From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:39:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114617 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:39:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946832479:20:07028:23; Sun, 02 Jan 2000 17:01:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122866; 2 Jan 2000 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04741 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:30:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04736 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:30:08 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.22) [193.149.81.22] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 124nrx-0004Yc-00; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 16:28:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 16:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Bloated OvnPro Message-ID: <497a262ac6colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199912291435.OAA25254@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199912291435.OAA25254@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Dec, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > This is one of those cases... The above features would not be too > hard to add, for some people they would be very useful. The > problem is that for many others they'd just get in the way, 2 > more buttons, 2 more things to understand and remember about. > Before you know it someone would be saying the program was clumsy > or bloated. Hmmm, at the risk of causing an increase in the junk in this list - it has occurred to me on several occasions that we are in the grave danger of asking David Pilling to do things that would be *useful* to us, at the risk of doing exactly what he says above. ATM it is already obvious that not enough of us read the manual fully. Consequently this list is full of questions that could have been answered by reading the manual. If it gets bigger and more complicated - it will need a bigger manual. I am also aware that, in most peoples opinion, computer programs should be easy enough to use without reading the manual. I accept that in most cases this is true of the casual user. BUT, on reading the manuals for the third time I have found out *so* mush more information that I am glad I had the manual to read. Surely most of these requests could/ought to be added as applets - then it would be up to the individual user to activate them (or not!). Layers does seem to me a useful addition to the program, but consider the above first - adding the ability to keep !Photodesk layers active would be amazing. I also have found it frustrating trying to access a frame well down the stack. Hope all this is useful Colin W -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:40:31 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114630 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:40:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946847580:10:28812:17; Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:13:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028776; 2 Jan 2000 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA05243 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:43:35 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA05238 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 20:43:33 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.7]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2EF0 for ; Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:42:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:41:14 +0100 Subject: Picture reference Message-ID: <497a3d41bfdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, I very heavily make use of the option to reference pictures. But rather often OvationPro can't find some of those pictures anymore! It displays an error box, saying that picture ... is not found and the document only opens the very top inch. Now I have two questions: - Am I the only one to experience this? (I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) - Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. (Suggestion: when you click in such a picture frame, the program pops up an error box with the path where the program expected to find the picture.) Some of my documents had to be re-edited 3 or even 4 times, shift-dragging the same pictures from the same directory to the same frame. What happened? Have I done something stupid again? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:43:37 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114670 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946977520:10:24268:17; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 09:18:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024232; 4 Jan 2000 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08905 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:59:24 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08900 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:59:22 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.162] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 125Pnl-0007W9-00; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 08:58:49 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:45:19 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:44:26 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > On Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > > >that WIMP environments do, > > > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > > in one layer, frames in another. > > > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > > such layers are useful? > > > > > > Although this is rather specialised, you could use layers to create > multilingual documents that demand layout fidelity. > > You could also set up different versions of a document in one file. Yes - I suppose I was thinking along similar lines. We quite often need to produce two versions of a document: one in black & white or spot colour for printing and a second version in full colour, lower resolution for creating PDFs for reading on the screen. It's no huge deal at present to create a second version of the document but it is sometimes a struggle to ensure that both versions are similarly updated when we need to make corrections to the text. I suppose we could put different pictures on different layers and make only one visible? (The opposite situation from the multilingual text). I guess one of the problems with layers is working out whether objects in a layer should affect text flow on other layers, even if the layer is currently 'invisible'. I guess the layer control must stipulate such things as (a) flow control (b) visibility (c) printing (d) currently selectable/editable. You would also need to be able to move an object from one layer to another. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 13:44:39 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114679 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 13:44:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946950693:20:11542:24; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:51:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101969; 4 Jan 2000 1:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08239 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:24:45 GMT Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.88]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08234 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:24:43 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125Ii4-000A3h-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 01:24:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:50:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > >that WIMP environments do, > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > in one layer, frames in another. > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > such layers are useful? > > Although this is rather specialised, you could use layers to create multilingual documents that demand layout fidelity. You could also set up different versions of a document in one file. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 21:48:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114756 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 21:48:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947021914:10:12920:26; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:38:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114561; 4 Jan 2000 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10686 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:08:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10681 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:08:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125bBO-00016i-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:07:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 18:59:43 GMT Message-Id: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >It displays an error box, saying that picture ... is not found and the >document only opens the very top inch. The workaround is to open the view options window and hide pictures, this should allow you to get to the picture in question and look at its referenced path. >(I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) Presumeably if the paths were document relative, moving the document and not the pics would do the damage. >- Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire >document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. I do agree the current position is not ideal, the punishment for losing a reference is a bit too harsh. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 4 21:48:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114758 for opro ; Tue, 04 Jan 100 21:48:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947021908:20:12799:18; Tue, 04 Jan 2000 21:38:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117447; 4 Jan 2000 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10718 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:22:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10713 for ; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:22:19 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.210) [194.69.105.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125bOm-0003LO-00; Tue, 4 Jan 2000 21:21:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 19:29:08 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <497B3E53C6%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > I guess one of the problems with layers is working out whether > objects in a layer should affect text flow on other layers, even > if the layer is currently 'invisible'. I'd suppose that this would work in the same way as moving an object to the back/front ATM. > I guess the layer control must stipulate such things as (a) flow control > (b) visibility (c) printing (d) currently selectable/editable. You would > also need to be able to move an object from one layer to another. And perhaps to be able to copy an entire layer to a new layer. -- The first myth of management is that it exists. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:03:37 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.198]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16685 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:58:20 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:50:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Picture reference To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497a3d41bfdelink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry I'm a bit late in replying. On Sun 02 Jan, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Dear all, > > I very heavily make use of the option to reference pictures. > But rather often OvationPro can't find some of those pictures anymore! > It displays an error box, saying that picture ... is not found and the > document only opens the very top inch. > > Now I have two questions: > - Am I the only one to experience this? > (I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) No. > - Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire > document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. To achieve this, save the document as DDL. Then reload this. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:05 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114808 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947072963:20:22099:18; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 11:49:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104948; 5 Jan 2000 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12617 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:32 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12612 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:19:31 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.206]) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00095 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:14:13 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:51:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113482@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello Has anyone managed to get the Fill aplet to work with a Calligraph A4 laser printer? It works fine with my Epson PhotoEX but with the Calligraph I get a Sprite Extend error. (This is actually the same error I get if I try to print a 24 bit sprite on the Calligraph, but this is less of a problem as I can convert sprites to grey scale first.) I am using version 3.21-(5 Dec 1996) of the Calligraph A4-1200 PrinterDP printer driver. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:16 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114811 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947075194:20:06496:49; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:26:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116429; 5 Jan 2000 12:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12815 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:58:22 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12810 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:58:20 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.45]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FNV2JB00.D92 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:57:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:35:01 +0100 Subject: Picture reference Message-ID: <497b96c1b2delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Mr. Pilling, > >(I didn't change Anything, regarding the pictures file path!) > Presumeably if the paths were document relative, moving the document > and not the pics would do the damage. No, they weren't. I didn't move the pictures, nor the document. Could there be another reason that causes disappearing (or changing) picture references? By the way, your suggestion to look at the picture reference after having hidden the pictures is simple and effective. But not losing those references at all would be better, though! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:27 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114814 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947067606:10:28671:33; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122556; 5 Jan 2000 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12210 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:34:00 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12205 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:33:58 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust216.tnt2.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.242.216] with SMTP for id KAA03222 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:33:24 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000201bf575f$ea6b8d90$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: References: <864d37b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 14:05:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Graddol wrote: > > On Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > > > >that WIMP environments do, > > > > > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > > > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > > > in one layer, frames in another. > > > > > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > > > such layers are useful? > > > > I guess one of the problems with layers is working out whether > objects in a layer should affect text flow on other layers, even > if the layer is currently 'invisible'. I guess the layer control > must stipulate such things as (a) flow control (b) visibility (c) > printing (d) currently selectable/editable. You would also need > to be able to move an object from one layer to another. Perhaps the way !Vector handles layers could be a good starting point. When you have several programs supporting layers, it would be nice if they behave more or less the same. I like the concept of layers. One could have easily more than one concept in a document and make a choice at a later stage. One could have a "memo" layer, containing notes needed during creation of the document. At the end all you need to do is delete the layers you don't use. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 14:18:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114818 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 14:18:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947069381:10:11070:19; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:49:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124194; 5 Jan 2000 10:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12359 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:11:43 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12354 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:11:42 GMT Received: from pennic.demon.co.uk ([194.222.34.50]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125nPJ-000IUL-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:11:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: SPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:09:45 +0100 Subject: Drag and drop text files. Message-ID: <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Having got RISC-OS 4.02 and re-established everything I casually tried Ovation Pro 2.56 and it appeared to work OK. Yesterday I tried to drag a text file onto a blank page and got a Postmortem box saying it was an illegal address. I tried other text files including one generated by Ovation Pro with the same result. Dragging the files onto the icon bar had the same result. What have I forgotten to do? Roger -- ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard || || || || Specialist Psychological Services ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 15:02:47 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114842 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 15:02:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947084132:20:29409:86; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:55:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108284; 5 Jan 2000 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA13302 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:39:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13297 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:39:31 GMT Received: from edencroft.demon.co.uk ([193.237.142.83]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125raS-0001jo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:38:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:31:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <200001050936.JAA12229@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeremy Roberts X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > Perhaps the way !Vector handles layers could be a good starting point. > When you have several programs supporting layers, it would be nice if they > behave more or less the same. As a 'newbie' to OPro, I did have a puzzle recently, when I was trying to recreate an Impression document in OPro, with a view eventually to changing over from the one to the other for this particular 'base' I use a lot. A complex multi-layered file in DrawPlus, which imported, appeared on screen, and printed perfectly well in Impression, only shows one layer on screen when imported into OPro (and only intermittently), and prints nothing. There is a workaround, in that the DrawPlus file does import successfully into OPro when all its layers except the base layer have been deleted - which of course has the effect of dumping all the objects onto the one base layer. Is this problem also an effect of inability to support layers in OPro, or am I missing something else here? Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 18:33:07 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114847 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 18:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947094436:10:10846:35; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:47:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119808; 5 Jan 2000 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13655 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:22:02 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13650 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:22:00 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s39-40-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.40] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13988 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:16:39 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:59:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: POBar To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea if the intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. But we do not really have enough information to use it. Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery points? Where on the envelope should the bar code go? How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. during a mail merge? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 19:34:07 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114870 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 19:34:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947100131:20:03650:17; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:22:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2128959; 5 Jan 2000 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13902 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:51:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13897 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:51:49 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.157) [194.69.105.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125vWY-0005Ju-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:51:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 23:12:50 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference Message-ID: <497B52CEE2%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07b X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <114727@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > Could OvationPro change slightly, so that you still can open the entire > > document, just hiding the pictures that it cannot find. > I do agree the current position is not ideal, the punishment for losing > a reference is a bit too harsh. Would it be too complex to bring up a dialogue to request the new location(s) of the picture(s)? -- Disco is to music what Etch-A-Sketch is to art __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wES-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:35:30 GMT Message-Id: <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery points? I believe the international codes are not in use, they're for the future. Delivery points are available, but only if you buy the PO's CD ROM of addresses. >Where on the envelope should the bar code go? Anywhere you like I think. >How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. during >a mail merge? See the document in the web site resource pages on advanced mail merge. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:12 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114879 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947102506:10:27962:18; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:01:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104676; 5 Jan 2000 20:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14057 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14035 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEZ-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:39:05 GMT Message-Id: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >By the way, your suggestion to look at the picture reference after having >hidden the pictures is simple and effective. So, you looked at the references, where they correct? That was the point, check that the referenced files point to something sensible. This is either going to be a bug (in which case it needs pinning down precisely, e.g. just what is the error message, how does one reproduce the bug), or its going to be some sort of mishap. For example you have ImageFS running, you reference a GIF file, no problem. You come back the next day, don't have ImageFS running, and of course the GIF file can no longer be loaded. There are lots of ways of breaking references. But given you have a broken reference, the thing I can think of is to check it out, look at the path, and then look what the path points at. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:15 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114880 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947102685:10:00871:17; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000805; 5 Jan 2000 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14033 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14028 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEV-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:38:07 GMT Message-Id: <114854@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yesterday I tried to drag a text file onto a blank page and got a >Postmortem box saying it was an illegal address. (1) Transloaders Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web site File Library page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114882 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947104234:10:00331:20; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:30:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1000290; 5 Jan 2000 20:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14079 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14058 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEe-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:52:36 GMT Message-Id: <114860@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A complex multi-layered file in DrawPlus, which imported, appeared on >screen, and printed perfectly well in Impression, only shows one layer on >screen when imported into OPro (and only intermittently), and prints >nothing. Maybe you could *private email* me the file so I can check it? Once upon a time I did sort out Draw+ file rendering, at the moment it is hard to put a hand on a copy of the program, given Vector is now for free... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 20:59:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114883 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 20:59:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947104327:10:02308:20; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:32:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002253; 5 Jan 2000 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA14071 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14040 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:37:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 125wEc-000J4F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:36:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:43:55 GMT Message-Id: <114858@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has anyone managed to get the Fill aplet to work with a Calligraph A4 laser >printer? It works fine with my Epson PhotoEX but with the Calligraph I get a >Sprite Extend error. (This is actually the same error I get if I try to print >a 24 bit sprite on the Calligraph, but this is less of a problem as I can >convert sprites to grey scale first.) See the NewFuncs document, this is probably relevant... void printchoices2(int printbits_xor, int printbits_and, int spare, int spare); The bits of parameter printbits control miscellaneous printing defaults. Bit Meaning when set when bit 0 of R3 is set. 1 Use grey scale sprite for output to mono printers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 22:26:53 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114900 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 22:26:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947110650:10:03307:37; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:17:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003025; 5 Jan 2000 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14877 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:45:34 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14872 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:45:32 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop10-29.access.ch [212.161.131.29]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17289 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:44:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:43:54 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: POBar To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, Based on a long conversation with an expert of the Swiss postal coding system the following info might be useful. On Wed 05 Jan, Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello > > I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea if the > intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. > > But we do not really have enough information to use it. Yes, yo do. As far as the UK is concerned. And David Pilling also added a separate applet for The Netherlands. A separate applet because the coding principles in these 2 countries are different. So for these 2 countries these 2 applets are all you need. > Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery points? Based on my talks with the Swiss expert it seems that presently every country has its own system. In Switzerland only the postal service can add the postal coding to envelopes (some big companies have access to the Swiss postal coding program so can also use it). For you and me it is not possible. One of the reasons is that as a normal user one cannot enter the time of reception for delivery at the post office. Nor the added coding once it has arrived at the final post office of destination... Swiss precision! How to complcate life... > > Where on the envelope should the bar code go? The bar code should be *underneath* the normal address. Letters sent abroad are not coded by the post office at the point of reception, but can eventually be coded at the point of delivery. Any letter being sent abroad is based on the country stated in the address, not on any coding. > How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. during > a mail merge? My mail merging knowledge is limited, so I leave this to others for a useful advice. For which I would be grateful as well. But I believe something about adding styles has been mentioned in the past. I use the Dutch/British coding often and have discovered that it does speed up delivery very much compared to non coded mailing. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jan 5 23:15:09 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114903 for opro ; Wed, 05 Jan 100 23:15:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947112243:10:05347:17; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 22:44:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115615; 5 Jan 2000 22:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14964 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:14:46 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14959 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:14:43 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user172.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.104]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA06822 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:14:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 21:49:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: POBar Message-ID: <497bcefe34marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA14960 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB14964 On 05 Jan, Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello > I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea i= f > the intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. > But we do not really have enough information to use it. > Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery > points? No > Where on the envelope should the bar code go? Anywhere more than 25mm from any edge. Usually either to the bottom right of address or if using a window envelope, above the address as if it were the first line. > How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. > during a mail merge? Ah,=A0now that's beyond me. Slainte --=20 Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 01:25:46 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114907 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 01:25:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947114331:10:18659:33; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:18:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105299; 5 Jan 2000 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA15088 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA15083 for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:51 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.175) [193.149.85.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125zSQ-0006o9-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:38:12 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <497BC2FE43%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article Jeremy wrote: > A complex multi-layered file in DrawPlus, which imported, appeared on > screen, and printed perfectly well in Impression, only shows one layer on > screen when imported into OPro (and only intermittently), and prints > nothing. > > There is a workaround, in that the DrawPlus file does import successfully > into OPro when all its layers except the base layer have been deleted - > which of course has the effect of dumping all the objects onto the one base > layer. You could export it as a 'standard' drawfile which IIRC will effectively make it a single layer drawfile within OPro. -- The only thing funnier than how things don't work out, is how they do. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:46 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.175) [193.149.85.175] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 125zSM-0006o9-00; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:03:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:32:15 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. Message-ID: <497BC272E1%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497b8974c8sps@pennic.demon.co.uk> SPS wrote: > Having got RISC-OS 4.02 [...] I casually tried Ovation Pro 2.56 [...] > Yesterday I tried to drag a text file onto a blank page and got a > Postmortem box saying it was an illegal address. I tried other text files > including one generated by Ovation Pro with the same result. Dragging the > files onto the icon bar had the same result. What have I forgotten to do? Works okay here in both cases (RO3.7) so it may be RO4. I did wonder if your default doc' was corrupted or changed in some way, perhaps as a single graphics frame. I tried to do this, but couldn't figure out how to do it, so it may not be possible anyway. -- I don't steal taglines; I liberate them. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:09:33 GMT Received: from modem-91.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.219] helo=orchard-way) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.12 #0) id 125zXw-0007Co-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:08:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:08:03 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference Message-ID: References: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07b (MsgServe/1.07d) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: Hi, Have you by any chance renamed the disc? Alan Adams > > > >By the way, your suggestion to look at the picture reference after having > >hidden the pictures is simple and effective. > > So, you looked at the references, where they correct? That was the point, > check that the referenced files point to something sensible. > > This is either going to be a bug (in which case it needs pinning down > precisely, e.g. just what is the error message, how does one reproduce the > bug), or its going to be some sort of mishap. > > For example you have ImageFS running, you reference a GIF file, no problem. > You come back the next day, don't have ImageFS running, and of course the > GIF file can no longer be loaded. > > There are lots of ways of breaking references. > > But given you have a broken reference, the thing I can think of is to check it > out, look at the path, and then look what the path points at. > > > > David Pilling > -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:36:48 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114931 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:36:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947128711:20:27124:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 03:18:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102130; 6 Jan 2000 3:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA16092 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:47:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16087 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:47:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1262x5-000EZy-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:47:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 02:40:33 GMT Message-Id: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New DDF loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Just before Xmas it came to light that if you have a style in an Impression DDF file whose name is the same as that of a DDF command (e.g. 'script') then the DDL produced by the loader won't work. DDF loader 1.11 which attempts to fix this is now on the web sites in the resource files section. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:37:52 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114942 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947154440:20:07457:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:27:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110219; 6 Jan 2000 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16730 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:56:59 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16725 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:56:57 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup046.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.208]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11739 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:54:17 GMT Message-ID: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: Subject: Calligraph Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 09:53:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. What I need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind being called about this. Thanks Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:37:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114943 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947157526:10:19030:19; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019010; 6 Jan 2000 11:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16949 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:03:51 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16944 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:03:49 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.201] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 126Ago-0001vG-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:02:46 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:03:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:02:45 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing crop marks Message-ID: <71a3177c49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does anyone know if there is an easy way to print a document with crop marks only on odd numbered (i.e. right hand) pages? I ask because when we print duplex, most laser printers will not align the reverse side precisely with the first side (+-2mm is the usual tolerance). So when we gullotine the stack, it is difficult to ensure that no traces of the crop marks still show on some pages. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:37:57 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114945 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947158131:10:00404:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121718; 6 Jan 2000 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16931 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:52 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16926 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:00:50 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.139]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA6F4E for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:00:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 11:57:17 +0100 Subject: Picture reference Message-ID: <497c172323delink@wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams wrote: > Have you by any chance renamed the disc? No. But I must have done some other stupidity, of course. I am now waiting for the next occurrence, so that I can check the file path (that was also stupid, for example. Not checking that path, I mean). I'll let you know. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:38:00 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114946 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:37:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947155728:20:29999:25; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123660; 6 Jan 2000 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16819 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:34:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16814 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:34:26 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.93) [193.149.84.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126AEd-0006eK-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:33:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:49:12 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 5 Jan 2000 (18:38:07), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > (1) Transloaders > Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro > illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders > and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available > from the OvationPro web site File Library page. > Does the same !Server file serve all the Transloaders? I've updated some of the Transloaders (not all were on your site) and have a variety of dates for the !Server file(s). TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 TransRTF: 05 Aug 1999 TransDDF: 05 Aug 1999 TransPCD: 21 Jan 1997 TransFSI: 21 Jan 1997 Tho' I'm not (yet) using RISC OS4 it would be better to be ready! Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 13:38:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114951 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 13:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947163909:10:05997:21; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:05:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121470; 6 Jan 2000 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17527 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:50:45 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17522 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:50:40 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p38.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.38]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11090 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:48:02 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38748EA9.B2B99262@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:46:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New DDF loader References: <114926@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > Just before Xmas it came to light that if you have a style in an > Impression DDF file whose name is the same as that of a DDF command > (e.g. 'script') then the DDL produced by the loader won't work. > > DDF loader 1.11 which attempts to fix this is now on the web sites > in the resource files section. Would it be possible to put the date of the latest version of s/w on the web site in addition to its version number? That would make it simpler to keep up to date without having to compare version numbers all the time, Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 15:12:24 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114975 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 15:12:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947168565:10:12518:20; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:22:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114709; 6 Jan 2000 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:47:19 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA17498 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 12:47:11 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p38.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.38]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA21479 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:46:00 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38748E3A.D9D031EE@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:44:42 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference References: <114856@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Re: graphic references One thing that occurred to me was that OPro could default to looking for a referenced graphic in the same directory as the file containing the reference. This is the behaviour of Fireworkz, and it avoids problems when moving a multi-file document from one directory to another, or indeed (as happened with me) when the actual directory is renamed. I used the reference and proxy facilities for the first time on a 'serious' document yesterday, and found them most valuable. Many thanks for all the new stuff, Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:36 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114981 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947172766:10:01512:79; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:32:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124242; 6 Jan 2000 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17924 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17918 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126EcI-0002E7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:14:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:07:53 GMT Message-Id: <114969@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing crop marks X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does anyone know if there is an easy way to print a document with >crop marks only on odd numbered (i.e. right hand) pages? It is certainly easy if you're prepared to tweek the imposition script.if(back of page) don't render crop marks... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:40 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114983 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947173631:20:15899:66; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:47:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016244; 6 Jan 2000 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17929 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17923 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:15:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126EcF-0002E7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:14:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:06:32 GMT Message-Id: <114967@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drag and drop text files. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does the same !Server file serve all the Transloaders? Yes. >TransIMP: 26 Nov 1999 I don't know how you got that. >TransRTF: 05 Aug 1999 At any rate the one dated 1999 is the current one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:48 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114985 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947175552:10:04017:197; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:19:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1115775; 6 Jan 2000 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18194 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:01:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18189 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:01:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.70) [193.149.91.70] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126FL5-0000iN-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:00:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:51:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Calligraph Message-ID: <497c270b5drichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> References: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams wrote: > This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some > matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer > exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. > What I need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind > being called about this. > Thanks > Mike Williams > Akalat Publishing OK - count me in! Looks like time we started a mutual self-help mail-list? Unless anyone else wants to host it, then I have just set up a maillist calligraph@4qd.co.uk for matters relating to Calligraph printers. Please feel free to use it and circulate the word. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:01:58 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114988 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:01:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947175101:20:14306:89; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 16:11:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103670; 6 Jan 2000 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18126 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:40:05 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18121 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:40:02 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23604 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23574 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 10:39:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:39:12 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA31BF@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Printing crop marks Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 15:39:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro what about different master frames for the LH and RH pages. Then use the new 'borders' picker to pick borders with the crop marks only for the master frames on the desired side? Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: David Graddol[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 06 January 2000 11:02 > To: ovationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Printing crop marks > > > Does anyone know if there is an easy way to print a document with > crop marks only on odd numbered (i.e. right hand) pages? > > I ask because when we print duplex, most laser printers will not > align the reverse side precisely with the first side (+-2mm is > the usual tolerance). So when we gullotine the stack, it is > difficult to ensure that no traces of the crop marks still show > on some pages. > > David > > > -- > The English Company (UK) Ltd > http://www.english.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:02:23 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114996 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:02:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947181057:20:13949:43; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102776; 6 Jan 2000 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18702 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:53 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18697 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:52 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s27-28-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.28] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19943 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:08 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114858@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 05 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > >Has anyone managed to get the Fill aplet to work with a Calligraph A4 laser > >printer? It works fine with my Epson PhotoEX but with the Calligraph I get a > >Sprite Extend error. (This is actually the same error I get if I try to print > >a 24 bit sprite on the Calligraph, but this is less of a problem as I can > >convert sprites to grey scale first.) > > > See the NewFuncs document, this is probably relevant... > > void printchoices2(int printbits_xor, int printbits_and, int spare, int spare); > > The bits of parameter printbits control miscellaneous printing defaults. > > Bit Meaning when set > > when bit 0 of R3 is set. > 1 Use grey scale sprite for output to mono printers. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Thanks for the reply. My !Choices file contained the line printchoices2(16,0,0,0); I have tried changing this to printchoices2(17,0,0,0); to set bit 0, but unfortunately this seems to make no difference. Am I misunderstanding your reply, or does the problem lie elsewhere? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:02:33 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114998 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:02:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947181168:20:16743:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:52:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016169; 6 Jan 2000 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18671 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:23:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18666 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:23:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.112) [62.188.143.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126GcZ-0003DL-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:22:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:34:51 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: v256 and coloured pictures Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Perhaps my problem has already been covered.. I must confess to reading only some of the comments on the list! I installed v256 a few weeks ago and encountered no problems till today. I was printing out a file which contained about 7 coloured pictures - of people and scenes. The output was horribly overcoloured as when you turn up the colour knob on a TV. As I had used this same file last year (for Mock exams coming up next week!) I was surprised. I tried altering the picture=>process=> gamma but though I could change it, it had no effect on the print-out. Thinking that this could be something to do with the change to v256, I loaded my back-up of v252 and tried that. The result was that the file printed with correct colour. Is this a known fault or am I doing something wrong? As I print a lot of sheets with pictures I can at least revert to v252 so the problem is not fatal for me! -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:02:36 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114999 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:02:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947181402:20:19560:18; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 17:56:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018837; 6 Jan 2000 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18750 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:35 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18744 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:37:32 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s27-28-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.28] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20306 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:31:54 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:36:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <497c270b5drichard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Jan, Richard Torrens wrote: > > > OK - count me in! > > Looks like time we started a mutual self-help mail-list? > > Unless anyone else wants to host it, then I have just set up a maillist > > calligraph@4qd.co.uk > How do we subscribe? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 18:26:00 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115012 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 18:25:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947182393:10:02083:124; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:13:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004401; 6 Jan 2000 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18708 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:57 GMT Received: from ns1.mistral.co.uk (ns1.mistral.co.uk [195.184.229.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18703 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:35:54 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s27-28-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.28] (may be forged)) by ns1.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19956 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:30:11 GMT Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 16:43:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Calligraph To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 06 Jan, Mike Williams wrote: > This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some > matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer > exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. What I > need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind being called > about this. > Yes I am definitely interested. Contact details in my sig. How can we get toner and drums? I was offered toner by BCDS (for a Dataproducts LZR 888, which is the print engine used) but having been twice sent the wrong one, I was finally told that it would take a month. So I got my money back and ordered from CJE Micros. I doubt CJE have large supply. Anyone know a reliable source? I am resigned to abandoning the beast eventually, but the screening and other features are so useful that I will put up with its quirks as long as possible. It works under RO4 by the way. At least, as well as it did under 3.7:-) Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:17 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115019 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947184204:10:08063:23; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:43:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008785; 6 Jan 2000 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18906 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:09:41 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18901 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:08:56 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 126HKC-0002RT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:07:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:05:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: POBar Message-ID: <497c3e615fjack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > Hello > I've just discovered the POBar applet :-) This seems like a nice idea > if the intention is to put it on envelopes to aid sorting. > But we do not really have enough information to use it. > Is there a post office document with international codes and delivery > points? > Where on the envelope should the bar code go? > How can we generate the codes automatically from the post code, e.g. > during a mail merge? A couple of days ago I had a long but disappointing conversation with a helpful chap at PO head office after asking for a copy of an official handout about the scheme: he didn't know of any. I began by stating my belief that now everyone has been converted to using postcodes as a next step the PO would be encouraging the use of barcodes to make their life simpler. Not so it seems. I was told that bulk mailing (junkmail to you and me) accounts for 80% of the total volume of mail and 20% of firms account for that, a lot of it big scale stuff involving batches of 30 or 40K pieces. The setting-up of a barcoding system is done individually with each firm when special terms are negotiated. Apparently the postioning of a barcode on an envelope is critical and it seems that the PO want to make sure that the scheme is kept under their own tight control. At the same time, however, they have certain staff at pedal-operated machines, reading addresses off a monitor as letters pass by and typing on barcodes. Well, that's what I was told. My informant said he was a generalist and would get one of their technical team to ring me. I'm still waiting. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:19 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115021 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947184813:20:28331:29; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:53:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028240; 6 Jan 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19019 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:33:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA19014 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:33:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Hez-000OET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:29:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:14:30 GMT Message-Id: <115008@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One thing that occurred to me was that OPro could default to looking >for a referenced graphic in the same directory as the file >containing the reference. Thats not a bad idea, over the years this facility was proposed, we often had ideas of using default paths of one sort or another. I suppose you can do that by hand even now, because you can type in the reference path. It would open up another route to getting in a mess "why does the wrong picture load". >it avoids problems when moving a multi-file document from >one directory to another, or indeed (as happened with me) when >the actual directory is renamed. Obviously the program as it stands offers you the choice of document relative paths, and these do get around any renaming of folders or discs. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:22 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115022 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947184821:10:21853:19; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:53:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021787; 6 Jan 2000 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18983 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Hey-000OET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:29:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:11:42 GMT Message-Id: <115006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 and Calligraph X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >to set bit 0, but unfortunately this seems to make no difference. Am I >misunderstanding your reply, or does the problem lie elsewhere? Alas it came out a bit chewed up, if you look at the reference, you'll see that it is bit 1 which needs to be set, not bit 0. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 19:15:41 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115024 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 19:15:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947185153:10:29763:24; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:59:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123279; 6 Jan 2000 18:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19001 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18984 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:30:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126Hf0-000OET-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:29:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 18:20:20 GMT Message-Id: <115010@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: v256 and coloured pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >surprised. I tried altering the picture=>process=> >gamma but though I could change it, it had no effect on the >print-out. News to me... One thought is, have you conspired to be using 2.56 with the colour supplement from another version. A second is to look at colour choices and see if 'use correction table' is set (on 2.56 and not on 2.52), if you're using CC Turbos then this can have an effect even on composite output. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 20:08:41 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115035 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 20:08:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947186814:20:22611:28; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:26:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022659; 6 Jan 2000 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:58:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19304 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:58:23 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.179) [193.149.71.179] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126I6D-0006Gz-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:57:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 23:19:55 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar Message-ID: <497BD74AA1%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07b X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <114852@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >Where on the envelope should the bar code go? > Anywhere you like I think. All the envelopes I've seen it on have it above the address with a blank line between them. -- Don't ever slam a door; you might want to go back. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:06:20 GMT Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126J9v-0005OY-0U for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:05:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:16:16 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Long Filenames and Documents To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David I recently loaded !Longfilenames by Mr Trebbick, and it works fine. However, the dialogue box generated by the !Documents applet (I think- the one that gives the Documents option off the icon bar) will not allow the long filename to be seen, as it is restricted to the standard 10 letters. Is there a quick workaround or would the involve a lot of work? Whilst we are on the subject of this applet, would it be possible to amend it so that the last 15 files could be seen; 10 is nice, but 15 would be nicerunten. I appreciate you have to draw the line somewhere...! Many thanks for 2.56; I never cease to be amazed by the helpfulness shown by you and by all contributors to this ng. Where else in the world could you ask the author of software a question in the morning and have it dealt with the same day? Regards -- Paul Hutton "Indecision is the key to flexibility." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 21:33:54 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115041 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 21:33:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947191282:10:15262:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 20:41:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015227; 6 Jan 2000 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19900 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:11:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19895 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:11:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126JFQ-000L83-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:11:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:17:28 GMT Message-Id: <115027@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >helpful chap at PO head office after asking for a copy of an official >handout about the scheme: he didn't know of any. There is a document, because I had a copy. It covered the technical side rather than the commercial aspects. >Apparently the postioning of a barcode on an envelope is critical and it Further to what I said yesterday, ISTR the constraints are that it is vertical or horizontal and greater than some dimension from the edges. >seems that the PO want to make sure that the scheme is kept under their What do you expect of an organisation that is still trialing self adhesive stamps after 100 years. I was told that someone who works for the PO (and uses OPro) found the applet most interesting ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 23:18:58 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115059 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 23:18:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947198253:10:15758:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:37:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115555; 6 Jan 2000 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20381 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:14:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20376 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:14:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126LAJ-000Ccq-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:13:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:04:31 GMT Message-Id: <115054@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Long Filenames and Documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, the dialogue box generated by the !Documents applet (I think- the >long filename to be seen, as it is restricted to the standard 10 letters. I think I probably didn't bother to tell you, Document applet 1.02 went up on the web site in December and supports long filenames. >are on the subject of this applet, would it be possible to amend it so that >the last 15 files could be seen; 10 is nice, but 15 would be nicerunten. I There is a variable at the start of the script file in the applet int document_number = 10; change the 10 to 15... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jan 6 23:19:03 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115061 for opro ; Thu, 06 Jan 100 23:19:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947199857:10:22295:17; Thu, 06 Jan 2000 23:04:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022245; 6 Jan 2000 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20460 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20455 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:34:00 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.7) [62.188.142.7] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 126LSt-0007VR-00; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 22:33:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:40:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Calligraph Message-ID: <497c470b8erichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <497c270b5drichard@4qd.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Thu 06 Jan, Richard Torrens wrote: > > > > > > OK - count me in! > > > > Looks like time we started a mutual self-help mail-list? > > > > Unless anyone else wants to host it, then I have just set up a maillist > > > > calligraph@4qd.co.uk > > > How do we subscribe? Sorry: Subscribe: -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 13:49:13 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115085 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 13:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947228570:10:27775:17; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 07:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119283; 7 Jan 2000 7:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA21432 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:32:29 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA21427 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 06:32:26 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS4-p21.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.162.149]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA24640 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:31:28 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38758860.7CBFE569@netvision.net.il> Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:32:00 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Picture reference References: <115008@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >One thing that occurred to me was that OPro could default to looking > >for a referenced graphic in the same directory as the file > >containing the reference. > Obviously the program as it stands offers you the choice of document relative > paths, and these do get around any renaming of folders or discs. Oops. I missed that facility! Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 13:49:25 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115090 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 13:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947242970:10:29716:46; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 11:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025351; 7 Jan 2000 10:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21921 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:27:43 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21916 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:27:41 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04320 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:26:40 GMT Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 10:26:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Capital letters in spellcheck To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This seems like something that must have been discussed before - apologies if I have missed it. I did a spell check on a document which objected to 'Data'; 'data' was suggested as an alternative. What's going on? Regards Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 14:29:19 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115118 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 14:29:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947254138:10:04713:19; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:08:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1010732; 7 Jan 2000 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22386 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:52:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22381 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:52:16 GMT Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126YrL-000Jnn-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:51:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 19:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Calligraph Message-ID: <497c483aebjack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> References: <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <006b01bf582c$1e743200$d094a8c2@akalat>, Mike Williams wrote: > This is really off topic but we have a reader who wants to discuss some > matters relating to Calligraph printers, now that Calligraph no longer > exist - specifically availability of spares and use under RISC OS 4. What I > need are names and telephone numbers of those who do not mind being called > about this. Count me in. I would welcome a forum where we beleagured souls could obtain mutual support for what is still a 95% excellent printer. Last August I bought a toner refill from David Humphrey at what struck me as a reasonable price. He was then available at 10 Willow Walk, Cambridge CB1 1LA, cal@ar.telme.com and 01646 683203. Richard Piller who wrote most of the Calli code and now lives in S Africa recently surfaced in csa.hardware, causing nemo@argonet.co.uk to offer: > If you don't have the equipment or the inclination to continue > development(!) - and no one would expect you to - I'd be happy to > maintain the printer driver code, with a view to getting 4-up working > apart from anything else! This was an exchange that I took part in and I asked a couple of questions, copying, unsuccessfully it seems, to this group and consequently my questions didn't get answered. I'll try again. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 0117 9736237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 15:59:35 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115124 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 15:59:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947257200:10:19525:89; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1015553; 7 Jan 2000 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22816 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:00:29 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22811 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:00:27 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126ZvK-0004vU-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 13:59:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: French spellcheck dictionary Message-ID: <497caba914C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Courtesy of Richard Mawhood, there is now a 63,000 word French spellcheck dictionary available on the alternative OPro web site (url in sig) -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 7 15:59:38 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA115125 for opro ; Fri, 07 Jan 100 15:59:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 947258861:10:03409:21; Fri, 07 Jan 2000 15:27:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109243; 7 Jan 2000 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23021 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:38:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23016 for ; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:38:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 126aWS-000Eun-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:37:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 14:07:20 GMT Message-Id: <115115@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Capital letters in spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did a spell check on a document which objected to 'Data'; 'data' was >suggested as an alternative. What's going on? I'd have a look at the spell check dictionary. For example if it has DATA in then it will force that as the correc