From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 00:07:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117475 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 00:07:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949448048:11:27431:23; Tue, 01 Feb 2000 23:34:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028416; 1 Feb 2000 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00767 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:12:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00762 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:12:39 GMT Received: from stonar.demon.co.uk ([194.222.53.140]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12FmSy-000CSI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:12:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:10:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: mailmerge problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone please point me in the right direction? I have a well-used stylesheet which I know to be satisfactory. It consists of a set of 14 frames set out for standard laser labels, linked in order and forming an autolink series. I now have a CSV file of some 100 lines, with 5 fields per line. I need to mailmerge fields 1 and 5 only from each line on to successive labels. I put the tags [merge 1] and [merge 5] into the top left label and dragged the CSV file into the slot provided on the mailmerge dialogue box. All seems well at this point, but the results are erratic, with some blank pages and some with just one correct label top-left, and even one with the same label in 3 positions. I'm using version 2.52, which seems to have a more complex dialogue box than that shown in the manual. Does it matter that the CSV file does not in fact have "" around each text item? Any help would be appreciated. -- Martin Devon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 03:31:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117495 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 03:31:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949460854:20:26416:27; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 03:07:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104685; 2 Feb 2000 3:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01337 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:25:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01332 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:25:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12FpTv-0001PI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:25:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 01:41:14 GMT Message-Id: <117480@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: mailmerge problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a well-used stylesheet which I know to be satisfactory. It >consists of a set of 14 frames set out for standard laser labels, >linked in order and forming an autolink series. >I now have a CSV file of some 100 lines, with 5 fields per line. >I need to mailmerge fields 1 and 5 only from each line on to successive >labels. I put the tags [merge 1] and [merge 5] into the top left label and The trouble with this, is it doesn't sound as if it would work anyway. There are two techniques commonly used. One is to take the CSV file and turn it into a text file with the data from records separated by new frame codes, and pour it into a document like the one described above. This gets you the result you want, but doesn't involve mail merge. Plan B is described in the document on advanced mail merge techniques on my web site, here *all* the frames have mail merge tags in, and all but one have a field set up to skip a record. But you don't mention doing anything like this. >I'm using version 2.52 You can get 2.56 from the web site. >Does it matter that the CSV file does not in fact have "" around each >text item? No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 13:39:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117501 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 13:39:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949467259:11:18306:18; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 04:54:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009516; 2 Feb 2000 4:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA01610 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 04:22:52 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA01605 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 04:22:50 GMT Received: (qmail 23077 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2000 22:33:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.33) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 1 Feb 2000 22:33:10 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:22:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 30 Jan, Alfred Chamings wrote: > On Thu 27 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > In message > > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > > > On Sun 23 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > > > >> I've not tried the [!Ps2PDF] application, for the simple reason that > > >> I've never managed to persuade the command line version to do anything > > >> sensible. > > > > > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination > > > > I thought that's what we were discussing, or at least the GhostScript and > > ps2pdf parts of it (there's no mention of 'pdf' in the version of !PSUtils > > that I have here). It's certainly what I was discussing. > > > > > There is no need for command line stuff at all. > > > > But it *is* "command line stuff": ps2pdf is an alias which runs > > .bin.ps2pdf. > > > > > Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, > > > > If you mean !Ps2PDF (and I assume you do), the point I was making was that > > I've not tried it because I (mis?)understand that it's simply a front-end > > for the "command line stuff", and that doesn't work (on my system). > > > Yes, I understand it is a front end with a somewhat limited range of use of > GhostScript. I wonder why it doesn't work on your system. > > Being relatively inept at using the command line, I just found the !PS2PDF > front end very convenient. Having now also discovered !GView from the same > site as the Ghostscript files, I am now finding that quite useful too. > > The next thing which seems to be significant (and I have not fathomed yet) is > the matter of embedded fonts: how to embed them and what happens if you > don't, etc. Anyone know of an easy introduction to PostScript? > > Regards > Alf > When I used the standard Acorn Postscript printer definition file to pirnt a document with entirely EFF fonts (the LondonA family) they were included in the postscript file, and in the PDF when the postscript was run through !Ps2PDF. The files grew at each stage - OPro 81K, PS 797K, PDF 1.3M I haven't tried the command line of Ghostscript much, but what I have tried failed when GView displayed the file. Must be some parameters which Gview puts sensible defaults in but I missed entirely on the command line or something. Sorry, I cannot help with the easy intorduction. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 13:40:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117511 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 13:40:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949482115:10:22872:28; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:01:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023679; 2 Feb 2000 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02014 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:33:18 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02009 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:33:16 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.152] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12FvCe-0004Y3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:31:57 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:33:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:33:13 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF (was RTF) file output Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sun 30 Jan, Alfred Chamings wrote: > > On Thu 27 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > > In message > > > Alf Chamings wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun 23 Jan, Chris Manning wrote: > > > > > > >> I've not tried the [!Ps2PDF] application, for the simple reason that > > > >> I've never managed to persuade the command line version to do anything > > > >> sensible. > > > > > > > Have you tried the GhostScript, PSutils, PS2PDF combination > > > > > > I thought that's what we were discussing, or at least the GhostScript and > > > ps2pdf parts of it (there's no mention of 'pdf' in the version of !PSUtils > > > that I have here). It's certainly what I was discussing. > > > > > > > There is no need for command line stuff at all. > > > > > > But it *is* "command line stuff": ps2pdf is an alias which runs > > > .bin.ps2pdf. > > > > > > > Just make sure the filer has seen all the apps, load up ps2pdf, > > > > > > If you mean !Ps2PDF (and I assume you do), the point I was making was that > > > I've not tried it because I (mis?)understand that it's simply a front-end > > > for the "command line stuff", and that doesn't work (on my system). > > > > > Yes, I understand it is a front end with a somewhat limited range of use of > > GhostScript. I wonder why it doesn't work on your system. > > > > Being relatively inept at using the command line, I just found the !PS2PDF > > front end very convenient. Having now also discovered !GView from the same > > site as the Ghostscript files, I am now finding that quite useful too. > > > > The next thing which seems to be significant (and I have not fathomed yet) is > > the matter of embedded fonts: how to embed them and what happens if you > > don't, etc. Anyone know of an easy introduction to PostScript? > > > > Regards > > Alf > > > > When I used the standard Acorn Postscript printer definition file to pirnt a > document with entirely EFF fonts (the LondonA family) they were included in > the postscript file, and in the PDF when the postscript was run through > !Ps2PDF. The files grew at each stage - OPro 81K, PS 797K, PDF 1.3M I'm surprised about the last stage. A PDF file is usually significantly smaller than the PS file used to generate it - sometimes ten times smaller. If you do not have EFF's 'Publisher' version of LondonA font (i.e. the Postscript Type 1) then the font will be embedded as a Type 3 which I believe takes up much more filespace (I think its basically a hi res bitmap version of the font). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 13:40:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117513 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 13:40:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949491594:20:11130:26; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:39:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009880; 2 Feb 2000 11:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02338 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:10:29 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02333 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:10:27 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 654C59B27 for ; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.1 [Linux/i386]); Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:01:02 GMT X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:02:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: mailmerge problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <117480@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 02 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >I have a well-used stylesheet which I know to be satisfactory. It > >consists of a set of 14 frames set out for standard laser labels, > >linked in order and forming an autolink series. > >I now have a CSV file of some 100 lines, with 5 fields per line. > >I need to mailmerge fields 1 and 5 only from each line on to successive > >labels. I put the tags [merge 1] and [merge 5] into the top left label and > > The trouble with this, is it doesn't sound as if it would work anyway. > > There are two techniques commonly used. One is to take the CSV file > and turn it into a text file with the data from records separated > by new frame codes, and pour it into a document like the one described > above. This gets you the result you want, but doesn't involve mail merge. > Ah, that's exactly how I would wish to do it. The reservation I have, though, is whether hacking the file is exactly what one of the examination boards had in mind in setting the task! BTW, does David not sleep? I sent the original at almost midnight yesterday and I see the reply is timed 1:41. Thank anyway, Martin Devon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 17:59:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117551 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 17:59:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949510319:10:19823:84; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:51:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104365; 2 Feb 2000 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02902 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:43:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02897 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:43:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12G1w5-000Ay0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:43:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 15:35:59 GMT Message-Id: <117547@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: mailmerge problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Ah, that's exactly how I would wish to do it. The reservation I have, though, >is whether hacking the file is exactly what one of the examination boards >had in mind in setting the task! I see, independent thinkers need not apply for this qualification. Interesting that using MS products is almost a requirement these days for certain educational standards, or at least it appears that way. I think the better way is the one outlined in the mail merge document on the web site. But OTOH Bernard Veasy has a small program that will do the transformation from CSV format for you. So, to pass the exam, how do I have to solve the problem? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 18:43:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117577 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 18:43:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949515995:10:13136:26; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:26:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003921; 2 Feb 2000 18:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03210 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:31:30 GMT Received: from cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.175]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03205 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:31:29 GMT Received: from modem-225.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.21.225] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12G3cD-0001FZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 17:30:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 19:57:42 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing & Delirium Message-ID: <3f59ac8949%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <117242@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) was let out long enough to write: > > >I have recently (this limits it to RPC/R04/OvProV12.56/PrintersV1.62) > >noticed that if the delirium screen saver kicks in during the printing > >process it really messes up. > > Depends how it works. If it is on desktop polling, configuring > background mode (print choices) might be the way to stop it going off. > > You could set up OP print events to wiggle something that looks like > user activity (robot arm), or maybe to switch the saver on/off if > it has *commands to do this. > I could use *Delirium_Disable and *Delirium_Disable but how could I get these called at the start and end of the print? Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>I am not afraid of tomorrow, for I have seen yesterday and I love today. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 20:31:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117595 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 20:31:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949519405:20:14285:28; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 19:23:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013870; 2 Feb 2000 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03521 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:54:52 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03516 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:54:50 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 328289B20 for ; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:54:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.1 [Linux/i386]); Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:12:18 GMT X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:13:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: mailmerge problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <117547@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 02 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > >Ah, that's exactly how I would wish to do it. The reservation I have, though, > >is whether hacking the file is exactly what one of the examination boards > >had in mind in setting the task! > > I see, independent thinkers need not apply for this qualification. Well, it may seem so at first sight, but I do detect a considerable backlash starting. > > Interesting that using MS products is almost a requirement these days for > certain educational standards, or at least it appears that way. There is a definite feeling that while superficially flashy presentations have increased in the last 2 or 3 years the level of underlying understanding has fallen considerably, directly paralleling the rise of Windows in schools. A few erstwhile Acorn places known to me have jumped ship, or more likely been forced to, and all now deeply regret it. MS is lovely for 'edutainment', but it's interesting how quickly the users can get the machine to supply the right answer, while the question bypasses the brain altogether. O-Pro is a superb, fast, efficient and instinctive piece of software provided you can read and understand long, hard words like 'leading'. It has proved this year to be far more effective at DTP-type coursework than Word. In fact at moderation meetings others have been quite sniffy about the *precision* of our work and the ease with which it was produced. I say this is not an office and we are not in the business of producing hordes of little typists. The boards are actually at great pains to avoid bias of any kind and it will interest readers here that the Chief Examiner in IT for the AQA board is a RiscOS man. I quote: 'the software can come from outer space so long as it works and you explain what you are doing'. A rather different view from the common perception, perhaps. Our results are as good as anywhere and there's not a PC in sight, other than a handful of private portables which are a confounded nuisance and have a breakage rate of 50% p.a. > > I think the better way is the one outlined in the mail merge document > on the web site. I'll have a look. > > But OTOH Bernard Veasy has a small program that will do the transformation from CSV > format for you. In truth, I have one of my own writing, but it makes things just that bit too simple- after all, if there's nothing to do, there's no write-up and hence no marks! No, in this case I'm going to put the CSV file into Fireworkz, delete columns 2 3 and 4, save as text, use !Edit to change 0A to 0C, 09 to OA (they're supposed to know all about ASCII) and drop it into OPro- and argue the toss later if need be, but somehow I don't think I shall have to:-) > > So, to pass the exam, how do I have to solve the problem? Well, depends how long you want to spend on it. Try taking the CSV file into DataPower, and setting up a multi-card report... Sorry, this seems to be leading into an altogether different discussion group. I need a drink. Martin Devon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 20:32:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117605 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 20:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949520734:10:11922:17; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 19:45:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011898; 2 Feb 2000 19:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03591 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:16:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03586 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:16:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12G5G1-000N0U-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:16:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 19:02:15 GMT Message-Id: <117587@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing & Delirium X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >I could use *Delirium_Disable and *Delirium_Disable but how could I >get these called at the start and end of the print? Oh, easy you make use of 'events' which can be used to call code. The attached cut out and save script file shows how. Settype it to B24 and put in !OvnPro.Library (and remember its there). --------------------------------------8<-------------------------------------------- void delerium_prstart(int user, int view) { osclis("Delirium_Disable"); } void delerium_prend(int user, int view) { osclis("Delirium_Enable"); } void main(void) { addeventhandler(0x10C,0,"delerium_prstart"); addeventhandler(0x10D,0,"delerium_prend"); } --------------------------------------8<-------------------------------------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 2 21:49:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117633 for opro ; Wed, 02 Feb 100 21:49:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949523671:20:09812:29; Wed, 02 Feb 2000 20:34:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009139; 2 Feb 2000 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03871 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:06:08 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03866 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:06:06 GMT Received: (qmail 20867 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2000 20:04:25 -0000 Received: from userbp87.uk.uudial.com (HELO userbp87) (62.188.146.82) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2000 20:04:25 -0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:06:17 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Bar Sprites Message-ID: <60ff1a8a49.Steve@ukgateway.net> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Steve Harratt wrote: > Hello All > > I am sure that this question has been asked in the past, but I cannot > find anything in relation to it. > > Basically I have just put a new aplet into OP 2.56, which as far as I > can see from the use I actually give it works Ok. > > However the sprite does not show in the Macros window or on the toolbar > at the top of my OP page. There is one in the applet file. > > I have found other applets that do not seem to get there icons > displayed. > > Can anyone suggest what might be wrong, and what if anything can be done > to overcome this problem. > > Thanks in advance. > > Cheers > > Steve > Hi To give an example, the Applet Join Line does not display its sprite. (Well it doesnt for me anyway) Cheers Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 3 02:42:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117703 for opro ; Thu, 03 Feb 100 02:42:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949543701:11:23997:19; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 02:08:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022700; 3 Feb 2000 2:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA04665 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:51:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04660 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:51:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GBQ4-0009hf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 01:50:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:01:44 GMT Message-Id: <117671@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Bar Sprites X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >To give an example, the Applet Join Line does not display its sprite. >(Well it doesnt for me anyway) It does for me, but, the join line applet is a very special case, because as was discussed here some weeks back, its sprite is being distributed in another applet (mistakenly). I've got the fixed version... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 3 13:20:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117709 for opro ; Thu, 03 Feb 100 13:20:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949551913:20:07740:18; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 04:25:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007725; 3 Feb 2000 4:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04929 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 03:46:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04924 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 03:46:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GDDG-0007Qr-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 03:45:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 03:13:31 GMT Message-Id: <117706@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: mailmerge problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >MS is lovely for 'edutainment', but it's interesting how quickly the users >can get the machine to supply the right answer, while the question bypasses >the brain altogether. Isn't that good software that requires no thought from the user? >It has proved this year to be far more effective at DTP-type coursework >than Word. Many professionals would be (are in fact) horrified at people using Word for DTP. Quark might be another story. >I say this is not an office and we are not in the business of producing hordes >of little typists. But once (when I was at secondary school) there was always a room of 40 girls doing synchronised typing to music. >The boards are actually at great pains to avoid bias of any kind and it will interest >readers here that the Chief Examiner in IT for the AQA board is a RiscOS man. All this is relevant because Bill Gates promised today to buy every kid in the UK a portable computer (effectively a Win box). But you're quite right its the idea that counts not the hardware/software. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 3 13:26:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117719 for opro ; Thu, 03 Feb 100 13:26:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949579829:20:25511:35; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:10:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025079; 3 Feb 2000 12:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05644 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:22:06 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05639 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:22:04 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 50C289B46 for ; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 11:21:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.1 [Linux/i386]); Thu, 03 Feb 2000 10:58:21 GMT X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 11:00:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: mailmerge problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <117706@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >MS is lovely for 'edutainment', but it's interesting how quickly the users > >can get the machine to supply the right answer, while the question bypasses > >the brain altogether. > > Isn't that good software that requires no thought from the user? I hope not, indeed, in an educational context :-) > > > >It has proved this year to be far more effective at DTP-type coursework > >than Word. > > Many professionals would be (are in fact) horrified at people using Word for > DTP. Quark might be another story. And the fact is, the project work set by AQA for one of this year's tasks was simple and straightforward in O-Pro and extremely difficult in Word if not well- nigh impossible - in fact I've not seen it done properly that way at all. > > > >I say this is not an office and we are not in the business of producing hordes > >of little typists. > > But once (when I was at secondary school) there was always a room of 40 girls > doing synchronised typing to music. Hmm, you are showing your age :-) > > > >The boards are actually at great pains to avoid bias of any kind and it will interest > >readers here that the Chief Examiner in IT for the AQA board is a RiscOS man. > > All this is relevant because Bill Gates promised today to buy every kid > in the UK a portable computer (effectively a Win box). > It will be a recipe for chaos and if our breakage rate is a guide, they will all be binned within about 18 months. My predecessor encouraged the use of MS stuff in an effort to discredit the RiscPCs. He failed to achieve this. What has happened is that there are a lot of PCs at home abandoned to games and perhaps a bit of basic word processing, while the real work is done at school on the RiscPCs. We are perhaps fortunate in having enough fully developed new SA machines to satisfy demand. If anyone wants to quote a highly successful nil-PC site, do contact me. Just a p.s. to wind this up- I shall not in fact use the rather convoluted method I mentioned yesterday. Thanks to David for mentioning Bernard Veasey's !CSVEdit, to Roger King for detailing its advantages and of course to Bernard for writing it. It is far superior to my own poor effort and that's what we are all going to use. Regards to all -- Martin Devon Stonar School Wiltshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 3 23:01:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117837 for opro ; Thu, 03 Feb 100 23:01:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949616976:20:14196:20; Thu, 03 Feb 2000 22:29:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013493; 3 Feb 2000 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13933 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:58:19 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.104]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13928 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:58:18 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.16.250]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:57:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 15:12:29 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font scan? Message-ID: <498A1612A0%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <117240@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <117240@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > OPro saves the absolute name of the font i.e. the directories which > appear on disc, but it uses the 'alias' on menus. I know that's how it works, although I'm not convinced that it's sensible. Too late to change it now, of course. > it still would be a solution to the original problem. I *thought* the original problem was that I have a document which requires Frutiger.Black, that I have a font with the local name Frutiger.Black, but that OPro, in it's infinite wisdom, decides that what I really want is Trinity.SomethingLessThanBlack. Maybe I wasn't paying attention. ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 01:53:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117852 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 01:53:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949625645:10:04416:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 00:54:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120299; 4 Feb 2000 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14237 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:08:12 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14232 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:08:10 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id AAA27747 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:23:45 +0100 (MET) Received: from Polen.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m12GNo9-000fD7C; Thu, 3 Feb 100 16:04 MET Message-ID: <3899A428.D2E@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 16:52:08 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Searching/finding spaces References: <497a3d41bfdelink@news.wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Did I simply overlook it in the manual? I just scanned a text and reformatted it to full page width with !JoinLines (works a treat!). This did, however, give me lots of lines like "...the out- ward movement..."; I had to replace the "- " by hand, because I couldn't find out what to type into the Find box to represent the spaces. Impression-like {\..} disn't work. Cheers, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 03:19:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117871 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 03:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949634391:20:08484:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 03:19:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110530; 4 Feb 2000 3:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14598 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:50:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14593 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:50:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GYpf-000BDC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:50:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 01:57:43 GMT Message-Id: <117855@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Searching/finding spaces X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This did, however, give me lots of lines like "...the out- ward >movement..."; I had to replace the "- " by hand, because I couldn't find >out what to type into the Find box to represent the spaces. >Impression-like {\..} disn't work. Sorry what do you want to match? A single space or some smart wildcard that will match many of them? You can find/replace - by entering just that as the string. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 03:19:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117870 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 03:19:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949633694:10:02513:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 03:08:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002454; 4 Feb 2000 3:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA14605 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:50:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA14600 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:50:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GYph-000BDC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 02:50:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 01:59:51 GMT Message-Id: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip First some *warnings*. Any documented created or edited in 2.57 cannot be loaded into older versions of the program. There's no big change in file format, I've simply increased the file compatability level from 1 to 2 (byte no. 88 in the file if anyone wants to change it back). Strictly speaking this should have been done when new features like proxy pictures came in. I didn't enforce those because they are not easy to use by accident. One new feature in 2.57 is easy to use without realising - individual leaders for tabs. The point is though that once you've used 2.57 on your documents you'll not be able to use them on older versions or pass them on to others who don't have 2.57. Second there are lots of new features and bug fixes, it may well be that some of them cause serious problems, and of course you can't go back to 2.56. So this version is a test run, only brave pioneers should get involved in trying it. 2.57 needs a new colour supplement and a new fill applet, and both these are in the upgrade archive. The archive will only upgrade 2.52 to 2.57. If this version is OK, the other variants will follow shortly. New features include *Multiple clip boards *Copy and Paste chapters *Individual leader strings and decimal tab characters for tabs *Set screen for fills *Enhancements to the text base line grid *Support for Impression style cross hairs when dragging *Save user defined styles as text *Extended button macros *Numerous bug fixes, including the one that leads to corrupt dictionaries. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 13:46:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117884 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 13:46:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949659015:10:19444:18; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:10:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106631; 4 Feb 2000 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15353 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:36:05 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15348 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:36:03 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Gf9m-000PSB-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:36:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 09:36:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip OK, i have installed this over over 2.52 and I have remembered to drag the OvPro app with force on. However I do get the error message 'Menu does not exist' while the app is loading. What have I done wrong? > *Multiple clip boards I have enable multiple clipboards but I cannot work out how to use them. Can anyone out there put an old man out of his misery? In hope, Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 13:46:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117889 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 13:46:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949661639:10:08752:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 10:53:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008166; 4 Feb 2000 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15519 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:37:35 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15514 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:37:33 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip43 [129.69.189.43]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id LAA27737 for In-Reply-To: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip Thanks a lot! It worked - as usual - first time! :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * * * * ADVERTISING SPACE FOR HIRE * * * -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 13:46:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117890 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 13:46:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949664034:20:01355:142; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121909; 4 Feb 2000 11:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15842 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:17:56 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15837 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:17:54 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FPE00E4ZKPT7K@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:17:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:19:09 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 In-reply-to: <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Ian Lowry wrote: > In article <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > > OK, i have installed this over over 2.52 and I have remembered to drag the > OvPro app with force on. However I do get the error message 'Menu does not > exist' while the app is loading. > > What have I done wrong? I've traced the problem to the !NewFrame applet. Don't know what's wrong but without that applet everything goes well. grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 13:46:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117891 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 13:46:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949662610:10:06942:21; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:10:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115693; 4 Feb 2000 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15648 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:55:08 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15643 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:55:06 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FPE0080EJNTRN@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:55:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:56:52 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 In-reply-to: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <6657068b49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > > First some *warnings*. Any documented created or edited in 2.57 cannot be > loaded into older versions of the program. Just curious: Is it also not possible to make a 2.57->lower filter using DLL? If not, never mind. Thanks for the upgrade -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 13:46:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117892 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 13:46:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949664297:20:08071:59; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:38:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009848; 4 Feb 2000 11:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15744 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:09:37 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15739 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:09:36 GMT Received: from riscpc (sottens-17.s210.WAU.NL [137.224.210.17]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FPE00P39KBZ70@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:09:35 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:10:54 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 In-reply-to: <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <78a0078b49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Ian Lowry wrote: > In article <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > > OK, i have installed this over over 2.52 and I have remembered to drag the > OvPro app with force on. However I do get the error message 'Menu does not > exist' while the app is loading. > > What have I done wrong? > Nope, same here. I've installed the upgrade and run the program, and there was no error. Then i put my dictonaries, default page applets in the new version and the same error arrived, now trying to find if it was an applet. grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 13:46:26 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117893 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 13:46:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949663422:10:28926:19; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:23:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027070; 4 Feb 2000 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15621 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:53:46 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15615 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:53:44 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.56]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4A6A for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:45:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 11:44:48 +0100 Subject: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <498b053cdadelink@wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Very, VERY glad with this new version. Especially with the screen option for graduate fills! One tiny little niggle, perhaps, when starting up: an error box occurs, saying: Menu does not exist. How can this be avoided? Thanks again! Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 15:44:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117918 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 15:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949676518:20:27857:103; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029907; 4 Feb 2000 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16410 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:01:27 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16405 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:01:25 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GjIZ-000FCe-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:01:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:02:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <498b17509eian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <498afefcd5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> > Ian Lowry wrote: > > In article <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > > > > OK, i have installed this over over 2.52 and I have remembered to drag > > the OvPro app with force on. However I do get the error message 'Menu > > does not exist' while the app is loading. > > > > What have I done wrong? > I've traced the problem to the !NewFrame applet. Don't know what's wrong > but without that applet everything goes well. Thanks for discovering that! Perhaps i can reciprocate by saying that everything now works fine with the latest version (1.01) of Newframe from the OvPro Resources site at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html Hope that helps, Ian -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 15:45:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117922 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 15:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949678441:10:08118:46; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 15:34:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129974; 4 Feb 2000 15:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16544 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:56:51 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16539 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:56:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GkAC-000Kfz-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:56:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 13:52:44 GMT Message-Id: <117899@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> OK, i have installed this over over 2.52 and I have remembered to drag the >> OvPro app with force on. However I do get the error message 'Menu does not >> exist' while the app is loading. >I've traced the problem to the !NewFrame applet. Don't know what's wrong but >without that applet everything goes well. You may recall some discussion about a bug in one version of the NewFrame applet. Older versions of OPro just allowed it to poke random bits of memory, which would only sometimes result in a fatal crash. 2.57 traps the illegal attempts - hence the error message. A new version of the applet is available from the support site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 19:16:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117951 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 19:16:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949691874:10:17434:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:17:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017240; 4 Feb 2000 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17071 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:01:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17066 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:01:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GnzM-000ESH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:01:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:44:52 GMT Message-Id: <117934@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just curious: Is it also not possible to make a 2.57->lower filter using DLL? Saving as DDL and reloading will probably do this as long as no new features are used. And you could soon hack out the new bits with a text editor. But given everyone will soon be able to have 2.57 there's not much point programming something. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 20:40:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117953 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 20:40:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949692693:11:12710:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 19:31:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112527; 4 Feb 2000 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17078 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:01:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17073 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:01:58 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GnzN-000ESH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:01:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:47:28 GMT Message-Id: <117936@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have enable multiple clipboards but I cannot work out how to use them. >Can anyone out there put an old man out of his misery? The NewDocs.New257 file gives you some macros for using them. After that its really up to you to decide how you'd like them to work. I suspect that most naive users can ignore them, power editors may find them useful. I'll give an example of a problem I had at Christmas - I needed to copy the text from 24 small frames into a text story. So I set up a key macro which selected all the text in the current story, copied it to a clip board and stepped to the next clip board. That meant I could just click to position the caret and press the key 24 times. I then set up another macro to paste and step clipboard. Position the caret in the destination, and execute that macro 24 times and the job was done. This way of working makes the clipboards act like a stack, which you push things on to (copy) and then pop from (paste). The 'bigcopy' and 'bigpaste' macros mentioned above implement it. Another approach is to set up buttons to move through the clipboards and with the clipboard on view move to the one you're interested in and then paste from it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 22:00:49 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117980 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 22:00:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949699774:10:25623:20; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:29:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104222; 4 Feb 2000 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17498 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:00:18 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17493 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:00:16 GMT Received: (qmail 20514 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 19:10:25 -0000 Received: from userae79.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.131.221) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 19:10:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 18:59:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Version 2.57 Message-ID: <498b3291d3dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Thanks for version 2.57, the upgrade went without hitch. Excellent additions all... Crosshairs, one of the things I have missed after moving from Publisher to OvPro in 1998. Copying chapters... I'm overjoyed... absolutely wonderful. Multiple clipboards... I've run out of superlatives, but if I can ever manage to sus out how to do it... great... what I've always wanted. So I've set Clipboards to 2 in Choices... now what? Or to put it another way how do I get to use these two clipboards? That aside... Thanks for the upgrade Cheers Dave Symes -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 4 22:00:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117981 for opro ; Fri, 04 Feb 100 22:00:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949701408:10:04742:17; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 21:56:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112919; 4 Feb 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17549 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:09:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17544 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:09:04 GMT Received: from (194.69.104.132) [194.69.104.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12GpyP-0003mc-00; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:09:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:02:15 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 4 Feb 2000 (01:59:51), OPro wrote: > OvationPro 2.57 is now available Thank you! 'Swunnerful - but oh, (gasping for breath), us poor 4Mb fools... even with interactive help and half my applets disabled it's near 2Mb on loading... (snip many more 'swunnerful features) > New features include > >*Multiple clipboards This is truly the icing on the cake. I've adopted the suggested macros appropriate to this, and they work *brilliantly*, but is there any significant penalty in having them without the 'if... else bbc_vdu7' construction of the original clipboard macros? On a totally unrelated note - Is there any way to get the !HideDoc applet to have one of my own master documents as a default instead of an (empty) document called 'PictureCache' which seems always to be there? Keeping backups of 2.56 and my documents for a while... :) Thank you again though! Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 01:43:28 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117994 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 01:43:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949708136:20:19166:21; Fri, 04 Feb 2000 23:48:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2126322; 4 Feb 2000 23:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA17920 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:19:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17915 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:19:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Gs0c-0008QX-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:19:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 22:07:08 GMT Message-Id: <117987@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >but is there any significant penalty in having them without the 'if... >else bbc_vdu7' construction of the original clipboard macros? If thats how you want to use them (i.e. as buttons), they'd be better setting up like that with vdu7 (beep). I suppose you'd just replace copyselection(); with {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()+1)}","");copyselection();} in the existing button macro, and similar for paste. >On a totally unrelated note - Is there any way to get the !HideDoc applet to >have one of my own master documents as a default instead of an (empty) document >called 'PictureCache' which seems always to be there? This is also covered in the fine print with 2.57. OPro has various internal documents which should be invisible to users, but aren't always. There's a new HideDoc which makes use of a new 2.57 feature to fix this. But I can't stick it on the site until everything goes 2.57. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 01:43:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA117996 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 01:43:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949712115:20:29990:63; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:55:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117832; 5 Feb 2000 0:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18159 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:37:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18154 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:37:58 GMT Received: from orphean-press.demon.co.uk ([193.237.242.97] helo=193.237.242.97) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GtEW-000956-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 00:37:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "P. C. Newble" To: Ovation Pro mailing list Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:34:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Tab leadering strings Message-ID: <498b512d2bP.C.Newble@orphean-press.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've successfully upgraded to v2.57. The new facility to have a different leadering string for each tab in a ruler is excellent - previously, both in Ovation Pro and Impression, I've had to change ruler styles several times within each line of a table to achieve this - but Ovation Pro still seems to limit the length of each leadering string to 3 characters. I therefore can't use " .. " as I do with Impression. Is there a fundamental reason for this, or could the restriction be lifted? Peter Newble. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 13:30:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118005 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 13:30:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949723444:20:18235:46; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 04:04:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017940; 5 Feb 2000 4:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18664 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 03:29:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18659 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 03:29:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12GvuW-000P3Z-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 03:29:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:51:25 GMT Message-Id: <118001@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab leadering strings X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >- but Ovation Pro still seems to limit the length of each leadering >string to 3 characters. I therefore can't use " .. " as I do with >Impression. Is there a fundamental reason for this, or could the >restriction be lifted? Its unlikely to be lifted soon. Well it depends on the demand. A length of 3 fitted in easily. Perhaps you could use something like the ellipsis character to get the effect. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 13:30:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118007 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 13:30:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949733156:20:11232:40; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:45:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126950; 5 Feb 2000 6:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18986 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:11:44 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18979 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:11:40 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.241.78]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 14:51:41 +1030 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 14:50:24 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Not enough memory for C library To: Ovation Pro maillist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Not enough memory for C library ------------------------------- I have just had my first upgrade problem with OvPro. After upgrading from 2.52 to 2.57 following the usual procedure to the letter and trying to load Ovation Pro I get the error message: Not enough memory for C library a couple of seconds after the appearance of the banner. So I loaded a fresh 2.52 from the discs and tried again. Same error. Never had this problem before. Have used Ovation/Ovation Pro since the very first. What am I doing wrong? Any ideas? Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 13:30:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118009 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 13:30:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949733443:20:26028:19; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 06:50:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025476; 5 Feb 2000 6:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA18981 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:11:40 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA18975 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 06:11:37 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.243.18]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 16:41:31 +1030 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:40:13 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Not enough memory for C library To: Ovation Pro maillist Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Not enough memory for C library ------------------------------- Part 2 Problem solved. I think. Going back to the original discs and leaving out all applets I have now avoided the 'Not enough memory for C library' problem. OvPro loads and works well. Even after adding the Applets from 2.56. I seem to remember I had to check all applets from 2.52 and discard a couple when upgrading 252>256. I should have remembered. Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 13:30:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118010 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 13:30:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949740450:10:09419:19; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:47:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009324; 5 Feb 2000 8:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19465 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:19:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA19460 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:19:08 GMT Received: from (62.188.146.121) [62.188.146.121] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12H0Qr-0003c2-00; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:19:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ~Ovation Pro ctrb Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 08:16:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Entries to Search and Replace via a Macro? Message-ID: <498b7b78a7badger.set@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hallo all, Another couple of 'I'd like the computer to make my life easier' questions! I have to do regular Find and Replace operations which involve replacing a character with one of several different long text strings. Is there a way of scripting these as different Macros? I've tried Recording, but nothing happens in the new Macro's script box. I can see how to open the Find and Replace window with a Macro, but not how to persuade text into either the Find or the Replace boxes and then run the replace operation. Is there a way of setting the Find and Replace window so that it defaults to Case Sensitive being on? Thanks -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 13:30:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118011 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 13:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949736785:20:18273:19; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 07:46:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018243; 5 Feb 2000 7:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA19289 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:30:03 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (IDENT:root@skua.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19284 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:30:01 GMT Received: from fayqxodp (dip-01-054.poptel.org.uk [195.224.30.54]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0/DA98072301) with ESMTP id HAA18638 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:31:38 GMT Message-ID: <000b01bf6faa$cf5d87c0$361ee0c3@fayqxodp> From: "Colin Beswick" To: References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 07:28:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 01:59 Subject: OvationPro 2.57 > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > I have attempted to upgrade from 2.52 to 2.57 from the above site. Dragging 2.52 onto upgrade patch records upgrade is successful but once I drag new Ovation Pro from the archive onto the upgraded version and try to run the program I receive a "String is not compatible with integer message." I have followed all instructions carefully; I think! Previous upgrades have always worked well due to clear instructions. Have downloaded upgrade twice just in case but have same result. Any help suggestions gratefully received. Whatever silly thing I am doing is now embedded into my brain and being constantly repeated. Archive is unpacked before any attempt to upgrade. Thanks Colin Beswick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 16:18:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118120 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 16:18:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949764586:20:27996:19; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:29:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027892; 5 Feb 2000 15:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20133 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20121 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12H6rk-00056q-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 14:59:47 GMT Message-Id: <118110@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >"String is not compatible with integer message." Is that exactly the message? doesn't sound like one of mine. Could it be a RISC OS error... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 16:18:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118121 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 16:18:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949765384:20:09536:26; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121055; 5 Feb 2000 15:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20135 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20128 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12H6rl-00056q-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:01:29 GMT Message-Id: <118112@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Entries to Search and Replace via a Macro? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a way of scripting these as different Macros? I suggest looking at the 'fluff' applet. >Is there a way of setting the Find and Replace window so that it defaults >to Case Sensitive being on? I think not. Its a fuzzy area, because on the old Ovation these settings were saved in documents. I *think* they're just left uninitialised in OPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 16:18:49 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118122 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 16:18:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949765556:20:12301:20; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 15:45:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126397; 5 Feb 2000 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA20125 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA20116 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12H6rj-00056q-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 15:11:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 14:57:59 GMT Message-Id: <118108@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not enough memory for C library X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >After upgrading from 2.52 to 2.57 following the usual procedure to the >letter and trying to load Ovation Pro I get the error message: >Not enough memory for C library I had a few people report this, and they've all turned out to be due to having the 'newer' copy option flag selected. I guess thereby not updating !Run and so ending up running with too small a wimp slot. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 5 17:06:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118134 for opro ; Sat, 05 Feb 100 17:06:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949770129:20:22013:20; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:02:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021952; 5 Feb 2000 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20514 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:20:30 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20509 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:20:28 GMT Received: (qmail 9204 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2000 16:20:27 -0000 Received: from userb031.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.71.14) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2000 16:20:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 16:19:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498ba7bf14dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Okay, enough is enough... I've just spent in excess of three hours trying to get this multiple clipboard business to work. I've produced a lot of nothing happening, interrupted with lots of error messages, but the end result is still nothing. Yes I've read and re-read the notes that came with the upgrade, yes I've been following the postings. Nothing in the notes produces anything tangible... well a load of error messages..."Error: Needed ';' got '}' at line 1 in Macro", and such like. Loada bollox... I've copied every last character as written in the postings, and checked and rechecked. Any kind person lead me by the nose through this please, as multiple clipboards has been one of my long time wants. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:46:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118142 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:46:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949778145:20:02645:19; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002628; 5 Feb 2000 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21022 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:47:34 GMT Received: from smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (IDENT:root@skua.poptel.org.uk [195.224.16.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21017 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:47:33 GMT Received: from fayqxodp (dip-01-052.poptel.org.uk [195.224.30.52]) by smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0/DA98072301) with ESMTP id SAA25744 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:49:10 GMT Message-ID: <008701bf7009$73ea1340$341ee0c3@fayqxodp> From: "Colin Beswick" To: References: <118110@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 18:46:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pilling" To: Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 02:59 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 > > >"String is not compatible with integer message." > > Is that exactly the message? doesn't sound like one of mine. > Could it be a RISC OS error... > Sorry no It was "String is not convertible to integer". However I solved the problem. The last line of the boot file had acquired some extra characters. Once I tidied this up the problem disappeared and the upgrade was fine. Having deleted the offending characters I cant remember exactly what they were but [0d] appeared a couple of times in it. Is this a carriage return? Thanks for the reply. However all is well now. Colin Beswick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:46:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118143 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:46:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949771608:10:09392:17; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:26:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009361; 5 Feb 2000 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20721 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:12:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20716 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:12:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12H8kp-0001SW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 17:12:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 17:08:19 GMT Message-Id: <118138@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >multiple clipboards has been one of my long time wants. So how did you want/expect them to work? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:46:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118144 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:46:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949786061:20:01305:27; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:27:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000396; 5 Feb 2000 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21434 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:58:45 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21429 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:58:44 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.167] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12HCH8-0006bh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:57:51 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:52:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:52:29 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Spot colour in 2.57 Message-ID: <6fb5c08b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498b3291d3dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, I have upgraded to 2.57 without problems and have been playing with some of the new stuff. Many thanks for bringing out an update so promptly with chapter copy, and, of course, the ability to export a list of style specs which will be most very useful to us. One glitch which hit me tonight is that I seem to be losing spot colours in Artworks files again (the 'Use spot colours' option is not giving me the colour defined in the OvPro file). Is this me or has something changed with the new Artworks applet? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:46:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118147 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:46:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949782813:10:20235:17; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 20:33:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020138; 5 Feb 2000 20:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21301 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:18:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21296 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:18:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.50) [193.149.77.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HBez-0002SV-00; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:18:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:09:38 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA21297 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB21301 On Sat 5 Feb 2000 (16:19:50 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > trying to get this multiple clipboard business to work. (Snip) > Any kind person lead me by the nose through this please, As a non-programmer but enthusiastic 'get it to work'er, and after seekin= g DP's help, can I offer the following; 1) Decide if you want the old button bar buttons to have the new function= s, or a new set; if a new set: a) design 4 new button sprites (look in !O= vnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22) and give them names like 'nextclip', 'prev= clip', 'bigcopy', 'bigpaste'; b) decide if you want new keystrokes, and i= f so, which key combination you want (Beware Clashes with existing keystr= okes!!!) !! Quit and re-run OPro or the new Button Sprites will not be registered = !! 2)Open the macro window (Menu-Misc-Macros, or Ctrl-Adjust click on any Bu= tton Bar button) 3) Select 'Button', Click on 'New' 4) (EXAMPLE 1) Call the macro 'nextclip'; attach the sprite 'nextclip' t= o it, and when the new blank macro field is presented to you insert the = macros {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()+1)} or for 'prevclip', {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()-1)} Note: NO double quotes For the 'bigcopy' and 'big paste' macros, the actual form should be as: {nextclip}{if (cancopy()) copyselection(); else bbc_vdu(7)} {if(cliptype()>=3D0) pasteselection(); else bbc_vdu(7)}{nextclip} (The braces (curly brackets) need to be as above or you may get an error = message about the 'nextclip' function) 5) Select 'Key' in the macro window 6)=A0Repeat the above macro definitions, putting in your chosen keystroke= s. Click on the button on the right of each button definition to put it into= the button bar (and similarly disable the original copy and paste button= s if you so wish) and Ctrl-Select-Drag the buttons to where you want them In IconBar Menu - Choices - General - Clipboards write the no. of clipboa= rds you want and either click or (if you want your setting to= be kept across every loading of OPro). If you only have one clipboard, y= our new macros will still work Now when you press Ctrl-B to open the clipboard, your new 'nextclip' and = 'prevclip' macro buttons and keystrokes should cycle through each clipboa= rd, and your new copy and paste ditto should advance to the next clipboar= d before performing its action. I've left my original Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V keystrokes with their original f= unctions (you'll see why you might need to after you've used the new syst= em for a while) Hope this helps ColinC --=20 _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:47:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118155 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:47:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949785291:10:00154:17; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 21:14:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120239; 5 Feb 2000 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA21448 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:59:17 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21443 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:59:16 GMT Received: from i.buchanan.which.net ([194.168.102.67]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA527 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 21:00:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 20:48:10 +0000 (GMT) From: i.buchanan@which.net Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <118138@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Where do we find Ovation Pro version 2.57 please. It does not seem to be available at the upgrade site where the latest version is 2.56. Thanks, Ian On Sat 05 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > >multiple clipboards has been one of my long time wants. > > So how did you want/expect them to work? > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- General remote signature -Ian Buchanan at Which.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:48:06 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118192 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:48:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949792950:20:12925:19; Sat, 05 Feb 2000 23:22:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012337; 5 Feb 2000 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA21891 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:51:46 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21886 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:51:44 GMT Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HE3J-0009oQ-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:51:41 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 16:44:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: Not enough memory for C library To: OvationPro list In-Reply-To: <118108@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 05 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > >After upgrading from 2.52 to 2.57 following the usual procedure to the > >letter and trying to load Ovation Pro I get the error message: > >Not enough memory for C library > > > I had a few people report this, and they've all turned out to be due > to having the 'newer' copy option flag selected. I guess thereby not > updating !Run and so ending up running with too small a wimp slot. > > What you really mean is due to not reading the instructions. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:48:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118194 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:48:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949831392:20:06084:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:03:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006079; 6 Feb 2000 10:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22968 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:40:27 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22961 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:40:24 GMT Received: (qmail 29216 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 09:40:23 -0000 Received: from userm158.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.77.208) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 09:40:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:39:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498c06effddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <118138@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <118138@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <118138@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >multiple clipboards has been one of my long time wants. > So how did you want/expect them to work? > David Pilling Hi David, Well as you've asked. ;-) I would like... When I click on the Toolbar Clipboard icon the number of clipboards I have configured/in use, would present themselves, I would click in the one I want to use... it could then be pasted in (Ctrl-V)... click in the next clipboard and *it* could be pasted in... and so on. That's all Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:48:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118196 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:48:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949831779:20:10179:24; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:09:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118596; 6 Feb 2000 10:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22965 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:40:25 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA22956 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 09:40:23 GMT Received: (qmail 29214 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 09:40:21 -0000 Received: from userm158.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.77.208) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 09:40:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498c0635a2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Carnegie wrote: > On Sat 5 Feb 2000 (16:19:50 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > > trying to get this multiple clipboard business to work. > (Snip) > > Any kind person lead me by the nose through this please, > As a non-programmer but enthusiastic 'get it to work'er, and after > seeking DP's help, can I offer the following; [Snip] > Hope this helps > ColinC Hi Colin, Thanks for the info... I've not had time to do anything with it yet, as "family" things have to come first today, before I can play. :-( Funnily enough I'd done some of what you suggest in your info, the only difference being... in the 2.57 info doc the Macros are defined as: The following macro definitions are useful. defmacro(2,"nextclip","{setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()+1)}",""); Obviously I copied the thing exactly as written in the doc, which now transpires was a pointless exercise. Thanks again for the info.. Cheer Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:48:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118201 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:48:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949827100:10:06696:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:51:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006648; 6 Feb 2000 8:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA22747 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:21:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA22742 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:21:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.11) [193.149.76.11] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HMwF-000390-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 08:21:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 08:22:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: CLib error on upgrading Message-ID: <498bffd72acolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200002051511.PAA20158@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <200002051511.PAA20158@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Feb, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > So I loaded a fresh 2.52 from the discs and tried again. Same >error. I have exactly the same here, with no applets installed in a fresh 2.52 from discs. If you disable all applets installed by the installer, you still get the error '.. not enough memory for Clibrary'. Not seen this before Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118224 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:48:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949836131:20:29036:22; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 11:22:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110183; 6 Feb 2000 11:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA23313 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:07:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23308 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:07:06 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.214) [62.188.142.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HPWy-0006yl-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:07:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 11:05:41 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As most other people found, the upgrade went very smoothly; it's certainly easier than it used to be. One tiny niggle, though; I seem to lose my choices and the preferences as incorporated in the default document (things like the date format for the former and the hyphenation set-up for the latter). Am I doing something wrong, or is this something inherent in the upgrade method? If so, could it be fixed? One other little point: I don't understand the way of making multiple clipboards (anything including the words 'macro' or 'script' tend to make my brain close), but if I do get into this how does the global clipboard fit in? I use this a lot to transfer data between OPro and StrongEd and back. TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:06 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118227 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949841334:10:25300:20; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:48:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129180; 6 Feb 2000 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23534 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:07:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23529 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:07:31 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.89) [62.188.133.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HQTS-0000c1-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:07:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:07:19 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Spot colour in 2.57 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 5 Feb 2000 (20:52:29 +0000), david@english.co.uk wrote: > >David, > >One glitch which hit me tonight is that I seem to be losing spot >colours in Artworks files again (the 'Use spot colours' option is not >giving me the colour defined in the OvPro file). Is this me or has >something changed with the new Artworks applet? > >David > I have compared versions via the Artworks applet info files and it would appear that the 257 upgrade contains the same version as 256 - major version 1, minor version 5. Is there a mistake in the upgrade? Ted -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXVIII - Secretary of Southampton Acorn User Group - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118228 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949842695:20:07143:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:11:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121596; 6 Feb 2000 13:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23657 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:56:46 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23652 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 12:56:45 GMT Received: from modem-67.fermium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.69.195] helo=celtania) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12HRF6-0003WM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:56:44 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 12:45:29 GMT From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <43f5178c49.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > Hi David Many thanks for 2.57 Download and upgrade worked well and 2.57 loads and runs perfectly. I've already tried a few of the new facilities and greatly appreciate: > *Multiple clip boards > *Copy and Paste chapters > *Enhancements to the text base line grid > *Support for Impression style cross hairs when dragging > *Save user defined styles as text I'm sure the others will prove their worth in due course, especially: > *Extended button macros -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From mjbridger@argonet.co.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118234 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949848435:20:09538:18; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:47:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009433; 6 Feb 2000 14:47 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.75) [62.188.137.75] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HSxm-0004id-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:46:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. M. Bridger) To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:46:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.60 Subject: Re upgrade Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Have just upgraded from 2.52 to 2.57 and double checked everything but have the message - Not enough memory for C library. I have never had any trouble like this before - I have even changed all the applets from 2.56. Can you help please Michael Bridger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ mjbridger@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118236 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949852824:10:03294:19; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:00:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122506; 6 Feb 2000 16:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24061 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:31:54 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24056 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:31:53 GMT Received: (qmail 18461 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 15:31:52 -0000 Received: from usercc65.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.151.77) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 15:31:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:31:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <498c272216dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr P.N.Young wrote: > As most other people found, the upgrade went very smoothly; it's > certainly easier than it used to be. One tiny niggle, though; I seem to > lose my choices and the preferences as incorporated in the default > document (things like the date format for the former and the hyphenation > set-up for the latter). Am I doing something wrong, or is this something > inherent in the upgrade method? If so, could it be fixed? > One other little point: I don't understand the way of making multiple > clipboards (anything including the words 'macro' or 'script' tend to > make my brain close), but if I do get into this how does the global > clipboard fit in? I use this a lot to transfer data between OPro and > StrongEd and back. > TIA, > Peter. Peter, If you follow Colin Carnegie's info to me... posted earlier today, Multiple clipboards will work. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118238 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949854011:10:03264:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:20:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003165; 6 Feb 2000 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24014 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:23:09 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24009 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:23:07 GMT Received: (qmail 17549 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 15:23:06 -0000 Received: from userco73.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.156.3) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 15:23:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:19:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498c261392dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Carnegie wrote: > On Sat 5 Feb 2000 (16:19:50 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > > trying to get this multiple clipboard business to work. > (Snip) > > Any kind person lead me by the nose through this please, [Snip] > Hope this helps > ColinC Hi Colin and thank you Colin, I've now done your suggestions to the letter and it all works. I'd already done a set of button sprites and put them in place. No wonder I was going around in circles, the macro definitions in the New257 info doc are *substantially* different to the material in your help mail. Cheers & thanks... Dave S General comment for the list. Okay so it's working, but it's essentially unmanagable... I'll try and explain ... if I can. Say four clipboards set. Aside from trying to remember what you've put on what clipboard, there is no indicator of what is on which clipboard. There is no visible indication of what clipboard will be the next one when you do Ctrl-B or click on the Toolbar Icon. (unless you remember where you are in the stack). There is no way in the present setup for viewing a number of clipboards at the same time, so that the user can see which clipboard contains what, and select the one required. Maybe all the above would be possible with extension to the existing macros... I wouldn't know. Mmmmnnn! That'll do for now. As I've said before though, some of the new stuff in 2.57 is excellent. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118240 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949854522:11:09381:19; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 16:28:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109194; 6 Feb 2000 16:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24134 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:44:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24129 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:44:35 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.159) [62.188.136.159] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HTrW-0006Ln-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:44:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Angela Craggs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 22:46:27 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 4 Feb 2000 (18:44:52), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: But given everyone will soon be able to have 2.57 there's not > much point programming something. > I do a lot of work at home for school. I usually laser print it at school and/or edit it there. We still have the network version 2.46?? (I think) and I believe there is no upgrade path at the moment. That means I will probably have to stay with 2.56 unless someone produces a lower filter or something like that. Angela Craggs -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ acraggs@argonet.co.uk www.argonet.co.uk/users/acraggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:49:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118250 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:49:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949859062:10:10280:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:44:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010224; 6 Feb 2000 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24549 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:28:45 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24544 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:28:44 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.15] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12HVTR-0001wz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:27:49 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:07:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:08:03 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <20ff2f8c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro acraggs@argonet.co.uk (Angela Craggs) wrote: > On Fri 4 Feb 2000 (18:44:52), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > But given everyone will soon be able to have 2.57 there's not > > much point programming something. > > > I do a lot of work at home for school. I usually laser print it at school > and/or edit it there. We still have the network version 2.46?? (I think) and I > believe there is no upgrade path at the moment. That means I will probably have > to stay with 2.56 unless someone produces a lower filter or something like > that. > Angela Craggs DP suggested that there was probably no need for a filter: if you save a document out as a DDL file then you can read it in to an earlier version of OvPro provided it doesn't use any of the new features (such as fancy tab leaders). Seems to work. ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118259 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949862230:20:20855:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020619; 6 Feb 2000 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24678 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:55:44 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24673 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:55:43 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HVuI-000FKq-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 17:55:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 19:57:21 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Not enough memory for C library To: Ovation Pro maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Feb, Barrie McElroy wrote: > Not enough memory for C library > ------------------------------- > I have just had my first upgrade problem with OvPro. > After upgrading from 2.52 to 2.57 following the usual procedure to the > letter and trying to load Ovation Pro I get the error message: > Not enough memory for C library > a couple of seconds after the appearance of the banner. > > So I loaded a fresh 2.52 from the discs and tried again. Same error. > Never had this problem before. Have used Ovation/Ovation Pro since the very > first. What am I doing wrong? Any ideas? > Dear Barrie, What you have down is not to have unselected Newer. The error refers to the wimp slot. I made this mistake because I was so confident I knew what I was doing I did not read the ReadMe file - especially the: 2. Ensure that Force is selected and Newer unselected in your copy options. (Click menu over the directory viewer and choose Options->Force.) Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Unit |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118261 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949862539:20:29957:18; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:42:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108446; 6 Feb 2000 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24800 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:15:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24795 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:15:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.156) [62.188.136.156] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HWDm-0003TP-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:15:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 18:12:45 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 6 Feb 2000 (15:31:14 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: >In article , > Dr P.N.Young wrote: >> As most other people found, the upgrade went very smoothly; it's >> certainly easier than it used to be. One tiny niggle, though; I seem >to >> lose my choices and the preferences as incorporated in the default >> document (things like the date format for the former and the >hyphenation >> set-up for the latter). Am I doing something wrong, or is this >something >> inherent in the upgrade method? If so, could it be fixed? > >> One other little point: I don't understand the way of making multiple >> clipboards (anything including the words 'macro' or 'script' tend to >> make my brain close), but if I do get into this how does the global >> clipboard fit in? I use this a lot to transfer data between OPro and >> StrongEd and back. > >> TIA, > >> Peter. > >Peter, >If you follow Colin Carnegie's info to me... posted earlier today, >Multiple clipboards will work. Thanks, I saw this after I had posted. Sometime when I have enough free time, perhaps ..... :-) Thanks again, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118264 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949871228:11:25198:21; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:07:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013668; 6 Feb 2000 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25178 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:20:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25173 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:20:32 GMT Received: from (ck60.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.8.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HYAY-0007KV-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:20:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Sandford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:19:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498c417ee8jms@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498c261392dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <498c261392dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: snipped loads > Say four clipboards set. > Aside from trying to remember what you've put on what clipboard, there > is no indicator of what is on which clipboard. There is no visible > indication of what clipboard will be the next one when you do Ctrl-B or > click on the Toolbar Icon. (unless you remember where you are in the > stack). > There is no way in the present setup for viewing a number of clipboards > at the same time, so that the user can see which clipboard contains > what, and select the one required. Maybe all the above would be possible > with extension to the existing macros... I wouldn't know. > Mmmmnnn! That'll do for now. > As I've said before though, some of the new stuff in 2.57 is excellent. > Cheers Dave S This is how I did it Dave new button called next enter {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()+1)} new button called prev enter {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()-1)} I dont both with sprites as I can never remember what they mean most of my buttons have word on them ie cut paste copyM place these buttons next to existing clipboard one click on clipboard then next or prev to view one at a time the number is at the top. -- John Sandford Herts Uk. Argonet: mail: jms@argonet.co.uk Domain: www: http://sandford-1.org.uk ## mail: John@sandford-1.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118267 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949870027:20:02856:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:47:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002797; 6 Feb 2000 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25210 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:31:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25205 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:31:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.157) [62.188.144.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HYLO-0007fy-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:31:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:30:33 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 6 Feb 2000 (15:19:42 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > Aside from trying to remember what you've put on what clipboard, there > is no indicator of what is on which clipboard. > There is no visible indication of what clipboard will be the next one > when you do Ctrl-B or click on the Toolbar Icon. (unless you remember > where you are in the stack). In the text file New257, there is a section 'Macro Extensions' at the end, which deals, I suspect, with this need. 'Fraid I'm not the programmer to deal with it! (Any one out there?) > There is no way in the present setup for viewing a number of clipboards > at the same time, so that the user can see which clipboard contains > what, and select the one required. I don't think this can occur *ordinarily* - BUT - if you have the !HideDoc applet installed, it will show any clipboards you have *and the PictureCache document ***WARNING** Don't quit any of the _these_ documents from the !HideDoc menu on the icon bar icon or you risk a horrid Type 5 error and OPro crashing!!. Even other 'ordinary' docs don't behave well under these circumstances. HTH Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118268 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949872893:10:18446:20; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:34:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018391; 6 Feb 2000 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25321 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:55:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25316 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:55:52 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.130) [62.188.144.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HYil-0000gP-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 20:55:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 15:39:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <498c27e290davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; Excellent - looking through the info I see that we can now read the numbering styles of chapters (ie roman numerals). I'll try and get round to extending IdxPro to read these and generate suitable index entries. Keep an eye on the list David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:25 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118271 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949873054:20:02568:19; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:37:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109245; 6 Feb 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25400 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:09:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25395 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:09:51 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.130) [62.188.144.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HYwH-0001A7-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:09:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:01:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: <498c456795davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498c27e290davidb@argonet.co.uk> References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498c27e290davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I wrote: > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > Excellent - looking through the info I see that we can now read the > numbering styles of chapters (ie roman numerals). I'll try and get round > to extending IdxPro to read these and generate suitable index entries. > Keep an eye on the list > David Breakwell I have now made a little time to make the necessary changes to Idxpro for OP2.57. The page numbering stuff was OK and is now in place in a soon to be released 1.06. People should note however that it appears that using the pre 2.57 way of implementing mixed leading characters does not seem to work any more (no leading appears...). This means older documents will probably need changing. As IdxPro used this I decided to allow in version 1.06 a new style applied to all the sub index entries. This also seems to work but I seem to have found a small bug in 2.57. Take 2 styles - one contains a tab ruler - just a single right tab with leading (set to a single full stop) in lets say trinity 12. Now create a second selection based style that is just Corpus Bold. Type a line using just the first style with a tab and all appears fine. Noe enter the second line but put the words before the tab in the second style (overlayed on the first). When you press tab you find the cursor moves to the right place but the text appears in the wrong place :-( I'll release version 1.06 very soon but please be aware of the above points when using leading. I also mail DP with an example file. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118274 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949880564:10:03983:17; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 23:42:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105901; 6 Feb 2000 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26175 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:07:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26169 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:07:21 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.26) [62.188.134.26] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HalY-0005AK-00; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 23:06:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr R O Davis To: Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:53:30 +0100 Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures (revisited) Message-ID: <498c4a2138rod@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/0.49h (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R After extensive correspondence on this topic about a month ago, I have found a new but connected problem. The original problem was that documents with coloured pictures (sprites or jpegs) originally prepared on v252 would not print with correct colouring on v256. In the end I decided that I could overcome the problem by loading my back-up copy of v252 when I needed new copies of the old documents.. no other solution seemed possible. Now I have found that if I load an 'old' document prepared on v252 into v256 even one without pictures and then (in v256) draw a new frame and import a new sprite /jpeg into it I still get the horrible overcoloured printouts. While importing the same picture into a 'new' document on v256 prints perfectly. So it seems that any document prepared originally on v252 is in some way contaminated so that it knows it is v252 and it will not print correctly from v256 even if there is and never was a picture in that document. Can this be right? -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118276 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949875183:20:03789:18; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:13:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119017; 6 Feb 2000 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25617 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:44:42 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25612 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:44:39 GMT Received: (qmail 27366 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 21:44:38 -0000 Received: from userax18.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.139.9) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 21:44:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498c48299ddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Carnegie wrote: > On Sun 6 Feb 2000 (15:19:42 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > > Aside from trying to remember what you've put on what clipboard, there > > is no indicator of what is on which clipboard. There is no visible > > indication of what clipboard will be the next one when you do Ctrl-B > > or click on the Toolbar Icon. (unless you remember where you are in > > the stack). > In the text file New257, there is a section 'Macro Extensions' at the > end, which deals, I suspect, with this need. 'Fraid I'm not the > programmer to deal with it! (Any one out there?) > > > There is no way in the present setup for viewing a number of > > clipboards at the same time, so that the user can see which clipboard > > contains what, and select the one required. > I don't think this can occur *ordinarily* - BUT - if you have the > !HideDoc applet installed, it will show any clipboards you have *and the > PictureCache document > ***WARNING** Don't quit any of the _these_ documents from the !HideDoc > menu on the icon bar icon or you risk a horrid Type 5 error and OPro > crashing!!. Even other 'ordinary' docs don't behave well under these > circumstances. > HTH > Colin Carnegie Thanks again Colin, It's a me neither I'm afraid, when it comes to constructing Macros... no idea. Obviously I've got the HideDoc Applet installed... though it never ocurred to me to look for a clipboard in there... I mean it's only supposed to hide docs. Yes it does expose the Clipboards.... but still leaves the problem where in the present stack is the bit I want to paste, and how do I get to it without a load of time wasting. And yes it can be done by clicking the nextclip and prevclip buttons, but in a business environment it's not very efficient or productive to have to keep needlessly clicking backward or forward to find the place in a stack. Cheers and thanks again for your thoughts. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118278 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949875185:20:03789:46; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:13:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003508; 6 Feb 2000 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25610 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:44:39 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25605 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 21:44:37 GMT Received: (qmail 27357 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 21:44:36 -0000 Received: from userax18.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.139.9) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 21:44:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 21:18:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498c46eadddfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <498c417ee8jms@argonet.co.uk> References: <498c261392dfs@ukgateway.net> <498c417ee8jms@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498c417ee8jms@argonet.co.uk>, John Sandford wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > snipped loads > > Say four clipboards set. [Snip] > This is how I did it Dave > new button called next enter > {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()+1)} > new button called prev enter > {setcurrentclipboard(getcurrentclipboard()-1)} > I dont both with sprites as I can never remember what they mean most of > my buttons have word on them ie cut paste copyM > place these buttons next to existing clipboard one click on clipboard > then next or prev to view one at a time the number is at the top. Thanks for your thoughts John. cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:45 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118279 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949904098:10:14533:17; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 06:14:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014504; 7 Feb 2000 6:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA27065 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:43:43 GMT Received: from goliath.camtech.net.au (goliath.camtech.net.au [203.5.73.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA27060 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 05:43:40 GMT Received: from mcelroyb.camtech.net.au ([203.55.241.46]) by goliath.camtech.net.au ; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:13:34 +1030 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 16:12:20 +1030 (BST) From: Barrie McElroy Subject: Re: Not enough memory for C library To: Ovation Pro maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 06 Feb, Rosalind M. Share wrote: > On Sat 05 Feb, Barrie McElroy wrote: > > Not enough memory for C library > > ------------------------------- ...........................snipped > > Dear Barrie, > > What you have down is not to have unselected Newer. The error refers to the > wimp slot. I made this mistake because I was so confident I knew what I was > doing I did not read the ReadMe file - especially the: > > 2. Ensure that Force is selected and Newer unselected in your copy options. > (Click menu over the directory viewer and choose Options->Force.) > > Regards, > > Ros Thanks Ros I did read it and knew what to do, but after having had crashes becasue of a couple of old applets left in my original version of 252 I must have forgotten to change this flag on later attempts. I do get paranoid about leaving Options set to Force as I have lost files that way! Thanks to all. Regards Barrie -- ****************************************************************** Barrie I McElroy Web: http://www.ozemail.com.au/~bmcelroy/ phone/fax: +61 8 83378019 email: mailto:mcelroyb@camtech.net.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:50:46 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118280 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949877505:20:01144:18; Sun, 06 Feb 2000 22:51:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001071; 6 Feb 2000 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25910 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:25:35 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25905 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 22:25:34 GMT Received: (qmail 4027 invoked from network); 6 Feb 2000 22:25:33 -0000 Received: from userb018.uk.uudial.com (HELO ukgateway.net) (193.149.71.1) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Feb 2000 22:25:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 20:24:47 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 Message-ID: <498C4201E7%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <20ff2f8c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20ff2f8c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.10 POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <20ff2f8c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > acraggs@argonet.co.uk (Angela Craggs) wrote: > > [...] at school [...] We still have the network version 2.46?? (I think) > > and I believe there is no upgrade path at the moment. That means I will > > probably have to stay with 2.56 [...] > DP suggested that there was probably no need for a filter: if you > save a document out as a DDL file then you can read it in to an > earlier version of OvPro provided it doesn't use any of the new > features (such as fancy tab leaders). Seems to work. ... Would it have been possible to allow the saving the doc' in the earlier version if it used none of the new features? Or perhaps remove the new features? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ The only deadly sin I know is cynicism. Henry Lewis Stimson -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 16:51:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118292 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 16:51:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949935686:10:28538:19; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 15:01:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110855; 7 Feb 2000 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27905 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:42:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27900 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:42:06 GMT Received: from (useram40) [62.188.134.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HpMV-00070Q-00; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:41:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 14:15:16 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8103a48c49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Subject: New Version of Contents Applet X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is now a new version (2.13) of the !Contents applet on the alternative resources web site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). This contains the following changes from the previous released version (2.11): It now automatically produces Roman format page numbers if the chapter it is doing uses them. A trap has been added to prevent a type 5 error if a heading was too long (like longer that a few hundred characters). A bug that meant that it failed to load new document information correctly under some circumstances has been fixed. The Roman numeral support means that this version of the applet is restricted to Ovation Pro 2.57 or later, and so the version 2.11 has been retained on the web site. Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 20:19:42 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118338 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 20:19:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949946717:20:25499:39; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 18:05:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025717; 7 Feb 2000 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA28618 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:35:44 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28613 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:35:42 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA23619 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 17:35:39 GMT Message-ID: <389F02FF.73089E9@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 17:38:07 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 & $ meg A3010 References: <117934@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What are the minimum memoruy usage settings for 2.57?. I am still about 2 months away from upgrading to an RS7500. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From steve.harratt@ukgateway.net Mon Feb 7 20:20:02 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118346 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 20:20:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949952808:10:01921:0; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 19:46:48 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net ([158.43.128.69]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001873; 7 Feb 2000 19:46 GMT Received: (qmail 27292 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2000 19:46:43 -0000 Received: from userbl56.uk.uudial.com (HELO userbl56) (62.188.144.163) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2000 19:46:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 16:09:03 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Button Bar Sprites Message-ID: <7f6eae8c49.Steve@ukgateway.net> References: <117671@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <117671@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <117671@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >To give an example, the Applet Join Line does not display its sprite. > >(Well it doesnt for me anyway) > > It does for me, but, the join line applet is a very special case, > because as was discussed here some weeks back, its sprite is > being distributed in another applet (mistakenly). I've got the fixed version... > > > > David Pilling > Hi David Where can I get the fixed version from please. Cheers Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 22:54:20 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118394 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 22:54:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949958351:20:21130:29; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021690; 7 Feb 2000 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29080 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29075 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HvHO-000Bog-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:36:54 GMT Message-Id: <118363@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 & $ meg A3010 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What are the minimum memoruy usage settings for 2.57?. I am still >about 2 months away from upgrading to an RS7500. I'd imagine it will work on a 4Mb machine, but since it is taking about 2Mb just for the program these days it won't be much fun. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 22:54:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118397 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 22:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949959154:11:18132:17; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:32:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118036; 7 Feb 2000 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29091 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29082 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HvHR-000Bog-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:01:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:39:02 GMT Message-Id: <118365@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it have been possible to allow the saving the doc' in the earlier >version if it used none of the new features? Or perhaps remove the new >features? Yes that would have been possible, and I did consider it. But it would just take more time and effort, and within a month or so it would be a complete waste. I do sympathise with the people with network versions for which there is no upgrade path at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 7 22:54:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118403 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 22:54:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949959865:11:02169:19; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:44:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101338; 7 Feb 2000 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29066 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:00:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29061 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:00:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HvGp-000Bog-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:00:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:23:35 GMT Message-Id: <118359@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spot colour in 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One glitch which hit me tonight is that I seem to be losing spot >colours in Artworks files again (the 'Use spot colours' option is >not giving me the colour defined in the OvPro file). Is this me >or has something changed with the new Artworks applet? There isn't a new ArtWorks applet - at least not new relative to 2.56. I suppose one catch with AW files was mentioned a few months back, they won't work if your dynamic area gets too full and the memory addresses the AW files are held at become too high. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From paul@g6tsf.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 7 23:22:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118426 for opro ; Mon, 07 Feb 100 23:22:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949965026:20:03725:9; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:10:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003592; 7 Feb 2000 23:10 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HxIK-000GVT-0A; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:10:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:08:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] On Fri 04 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > I tried to down load it an got a corrupt archive file only about 362k in size, any ideas what's up? Same result on several attempts. Regards, Paul -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 01:43:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118433 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 01:43:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949968377:10:05075:18; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 00:06:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111415; 8 Feb 2000 0:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29662 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29654 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HxWk-000Gxd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:13:22 GMT Message-Id: <118420@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >People should note however that it appears that using the pre 2.57 way of >implementing mixed leading characters does not seem to work any more >to all the sub index entries. This also seems to work but I seem to have >found a small bug in 2.57. Presumeably these two (which are both wrong) mean the end of 2.57. I don't really see the point in spending a few hours setting up the web sites for 2.57 when it is obviously wrong. Sorry about that. I guess this means fixing the bugs this week and then starting the process again with 2.58 towards the end of the week. It'd be good if any other bugs are brought to light asap. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 01:43:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118436 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 01:43:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949967496:20:19406:27; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:51:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019374; 7 Feb 2000 23:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29611 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:10:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29606 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:10:13 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HxIK-000GVT-0A; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:10:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:08:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 04 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > I tried to down load it an got a corrupt archive file only about 362k in size, any ideas what's up? Same result on several attempts. Regards, Paul -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 01:43:31 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118439 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 01:43:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949967585:20:21461:17; Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:53:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124916; 7 Feb 2000 23:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29666 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29660 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12HxWl-000Gxd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 23:25:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 23:18:16 GMT Message-Id: <118422@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >easier than it used to be. One tiny niggle, though; I seem to lose my choices >and the preferences as incorporated in the default document (things like the Choices I understand because the upgrade overwrites one file with another. Default document I don't, because the upgrade doesn't replace that... >brain close), but if I do get into this how does the global clipboard fit in? >use this a lot to transfer data between OPro and StrongEd and back. I think the current OPro clipboard is linked to the global one. Perhaps OPro has one clipboard with multiple contents, rather than multiple clipboards. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 03:19:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118468 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 03:19:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949974543:11:19015:20; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 01:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118751; 8 Feb 2000 1:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30130 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:20:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA30125 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 01:20:12 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.31) [193.149.75.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12HuOy-0004Rx-00; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:04:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:07:46 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 & $ meg A3010 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I think ultimately it depends on how many applets, clipboards, and drawfileborders you run. If you change the *final* Wimpslot max and min figures in the run file to 1184k (DP approved figure), have only one clipboard, and a sensible number of applets it should be around the 1600k mark. Each couple of clipboards appears to add 32k, each couple of drawfile borders the same. At the moment, without the colour supplement, artworks or fill applets switched on, but with basic useful applets like fluff, !!!!!!!!bm, abbrev, quotes, stationery, and a couple of others, I manage to come in at 1696k. I always quit the !printers icon (saves 200+k) and have 'print to queue' as default as OPro uses no sprite area memory in this case, but prints as if you aren't in the background. (Yes, I know, why...! It's an aesthetic thing with me.... I hate that long hourglass activity while the print to file happens...). But I can still just run ArcFax as well, and so create, print and send a couple of pages of fax without to much quitting of OP or ArcFax Colin Carnegie (Also still with only 4Mb) -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:01 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118471 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949981893:20:11664:51; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 03:51:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116981; 8 Feb 2000 3:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30443 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:21:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30438 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:21:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12I1Dt-00041x-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:21:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 03:16:05 GMT Message-Id: <118466@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures (revisited) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So it seems that any document prepared originally on v252 >is in some way contaminated so that it knows it is v252 >and it will not print correctly from v256 even if there is >and never was a picture in that document. >Can this be right? Doesn't sound right. I forget if you sent me a demo of this problem... If I can see it I can fix it. And I suppose if I can't see it then its something about your system. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118473 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949981573:10:05613:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 03:46:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126934; 8 Feb 2000 3:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA30436 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:21:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA30431 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:21:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12I1Dr-00041x-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:21:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 03:10:15 GMT Message-Id: <118464@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried to down load it an got a corrupt archive file only about 362k >in size, any ideas what's up? Same result on several attempts. Since we just decided to replace it with 2.58 asap, doesn't really matter... The file on the server is OK. Beyond that there's little I can do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118474 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949993802:20:09496:21; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 07:10:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009142; 8 Feb 2000 7:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA31132 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:55:12 GMT Received: from odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (odo.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.252.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA31127 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:55:07 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA10526 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:25:03 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000208172113.00e632c8@post.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@post.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:21:13 +1000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: Paper backgrounds In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 14:56 07/02/2000 +0000, Peter Prewett wrote: >I have a need (occasionally) of having a paper background such as a >leather finish > >The only way I can see of doing it is to create an image in other SW and >making a frame for it. Another option to creating an image might be to use the pre printed papers that are available -- clouds, leather, whatever -- and scan them for use as an image in a frame, perhaps on the master document. Regards, cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118476 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949988677:11:19942:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 05:44:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013183; 8 Feb 2000 5:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30790 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:15:40 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30785 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:15:36 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-100.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.100]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06976 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:46:40 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:53:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Newdocs To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R As I seem to have mislaid some of my copies of newdocs for each of the versions is there anywhere they can be found. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118478 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 949988683:10:14390:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 05:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118204; 8 Feb 2000 5:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA30818 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:16:13 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA30808 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 05:16:08 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-100.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.100]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA07025 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:46:48 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 14:56:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Paper backgrounds To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a need (occasionally) of having a paper background such as a leather finish The only way I can see of doing it is to create an image in other SW and making a frame for it. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118477 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950000505:20:05810:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:01:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005266; 8 Feb 2000 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31404 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:46:43 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31398 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:46:41 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA13681 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:46:40 GMT Message-ID: <389FD895.5860B1E4@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:49:25 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 & 4 meg A3010 References: <118363@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Well I did get it to run. But It was tight. I can not run therasus even after quitting !printers. I will stick to 2.52 until I upgrade. Unless you recommend a different version? What is the best way to transfer over to the new computer? I am a biologist doing biosensor research in a computer dep. Despite having Dyslexia, I have less problems with my system than the others do with bill gates systems. I notice one chap using image processing software complaining that his system (512 meg ram, 2 X 22G HD, twin high speed pent 2) was slow!. He was thinking of upgrading to 1G ram * twin pent 3. David Pilling wrote: > > >What are the minimum memoruy usage settings for 2.57?. I am still > >about 2 months away from upgrading to an RS7500. > > I'd imagine it will work on a 4Mb machine, but since it is taking about 2Mb > just for the program these days it won't be much fun. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 14:57:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118485 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 14:57:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950000492:10:18966:19; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 09:01:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019066; 8 Feb 2000 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31350 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:28:45 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31345 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 08:28:43 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.47] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12I5zt-0006hd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:27:46 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:26:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 08:27:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spot colour in 2.57 Message-ID: <1ffa78d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118359@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >One glitch which hit me tonight is that I seem to be losing spot > >colours in Artworks files again (the 'Use spot colours' option is > >not giving me the colour defined in the OvPro file). Is this me > >or has something changed with the new Artworks applet? > > There isn't a new ArtWorks applet - at least not new relative to 2.56. > > I suppose one catch with AW files was mentioned a few months back, > they won't work if your dynamic area gets too full and the memory > addresses the AW files are held at become too high. > Curious. It seems to be working again. The problem was on a machine with only 32 MB so it was unlikely to be caused by high memory addresses. I hope it was just a glitch of some kind during upgrading. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 18:21:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118537 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 18:21:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950032124:10:00555:181; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:48:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029283; 8 Feb 2000 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32395 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:09:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32389 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:09:26 GMT Received: from (useri384) [194.69.105.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12IE8h-00039U-00; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:09:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 16:20:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Error message in OP 2.57 Message-ID: <498d3351c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I select some text and copy it using Ctrl-C I then paste it using Ctrl-V and OP gives me an error message saying I can't save a document when the Master page is open. Yes, I did copy over the !OvnPro folder and had Newer off when I upgraded. Any ideas? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 20:42:27 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118540 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 20:42:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950039562:20:17319:20; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:52:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102791; 8 Feb 2000 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00344 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:03:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00339 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:03:02 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.196) [193.149.75.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12IFuf-00071p-00; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:03:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Jennings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:26:13 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: OvationPro 2.57 doesn't know get_style Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi When loading Ovation Pro since upgrading I get an error message saying: "Unknown identifier get_style at line 322 in !OvnPro.Applets.!THe.Library.THe." I have the version 1.79 (the latest) of !THe. The earlier versions of Ovation Pro seemed to have known it. 8-) How can I get version 2.57 to become acquainted? Peter, -- Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 20:42:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118543 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 20:42:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950034254:10:02119:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:24:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002073; 8 Feb 2000 18:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32593 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:02:22 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32588 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:02:20 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup041.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.203]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28312 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:00:12 GMT Message-ID: <002101bf725e$77ca4460$cb94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <1ffa78d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Colour separations Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 17:57:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >> I suppose one catch with AW files was mentioned a few months back, >> they won't work if your dynamic area gets too full and the memory >> addresses the AW files are held at become too high. >> >Curious. It seems to be working again. The problem was on a >machine with only 32 MB so it was unlikely to be caused by high >memory addresses. I hope it was just a glitch of some kind during >upgrading I have just found a related problem, not specific to 2.57. Create a black rectangle, drop into OvnPro frame, check separations and appears on black separation only. But, on a different machine, do same, and ArtWorks black rectangle is separated into CMYK. Is this just a question of memory usage, or is there anything else? One machine has 24MB, the other 98MB. It's currently causing me severe grief. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 20:42:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118544 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 20:42:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950036325:10:18010:18; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 18:58:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017991; 8 Feb 2000 18:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA32662 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:23:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA32657 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:23:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12IFIb-0008CO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 18:23:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 17:47:14 GMT Message-Id: <118534@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newdocs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As I seem to have mislaid some of my copies of newdocs for each of the >versions is there anywhere they can be found. The best source is the 2.56 upgrade archive. That has the best version of the file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 22:41:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118584 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 22:41:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950047394:10:12491:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:03:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012423; 8 Feb 2000 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00817 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00812 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12IINI-000NZB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:52:21 GMT Message-Id: <118552@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have just found a related problem, not specific to 2.57. Create a black >rectangle, drop into OvnPro frame, check separations and appears on black >separation only. >But, on a different machine, do same, and ArtWorks black rectangle is >separated into CMYK. Is this just a question of memory usage, or is there >anything else? One machine has 24MB, the other 98MB. It's currently causing >me severe grief. Look at the discussion here (approximately in October). The problem occurs when the address allocated to OvationPro's dynamic area by RISC OS becomes too high. When that happens is a function of; (a) how much memory you have in your machine (b) how many applications which reserve a maximum size area of addresses are run before OvationPro. It is rarely going to be a function of the size of the file you're loading or how much memory OPro uses. It is possible to use various memory management modules to solve this problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 22:41:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118591 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 22:41:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950048084:10:04433:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:14:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102226; 8 Feb 2000 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00803 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00798 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12IINF-000NZB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:48:47 GMT Message-Id: <118548@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Error message in OP 2.57 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I then paste it using Ctrl-V and OP gives me an error message saying I >can't save a document when the Master page is open. Its one of Rupert Thompsons applets - end note or THe ISTR. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 8 22:42:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118610 for opro ; Tue, 08 Feb 100 22:42:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950048930:20:17816:21; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:28:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106680; 8 Feb 2000 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00810 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00805 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12IINH-000NZB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 21:40:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 20:50:19 GMT Message-Id: <118550@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 doesn't know get_style X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When loading Ovation Pro since upgrading I get an error message saying: >"Unknown identifier get_style at line 322 in !OvnPro.Applets.!THe.Library.THe." Just a guess, but possibly because applets like THe can't be dragged from version to version, they have to be installed - they insert a library of their own in the !OvnPro.Library directory. Probably that is where get_style() is defined. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 01:32:29 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118626 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 01:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950051252:11:24996:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:07:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124627; 8 Feb 2000 23:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01125 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:30:11 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01120 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:30:09 GMT Received: from modem-71.barad-eithel.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.133.71] helo=orchard-way) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12IJ96-0004Xt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:30:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:29:31 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: <8319558d49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <118420@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118420@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <118420@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >People should note however that it appears that using the pre 2.57 way of > >implementing mixed leading characters does not seem to work any more > >to all the sub index entries. This also seems to work but I seem to have > >found a small bug in 2.57. > > Presumeably these two (which are both wrong) mean the end of 2.57. > > I don't really see the point in spending a few hours setting up the web sites > for 2.57 when it is obviously wrong. > > Sorry about that. > > I guess this means fixing the bugs this week and then starting the process > again with 2.58 towards the end of the week. > > It'd be good if any other bugs are brought to light asap. > > > > David Pilling > I think I've just noticed a small one in 2.56. The style submenu isn't wide enough to show the shortcut keys in full - just the two arrow indicators for shift and control. The longest style name is 15 characters (Minutes Heading), the desktop font is Homerton Medium. I don't know whether this is already fixed. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 01:32:39 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118630 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 01:32:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950052525:10:26302:17; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:28:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025953; 8 Feb 2000 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01264 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:58:48 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01258 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:58:46 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.189] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12IJZu-0000Vg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:57:50 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:50:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 22:50:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <118552@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I have just found a related problem, not specific to 2.57. Create a black > >rectangle, drop into OvnPro frame, check separations and appears on black > >separation only. > >But, on a different machine, do same, and ArtWorks black rectangle is > >separated into CMYK. Is this just a question of memory usage, or is there > >anything else? One machine has 24MB, the other 98MB. It's currently causing > >me severe grief. > > > Look at the discussion here (approximately in October). > > The problem occurs when the address allocated to OvationPro's > dynamic area by RISC OS becomes too high. When that happens is a function > of; > > It is possible to use various memory management modules to solve this problem. Now there's an enigmatic statement. Which modules might they be, then? And do they create other problems? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 01:32:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118640 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 01:32:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950055739:10:27938:18; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 00:22:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028342; 9 Feb 2000 0:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01576 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:53:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01571 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:53:51 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.65) [62.188.135.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12IKS6-0003VN-00; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:53:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: <498d5c41f1davidb@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have noticed some other problems... (I think)... 1. select two objects such as a frame and an OP line. Copy them onto the clipboard. The menu will display 'Paste Line' rather than paste objects. OP correctly pastes both objects however. 2. Create two drawn objects such as circles, select both and then goto the edit menu, as the submenu opens the modify line dialogue also opens ! 3. I have seen a funny where just the horizontal cross hairs of the new movement stuff are drawn but not the verticle ones when the view scale > 100%. (I don't seem to be able to repeat this one) David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 13:51:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118665 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 13:51:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950065671:11:29697:19; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 03:07:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027550; 9 Feb 2000 3:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02160 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:51:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02155 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:51:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12INDp-000BnT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:51:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 01:38:22 GMT Message-Id: <118645@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now there's an enigmatic statement. Which modules might they be, >then? See the previous discussion in the archives... >And do they create other problems? Probably not if used with discretion. Limiting OPro to a 4Mb DA would be a mistake, but something like SparkFS could happily live with that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 13:51:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118666 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 13:51:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950082335:20:24059:25; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 07:45:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023382; 9 Feb 2000 7:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02555 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:00:40 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02550 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:00:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.223) [193.149.84.223] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12IR76-00056g-00; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 07:00:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:44:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Borders Message-ID: <498d5bf8b9richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I find that on borders round pictures, they don't look good unless the > >picture is reduced on size to leave a white margin inside the border. > >So - could a 'repel' width be added to a border, so the picture is sized > >to fit inside this rather than the actual border? > There is already a picture 'inset'/clipping curve, picture choices > let you set the default (0mm by default). Modify picture frame lets > you change the current value. Sorry, I don't understand a word of that. >From the Iconbar I find choices, Picture. I can see a 'Picture Frasme Inset' which I take it is what you refer to. Does this only affect new pictures? It has no effect on the document in hand For an existing pic, I select the pic, then menu.. Modify picture. On that I see nothing about insets, clipping curves or frames. I could liook at the manual, but of course of neccessity that's now in lots of different bits! I am finding that O-Pro is becoming a very specialist tool. That's not a criticism - but like most software, it tends to require more and more specialist knowledge. I have been using it for a while, but I only have a few documents, and once they are written, that's the end of them, except for a few minor tweaks! Much of O-Pro's 'complexity' is actually a matter of jargon. Until you know the jargon for the feature you want, you cannot search in the manual! There is a glossary - but nobody yet has invented a glossary to work backwards! I know what I need to do - now what's the word for it? I've found it in the manual. Select a picture, Menu->Object->Modify gives the box. Save, it's a shame you inherited the manual and the menu structure! Some features are well hidden in a place which is only obvious with hindsight! The manual doesn't well explain where they are. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 13:52:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118673 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 13:52:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950091541:11:24655:17; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:19:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124606; 9 Feb 2000 10:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA02868 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:47:16 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA02863 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:47:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29774 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:47:02 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03000 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:47:00 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Paper backgrounds Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:46:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000901bf72e2$7ac8ab50$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter Prewett wrote: > I have a need (occasionally) of having a paper background such as a > leather finish > > The only way I can see of doing it is to create an image in other SW and > making a frame for it. I think that's right. With the tile code that DP introduced in v2.56 you can fill a page-sized frame with a fairly small repeating image though, which gives a *huge* saving on disc space. Use a program like Texture Garden to make your own, or do a search on the web for words like 'background' and 'tile' and you should find plenty of GIF images that you could import. I just did a quick look and found: http://www.vbe.com/~starman/graphics/backrnds/backrnd.htm for example. For a print background, you'd probably need to cut back the intensity of the colours using the curves or gamma settings (in the picture>colour dialogue if I recall, assuming you've got the colour supplement installed). Alternatively, you could even just make the image a duotone of say 30% black and white. Good luck! TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 13:52:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118677 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 13:52:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950100467:10:08694:17; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:47:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112510; 9 Feb 2000 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03191 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:01:07 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03186 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:01:06 GMT Received: from modem-24.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.18.24] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12IVns-0004bY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:01:04 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:49:08 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: TransWord filter Message-ID: <1667518d49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I have a filter TransWord dated 10th November 1999, and several times when trying to use a WordPerfect file I have got the message "Document is too new for this version of TransWord". Is there a more recent version, and where can I download it? So far as I am aware the files concerned have probably come from a machine using WordPerfect2000. -- Robin & Barbara Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 14:57:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118698 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 14:57:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950106170:10:14291:48; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:22:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103890; 9 Feb 2000 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03427 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:25:08 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03422 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:25:07 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA02612 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:25:01 GMT Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:25:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: TransWord filter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <1667518d49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Feb, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I have a filter TransWord dated 10th November 1999, and several times when > trying to use a WordPerfect file I have got the message "Document is too new > for this version of TransWord". !Transword only does MS Word docs, and only as far as Word 6 as I recall. Alf -- Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 14:57:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118699 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 14:57:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950107255:10:06279:41; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:40:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116929; 9 Feb 2000 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03554 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:54:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03549 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:54:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12IXZJ-0003AK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:54:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 03:06:41 GMT Message-Id: <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think I've just noticed a small one in 2.56. The style submenu isn't wide >enough to show the shortcut keys in full - just the two arrow indicators for >shift and control. The longest style name is 15 characters (Minutes >Heading), the desktop font is Homerton Medium. I seem to recall looking at this once and concluding it was not my problem. Just looking again, it seems to me that if a menu gets so big it has a vertical scroll bar, then you see the above redraw problem. So besides OPro can you think of any programs with menus with key presses on which can be very long? I thought of Impression, and it has just the same problem. Maybe someone could report this to ROSL, unless you know of a counterexample... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 20:48:37 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118754 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 20:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950127435:20:06255:22; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:17:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118270; 9 Feb 2000 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04272 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:56:16 GMT Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04267 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:56:13 GMT Received: from [212.126.151.129] (helo=du-008-0129) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12IdDg-00048W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:56:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:56:10 GMT From: David Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: <64e5ca8d49.dpt@wrench.davespace> References: <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10a (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.10) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > I think I've just noticed a small one in 2.56. The style submenu isn't > > wide enough to show the shortcut keys in full - just the two arrow > > indicators for shift and control. The longest style name is 15 characters > > (Minutes Heading), the desktop font is Homerton Medium. > > I seem to recall looking at this once and concluding it was not my problem. > > Just looking again, it seems to me that if a menu gets so big it has a > vertical scroll bar, then you see the above redraw problem. > > So besides OPro can you think of any programs with menus with key presses > on which can be very long? > > I thought of Impression, and it has just the same problem. > > Maybe someone could report this to ROSL, unless you know of a > counterexample... Yes, a few tests revealed this to be a Wimp bug (it's reading the menu width from the wrong location). Matthew's fixed it in our (RISCOS Ltd) current internal build. I'm not sure if it will see the light of day in a patch for previous OS versions. Cheers, Dave -- David Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 9 21:57:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118756 for opro ; Wed, 09 Feb 100 21:56:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950130319:11:03143:21; Wed, 09 Feb 2000 21:05:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102857; 9 Feb 2000 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04412 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:35:34 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04407 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:35:33 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.59.159]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000209203631.OYCO8811.mta1-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:36:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:35:51 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <8319558d49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Feb, Alan Adams wrote: > In message <118420@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > >People should note however that it appears that using the pre 2.57 way of > > >implementing mixed leading characters does not seem to work any more > > >to all the sub index entries. This also seems to work but I seem to have > > >found a small bug in 2.57. > > Can I make a plea for the use of two terms? One for the vertical spacing of lines of text called leading and one for the string of dots or whatever between tabs called leadering. Thanks David for the choice of leadering string to individual tabs. Best wishes to all Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 01:45:14 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118763 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 01:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950142835:20:05982:52; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:33:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109807; 10 Feb 2000 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04819 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:02:13 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04814 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:02:11 GMT Received: from modem-30.nobelium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.70.158] helo=orchard-way) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12Ih3i-0004bp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:02:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:27:13 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: References: <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >I think I've just noticed a small one in 2.56. The style submenu isn't wide > >enough to show the shortcut keys in full - just the two arrow indicators for > >shift and control. The longest style name is 15 characters (Minutes > >Heading), the desktop font is Homerton Medium. > > I seem to recall looking at this once and concluding it was not my problem. > > Just looking again, it seems to me that if a menu gets so big it has a vertical > scroll bar, then you see the above redraw problem. > > So besides OPro can you think of any programs with menus with key presses on > which can be very long? > > I thought of Impression, and it has just the same problem. > > Maybe someone could report this to ROSL, unless you know of a counterexample... > I think you're right. I looked at Wimp_CreateMenu in the PRM and noticed word 16 of the menublock is the width of the following items. Then I looked in one of my programs which uses it and found the comment "system seems to ignore the width" after I had set it to zero. So it looks as though the combination of scroll bars and key indicators is broken. I suspect this was introduced at the time of proportional fonts for the desktop, at which point providing an accurate width became very difficult. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 01:45:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118765 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 01:45:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950143411:20:01977:32; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:43:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001580; 10 Feb 2000 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA04824 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:02:17 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04812 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:02:10 GMT Received: from modem-30.nobelium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.70.158] helo=orchard-way) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12Ih3h-0004bp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 00:02:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 23:19:34 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue 08 Feb, Alan Adams wrote: > > In message <118420@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >People should note however that it appears that using the pre 2.57 way of > > > >implementing mixed leading characters does not seem to work any more > > > >to all the sub index entries. This also seems to work but I seem to have > > > >found a small bug in 2.57. > > > > Can I make a plea for the use of two terms? > One for the vertical spacing of lines of text called leading and one for > the string of dots or whatever between tabs called leadering. > > Thanks David for the choice of leadering string to individual tabs. > > Best wishes to all > Bernard Thanks Bernard. After all the discussion about new features I finally know what they are talking about. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 02:56:44 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118791 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 02:56:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950150551:10:28824:17; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 02:42:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028730; 10 Feb 2000 2:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA05270 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 02:26:34 GMT Received: from www.bilboul.com (root@mail.bilboul.com [193.117.73.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05265 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 02:26:32 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by www.bilboul.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id CAA04543 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 02:25:50 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA25251; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 21:01:07 GMT Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 11:40:22 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 & $ meg A3010 Message-ID: <498D9D8138%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message colinc@argonet.co.uk (Colin Carnegie) wrote: > If you change the *final* Wimpslot max and min figures in the run file to > 1184k (DP approved figure), For 2.57? That's the figure I was using with 2.56, but when I carelessly copied it forward to 2.57 OPro refused to load: "Not enough memory for C library". As memory's no problem for me I changed it back to 1388k. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 13:08:53 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118800 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 13:08:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950176018:20:14491:31; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:46:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014272; 10 Feb 2000 9:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05900 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:30:25 GMT Received: from chalfont.mail.easynet.net (chalfont.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05895 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:30:22 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-10-80.easynet.co.uk [212.134.16.80]) by chalfont.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56AA6F82FD for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:27:08 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: <498e14ec64Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: References: <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Adams wrote: > In message <118662@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > >I think I've just noticed a small one in 2.56. The style submenu > > >isn't wide enough to show the shortcut keys in full - just the two > > >arrow indicators for shift and control. > > I seem to recall looking at this once and concluding it was not my > > problem. > > [Snip] > I think you're right. I looked at Wimp_CreateMenu in the PRM and > noticed word 16 of the menublock is the width of the following items. > Then I looked in one of my programs which uses it and found the comment > "system seems to ignore the width" after I had set it to zero. So it > looks as though the combination of scroll bars and key indicators is > broken. I suspect this was introduced at the time of proportional fonts > for the desktop, at which point providing an accurate width became very > difficult. The width supplied in CreateMenu is ignored (since proportional fonts) and calculated by the OS. -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 19:26:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118850 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 19:26:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950207779:20:14959:26; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014618; 10 Feb 2000 18:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06863 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:11:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06858 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:11:10 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.115) [193.149.91.115] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Iy3X-0001De-00; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:11:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:28:21 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 & $ meg A3010 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 9 Feb 2000 (11:40:22 +0000), chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk wrote: > > 1184k (DP approved figure), > > For 2.57? That's the figure I was using with 2.56, but when I > carelessly copied it forward to 2.57 OPro refused to load: "Not enough > memory for C library". (Famous Last Words) It has worked fine for me so far at the lower figure - even the !Label applet, which had previously given me trouble crashing OPro without warning when I had foolishly tried to save even *more* memory by going below 1184k has *seemed* ok... Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 20:50:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118862 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 20:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950212574:11:03382:23; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:56:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025886; 10 Feb 2000 19:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07042 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:00:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07037 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:00:48 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.109) [62.188.145.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Iypb-0002vH-00; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 19:00:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 18:45:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <498e483b9arichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Off topic, but aimed at PD via the list in case anyone else has ideas? Twice I've d/loaded O-Pro upgrade to 2.57, twice tried to open it with the same results. With SparkFS 1.36 running I click on the file and get an 'Abort on Data transfer' Now there's a problem.. Clicking a directory icon on a Blinds blind does nothing. Clicking on a hard disc icon - nothing (ADFS, Share or RAM). Clicking on Drive 0 returns 'Drive empty'. If I put a disc in, it whirs but no viewer opens. Yes this file (being edited in StrongEd) saves; drag and drop works. I have also just loaded Pluto by clicking on the Voyager Toolbar! There is apparently a major crash in the desktop somewhere. This with RO4.02. Computer is networked. Network is working (I can access discs on this computer from the remote computer). CTRL-Shift F12 gives another 'Abort on data transfer' error, clear that and a blank screen results, needing Ctrl-Break to reset. This behaviour is quite consistent. Any ideas? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 10 22:33:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118899 for opro ; Thu, 10 Feb 100 22:33:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950220867:20:07417:29; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:14:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006684; 10 Feb 2000 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07378 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:30:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07373 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:30:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12J1AI-0003EZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:30:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 21:00:08 GMT Message-Id: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Twice I've d/loaded O-Pro upgrade to 2.57, twice tried to open it with the >same results. >With SparkFS 1.36 running I click on the file and get an 'Abort on Data >transfer' >CTRL-Shift F12 gives another 'Abort on data transfer' error, clear that >and a blank screen results, needing Ctrl-Break to reset. The likely scenario is that you download the Zip file, but what you download is corrupt. SparkFS tries to read it, and crashes, in doing so it damages the insides of RISC OS. The latest (but non-released) version of SparkFS is much better about some sorts of damaged Zips. However this brings us back to the question the other day, given the upgrade file on the server is OK, given that a hundred people or so have succesfully downloaded it, why do some keep getting damaged files? If there's anything I can do to improve matters let me know... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 01:43:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118915 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 01:43:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950222624:11:25694:21; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:43:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125580; 10 Feb 2000 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07522 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:28:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA07517 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:28:10 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.221) [62.188.142.221] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12J24G-0003hG-00; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:28:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:27:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Entries to Search and Replace via a Macro? Message-ID: <498e5c9b82badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118112@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <118112@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there a way of scripting these as different Macros? > I suggest looking at the 'fluff' applet. > >Is there a way of setting the Find and Replace window so that it > >defaults to Case Sensitive being on? > I think not. Its a fuzzy area, because on the old Ovation these > settings were saved in documents. I *think* they're just left > uninitialised in OPro. > David Pilling Belated thanks David. I lost this reply for a while. 'Fluff' is now being (s-l-o-w-l-y) digested! Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 01:43:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118919 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 01:43:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950228735:11:00647:21; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:25:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017840; 11 Feb 2000 0:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07770 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:30:35 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07765 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:30:33 GMT Received: from modem-165.helium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.165] helo=orchard-way) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12J32e-0004fo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:30:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:29:32 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <1344628e49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >Twice I've d/loaded O-Pro upgrade to 2.57, twice tried to open it with the > >same results. > >With SparkFS 1.36 running I click on the file and get an 'Abort on Data > >transfer' > >CTRL-Shift F12 gives another 'Abort on data transfer' error, clear that > >and a blank screen results, needing Ctrl-Break to reset. > > > The likely scenario is that you download the Zip file, but what you > download is corrupt. SparkFS tries to read it, and crashes, in doing > so it damages the insides of RISC OS. > > The latest (but non-released) version of SparkFS is much better about > some sorts of damaged Zips. > > However this brings us back to the question the other day, given the upgrade > file on the server is OK, given that a hundred people or so have > succesfully downloaded it, why do some keep getting damaged files? > > If there's anything I can do to improve matters let me know... The most likely cause is that an invalid cached copy of the file exists on a proxy cache somewhere. Until it times out, it will be supplied for every request. The problem is caused by a performance/function trade-off. If you run a cache server, you are trying to reduce network traffic. Each time a page is requested, the cache server is supposed to connect to the source site, check the file date, and only supply the cached copy if the date hasn't changed. However this costs bandwidth, albeit less than fetching the file every time. The compromise is not to check the file date if the file was fetched *recently*. This *could* be as long as the last 24 hours. Depending on the caching mechanism used, repeated requests might even refresh the file's validity and hence delay a check with the source. There are three approaches if you get this problem. 1 Find another site with the file 2 Change the case of part of the HOSTNAME part of the URL. (Many servers are on Unix, where filenames are case sensitive. DNS isn't case sensitive, and is used to find host names.) 3 Wait until the cached copy has expired before trying again. The only thing the software supplier can do is provide mirror sites to enable option 1 to work, or provide both HTTP and FTP sources for the same reason. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 01:43:44 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118922 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 01:43:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950232943:20:05298:17; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 01:35:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125367; 11 Feb 2000 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA07944 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:27:51 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA07939 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:27:49 GMT Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.240.61] helo=fergusn) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12J3w4-000LoS-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 00:27:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 23:46:31 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (28 Jan 2000) ds-12, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Twice I've d/loaded O-Pro upgrade to 2.57, twice tried to open it with the > >same results. > >With SparkFS 1.36 running I click on the file and get an 'Abort on Data > >transfer' > >CTRL-Shift F12 gives another 'Abort on data transfer' error, clear that > >and a blank screen results, needing Ctrl-Break to reset. > > > The likely scenario is that you download the Zip file, but what you > download is corrupt. SparkFS tries to read it, and crashes, in doing > so it damages the insides of RISC OS. > > The latest (but non-released) version of SparkFS is much better about > some sorts of damaged Zips. > > However this brings us back to the question the other day, given the upgrade > file on the server is OK, given that a hundred people or so have > succesfully downloaded it, why do some keep getting damaged files? In my experience using Browse there does seem to be some corruption of the OPro archive during downloading. Having said that, that needs qualifying. The conventional way of downloading files with Browse is to click on a link with Shift held down to pop up a 'save as' box and status window. However, zip files (and other non-displayable types) will still be downloaded via a 'save as' box if clicked on without Shift held down, but via the main browser window. I have found when downloading OPro upgrades clicking on a link with Shift held down invariably fetches a good archive. The added advantage of this method is, if you hold down Ctrl as well, Browse will fetch a copy direct from the server and not from the cache. It's when clicking on a link without Shift held down that I've experienced corrupt archives. This probably applies to fetching any large archive with Browse, not just OPro upgrades. When David put the link for the 2.57 upgrade on the mailing list, I clicked on the link from Messenger and the result was a corrupted archive. I then knocked up a small bit of HTML with a link to the file so that I could Shift+click within a Browse window to download it and downloaded a good archive. YMMV, of course. You may not even use Browse. HTH John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 13:56:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118930 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 13:56:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950243292:10:14353:17; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 04:28:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112277; 11 Feb 2000 4:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA08432 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:43:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08427 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:43:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12J6zQ-000I2u-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 03:43:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 02:30:01 GMT Message-Id: <118925@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Testing 2.58 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.58 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252c.zip As you may have read 2.57 had a serious problem with tab leadering strings. 2.58 is an attempt to put this right and change as little else as possible, although a few new bits and bobs have crept in. If you've only just downloaded 2.57 I'd encourage you to wait a while to see if 2.58 is going to make the grade. As before *any document created or edited in 2.58 cannot be loaded into versions of the program older than 2.57*. Similarly the archive will only upgrade 2.52 to 2.58. If this version is OK, the other variants will follow shortly (i.e. the 2.46 to 2.58 upgrade). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 13:57:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118940 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 13:57:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950266459:20:14748:67; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:54:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108710; 11 Feb 2000 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09245 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:17:47 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09240 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:17:45 GMT Received: (qmail 21845 invoked from network); 11 Feb 2000 09:57:57 -0000 Received: from usern452.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (193.149.84.231) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Feb 2000 09:57:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Carter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:42:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <498e94de8dfruit@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> References: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14 (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, John Ferguson wrote: [snip] > In my experience using Browse there does seem to be some corruption of > the OPro archive during downloading. Having said that, that needs > qualifying. Works fine with Browse here. You're not using the broken MimeMap module are you? IIRC that came with an early version of WebGet. Andy -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 13:57:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118948 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 13:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950265926:10:00348:19; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:45:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128651; 11 Feb 2000 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA09203 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:00:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA09198 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:00:35 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.38) [62.188.132.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12JCsL-00058G-00; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:00:33 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:30:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <498e93c8c6richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Twice I've d/loaded O-Pro upgrade to 2.57, twice tried to open it with the > >same results. > >With SparkFS 1.36 running I click on the file and get an 'Abort on Data > >transfer' > >CTRL-Shift F12 gives another 'Abort on data transfer' error, clear that > >and a blank screen results, needing Ctrl-Break to reset. > The likely scenario is that you download the Zip file, but what you > download is corrupt. SparkFS tries to read it, and crashes, in doing > so it damages the insides of RISC OS. Yes: that was why I troed the second time. To download a corrupt file twice is bad luck! I usually d/l in the evenings and forget I have done so for a few days, so the two d/ls would have been spaced by a few days. > The latest (but non-released) version of SparkFS is much better about > some sorts of damaged Zips. Thanks for that: new version doesn't crash but reports 'Unidentified Header type found'. > However this brings us back to the question the other day, given the > upgrade file on the server is OK, given that a hundred people or so have > succesfully downloaded it, why do some keep getting damaged files? > > If there's anything I can do to improve matters let me know... I am sensitive to a potential bug in both our networked computers: we use a Calligraph printer and have always had more crashes with it than most. This clearly is another problem entirely! As usual Dave's been helpful beyond the call of duty. Thanks! Maybe third download will work! Thanks for other suggestions also. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 13:57:47 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118954 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 13:57:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950273314:10:22552:33; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:48:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122760; 11 Feb 2000 12:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09612 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:17:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09607 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:17:00 GMT Received: from ilfprep.demon.co.uk ([194.222.45.155] helo=ilfprep) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12JF0N-000CKK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:17:00 +0000 From:(Ovation Pro) Message-ID: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 12:12:26 GMT X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I edited a file with 2.57 and saved it as both OvnPro and DDL. Although the OvnPro file would not load with 2.56 (as expected) the DDL loaded quite happily. So I would think that this could be an easy way of retaining some compatibility with earlier versions if you need to circulate files. Terry Worton -- email sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 14:51:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA118973 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 14:51:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950278429:20:14099:39; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:13:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013366; 11 Feb 2000 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09849 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:42:16 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09844 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 13:42:15 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust111.tnt20.rtm1.nl.uu.net [213.53.14.111] with SMTP for id OAA22741 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:42:13 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005201bf7495$be8af4b0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk> <498e93c8c6richard@4qd.co.uk> Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:33:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Friday, February 11, 2000 Richard Torrens wrote > In article <118878@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >Twice I've d/loaded O-Pro upgrade to 2.57, twice tried to open it with the > > >same results. > > >With SparkFS 1.36 running I click on the file and get an 'Abort on Data > > >transfer' > > >CTRL-Shift F12 gives another 'Abort on data transfer' error, clear that > > >and a blank screen results, needing Ctrl-Break to reset. > > > > The likely scenario is that you download the Zip file, but what you > > download is corrupt. SparkFS tries to read it, and crashes, in doing > > so it damages the insides of RISC OS. > > Yes: that was why I troed the second time. To download a corrupt file > twice is bad luck! Why not just flush the cache of Webserve before you give downloading a second try? Or, if you don't want to do that, remove the (corrupt) archive manually from the cache? In both cases you are sure you get a fresh copy when downloading. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 18:33:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119003 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 18:33:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950281036:11:18537:22; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:57:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118685; 11 Feb 2000 14:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10191 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:27:50 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10186 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:27:48 GMT Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.240.61] helo=fergusn) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12JH2w-000OHH-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:27:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 14:18:19 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <498EB3A2CC%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498e94de8dfruit@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (28 Jan 2000) ds-12, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <498e94de8dfruit@argonet.co.uk> Andy Carter wrote: > In article <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk>, > John Ferguson wrote: > > [snip] > > > In my experience using Browse there does seem to be some corruption of > > the OPro archive during downloading. Having said that, that needs > > qualifying. > > Works fine with Browse here. You're not using the broken MimeMap module > are you? IIRC that came with an early version of WebGet. Nope, the ROM version built in to RISC OS 4.02 John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 18:33:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119008 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 18:33:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950293645:20:13014:28; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:27:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113080; 11 Feb 2000 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10759 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:58:10 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10754 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:58:08 GMT Received: from picarium.demon.co.uk ([158.152.149.128] helo=picarium) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12JKKV-000HTZ-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:58:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:25:39 GMT From: Alan J Pitcher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <2cdb8d8e49.alan@picarium.demon.co.uk> References: <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: None User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.30beta (MsgServe/1.30beta) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> John Ferguson wrote: >The conventional way of downloading files with Browse is to click on a >link with Shift held down to pop up a 'save as' box and status window. >However, zip files (and other non-displayable types) will still be >downloaded via a 'save as' box if clicked on without Shift held down, but >via the main browser window. > >I have found when downloading OPro upgrades clicking on a link with Shift >held down invariably fetches a good archive. The added advantage of this >method is, if you hold down Ctrl as well, Browse will fetch a copy direct >from the server and not from the cache. It's when clicking on a link >without Shift held down that I've experienced corrupt archives. > >This probably applies to fetching any large archive with Browse, not just >OPro upgrades. Hi, This cannot be as simple as stated, a problem with Browse. I have always downloaded OPro by just clicking on the link (or just typing in the url) and have never had a corrupt archive. I also regularly download other files, usually over 2Meg in size and again I have never had a corrupt archive with Browse. I only use the shift key when I wish to download several files at once. There must be something else interacting with Browse to cause the problems. Cheers. -- Alan J Pitcher mailto:alan@picarium.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 21:02:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119039 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 21:02:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950297957:20:12774:17; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:39:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122550; 11 Feb 2000 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10991 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:22:19 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10984 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:22:16 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-60.access.ch [212.161.130.188]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA31196; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:22:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:43:38 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <498c48299ddfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Subject: Multiple clipboards ..... or How to complicate life ..... Dear All, Having been abroad for some time and therefore not having been able to download version 2.57 of OvPro the following comments come somewhat late. Having read some of the comments on multiple clipboards since the existence of (the meanwhile retired?) version 2.57 of OvPro, allow me to suggest an alternative to the complications of finding what is saved on which clipboard. For this you only need to activate the general Pasteboard: Menu > View > Options > Pasteboard or SC-O Objects can be dragged directly from your document to the pasteboard. To transfer text set up several text frames on the pasteboard (create one first in your document, then drag and drop to the Pasteboard, if need be several times). Using Copy and Paste text can easily be moved or copied from your document to the text frames on the Pasteboard and back. You can even edit the text in the frames and resize the frames themselves on the Pasteboard. Using Alt-Select you can move the text while Alt-Shift drag will copy the text from one area to the other. Many facilities *not* available when using the Clipboard... Having the Pasteboard facility I wonder if it is wise to complicate the program with an extended Clipboard. It gives me a feeling of "B-G-ware". And adding complicated programming is asking for bugs. If I am not mistaken the general idea of the Clipboard is a one-off idea. A quick way to move one topic. The Pasteboard not only offers multiple choice but allows editing as well. It might possibly be a good thing if version 2.58 is programmed to set up a default document with the Pasteboard showing. So as to remind Users of its existence. By the way: Chapter 7 of the old manual certainly needs some updating. As this aspect is not mentioned at all. It will be done! Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 21:02:57 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119041 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 21:02:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950298800:20:01886:49; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:53:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002405; 11 Feb 2000 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10988 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:22:18 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10979 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:22:15 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-60.access.ch [212.161.130.188]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA31192 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:22:14 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:04:13 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Error message in OP 2.57 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <498d3351c2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Feb, Ray Dawson wrote: > > I select some text and copy it using Ctrl-C > > I then paste it using Ctrl-V and OP gives me an error message saying I > can't save a document when the Master page is open. > > Yes, I did copy over the !OvnPro folder and had Newer off when I upgraded. > > Any ideas? Yes, perform a complete reset or maybe even a Hard reset. I've experienced the same problem at several occasions. It has not necessarily anything to do with OvPro, but can be a combination of several programs "multi-tasking" at the same time but not always liking each other. I do at present not excude a conflict with Ovation v1.48 The error message is because of a clash with another program. I have as yet not succeeded in tracking it down. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 11 22:21:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119058 for opro ; Fri, 11 Feb 100 22:21:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950305194:10:11189:19; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:39:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115208; 11 Feb 2000 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11366 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:10:17 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11361 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:10:16 GMT Received: from fergusn.demon.co.uk ([158.152.240.61] helo=fergusn) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12JNKR-0009Lp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:10:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 20:52:31 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Can't open 2.57 archive Message-ID: <498ED7BA27%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2cdb8d8e49.alan@picarium.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (28 Jan 2000) ds-12, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2cdb8d8e49.alan@picarium.demon.co.uk> Alan J Pitcher wrote: > In message <498E63D25D%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> > John Ferguson wrote: > > > >The conventional way of downloading files with Browse is to click on a > >link with Shift held down to pop up a 'save as' box and status window. > >However, zip files (and other non-displayable types) will still be > >downloaded via a 'save as' box if clicked on without Shift held down, but > >via the main browser window. > > > >I have found when downloading OPro upgrades clicking on a link with Shift > >held down invariably fetches a good archive. The added advantage of this > >method is, if you hold down Ctrl as well, Browse will fetch a copy direct > >from the server and not from the cache. It's when clicking on a link > >without Shift held down that I've experienced corrupt archives. > > > >This probably applies to fetching any large archive with Browse, not just > >OPro upgrades. > Hi, > This cannot be as simple as stated, a problem with Browse. > I have always downloaded OPro by just clicking on the link (or > just typing in the url) and have never had a corrupt archive. I also > regularly download other files, usually over 2Meg in size and again I have > never had a corrupt archive with Browse. > I only use the shift key when I wish to download several files at > once. > There must be something else interacting with Browse to cause the problems. Which is, of course, why I added YMMV[1] on the end :-) In general, I have very few problems downloading files with Browse. John [1] Your milage may vary -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 12 02:03:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119097 for opro ; Sat, 12 Feb 100 02:02:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950312641:10:22226:17; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:44:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109870; 11 Feb 2000 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11643 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:10:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11638 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:10:11 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.118) [62.188.132.118] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12JPCT-0000qB-00; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 23:10:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 22:49:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <498ee26741badger.set@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <498c48299ddfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > For this you only need to activate the general Pasteboard: > Menu > View > Options > Pasteboard or SC-O Thanks for this advice John. I had never looked at the Pasteboard facility and it is just what I needed :-) Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 12 14:00:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119118 for opro ; Sat, 12 Feb 100 14:00:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950350456:20:10698:17; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:14:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010502; 12 Feb 2000 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12538 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:28:41 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12533 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:28:40 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.88] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12JYq2-0005Gk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:27:38 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:24:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:24:17 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <498ee26741badger.set@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard wrote: > On 11 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > For this you only need to activate the general Pasteboard: > > > Menu > View > Options > Pasteboard or SC-O > > Thanks for this advice John. I had never looked at the Pasteboard > facility and it is just what I needed :-) > > Richard. I had been wondering why I haven't had the urge to try out multiple clipboards and this probably the answer: the pasteboard is already an indispensable facility which we use extensively when building documents. Another tip: Menu-> Misc -> Preferences -> View and you can set the pasteboard to whatever width you want. You can easily make it big enough to take large frames of text or graphics. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 12 15:09:42 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119134 for opro ; Sat, 12 Feb 100 15:09:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950366853:10:15290:17; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:47:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015182; 12 Feb 2000 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13139 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:32:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13134 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:32:09 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.137) [62.188.130.137] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12Jdah-0005rG-00; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:32:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:29:10 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: The dreaded red underlines. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >From the document 'bugfix 257': 'Words with a hyphen in were not passed on to the SPELLCHECK event if they could not be found in the spell check dictionary. This has now been changed so that they are.' I thought that this meant that the trailing bit following a hyphen wouldn't get red-underlined any more if it didn't match a word from the dictionary. It still does on my 2.57. Am I doing something wrong, or is it still a bug? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 12 17:00:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119149 for opro ; Sat, 12 Feb 100 17:00:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950374177:20:20045:39; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:49:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127114; 12 Feb 2000 16:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13391 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:05:34 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.152]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13386 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:05:27 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.18.175]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:58:59 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 10:43:36 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro Message-ID: <498F23D082%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Bernard G. Hill" wrote: > Can I make a plea for the use of two terms? > ... leading and ... leadering Only if you tell us how to pronounce the latter. ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 12 17:00:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119150 for opro ; Sat, 12 Feb 100 17:00:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950374390:10:12258:25; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:53:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114168; 12 Feb 2000 16:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13477 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:38:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13472 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:38:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12JfZ2-000LqB-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 16:38:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:12:40 GMT Message-Id: <119137@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The dreaded red underlines. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>From the document 'bugfix 257': 'Words with a hyphen in were not passed on to >>the SPELLCHECK event if they could not be found in the spell check dictionary. >>This has now been changed so that they are.' >I thought that this meant that the trailing bit following a hyphen >wouldn't get red-underlined any more No its got nothing to do with that. It is talking about hard hyphens, like-this where you insert the '-' character yourself. Previously, whilst zzzzz would get passed to the event, zzzz-xxxx would not. The hyphens which plague you are soft ones, inserted by the program, and invisible (all too obviously) to the spell checker. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:45:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119177 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950391943:10:09563:17; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:45:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114447; 12 Feb 2000 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14033 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:14:01 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14028 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:13:58 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup054.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.216]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00701 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:12:30 GMT Message-ID: <001a01bf759d$438b9680$d894a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <1ffa78d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Colour separations Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 21:05:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Further to my recent enquiry on importing AW file into OvnPro which would not separate correctly (black separated as RGB, not just black), I now find I have similar problem with a sprite. It's shown as an indexed grey scale sprite in Photodesk, but when I import into OvnPro document, View separations shows up in all four of CMYK. Do same in Impression, and only black separation has any image as expected. Is this the same problem, or a different one? Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:46:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119200 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950446781:20:29645:17; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:59:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027001; 13 Feb 2000 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15492 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:25:04 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15487 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:25:02 GMT Received: from NTL ([194.168.14.169]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA25650 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:07:45 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:24:15 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro 2.52, moving disc etc Message-ID: <69ddb08f49.pbready@net.ntl.com> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Due to problems with my machine hanging up totally when using the Acornet/NewsHound/Popstar/Messenger Pro combination (although with no other software AFAIR) , I've had to resort back to my 1Gb disc from my current 8.3Gb as I'm told my problems must be hardware related (which seems to be the case as I've yet to have any problems using my 1Gb disc). Off topic I know, but has anyone else on this group had similar probs with RO4.02, SARPC etc? Anyway, to the OvPro problem... the above meant I had to copy what I needed back to the re-initialised 1Gb disc. This of course meant that OvPro is now complaining about not being installed on its original disc. Trouble is, much as I thought I'd kept all the upgrade archives, I'm at a bit of a standstill. I've reinstalled 2.46 from my original floppies, but would like to upgrade to the 2.58 version I had just put on my 8.3Gb disc before deciding to leave off using it for a while. However, the only upgrades on DP's site seem to go from 2.46 or 2.52 to 2.56, while the recent upgrades I applied were to 2.52, the old copy of which was copied and scrubbed, and so now complains as above. Can someone please remind me how we got 2.52 as I can't find an upgrade to it in any of the archives I thought I had kept (the naming convention of which I found so confusing I had to run each !Upgrade to find out what it did!) TIA -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:46:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119215 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:46:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950473523:20:26670:20; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:25:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107749; 13 Feb 2000 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16502 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:40:05 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16497 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:40:04 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-127.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.127]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA18269 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:40:02 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:42:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Alfred Chamings Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <38A6F6E8.D13F6FA6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: At home, 0131 664 1344 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 13 Feb, Alan Esplen wrote: > > I have just tried to down load 2.57 from the above URL but > get document not found (error 404) Have I missed something or this just > a glitch? > It has probably gone because we are on 2.58. Alter the 2.52b to 2.52c in the url and you should get it. -- Alf Chamings -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:46:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119222 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:46:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950467407:10:19953:17; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:43:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113211; 13 Feb 2000 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16150 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:27:01 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16145 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:26:59 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.81.137]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000021318264423902j92lne>; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:26:52 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:11:31 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm learning to use multiple clipboards, and having copied and pasted successfully, I find I can Type 5 v.2.57 repeatedly by going into Iconbar Menu -> Discard document and deleting one or more clipboards. Pros: I find mc's quicker than using the pasteboard to do the same job. Also saves screen space. Just as an idea, I imagine the technique could be expanded so that e.g. data from a spreadsheet could be pulled up with a macro and then poured into an OP table. JW -- ---------------- Fiel a la filosofia RISC ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:46:43 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119221 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:46:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950482601:20:28151:17; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:56:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027036; 13 Feb 2000 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16956 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:15:46 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16951 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:15:44 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.60.104]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000213221646.QPQ8811.mta1-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:16:46 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:03:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 and IdxPro To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <498F23D082%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 12 Feb, Chris Manning wrote: > In message > "Bernard G. Hill" wrote: > > > Can I make a plea for the use of two terms? > > > ... leading and ... leadering > > Only if you tell us how to pronounce the latter. ;-) > > Try 'Leedering' as a way to say it. It as the string which leads the eye from one element to another. Is that OK? The other term comes from the name of the metal type days, and is pronounced 'Ledding', but you already knew that. Isn't the english language a problem sometimes? I suppose you all know the schoolboy one of the 'village blacksmith beneath the spreading chestnut boff suffering with a hacking cow'. Bernard > > Chris > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:46:43 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119223 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:46:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950467978:10:06459:18; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:52:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006595; 13 Feb 2000 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16096 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:22:37 GMT Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16091 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:22:36 GMT Received: from [213.1.172.107] (helo=lintilla.stayfree.co.uk) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12K3f8-0002zM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:22:26 +0000 Received: from btinternet.com (owl.affection.ca [192.168.3.7]) by lintilla.stayfree.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04827 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:25:50 GMT Message-ID: <38A6F6E8.D13F6FA6@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:24:40 +0000 From: Alan Esplen Organization: Alan Esplen Graphic Design X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 References: <117857@pilling.demon.co.uk> <000b01bf6faa$cf5d87c0$361ee0c3@fayqxodp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Colin Beswick wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Pilling" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 01:59 > Subject: OvationPro 2.57 > > > > > > > OvationPro 2.57 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252b.zip > > > rnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Hi OVpro users I have just tried to down load 2.57 from the above URL but get document not found (error 404) Have I missed something or this just a glitch? Alan ------------------------------------------ Alan Esplen Great Waltham Essex England -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:46:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119229 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:46:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950476909:10:27953:17; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:21:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027894; 13 Feb 2000 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16744 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:34 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16739 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:33 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12K6Bz-000BNG-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:04:32 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:02:40 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <1e54e08f49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Having read some of the comments on multiple clipboards since the existence > of (the meanwhile retired?) version 2.57 of OvPro, allow me to suggest an > alternative to the complications of finding what is saved on which > clipboard. I've also written an applet that makes handling multiple clipboards much easier. It basically supplies a palette that give you icons to cut, copy, paste and view each of the configured clipboards. This will hopefully appear on the OvPro Resources site RSN (Chris' site, not David's). Anyone desperate for it, email me and I'll send it to you. Oh, and this version only works with 2.58 because of the new and very useful clipboard-related commands and events. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 16:47:21 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119243 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 16:47:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950536163:10:28381:17; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:49:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027964; 14 Feb 2000 13:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA18525 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:13:19 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA18520 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:13:17 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KLJS-0001JR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:13:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:13:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OPro resources update Message-ID: <49903932daC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Changes to the OPro resources site (url in sig). Updated IdxPro applet to version 1.06 Added Clipboards (multiple clipboard management applet) -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 18:10:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119279 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 18:10:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950547931:20:03222:24; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:05:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003176; 14 Feb 2000 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18952 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:40:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18947 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:40:53 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KNcJ-000CcK-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:40:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:09:36 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: References: <1e54e08f49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1e54e08f49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, I wrote: > I've also written an applet that makes handling multiple clipboards much > easier. Now on Chris' OvPro Resources site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). It's helpfully called !Clipboards. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 20:33:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119322 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 20:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950557760:20:15621:18; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:49:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125690; 14 Feb 2000 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19385 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19371 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KQpJ-000FNC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:29 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:00:25 GMT Message-Id: <119304@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm learning to use multiple clipboards, and having copied and pasted >successfully, I find I can Type 5 v.2.57 repeatedly by going into >Iconbar Menu -> Discard document and deleting one or more clipboards. The soon to be released HideDocs will fix this... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 20:33:52 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119325 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 20:33:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950557976:10:24922:17; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:52:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126730; 14 Feb 2000 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19441 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:09:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19436 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:09:47 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.36) [193.149.84.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12KQsT-0003Qc-00; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:09:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Jennings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 22:15:14 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.57 doesn't know get_style Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 8 Feb 2000 (20:50:19), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>When loading Ovation Pro since upgrading I get an error message saying: >>"Unknown identifier get_style at line 322 in >>!OvnPro.Applets.!THe.Library.THe." > >Just a guess, but possibly because applets like THe can't be dragged >from version to version, they have to be installed - they insert a >library of their own in the !OvnPro.Library directory. Probably that >is where get_style() is defined. > Good guess! I downloaded and reinstalled THe and all is well. Thanks David. Peter. -- Peter Jennings jennings@aaug.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 20:34:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119328 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 20:33:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950557979:20:26976:18; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:52:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100569; 14 Feb 2000 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19381 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19357 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KQpH-000FNC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:53:43 GMT Message-Id: <119300@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Further to my recent enquiry on importing AW file into OvnPro which would >not separate correctly (black separated as RGB, not just black), I now find >I have similar problem with a sprite. It's shown as an indexed grey scale >sprite in Photodesk, but when I import into OvnPro document, View >separations shows up in all four of CMYK. Do same in Impression, and only >black separation has any image as expected. Is this the same problem, or a >different one? My initial reaction is to say this is due to the colour choices use correction tables option. These are the so called 'curves' used by Impression, CC printer drivers and OPro (if you tell it to) to convert RGB into CMYK. It often surprises people that some sets of these are designed to convert grey RGB into things other than pure K. Now I'd expect Impression to show the same effect when set up to use the same curves. The one possible loophole is if it is a grey scale sprite. There may be a case for converting those to CMYK in a different way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 20:34:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119331 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 20:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950557981:20:27019:17; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:53:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101282; 14 Feb 2000 19:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19384 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19362 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KQpI-000FNC-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:58:21 GMT Message-Id: <119302@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro 2.52, moving disc etc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can someone please remind me how we got 2.52 as I can't find an upgrade to it >in any of the archives I thought I had kept (the naming convention of which I >found so confusing I had to run each !Upgrade to find out what it did!) There were 2.46 to 2.51 and a 2.51 to 2.52 patches. As of now you can only do 2.46 to 2.56. But be patient because before the end of the week I will release the 2.46 to 2.58 patch. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 14 20:34:12 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119333 for opro ; Mon, 14 Feb 100 20:34:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950558853:20:06007:18; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:07:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005876; 14 Feb 2000 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19515 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:24:33 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19510 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:24:31 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-58.access.ch [212.161.131.58]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA14851 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:24:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:17:51 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Borders To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <498d5bf8b9richard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard, On Wed 09 Feb, Richard Torrens wrote: > In article <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: snip a lot > Select a picture, Menu->Object->Modify gives the box. > > Save, it's a shame you inherited the manual and the menu structure! Some > features are well hidden in a place which is only obvious with hindsight! > The manual doesn't well explain where they are. And do I agree? Oh yes! Absolutely! But please allow me some time. Many chapters are already finished but only yesterday I added new changes to chapter 5. And to chapter 1 and to ..... Etc., etc. I hope to manage an easy "what is where" explanation in the new manual. Because I too face the problem you mention using the old manual. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 02:02:55 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119367 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 02:02:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950570356:10:02860:18; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 23:19:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1002642; 14 Feb 2000 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20289 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:02:04 GMT Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20284 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:02:03 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.67.211]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with SMTP id <20000214220106.WROP18331.mta2-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:01:06 +0000 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Back to 256 To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Both 2.57 and 2.58 downloaded and upgraded without any problems. I have found that using either of these versions has given me some grief. Version 2.58 broke down during printing the first side of an eight page magazine, displaying in the centre of the screen a completely blank dialogue box which would allow the pointer to move within it but not outside it until by chance some invisible button was hit. The machine was completely locked up, only the pointer showed any sign of life. Files which loaded OK in the first instance stubbornly refuse to load on future occasions. Fortunately I had DDL files which could be loaded but on saving again as OPro files they refused to load again. Because of this I have reverted to version 2.56. Is this just problems with my machine or have others had similar experiences? I have checked the Applets file, and NewFrames is not there, I understand that this has caused problems when an earlier version was used. If anyone has any ideas of things I could check, help would be very much appreciated. I am not using RiscOS 4 yet. Best wishes Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 02:56:16 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119392 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 02:56:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950583036:10:03439:17; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:50:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125311; 15 Feb 2000 2:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20819 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:34:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20814 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:34:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KXoc-000JHQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:34:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:05:52 GMT Message-Id: <119370@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Back to 256 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Version 2.58 broke down during printing the first side of an eight page >magazine, displaying in the centre of the screen a completely blank OK, crashes when printing are not pretty. I know there is one difference with 2.58, pre print passes are set up as on (OP print choices). They default off in the older versions. Of course there is the old tale about pre print passes needing to be on to print JPEG's via Turbo drivers. >Files which loaded OK in the first instance stubbornly refuse to load on >future occasions. What does 'refuse to load' actually entail? Was there an error message and if so what did it say? Did OPro crash? One guess would be the !Run file not getting updated, wimp slot too small and all that. But 2.58 should work even if the Newer copy option is not right. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 14:11:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119419 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 14:11:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950622524:20:01515:22; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:48:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114221; 15 Feb 2000 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21733 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:52:50 GMT Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21728 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:52:45 GMT Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-1-229.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.229]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CC9E4046 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:50:56 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:51:18 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: StrongEd loading with OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When I click on OvPro (currently 2.56) to put it on the iconbar, I get the banner with name, v. number & serial number, and then StrongED starts up a page 'Installing Applets' and a note telling me I already have StrongEd loaded (true). I can't remember what I changed to get this appearing. Can anyone tell me, please? I have !Applets inside the OvPro directory with the directory of Applets (& most other OvPro stuff) to keep everything in one place and not scattered around in different places. !OvPro is in $ so I can fire it up when I need it. It has been working happily (& correctly) for a long time previous to this aberation. I have just up-graded (4th attempt seems to have got close) to RO4, but OvPro was misbehaving for a few days before I did anything connected with that. TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 14:11:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119422 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 14:11:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950623654:10:20011:36; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:07:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026983; 15 Feb 2000 14:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21856 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:46:37 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21851 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:46:35 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KiJ9-0006yu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:46:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 13:46:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: StrongEd loading with OvPro Message-ID: <4990c01078C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Ian R. Platt wrote: > When I click on OvPro (currently 2.56) to put it on the > iconbar, I get the banner with name, v. number & serial > number, and then StrongED starts up a page 'Installing > Applets' and a note telling me I already have StrongEd loaded > (true). You must have a text file, or something else that is normally handled by StrongEd, within your !OvnPro.Applets directory. When OPro runs, it tries to run anything in the Applets directory, whether it is an applet or not. Purge your applets directory of anything that is not an applet. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 18:13:24 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119455 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 18:13:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950636822:20:03403:17; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:47:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003365; 15 Feb 2000 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22414 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119433 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 16:16:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950628413:20:07286:14; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:26:53 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net ([158.43.128.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007686; 15 Feb 2000 15:26 GMT Received: (qmail 18330 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2000 15:26:35 -0000 Received: from useraf09.uk.uudial.com (HELO useraf09) (62.188.131.250) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 15:26:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:22:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Duotone Message-ID: <4990c8d123dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Why does the duotone function not work correctly? For instance, if I have a graphic in OP and select duotone with red and black the graphic literally becomes shaded between red and black. To my mind, it should become a mixture of red, black and white (to allow for paper colour). Consequent to this I have had to duotone a picture in Photoshop on the pc rather than using OP, with the further consequence of now having to use a pc based dtp package for this particular job as there is no way (AFAIK) of getting the duotoned Photoshop graphic back to the Acorn in a format that can be read by OP without it reverting to multiple colours. Any chance of changing this please? Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 18:13:34 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119459 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 18:13:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950638183:10:29178:21; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:09:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029194; 15 Feb 2000 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22408 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:21:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22402 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:21:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KlfL-000Jiu-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:21:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:21:12 GMT Message-Id: <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Duotone X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >For instance, if I have a graphic in OP and select duotone with red and >black the graphic literally becomes shaded between red and black. To my >mind, it should become a mixture of red, black and white (to allow for >paper colour). Define how you want the white mixing in? You can always add a tint to the end point colours (which is the same as adding some white). >getting the duotoned Photoshop graphic back to the Acorn in a format that >can be read by OP without it reverting to multiple colours. Some programs can load Photoshop, e.g. Photodesk, but I don't know enough to comment on the technicalities. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 21:44:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119540 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 21:44:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950648300:20:25781:18; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:58:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120345; 15 Feb 2000 20:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22868 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:24:51 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22863 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:24:49 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup024.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.56]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10815 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:22:27 GMT Message-ID: <003f01bf77f2$73e8f0a0$3894a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <119300@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Colour separations Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:35:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >>I have similar problem with a sprite. It's shown as an indexed grey scale >>sprite in Photodesk, but when I import into OvnPro document, View >>separations shows up in all four of CMYK. Do same in Impression, and only >>black separation has any image as expected. Is this the same problem, or a >>different one? >My initial reaction is to say this is due to the colour choices use correction >tables option. These are the so called 'curves' used by Impression, CC printer >drivers and OPro (if you tell it to) to convert RGB into CMYK. >It often surprises people that some sets of these are designed to convert >grey RGB into things other than pure K. >Now I'd expect Impression to show the same effect when set up to use the same >curves. >The one possible loophole is if it is a grey scale sprite. There may be a case >for converting those to CMYK in a different way. Discussion with Tony Tolver at T-J Repro would seem to confirm Ovn Pro treats grey scale sprite as RGB. Impression with same curves treats grey scale correctly; Ovn Pro with same curves separates to CMYK, which is bad news. This is with correction selected. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 21:45:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119545 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 21:45:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950649219:20:24946:23; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:13:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024932; 15 Feb 2000 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22960 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:41:04 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22955 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:41:02 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup037.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.199]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11590 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:38:41 GMT Message-ID: <004c01bf77f4$b2c2ce20$3894a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Duotone Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:37:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For instance, if I have a graphic in OP and select duotone with red and >black the graphic literally becomes shaded between red and black. To my >mind, it should become a mixture of red, black and white (to allow for >paper colour). As I understand the term a duotone is strictly a combination of two colours (you can also create tritones and quadtones). However, Ovn Pro and I think ArtWorks, use a simple approach where one colour reduces from 100% to 0% while the other increases from 0% to 100%, both linear. In its fullest form, you can control the gradient of both colours independently, using Bezier curves. This would satisfy Dave's requirements. In the Mac and PC world, this facility is provided by Photoshop, so I guess it's over to Spacetech rather than to David Pilling, though it will be interesting to see what Vantage offers here. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 22:58:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119553 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 22:58:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950653903:20:10112:33; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009126; 15 Feb 2000 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23208 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:46:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23203 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:46:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Kpny-000C5K-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:46:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 20:54:41 GMT Message-Id: <119533@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures (revisited) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From: Mr R O Davis >After extensive correspondence on this topic about a month ago, >I have found a new but connected problem. >The original problem was that documents with coloured pictures >(sprites or jpegs) originally prepared on v252 would not print >with correct colouring on v256. We've now resolved this saga, it seems the trouble is postscript screening. One version is putting screen commands in the output and the other is not. 2.57 bug fixed various problems with this. The trouble was that in some situations where screen commands had not been explicitly set on or off they would not consistently default to either setting. See NewDocs.Bugs257 or NewDocs.Summary for more. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 22:58:55 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119555 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 22:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950653981:20:13454:17; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:33:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109861; 15 Feb 2000 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23259 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:03:59 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23254 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:03:57 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.82.103]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000215220338229023tohue>; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:03:40 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:59:17 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA23255 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB23259 Status: R On Fri 11 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Having the Pasteboard facility I wonder if it is wise to complicate > the program with an extended Clipboard. It gives me a feeling of > "B-G-ware". And adding complicated programming is asking for bugs. Bugs are for finding! In fact in this instance I've found incomplete trapping :-) Having practised using multiple clipboards I find I can Type 5 OPro 2.57 repeatedly just by going into Iconbar Menu ->Discard document and clicking on one or more of the clipboards. Interestingly PictureCache does not bomb out this version (so far). > If I am not mistaken the general idea of the Clipboard is a one-off > idea.=20 I tend to think otherwise, that this can lead on to become a much better tool, but that atm it's just unsophisticated. Already it is a quicker way to pour data into e.g. table slots, than creating several frames on the pasteboard - fewer actions and saves on screen space. One day we'll have simple but automatic table-making facilities=B9, with no doubt a merge facility transferring csv data via multiple clipboards. =B9without stepping on Dalraider's toes JW --=20 ---------------- Fiel a la filosof=EDa RISC ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 22:59:09 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119559 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 22:59:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950655645:20:11633:17; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:00:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126789; 15 Feb 2000 23:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23364 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:31:28 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23358 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:31:26 GMT Received: (qmail 27954 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2000 22:31:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.68.201) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2000 22:31:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:07:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Duotone To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4990c8d123dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 15 Feb, Dave wrote: <> > > Consequent to this I have had to duotone a picture in Photoshop on the pc > rather than using OP, with the further consequence of now having to use a > pc based dtp package for this particular job as there is no way (AFAIK) of > getting the duotoned Photoshop graphic back to the Acorn in a format that > can be read by OP without it reverting to multiple colours. > Can photoshop not output the result as a colour TIFF or JPEG (no compression to keep all detail) which you can move into OPro? I get confused with the term Duotone - what do you mean (what does photoshop give you)? and what does David Pilling think it is? Is OPro doing what David P understood a duotone to be, different from what Dave understands and expects? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 15 23:19:33 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119580 for opro ; Tue, 15 Feb 100 23:19:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950656677:11:05466:17; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:17:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105432; 15 Feb 2000 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23575 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:01:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23570 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:01:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12Kqxx-000BHL-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:01:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:57:02 GMT Message-Id: <119547@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Discussion with Tony Tolver at T-J Repro would seem to confirm Ovn Pro >treats grey scale sprite as RGB. Impression with same curves treats grey >scale correctly; Ovn Pro with same curves separates to CMYK, which is bad >news. This is with correction selected. What Impression does... is treat 256 colour grey images in a special way, as you say the curves are not used, and so grey does not spill into the CMYK plates. So if in Impression you have three grey images side by side, one 256 colours, one 16 and one 32 thousand, the greys in the 256 colour image will be represented by different CMYK to greys in the other images. I suppose they have to do that or else pure grey colours and colours close to grey in one image would come out with wildly different CMYK values. Anyway, what do you think is the ideal solution? repeating the Impression trick (which surely sets a trap for someone), allowing a button on the picture processing window to not colour correct the image? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 00:15:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119583 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 00:15:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950657987:10:27200:17; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:39:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027115; 15 Feb 2000 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23715 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:22:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23710 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:22:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12KrI6-0009x0-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:21:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:16:46 GMT Message-Id: <119573@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having practised using multiple clipboards I find I can Type 5 OPro 2.57 >repeatedly just by going into Iconbar Menu ->Discard document and >clicking on one or more of the clipboards. Interestingly PictureCache >does not bomb out this version (so far). If it needs saying, leave these special documents alone, if you discard them a crash will almost certainly follow. The new HideDocs applet will keep these internal OPro documents invisible. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 02:43:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119591 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 02:43:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950666314:20:02904:20; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:58:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001243; 16 Feb 2000 1:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24069 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:29:58 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA24064 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 01:29:56 GMT Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-2-029.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.29]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ACD81573D for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:29:44 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:03:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: StrongEd loading with OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4990c01078C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 15 Feb, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > When I click on OvPro (currently 2.56) to put it on the > > iconbar, I get the banner with name, v. number & serial > > number, and then StrongED starts up a page 'Installing > > Applets' and a note telling me I already have StrongEd loaded > > (true). > > You must have a text file, or something else that is normally > handled by StrongEd, within your !OvnPro.Applets directory. When > OPro runs, it tries to run anything in the Applets directory, > whether it is an applet or not. Purge your applets directory of > anything that is not an applet. > > Chris > Wonderful! Thanks Chris, that's done it :-) Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 13:04:01 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119600 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 13:03:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950694975:10:01761:18; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:56:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126270; 16 Feb 2000 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25010 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:13:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25005 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:13:56 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.236) [194.69.96.236] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12L0Wt-0007TC-00; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:13:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:55:44 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 15 Feb 2000 (23:16:46), OPro wrote: > >Having practised using multiple clipboards I find I can Type 5 OPro > 2.57 > >repeatedly just by going into Iconbar Menu ->Discard document and > >clicking on one or more of the clipboards. Interestingly PictureCache > >does not bomb out this version (so far). > > If it needs saying, leave these special documents alone, if you discard > them > a crash will almost certainly follow. The new HideDocs applet will keep > these internal OPro documents invisible. I've found that any attempt, even supposedly legal ones, to reduce a given number of clipboards, once created, causes a type 5 crash, even with HideDoc disabled - eg , I have my choices defaulting to one; if I use the new !Clipboard applet (or before that, Iconbar Menu->Choices->General->No of clipboards) to create eg 2 or more, then, after using some or all of them if I use !Clipboard or Menu->Choices to reduce the number of clipboards, or take it back to one, a type 5 occurs! (Both OP 2.57 and 2.58) Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 13:04:03 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119601 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 13:04:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950688022:20:24970:23; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:00:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105940; 16 Feb 2000 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24661 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:31:43 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA24656 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:31:41 GMT Received: (qmail 19159 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 07:31:40 -0000 Received: from useri202.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwzmb28@ukgateway.net) (194.69.105.66) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 07:31:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:10:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Duotone Message-ID: <49911fac60dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >For instance, if I have a graphic in OP and select duotone with red and > >black the graphic literally becomes shaded between red and black. To my > >mind, it should become a mixture of red, black and white (to allow for > >paper colour). > Define how you want the white mixing in? Rather than try to explain it, I'll send you a couple of GIFs later, one from the Photoshop duotone and another from OP so you can see the difference. I'll email them direct rather than plague the rest of the list with them too. > You can always add a tint to the end point colours (which is the same as > adding some white). But then any white takes on the tint. > >getting the duotoned Photoshop graphic back to the Acorn in a format > >that can be read by OP without it reverting to multiple colours. > Some programs can load Photoshop, e.g. Photodesk, but I don't know enough > to comment on the technicalities. Photodesk 3 didn't want to know this one. I've always found Photodesk to be next to useless for pictures with less than 256 colours anyway. After many weeks of fighting with PD2, ISTR being told by Spacetech that it wasn't designed for images less than 8 bit, and I should use something else instead for those. It is one of the more glaring omissions from the package, in my opinion, but that's neither here nor there. Cheers Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 13:04:08 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119603 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 13:04:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950688165:20:02499:40; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107977; 16 Feb 2000 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA24702 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:44:42 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA24697 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:44:40 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup043.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.205]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02811 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:42:24 GMT Message-ID: <006801bf7851$478a6700$3894a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <119547@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Colour separations Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:40:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: >So if in Impression you have three grey images side by side, one 256 colours, >one 16 and one 32 thousand, the greys in the 256 colour image will >be represented by different CMYK to greys in the other images. >I suppose they have to do that or else pure grey colours and colours close >to grey in one image would come out with wildly different CMYK values. >Anyway, what do you think is the ideal solution? repeating the Impression >trick (which surely sets a trap for someone), allowing a button on the >picture processing window to not colour correct the image? According to what I have read and understand a litho press can only represent a limited number of grey scales, probably much less than 256 so 32 thousand or 16M greyscale images would be illogical and a complete waste of time and space. An 8-bit greyscale image is intrinsically monochrome so I would argue always to treat it as a special case. Anyone who wants a monochrome image to separate into CMYK can convert it into an RGB or CMYK image first. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 18:02:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119630 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 18:02:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950714413:10:06425:19; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:20:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006321; 16 Feb 2000 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25651 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:00:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25646 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:00:47 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.188) [62.188.150.188] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12L5wb-0002iS-00; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:00:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:54:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Borders Message-ID: <49913f2f11richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <498d5bf8b9richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14 (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Richard, > On Wed 09 Feb, Richard Torrens wrote: > > In article <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > snip a lot > > Select a picture, Menu->Object->Modify gives the box. > > > > Save, it's a shame you inherited the manual and the menu structure! > > Some features are well hidden in a place which is only obvious with > > hindsight! The manual doesn't well explain where they are. > And do I agree? > Oh yes! Absolutely! > But please allow me some time. Many chapters are already finished but > only yesterday I added new changes to chapter 5. And to chapter 1 and to > .... Etc., etc. > I hope to manage an easy "what is where" explanation in the new manual. > Because I too face the problem you mention using the old manual. > Greetings > JohnvV Hullo John Don't know if I can help on the manual, but locating some problems can assist in finding answers... Firstly, on the whole the manual is quite readable and works pretty well. By it is extremely frustrating that if you look up virtually any feature via the index, tracking iit back to O-Pro's menu's is difficult, usually requiring one to read backwards sevaeral pages. If you need examples of that to clarify, I can easily supply. Second problem - that has not yet been solved (as far as I know) in any manual is typified by the following: I know what I want to do, but I do not know what it is called, so how do I find out about it through the manual? This seems insuperable. But is it? It's not simple to solve, but if a good introduction is written, explaining what the program does, how it sets out to do it and how it is organised, then anyone having read the intro may be able to guess where such a feature may be located. Such an intro is not easy: it needs to be well written, so interesting to read and it needs to be written by someone who knows the intricacies of the program yet someone who can blank their mind of all specialist knowledge, so they don't make assumptions. If the intro succeeded, it would also be about the best possible sales lead. However - I suspect this will be outside your remit! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 18:02:21 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119631 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 18:02:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950716258:20:07433:25; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:50:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006772; 16 Feb 2000 15:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25642 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:59:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25637 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:59:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12L5uo-0005gK-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:58:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:10:15 GMT Message-Id: <119610@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >According to what I have read and understand a litho press can only >represent a limited number of grey scales, probably much less than 256 so 32 >thousand or 16M greyscale images would be illogical and a complete waste of >time and space. And yet when I first tested this, it just so happend I picked up a 32K image which contained grey scale image. Also you're telling me you're never going to have an area of grey in a coloured image and wonder why it doesn't match an area of grey in a 256 colour image. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 18:02:30 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119635 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 18:02:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950717177:20:02462:33; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:06:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002461; 16 Feb 2000 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25774 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:23:58 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25769 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:23:57 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup047.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.209]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24503 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:39 GMT Message-ID: <007801bf7890$5fe30340$3894a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <119547@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Untidy borders Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:12:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have noticed that if you choose a double line border and apply it to one side only of a frame the outer line is longer then the inner line (so if the border is applied to adjacent sides of a frame both lines in the border meet correctly). Is there a way in which open ends of borders could be trimmed to match the end of the frame. At present I have to place frames over both ends to crop the border as I want it to appear. The other alternative would be to allow lines to have more styles such as double, treble and other combinations of lines just like borders. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 18:22:04 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119650 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 18:22:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950724991:20:22017:33; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118955; 16 Feb 2000 18:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26330 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:39:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26325 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:39:36 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12L8QI-000AWo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:39:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:36:03 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Colin Carnegie wrote: > I've found that any attempt, even supposedly legal ones, to reduce a given > number of clipboards, once created, causes a type 5 crash [snip] > if I use the new !Clipboard applet (or before that, Iconbar > Menu->Choices->General->No of clipboards) to create eg 2 or more, then, > after using some or all of them if I use !Clipboard or Menu->Choices to > reduce the number of clipboards, or take it back to one, a type 5 occurs! I've not seen this, although there are clearly a few minor problems with the clipboard still around. Is there anything unusual about your setup (e.g. does this still happen after a minimal boot, and/or with applets disabled)? Basically, it seems that, for most people, it is perfectly possible to create and delete clipboards if you follow the legal routes. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 20:40:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119654 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 20:40:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950727186:20:16000:23; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:53:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113401; 16 Feb 2000 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26449 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:24:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26444 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:24:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12L97r-000M8n-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:24:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:15:03 GMT Message-Id: <119646@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Untidy borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have noticed that if you choose a double line border and apply it to one >side only of a frame the outer line is longer then the inner line (so if the >border is applied to adjacent sides of a frame both lines in the border meet >correctly). I'm inclined to think the current situation is wrong... it should cut off flush where there is a side missing. For the time being, maybe a Draw file border would be a workaround. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 20:40:45 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119658 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 20:40:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950733163:20:28707:22; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:32:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028463; 16 Feb 2000 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26981 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:58:39 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26976 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:58:38 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.164] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LAaq-0003Bo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:58:36 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:45:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:46:15 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations Message-ID: <13d7649149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <119610@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >According to what I have read and understand a litho press can only > >represent a limited number of grey scales, probably much less than 256 so 32 > >thousand or 16M greyscale images would be illogical and a complete waste of > >time and space. > > And yet when I first tested this, it just so happend I picked up a 32K image > which contained grey scale image. Also you're telling me you're never going > to have an area of grey in a coloured image and wonder why it doesn't match > an area of grey in a 256 colour image. > Perhaps I've just not thought of a situation where it really does it matter, but I would expect greys in CMYK work to be a different game from monochrome work. Apart from anything else, you have the problem of 'rich black': black in process colour work usually has at least a percentage of cyan added, sometimes tints of other colours as well, to give a richer black (certainly true on the book covers I've done). So black is by design not necessarily confined to the key separation. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 20:41:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119659 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 20:41:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950726518:10:27776:26; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:41:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027698; 16 Feb 2000 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA26456 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:24:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA26451 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:24:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12L97t-000M8n-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:24:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:18:40 GMT Message-Id: <119648@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >virtually any feature >via the index, tracking iit back to O-Pro's menu's is difficult, There is of coure one card we can play with an electronic manual - that is to allow you to point at any button or menu, and open up the manual at the relevant page. I doubt things will get that far though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 20:41:10 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119663 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 20:41:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950730197:10:18870:17; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:43:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109801; 16 Feb 2000 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26741 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:03:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26736 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:02:58 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.96) [193.149.91.96] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12L9ix-0003Ml-00; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:02:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:02:12 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 14 Feb 2000 (14:09:36), john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk wrote: > > I've also written an applet that makes handling multiple clipboards > much > > easier. I have d/loaded it and find (vis-a-vis another post of mine on the subject) that OPro will Type 5 and crash if clipboards are added and then subtracted, and you then attempt to access any remaining clipboards, particularly if they have data in them when deleted. On a separate note, attempting to disable the applet with a double click gives me an error 'Cannot rename '.Apps.OPro.OvnPro.Applets.!Clipboard-' as it already exists' But otherwise I think it's a 'well done sir' to you Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 21:35:20 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119681 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 21:35:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950735546:10:19953:17; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:12:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019585; 16 Feb 2000 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27162 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:42:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA27157 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:42:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LBHS-0005zY-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:42:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:32:20 GMT Message-Id: <119651@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Back to 256 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One thing I have found is that if I print a particular document before doing anything else after a machine reset to Laser Direct then there is a crash. This appears to be due to 2.58 defaulting preprint passes on, older versions didn't have it set. See the Printer section of OvationPro choices. Once something has been printed, then the document will print OK, and of course printing to an Acorn printer driver works. Because there are no changes to printing in 2.58/2.57 I suspect this problem would appear in older versions too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 22:13:29 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119685 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 22:13:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950738220:20:03410:23; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:57:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002339; 16 Feb 2000 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27431 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:37:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27426 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:37:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LC8w-000LuJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:37:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:25:28 GMT Message-Id: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have d/loaded it and find (vis-a-vis another post of mine on the subject) >that OPro will Type 5 and crash if clipboards are added and then subtracted, >and you then attempt to access any remaining clipboards, particularly if they >have data in them when deleted. I've found and fixed this bug now. What you have to do is copy to say clip board #8, then reduce the number of clip boards so that there are less than 8, this forces the current clip board to be reset to the largest number left, and in making that change some vital data is corrupted. >On a separate note, attempting to disable the applet with a double click gives >me an error 'Cannot rename '.Apps.OPro.OvnPro.Applets.!Clipboard-' as >it already exists' Because you have 2 copies of it, one with a - suffix and one without. Delete one. I do think the Clipboard applet is an excellent job. I never thought they would be used like that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 22:59:50 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119687 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 22:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950741164:20:02721:20; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:46:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002476; 16 Feb 2000 22:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA27492 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:14 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [32.97.166.32]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27487 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:12 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.178.151]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000216215100229008gedge>; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:51:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:07:30 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <119304@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB27492 Status: R On Mon 14 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > > I'm learning to use multiple clipboards, and having copied and > > pasted successfully, I find I can Type 5 v.2.57 repeatedly by going > > into Iconbar Menu -> Discard document and deleting one or more > > clipboards. > > The soon to be released HideDocs will fix this... I'm just a little surprised to see this answer - my original was returned with a Failed Delivery notification from MailServer@blairs, hence a second article on this subject. Would that be Blair's of Downing Street, btw? JW --=20 ---------------- Fiel a la filosof=EDa RISC ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 16 22:59:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119689 for opro ; Wed, 16 Feb 100 22:59:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950741354:10:11508:17; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:49:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126069; 16 Feb 2000 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27649 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:28:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27644 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:28:52 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.244) [194.69.96.244] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12LCwD-0004MT-00; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:28:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:24:33 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 16 Feb 2000 (15:36:03), john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk wrote: > Is there anything unusual about your setup (e.g. does this still happen > after a minimal boot, and/or with applets disabled)? I don't think so. I do only have 4Mb memory, and so run with a final WimpSlot of 1184k rather than 1388k, but I seem to remember trying the same process with the larger figure and it still happened. I haven't checked yet whether it's an applet related problem, but it seems curious that it occurs both with !Clipboard and with the Iconbar->Choices route. I'll keep experimenting Colin C -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 01:35:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119693 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 01:34:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950743219:10:27295:17; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:20:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027245; 16 Feb 2000 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27809 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:02:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27804 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:02:07 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.44) [193.149.83.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12LDSP-0005Vz-00; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:02:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:49:30 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.24 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Feb 2000 (21:25:28), OPro wrote: > >On a separate note, attempting to disable the applet with a double > click gives > >me an error 'Cannot rename > '.Apps.OPro.OvnPro.Applets.!Clipboard-' as > >it already exists' > > Because you have 2 copies of it, one with a - suffix and one without. > Delete > one. No, that's not it. Definitely. I've looked everywhere, in the applets directory, in my Apps.OPro directory, in the !OvnPro application directory, in a backup 2.57 directory, and my original !Voyager downloads directory, and there is definitely _no_ !Clipboard- applet state.. What's more, the problem occurs wherever my copy of !Clipboard may be - eg if I shift it out of OvnPro.Applets and then try to disable it, or do so on one of the other copies Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 01:35:05 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119695 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 01:35:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950743499:10:04266:18; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:24:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101616; 16 Feb 2000 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27882 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:04:08 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27872 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:04:04 GMT Received: (qmail 9253 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 23:04:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 32709 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 23:04:03 -0000 Received: from 224.01-03.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.72.224) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 23:04:03 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:54:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Duotone To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <49911fac60dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 16 Feb, Dave wrote: > In article <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >For instance, if I have a graphic in OP and select duotone with red and > > >black the graphic literally becomes shaded between red and black. To my > > >mind, it should become a mixture of red, black and white (to allow for > > >paper colour). > > > Define how you want the white mixing in? > Rather than try to explain it, I'll send you a couple of GIFs later, one > from the Photoshop duotone and another from OP so you can see the > difference. I'll email them direct rather than plague the rest of the list > with them too. > Without sending your example files to the list, you haven't told the rest of us what you're aiming for. What David Pilling has provided under the name of duotone is a way of making an image shade from one colour to another. I understood the old definition of a duotone to be reproducing a single greyscale with 2 halftone plates, one optimised to reproduce the shadows and the other to reproduce the highlights, as a way of reproducing more shades than a single halftone will achieve. I think that Dave is after this, but to print one of the plates in a spot colour. One way of achieving this in Ovation Pro might be to place the original greyscale, modify it if necessary, duplicate the frame in the same place. Set the new frame to transparent background, make the 2nd image a duotone (Opro definition) from spot colour to white (or transparent) with suitable mdifications to gamma etc, and ensure that the spot colour and the black of the first image are set to overprint. Hopefully the two separations will print and can be combined as usual on the litho press. If you are after a composite print on a colour printer or for screen use this will probably not work. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 01:35:08 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119696 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 01:35:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950743872:10:11182:17; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1010708; 16 Feb 2000 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27761 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:49:26 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27755 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:49:24 GMT Received: from modem-13.hydrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.0.13] helo=orchard-way) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 12LDG7-0002Oc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:49:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:48:50 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Borders Message-ID: <0f8e759149.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <498d5bf8b9richard@4qd.co.uk> <49913f2f11richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49913f2f11richard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49913f2f11richard@4qd.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > Richard, > > > On Wed 09 Feb, Richard Torrens wrote: > > > In article <116394@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > > David Pilling wrote: > > > snip a lot > > > Second problem - that has not yet been solved (as far as I know) in any > manual is typified by the following: > > I know what I want to do, but I do not know what it is called, so how do I > find out about it through the manual? This is the reason I hate StrongHelp manuals. The problem is that they are, quite accurately, described as manuals. What is needed is a User Guide. The StrongHelp structure doesn't work for this. A user guide tells you how to do things. The reference manual tells you what the features do. So if you want to know how to mail-merge you need the user guide, If you want to know what the next button in the mail-merge window does, you need the reference manual. Incidentally my first step with new software (including operating systems) is usually to read the manual, cover to cover. (In the case of VMS, it was 9 feet of manuals, and it took me a week.) Afterwards I may not understand it completely, but I know what can be found in the manual, and I would hope to have a reasonable grasp of what the thing is for. How do you do that with StrongHelp? -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 01:35:11 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119697 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 01:35:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950743967:10:13146:21; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:32:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125702; 16 Feb 2000 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27870 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:04:04 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27865 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:04:02 GMT Received: (qmail 26143 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 23:04:02 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 23:04:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 32707 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 23:04:00 -0000 Received: from 224.01-03.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.72.224) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 23:04:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:47:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Colour separations To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <006801bf7851$478a6700$3894a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 16 Feb, Mike Williams wrote: > > According to what I have read and understand a litho press can only > represent a limited number of grey scales, probably much less than 256 so 32 > thousand or 16M greyscale images would be illogical and a complete waste of > time and space. I think that it is only colour images which have quoted colour depths of 32K or 16.7M, the latter being RGB at 256 levels in each colour. A 256 colour image can be either 256 grey levels or 6.35 in each of 3 colours - RGB - (or 4 levels in each of 4 colours - CMYK). Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 01:35:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119698 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 01:35:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950744343:10:29456:17; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:39:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107060; 16 Feb 2000 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27884 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:04:10 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27877 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:04:06 GMT Received: (qmail 9256 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 23:04:06 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 23:04:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 32714 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2000 23:04:05 -0000 Received: from 224.01-03.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.72.224) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 16 Feb 2000 23:04:05 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:55:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Colour separations To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <119610@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 16 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > And yet when I first tested this, it just so happend I picked up a 32K image > which contained grey scale image. Also you're telling me you're never going > to have an area of grey in a coloured image and wonder why it doesn't match > an area of grey in a 256 colour image. > Unless you have a colour and greyscale of the same image, with a known neutral grey in both which should match, I would be surprised if there was a problem. Perception of the grey in the colour image will be affected by the surrounding colours in the image, the lighting when viewing and even the background - coloured table/cloth, wooden (look) desk, etc. I would expect a true greyscale image always to print on the black plate only when separated. If it looked like a greyscale but was actually David's 32k colours sprite it would have to be treated as a colour image, but with under-colour removal (grey component removal) might reasonably be expected to be mostly on the black plate - particularly the shadows. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 03:20:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119707 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 03:20:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950754480:11:04388:17; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:28:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020101; 17 Feb 2000 2:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28899 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:37:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28894 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:37:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LFsi-000LGw-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 01:37:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:02:03 GMT Message-Id: <119690@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >my original was >returned with a Failed Delivery notification from MailServer@blairs, >hence a second article on this subject. What sometimes happens is that your message goes to the list, and is mailed out to all the subscribers, and one of their hosts bounces back to you, the original poster, rather than to the list. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:35:54 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119708 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:35:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950758770:20:22267:28; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:39:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020909; 17 Feb 2000 3:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29191 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:23:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29184 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:23:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LHWw-000DLW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:23:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:34:12 GMT Message-Id: <119703@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would expect a true greyscale image always to print on the black plate only >when separated. Quite, what they do is define a set of colour correction curves which maps grey all over the CMY plates, and then wonder why grey images do this. For the record Impression makes a special case of grey text, and Draw files which contain just greys, but treats a grey frame background as RGB colour. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:35:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119710 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:35:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950761074:20:22976:17; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 04:17:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117104; 17 Feb 2000 4:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29189 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:23:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29179 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:23:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LHWu-000DLW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:23:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 02:33:14 GMT Message-Id: <119701@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: 2.58 Released... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The OvationPro pages on my netlink site (URL below) have gone over to version 2.58. That means you can access upgrades from 2.52 and 2.46 to 2.58 from the upgrades page. The 2.52 upgrade is exactly what has been available for the last week. 2.46 users who can now (at last!) get 2.58, might find it useful to look in the NewDocs.Summary file for the documentation on what was new and bug fixed in 2.57. There is also a copy of 2.58 in the usual place for those with registered copies (as opposed to Beebug copy protected versions). (A Beebug version flashes up (c) Beebug when it starts). Only a handful of people have these, and they know who they are. The applets page has new HideDoc and Document applets that don't show multiple clipboards etc., and a JoinLine applet with the correct button sprites. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119712 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950771206:10:12985:17; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:06:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011947; 17 Feb 2000 7:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA29867 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:42:20 GMT Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA29862 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:42:18 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.81.67]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000021706420825200ji4ate>; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:42:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:55:12 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Duotone To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49911fac60dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id GAA29863 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id GAB29867 On Wed 16 Feb, Dave wrote: > In article <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > Define how you want the white mixing in? > Rather than try to explain it, I'll send you a couple of GIFs later, > one from the Photoshop duotone and another from OP so you can see the > difference. I'll email them direct rather than plague the rest of the > list with them too. How about mailing Cerilica to see if Vantage has the bezier curve control? They have on occasion processed the odd job for enquirers, so you might get a finished product back. Let us know of any useful outcome. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCo en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119713 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950768771:20:12195:21; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:26:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011873; 17 Feb 2000 6:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29632 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:55:04 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29627 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:55:01 GMT Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-1-066.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.66]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CD0F115792 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:54:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:13:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > > >I have d/loaded it and find (vis-a-vis another post of mine on the subject) > >that OPro will Type 5 and crash if clipboards are added and then subtracted, > >and you then attempt to access any remaining clipboards, particularly if they > >have data in them when deleted. > > I've found and fixed this bug now. > > What you have to do is copy to say clip board #8, then reduce the number of > clip boards so that there are less than 8, this forces the current clip > board to be reset to the largest number left, and in making that change > some vital data is corrupted. > > > >On a separate note, attempting to disable the applet with a double click gives > >me an error 'Cannot rename '.Apps.OPro.OvnPro.Applets.!Clipboard-' as > >it already exists' > > Because you have 2 copies of it, one with a - suffix and one without. Delete > one. > > > I do think the Clipboard applet is an excellent job. I never thought they ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > would be used like that. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > David Pilling > Layers, David. (No, not hens). I know we've been here before, but it just goes to show how inventive some folk are, dunnit? Thanks for the continuing work David. Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pbready@net.ntl.com Thu Feb 17 13:36:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119714 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950771271:11:24521:6; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:07:51 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net ([194.168.222.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124310; 17 Feb 2000 7:07 GMT Received: from NTL ([212.250.143.211]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA2154 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:20:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:42:32 GMT From: Pete Bready To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: References: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I do think the Clipboard applet is an excellent job. I never thought they > would be used like that. > I'd second that with a minor and ever-so-'umble suggestion for an indication if a particular clipboard has contents, either by greying out copy, paste and view if it's empty, or with some sexy icons instead of words... -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:11 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119715 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950769236:20:12866:31; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 06:33:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011480; 17 Feb 2000 6:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA29638 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:55:07 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29633 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:55:04 GMT Received: from platt.gol.com (tc-1-1-066.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.66]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C4921578F for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:54:48 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:07:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Colour separations To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <13d7649149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Feb, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > > > >According to what I have read and understand a litho press can only > > >represent a limited number of grey scales, probably much less than 256 so 32 > > >thousand or 16M greyscale images would be illogical and a complete waste of > > >time and space. > > > > And yet when I first tested this, it just so happend I picked up a 32K image > > which contained grey scale image. Also you're telling me you're never going > > to have an area of grey in a coloured image and wonder why it doesn't match > > an area of grey in a 256 colour image. > > > Perhaps I've just not thought of a situation where it really does > it matter, but I would expect greys in CMYK work to be a > different game from monochrome work. Apart from anything else, > you have the problem of 'rich black': black in process colour > work usually has at least a percentage of cyan added, sometimes > tints of other colours as well, to give a richer black (certainly > true on the book covers I've done). So black is by design not > necessarily confined to the key separation. So, "Black Is Black ", eh. ;-) > David -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:18 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119717 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950773180:20:03704:18; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:39:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002941; 17 Feb 2000 7:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30019 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:11:03 GMT Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA30014 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:11:01 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LL5W-0003jL-0Y for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 07:11:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:46:27 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <3156759149.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In a previous posting, Colin Carnegie wrote: > On Mon 14 Feb 2000 (14:09:36), john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > I've also written an applet that makes handling multiple clipboards > > much > > > easier. > > I have d/loaded it and find (vis-a-vis another post of mine on the subject) > that OPro will Type 5 and crash if clipboards are added and then > subtracted, and you then attempt to access any remaining clipboards, > particularly if they have data in them when deleted. See my other email - I've not heard of this problem from anyone else so it may be something unique to your setup if this is happening all the time (which is what I think you said). I can certainly create and remove clipboards 'legally' without problems most of the time. I will admit to having seen the Type 5 occasionally, both on creating and deleting clipboards and on accessing them. Most of this, however, I put down to development problems but it does still happen very occasionally. This obviously needs clearing up but it's surely not a huge problem? Creating and deleting clipboards is not something that I'd expect needs doing a lot in real life. Simply choose however many clipboards you need and then use them. > On a separate note, attempting to disable the applet with a double click > gives me an error 'Cannot rename > '.Apps.OPro.OvnPro.Applets.!Clipboards-' as it already exists' Yes, I realised after it was all finished and sent off that the name I'd given it was 10 characters long, which means pre-RO4 systems won't be able to rename it (the hyphen on the end gets truncated off so the name is the same as before). Simply rename it to !Clipboard (i.e. lose the final 's') and it should work fine. The applet name is irrelevant to its function. > But otherwise I think it's a 'well done sir' to you Ta :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119727 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950777346:20:01718:23; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:49:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105234; 17 Feb 2000 8:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30311 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:24:51 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30306 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:24:49 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.226] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LMEx-0001qJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:24:48 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:19:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:20:50 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations Message-ID: <86eca99149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Ian R. Platt" wrote: > On Wed 16 Feb, David Graddol wrote: > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >According to what I have read and understand a litho press can only > > > >represent a limited number of grey scales, probably much less than 256 so 32 > > > >thousand or 16M greyscale images would be illogical and a complete waste of > > > >time and space. > > > > > > And yet when I first tested this, it just so happend I picked up a 32K image > > > which contained grey scale image. Also you're telling me you're never going > > > to have an area of grey in a coloured image and wonder why it doesn't match > > > an area of grey in a 256 colour image. > > > > > Perhaps I've just not thought of a situation where it really does > > it matter, but I would expect greys in CMYK work to be a > > different game from monochrome work. Apart from anything else, > > you have the problem of 'rich black': black in process colour > > work usually has at least a percentage of cyan added, sometimes > > tints of other colours as well, to give a richer black (certainly > > true on the book covers I've done). So black is by design not > > necessarily confined to the key separation. > > So, "Black Is Black ", eh. ;-) > Well, it's wrong to equate the 'K' separation in CMYK process straightforwardly with 'black'. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119730 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950782767:20:16072:42; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:19:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110086; 17 Feb 2000 10:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30565 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:50:17 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30560 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:50:16 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup012.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.44]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05474 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:48:10 GMT Message-ID: <00bb01bf792a$9ec71de0$3894a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <119703@pilling.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Colour separations Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 09:36:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > For the record Impression makes a special case of grey text, and Draw files > which contain just greys, but treats a grey frame background as RGB colour. In Impression you explicitly choose colours as RGB colours or as CMYK colours. Set a frame background to 50% black in RGB and of course it separates onto the CMY & K plates. Define the background in 50% black in CMYK and the black appears only on the black plate. It's quite important when doing things like adding borders to frames, setting backgrounds to choose CMYK black, unless as David Graddoll says, by design, you really do want black underprinted by cyan, say. But then you would define a CMYK colour as, say, 50% cyan and 100% black. If you choose RGB black then misregistration can give less than perfect results. An example is white text on a black background - choose CMYK black unless you know registration will be spot on. Impressions default is to RGB colours, which is perhaps unfortunate. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 13:36:59 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119734 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 13:36:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950792391:20:11603:18; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:59:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120980; 17 Feb 2000 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30935 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:28:44 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30930 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:28:42 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.108] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 12LQ2w-0001Je-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:28:38 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:17:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:18:06 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations Message-ID: <59a5bf9149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00bb01bf792a$9ec71de0$3894a8c2@akalat> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Mike Williams" wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > For the record Impression makes a special case of grey text, and Draw > files > > which contain just greys, but treats a grey frame background as RGB > colour. > > In Impression you explicitly choose colours as RGB colours or as CMYK > colours. Set a frame background to 50% black in RGB and of course it > separates onto the CMY & K plates. Define the background in 50% black in > CMYK and the black appears only on the black plate. > > It's quite important when doing things like adding borders to frames, > setting backgrounds to choose CMYK black, unless as David Graddoll says, by > design, you really do want black underprinted by cyan, say. But then you > would define a CMYK colour as, say, 50% cyan and 100% black. If you choose > RGB black then misregistration can give less than perfect results. An > example is white text on a black background - choose CMYK black unless you > know registration will be spot on. > > Impressions default is to RGB colours, which is perhaps unfortunate. > I understand that one of the (several) reasons why no Microsoft product is taken seriously in prepress is because they are based on an RGB colour model, giving rise to exactly these problems of conversion to CMYK. These problems of conversion between colour models are quite important to us because we do a fair bit of 'dual route' publishing: material that is both litho printed and which is used to create digital books or CD-ROMs. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 14:37:02 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119748 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 14:37:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950795931:20:24202:50; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:58:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023815; 17 Feb 2000 13:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31207 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:27:03 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31202 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:27:01 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id OAA1284210; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:27:01 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:19:00 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2.58 Released... Message-ID: References: <119701@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <119701@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <119701@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > The OvationPro pages on my netlink site (URL below) have gone over to > version 2.58. But I found that the upgrades on your other site: (http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk) contain upgrade to version 2.56 instead, which is confusing! -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 16:31:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119761 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 16:31:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950801414:11:24976:86; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:30:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115730; 17 Feb 2000 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA31459 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:39:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31450 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:39:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LS5Y-000Nnm-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:39:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:51:16 GMT Message-Id: <119738@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour separations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In Impression you explicitly choose colours as RGB colours or as CMYK >colours. Set a frame background to 50% black in RGB and of course it >separates onto the CMY & K plates. Yes of course... thats a helpful comment because it suggests all we are arguing about is what colour space the greys in grey images are defined in. Imagine if RISC OS supported a CMYK type with a palette. But anyway thinking about things like this may make doing something about it easier for me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 16:31:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119762 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 16:31:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950805196:20:23755:25; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:33:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022874; 17 Feb 2000 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31674 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:58:37 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31669 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:58:35 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-55.access.ch [212.161.128.247]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17265 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:58:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:56:57 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Untidy borders To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <007801bf7890$5fe30340$3894a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Feb, Mike Williams wrote: > I have noticed that if you choose a double line border and apply it to one > side only of a frame the outer line is longer then the inner line (so if the > border is applied to adjacent sides of a frame both lines in the border meet > correctly). Is there a way in which open ends of borders could be trimmed to > match the end of the frame. At present I have to place frames over both ends > to crop the border as I want it to appear. Another way: make a copy of the frame, slightly wider, empty it and put it behind the original frame. This way you can also create a different amount of lines left and right. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 18:24:10 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119773 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 18:24:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950806710:20:09019:49; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:58:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114563; 17 Feb 2000 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31868 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:34:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31863 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:34:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LTsa-0000PY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:34:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:37:58 GMT Message-Id: <119749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2.58 Released... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But I found that the upgrades on your other site: >(http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk) contain upgrade to version 2.56 >instead, which is confusing! aaarrrgh! its a feature not a bug. It means the old versions are still available for sometime should you need them. Also it encourages you to use the netlink site which has higher bandwidth. I'll probably change the demon site in a week or so. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 18:24:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119775 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 18:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950806861:20:12463:59; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:01:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011293; 17 Feb 2000 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31798 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:26:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31792 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:26:49 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 12LTlP-0000VF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:26:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:26:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Duotone To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 16 Feb, Anthony Hilton wrote: > What David Pilling has provided under the name of duotone is a way of making > an image shade from one colour to another. > > I understood the old definition of a duotone to be reproducing a single > greyscale with 2 halftone plates, one optimised to reproduce the shadows and > the other to reproduce the highlights, as a way of reproducing more shades > than a single halftone will achieve. > > I think that Dave is after this, but to print one of the plates in a spot > colour. > > One way of achieving this in Ovation Pro might be to place the original > greyscale, modify it if necessary, duplicate the frame in the same place. Set > the new frame to transparent background, make the 2nd image a duotone (Opro > definition) from spot colour to white (or transparent) with suitable > mdifications to gamma etc, and ensure that the spot colour and the black of > the first image are set to overprint. Hopefully the two separations will > print and can be combined as usual on the litho press. If you are after a > composite print on a colour printer or for screen use this will probably not > work. A duotone is not always extending the greyscale. It can also be used to get a colour shade effect that varies along the greyscale. The main thing is that it has to produce two or more films/plates for printing to get the effect. The image will look smoother as well with two screens/greyscales. The old duotone was the answer of offset and autotype to the nice grayscale and smoothness of rotation gravure. There are problems with PostScript display of duotones as in PDF. If David wants to avoid problems on that aspect he has to study how Adobe will implant duotones in PDF (as a graphic industry format and as a web format). It could be that the menu should allow the options * for another 'spot'colour or * translating the other plate to CMY. If a duotone is used in a two colour print job the first choice is the only choice. If a duotone is used in combination with four colour printing the last option will be sensible. This will also make it possible to simulate duotone in composite print and maybe for PDF documents). Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 18:24:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119776 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 18:24:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950807855:10:21816:69; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:17:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022484; 17 Feb 2000 17:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31804 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:26:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31799 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:26:53 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 12LTlQ-0000VF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:26:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:50:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Colour separations To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <00bb01bf792a$9ec71de0$3894a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 17 Feb, Mike Williams wrote: > In Impression you explicitly choose colours as RGB colours or as CMYK > colours. Set a frame background to 50% black in RGB and of course it > separates onto the CMY & K plates. Define the background in 50% black in > CMYK and the black appears only on the black plate. > > It's quite important when doing things like adding borders to frames, > setting backgrounds to choose CMYK black, unless as David Graddoll says, by > design, you really do want black underprinted by cyan, say. But then you > would define a CMYK colour as, say, 50% cyan and 100% black. If you choose > RGB black then misregistration can give less than perfect results. An > example is white text on a black background - choose CMYK black unless you > know registration will be spot on. Misregistration will give less than perfect results when you choose black underprinted by cyan = 'rich black' as well. In ArtWorks you could get a black text + outline overprinted on the same cyan text underneath with the outline made white. Trapping in a sense. This allows some misregistration. Greys can be smoother when defined in RGB (= all CMYK, depending on the amount of colour removal) than if they are defined in K only. But on the other hand it could introduce colour shifts and misregistration. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 18:24:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119777 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 18:24:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950808070:20:15592:22; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111226; 17 Feb 2000 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA32030 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:51:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA31452 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:39:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LS5a-000Nnm-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:39:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:54:46 GMT Message-Id: <119740@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Help needed... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul Beverley, editor of Archive magazine, indicated to me yesterday that he was thinking of moving from Impression to OvationPro. That would probably be a good thing for the future of OPro, and I'll offer him all the support I can. However he said; "If I were to do it, I think I'd need to find some kind volunteer to produce a dummy layout for the magazine and also maybe see if there's someone local who could be around at the time I do the first ever paste-up, just to give a few helpful hints." So if there's anyone in Norwich with OPro who could help... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 18:24:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119779 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 18:24:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950808594:20:26644:73; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:29:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103845; 17 Feb 2000 17:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32156 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:05:51 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32151 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:05:49 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11897 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:05:38 +0100 Message-Id: <200002171705.SAA11897@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 17 Feb 2000 08:33:09 GMT Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >>On a separate note, attempting to disable the applet with a double click gives >>me an error 'Cannot rename '.Apps.OPro.OvnPro.Applets.!Clipboard-' as >>it already exists' > >Because you have 2 copies of it, one with a - suffix and one without. Delete >one. > No, !Clipboard will have to get a new name. !Clipboard is already 10 chars and the additional "-" gets truncated instantly... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 18:24:35 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119784 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 18:24:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950811680:20:14263:21; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:21:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125164; 17 Feb 2000 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32383 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:33 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32378 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:32 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LUcN-0006B7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:21:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Web site unavailability Message-ID: <4991db6ad2C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is just to notify anyone interested that due to major electrical work being undertaken in the chemistry department here, my alternative web site will be unavailable throughout this coming weekend (Friday evening 18th Feb to Monday morning 21st Feb). Sorry for any inconvenience but it is beyond my control. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 19:16:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119789 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 19:16:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950812818:20:11601:24; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:40:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101237; 17 Feb 2000 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32527 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:38:55 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32517 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:38:52 GMT Received: (qmail 27057 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2000 17:38:51 -0000 Received: from usercp69.uk.uudial.com (HELO usercp69) (62.188.156.98) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 17:38:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:30:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Duotone Message-ID: <4991dc4491dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <49911fac60dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> References: <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49911fac60dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49911fac60dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com>, Dave wrote: > In article <119438@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > >For instance, if I have a graphic in OP and select duotone with red > > >and black the graphic literally becomes shaded between red and black. > > >To my mind, it should become a mixture of red, black and white (to > > >allow for paper colour). > > Define how you want the white mixing in? > Rather than try to explain it, I'll send you a couple of GIFs later, one > from the Photoshop duotone and another from OP so you can see the > difference. I'll email them direct rather than plague the rest of the > list with them too. On further studying the Photoshop duotone output, (aside from the dual bezier curves as Mike Williams pointed out) I think the only real difference is that it leaves any white areas as white. Would it be possible to perhaps add an option beneath the duotone function to do just that? Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 19:16:38 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119790 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 19:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950812824:20:11880:20; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:40:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009701; 17 Feb 2000 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32529 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:38:56 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA32522 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:38:53 GMT Received: (qmail 27066 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2000 17:38:52 -0000 Received: from usercp69.uk.uudial.com (HELO usercp69) (62.188.156.98) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 17:38:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:37:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Duotone Message-ID: <4991dce09edavefloyd@tfalbb.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <4990c8d123dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Can photoshop not output the result as a colour TIFF or JPEG (no > compression to keep all detail) which you can move into OPro? Not unless you take the picture out of duotone mode first. > I get confused with the term Duotone - what do you mean (what does > photoshop give you)? and what does David Pilling think it is? As I say in another message, the main difference is that PS leaves white alone. OP shades any white with one of the colours. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 19:16:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119791 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 19:16:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950812903:20:12990:70; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:41:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010847; 17 Feb 2000 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA32583 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:43:39 GMT Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32578 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:43:38 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12LUxl-000C6b-0W for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:43:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:45:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Help needed... Message-ID: <4991dda05atony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <119740@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <119740@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 17 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Paul Beverley, editor of Archive magazine, indicated to me > yesterday that he was thinking of moving from Impression to > OvationPro. > That would probably be a good thing for the future of OPro, > and I'll offer him all the support I can. > However he said; > "If I were to do it, I think I'd need to find some kind > volunteer to produce a dummy layout for the magazine > and also maybe see if there's someone local who could > be around at the time I do the first ever paste-up, > just to give a few helpful hints." > So if there's anyone in Norwich with OPro who could help... > David Pilling Quite happy to have a go a a dummy layout. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 21:29:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119792 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 21:29:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950816168:10:27195:17; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:36:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105890; 17 Feb 2000 19:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00627 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:00:55 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00622 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:00:53 GMT Received: (qmail 1237 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2000 19:00:52 -0000 Received: from userb054.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.71.37) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2000 19:00:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:49:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: <4991e382e7dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.14d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I do think the Clipboard applet is an excellent job. I never thought they > would be used like that. > David Pilling I agree and have mailed the author my thanks, almost the way I'd like 'em to work. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk ...or.. dfs@ukgateway.net Also... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... dave@triffid.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 21:29:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119795 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 21:29:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950818825:11:06770:18; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:20:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106666; 17 Feb 2000 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00791 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:50:25 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00786 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:50:23 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 18A879B06 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:50:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.4.2 [Linux/i386]); Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:48:00 GMT X-Sender: Martin.Devon@stonar.wilts.sch.uk Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:50:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: interpretation of leading/line spacing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In the context of a word-processing test, a piece of text is described as to be 'four line spacing'. This seems to be ambiguous and I should welcome a consensus of opinion. Two line or double spacing is usually taken as line of text, blank, etc. So four line spacing would logically be text,blank, blank, blank, etc which would normally be achieved with 300% leading or 3x font size as space after. Or would it be 400%? Likewise, what does one-and-a-half line spacing imply, 50% or 150% leading? -- Martin Devon Stonar School -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 21:29:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119796 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 21:29:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950821557:20:18513:18; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:05:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018406; 17 Feb 2000 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA00985 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:32:25 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00980 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 20:32:23 GMT Received: from NTL ([212.250.143.10]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA6092 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:25:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:19:02 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Multiple Clipboards (OvationPro 2.57) Message-ID: References: <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.10 (MsgServe/1.10) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Pete Bready wrote: > In message <119678@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > I do think the Clipboard applet is an excellent job. I never thought they > > would be used like that. > > > > I'd second that with a minor and ever-so-'umble suggestion for an indication > if a particular clipboard has contents, either by greying out copy, paste and > view if it's empty, or with some sexy icons instead of words... > > Oops, mistakenly sent this directly back to DP rather than the list...sorry David -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 17 22:45:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA119808 for opro ; Thu, 17 Feb 100 22:44:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 950824696:20:26342:30; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:58:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028129; 17 Feb 2000 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01198 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:16:30 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01193 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 21:16:28 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip48 [129.69.189.48]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA23933 for User-Agent: Pluto/1.14b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to create hyphenation data for other languages (say German ;-) ? And if so, how can it be done? I don't fancy adding exceptions to the hyphenation exceptions, but having an own hyphenation data per language. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the mes