From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 14:21:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112078 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:21:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944143790:20:02397:23; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:09:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113119; 2 Dec 99 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04110 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:51:21 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04103 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:51:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13285 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:26 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13952 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:24 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Master pages Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:49:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <496a1deb95dfs@ukgateway.net> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > I don't want to have to make the adjustments 28 times... So please, anyone > know how to hilight all 28 master pages together so I can make one set of > adjustments for the lot. Err, no. Shouldn't it be possible to save as DDL and do a search and replace on the height value in its textual form there? TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 14:24:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112083 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:24:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944144557:10:12245:38; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:22:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121212; 2 Dec 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03997 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:22:01 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03992 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:21:59 GMT Received: (qmail 14474 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1999 13:21:09 -0000 Received: from userar28.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.136.187) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1999 13:21:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Master pages Message-ID: <496a1deb95dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have an Ov Pro document that has 28 chapters, and as each chapter is slightly different... 28 masterpages. I want to make some small adjustments to the size of the Master frame... which should be the same size in each chapter. I don't want to have to make the adjustments 28 times... So please, anyone know how to hilight all 28 master pages together so I can make one set of adjustments for the lot. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 16:52:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112096 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:52:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944151736:20:23648:20; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:22:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115572; 2 Dec 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04605 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:04:50 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04600 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:04:48 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-130-155.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.130.155]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20394 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:03:58 GMT Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:48:15 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Images Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R It would be interesting if there was an applet called David Pilling's scanning software...? Can that be done? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 16:53:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112101 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:53:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944151796:10:15276:42; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:23:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004638; 2 Dec 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04479 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:26:34 GMT Received: from alliance.lancs.ac.uk (alliance.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.17.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04474 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:26:33 GMT Received: from exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk ([148.88.17.22]) by alliance.lancs.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11tY76-00078m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:25:44 +0000 Received: by exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:25:50 -0000 Message-ID: <45EA1063C2F8D211915800204808343B3E1712@exchange1.lancs.ac.uk> From: "Sapey, Bob" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: File compatibility Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:25:40 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have recently bought Ovationpro after many years of using Impression and I'm still getting to know the package. Very good so far and hopefully a bit more stable than Imp. I would like to know more about the DDL format. I've used RTF a lot to transfer files to my PC at work but wish to know what DDL might be compatible with. Bob Bob Sapey Lecturer in Applied Social Science Lancaster University Lancaster LA1 4YL 01524 594863 SOCIAL WORK RESEARCH is at http://www.lancs.ac.uk/users/apsocsci/swr/conts.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 18:01:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112123 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 18:01:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944156617:10:23569:254; Thu, 02 Dec 99 17:43:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003673; 2 Dec 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04894 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:07:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04889 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:07:18 GMT Received: from (userl494) [193.149.75.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11tZga-00042K-00; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:06:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:32:57 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <9d211f6a49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Subject: Contents applet update X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is now an updated version of the Contents applet on the alternative Ovation Pro resources site at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/. This contains various minor improvements, and an entirely new user interface which I hope is easier to use. In keeping with a suggestion made on this list I have also added a macro button definition for it. Roger Noble -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 18:01:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112125 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 18:01:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944157571:20:22147:16; Thu, 02 Dec 99 17:59:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022094; 2 Dec 99 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04996 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04989 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11taGe-000P3J-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:43:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:59:39 GMT Message-Id: <112109@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: File compatibility X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to know more about the DDL format. I've used RTF a lot to transfer >files to my PC at work but wish to know what DDL might be compatible with. DDL is used by only one program, OvationPro. The idea was that conversion programs (like those supplied for DDF and RTF) would convert to and from DDL. It would also allow programs e.g. a database to generate OPro documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 19:07:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112131 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 19:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944160979:10:24478:284; Thu, 02 Dec 99 18:56:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118057; 2 Dec 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04993 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04984 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11taGd-000P3J-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:43:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:59:32 GMT Message-Id: <112107@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It would be interesting if there was an applet called >David Pilling's scanning software...? Can that be done? What create an applet with the same name as a well known application and thus cause confusion? Yep I think we can do that 8-) There's always been the thought that David Pilling's scanning software has facilities (like loading foreign file formats) which OPro lacks. It would be easy to link the code in, but of course it would make OPro a lot bigger, and I've never been able to settle on a protocol for linking the two. Presumeably though for bit map editing, OLE is all you need. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 01:38:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112157 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:38:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944172067:10:21727:21; Thu, 02 Dec 99 22:01:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021579; 2 Dec 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05642 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:31:30 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05637 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:31:28 GMT Received: (qmail 26952 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1999 21:30:36 -0000 Received: from userbr23.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.146.216) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1999 21:30:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496a4a75addfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <496a1deb95dfs@ukgateway.net> <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > I don't want to have to make the adjustments 28 times... So please, > > anyone know how to hilight all 28 master pages together so I can make > > one set of adjustments for the lot. > Err, no. Shouldn't it be possible to save as DDL and do a search and > replace on the height value in its textual form there? > TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for > Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk > Disclaimer: caveat internettor Mmnnn! well it's a laudable idea Nick... if only life was that simple. Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want to find and change. Not a single showing of W 157.26mm So that doesn't work. It seems that in DDL output OvPro uses some other form of measurement... and there was me thinking we went Metric all those years ago. Next suggestion please. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 01:39:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112160 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:38:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944183870:20:11138:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:17:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010095; 3 Dec 99 1:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06024 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:49:33 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06019 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:49:31 GMT Received: from chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk ([194.222.205.183]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11tgtp-000Cai-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:48:38 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:47:18 GMT Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:47:06 +0100 From: Deri James To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <496a4a75addfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: AtHome X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Err, no. Shouldn't it be possible to save as DDL and do a > > search and replace on the height value in its textual form > > there? > > > TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information > > Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ > > mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk > > Disclaimer: caveat internettor > > > Mmnnn! well it's a laudable idea Nick... if only life was that > simple. > > Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want > to find and change. Not a single showing of W 157.26mm So that > doesn't work. It seems that in DDL output OvPro uses some other > form of measurement... and there was me thinking we went Metric > all those years ago. Next suggestion please. > > Cheers > > Dave S > > I believe the units used in DDL are millipoints so there are 72000 of them to an inch:- If you go into Misc->Preferences:General and change display unit to points, you will see that the width is now 445.78. In the DDL file you may well discover a line (hopefully in a "textframe" which includes "{masterframe 1}") a line something close to "{w 445777}". It's not possible to give an exact formula because OvPro holds numbers to a far greater precision than it displays in the width setting box. Replace this number with a suitable millipoint setting for what you want and then reload the DDL (making very sure you have kept a safe backup of your original document!!) -- Deri James dawn chorus(n): Nature's way of telling the programmer to go to sleep. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:49:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112176 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:49:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944191205:10:10469:17; Fri, 03 Dec 99 03:20:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100857; 3 Dec 99 3:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:04:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06366 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:04:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tj0g-00025N-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:03:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:41:15 GMT Message-Id: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd better start by saying things could be better with the master pages, all in due course. However if you have to hack the DDL file, here are some comments. >Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want to find >and change. OPro's internal units are the same as those in RISC OS - 72000 to the inch. Since a point is 72 to the inch, if you set up OPro to display in points you should be able to see the connection. However DDL files are not random collections of numbers... If you look at one you'll see something like this. >CHAP_111={chapter {papersize "A4" 0 {w 595276} {h 841890} {sideways 0}} >{omitheader 0} {omitfooter 0} >{chapternumber 1} >{pagenumberformat 2} >{startonleft 0} >} The numbers after w and h in the CHAP line show the page size. >PAGE_10c={masterpage {colourvalue COL_02 0x10000 0}} >TEXT_10d={textframe >{lock 0} {spread 0} >{masterframe 1} >{fillcolour COL_02 0x10000 0} >{radius 0} >{columns 1}{gutterwidth 14173}{columnguides 0 {thickness 2834} {colourvalue COL_01 0x10000 0}} >{vertalign 0} >{inset 2834} >{textflow 3 1 2834} >{fcurve {box {x 28346} >{y 28346} >{w 538584} >{h 785198} >}} >{angle 0x0} >{skew 0x0} >} And here the number after w and h show the pincipal text frame size. 538584/72000 equals 7.48" David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112188 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944223097:20:17124:32; Fri, 03 Dec 99 12:11:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103056; 3 Dec 99 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07741 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:41:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07736 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:41:05 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tr47-000ApI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:39:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:38:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: !Contents Applet To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello On Fri 03 Dec, Mike Hunter wrote: > Greetings > > I downloaded the new !Contents Applet with the intention of working out how > to use it before I need to use it in earnest! > > Problem 1 - when I tried to print the !Help OvnPro document I got a type 5 > error and had to reboot the machine. I tried again after a clean start and > the same problem when printing around page 3. [snipped] > > This is on a RPC with OS4.02 and OvnPro 2.55. > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in use - > perhaps there is a clash. > > Michael > -- No trouble. I first created the Contents list and saved the file back to !Help. Then went to print but changed my mind in mid stream and cancelled. This locked up machine - something that seems to happen with my setup if I do that. Restarted - elected to print odd pages first, then turn over and do even pages. Printed OK - but ensure you note that your printing is done a Chapter at a time if you do the odd/even thing. 18 Applets in use. I too have a small job to use it on so we will see how it goes for real. And thanks, Roger, for the macro button. Malcolm > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112195 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944207050:10:08695:18; Fri, 03 Dec 99 07:44:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008594; 3 Dec 99 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06817 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:52 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06810 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:50 GMT Received: (qmail 12791 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 07:28:53 -0000 Received: from userh956.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.104.75) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 07:28:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'd better start by saying things could be better with the master pages, > all in due course. However if you have to hack the DDL file, here > are some comments. > >Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want to find > >and change. > OPro's internal units are the same as those in RISC OS - 72000 to > the inch. Since a point is 72 to the inch, if you set up OPro to > display in points you should be able to see the connection. [Snip] > And here the number after w and h show the pincipal text frame size. > 538584/72000 equals 7.48" > David Pilling David, Thanks for the info most useful... Ahm! (All old organ jokes aside)... What's an inch? Shouldn't we be talking about 0.3527777+mm to a point... or in a roundish way 72 points to 25.4mm or I suppose 10mm = 28.34646 (ish) points. ;-) Sorry in my line we don't do centimetres, we find it just confuses the customers. Just millimetres and Metres. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112200 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944208201:10:02879:22; Fri, 03 Dec 99 08:03:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002106; 3 Dec 99 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06812 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:51 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06805 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:49 GMT Received: (qmail 12789 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 07:28:51 -0000 Received: from userh956.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.104.75) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 07:28:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496a7f3d6edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <496a4a75addfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Deri James wrote: [Snip] > > > I believe the units used in DDL are millipoints so there are > 72000 of them to an inch:- > If you go into Misc->Preferences:General and change display unit > to points, you will see that the width is now 445.78. In the DDL > file you may well discover a line (hopefully in a "textframe" > which includes "{masterframe 1}") a line something close to "{w > 445777}". > It's not possible to give an exact formula because OvPro holds > numbers to a far greater precision than it displays in the width > setting box. > Replace this number with a suitable millipoint setting for what > you want and then reload the DDL (making very sure you have kept > a safe backup of your original document!!) > Deri First, thanks to Nick, Deri and DP for info and suggestions. It does indeed work... most useful, however the resulting file has a problem. The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) this document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc any more, just a plain old single document. How do I get around that one guys? :-( Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112207 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944214327:10:09998:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 09:45:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124233; 3 Dec 99 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07200 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:14:49 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07195 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:14:47 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06280 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:13:50 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24910 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:13:49 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Master pages Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:13:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <496a7f3d6edfs@ukgateway.net> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) this > document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc any more, > just a plain old single document. > > How do I get around that one guys? :-( Unless something really wierd's happened, you should just go to the print dialogue and select pamphlet mode - you may also need to 'View options' and select 'Facing pages' if that's how you were viewing things before. The DDL save/reload itself doesn't really do much to *content* (apart from fix problems ;-), it does however reset the view and print options etc to default values. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112208 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944214841:10:19007:22; Fri, 03 Dec 99 09:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016608; 3 Dec 99 9:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07291 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:37:28 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07286 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:37:27 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22828 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:36:29 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:35:22 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:35:22 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: !Contents Applet Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:35:19 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings I downloaded the new !Contents Applet with the intention of working out how to use it before I need to use it in earnest! Problem 1 - when I tried to print the !Help OvnPro document I got a type 5 error and had to reboot the machine. I tried again after a clean start and the same problem when printing around page 3. Saved the file as DDL and reloaded - I got it printed this time. I installed the applet and (after a restart of OvnPro) tried to insert the contents in the !Help file - I thinks it was a type 3 error this time and OnvPro exited. I tried again and got a type 5 error and then ran out of time. This is on a RPC with OS4.02 and OvnPro 2.55. Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in use - perhaps there is a clash. Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112213 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944222195:10:10955:247; Fri, 03 Dec 99 11:56:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125408; 3 Dec 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07604 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:11:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07599 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:11:00 GMT Received: from (userl428) [193.149.74.241] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11tqbB-0002eS-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:10:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:09:48 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Mike Hunter wrote: > Greetings > > I downloaded the new !Contents Applet with the intention of working out how > to use it before I need to use it in earnest! > [snip various problems] > > This is on a RPC with OS4.02 and OvnPro 2.55. > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in use - > perhaps there is a clash. Needless to say it does none of this on my machine, same OS, same version of OvnPro ... anybody else get the same problems? Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112214 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944222791:10:20449:241; Fri, 03 Dec 99 12:06:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101034; 3 Dec 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07633 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:20:02 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07618 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:19:46 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.46]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FM5WR704.414 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:18:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:18:02 +0100 Subject: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in > use - perhaps there is a clash. No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after printing, saying Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, though. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112220 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944226353:10:02383:80; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:05:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110995; 3 Dec 99 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08147 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:44:45 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08141 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:44:40 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user169.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.101]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12915 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:43:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:57:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 Message-ID: <496a9a44eemarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> References: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have downloaded the 2.55 upgrade. It de-archives with the message 'Invalid Zip File Header' Click OK and it co tinues to de-archive. Use the archive to upgrade and the upgrade 'completes successfully'. Copy the 2.55 over 2.52 and all seems to work as usual. Try to run OPro 2.55 and it gives a fatal error (Type 3) message. Try it again and the machine locks up only unforzen by ALT-BREAK and quit 'Front End'. Anyone any thoughts? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112223 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944228200:10:29730:89; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:36:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129225; 3 Dec 99 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08222 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:00:27 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08217 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:00:25 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip26 [129.69.189.26]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA16004 for Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:52:51 +0100 Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: [snip] > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). > Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any > damage, though. > Does this sound familiar to anyone? Yes, I even got this with 3.70 and now with 4.02 as well. Do you have any shared printers set up? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112224 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944228289:10:03115:58; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:38:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003413; 3 Dec 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08310 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:19:31 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08305 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:19:29 GMT Received: from modem-54.lamivudine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.54] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #0) id 11tsbU-0006LG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:18:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496aa162c0Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: [Snip] > No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after > printing, saying > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking nine times on > Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, though. Does this > sound familiar to anyone? I have seen this several times, not only with OPro, Draw for one does it as well. I agree that it always takes nine clicks to clear. If the print in background option is set this reset flushes the printer queue. RO4 Printers 1.62 -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 15:10:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112244 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 15:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944230775:10:09009:46; Fri, 03 Dec 99 14:19:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1002428; 3 Dec 99 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08435 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:58 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08430 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:56 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11tssK-0002nD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:35:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:35:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <496aa162c0Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496aa162c0Brian_and User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496aa162c0Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian and Jennie Jordan wrote: > In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: > [Snip] > > No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after > > printing, saying > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this > > message after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking > > nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, > > though. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > I have seen this several times, not only with OPro, Draw for one > does it as well. I agree that it always takes nine clicks to clear. > If the print in background option is set this reset flushes the > printer queue. > RO4 Printers 1.62 This has been the subject of posts before. If you are on a network and using shared printers, then a similar error occurs if the machine with shared printer becomes unavailable for any reason during a print job. I have seen it very occasionally here. On the other hand you may not even have a network card. Some users have reported that the error occurs because, during the upgrade process, Access has somehow been enabled without the user initially being aware, and Printers starts looking for a non-existent network share. Try checking your network settings. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 15:11:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112247 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 15:11:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944232014:10:18302:158; Fri, 03 Dec 99 14:40:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025923; 3 Dec 99 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08695 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:15:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08690 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:15:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ttTF-0004WN-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:14:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 14:08:34 GMT Message-Id: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It de-archives with the message 'Invalid Zip File Header' >Anyone any thoughts? Get an undamaged copy of the archive. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112259 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944238612:20:04130:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 16:30:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003579; 3 Dec 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:54:16 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09176 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:54:11 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08167 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:04 GMT Message-ID: <3847E80A.38D387FB@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:55:54 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I used to get an error on starting OVP 2.45:- (applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. This went away after a few upgrades. It has returned with 2.52 & 2.55. Is there an easy way to locate the source of this error & fix it? 2.55 also takes up more room than 2.50 & I cannot run therasus at the same time as 2.55 (4 meg A3010 320 meg HD). Is there something I can change to reduce memory requirements? I hope to upgrade to an RS 7500 shortly. Has anyone run OVP on one? David Pilling wrote: > > >It de-archives with the message 'Invalid Zip File Header' > >Anyone any thoughts? > > Get an undamaged copy of the archive. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112260 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944239838:20:24941:44; Fri, 03 Dec 99 16:50:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111350; 3 Dec 99 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09278 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:19:17 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09272 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:19:15 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.229]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAD21F8 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:18:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:16:58 +0100 Subject: Shared disc error Message-ID: <496ab1fbe7delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson suggested to check the network settings. And indeed, for some reason Access appeared to be enabled. Switching it off cured the bug - at least, until now. Thanks! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112262 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944240563:20:06999:56; Fri, 03 Dec 99 17:02:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006977; 3 Dec 99 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09392 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:45:46 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09387 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:45:42 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user163.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.95]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18091 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:44:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:42:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 Message-ID: <496ab4513cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Get an undamaged copy of the archive. I have downloaded four times now (having cleared the cache to ensure a fresh download and each time get the same message. Could be the quality of my out in the sticks BT line! What's the possibility of an e-mailed copy? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112265 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944240749:10:02902:181; Fri, 03 Dec 99 17:05:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029980; 3 Dec 99 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09064 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:27:09 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09059 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:27:07 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-5-100.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.100]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DFF3DB032 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:05 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496aa320b7ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496a9f4befsbellon@s User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: > [snip] > > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). > > Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any > > damage, though. > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > Yes, I even got this with 3.70 and now with 4.02 as well. Do you have > any shared printers set up? Isn't that an error that ANT suite produces when it thinks you have a printer on a network or something? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112268 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944243891:20:03010:17; Fri, 03 Dec 99 17:58:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002988; 3 Dec 99 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09591 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:29:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09586 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:29:44 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.220) [62.188.135.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11twVc-0006pV-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:28:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:29:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Merging Files Message-ID: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with DDL files. I can save both as DDL and I can see in the main document where appendix one is. Unfortunately, it is not very obvious to the computationally challenged like me just whare in the main DDL file I should make the insert. It is also not very obvious which bits of the 'appendix 2' file need to be merged as it seems to contain all sorts of information that is probably already supplied in the main file. The second file is a detailed list of addresses formatted in a particular way so I would be very miffed if I had to import it as text as set about the formatting all over again. Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL itself? TIA Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 19:08:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112287 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:07:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944246402:20:08906:29; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:40:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118351; 3 Dec 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09881 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:22:24 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09876 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:22:22 GMT Received: from modem-72.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.200] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #0) id 11txKY-0003sS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:21:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:07:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496abc1f19Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496aa162c0Brian_and User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: [Snip] > On the other hand you may not even have a network card. Some users > have reported that the error occurs because, during the upgrade > process, Access has somehow been enabled without the user initially > being aware, and Printers starts looking for a non-existent network > share. Try checking your network settings. Yup, that was it, the enable Access box was ticked. Thanks. -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 19:42:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112297 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:42:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944249199:20:18740:22; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:26:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018461; 3 Dec 99 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:56:04 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10038 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:56:03 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip45 [129.69.189.45]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id TAA21979 for Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:53:11 +0100 Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496ab54c7dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <496aa320b7ray@magray.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496a9f4befsbellon@s User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496aa320b7ray@magray.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, > > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' [snip] > > Yes, I even got this with 3.70 and now with 4.02 as well. Do you > > have any shared printers set up? > Isn't that an error that ANT suite produces when it thinks you have a > printer on a network or something? It has nothing to do with the ANT Suite. I get the error message with Socketeer and the Acorn TCP/IP stack. It's a bug in !Printers - I think. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 2-handed sword (n.): A useful tool for alignment problems -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 19:42:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112304 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:42:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944250029:10:02651:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:40:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119513; 3 Dec 99 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10185 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10177 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tyH5-000M6W-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:21:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:28:00 GMT Message-Id: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. I think you might look at the maillist archives. Very irritatingly this has come up several times, but I don't recall a solution being found. I would guess that there is something in the Applets folder inside your copy of OPro (or inside an applet) that should not be there. All this 'specific' stuff is nothing to do with me. >2.55 also takes up more room than 2.50 & I cannot run therasus >at the same time as 2.55 (4 meg A3010 320 meg HD). Is there >something I can change to reduce memory requirements? Remove some applets. Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file. I think the wimp slot in the !Run file can be reduced to 1184K. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 21:11:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112308 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:11:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944251398:10:24199:17; Fri, 03 Dec 99 20:03:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118909; 3 Dec 99 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10441 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:49:01 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10436 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:48:59 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.139] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11tygM-0002bE-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:47:55 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:48:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:47:14 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is > an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot > merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with > DDL files. > [...] > The second file is a detailed list of addresses formatted in a particular > way so I would be very miffed if I had to import it as text as set about > the formatting all over again. > > Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL > itself? I'd be interested in hearing answer with regard to DDL myself: I increasingly need to merge files and I have even been reduced to doing it at PostScript level (using PSUtils). Actually, I would welcome the facility to insert pages/chapters from one document to another. One way round your problem, in the meantime, may be as follows: 1 Create a new (blank) chapter in document 1 with the principal frame as you want it. 2 open document 2 (the appendix) 3 select all 4 copy (i.e. ctrl-c) 5 insert caret at start of blank chapter in document 1 and paste. (After stage 3, you could try just holding down select and dragging and dropping from one document to another) The exact effect of this will depend on how you have your general preferences set (if you have a different style with the same name in the appendix than you need to ensure that the rename option is selected). But you should be able to retain the formatting. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 21:11:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112307 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:11:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944250718:20:09142:25; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:51:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108751; 3 Dec 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10189 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10182 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tyH7-000M6W-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:21:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <112280@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is >an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot >merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with >DDL files. Roughly speaking a DDL file sets off with definitions of things like colours, then follow all the chapter and master page definitions. Then come the actual document chapters, pages etc. So you would have to insert a new chapter/master pages with the other such objects, and then insert the document chapter and pages. All this assumes that the fonts and colours have the same definitions (which they probably won't...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 21:12:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112318 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944255472:20:12056:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:11:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127359; 3 Dec 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10814 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:43:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10809 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:43:10 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.50) [194.69.105.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11tzWm-0005D6-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:42:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:21:25 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 3 Dec 1999 (18:28:00), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file Does this sprite only work in RO > 3.10? I've noticed it in the sprite file, but none of my backgrounds has it in - indeed my iconbar->choices or doc->misc->preferences vertical scroll bars aren't even the same texture as the rest of those two boxes - they are a paler grey than the rest of the (very plain) box. When I have OvPro loaded I normally don't load !Newlook in order to save memory; Newlook gives the scroll bars the appropriate texture, but the rest of the background is still absolutely plain grey Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 22:18:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112330 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:18:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944257987:20:16428:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:53:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016394; 3 Dec 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11027 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:36:43 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11022 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:36:41 GMT Received: (qmail 4875 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from userp106.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.91.105) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 21:35:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 20:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496ac94c79dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <496a7f3d6edfs@ukgateway.net> <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) > > this document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc > > any more, just a plain old single document. > > > > How do I get around that one guys? :-( > Unless something really wierd's happened, you should just go to the > print dialogue and select pamphlet mode - you may also need to 'View > options' and select 'Facing pages' if that's how you were viewing things > before. The DDL save/reload itself doesn't really do much to *content* > (apart from fix problems ;-), it does however reset the view and print > options etc to default values. > TTFN, Nick Thanks Nick, you've more or less answered my question. I always set up my pamphlet view with facing pages, this enables me to make sure, if I need it, that something is on a specific page side. If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should reset anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit silly as arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or expected. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 23:03:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112340 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944260628:20:22342:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:37:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022316; 3 Dec 99 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11205 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11200 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u12g-000IaJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:17:43 GMT Message-Id: <112321@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file >Does this sprite only work in RO > 3.10? I believe so. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 23:03:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112342 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:03:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944261373:20:02101:83; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:49:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129447; 3 Dec 99 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11212 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11207 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u12j-000IaJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:17:56 GMT Message-Id: <112323@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I increasingly need to merge files I've thought about this before, I suppose the primitive operation I need to supply is to copy a chapter to the clip board? Obviously I could let you drop one document into another or allow it in many other ways, but building on whats there now, thats all you'd need? Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 23:03:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112344 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944261287:10:20643:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:48:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110037; 3 Dec 99 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11176 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:31 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.78.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11u121-0000yI-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:18:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496ac36c5dray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496abc1f19Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496aa162c0Brian_and User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496abc1f19Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian and Jennie Jordan wrote: > In article <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > [Snip] > > On the other hand you may not even have a network card. Some users > > have reported that the error occurs because, during the upgrade > > process, Access has somehow been enabled without the user initially > > being aware, and Printers starts looking for a non-existent network > > share. Try checking your network settings. > Yup, that was it, the enable Access box was ticked. Thanks. If you look inside !Scrap you may now find a numbered scrap directory that can be deleted. I had this happen when the Access got left ticked. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 01:42:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112349 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 01:42:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944262863:10:21414:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:14:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021363; 3 Dec 99 23:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11498 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:00:29 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11493 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:00:27 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.235] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11u1fe-0001p1-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:59:22 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:35:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:34:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <9583d46a49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496ac94c79dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dave Symes wrote: > In article <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > > The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) > > > this document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc > > > any more, just a plain old single document. > > > > > > How do I get around that one guys? :-( > > > Unless something really wierd's happened, you should just go to the > > print dialogue and select pamphlet mode - you may also need to 'View > > options' and select 'Facing pages' if that's how you were viewing things > > before. The DDL save/reload itself doesn't really do much to *content* > > (apart from fix problems ;-), it does however reset the view and print > > options etc to default values. > > > TTFN, Nick > > Thanks Nick, you've more or less answered my question. > I always set up my pamphlet view with facing pages, this enables me to > make sure, if I need it, that something is on a specific page side. > > If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing > pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should reset > anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit silly as > arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or expected. > The point is that view or print preferences are not part of the doc structure. However, the settings for the baseline grid surely are (they interact with text styles which lock to grid) - but they are also omitted from the DDL spec. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 01:43:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112354 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 01:43:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944264835:20:18079:20; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:47:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121329; 3 Dec 99 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11800 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:30:36 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11795 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:30:35 GMT Received: (qmail 15637 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 23:29:29 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 23:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 18367 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from a135-05-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.56.102.135) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 23:12:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:06:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Merging Files To: Ovation List In-Reply-To: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 03 Dec, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is > an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot > merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with > DDL files. > > Not quite the answer you are hoping for, but... I would open both documents in OPro, Create the new chapter (or however you want to handle Appendix 2) in the main document. Highlight all of Appendix 2, CTRL-C to copy it to OPro's clipboard. Go back to the main document and CTRL-V to paste all that text in, formatting is preserved when doing this. The caveat is Styles - are styles with the same name defined differently in the two documents? If so you have to decide whether the main document is to rule, or the importing styles get added with numeric suffixes (Heading becomes Heading01 if it is different from the original style Heading etc). If you really want to learn about DDL files this might be a way to learn - keep the two DDL files you have now, merge your documents as above and save the result as DDL. Compare files to see what has been added where and what has not been added because it was already in the main document. Hope this is some help. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 01:43:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112360 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 01:43:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944263952:10:08765:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:32:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008712; 3 Dec 99 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11596 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:05:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11589 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:05:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u1kE-000M3Z-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:04:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:20:28 GMT Message-Id: <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing >pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should reset >anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit silly as >arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or expected. Because the print format and the facing pages setting are just different ways of displaying a document. You could for example have two windows open on one document, one showing facing pages, and the other not. There's no such thing as a pamphlet document, anything can be printed in paphlet form. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:15:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112390 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:15:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944294044:10:09856:18; Sat, 04 Dec 99 07:54:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009030; 4 Dec 99 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12975 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:38:48 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12970 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:38:46 GMT Received: (qmail 6270 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 07:37:35 -0000 Received: from usera707.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.68.199) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 07:37:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 07:09:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496b03b848dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing > >pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should > >reset anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit > >silly as arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or > >expected. > Because the print format and the facing pages setting are just different > ways of displaying a document. You could for example have two windows > open on one document, one showing facing pages, and the other not. > There's no such thing as a pamphlet document, anything can be printed in > paphlet form. > David Pilling Yes you are obviously correct in that anything can be printed in pamphlet form, but unless the doc is set up in a particular way beforehand, the resulting printed pamphlet is a mess. So there is such a thing as a pamphlet document, the master/template document I use whenever I want to create a pamphlet, is just that. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:15:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112388 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:15:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944277897:20:04484:28; Sat, 04 Dec 99 03:24:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122012; 4 Dec 99 3:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12404 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:10:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12399 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:10:41 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u5Zm-000Lp8-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:09:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 99 02:11:26 GMT Message-Id: <112378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, the settings for the baseline grid surely >are (they interact with text styles which lock to grid) - but >they are also omitted from the DDL spec. Yes, this is wrong. The document text preferences should be in the DDL, but they are not at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:16:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112394 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:16:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944278690:20:16002:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 03:38:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015992; 4 Dec 99 3:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12443 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:11:32 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12434 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:11:30 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id EAA21277 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 04:10:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11tued-000JKpC; Fri, 3 Dec 99 16:29 MET Message-ID: <3847E219.7F3E3578@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:30:34 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spell checkers References: <111357@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some weeks ago there was some discussion about how many words a spell checker should know (awk, auk,...) Well, here's a little something (read it out loud, please!) from the pages of Archive (six or seven years ago) which shows quite clearly that a most rigid restraint is necessary when teaching a spell checker new tricks. ;-)) Have fun! Jochen Konietzko Sow much four spelling chequers! Won knight sum phew daze a go, being a try full board, icon clue dead the tit was thyme two sea watt a spelling chequer wood do with an aviary day peace of righting. Eye sat my sulphate my usual plaice at the key bored of my valley ant Acorn and a sigh typed, I weighted in vein fore the yew till it tea too come plane, butt knot a whirr did it take except shun to. Aye no, of coarse, that a yam vary hard to pleas butt in too sheiks of a lam stale I was shore that this was not rite four me. The hare on my head stood up and I had quite a nasty tern when the lack of so fist decay shun in such annexe pensive product was slayed bear. The real eyes a shun that sow much cache had bean pay doubt to a choir a prod duct so pour, maid me ring my hands. Know underwear in a recession! Their is amoral two this storey as yew have know doubt already guest. Bee knot sow shore yore chequer nose it all, in spy toff what the cellars of the are tickle may have lead dew too be leave. To bee fare though, a grate deal of prays is jew two pea pole a bull to pro juice such works oh fart. Tony Stauber, Qatar, Arabian Gulf. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:16:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112410 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:16:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944300138:10:03679:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 09:35:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102523; 4 Dec 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13446 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:22:10 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13441 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:22:08 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-6-15.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.15]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 423447B025 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:20:52 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496ab61a8cIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in > > use - perhaps there is a clash. > No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after > printing, saying > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking nine times on > Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, though. Does this > sound familiar to anyone? See 'Share FS and _SO errors' thread in comp.sys.acorn.networking It's a problem concerning Internet and Access. To avoid it, you can switch off Access configuration in the Network section or quit !Printers before using the Internet. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:17:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112415 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:17:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944303282:10:26801:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 10:28:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119008; 4 Dec 99 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13650 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:00:35 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13645 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:00:33 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.80] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11uByL-00008U-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:59:21 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:42:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:40:54 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files Message-ID: <48f116b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112323@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I increasingly need to merge files > > I've thought about this before, I suppose the primitive operation I need to > supply is to copy a chapter to the clip board? > > Obviously I could let you drop one document into another or allow it in many other > ways, but building on whats there now, thats all you'd need? > > Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... > > Well, this does make me think a little harder about what I'd ideally want and how it might be achieved. One problem is that I sometimes need to insert just a couple of pages from doc to another, not a full chapter. For example, I sometimes have to produce a little booklet to send to publishers which explains the advertisement possibilities and rates for one of the academic journals we produce. In these I need to include a few sample pages or perhaps just a double-page spread from a recent issue of the journal. Our pages tend to include a range of placed objects - figures, captions, call outs etc - besides the principal frame, so using copy & paste is quite a pain. In another instance, we have produced a long document (about a thousand pages) as 15 smaller ones, but need to merge these as a single document for printing. We could do this, I guess at PS level if necessary, but this means that the slightest correction to a typo would mean redoing the whole thing. One thought I had was for a new 'View as thumbnails' function which allowed a view on screen of pages of the document. Groups of pages/chapters might be selectable from that view and then dragged and dropped into a different position in the document or into a different document. We could do with better thumbnails facilities anyway - it is an essential part of planning any magazine and it is currently quite a fiddle trying to print out thumbnails at the right scale and so that the double page spreads appear facing each other. We're almost there with 'View facing pages at 10%'. Could something be built on that? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:17:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112426 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:17:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944298269:20:03487:19; Sat, 04 Dec 99 09:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128578; 4 Dec 99 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13271 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:04 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13266 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:02 GMT Received: (qmail 8073 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 08:35:52 -0000 Received: from userag78.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.132.164) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 08:35:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: Ovation Pro maillist Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Web button Message-ID: <496b0b873droy.matra@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box from the iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. I have tried loading Ovation Pro after Fresco is already running or even after I am already on-line. I have tried double-clicking OvnResDir in which the Homepage file appears, at various times but nothing I do seems to allow the web button to work! What is the secret? :) Is there some option I have to set somewhere, which I haven't found yet? I started with version 2.46 and have upgraded now to 2.55 on a SA RPC using RO4.02 but this was the same even with 3.70 Any ideas anyone please? TIA Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:17:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112431 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:17:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944302463:20:23291:35; Sat, 04 Dec 99 10:14:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128879; 4 Dec 99 10:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13579 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:47:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13574 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:47:25 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.183) [62.188.133.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11uBlb-0007kF-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:46:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 23:06:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Ahm! (All old organ jokes aside)... What's an inch? 72 points. > Shouldn't we be talking about 0.3527777+mm to a point... or in a roundish > way 72 points to 25.4mm or I suppose 10mm = 28.34646 (ish) points. ;-) Probably an interesting fraction of a rod, pole, or perch too. > Sorry in my line we don't do centimetres, we find it just confuses the > customers. > Just millimetres and Metres. Ah those funny little foreign bits "must be nigh on a thousand" .. in a metre, as my father once said to a neighbour (whilst winking at me) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 16:32:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112451 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:32:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944325217:10:12468:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:33:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121379; 4 Dec 99 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14391 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14384 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11uHdc-000MeR-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:02:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 99 15:48:51 GMT Message-Id: <112442@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >recent issue of the journal. Our pages tend to include a range of >placed objects - figures, captions, call outs etc - besides the >principal frame, so using copy & paste is quite a pain. I suppose you can do select all, and copy everything on a page to the clip board. Everything except linked or master frames. This of course is the nub of the problem, you can't copy linked (or auto linked) frames, and if you could there would be no way of remaking the auto links when you pasted them back. >which allowed a view on screen of pages of the document. Groups >of pages/chapters might be selectable from that view and then >dragged and dropped into a different position in the document or >into a different document. This would probably be the ideal - a page palette with icons that you could drag around. Sounds vaguely like other packages have. However you'd probably be talking about a months work - a simple scheme with copying chapters would probably only take a couple of days. And with any scheme that lets you copy pages, you have the obvious limit that you can only copy pages which have the same master page so that you can remake auto links. >We could do with better thumbnails facilities anyway If you're talking about printing these, then its just a matter of writing a new imposition script. It sounds like a nice idea and not too hard. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 16:33:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112453 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:33:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944324451:20:00671:24; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:20:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000570; 4 Dec 99 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14389 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14379 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11uHdb-000MeR-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:02:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 99 15:44:03 GMT Message-Id: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web button X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box from the >iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up for this file i.e. Alias$@RunType_B28 which you can check with F12, *show I think this may not be the canonical way to implement this feature, but it works for me, and no one else has complained. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:50:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112476 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944329619:10:14153:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 17:46:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103584; 4 Dec 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14756 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:16:53 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14751 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:16:51 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-92.access.ch [212.161.130.220]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05989 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:15:32 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:04:50 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >(applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. > > I think you might look at the maillist archives. Very irritatingly > this has come up several times, but I don't recall a solution being found. > I would guess that there is something in the Applets folder inside > your copy of OPro (or inside an applet) that should not be there. > > All this 'specific' stuff is nothing to do with me. The EndNotes applet used to be one culprit. I have all the different versions of OP in a sub-directory named DTP_new. And was mightily surprised one day to find an Obey file in this directory named "Specific". Its contents are the following 3 lines: IfThere .!EndNotes.Library.zENMove Then Delete .!EndNotes.Library.zENMove IfThere .!EndNotes.Library.Join Then Delete .!EndNotes.Library.Join IfThere .!Bookmark Then Filer_Run .!Bookmark JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:51:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112491 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944407541:10:13890:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 15:25:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013871; 5 Dec 99 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17248 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:12:00 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17243 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:11:58 GMT Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FM900EEIWTEAN@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:10:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:10:51 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: what are the features of OvP demo To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <239ab36b49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all I'm currently designing a folder which i want to distribute on (among others) RISC OS platforms. I'm making it in OvP and will ditribute it in OvP also. My question now is what are the features of the OvP demo? Is there a list somewhere esp. with the differences between OvP 2.55 and the demo. I noticed there's no colour supplement in the demo. Does that mean i can't add any of the features of the colsup. into my document? I like to know if before i finish my folder, saves a lot trouble. grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112500 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:51:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944329046:20:05648:18; Sat, 04 Dec 99 17:37:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005588; 4 Dec 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14877 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:23:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14872 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:23:23 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.194) [62.188.150.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11uIso-0004YX-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:22:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Merging Files Message-ID: <496b373227tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Dec, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I am trying to merge two OPro files. [snip] > Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL > itself? Many thanks for the responses. I should be able to manage the task using copy and paste. I suppose I was hoping to be able to make more use of DDL. It seems like a powerful facility and a really good way to provide very fine control over a document, especially when editing or trouble-shooting. I appreciate the trial and error approach, but something a little more structured would suit me better :-) Thanks again. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112502 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944431569:10:15658:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 22:06:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127934; 5 Dec 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18081 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:50:14 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18076 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:50:13 GMT Received: from net24.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.152] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1027]) by red.paston. Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:37:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 and downloading To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <496ab4513cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB18081 Status: R On Fri 03 Dec, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > Get an undamaged copy of the archive. >=20 > I have downloaded four times now (having cleared the cache to ensure a > fresh download and each time get the same message. >=20 > Could be the quality of my out in the sticks BT line! I have at times had similar problems downloading in a rural area. I was advised by a BT engineer to contact their (BT) free help line and ask the= m to turn up the gain on your line as you are using it for your computer. BT turn down the gain on all their lines if they think you are only using= it as a voice line. It increases their profits! BT normally turn the gain up within a few minutes of your phone call! I hope it is a solution to your problem - I have not had any problems downloading since I called them! --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No:+44(0)1362 699664 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112509 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944334945:20:24206:28; Sat, 04 Dec 99 19:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123863; 4 Dec 99 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15232 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:48:44 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15227 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:48:42 GMT Received: (qmail 21287 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 18:47:26 -0000 Received: from userk626.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.202) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 18:47:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:26:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496b41a960dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > Shouldn't we be talking about 0.3527777+mm to a point... or in a > > roundish way 72 points to 25.4mm or I suppose 10mm = 28.34646 (ish) > > points. ;-) > Probably an interesting fraction of a rod, pole, or perch too. > > Sorry in my line we don't do centimetres, we find it just confuses the > > customers. > > Just millimetres and Metres. > Ah those funny little foreign bits "must be nigh on a thousand" .. in a > metre, as my father once said to a neighbour (whilst winking at me) My my that brings forth a few old memories... my father (winkingly) disparaged the change to metric measurement, often citing... "An 8ft x 4ft sheet of something I can visualise, but a 2.440 x 1.220 sheet means nothing in my minds eye." It's true of course. But back to the subject in hand. Well Steven, If I remember my schoolboy measurment table correctly... :-( In todays measure, A Rod, Pole or Perch is somewhere around 5.029 Metres, so there will be 14256 points to a single Rod, Pole or Perch. And an even larger number of millipoints... ;-) Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112514 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944472282:10:26241:18; Mon, 06 Dec 99 09:24:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126087; 6 Dec 99 9:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19484 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:05:51 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19479 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:05:49 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02696 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:05:43 GMT Message-ID: <384B7D5A.45C79DC3@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:09:46 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >(applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. > > I think you might look at the maillist archives. Very irritatingly > this has come up several times, but I don't recall a solution being found. > I would guess that there is something in the Applets folder inside > your copy of OPro (or inside an applet) that should not be there. > > All this 'specific' stuff is nothing to do with me. > No file calles specific found in the applets folder. New copys of Ovation1 down loded from web. No effect. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112516 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944475540:10:26620:29; Mon, 06 Dec 99 10:19:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023779; 6 Dec 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19650 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:46:24 GMT Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19645 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:46:22 GMT Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA24740 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:46:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:44:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Merging files (through ddl) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199912051820.SAA17642@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) > From: Mr T J Chubb > Subject: Re: Merging Files > > On 03 Dec, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > I am trying to merge two OPro files. > > [snip] > > > Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL > > itself? > > Many thanks for the responses. I should be able to manage the task using > copy and paste. I suppose I was hoping to be able to make more use of DDL. > It seems like a powerful facility and a really good way to provide very > fine control over a document, especially when editing or trouble-shooting. > I appreciate the trial and error approach, but something a little more > structured would suit me better :-) > > Thanks again. > > Tom C > I once merged two files by editing one of the ddl's and copying it into the other in zap. All objects are numbered unique (like TEXT_115 and STORY_116) and as long there were not two the same numbers in the combined doc it worked well. Don't know if it was just luck or maybe it could work this way. write an applet to find an replace all those numbers to make them unique; maybe check for styles and if they are the same deleting one of the styles. A possible solution? Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112520 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944389113:20:13934:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 10:18:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013856; 5 Dec 99 10:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16676 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:44:07 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16671 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:44:05 GMT Received: (qmail 19219 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1999 09:42:40 -0000 Received: from userbf27.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.142.48) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 09:42:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:34:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Web button Message-ID: <496b4d6414roy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, > the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up > for this file i.e. > Alias$@RunType_B28 Having checked with F12 then *show there was nothing set up for filetype B28 so not being sure how to do it, I put the following line in the !Boot file of !Fresco Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run .!Run %%*0 and now if I load !OvationPro after !Fresco the button is no longer greyed out. However, if I click on it, I get an error message that I cannot run two copies of Fresco! So having deleted Fresco from the iconbar, now if I click on the web button, Fresco loads and offers me a save box with 'HomePage' in the writable icon. Obviously my line above added to the Fresco Boot file must be wrong as I assume if Fresco is running the URL in 'HomePage' should be entered into the web page URL field and called, whilst it should only run Fresco if it is not already loaded. So how do I get this effect please? Finally I note that the URL in 'HomePage' has no at the end of it. Is this correct? TIA Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:53:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112531 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:53:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944419757:20:18035:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 18:49:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018014; 5 Dec 99 18:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17623 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:18:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17618 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:18:47 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ugDk-00006Z-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:17:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:35:28 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web button Message-ID: <7060a56b49.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta2 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >>On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box >>from the iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. > >The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, >the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up >for this file i.e. > >Alias$@RunType_B28 > >which you can check with F12, *show Checking that out shows that it is starting up WebsterXL - how do I change that so it starts Browse (or uses Browse if already running)? -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:53:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112537 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:53:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944492593:10:06001:314; Mon, 06 Dec 99 15:03:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106039; 6 Dec 99 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20334 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:21:58 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20329 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:21:56 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id OAA18854; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:21:48 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:13:06 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary Message-ID: <8ea82c6c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Ernst Dinkla wrote: > David Pilling quoted: > > > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > > >dictionaries on your web site. > > > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a > > >point on the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the > > >!HyphDict. For normal use you have to remove the point. > > > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of > > >words of the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required > > >by the Dutch and Belgian government. > > I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > of this message. > > Ernst How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112543 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944436594:20:20236:41; Sun, 05 Dec 99 23:29:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020118; 5 Dec 99 23:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18291 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:02:40 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18286 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:02:38 GMT Received: (qmail 15539 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1999 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 23:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 10292 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1999 22:38:54 -0000 Received: from a008-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.8) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 22:38:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:53:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Merging Files To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <48f116b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 04 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >I increasingly need to merge files > > > > I've thought about this before, I suppose the primitive operation I need to > > supply is to copy a chapter to the clip board? > > > > Obviously I could let you drop one document into another or allow it in many other > > ways, but building on whats there now, thats all you'd need? > > > > Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... > > Same as selecting a chapter for Save chapter as DDL? I found today this works for transferring the text from one document to another - standard RiscOS behaviour of a document accepting the result of a save from another. > > > Well, this does make me think a little harder about what I'd > ideally want and how it might be achieved. > > One problem is that I sometimes need to insert just a couple of > pages from doc to another, not a full chapter. For example, I > sometimes have to produce a little booklet to send to publishers > which explains the advertisement possibilities and rates for one > of the academic journals we produce. In these I need to include > a few sample pages or perhaps just a double-page spread from a > recent issue of the journal. Our pages tend to include a range of > placed objects - figures, captions, call outs etc - besides the > principal frame, so using copy & paste is quite a pain. > My use of DDL mentioned above is no good in this situation. For this use I would consider making an EPS of the page and placing that (is that feature released yet?), assuming you are using PostScript for final output. On another platform I used to do this quite a lot when laying out a newsletter and had to include what had originally been A4 posters as adverts within the page, or even 4 to a page. It doesn't matter too much if there's no preview in the EPS file as you just want to reproduce an existing layout and don't need to relate much, if any, of the current document to it. This sometimes ended up with multiple levels of embedded EPSes if there were logos on the original page. > In another instance, we have produced a long document (about a > thousand pages) as 15 smaller ones, but need to merge these as a > single document for printing. We could do this, I guess at PS > level if necessary, but this means that the slightest correction > to a typo would mean redoing the whole thing. > How about an option to chain a number of documents together at print time, with a pre-pass to renumber pages and add a to the end of a chapter if necessary to keep the next chapter start on the correct side - it is a pain to have to manually check. This is how Pagemaker used to work (version 5 and I think 6 and 6.5 but I haven't used it for over 2 years). There was a feature to set up a book from one chapter by associating other files as the rest of the book. Printing from the controlling chapter could either be that chapter only (as if it were a stand-alone document), or the whole book. Once you have a multi-file book someone will need to be able to generate contents and index from the whole set (perhaps the index becoming another linked chapter/document). > One thought I had was for a new 'View as thumbnails' function > which allowed a view on screen of pages of the document. Groups > of pages/chapters might be selectable from that view and then > dragged and dropped into a different position in the document or > into a different document. We could do with better thumbnails > facilities anyway - it is an essential part of planning any > magazine and it is currently quite a fiddle trying to print out > thumbnails at the right scale and so that the double page spreads > appear facing each other. > > We're almost there with 'View facing pages at 10%'. Could > something be built on that? > > David > Again referring back to my experience with PageMaker - I liked its thumbnails when printing postscript (don't think it was available for non-postscript, at least in its first implementation). The pages were facing pairs correctly with a frame round each page and a drop shadow to the outside of each page. When choosing to print thumbnails you chose how many per sheet, I found eight portrait pages per landscape sheet usefull, or even 16 per portrait sheet. Sorry to bang on about PM, I used it in 3 versions for 9 years but still chose Ovation then Opro for home. I commented on the PM mailing list at the time how easy OPro's pamphlet printing is - PM didn't have it at all up to and including v5 (I never got to use 6 or later). I would welcome seeing other people's comments, and I expect David Pilling would appreciate a lively discussion before deciding whether or how to program these features. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112545 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944463941:20:11179:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 07:05:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011165; 6 Dec 99 7:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19191 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:35:31 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19186 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:35:28 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27785 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:35:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199912060635.HAA27785@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 04 Dec 1999 11:43:46 GMT Subject: Re: Images MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 944462066 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: > > > >>It would be interesting if there was an applet called >>David Pilling's scanning software...? Can that be done? > >What create an applet with the same name as a well known application >and thus cause confusion? Yep I think we can do that 8-) > >There's always been the thought that David Pilling's scanning software has facilities >(like loading foreign file formats) which OPro lacks. >It would be easy to link the code in, but of course it would make OPro >a lot bigger, and I've never been able to settle on a protocol for >linking the two. > >Presumeably though for bit map editing, OLE is all you need. > Why not PCA ? It was, erm, a nice proposal, was it ? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112549 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944476813:20:09576:28; Mon, 06 Dec 99 10:40:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009364; 6 Dec 99 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19766 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:24:14 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19760 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:24:09 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28307 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:24:00 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:23:49 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:23:49 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B4@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Problem printing pictures Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:23:47 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, Following my posting last week about the !Contents applet I have spent the weekend trying to find out what the problem is. First it is not to !Contents applet although the !Help file is one of some which I cannot print reliably every time. If I try to print it the printing stops with an error message (in an only half drawn box) when I get to the third page - the first with a picture. Internal error no stack for trap handler Data abort:pc=000F3D4C registers at 0012A5EC (print cancelled) (I always get the same message) Alt+Break allows me to quit OvnPro. Saving as DDL overcomes this problem and it prints OK. Trying to print the original file (not resaved) then usually works OK now. Try saving a sprite (screengrab) into a document always prints OK even after a restart. Help files for !Version does not print (again with picture.) Reloaded Ovn Pro (2.55) and also !printers (I'm using Turbo drivers) - Ensured prescan is selected. Removed most of the unused applets - I think it crashed even with them all removed. This might not be a new problem as I cannot identify what it is that causes the problem. May have been there since I upgraded to OS4.02. I don't think it is anything to do with !Transloaders but I did remember that I had not put the updated versions in the startup sequence - have now - made no difference. Any thoughts? Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112553 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944483610:20:26567:65; Mon, 06 Dec 99 12:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026260; 6 Dec 99 12:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20080 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:14:31 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20075 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:14:29 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-71.access.ch [212.161.129.71]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12378 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:14:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:53:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Web button To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:47:53 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Web button To: OVATIONP-L On Sat 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box from the > >iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. > > The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, > the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up > for this file i.e. > > Alias$@RunType_B28 > > which you can check with F12, *show The last 2 lines of the !Boot file of Ant's InetSuite read as follows: Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run Inet:Bin.URL %%*0 Set File$Type_B28 URL To which OPro reacts as well. So probably inserting this text in some or other !Boot file (OPro, Browser !Boot file) should work. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 19:36:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112625 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:36:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944507165:20:00403:28; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:06:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000606; 6 Dec 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20991 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20986 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v35f-000GMc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 18:28:28 GMT Message-Id: <112587@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm making it in OvP and will ditribute it in OvP also. My question now is >what are the features of the OvP demo? Is there a list somewhere esp. with >the differences between OvP 2.55 and the demo. I noticed there's no colour >supplement in the demo. Does that mean i can't add any of the features of the >colsup. into my document? The demo is 2.49, it does everything the real 2.49 does except save. You can install the colour supplement in it (or any other applet). I am about to bring the demo version up to date with the latest version. Maybe I should include the colour supplement applet... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 19:36:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112629 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944508883:20:11641:26; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:34:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116077; 6 Dec 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21264 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:18:01 GMT Received: from virtual1.giganet.nl (tarantula.giganet.nl [212.125.143.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21259 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:17:56 GMT Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by virtual1.giganet.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.10) with ESMTP id UAA19522 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:17:45 +0100 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id UAA26606 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:17:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:17:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8ea82c6c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 Dec, F.R. Polak wrote: > In message > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > > David Pilling quoted: > > > > > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > > > >dictionaries on your web site. > > > > > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > > > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > > > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > > > > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a > > > >point on the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the > > > >!HyphDict. For normal use you have to remove the point. > > > > > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of > > > >words of the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required > > > >by the Dutch and Belgian government. > > > > I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be > > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > > of this message. > > > > Ernst > > How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while > the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. > > Any help is appreciated. It isn't difficult. You have to remove the points in the words of the list. You can do this with !Edit (Find/replace). Load OvationPro. Open the dictionary (Misc/Spellcheck/Dictionary), and create a Dutch dictionary for instance Nederlands. Then open the dictionary with the edit button. Now you have opened your (empty) Dutch dictionary. Drop the file with the dutch words into this window. Wait probably a minute of two and you will see your new dutch dictionary appear. Don't forget to close the window with OK in the edit and in the load/edit/create window. If you don't do this the file will not be saved. succes, Dick -- D.Wolters, Maastricht e-mail: woltersd@cuci.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 19:36:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112630 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:36:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944508885:20:11766:26; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:34:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011779; 6 Dec 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21122 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21116 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:12 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3SH-0002lE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:05:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:08:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3843F94A.8476CD19@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Jochen Konietzko schreef: > Ernst Dinkla schrieb: > > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > > of this message. > I suppose you would have to talk CC into doing it for you (do you believe in > miracles?), because the Impression user dictionaries can be only 8 kB in size. Of course I do not believe in CC miracles, lost that believe when I send some snailmail comments on Impression and ArtWorks bugs six or seven years ago. I was thinking of a nice hack by someone. It is a pity that Guttorm decided to use the Impression dictionaries. No chance they will ever be upgraded. maybe not that important for English but for Dutch and German it is. Is there another way to get spelling control in StrongEd? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:56:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112642 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511319:20:13868:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:15:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107919; 6 Dec 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21571 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z6-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:27:31 GMT Message-Id: <112620@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Presumeably though for bit map editing, OLE is all you need. >Why not PCA ? It was, erm, a nice proposal, was it ? Because David Pilling's scanning software does not hold sprites internally in the RISC OS format (because it supports virtual memory) The idea of PCA is that you edit data in another programs workspace. But if OPro has a sprite in it, to David Pilling's scanning software that data makes no sense. I believe PCA is still alive - PCA2 and the new Compo suports it and Rob Davidson has done lots of new things for it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:56:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112643 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:56:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511320:20:13927:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:15:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013831; 6 Dec 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21558 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21550 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z1-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:14:48 GMT Message-Id: <112612@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No file called specific found in the applets folder. New copys >of Ovation1 down loded from web. No effect. Its more a case of if there is any file which contains a mention of 'specific' in there. Using a file contents finder like Acorns !Find would be a good test. Same thing on the main !OvnPro.Library folder. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112645 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944510330:10:12961:113; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:58:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012420; 6 Dec 99 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21115 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21110 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:09 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3SI-0002lE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:05:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:53:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8ea82c6c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 Dec, F.R. Polak wrote: > How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while > the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. Het staat prachtig beschreven in het Ovation handboek op blz. 173 t/m 175. En specifiek op blz. 175. Maak in ieder geval van de bestanden tekstbestanden voor ze in het menu geplaatst worden. The creation of new dictionaries is described in the manual. I can choose between the English dictionary and the Dutch I made from the files on the quoted site. For hyphenation I did remove the original English version and replaced it with the Dutch version as that one should be used more often. To be honest I don't know whether it actually works. Is it possible to have two Hyph. versions and select one at a time? A naive question. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112649 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511381:20:15161:21; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:16:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015019; 6 Dec 99 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21584 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21562 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z4-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:21:35 GMT Message-Id: <112616@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while >the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. If you open the edit window on (e.g. a new) dictionary, then you can drop plain text files into it, and the words will be added. The text file should contain one word per line. Similarly menuing over the window will open a save box allowing you to save a dictionary as a text file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112651 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511405:10:29862:171; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1004323; 6 Dec 99 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20985 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20980 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:41 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v35e-000GMc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 18:22:50 GMT Message-Id: <112585@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 and downloading X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Could be the quality of my out in the sticks BT line! >I have at times had similar problems downloading in a rural area. I was >advised by a BT engineer to contact their (BT) free help line and ask them >to turn up the gain on your line as you are using it for your computer. Certainly getting BT to turn up the gain can work wonders for modem reliability. But, these days all modem links are error corrected, on top of which the internet protocol that shifts the data is error corrected too. One big problem is truncation - where the file you download is too short, but you can probably spot this by looking at the archive file length. If you actually have a corrupt file, its hard to explain. Problems with your software or hardware seem more likely than the one in a billion line noise glitch that will get past the modems error checking. Everyone agrees that the future is software distribution over the 'net - spot the flaw in that argument... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112653 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511462:10:10739:356; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:17:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006300; 6 Dec 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21699 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21694 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v43f-000PEf-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:39:24 GMT Message-Id: <112634@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Of course I do not believe in CC miracles, lost that believe when I >send some snailmail comments on Impression and ArtWorks bugs six or >seven years ago. I was thinking of a nice hack by someone. Yes should not be too hard, it consists of the dictionary data glued onto a module. So all you'd have to do is work out the data format and make a program to produce it. Its all a bit reminiscent of my MicroSpell module (on the web site), which will give you check as you type in any program (probably not what you want). (and the programs for gluing new words to the module exist). The CC thing goes back to BBC days, massive 128K ROM, I wonder if anyone hacked the format back then. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112660 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944513787:10:20909:47; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:56:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128970; 6 Dec 99 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21572 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21555 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z2-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:18:02 GMT Message-Id: <112614@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web button X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In my (ANT) !Internet, the !Boot file has Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run Inet:Bin.URL %%*0 Set File$Type_B28 URL So its that which sets it not Fresco. I assume the current URL file is OK, because it works. The usual thing is that an application when running will pick up a filer run of one of its file types, if it doesn't (i.e. because it is not running) then the runtype action gets executed (normally running the program). Because things work this way you don't get multiple copies of things on the icon bar. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 21:25:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112669 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 21:25:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944513912:20:16353:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:58:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102555; 6 Dec 99 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21598 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21577 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z7-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:32:19 GMT Message-Id: <112622@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem printing pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Reloaded Ovn Pro (2.55) and also !printers (I'm using Turbo drivers) - >Ensured prescan is selected. Removed most of the unused applets - I think it >crashed even with them all removed. Simplifying the system is a good idea. It can be due to a corrupt document, or a corrupt sprite (or one that is in a screen mode that is not supported). I'd be inclined to see if things crash printing to a non-Turbo driver (easy enough to install any old driver and print to file). Transloaders only come into play at the instant a file is loaded. They should have nothing to do with printing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 21:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112673 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 21:25:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944514865:20:08101:27; Mon, 06 Dec 99 21:14:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007826; 6 Dec 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21594 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21566 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z5-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:24:13 GMT Message-Id: <112618@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>> Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... >Same as selecting a chapter for Save chapter as DDL? Yes, ideally you should be able to select and save anything as DDL, and it should work. It does almost already. >For this use I would consider making an EPS of the page and placing that (is >that feature released yet?), assuming you are using PostScript for final >output. Yes EPS is here - 2.55 + EPS applet. >How about an option to chain a number of documents together at print time, >with a pre-pass to renumber pages and add a to the end of a chapter if >necessary to keep the next chapter start on the correct side - it is a pain >Once you have a multi-file book someone will need to be able to generate >contents and index from the whole set (perhaps the index becoming another >linked chapter/document). Yeah all holy grail stuff. I would like to do this and can see the need. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 22:53:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112694 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 22:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944519595:10:11179:20; Mon, 06 Dec 99 22:33:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108445; 6 Dec 99 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22700 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:15:29 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22695 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:15:27 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s6-7-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.7]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:05:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <112587@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 06 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I'm making it in OvP and will ditribute it in OvP also. My question now is > >what are the features of the OvP demo? Is there a list somewhere esp. with > >the differences between OvP 2.55 and the demo. I noticed there's no colour > >supplement in the demo. Does that mean i can't add any of the features of the > >colsup. into my document? > > The demo is 2.49, it does everything the real 2.49 does except save. > You can install the colour supplement in it (or any other applet). > > I am about to bring the demo version up to date with the latest version. > Maybe I should include the colour supplement applet... > > Does it print then? I also have the problem of circulating documents. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 00:17:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112720 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 00:17:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944523336:10:13524:16; Mon, 06 Dec 99 23:35:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109237; 6 Dec 99 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23021 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:20:18 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23016 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:20:17 GMT Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FMC00G43E5FYV@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:20:04 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 00:20:32 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <3945646c49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Mon 06 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > The demo is 2.49, it does everything the real 2.49 does except save. > > You can install the colour supplement in it (or any other applet). > > > > I am about to bring the demo version up to date with the latest version. > > Maybe I should include the colour supplement applet... > > > > > Does it print then? I also have the problem of circulating documents. > I haven't try it for real, but when i printed an epty document to a posctript file, it didn't complain, so i do think so grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 00:18:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112721 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 00:17:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944523580:10:18897:20; Mon, 06 Dec 99 23:39:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018716; 6 Dec 99 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22990 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:10:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22985 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:10:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v7Gn-000BuG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:10:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 22:55:44 GMT Message-Id: <112703@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Hi, Yes the demo version prints. It does *everything* except allow you to save documents. So if you have one of these 'five nines' machines you can use it for free ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112738 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944539307:20:04204:21; Tue, 07 Dec 99 04:01:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003993; 7 Dec 99 4:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23635 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23628 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vB8r-000Bwf-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 02:49:02 GMT Message-Id: <112734@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Some comments about 2.56. First thanks to Nick Kaijaks for improving the NewFuncs file. The Fill applet was something I devised on my own in August 1996. However neither myself nor Beebug could work out how to complete the user interface. Several times the idea of "finishing it in time for the show" came up... My aim now is to produce a version with dedicated PostScript support for graduated fills. This seems to be the thing to do, although the current system for rendering them may not do too much harm. It should only mean a new version of the fill applet. After that I want to implement some of the ideas which have been suggested here in recent weeks - auto save, borders etc. This marks the completion of the plan I put forward in July after the take over from Beebug. Taking another peek at the future, I expect to move on to improving the the text side of the program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112739 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944538935:10:10975:19; Tue, 07 Dec 99 03:55:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104491; 7 Dec 99 3:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23632 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23623 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vB8p-000Bwf-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 02:49:00 GMT Message-Id: <112732@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.56 released... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. Improvements include; * Better hyphenation * Many bug fixes However the main event is that you can use the new Fill applet with it. The Fill applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. It provides pattern, hatched and graduated fills. Currently it lacks dedicated PostScript output for graduated fills, which means whilst it is suitable for desktop printer use (including PS printers), it may not be for professional printing. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Thanks to everyone who read the !!ReadMe instructions file with the last upgrade. Things went much more smoothly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112742 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944539037:10:12993:17; Tue, 07 Dec 99 03:57:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012419; 7 Dec 99 3:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23621 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:31 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23616 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vB8o-000Bwf-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 02:48:57 GMT Message-Id: <112730@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Macros articles now on web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have added an archive to the resource file section of the OvationPro web site which contains two articles written by John Pettigrew published in the February and March 1999 editions of Acorn User, on how to write macros. The author and Steve Turnbull (editor of Acorn User) have kindly allowed me to reproduce these articles. This is the URL http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/filelib/files/auart.zip If anyone knows of any other material about OPro that I should try to cadge, let me know. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112746 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944573875:20:09792:62; Tue, 07 Dec 99 13:37:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112914; 7 Dec 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25174 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:08:35 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25169 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:08:34 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.23]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4A80 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:07:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:07:26 +0100 Subject: OvationPro 2.56 Message-ID: <496caff997delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Again very, VERY impressed by this update. Especially the stunning fill applet! Thanks a lot, again! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:24:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112748 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:24:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944575603:20:13153:50; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:06:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014803; 7 Dec 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25103 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:59:14 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25098 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:59:12 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26533 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:58:51 GMT Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:59:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Fill Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Very impressed! I did cause a Type 2, however. I was exploring the new applet as usual by playing with it at random. I got a reproducible type 2 when changing first 'angle' to 90 deg and then 'skew' to 90 deg. This was proabably silly - I was just trying to find out what they did by altering the values. The rest of the dialogue was set to 'graduated' and 'linear' and I can't remember what the other settings were. Alf Chamings -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:25:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112752 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:25:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944560463:10:07495:91; Tue, 07 Dec 99 09:54:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012403; 7 Dec 99 9:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24390 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:10:01 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24383 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:09:59 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22345 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:09:40 GMT Message-ID: <384CCFE4.22CB3BD@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:14:12 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112612@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Removing ALL applets has stoped this message. I am now installing them one at a time untill I get the error. PS where can I get !Find (and !Zap as well) from? David Pilling wrote: > > >No file called specific found in the applets folder. New copys > >of Ovation1 down loded from web. No effect. > > Its more a case of if there is any file which contains a mention of > 'specific' in there. Using a file contents finder like Acorns !Find > would be a good test. > > Same thing on the main !OvnPro.Library folder. > > David Pilling -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:25:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112757 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:25:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944572884:10:15163:71; Tue, 07 Dec 99 13:21:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105081; 7 Dec 99 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24859 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:56:57 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24854 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:56:56 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id MAA14552; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:56:36 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:47:34 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Dick Wolters wrote: > In on Mon 06 Dec, F.R. Polak wrote: > > In message > > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > > > > David Pilling quoted: > > > > > > > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > > > > >dictionaries on your web site. > > > > > > > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > > > > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > > > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > > > > > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > > > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > > > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > > > > > > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a > > > > >point on the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the > > > > >!HyphDict. For normal use you have to remove the point. > > > > > > > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of > > > > >words of the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required > > > > >by the Dutch and Belgian government. > > > > > > I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be > > > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > > > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > > > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > > > of this message. > > > > > > Ernst > > > > How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while > > the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > It isn't difficult. You have to remove the points in the words of the list. > You can do this with !Edit (Find/replace). > > Load OvationPro. Open the dictionary (Misc/Spellcheck/Dictionary), and > create a Dutch dictionary for instance Nederlands. Then open the dictionary > with the edit button. > Now you have opened your (empty) Dutch dictionary. > Drop the file with the dutch words into this window. Wait probably a minute > of two and you will see your new dutch dictionary appear. Don't forget to > close the window with OK in the edit and in the load/edit/create window. If > you don't do this the file will not be saved. > > succes, > > Dick > I want to thank all of you and especially Dick Wolters for their help! It seems all so easy now. I should have read the manual better I think ;-) Regards, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:25:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112758 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:25:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944573006:10:12718:1039; Tue, 07 Dec 99 13:23:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106021; 7 Dec 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25019 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:43:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25014 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:43:26 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vJxN-0007Qu-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:43:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:44:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that print margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view menu. Interesting! I have just checked with my older versions( 2.52. 2.55) and they don't work with either of these. Perhaps they have not worked since I upgraded to 4.02. Not desperate, but I would like them back sometime. Ian -- ____ __ _ _ __ _____ _ _ ____ _ _ (_ _) /__\ ( \( ) ( ) ( _ )( \/\/ )( _ \( \/ ) _)(_ /(__)\ ) ( )(__ )(_)( ) ( ) / \ / (____)(__)(__)(_)\_) (____)(_____)(__/\__)(_)\_) (__) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112771 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944579750:10:24723:929; Tue, 07 Dec 99 15:15:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006548; 7 Dec 99 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25521 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:19:04 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25516 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:19:02 GMT Received: from modem-111.kole-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.36.111] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11vLRw-00014p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:18:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cb662feBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> References: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > Hi > Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that print > margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view menu. [Snip] Print margins are shown here in 2.56 (RO 4.02). -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112772 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944583626:10:08126:380; Tue, 07 Dec 99 16:20:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1113585; 7 Dec 99 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25687 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vM6H-0008wJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:32:45 GMT Message-Id: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Print margins work for me... They only work if you have a printer driver loaded though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112773 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944585960:10:14728:133; Tue, 07 Dec 99 16:59:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011255; 7 Dec 99 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26079 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:19:15 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26072 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:19:13 GMT Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.210.51]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAABE6 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:18:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:20:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: Output to printer gone wrong. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Using a HP Deskjet 520 with OP(2.55) running on an SA RiscOsPC with a turbo print driver or an HP driver I had a spot of trouble with !Contents not working on some files. Since the things got progressively worse. OP, when asked to print out any file, rips of a line of number and symbols, ejects the sheet and give the next sheet the same treatment. The compupter then gets stuck when I switch off the printer. The printer respods normally to the self-test. I've checked the connections. Tried other printer drivers. It does print to file, however. As I use the set up quite a lot, I should be very grateful for any suggestions. MTIA, Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112780 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944583391:20:14157:28; Tue, 07 Dec 99 16:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111792; 7 Dec 99 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25887 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:34:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25882 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:34:55 GMT Received: from foursqre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.130] helo=RiscPC01) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vMdI-000CbY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:34:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:28:18 +0000 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: References: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Ian Lowry wrote: > Hi > Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that print > margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view menu. > > Interesting! I have just checked with my older versions( 2.52. 2.55) and > they don't work with either of these. Perhaps they have not worked since I > upgraded to 4.02. I haven't fetched 2.56 yet, but the print margins display okay in 2.55. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 989 0929 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:14:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112784 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944588187:20:13218:22; Tue, 07 Dec 99 17:36:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106280; 7 Dec 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26277 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:04:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26272 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:04:17 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vO1h-000P5j-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:03:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:05:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cc5c8ecian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > Print margins work for me... They only work if you have > a printer driver loaded though. > David Pilling Thanks David - spot on! I have recently stopped loading printers until required due to an overlong Iconbar. Sorry about the unnecessary post and thanks again for upgrade and the fun fills. Now I must devise some excuse to use them. Regards, Ian -- ____ __ _ _ __ _____ _ _ ____ _ _ (_ _) /__\ ( \( ) ( ) ( _ )( \/\/ )( _ \( \/ ) _)(_ /(__)\ ) ( )(__ )(_)( ) ( ) / \ / (____)(__)(__)(_)\_) (____)(_____)(__/\__)(_)\_) (__) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:36:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112796 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:36:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944594343:20:14905:19; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116600; 7 Dec 99 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26652 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26647 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:56 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.201) [193.149.80.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vPrf-0004JN-00; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:57:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have finally taken the plunge and upgraded OP from v2.46 which I've used for several years without problem. Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an applet called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version of OP doesn't seem to know about. As I upgraded from v2.46 to v2.51 then to v2.52 and finally to v2.56, I don't know which of the upgrades causes the problem though I suppose if desperate I could try working backwards. Has anyone spotted this problem? Fortunately I have kept a copy of v2.46 so if I actually need to write in a different script like Russian I am not actually stuck! But does anyone have any ideas? Of course I suppose I may have done something wrong though I think I followed the instructions correctly. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 20:08:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112809 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:08:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944596070:20:26183:16; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026144; 7 Dec 99 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26707 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:15:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26702 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:14:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vQ4J-000HYN-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:14:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:59:51 GMT Message-Id: <112769@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >PS where can I get !Find (and !Zap as well) from? Find is part of Acorns C package, however there are plenty of PD equivalents, see HENSA, etc. Zap is in most PD collections, but http://www.zap.uk.eu.org seems to be the home site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 20:17:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112810 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:17:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944597481:20:03269:17; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:11:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104512; 7 Dec 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26843 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:42:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26838 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:42:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vQUR-0009bB-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:41:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:38:30 GMT Message-Id: <112798@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an applet >called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to >be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version >of OP doesn't seem to know about. A guess... His applets have to be installed, because they insert a library script, you can't just copy the applets from and old copy of the program to a new one, you've gotta run the installer on the new program. Other tip would be to get the latest version of Russian or whatever. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 21:39:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112820 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 21:39:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944599245:10:15741:48; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:40:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022484; 7 Dec 99 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26737 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:20:04 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26732 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:20:02 GMT Received: from modem-82.oxygen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.210] helo=gwen) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11vQ9C-0003nl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 19:19:38 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:21:26 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rodger Davis wrote: > Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an applet > called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to > be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version > of OP doesn't seem to know about. That'll be in the !RJETLib file which you'll find in your 2.46 version's !OvnPro.Library folder. Copy across that file, and any other files in the Library folder that aren't in your new version, and all should work again. As you'll have discovered, the upgrade process won't copy across any extra files that you added. This isn't too bad if you're just copying applets, but it can be easy to forget about other files, such as these which are added implicitly by running an applet installer program. HTH, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 21:40:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112824 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 21:40:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944601284:20:15896:18; Tue, 07 Dec 99 21:14:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015083; 7 Dec 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27346 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27341 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:29 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.194) [62.188.150.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vRgP-0000TL-00; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:28:05 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: RE: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 7 Dec 1999 (19:21:26), nick.kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk wrote: >Rodger Davis wrote: > >> Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an >applet called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to >> be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version >> of OP doesn't seem to know about. > >That'll be in the !RJETLib file which you'll find in your 2.46 >version's !OvnPro.Library folder. Copy across that file, and any other >files in the Library folder that aren't in your new version, and all >should work again. > >As you'll have discovered, the upgrade process won't copy across any >extra files that you added. This isn't too bad if you're just copying >applets, but it can be easy to forget about other files, such as these >which are added implicitly by running an applet installer program. >Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print >http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ >mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor Yes! Thanks... I looked to see if anything didn't get copied but obviously and stupidly I didn't spot this file even though it is clearly identified by its name! Thanks also to David Pilling whose suggestion would also have worked of course. Astounding! I only sent my query about 6 o'clock and I have the answer after only two hours! Thanks again... (perhaps I'd better actually try writing something in Russian now!) -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 01:24:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112853 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:24:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944613503:20:06365:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 00:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124840; 8 Dec 99 0:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27812 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:20:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27807 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:20:57 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vUqM-000LuD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:20:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:41:57 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet Message-ID: <8c96d96c49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Alf Chamings wrote: > Very impressed! > > I did cause a Type 2, however. I was exploring the new applet as usual by > playing with it at random. I got a reproducible type 2 when changing first > 'angle' to 90 deg and then 'skew' to 90 deg. This was proabably silly - I was > just trying to find out what they did by altering the values. The rest of the > dialogue was set to 'graduated' and 'linear' and I can't remember what the > other settings were. I can reproduce this using the fill gadget. Also the help message for the fill tool is out of sequence (operates on the grabber tool above). Ah, the grabber tool is another applet. Ok, well it happens with both running. No big deal. I'll add my compliments. Amazing. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 01:25:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112854 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:24:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944613581:20:09022:22; Wed, 08 Dec 99 00:39:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126026; 8 Dec 99 0:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27744 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:10:41 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27739 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:10:39 GMT Received: (qmail 1013 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1999 00:10:12 -0000 Received: from user1213.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.213) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1999 00:10:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cb077d5ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> References: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > Hi Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that > print margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view > menu. > Interesting! I have just checked with my older versions( 2.52. 2.55) > and they don't work with either of these. Perhaps they have not worked > since I upgraded to 4.02. I haven't upgraded to to.56 yet, but the print margins work finer here with 2.55 and RO 4.02. I have a Kyocera running PS via the Acorn !Printers 1.62 I just checked, and Arcfax and my ESC 740 print margins work OK as well. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 01:25:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112855 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:25:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944613812:20:16765:25; Wed, 08 Dec 99 00:43:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129762; 8 Dec 99 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27788 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:15:41 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27783 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:15:39 GMT Received: from modem-119.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.119] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11vUlE-0002n7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:15:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:46:08 GMT From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <0073ea6c49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro Spell checker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I don't know whether it's something to do with me, but I'm getting a touch irritated with the spell checker. It has entries for dont, wont, didnt, etc, but it objects to them with apostrophies in. (I'm using smart quotes). Is there something I can do to change this? Also it doesn't seem able to handle plurals well, or it might just be for words in the user dictionary. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:05:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112875 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:05:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944624227:10:18627:18; Wed, 08 Dec 99 03:37:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101951; 8 Dec 99 3:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28426 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28417 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vXee-00047F-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:20:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:46:30 GMT Message-Id: <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Spell checker X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't know whether it's something to do with me, but I'm getting a touch >irritated with the spell checker. It has entries for dont, wont, didnt, etc, The OPro one doesn't. You must be using some other alien dictionary. >but it objects to them with apostrophies in. (I'm using smart quotes). The Opro one has don't etc. in, and the program is smart enough to match smart or normal quotes >Is there something I can do to change this? Add the missing words to the dictionary or have both your current dictionary and the OPro one loaded. >Also it doesn't seem able to handle plurals well, or it might just be for >words in the user dictionary. It expects all versons of a word to be in the dictionary awk awks awking etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:05:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112876 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:05:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944624961:20:09685:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 03:49:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121106; 8 Dec 99 3:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28429 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28422 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vXef-00047F-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:20:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:46:38 GMT Message-Id: <112868@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I did cause a Type 2, however. I was exploring the new applet as usual by >> 'angle' to 90 deg and then 'skew' to 90 deg. This was proabably silly - I was >I can reproduce this using the fill gadget. Didn't your mother tell you to keep away from singularities. I have fixed this. >Also the help message for the fill tool is out of sequence Thanks, thats wrong too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:06:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112882 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:06:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944651294:20:11899:21; Wed, 08 Dec 99 11:08:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011547; 8 Dec 99 11:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29226 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:38:10 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29221 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:38:08 GMT Received: from au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.251.169]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA26796 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:37:36 GMT Received: from AU04/SpoolDir by au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 8 Dec 99 10:38:05 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by AU04 (Mercury 1.44); 8 Dec 99 10:38:05 GMT From: "David Briggs" Organization: University of Portsmouth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:38:04 GMT0BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fill Applet In-reply-to: <8c96d96c49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: Message-ID: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:41:57 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet Reply-to: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Upgraded my OP 2.55 to 2.56 last night with no problems. The fill applet is seriously impressive. I only played with it for a short while but I got some amazing metallic effects with the graduated linear & radial fill routines. Will experiment some more tonight. Although it has already been mentioned here I did come across the bug when entering 90deg into the skew box. But I have just seen a post from DP which mentions that this has now been fixed. Congratulations David. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message David Briggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:06:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112886 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:06:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944653857:20:06284:21; Wed, 08 Dec 99 11:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006204; 8 Dec 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29450 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:22 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29445 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:20 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05375 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:32:46 GMT Message-ID: <384E430C.F35DFF93@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:37:48 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Which Sprites22 file there are several inside OV pro. Also when I shift click on them they just lode masses of symblols into edit. I can not see any ref in them to tile_1 sprite. Also now I am getting a new error from MergLib "double deffination at line 1". David Pilling wrote: > > Remove some applets. Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 15:05:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112900 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 15:05:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944662636:20:27632:20; Wed, 08 Dec 99 14:17:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105755; 8 Dec 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29807 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:46:22 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29802 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:46:08 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12077 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12062 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:45:13 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3186@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:45:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, fills look like a really nice improvement.. NB I think you published the !Fill applet at http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/fill.zip but didn't update the list of new releases at http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/new/index.html (of course publicising this is difficult since the applet relies on a sortof beta-release version of the main program, but I read the 'new' list and thought !Fill wasn't there.) PS I suppose people realise that they needn't activate more applets than they need, and to do so will have memory or boot-time penalties? It might be useful to state in the readme's/release notes which (if any) applets are essential for most/all scenarios and why? (Also to state that you are not directly responsible for third-party applets of course) thanks again for excellent work. And in all this the program *still* retains a coherence and elegance, I think! Christopher I Howe Bath UK > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 07 December 1999 02:49 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: OvationPro 2.56 > > > Hi, > > Some comments about 2.56. > > First thanks to Nick Kaijaks for improving the NewFuncs file. > > The Fill applet was something I devised on my own in August 1996. However > neither myself nor Beebug could work out how to complete the user > interface. > Several times the idea of "finishing it in time for the show" came up... > > My aim now is to produce a version with dedicated PostScript support for > graduated fills. This seems to be the thing to do, although the current > system for rendering them may not do too much harm. It should only > mean a new version of the fill applet. > > After that I want to implement some of the ideas which have been suggested > here in > recent weeks - auto save, borders etc. > > This marks the completion of the plan I put forward in July after the take > over from Beebug. > > Taking another peek at the future, I expect to move on to improving the > the > text side of the program. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 17:10:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112906 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:10:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944666502:10:00723:850; Wed, 08 Dec 99 15:21:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1106988; 8 Dec 99 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30137 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:54:41 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30132 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:54:39 GMT Received: from lx.student.wau.nl (lx.student.wau.nl [137.224.11.58]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with ESMTP id <0FMF0002RG24QH@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:54:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (steveno@localhost) by lx.student.wau.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24580 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:54:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:54:17 +0100 (CET) From: Steven Ottens Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet In-reply-to: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3186@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris) wrote: > David, > fills look like a really nice improvement.. > Hello Just came an idea inmy mind but i don't have OvationPro at hand here so i'm sorry if it is already possible. Vantage is going to make a freely available draw-render-module to render transparent draw files (IIRC). Is it possible to use this module to make (semi)transparent frames in OvationPro so being able to easily change the background image behind text (make it lighter/darker). grt Steven Ottens -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 17:12:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112908 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:12:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944667761:10:00995:1069; Wed, 08 Dec 99 15:42:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000436; 8 Dec 99 14:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29885 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:16:38 GMT Received: from zx81.mersinet.co.uk (root@zx81.mersinet.co.uk [195.219.30.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29880 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:16:35 GMT Received: from digital257.linix.co.uk ([195.219.31.186] helo=mail.nrc.org.uk ident=root) by zx81.mersinet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11vhsd-0002PQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 14:15:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 5403 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1999 13:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SERVER1) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.2 with SMTP; 8 Dec 1999 13:52:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:51:54 +0000 From: Dave Brooks X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 3EA42095 Organization: NRC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4577.991208@mail.nrc.org.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Oh dear! I've had a bit of an e-mail problem and seem to have missed a posting about an OPro 2.56 upgrade. Can anyone tell me where it is? Thanks, Dave dave@mail.nrc.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112938 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944675786:20:03807:78; Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:56:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116970; 8 Dec 99 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30626 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30611 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl3B-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:22:59 GMT Message-Id: <112912@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >update the list of new releases at >http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/new/index.html I am not a fan of the way the OPro pages are constructed. A change around is under way. I intend to have a visible upgrade page with just two upgrades on it 2.46 to 2.56 and 2.52 to 2.56. I intend to put just the 2.56 compatible applets on the applets page. I'll also upload the 2.56 demo version. And I'll probably scrap the 'new' page. All this should be complete by the end of the week. >PS I suppose people realise that they needn't activate more applets than >they need, and to do so will have memory or boot-time penalties? It might be >useful to state in the readme's/release notes which (if any) applets are >essential for most/all scenarios and why? (Also to state that you are not >directly responsible for third-party applets of course) the program will run usefully with no applets, and yes some of the crashes and problems are due to third party applets. I know some people would be happier with no applets and no free online upgrades. What can one do about it though... try not worrying them by not updating the news page? ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112940 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944676515:20:19943:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:08:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105271; 8 Dec 99 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:31 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30618 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl3C-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:28:41 GMT Message-Id: <112914@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Which Sprites22 file there are several inside OV pro. Also when >I shift click on them they just lode masses of symblols into >edit. >I can not see any ref in them to tile_1 sprite. Hey only programmers are allowed to edit Sprites in text editors. Try loading them into Paint. !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Sprites22 >Also now I am getting a new error from MergLib "double >deffination >at line 1". Tends to indicate you have a copy of Mergelib in both Autorun and Library, or two copies of it in Library (with different names). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112941 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944678404:10:25815:369; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:40:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1006968; 8 Dec 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30473 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:04:54 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30468 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:04:52 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22008 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:04:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199912081704.SAA22008@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Dec 1999 09:26:15 GMT Subject: Re: Web button MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > >In my (ANT) !Internet, the !Boot file has > >Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run Inet:Bin.URL %%*0 >Set File$Type_B28 URL > >So its that which sets it not Fresco. > Just why does !Browse save &B28, load &B28 upon drag to icon-bar but does not recognize a double-click ??? (Guess I should have put this on the browse-list...) Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112943 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944679277:10:01545:143; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:54:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125489; 8 Dec 99 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30738 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30733 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:15 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.151) [62.188.136.151] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vlGV-0001yq-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:52:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:28 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 released... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi David, Thanks for recent update, once again brilliant, fill applet fantastic, the more I play with it the better it gets, I don't know how you keep doing it. Bryan Kirk Bispham. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112942 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944676676:20:22646:20; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:11:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110361; 8 Dec 99 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30636 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30624 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl3E-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:31:04 GMT Message-Id: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Where can I get 2.56 from X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. Improvements include; * Better hyphenation * Many bug fixes However the main event is that you can use the new Fill applet with it. The Fill applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. It provides pattern, hatched and graduated fills. Currently it lacks dedicated PostScript output for graduated fills, which means whilst it is suitable for desktop printer use (including PS printers), it may not be for professional printing. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Thanks to everyone who read the !!ReadMe instructions file with the last upgrade. Things went much more smoothly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 21:20:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112966 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944683940:20:20879:50; Wed, 08 Dec 99 20:12:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2020831; 8 Dec 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31441 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:55:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31436 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:55:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.156.140) [62.188.156.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vnBE-0006Yr-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:55:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:01:26 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Relative tab stops? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Having a conversation with my sister the other day (about MS Word ;-) we touched on the subect of the effect of changing the font size of formatted text on tabs - some words in some columns end up in different positions because they are too long (or short) and jump to the next (or previous) tab stop. Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to have an option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are the roots of that bit of the program too firmly embedded in the replication of the typewriter tab function? -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 21:20:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112971 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944688040:10:01336:1712; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023832; 8 Dec 99 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30605 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl38-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:14:54 GMT Message-Id: <112910@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Vantage is going to make a freely available draw-render-module to render >transparent draw files (IIRC). Is it possible to use this module to make >(semi)transparent frames in OvationPro so being able to easily change the >background image behind text (make it lighter/darker). There are two big unknowns here. First Vantage - there are assumptions like 'all programs use the Draw render module' OPro doesn't. Programs don't do image processing or work in a particular way - OPro probably won't. And of course the assumption "we have a freely available render module". Now transparency - to do it properly from outside a program you'd have to patch the OS, printer drivers, goodness knows what. I have seriously considered transparency in recent weeks. The key is you have to have access to what is behind the transparent object. Now if you're rendering to a bit map printer driver, you do have this, because everything is being rendered to a sprite all the time. All you have to do is find the sprite. Easy peasy. But handling bit map printer drivers is *not good enough*, you have to do it for PostScript too. I was worried that the fill applet was a waste of time, everyone is going to have Vantage or at least the module. But Cerilica encouraged me to finish it. And they face the problem CC did with ArtWorks, if anyone can use the free module, why buy the program? ISTR in January 1997, being told, "don't bother finishing the colour separation stuff, because by the time you do, there'll be a much better system available for all RISC OS programs"... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 21:20:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112973 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944685523:20:16668:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 20:38:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016468; 8 Dec 99 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31505 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:10:20 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31500 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:10:18 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11vnPA-0006q0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:09:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:50:53 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Spell checker Message-ID: References: <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I don't know whether it's something to do with me, but I'm getting a touch > >irritated with the spell checker. It has entries for dont, wont, didnt, etc, > > The OPro one doesn't. You must be using some other alien dictionary. > > >but it objects to them with apostrophies in. (I'm using smart quotes). > > The Opro one has don't etc. in, and the program is smart enough to match > smart or normal quotes > > >Is there something I can do to change this? > > Add the missing words to the dictionary or have both your current > dictionary and the OPro one loaded. > > > >Also it doesn't seem able to handle plurals well, or it might just be for > >words in the user dictionary. > > It expects all versons of a word to be in the dictionary > > awk > awks > awking > > etc. I note that Alan is using Messenger Pro. Given that most will have Messenger's !Words in Resources:, could it be that the Messenger Pro version of the dictionary is being used instead of OP? I don't know if the contents are exactly the same but if not... I've removed the Messenger version of !Words and replaced it with OP's for consistency. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:19:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112993 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:19:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944690387:20:24886:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:59:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117441; 8 Dec 99 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31970 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31965 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vorT-000MXp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:42:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:31:53 GMT Message-Id: <112985@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to have an >option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are the roots of Well could be done, but unlikely. I suppose if you have as many tab stops and tabs as one another in each line the problem does not appear as much. The auto tab stops in OPro don't help that of course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:19:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112996 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:19:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944689970:10:22310:239; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:52:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1003378; 8 Dec 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31741 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:54:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31736 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:54:45 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11vo68-000BJ6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:54:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:40:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. So it's time to recover OvPro v2.52 from my backup disc. Why did you not use v2.55 as the "baseline" for upgrades? Paul. -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:57:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113008 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:57:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944692170:10:22052:627; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:29:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003063; 8 Dec 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31993 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31988 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.245) [193.149.74.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vosc-0002JQ-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:42:53 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The new version seems to be working with no problems. Fill applet looks excellent but I am finding it hard to get to grips with. This is because A I've not read the instructions well enough or B more info is needed, I think it is B. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:57:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113012 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:57:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944693566:10:04403:1096; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:52:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118875; 8 Dec 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31971 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vorR-000MXp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:42:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:29:24 GMT Message-Id: <112983@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Spell checker X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Given that most will have Messenger's !Words in Resources:, could it be >that the Messenger Pro version of the dictionary is being used instead of >OP? I don't know if the contents are exactly the same but if not... Thats a good point. As has been mentioned here recently, Messenger will come with the spell check dictionary from !Spell - its nothing like the one in OPro - a lot more words for one thing. So you can pick one or another, or both, if yo change the name. !MainDict is the one which is used by default - autoloaded when you do a spell check. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:57:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113015 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:57:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944693889:10:17718:496; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:58:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104026; 8 Dec 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32097 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:50:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA32092 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:50:43 GMT Received: from (br09.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.70.66] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11voyI-0002WJ-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:50:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:51 +0000 (GMT) From: ovation Subject: Re: !Contents Applet To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Dec, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in > > use - perhaps there is a clash. > > No problem here. Same specs. > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message after > printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). > Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, > though. > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > you have got the AUN network enabled and it thinks your trying to access a shared disk. Go into the boot network configuration, acorn access and uncheck the enable box. (I found it caused printers to fail to load properly, plus we had problems with the Ant suite) Chris -- Chris & Julie Howe StrongArm RiscPC RiscOS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113017 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944694263:10:07264:186; Wed, 08 Dec 99 23:04:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018510; 8 Dec 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31983 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31978 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vorY-000MXp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:35:37 GMT Message-Id: <112987@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So it's time to recover OvPro v2.52 from my backup disc. Why did you not >use v2.55 as the "baseline" for upgrades? Because... I don't have limitless web space, many people will be setting off from 2.52, and they'll not like having to step through dozens of versions to get to 2.56. As I've said before the current system is far from ideal, I'd never have invented it, but for now you have to go along with it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113016 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944699662:20:20768:20; Thu, 09 Dec 99 00:34:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019803; 9 Dec 99 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00397 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00387 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:26 GMT Received: from (62.188.139.220) [62.188.139.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vr0i-0006sO-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:00:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:58:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Output to printer gone wrong. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 7 Dec 1999 (18:20:02 +0000), crusius@wxs.nl wrote: >Using a HP Deskjet 520 with OP(2.55) running on an SA RiscOsPC with a >turbo print driver or an HP driver I had a spot of trouble with >!Contents not working on some files. Since the things got progressively >worse. OP, when asked to print out any file, rips of a line of number >and symbols, ejects the sheet and give the next sheet the same >treatment. That sounds like the effect of either using a normal parallel lead with TurboDrivers or a TurboDriver lead with an HP driver. If you need to be able to use both drivers without switching the cable, !FastSpool+ by Warm Silence Software is the answer. http://www.wss.co.uk/ HTH Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113021 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944702051:20:18067:19; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017758; 9 Dec 99 1:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00623 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:45:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00617 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:45:37 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.83.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vrhY-0000EL-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:44:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:15:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from Message-ID: <496d500c95ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on > 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have > a copy of 2.52 for future use. You don't actually need a whole copy of 2.52 - just the !Runimage. I just rename my 2.55 !Runimage to !Runimage2 (just in case of accidents) and then copy the 2.52 !Runimage into 2.55. Then when I run the installer, all I have to do is drag 2.55 (containing 2.52 !Runimage) to the installer and it works. I've done this for the last few upgrades with no problems. It's probably useful to have a couple of spare 2.52 !Runimages around on backups etc - but they must be ones originally installed on your working hard drive. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113024 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944698077:10:26381:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 00:07:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025753; 9 Dec 99 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00324 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:30 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00319 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:28 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.217) [193.149.80.217] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vqda-0006AS-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:36:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:39:57 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R First off - Brilliant upgrade and great Fill applet.Now the bad new= s! I have been trying to locate the Centre button on the picture t= ool palette. I must be being thick 'cos I can't find it anywhere - what is= the picture tool palette?.In the process I went to the Modify Pict= ure window. This doesn't work even if I don't change anything. A click on= OK gives an 'Unknown type of units' error. I admit that I rarely use = this method to change a picture since most things can be done from the tool= s at the bottom of the OP window and if this is the Pictur= e tool palette, mine has not got a centre button.I had a quick look= back at OP 2.55 and got the same 'Unknown type of units' error.Fin= ally we really must have a new manual even if it is in electronic version. = There are so many new features since version 2.46 or whatever. Now before= you get all upset David let me clarify this. I am not saying 'get off you= r arse and write us a new manual'. I realise that you are extremely busy w= orking on software, OP and other products. All I am saying is that there i= s a need for a new manual in some form. Frankly I don't know how it could = be done without someone donating a lot of their time.-- Ric= hard __ __ __ __ __ __________________________________= ___________|__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ /|__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ = /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions_________________________= __/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113027 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944699415:10:23805:24; Thu, 09 Dec 99 00:30:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022874; 9 Dec 99 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00392 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00385 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.139.220) [62.188.139.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vr0e-0006sO-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:00:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:57:15 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 8 Dec 1999 (21:31:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to >>have an option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are >>the roots of > >Well could be done, but unlikely. > Thanks for the reply David, I'll think on! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 13:55:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113045 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 13:55:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944712087:20:23570:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 04:01:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109064; 9 Dec 99 4:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01341 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:44:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01336 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:44:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vuUj-000FR2-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:43:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 02:06:43 GMT Message-Id: <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been trying to locate the Centre button on the picture tool palette. >I must be being thick 'cos I can't find it anywhere To the right of the 'fit' button. Just select one frame with a picture in it, and you're looking at the info palette for the picture tool. >In the process I went to the Modify Picture window. A click on OK gives an >'Unknown type of units' error. Now thats interesting, I have heard one other person say that. The thing to do is look at the icons in the window, if one of them has 10xx instead of 10mm then thats the problem. OPro gives this error if you type something it doesn't recognise into a text icon which has a dimension in it. >Finally we really must have a new manual even if it is in electronic version. Well JM van Vredenburch is working on it. An updated manual has always been the intention. However to expect it to be updated at the same time as the program is just too much. For one thing, new features like the fill applet are not cast in stone at the moment, if anyone has some suggestions things can be changed. Secondly the documentation I inherited in July had not been touched since early 1996, it has got a long way to go. Finally, most users aren't going to read documentation; these days if a program can't be used without reading a manual, you might as well forget it. >Fill applet looks excellent but I am finding it hard to get to grips with. This >is because A I've not read the instructions well enough or B more info is >needed, I think it is B. Care to be specific? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 13:56:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113051 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 13:56:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944734037:10:09880:143; Thu, 09 Dec 99 10:07:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015683; 9 Dec 99 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01966 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:33:01 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01961 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:32:59 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16121 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:32:14 GMT Message-ID: <384F785F.A11332BD@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:37:35 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112914@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to be slow on the take up but "Should" there be more than one copy of each sprite file? As a test I removed Mergelib and re ran Ov Pro it worked fine. I will locate & remove my extra copy (and replace the proper mergelib). Since, somthing seems to have gon wrong with an upgrade (or somthing) some time, could you publish some where a list of Ov Pro sub directories and what files they should contain? David Pilling wrote: > > >Which Sprites22 file there are several inside OV pro. Also when > >I shift click on them they just lode masses of symblols into > >edit. > >I can not see any ref in them to tile_1 sprite. > > Hey only programmers are allowed to edit Sprites in text editors. > Try loading them into Paint. > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Sprites22 > > >Also now I am getting a new error from MergLib "double > >deffination > >at line 1". > > Tends to indicate you have a copy of Mergelib in both Autorun and Library, > or two copies of it in Library (with different names). > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 14:01:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113058 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 14:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944731857:20:17882:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 09:30:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102984; 9 Dec 99 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01840 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01832 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:10 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.108] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11vzQ1-0006t9-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:59:21 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:47:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:46:59 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <48cd9f6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ovation wrote: > > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > > > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > you have got the AUN network enabled and it thinks your trying to access a > shared disk. Go into the boot network configuration, acorn access and > uncheck the enable box. > Maybe not. This problem has been discussed extensively recently on other lists, but not, I think, to any definite outcome. It seems to relate to printing rather than a shared disk as such, and both !Printers Ant !Inetsuite seem implicated. But I don't think anyone has demonstrated how to get rid of the problem without disabling something you probably want. I don't get it if Inetsuite is not loaded, even with all kinds of network sharing set. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 14:01:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113059 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 14:01:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944732615:20:01240:19; Thu, 09 Dec 99 09:43:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001271; 9 Dec 99 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01838 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01829 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:09 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.108] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11vzQ0-0006t9-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:59:20 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:42:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:41:32 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <7b4d9f6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112985@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to have an > >option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are the roots of > > Well could be done, but unlikely. > > I suppose if you have as many tab stops and tabs as one another in each line > the problem does not appear as much. The auto tab stops in OPro don't help > that of course. I think that one of the problems here is not so much the tab arrangements per se but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. Yes, I have TableMate Designer but I'm afraid I don't get on with it very well. When we have a lot of tables to do it seems to take me longer to get a consistent result using that than taking the table out into a different package altogether - even on to a different platform. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 18:13:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113076 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:13:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944754770:20:07108:19; Thu, 09 Dec 99 15:52:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006680; 9 Dec 99 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03002 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:34:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02997 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:34:12 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.246] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #4) id 11w5ZL-0003ix-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:33:23 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:30:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:30:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. > > Define good table handling? > > > Obviously as of now there is none. > Let me take some time think about the former point but respond to the latter. I presume that it was by design that Ovation lacked table facilities beyond tab rulers (and this is still a satisfactory way of handling simple tables) because there was a third party solution in Tablemate to which this work could be delegated, in true RiscOs fashion. OvPro will import Tablemate files and will export them for OLE editing (no big deal, presumably, since they seem to be basically Draw files). So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling facilities, I'm just saying what we have at present isn't really good enough. Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with some of the tables I have waiting, noting all the points at which I get frustrated, I may be able to offer you a wish list. Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 18:47:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113086 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:47:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944753173:10:19104:215; Thu, 09 Dec 99 15:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108193; 9 Dec 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02748 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:31:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02743 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:31:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w4b2-000AbE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:31:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 14:25:44 GMT Message-Id: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. Define good table handling? Obviously as of now there is none. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 18:47:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113088 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:47:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944755518:10:13221:137; Thu, 09 Dec 99 16:05:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118727; 9 Dec 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02917 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:13:24 GMT Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02912 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:13:22 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:12:30 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19773 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:11:38 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:11:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: more about upgrading To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <496d500c95ray@magray.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on > > 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have > > a copy of 2.52 for future use. > > You don't actually need a whole copy of 2.52 - just the !Runimage. > > I just rename my 2.55 !Runimage to !Runimage2 (just in case of accidents) > and then copy the 2.52 !Runimage into 2.55. > Can anyone help over another problem that slows me down. Each upgrade over-writes my customised Macros file, and I overcome this from by dragging in from the last version (after changing copy options). Is there a quicker way? Or, alternatively, does the upgrade have to include a "new" Macros file. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 19:37:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113097 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:37:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944766967:10:03240:1531; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:16:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114812; 9 Dec 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03464 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:37:27 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03459 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:37:25 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01661 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:36:34 GMT Message-ID: <384FF7FE.6E434815@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:42:06 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? References: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I like table mate designer. But it lacks enough mathematical functions to do most of the jobs. Thus I spend more time pushing buttons on my calculator than typing into TMD David Graddol wrote: > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > > > >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. > > > > Define good table handling? > > > > > > Obviously as of now there is none. > > > Let me take some time think about the former point but respond to > the latter. > > I presume that it was by design that Ovation lacked table > facilities beyond tab rulers (and this is still a satisfactory > way of handling simple tables) because there was a third party > solution in Tablemate to which this work could be delegated, in > true RiscOs fashion. OvPro will import Tablemate files and will > export them for OLE editing (no big deal, presumably, since they > seem to be basically Draw files). > > So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling > facilities, I'm just saying what we have at present isn't > really good enough. Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with > some of the tables I have waiting, noting all the points at which > I get frustrated, I may be able to offer you a wish list. Are > contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? > > David > > -- > The English Company (UK) Ltd > http://www.english.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 19:37:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113098 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944766546:20:12434:25; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:09:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102706; 9 Dec 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:39:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03498 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:39:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.177) [193.149.85.177] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11w8Sv-0003cz-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:38:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:06:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Ovation and alsystems SCSI Message-ID: <496dc8072cphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In order to have a permanent home for my back up of "1.52" and save space on my ADFS hard Disc I thought I would save 1.52 to one of my SCSI discs. It transferred OK and refreshed OK with floppy disc Ovation 1; but it ran through a whole list of error messages (see later paragraph) before finally loading on the icon bar. Once on, the icon could not be removed from the icon bar without doing a hard break and although what was typed could be saved no menus were accessible! I tried again on my other SCSI disc, because the first attempt had been to a partitioned disc. Same result. I tried using a full load from all nine floppy discs. Same result. I have never tried to run Ovation Pro on a SCSI disc since I got it, (although I normally use a SCSI disc for downloading from the net so all the downloaded upgrades have been on to a SCSI disc) so I don't know whether it is an effect of the Riscos 4 upgrade or an inherent clash between Ovation and the Alsystems software or board; but I thought it might be worth mentioning on this list. Yet a transfer of 1.52 (with floppy refresh on transferred application) to either an IEDE disc (updated to F+) or an ADPL data safe disc (using F format) behaved perfectly, and could be updated to 1.56 without any problems. The type of error message I was getting with the SCSI discs was typically "type at line 1844 .Library.!MemLib" or "unknown identifier at line..." Seven messages were for items in the Library sub-dirctory, seven others cropped up in the applets sub-directory when I had loaded additional applets. The couple of items in which the reported error line was reasonably small enough to attempt checking showed a single "{" on the line, assuming that empty lines counted as numbered lines. So instead of saving space I found an intriguing problem. This is the first application that I have been unable to load to a SCSI disc. Phil Hetherington * ... A computer without software is like a desk without flowers.. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 19:37:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113099 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944767751:10:04542:33; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:29:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002333; 9 Dec 99 18:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03522 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:43:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03517 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:43:38 GMT Received: from (62.188.156.30) [62.188.156.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11w8Wd-0003kh-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:42:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:35:43 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Modifying default frame fill colour Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to modify the default frame fill colour to 'transparent'. I suspect it's in the 'textchoices' and 'picturechoices' values in !Choices, but I'm not sure which! Cheers Richard. PS - very happy with v2.56! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 20:14:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113113 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:14:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944770194:20:02087:17; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002133; 9 Dec 99 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04212 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04206 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w9aO-000DVT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:50:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:41:33 GMT Message-Id: <113105@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation and alsystems SCSI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The type of error message I was getting with the SCSI discs was typically OPro will run from SCSI discs. The type of errors you are getting... >"type at line 1844 .Library.!MemLib" or "unknown >identifier at line..." point to something being wrong with the script files in Library or Autorun. Missing files, duplicate files, corrupt files, whatever. If something manages to mess up the scripts, then you don't get any menus, because the menus are defined in script files. So you can't quit the program. The way out is to menu on the task manager window and quit OPro from there. I wonder where MemLib comes from? typo or real? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:30:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113120 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:30:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944770806:20:09992:22; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009995; 9 Dec 99 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04197 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:00 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04192 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:50:58 GMT Received: (qmail 1790 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1999 19:46:25 -0000 Received: from userm770.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.80.58) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1999 19:46:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:15:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette Message-ID: <496dd95c98dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Richard wrote: > >Fill applet looks excellent but I am finding it hard to get to grips > >with. This is because A I've not read the instructions well enough or B > >more info is needed, I think it is B. > Care to be specific? > David Pilling I'm amused... :-) I stuck the applet in OvPro, Ran OvPro and just played with the new Fill applet without even realising there were any instructions... it's very intuitive... I mean most of the functions are obvious... I have similar troubles with SWMBO, she just will not experiment/play with things... Over the years I've found experiment, playing with new apps and features, it's by far the best way to learn. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113125 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944771472:10:03287:49; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129633; 9 Dec 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03583 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03578 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w8c9-0004Vr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:48:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:20:10 GMT Message-Id: <113082@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Web site updates... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The *netlink* site now has the 2.56 demo version, and the 2.46 to 2.56 and 2.52 to 2.56 upgrades available from the visible upgrade page. The applets page has the latest colsup and art works applets on (they come with the above upgrades anyway). Finally there is a new version of the document applet (displays recently edited file names) which copes with long filenames. I couldn't update the demon version last night, and since I'd rather you use the netlink site I won't be announcing when I do. I've heard some complaints about downloading these upgrades, so I did a test today. At 3.30 pm, I download one of the 1Mb files from netlink in 3 min 35 seconds (5K bytes per second), using IE5 (boo hiss), over Tesconet, and a 56K modem. So as usual, works OK for me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113127 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944772342:10:17560:114; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:45:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118952; 9 Dec 99 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03576 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03571 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w8c6-0004Vr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:48:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:14:42 GMT Message-Id: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I presume that it was by design that Ovation lacked table >facilities beyond tab rulers (and this is still a satisfactory >way of handling simple tables) because there was a third party >solution in Tablemate to which this work could be delegated, in >true RiscOs fashion. Well the real reason is that we didn't have time. The program should have had vertical rule offs which are a poor mans table maker, but we didn't have time for that either. Somewhere there is a spec. for how to do tables in OPro. However, one crucial choice is between the table as an object (like MS Publisher) and the table style, (Techwriter, Word). Since the OPro spec was done HTML etc. has come to the fore, and so if it is possible I would be inclined to do tables as a style. >Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? Yes. Tables, bullets, that kind of thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113128 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944772569:10:18755:141; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:49:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028031; 9 Dec 99 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04225 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04213 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w9aQ-000DVT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:50:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:45:01 GMT Message-Id: <113107@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Modifying default frame fill colour X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to modify the default frame fill colour to 'transparent'. >From NewDoc.Summary Setting default attributes on objects ------------------------------------- When you click on "Save as Default", a style sheet called Default is saved in the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir folder. It is now possible to save a document (i.e. as opposed to a style sheet) called 'Default' inside !OvnPro.!OvnResDir. If you do, the first object of each type which is not a master object is used as a prototype (the object will *not* appear in each new document). By this mechanism it is now possible to make text frames default to transparent or have no text runaround etc. Note the duality with the approach of having Choices windows to control the defaults for objects. Settings in the choices windows take precedence. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113129 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944772676:10:18287:157; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:51:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127977; 9 Dec 99 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04627 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:36:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04622 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:36:10 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.192) [194.69.106.192] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wAHU-00004j-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:35:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:41:50 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <496DDBC187%mik@xemik.com> References: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling facilities, > I'm just saying what we have at present isn't really good enough. As an ex-ImpPub user, I have to agree. To make a decent table IMO you need to upgrade to the later version, but I'd already spent more than I could afford to buy OPro[1]. > Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with some of the tables I have > waiting, noting all the points at which I get frustrated, I may be able to > offer you a wish list. Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your > next phase? I gave up & used Easiwriter, then exported the table as a drawfile. [1] No critism intended. It is well worth the money. BTW I notice Beebug are still selling Ovation. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Why is a building not called a built? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113133 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944774042:10:18167:193; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:14:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110081; 9 Dec 99 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04530 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:30:16 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04525 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:30:14 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.196] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11wABl-0002nK-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:29:22 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:17:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:15:57 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <9e1de6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Somewhere there is a spec. for how to do tables in OPro. > > However, one crucial choice is between the table as an object (like MS > Publisher) and the table style, (Techwriter, Word). Since the OPro spec was > done HTML etc. has come to the fore, and so if it is possible I would be > inclined to do tables as a style. Do I hear you whisper XML? By Style seems fine by me (though I have often wondered whether XML can really handle complex multiframe page layouts). A great deal of our work involves setting material that comes to us in some other form - may be in Word or simple ascii text. We rarely want to reproduce the format we've been given, but nor do we want rekey an endless series of numbers and technical text items (rarely in the dictionary) and then have to proof read it all. Some table wizards are very good if you are keying in the text yourself, but not too flexible if you need to play around with the format once a basic table has been created, reshaping the size and flow of cells etc. > >Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? > > Yes. Tables, bullets, that kind of thing. Brilliant! Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs and figures? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 22:41:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113143 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:41:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944778779:10:11426:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:32:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125556; 9 Dec 99 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05023 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:02:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05018 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:02:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wBcj-000NXn-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:01:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:46:54 GMT Message-Id: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Do I hear you whisper XML? This is on the cards. The idea is to generalise the style system so that it is possible to create new attributes. At the moment there is a fixed (large) set - bold, italics, font name,... I presume that if this was extended so that you could create attributes, then at least round trip editing of HTML and XML would be possible. >By Style seems fine by me (though I have often wondered whether >XML can really handle complex multiframe page layouts). It will be interesting to see how Quark tackle it. XML is large in their plans now. >Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished form. >and figures? Now thats a nice idea - don't have a clue how you'd do it though. Obviously given numbered paras you can do it with a chain of text frames grouped to picture frames. Hard work though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 22:41:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113144 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:41:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944779273:10:23113:24; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:41:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109753; 9 Dec 99 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05091 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05086 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.156.219) [62.188.156.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wByk-0003ZN-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:35:38 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA05087 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (02:06:43), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > To the right of the 'fit' button. Just select one frame with a picture > in it, and you're looking at the info palette for the picture tool. Mea Culpa Sorry to have bothered you - I had not followed the upgrade instructions properly and failed to drag the !Opro in the archive o You did help however because what you said about the picture tool palette (I thought that was it) mad e me suspect I'd not ugra -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 00:06:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113147 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944782948:10:20551:18; Thu, 09 Dec 99 23:42:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126125; 9 Dec 99 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05351 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:13:58 GMT Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05346 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:13:55 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.148.233]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991209231225.XDZV27648.mta3-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:12:25 +1300 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:14:48 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? To: OP list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just downloaded the upgrade archive op246/zip, but the !!ReadMe file says "The patch provided is for users of 2.52 *ONLY*." and goes on to describe how to upgrade from 2.52, not 2.46. I'm currently using 2.49 and have 2.46 on disc. How do I upgrade to 2.56? -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 00:06:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113148 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:06:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944783136:10:23820:18; Thu, 09 Dec 99 23:45:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023112; 9 Dec 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05415 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:30:14 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05410 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:30:12 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.99] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11wCzu-0006R0-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:29:19 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:22:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:22:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs > > Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished form. > > > >and figures? > > Now thats a nice idea - don't have a clue how you'd do it though. > > Obviously given numbered paras you can do it with a chain of text frames > grouped to picture frames. Hard work though. > I'm pretty sure MS Word does figure numbers although I would have to check how it is done. Of course, like footnotes, the real magic is that when a figure is deleted not only are the other figure numbers renumbered automatically (or perhaps when a rescan is manually instigated), but also all the in-text references to figures (e.g. see figure 1). I guess that there is some kind of active anchor (like a page number) which is embedded in the text. Footnote numbering may the nearest analogue. Actually, now I come to think about it, the same applies to paragraph numbering. We're doing a report at the moment which has frequent in-text references to para numbers. Every revision brings changes to the paragraphing ..... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 01:33:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113151 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 01:33:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944784870:10:03464:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100764; 10 Dec 99 0:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05505 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:46:40 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05500 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:46:38 GMT Received: (qmail 2173 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1999 23:29:30 -0000 Received: from user1244.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.244) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1999 23:29:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:41:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <496dd64403ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling > facilities, I'm just saying what we have at present isn't > really good enough. Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with > some of the tables I have waiting, noting all the points at which > I get frustrated, I may be able to offer you a wish list. Are > contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? I've always been quite happy with table handling in OP, using TableMate, whereas I don't find the Tab handling at all useful. I have TM Designer, which does anything that I have ever thrown at it, but I do find that if I don't use it for a while it takes a bit of learning again. Once learnt however, it is very speedy in operation and although the first table may take a while, subsequent ones are much faster now that I've remembered what to do. I don't think DP is the one to talk to about tables in OP - George Buchanan of Dalriada is probably more useful. Now, when I tried to do a table in Word ... I didn't ever finish it :-( Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 02:23:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113167 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:23:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944790000:20:08363:20; Fri, 10 Dec 99 01:40:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110631; 10 Dec 99 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05808 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:06:47 GMT Received: from ambience.com.au ([203.46.3.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05803 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:06:39 GMT From: Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 1145442 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:43:51 +1100 Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:43:51 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, We have a 15 user version. We do we get the upgarde from? Thanks, Paul On Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:31:04 GMT opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to > base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure > you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected > 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > > Improvements include; > > * Better hyphenation > * Many bug fixes > > However the main event is that you can use the new Fill > applet with it. > > The Fill applet is available from the applets pages on > the web sites. > > It provides pattern, hatched and graduated fills. > > Currently it lacks dedicated PostScript output for > graduated fills, which > means whilst it is suitable for desktop printer use > (including PS printers), > it may not be for professional printing. > > > This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement > applets and > both these are included in the archive. > > Full documentation for the new features is also included. > > It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. > > Thanks to everyone who read the !!ReadMe instructions > file with the last > upgrade. Things went much more smoothly. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, > Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email > majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the > message Paul Herring HOD IT The Kooralbyn International School Ogilvie Pl., Kooralbyn Qld 4285 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 02:23:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113169 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:23:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944790805:20:15297:33; Fri, 10 Dec 99 01:53:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015515; 10 Dec 99 1:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05903 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:35:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05898 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:35:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wEx6-000NOT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:34:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:08:32 GMT Message-Id: <113149@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I've just downloaded the upgrade archive op246/zip, but the !!ReadMe file >says "The patch provided is for users of 2.52 *ONLY*." and goes on to >describe how to upgrade from 2.52, not 2.46. Disaster! Just ignore the 2.52's and pretend they are 2.46's Its the right archive with the wrong !!ReadMe file in it. I will fix this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 03:45:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113174 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 03:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944794469:20:16906:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:54:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016895; 10 Dec 99 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06267 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06260 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wFks-0004iU-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:25:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:15:16 GMT Message-Id: <113165@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't think DP is the one to talk to about tables in OP - George >Buchanan of Dalriada is probably more useful. Perhaps I'd better say tables are further down the list than bullets. And the tables you're likely to get are not likely to be the same as GB's - not a threat to him is what I'm struggling to explain. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 03:45:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113175 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 03:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944793709:10:16013:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:41:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124323; 10 Dec 99 2:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06264 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06255 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wFkq-0004iU-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:25:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <113163@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm pretty sure MS Word does figure numbers although I would have >to check how it is done. Of course, like footnotes, the real >magic is that when a figure is deleted not only are the other >figure numbers renumbered automatically (or perhaps when a >rescan is manually instigated), but also all the in-text >references to figures (e.g. see figure 1). I guess this is a case of "a word processor is a simpler program than a DTP program". If everything is in one story, then it is a lot easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 03:45:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113176 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 03:45:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944794022:10:26650:17; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:47:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127189; 10 Dec 99 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06229 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:19:50 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA06224 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:19:49 GMT Received: (qmail 19663 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 02:13:17 -0000 Received: from usern640.uk.uudial.com (HELO usern640) (193.149.85.165) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 02:13:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:31:46 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Lable Templates Message-ID: <5f5ebf6d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All Now that I am getting used to Ovation, I would like to set up some label files, for the label stock I already have. I have looked at all the places on the net, so as to avoid re inventing the wheel but cannot find the one's I need, which are for Avery labels, reference J8165 99.1*67.7 (8) to a sheet L18-250 66*46.5 (18) to a sheet L21-50 66*38 (21) to a sheet L7656 46.11.11 (84) to a sheet I would be extremely grateful if anyone could guide me to a site where I might find such templates. Cheers Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:43:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113179 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:43:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944813974:20:21405:17; Fri, 10 Dec 99 08:19:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021273; 10 Dec 99 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07141 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:52 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07136 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:50 GMT Received: from pbready ([212.250.143.129]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA28452 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:35:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:48:35 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: References: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > However, one crucial choice is between the table as an object (like MS > Publisher) and the table style, (Techwriter, Word). Since the OPro spec was > done HTML etc. has come to the fore, and so if it is possible I would be > inclined to do tables as a style. > > > >Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? > > Yes. Tables, bullets, that kind of thing. > And lists, numbering etc as styles attributes too? -- Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:44:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113182 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944820000:20:24569:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 10:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024477; 10 Dec 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07367 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:26:34 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07361 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:26:32 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-57.access.ch [212.161.129.57]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19434 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:25:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:19:31 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 07 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > Print margins work for me... They only work if you have > a printer driver loaded though. I believe it is mentioned in the manual. Page 83, final paragraph ... JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:44:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113183 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944820022:20:24697:29; Fri, 10 Dec 99 10:00:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100283; 10 Dec 99 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07421 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:13 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07416 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:11 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19868 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:43:05 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA23967 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:43:18 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256843.0034E293.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >>Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs >Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished form. >>and figures? >Now thats a nice idea - don't have a clue how you'd do it though. What about generalising the page/chapter number to have named registers (a->z) that could be set, incremented or decremented (?) and then just insert the register name as part of the text like you would insert a page or chapter number. So all your figures could use register "f" say and you would have a title that said Figure "f": title of figure... With some bit of magic to identify the "f" bit as a register. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:44:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113189 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944826382:20:21376:56; Fri, 10 Dec 99 11:46:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114827; 10 Dec 99 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07983 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07978 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:46 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.157) [62.188.145.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wOEA-0006P7-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:28:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:18:40 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Lable Templates Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (14:31:46), steve.harratt@ukgateway.net wrote: > Hello All > > Now that I am getting used to Ovation, I would like to set up some > label files, for the label stock I already have. > > I have looked at all the places on the net, so as to avoid re inventing > the wheel but cannot find the one's I need, which are for Avery labels, > reference > > J8165 99.1*67.7 (8) to a sheet > L18-250 66*46.5 (18) to a sheet > L21-50 66*38 (21) to a sheet > L7656 46.11.11 (84) to a sheet > > I would be extremely grateful if anyone could guide me to a site where > I might find such templates. > > Cheers > > Steve > Hi Steve, I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized Avery type labels. They are, L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) If these are any use I will try and send by email to you (which I have not done yet) or if you give me your snailmail address I will send a copy of the files to you on disc. Cheers Bryan. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:45:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113190 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944827053:20:03540:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 11:57:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003612; 10 Dec 99 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07990 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07985 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:49 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.157) [62.188.145.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wOED-0006P7-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:28:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:21:25 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 10 Dec 1999 (00:19:31 +0100), janvredenb@access.ch wrote: > On Tue 07 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > > > Print margins work for me... They only work if you have > > a printer driver loaded though. > > I believe it is mentioned in the manual. Page 83, final paragraph ... > > JohnvV > found mine didn't work till I switched them on at the macro's, now work fine. Cheers Bryan -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:45:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113192 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944828902:20:06221:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 12:28:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116185; 10 Dec 99 12:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08279 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:09:47 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08272 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:09:45 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11wOqf-0003ZD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:08:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:08:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Lable Templates Message-ID: <496e36173aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr B Kirk wrote: > Hi Steve, > I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized > Avery type labels. > They are, > L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) > L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) > L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) > L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) > If these are any use I will try and send by email to you (which I > have not done yet) or if you give me your snailmail address I will > send a copy of the files to you on disc. If you have any templates that are not on the "other" opro site, then perhaps you could e-mail them to me also, and I will add them to the site for downloading. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:45:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113194 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:45:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944830061:20:24674:17; Fri, 10 Dec 99 12:47:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114040; 10 Dec 99 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08383 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:16:04 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08378 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:16:02 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11wOwx-0003fw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:15:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:14:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Lable Templates Message-ID: <496e36acf2C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr B Kirk wrote: > Hi Steve, > I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized > Avery type labels. > They are, > L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) > L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) > L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) > L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) On checking my site I see that there is a template for L7160 among those present, but not for any of the others listed here (I thought I had added some more of my own, but I don't see them - I must have imagined it). The alternative would be for persons with sheets of unusual lables to send me a sheet, and I will make up the templates myself. I usually make up one template with autoflow, and one without. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:46:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113199 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:46:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944833109:20:14499:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:38:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123375; 10 Dec 99 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08671 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:04:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08666 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:04:38 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.102) [194.69.106.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wPhv-0001Tk-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:03:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:48:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Lable Templates Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (14:31:46), steve.harratt@ukgateway.net wrote: > guide me to a site where I might find such templates You should be able to find what you need on the Avery resource site: http://www.avery.com/resource_center/tb/av1110.html I found the label size I normally use there, and it works impeccably with both the !Label and !Labeller applets (and for other external apps as well) Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 14:21:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113208 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 14:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944798526:10:21531:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 04:02:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100469; 10 Dec 99 4:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06712 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:48:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06707 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:48:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wH1N-0000Jv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:47:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:28:01 GMT Message-Id: <113172@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >We have a 15 user version. We do we get the upgarde from? You don't... It depends, Beebug issued two sorts of program on site licences, one is like the normal 2.46 copy protected etc. I suspect (but don't know) that this can be upgraded using the normal patches. Does anyone know? Then in more recent times they issued a registered but not protected 2.52. I can't do anything about that. In due course there will be a paid for upgrade and you'll have the chance to upgrade. To some extent the current versions are not production quality and you shouldn't be inflicting them on a site licence environment anyway. I'm reluctant to get involved in upgrades - just a waste of time and effort for me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113220 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944821423:10:02256:23; Fri, 10 Dec 99 10:23:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103384; 10 Dec 99 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07437 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:32 GMT Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07431 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:28 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.148.111]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991210094258.VPCX50393.mta4-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:42:58 +1300 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:45:26 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? To: OP list In-Reply-To: <113149@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I've just downloaded the upgrade archive op246/zip, but the !!ReadMe file > >says "The patch provided is for users of 2.52 *ONLY*." and goes on to > >describe how to upgrade from 2.52, not 2.46. > > Disaster! > > Just ignore the 2.52's and pretend they are 2.46's > > Its the right archive with the wrong !!ReadMe file in it. > > I will fix this. OK, thanks. I'll ignore my 2.49 installation, re-install 2.46 then pretend the 2.52s are 2.46s. But please clarify the line that says "future upgrades will be based on 2.52". Do you mean upgrades will also be based on 2.46, or do I somehow have to get a copy of 2.52 if I want to upgrade in the future? -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113222 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944825159:10:22844:166; Fri, 10 Dec 99 11:25:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012665; 10 Dec 99 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07872 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:54:22 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07867 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:54:20 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.130]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4A3D for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:08 +0100 Subject: Fill applet - screen option? Message-ID: <496e2f187fdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Although still being very impressed by the fill applet, a question is rising: Would it be possible to ad a 'screen' option to the dialogue, as used in the picture menu, making it possible to change LPI settings? I think that especially the graduated fills would gain a severe profit by that. (Speaking about graduated fills: do you think that we can expect a high quality postscript output for them in the near future?) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113228 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944833535:10:28364:244; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:45:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125444; 10 Dec 99 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08706 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:17:01 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08701 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:16:57 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-059.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.59]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7620F15773 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:15:45 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:16:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Mail Merging -- yet again (sorry) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have read this several times already, I know. I have done it myself, last Christmas, it worked a treat, I've even looked at the Ov Pro Hints & Tips, Mail Merging, which seems to refer me to a Beebug page which is Not Found, but I seem to be missing something (besides the obvious grey cells), can someone refresh my brain, pls: I'm printing 2 cards to a sheet, I have a CSV list of names, I put "Dear [Merge 1][Merge 99]", using the mail merge facility, in the two appropriate places, I get the same name showing on each card, I _want_ the next name from the list. What am I missing/doing wrong? (Sobs into coffee....) TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113229 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944834995:10:07771:149; Fri, 10 Dec 99 14:09:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022557; 10 Dec 99 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08768 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:25:55 GMT Received: from alliance.lancs.ac.uk (alliance.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.17.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08763 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:25:53 GMT Received: from exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk ([148.88.17.22]) by alliance.lancs.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 11wQ2S-0002qz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:24:48 +0000 Received: by exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <45EA1063C2F8D211915800204808343B3E1746@exchange1.lancs.ac.uk> From: "Sapey, Bob" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Lable Templates Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:24:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I used the !Labeller applet last night and found it excellent. All you need is a ruler to measure your labels and input them to the labels dialogue box. Bob Sapey > -----Original Message----- > From: bkirk@argonet.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 11:19 AM > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Lable Templates > > On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (14:31:46), steve.harratt@ukgateway.net wrote: > > Hello All > > > > Now that I am getting used to Ovation, I would like to set up some > > label files, for the label stock I already have. > > > > I have looked at all the places on the net, so as to avoid re inventing > > the wheel but cannot find the one's I need, which are for Avery labels, > > reference > > > > J8165 99.1*67.7 (8) to a sheet > > L18-250 66*46.5 (18) to a sheet > > L21-50 66*38 (21) to a sheet > > L7656 46.11.11 (84) to a sheet > > > > I would be extremely grateful if anyone could guide me to a site where > > I might find such templates. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve > > > > Hi Steve, > > I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized Avery type > labels. > They are, > L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) > L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) > L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) > L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) > > If these are any use I will try and send by email to you (which I have not > done > yet) or if you give me your snailmail address I will send a copy of the files > to you on disc. > > Cheers > > Bryan. > -- > __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ > |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / > | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines > ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 18:45:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113242 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 18:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944848391:20:02836:35; Fri, 10 Dec 99 17:53:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127059; 10 Dec 99 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09471 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:37:39 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09466 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:37:37 GMT Received: (qmail 74522 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 1999 17:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.44.37.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:36:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.44.37.66] From: "Jonathan Overett Somnier" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !Ignore applet Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:36:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've written a new applet called !Ignore which you can find at Christ Johnson's Ovation Pro website at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ !Ignore extends the categories of words that the spellchecker will ignore. Currently these are: * Words containing numbers, eg postcodes * Words starting with capital letters, eg names * Roman numerals * Words containing apostrophes (the segments either side of the apostrophe are checked instead) Each of these options can be separately selected and saved. If you have any ideas for further options please let me know. Jonathan ==================================================================== Jonathan Overett Somnier 36 Trafalgar Street, York. YO23 1HZ Jonathan_Overett@bigfoot.com Tel : +44 (0)1904 640860 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 19:33:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113260 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:33:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944851668:20:14316:23; Fri, 10 Dec 99 18:47:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014400; 10 Dec 99 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09685 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:29 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09675 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:24 GMT Received: (qmail 29738 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14577 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from a152-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.152) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:27:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:04:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Dec, Richard wrote: > On Wed 8 Dec 1999 (21:31:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to > >>have an option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are > >>the roots of > > > >Well could be done, but unlikely. > > > > Thanks for the reply David, I'll think on! This strikes a vague recollection, in typesetting there is a standard unit of measure the em - defined as the width as a capital M, which has the same width as the point size. (The exact size of a cap M may not be an em wide depending on the font design.) This measure is implicit in the em-dash, and halved in the en-dash. If David ever thought of adding the proportional or relative tab stops I suggest using a ruler marked in ems, which is derived each time from the current font size. ISTR that typesetters used to refer to three space sizes - em, en and thin. An em space was used after a bullet, an en space is the usual one between words, and thin spaces were used to modify word spacing for justification. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 19:33:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113264 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:33:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944853736:10:15001:503; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:22:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125302; 10 Dec 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09679 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:25 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins0.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09666 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:22 GMT Received: (qmail 25826 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins0.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14574 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:27:17 -0000 Received: from a152-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.152) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:27:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:35:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <384FF7FE.6E434815@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 09 Dec, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > I like table mate designer. But it lacks enough mathematical > functions to do most of the jobs. Thus I spend more time > pushing buttons on my calculator than typing into TMD > This sounds more like you need a spreadsheet table importing to OPro with OLE editing available. Do any of the RiscOS spreadsheets have the capability? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 19:33:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113265 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:33:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944853917:10:28239:19; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:25:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005662; 10 Dec 99 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09683 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:27 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins0.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09671 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:23 GMT Received: (qmail 25835 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins0.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14569 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from a152-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.152) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:27:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:33:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 09 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. > > Define good table handling? > > > Obviously as of now there is none. > > > > > David Pilling Please excuse me butting in to this thread in the middle. I have rarely used a table facility, preferring to work with tab stops. I'm not particularly keen on line rules all over the place anyway. Most of the tables I have produced were statistical, with a description in the first column and row upon row of numbers. Tabs are fine for this sort of table, the faff comes when the data will fit the available space but column heads need angling - each becomes a separate frame at the appropriate angle and aligned to each other. The tables I now regularly produce in OPro are rotas with a date and a number of names (each on a separate tab stop) per line, or a diary with day, date, time and event details on tab stops with event details as a hanging indent when necessary. The only time I remember using Word's table feature (in the midst of a PageMaker document) was for text tables with variable amounts of text in each column and row. (I only handled one document in a series and was quite glad to see the others given to someone else). Yesterday I helped a friend who has been using tables (in Word) for preparing minutes of meetings with numbered points, hanging indent and a first column headed Action for the initials of the person responsible for the action on that point. When I showed her tabs she was amazed at how easy they are and complained at the headaches she has had in the past with tables. (The wordprocessing course she went on when she first got her computer covered tables but not tabs! - a wrong emphasis for a complete beginner). The only feature I might use in OPro to improve tables (if it was available) would be to add a rule of defined weight above or below a line (or paragraph - it could become another of the features of a style) to indicate top and bottom limits, and possibly (lighter) to separate headings from the body or a total line from the body above. For me tables are not an issue in OPro, others have already written that their needs are different. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:33:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113272 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944855444:10:23975:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:50:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125306; 10 Dec 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10199 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10182 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVoh-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:34:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:21:41 GMT Message-Id: <113252@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But please clarify the line that says "future upgrades will be based on >2.52". Do you mean upgrades will also be based on 2.46, or do I somehow have >to get a copy of 2.52 if I want to upgrade in the future? In future I expect to provide upgrades from 2.46 and 2.52 to whatever the new version is. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:33:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113273 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:33:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944855473:10:24486:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:51:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023802; 10 Dec 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10203 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10194 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVop-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:35:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:30:56 GMT Message-Id: <113258@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What about generalising the page/chapter number to have named registers Something like that. Interesting comment, a bit like Framemaker does it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:33:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113276 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944857126:10:02013:44; Fri, 10 Dec 99 20:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002021; 10 Dec 99 20:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10186 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10178 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVol-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:35:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:24:04 GMT Message-Id: <113254@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet - screen option? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible to ad a 'screen' option to the dialogue, as used in >the picture menu, making it possible to change LPI settings? Yes if this is really needed, it is no problem to add. >(Speaking about graduated fills: do you think that we can expect a high >quality postscript output for them in the near future?) Yes real soon, I am working on it now. Interestingly only level 3 PS supports shading, on the older versions one has to repeatedly draw the shape in various colours. This is how ArtWorks for example does it. So I'm a bit nervous about how things will turn out. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:34:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113278 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:34:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944858150:10:24477:19; Fri, 10 Dec 99 20:35:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113499; 10 Dec 99 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10367 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:51:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10362 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:51:02 GMT Received: from (62.188.151.108) [62.188.151.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wW3A-000697-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:49:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:27:39 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Modifying default frame fill colour Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (19:45:01), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >Setting default attributes on objects > Thank you (again!) David. I'll set up a new Default document. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:34:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113280 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944854803:20:18569:22; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:40:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018502; 10 Dec 99 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10034 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:18:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10029 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:18:58 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVYA-000Bod-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:17:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Ignore applet Message-ID: <496e5cac5cian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com>, Jonathan Overett Somnier wrote: > I've written a new applet called !Ignore which you can find at Christ ^^^^^^ > Johnson's Ovation Pro website at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Presumably this is just a seasonal elevation. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:34:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113284 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:34:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944856456:20:12524:20; Fri, 10 Dec 99 20:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103527; 10 Dec 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10189 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVom-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:35:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:27:48 GMT Message-Id: <113256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail Merging -- yet again (sorry) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've even looked at the Ov Pro Hints & Tips, Mail Merging, which seems >to refer me to a Beebug page which is Not Found, All the Beebug pages are toast now - gone forgotton. What you want is the document on making use of the new mail merge features which is available from the file/resources section of the OPro areas on my sites (URL below). >I put "Dear [Merge 1][Merge 99]", using the mail merge facility, in the >two appropriate places, >I _want_ the next name from the list. >What am I missing/doing wrong? Set up field 99 to step to the next record? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:12:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113312 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:12:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944892577:20:04966:17; Sat, 11 Dec 99 06:09:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004900; 11 Dec 99 6:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11637 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:41:14 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11632 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:41:10 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-1-1-019.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.19]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E63A615757 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:39:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:40:40 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail Merging -- yet again (sorry) :-) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113256@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >I've even looked at the Ov Pro Hints & Tips, Mail Merging, which seems > >to refer me to a Beebug page which is Not Found, > > All the Beebug pages are toast now - gone forgotton. > > What you want is the document on making use of the new mail merge features > which is available from the file/resources section of the OPro areas > on my sites (URL below). > > > >I put "Dear [Merge 1][Merge 99]", using the mail merge facility, in the > >two appropriate places, > >I _want_ the next name from the list. > >What am I missing/doing wrong? > > Set up field 99 to step to the next record? > :-) What I _really_ admire about this group is their ability to read minds/see round blind corners/predict the future! Wonderful. Thank you David. Spot on. Doh! (creeps into corner & hides...) Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:12:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113314 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:12:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944911984:10:23017:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 11:33:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022926; 11 Dec 99 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:02:23 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12194 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:02:21 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20862 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:58:43 GMT Received: (qmail 1005 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from useri598.uk.uudial.com (HELO useri598) (194.69.106.208) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 10:59:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:53:44 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Labels in OvationPro Message-ID: <1d4c036e49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello All I have just upgraded to version 2.56, and I am very pleased that it was far easier and less traumatic than my recent upgrade to RiscOs 4 and a larger hD connected to APDL's interface card. At last my system seems to be settling down and becoming realiable. What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating labels, and sendind text to them. I may of course be missing a way of already doing it, and if so please excuse me. I have for years used Pipedream and Fireworkz and have settled on a way of producing lables, but I would like to use OP to do them. In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to each label, and I would like to do it in OP. So as you now say you are going to work on the text side a little more, can you do something with the labels, please. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Bye the way the talk for paid upgrades seems to have subsided, but i am prepared to pay for your services. ### please read programming services David ;) ### Cheers Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:13:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113316 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:12:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944913132:10:16445:18; Sat, 11 Dec 99 11:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016432; 11 Dec 99 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12366 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:36:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12360 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:36:13 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.133) [193.149.80.133] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wkCg-0002aE-00; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:56:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:46:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <496e239ad3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs > Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished > form. Hack at bit here and there and they sort of work too, but I think I've said that before as well. Does tend to fall over at intervals though... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:13:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113317 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944908544:20:15919:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 10:35:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015824; 11 Dec 99 10:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12100 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:21:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12095 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:21:42 GMT Received: from (62.188.151.94) [62.188.151.94] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wi3I-0007RA-00; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:38:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:31:46 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: auto-font size? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Erm, a *very* long shot. Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different lengths? -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:14:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113341 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:14:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944931604:20:01875:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:00:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001813; 11 Dec 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12961 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12956 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wpEW-000Cmf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:18:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:59:04 GMT Message-Id: <113326@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: auto-font size? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display >all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different >lengths? No. Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that computers are here to make your life easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:14:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113343 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:14:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944932742:20:15935:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:19:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015883; 11 Dec 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13223 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:05:27 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13218 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:05:24 GMT Received: (qmail 4036 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from 66-133.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.133) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 17:04:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:57:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: applet problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have lost the option in the sub-menu from at the bottom of the main menu. I am using v.2.56. Looking back through earlier versions as far as 2.52 it is missing from all of them. Can anyone explain why and is it retrievable? In fact it is not terribly important because some time ago David P provided a script file and a sprite to allow the applets menu to be accessed from the button bar and I find this an easier method than from the menu although I still view his sprite (an apple) as an alien icon on my RiscPC!! One thing I have installed on the button bar for example is together with a suitable sprite. This works fine when reformatting an imported text with less than full-width lines. However, if by chance, the JoinLine applet is either disabled or not present in the applets directory of OvPro and I click on the button, then the computer crashes with a error and one has to reboot OvPro and start again. This looks like a bug. A recoverable error message would be better than a fatal crash. I was just a little disappointed when I installed v2.56 to find that the tool still does not work correctly i.e. as in earlier versions before RiscOS4 - something I pointed out a while ago. Formerly one pressed select and dragged the mouse with a double click on select to finish the line. Since RiscOS4 this does not work and to finish one has to click select then click adjust - not so easy. Perhaps it will be improved again in the next upgrade? Otherwise 2.56 is fine and a pleasure to use. -- Maurice Edmundson=====================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:15:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113348 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:15:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944953154:20:12526:37; Sat, 11 Dec 99 22:59:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123623; 11 Dec 99 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14154 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:45:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14149 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:45:10 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.58) [193.149.77.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wvEz-0004t9-00; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:43:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:26:09 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <496EE77C42%mik@xemik.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 Subject: Fully Justified X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I produce a mag' which is fully justified throughout. Part of the doc' requires a date with details to the right (first line tabbed) which may be more than one line of text. This requires a hanging indent, but the first line is often not justified (all other lines are justified correctly). But if I put an image to the right, the text does not justify to the image. Is there a problem with justified text and hanging indents, or am I doing something wrong? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Last but not least, avoid cliches like the plague; seek viable alternatives. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:15:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113355 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:15:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945019187:20:19349:16; Sun, 12 Dec 99 17:19:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019188; 12 Dec 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16105 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:51:52 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16100 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:51:51 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11xCCQ-000DZ1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:50:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:46:27 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: References: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, you wrote: > Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can > show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show > though). Is this possible in OvPro? Yes. Ctrl-G will do this. There's also a menu option and a ready-made macro button (although ISTR that you have to turn it on in the macro dialogue box first). John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 13 17:15:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113358 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:15:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945027279:20:29101:0; Sun, 12 Dec 99 19:34:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122843; 12 Dec 99 19:34 GMT Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=romsley) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xElS-000JCf-0A for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:34:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 06:49:14 GMT From: Angus Mackenzie To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Labels in OvationPro Message-ID: <7a87206f49.angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> References: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: At Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (04 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R In message <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Steve Harratt and David Pilling wrote: > > >What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating > >labels, > > >In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to > >each label, and I would like to do it in OP. > > I don't see the problem, I've just printed a load of Xmas card lables > which incorporate lots of clip art. > > > David Pilling > Well for example yesterday I did some labels thus; 1) blank A4 master page 2) add a label-sized frame with appropriate top margin and ignoring print borders 3) add a frame inside this for clip art 4) and another for text: these last two inside print margins 5) use group, copy and paste to put three across the page 6) group all three and then repeat step 5 down the page 7) print away - they looked fine. However, was there an easier way to position them all which I overlooked? Did I need three frames per label? -- Dr Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Acorn RiscPC user "In all likelihood, world inflation is over" The M D of the International Monetary Fund, 1957 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:17:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113364 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:17:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945078316:20:27859:18; Mon, 13 Dec 99 09:45:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125255; 13 Dec 99 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17943 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:41 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17938 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:38 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08649 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:31 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:22 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:21 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6BF@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Printing fills - sometimes Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:18 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, Congratulations on version 2.56. I briefly tried the fill applet - it looks good on a very short trial. However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I tried a red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - printed well in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not even show as shading (colour photographs printed both times - showing up well in monochrome.) Did not have time to investigate - any thoughts? Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:17:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113366 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:17:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945080217:20:02544:30; Mon, 13 Dec 99 10:16:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002527; 13 Dec 99 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18020 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:48:01 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18015 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:59 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16488 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:54 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:50 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:50 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6C0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:49 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, Maurice Edmundson [maured@eurobell.co.uk] wrote: >In fact it is not terribly important because some time ago David P provided >a script file and a sprite to allow the applets menu to be accessed from the >button bar and I find this an easier method than from the menu although I >still view his sprite (an apple) as an alien icon on my RiscPC!! I don't remember this and cannot find it on the web site (perhaps I am not looking in the right place). It would be useful - can anybody point me in the right direction. Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:21:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113375 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:21:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944931605:10:06733:19; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:00:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124704; 11 Dec 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12926 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:07:46 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12921 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:07:44 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-9.access.ch [212.161.128.9]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15524 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:06:27 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:51:46 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Weird effect in OCR-text To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <383421C1.24C283BF@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov, J. Konietzko wrote: > I am currently scanning some lecture notes (with David Pilling's scanning software/Sleuth3),saving > the OCRed text as RTF and dragging it into Ovation Pro (v.2.53). > Most pages then look more or less like the originals; for some reason on some > pages most of the line breaks are lost, giving a few large blocks of text > instead of long lists of one line items. > I then compare with the original, look for the line beginnings, click and > press Return. > Now for the weird part: very occasionally a line beginning jumps to the > middle of the page (about 110 mm to the right of the other line beginnings), > and I can find no way of removing this space; actually, it does not seem to > exist for Ovation, because, if I click onto some spot left of the text, the > cursor appears below the mouse pointer on the next line. > Any suggestions? The problem probably lies with the OCRing package. A scanned text may hold spots or whatever, not really understandable for the OCRing program. After text rendering it can be that the file contains some invisible tokens which, when imported to OvPro (Ovation1 as well), give the result you see. These invisible tokens have space zero, so you cannot select them and therefore not delete them. My cure in these cases has been to select the space concerned including 1 or 2 visible tokens on either side of that space and delete that. Yes, you'll have to correct the deleted visible characters then. Hope this helps. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:23:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113376 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:21:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944931636:10:07900:19; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:00:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007791; 11 Dec 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12967 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12962 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wpEU-000Cmf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:18:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:56:44 GMT Message-Id: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels in OvationPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating >labels, and sendind text to them ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmm e.g.? >In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to >each label, and I would like to do it in OP. I don't see the problem, I've just printed a load of Xmas card lables which incorporate lots of clip art. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:42:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113379 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:42:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945105950:20:14263:68; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:25:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127798; 13 Dec 99 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18999 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:54:05 GMT Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18994 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:54:03 GMT Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id QAA28919 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:53:32 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:53 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: Labels in Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> I've had no problems in producing labels in OvPro. Just made my own matrix. John Phillips Cumbria in the North West -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 18:37:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113395 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 18:36:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944948766:10:29877:20; Sat, 11 Dec 99 21:46:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112902; 11 Dec 99 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13890 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:57 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13885 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:55 GMT Received: (qmail 13508 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 21:11:37 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 21:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13147 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 21:01:54 -0000 Received: from a036-05-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.56.102.36) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 21:01:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:15:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: auto-font size? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <113326@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display > >all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different > >lengths? > > No. > > Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that computers > are here to make your life easier. > > In theory it must be possible. You (David) already have code to keep track of when text spills out of a frame and either move to the next linked frame, or display the overflow indicator, also some keeping track of when text reaches the end of the line (edge of the frame) and wrap it. The code to auto-size to fit could be lots of trial and error with pre-determined steps to try, either the standard sizes in the menu or a fixed number of points. To make it look more magic do the calculations but don't redraw the screen until you have the correct size - to entertain the user re-draw the screen for every attempt (should double the time it would take to do it manually!). Is this something which the knowledgeable could write as a macro, script or applet? Sorry to offer the start of the logic and then stop - I have never learned to program anything much, and prefer using OPro to trying to change it myself. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 18:42:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113397 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 18:41:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944961955:10:16128:16; Sun, 12 Dec 99 01:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016104; 12 Dec 99 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14442 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:08:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA14437 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:08:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.154.143) [62.188.154.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wxTa-0000OA-00; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:07:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:04:13 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: auto-font size? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 11 Dec 1999 (14:59:04), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >No. > >Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that >computers are here to make your life easier. :-) (and thanks for information...) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 19:34:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113409 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 19:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945001032:10:17830:16; Sun, 12 Dec 99 12:17:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108467; 12 Dec 99 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15378 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:47:53 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15373 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:47:51 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust20.tnt5.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.153.213.20] with SMTP for id MAA10865 (8.8.8/1.19); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:46:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003e01bf4496$bc4f4cc0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: auto-font size? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:32:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:02 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > >>Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display >>all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different >>lengths? > >No. > >Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that computers >are here to make your life easier. !Organizer does something like that in the address book. Fontsize depends on the number of entries you want on a page combined with the number of lines in every entry. If you really want something you can't read on screen is a maximum of entries with more than six lines :-) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 19:34:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113414 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 19:34:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945014907:10:21629:19; Sun, 12 Dec 99 16:08:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021719; 12 Dec 99 16:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15903 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:54:16 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15898 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:54:14 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-12-23.easynet.co.uk [212.134.20.23]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3ACC7B047 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:52:45 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:48:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Quick question Message-ID: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show though). Is this possible in OvPro? -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 19:34:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113418 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 19:34:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945046970:10:24345:17; Mon, 13 Dec 99 01:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122175; 13 Dec 99 1:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16959 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:47 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16954 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:32 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-2-119.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.119]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C942EDAFB9 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:28 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:33:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <496f7c755eray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, Ian Hamilton wrote: > Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can > show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show > though). Is this possible in OvPro? Yes. Either Menu...Vie...Options to get the View Options window and turn off the Guidlines, or you can access the window with Ctrl-Shift-O You will then only get the frame outline for the selected frame. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 21:18:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113449 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945117769:20:06229:63; Mon, 13 Dec 99 20:42:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007474; 13 Dec 99 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19559 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19554 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:29 GMT Received: from (194.69.104.20) [194.69.104.20] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11xc04-00042Z-00; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:20:04 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 13 Dec 1999 (09:26:18), michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk wrote: > I briefly tried the fill applet - it looks good on a very short trial. > > However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I > tried a red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - > printed well in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not > even show as shading (colour photographs printed both times - showing > up well in monochrome.) > It could be that the hues may have been too pale to print out in monochrome. Changing the Quality in the printer configuration dialogue box may help. Using 'Grey, halftoned (fine)' the range of greys is very limited. It is better using 'grey, diffused' and best of all using 'grey, halftoned'. The smaller number of printer dots to each halftone dot the smaller the range of tones that can be produced: a 3x3 block of nine dots can give 10 tones (including black and white); a 4x4 block can give 16 tones, etc. You could try changing the printer quality to 'grey, halftoned' but there is a trade-off between tonal range and definition. Check by printing off a full black - full white tonal range using the various qualities. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 21:49:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113461 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945121219:10:10778:24; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:40:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107866; 13 Dec 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19773 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19767 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xcv7-000PlY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:00:43 GMT Message-Id: <113443@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fully Justified X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I produce a mag' which is fully justified throughout. Part of the doc' >requires a date with details to the right (first line tabbed) which may be >more than one line of text. This requires a hanging indent, but the first >line is often not justified (all other lines are justified correctly). But if >I put an image to the right, the text does not justify to the image. As it stands OPro does not make sense of justified lines with tabs in. I could never see what the meaning of tab in a justified line was. However recently someone explained it to me, and one day I will implement this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 22:36:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113463 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945121988:10:23524:16; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:53:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121997; 13 Dec 99 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19768 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19760 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xcv6-000PlY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 20:56:14 GMT Message-Id: <113441@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have lost the option in the sub-menu from at the The normal reason would be that this menu only appears if some applets that want to make use of it are loaded. Another explanation I think is that some of the old (pre 2.45) 'script applets' upset things, but you should not be using them with new versions of the program. >One thing I have installed on the button bar for example is >of OvPro and I click on the button, then the computer crashes with a stack for trap handler> error and one has to reboot OvPro and start again. Obviously this should not happen... >I was just a little disappointed when I installed v2.56 to find that the > tool still does not work correctly i.e. as in earlier versions I am aware of this, it does seem to be wrong, ROSL deny any changes, yet I am sure it used to work differently. I will fix it in due course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 22:36:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113464 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945122338:20:11905:24; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:58:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101700; 13 Dec 99 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19780 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19775 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xcvA-000PlY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:05:13 GMT Message-Id: <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I tried a >red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - printed well >in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not even show as shading >(colour photographs printed both times - showing up well in monochrome.) Rendering a fill is just rendering a sprite. There is some code which decides if that sprite should be in colour, or black and white, what the resolution is etc. The same code is used when you have a picture in an irregular frame (be interesting to compare results of a fill and such a picture). This is a possible problem area. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 22:36:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113466 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:36:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945122788:20:17836:17; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:06:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017626; 13 Dec 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19972 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:50:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19967 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:50:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xdMD-0004sr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:50:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:45:10 GMT Message-Id: <113458@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >One thing I have installed on the button bar for example is >together with a suitable sprite. This works fine when reformatting an >imported text with less than full-width lines. However, if by chance, the >JoinLine applet is either disabled or not present in the applets directory >of OvPro and I click on the button, then the computer crashes with a stack for trap handler> Not so fast! Having tried this, it does not crash, it gives the correct error message. Which makes me wonder if your problem is not the usual RISC OS 4 + DDE thing. See quote below. One thing though this applet should have a button sprite, and my copy does not. Anyone seen the version with it? ====================================================================================== (3) Script language crashes Symptom: When compiling script language code which should produce an error, OvationPro crashes with a "trap in trap handler" error. Note this fits quite a wide range of situations, it might be an applet with an error in a script file loaded during program startup, it might be a typing mistake in a macro definition and that macro will only be compiled when you press a key or click on the button bar. Solution: The RISC OS 4 DDEUtils module 1.59 has a bug in it. It will cause this crash if there is no 'throwback' handler registered. So one workaround is to have a throwback handler present - i.e. have something like the Zap editor running and set up for throwback. Another alternative is to *unplug the DDEUtils module, on older versions of RISC OS it was not loaded by default. Yet another alternative would be to load the DDEUtils module from an older version of RISC OS. A fixed DDEUtils module is available from RISC OS Ltd. as part of a collection of patches for RISC OS 4. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113485 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945141954:10:05187:18; Tue, 14 Dec 99 03:25:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112597; 14 Dec 99 3:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20742 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:08:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20737 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:08:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xiJs-0007r0-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:08:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 02:22:41 GMT Message-Id: <113482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fill Applet 1.01 released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Version 1.01 of the fill applet is now on the web sites. The main new feature is PostScript support for graduated fills. This should put results on a par with ArtWorks etc. I would be interested to hear if anyone has problems. It also fixes the problems with silly skew values causing a crash. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113484 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945144414:20:20141:18; Tue, 14 Dec 99 04:06:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117444; 14 Dec 99 4:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20860 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:36:22 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20855 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:36:17 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-187.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.187]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA80297 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:05:55 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:52:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Labels in OvationPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > >What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating > >labels, and sendind text to them > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Hmm e.g.? > > > >In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to > >each label, and I would like to do it in OP. > > I don't see the problem, I've just printed a load of Xmas card lables > which incorporate lots of clip art. > Some examples on one of the web sites could be useful then it may help a number of others. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113486 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945158103:10:29661:16; Tue, 14 Dec 99 07:55:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121574; 14 Dec 99 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21283 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:36:16 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21278 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:36:14 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-2-228.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.228]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E18C7B037 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:35:56 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ian Hamilton (NR)" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:26:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> In-Reply-To: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, Ian Hamilton wrote: > Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can > show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show > though). Is this possible in OvPro? Thanks John & Ray. I had seen this but somehow convinced myself it did something completely different. I thought it just applied to the horizontal & vertical guide lines that you can add by clicking on the ruler. -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113493 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945172246:20:13670:19; Tue, 14 Dec 99 11:50:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107042; 14 Dec 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21817 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:14 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21812 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:12 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-12-88.easynet.co.uk [212.134.20.88]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B230D7B184 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:19:51 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:54:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes Message-ID: <49700242adray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I > >tried a red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - > >printed well in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not > >even show as shading (colour photographs printed both times - showing > >up well in monochrome.) > Rendering a fill is just rendering a sprite. There is some code which > decides if that sprite should be in colour, or black and white, what > the resolution is etc. The same code is used when you have a picture > in an irregular frame (be interesting to compare results of a fill and > such a picture). I notice that if I apply a graduated fill to a frame, then the centre of the graduation is not in the centre of the frame, but way over to the left. Also, it would make sense to me if the Fill applet was available from the Object...Modify window, rather than being an item of its own at the bottom of the Object menu. The Fill colour box would then be more appropriate in the Fill window? As it stands we have Fill parameters scattered around a bit. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 14:16:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113502 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 14:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945178634:10:07619:20; Tue, 14 Dec 99 13:37:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126522; 14 Dec 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22102 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:07:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22097 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:07:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xrf4-000B9Y-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:06:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:20:30 GMT Message-Id: <113494@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I notice that if I apply a graduated fill to a frame, then the centre of >the graduation is not in the centre of the frame, but way over to the >left. I think this is just that fills are centered on 0,0 which is the top left hand corner of a frame. >Also, it would make sense to me if the Fill applet was available from the >Object...Modify window, rather than being an item of its own at the >bottom of the Object menu. I agree with that. It ended up the way it is, because that is the way to do things as an extension. To work the other way every modify object window has to know and understand the fill applet. I suspect if you rummage around in the templates you'll find there are some unused icons for fills on some of the object windows. The most interesting of these would have allowed you to have a fill on the page background. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 17:18:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113506 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:18:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945187540:10:01103:153; Tue, 14 Dec 99 16:05:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018672; 14 Dec 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22424 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:34:32 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22419 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:34:30 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.99]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA3996 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:34:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:33:20 +0100 Subject: Fill Applet 1.01 released Message-ID: <4970582ef5delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Perfect! Well, almost perfect... I use a Lexmark 1200 DPI postscript printer, which still displays graduate fills as a (large) number of distinguishable shades of grey. The best way to avoid this, is using a coarser (is this the right term?) screen, e.g. 132 LPI, rather than 150 LPI. This is still true when printing at 2400 DPI. Therefore I would like to have control over the screen settings of fills. Do you think this could easily (= soon) be implemented? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 17:18:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113508 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945190743:10:10669:32; Tue, 14 Dec 99 16:59:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105213; 14 Dec 99 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22642 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:38:24 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22637 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:38:22 GMT Received: (qmail 15272 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1999 16:37:58 -0000 Received: from 66-161.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.161) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 16:37:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:37:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: applet problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667" X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available from your supplier. Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd --57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE When an applet is called from the button bar, the computer crashes if the applet is disabled or is not present. Thankyou for your help with this one. I hadn=91t realised it was a RiscOS4 bug. Just to test this I *unplugged DDEUtils module and I then got the correct error message without any trap handler crash. Obviously the correct solution is for me to contact RiscOS4 and obtain the new patches.=20 The sprite I use for JoinLine on the button bar is attached. Not very adventurous but it serves the purpose unambiguously! The loss of the applets option on the main menu sub-menu I have not yet solved. I have tried various sets of applets in an effort to see if one was causing the problem, but so far without success. So far as I know the applets which are installed are recent versions. The button macro seems to serve the same purpose so I am not unduly bothered. One just likes to fathom the cause of strange occurences.=20 --=20 Maurice Edmundson=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3Demail:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. --57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667 Content-Type: APPLICATION/RISCOS; NAME="joinlines,ff9"; TYPE=Sprite; LOAD=&fffff949; EXEC=&3c4c17ac; ACCESS=&03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 AQAAABAAAAC0AAAApAAAAGpvaW5fbGluZXMAAAIAAAAJAAAAAAAAAAcAAAAs AAAALAAAAAwAAAAREREREREREREAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAu7u7ALsAABAA AAAAALsAALsAABAAAAAAALsAALsAABAAAACwALsAALsAABAAAACwu7sAALu7 uxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAREREREREREREAAAA= --57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 17:34:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113515 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:34:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945192227:20:26285:36; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:23:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026237; 14 Dec 99 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22732 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:03:06 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22727 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:03:04 GMT Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 11xvLU-0004nV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:02:40 +0000 Message-ID: <38567830.2AB3@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:02:40 +0000 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? References: <113165@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >I don't think DP is the one to talk to about tables in OP - George > >Buchanan of Dalriada is probably more useful. > > Perhaps I'd better say tables are further down the list than bullets. > And the