From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 14:21:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112078 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:21:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944143790:20:02397:23; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:09:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113119; 2 Dec 99 14:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA04110 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:51:21 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04103 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:51:14 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13285 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:26 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA13952 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:24 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Master pages Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:49:51 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <496a1deb95dfs@ukgateway.net> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > I don't want to have to make the adjustments 28 times... So please, anyone > know how to hilight all 28 master pages together so I can make one set of > adjustments for the lot. Err, no. Shouldn't it be possible to save as DDL and do a search and replace on the height value in its textual form there? TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 14:24:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112083 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:24:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944144557:10:12245:38; Thu, 02 Dec 99 14:22:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121212; 2 Dec 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03997 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:22:01 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03992 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:21:59 GMT Received: (qmail 14474 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1999 13:21:09 -0000 Received: from userar28.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.136.187) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1999 13:21:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Master pages Message-ID: <496a1deb95dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have an Ov Pro document that has 28 chapters, and as each chapter is slightly different... 28 masterpages. I want to make some small adjustments to the size of the Master frame... which should be the same size in each chapter. I don't want to have to make the adjustments 28 times... So please, anyone know how to hilight all 28 master pages together so I can make one set of adjustments for the lot. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 16:52:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112096 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:52:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944151736:20:23648:20; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:22:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115572; 2 Dec 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04605 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:04:50 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04600 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:04:48 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-130-155.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.130.155]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA20394 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:03:58 GMT Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 12:48:15 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Images Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R It would be interesting if there was an applet called David Pilling's scanning software...? Can that be done? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 16:53:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112101 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:53:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944151796:10:15276:42; Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:23:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004638; 2 Dec 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04479 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:26:34 GMT Received: from alliance.lancs.ac.uk (alliance.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.17.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04474 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:26:33 GMT Received: from exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk ([148.88.17.22]) by alliance.lancs.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11tY76-00078m-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 02 Dec 1999 15:25:44 +0000 Received: by exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:25:50 -0000 Message-ID: <45EA1063C2F8D211915800204808343B3E1712@exchange1.lancs.ac.uk> From: "Sapey, Bob" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: File compatibility Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 15:25:40 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have recently bought Ovationpro after many years of using Impression and I'm still getting to know the package. Very good so far and hopefully a bit more stable than Imp. I would like to know more about the DDL format. I've used RTF a lot to transfer files to my PC at work but wish to know what DDL might be compatible with. Bob Bob Sapey Lecturer in Applied Social Science Lancaster University Lancaster LA1 4YL 01524 594863 SOCIAL WORK RESEARCH is at http://www.lancs.ac.uk/users/apsocsci/swr/conts.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 18:01:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112123 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 18:01:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944156617:10:23569:254; Thu, 02 Dec 99 17:43:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003673; 2 Dec 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04894 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:07:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA04889 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:07:18 GMT Received: from (userl494) [193.149.75.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11tZga-00042K-00; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:06:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 13:32:57 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <9d211f6a49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Subject: Contents applet update X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is now an updated version of the Contents applet on the alternative Ovation Pro resources site at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/. This contains various minor improvements, and an entirely new user interface which I hope is easier to use. In keeping with a suggestion made on this list I have also added a macro button definition for it. Roger Noble -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 18:01:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112125 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 18:01:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944157571:20:22147:16; Thu, 02 Dec 99 17:59:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022094; 2 Dec 99 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04996 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04989 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11taGe-000P3J-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:43:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:59:39 GMT Message-Id: <112109@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: File compatibility X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to know more about the DDL format. I've used RTF a lot to transfer >files to my PC at work but wish to know what DDL might be compatible with. DDL is used by only one program, OvationPro. The idea was that conversion programs (like those supplied for DDF and RTF) would convert to and from DDL. It would also allow programs e.g. a database to generate OPro documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 19:07:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112131 for opro ; Thu, 02 Dec 99 19:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944160979:10:24478:284; Thu, 02 Dec 99 18:56:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118057; 2 Dec 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04993 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04984 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:44:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11taGd-000P3J-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:43:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 99 16:59:32 GMT Message-Id: <112107@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It would be interesting if there was an applet called >David Pilling's scanning software...? Can that be done? What create an applet with the same name as a well known application and thus cause confusion? Yep I think we can do that 8-) There's always been the thought that David Pilling's scanning software has facilities (like loading foreign file formats) which OPro lacks. It would be easy to link the code in, but of course it would make OPro a lot bigger, and I've never been able to settle on a protocol for linking the two. Presumeably though for bit map editing, OLE is all you need. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 01:38:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112157 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:38:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944172067:10:21727:21; Thu, 02 Dec 99 22:01:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021579; 2 Dec 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05642 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:31:30 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05637 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:31:28 GMT Received: (qmail 26952 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1999 21:30:36 -0000 Received: from userbr23.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.146.216) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 1999 21:30:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:26:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496a4a75addfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <496a1deb95dfs@ukgateway.net> <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <000201bf3ccc$1b244520$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > I don't want to have to make the adjustments 28 times... So please, > > anyone know how to hilight all 28 master pages together so I can make > > one set of adjustments for the lot. > Err, no. Shouldn't it be possible to save as DDL and do a search and > replace on the height value in its textual form there? > TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for > Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk > Disclaimer: caveat internettor Mmnnn! well it's a laudable idea Nick... if only life was that simple. Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want to find and change. Not a single showing of W 157.26mm So that doesn't work. It seems that in DDL output OvPro uses some other form of measurement... and there was me thinking we went Metric all those years ago. Next suggestion please. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 01:39:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112160 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:38:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944183870:20:11138:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:17:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010095; 3 Dec 99 1:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA06024 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:49:33 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA06019 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:49:31 GMT Received: from chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk ([194.222.205.183]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11tgtp-000Cai-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:48:38 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by chuzzlewit.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 00:47:18 GMT Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 01:47:06 +0100 From: Deri James To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <496a4a75addfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: AtHome X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Err, no. Shouldn't it be possible to save as DDL and do a > > search and replace on the height value in its textual form > > there? > > > TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information > > Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ > > mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk > > Disclaimer: caveat internettor > > > Mmnnn! well it's a laudable idea Nick... if only life was that > simple. > > Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want > to find and change. Not a single showing of W 157.26mm So that > doesn't work. It seems that in DDL output OvPro uses some other > form of measurement... and there was me thinking we went Metric > all those years ago. Next suggestion please. > > Cheers > > Dave S > > I believe the units used in DDL are millipoints so there are 72000 of them to an inch:- If you go into Misc->Preferences:General and change display unit to points, you will see that the width is now 445.78. In the DDL file you may well discover a line (hopefully in a "textframe" which includes "{masterframe 1}") a line something close to "{w 445777}". It's not possible to give an exact formula because OvPro holds numbers to a far greater precision than it displays in the width setting box. Replace this number with a suitable millipoint setting for what you want and then reload the DDL (making very sure you have kept a safe backup of your original document!!) -- Deri James dawn chorus(n): Nature's way of telling the programmer to go to sleep. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:49:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112176 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:49:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944191205:10:10469:17; Fri, 03 Dec 99 03:20:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100857; 3 Dec 99 3:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06371 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:04:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06366 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:04:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tj0g-00025N-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 03:03:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 01:41:15 GMT Message-Id: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd better start by saying things could be better with the master pages, all in due course. However if you have to hack the DDL file, here are some comments. >Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want to find >and change. OPro's internal units are the same as those in RISC OS - 72000 to the inch. Since a point is 72 to the inch, if you set up OPro to display in points you should be able to see the connection. However DDL files are not random collections of numbers... If you look at one you'll see something like this. >CHAP_111={chapter {papersize "A4" 0 {w 595276} {h 841890} {sideways 0}} >{omitheader 0} {omitfooter 0} >{chapternumber 1} >{pagenumberformat 2} >{startonleft 0} >} The numbers after w and h in the CHAP line show the page size. >PAGE_10c={masterpage {colourvalue COL_02 0x10000 0}} >TEXT_10d={textframe >{lock 0} {spread 0} >{masterframe 1} >{fillcolour COL_02 0x10000 0} >{radius 0} >{columns 1}{gutterwidth 14173}{columnguides 0 {thickness 2834} {colourvalue COL_01 0x10000 0}} >{vertalign 0} >{inset 2834} >{textflow 3 1 2834} >{fcurve {box {x 28346} >{y 28346} >{w 538584} >{h 785198} >}} >{angle 0x0} >{skew 0x0} >} And here the number after w and h show the pincipal text frame size. 538584/72000 equals 7.48" David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112188 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944223097:20:17124:32; Fri, 03 Dec 99 12:11:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103056; 3 Dec 99 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07741 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:41:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07736 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:41:05 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tr47-000ApI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:39:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:38:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: !Contents Applet To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello On Fri 03 Dec, Mike Hunter wrote: > Greetings > > I downloaded the new !Contents Applet with the intention of working out how > to use it before I need to use it in earnest! > > Problem 1 - when I tried to print the !Help OvnPro document I got a type 5 > error and had to reboot the machine. I tried again after a clean start and > the same problem when printing around page 3. [snipped] > > This is on a RPC with OS4.02 and OvnPro 2.55. > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in use - > perhaps there is a clash. > > Michael > -- No trouble. I first created the Contents list and saved the file back to !Help. Then went to print but changed my mind in mid stream and cancelled. This locked up machine - something that seems to happen with my setup if I do that. Restarted - elected to print odd pages first, then turn over and do even pages. Printed OK - but ensure you note that your printing is done a Chapter at a time if you do the odd/even thing. 18 Applets in use. I too have a small job to use it on so we will see how it goes for real. And thanks, Roger, for the macro button. Malcolm > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112195 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944207050:10:08695:18; Fri, 03 Dec 99 07:44:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008594; 3 Dec 99 7:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06817 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:52 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06810 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:50 GMT Received: (qmail 12791 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 07:28:53 -0000 Received: from userh956.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.104.75) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 07:28:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I'd better start by saying things could be better with the master pages, > all in due course. However if you have to hack the DDL file, here > are some comments. > >Unfortunately nowhere in the DDL file is the measurement I want to find > >and change. > OPro's internal units are the same as those in RISC OS - 72000 to > the inch. Since a point is 72 to the inch, if you set up OPro to > display in points you should be able to see the connection. [Snip] > And here the number after w and h show the pincipal text frame size. > 538584/72000 equals 7.48" > David Pilling David, Thanks for the info most useful... Ahm! (All old organ jokes aside)... What's an inch? Shouldn't we be talking about 0.3527777+mm to a point... or in a roundish way 72 points to 25.4mm or I suppose 10mm = 28.34646 (ish) points. ;-) Sorry in my line we don't do centimetres, we find it just confuses the customers. Just millimetres and Metres. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112200 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944208201:10:02879:22; Fri, 03 Dec 99 08:03:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002106; 3 Dec 99 8:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA06812 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:51 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA06805 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 07:29:49 GMT Received: (qmail 12789 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 07:28:51 -0000 Received: from userh956.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.104.75) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 07:28:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 07:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496a7f3d6edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <496a4a75addfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Deri James wrote: [Snip] > > > I believe the units used in DDL are millipoints so there are > 72000 of them to an inch:- > If you go into Misc->Preferences:General and change display unit > to points, you will see that the width is now 445.78. In the DDL > file you may well discover a line (hopefully in a "textframe" > which includes "{masterframe 1}") a line something close to "{w > 445777}". > It's not possible to give an exact formula because OvPro holds > numbers to a far greater precision than it displays in the width > setting box. > Replace this number with a suitable millipoint setting for what > you want and then reload the DDL (making very sure you have kept > a safe backup of your original document!!) > Deri First, thanks to Nick, Deri and DP for info and suggestions. It does indeed work... most useful, however the resulting file has a problem. The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) this document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc any more, just a plain old single document. How do I get around that one guys? :-( Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:50:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112207 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944214327:10:09998:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 09:45:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124233; 3 Dec 99 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07200 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:14:49 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07195 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:14:47 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06280 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:13:50 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24910 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:13:49 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Master pages Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:13:27 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <496a7f3d6edfs@ukgateway.net> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) this > document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc any more, > just a plain old single document. > > How do I get around that one guys? :-( Unless something really wierd's happened, you should just go to the print dialogue and select pamphlet mode - you may also need to 'View options' and select 'Facing pages' if that's how you were viewing things before. The DDL save/reload itself doesn't really do much to *content* (apart from fix problems ;-), it does however reset the view and print options etc to default values. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112208 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:50:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944214841:10:19007:22; Fri, 03 Dec 99 09:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016608; 3 Dec 99 9:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07291 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:37:28 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07286 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:37:27 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22828 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:36:29 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:35:22 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:35:22 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: !Contents Applet Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 09:35:19 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings I downloaded the new !Contents Applet with the intention of working out how to use it before I need to use it in earnest! Problem 1 - when I tried to print the !Help OvnPro document I got a type 5 error and had to reboot the machine. I tried again after a clean start and the same problem when printing around page 3. Saved the file as DDL and reloaded - I got it printed this time. I installed the applet and (after a restart of OvnPro) tried to insert the contents in the !Help file - I thinks it was a type 3 error this time and OnvPro exited. I tried again and got a type 5 error and then ran out of time. This is on a RPC with OS4.02 and OvnPro 2.55. Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in use - perhaps there is a clash. Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112213 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944222195:10:10955:247; Fri, 03 Dec 99 11:56:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125408; 3 Dec 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07604 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:11:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07599 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:11:00 GMT Received: from (userl428) [193.149.74.241] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11tqbB-0002eS-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:10:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:09:48 GMT From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> Mike Hunter wrote: > Greetings > > I downloaded the new !Contents Applet with the intention of working out how > to use it before I need to use it in earnest! > [snip various problems] > > This is on a RPC with OS4.02 and OvnPro 2.55. > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in use - > perhaps there is a clash. Needless to say it does none of this on my machine, same OS, same version of OvnPro ... anybody else get the same problems? Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112214 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944222791:10:20449:241; Fri, 03 Dec 99 12:06:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101034; 3 Dec 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07633 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:20:02 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07618 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:19:46 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.46]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FM5WR704.414 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:18:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:18:02 +0100 Subject: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in > use - perhaps there is a clash. No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after printing, saying Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, though. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112220 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944226353:10:02383:80; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:05:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110995; 3 Dec 99 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08147 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:44:45 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08141 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:44:40 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user169.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.101]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12915 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 12:43:32 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:57:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 Message-ID: <496a9a44eemarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> References: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have downloaded the 2.55 upgrade. It de-archives with the message 'Invalid Zip File Header' Click OK and it co tinues to de-archive. Use the archive to upgrade and the upgrade 'completes successfully'. Copy the 2.55 over 2.52 and all seems to work as usual. Try to run OPro 2.55 and it gives a fatal error (Type 3) message. Try it again and the machine locks up only unforzen by ALT-BREAK and quit 'Front End'. Anyone any thoughts? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112223 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944228200:10:29730:89; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:36:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129225; 3 Dec 99 13:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08222 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:00:27 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08217 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:00:25 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip26 [129.69.189.26]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA16004 for Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:52:51 +0100 Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: [snip] > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). > Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any > damage, though. > Does this sound familiar to anyone? Yes, I even got this with 3.70 and now with 4.02 as well. Do you have any shared printers set up? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 13:51:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112224 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:51:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944228289:10:03115:58; Fri, 03 Dec 99 13:38:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003413; 3 Dec 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08310 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:19:31 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08305 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:19:29 GMT Received: from modem-54.lamivudine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.75.54] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #0) id 11tsbU-0006LG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:18:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496aa162c0Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: [Snip] > No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after > printing, saying > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking nine times on > Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, though. Does this > sound familiar to anyone? I have seen this several times, not only with OPro, Draw for one does it as well. I agree that it always takes nine clicks to clear. If the print in background option is set this reset flushes the printer queue. RO4 Printers 1.62 -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 15:10:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112244 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 15:10:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944230775:10:09009:46; Fri, 03 Dec 99 14:19:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1002428; 3 Dec 99 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08435 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:58 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08430 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:36:56 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11tssK-0002nD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 13:35:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:35:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <496aa162c0Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496aa162c0Brian_and User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496aa162c0Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian and Jennie Jordan wrote: > In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: > [Snip] > > No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after > > printing, saying > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this > > message after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking > > nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, > > though. Does this sound familiar to anyone? > I have seen this several times, not only with OPro, Draw for one > does it as well. I agree that it always takes nine clicks to clear. > If the print in background option is set this reset flushes the > printer queue. > RO4 Printers 1.62 This has been the subject of posts before. If you are on a network and using shared printers, then a similar error occurs if the machine with shared printer becomes unavailable for any reason during a print job. I have seen it very occasionally here. On the other hand you may not even have a network card. Some users have reported that the error occurs because, during the upgrade process, Access has somehow been enabled without the user initially being aware, and Printers starts looking for a non-existent network share. Try checking your network settings. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 15:11:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112247 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 15:11:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944232014:10:18302:158; Fri, 03 Dec 99 14:40:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025923; 3 Dec 99 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08695 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:15:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08690 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:15:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ttTF-0004WN-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 14:14:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 14:08:34 GMT Message-Id: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It de-archives with the message 'Invalid Zip File Header' >Anyone any thoughts? Get an undamaged copy of the archive. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112259 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944238612:20:04130:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 16:30:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003579; 3 Dec 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:54:16 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09176 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:54:11 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA08167 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:53:04 GMT Message-ID: <3847E80A.38D387FB@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 15:55:54 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I used to get an error on starting OVP 2.45:- (applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. This went away after a few upgrades. It has returned with 2.52 & 2.55. Is there an easy way to locate the source of this error & fix it? 2.55 also takes up more room than 2.50 & I cannot run therasus at the same time as 2.55 (4 meg A3010 320 meg HD). Is there something I can change to reduce memory requirements? I hope to upgrade to an RS 7500 shortly. Has anyone run OVP on one? David Pilling wrote: > > >It de-archives with the message 'Invalid Zip File Header' > >Anyone any thoughts? > > Get an undamaged copy of the archive. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112260 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944239838:20:24941:44; Fri, 03 Dec 99 16:50:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111350; 3 Dec 99 16:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09278 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:19:17 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09272 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:19:15 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.229]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAD21F8 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:18:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:16:58 +0100 Subject: Shared disc error Message-ID: <496ab1fbe7delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson suggested to check the network settings. And indeed, for some reason Access appeared to be enabled. Switching it off cured the bug - at least, until now. Thanks! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112262 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944240563:20:06999:56; Fri, 03 Dec 99 17:02:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006977; 3 Dec 99 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09392 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:45:46 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09387 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:45:42 GMT Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user163.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.95]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18091 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 16:44:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:42:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 Message-ID: <496ab4513cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112233@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Get an undamaged copy of the archive. I have downloaded four times now (having cleared the cache to ensure a fresh download and each time get the same message. Could be the quality of my out in the sticks BT line! What's the possibility of an e-mailed copy? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112265 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944240749:10:02902:181; Fri, 03 Dec 99 17:05:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029980; 3 Dec 99 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09064 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:27:09 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09059 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:27:07 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-5-100.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.100]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6DFF3DB032 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 15:26:05 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:34:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496aa320b7ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496a9f4befsbellon@s User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, > Paul Sprangers wrote: > [snip] > > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). > > Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any > > damage, though. > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > Yes, I even got this with 3.70 and now with 4.02 as well. Do you have > any shared printers set up? Isn't that an error that ANT suite produces when it thinks you have a printer on a network or something? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 18:15:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112268 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:15:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944243891:20:03010:17; Fri, 03 Dec 99 17:58:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002988; 3 Dec 99 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09591 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:29:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09586 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:29:44 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.220) [62.188.135.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11twVc-0006pV-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 17:28:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:29:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Merging Files Message-ID: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with DDL files. I can save both as DDL and I can see in the main document where appendix one is. Unfortunately, it is not very obvious to the computationally challenged like me just whare in the main DDL file I should make the insert. It is also not very obvious which bits of the 'appendix 2' file need to be merged as it seems to contain all sorts of information that is probably already supplied in the main file. The second file is a detailed list of addresses formatted in a particular way so I would be very miffed if I had to import it as text as set about the formatting all over again. Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL itself? TIA Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 19:08:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112287 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:07:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944246402:20:08906:29; Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:40:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118351; 3 Dec 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09881 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:22:24 GMT Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09876 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:22:22 GMT Received: from modem-72.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.200] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #0) id 11txKY-0003sS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:21:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 18:07:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496abc1f19Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496aa162c0Brian_and User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: [Snip] > On the other hand you may not even have a network card. Some users > have reported that the error occurs because, during the upgrade > process, Access has somehow been enabled without the user initially > being aware, and Printers starts looking for a non-existent network > share. Try checking your network settings. Yup, that was it, the enable Access box was ticked. Thanks. -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 19:42:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112297 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:42:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944249199:20:18740:22; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:26:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018461; 3 Dec 99 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:56:04 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10038 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 18:56:03 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip45 [129.69.189.45]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id TAA21979 for Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:53:11 +0100 Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496ab54c7dsbellon@sbellon.de> In-Reply-To: <496aa320b7ray@magray.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496a9f4befsbellon@s User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496aa320b7ray@magray.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <496a9f4befsbellon@sbellon.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, > > Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' [snip] > > Yes, I even got this with 3.70 and now with 4.02 as well. Do you > > have any shared printers set up? > Isn't that an error that ANT suite produces when it thinks you have a > printer on a network or something? It has nothing to do with the ANT Suite. I get the error message with Socketeer and the Acorn TCP/IP stack. It's a bug in !Printers - I think. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon * * 2-handed sword (n.): A useful tool for alignment problems -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 19:42:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112304 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:42:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944250029:10:02651:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:40:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119513; 3 Dec 99 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10185 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10177 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tyH5-000M6W-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:21:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:28:00 GMT Message-Id: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. I think you might look at the maillist archives. Very irritatingly this has come up several times, but I don't recall a solution being found. I would guess that there is something in the Applets folder inside your copy of OPro (or inside an applet) that should not be there. All this 'specific' stuff is nothing to do with me. >2.55 also takes up more room than 2.50 & I cannot run therasus >at the same time as 2.55 (4 meg A3010 320 meg HD). Is there >something I can change to reduce memory requirements? Remove some applets. Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file. I think the wimp slot in the !Run file can be reduced to 1184K. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 21:11:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112308 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:11:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944251398:10:24199:17; Fri, 03 Dec 99 20:03:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118909; 3 Dec 99 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10441 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:49:01 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10436 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:48:59 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.139] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11tygM-0002bE-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:47:55 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:48:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:47:14 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is > an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot > merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with > DDL files. > [...] > The second file is a detailed list of addresses formatted in a particular > way so I would be very miffed if I had to import it as text as set about > the formatting all over again. > > Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL > itself? I'd be interested in hearing answer with regard to DDL myself: I increasingly need to merge files and I have even been reduced to doing it at PostScript level (using PSUtils). Actually, I would welcome the facility to insert pages/chapters from one document to another. One way round your problem, in the meantime, may be as follows: 1 Create a new (blank) chapter in document 1 with the principal frame as you want it. 2 open document 2 (the appendix) 3 select all 4 copy (i.e. ctrl-c) 5 insert caret at start of blank chapter in document 1 and paste. (After stage 3, you could try just holding down select and dragging and dropping from one document to another) The exact effect of this will depend on how you have your general preferences set (if you have a different style with the same name in the appendix than you need to ensure that the rename option is selected). But you should be able to retain the formatting. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 21:11:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112307 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:11:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944250718:20:09142:25; Fri, 03 Dec 99 19:51:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108751; 3 Dec 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10189 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10182 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:22:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11tyH7-000M6W-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 19:21:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 18:32:42 GMT Message-Id: <112280@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is >an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot >merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with >DDL files. Roughly speaking a DDL file sets off with definitions of things like colours, then follow all the chapter and master page definitions. Then come the actual document chapters, pages etc. So you would have to insert a new chapter/master pages with the other such objects, and then insert the document chapter and pages. All this assumes that the fonts and colours have the same definitions (which they probably won't...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 21:12:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112318 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:12:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944255472:20:12056:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:11:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127359; 3 Dec 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10814 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:43:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10809 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:43:10 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.50) [194.69.105.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11tzWm-0005D6-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:42:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 20:21:25 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 3 Dec 1999 (18:28:00), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file Does this sprite only work in RO > 3.10? I've noticed it in the sprite file, but none of my backgrounds has it in - indeed my iconbar->choices or doc->misc->preferences vertical scroll bars aren't even the same texture as the rest of those two boxes - they are a paler grey than the rest of the (very plain) box. When I have OvPro loaded I normally don't load !Newlook in order to save memory; Newlook gives the scroll bars the appropriate texture, but the rest of the background is still absolutely plain grey Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 22:18:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112330 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:18:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944257987:20:16428:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:53:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016394; 3 Dec 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11027 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:36:43 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11022 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 21:36:41 GMT Received: (qmail 4875 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 21:35:36 -0000 Received: from userp106.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.91.105) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 21:35:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 20:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496ac94c79dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <496a7f3d6edfs@ukgateway.net> <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) > > this document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc > > any more, just a plain old single document. > > > > How do I get around that one guys? :-( > Unless something really wierd's happened, you should just go to the > print dialogue and select pamphlet mode - you may also need to 'View > options' and select 'Facing pages' if that's how you were viewing things > before. The DDL save/reload itself doesn't really do much to *content* > (apart from fix problems ;-), it does however reset the view and print > options etc to default values. > TTFN, Nick Thanks Nick, you've more or less answered my question. I always set up my pamphlet view with facing pages, this enables me to make sure, if I need it, that something is on a specific page side. If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should reset anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit silly as arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or expected. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 23:03:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112340 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944260628:20:22342:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:37:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022316; 3 Dec 99 22:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11205 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11200 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u12g-000IaJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:17:43 GMT Message-Id: <112321@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file >Does this sprite only work in RO > 3.10? I believe so. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 23:03:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112342 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:03:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944261373:20:02101:83; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:49:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129447; 3 Dec 99 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11212 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA11207 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:20:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u12j-000IaJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 21:17:56 GMT Message-Id: <112323@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I increasingly need to merge files I've thought about this before, I suppose the primitive operation I need to supply is to copy a chapter to the clip board? Obviously I could let you drop one document into another or allow it in many other ways, but building on whats there now, thats all you'd need? Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 3 23:03:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112344 for opro ; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:03:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944261287:10:20643:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:48:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110037; 3 Dec 99 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11181 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11176 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:19:31 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.78.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11u121-0000yI-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:18:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 19:27:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496ac36c5dray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496abc1f19Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> <496aa162c0Brian_and User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496abc1f19Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk>, Brian and Jennie Jordan wrote: > In article <496aa3310cC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk>, > Chris Johnson wrote: > [Snip] > > On the other hand you may not even have a network card. Some users > > have reported that the error occurs because, during the upgrade > > process, Access has somehow been enabled without the user initially > > being aware, and Printers starts looking for a non-existent network > > share. Try checking your network settings. > Yup, that was it, the enable Access box was ticked. Thanks. If you look inside !Scrap you may now find a numbered scrap directory that can be deleted. I had this happen when the Access got left ticked. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 01:42:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112349 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 01:42:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944262863:10:21414:16; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:14:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021363; 3 Dec 99 23:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11498 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:00:29 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11493 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:00:27 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.235] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11u1fe-0001p1-00; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 22:59:22 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:35:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:34:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <9583d46a49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496ac94c79dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dave Symes wrote: > In article <000201bf3d6e$a8d37330$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Dave Symes wrote: > > > > The original file is a Pamphlet document, the simple act of DDL(ing) > > > this document mean... when returned to OvPro it's not a Pamphlet doc > > > any more, just a plain old single document. > > > > > > How do I get around that one guys? :-( > > > Unless something really wierd's happened, you should just go to the > > print dialogue and select pamphlet mode - you may also need to 'View > > options' and select 'Facing pages' if that's how you were viewing things > > before. The DDL save/reload itself doesn't really do much to *content* > > (apart from fix problems ;-), it does however reset the view and print > > options etc to default values. > > > TTFN, Nick > > Thanks Nick, you've more or less answered my question. > I always set up my pamphlet view with facing pages, this enables me to > make sure, if I need it, that something is on a specific page side. > > If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing > pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should reset > anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit silly as > arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or expected. > The point is that view or print preferences are not part of the doc structure. However, the settings for the baseline grid surely are (they interact with text styles which lock to grid) - but they are also omitted from the DDL spec. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 01:43:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112354 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 01:43:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944264835:20:18079:20; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:47:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121329; 3 Dec 99 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11800 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:30:36 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11795 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:30:35 GMT Received: (qmail 15637 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 23:29:29 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 23:29:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 18367 invoked from network); 3 Dec 1999 23:12:13 -0000 Received: from a135-05-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.56.102.135) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 3 Dec 1999 23:12:13 -0000 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:06:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Merging Files To: Ovation List In-Reply-To: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 03 Dec, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I am trying to merge two OPro files. One is a document and the second is > an appendix (appendix 2) for the document. I understand that I cannot > merge them as OPro files, but I assume there must be a way to do it with > DDL files. > > Not quite the answer you are hoping for, but... I would open both documents in OPro, Create the new chapter (or however you want to handle Appendix 2) in the main document. Highlight all of Appendix 2, CTRL-C to copy it to OPro's clipboard. Go back to the main document and CTRL-V to paste all that text in, formatting is preserved when doing this. The caveat is Styles - are styles with the same name defined differently in the two documents? If so you have to decide whether the main document is to rule, or the importing styles get added with numeric suffixes (Heading becomes Heading01 if it is different from the original style Heading etc). If you really want to learn about DDL files this might be a way to learn - keep the two DDL files you have now, merge your documents as above and save the result as DDL. Compare files to see what has been added where and what has not been added because it was already in the main document. Hope this is some help. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 01:43:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112360 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 01:43:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944263952:10:08765:19; Fri, 03 Dec 99 23:32:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008712; 3 Dec 99 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11596 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:05:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11589 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:05:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u1kE-000M3Z-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:04:06 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 99 22:20:28 GMT Message-Id: <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing >pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should reset >anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit silly as >arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or expected. Because the print format and the facing pages setting are just different ways of displaying a document. You could for example have two windows open on one document, one showing facing pages, and the other not. There's no such thing as a pamphlet document, anything can be printed in paphlet form. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:15:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112390 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:15:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944294044:10:09856:18; Sat, 04 Dec 99 07:54:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009030; 4 Dec 99 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12975 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:38:48 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12970 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 07:38:46 GMT Received: (qmail 6270 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 07:37:35 -0000 Received: from usera707.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.68.199) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 07:37:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 07:09:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496b03b848dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112332@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >If I do as you suggested and do 'View options' and re-select 'Facing > >pages' it's back where it should be... though why Doing DLL should > >reset anything other than things the users changes manually seems a bit > >silly as arbitrary changes to a doc structure are not invited or > >expected. > Because the print format and the facing pages setting are just different > ways of displaying a document. You could for example have two windows > open on one document, one showing facing pages, and the other not. > There's no such thing as a pamphlet document, anything can be printed in > paphlet form. > David Pilling Yes you are obviously correct in that anything can be printed in pamphlet form, but unless the doc is set up in a particular way beforehand, the resulting printed pamphlet is a mess. So there is such a thing as a pamphlet document, the master/template document I use whenever I want to create a pamphlet, is just that. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:15:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112388 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:15:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944277897:20:04484:28; Sat, 04 Dec 99 03:24:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122012; 4 Dec 99 3:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12404 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:10:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12399 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:10:41 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11u5Zm-000Lp8-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:09:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 99 02:11:26 GMT Message-Id: <112378@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, the settings for the baseline grid surely >are (they interact with text styles which lock to grid) - but >they are also omitted from the DDL spec. Yes, this is wrong. The document text preferences should be in the DDL, but they are not at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:16:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112394 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:16:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944278690:20:16002:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 03:38:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015992; 4 Dec 99 3:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12443 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:11:32 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12434 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 03:11:30 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id EAA21277 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 04:10:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11tued-000JKpC; Fri, 3 Dec 99 16:29 MET Message-ID: <3847E219.7F3E3578@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 16:30:34 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: spell checkers References: <111357@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some weeks ago there was some discussion about how many words a spell checker should know (awk, auk,...) Well, here's a little something (read it out loud, please!) from the pages of Archive (six or seven years ago) which shows quite clearly that a most rigid restraint is necessary when teaching a spell checker new tricks. ;-)) Have fun! Jochen Konietzko Sow much four spelling chequers! Won knight sum phew daze a go, being a try full board, icon clue dead the tit was thyme two sea watt a spelling chequer wood do with an aviary day peace of righting. Eye sat my sulphate my usual plaice at the key bored of my valley ant Acorn and a sigh typed, I weighted in vein fore the yew till it tea too come plane, butt knot a whirr did it take except shun to. Aye no, of coarse, that a yam vary hard to pleas butt in too sheiks of a lam stale I was shore that this was not rite four me. The hare on my head stood up and I had quite a nasty tern when the lack of so fist decay shun in such annexe pensive product was slayed bear. The real eyes a shun that sow much cache had bean pay doubt to a choir a prod duct so pour, maid me ring my hands. Know underwear in a recession! Their is amoral two this storey as yew have know doubt already guest. Bee knot sow shore yore chequer nose it all, in spy toff what the cellars of the are tickle may have lead dew too be leave. To bee fare though, a grate deal of prays is jew two pea pole a bull to pro juice such works oh fart. Tony Stauber, Qatar, Arabian Gulf. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:16:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112410 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:16:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944300138:10:03679:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 09:35:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102523; 4 Dec 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13446 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:22:10 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13441 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:22:08 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-6-15.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.15]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 423447B025 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:20:52 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 17:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <496ab61a8cIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> References: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in > > use - perhaps there is a clash. > No problem here. Same specs. However, I got an error message after > printing, saying > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message > after printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). Clicking nine times on > Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, though. Does this > sound familiar to anyone? See 'Share FS and _SO errors' thread in comp.sys.acorn.networking It's a problem concerning Internet and Access. To avoid it, you can switch off Access configuration in the Network section or quit !Printers before using the Internet. HTH, Ian -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:17:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112415 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:17:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944303282:10:26801:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 10:28:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119008; 4 Dec 99 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA13650 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:00:35 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13645 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:00:33 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.80] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11uByL-00008U-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:59:21 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:42:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 09:40:54 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files Message-ID: <48f116b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112323@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I increasingly need to merge files > > I've thought about this before, I suppose the primitive operation I need to > supply is to copy a chapter to the clip board? > > Obviously I could let you drop one document into another or allow it in many other > ways, but building on whats there now, thats all you'd need? > > Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... > > Well, this does make me think a little harder about what I'd ideally want and how it might be achieved. One problem is that I sometimes need to insert just a couple of pages from doc to another, not a full chapter. For example, I sometimes have to produce a little booklet to send to publishers which explains the advertisement possibilities and rates for one of the academic journals we produce. In these I need to include a few sample pages or perhaps just a double-page spread from a recent issue of the journal. Our pages tend to include a range of placed objects - figures, captions, call outs etc - besides the principal frame, so using copy & paste is quite a pain. In another instance, we have produced a long document (about a thousand pages) as 15 smaller ones, but need to merge these as a single document for printing. We could do this, I guess at PS level if necessary, but this means that the slightest correction to a typo would mean redoing the whole thing. One thought I had was for a new 'View as thumbnails' function which allowed a view on screen of pages of the document. Groups of pages/chapters might be selectable from that view and then dragged and dropped into a different position in the document or into a different document. We could do with better thumbnails facilities anyway - it is an essential part of planning any magazine and it is currently quite a fiddle trying to print out thumbnails at the right scale and so that the double page spreads appear facing each other. We're almost there with 'View facing pages at 10%'. Could something be built on that? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:17:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112426 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:17:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944298269:20:03487:19; Sat, 04 Dec 99 09:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128578; 4 Dec 99 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13271 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:04 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA13266 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:37:02 GMT Received: (qmail 8073 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 08:35:52 -0000 Received: from userag78.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.132.164) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 08:35:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: Ovation Pro maillist Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 08:35:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Web button Message-ID: <496b0b873droy.matra@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box from the iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. I have tried loading Ovation Pro after Fresco is already running or even after I am already on-line. I have tried double-clicking OvnResDir in which the Homepage file appears, at various times but nothing I do seems to allow the web button to work! What is the secret? :) Is there some option I have to set somewhere, which I haven't found yet? I started with version 2.46 and have upgraded now to 2.55 on a SA RPC using RO4.02 but this was the same even with 3.70 Any ideas anyone please? TIA Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 13:17:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112431 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 13:17:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944302463:20:23291:35; Sat, 04 Dec 99 10:14:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128879; 4 Dec 99 10:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13579 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:47:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13574 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:47:25 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.183) [62.188.133.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11uBlb-0007kF-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:46:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 23:06:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > Ahm! (All old organ jokes aside)... What's an inch? 72 points. > Shouldn't we be talking about 0.3527777+mm to a point... or in a roundish > way 72 points to 25.4mm or I suppose 10mm = 28.34646 (ish) points. ;-) Probably an interesting fraction of a rod, pole, or perch too. > Sorry in my line we don't do centimetres, we find it just confuses the > customers. > Just millimetres and Metres. Ah those funny little foreign bits "must be nigh on a thousand" .. in a metre, as my father once said to a neighbour (whilst winking at me) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 16:32:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112451 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:32:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944325217:10:12468:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:33:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121379; 4 Dec 99 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14391 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14384 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11uHdc-000MeR-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:02:20 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 99 15:48:51 GMT Message-Id: <112442@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >recent issue of the journal. Our pages tend to include a range of >placed objects - figures, captions, call outs etc - besides the >principal frame, so using copy & paste is quite a pain. I suppose you can do select all, and copy everything on a page to the clip board. Everything except linked or master frames. This of course is the nub of the problem, you can't copy linked (or auto linked) frames, and if you could there would be no way of remaking the auto links when you pasted them back. >which allowed a view on screen of pages of the document. Groups >of pages/chapters might be selectable from that view and then >dragged and dropped into a different position in the document or >into a different document. This would probably be the ideal - a page palette with icons that you could drag around. Sounds vaguely like other packages have. However you'd probably be talking about a months work - a simple scheme with copying chapters would probably only take a couple of days. And with any scheme that lets you copy pages, you have the obvious limit that you can only copy pages which have the same master page so that you can remake auto links. >We could do with better thumbnails facilities anyway If you're talking about printing these, then its just a matter of writing a new imposition script. It sounds like a nice idea and not too hard. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 4 16:33:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112453 for opro ; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:33:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944324451:20:00671:24; Sat, 04 Dec 99 16:20:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000570; 4 Dec 99 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14389 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14379 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:03:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11uHdb-000MeR-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 16:02:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 99 15:44:03 GMT Message-Id: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web button X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box from the >iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up for this file i.e. Alias$@RunType_B28 which you can check with F12, *show I think this may not be the canonical way to implement this feature, but it works for me, and no one else has complained. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:50:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112476 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944329619:10:14153:17; Sat, 04 Dec 99 17:46:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103584; 4 Dec 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14756 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:16:53 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14751 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:16:51 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-92.access.ch [212.161.130.220]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA05989 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:15:32 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:04:50 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >(applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. > > I think you might look at the maillist archives. Very irritatingly > this has come up several times, but I don't recall a solution being found. > I would guess that there is something in the Applets folder inside > your copy of OPro (or inside an applet) that should not be there. > > All this 'specific' stuff is nothing to do with me. The EndNotes applet used to be one culprit. I have all the different versions of OP in a sub-directory named DTP_new. And was mightily surprised one day to find an Obey file in this directory named "Specific". Its contents are the following 3 lines: IfThere .!EndNotes.Library.zENMove Then Delete .!EndNotes.Library.zENMove IfThere .!EndNotes.Library.Join Then Delete .!EndNotes.Library.Join IfThere .!Bookmark Then Filer_Run .!Bookmark JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:51:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112491 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944407541:10:13890:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 15:25:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013871; 5 Dec 99 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17248 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:12:00 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17243 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:11:58 GMT Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FM900EEIWTEAN@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:10:26 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 16:10:51 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: what are the features of OvP demo To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <239ab36b49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all I'm currently designing a folder which i want to distribute on (among others) RISC OS platforms. I'm making it in OvP and will ditribute it in OvP also. My question now is what are the features of the OvP demo? Is there a list somewhere esp. with the differences between OvP 2.55 and the demo. I noticed there's no colour supplement in the demo. Does that mean i can't add any of the features of the colsup. into my document? I like to know if before i finish my folder, saves a lot trouble. grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112500 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:51:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944329046:20:05648:18; Sat, 04 Dec 99 17:37:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005588; 4 Dec 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14877 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:23:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14872 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:23:23 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.194) [62.188.150.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11uIso-0004YX-00; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:22:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Merging Files Message-ID: <496b373227tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <496ab8a6a2tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Dec, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I am trying to merge two OPro files. [snip] > Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL > itself? Many thanks for the responses. I should be able to manage the task using copy and paste. I suppose I was hoping to be able to make more use of DDL. It seems like a powerful facility and a really good way to provide very fine control over a document, especially when editing or trouble-shooting. I appreciate the trial and error approach, but something a little more structured would suit me better :-) Thanks again. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112502 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944431569:10:15658:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 22:06:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127934; 5 Dec 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18081 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:50:14 GMT Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18076 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:50:13 GMT Received: from net24.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.152] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1027]) by red.paston. Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 21:37:42 +0000 (GMT) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 and downloading To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <496ab4513cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB18081 Status: R On Fri 03 Dec, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > Get an undamaged copy of the archive. >=20 > I have downloaded four times now (having cleared the cache to ensure a > fresh download and each time get the same message. >=20 > Could be the quality of my out in the sticks BT line! I have at times had similar problems downloading in a rural area. I was advised by a BT engineer to contact their (BT) free help line and ask the= m to turn up the gain on your line as you are using it for your computer. BT turn down the gain on all their lines if they think you are only using= it as a voice line. It increases their profits! BT normally turn the gain up within a few minutes of your phone call! I hope it is a solution to your problem - I have not had any problems downloading since I called them! --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No:+44(0)1362 699664 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112509 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944334945:20:24206:28; Sat, 04 Dec 99 19:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123863; 4 Dec 99 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15232 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:48:44 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15227 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:48:42 GMT Received: (qmail 21287 invoked from network); 4 Dec 1999 18:47:26 -0000 Received: from userk626.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.202) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 1999 18:47:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:26:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Master pages Message-ID: <496b41a960dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <112166@pilling.demon.co.uk> <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net> <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496ad785c1steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <496a8189c4dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > Shouldn't we be talking about 0.3527777+mm to a point... or in a > > roundish way 72 points to 25.4mm or I suppose 10mm = 28.34646 (ish) > > points. ;-) > Probably an interesting fraction of a rod, pole, or perch too. > > Sorry in my line we don't do centimetres, we find it just confuses the > > customers. > > Just millimetres and Metres. > Ah those funny little foreign bits "must be nigh on a thousand" .. in a > metre, as my father once said to a neighbour (whilst winking at me) My my that brings forth a few old memories... my father (winkingly) disparaged the change to metric measurement, often citing... "An 8ft x 4ft sheet of something I can visualise, but a 2.440 x 1.220 sheet means nothing in my minds eye." It's true of course. But back to the subject in hand. Well Steven, If I remember my schoolboy measurment table correctly... :-( In todays measure, A Rod, Pole or Perch is somewhere around 5.029 Metres, so there will be 14256 points to a single Rod, Pole or Perch. And an even larger number of millipoints... ;-) Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112514 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944472282:10:26241:18; Mon, 06 Dec 99 09:24:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126087; 6 Dec 99 9:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19484 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:05:51 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19479 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:05:49 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02696 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:05:43 GMT Message-ID: <384B7D5A.45C79DC3@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:09:46 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >(applrt path)!ovation1.specific Not Found. > > I think you might look at the maillist archives. Very irritatingly > this has come up several times, but I don't recall a solution being found. > I would guess that there is something in the Applets folder inside > your copy of OPro (or inside an applet) that should not be there. > > All this 'specific' stuff is nothing to do with me. > No file calles specific found in the applets folder. New copys of Ovation1 down loded from web. No effect. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112516 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944475540:10:26620:29; Mon, 06 Dec 99 10:19:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023779; 6 Dec 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19650 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:46:24 GMT Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19645 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 09:46:22 GMT Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA24740 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:46:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:44:22 +0000 (GMT) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Merging files (through ddl) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199912051820.SAA17642@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:32:00 +0000 (GMT) > From: Mr T J Chubb > Subject: Re: Merging Files > > On 03 Dec, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > I am trying to merge two OPro files. > > [snip] > > > Is there an idiot's guide to either file merging using DDL or to DDL > > itself? > > Many thanks for the responses. I should be able to manage the task using > copy and paste. I suppose I was hoping to be able to make more use of DDL. > It seems like a powerful facility and a really good way to provide very > fine control over a document, especially when editing or trouble-shooting. > I appreciate the trial and error approach, but something a little more > structured would suit me better :-) > > Thanks again. > > Tom C > I once merged two files by editing one of the ddl's and copying it into the other in zap. All objects are numbered unique (like TEXT_115 and STORY_116) and as long there were not two the same numbers in the combined doc it worked well. Don't know if it was just luck or maybe it could work this way. write an applet to find an replace all those numbers to make them unique; maybe check for styles and if they are the same deleting one of the styles. A possible solution? Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:52:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112520 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:52:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944389113:20:13934:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 10:18:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013856; 5 Dec 99 10:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16676 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:44:07 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16671 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 09:44:05 GMT Received: (qmail 19219 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1999 09:42:40 -0000 Received: from userbf27.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.142.48) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 09:42:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:34:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Web button Message-ID: <496b4d6414roy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, > the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up > for this file i.e. > Alias$@RunType_B28 Having checked with F12 then *show there was nothing set up for filetype B28 so not being sure how to do it, I put the following line in the !Boot file of !Fresco Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run .!Run %%*0 and now if I load !OvationPro after !Fresco the button is no longer greyed out. However, if I click on it, I get an error message that I cannot run two copies of Fresco! So having deleted Fresco from the iconbar, now if I click on the web button, Fresco loads and offers me a save box with 'HomePage' in the writable icon. Obviously my line above added to the Fresco Boot file must be wrong as I assume if Fresco is running the URL in 'HomePage' should be entered into the web page URL field and called, whilst it should only run Fresco if it is not already loaded. So how do I get this effect please? Finally I note that the URL in 'HomePage' has no at the end of it. Is this correct? TIA Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:53:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112531 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:53:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944419757:20:18035:17; Sun, 05 Dec 99 18:49:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018014; 5 Dec 99 18:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17623 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:18:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17618 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:18:47 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ugDk-00006Z-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 18:17:16 +0000 Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 12:35:28 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web button Message-ID: <7060a56b49.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta2 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >>On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box >>from the iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. > >The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, >the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up >for this file i.e. > >Alias$@RunType_B28 > >which you can check with F12, *show Checking that out shows that it is starting up WebsterXL - how do I change that so it starts Browse (or uses Browse if already running)? -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:53:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112537 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:53:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944492593:10:06001:314; Mon, 06 Dec 99 15:03:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106039; 6 Dec 99 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20334 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:21:58 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20329 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:21:56 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id OAA18854; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 14:21:48 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 14:13:06 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary Message-ID: <8ea82c6c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Ernst Dinkla wrote: > David Pilling quoted: > > > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > > >dictionaries on your web site. > > > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a > > >point on the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the > > >!HyphDict. For normal use you have to remove the point. > > > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of > > >words of the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required > > >by the Dutch and Belgian government. > > I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > of this message. > > Ernst How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112543 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944436594:20:20236:41; Sun, 05 Dec 99 23:29:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020118; 5 Dec 99 23:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18291 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:02:40 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18286 for ; Sun, 5 Dec 1999 23:02:38 GMT Received: (qmail 15539 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1999 23:01:03 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 23:01:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 10292 invoked from network); 5 Dec 1999 22:38:54 -0000 Received: from a008-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.8) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 5 Dec 1999 22:38:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:53:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Merging Files To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <48f116b49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 04 Dec, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >I increasingly need to merge files > > > > I've thought about this before, I suppose the primitive operation I need to > > supply is to copy a chapter to the clip board? > > > > Obviously I could let you drop one document into another or allow it in many other > > ways, but building on whats there now, thats all you'd need? > > > > Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... > > Same as selecting a chapter for Save chapter as DDL? I found today this works for transferring the text from one document to another - standard RiscOS behaviour of a document accepting the result of a save from another. > > > Well, this does make me think a little harder about what I'd > ideally want and how it might be achieved. > > One problem is that I sometimes need to insert just a couple of > pages from doc to another, not a full chapter. For example, I > sometimes have to produce a little booklet to send to publishers > which explains the advertisement possibilities and rates for one > of the academic journals we produce. In these I need to include > a few sample pages or perhaps just a double-page spread from a > recent issue of the journal. Our pages tend to include a range of > placed objects - figures, captions, call outs etc - besides the > principal frame, so using copy & paste is quite a pain. > My use of DDL mentioned above is no good in this situation. For this use I would consider making an EPS of the page and placing that (is that feature released yet?), assuming you are using PostScript for final output. On another platform I used to do this quite a lot when laying out a newsletter and had to include what had originally been A4 posters as adverts within the page, or even 4 to a page. It doesn't matter too much if there's no preview in the EPS file as you just want to reproduce an existing layout and don't need to relate much, if any, of the current document to it. This sometimes ended up with multiple levels of embedded EPSes if there were logos on the original page. > In another instance, we have produced a long document (about a > thousand pages) as 15 smaller ones, but need to merge these as a > single document for printing. We could do this, I guess at PS > level if necessary, but this means that the slightest correction > to a typo would mean redoing the whole thing. > How about an option to chain a number of documents together at print time, with a pre-pass to renumber pages and add a to the end of a chapter if necessary to keep the next chapter start on the correct side - it is a pain to have to manually check. This is how Pagemaker used to work (version 5 and I think 6 and 6.5 but I haven't used it for over 2 years). There was a feature to set up a book from one chapter by associating other files as the rest of the book. Printing from the controlling chapter could either be that chapter only (as if it were a stand-alone document), or the whole book. Once you have a multi-file book someone will need to be able to generate contents and index from the whole set (perhaps the index becoming another linked chapter/document). > One thought I had was for a new 'View as thumbnails' function > which allowed a view on screen of pages of the document. Groups > of pages/chapters might be selectable from that view and then > dragged and dropped into a different position in the document or > into a different document. We could do with better thumbnails > facilities anyway - it is an essential part of planning any > magazine and it is currently quite a fiddle trying to print out > thumbnails at the right scale and so that the double page spreads > appear facing each other. > > We're almost there with 'View facing pages at 10%'. Could > something be built on that? > > David > Again referring back to my experience with PageMaker - I liked its thumbnails when printing postscript (don't think it was available for non-postscript, at least in its first implementation). The pages were facing pairs correctly with a frame round each page and a drop shadow to the outside of each page. When choosing to print thumbnails you chose how many per sheet, I found eight portrait pages per landscape sheet usefull, or even 16 per portrait sheet. Sorry to bang on about PM, I used it in 3 versions for 9 years but still chose Ovation then Opro for home. I commented on the PM mailing list at the time how easy OPro's pamphlet printing is - PM didn't have it at all up to and including v5 (I never got to use 6 or later). I would welcome seeing other people's comments, and I expect David Pilling would appreciate a lively discussion before deciding whether or how to program these features. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112545 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944463941:20:11179:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 07:05:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011165; 6 Dec 99 7:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19191 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:35:31 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA19186 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 06:35:28 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA27785 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 07:35:24 +0100 Message-Id: <199912060635.HAA27785@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 04 Dec 1999 11:43:46 GMT Subject: Re: Images MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 944462066 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: > > > >>It would be interesting if there was an applet called >>David Pilling's scanning software...? Can that be done? > >What create an applet with the same name as a well known application >and thus cause confusion? Yep I think we can do that 8-) > >There's always been the thought that David Pilling's scanning software has facilities >(like loading foreign file formats) which OPro lacks. >It would be easy to link the code in, but of course it would make OPro >a lot bigger, and I've never been able to settle on a protocol for >linking the two. > >Presumeably though for bit map editing, OLE is all you need. > Why not PCA ? It was, erm, a nice proposal, was it ? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112549 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944476813:20:09576:28; Mon, 06 Dec 99 10:40:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009364; 6 Dec 99 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19766 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:24:14 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19760 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:24:09 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA28307 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:24:00 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 06 Dec 1999 10:23:49 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:23:49 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6B4@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Problem printing pictures Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 10:23:47 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, Following my posting last week about the !Contents applet I have spent the weekend trying to find out what the problem is. First it is not to !Contents applet although the !Help file is one of some which I cannot print reliably every time. If I try to print it the printing stops with an error message (in an only half drawn box) when I get to the third page - the first with a picture. Internal error no stack for trap handler Data abort:pc=000F3D4C registers at 0012A5EC (print cancelled) (I always get the same message) Alt+Break allows me to quit OvnPro. Saving as DDL overcomes this problem and it prints OK. Trying to print the original file (not resaved) then usually works OK now. Try saving a sprite (screengrab) into a document always prints OK even after a restart. Help files for !Version does not print (again with picture.) Reloaded Ovn Pro (2.55) and also !printers (I'm using Turbo drivers) - Ensured prescan is selected. Removed most of the unused applets - I think it crashed even with them all removed. This might not be a new problem as I cannot identify what it is that causes the problem. May have been there since I upgraded to OS4.02. I don't think it is anything to do with !Transloaders but I did remember that I had not put the updated versions in the startup sequence - have now - made no difference. Any thoughts? Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 16:55:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112553 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 16:55:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944483610:20:26567:65; Mon, 06 Dec 99 12:33:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026260; 6 Dec 99 12:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20080 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:14:31 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20075 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:14:29 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-71.access.ch [212.161.129.71]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12378 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 13:14:12 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:53:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Web button To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <112440@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 12:47:53 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Web button To: OVATIONP-L On Sat 04 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >On any version since it appeared, the web button in the Info box from the > >iconbar icon on my computer, resolutely stays greyed out. > > The way this works is by running the HomePage file inside OPro, > the button will be greyed out unless there is a run type set up > for this file i.e. > > Alias$@RunType_B28 > > which you can check with F12, *show The last 2 lines of the !Boot file of Ant's InetSuite read as follows: Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run Inet:Bin.URL %%*0 Set File$Type_B28 URL To which OPro reacts as well. So probably inserting this text in some or other !Boot file (OPro, Browser !Boot file) should work. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 19:36:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112625 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:36:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944507165:20:00403:28; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:06:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000606; 6 Dec 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20991 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20986 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v35f-000GMc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 18:28:28 GMT Message-Id: <112587@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm making it in OvP and will ditribute it in OvP also. My question now is >what are the features of the OvP demo? Is there a list somewhere esp. with >the differences between OvP 2.55 and the demo. I noticed there's no colour >supplement in the demo. Does that mean i can't add any of the features of the >colsup. into my document? The demo is 2.49, it does everything the real 2.49 does except save. You can install the colour supplement in it (or any other applet). I am about to bring the demo version up to date with the latest version. Maybe I should include the colour supplement applet... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 19:36:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112629 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944508883:20:11641:26; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:34:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116077; 6 Dec 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21264 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:18:01 GMT Received: from virtual1.giganet.nl (tarantula.giganet.nl [212.125.143.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21259 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:17:56 GMT Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by virtual1.giganet.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.10) with ESMTP id UAA19522 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:17:45 +0100 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id UAA26606 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:17:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 20:17:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8ea82c6c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 Dec, F.R. Polak wrote: > In message > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > > David Pilling quoted: > > > > > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > > > >dictionaries on your web site. > > > > > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > > > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > > > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > > > > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a > > > >point on the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the > > > >!HyphDict. For normal use you have to remove the point. > > > > > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of > > > >words of the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required > > > >by the Dutch and Belgian government. > > > > I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be > > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > > of this message. > > > > Ernst > > How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while > the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. > > Any help is appreciated. It isn't difficult. You have to remove the points in the words of the list. You can do this with !Edit (Find/replace). Load OvationPro. Open the dictionary (Misc/Spellcheck/Dictionary), and create a Dutch dictionary for instance Nederlands. Then open the dictionary with the edit button. Now you have opened your (empty) Dutch dictionary. Drop the file with the dutch words into this window. Wait probably a minute of two and you will see your new dutch dictionary appear. Don't forget to close the window with OK in the edit and in the load/edit/create window. If you don't do this the file will not be saved. succes, Dick -- D.Wolters, Maastricht e-mail: woltersd@cuci.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 19:36:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112630 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:36:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944508885:20:11766:26; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:34:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011779; 6 Dec 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21122 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21116 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:12 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3SH-0002lE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:05:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 17:08:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3843F94A.8476CD19@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Jochen Konietzko schreef: > Ernst Dinkla schrieb: > > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > > of this message. > I suppose you would have to talk CC into doing it for you (do you believe in > miracles?), because the Impression user dictionaries can be only 8 kB in size. Of course I do not believe in CC miracles, lost that believe when I send some snailmail comments on Impression and ArtWorks bugs six or seven years ago. I was thinking of a nice hack by someone. It is a pity that Guttorm decided to use the Impression dictionaries. No chance they will ever be upgraded. maybe not that important for English but for Dutch and German it is. Is there another way to get spelling control in StrongEd? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:56:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112642 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511319:20:13868:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:15:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107919; 6 Dec 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21571 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z6-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:27:31 GMT Message-Id: <112620@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Images X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Presumeably though for bit map editing, OLE is all you need. >Why not PCA ? It was, erm, a nice proposal, was it ? Because David Pilling's scanning software does not hold sprites internally in the RISC OS format (because it supports virtual memory) The idea of PCA is that you edit data in another programs workspace. But if OPro has a sprite in it, to David Pilling's scanning software that data makes no sense. I believe PCA is still alive - PCA2 and the new Compo suports it and Rob Davidson has done lots of new things for it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:56:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112643 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:56:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511320:20:13927:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:15:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013831; 6 Dec 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21558 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21550 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z1-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:39 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:14:48 GMT Message-Id: <112612@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No file called specific found in the applets folder. New copys >of Ovation1 down loded from web. No effect. Its more a case of if there is any file which contains a mention of 'specific' in there. Using a file contents finder like Acorns !Find would be a good test. Same thing on the main !OvnPro.Library folder. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112645 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944510330:10:12961:113; Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:58:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012420; 6 Dec 99 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21115 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21110 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:06:09 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3SI-0002lE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:05:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 16:53:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <8ea82c6c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 06 Dec, F.R. Polak wrote: > How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while > the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. Het staat prachtig beschreven in het Ovation handboek op blz. 173 t/m 175. En specifiek op blz. 175. Maak in ieder geval van de bestanden tekstbestanden voor ze in het menu geplaatst worden. The creation of new dictionaries is described in the manual. I can choose between the English dictionary and the Dutch I made from the files on the quoted site. For hyphenation I did remove the original English version and replaced it with the Dutch version as that one should be used more often. To be honest I don't know whether it actually works. Is it possible to have two Hyph. versions and select one at a time? A naive question. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112649 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511381:20:15161:21; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:16:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015019; 6 Dec 99 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21584 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21562 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:53 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z4-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:21:35 GMT Message-Id: <112616@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while >the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. If you open the edit window on (e.g. a new) dictionary, then you can drop plain text files into it, and the words will be added. The text file should contain one word per line. Similarly menuing over the window will open a save box allowing you to save a dictionary as a text file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112651 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511405:10:29862:171; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:16:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1004323; 6 Dec 99 19:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20985 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20980 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:41 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v35e-000GMc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:42:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 18:22:50 GMT Message-Id: <112585@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 and downloading X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Could be the quality of my out in the sticks BT line! >I have at times had similar problems downloading in a rural area. I was >advised by a BT engineer to contact their (BT) free help line and ask them >to turn up the gain on your line as you are using it for your computer. Certainly getting BT to turn up the gain can work wonders for modem reliability. But, these days all modem links are error corrected, on top of which the internet protocol that shifts the data is error corrected too. One big problem is truncation - where the file you download is too short, but you can probably spot this by looking at the archive file length. If you actually have a corrupt file, its hard to explain. Problems with your software or hardware seem more likely than the one in a billion line noise glitch that will get past the modems error checking. Everyone agrees that the future is software distribution over the 'net - spot the flaw in that argument... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112653 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944511462:10:10739:356; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:17:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006300; 6 Dec 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21699 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21694 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v43f-000PEf-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:44:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:39:24 GMT Message-Id: <112634@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Of course I do not believe in CC miracles, lost that believe when I >send some snailmail comments on Impression and ArtWorks bugs six or >seven years ago. I was thinking of a nice hack by someone. Yes should not be too hard, it consists of the dictionary data glued onto a module. So all you'd have to do is work out the data format and make a program to produce it. Its all a bit reminiscent of my MicroSpell module (on the web site), which will give you check as you type in any program (probably not what you want). (and the programs for gluing new words to the module exist). The CC thing goes back to BBC days, massive 128K ROM, I wonder if anyone hacked the format back then. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 20:57:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112660 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:57:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944513787:10:20909:47; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:56:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128970; 6 Dec 99 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21572 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21555 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z2-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:18:02 GMT Message-Id: <112614@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Web button X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In my (ANT) !Internet, the !Boot file has Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run Inet:Bin.URL %%*0 Set File$Type_B28 URL So its that which sets it not Fresco. I assume the current URL file is OK, because it works. The usual thing is that an application when running will pick up a filer run of one of its file types, if it doesn't (i.e. because it is not running) then the runtype action gets executed (normally running the program). Because things work this way you don't get multiple copies of things on the icon bar. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 21:25:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112669 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 21:25:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944513912:20:16353:17; Mon, 06 Dec 99 20:58:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102555; 6 Dec 99 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21598 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21577 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z7-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:32:19 GMT Message-Id: <112622@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem printing pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Reloaded Ovn Pro (2.55) and also !printers (I'm using Turbo drivers) - >Ensured prescan is selected. Removed most of the unused applets - I think it >crashed even with them all removed. Simplifying the system is a good idea. It can be due to a corrupt document, or a corrupt sprite (or one that is in a screen mode that is not supported). I'd be inclined to see if things crash printing to a non-Turbo driver (easy enough to install any old driver and print to file). Transloaders only come into play at the instant a file is loaded. They should have nothing to do with printing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 21:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112673 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 21:25:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944514865:20:08101:27; Mon, 06 Dec 99 21:14:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007826; 6 Dec 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21594 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:40:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21566 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:55 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v3z5-0002fZ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 19:39:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 19:24:13 GMT Message-Id: <112618@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging Files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>> Only problem with that then is how do you select a chapter for copying... >Same as selecting a chapter for Save chapter as DDL? Yes, ideally you should be able to select and save anything as DDL, and it should work. It does almost already. >For this use I would consider making an EPS of the page and placing that (is >that feature released yet?), assuming you are using PostScript for final >output. Yes EPS is here - 2.55 + EPS applet. >How about an option to chain a number of documents together at print time, >with a pre-pass to renumber pages and add a to the end of a chapter if >necessary to keep the next chapter start on the correct side - it is a pain >Once you have a multi-file book someone will need to be able to generate >contents and index from the whole set (perhaps the index becoming another >linked chapter/document). Yeah all holy grail stuff. I would like to do this and can see the need. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 6 22:53:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112694 for opro ; Mon, 06 Dec 99 22:53:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944519595:10:11179:20; Mon, 06 Dec 99 22:33:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108445; 6 Dec 99 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22700 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:15:29 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22695 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:15:27 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d7-s6-7-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.224.7]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 22:05:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <112587@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 06 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I'm making it in OvP and will ditribute it in OvP also. My question now is > >what are the features of the OvP demo? Is there a list somewhere esp. with > >the differences between OvP 2.55 and the demo. I noticed there's no colour > >supplement in the demo. Does that mean i can't add any of the features of the > >colsup. into my document? > > The demo is 2.49, it does everything the real 2.49 does except save. > You can install the colour supplement in it (or any other applet). > > I am about to bring the demo version up to date with the latest version. > Maybe I should include the colour supplement applet... > > Does it print then? I also have the problem of circulating documents. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 00:17:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112720 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 00:17:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944523336:10:13524:16; Mon, 06 Dec 99 23:35:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109237; 6 Dec 99 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23021 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:20:18 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23016 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:20:17 GMT Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FMC00G43E5FYV@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 00:20:04 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 00:20:32 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <3945646c49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Mon 06 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > The demo is 2.49, it does everything the real 2.49 does except save. > > You can install the colour supplement in it (or any other applet). > > > > I am about to bring the demo version up to date with the latest version. > > Maybe I should include the colour supplement applet... > > > > > Does it print then? I also have the problem of circulating documents. > I haven't try it for real, but when i printed an epty document to a posctript file, it didn't complain, so i do think so grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 00:18:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112721 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 00:17:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944523580:10:18897:20; Mon, 06 Dec 99 23:39:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018716; 6 Dec 99 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA22990 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:10:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22985 for ; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:10:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11v7Gn-000BuG-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Dec 1999 23:10:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Dec 99 22:55:44 GMT Message-Id: <112703@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: what are the features of OvP demo Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Hi, Yes the demo version prints. It does *everything* except allow you to save documents. So if you have one of these 'five nines' machines you can use it for free ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112738 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944539307:20:04204:21; Tue, 07 Dec 99 04:01:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003993; 7 Dec 99 4:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23635 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23628 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vB8r-000Bwf-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 02:49:02 GMT Message-Id: <112734@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Some comments about 2.56. First thanks to Nick Kaijaks for improving the NewFuncs file. The Fill applet was something I devised on my own in August 1996. However neither myself nor Beebug could work out how to complete the user interface. Several times the idea of "finishing it in time for the show" came up... My aim now is to produce a version with dedicated PostScript support for graduated fills. This seems to be the thing to do, although the current system for rendering them may not do too much harm. It should only mean a new version of the fill applet. After that I want to implement some of the ideas which have been suggested here in recent weeks - auto save, borders etc. This marks the completion of the plan I put forward in July after the take over from Beebug. Taking another peek at the future, I expect to move on to improving the the text side of the program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112739 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944538935:10:10975:19; Tue, 07 Dec 99 03:55:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104491; 7 Dec 99 3:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23632 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23623 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vB8p-000Bwf-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:15 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 02:49:00 GMT Message-Id: <112732@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.56 released... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. Improvements include; * Better hyphenation * Many bug fixes However the main event is that you can use the new Fill applet with it. The Fill applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. It provides pattern, hatched and graduated fills. Currently it lacks dedicated PostScript output for graduated fills, which means whilst it is suitable for desktop printer use (including PS printers), it may not be for professional printing. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Thanks to everyone who read the !!ReadMe instructions file with the last upgrade. Things went much more smoothly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112742 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944539037:10:12993:17; Tue, 07 Dec 99 03:57:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012419; 7 Dec 99 3:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA23621 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:31 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23616 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vB8o-000Bwf-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 03:18:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 02:48:57 GMT Message-Id: <112730@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Macros articles now on web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have added an archive to the resource file section of the OvationPro web site which contains two articles written by John Pettigrew published in the February and March 1999 editions of Acorn User, on how to write macros. The author and Steve Turnbull (editor of Acorn User) have kindly allowed me to reproduce these articles. This is the URL http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/filelib/files/auart.zip If anyone knows of any other material about OPro that I should try to cadge, let me know. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:23:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112746 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:23:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944573875:20:09792:62; Tue, 07 Dec 99 13:37:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112914; 7 Dec 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA25174 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:08:35 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA25169 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:08:34 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.23]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4A80 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:07:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:07:26 +0100 Subject: OvationPro 2.56 Message-ID: <496caff997delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Again very, VERY impressed by this update. Especially the stunning fill applet! Thanks a lot, again! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:24:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112748 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:24:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944575603:20:13153:50; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:06:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014803; 7 Dec 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25103 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:59:14 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25098 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:59:12 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26533 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:58:51 GMT Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:59:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Fill Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Very impressed! I did cause a Type 2, however. I was exploring the new applet as usual by playing with it at random. I got a reproducible type 2 when changing first 'angle' to 90 deg and then 'skew' to 90 deg. This was proabably silly - I was just trying to find out what they did by altering the values. The rest of the dialogue was set to 'graduated' and 'linear' and I can't remember what the other settings were. Alf Chamings -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:25:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112752 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:25:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944560463:10:07495:91; Tue, 07 Dec 99 09:54:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012403; 7 Dec 99 9:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24390 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:10:01 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24383 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:09:59 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22345 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 09:09:40 GMT Message-ID: <384CCFE4.22CB3BD@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:14:12 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112612@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Removing ALL applets has stoped this message. I am now installing them one at a time untill I get the error. PS where can I get !Find (and !Zap as well) from? David Pilling wrote: > > >No file called specific found in the applets folder. New copys > >of Ovation1 down loded from web. No effect. > > Its more a case of if there is any file which contains a mention of > 'specific' in there. Using a file contents finder like Acorns !Find > would be a good test. > > Same thing on the main !OvnPro.Library folder. > > David Pilling -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:25:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112757 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:25:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944572884:10:15163:71; Tue, 07 Dec 99 13:21:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105081; 7 Dec 99 12:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24859 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:56:57 GMT Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24854 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:56:56 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id MAA14552; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:56:36 +0100 (CET) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:47:34 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Dick Wolters wrote: > In on Mon 06 Dec, F.R. Polak wrote: > > In message > > Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > > > > David Pilling quoted: > > > > > > > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > > > > >dictionaries on your web site. > > > > > > > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > > > > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > > > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > > > > > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > > > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > > > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > > > > > > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a > > > > >point on the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the > > > > >!HyphDict. For normal use you have to remove the point. > > > > > > > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of > > > > >words of the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required > > > > >by the Dutch and Belgian government. > > > > > > I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be > > > possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do > > > use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date > > > spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character > > > of this message. > > > > > > Ernst > > > > How dou you use this file in Ovation Pro? It is a plain text file, while > > the dictionary files in Ovation are binary files. > > > > Any help is appreciated. > > It isn't difficult. You have to remove the points in the words of the list. > You can do this with !Edit (Find/replace). > > Load OvationPro. Open the dictionary (Misc/Spellcheck/Dictionary), and > create a Dutch dictionary for instance Nederlands. Then open the dictionary > with the edit button. > Now you have opened your (empty) Dutch dictionary. > Drop the file with the dutch words into this window. Wait probably a minute > of two and you will see your new dutch dictionary appear. Don't forget to > close the window with OK in the edit and in the load/edit/create window. If > you don't do this the file will not be saved. > > succes, > > Dick > I want to thank all of you and especially Dick Wolters for their help! It seems all so easy now. I should have read the manual better I think ;-) Regards, Frits -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 14:25:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112758 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:25:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944573006:10:12718:1039; Tue, 07 Dec 99 13:23:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106021; 7 Dec 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA25019 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:43:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25014 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:43:26 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vJxN-0007Qu-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:43:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:44:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that print margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view menu. Interesting! I have just checked with my older versions( 2.52. 2.55) and they don't work with either of these. Perhaps they have not worked since I upgraded to 4.02. Not desperate, but I would like them back sometime. Ian -- ____ __ _ _ __ _____ _ _ ____ _ _ (_ _) /__\ ( \( ) ( ) ( _ )( \/\/ )( _ \( \/ ) _)(_ /(__)\ ) ( )(__ )(_)( ) ( ) / \ / (____)(__)(__)(_)\_) (____)(_____)(__/\__)(_)\_) (__) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112771 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944579750:10:24723:929; Tue, 07 Dec 99 15:15:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006548; 7 Dec 99 15:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25521 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:19:04 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25516 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:19:02 GMT Received: from modem-111.kole-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.36.111] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11vLRw-00014p-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:18:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 14:17:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cb662feBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> References: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > Hi > Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that print > margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view menu. [Snip] Print margins are shown here in 2.56 (RO 4.02). -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112772 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944583626:10:08126:380; Tue, 07 Dec 99 16:20:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1113585; 7 Dec 99 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25687 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:48 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vM6H-0008wJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:00:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:32:45 GMT Message-Id: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Print margins work for me... They only work if you have a printer driver loaded though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112773 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944585960:10:14728:133; Tue, 07 Dec 99 16:59:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011255; 7 Dec 99 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26079 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:19:15 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26072 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 16:19:13 GMT Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.210.51]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAABE6 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:18:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:20:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: Output to printer gone wrong. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Using a HP Deskjet 520 with OP(2.55) running on an SA RiscOsPC with a turbo print driver or an HP driver I had a spot of trouble with !Contents not working on some files. Since the things got progressively worse. OP, when asked to print out any file, rips of a line of number and symbols, ejects the sheet and give the next sheet the same treatment. The compupter then gets stuck when I switch off the printer. The printer respods normally to the self-test. I've checked the connections. Tried other printer drivers. It does print to file, however. As I use the set up quite a lot, I should be very grateful for any suggestions. MTIA, Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:13:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112780 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944583391:20:14157:28; Tue, 07 Dec 99 16:16:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111792; 7 Dec 99 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25887 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:34:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25882 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:34:55 GMT Received: from foursqre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.130] helo=RiscPC01) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vMdI-000CbY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 15:34:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:28:18 +0000 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: References: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Ian Lowry wrote: > Hi > Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that print > margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view menu. > > Interesting! I have just checked with my older versions( 2.52. 2.55) and > they don't work with either of these. Perhaps they have not worked since I > upgraded to 4.02. I haven't fetched 2.56 yet, but the print margins display okay in 2.55. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 989 0929 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:14:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112784 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:13:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944588187:20:13218:22; Tue, 07 Dec 99 17:36:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106280; 7 Dec 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA26277 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:04:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26272 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:04:17 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vO1h-000P5j-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 17:03:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 17:05:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cc5c8ecian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > Print margins work for me... They only work if you have > a printer driver loaded though. > David Pilling Thanks David - spot on! I have recently stopped loading printers until required due to an overlong Iconbar. Sorry about the unnecessary post and thanks again for upgrade and the fun fills. Now I must devise some excuse to use them. Regards, Ian -- ____ __ _ _ __ _____ _ _ ____ _ _ (_ _) /__\ ( \( ) ( ) ( _ )( \/\/ )( _ \( \/ ) _)(_ /(__)\ ) ( )(__ )(_)( ) ( ) / \ / (____)(__)(__)(_)\_) (____)(_____)(__/\__)(_)\_) (__) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 19:36:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112796 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:36:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944594343:20:14905:19; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116600; 7 Dec 99 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26652 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26647 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:56 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.201) [193.149.80.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vPrf-0004JN-00; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:01:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:57:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I have finally taken the plunge and upgraded OP from v2.46 which I've used for several years without problem. Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an applet called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version of OP doesn't seem to know about. As I upgraded from v2.46 to v2.51 then to v2.52 and finally to v2.56, I don't know which of the upgrades causes the problem though I suppose if desperate I could try working backwards. Has anyone spotted this problem? Fortunately I have kept a copy of v2.46 so if I actually need to write in a different script like Russian I am not actually stuck! But does anyone have any ideas? Of course I suppose I may have done something wrong though I think I followed the instructions correctly. -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 20:08:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112809 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:08:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944596070:20:26183:16; Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026144; 7 Dec 99 19:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26707 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:15:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26702 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:14:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vQ4J-000HYN-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:14:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 14:59:51 GMT Message-Id: <112769@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >PS where can I get !Find (and !Zap as well) from? Find is part of Acorns C package, however there are plenty of PD equivalents, see HENSA, etc. Zap is in most PD collections, but http://www.zap.uk.eu.org seems to be the home site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 20:17:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112810 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:17:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944597481:20:03269:17; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:11:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104512; 7 Dec 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26843 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:42:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26838 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:42:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vQUR-0009bB-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:41:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 99 19:38:30 GMT Message-Id: <112798@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an applet >called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to >be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version >of OP doesn't seem to know about. A guess... His applets have to be installed, because they insert a library script, you can't just copy the applets from and old copy of the program to a new one, you've gotta run the installer on the new program. Other tip would be to get the latest version of Russian or whatever. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 21:39:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112820 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 21:39:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944599245:10:15741:48; Tue, 07 Dec 99 20:40:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022484; 7 Dec 99 19:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26737 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:20:04 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26732 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:20:02 GMT Received: from modem-82.oxygen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.210] helo=gwen) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11vQ9C-0003nl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 07 Dec 1999 19:19:38 +0000 From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 19:21:26 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rodger Davis wrote: > Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an applet > called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to > be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version > of OP doesn't seem to know about. That'll be in the !RJETLib file which you'll find in your 2.46 version's !OvnPro.Library folder. Copy across that file, and any other files in the Library folder that aren't in your new version, and all should work again. As you'll have discovered, the upgrade process won't copy across any extra files that you added. This isn't too bad if you're just copying applets, but it can be easy to forget about other files, such as these which are added implicitly by running an applet installer program. HTH, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 7 21:40:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112824 for opro ; Tue, 07 Dec 99 21:40:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944601284:20:15896:18; Tue, 07 Dec 99 21:14:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015083; 7 Dec 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27346 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27341 for ; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:29 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.194) [62.188.150.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vRgP-0000TL-00; Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R O Davis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:28:05 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: RE: OvationPro 2.56 and applet Russian Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 7 Dec 1999 (19:21:26), nick.kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk wrote: >Rodger Davis wrote: > >> Everything seems OK (so far) except but I find a problem with an >applet called !Russian which is by R.J.E Thompson. The problem seems to >> be that the applet makes a call get_style which the new version >> of OP doesn't seem to know about. > >That'll be in the !RJETLib file which you'll find in your 2.46 >version's !OvnPro.Library folder. Copy across that file, and any other >files in the Library folder that aren't in your new version, and all >should work again. > >As you'll have discovered, the upgrade process won't copy across any >extra files that you added. This isn't too bad if you're just copying >applets, but it can be easy to forget about other files, such as these >which are added implicitly by running an applet installer program. >Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print >http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ >mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor Yes! Thanks... I looked to see if anything didn't get copied but obviously and stupidly I didn't spot this file even though it is clearly identified by its name! Thanks also to David Pilling whose suggestion would also have worked of course. Astounding! I only sent my query about 6 o'clock and I have the answer after only two hours! Thanks again... (perhaps I'd better actually try writing something in Russian now!) -- /\ _ \ |==============| / / / \__\ |===================| | Rodger Davis | /_/ / / / \ | rod@argonet.co.uk | |==============| / \_/\_/ /___) |===================| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 01:24:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112853 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:24:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944613503:20:06365:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 00:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124840; 8 Dec 99 0:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27812 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:20:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27807 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:20:57 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vUqM-000LuD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:20:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:41:57 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet Message-ID: <8c96d96c49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Alf Chamings wrote: > Very impressed! > > I did cause a Type 2, however. I was exploring the new applet as usual by > playing with it at random. I got a reproducible type 2 when changing first > 'angle' to 90 deg and then 'skew' to 90 deg. This was proabably silly - I was > just trying to find out what they did by altering the values. The rest of the > dialogue was set to 'graduated' and 'linear' and I can't remember what the > other settings were. I can reproduce this using the fill gadget. Also the help message for the fill tool is out of sequence (operates on the grabber tool above). Ah, the grabber tool is another applet. Ok, well it happens with both running. No big deal. I'll add my compliments. Amazing. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 01:25:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112854 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:24:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944613581:20:09022:22; Wed, 08 Dec 99 00:39:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126026; 8 Dec 99 0:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27744 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:10:41 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27739 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:10:39 GMT Received: (qmail 1013 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1999 00:10:12 -0000 Received: from user1213.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.213) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 1999 00:10:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 13:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Message-ID: <496cb077d5ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> References: <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496cadeb51ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > Hi Just upgraded to 2.56 - went smoothly. However I have noticed that > print margins are no longer shown, although they are ticked in the view > menu. > Interesting! I have just checked with my older versions( 2.52. 2.55) > and they don't work with either of these. Perhaps they have not worked > since I upgraded to 4.02. I haven't upgraded to to.56 yet, but the print margins work finer here with 2.55 and RO 4.02. I have a Kyocera running PS via the Acorn !Printers 1.62 I just checked, and Arcfax and my ESC 740 print margins work OK as well. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 01:25:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112855 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:25:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944613812:20:16765:25; Wed, 08 Dec 99 00:43:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129762; 8 Dec 99 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27788 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:15:41 GMT Received: from cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.176]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27783 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:15:39 GMT Received: from modem-119.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.119] helo=orchard-way) by cmailg6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.11 #1) id 11vUlE-0002n7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 00:15:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 23:46:08 GMT From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <0073ea6c49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro Spell checker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I don't know whether it's something to do with me, but I'm getting a touch irritated with the spell checker. It has entries for dont, wont, didnt, etc, but it objects to them with apostrophies in. (I'm using smart quotes). Is there something I can do to change this? Also it doesn't seem able to handle plurals well, or it might just be for words in the user dictionary. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:05:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112875 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:05:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944624227:10:18627:18; Wed, 08 Dec 99 03:37:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101951; 8 Dec 99 3:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28426 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28417 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vXee-00047F-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:20:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:46:30 GMT Message-Id: <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Spell checker X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't know whether it's something to do with me, but I'm getting a touch >irritated with the spell checker. It has entries for dont, wont, didnt, etc, The OPro one doesn't. You must be using some other alien dictionary. >but it objects to them with apostrophies in. (I'm using smart quotes). The Opro one has don't etc. in, and the program is smart enough to match smart or normal quotes >Is there something I can do to change this? Add the missing words to the dictionary or have both your current dictionary and the OPro one loaded. >Also it doesn't seem able to handle plurals well, or it might just be for >words in the user dictionary. It expects all versons of a word to be in the dictionary awk awks awking etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:05:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112876 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:05:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944624961:20:09685:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 03:49:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121106; 8 Dec 99 3:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA28429 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28422 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:21:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vXef-00047F-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 03:20:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 01:46:38 GMT Message-Id: <112868@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I did cause a Type 2, however. I was exploring the new applet as usual by >> 'angle' to 90 deg and then 'skew' to 90 deg. This was proabably silly - I was >I can reproduce this using the fill gadget. Didn't your mother tell you to keep away from singularities. I have fixed this. >Also the help message for the fill tool is out of sequence Thanks, thats wrong too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:06:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112882 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:06:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944651294:20:11899:21; Wed, 08 Dec 99 11:08:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011547; 8 Dec 99 11:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA29226 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:38:10 GMT Received: from alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.254.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29221 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:38:08 GMT Received: from au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk [148.197.251.169]) by alpha5.iso.port.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA26796 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:37:36 GMT Received: from AU04/SpoolDir by au04.nwservers.iso.port.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 8 Dec 99 10:38:05 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by AU04 (Mercury 1.44); 8 Dec 99 10:38:05 GMT From: "David Briggs" Organization: University of Portsmouth To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 10:38:04 GMT0BST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fill Applet In-reply-to: <8c96d96c49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: Message-ID: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 20:41:57 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet Reply-to: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Upgraded my OP 2.55 to 2.56 last night with no problems. The fill applet is seriously impressive. I only played with it for a short while but I got some amazing metallic effects with the graduated linear & radial fill routines. Will experiment some more tonight. Although it has already been mentioned here I did come across the bug when entering 90deg into the skew box. But I have just seen a post from DP which mentions that this has now been fixed. Congratulations David. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message David Briggs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 13:06:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112886 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 13:06:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944653857:20:06284:21; Wed, 08 Dec 99 11:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006204; 8 Dec 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29450 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:22 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29445 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:33:20 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05375 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:32:46 GMT Message-ID: <384E430C.F35DFF93@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 11:37:48 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112278@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Which Sprites22 file there are several inside OV pro. Also when I shift click on them they just lode masses of symblols into edit. I can not see any ref in them to tile_1 sprite. Also now I am getting a new error from MergLib "double deffination at line 1". David Pilling wrote: > > Remove some applets. Remove the tile_1 sprite from the Sprites22 file. > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 15:05:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112900 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 15:05:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944662636:20:27632:20; Wed, 08 Dec 99 14:17:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105755; 8 Dec 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29807 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:46:22 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29802 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:46:08 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12077 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12062 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:45:13 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3186@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:45:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, fills look like a really nice improvement.. NB I think you published the !Fill applet at http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/fill.zip but didn't update the list of new releases at http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/new/index.html (of course publicising this is difficult since the applet relies on a sortof beta-release version of the main program, but I read the 'new' list and thought !Fill wasn't there.) PS I suppose people realise that they needn't activate more applets than they need, and to do so will have memory or boot-time penalties? It might be useful to state in the readme's/release notes which (if any) applets are essential for most/all scenarios and why? (Also to state that you are not directly responsible for third-party applets of course) thanks again for excellent work. And in all this the program *still* retains a coherence and elegance, I think! Christopher I Howe Bath UK > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 07 December 1999 02:49 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: OvationPro 2.56 > > > Hi, > > Some comments about 2.56. > > First thanks to Nick Kaijaks for improving the NewFuncs file. > > The Fill applet was something I devised on my own in August 1996. However > neither myself nor Beebug could work out how to complete the user > interface. > Several times the idea of "finishing it in time for the show" came up... > > My aim now is to produce a version with dedicated PostScript support for > graduated fills. This seems to be the thing to do, although the current > system for rendering them may not do too much harm. It should only > mean a new version of the fill applet. > > After that I want to implement some of the ideas which have been suggested > here in > recent weeks - auto save, borders etc. > > This marks the completion of the plan I put forward in July after the take > over from Beebug. > > Taking another peek at the future, I expect to move on to improving the > the > text side of the program. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 17:10:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112906 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:10:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944666502:10:00723:850; Wed, 08 Dec 99 15:21:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1106988; 8 Dec 99 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA30137 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:54:41 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA30132 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:54:39 GMT Received: from lx.student.wau.nl (lx.student.wau.nl [137.224.11.58]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with ESMTP id <0FMF0002RG24QH@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 15:54:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (steveno@localhost) by lx.student.wau.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24580 for ; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:54:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 15:54:17 +0100 (CET) From: Steven Ottens Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet In-reply-to: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3186@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris) wrote: > David, > fills look like a really nice improvement.. > Hello Just came an idea inmy mind but i don't have OvationPro at hand here so i'm sorry if it is already possible. Vantage is going to make a freely available draw-render-module to render transparent draw files (IIRC). Is it possible to use this module to make (semi)transparent frames in OvationPro so being able to easily change the background image behind text (make it lighter/darker). grt Steven Ottens -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 17:12:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112908 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:12:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944667761:10:00995:1069; Wed, 08 Dec 99 15:42:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000436; 8 Dec 99 14:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29885 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:16:38 GMT Received: from zx81.mersinet.co.uk (root@zx81.mersinet.co.uk [195.219.30.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29880 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 14:16:35 GMT Received: from digital257.linix.co.uk ([195.219.31.186] helo=mail.nrc.org.uk ident=root) by zx81.mersinet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11vhsd-0002PQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 08 Dec 1999 14:15:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 5403 invoked from network); 8 Dec 1999 13:52:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SERVER1) (192.168.0.1) by 192.168.0.2 with SMTP; 8 Dec 1999 13:52:00 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:51:54 +0000 From: Dave Brooks X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.36) S/N 3EA42095 Organization: NRC X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4577.991208@mail.nrc.org.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Oh dear! I've had a bit of an e-mail problem and seem to have missed a posting about an OPro 2.56 upgrade. Can anyone tell me where it is? Thanks, Dave dave@mail.nrc.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112938 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944675786:20:03807:78; Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:56:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116970; 8 Dec 99 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30626 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30611 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl3B-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:22:59 GMT Message-Id: <112912@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >update the list of new releases at >http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/new/index.html I am not a fan of the way the OPro pages are constructed. A change around is under way. I intend to have a visible upgrade page with just two upgrades on it 2.46 to 2.56 and 2.52 to 2.56. I intend to put just the 2.56 compatible applets on the applets page. I'll also upload the 2.56 demo version. And I'll probably scrap the 'new' page. All this should be complete by the end of the week. >PS I suppose people realise that they needn't activate more applets than >they need, and to do so will have memory or boot-time penalties? It might be >useful to state in the readme's/release notes which (if any) applets are >essential for most/all scenarios and why? (Also to state that you are not >directly responsible for third-party applets of course) the program will run usefully with no applets, and yes some of the crashes and problems are due to third party applets. I know some people would be happier with no applets and no free online upgrades. What can one do about it though... try not worrying them by not updating the news page? ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112940 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944676515:20:19943:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:08:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105271; 8 Dec 99 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:31 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30618 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl3C-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:28:41 GMT Message-Id: <112914@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Which Sprites22 file there are several inside OV pro. Also when >I shift click on them they just lode masses of symblols into >edit. >I can not see any ref in them to tile_1 sprite. Hey only programmers are allowed to edit Sprites in text editors. Try loading them into Paint. !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Sprites22 >Also now I am getting a new error from MergLib "double >deffination >at line 1". Tends to indicate you have a copy of Mergelib in both Autorun and Library, or two copies of it in Library (with different names). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112941 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944678404:10:25815:369; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:40:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1006968; 8 Dec 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30473 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:04:54 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30468 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:04:52 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA22008 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:04:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199912081704.SAA22008@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 08 Dec 1999 09:26:15 GMT Subject: Re: Web button MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > >In my (ANT) !Internet, the !Boot file has > >Set Alias$@RunType_B28 Run Inet:Bin.URL %%*0 >Set File$Type_B28 URL > >So its that which sets it not Fresco. > Just why does !Browse save &B28, load &B28 upon drag to icon-bar but does not recognize a double-click ??? (Guess I should have put this on the browse-list...) Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112943 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944679277:10:01545:143; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:54:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1125489; 8 Dec 99 18:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30738 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30733 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:15 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.151) [62.188.136.151] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vlGV-0001yq-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:52:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:53:28 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 released... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi David, Thanks for recent update, once again brilliant, fill applet fantastic, the more I play with it the better it gets, I don't know how you keep doing it. Bryan Kirk Bispham. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 19:20:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112942 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 19:20:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944676676:20:22646:20; Wed, 08 Dec 99 18:11:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110361; 8 Dec 99 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30636 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30624 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl3E-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:31:04 GMT Message-Id: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Where can I get 2.56 from X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. Improvements include; * Better hyphenation * Many bug fixes However the main event is that you can use the new Fill applet with it. The Fill applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. It provides pattern, hatched and graduated fills. Currently it lacks dedicated PostScript output for graduated fills, which means whilst it is suitable for desktop printer use (including PS printers), it may not be for professional printing. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Thanks to everyone who read the !!ReadMe instructions file with the last upgrade. Things went much more smoothly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 21:20:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112966 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944683940:20:20879:50; Wed, 08 Dec 99 20:12:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2020831; 8 Dec 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31441 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:55:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31436 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:55:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.156.140) [62.188.156.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vnBE-0006Yr-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:55:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 19:01:26 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Relative tab stops? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Having a conversation with my sister the other day (about MS Word ;-) we touched on the subect of the effect of changing the font size of formatted text on tabs - some words in some columns end up in different positions because they are too long (or short) and jump to the next (or previous) tab stop. Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to have an option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are the roots of that bit of the program too firmly embedded in the replication of the typewriter tab function? -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 21:20:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112971 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944688040:10:01336:1712; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023832; 8 Dec 99 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30614 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30605 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:39:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vl38-0003dB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 17:38:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:14:54 GMT Message-Id: <112910@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 fill applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Vantage is going to make a freely available draw-render-module to render >transparent draw files (IIRC). Is it possible to use this module to make >(semi)transparent frames in OvationPro so being able to easily change the >background image behind text (make it lighter/darker). There are two big unknowns here. First Vantage - there are assumptions like 'all programs use the Draw render module' OPro doesn't. Programs don't do image processing or work in a particular way - OPro probably won't. And of course the assumption "we have a freely available render module". Now transparency - to do it properly from outside a program you'd have to patch the OS, printer drivers, goodness knows what. I have seriously considered transparency in recent weeks. The key is you have to have access to what is behind the transparent object. Now if you're rendering to a bit map printer driver, you do have this, because everything is being rendered to a sprite all the time. All you have to do is find the sprite. Easy peasy. But handling bit map printer drivers is *not good enough*, you have to do it for PostScript too. I was worried that the fill applet was a waste of time, everyone is going to have Vantage or at least the module. But Cerilica encouraged me to finish it. And they face the problem CC did with ArtWorks, if anyone can use the free module, why buy the program? ISTR in January 1997, being told, "don't bother finishing the colour separation stuff, because by the time you do, there'll be a much better system available for all RISC OS programs"... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 21:20:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112973 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:20:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944685523:20:16668:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 20:38:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016468; 8 Dec 99 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31505 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:10:20 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31500 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:10:18 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11vnPA-0006q0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:09:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:50:53 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Spell checker Message-ID: References: <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <112866@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I don't know whether it's something to do with me, but I'm getting a touch > >irritated with the spell checker. It has entries for dont, wont, didnt, etc, > > The OPro one doesn't. You must be using some other alien dictionary. > > >but it objects to them with apostrophies in. (I'm using smart quotes). > > The Opro one has don't etc. in, and the program is smart enough to match > smart or normal quotes > > >Is there something I can do to change this? > > Add the missing words to the dictionary or have both your current > dictionary and the OPro one loaded. > > > >Also it doesn't seem able to handle plurals well, or it might just be for > >words in the user dictionary. > > It expects all versons of a word to be in the dictionary > > awk > awks > awking > > etc. I note that Alan is using Messenger Pro. Given that most will have Messenger's !Words in Resources:, could it be that the Messenger Pro version of the dictionary is being used instead of OP? I don't know if the contents are exactly the same but if not... I've removed the Messenger version of !Words and replaced it with OP's for consistency. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:19:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112993 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:19:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944690387:20:24886:16; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:59:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117441; 8 Dec 99 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31970 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31965 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vorT-000MXp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:42:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:31:53 GMT Message-Id: <112985@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to have an >option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are the roots of Well could be done, but unlikely. I suppose if you have as many tab stops and tabs as one another in each line the problem does not appear as much. The auto tab stops in OPro don't help that of course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:19:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA112996 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:19:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944689970:10:22310:239; Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:52:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1003378; 8 Dec 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31741 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:54:47 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31736 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:54:45 GMT Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11vo68-000BJ6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:54:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:40:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. So it's time to recover OvPro v2.52 from my backup disc. Why did you not use v2.55 as the "baseline" for upgrades? Paul. -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:57:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113008 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:57:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944692170:10:22052:627; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:29:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003063; 8 Dec 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31993 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31988 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.245) [193.149.74.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vosc-0002JQ-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:44:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 00:42:53 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The new version seems to be working with no problems. Fill applet looks excellent but I am finding it hard to get to grips with. This is because A I've not read the instructions well enough or B more info is needed, I think it is B. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:57:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113012 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:57:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944693566:10:04403:1096; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:52:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118875; 8 Dec 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31971 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vorR-000MXp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:42:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:29:24 GMT Message-Id: <112983@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro Spell checker X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Given that most will have Messenger's !Words in Resources:, could it be >that the Messenger Pro version of the dictionary is being used instead of >OP? I don't know if the contents are exactly the same but if not... Thats a good point. As has been mentioned here recently, Messenger will come with the spell check dictionary from !Spell - its nothing like the one in OPro - a lot more words for one thing. So you can pick one or another, or both, if yo change the name. !MainDict is the one which is used by default - autoloaded when you do a spell check. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 8 22:57:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113015 for opro ; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:57:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944693889:10:17718:496; Wed, 08 Dec 99 22:58:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104026; 8 Dec 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32097 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:50:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA32092 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:50:43 GMT Received: from (br09.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.70.66] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11voyI-0002WJ-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:50:02 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 21:49:51 +0000 (GMT) From: ovation Subject: Re: !Contents Applet To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" In-Reply-To: <496a969d8bdelink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Dec, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Has anybody got it to work? I have a fair number of other applets in > > use - perhaps there is a clash. > > No problem here. Same specs. > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > Actually, after upgrading to RISC OS 4, I regularly get this message after > printing (exclusively with OvationPro!). > Clicking nine times on Cancel removes the error box, without any damage, > though. > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > you have got the AUN network enabled and it thinks your trying to access a shared disk. Go into the boot network configuration, acorn access and uncheck the enable box. (I found it caused printers to fail to load properly, plus we had problems with the Ant suite) Chris -- Chris & Julie Howe StrongArm RiscPC RiscOS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113017 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944694263:10:07264:186; Wed, 08 Dec 99 23:04:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018510; 8 Dec 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31983 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31978 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vorY-000MXp-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:43:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Dec 99 21:35:37 GMT Message-Id: <112987@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So it's time to recover OvPro v2.52 from my backup disc. Why did you not >use v2.55 as the "baseline" for upgrades? Because... I don't have limitless web space, many people will be setting off from 2.52, and they'll not like having to step through dozens of versions to get to 2.56. As I've said before the current system is far from ideal, I'd never have invented it, but for now you have to go along with it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113016 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944699662:20:20768:20; Thu, 09 Dec 99 00:34:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019803; 9 Dec 99 0:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00397 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00387 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:26 GMT Received: from (62.188.139.220) [62.188.139.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vr0i-0006sO-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:00:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:58:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Output to printer gone wrong. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 7 Dec 1999 (18:20:02 +0000), crusius@wxs.nl wrote: >Using a HP Deskjet 520 with OP(2.55) running on an SA RiscOsPC with a >turbo print driver or an HP driver I had a spot of trouble with >!Contents not working on some files. Since the things got progressively >worse. OP, when asked to print out any file, rips of a line of number >and symbols, ejects the sheet and give the next sheet the same >treatment. That sounds like the effect of either using a normal parallel lead with TurboDrivers or a TurboDriver lead with an HP driver. If you need to be able to use both drivers without switching the cable, !FastSpool+ by Warm Silence Software is the answer. http://www.wss.co.uk/ HTH Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113021 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944702051:20:18067:19; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017758; 9 Dec 99 1:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00623 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:45:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00617 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:45:37 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.83.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vrhY-0000EL-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:44:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:15:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from Message-ID: <496d500c95ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on > 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have > a copy of 2.52 for future use. You don't actually need a whole copy of 2.52 - just the !Runimage. I just rename my 2.55 !Runimage to !Runimage2 (just in case of accidents) and then copy the 2.52 !Runimage into 2.55. Then when I run the installer, all I have to do is drag 2.55 (containing 2.52 !Runimage) to the installer and it works. I've done this for the last few upgrades with no problems. It's probably useful to have a couple of spare 2.52 !Runimages around on backups etc - but they must be ones originally installed on your working hard drive. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113024 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944698077:10:26381:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 00:07:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025753; 9 Dec 99 0:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00324 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:30 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00319 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:37:28 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.217) [193.149.80.217] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vqda-0006AS-00; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:36:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 22:39:57 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R First off - Brilliant upgrade and great Fill applet.Now the bad new= s! I have been trying to locate the Centre button on the picture t= ool palette. I must be being thick 'cos I can't find it anywhere - what is= the picture tool palette?.In the process I went to the Modify Pict= ure window. This doesn't work even if I don't change anything. A click on= OK gives an 'Unknown type of units' error. I admit that I rarely use = this method to change a picture since most things can be done from the tool= s at the bottom of the OP window and if this is the Pictur= e tool palette, mine has not got a centre button.I had a quick look= back at OP 2.55 and got the same 'Unknown type of units' error.Fin= ally we really must have a new manual even if it is in electronic version. = There are so many new features since version 2.46 or whatever. Now before= you get all upset David let me clarify this. I am not saying 'get off you= r arse and write us a new manual'. I realise that you are extremely busy w= orking on software, OP and other products. All I am saying is that there i= s a need for a new manual in some form. Frankly I don't know how it could = be done without someone donating a lot of their time.-- Ric= hard __ __ __ __ __ __________________________________= ___________|__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ /|__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ = /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions_________________________= __/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 01:50:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113027 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 01:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944699415:10:23805:24; Thu, 09 Dec 99 00:30:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022874; 9 Dec 99 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00392 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA00385 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:01:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.139.220) [62.188.139.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11vr0e-0006sO-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 00:00:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 23:57:15 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 8 Dec 1999 (21:31:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to >>have an option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are >>the roots of > >Well could be done, but unlikely. > Thanks for the reply David, I'll think on! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 13:55:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113045 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 13:55:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944712087:20:23570:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 04:01:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109064; 9 Dec 99 4:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01341 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:44:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01336 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:44:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11vuUj-000FR2-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 03:43:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 02:06:43 GMT Message-Id: <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been trying to locate the Centre button on the picture tool palette. >I must be being thick 'cos I can't find it anywhere To the right of the 'fit' button. Just select one frame with a picture in it, and you're looking at the info palette for the picture tool. >In the process I went to the Modify Picture window. A click on OK gives an >'Unknown type of units' error. Now thats interesting, I have heard one other person say that. The thing to do is look at the icons in the window, if one of them has 10xx instead of 10mm then thats the problem. OPro gives this error if you type something it doesn't recognise into a text icon which has a dimension in it. >Finally we really must have a new manual even if it is in electronic version. Well JM van Vredenburch is working on it. An updated manual has always been the intention. However to expect it to be updated at the same time as the program is just too much. For one thing, new features like the fill applet are not cast in stone at the moment, if anyone has some suggestions things can be changed. Secondly the documentation I inherited in July had not been touched since early 1996, it has got a long way to go. Finally, most users aren't going to read documentation; these days if a program can't be used without reading a manual, you might as well forget it. >Fill applet looks excellent but I am finding it hard to get to grips with. This >is because A I've not read the instructions well enough or B more info is >needed, I think it is B. Care to be specific? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 13:56:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113051 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 13:56:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944734037:10:09880:143; Thu, 09 Dec 99 10:07:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015683; 9 Dec 99 10:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01966 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:33:01 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01961 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:32:59 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16121 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:32:14 GMT Message-ID: <384F785F.A11332BD@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 09:37:35 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 References: <112914@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to be slow on the take up but "Should" there be more than one copy of each sprite file? As a test I removed Mergelib and re ran Ov Pro it worked fine. I will locate & remove my extra copy (and replace the proper mergelib). Since, somthing seems to have gon wrong with an upgrade (or somthing) some time, could you publish some where a list of Ov Pro sub directories and what files they should contain? David Pilling wrote: > > >Which Sprites22 file there are several inside OV pro. Also when > >I shift click on them they just lode masses of symblols into > >edit. > >I can not see any ref in them to tile_1 sprite. > > Hey only programmers are allowed to edit Sprites in text editors. > Try loading them into Paint. > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Sprites22 > > >Also now I am getting a new error from MergLib "double > >deffination > >at line 1". > > Tends to indicate you have a copy of Mergelib in both Autorun and Library, > or two copies of it in Library (with different names). > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 14:01:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113058 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 14:01:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944731857:20:17882:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 09:30:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102984; 9 Dec 99 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01840 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01832 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:10 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.108] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11vzQ1-0006t9-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:59:21 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:47:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:46:59 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents Applet Message-ID: <48cd9f6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ovation wrote: > > However, I got an error message after printing, saying > > > > Please insert or make available shared disc '_SO' > > > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > you have got the AUN network enabled and it thinks your trying to access a > shared disk. Go into the boot network configuration, acorn access and > uncheck the enable box. > Maybe not. This problem has been discussed extensively recently on other lists, but not, I think, to any definite outcome. It seems to relate to printing rather than a shared disk as such, and both !Printers Ant !Inetsuite seem implicated. But I don't think anyone has demonstrated how to get rid of the problem without disabling something you probably want. I don't get it if Inetsuite is not loaded, even with all kinds of network sharing set. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 14:01:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113059 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 14:01:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944732615:20:01240:19; Thu, 09 Dec 99 09:43:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001271; 9 Dec 99 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01838 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01829 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 09:00:09 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.108] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11vzQ0-0006t9-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 08:59:20 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:42:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 08:41:32 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <7b4d9f6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <112985@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to have an > >option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are the roots of > > Well could be done, but unlikely. > > I suppose if you have as many tab stops and tabs as one another in each line > the problem does not appear as much. The auto tab stops in OPro don't help > that of course. I think that one of the problems here is not so much the tab arrangements per se but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. Yes, I have TableMate Designer but I'm afraid I don't get on with it very well. When we have a lot of tables to do it seems to take me longer to get a consistent result using that than taking the table out into a different package altogether - even on to a different platform. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 18:13:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113076 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:13:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944754770:20:07108:19; Thu, 09 Dec 99 15:52:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006680; 9 Dec 99 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03002 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:34:13 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02997 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:34:12 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.246] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #4) id 11w5ZL-0003ix-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:33:23 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:30:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 15:30:08 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. > > Define good table handling? > > > Obviously as of now there is none. > Let me take some time think about the former point but respond to the latter. I presume that it was by design that Ovation lacked table facilities beyond tab rulers (and this is still a satisfactory way of handling simple tables) because there was a third party solution in Tablemate to which this work could be delegated, in true RiscOs fashion. OvPro will import Tablemate files and will export them for OLE editing (no big deal, presumably, since they seem to be basically Draw files). So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling facilities, I'm just saying what we have at present isn't really good enough. Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with some of the tables I have waiting, noting all the points at which I get frustrated, I may be able to offer you a wish list. Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 18:47:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113086 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:47:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944753173:10:19104:215; Thu, 09 Dec 99 15:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108193; 9 Dec 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02748 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:31:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02743 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:31:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w4b2-000AbE-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 14:31:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 14:25:44 GMT Message-Id: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. Define good table handling? Obviously as of now there is none. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 18:47:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113088 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:47:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944755518:10:13221:137; Thu, 09 Dec 99 16:05:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118727; 9 Dec 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02917 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:13:24 GMT Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02912 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:13:22 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:12:30 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19773 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:11:38 GMT Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 15:11:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: more about upgrading To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <496d500c95ray@magray.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Dec, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on > > 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have > > a copy of 2.52 for future use. > > You don't actually need a whole copy of 2.52 - just the !Runimage. > > I just rename my 2.55 !Runimage to !Runimage2 (just in case of accidents) > and then copy the 2.52 !Runimage into 2.55. > Can anyone help over another problem that slows me down. Each upgrade over-writes my customised Macros file, and I overcome this from by dragging in from the last version (after changing copy options). Is there a quicker way? Or, alternatively, does the upgrade have to include a "new" Macros file. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 19:37:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113097 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:37:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944766967:10:03240:1531; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:16:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114812; 9 Dec 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03464 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:37:27 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03459 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:37:25 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA01661 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:36:34 GMT Message-ID: <384FF7FE.6E434815@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:42:06 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? References: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I like table mate designer. But it lacks enough mathematical functions to do most of the jobs. Thus I spend more time pushing buttons on my calculator than typing into TMD David Graddol wrote: > > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > > > >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. > > > > Define good table handling? > > > > > > Obviously as of now there is none. > > > Let me take some time think about the former point but respond to > the latter. > > I presume that it was by design that Ovation lacked table > facilities beyond tab rulers (and this is still a satisfactory > way of handling simple tables) because there was a third party > solution in Tablemate to which this work could be delegated, in > true RiscOs fashion. OvPro will import Tablemate files and will > export them for OLE editing (no big deal, presumably, since they > seem to be basically Draw files). > > So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling > facilities, I'm just saying what we have at present isn't > really good enough. Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with > some of the tables I have waiting, noting all the points at which > I get frustrated, I may be able to offer you a wish list. Are > contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? > > David > > -- > The English Company (UK) Ltd > http://www.english.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 19:37:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113098 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944766546:20:12434:25; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:09:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102706; 9 Dec 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03503 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:39:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03498 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:39:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.177) [193.149.85.177] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11w8Sv-0003cz-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:38:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 16:06:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Ovation and alsystems SCSI Message-ID: <496dc8072cphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In order to have a permanent home for my back up of "1.52" and save space on my ADFS hard Disc I thought I would save 1.52 to one of my SCSI discs. It transferred OK and refreshed OK with floppy disc Ovation 1; but it ran through a whole list of error messages (see later paragraph) before finally loading on the icon bar. Once on, the icon could not be removed from the icon bar without doing a hard break and although what was typed could be saved no menus were accessible! I tried again on my other SCSI disc, because the first attempt had been to a partitioned disc. Same result. I tried using a full load from all nine floppy discs. Same result. I have never tried to run Ovation Pro on a SCSI disc since I got it, (although I normally use a SCSI disc for downloading from the net so all the downloaded upgrades have been on to a SCSI disc) so I don't know whether it is an effect of the Riscos 4 upgrade or an inherent clash between Ovation and the Alsystems software or board; but I thought it might be worth mentioning on this list. Yet a transfer of 1.52 (with floppy refresh on transferred application) to either an IEDE disc (updated to F+) or an ADPL data safe disc (using F format) behaved perfectly, and could be updated to 1.56 without any problems. The type of error message I was getting with the SCSI discs was typically "type at line 1844 .Library.!MemLib" or "unknown identifier at line..." Seven messages were for items in the Library sub-dirctory, seven others cropped up in the applets sub-directory when I had loaded additional applets. The couple of items in which the reported error line was reasonably small enough to attempt checking showed a single "{" on the line, assuming that empty lines counted as numbered lines. So instead of saving space I found an intriguing problem. This is the first application that I have been unable to load to a SCSI disc. Phil Hetherington * ... A computer without software is like a desk without flowers.. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 19:37:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113099 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944767751:10:04542:33; Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:29:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002333; 9 Dec 99 18:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03522 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:43:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA03517 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:43:38 GMT Received: from (62.188.156.30) [62.188.156.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11w8Wd-0003kh-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:42:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:35:43 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Modifying default frame fill colour Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to modify the default frame fill colour to 'transparent'. I suspect it's in the 'textchoices' and 'picturechoices' values in !Choices, but I'm not sure which! Cheers Richard. PS - very happy with v2.56! -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 20:14:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113113 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:14:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944770194:20:02087:17; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:09:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002133; 9 Dec 99 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04212 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04206 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w9aO-000DVT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:50:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:41:33 GMT Message-Id: <113105@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation and alsystems SCSI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The type of error message I was getting with the SCSI discs was typically OPro will run from SCSI discs. The type of errors you are getting... >"type at line 1844 .Library.!MemLib" or "unknown >identifier at line..." point to something being wrong with the script files in Library or Autorun. Missing files, duplicate files, corrupt files, whatever. If something manages to mess up the scripts, then you don't get any menus, because the menus are defined in script files. So you can't quit the program. The way out is to menu on the task manager window and quit OPro from there. I wonder where MemLib comes from? typo or real? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:30:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113120 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:30:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944770806:20:09992:22; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:20:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009995; 9 Dec 99 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04197 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:00 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04192 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:50:58 GMT Received: (qmail 1790 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1999 19:46:25 -0000 Received: from userm770.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.80.58) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1999 19:46:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 19:15:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette Message-ID: <496dd95c98dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113036@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Richard wrote: > >Fill applet looks excellent but I am finding it hard to get to grips > >with. This is because A I've not read the instructions well enough or B > >more info is needed, I think it is B. > Care to be specific? > David Pilling I'm amused... :-) I stuck the applet in OvPro, Ran OvPro and just played with the new Fill applet without even realising there were any instructions... it's very intuitive... I mean most of the functions are obvious... I have similar troubles with SWMBO, she just will not experiment/play with things... Over the years I've found experiment, playing with new apps and features, it's by far the best way to learn. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113125 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944771472:10:03287:49; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129633; 9 Dec 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03583 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03578 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w8c9-0004Vr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:48:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:20:10 GMT Message-Id: <113082@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Web site updates... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The *netlink* site now has the 2.56 demo version, and the 2.46 to 2.56 and 2.52 to 2.56 upgrades available from the visible upgrade page. The applets page has the latest colsup and art works applets on (they come with the above upgrades anyway). Finally there is a new version of the document applet (displays recently edited file names) which copes with long filenames. I couldn't update the demon version last night, and since I'd rather you use the netlink site I won't be announcing when I do. I've heard some complaints about downloading these upgrades, so I did a test today. At 3.30 pm, I download one of the 1Mb files from netlink in 3 min 35 seconds (5K bytes per second), using IE5 (boo hiss), over Tesconet, and a 56K modem. So as usual, works OK for me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113127 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944772342:10:17560:114; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:45:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118952; 9 Dec 99 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03576 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03571 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:49:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w8c6-0004Vr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 18:48:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 18:14:42 GMT Message-Id: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I presume that it was by design that Ovation lacked table >facilities beyond tab rulers (and this is still a satisfactory >way of handling simple tables) because there was a third party >solution in Tablemate to which this work could be delegated, in >true RiscOs fashion. Well the real reason is that we didn't have time. The program should have had vertical rule offs which are a poor mans table maker, but we didn't have time for that either. Somewhere there is a spec. for how to do tables in OPro. However, one crucial choice is between the table as an object (like MS Publisher) and the table style, (Techwriter, Word). Since the OPro spec was done HTML etc. has come to the fore, and so if it is possible I would be inclined to do tables as a style. >Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? Yes. Tables, bullets, that kind of thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113128 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944772569:10:18755:141; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:49:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028031; 9 Dec 99 20:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04225 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04213 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:51:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11w9aQ-000DVT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 19:50:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 19:45:01 GMT Message-Id: <113107@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Modifying default frame fill colour X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to modify the default frame fill colour to 'transparent'. >From NewDoc.Summary Setting default attributes on objects ------------------------------------- When you click on "Save as Default", a style sheet called Default is saved in the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir folder. It is now possible to save a document (i.e. as opposed to a style sheet) called 'Default' inside !OvnPro.!OvnResDir. If you do, the first object of each type which is not a master object is used as a prototype (the object will *not* appear in each new document). By this mechanism it is now possible to make text frames default to transparent or have no text runaround etc. Note the duality with the approach of having Choices windows to control the defaults for objects. Settings in the choices windows take precedence. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113129 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944772676:10:18287:157; Thu, 09 Dec 99 20:51:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127977; 9 Dec 99 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04627 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:36:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04622 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:36:10 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.192) [194.69.106.192] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wAHU-00004j-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:35:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:41:50 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <496DDBC187%mik@xemik.com> References: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling facilities, > I'm just saying what we have at present isn't really good enough. As an ex-ImpPub user, I have to agree. To make a decent table IMO you need to upgrade to the later version, but I'd already spent more than I could afford to buy OPro[1]. > Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with some of the tables I have > waiting, noting all the points at which I get frustrated, I may be able to > offer you a wish list. Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your > next phase? I gave up & used Easiwriter, then exported the table as a drawfile. [1] No critism intended. It is well worth the money. BTW I notice Beebug are still selling Ovation. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Why is a building not called a built? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 21:31:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113133 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:31:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944774042:10:18167:193; Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:14:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110081; 9 Dec 99 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04530 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:30:16 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04525 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:30:14 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.196] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11wABl-0002nK-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 20:29:22 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:17:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 20:15:57 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <9e1de6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Somewhere there is a spec. for how to do tables in OPro. > > However, one crucial choice is between the table as an object (like MS > Publisher) and the table style, (Techwriter, Word). Since the OPro spec was > done HTML etc. has come to the fore, and so if it is possible I would be > inclined to do tables as a style. Do I hear you whisper XML? By Style seems fine by me (though I have often wondered whether XML can really handle complex multiframe page layouts). A great deal of our work involves setting material that comes to us in some other form - may be in Word or simple ascii text. We rarely want to reproduce the format we've been given, but nor do we want rekey an endless series of numbers and technical text items (rarely in the dictionary) and then have to proof read it all. Some table wizards are very good if you are keying in the text yourself, but not too flexible if you need to play around with the format once a basic table has been created, reshaping the size and flow of cells etc. > >Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? > > Yes. Tables, bullets, that kind of thing. Brilliant! Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs and figures? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 22:41:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113143 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:41:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944778779:10:11426:16; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:32:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125556; 9 Dec 99 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05023 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:02:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA05018 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:02:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wBcj-000NXn-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:01:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 99 21:46:54 GMT Message-Id: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Do I hear you whisper XML? This is on the cards. The idea is to generalise the style system so that it is possible to create new attributes. At the moment there is a fixed (large) set - bold, italics, font name,... I presume that if this was extended so that you could create attributes, then at least round trip editing of HTML and XML would be possible. >By Style seems fine by me (though I have often wondered whether >XML can really handle complex multiframe page layouts). It will be interesting to see how Quark tackle it. XML is large in their plans now. >Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished form. >and figures? Now thats a nice idea - don't have a clue how you'd do it though. Obviously given numbered paras you can do it with a chain of text frames grouped to picture frames. Hard work though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 9 22:41:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113144 for opro ; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:41:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944779273:10:23113:24; Thu, 09 Dec 99 22:41:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109753; 9 Dec 99 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05091 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05086 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.156.219) [62.188.156.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wByk-0003ZN-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:24:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 21:35:38 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Opro 2.56 Picture Tool Palette Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA05087 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (02:06:43), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > To the right of the 'fit' button. Just select one frame with a picture > in it, and you're looking at the info palette for the picture tool. Mea Culpa Sorry to have bothered you - I had not followed the upgrade instructions properly and failed to drag the !Opro in the archive o You did help however because what you said about the picture tool palette (I thought that was it) mad e me suspect I'd not ugra -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 00:06:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113147 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944782948:10:20551:18; Thu, 09 Dec 99 23:42:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126125; 9 Dec 99 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05351 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:13:58 GMT Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05346 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:13:55 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.148.233]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991209231225.XDZV27648.mta3-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:12:25 +1300 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:14:48 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? To: OP list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just downloaded the upgrade archive op246/zip, but the !!ReadMe file says "The patch provided is for users of 2.52 *ONLY*." and goes on to describe how to upgrade from 2.52, not 2.46. I'm currently using 2.49 and have 2.46 on disc. How do I upgrade to 2.56? -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 00:06:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113148 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:06:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944783136:10:23820:18; Thu, 09 Dec 99 23:45:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023112; 9 Dec 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05415 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:30:14 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05410 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:30:12 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.99] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11wCzu-0006R0-00; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:29:19 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:22:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 23:22:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs > > Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished form. > > > >and figures? > > Now thats a nice idea - don't have a clue how you'd do it though. > > Obviously given numbered paras you can do it with a chain of text frames > grouped to picture frames. Hard work though. > I'm pretty sure MS Word does figure numbers although I would have to check how it is done. Of course, like footnotes, the real magic is that when a figure is deleted not only are the other figure numbers renumbered automatically (or perhaps when a rescan is manually instigated), but also all the in-text references to figures (e.g. see figure 1). I guess that there is some kind of active anchor (like a page number) which is embedded in the text. Footnote numbering may the nearest analogue. Actually, now I come to think about it, the same applies to paragraph numbering. We're doing a report at the moment which has frequent in-text references to para numbers. Every revision brings changes to the paragraphing ..... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 01:33:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113151 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 01:33:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944784870:10:03464:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100764; 10 Dec 99 0:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05505 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:46:40 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05500 for ; Thu, 9 Dec 1999 23:46:38 GMT Received: (qmail 2173 invoked from network); 9 Dec 1999 23:29:30 -0000 Received: from user1244.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.244) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 1999 23:29:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 18:41:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <496dd64403ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <34b6c46d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > So I'm happy enough to regard OvPro as providing table handling > facilities, I'm just saying what we have at present isn't > really good enough. Perhaps if I go away now and wrestle with > some of the tables I have waiting, noting all the points at which > I get frustrated, I may be able to offer you a wish list. Are > contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? I've always been quite happy with table handling in OP, using TableMate, whereas I don't find the Tab handling at all useful. I have TM Designer, which does anything that I have ever thrown at it, but I do find that if I don't use it for a while it takes a bit of learning again. Once learnt however, it is very speedy in operation and although the first table may take a while, subsequent ones are much faster now that I've remembered what to do. I don't think DP is the one to talk to about tables in OP - George Buchanan of Dalriada is probably more useful. Now, when I tried to do a table in Word ... I didn't ever finish it :-( Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 02:23:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113167 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:23:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944790000:20:08363:20; Fri, 10 Dec 99 01:40:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110631; 10 Dec 99 1:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05808 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:06:47 GMT Received: from ambience.com.au ([203.46.3.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05803 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:06:39 GMT From: Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 1145442 for ; Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:43:51 +1100 Subject: Re: Where can I get 2.56 from To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 10:43:51 +1100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <112916@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, We have a 15 user version. We do we get the upgarde from? Thanks, Paul On Wed, 08 Dec 99 17:31:04 GMT opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > OvationPro 2.56 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade/op252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to > base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure > you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected > 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > > Improvements include; > > * Better hyphenation > * Many bug fixes > > However the main event is that you can use the new Fill > applet with it. > > The Fill applet is available from the applets pages on > the web sites. > > It provides pattern, hatched and graduated fills. > > Currently it lacks dedicated PostScript output for > graduated fills, which > means whilst it is suitable for desktop printer use > (including PS printers), > it may not be for professional printing. > > > This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement > applets and > both these are included in the archive. > > Full documentation for the new features is also included. > > It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. > > Thanks to everyone who read the !!ReadMe instructions > file with the last > upgrade. Things went much more smoothly. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, > Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email > majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the > message Paul Herring HOD IT The Kooralbyn International School Ogilvie Pl., Kooralbyn Qld 4285 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 02:23:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113169 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:23:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944790805:20:15297:33; Fri, 10 Dec 99 01:53:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015515; 10 Dec 99 1:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA05903 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:35:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05898 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:35:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wEx6-000NOT-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 01:34:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 00:08:32 GMT Message-Id: <113149@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I've just downloaded the upgrade archive op246/zip, but the !!ReadMe file >says "The patch provided is for users of 2.52 *ONLY*." and goes on to >describe how to upgrade from 2.52, not 2.46. Disaster! Just ignore the 2.52's and pretend they are 2.46's Its the right archive with the wrong !!ReadMe file in it. I will fix this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 03:45:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113174 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 03:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944794469:20:16906:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:54:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016895; 10 Dec 99 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06267 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06260 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wFks-0004iU-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:25:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:15:16 GMT Message-Id: <113165@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I don't think DP is the one to talk to about tables in OP - George >Buchanan of Dalriada is probably more useful. Perhaps I'd better say tables are further down the list than bullets. And the tables you're likely to get are not likely to be the same as GB's - not a threat to him is what I'm struggling to explain. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 03:45:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113175 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 03:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944793709:10:16013:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:41:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124323; 10 Dec 99 2:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06264 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06255 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:26:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wFkq-0004iU-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:25:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:11:07 GMT Message-Id: <113163@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm pretty sure MS Word does figure numbers although I would have >to check how it is done. Of course, like footnotes, the real >magic is that when a figure is deleted not only are the other >figure numbers renumbered automatically (or perhaps when a >rescan is manually instigated), but also all the in-text >references to figures (e.g. see figure 1). I guess this is a case of "a word processor is a simpler program than a DTP program". If everything is in one story, then it is a lot easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 03:45:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113176 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 03:45:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944794022:10:26650:17; Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:47:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127189; 10 Dec 99 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06229 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:19:50 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA06224 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:19:49 GMT Received: (qmail 19663 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 02:13:17 -0000 Received: from usern640.uk.uudial.com (HELO usern640) (193.149.85.165) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 02:13:17 -0000 Date: Thu, 09 Dec 1999 14:31:46 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Lable Templates Message-ID: <5f5ebf6d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All Now that I am getting used to Ovation, I would like to set up some label files, for the label stock I already have. I have looked at all the places on the net, so as to avoid re inventing the wheel but cannot find the one's I need, which are for Avery labels, reference J8165 99.1*67.7 (8) to a sheet L18-250 66*46.5 (18) to a sheet L21-50 66*38 (21) to a sheet L7656 46.11.11 (84) to a sheet I would be extremely grateful if anyone could guide me to a site where I might find such templates. Cheers Steve -- What ever happened to the man in the moon? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:43:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113179 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:43:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944813974:20:21405:17; Fri, 10 Dec 99 08:19:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021273; 10 Dec 99 8:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07141 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:52 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07136 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:51:50 GMT Received: from pbready ([212.250.143.129]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA28452 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:35:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 07:48:35 GMT From: Pete Bready To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: References: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > However, one crucial choice is between the table as an object (like MS > Publisher) and the table style, (Techwriter, Word). Since the OPro spec was > done HTML etc. has come to the fore, and so if it is possible I would be > inclined to do tables as a style. > > > >Are contemplating doing some work on tables in your next phase? > > Yes. Tables, bullets, that kind of thing. > And lists, numbering etc as styles attributes too? -- Pete Bready -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:44:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113182 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944820000:20:24569:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 10:00:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024477; 10 Dec 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07367 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:26:34 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07361 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:26:32 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-57.access.ch [212.161.129.57]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19434 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:25:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 00:19:31 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <112763@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 07 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > Print margins work for me... They only work if you have > a printer driver loaded though. I believe it is mentioned in the manual. Page 83, final paragraph ... JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:44:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113183 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944820022:20:24697:29; Fri, 10 Dec 99 10:00:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100283; 10 Dec 99 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07421 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:13 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07416 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:11 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19868 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:43:05 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id JAA23967 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:43:18 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256843.0034E293.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:37 +0000 Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >>Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs >Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished form. >>and figures? >Now thats a nice idea - don't have a clue how you'd do it though. What about generalising the page/chapter number to have named registers (a->z) that could be set, incremented or decremented (?) and then just insert the register name as part of the text like you would insert a page or chapter number. So all your figures could use register "f" say and you would have a title that said Figure "f": title of figure... With some bit of magic to identify the "f" bit as a register. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:44:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113189 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944826382:20:21376:56; Fri, 10 Dec 99 11:46:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114827; 10 Dec 99 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07983 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07978 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:46 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.157) [62.188.145.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wOEA-0006P7-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:28:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:18:40 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Lable Templates Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (14:31:46), steve.harratt@ukgateway.net wrote: > Hello All > > Now that I am getting used to Ovation, I would like to set up some > label files, for the label stock I already have. > > I have looked at all the places on the net, so as to avoid re inventing > the wheel but cannot find the one's I need, which are for Avery labels, > reference > > J8165 99.1*67.7 (8) to a sheet > L18-250 66*46.5 (18) to a sheet > L21-50 66*38 (21) to a sheet > L7656 46.11.11 (84) to a sheet > > I would be extremely grateful if anyone could guide me to a site where > I might find such templates. > > Cheers > > Steve > Hi Steve, I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized Avery type labels. They are, L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) If these are any use I will try and send by email to you (which I have not done yet) or if you give me your snailmail address I will send a copy of the files to you on disc. Cheers Bryan. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:45:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113190 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944827053:20:03540:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 11:57:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003612; 10 Dec 99 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07990 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07985 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:29:49 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.157) [62.188.145.157] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wOED-0006P7-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:28:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:21:25 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.56 - a bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 10 Dec 1999 (00:19:31 +0100), janvredenb@access.ch wrote: > On Tue 07 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > > > > Print margins work for me... They only work if you have > > a printer driver loaded though. > > I believe it is mentioned in the manual. Page 83, final paragraph ... > > JohnvV > found mine didn't work till I switched them on at the macro's, now work fine. Cheers Bryan -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:45:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113192 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:45:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944828902:20:06221:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 12:28:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116185; 10 Dec 99 12:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08279 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:09:47 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08272 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:09:45 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11wOqf-0003ZD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:08:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:08:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Lable Templates Message-ID: <496e36173aC.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr B Kirk wrote: > Hi Steve, > I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized > Avery type labels. > They are, > L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) > L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) > L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) > L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) > If these are any use I will try and send by email to you (which I > have not done yet) or if you give me your snailmail address I will > send a copy of the files to you on disc. If you have any templates that are not on the "other" opro site, then perhaps you could e-mail them to me also, and I will add them to the site for downloading. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:45:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113194 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:45:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944830061:20:24674:17; Fri, 10 Dec 99 12:47:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114040; 10 Dec 99 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08383 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:16:04 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08378 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:16:02 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11wOwx-0003fw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:15:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:14:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Lable Templates Message-ID: <496e36acf2C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr B Kirk wrote: > Hi Steve, > I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized > Avery type labels. > They are, > L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) > L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) > L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) > L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) On checking my site I see that there is a template for L7160 among those present, but not for any of the others listed here (I thought I had added some more of my own, but I don't see them - I must have imagined it). The alternative would be for persons with sheets of unusual lables to send me a sheet, and I will make up the templates myself. I usually make up one template with autoflow, and one without. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 13:46:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113199 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:46:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944833109:20:14499:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:38:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123375; 10 Dec 99 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08671 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:04:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08666 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:04:38 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.102) [194.69.106.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wPhv-0001Tk-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:03:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 12:48:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Lable Templates Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (14:31:46), steve.harratt@ukgateway.net wrote: > guide me to a site where I might find such templates You should be able to find what you need on the Avery resource site: http://www.avery.com/resource_center/tb/av1110.html I found the label size I normally use there, and it works impeccably with both the !Label and !Labeller applets (and for other external apps as well) Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 14:21:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113208 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 14:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944798526:10:21531:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 04:02:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100469; 10 Dec 99 4:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06712 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:48:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06707 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:48:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wH1N-0000Jv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 03:47:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 02:28:01 GMT Message-Id: <113172@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >We have a 15 user version. We do we get the upgarde from? You don't... It depends, Beebug issued two sorts of program on site licences, one is like the normal 2.46 copy protected etc. I suspect (but don't know) that this can be upgraded using the normal patches. Does anyone know? Then in more recent times they issued a registered but not protected 2.52. I can't do anything about that. In due course there will be a paid for upgrade and you'll have the chance to upgrade. To some extent the current versions are not production quality and you shouldn't be inflicting them on a site licence environment anyway. I'm reluctant to get involved in upgrades - just a waste of time and effort for me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113220 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944821423:10:02256:23; Fri, 10 Dec 99 10:23:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103384; 10 Dec 99 10:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07437 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:32 GMT Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA07431 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:44:28 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.148.111]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991210094258.VPCX50393.mta4-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:42:58 +1300 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:45:26 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? To: OP list In-Reply-To: <113149@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I've just downloaded the upgrade archive op246/zip, but the !!ReadMe file > >says "The patch provided is for users of 2.52 *ONLY*." and goes on to > >describe how to upgrade from 2.52, not 2.46. > > Disaster! > > Just ignore the 2.52's and pretend they are 2.46's > > Its the right archive with the wrong !!ReadMe file in it. > > I will fix this. OK, thanks. I'll ignore my 2.49 installation, re-install 2.46 then pretend the 2.52s are 2.46s. But please clarify the line that says "future upgrades will be based on 2.52". Do you mean upgrades will also be based on 2.46, or do I somehow have to get a copy of 2.52 if I want to upgrade in the future? -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113222 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944825159:10:22844:166; Fri, 10 Dec 99 11:25:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012665; 10 Dec 99 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA07872 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:54:22 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07867 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 10:54:20 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.130]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4A3D for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 11:52:08 +0100 Subject: Fill applet - screen option? Message-ID: <496e2f187fdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Although still being very impressed by the fill applet, a question is rising: Would it be possible to ad a 'screen' option to the dialogue, as used in the picture menu, making it possible to change LPI settings? I think that especially the graduated fills would gain a severe profit by that. (Speaking about graduated fills: do you think that we can expect a high quality postscript output for them in the near future?) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113228 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944833535:10:28364:244; Fri, 10 Dec 99 13:45:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125444; 10 Dec 99 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08706 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:17:01 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08701 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:16:57 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-059.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.59]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7620F15773 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:15:45 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:16:50 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Mail Merging -- yet again (sorry) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have read this several times already, I know. I have done it myself, last Christmas, it worked a treat, I've even looked at the Ov Pro Hints & Tips, Mail Merging, which seems to refer me to a Beebug page which is Not Found, but I seem to be missing something (besides the obvious grey cells), can someone refresh my brain, pls: I'm printing 2 cards to a sheet, I have a CSV list of names, I put "Dear [Merge 1][Merge 99]", using the mail merge facility, in the two appropriate places, I get the same name showing on each card, I _want_ the next name from the list. What am I missing/doing wrong? (Sobs into coffee....) TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 16:50:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113229 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 16:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944834995:10:07771:149; Fri, 10 Dec 99 14:09:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022557; 10 Dec 99 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08768 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:25:55 GMT Received: from alliance.lancs.ac.uk (alliance.lancs.ac.uk [148.88.17.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08763 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:25:53 GMT Received: from exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk ([148.88.17.22]) by alliance.lancs.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 11wQ2S-0002qz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:24:48 +0000 Received: by exchange-ims.lancs.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:24:53 -0000 Message-ID: <45EA1063C2F8D211915800204808343B3E1746@exchange1.lancs.ac.uk> From: "Sapey, Bob" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Lable Templates Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:24:46 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I used the !Labeller applet last night and found it excellent. All you need is a ruler to measure your labels and input them to the labels dialogue box. Bob Sapey > -----Original Message----- > From: bkirk@argonet.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: Friday, December 10, 1999 11:19 AM > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Lable Templates > > On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (14:31:46), steve.harratt@ukgateway.net wrote: > > Hello All > > > > Now that I am getting used to Ovation, I would like to set up some > > label files, for the label stock I already have. > > > > I have looked at all the places on the net, so as to avoid re inventing > > the wheel but cannot find the one's I need, which are for Avery labels, > > reference > > > > J8165 99.1*67.7 (8) to a sheet > > L18-250 66*46.5 (18) to a sheet > > L21-50 66*38 (21) to a sheet > > L7656 46.11.11 (84) to a sheet > > > > I would be extremely grateful if anyone could guide me to a site where > > I might find such templates. > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve > > > > Hi Steve, > > I have some Avery sized label layouts mad to fit standard sized Avery type > labels. > They are, > L7161 63.5 x 46.6 (18 on a sheet) > L7159 64 x 34 (24 on a sheet) > L7160 63.5 x 38.1 (21 on a sheet) > L7164 63.5 x 72 (12 on a sheet) > > If these are any use I will try and send by email to you (which I have not > done > yet) or if you give me your snailmail address I will send a copy of the files > to you on disc. > > Cheers > > Bryan. > -- > __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ > |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / > | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines > ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 18:45:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113242 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 18:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944848391:20:02836:35; Fri, 10 Dec 99 17:53:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127059; 10 Dec 99 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09471 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:37:39 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f44.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09466 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:37:37 GMT Received: (qmail 74522 invoked by uid 0); 10 Dec 1999 17:36:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.44.37.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 09:36:04 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.44.37.66] From: "Jonathan Overett Somnier" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !Ignore applet Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 17:36:04 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've written a new applet called !Ignore which you can find at Christ Johnson's Ovation Pro website at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ !Ignore extends the categories of words that the spellchecker will ignore. Currently these are: * Words containing numbers, eg postcodes * Words starting with capital letters, eg names * Roman numerals * Words containing apostrophes (the segments either side of the apostrophe are checked instead) Each of these options can be separately selected and saved. If you have any ideas for further options please let me know. Jonathan ==================================================================== Jonathan Overett Somnier 36 Trafalgar Street, York. YO23 1HZ Jonathan_Overett@bigfoot.com Tel : +44 (0)1904 640860 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 19:33:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113260 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:33:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944851668:20:14316:23; Fri, 10 Dec 99 18:47:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014400; 10 Dec 99 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09685 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:29 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09675 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:24 GMT Received: (qmail 29738 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:31:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14577 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:27:18 -0000 Received: from a152-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.152) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:27:18 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:04:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Dec, Richard wrote: > On Wed 8 Dec 1999 (21:31:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>Would it be possible (theoretically? practically? in Ovation Pro?) to > >>have an option to make tab stops relative (linked to the font size) or are > >>the roots of > > > >Well could be done, but unlikely. > > > > Thanks for the reply David, I'll think on! This strikes a vague recollection, in typesetting there is a standard unit of measure the em - defined as the width as a capital M, which has the same width as the point size. (The exact size of a cap M may not be an em wide depending on the font design.) This measure is implicit in the em-dash, and halved in the en-dash. If David ever thought of adding the proportional or relative tab stops I suggest using a ruler marked in ems, which is derived each time from the current font size. ISTR that typesetters used to refer to three space sizes - em, en and thin. An em space was used after a bullet, an en space is the usual one between words, and thin spaces were used to modify word spacing for justification. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 19:33:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113264 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:33:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944853736:10:15001:503; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:22:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125302; 10 Dec 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09679 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:25 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins0.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09666 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:22 GMT Received: (qmail 25826 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:31:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins0.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:31:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 14574 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:27:17 -0000 Received: from a152-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.152) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:27:17 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:35:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <384FF7FE.6E434815@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 09 Dec, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > I like table mate designer. But it lacks enough mathematical > functions to do most of the jobs. Thus I spend more time > pushing buttons on my calculator than typing into TMD > This sounds more like you need a spreadsheet table importing to OPro with OLE editing available. Do any of the RiscOS spreadsheets have the capability? Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 19:33:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113265 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:33:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944853917:10:28239:19; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:25:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005662; 10 Dec 99 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09683 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:27 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins0.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09671 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 18:32:23 GMT Received: (qmail 25835 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:31:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by merlins0.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:31:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 14569 invoked from network); 10 Dec 1999 18:27:14 -0000 Received: from a152-07-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (195.166.140.152) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Dec 1999 18:27:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 13:33:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <113071@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 09 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >but the lack of good table handling in OvPro. > > Define good table handling? > > > Obviously as of now there is none. > > > > > David Pilling Please excuse me butting in to this thread in the middle. I have rarely used a table facility, preferring to work with tab stops. I'm not particularly keen on line rules all over the place anyway. Most of the tables I have produced were statistical, with a description in the first column and row upon row of numbers. Tabs are fine for this sort of table, the faff comes when the data will fit the available space but column heads need angling - each becomes a separate frame at the appropriate angle and aligned to each other. The tables I now regularly produce in OPro are rotas with a date and a number of names (each on a separate tab stop) per line, or a diary with day, date, time and event details on tab stops with event details as a hanging indent when necessary. The only time I remember using Word's table feature (in the midst of a PageMaker document) was for text tables with variable amounts of text in each column and row. (I only handled one document in a series and was quite glad to see the others given to someone else). Yesterday I helped a friend who has been using tables (in Word) for preparing minutes of meetings with numbered points, hanging indent and a first column headed Action for the initials of the person responsible for the action on that point. When I showed her tabs she was amazed at how easy they are and complained at the headaches she has had in the past with tables. (The wordprocessing course she went on when she first got her computer covered tables but not tabs! - a wrong emphasis for a complete beginner). The only feature I might use in OPro to improve tables (if it was available) would be to add a rule of defined weight above or below a line (or paragraph - it could become another of the features of a style) to indicate top and bottom limits, and possibly (lighter) to separate headings from the body or a total line from the body above. For me tables are not an issue in OPro, others have already written that their needs are different. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:33:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113272 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:33:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944855444:10:23975:18; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:50:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125306; 10 Dec 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10199 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:14 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10182 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:08 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVoh-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:34:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:21:41 GMT Message-Id: <113252@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 or 2.52? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But please clarify the line that says "future upgrades will be based on >2.52". Do you mean upgrades will also be based on 2.46, or do I somehow have >to get a copy of 2.52 if I want to upgrade in the future? In future I expect to provide upgrades from 2.46 and 2.52 to whatever the new version is. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:33:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113273 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:33:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944855473:10:24486:16; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:51:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023802; 10 Dec 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10203 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10194 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVop-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:35:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:30:56 GMT Message-Id: <113258@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What about generalising the page/chapter number to have named registers Something like that. Interesting comment, a bit like Framemaker does it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:33:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113276 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:33:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944857126:10:02013:44; Fri, 10 Dec 99 20:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002021; 10 Dec 99 20:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10186 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10178 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVol-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:35:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:24:04 GMT Message-Id: <113254@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet - screen option? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be possible to ad a 'screen' option to the dialogue, as used in >the picture menu, making it possible to change LPI settings? Yes if this is really needed, it is no problem to add. >(Speaking about graduated fills: do you think that we can expect a high >quality postscript output for them in the near future?) Yes real soon, I am working on it now. Interestingly only level 3 PS supports shading, on the older versions one has to repeatedly draw the shape in various colours. This is how ArtWorks for example does it. So I'm a bit nervous about how things will turn out. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:34:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113278 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:34:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944858150:10:24477:19; Fri, 10 Dec 99 20:35:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113499; 10 Dec 99 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10367 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:51:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA10362 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:51:02 GMT Received: from (62.188.151.108) [62.188.151.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wW3A-000697-00; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:49:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1999 22:27:39 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Modifying default frame fill colour Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 9 Dec 1999 (19:45:01), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >Setting default attributes on objects > Thank you (again!) David. I'll set up a new Default document. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:34:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113280 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944854803:20:18569:22; Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:40:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018502; 10 Dec 99 19:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10034 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:18:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10029 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:18:58 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVYA-000Bod-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:17:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !Ignore applet Message-ID: <496e5cac5cian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <19991210173604.74521.qmail@hotmail.com>, Jonathan Overett Somnier wrote: > I've written a new applet called !Ignore which you can find at Christ ^^^^^^ > Johnson's Ovation Pro website at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Presumably this is just a seasonal elevation. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 10 21:34:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113284 for opro ; Fri, 10 Dec 99 21:34:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944856456:20:12524:20; Fri, 10 Dec 99 20:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103527; 10 Dec 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10189 for ; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:36:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wVom-000Iqr-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Dec 1999 19:35:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 99 19:27:48 GMT Message-Id: <113256@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail Merging -- yet again (sorry) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've even looked at the Ov Pro Hints & Tips, Mail Merging, which seems >to refer me to a Beebug page which is Not Found, All the Beebug pages are toast now - gone forgotton. What you want is the document on making use of the new mail merge features which is available from the file/resources section of the OPro areas on my sites (URL below). >I put "Dear [Merge 1][Merge 99]", using the mail merge facility, in the >two appropriate places, >I _want_ the next name from the list. >What am I missing/doing wrong? Set up field 99 to step to the next record? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:12:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113312 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:12:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944892577:20:04966:17; Sat, 11 Dec 99 06:09:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004900; 11 Dec 99 6:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA11637 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:41:14 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA11632 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 05:41:10 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-1-1-019.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.8.19]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E63A615757 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:39:58 +0900 (JST) Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 14:40:40 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail Merging -- yet again (sorry) :-) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113256@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >I've even looked at the Ov Pro Hints & Tips, Mail Merging, which seems > >to refer me to a Beebug page which is Not Found, > > All the Beebug pages are toast now - gone forgotton. > > What you want is the document on making use of the new mail merge features > which is available from the file/resources section of the OPro areas > on my sites (URL below). > > > >I put "Dear [Merge 1][Merge 99]", using the mail merge facility, in the > >two appropriate places, > >I _want_ the next name from the list. > >What am I missing/doing wrong? > > Set up field 99 to step to the next record? > :-) What I _really_ admire about this group is their ability to read minds/see round blind corners/predict the future! Wonderful. Thank you David. Spot on. Doh! (creeps into corner & hides...) Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:12:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113314 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:12:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944911984:10:23017:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 11:33:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022926; 11 Dec 99 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:02:23 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12194 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:02:21 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA20862 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:58:43 GMT Received: (qmail 1005 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 10:59:05 -0000 Received: from useri598.uk.uudial.com (HELO useri598) (194.69.106.208) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 10:59:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 02:53:44 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Labels in OvationPro Message-ID: <1d4c036e49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello All I have just upgraded to version 2.56, and I am very pleased that it was far easier and less traumatic than my recent upgrade to RiscOs 4 and a larger hD connected to APDL's interface card. At last my system seems to be settling down and becoming realiable. What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating labels, and sendind text to them. I may of course be missing a way of already doing it, and if so please excuse me. I have for years used Pipedream and Fireworkz and have settled on a way of producing lables, but I would like to use OP to do them. In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to each label, and I would like to do it in OP. So as you now say you are going to work on the text side a little more, can you do something with the labels, please. Thank you, and keep up the good work. Bye the way the talk for paid upgrades seems to have subsided, but i am prepared to pay for your services. ### please read programming services David ;) ### Cheers Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:13:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113316 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:12:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944913132:10:16445:18; Sat, 11 Dec 99 11:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016432; 11 Dec 99 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12366 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:36:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12360 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:36:13 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.133) [193.149.80.133] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wkCg-0002aE-00; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:56:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1999 08:46:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: <496e239ad3steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113141@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Autonumbered lists? auto numbered paragraphs > Yes they (as is often said) are already in the program in half finished > form. Hack at bit here and there and they sort of work too, but I think I've said that before as well. Does tend to fall over at intervals though... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 11 14:13:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113317 for opro ; Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944908544:20:15919:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 10:35:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015824; 11 Dec 99 10:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12100 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:21:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12095 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:21:42 GMT Received: from (62.188.151.94) [62.188.151.94] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wi3I-0007RA-00; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:38:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:31:46 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: auto-font size? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Erm, a *very* long shot. Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different lengths? -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:14:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113341 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:14:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944931604:20:01875:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:00:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001813; 11 Dec 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12961 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12956 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wpEW-000Cmf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:18:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:59:04 GMT Message-Id: <113326@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: auto-font size? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display >all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different >lengths? No. Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that computers are here to make your life easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:14:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113343 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:14:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944932742:20:15935:16; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:19:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015883; 11 Dec 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13223 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:05:27 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA13218 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:05:24 GMT Received: (qmail 4036 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from 66-133.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.133) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 17:04:08 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:57:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: applet problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have lost the option in the sub-menu from at the bottom of the main menu. I am using v.2.56. Looking back through earlier versions as far as 2.52 it is missing from all of them. Can anyone explain why and is it retrievable? In fact it is not terribly important because some time ago David P provided a script file and a sprite to allow the applets menu to be accessed from the button bar and I find this an easier method than from the menu although I still view his sprite (an apple) as an alien icon on my RiscPC!! One thing I have installed on the button bar for example is together with a suitable sprite. This works fine when reformatting an imported text with less than full-width lines. However, if by chance, the JoinLine applet is either disabled or not present in the applets directory of OvPro and I click on the button, then the computer crashes with a error and one has to reboot OvPro and start again. This looks like a bug. A recoverable error message would be better than a fatal crash. I was just a little disappointed when I installed v2.56 to find that the tool still does not work correctly i.e. as in earlier versions before RiscOS4 - something I pointed out a while ago. Formerly one pressed select and dragged the mouse with a double click on select to finish the line. Since RiscOS4 this does not work and to finish one has to click select then click adjust - not so easy. Perhaps it will be improved again in the next upgrade? Otherwise 2.56 is fine and a pleasure to use. -- Maurice Edmundson=====================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:15:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113348 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:15:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944953154:20:12526:37; Sat, 11 Dec 99 22:59:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123623; 11 Dec 99 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14154 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:45:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA14149 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:45:10 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.58) [193.149.77.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wvEz-0004t9-00; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 22:43:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:26:09 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <496EE77C42%mik@xemik.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 Subject: Fully Justified X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I produce a mag' which is fully justified throughout. Part of the doc' requires a date with details to the right (first line tabbed) which may be more than one line of text. This requires a hanging indent, but the first line is often not justified (all other lines are justified correctly). But if I put an image to the right, the text does not justify to the image. Is there a problem with justified text and hanging indents, or am I doing something wrong? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Last but not least, avoid cliches like the plague; seek viable alternatives. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:15:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113355 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:15:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945019187:20:19349:16; Sun, 12 Dec 99 17:19:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019188; 12 Dec 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16105 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:51:52 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16100 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:51:51 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11xCCQ-000DZ1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:50:19 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:46:27 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: References: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, you wrote: > Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can > show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show > though). Is this possible in OvPro? Yes. Ctrl-G will do this. There's also a menu option and a ready-made macro button (although ISTR that you have to turn it on in the macro dialogue box first). John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Mon Dec 13 17:15:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113358 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:15:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945027279:20:29101:0; Sun, 12 Dec 99 19:34:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122843; 12 Dec 99 19:34 GMT Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=romsley) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xElS-000JCf-0A for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:34:38 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 06:49:14 GMT From: Angus Mackenzie To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Labels in OvationPro Message-ID: <7a87206f49.angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> References: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: At Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (04 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R In message <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Steve Harratt and David Pilling wrote: > > >What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating > >labels, > > >In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to > >each label, and I would like to do it in OP. > > I don't see the problem, I've just printed a load of Xmas card lables > which incorporate lots of clip art. > > > David Pilling > Well for example yesterday I did some labels thus; 1) blank A4 master page 2) add a label-sized frame with appropriate top margin and ignoring print borders 3) add a frame inside this for clip art 4) and another for text: these last two inside print margins 5) use group, copy and paste to put three across the page 6) group all three and then repeat step 5 down the page 7) print away - they looked fine. However, was there an easier way to position them all which I overlooked? Did I need three frames per label? -- Dr Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Acorn RiscPC user "In all likelihood, world inflation is over" The M D of the International Monetary Fund, 1957 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:17:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113364 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:17:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945078316:20:27859:18; Mon, 13 Dec 99 09:45:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125255; 13 Dec 99 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17943 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:41 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17938 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:38 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08649 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:31 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:22 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:21 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6BF@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Printing fills - sometimes Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:26:18 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, Congratulations on version 2.56. I briefly tried the fill applet - it looks good on a very short trial. However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I tried a red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - printed well in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not even show as shading (colour photographs printed both times - showing up well in monochrome.) Did not have time to investigate - any thoughts? Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:17:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113366 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:17:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945080217:20:02544:30; Mon, 13 Dec 99 10:16:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002527; 13 Dec 99 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18020 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:48:01 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18015 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:59 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16488 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:54 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:50 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:50 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6C0@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 09:47:49 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, Maurice Edmundson [maured@eurobell.co.uk] wrote: >In fact it is not terribly important because some time ago David P provided >a script file and a sprite to allow the applets menu to be accessed from the >button bar and I find this an easier method than from the menu although I >still view his sprite (an apple) as an alien icon on my RiscPC!! I don't remember this and cannot find it on the web site (perhaps I am not looking in the right place). It would be useful - can anybody point me in the right direction. Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:21:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113375 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:21:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944931605:10:06733:19; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:00:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124704; 11 Dec 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12926 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:07:46 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12921 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:07:44 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop1-9.access.ch [212.161.128.9]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15524 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 17:06:27 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:51:46 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Weird effect in OCR-text To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <383421C1.24C283BF@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov, J. Konietzko wrote: > I am currently scanning some lecture notes (with David Pilling's scanning software/Sleuth3),saving > the OCRed text as RTF and dragging it into Ovation Pro (v.2.53). > Most pages then look more or less like the originals; for some reason on some > pages most of the line breaks are lost, giving a few large blocks of text > instead of long lists of one line items. > I then compare with the original, look for the line beginnings, click and > press Return. > Now for the weird part: very occasionally a line beginning jumps to the > middle of the page (about 110 mm to the right of the other line beginnings), > and I can find no way of removing this space; actually, it does not seem to > exist for Ovation, because, if I click onto some spot left of the text, the > cursor appears below the mouse pointer on the next line. > Any suggestions? The problem probably lies with the OCRing package. A scanned text may hold spots or whatever, not really understandable for the OCRing program. After text rendering it can be that the file contains some invisible tokens which, when imported to OvPro (Ovation1 as well), give the result you see. These invisible tokens have space zero, so you cannot select them and therefore not delete them. My cure in these cases has been to select the space concerned including 1 or 2 visible tokens on either side of that space and delete that. Yes, you'll have to correct the deleted visible characters then. Hope this helps. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:23:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113376 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:21:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944931636:10:07900:19; Sat, 11 Dec 99 17:00:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007791; 11 Dec 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12967 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12962 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:20:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11wpEU-000Cmf-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 16:18:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 99 14:56:44 GMT Message-Id: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels in OvationPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating >labels, and sendind text to them ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hmm e.g.? >In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to >each label, and I would like to do it in OP. I don't see the problem, I've just printed a load of Xmas card lables which incorporate lots of clip art. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 17:42:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113379 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:42:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945105950:20:14263:68; Mon, 13 Dec 99 17:25:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127798; 13 Dec 99 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18999 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:54:05 GMT Received: from technetium.cix.co.uk (technetium.cix.co.uk [194.153.0.53]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18994 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:54:03 GMT Received: (from cix@localhost) by technetium.cix.co.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id QAA28919 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:53:32 GMT X-Envelope-From: Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 16:53 +0000 (GMT) From:(E J Phillips) Subject: Re: Labels in Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ejphillips@cix.compulink.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> I've had no problems in producing labels in OvPro. Just made my own matrix. John Phillips Cumbria in the North West -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 18:37:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113395 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 18:36:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944948766:10:29877:20; Sat, 11 Dec 99 21:46:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112902; 11 Dec 99 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13890 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:57 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA13885 for ; Sat, 11 Dec 1999 21:12:55 GMT Received: (qmail 13508 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 21:11:37 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 21:11:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 13147 invoked from network); 11 Dec 1999 21:01:54 -0000 Received: from a036-05-02.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.56.102.36) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1999 21:01:54 -0000 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 20:15:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: auto-font size? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <113326@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display > >all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different > >lengths? > > No. > > Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that computers > are here to make your life easier. > > In theory it must be possible. You (David) already have code to keep track of when text spills out of a frame and either move to the next linked frame, or display the overflow indicator, also some keeping track of when text reaches the end of the line (edge of the frame) and wrap it. The code to auto-size to fit could be lots of trial and error with pre-determined steps to try, either the standard sizes in the menu or a fixed number of points. To make it look more magic do the calculations but don't redraw the screen until you have the correct size - to entertain the user re-draw the screen for every attempt (should double the time it would take to do it manually!). Is this something which the knowledgeable could write as a macro, script or applet? Sorry to offer the start of the logic and then stop - I have never learned to program anything much, and prefer using OPro to trying to change it myself. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 18:42:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113397 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 18:41:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944961955:10:16128:16; Sun, 12 Dec 99 01:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016104; 12 Dec 99 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA14442 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:08:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA14437 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:08:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.154.143) [62.188.154.143] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11wxTa-0000OA-00; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:07:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 01:04:13 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: auto-font size? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 11 Dec 1999 (14:59:04), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >No. > >Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that >computers are here to make your life easier. :-) (and thanks for information...) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 19:34:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113409 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 19:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945001032:10:17830:16; Sun, 12 Dec 99 12:17:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108467; 12 Dec 99 12:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15378 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:47:53 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15373 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 11:47:51 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust20.tnt5.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.153.213.20] with SMTP for id MAA10865 (8.8.8/1.19); Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:46:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003e01bf4496$bc4f4cc0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: auto-font size? Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 12:32:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Saturday, December 11, 1999 6:02 PM, David Pilling wrote: > > >>Is there any way to automatically use the largest font size which will display >>all the imported text in a text box when mail merging variables of different >>lengths? > >No. > >Its a nice idea, but seems to be based on the misaprehension that computers >are here to make your life easier. !Organizer does something like that in the address book. Fontsize depends on the number of entries you want on a page combined with the number of lines in every entry. If you really want something you can't read on screen is a maximum of entries with more than six lines :-) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 19:34:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113414 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 19:34:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945014907:10:21629:19; Sun, 12 Dec 99 16:08:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021719; 12 Dec 99 16:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15903 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:54:16 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15898 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:54:14 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-12-23.easynet.co.uk [212.134.20.23]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A3ACC7B047 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:52:45 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 15:48:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Quick question Message-ID: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show though). Is this possible in OvPro? -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 19:34:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113418 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 19:34:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945046970:10:24345:17; Mon, 13 Dec 99 01:02:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122175; 13 Dec 99 1:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16959 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:47 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16954 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:32 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-2-119.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.119]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C942EDAFB9 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 00:04:28 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 23:33:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <496f7c755eray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, Ian Hamilton wrote: > Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can > show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show > though). Is this possible in OvPro? Yes. Either Menu...Vie...Options to get the View Options window and turn off the Guidlines, or you can access the window with Ctrl-Shift-O You will then only get the frame outline for the selected frame. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 21:18:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113449 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945117769:20:06229:63; Mon, 13 Dec 99 20:42:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007474; 13 Dec 99 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19559 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19554 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:29 GMT Received: from (194.69.104.20) [194.69.104.20] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11xc04-00042Z-00; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 20:23:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:20:04 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 13 Dec 1999 (09:26:18), michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk wrote: > I briefly tried the fill applet - it looks good on a very short trial. > > However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I > tried a red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - > printed well in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not > even show as shading (colour photographs printed both times - showing > up well in monochrome.) > It could be that the hues may have been too pale to print out in monochrome. Changing the Quality in the printer configuration dialogue box may help. Using 'Grey, halftoned (fine)' the range of greys is very limited. It is better using 'grey, diffused' and best of all using 'grey, halftoned'. The smaller number of printer dots to each halftone dot the smaller the range of tones that can be produced: a 3x3 block of nine dots can give 10 tones (including black and white); a 4x4 block can give 16 tones, etc. You could try changing the printer quality to 'grey, halftoned' but there is a trade-off between tonal range and definition. Check by printing off a full black - full white tonal range using the various qualities. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 21:49:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113461 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945121219:10:10778:24; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:40:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107866; 13 Dec 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19773 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19767 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xcv7-000PlY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:00:43 GMT Message-Id: <113443@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fully Justified X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I produce a mag' which is fully justified throughout. Part of the doc' >requires a date with details to the right (first line tabbed) which may be >more than one line of text. This requires a hanging indent, but the first >line is often not justified (all other lines are justified correctly). But if >I put an image to the right, the text does not justify to the image. As it stands OPro does not make sense of justified lines with tabs in. I could never see what the meaning of tab in a justified line was. However recently someone explained it to me, and one day I will implement this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 22:36:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113463 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945121988:10:23524:16; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:53:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121997; 13 Dec 99 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19768 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19760 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xcv6-000PlY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 20:56:14 GMT Message-Id: <113441@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have lost the option in the sub-menu from at the The normal reason would be that this menu only appears if some applets that want to make use of it are loaded. Another explanation I think is that some of the old (pre 2.45) 'script applets' upset things, but you should not be using them with new versions of the program. >One thing I have installed on the button bar for example is >of OvPro and I click on the button, then the computer crashes with a stack for trap handler> error and one has to reboot OvPro and start again. Obviously this should not happen... >I was just a little disappointed when I installed v2.56 to find that the > tool still does not work correctly i.e. as in earlier versions I am aware of this, it does seem to be wrong, ROSL deny any changes, yet I am sure it used to work differently. I will fix it in due course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 22:36:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113464 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945122338:20:11905:24; Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:58:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101700; 13 Dec 99 21:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19780 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19775 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xcvA-000PlY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:22:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:05:13 GMT Message-Id: <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I tried a >red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - printed well >in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not even show as shading >(colour photographs printed both times - showing up well in monochrome.) Rendering a fill is just rendering a sprite. There is some code which decides if that sprite should be in colour, or black and white, what the resolution is etc. The same code is used when you have a picture in an irregular frame (be interesting to compare results of a fill and such a picture). This is a possible problem area. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 13 22:36:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113466 for opro ; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:36:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945122788:20:17836:17; Mon, 13 Dec 99 22:06:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017626; 13 Dec 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19972 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:50:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19967 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:50:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xdMD-0004sr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 13 Dec 1999 21:50:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 99 21:45:10 GMT Message-Id: <113458@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >One thing I have installed on the button bar for example is >together with a suitable sprite. This works fine when reformatting an >imported text with less than full-width lines. However, if by chance, the >JoinLine applet is either disabled or not present in the applets directory >of OvPro and I click on the button, then the computer crashes with a stack for trap handler> Not so fast! Having tried this, it does not crash, it gives the correct error message. Which makes me wonder if your problem is not the usual RISC OS 4 + DDE thing. See quote below. One thing though this applet should have a button sprite, and my copy does not. Anyone seen the version with it? ====================================================================================== (3) Script language crashes Symptom: When compiling script language code which should produce an error, OvationPro crashes with a "trap in trap handler" error. Note this fits quite a wide range of situations, it might be an applet with an error in a script file loaded during program startup, it might be a typing mistake in a macro definition and that macro will only be compiled when you press a key or click on the button bar. Solution: The RISC OS 4 DDEUtils module 1.59 has a bug in it. It will cause this crash if there is no 'throwback' handler registered. So one workaround is to have a throwback handler present - i.e. have something like the Zap editor running and set up for throwback. Another alternative is to *unplug the DDEUtils module, on older versions of RISC OS it was not loaded by default. Yet another alternative would be to load the DDEUtils module from an older version of RISC OS. A fixed DDEUtils module is available from RISC OS Ltd. as part of a collection of patches for RISC OS 4. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113485 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945141954:10:05187:18; Tue, 14 Dec 99 03:25:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112597; 14 Dec 99 3:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20742 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:08:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20737 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:08:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xiJs-0007r0-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:08:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 02:22:41 GMT Message-Id: <113482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fill Applet 1.01 released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Version 1.01 of the fill applet is now on the web sites. The main new feature is PostScript support for graduated fills. This should put results on a par with ArtWorks etc. I would be interested to hear if anyone has problems. It also fixes the problems with silly skew values causing a crash. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113484 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945144414:20:20141:18; Tue, 14 Dec 99 04:06:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117444; 14 Dec 99 4:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA20860 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:36:22 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA20855 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 03:36:17 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-187.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.187]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA80297 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:05:55 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:52:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: Labels in OvationPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 11 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > >What I would like to see in OPro is a better, easier way of creating > >labels, and sendind text to them > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Hmm e.g.? > > > >In the other programs I can set sprites, drawfiles as backgrounds to > >each label, and I would like to do it in OP. > > I don't see the problem, I've just printed a load of Xmas card lables > which incorporate lots of clip art. > Some examples on one of the web sites could be useful then it may help a number of others. Cheers Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113486 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945158103:10:29661:16; Tue, 14 Dec 99 07:55:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121574; 14 Dec 99 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21283 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:36:16 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21278 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:36:14 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-2-228.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.228]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E18C7B037 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 07:35:56 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Ian Hamilton (NR)" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 14:26:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> In-Reply-To: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <496f51de72Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, Ian Hamilton wrote: > Impression has an option to switch showing of frame outlines. You can > show all of them or just the frame being edited (Borders still show > though). Is this possible in OvPro? Thanks John & Ray. I had seen this but somehow convinced myself it did something completely different. I thought it just applied to the horizontal & vertical guide lines that you can add by clicking on the ruler. -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 12:02:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113493 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945172246:20:13670:19; Tue, 14 Dec 99 11:50:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107042; 14 Dec 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21817 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:14 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21812 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:20:12 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-12-88.easynet.co.uk [212.134.20.88]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B230D7B184 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 11:19:51 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 23:54:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes Message-ID: <49700242adray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <113447@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >However I wonder about what decides whether the fill is printed. I > >tried a red to purple fill behind a heading - looked good on screen - > >printed well in colour but on a laser print in monochrome it did not > >even show as shading (colour photographs printed both times - showing > >up well in monochrome.) > Rendering a fill is just rendering a sprite. There is some code which > decides if that sprite should be in colour, or black and white, what > the resolution is etc. The same code is used when you have a picture > in an irregular frame (be interesting to compare results of a fill and > such a picture). I notice that if I apply a graduated fill to a frame, then the centre of the graduation is not in the centre of the frame, but way over to the left. Also, it would make sense to me if the Fill applet was available from the Object...Modify window, rather than being an item of its own at the bottom of the Object menu. The Fill colour box would then be more appropriate in the Fill window? As it stands we have Fill parameters scattered around a bit. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 14:16:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113502 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 14:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945178634:10:07619:20; Tue, 14 Dec 99 13:37:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126522; 14 Dec 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22102 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:07:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22097 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:07:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xrf4-000B9Y-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:06:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 12:20:30 GMT Message-Id: <113494@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing fills - sometimes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I notice that if I apply a graduated fill to a frame, then the centre of >the graduation is not in the centre of the frame, but way over to the >left. I think this is just that fills are centered on 0,0 which is the top left hand corner of a frame. >Also, it would make sense to me if the Fill applet was available from the >Object...Modify window, rather than being an item of its own at the >bottom of the Object menu. I agree with that. It ended up the way it is, because that is the way to do things as an extension. To work the other way every modify object window has to know and understand the fill applet. I suspect if you rummage around in the templates you'll find there are some unused icons for fills on some of the object windows. The most interesting of these would have allowed you to have a fill on the page background. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 17:18:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113506 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:18:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945187540:10:01103:153; Tue, 14 Dec 99 16:05:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018672; 14 Dec 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22424 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:34:32 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22419 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:34:30 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.99]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA3996 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:34:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:33:20 +0100 Subject: Fill Applet 1.01 released Message-ID: <4970582ef5delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Perfect! Well, almost perfect... I use a Lexmark 1200 DPI postscript printer, which still displays graduate fills as a (large) number of distinguishable shades of grey. The best way to avoid this, is using a coarser (is this the right term?) screen, e.g. 132 LPI, rather than 150 LPI. This is still true when printing at 2400 DPI. Therefore I would like to have control over the screen settings of fills. Do you think this could easily (= soon) be implemented? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 17:18:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113508 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:18:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945190743:10:10669:32; Tue, 14 Dec 99 16:59:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105213; 14 Dec 99 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22642 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:38:24 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22637 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:38:22 GMT Received: (qmail 15272 invoked from network); 14 Dec 1999 16:37:58 -0000 Received: from 66-161.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.161) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 14 Dec 1999 16:37:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 16:37:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: applet problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667" X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This message is in MIME format. If you are reading this text, then your mail package doesn't fully support MIME - there may be a newer release available from your supplier. Created using the !Marcel mail package from ANT Ltd --57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE When an applet is called from the button bar, the computer crashes if the applet is disabled or is not present. Thankyou for your help with this one. I hadn=91t realised it was a RiscOS4 bug. Just to test this I *unplugged DDEUtils module and I then got the correct error message without any trap handler crash. Obviously the correct solution is for me to contact RiscOS4 and obtain the new patches.=20 The sprite I use for JoinLine on the button bar is attached. Not very adventurous but it serves the purpose unambiguously! The loss of the applets option on the main menu sub-menu I have not yet solved. I have tried various sets of applets in an effort to see if one was causing the problem, but so far without success. So far as I know the applets which are installed are recent versions. The button macro seems to serve the same purpose so I am not unduly bothered. One just likes to fathom the cause of strange occurences.=20 --=20 Maurice Edmundson=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3Demail:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. --57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667 Content-Type: APPLICATION/RISCOS; NAME="joinlines,ff9"; TYPE=Sprite; LOAD=&fffff949; EXEC=&3c4c17ac; ACCESS=&03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 AQAAABAAAAC0AAAApAAAAGpvaW5fbGluZXMAAAIAAAAJAAAAAAAAAAcAAAAs AAAALAAAAAwAAAAREREREREREREAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAu7u7ALsAABAA AAAAALsAALsAABAAAAAAALsAALsAABAAAACwALsAALsAABAAAACwu7sAALu7 uxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAREREREREREREAAAA= --57127-1603566409-945189461=:1904222667-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 17:34:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113515 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:34:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945192227:20:26285:36; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:23:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026237; 14 Dec 99 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22732 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:03:06 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22727 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:03:04 GMT Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 11xvLU-0004nV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:02:40 +0000 Message-ID: <38567830.2AB3@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:02:40 +0000 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? References: <113165@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >I don't think DP is the one to talk to about tables in OP - George > >Buchanan of Dalriada is probably more useful. > > Perhaps I'd better say tables are further down the list than bullets. > And the tables you're likely to get are not likely to be the same > as GB's - not a threat to him is what I'm struggling to explain. Would table production be conceivable using an applet or macro that creates a grid of evenly spaced equally sized frames? This would (for instance) allow easy modification for different coloured cell backgrounds or borders. Are there reasons why this approach would be hideous? Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 18:33:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113518 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 18:33:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945193978:20:28930:22; Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:52:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028931; 14 Dec 99 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22928 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:36:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22923 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:36:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xvs4-000OSh-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:36:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:31:11 GMT Message-Id: <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The sprite I use for JoinLine on the button bar is attached. Not very >adventurous but it serves the purpose unambiguously! Thanks, but what worries me is that Beebug obviously produced that applet with a button sprite of their own - so where did it go? >The loss of the applets option on the main menu sub-menu I >have not yet solved. I have tried various sets of applets in an effort to I think you have to look in the main Library and Autorun folders. Either there is a file in there which should not be, or (far fetched) you've got an old version of one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 18:33:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113521 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 18:33:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945194722:20:16471:23; Tue, 14 Dec 99 18:05:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016219; 14 Dec 99 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22921 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:36:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22916 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:36:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xvs1-000OSh-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:36:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:23:12 GMT Message-Id: <113511@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill Applet 1.01 released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I use a Lexmark 1200 DPI postscript printer, which still displays graduate >fills as a (large) number of distinguishable shades of grey. >The best way to avoid this, is using a coarser (is this the right term?) >screen, e.g. 132 LPI, rather than 150 LPI. >This is still true when printing at 2400 DPI. I'd be interested in a comparison with an Artworks file (or anything else) - in other words is it possible to get better results than I am doing? The technique is to fill the area with a number of strips, each strip with a different brightness level. The number of strips is determined to be approximately the same as the lpi figure for the printer. So going from 150 to 100 lpi will produce less strips, less brightness levels. >Therefore I would like to have control over the screen settings of fills. >Do you think this could easily (= soon) be implemented? I have thought about this since last week, yes it can be done, probably easily enough, but it involves changes to the main program, so not before the next version is released. Obviously with a graphics file in OPro you can twiddle the screen values separately from the overall screen values for the document. Whilst playing with all this I spotted a catch (see below). Point is to get a decent screen value you have to open the screen box and click on OK, until you do that, results may be very coarse. ================================================================================ DP 203 There is a catch... If you open a new document and look at the PostScript screen setting it appears to be on. However new documents are not created with the necessary data structure to hold this setting. Only if OK is clicked on will the screen be set up. There is a related problem that style sheets do not save colour separation related information like screen settings. Fixed. However the problem will still be present in existing documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 18:33:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113522 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 18:33:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945195912:10:22986:24; Tue, 14 Dec 99 18:25:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014533; 14 Dec 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22969 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:39:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22964 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:39:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11xvuJ-0004D8-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 17:38:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 99 17:34:53 GMT Message-Id: <113516@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Would table production be conceivable using an applet or macro that >creates a grid of evenly spaced equally sized frames? This would (for >instance) allow easy modification for different coloured cell >backgrounds or borders. Are there reasons why this approach would be >hideous? John Wallace once set off down this road, yes it's hideous. There's a big overhead in memory and computation from all the individual frames, and then they don't auto resize like you'd desire. It might be OK for small grids - wish I could find his work - but far from ideal. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 21:08:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113532 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 21:08:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945205511:20:23261:37; Tue, 14 Dec 99 21:05:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023262; 14 Dec 99 21:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23661 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:48:59 GMT Received: from post.guernsey.net (post.guernsey.net [195.226.128.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23656 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:48:57 GMT Received: from ianhunter.guernsey.net ([195.226.141.36]) by post.guernsey.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA31194 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:49:29 GMT Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:47:23 GMT From: Ian Hunter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fills and text Message-ID: References: <199912131656.QAA19010@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199912131656.QAA19010@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.71) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I expect to have some fun with Fill, however it brings me to a question? Is there any way of producing or making text that has a white (or contrasting) border so that it stands out and is readable against a dark background, whilst still keeping it as a text object? -- Ian Hunter, Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 21:59:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113538 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 21:59:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945207679:10:16411:16; Tue, 14 Dec 99 21:41:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129908; 14 Dec 99 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23756 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:11:25 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23751 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:11:24 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11xzDm-000PNY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:10:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <49707673a4ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The sprite I use for JoinLine on the button bar is attached. Not very > >adventurous but it serves the purpose unambiguously! > Thanks, but what worries me is that Beebug obviously produced that applet > with a button sprite of their own - so where did it go? The joinline sprite is still in my version and can be switched on from the Macro Menu. But I cannot for the life of me find the sprite - not in buttons22, the applet itself or any other sprite file in OvPro - sorry! > >The loss of the applets option on the main menu > >sub-menu I have not yet solved. I have tried various sets of applets in > >an effort to > I think you have to look in the main Library and Autorun folders. Either > there is a file in there which should not be, or (far fetched) you've > got an old version of one. > David Pilling I also still have my applets on a button - but I have just noticed that there is no longer enough space on the menu to display the whole of the keyboard shortcuts. Have the templates changed? Ian Lowry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 23:11:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113540 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 23:11:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945209526:10:14109:18; Tue, 14 Dec 99 22:12:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104246; 14 Dec 99 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23951 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:53:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23946 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:53:50 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.253) [193.149.81.253] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11xzsl-0001Es-00; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:53:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:04:02 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <497070F794%mik@xemik.com> References: <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> In-Reply-To: <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> "Ian Hamilton (NR)" wrote: > Thanks John & Ray. I had seen this but somehow convinced myself it did > something completely different. I thought it just applied to the > horizontal & vertical guide lines that you can add by clicking on the > ruler. One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended beyond the selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to quickly line up the frame with other frames/text. Yes, I do use the X/Y co-ords when I want more precise positioning, but more often than not I don't need it to be /that/ accurate (just quick). Is this sort of thing possible in OPro? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Space isn't remote at all. It's only an hour's drive away if your car could go straight upwards. Sir Fred Hoyle -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 14 23:11:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113542 for opro ; Tue, 14 Dec 99 23:11:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945210199:10:24532:21; Tue, 14 Dec 99 22:23:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024115; 14 Dec 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23958 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:54:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23953 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:54:03 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.253) [193.149.81.253] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11xzt2-0001Es-00; Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:53:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 20:09:01 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fully Justified Message-ID: <4970716C9A%mik@xemik.com> References: <113443@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113443@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <113443@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > I produce a mag' which is fully justified throughout. Part of the doc' > > requires a date with details to the right (first line tabbed) which may > > be more than one line of text. This requires a hanging indent, but the > > first line is often not justified (all other lines are justified > > correctly). > As it stands OPro does not make sense of justified lines with tabs in. > > I could never see what the meaning of tab in a justified line was. However > recently someone explained it to me, and one day I will implement this. I suppose in my example a tab does make sense because there are still left/right margins. The tab simply ensures that the first line of text is at the left margin. After I read your comments I had a thought... I removed the tab & the text lined up on the left margin anyway. Unfortunately, the right didn't. :o( But it seems that the tab-to-margin isn't req'd. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Just when I was getting used to yesterday, along came today. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:35:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113558 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945228640:10:05090:16; Wed, 15 Dec 99 03:30:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004676; 15 Dec 99 3:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24701 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:03:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24692 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:03:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11y4iq-000HI7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:03:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 01:47:54 GMT Message-Id: <113553@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quick question X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended beyond the >selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to quickly line up the >Is this sort of thing possible in OPro? Not at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:35:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113557 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945228951:20:28041:18; Wed, 15 Dec 99 03:35:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124190; 15 Dec 99 3:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24704 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:03:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24697 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:03:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11y4ir-000HI7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 03:03:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 01:50:17 GMT Message-Id: <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The joinline sprite is still in my version and can be switched on from the >Macro Menu. But I cannot for the life of me find the sprite - not in >buttons22, the applet itself or any other sprite file in OvPro - sorry! Look harder... (I would launch a file content finder on !OvnPro using the sprite name as a search string). >I also still have my applets on a button - but I have just noticed that >there is no longer enough space on the menu to display the whole of the >keyboard shortcuts. Have the templates changed? Why would templates affect short cuts? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:35:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113561 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:35:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945239325:10:04246:18; Wed, 15 Dec 99 06:28:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104609; 15 Dec 99 6:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA25138 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:59:47 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA25132 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 05:59:43 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id GAA06753 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:59:08 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11xsKr-000JKsC; Tue, 14 Dec 99 14:49 MET Message-ID: <38564B3E.1FCD@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:50:54 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: JPEG on-screen presentation References: <113107@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One of the (many, many) things I like about Ovation Pro is its ability to import JPEG files directly, without converting them first to sprites, as done by a certain other DTP program. There is one small drawback: I use a 256 colour screen mode, and the JPEGs are apparently not dithered; so, a photo that looks great in David Pilling's scanning software looks decidedly nasty in OvPro. I could of course switch to a 32000 colour screen mode, but that causes my monitor to flicker noticably at my chosen screen resolution. Is there anything I can do to show photos on screen in glorious full colour, or is that an ability OcPro lacks? Cheers, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:35:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113562 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:35:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945250224:20:23804:19; Wed, 15 Dec 99 09:30:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116839; 15 Dec 99 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25489 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:13:23 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25482 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:13:21 GMT Received: (qmail 15659 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 09:12:48 -0000 Received: from useri529.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.106.139) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 09:12:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:26:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <4970b4fc57dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The joinline sprite is still in my version and can be switched on from the > >Macro Menu. But I cannot for the life of me find the sprite - not in > >buttons22, the applet itself or any other sprite file in OvPro - sorry! > Look harder... > (I would launch a file content finder on !OvnPro using the > sprite name as a search string). [Snip] > David Pilling The sprite doesn't exist in the Buttons or Buttons22 Spritefile... It doesn't exist as a sprite in any other OvPro directory either. The only references to "joinline", are in the Applet itself. Interesingly, if you create a new (dummy) button in Macros, then click on the Sprite Menu, in the New button dialogue it will show in the Button box list of sprites "joinline" but even with the Button box still on screen and showing the joinline sprite it *cannot* be found anywhere within OvPro. One has to assume it's created by the Applet itself and added to the sprite pool...? Cheers Dave S I have a screen grab of the Button box window showing the damn thing, obviously I can't post it it the list. D. Ps: I do have a copy of the actual sprite linejoin, if anyone would like a copy of it, email me and I'll send. df.symes@argonet.co.uk or dfs@ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:35:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113565 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:35:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945250954:20:08262:17; Wed, 15 Dec 99 09:42:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008245; 15 Dec 99 9:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25494 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:13:25 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25488 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:13:23 GMT Received: (qmail 15665 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 09:12:50 -0000 Received: from useri529.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.106.139) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 09:12:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 08:38:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <4970b61542dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <113553@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113553@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113553@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended beyond > >the selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to quickly > >line up the Is this sort of thing possible in OPro? > Not at the moment. > David Pilling Okay, this is not what you are after precisely, but until the time... If you click on a Ruler mark both horizontal and vertical, it will run a dotted line from the ruler to the Master frame. Moved frames will... if brought close enough, lock to these lines. Additionally if you click on the dotted line it will temporarily become solid over the top of the master frame, giving a quick check that the assumed line up is okay. I use this method quite a lot, and while not perfect does help with alignments. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:36:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113566 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945255133:10:05392:22; Wed, 15 Dec 99 10:52:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108370; 15 Dec 99 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25815 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:50 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25810 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:48 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11yBYa-0005uM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 10:21:20 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <4970bf74d8C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <497070F794%mik@xemik.com> References: <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> <497070F794%mik@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497070F794%mik@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In message <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> > "Ian Hamilton (NR)" wrote: > > Thanks John & Ray. I had seen this but somehow convinced myself > > it did something completely different. I thought it just applied > > to the horizontal & vertical guide lines that you can add by > > clicking on the ruler. > One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended > beyond the selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to > quickly line up the frame with other frames/text. Yes, I do use the > X/Y co-ords when I want more precise positioning, but more often > than not I don't need it to be /that/ accurate (just quick). > Is this sort of thing possible in OPro? One thing you can do is to switch on "snap to objects" in the document view preferences. Then when dragging frames around, they snap to other frames in the same way as guidelines. This can be quite helpful when trying to line up objects. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 13:36:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113571 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:36:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945263971:20:07597:21; Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:19:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122848; 15 Dec 99 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26145 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:51:28 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA26140 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:51:26 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-6-67.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.67]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 84661DB001 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:50:51 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 00:05:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <49708716a4ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113513@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The sprite I use for JoinLine on the button bar is attached. Not very > >adventurous but it serves the purpose unambiguously! > Thanks, but what worries me is that Beebug obviously produced that > applet with a button sprite of their own - so where did it go? I never had a JoinLine sprite, and it's not in the buttons sprite file or inside the applet. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 15:55:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113584 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:55:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945267596:10:28668:44; Wed, 15 Dec 99 14:19:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028552; 15 Dec 99 14:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26319 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:00:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26309 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:00:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yExx-00004k-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:59:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:47:56 GMT Message-Id: <113580@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: JPEG on-screen presentation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there anything I can do to show photos on screen in glorious full >colour, or is that an ability OcPro lacks? See the stuff below from the NewFuncs doc. Plan B would be to generate a proxy image. ==================================================================================== Picture functions pixsetup() void pixsetup(int fontbits, int jpegbits, int spritebits, int spare2); Controls various aspects of picture plotting. This function is used to set defaults in the file !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom. The bits of parameter fontbits control enhanced background blending (font manager 3.35/RISC OS 3.60 and later). Enhanced background blending makes fonts easier to read when plotted on coloured backgrounds. Bit Meaning when set 0 Enable background blending. Bits 1 and 2 of jpegbits, control bits 1 and 2 of R1 in calls to JPEG_PlotFileTransformed (SpriteExtend 0.99/RISC OS 3.6 and later). Bit Meaning when set 1 Dither output when plotting 24 bit JPEG at 16bpp or below. 2 Dithering (if any) is full error diffused when plotting at 8bpp. This effects both JPEGs in picture frames, and Draw files. Bits 5 and 6 of spritebits, control bits 5 and 6 of R5 in calls to OS_SpriteOp 52 and 56 (SpriteExtend 0.99/RISC OS 3.6 and later). Bit Meaning when set 5 Enable wide translation tables. 6 Enable dithering when plotted a deep sprite to a reduced depth. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 15:56:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113587 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:56:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945267731:20:15960:21; Wed, 15 Dec 99 14:22:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102849; 15 Dec 99 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA26293 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:50:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26288 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:50:21 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.90.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yEoM-0000W9-00; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:49:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:58:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <4970cdd54aray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113555@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >The joinline sprite is still in my version and can be switched on from > >the Macro Menu. But I cannot for the life of me find the sprite - not > >in buttons22, the applet itself or any other sprite file in OvPro - > >sorry! > Look harder... > (I would launch a file content finder on !OvnPro using the sprite name > as a search string). Found it. Now that is one place I would /never/ have looked :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 15:56:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113588 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:56:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945268209:20:26614:29; Wed, 15 Dec 99 14:30:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026756; 15 Dec 99 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26321 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:00:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26314 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:00:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yExy-00004k-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:59:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 13:55:37 GMT Message-Id: <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One has to assume it's created by the Applet itself and added to the >sprite pool...? Fine so it exists inside the Join applets Resources directory? Applets can have a Buttons file. But my copy doesn't. >Ps: I do have a copy of the actual sprite linejoin, if anyone would like a >copy of it, email me and I'll send. Yes please... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 15:56:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113590 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:56:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945269257:20:19057:49; Wed, 15 Dec 99 14:47:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116316; 15 Dec 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26483 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:27:31 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26477 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 14:27:28 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.138]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FMSDG703.O12 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:26:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:21:10 +0100 Subject: Control of screen settings within fills Message-ID: <4970d569c7delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <113511@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113511@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > I'd be interested in a comparison with an Artworks file (or anything > else) - in other words is it possible to get better results than I am > doing? Yes, absolutely, because of screen setting control. > Going from 150 to 100 lpi will produce less strips, less > brightness levels. No. I am sorry, but this is definitely not true. Going from 150 to 100 lpi will produce MORE strips, and MORE brightness levels. (A smaller lpi means that more dots are used to produce the same line - therefore more shades. There is even a formula for it: number of shades = (dpi / lpi)^2. For example: when printing 1200 dpi, using 150 lpi screen, (1200/150)^2 = 64 shades of grey are possible. At 100 lpi: (1200/100)^2 = 144 shades of grey. But even 256 shades (which is standard - 2400 dpi and 150 lpi) is not always enough, as I have experienced more than once. Therefore a screen control of graduate fills is a real must, I am afraid... I hope that I made my point clear. It is an important item and I really hope that it will be implemented soon. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 15:56:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113591 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945271596:20:03914:20; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:26:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003252; 15 Dec 99 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26653 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:09:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26643 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:09:22 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yG2n-000O8O-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:08:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:02:52 GMT From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: <303bd97049.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: A bit off-topic, but... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've got a Postscript laser printer. The only application that I can get a decent graphics printout from is OvPro (although text is fine from everything), because that's the only one that seems to give me control over the screen used. Can anyone tell me how to get the printer to use proper screen values from other apps? TiA, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 15:56:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113593 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:56:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945272353:20:19244:24; Wed, 15 Dec 99 15:39:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104934; 15 Dec 99 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26655 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:09:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26647 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:09:23 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yG2p-000O8O-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 15:08:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 12:06:07 GMT From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: <700cc97049.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fill applet graduations X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just been experimenting with the new Fill applet (1.01) for the first time. When printing on my laser printer (Kyocera, 600dpi), I've noticed an odd effect. The graduations are very visible to the naked eye - with a 150lpi screen, I got only 14 graduations between black and white (both linear and radial fills); with a 100lpi screen, I got about twice as many graduations. How many _should_ there be? David has said that the number is related to the screen, but surely it should increase in proportion with the screen resolution rather than in inverse proportion? John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 17:20:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113602 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 17:20:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945277362:10:07099:20; Wed, 15 Dec 99 17:02:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107786; 15 Dec 99 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27176 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:21:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27171 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:21:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yHAH-000CRr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:20:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 16:06:54 GMT Message-Id: <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet graduations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just been experimenting with the new Fill applet (1.01) for the first >time. When printing on my laser printer (Kyocera, 600dpi), I've noticed an >odd effect. The graduations are very visible to the naked eye - with a 150lpi >screen, I got only 14 graduations between black and white (both linear and >radial fills); with a 100lpi screen, I got about twice as many graduations. >How many _should_ there be? I suspect you are a victim of the catch I outlined yesterday... Open a new document, look at the screen value... Hmm "Its 150 lpi". Well no it isn't actually, until you click on OK, on a new document there is *no* screen set. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 17:21:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113604 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 17:21:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945277011:20:27454:31; Wed, 15 Dec 99 16:56:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109420; 15 Dec 99 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27184 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:21:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA27178 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:21:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yHAJ-000CRr-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:20:35 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 16:09:22 GMT Message-Id: <113600@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Control of screen settings within fills X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >No. I am sorry, but this is definitely not true. >Going from 150 to 100 lpi will produce MORE strips, and MORE brightness With screening, you trade spatial resolution (lower) for magnitude resolution (greater). You are talking about magnitude resolution, I'm talking about spatial. Increase the lpi value and my code will produce less strips. A promise, I've even made it print out the numbers to check it is right. For example if you have a fill covering 1 inch, and there is a screen resolution of 150 lpi, then the code will produce 150 strips. There would be no sense in producing 256 strips. >Therefore a screen control of graduate fills is a real must, I am afraid... Fairynuff but in the meantime you can set the overall screen value for a document. (nb this works outside of colour seps, using the black value). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 17:54:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113613 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 17:54:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945280398:10:09799:99; Wed, 15 Dec 99 17:53:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005792; 15 Dec 99 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27455 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:04:20 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27450 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 17:04:17 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16047 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:03:14 +0100 Message-Id: <199912151703.SAA16047@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 15 Dec 1999 13:25:55 GMT Subject: Re: JPEG on-screen presentation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >There is one small drawback: I use a 256 colour screen mode, and the >JPEGs are apparently not dithered; so, a photo that looks great in >David Pilling's scanning software looks decidedly nasty in OvPro. >I could of course switch to a 32000 colour screen mode, but that causes >my monitor to flicker noticably at my chosen screen resolution. >Is there anything I can do to show photos on screen in glorious full >colour, or is that an ability OcPro lacks? > It seems You have a version of SpriteExtend older than 0.99 as can be gleaned from AutoRun.!Custom. We have 1.04 SpriteExt and JPEGs are always dithered (except at 32bpp). Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 19:20:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113617 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 19:20:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945284778:10:21657:16; Wed, 15 Dec 99 19:06:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126628; 15 Dec 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27873 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27867 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:49:25 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yJTk-000KtD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:48:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 18:15:21 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet graduations Message-ID: <9adaea7049.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > I've just been experimenting with the new Fill applet (1.01)... > > with a 150lpi screen, I got only 14 graduations between black and white > > with a 100lpi screen, I got about twice as many graduations. > > I suspect you are a victim of the catch I outlined yesterday... > Open a new document, look at the screen value... Hmm "Its 150 lpi". Well no > it isn't actually, until you click on OK, on a new document there is *no* > screen set. I don't think so. I created a test document with photos, text and fills. Went to the screen value: it's 150lpi. Clicked OK, printed. Went back, changed to 100lpi and got more graduations (and poorer quality photos). Changed it back to 150 and got fewer graduations again (and better photos again). It's definitely an inverse relationship here. Don't know why as I don't know anything about Postscript but there's definitely something odd going on. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 21:32:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113624 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945292053:20:17907:25; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:07:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017589; 15 Dec 99 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28234 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:52:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28229 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:52:21 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.125) [193.149.80.125] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yLOI-0005hT-00; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:51:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:32:15 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <4970F1E4C4%mik@xemik.com> References: <496fce395cIan.Hamilton@UkOnline.Co.Uk> <497070F794%mik@xemik.com> <4970bf74d8C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <4970bf74d8C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4970bf74d8C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended > > beyond the selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to > > quickly line up the frame with other frames/text. > One thing you can do is to switch on "snap to objects" in the > document view preferences. Then when dragging frames around, they > snap to other frames in the same way as guidelines. This can be quite > helpful when trying to line up objects. I generally have this on, but I sometimes want to tweak a graphic frame near text & grabbing the bottom etc of an ImpPub frame will produce a thin guideline. This is useful for centring the frame to a line of text for example. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ One's real life is often the life that one does not lead. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 21:32:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113626 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:32:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945293338:20:06898:20; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:28:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121459; 15 Dec 99 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28282 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:59:56 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28277 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:59:54 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.187]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA28BB for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:58:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:57:53 +0100 Subject: Control of screen settings within fills Message-ID: <4970f9bb9cdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Fairynuff but in the meantime you can set the overall screen value for > a document. Rather not, as this influences all graphics - also photographs that are better and crispier with 'only' 150 lpi. Photographs are less sensitive to the variety of shades than gradual fills. So I still opt for individual screen control of both pictures AND fills. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 21:32:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113627 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:32:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945291233:10:20154:28; Wed, 15 Dec 99 20:53:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122870; 15 Dec 99 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28117 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:18:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA28112 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:18:52 GMT Received: from (62.188.151.213) [62.188.151.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yKsI-0004hz-00; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:18:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:16:23 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: 'Go to end of text' Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've checked the archive but can't find any reference to a 'go to end of text' function. Is it possible to write a macro to do this? Thanks -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 21:32:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113628 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:32:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945292612:10:09207:35; Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:16:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119126; 15 Dec 99 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28298 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:00:42 GMT Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA28293 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:00:40 GMT Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust106.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.106]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id UAA16769 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:59:14 GMT Received: from catchline (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:41:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:40:22 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet graduations Message-ID: <3021f87049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9adaea7049.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Pettigrew wrote: > In message <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> > , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > I've just been experimenting with the new Fill applet (1.01)... > > > with a 150lpi screen, I got only 14 graduations between black and white > > > with a 100lpi screen, I got about twice as many graduations. > > > > I suspect you are a victim of the catch I outlined yesterday... > > Open a new document, look at the screen value... Hmm "Its 150 lpi". Well no > > it isn't actually, until you click on OK, on a new document there is *no* > > screen set. > > I don't think so. I created a test document with photos, text and fills. Went > to the screen value: it's 150lpi. Clicked OK, printed. Went back, changed to > 100lpi and got more graduations (and poorer quality photos). Changed it back > to 150 and got fewer graduations again (and better photos again). It's > definitely an inverse relationship here. Don't know why as I don't know > anything about Postscript but there's definitely something odd going on. > Not odd. It's how it is meant to work. Higher lpi = fewer grey scales. Although David Pilling explained that the postscript code creates more lines with higher resolution screen, you would probably need a magnifying glass (and believe me, anyone working with print always has one of these to hand!) to notice. What you would notice is the way these lines are bunched into bands of equal grey tone. And the lower the lpi the more gradations you will see. Of course, you improve the grey scales at the expense of resolution in the picture. So with aprinter which has a maximum resolution of 600 dpi your photos are either going to be preety contrasty or rather low resolution (looking like a poor newspaper photo). To be honest, I think even 100 lpi is pushing your luck on a 600 dpi laser printer, 85 is probably nearer the mark. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 22:21:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113633 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 22:21:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945295593:20:12115:23; Wed, 15 Dec 99 22:06:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012112; 15 Dec 99 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28579 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:49:41 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28574 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:49:39 GMT Received: (qmail 8495 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 21:49:00 -0000 Received: from usern124.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.157) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 21:49:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:34:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >One has to assume it's created by the Applet itself and added to the > >sprite pool...? > Fine so it exists inside the Join applets Resources directory? > Applets can have a Buttons file. But my copy doesn't. > >Ps: I do have a copy of the actual sprite linejoin, if anyone would > >like a copy of it, email me and I'll send. > Yes please... > David Pilling Sent by private email... There's only a two line "Messages" file inside my Joinline applets Resources directory. no Sprite file... textural or otherwise... So I'm still none the wiser. Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 15 22:57:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113638 for opro ; Wed, 15 Dec 99 22:57:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945298636:10:01909:17; Wed, 15 Dec 99 22:57:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101623; 15 Dec 99 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28824 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:23:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28819 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:23:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yMoY-0008N7-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:22:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 99 21:36:03 GMT Message-Id: <113629@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 'Go to end of text' X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've checked the archive but can't find any reference to a 'go to end of text' >function. Is it possible to write a macro to do this? A macro to do this is; {C_CDown} which is control cursor down, which jumps the caret to the end of the text. Another route would be to use bookmarks, and the functions for moving them around. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 00:28:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113639 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 00:28:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945300037:10:21903:17; Wed, 15 Dec 99 23:20:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022281; 15 Dec 99 23:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29016 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:41 GMT Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29011 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:39 GMT Received: (qmail 4717 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 23:04:59 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 23:04:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 15824 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 23:04:58 -0000 Received: from 217.02-01.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.217) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 23:04:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:41:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: 'Go to end of text' To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 15 Dec, Richard wrote: > I've checked the archive but can't find any reference to a 'go to end of text' > function. Is it possible to write a macro to do this? > > Thanks Doesn't Control-Down arrow do it (end of story) and Control-Up arrow gets you to the start of the story, Control-Left puts the cursor at the start of the current line and Control-Right to the end (just checked in Opro 2.56 - it does/they do). Also Shift-Up and Shift-Down move to the beginning of the current/previous and next paragraph respectively. AFAIR these have worked since Ovation (not Pro). Check the Quick Reference Guide for a whole bunch of other useful key-shortcuts. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 00:28:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113641 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 00:28:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945300956:20:02638:38; Wed, 15 Dec 99 23:35:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002080; 15 Dec 99 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29105 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:20:37 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA29100 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:20:35 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-5-50.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.50]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 59FE97B024 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:19:55 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 19:04:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Fill applet graduations Message-ID: <4970ef4fd4ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I suspect you are a victim of the catch I outlined yesterday... > Open a new document, look at the screen value... Hmm "Its 150 lpi". > Well no it isn't actually, until you click on OK, on a new document > there is *no* screen set. Would it be possible to have a screen set by default? Perhaps an option in Choices...Print choices? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 00:28:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113642 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 00:28:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945301148:10:07182:16; Wed, 15 Dec 99 23:39:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111973; 15 Dec 99 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29023 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:56 GMT Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins0.plus.net.uk [195.166.128.23] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29018 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:05:55 GMT Received: (qmail 28328 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 23:05:15 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins0.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 23:05:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 15864 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 23:05:13 -0000 Received: from 217.02-01.quay.dial.plus.net.uk (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.65.217) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 23:05:13 -0000 Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 22:51:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: A bit off-topic, but... To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <303bd97049.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 15 Dec, John Pettigrew wrote: > I've got a Postscript laser printer. The only application that I can get a > decent graphics printout from is OvPro (although text is fine from > everything), because that's the only one that seems to give me control over > the screen used. Can anyone tell me how to get the printer to use proper > screen values from other apps? > > TiA, > > John I guess this is the use of the lines in the printer definition file which refer to resolution. Make sure they match the resolution of the printer so the driver writes the best postscript for that resolution, especially in halftones. I've just tried looking in the Postscript pdf files using PrintEdit but it won't read any of them - maybe a wrong version of Printedit (v0.44 05 Oct 95) in Riscos 3.70 - and loading into a text editor doesn't show anything I want to try editing. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 00:28:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113644 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 00:28:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945303946:10:14521:21; Thu, 16 Dec 99 00:25:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014942; 16 Dec 99 0:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA29377 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:58:09 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA29372 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:58:08 GMT Received: (qmail 9426 invoked from network); 15 Dec 1999 23:57:27 -0000 Received: from user1250.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.250) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 1999 23:57:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 23:37:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net> References: <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > >Ps: I do have a copy of the actual sprite linejoin, if anyone would > > >like a copy of it, email me and I'll send. > > Yes please... > > David Pilling > Sent by private email... > There's only a two line "Messages" file inside my Joinline applets > Resources directory. no Sprite file... textural or otherwise... So I'm > still none the wiser. Mine joinline sprite is inside ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 of all places. I didn't put it there - honest. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113658 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945330945:20:07115:25; Thu, 16 Dec 99 07:55:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006639; 16 Dec 99 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30347 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:39:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA30342 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:39:26 GMT Received: from (62.188.154.6) [62.188.154.6] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yVUn-0004wl-00; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:38:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:36:44 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: 'Go to end of text' Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for the replies on this. (Sorry I can't do the usual courtesy of quoting the relevant bits - my e-mail's throwing a wobbly and I'm having to read new messages 'by hand'.) I discovered that I had created key-board macros for long forgotten odd functions which used {C_CDown} (and {C_CUp}), and took precedence over their usual functions. Both are now restored to their former (and more logical!) glory. Cheers, Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113660 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945349402:20:20902:20; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:03:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020159; 16 Dec 99 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA31374 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:46:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA31369 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:46:25 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.164) [62.188.133.164] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yaHp-0004xb-00; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:45:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 12:44:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Fill applet graduations Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 15 Dec 1999 (19:04:03 +0000), ray@magray.co.uk wrote: > In article <113598@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > I suspect you are a victim of the catch I outlined yesterday... > > > Open a new document, look at the screen value... Hmm "Its 150 lpi". > > Well no it isn't actually, until you click on OK, on a new document > > there is *no* screen set. > > Would it be possible to have a screen set by default? > > Perhaps an option in Choices...Print choices? > Hi David, My learning curve unfortunately is very steep, could you tell me please how to look at screen values in OvationPro. Cheers, Bryan, Bispham. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113661 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945313246:10:00171:16; Thu, 16 Dec 99 03:00:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107116; 16 Dec 99 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29874 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:31:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29869 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:31:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yQgg-0007ad-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 02:30:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 01:54:16 GMT Message-Id: <113651@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Mine joinline sprite is inside >ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 Well spotted. Thats where mine is too, and from my researches I'd guess that is where it has been ever since these applets first appeared. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113662 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945335169:10:24332:16; Thu, 16 Dec 99 09:06:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103323; 16 Dec 99 9:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30501 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:35:37 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30496 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:35:35 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11yWN8-000Kp3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:34:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:31:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <49713942f5ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> References: <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net> <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497108609cray@magray.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Mine joinline sprite is inside > ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 > of all places. I didn't put it there - honest. > Cheers, > Ray D Same Here. What a very strange place for it to be! Ian Lowry -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113664 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945339685:10:00393:19; Thu, 16 Dec 99 10:21:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000294; 16 Dec 99 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30801 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:06:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30795 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:06:31 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yXn7-0007Ir-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:05:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:05:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: !IdxPro and Ctrl-X To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I think this has been covered before - but how can I stop !IdxPro from preventing the Ctrl-X doing its normal Cut Text operation? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113665 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945340197:10:11870:30; Thu, 16 Dec 99 10:29:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110226; 16 Dec 99 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30745 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:00:05 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30740 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:00:04 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.56] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11yXgr-0005st-00; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:59:17 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:37:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:36:36 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A bit off-topic, but... Message-ID: <3e323f7149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Wed 15 Dec, John Pettigrew wrote: > > I've got a Postscript laser printer. The only application that I can get a > > decent graphics printout from is OvPro (although text is fine from > > everything), because that's the only one that seems to give me control over > > the screen used. Can anyone tell me how to get the printer to use proper > > screen values from other apps? > > > > TiA, > > > > John > > I guess this is the use of the lines in the printer definition file which > refer to resolution. Make sure they match the resolution of the printer so > the driver writes the best postscript for that resolution, especially in > halftones. > > I've just tried looking in the Postscript pdf files using PrintEdit but it > won't read any of them - maybe a wrong version of Printedit (v0.44 05 Oct 95) > in Riscos 3.70 - and loading into a text editor doesn't show anything I want > to try editing. PrintEdit doesn't do anything for postscript drivers. You can however, load them into a text editor - unless they are squashed in which case you need to unsquash them first. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 13:16:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113666 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:16:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945340689:10:21145:16; Thu, 16 Dec 99 10:38:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021072; 16 Dec 99 10:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30856 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:10:15 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30851 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:10:13 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA14511 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:09:27 GMT Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 10:09:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Here is a worrying problem. I retrieved 5 OvPro documents by a query in a correspendence database. Two of them loaded in the normal way by double clicking on the icon in the database window. The other 3 refused to load with a message to the effect that they had been produced by a newer version of Ovpro. My current version is 2.56. The ones which refused to load seemed to be slightly more recent: a year old as opposed to 15 months or so. I would be interested to know what caused this but more importantly, how do I retrieve my documents? Alf Chamings -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 14:48:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113683 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 14:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945352146:10:26072:18; Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:49:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112648; 16 Dec 99 13:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31507 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31500 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:43 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yb0d-000FtQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:31:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:20:30 GMT Message-Id: <113670@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet graduations X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My learning curve unfortunately is very steep, could you tell me please how to >look at screen values in OvationPro. Unless you have a PostScripr printer, forget all about this. These settings only affect PostScript output. Print-> Print Setup -> Separations -> Screen Or for individual Pictures Main Menu -> Picture -> Screen David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 14:48:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113684 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 14:48:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945353215:10:19945:17; Thu, 16 Dec 99 14:06:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111349; 16 Dec 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA31512 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31505 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:32:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yb0f-000FtQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:31:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 99 13:22:54 GMT Message-Id: <113672@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The other 3 refused to load with >a message to the effect that they had been produced by a newer version of >Ovpro. My current version is 2.56. Hmm. very interesting. If it said 'an older version' I could have understood it. Even so one obvious way to load them would be to use 2.52 or whatever version created them. I guess you'll have a copy of 2.52 or 2.46 lying around. Please can I have a look at an example? (to the address below) not to the list nor to opro@... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 16 23:14:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113718 for opro ; Thu, 16 Dec 99 23:14:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945383012:20:01845:16; Thu, 16 Dec 99 22:23:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112661; 16 Dec 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32696 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:05:28 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA32691 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:05:26 GMT Received: (qmail 11297 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 22:04:34 -0000 Received: from userbk69.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.144.77) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 22:04:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:11:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <49717ecdaedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> References: <113582@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net> <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497108609cray@magray.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <4970fd0f4edfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > > >Ps: I do have a copy of the actual sprite linejoin, if anyone would > > > >like a copy of it, email me and I'll send. > > > Yes please... > > > David Pilling > > Sent by private email... > > There's only a two line "Messages" file inside my Joinline applets > > Resources directory. no Sprite file... textural or otherwise... So I'm > > still none the wiser. > Mine joinline sprite is inside > ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 > of all places. I didn't put it there - honest. > Cheers, > Ray D Well bless my soul (I've just excised the rear entry reference)... no wonder !Filefind didn't find it... Who'd have thought it'd be in there. Thank Ray.. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 01:32:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113725 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 01:32:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945387296:20:27935:39; Thu, 16 Dec 99 23:34:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109741; 16 Dec 99 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00420 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:05:57 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00415 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:05:55 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-68.access.ch [212.161.130.196]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA09342 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:05:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:58:30 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Quick question To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4970b61542dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 15 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <113553@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended beyond > > >the selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to quickly > > >line up the Is this sort of thing possible in OPro? > > > Not at the moment. > > David Pilling > > Okay, this is not what you are after precisely, but until the time... > > If you click on a Ruler mark both horizontal and vertical, it will run a ......... snip Another quick way: "Show Grid" (ShftCtrl G). When using the mouse movements will usually lock to the grid (it can be deselected via the menu) but using the mouse (=press and hold mouse button) in combination with the cursor keys gives you fine tuning overruling the lock-grid set up. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 01:32:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113727 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 01:32:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945389652:20:00399:25; Fri, 17 Dec 99 00:14:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000061; 17 Dec 99 0:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA00598 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:58:41 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA00593 for ; Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:58:39 GMT Received: (qmail 14263 invoked from network); 16 Dec 1999 23:57:45 -0000 Received: from user1245.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.245) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Dec 1999 23:57:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 15:24:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro Message-ID: <49715f0b90ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > The ones which refused to load seemed to be slightly more recent: a > year old as opposed to 15 months or so. I would be interested to know > what caused this but more importantly, how do I retrieve my documents? Try loading the files into a text editor and altering the bit at the beginning that identifies the version number. Change it to 2.56 (05-Dec-99) making sure you don't mess up the zero bits in between. I haven't tried it, but it should work. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 13:59:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113734 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:59:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945400984:10:20113:17; Fri, 17 Dec 99 03:23:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123639; 17 Dec 99 3:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA01159 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:07:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA01154 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:07:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ynjO-000O1S-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 03:06:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 01:35:49 GMT Message-Id: <113731@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Change it to 2.56 (05-Dec-99) making sure you don't mess up the zero bits >in between. Hmm. The original report is rather odd. What you've just suggested won't make any difference... OPro files have a compatability level, the idea is to stop old versions of the program loading files produced by newer ones. The version number as mentioned above is not the compatability level. The only compatability level change ever, took place at 2.45/2.46. So a copy of 2.42 can't load a file from 2.45 or later. The only time the error Alf just reported will be issued is if the compatability level is wrong. So he may have been loading a >=2.45 file into a very old copy of OPro. Or he may have a file that has been corrupted perhaps by OPro, but more likely given the nature of the corruption, by the filing system it has been stored on. No doubt you can also hack the compatability level word, but what you're left with will probably crash. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 13:59:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113736 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:59:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945425173:20:27088:18; Fri, 17 Dec 99 10:06:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026704; 17 Dec 99 10:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01870 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:50:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01865 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:50:54 GMT Received: from (62.188.146.113) [62.188.146.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yu1J-0004tN-00; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:49:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:15:51 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: applet problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 16 Dec 1999 (01:54:16), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >Mine joinline sprite is inside > >ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 > > Well spotted. > > Thats where mine is too, and from my researches I'd guess that is where > it has been ever since these applets first appeared. > > Mine was there too, but where _should_ it be; inside the LineJoin applette AResources directory, or added to the general buttons pool in !OvResDir.UK.Buttons22 (or ...UK.Buttons). Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? 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Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 13:59:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113737 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:59:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945422918:10:20435:16; Fri, 17 Dec 99 09:28:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122580; 17 Dec 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01715 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:52:30 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01710 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:52:28 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.90) [193.149.81.90] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11yt6n-0003SJ-00; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:51:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 09:09:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <49713cb2cajodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113651@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113651@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 16 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >Mine joinline sprite is inside > >ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 > Well spotted. > Thats where mine is too, and from my researches I'd guess that is where > it has been ever since these applets first appeared. > David Pilling Very odd. My joinline applet contains a splendid sprite - far superior to the one in !ColPal.Aresources.Buttons22. Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 13:59:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113738 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:59:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945426261:20:17671:126; Fri, 17 Dec 99 10:24:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017837; 17 Dec 99 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01969 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:56:05 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01964 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:56:00 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16459 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:55:01 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13001 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:54:50 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: !IdxPro and Ctrl-X Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:54:02 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bf4874$a5d35540$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Hello > > I think this has been covered before - but how can I stop !IdxPro from > preventing the Ctrl-X doing its normal Cut Text operation? Hi, I don't think it has been covered. I spent an hour or two trying to dissect the relevant scripts last month, and found the problem. It's a single line change, but I can't remember it off the top of my head :-( I emailed David B, and he said he'd re-release the applet when he had time. I'll dig out the fix in the interim. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 14:00:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113746 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 14:00:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945436441:20:00202:18; Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:14:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000273; 17 Dec 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02477 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:46:15 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02472 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:46:13 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA26697 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:45:12 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:41:22 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113731@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 17 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >Change it to 2.56 (05-Dec-99) making sure you don't mess up the zero bits > >in between. > > Hmm. The original report is rather odd. > > What you've just suggested won't make any difference... > > OPro files have a compatability level, the idea is to stop > old versions of the program loading files produced by newer ones. > The version number as mentioned above is not the compatability level. > > The only compatability level change ever, took place at 2.45/2.46. So a > copy of 2.42 can't load a file from 2.45 or later. > > The only time the error Alf just reported will be issued is if the > compatability level is wrong. So he may have been loading a >=2.45 file > into a very old copy of OPro. Or he may have a file that has been corrupted > perhaps by OPro, but more likely given the nature of the corruption, by the > filing system it has been stored on. > > No doubt you can also hack the compatability level word, but what you're > left with will probably crash. > Quite right. I tried altering the version number (it was 2.50). Will send one of the offending files to DP as requested. Unfortunately I don't have 2.50 around any more and I guess 2.46 would complain of being too old. Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 14:00:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113747 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 14:00:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945437121:20:12266:17; Fri, 17 Dec 99 13:25:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012236; 17 Dec 99 13:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02549 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:10:47 GMT Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.66.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02544 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:10:43 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id CAA26435 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:09:40 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:19:06 +1300 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 01:19:03 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Relative tab stops? Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 14 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:09 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anthony Hilton writes: > Tabs are fine for this sort of table, the faff comes when the data will > fit the available space but column heads need angling - each becomes a > separate frame at the appropriate angle and aligned to each other. Have you considered a single frame with an angle of 45 degrees and a skew of -45 degrees? With a couple of macros/buttons for changing paragraph spacing in fine steps you can quite easily deal with this without needing to create dozens of small frames and moving them all when a column changes width. -- He was fired with enthusiasm because he wasn't fired with enthusiasm... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 16:10:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113765 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 16:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945443187:10:21456:17; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:06:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120776; 17 Dec 1999 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02872 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:49:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02864 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:49:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yyg5-000DxP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:48:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 14:21:53 GMT Message-Id: <113759@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Quite right. I tried altering the version number (it was 2.50). Will send one >of the offending files to DP as requested. Unfortunately I don't have 2.50 >around any more and I guess 2.46 would complain of being too old. I wish you'd stop talking about editing OPro files in Zap, you'll have me waking up in the night screaming. Changing the version number is *not* going to fix the error message. It is possible for OPro to use the version number to not load a file because it is *too old* [1], but not to give the *too new* message. Anyway I have now received one of the problem files, the trouble is that the first 4 bytes are missing. A proper file starts with the text "OvationPro", these start "ionPro". Inserting the missing bytes (using Edit - arrggh) allows the file to be loaded. All that remains is to discover how the bytes got lost? [1] produced with 2.05 or older David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 16:10:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113768 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 16:10:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945443923:20:19354:25; Fri, 17 Dec 99 15:18:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019130; 17 Dec 99 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02876 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:49:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02869 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:49:20 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11yyg6-000DxP-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:48:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 14:32:10 GMT Message-Id: <113761@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Mine was there too, but where _should_ it be; inside the LineJoin applette >AResources directory, or added to the general buttons pool in >!OvResDir.UK.Buttons22 (or ...UK.Buttons). Inside the LineJoin applette AResources directory David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 16:10:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113769 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 16:10:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945444803:20:05950:21; Fri, 17 Dec 99 15:33:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006029; 17 Dec 99 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02953 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:04:09 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02947 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:04:07 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA12759 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:03:05 GMT Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:03:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <113759@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 17 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Quite right. I tried altering the version number (it was 2.50). Will send one > >of the offending files to DP as requested. Unfortunately I don't have 2.50 > >around any more and I guess 2.46 would complain of being too old. > > I wish you'd stop talking about editing OPro files in Zap, you'll have > me waking up in the night screaming. > OK, I promise to stop talking about it! > > Changing the version number is *not* going to fix the error message. > It is possible for OPro to use the version number to not load a file > because it is *too old* [1], but not to give the *too new* message. > > Anyway I have now received one of the problem files, the trouble is that > the first 4 bytes are missing. A proper file starts with the text > "OvationPro", these start "ionPro". > > Inserting the missing bytes (using Edit - arrggh) allows the file to be > loaded. > > All that remains is to discover how the bytes got lost? > Well, that's a good question. The problem files have certainly not been loaded into any text editors (not that we talk about that sort of thing) but they have been stored in a Squirrel database. Then again, so have many other similar files, and without any problem. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 16:10:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113771 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 16:10:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945446987:20:15450:20; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:09:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015336; 17 Dec 1999 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA03140 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:55:09 GMT Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA03135 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:55:07 GMT Received: from in5972-211.staff.wlv.ac.uk ([134.220.211.187] helo=in5972.wlv.ac.uk) by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.03 #2) id 11yzhh-0001Kj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <385A5C98.5C42@wlv.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:54:00 +0000 From: "M.L.Bellamy" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fill applet arrows References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Like everyone else I've been impressed by the new fill applet that turns OPro into a painting package (and puts another nail in the coffin of my Powerpoint use). One thing I found from dragging the arrows around was that it was very easy to distort the fill accidently, after which it can be difficult to regain the original settings without typing in several values. I thought that like circular frames shift-dragging might constrain radial fills to a circular shape, vertical fills to a perfect upright etc., but instead you can't move the arrows at all. Any chance this could be added? It would also be good to have a little button grid on the Info bar (similar to that given when you choose the rotate tool) allowing easy selection of the direction/position of the fill. That way you could quickly choose to have a radial fill from the corners, dead centre etc. Matt -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 18:55:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113789 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 18:54:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945450631:20:20016:33; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124866; 17 Dec 1999 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03397 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:41:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03392 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:41:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11z0Q9-0008vX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:40:08 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 99 16:31:50 GMT Message-Id: <113780@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet arrows X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >that it was very easy to distort the fill accidently, after which it >can be difficult to regain the original settings without typing in >several values. I thought that like circular frames shift-dragging might Yes that was my feeling. Shift dragging should only allow a change along the direction of the arrow. Maybe control could only allow a change of orientation. >It would also be good to have a little button grid on the Info bar >(similar to that given when you choose the rotate tool) allowing easy Hmm maybe. The other thing I was inclined to do was update the fill whilst dragging was going on - similar to how pictures redraw whilst dragged. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 19:31:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113800 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 19:31:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945457554:20:09298:17; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:05:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106510; 17 Dec 1999 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03819 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:50:45 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03814 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:50:39 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11z2RZ-000PG5-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:49:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:48:26 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta3 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.02 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (29 Oct 1999) ds-11, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message roger.foden@argonet.co.uk (Roger Foden) wrote: [snip] >Mine was there too, but where _should_ it be; inside the LineJoin >applette AResources directory, or added to the general buttons pool >in !OvResDir.UK.Buttons22 (or ...UK.Buttons). Well, I _meant_ to put it in !OvResDir.UK.Buttons22 but put it in UK.Sprites22 by mistake and it still worked. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 19:31:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113801 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 19:31:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945458690:10:08931:17; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008783; 17 Dec 1999 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03863 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:56:19 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03858 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:56:18 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11z2X0-0009EK-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:55:10 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:50:20 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Cannot load: newer version of OvPro References: <113731@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113731@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <113731@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >OPro files have a compatability level, Don't put that in your spell dictionary, folks ;-) -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 23:20:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113810 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 23:20:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945471916:10:16338:19; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:05:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116465; 17 Dec 1999 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04420 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:44:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04415 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:44:11 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.217) [194.69.96.217] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11z65Y-0005B6-00; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:43:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:13:11 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill applet arrows Message-ID: <4971FD503C%mik@xemik.com> References: <385A5C98.5C42@wlv.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <385A5C98.5C42@wlv.ac.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <385A5C98.5C42@wlv.ac.uk> "M.L.Bellamy" wrote: > Like everyone else I've been impressed by the new fill applet [...]. One > thing I found from dragging the arrows around was that it was very easy to > distort the fill accidently, after which it can be difficult to regain the > original settings without typing in several values. But you could 'undo' the changes back to before you messed up. ;-) I was wondering if it would be useful to be able to save a fill-type that you may have spent ages creating, so that you could reuse it elsewhere without getting into frame copying etc. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Acorn Computers: The mouse with the mostest (three buttons, not two or one) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 17 23:20:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113812 for opro ; Fri, 17 Dec 99 23:20:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945472332:10:21557:18; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:12:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021488; 17 Dec 1999 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04413 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:44:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04408 for ; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:44:07 GMT Received: from (194.69.96.217) [194.69.96.217] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11z65T-0005B6-00; Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:43:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:06:58 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <4971FCBE67%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Wed 15 Dec, Dave Symes wrote: > > > Mik Towse wrote: > > > > One thing I found helpful in ImpPub was the lines which extended > > > > beyond the selected frame when it is being dragged. I used them to > > > > quickly line up the Is this sort of thing possible in OPro? > > If you click on a Ruler mark both horizontal and vertical, it will run a > snip > Another quick way: "Show Grid" (ShftCtrl G). [snip] Hm, far too much effort required on my part for the minor tweakings that I was thinking of. ;-) But thanks for the suggestions... -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Youth: It's a wonder that anyone ever outgrows it -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 18 13:46:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113821 for opro ; Sat, 18 Dec 99 13:46:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945522127:20:17549:16; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 13:02:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017536; 18 Dec 1999 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05717 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:53:50 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05712 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:53:49 GMT Received: (qmail 11549 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1999 11:52:35 -0000 Received: from usercp65.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.156.94) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Dec 1999 11:52:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:43:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Email applet Message-ID: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is it possible to have an email applet so that o can type my email into OPro and click a button and the email adress book from Pluto opens, I select an address and away we go? -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 18 13:46:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113823 for opro ; Sat, 18 Dec 99 13:46:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945519550:10:27447:16; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:19:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119430; 18 Dec 1999 12:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05665 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:35:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA05660 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:35:10 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.199) [62.188.132.199] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11zI7Y-0005Fj-00; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:33:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: Ovation mail list Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:28:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: !IdxPro and Ctrl-X Message-ID: <4972511f2ddavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Hello > I think this has been covered before - but how can I stop !IdxPro from > preventing the Ctrl-X doing its normal Cut Text operation? Nick Kaijaks managed to resolve this for me the other week. I am just finishing a couple of enhancements to the prog and a new version will be released. In the meantime you can make the change yourself as follows: In routine idx_bmdelfn, line 2099 rather than returning cut it should return 0 so if(stat>0)return -1; else return cut; should read if(stat>0)return -1; else return 0; By the way, the new features are: * an ignore case on sort option so that you can have: A aP 10 Aq 20 * Access to all main options via buttons on review window * Mark All improved This should be available very soon from the OP Resources site David (with thanks to Nick!) -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:43:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113840 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:43:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945536837:10:22976:19; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:07:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022954; 18 Dec 1999 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09665 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:19:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09660 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:19:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11zMYs-0002UO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:18:26 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 99 15:55:57 GMT Message-Id: <113835@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to have an email applet so that o can type my email into >OPro and click a button and the email adress book from Pluto opens, I >select an address and away we go? Depends what protocols Pluto supports for external editors... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:44:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113869 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945636156:20:15459:29; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:42:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015285; 19 Dec 1999 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12290 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:58:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA12285 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:58:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.82) [62.188.135.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11zmRm-0002g6-00; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 19:56:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:53:52 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Output to printer gone wrong. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 Dec 1999 (18:47:56 +0000), plattir@gol.com wrote: (Snip re printer problems) > If I then switch on the printer (after having replaced the paper) I > sometimes get a few lines of symbols per page and it then spits that > out & does the same to the next n pages. > > Solution: > 1. Curse & swear under breath. > 2. Switch off the printer, reboot computer & start again. Avoid both solutions by emptying the printer queue before you switch the printer on again. I.e. menu on printer icon then Queue control... >> menu click on content, and flush printer. ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:44:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113870 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:44:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945600471:10:18075:21; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:47:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017923; 19 Dec 1999 10:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11276 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:48:41 GMT Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (smtp02.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11271 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 09:48:38 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-1-2-178.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.178]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E2B8315746 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:47:09 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:47:56 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Output to printer gone wrong. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Dec, Richard wrote: > On Tue 7 Dec 1999 (18:20:02 +0000), crusius@wxs.nl wrote: > >Using a HP Deskjet 520 with OP(2.55) running on an SA RiscOsPC with a > >turbo print driver or an HP driver I had a spot of trouble with > >!Contents not working on some files. Since the things got progressively > >worse. OP, when asked to print out any file, rips of a line of number > >and symbols, ejects the sheet and give the next sheet the same > >treatment. I've had similar things when I've tried to cancel the printing in OvPro by the rather brutal method of switching off the printer. This is usually when I realise too late that I've got a sheet in the wrong way round or something and I want to cancel the printing _NOW_ and don't want to wait for the printer to empty its buffer-full onto the page. If I then switch on the printer (after having replaced the paper) I sometimes get a few lines of symbols per page and it then spits that out & does the same to the next n pages. Solution: 1. Curse & swear under breath. 2. Switch off the printer, reboot computer & start again. Seasonal greetings Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:45:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113871 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945637706:20:04008:16; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 21:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121778; 19 Dec 1999 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12336 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:11:24 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12331 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:11:23 GMT Received: (qmail 1677 invoked from network); 19 Dec 1999 20:09:51 -0000 Received: from userai84.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.133.114) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 1999 20:09:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:09:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <497304aa47peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <113835@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <113835@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <113835@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is it possible to have an email applet so that o can type my email into > >OPro and click a button and the email adress book from Pluto opens, I > >select an address and away we go? > Depends what protocols Pluto supports for external editors... Thought it could be cruder than that. Just save the email into the Pluto email directory. > David Pilling -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:45:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113872 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:45:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945603424:10:01185:16; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 11:37:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000969; 19 Dec 1999 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11399 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:54:21 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11394 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:54:19 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11zdxN-000CsI-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 10:52:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:33:58 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > Is it possible to have an email applet so that o can type my email into > OPro and click a button and the email adress book from Pluto opens, I > select an address and away we go? > I'm puzzled. Why would anyone want to do that? Surely a desktop publisher is the antithesis of an email editor. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:48:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113877 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:47:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945647950:20:07930:27; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:59:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007644; 19 Dec 1999 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12731 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:15:06 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12726 for ; Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:15:04 GMT Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.213.46]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FN0GIF01.F3K for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 00:13:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 23:45:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #312 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199912192001.UAA12303@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 18:53:52 +0000 > From:(Chris Wragg) > Subject: Re: Output to printer gone wrong. > > On Sun 19 Dec 1999 (18:47:56 +0000), plattir@gol.com wrote: > (Snip re printer problems) > > If I then switch on the printer (after having replaced the paper) I > > sometimes get a few lines of symbols per page and it then spits that > > out & does the same to the next n pages. > > > > Solution: > > 1. Curse & swear under breath. > > 2. Switch off the printer, reboot computer & start again. > > Avoid both solutions by emptying the printer queue before you > switch the printer on again. I.e. menu on printer icon then > Queue control... >> menu click on content, and flush printer. > > ChrisW It is arguable that solution 1 isn't really effective, but that's as far as the computer is concerned. It may, however give it's master some emotional relief. As to 2: I've tried flushing the printer several times. The only result is that my printer then prints some pages in what I presume are 48 point letters interspersed with curious symbols. Works of art they are! :-() So I resort to solution 2. My problems, which were of course due entirely the own attrition of my powers of understanding, have thanks to the astuteness of those that responded,solved. The adresses of the Christmas cards all printed out and the cards sent off. Many thanks and a Merry Christmas to all! Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:52:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113903 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:52:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945685359:10:04500:16; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:22:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125933; 20 Dec 1999 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA13908 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:25:22 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA13903 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:25:17 GMT Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11zz3x-000Mym-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:25:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 09:22:59 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Fill icon and placement To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear DP/all I like the new fill applet a lot, but was surprised to find that it has to be in the toolbox. I have configured Opro so that all the tools (including those from the toolbox) I need are up in the button bar, with the info palette attached too. Is there a way of setting the fill applet so that it too can appear in the button bar, opening the dialogue box as usual (or having the settings transferred to the info palette as it currently does?) Many thanks as usual for the superb work on a wonderful DTP package. Who remembers poring over the big black binder when Ovation first came out?!!! Have a good Christmas everyone. -- Paul Hutton "Indecision is the key to flexibility." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 17:53:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113905 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 17:52:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945690404:10:05330:17; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 11:46:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004723; 20 Dec 1999 11:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14094 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:57:36 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14089 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:57:34 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16388 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:57:23 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:57:15 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:57:14 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6C7@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation Pro Support'" Subject: Problem with 10.5pt font Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 10:57:12 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, A quick request to save me some time if this is a known problem (I don't recollect it and have not had time to investigate.) Over the weekend I upgraded to a StrongArm from a 710 processor (An early Xmas present to myself.). I have been on RO4.02 for some time. Tremendous increase in speed. Great. I was writing a letter and found that my normal 11pt font was going to cause a flow onto a third page. The font was URW Antiqua (I think). I thought I'll quickly change to 10.5point and that should solve the problem. No!! The screen redrew and the I had to zoom in to see the text - the height may have been right but the letters were not correctly spaced horizontally - laid on top of each other. Tried a save as DDL but no difference. Undid the original change and it returned to 11pt. Tried 10pt and it was OK. So I went with that. (I have seen this effect when using printer fonts on another platform - but not with outline fonts under ROS.) Also - off topic - is it normal with StrongArm to get a brief flash of a task window as applications start and does the RO4 configure option stop in a task window asking for a key press to continue. (I tried a reload of !Boot form the CD but it made no difference.) TIA Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 21:11:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113940 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 21:11:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945722316:10:14352:16; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:38:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014066; 20 Dec 1999 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA15153 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:16:40 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA15148 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 20:16:38 GMT Received: (qmail 21658 invoked from network); 20 Dec 1999 20:16:25 -0000 Received: from userbr08.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.146.201) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Dec 1999 20:16:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1999 20:12:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk>, Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > Is it possible to have an email applet so that o can type my email into > > OPro and click a button and the email adress book from Pluto opens, I > > select an address and away we go? > > > I'm puzzled. Why would anyone want to do that? > Surely a desktop publisher is the antithesis of an email editor. I've been using WORD on the (spit) PC etc, It allows this and it seemed an ok idea. I know it is not too difficult to write a missive in OPro and save it as text, then drag it to Pluto's email screen etc but I just though if it were not too difficult to do than to have the two programs communicate between them selves then it might be worth asking ... but I'm not pushing it and I'm certainly not looking for a fight over it 8-) -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 22:31:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113962 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 22:31:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945727178:20:00964:16; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:59:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000905; 20 Dec 1999 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15418 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15413 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 120AZG-000Hd3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 99 21:16:49 GMT Message-Id: <113942@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fill icon and placement X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I like the new fill applet a lot, but was surprised to find that it has to >be in the toolbox. I have configured Opro so that all the tools (including >those from the toolbox) I need are up in the button bar, with the info >palette attached too. Is there a way of setting the fill applet so that it >too can appear in the button bar, opening the dialogue box as usual (or >having the settings transferred to the info palette as it currently does?) You can set up the fill tool just like the others, sprite in the buttons pool, and a macro to select the tool. OTOH you could set up a button to open the fill dialogue, slightly different to selecting the fill tool. Its perhaps a fair point that I could supply the buttons sprite and macro set up with the applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 20 22:31:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113964 for opro ; Mon, 20 Dec 99 22:31:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945728011:20:11711:17; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 22:13:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124264; 20 Dec 1999 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15424 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15419 for ; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 120AZJ-000Hd3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Dec 1999 21:42:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 20 Dec 99 21:20:01 GMT Message-Id: <113944@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with 10.5pt font X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was writing a letter and found that my normal 11pt font was going to cause >a flow onto a third page. The font was URW Antiqua (I think). I thought I'll >quickly change to 10.5point and that should solve the problem. No!! >The screen redrew and the I had to zoom in to see the text - the height may >have been right but the letters were not correctly spaced horizontally - >laid on top of each other. Depends. On the one hand the screen has finite resolution, and sometimes pixels won't land just in the place which would look best. All that really counts is what the output looks like on paper (which has a much higher resolution). >Also - off topic - is it normal with StrongArm to get a brief flash of a >task window as applications start and does the RO4 configure option stop in >a task window asking for a key press to continue. (I tried a reload of !Boot >form the CD but it made no difference.) Guess, you've got the confirm option, set on the filer options. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 13:55:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA113999 for opro ; Tue, 21 Dec 99 13:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945774715:20:02463:46; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:11:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112124; 21 Dec 1999 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31909 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:23:17 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31904 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:23:15 GMT Received: from anthony.whitehouse.which.net ([194.168.100.138]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA17483 for ; Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:23:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:21:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Whitehouse Subject: Template PixImport not found To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I followed the instructions carefully to upgrade v2.52 to v2.56. Upgrade was successful apparently but on attempting to load Ovation it failed with the message 'Template PixImport not found'. How - What - When - Where - Why - Who? Help! -- Anthony Whitehouse -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 13:55:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114006 for opro ; Tue, 21 Dec 99 13:55:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945775320:20:12822:59; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:22:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012913; 21 Dec 1999 11:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06542 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:14:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06530 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:14:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nvXy-000OPY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:14:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 03:07:41 GMT Message-Id: <110524@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Draw verify failed; code 118 at -53312334 And that error code is #define Draw_NotDrawFile 118 /* 'This is not a Draw file' */ Sorry. I've had a look at the code, and its laughable, right at the start it checks a word, and that word is different for Vector files, the code for Vector files is present, but not enabled. Tough luck. I said there were no promises it would work... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 13:56:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114008 for opro ; Tue, 21 Dec 99 13:56:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945776492:20:03303:27; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 11:41:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003234; 21 Dec 1999 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29555 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:44:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29548 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:44:03 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.101) [193.149.78.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11sZWM-0006Fi-00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:43:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:53:38 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4968BBF80E%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Fri 26 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > > Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones > > > likely to care)? > > Argh! I thought this M$ mentality wasn't prevalent in the RO world. ;-) > This was meant as a genuine question. I only got rid of my original 1987 > vintage Archimedes 440 a year or two back, and then I sold it. My son is still using my old A410. (Don't worry David, OPro isn't on it.) > If there are a lot of such owners about, then their wishes should be > considered -- at least the banner should be made configurable. But a banner doesn't need to keep memory after it's done, does it? > If not, then the memory argument is spurious -- for whatever reason Mike, > you *do* have 34Mb. Yes I do & I don't agree that the memory argument is spurious. /I/ may well want to use that memory for something else. IMHO an app' has /no/ right to take memory it doesn't really need. > If as we all hope RISCOS is to break out of irs ghetto, it is important > that out products not only have professional features, but also *look* > professional. I quite agree, but a professional *look* is purely a matter of taste. IMO RO4 looks awful. But thankfully we can easily change the icons. > I don't think this means selling out to Windows style bloatware - the whole > RISC philosophy is against this. And it is not necessary. Many palmtops are > rejecting Windows CE because a cut down Windows is virtually useless. Rather like it's big brother, eh? ;-) [snip] -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ To climb the ladder of success you must get through the crowd at the bottom. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 17:49:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114026 for opro ; Tue, 21 Dec 99 17:49:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945790150:10:09243:30; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:29:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120566; 21 Dec 1999 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01082 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01077 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 120Qc9-000KIU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 14:50:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 99 14:46:13 GMT Message-Id: <114021@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Template PixImport not found X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I followed the instructions carefully to upgrade v2.52 to v2.56. Up to a point... >Upgrade was successful apparently but on attempting to load Ovation >it failed with the message 'Template PixImport not found'. Copy the !OvnPro from the upgrade archive on top of the new !OvnPro (making sure you have your copy options set up as described in the !!ReadMe with the upgrade) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 17:49:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114025 for opro ; Tue, 21 Dec 99 17:49:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945790101:20:07721:26; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:28:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102134; 21 Dec 1999 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01153 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:30 GMT Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01148 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 15:12:25 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-148.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.148]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6067340BB for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:11:33 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 13:11:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Output to printer gone wrong. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 19 Dec, Chris Wragg wrote: > On Sun 19 Dec 1999 (18:47:56 +0000), plattir@gol.com wrote: > (Snip re printer problems) > > If I then switch on the printer (after having replaced the paper) I > > sometimes get a few lines of symbols per page and it then spits that > > out & does the same to the next n pages. > > > > Solution: > > 1. Curse & swear under breath. > > 2. Switch off the printer, reboot computer & start again. > > Avoid both solutions by emptying the printer queue before you > switch the printer on again. I.e. menu on printer icon then > Queue control... >> menu click on content, and flush printer. > ChrisW. Thanks Chris. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm UK technology. Continuing to think even more different! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 21 22:49:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114064 for opro ; Tue, 21 Dec 99 22:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945815658:20:01656:28; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:34:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001571; 21 Dec 1999 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02073 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:16:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02068 for ; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:16:31 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.32) [193.149.74.32] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 120XZu-0001Oz-00; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:16:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:57:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <497410ad1asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgatew User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net>, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > I've been using WORD on the (spit) PC etc, It allows this and it seemed > an ok idea. How to win friends and influence people (not) that kind of malarky is why PC users get so much stick about the bilge mailings they send, HTML add ins code for bold etc... It's also how to slow down the work flow on a PC, every mail message has to restart Word. Standard setup at work is to DISABLE WordMail. If you don't have a decent mail editor, get one. At the end of the day, mail is merely text, most mail readers don't show bold or italic etc, so why choke the system up with redundant codes for that? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 02:55:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114071 for opro ; Wed, 22 Dec 99 02:55:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945831246:10:26012:17; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:54:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110058; 22 Dec 1999 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA02623 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:35:41 GMT Received: from www.bilboul.com (root@mail.bilboul.com [193.117.73.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02618 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:35:39 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by www.bilboul.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id CAA17155 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 02:27:33 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08898; Tue, 21 Dec 1999 22:15:02 GMT Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 20:44:53 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: applet problems Message-ID: <4972840D24%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <497108609cray@magray.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > Mine joinline sprite is inside > ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation.!OvnPro.Applets.!ColPal.AResources.Buttons22 And your SRWE buttons are... Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 14:10:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114081 for opro ; Wed, 22 Dec 99 14:10:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945870170:20:07519:50; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:42:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111786; 22 Dec 1999 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03688 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:17:39 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03683 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:17:37 GMT Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 120ldo-000KwA-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:17:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:15:15 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: Fill icon and placement To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: <113942@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Yes please to the macro. Non programmer here... et je ne suis pas le seul non plus... On Mon 20 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > >I like the new fill applet a lot, but was surprised to find that it has to > >be in the toolbox. I have configured Opro so that all the tools (including > >those from the toolbox) I need are up in the button bar, with the info > >palette attached too. Is there a way of setting the fill applet so that it > >too can appear in the button bar, opening the dialogue box as usual (or > >having the settings transferred to the info palette as it currently does?) > > You can set up the fill tool just like the others, sprite in the buttons > pool, and a macro to select the tool. OTOH you could set up a button > to open the fill dialogue, slightly different to selecting the fill tool. > > Its perhaps a fair point that I could supply the buttons sprite and macro > set up with the applet. > > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Paul Hutton "Indecision is the key to flexibility." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 20:54:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114111 for opro ; Wed, 22 Dec 99 20:54:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945890809:10:04647:19; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 19:26:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104691; 22 Dec 1999 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04370 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:55:22 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA04365 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 18:55:20 GMT Received: (qmail 13224 invoked from network); 22 Dec 1999 18:55:00 -0000 Received: from userm098.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.77.148) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 1999 18:55:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:54:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Spellcheck and repeated words Message-ID: <49745253a4dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello and best seasonal wishes to all who know me... The repeated word function of the spellchecker is most welcome... but probably a silly question, though it seems rational to me. Okay so the check has hilighted the second of a repeated "and", it shows in the check window, also "Repeated word" is noted at the bottom of the check window... Now what? There's no button to remove/delete anything... so what do I do to remove the second "and". You obviously don't expect me to press the delete key three times *do you!* Besides... it doesn't remove one of the spaces, so we're left with a double space between words where a repeat has been removed. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk ... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 23:11:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114123 for opro ; Wed, 22 Dec 99 23:11:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945898771:20:18692:61; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:39:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018038; 22 Dec 1999 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04654 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:10:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04649 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:10:21 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.5) [62.188.150.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 120t1D-0002U5-00; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:10:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:50:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Button Spacing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For the first time in ages I decided to rearrange the button bar in OvationPro (I'm now on V 2.56). No problems until I wanted to insert a gap before one particular button. The 'Insert gap before' option seems to have disappeared from the Edit Button dialogue box which is different to the one on P205 of the original manual. I loaded 2.55 up to check that and it's just the same. Is there a new way of doing it that I have missed? Any ideas out there? -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 23:11:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114124 for opro ; Wed, 22 Dec 99 23:11:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945899745:10:29286:19; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:55:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029628; 22 Dec 1999 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04708 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:27:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04702 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:27:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 120tHO-0004OB-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:26:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 99 21:08:29 GMT Message-Id: <114118@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck and repeated words X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hello and best seasonal wishes to all who know me... Yes, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Millennium to you all. >Okay so the check has hilighted the second of a repeated "and", it shows >in the check window, also "Repeated word" is noted at the bottom of the >There's no button to remove/delete anything... so what do I do to remove >the second "and". I think we had this discussion here a few weeks back. Talking of which, I saw one of my postings from 3 weeks back, about Vector files appear yesterday, and I didn't resend it. Bit of a Y2K glitch there then. So maybe yours is another posting from the past, popped up through a wormhole in space-time. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 22 23:12:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114132 for opro ; Wed, 22 Dec 99 23:12:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945900908:20:20891:38; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 22:15:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020599; 22 Dec 1999 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04790 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:45:33 GMT Received: from cwcom.net (email.mcmail.com [195.44.0.104]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04785 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:45:31 GMT Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.204.72]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Wed, 22 Dec 1999 21:44:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 12:46:58 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <497467A3D5%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4968BBF80E%mik@xemik.com> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.41a for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4968BBF80E%mik@xemik.com> Mik Towse wrote: >> at least the banner should be made configurable. > But a banner doesn't need to keep memory after it's done, does it? I hope it doesn't, but my dissatisfaction is with the time that banners consume. The RO start-up banner may be ugly, but at least it's not preventing me from doing anything else (because at that point there's nothing else to do). Sadly the same can't be said of a number of applications. ATM I'm (surprise!) reading the OPro mailing list. It's quite possible that something I read will prompt me to load OPro so that I can fiddle. Now I accept (reluctantly) that OPro doesn't multi-task during initialisation, so I can't *do* anything while it's initialising, but that enormous banner in the middle of my screen means I can't even *read* the message I already have displayed. Grrrr! Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 23 02:32:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114139 for opro ; Thu, 23 Dec 99 02:32:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945906802:10:25704:16; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:53:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025493; 22 Dec 1999 23:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA05147 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:18:41 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05142 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:18:39 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-107.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.107]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA17818 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:18:15 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 23:15:57 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > > Is it possible to have an email applet so that o can type my email into > > OPro and click a button and the email adress book from Pluto opens, I > > select an address and away we go? > > > I'm puzzled. Why would anyone want to do that? > > Surely a desktop publisher is the antithesis of an email editor. > I'd like to do that too - it's the spellcheck function. It's really good in OP (the red underline). I suppose I could upgrade from Zap v1.35. I tried once. It didn't work. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 23 14:14:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114153 for opro ; Thu, 23 Dec 99 14:14:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945950141:10:12769:16; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:55:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012684; 23 Dec 1999 11:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06441 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:36:02 GMT Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06436 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:36:00 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.122.191]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <19991223112936.SXYI12697.mta3-svc.virgin.net@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:29:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:35:01 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Spellcheck To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi There has been some discussion in the past about the way that miss-spelled words are displayed. I find that the heavy underlining colour makes it difficult to see decenders of letters. Is it possible, feasible, desirable, not too difficult to do, to draw attention to words by using what looks like a highlighter pen, in pale blue/cyan or yellow, in the way that 'Textease' does? I am not sure if this has been suggested before, but if it has, and can be done without too much trouble, I would like to add my vote for this way of showing errors as it makes it much easier to see exactly which letters have been used. My best wishes for Christmas to everyone, together with a bright hope for the New Year. Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 23 18:38:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114169 for opro ; Thu, 23 Dec 99 18:38:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945966259:10:22377:16; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 16:24:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119387; 23 Dec 1999 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06937 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:54:11 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06932 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:54:05 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-2-28.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.28]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2BA6BDB013 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 15:53:33 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Ovation Mail Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 14:00:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spellcheck Message-ID: <4974f2338aray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Bernard G. Hill wrote: > There has been some discussion in the past about the way that > miss-spelled words are displayed. I find that the heavy underlining > colour makes it difficult to see decenders of letters. Is it possible, > feasible, desirable, not too difficult to do, to draw attention to words > by using what looks like a highlighter pen, in pale blue/cyan or yellow, > in the way that 'Textease' does? I'd certainly go along with this. The heaviness of the underlining is the only reason I don't have spellcheck on all the time. A highlight method would certainly be more useful. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 23 19:59:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114182 for opro ; Thu, 23 Dec 99 19:59:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945978612:10:07208:18; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:50:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006198; 23 Dec 1999 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07510 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:30:20 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07505 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:30:18 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 121Dvl-000PnM-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 19:29:45 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:14:14 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Spacing Message-ID: <2870097549.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > For the first time in ages I decided to rearrange the button bar in > OvationPro (I'm now on V 2.56). No problems until I wanted to insert a > gap before one particular button. The 'Insert gap before' option seems > to have disappeared from the Edit Button dialogue box which is different > to the one on P205 of the original manual. I loaded 2.55 up to check > that and it's just the same. Is there a new way of doing it that I have > missed? > > Any ideas out there? Point at the button after where you want the gap. Shift/CTRL Adjust click. Same again to remove the gap. Don't forget to 'Save macros'. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 23 20:00:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114183 for opro ; Thu, 23 Dec 99 20:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945974856:20:26021:17; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:47:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100502; 23 Dec 1999 18:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07228 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:17:12 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07223 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 18:17:11 GMT Received: (qmail 14010 invoked from network); 23 Dec 1999 18:16:38 -0000 Received: from userbg89.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.142.209) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 23 Dec 1999 18:16:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 08:17:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spellcheck and repeated words Message-ID: <4974d2c53fdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <114118@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114118@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <114118@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Hello and best seasonal wishes to all who know me... > Yes, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Millennium to you all. > >Okay so the check has hilighted the second of a repeated "and", it > >shows in the check window, also "Repeated word" is noted at the bottom > >of the There's no button to remove/delete anything... so what do I do > >to remove the second "and". > I think we had this discussion here a few weeks back. [Snip] > David Pilling Yes indeed David, around the 17th November 1999 a short discussion took place, unfortunately... apart from your writing... hangonamo (Japanese pause)...while I dig out your posting. > Well maybe. The easy way is to hold down delete and then (when the word > is gone) press return. To continue...apart from you writing the above... and obviously Ctrl-U as suggested by someone else, which will do I suppose, until a button is arranged... but what about the spaces? Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 23 22:08:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114190 for opro ; Thu, 23 Dec 99 22:08:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945982456:20:28837:38; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:54:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028768; 23 Dec 1999 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA07596 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:01:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07591 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:01:23 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 121EPq-000G8Y-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 20:00:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 99 18:50:48 GMT Message-Id: <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'd certainly go along with this. The heaviness of the underlining is the >only reason I don't have spellcheck on all the time. A highlight method >would certainly be more useful. I suspect some of the factors which influenced the current choice, were that it was easier that way, it wasn't too noticeable (most text is going to have some 'errors' in it), and it didn't clobber any existing text with a coloured background. I suppose you could counter the last point by saying, no but it clobbers existing underlining. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 01:18:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114203 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 01:18:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 945992967:10:19467:16; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 23:49:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123811; 23 Dec 1999 23:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08023 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:33:46 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08018 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:33:45 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.169] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 121GnF-0005sZ-00; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:33:10 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:09:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 22:08:04 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >I'd certainly go along with this. The heaviness of the underlining is the > >only reason I don't have spellcheck on all the time. A highlight method > >would certainly be more useful. > > I suspect some of the factors which influenced the current choice, > were that it was easier that way, it wasn't too noticeable (most > text is going to have some 'errors' in it), and it didn't clobber > any existing text with a coloured background. > > I suppose you could counter the last point by saying, no but it clobbers > existing underlining. > I find that the effect of the underlining varies according to the screen resolution. At 1112 x 834 on a 17" monitor, and a zoom size which allows you to scan the page easily looking for errors, the underlining is too fine to be very convenient. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 03:41:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114212 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 03:41:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946000833:20:11621:16; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 02:00:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010720; 24 Dec 1999 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08532 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:29:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA08527 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:29:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.89) [193.149.84.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 121JWq-0004cR-00; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 01:28:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 00:11:02 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Button Spacing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 23 Dec 1999 (18:14:14), fred@ypical.demon.co.uk wrote: > Point at the button after where you want the gap. Shift/CTRL Adjust > click. Same again to remove the gap. Don't forget to 'Save macros'. > > -- > Fred Thanks - simple when you know. I've made a note in my manual! -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 14:09:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114221 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 14:09:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946039413:20:01009:34; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:43:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000863; 24 Dec 1999 12:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09503 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:25:05 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09498 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 12:25:03 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.57]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA6C61 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:24:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 13:22:18 +0100 Subject: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: <49756d0df8delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, especially Mr. Pilling, Two questions concerning Postscript: 1. I've found out that postscript files, produced with OvationPro are significantly larger than the same files produced with Publisher, especially when there is more than one page in it (e.g. a full colour file of twelve pages in Publisher caused an output of 49 Mb, the very same file in OvationPro caused an output of 75 Mb). 2. A possible (partial) solution of this is the fact that OvationPro always defines all the fonts supplied in the default page (!), even if the file to be printed only has one style defined. Publisher only defines the fonts that are actually used in the file. Could OvationPro be forced to behave in similar way? 3. One of my outputs is refused in two printer shops, because it didn't recognise a font (Garamond.SmallCaps.bold, actually), although this font certainly appears to be defined in the postscript output. How is this possible? Indeed, three questions. No, four: 4. Could it be possible to add a function that turns selected text (or all text by default) into vector graphics (thus avoiding all the font problems in postscript files)? To be honest, I haven't got much difficulties with Postscript until now. But if there ARE problems, then it seems to be almost impossible to solve them. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 17:39:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114242 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 17:39:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946056783:20:20463:17; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:33:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101263; 24 Dec 1999 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09995 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:15:31 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09990 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:15:30 GMT Received: from akalat (dialup045.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.207]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA10518 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:14:05 GMT Message-ID: <003601bf4e31$cb36e640$cf94a8c2@akalat> From: "Mike Williams" To: References: <49756d0df8delink@news.wxs.nl> Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2099 15:30:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Regarding PostScript file size I would be very surprised if the inclusion or omission of font outlines accounted for 26MB - I wouldn't expect fonts to take more than about 1MB at the very most. It would be interesting to load the two files into a text editor to see if that gives any clues. I have been generating PostScript files from Impression Publisher and Ovation Pro for about five years but no problems with fonts. Only Homerton and Trinity are set to map to PostScript fonst (using FontPrint). All other fonts are embedded in the PostScript file as outlines. The font error generated by the PostScript interpreter can only be because a font referenced in PostScript is not available somewhere. Problems can arise at times if you change the fonts available on your system. E.g. load a document, deinstal a font used, then generate PostScript. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing Converting fonts to vectors wouldn't really make much difference in the end, though it would probably increase file size. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 17:39:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114243 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 17:39:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946056805:20:20856:16; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:33:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020836; 24 Dec 1999 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10035 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:19:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10030 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:19:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 121YLV-000JO2-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:17:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 99 16:42:55 GMT Message-Id: <114231@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. I've found out that postscript files, produced with OvationPro are >significantly larger than the same files produced with Publisher, Thats interesting. There is no reason why it should be so. Obviously it depends on you doing *exactly* the same thing in each program. Rotate a frame a little, and things may be very different. >2. A possible (partial) solution of this is the fact that OvationPro always >defines all the fonts supplied in the default page (!), even if the file to >be printed only has one style defined. no. no. no. OPro actually scans what is to be printed, and then defines the necessary fonts. I don't know what you mean by the 'default page'. >3. One of my outputs is refused in two printer shops, because it didn't >recognise a font (Garamond.SmallCaps.bold, actually), although this font >certainly appears to be defined in the postscript output. >How is this possible? I'd raise the point that there is a mechanism (app. FontPrint) which lets you control which fonts are assumed to live in the printer and which are defined in the PostScript. Perhaps there is a max number which can be defined in the printer, define too many and it may lose one. >4. Could it be possible to add a function that turns selected text (or all >text by default) into vector graphics (thus avoiding all the font problems >in postscript files)? Could be done. >To be honest, I haven't got much difficulties with Postscript until now. >But if there ARE problems, then it seems to be almost impossible to solve All too often all that is said is "the postscript crashed" - end of story. I get the impression most people don't know how to enable error reporting on their PS printers, never mind make sense of them. I would be interested to get to the bottom of the above comment. But I don't want massive email attachments (>1MB). Only you know how large the source docs are. Removing the pictures (which is the first step to making things more manageable) might in itself be an interesting test - see if that makes the printouts more equal in size. In this context it has been interesting to read Paul Beverleys comments that RISC OS 4 allows him to submit his magazine to his printer in PS format. Seemingly the output from the older printer drivers was not compatible. I wonder what the changes have been? Whilst on the subject I have a spare copy of the latest Archive magazine, which I'd be happy to post to the first person who emails magazine@pilling.demon.co.uk with their postal address. [Please rest assured that this spare copy is both legally and morally my property to give away. Acceptance of this offer will not involve at some future date crossing the Styxx whilst warbling "Beelzebub has a space set aside for me..." ] David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 18:36:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114244 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 18:36:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946058927:10:25523:16; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 18:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025410; 24 Dec 1999 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10231 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:51:15 GMT Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10226 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:51:14 GMT Received: from hallas.demon.co.uk ([158.152.118.28]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 121YrB-000LRC-0V for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 17:50:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 11:16:01 +0000 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck Message-ID: <5cfc667549.OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> References: <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22b(24 Nov 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I'd certainly go along with this. The heaviness of the underlining > > is the only reason I don't have spellcheck on all the time. A > > highlight method would certainly be more useful. > > I suspect some of the factors which influenced the current choice, > were that it was easier that way, it wasn't too noticeable (most > text is going to have some 'errors' in it), and it didn't clobber > any existing text with a coloured background. > > I suppose you could counter the last point by saying, no but it > clobbers existing underlining. To express an opinion in support of the current system, I'd like to say that it suits me very well. I'm pretty good at spelling, so I most definitely don't want any permanently visible system. I prefer an uncluttered display that looks as close as possible to the final printed output. The only time I turn on the red-underlined spell-checker is right at the end, when I've finished laying out pages and want to check for typos visually. At that point, the red underlines stick out like sore thumbs, and are hence very easy to spot. I don't think that any background highlight system would be nearly so obvious, as you'd have to use a colour that was pale enough for people to be able to read the word through it. Words underlined in bright red are immediately obvious. If there were a choice between methods of highlighting misspelt words then that would obviously be fair enough, but I don't want to see the existing system scrapped in favour of something I'd find less useful. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G Hallas * Author of Charges * Technical Writer and Editor Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 24 21:38:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114257 for opro ; Fri, 24 Dec 99 21:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946070513:10:17886:16; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 21:21:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100640; 24 Dec 1999 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10666 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:47:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10661 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:47:16 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.12) [193.149.74.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 121bbY-00058M-00; Fri, 24 Dec 1999 20:46:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Dec 1999 18:08:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Spellcheck Message-ID: <49758cc03csteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <114175@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I suppose you could counter the last point by saying, no but it clobbers > existing underlining. Exist... cough, splutter... Useful for marking text for proof readers etc, has no place in a publication, letter etc. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 25 02:59:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114272 for opro ; Sat, 25 Dec 99 02:59:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946089084:10:00963:16; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:31:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121080; 25 Dec 1999 2:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11355 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:11:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11350 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:11:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 121ger-0001Qn-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 02:10:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 99 22:00:06 GMT Message-Id: <114262@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Spellcheck X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Useful for marking text for proof readers etc, has no place in a >publication, letter etc. Yeah, I've been thinking the program is too big, maybe one could chop out all the features no one should use - underline, frame borders, double space after full stops... ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:08:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114280 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:07:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946128607:20:01927:23; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:30:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001981; 25 Dec 1999 13:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12425 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:11:33 GMT Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12420 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 13:11:31 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.142]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA2ECE for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:10:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:09:24 +0100 Subject: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <114231@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114231@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, Yesterday I wrote that OvationPro produces much larger postscript files than Publisher. One of the reasons could be the fact that OvationPro defines a lot of fonts that are not actually used. Mr. Pilling replied: > no. no. no. OPro actually scans what is to be printed, and then defines > the necessary fonts. I don't know what you mean by the 'default page'. The default page is the page that is kept in the !OvnResDir. I'm surprised that I have to explain that... My default page has some styles predefined (7 or 8). I've done a test, that can easily be repeated by everyone. Click on the iconbar icon to create an empty (A4) page. Change the Bodytext to Trinity.medium and delete all other styles. Now type 'Test'. Load a postscript driver and redirect the output to a file. Print the page. Do exactly the same with Publisher. Compare the length of both files. (In my case: Publisher - 19,251 bytes. OvationPro - 410,702 bytes). When you take a look at both files, you will see that Publisher only defines Trinity.medium where OvationPro also defines all the fonts that were predefined in your default page. So I'm afraid that what Mr. Pilling says about scanning the document, is not correct. There was also a problem about a printer not recognising a font, although it was defined in the postscript file (not mapped). Mr. Pilling suggests: > Perhaps there is a max number which can be defined in the printer, > define too many and it may lose one. This could be true, indeed. The more reason to remove the mechanism of defining not used fonts! P.S. I never use FontPrint --- Everyone ready for a new problem? Every week I have to print about 180 envelopes. I have done this for years with Publisher (using a simple masterpage with two logo's and a database). When I finally switched to OvationPro, I found out that the latter freezes the computer for almost 4 minutes, apparently loading lots of data into the printer, before the printing actually starts - where Publisher always started immediately. I've now redirected both outputs to a file and expected to find an enormous difference in size. But no - the Publisher file was appr. 1.9 Mb where the OvationPro file was about 2.3 Mb (the same difference as with the first test). Why does it take so long, then, before OvationPro starts printing? This really puzzles me. (It has to be said, that printing to a file doesn't make much difference in speed.) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:08:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114281 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:08:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946166265:20:12699:16; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:57:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012616; 25 Dec 1999 23:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13367 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:38:07 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13362 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:38:06 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-113.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.113]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA05876 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:37:03 GMT Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 16:51:20 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Active Filename Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi. How do I create an Active Filename, similar to an Active Date - a single object that automatically updates? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:08:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114284 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:08:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946168183:20:24184:17; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 00:29:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023899; 26 Dec 1999 0:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13456 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:59:32 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13451 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:59:26 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-2-9.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.9]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EB3F7B0C7 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:58:23 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 17:16:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: <49760bca1cray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl> References: <114231@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Every week I have to print about 180 envelopes. I have done this for > years with Publisher (using a simple masterpage with two logo's and a > database). When I finally switched to OvationPro, I found out that the > latter freezes the computer for almost 4 minutes, apparently loading > lots of data into the printer, before the printing actually starts - > where Publisher always started immediately. Do you have background printing set in Print Choices? I have background printing set and find that OP releases the computer very quickly when printing to my Postscript (Kyocera) printer. Publisher on the other hand takes an age as it doesn't do background printing. > I've now redirected both outputs to a file and expected to find an > enormous difference in size. But no - the Publisher file was appr. 1.9 > Mb where the OvationPro file was about 2.3 Mb (the same difference as > with the first test). Erm, your previous example was IP 19k and OP 410k - not quite the same ratio? > Why does it take so long, then, before OvationPro starts printing? This > really puzzles me. (It has to be said, that printing to a file doesn't > make much difference in speed.) It doesn't here. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:11:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114289 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:11:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946254976:20:05508:18; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:36:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005489; 27 Dec 1999 0:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16035 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:04 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16030 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:01 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA09631; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:56 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:40:21 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... Message-ID: <8a4fad7649%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 Cc: David Love MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message David Love wrote: > > To do that a line must be present in the !TransDDF loader !Boot > > file i.e. > > Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir > > and the !TransDDF loader must be 'seen' or booted before OPro > > is run. > I uncommented the line Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R > TransDDF$Dir and have all the filters Filer-booted by > shift/dragging them to Boot Sequence to "Look at". > Obviously I am still doing something wrong because I still get > the same problem when using Impact/OvationPro, as described > originally. The same line is in the !Run file and needs to be un-commented too. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:16:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114292 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:16:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946164714:10:16243:17; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:31:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114020; 25 Dec 1999 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13270 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:00:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13265 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 23:00:19 GMT Received: from (193.149.81.220) [193.149.81.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 12209Y-0002tB-00; Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:59:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 22:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: <497628cd6bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl> References: <114231@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl>, Paul Sprangers wrote: > Everyone ready for a new problem? Every week I have to print about 180 > envelopes. I have done this for years with Publisher (using a simple > masterpage with two logo's and a database). When I finally switched to > OvationPro, I found out that the latter freezes the computer for almost > 4 minutes, apparently loading lots of data into the printer, before the > printing actually starts - where Publisher always started immediately. > I've now redirected both outputs to a file and expected to find an > enormous difference in size. But no - the Publisher file was appr. 1.9 > Mb where the OvationPro file was about 2.3 Mb (the same difference as > with the first test). > Why does it take so long, then, before OvationPro starts printing? Because you haven't gone to the icon bar icon, clicked menu, choices, print and ticked background print? > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:16:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114295 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:16:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946199455:10:12538:18; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 09:10:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111587; 26 Dec 1999 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14524 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:52:32 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14519 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 08:52:29 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p83.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.83]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA21237 for ; Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:51:20 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3865D6E2.2683058B@netvision.net.il> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 10:50:42 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript References: <114231@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4975f53394delink@news.wxs.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Dear all, > > Yesterday I wrote that OvationPro produces much larger postscript files > than Publisher. One of the reasons could be the fact that OvationPro > defines a lot of fonts that are not actually used. > Mr. Pilling replied: > > > no. no. no. OPro actually scans what is to be printed, and then defines > > the necessary fonts. I don't know what you mean by the 'default page'. > > The default page is the page that is kept in the !OvnResDir. > I'm surprised that I have to explain that... > My default page has some styles predefined (7 or 8). > > I've done a test, that can easily be repeated by everyone. > Click on the iconbar icon to create an empty (A4) page. > Change the Bodytext to Trinity.medium and delete all other styles. > Now type 'Test'. > Load a postscript driver and redirect the output to a file. > Print the page. > Do exactly the same with Publisher. > Compare the length of both files. > (In my case: Publisher - 19,251 bytes. OvationPro - 410,702 bytes). > > When you take a look at both files, you will see that Publisher only > defines Trinity.medium where OvationPro also defines all the fonts that > were predefined in your default page. > So I'm afraid that what Mr. Pilling says about scanning the document, is > not correct. I might add that saving the file as DDL lists all the fonts which were defined in styles in the default document, even though they were deleted from the actual document being edited. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:16:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114307 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:16:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946255017:10:04016:34; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:36:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105556; 27 Dec 1999 0:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16028 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:56 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16023 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:55 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA09627 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:51 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:37:35 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders Message-ID: <2590a77649%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109017@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <109017@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: [snip] > Can anyone think of a way of doing borders which is better than > Impression? [snip] I seem to read e-mails from the middle, and this question sparked an idea - you won't want to put it high on your list if priorities, I know, but... Documents with Depth ==================== Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way that WIMP environments do, and drop shadows to elude to the idea of depth, but they are flat (like paper, of course!). Borders files are made from vector (and bitmap?) files, which are flat too. However, one day perhaps documents will have depth. At the moment you can't publish a 3D thing, but everyone's favourite trick these days (me too) is drop shadows behind titles and things; and borders, of course. Now, imagine if a border was made from a TopModel file. It could be a cylinder which, when rendered around a frame like piping even casts a shadow on the 'paper' (ie: it's printed like a drop shadow). This leads to the idea that the frame needs a 'z' distance - how far above the paper it is. Different frames could have different distances; the page space becomes a volume; rendering takes into account the depth of field of focus so that distant frames are out of focus; the page view could be rotated to see different frames... we can't call it a page anymore we'll have to call it a... cabinet. Is that a better way of doing borders? It's not what you meant, is it? Well file it under Ovation Pro Mega Multi Media (2100). Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:16:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114308 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:16:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946255257:10:09326:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:40:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108537; 27 Dec 1999 0:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16049 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:11 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16043 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:09 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA09643 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:08 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 22:25:41 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <6879a67649%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Do lyrics count? Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam Spam ... (Is this where the e-mail 'spam' expression comes from?) Oh, Monty. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:16:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114309 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:16:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946255322:10:10144:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:42:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009885; 27 Dec 1999 0:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16021 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:39 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16016 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:37 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA09613 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:16:34 GMT Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:07:04 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > I suppose offer 'point up/point down' as an option. > Or the path editor could let you rotate selected points. > Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on > offer? How about a 'Rotate contents with frame' option (Normally on) combined with an 'Angle of Contents' field to keep track? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Mobile phone: 07909 918370 .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 14:16:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114310 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:16:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946255387:10:11150:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:43:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011081; 27 Dec 1999 0:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16044 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:09 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16037 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:07 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA09639 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 00:17:04 GMT Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1999 23:10:27 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders Message-ID: <9192aa7649%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109114@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <109114@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Currently the Draw file contains 2 objects, the corner and the > side, an easy extension would be to allow it to contain up to 4 > corners and 4 sides. Which would get you the Impression > versatility but not particularly easily. My recollection of how Impression uses Draw files is as follows: The 'front' object is stretched to the length of the side of the frame. The rest of the objects are spread out along the length of the frame. (it may be the 'back' object in the Draw file that is stretched, I can't remember). The corners are created by virtue of them being one of the non-stretched objects in the Draw file. This system enabled you to create, say, 5 filled circular bobbles which would stay circular ('cause they're spread out, not stretched) and run along the side of the frame. I think *relative* spacing was preserved. I thought this was rather clever. I created some new frames, but never found a use for them! I've always found that once a border becomes more than a simple 'separator' I've created a separate graphic to do the job and switched off the border function - I can't see myself using very complicated borders since designing them and using them would be more complicated than just using a separate graphic frame... however... I've had trouble before organising a complicated pattern that has to completely cover a frame. The problem is selecting and editing text in the frame below. I know there's a shift-ctrl double-click combination... but that won't put the caret in the lower frame! Can two frames be 'joined' (is in Draw) to make a hollow middle? +--------------+ | | | +------+ | | | | | | | | | | +------+ | | | +--------------+ Another frame underneath can then be clicked on and edited in, Would text be able to flow around the frame by flowing into the middle too? While I'm here... WRT drop shadows on frames. Any chance they could be made an arbitrary direction (angle) and optionally stay at that angle when the frame's rotated? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 18:01:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114330 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 18:01:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946307903:20:26491:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 15:18:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026369; 27 Dec 1999 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17873 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:57:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17868 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:57:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 122baK-000EKS-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 14:57:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 99 14:25:23 GMT Message-Id: <114316@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The default page is the page that is kept in the !OvnResDir. >My default page has some styles predefined (7 or 8). Yes but the problem was that your original statement could be read as "whatever document I print, OPro defines the fonts for the default document". >I've done a test, that can easily be repeated by everyone. No it can't, we don't all have your default document. >(In my case: Publisher - 19,251 bytes. OvationPro - 410,702 bytes). Please can I have a copy of the document? >P.S. I never use FontPrint Unless Printers has a non-zero initial list of fonts. >When I finally switched to OvationPro, I found out that the latter freezes >the computer for almost 4 minutes, apparently loading lots of data into the >printer, before the printing actually starts - where Publisher always >started immediately. As others have said, try background mode. However this effect is suprising and regretable, I guess one interpretation is that the extra information OPro is downloading into your computer takes a long time for it to process. Michael Ben-Gershon... >I might add that saving the file as DDL lists all the fonts which were >defined in styles in the default document, even though they were deleted >from the actual document being edited. Thats the point I was making. An OPro document has a list of fonts used, and it attempts to keep count of them. In some cases it fails. In a simple delete all the fonts and save as DDL test, they're probably still referenced by text in the undo buffer. However when printing a scan of the text actually about to be printed is performed, which should get around the problem. So for example if you print chapter 2, it shouldn't even define fonts only used in chapter 3. I'm not trying to be argumentative, probably there is a bug here, and if you can demonstrate it to me I'll be able to fix it, but in theory it should work. There's not some fundamental design flaw that means you're always going to get unwanted font references in PS output. Incidentally, deleting the styles is not enough, there may be effects as well. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 18:01:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114331 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 18:01:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946312416:20:29271:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:33:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029260; 27 Dec 1999 16:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18059 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:15:20 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18054 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 16:15:18 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.119]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FNEQGE00.528 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:14:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 17:13:43 +0100 Subject: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: <49770dbf80delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear Mr. Pilling and others, About defined fonts that are not actually used: Yes, indeed, your suggestion that the definition could be hidden in the undo buffer seems to be true. When I saved the test page (with only a single style defined) again, after having removed the undo buffer, the postscript output only had that single font defined. (It was even a bit shorter than the Publisher equivalent now!) So, the enigma seems to be solved. However, I can't manage to do the same with my more complex former files, although some of the unused fonts now actually disappeared from the newly created output. But probably this has something to do with not fully removed effects, or something. I mean for example, effects removed from a word, but still effective on the space after that word. Could that be true? >> P.S. I never use FontPrint > Unless Printers has a non-zero initial list of fonts. ??? What do you mean by that? Does this imply that FontPrint can be activated without being aware? Where is this list? Can it be changed? Or removed? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 19:29:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114351 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 19:29:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946322248:10:02823:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:17:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002789; 27 Dec 1999 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18399 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:59:20 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18394 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:59:19 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.103] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 122fMF-00045b-00; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:59:03 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:45:28 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:45:19 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49770dbf80delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul Sprangers wrote: > > Dear Mr. Pilling and others, > > >> P.S. I never use FontPrint > > Unless Printers has a non-zero initial list of fonts. > > ??? > What do you mean by that? > Does this imply that FontPrint can be activated without being aware? > Where is this list? > Can it be changed? > Or removed? FontPrint is the utility that allows you to tweak the table which determines how a font is treated for postscript output. In particular it lists the fonts which are not to be sent to the printer (i.e. embedded in the document) because the font can be mapped to one of the 'Base 14' postscript fonts which are built into every postscript device. Unless you have changed this list, it automatically swaps fonts like Homerton to Helvetica, Trinity to Times, Selwyn to DingBats etc. Run FontPrint if you want to examine and/or change the settings. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Dec 27 19:29:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114350 for opro ; Mon, 27 Dec 99 19:29:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946322469:20:07442:17; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 19:21:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114974; 27 Dec 1999 19:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18380 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:51:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18375 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:51:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 122fEi-000L7A-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 18:51:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 99 18:04:10 GMT Message-Id: <114333@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes, indeed, your suggestion that the definition could be hidden in the >undo buffer seems to be true. When I saved the test page (with only a >single style defined) again, after having removed the undo buffer, the >postscript output only had that single font defined. Well... I'd expect the undo buffer thing to only be a get out for saving as DDL. Printing should depend on just the text that is to be printed. >created output. But probably this has something to do with not fully >removed effects, or something. I mean for example, effects removed from a >word, but still effective on the space after that word. Could that be true? Yes that was my hope all along. Spaces in a given font are a legitimate get out, you can't see them, but they need to be in the correct font. A less legitimate problem might be a number of effects in a row where only the last font matters, but the others appear in the document. This shouldn't happen, but it might, a DDL save/reload will clean up such things. A DDL save will let you see if fonts are used somewhere, as well as being defined at the start. >> Unless Printers has a non-zero initial list of fonts. >What do you mean by that? the old implication trick... >Does this imply that FontPrint can be activated without being aware? Seemingly. I've never used FontPrint either, but if you just run it and select a PS printer, it shows you the list of currently mapped fonts, and on my system that list is quite extensive. There is an applet that prints out a list of fonts used in a document, in this context it uses the table in the document, rather than actually checking if the fonts are used, and so is less accurate. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 02:18:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114367 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 02:17:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946345992:20:11547:18; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:53:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011524; 28 Dec 1999 1:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19518 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:26:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA19513 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:26:44 GMT Received: from (62.188.145.22) [62.188.145.22] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 122lPA-00003v-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:26:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 01:23:30 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.50 Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 27 Dec 1999 (22:44:45), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way >>that WIMP environments do, > >I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most >of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live >in one layer, frames in another. > >Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why >such layers are useful? I think the main point of having layers is the facility to make them selectable/non-selectable or visible/invisible as required. I have drawfiles for example in DrawPlus format where I have a number of views or options co-existing in the same file. A couple of clicks calls to life the particular aspects I need to combine for printing or export. I occasionally modify an Ovation file by selecting some text I don't want printed and making it white, so I guess I'd fairly quickly develop uses for layers within the package if it became available in this way. In the sense that frames can be given a front-to-back priority I suppose a basic form of layering is already in place, providing more control over it could be a logical step to take. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 02:18:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114368 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 02:17:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946336266:10:29284:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:11:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124994; 27 Dec 1999 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18937 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:53:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18927 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:53:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 122j0U-0007Te-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:52:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 99 22:36:41 GMT Message-Id: <114355@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My recollection of how Impression uses Draw files is as follows: >The 'front' object is stretched to the length of the side of the >frame. The rest of the objects are spread out along the length of >the frame. >The corners are created by virtue of them being one of the >non-stretched objects in the Draw file. This system enabled you to >create, say, 5 filled circular bobbles which would stay circular >('cause they're spread out, not stretched) and run along the side >of the frame. I think *relative* spacing was preserved. Is this actually correct? It would be very interesting to me if so. At the moment my support for Draw file borders only understands 2 objects, a corner and something which is stretched. I have it in mind to allow repetition of elements along the sides instead of stretching. The way I propose doing that is having a button to say "repeat", but if there is already a standard for it... >to completely cover a frame. The problem is selecting and editing >text in the frame below. I know there's a shift-ctrl double-click >combination... but that won't put the caret in the lower frame! Hmm. Something devious that moves the caret to the start of the next story, search/replace + all stories... >Can two frames be 'joined' (is in Draw) to make a hollow middle? There is not a join function, but the path editor supports moves so a doughnut shape can be constructed. >Another frame underneath can then be clicked on and edited in, >Would text be able to flow around the frame by flowing into the >middle too? Yes. >While I'm here... WRT drop shadows on frames. Any chance they could >be made an arbitrary direction (angle) and optionally stay at that >angle when the frame's rotated? Wouldn't that just look horrible? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 02:18:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114369 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 02:18:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946336487:10:10264:16; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 23:14:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010128; 27 Dec 1999 23:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18939 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:53:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18932 for ; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:53:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 122j0W-0007Te-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Dec 1999 22:52:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 27 Dec 99 22:44:45 GMT Message-Id: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Layers (Was Draw file borders) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way >that WIMP environments do, I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live in one layer, frames in another. Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why such layers are useful? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 14:08:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114381 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:08:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946380275:20:07148:16; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:24:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007050; 28 Dec 1999 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20375 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20370 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:43 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.194) [62.188.133.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 122uNS-0002Jz-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Suggestion - hidden graphics frames. Message-ID: <497774f9a3simon.young@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear All, When working on large documents with a lot of graphics, the graphics slow things down a lot - even on a fast machine with plenty of memory. So we can turn them all off! Fine, except wouldn't it be nice if the graphic(s) in the active frame/frame groups were always displayed. Then if you click on a frame, its graphic would appear - you can maninpulate it in the normal way, then click back on the text frame it disappears and you continue typing. Wouldn't that be neat? Secondly, I use embedded frames for things like equations embedded into the text of the document. I think that once you've selected "hide graphics" it would be nice to have the option to "view embedded frames" so that I could always see the equations - without having to see all of the pretty diagrams as well. What do you think? Regards, Simon. -- Simon A. Young BPharm MRPharmS | Tel: 01705-842152 Lecturer in Pharmaceutics | Fax: 01705-843565 University of Portsmouth |e-mail: simon.young@port.ac.uk |e-mail: simon.young@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Please visit our web-site located at: http://www.sci.port.ac.uk/pharmacy/drug_del.htm http://userwww.port.ac.uk/youngs ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 14:08:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114382 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:08:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946380418:20:09088:18; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:26:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109375; 28 Dec 1999 11:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20369 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA20364 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:41 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.194) [62.188.133.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 122uNP-0002Jz-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 11:01:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 10:55:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Text flow around frames in multiple columns Message-ID: <497774694esimon.young@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear All, Please advise if this is a problem or if I'm just being stupid (again). The problem is text flow around frames - which works brilliantly EXCEPT when you have a multiple column document: Here, if you have two (say) graphics frames adjacent to each other with flow options set for them - say you want the graphics frames on the outside and the text flowing down the middle - things go horribly wrong. One column seems to affect the next! Particularly vexing is the column break - try generating 2 columns of text with 1 frame in each with text flow set to RHS only. Now move the RHS frame (keeping inside the RHS column) so that the bottom of the LHS frame (remaining totally in LHS column) is level with the middle of RHS frame. .... and if you think that's confusing, move the two frames (in their respective columns) apart vertically, and suddenly life is perfect again. What am I doing wrong? Or am I just missing the point? Yours hopefully, Simon. -- Simon A. Young BPharm MRPharmS | Tel: 01705-842152 Lecturer in Pharmaceutics | Fax: 01705-843565 University of Portsmouth |e-mail: simon.young@port.ac.uk |e-mail: simon.young@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Please visit our web-site located at: http://www.sci.port.ac.uk/pharmacy/drug_del.htm http://userwww.port.ac.uk/youngs ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 14:08:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114383 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946386561:20:17710:16; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:09:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117837; 28 Dec 1999 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA20739 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:50:11 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20734 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 12:50:09 GMT Received: (qmail 4902 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1999 12:49:47 -0000 Received: from userbz44.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.150.13) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1999 12:49:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 20:45:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <49749370dcpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <497410ad1asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgatew User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497410ad1asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk>, Steven Pampling wrote: > In article <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net>, > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > I've been using WORD on the (spit) PC etc, It allows this and it seemed > > an ok idea. > How to win friends and influence people (not) that kind of malarky is why > PC users get so much stick about the bilge mailings they send, HTML add ins > code for bold etc... > It's also how to slow down the work flow on a PC, every mail message has to > restart Word. Standard setup at work is to DISABLE WordMail. > If you don't have a decent mail editor, get one. > At the end of the day, mail is merely text, most mail readers don't show > bold or italic etc, so why choke the system up with redundant codes for > that? Oh my goodness, beat me with sticks. I use Pluto which is fine but there are times when I write a longer missive and I use OPro for that. For example when I write a report on an examination it is usually a few page long. At present I save this as text and then attach it to an email set up in Pluto. Why is it so much of a problem to get a button on OPro to do this small chore for me? All I want is for OPro applet to save the file I am typing in OPro and either put it into the body of an email in Pluto or as an attachment to an email which I can the address using Pluto. Did not seem like such a big deal when I first asked the question. I don't want italics or any other such formatting. -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 14:08:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114384 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:08:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946390016:20:18333:16; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:06:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018320; 28 Dec 1999 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA20936 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:51:41 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20931 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:51:40 GMT Received: (qmail 12542 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1999 13:51:17 -0000 Received: from userk650.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.226) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1999 13:51:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:41:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49749370dcpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgatew User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49749370dcpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net>, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: [Snip] > Oh my goodness, beat me with sticks. I use Pluto which is fine but there > are times when I write a longer missive and I use OPro for that. For > example when I write a report on an examination it is usually a few page > long. At present I save this as text and then attach it to an email set > up in Pluto. Why is it so much of a problem to get a button on OPro to > do this small chore for me? > All I want is for OPro applet to save the file I am typing in OPro and > either put it into the body of an email in Pluto or as an attachment to > an email which I can the address using Pluto. Did not seem like such a > big deal when I first asked the question. I don't want italics or any > other such formatting. Sorry Peter... Am I missing something here? I don't quite understand what you can't do... Sometimes I write things up in OvPro... especially if I'm going to do other things with the stuff... as well as Email it. If I want to put the stuff I've written into the body of a Pluto Email, I just click the "SaveAs" button on my OvPro tool bar, drag the displayed Save icon to the open pluto Write Mail/News window and there it is. Similarly if I want to attach said text, I click the "SaveAs" button and drag the displayed Save icon to the yellow part of the Pluto window as per usual. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 16:11:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114398 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 16:11:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946393107:20:21075:38; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:58:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102632; 28 Dec 1999 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21100 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:43:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21095 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:43:51 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 122xqT-0003dY-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:43:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:27:46 GMT Message-Id: <114394@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suggestion - hidden graphics frames. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When working on large documents with a lot of graphics, the graphics slow >things down a lot - even on a fast machine with plenty of memory. So we >can turn them all off! Fine, except wouldn't it be nice if the graphic(s) >in the active frame/frame groups were always displayed. >Secondly, I use embedded frames for things like equations embedded into >the text of the document. I think that once you've selected "hide >graphics" it would be nice to have the option to "view embedded frames" so >that I could always see the equations - without having to see all of This is one of those cases... The above features would not be too hard to add, for some people they would be very useful. The problem is that for many others they'd just get in the way, 2 more buttons, 2 more things to understand and remember about. Before you know it someone would be saying the program was clumsy or bloated. The feature to show a picture in a selected frame is neat, it would not be trivial to add because presumeably you'd like tidy redraws, those redraws would also take time, so clicking on frames would become sluggish. I know from Ovation 1 that people don't like that sort of thing [1] Showing the pictures in embedded frames would be a lot easier. Maybe one could have a feature that if you attempt to edit a picture (triple click) then it becomes visible. (notice no extra buttons). One workaround open to you today, is to generate proxies for your slow to render pictures. [1] There to support some sort of double click feature, there was a pause between single clicking and anything happening - I think everyone assumed it was just a slow program, but really it was a case of the design being wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 16:11:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114399 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 16:11:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946393205:20:22109:18; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 15:00:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022011; 28 Dec 1999 14:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA21114 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:44:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21109 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:44:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 122xqd-0003dY-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:43:39 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 14:27:54 GMT Message-Id: <114396@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around frames in multiple columns X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Particularly vexing is the column break - try generating 2 columns of text >with 1 frame in each with text flow set to RHS only. Now move the RHS >frame (keeping inside the RHS column) so that the bottom of the LHS frame >(remaining totally in LHS column) is level with the middle of RHS frame. Oops. Looks like an unintended feature. I suppose text flow to the right in a frame that occupies the full column width is not very useful, but it should not do that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 17:22:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114402 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 17:22:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946399242:20:22731:20; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:40:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116732; 28 Dec 1999 16:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21441 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:12:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21436 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:12:14 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.48) [193.149.85.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 122zDx-0001VB-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:11:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 09:57:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Message-ID: <49776f2f27steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114333@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114333@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <114333@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > A less legitimate problem might be a number of effects in a row > > where only the last font matters, but the others appear in the document. > This shouldn't happen, but it might, a DDL save/reload will clean up > such things. Just a small question arising from that: how difficult would it be to create a "cleanup" routine? i.e a routine that effectively exported to a temporary file as DDL and then re-imported the same temp file to cleanup the document and remove the unused effects, fonts etc. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 17:22:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114404 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 17:22:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946401793:20:15753:23; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:23:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015743; 28 Dec 1999 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21553 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:08:44 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21548 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 17:08:41 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02559 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:08:08 +0100 Message-Id: <199912281708.SAA02559@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 28 Dec 1999 16:43:51 GMT Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why >such layers are useful? > Could eradicate all problems selecting/activating overlapping things if used properly. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 18:42:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114416 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 18:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946405988:10:24097:20; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:33:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023884; 28 Dec 1999 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21756 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:04:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21751 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:04:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1230yf-000JBe-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:04:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 17:31:10 GMT Message-Id: <114407@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 18:42:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114417 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 18:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946405221:20:21954:22; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:20:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021875; 28 Dec 1999 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21762 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:04:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21757 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:04:39 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1230yg-000JBe-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:04:11 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 17:31:16 GMT Message-Id: <114409@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why >>such layers are useful? >Could eradicate all problems selecting/activating overlapping things >if used properly. The sort of things which worry me, are if objects on one layer affect the text flow in objects on other layers. Is the order of layers something that is set on the master pages, on document pages (one page at a time), or globally for the whole document? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 21:06:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114420 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 21:06:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946410280:20:11327:17; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:44:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011314; 28 Dec 1999 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22116 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:13:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22111 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:13:31 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12323N-000FAs-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:13:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:19:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Help needed. I have used a SCSI Zip disc, formerly via a PowerROM SCSI board under RISCOS 3.6 with no troubles. I am now upgraded to Castle DMA Storm board and RISCOS 4. There appeared no problem as it loads and saves 12MB TIFF files into Photodesk, large Draw files etc. Today - as I prepare to send a file to the printers - I find that when an OvPro document is saved to the SCSI Zip disc and I try to reload it from the disc as a test, up pops the "Type 5" error box. This behaviour is repeated if I copy the Zip disc file back to the hard disc and try from there. Any ideas - urgent solution needed... -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 21:38:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114430 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 21:38:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946415918:10:12032:16; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:18:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011694; 28 Dec 1999 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22384 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:03:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22365 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:03:10 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.106) [194.69.106.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1233lP-0001dk-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:08:38 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders Message-ID: <4977A19920%mik@xemik.com> References: <114355@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114355@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <114355@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > I have it in mind to allow repetition of elements along the sides > instead of stretching. The way I propose doing that is having a > button to say "repeat", but if there is already a standard for it... I'd find that very useful but I'm not sure of the method use by ImpPub. However, one refinement I'd like to see is the border having an option to take its width from the actual size of the drawfile image. ATM most of the borders I want to use end up looking like an elephant has sat on them! It's a real nuisance trying to figure out the nec' width. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ There are more horses' asses in this world than there are horses -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 21:38:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114431 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 21:38:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946416176:10:14669:17; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:22:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116647; 28 Dec 1999 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22356 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22351 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:50 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.106) [194.69.106.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1233l9-0001dk-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:50:30 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <49779FF018%mik@xemik.com> References: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > If I want to put the stuff I've written into the body of a Pluto Email, I > just click the "SaveAs" button on my OvPro tool bar, drag the displayed > Save icon to the open pluto Write Mail/News window and there it is. There's no need to 'saveas' either. You can highlight the text & simply drag to the text wdw. (Works in ZapEmail, but not having Pluto I don't know if /that/ supports this.) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ I'd love to, but I'm going to be old someday. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 22:34:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114435 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 22:33:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946416160:20:08179:20; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:22:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008157; 28 Dec 1999 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22462 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:08:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22456 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:08:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1233qN-000K9f-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:07:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 18:44:35 GMT Message-Id: <114418@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Two questions concerning OvationPro & Postscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just a small question arising from that: how difficult would it be to >create a "cleanup" routine? >i.e a routine that effectively exported to a temporary file as DDL and then >re-imported the same temp file to cleanup the document and remove the >unused effects, fonts etc. Not very difficult, probably that will come to pass one day. Given time one could write code to check documents for internal consistency. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 22:34:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114436 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 22:34:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946417247:20:20071:17; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:40:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109140; 28 Dec 1999 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22363 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22358 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:54 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.106) [194.69.106.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1233lD-0001dk-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:03:30 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <4977A120D3%mik@xemik.com> References: <199912281708.SAA02559@widukind.bi.teuto.net> In-Reply-To: <199912281708.SAA02559@widukind.bi.teuto.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <199912281708.SAA02559@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > [snip] > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why such > > layers are useful? > Could eradicate all problems selecting/activating overlapping things if > used properly. I'd agree with this. I have had problems getting at smaller frames without messing up the order of other larger frames. I'd also add that there is already a good example of the use of layers in OPro. Master pages, perhaps? If it was extended, you could have a basic master page (letterhead) which is modified on a second level (statement, invoice, quote) and 'variable' text input on a third level. Or you could have (say) two graphics level: one with the 'real' images & one with a text description. Then you can easily swap out graphics for draft printing. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Each problem solved introduces a new unsolved problem. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 22:34:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114438 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 22:34:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946418129:20:26483:42; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:55:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124264; 28 Dec 1999 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22567 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:40:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22562 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:40:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1234LL-000PYC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:39:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 21:31:21 GMT Message-Id: <114428@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Help needed. I have used a SCSI Zip disc, formerly via a PowerROM SCSI board >under RISCOS 3.6 with no troubles. I am now upgraded to Castle DMA Storm >board and RISCOS 4. There appeared no problem as it loads and saves 12MB >TIFF files into Photodesk, large Draw files etc. >Today - as I prepare to send a file to the printers - I find that when an >OvPro document is saved to the SCSI Zip disc and I try to reload it from the >disc as a test, up pops the "Type 5" error box. This behaviour is repeated if >I copy the Zip disc file back to the hard disc and try from there. Well one conclusion is that the file on the Zip is corrupt. The next question is if the original on hard disc will load OK? If yes, then you know that saving to Zip is corrupting it. So you could try copying from hard disc to Zip - that will write the file slowly rather than the block transfer of memory to disc which OPro uses to save documents. There is a program on my web site which you can use to test block saves to SCSI discs. This is a big subject, SCSI termination etc. etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 28 22:36:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114440 for opro ; Tue, 28 Dec 99 22:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946416176:10:14669:17; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:22:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116647; 28 Dec 1999 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22356 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22351 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:50 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.106) [194.69.106.106] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1233l9-0001dk-00; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:02:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 18:50:30 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <49779FF018%mik@xemik.com> References: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > If I want to put the stuff I've written into the body of a Pluto Email, I > just click the "SaveAs" button on my OvPro tool bar, drag the displayed > Save icon to the open pluto Write Mail/News window and there it is. There's no need to 'saveas' either. You can highlight the text & simply drag to the text wdw. (Works in ZapEmail, but not having Pluto I don't know if /that/ supports this.) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ I'd love to, but I'm going to be old someday. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 01:30:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114444 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 01:30:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946421489:20:03410:23; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:51:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003211; 28 Dec 1999 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23049 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:34:55 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA23044 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:34:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 1235CC-0001D7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:34:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 99 21:39:21 GMT Message-Id: <114432@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, one refinement I'd like to see is the border having an option to >take its width from the actual size of the drawfile image. Done that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 01:30:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114445 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 01:30:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946421235:10:18007:17; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:47:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017982; 28 Dec 1999 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23012 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:32:34 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23007 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:32:32 GMT Received: (qmail 11222 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1999 22:32:05 -0000 Received: from userm018.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.77.68) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Dec 1999 22:32:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:47:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <4977b02ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <49779FF018%mik@xemik.com> References: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> <49779FF018%mik@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49779FF018%mik@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In article <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > > If I want to put the stuff I've written into the body of a Pluto > > Email, I just click the "SaveAs" button on my OvPro tool bar, drag the > > displayed Save icon to the open pluto Write Mail/News window and there > > it is. > There's no need to 'saveas' either. You can highlight the text & simply > drag to the text wdw. (Works in ZapEmail, but not having Pluto I don't > know if /that/ supports this.) Yes indeed Mik, the drag does work from OvPro into the body or or the yellow bit of the Pluto Write window for an attachment. The Poster was specifically asking for a button though... Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 01:31:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114448 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 01:31:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946423650:20:21476:36; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:27:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113221; 28 Dec 1999 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA23158 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:59:28 GMT Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23151 for ; Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:59:25 GMT Received: (qmail 8739 invoked from network); 28 Dec 1999 22:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tinshill.force9.net) (212.159.69.214) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Dec 1999 22:58:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 22:26:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 27 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > >that WIMP environments do, > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, most > of the support is in there already. For example the guidelines live > in one layer, frames in another. > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to why > such layers are useful? > If you ever use a stack of frames and one of the lower ones doesn't show it can be a pain to find it when something needs editing. If frames were assigned to a layer it could be made the focus so e frame in the middle (or bottom) of a stack could be edited without changing the stack order perhaps. Layers could even enable the selective printing of elements on a page for proofing (so each author only sees their own work before publication perhaps). You seem to be looking for reasons to do what sounds as though it will not be a huge effort to implement, hope the ones I offer either give you the reason to proceed, or prove it is so trivial in use that it wouldn't be worth coding anyway. Anthony -- ajh@tinshill.f9.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 14:07:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114460 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 14:07:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946461368:20:02115:19; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:56:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001794; 29 Dec 1999 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24501 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:38:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24496 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:38:56 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123FYj-000Iys-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 09:38:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 08:24:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc Message-ID: <4977ea6fc5tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114428@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114428@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >Help needed. I have used a SCSI Zip disc, formerly via a PowerROM SCSI > >board under RISCOS 3.6 with no troubles. I am now upgraded to Castle > >DMA Storm board and RISCOS 4. There appeared no problem as it loads and > >saves 12MB TIFF files into Photodesk, large Draw files etc. > >Today - as I prepare to send a file to the printers - I find that when > >an OvPro document is saved to the SCSI Zip disc and I try to reload it > >from the disc as a test, up pops the "Type 5" error box. This behaviour > >is repeated if I copy the Zip disc file back to the hard disc and try > >from there. > Well one conclusion is that the file on the Zip is corrupt. > The next question is if the original on hard disc will load OK? > If yes, then you know that saving to Zip is corrupting it. So you could > try copying from hard disc to Zip - that will write the file slowly > rather than the block transfer of memory to disc which OPro uses to save > documents. > There is a program on my web site which you can use to test block saves > to SCSI discs. > This is a big subject, SCSI termination etc. etc. > David Pilling I had exactly the same problem with my Zip disc on a Cumana card - moved the cumana card to a non DMA slot - problem cured. This happened to me originally in the early days of Opro and was cured by an upgrade to the Cumana software which enabled me to put the card back in DMA which substantially increased the scanning speed of my Epson GT9000 - With Risc OS 4 installed the problem reappeared and I have put the Cumana card back in a non DMA slot, this time the the speed of scanning has not been noticeably affected. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 14:07:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114459 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 14:07:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946465282:10:18098:18; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:01:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127078; 29 Dec 1999 11:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24680 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:41:47 GMT Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24675 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:41:46 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.166.203]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4EB8 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:40:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:29:23 +0100 Subject: Choices window not updating? Message-ID: <4977f5e542delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all, Following an advice in this mail list to tick 'Background' in the Print Choices, and Save that, I found out that when you start OvationPro again, the tick is disappeared. The same is true for changes in 'Print Memory'. However, I have reason to believe - after some experimenting - that the new choices are still valid, only the choices window doesn't update correctly. Is this true? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 14:07:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114461 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 14:07:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946463823:20:27099:22; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:37:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126488; 29 Dec 1999 10:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24623 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:22:30 GMT Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24618 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:22:28 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123GEs-000FLE-0X for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:21:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 10:21:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <114428@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R You are a gem, Sir. While not really solving the problem (which lies with Castle, I think) your comments have enabled me to get the things working. On Tue 28 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > >Using Castle Storm DMA SCSI interface. > >Today - as I prepare to send a file to the printers - I find that when an > >OvPro document is saved to the SCSI Zip disc and I try to reload it from the > >disc as a test, up pops the "Type 5" error box. This behaviour is repeated if > >I copy the Zip disc file back to the hard disc and try from there. > > > Well one conclusion is that the file on the Zip is corrupt. > > The next question is if the original on hard disc will load OK? Yes, this is OK > > If yes, then you know that saving to Zip is corrupting it. So you could > try copying from hard disc to Zip - that will write the file slowly > rather than the block transfer of memory to disc which OPro uses to save > documents. That was what I had done originally. In fact I had tried it both ways. > > There is a program on my web site which you can use to test block > saves to SCSI discs. Used that and it worked OK, over several iterations, with file size in excess of the OvPro one which originally failed. > > This is a big subject, SCSI termination etc. etc. > OK. The Zip is in a chain between the computer and a scanner. Scanner externally terminated. Termination switch on Zip was in OFF position (logic being it is not at the end of the chain!). Now moved Zip termination switch to ON. It works!! Tried 'Select all' of the several files to copy from HD to Zip. Copying started but then hung the machine with a 'Time out under command' filing error. Restarted and copied files one at a time. No trouble. Now gone off topic so must take it up with Castle. Thanks again for your pointers. I am out of the hole. -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 15:13:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114479 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 15:13:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946479521:10:26502:18; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:58:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114250; 29 Dec 1999 14:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25233 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:35:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25216 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:35:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123KBF-000DvI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:34:25 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 99 14:19:26 GMT Message-Id: <114468@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OK. The Zip is in a chain between the computer and a scanner. Scanner externally >terminated. Termination switch on Zip was in OFF position (logic being it is not >at the end of the chain!). Now moved Zip termination switch to ON. It works!! Is the card terminator on? If your configuration is; T - scanner - zip - card then the card must have its terminator enabled from the castle SCSI manager. Obviously if the system is; T - scanner - zip - card - internal HD - T Then as shown the internal HD should be terminated. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 15:13:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114480 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 15:13:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946479033:20:05904:17; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:50:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005953; 29 Dec 1999 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA25238 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:35:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25232 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:35:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123KBG-000DvI-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:34:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 99 14:26:28 GMT Message-Id: <114470@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Choices window not updating? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Following an advice in this mail list to tick 'Background' in the Print >Choices, and Save that, I found out that when you start OvationPro again, >the tick is disappeared. >However, I have reason to believe - after some experimenting - that the new >choices are still valid, only the choices window doesn't update correctly. >Is this true? Not as far as I know. I've just tried changing these choices and after reloading the program, the changed values are shown. When you save choices the file !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices is written. So one line is to see if this file is being written when you click on save choices, and you can look at it in an editor and see if the values in it are changing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 22:09:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114492 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 22:09:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946504145:20:21019:20; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:49:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112429; 29 Dec 1999 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26125 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:31:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26120 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:31:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.65) [193.149.78.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 123QgN-0002Fj-00; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:31:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:13:24 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders Message-ID: <497825DF09%mik@xemik.com> References: <114432@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114432@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <114432@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > >However, one refinement I'd like to see is the border having an option to > >take its width from the actual size of the drawfile image. > Done that. Wonderful! I'm impressed. (Erm, can I say that?) So when do we get it? ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for free usually costs more. Brendan Francis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 22:09:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114493 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 22:09:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946497841:10:29519:16; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 20:04:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103402; 29 Dec 1999 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25871 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:48:25 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA25866 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:48:24 GMT Received: (qmail 9646 invoked from network); 29 Dec 1999 19:47:45 -0000 Received: from userbj70.uk.uudial.com (HELO newISP.gateway.net) (62.188.143.233) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Dec 1999 19:47:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Blenkinsop To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 14:30:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <4977881879peter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgatew User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <497783a934dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > In article <49749370dcpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net>, > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > [Snip] > > Oh my goodness, beat me with sticks. I use Pluto which is fine but there > > are times when I write a longer missive and I use OPro for that. For > > example when I write a report on an examination it is usually a few page > > long. At present I save this as text and then attach it to an email set > > up in Pluto. Why is it so much of a problem to get a button on OPro to > > do this small chore for me? > > All I want is for OPro applet to save the file I am typing in OPro and > > either put it into the body of an email in Pluto or as an attachment to > > an email which I can the address using Pluto. Did not seem like such a > > big deal when I first asked the question. I don't want italics or any > > other such formatting. > Sorry Peter... Am I missing something here? > I don't quite understand what you can't do... > Sometimes I write things up in OvPro... especially if I'm going to do > other things with the stuff... as well as Email it. > If I want to put the stuff I've written into the body of a Pluto Email, I > just click the "SaveAs" button on my OvPro tool bar, drag the displayed > Save icon to the open pluto Write Mail/News window and there it is. > Similarly if I want to attach said text, I click the "SaveAs" button and > drag the displayed Save icon to the yellow part of the Pluto window as per > usual. > Cheers > Dave S Perhpas I am not being clear enough. What i want is to be able to write a message in OPro and save this automatically, using a button on the button bar of OPro, into Pluto so that OPro is acting like an email writer. I thought it would be quite simple to write an applet for. If it is not then I will use the global clipboard method suggested by another respondant. I simply saves a few button clicks. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- ======================================================================== Have a nice day, now. Don't want to! Peter Blenkinsop AcornRiscPC/Pluto/ANT -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 22:09:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114494 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 22:09:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946504579:20:24350:22; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:56:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024348; 29 Dec 1999 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26204 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:41:52 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26199 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:41:50 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.233]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FNIUW003.96I for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:40:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:39:50 +0100 Subject: Choices window not updating? Message-ID: <497833471bdelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <114470@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114470@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Not as far as I know. I've just tried changing these choices and after > reloading the program, the changed values are shown. I've refined my experience: When you reload OvationPro (after some changes in the Print choices window) these changes are correctly shown when you open the choices window first. But as soon as you open a document (e.g. the default page) and open the choices window again, the changes seem to have disappeared. (The !Choices file remains unchanged, though.) Is this only true on my system, or do others have the same experience? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 29 22:09:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114495 for opro ; Wed, 29 Dec 99 22:09:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946504006:10:24436:16; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:46:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107376; 29 Dec 1999 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26118 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:31:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA26113 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:31:26 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.65) [193.149.78.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 123QgA-0002Fj-00; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:30:47 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:07:05 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <4978254B09%mik@xemik.com> References: <49779FF018%mik@xemik.com> <4977b02ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4977b02ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4977b02ff3dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > There's no need to 'saveas' either. You can highlight the text & simply > > drag to the text wdw. (Works in ZapEmail, but not having Pluto I don't > > know if /that/ supports this.) > Yes indeed Mik, the drag does work from OvPro into the body or or the > yellow bit of the Pluto Write window for an attachment. > > The Poster was specifically asking for a button though... I realise that, but we must not overlook the other methods which make ROS easier to use (IMO) than some other OSs. >From posts in other lists it seems some ppl aren't aware that they /can/ often drag text directly out of a wdw. I use Easiwriter to write a PBeM turn; then I simply drag the entire text to Messenger Pro to send. No fuss, no mess just two programs working in harmony as Acorn intended. (Now if only we could export this idea to Micro$oft, wouldn't the world be a happier place?) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ The bigger they are, the harder they hit. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:52:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114503 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:52:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946509498:10:27497:16; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:18:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027440; 29 Dec 1999 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26565 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:54:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26560 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:54:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123RyY-0008Ei-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:53:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 99 22:16:47 GMT Message-Id: <114498@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Choices window not updating? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When you reload OvationPro (after some changes in the Print choices window) >these changes are correctly shown when you open the choices window first. >But as soon as you open a document (e.g. the default page) and open the >choices window again, the changes seem to have disappeared. >(The !Choices file remains unchanged, though.) Not my experience. It did give me an idea though. The CCprfix script (which is installed to allow printing the correct way up on CC drivers) does twiddle some print choices settings, but not enough to cause the problems above. It is triggered when you print something. Anyway could be you have a script or applet installed which changes the settings, on an open document event. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:52:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114504 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:52:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946509854:20:10099:16; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:24:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128346; 29 Dec 1999 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26559 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:54:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26553 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:54:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123RyW-0008Ei-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:53:48 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Dec 99 22:12:50 GMT Message-Id: <114496@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> >However, one refinement I'd like to see is the border having an option to >> >take its width from the actual size of the drawfile image. >> Done that. >Wonderful! I'm impressed. (Erm, can I say that?) So when do we get it? ;-) In due course... I'd been managing about one version a month recently, but I guess things will slip well into January, with the current festivities. The major feature I have added so far is the ability to copy chapters between documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114505 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946511901:10:15050:16; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:58:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126703; 29 Dec 1999 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA26745 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:30:30 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26740 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:30:28 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.80.215] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 123SXI-0005lx-00; Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:29:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:18:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Email applet Message-ID: <49782659e6ray@magray.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49749370dcpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> References: <497252759cpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net> <7992727249.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> <497304f06bpeter.blenkinsop@ukgatew User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49749370dcpeter.blenkinsop@ukgateway.net>, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > Oh my goodness, beat me with sticks. I use Pluto which is fine but > there are times when I write a longer missive and I use OPro for that. > For example when I write a report on an examination it is usually a few > page long. At present I save this as text and then attach it to an > email set up in Pluto. Why is it so much of a problem to get a button > on OPro to do this small chore for me? Why not use the OP>HTML applet available from (Levens Software?). Save the document out as an HTML file and attach it to a blank Pluot message. The recipient can just click on a page and the whole thing miraculously appear as an HTML document at the other end as well. You may need to set the MIME (PC) option in Pluto to make sure the various parts of the file are filetyped .htm, .gif etc. Contrary to what is said elsewhere on Acorn groups, I'd much rather encourage reasonable sized HTML messages than massive Word ones. At least they aren't platform dependant and they can be made to look impressive (or Ovationish) if you take the trouble. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114506 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946516773:20:10959:16; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:19:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010925; 30 Dec 1999 1:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27058 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:51 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27051 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:47 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21708 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:05 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:54:46 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Layers (Was Draw file borders) Message-ID: <4f233a7849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <114357@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Currently documents are flat - they have layers in the same way > > that WIMP environments do, > > I'll say this, it would be relatively easy to add layers to OPro, > most of the support is in there already. For example the > guidelines live in one layer, frames in another. > > Some other packages support layers. Anyone got a good pointer to > why such layers are useful? > Perhaps... - Constructing overhead projetor slides which are designed to build up to form a final point of part of a talk, but each element needs to be printed on a seperate sheet of acatate. - I had a fleeting thought about PhotoDesk images being imported with the layering intact... or Vantage layers... but lost the thread of this before a useful idea emerged. - Virtual layers could contain only frame borders, or only line objects (ie: not text/graphic frames). By selecting a virtual layer editing could be restricted to those types of objects enabling less ambiguous selection (and therefore editing) of overlapping objects. - A hidden layer could be used as a user's pastboard for prototyping diferent ideas. By switching between active layers several versions of a document could be compared (My boss would see the benfits of this - I would be able to present multiple choice for advertising artwork). - A hidden layer for crossword solutions. - Lock out (visible but uneditable) layers with permanent graphics on to prevent un-intentional editing. Similar to how a master page works I suppose, but some users might find this a more natural modus operandi. - Magnetic layers (like the ArtWorks extension) where all the objects in a layer (only that layer?) act as snap-to guides for objects being positioned in other layers. One document cound have two or more guide layers so that different layout formats in the same chapter could be quickly constructed (is Mark Moxon out there?) This would benfit from... - ...being able to export a layer on its own so that pre-set guide layouts could be brought into documents to aid layouts. - A layer could optionally force all the attributes of objects in it to be the same. So, for example, if a layer contained a sheet of labels, all 'locked to layer', editing any atribute of any label (frame) in thay layer would cause all the (labels) frames to have the same attributes changed. - As above, but for object 'contents', so that all text stories or graphics in a layer where always identical. - Define a layer to 'display page number xx', allowing formats to be copied from one page to another easily, - Make a layer 'perspecivise' so that it appears, for example, to disappear into the distance (like the Star Wars prologue text). For some editing purposes, the layer could be optionally be made to be in the same plane as the screen. Several of these layers could form an inside of a box effect. - A 'spellcheck' virtual layers could contain only mis-spelt words. Perhaps this could be made to appear in front with all the other layers at 50% tint. - Useful for producing those very fancy advertising booklets that have a tracing paper secondary cover. - A virtual layer for each text story allows a different kind of editing (a word processor layer?). Enough for now. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114508 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:53:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946516833:20:11266:22; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:20:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011159; 30 Dec 1999 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27030 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:40 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27025 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:39 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21693 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:50:55 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:56:00 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <111353@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <111353@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > On 14th November I sent a message asking if it is possible > > using OvationPro to produce, for transfer to another person > > (via floppy or e-mail) a file in rich Text Format. As I have > > had no comment back I am beginning to think I must assume this > > is NOT possible. > Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in > the future. > As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... If I have my way (see TOFFEE Net http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk) all those old dead formats will become accessible. I'm planning a RISC OS platform only TOFFEE application (a sweetener?) for next year and RTF is a possible contender. The nature of the system would mean that any further extensions (HTML, DDL, OvationPro etc) would translate to and from RTF and all other supported formats. All I need to consider RTF is a good specification - one good enough to _implement_ RTF, not just render it. Please drop me a URL if you know of a good source. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114509 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:53:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946516821:10:12596:18; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:20:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012577; 30 Dec 1999 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27048 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:45 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27038 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:43 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21701 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:01 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:02:40 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Good table handling Message-ID: <4b5e357849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <113080@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello. Good table handling, for me, would be like HTML, where the table adjusts to fit the text in it (to some extent). I could imagine a table 'frame' in which tabs are converted into columns, and new paragraphs converted into rows.. or something like that. All the colouring, spacing and border type stuff could be handled by a Modify Table Frame dialogue, and the whole thing could be embedded in the text. This would make conversion to and from HTML (the format of the future, did someone here say not long ago?) very easy. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114510 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:53:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946516834:20:11292:18; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:20:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104293; 30 Dec 1999 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27065 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:52:00 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27060 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:51 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21711 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:07 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 22:44:08 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Scalar frames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7b4d9f6d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings. I have an idea for an attribute that could be added to frames and groups of frames: Scalar. I sometimes set out display adverts in OP and find myself wanting to put a thumbnail reference on a cover letter for clarity. This is normally only possible if the whole thing has been done in ArtWorks and so can easily be scaled down. If I set the text out in Ovation, perhaps using many frames, and then try to scale it all down to put it in a letter for reference, it gets very difficult with all those different fonts and sizes. If, on the other hand, I could group the frames and instruct OP to render them at 25%, this would do the trick. I imagine, under this system, that the text would be notated at its normal size (it would still say 12pt rather than 3pt in the info box), but would be displayed at the percentage of its 'parent' frame/group. I also imagine this could be recursive, and the frame/group scalar could be adjusted by dragging some kind of onscreen handles with independent x and y axis. I expect there would be other uses for this like making modern magazine layouts with big titles that are artistically (modern art!) repeated at different sizes, etc. It would be less fiddly than adjusting the point size. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114511 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:53:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946516861:10:13914:18; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:21:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119878; 30 Dec 1999 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27039 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:43 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27032 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21697 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:50:59 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:46:13 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <755e2e7849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does a startup banner still take up memory after the software is loaded? -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114513 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:53:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946517743:10:08233:17; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:35:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008223; 30 Dec 1999 1:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27388 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:07:20 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (smtp3.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27379 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:07:16 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0350.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.180]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25768 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 09:06:30 +0800 (SGT) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 08:54:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Imposit applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <114498@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Seasonal greetings Acorn users all, and the amazingly talented Mr Pilling in particular. My particular problem is a tiny one concerned with the Imposit applet; for some obscure (at least to me) reason, when I select 'Booklet' from the print list, it insists on printing two copies of every page. Anyone else noticed this or is it to do with my setup? System: RiscPC with strongarm, 64MRAM, OS4.02, Ovation version 2.56. LaserDirect 2.63 and Canon LBP4+. Canon BJC7100 with various drivers. It happens with both printers and with as many settings as I've had time to try. Happy Riscing in the new millennium, -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 13:53:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114512 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 13:53:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946516849:20:11363:16; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:20:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011343; 30 Dec 1999 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27056 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:49 GMT Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA27044 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:44 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA21704 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:51:03 GMT Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:41:08 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <114355@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <114355@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > While I'm here... WRT drop shadows on frames. Any chance they > > could be made an arbitrary direction (angle) and optionally > > stay at that angle when the frame's rotated? > > Wouldn't that just look horrible? > Not if you're imagining the same thing I'm describing! ;-) Allow me explain: In sunlight (all beams assumed parallel from one direction) all shadows are displaced by the same vector. At the moment OP offers 4 vectors: one along each of the two diagonals in either direction. I always only use one direction in any document, but, if I rotate a square frame so that it is a diamond (45 degrees) the shadow rotates too. This means that that one (rotated) frame appears lit by its own personal sunlight! So, if there were an arbitrary shadow offset vector (angle and width) that did not rotate with the frame it would always appear that the shadow was produced by the same light source no matter at what angle the frame was. Do you see that? I can sent a graphic demo if needed. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 16:33:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114536 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 16:33:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946566426:20:18321:30; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:07:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018375; 30 Dec 1999 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29101 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29088 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123gtr-000D3b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:49:59 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 99 14:13:34 GMT Message-Id: <114526@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So, if there were an arbitrary shadow offset vector (angle and >width) that did not rotate with the frame it would always appear >that the shadow was produced by the same light source no matter at >what angle the frame was. >Do you see that? I can sent a graphic demo if needed I see, thats a nice idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 16:33:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114537 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 16:33:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946566434:20:18405:31; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:07:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124583; 30 Dec 1999 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29083 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:46 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123gtp-000D3b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:49:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 99 14:09:30 GMT Message-Id: <114524@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Imposit applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My particular problem is a tiny one concerned with the Imposit applet; for >some obscure (at least to me) reason, when I select 'Booklet' from the print >list, it insists on printing two copies of every page. Anyone else noticed >this or is it to do with my setup? This sounds like you've found a feature, and not a bug. Booklets try to get 4 pages on each sheet of paper. If your booklet is not a multiple of four pages but has 2 or less pages over, then the Booklet format helps save paper by printing the odd pages twice. ISTR there was a disucssion about this here a month ago, which ended up with Nick Kaijaks producing a new version of the booklet script which lets you turn this feature off. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 16:33:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114538 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 16:33:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946566503:20:19051:28; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:08:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018979; 30 Dec 1999 15:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29107 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29095 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123gts-000D3b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 99 14:14:19 GMT Message-Id: <114528@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does a startup banner still take up memory after the software is loaded? Depends how it is programmed. The Beebug one does not, because it is displayed by a program which loads the main program on top of itself. Simpler schemes would use the memory permenantly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 16:34:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114540 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 16:34:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946566765:10:10770:16; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:12:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010746; 30 Dec 1999 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29109 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:53 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29102 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123gtu-000D3b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:50:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 99 14:25:50 GMT Message-Id: <114530@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Scalar frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If, on the other hand, I could group the frames and instruct OP to >render them at 25%, this would do the trick. This would be quite easy to do. Obviously OPro can render things at different sizes already. However if people would understand, I'm not so sure. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 21:20:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114554 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 21:20:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946587519:20:14901:28; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:58:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113840; 30 Dec 1999 20:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30009 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:29:28 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA30004 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:29:27 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.248) [62.188.134.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 123mBW-0000w5-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:28:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Simon Young To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:28:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc Message-ID: <4978b0a07bsimon.young@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <114468@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <114468@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >OK. The Zip is in a chain between the computer and a scanner. Scanner > >externally terminated. Termination switch on Zip was in OFF position > >(logic being it is not at the end of the chain!). Now moved Zip > >termination switch to ON. It works!! > Is the card terminator on? > If your configuration is; > T - scanner - zip - card > then the card must have its terminator enabled from the castle SCSI > manager. > Obviously if the system is; > T - scanner - zip - card - internal HD - T > Then as shown the internal HD should be terminated. Mmmmm. Had some problems of this nature myself. Turned out to be the SCSI chain - and the data was permanently corrupted.... But, all is not yet lost! It may be that your SCSI chain is getting a little on the long side. I suggest that you remove the scanner and turn on the termination on your external SCSI ZIP drive. Hope this helps. Simon. -- Simon A. Young BPharm MRPharmS | Tel: 01705-842152 Lecturer in Pharmaceutics | Fax: 01705-843565 University of Portsmouth |e-mail: simon.young@port.ac.uk |e-mail: simon.young@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Please visit our web-site located at: http://www.sci.port.ac.uk/pharmacy/drug_del.htm http://userwww.port.ac.uk/youngs ================================================================= -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 30 21:47:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114563 for opro ; Thu, 30 Dec 99 21:47:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946589240:10:13578:16; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:27:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120210; 30 Dec 1999 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30130 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:12:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA30125 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:12:27 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.60) [62.188.135.60] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 123mr8-00022g-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:11:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:12:34 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Nick Kaijaks Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Could anybody please let me know how to contact Nick Kaijaks, thanks in anticipation. Cheers, Bryan. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 31 00:07:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114567 for opro ; Fri, 31 Dec 99 00:07:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946593234:20:00071:64; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029833; 30 Dec 1999 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30325 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:10:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA30320 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:10:05 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.99) [194.69.106.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 123nkt-0003S0-00; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:09:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Pascall) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:07:59 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Button Bar Height Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear All, Just trying out version 2.56 but have a problem with the button bar. The bar defaults to 3 times the depth I require, 6 lines instead of 2. I have added one button to the bar (appletmenu, re-previous discussion on this listing) and the sprite to go with it. Slightly re-arranging the button order at the same time. Have tried correcting the 'depth' (ctrl+adjust) and then re-saving 'macros', 'preferences' and 'choices', but nothing seems to make any differance as upon the next re-loading of Ovation, the bar is back at 6 lines. Re-booting does not solve the problem either. I cannot find any clear reference in any of the files to this depth. Is their something obvious that I have missed? Any suggestion would be gratefully received. regards, Keith Pascall -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ klp@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 31 13:58:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114579 for opro ; Fri, 31 Dec 99 13:58:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946605529:10:27063:20; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:58:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112939; 31 Dec 1999 1:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30959 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:43:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA30954 for ; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:43:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 123r5p-000IL5-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:43:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 99 00:09:58 GMT Message-Id: <114570@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Bar Height X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just trying out version 2.56 but have a problem with the button bar. >The bar defaults to 3 times the depth I require, 6 lines instead of 2. I don't believe this is anything to do with 2.56... the height depends on the number of 'new line' macros in the Macros file. There's the usual fun and games where you have more than one file which defines macros in auto run or whatever, so that saving the macros has no effect - the other file being run later. Maybe the applet is always defining its button with the new line bit set. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 1 17:05:56 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114590 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jan 100 17:05:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946723598:20:29876:16; Sat, 01 Jan 2000 10:46:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029868; 1 Jan 2000 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01673 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:27:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01668 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:27:46 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 124Lk1-0001zh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 10:26:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 17:57:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4978b0a07bsimon.young@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Thu 30 Dec, Simon Young wrote: > Mmmmm. Had some problems of this nature myself. Turned out to be the > SCSI chain - and the data was permanently corrupted.... But, all is not > yet lost! > > It may be that your SCSI chain is getting a little on the long side. I > suggest that you remove the scanner and turn on the termination on your > external SCSI ZIP drive. The manual of SCSI Zip drives says that you should use the Zip preferably at the end of the chain with termination on. On my 3 PCs and the RiscPC that is best way to let it work. With a scanner in between and without. It shows that Iomega can't make a proper SCSI device. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 1 22:15:28 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114599 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jan 100 22:15:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946753152:10:03913:17; Sat, 01 Jan 2000 18:59:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119538; 1 Jan 2000 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02506 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:31:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02501 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:31:20 GMT Received: from (193.149.70.164) [193.149.70.164] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 124THi-0000is-00; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 18:29:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 15:18:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Type 5 loading from a SCSI Zip disc Message-ID: <49799bd62bsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4978b0a07bsimon.young@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ernst Dinkla wrote: > It shows that Iomega can't make a proper SCSI device. Combined with the Windows NT parallel port drivers that cause BSoD events, it gives cause for doubt about pretty much everything they do... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 1 22:15:32 2000 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114600 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jan 100 22:15:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946757843:10:10675:17; Sat, 01 Jan 2000 20:17:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010493; 1 Jan 2000 20:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02694 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 20:01:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02689 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 20:01:08 GMT Received: from (194.69.100.78) [194.69.100.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 124Ugn-0002jo-00; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:59:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Pascall) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 19:56:57 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Button Bar Height Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > There's the usual fun and games where you have more than one file > which defines macros in auto run or whatever, so that saving the > macros has no effect - the other file being run later. > > Maybe the applet is always defining its button with the new line bit > set. Dear David, Thankyou for your reply, have done some more testing and can report the following: I only use one Macros file. After loading my normal Macros file from 2.52 into 2.56, bar height is OK. If an existing Macro is added to bar, height is OK. If a 'NEW' Macro is added to list and to the bar, height jumps to 6 lines if program is reloaded. If the 'NEW' Macro is removed from bar only, height is OK. If 'Cancel' is clicked on in the Macros Window Button Bar jumps to 6 lines independant of the above comments. This can be corrected and does not remain on reloading. New Macro listed as below: appletmenu {open_menu(script_menu(1))} Do not profess to understand the meaing of the command. Does the above give any further clue to the query? Regards Keith Pascall -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ klp@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 1 23:54:51 2000 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA114612 for opro ; Sat, 01 Jan 100 23:54:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 946770221:20:12763:17; Sat, 01 Jan 2000 23:43:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105389; 1 Jan 2000 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03089 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:27:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03084 for ; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:27:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 124XuH-000IHc-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:25:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 01 Jan 100 22:26:32 GMT Message-Id: <114601@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button Bar Height X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >After loading my normal Macros file from 2.52 into 2.56, bar height is OK. >If an existing Macro is added to bar, height is OK. >If a 'NEW' Macro is added to list and to the bar, height jumps to 6 lines if >program is reloaded. Obviously having a lot more detail helps, but if I follow these steps I don't see the problem. One comment is that it matters a lot where the new button appears. Buttons are stored in the macros window in the order they appear on the button bar. So a new button always is at the end, any existing button that you enable won't be. The problem may be a button in front of the one you create. Please could you private email me your Macros file, since that contains everything to do with macros. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message