From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:26:50 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108655 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:26:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941564042:20:29340:80; Tue, 02 Nov 99 17:34:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119555; 2 Nov 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09641 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:02:49 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09636 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:02:46 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17530 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:02:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199911021702.SAA17530@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 02 Nov 1999 09:22:51 GMT Subject: Re: Printing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I didn't try to >print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. > >Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I get Bad >page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt upgraded >properly, but I can't work out what. Have tried the archived questions but not >found anything in this years archives. > Try checking if the range of pages to be printed is duff. Maybe the Templates or Messages file is not correct... Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:27:27 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108656 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:27:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941526753:10:22322:21; Tue, 02 Nov 99 07:12:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022318; 2 Nov 99 7:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08109 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:52:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA08104 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:52:09 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.98) [62.188.136.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11iXnL-0002eg-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:51:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:50:38 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I didn't try to print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I get Bad page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt upgraded properly, but I can't work out what. Have tried the archived questions but not found anything in this years archives. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:29:21 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108664 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:29:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941538028:20:23863:62; Tue, 02 Nov 99 10:20:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024394; 2 Nov 99 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08495 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:59:18 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08490 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:59:16 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iaiQ-0000IS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:58:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr Charles Ebrill wrote: > I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I > didn't try to print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. > Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP > I get Bad page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably > something hasnt upgraded properly, but I can't work out what. Have > tried the archived questions but not found anything in this years > archives. I believe this is usually due to the templates file not being upgraded correctly. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:32:02 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108670 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:32:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941547820:10:08688:40; Tue, 02 Nov 99 13:03:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112466; 2 Nov 99 13:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08824 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:25:36 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08819 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:25:33 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id NAA01551 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:25:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11iajI-000JKWC; Tue, 2 Nov 99 10:59 MET Message-ID: <381EA75C.6EC7@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:57:00 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Provider problems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, all, I am a bit confused: After the long weekend I found just three messages concerning Ovation Pro - written on Saturday(Colin Woolf), Sunday(Mr. S A O Yandell), today(Dr. Charles Ebrill). Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has something gone missing between the UK and Cologne? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:32:09 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108672 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:32:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941552551:10:08170:72; Tue, 02 Nov 99 14:22:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008204; 2 Nov 99 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09084 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:56:43 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09079 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:56:41 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-8-15.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.15]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A09A8DAFEB for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:56:18 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <495a9b8544rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> References: <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Dr Charles Ebrill wrote: > > I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I > > didn't try to print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. > > Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP > > I get Bad page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably > > something hasnt upgraded properly, but I can't work out what. Have > > tried the archived questions but not found anything in this years > > archives. > I believe this is usually due to the templates file not being > upgraded correctly. Which is in the !OvnPro dummy that you forgot to copy over your installed one. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:32:13 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108673 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:32:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941554499:10:00999:20; Tue, 02 Nov 99 14:54:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103614; 2 Nov 99 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09162 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09157 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:25 GMT Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ienz-0001AC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:06:16 +0000 (GMT) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Provider problems? To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <381EA75C.6EC7@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 02 Nov, J. Konietzko wrote: > Hello, all, > > I am a bit confused: > After the long weekend I found just three messages concerning Ovation > Pro - written on Saturday(Colin Woolf), Sunday(Mr. S A O Yandell), > today(Dr. Charles Ebrill). > Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has something > gone missing between the UK and Cologne? Hi Jochen, I think you'll find that everyone was ay the RiscOS Show. Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 21:55:06 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108720 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 21:55:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941572235:10:09487:17; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105104; 2 Nov 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09986 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09981 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ijS1-000EMv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:18:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 99 20:07:40 GMT Message-Id: <108713@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I get Bad >page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt upgraded >properly Yes its the Messages file, the same scenario people encounter with the Templates file. Following all the steps in the !ReadMe should avoid this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 21:55:09 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108721 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 21:55:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941572235:10:09501:19; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009340; 2 Nov 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09992 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09987 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ijS0-000EMv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:18:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 99 20:07:29 GMT Message-Id: <108711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Provider problems? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has something >gone missing between the UK and Cologne? If you ever wonder about this sort of thing, the list is archived daily (or hourly) at barnet, and you can ftp the archive... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 23:03:30 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108728 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 23:03:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941576856:10:12868:17; Tue, 02 Nov 99 21:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100180; 2 Nov 99 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10378 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10373 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:33 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.210) [62.188.134.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11iksa-000298-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:26 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Provider problems? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 2 Nov 1999 (14:06:16 +0000), ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk wrote: > On Tue 02 Nov, J. Konietzko wrote: > > Hello, all, > > > > I am a bit confused: > > After the long weekend I found just three messages concerning Ovation > > Pro - written on Saturday(Colin Woolf), Sunday(Mr. S A O Yandell), > > today(Dr. Charles Ebrill). > > Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has > something > > gone missing between the UK and Cologne? > > Hi Jochen, > > I think you'll find that everyone was ay the RiscOS Show. > > Mike. > Hi Mike, Thanks, I was also getting a bit worried, I think you have answered my thoughts. Cheers Bryan -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 01:16:44 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108742 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 01:16:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941590090:10:26490:29; Wed, 03 Nov 99 00:48:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101681; 3 Nov 99 0:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:19:05 GMT Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10970 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:19:01 GMT Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b001-m006-p016.acld.clear.net.nz [203.97.54.144]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with S Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:17:14 +1300 (BST) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Urgent - Acorn Draw Files on line To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am looking for draw files to use in Ovation Pro Specifically fun Xmas and pictures of all three breeds of poodle - Toy, Miniture and Standard. Please help! Thank you. -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ Microsoft: Innovation NO! Corporate Piracy YES! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 14:31:28 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108756 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:31:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941599463:10:09977:17; Wed, 03 Nov 99 03:24:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112563; 3 Nov 99 3:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11486 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:49:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11481 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:49:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11iqUL-000BNu-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:49:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 02:41:18 GMT Message-Id: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. Improvements include; * Support for Impression type Draw file frame borders (a side effect of which is instant crop marks on any frame). * The contents of picture frames can now be tiled * Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the However the main event is that you can use the new EPS applet with it. The EPS applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. It supports EPS and DCS files. OPI will wait until I find someone who actually uses it or wants to use it. So far everyone has a friend who knew someone who once used it... This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. I am inclined to have a dig at those who have failed to read the instructions with previous upgrades - i.e. the !!ReadMe file. As far as I know all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that has gone on could have been avoided by reading this 150 word file. However to do so, would be to tempt fate... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 14:31:50 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108763 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:31:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941636580:10:06174:35; Wed, 03 Nov 99 13:43:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006059; 3 Nov 99 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12720 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:25:12 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12714 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:25:08 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 72ECA9B06 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.3.19 [Linux/i386]); Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:20:38 GMT X-Sender: M.R.Devon@bath.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:21:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. What about us poor site licence holders then? Martin Devon Stonar School -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 14:31:56 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108764 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:31:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941636742:10:08513:27; Wed, 03 Nov 99 13:45:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112870; 3 Nov 99 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12653 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:08:46 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12648 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:08:44 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11j095-0004gN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:08:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:07:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495b2d84c2C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ovation Pro 2.55 now allows the use of draw file borders. David has kindly sent me a zip file of example borders, and this is now on the alternative OP site. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/resource.html#borders -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:18:55 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108777 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941639944:20:15695:59; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:39:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102762; 3 Nov 99 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12874 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12869 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:39 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j124-0006cY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:03:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > > Improvements include; > > * Support for Impression type Draw file frame borders > (a side effect of which is instant crop marks on any frame). > * The contents of picture frames can now be tiled > * Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the > > However the main event is that you can use the new EPS applet with it. > > The EPS applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. > It supports EPS and DCS files. Twas brillig and the Slithy Toves did gyle and gimbble in the wabe! > > OPI will wait until I find someone who actually uses it or wants to use it. > So far everyone has a friend who knew someone who once used it... Perhaps they don't use OPro because it hasn't got OPI. Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money for the recent upgrades? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:08 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108781 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941624920:20:24193:54; Wed, 03 Nov 99 10:28:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104941; 3 Nov 99 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12132 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:53:52 GMT Received: from 195.8.74.207 (baglanit.claranet.co.uk [195.8.74.207]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12127 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:53:42 GMT Received: from jmills (97.105.12.13) by baglan_in.baglanit.org.uk (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:58:56 +0000 Message-ID: <003701bf25e1$2e0c71a0$0d0c6961@jmills> From: "John Mills" To: References: Subject: Re: Urgent - Acorn Draw Files on line Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:52:45 -0000 Organization: Baglan IT Centre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- [snip] > I am looking for draw files to use in Ovation Pro > > Specifically fun Xmas and pictures of all three breeds of poodle - Toy, > Miniture and Standard. > > Please help! Have you tried IMSI's MasterClips packs like 500,000+? There are masses of vector files in WMF format which are nicely translated by ImageFS2. The accompanying booklet contains all the examples as colour thumbnails. John -- John Mills. Teacher Adviser for ICT Baglan IT Centre (http://www.baglanit.org.uk) jmills@baglanit.org.uk (PC) jmills@centre.baglanit.org.uk (RPC) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:24 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108785 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941630565:20:01616:139; Wed, 03 Nov 99 12:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2108430; 3 Nov 99 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12392 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:44:07 GMT Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net (mail05.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12387 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:44:04 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 220961314 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:43:15 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:29:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b249882richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Firstly, a *very* big thank you to David for all the hard work. The last two upgrades are (for me) very significant and extremely welcome. Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. Example: Create a new page and put a blank frame in it Create a simple Artworks file (a couple of ellipses will do) Drop said file into OP frame OLE it out, and from Artworks F3 to save it back into OP without closing the OLE window. Now save (F3) it a few more times Doing this causes a type 5 within about 5 or 6 repeated saves. If I do this but close the OLE window and reOLE the file each time I want to change the image all is well - although this is not really /that/ convenient. Using SA RPC running ROS4.02. Have tried from a clean install in the root of an ADFS disc after a full reset and shift break with the same result. It does not do this on the other RPC (610) running ROS3.50, so it appears to be an OP vs ROS4 problem. All the best, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:41 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108790 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941646402:20:18152:60; Wed, 03 Nov 99 16:26:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018702; 3 Nov 99 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13250 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:52:17 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13245 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:52:15 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04336 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:51:39 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:51:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > Just tried to download this (somewhat belatedly, having omitted to do it when David first announced it) but it seems not to be there any more. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108791 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941646907:20:25701:19; Wed, 03 Nov 99 16:35:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129568; 3 Nov 99 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13282 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:03:06 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13277 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:03:05 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08462 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:02:13 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:01:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > Sorry, please ignore my last message. It is still there; I blame it on the clock change! Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 21:16:32 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108827 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 21:16:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941657406:10:15758:20; Wed, 03 Nov 99 19:30:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015567; 3 Nov 99 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13764 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:58:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13759 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:58:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j5bH-0007tJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:57:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:42:16 GMT Message-Id: <108803@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will >> not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. >What about us poor site licence holders then? Well you're all wise enough to not want to deploy developmental software in an environment with naive users. The 2.52 Beebug network version is dead. All thats going to be on offer is an upgrade to the 2.53 style network version. Whether you have to wait until the time of some future paid upgrade or if I offer it sooner is open to debate. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 21:16:35 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108828 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 21:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941659954:10:22545:26; Wed, 03 Nov 99 20:12:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022507; 3 Nov 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13997 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:57:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13988 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:57:14 GMT Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j6WL-000926-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:56:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: John Bodiam Subject: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I agree with Alan Muscat - is it not about time we were given the opportunity to pay for the work that David has been doing of late? John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 21:16:37 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108829 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 21:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941659868:20:18455:23; Wed, 03 Nov 99 20:11:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123144; 3 Nov 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13966 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13961 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:39 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j6Uo-000D1i-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:39:39 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <5e76515b49.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta2 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip Smooth upgrade (-: >Improvements include; [snip] >* Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the but not when using "Check as you type" - I simply mention that for the benefit of anyone who uses that and doesn't then run a spellcheck through the finished work. >This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and >both these are included in the archive. so for those who don't use ArtWorks and haven't got ImageExtend 0.78 - remember to double-click on the applet to switch it off. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:29:37 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108845 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:29:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941667492:10:15119:50; Wed, 03 Nov 99 22:18:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014988; 3 Nov 99 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14526 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:59:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14521 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:59:54 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.181) [62.188.143.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11j8R2-00045V-00; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:59:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:48:45 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 3 Nov 1999 (11:29:36 +0000), richard@graphitedesign.co.uk wrote: >Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing >graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a >type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. > Just tried it... doesn't do it at all on mine. Resaved about fifteen times, no problem. -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:29:45 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108849 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:29:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941667467:20:03147:44; Wed, 03 Nov 99 22:17:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003162; 3 Nov 99 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14560 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:48 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14555 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:46 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.5]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3963 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <382120D1.2450@net.ntl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:59:45 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? > Tend to agree, despite my parsimonious nature. Since getting RiscOs 4, I upgraded !Writer to EasiWriter Pro, to Pro+, then v7 - all paid upgrades, and I've not yet used it to the extent I've relied on OvPro. So it's probably about time DP was properly recompensed for all his sterling efforts. Now, bulleted/numbered lists, integral contents/indexes/tables would really be worth paying for... -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:30:06 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108855 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:30:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941676841:10:26257:68; Thu, 04 Nov 99 00:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027099; 4 Nov 99 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15108 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA15103 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:18 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.153) [193.149.71.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jAuH-0007DQ-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:37:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:01:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Draw file borders Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This=A0has always been an annoying/limiting feature of Ovation Pro. Ovation= had masses of borders and in differing colours (sprites were used to desig= n them I think).MULTICOLOURED BORDERS IN Ovation P= roThe new drawfile borders can be multicoloured!= Design or edit an existing Drawfile type border with your choice o= f colours, save it into the borders directory with a suitable new name. Wh= en you apply it (in Ovation Pro) set the colour to transparent. Yo= ur border will now appear in it's original colours.-- Richa= rd __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________= _________|__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ /|__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /= ....Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions___________________________= / rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:30:21 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108857 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:30:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941675591:20:06444:24; Thu, 04 Nov 99 00:33:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101777; 4 Nov 99 0:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14940 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:00:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA14933 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:00:40 GMT Received: from (62.188.138.120) [62.188.138.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jAJs-0006e5-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:55:11 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <495b635d0drkpartridge@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.8 Subject: Re: Numbering Feature In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Tue 21 Sep, Ian J Melville wrote: > > Does any one know of a simple way to automatically number tickets > > and butts, please? > > > > I am planning to do 10 tickets to a page times 15 but I want them > > individually numbered twice over with the same number. > > > I usually create a CSV file with the numbers, e.g. from a simple > BASIC program, then merge it. This method has the advantage that > you can cope with complicated seating plans. > I think for your purposes you would just need each number twice on > a line, comma separated. Even easier..... Make your ticket with a blank master frame just tall enough for one line in your chosen ticket number font and link this frame to itself with the autolink tool. Set the bodytext style to suit the ticket numbers. You should now have a blank ticket with the right style set. Set up thumbnails printing as necessary. Save the document. If you now prepare an ordinary text file with each number on a separate line (a spreadsheet may speed this up), then when you drag it into the master frame (you don't have to edit the master page for this) the document will multiply up as required, and printing via thumbnails will put as many as you have set on a sheet. No need for mail merging! (Don't save the document with the ticket numbers in place: unless your theatre's very small it'll take so long you think the computer's broken) If the above doesn't make sense I'd be happy to send you a sample. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 14:25:11 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108892 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 14:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941710563:10:22667:93; Thu, 04 Nov 99 10:16:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115309; 4 Nov 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16003 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:55:32 GMT Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net (mail02.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.68]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15998 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:55:29 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 021938 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:02:57 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:51:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b99f18arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Wed 3 Nov 1999 (11:29:36 +0000), richard@graphitedesign.co.uk wrote: > >Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing > >graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a > >type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. > > > > Just tried it... doesn't do it at all on mine. Resaved about fifteen > times, no problem. Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, should read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've used." I imagine its some kind of memory (dynamic area?) problem but that is a complete guess! Cheers, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 14:25:13 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108893 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 14:25:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941711007:10:29674:45; Thu, 04 Nov 99 10:23:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124788; 4 Nov 99 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16047 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:02:12 GMT Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net (mail02.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.68]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16042 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:02:10 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 121938 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:02:59 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b9a6f1arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? I agree, now it can't be bad to be in a situation where your customers 'complain' because they can't pay you! If anything this is also driven, to some degree, by the thought of OP not being developed, at some point in the not so distant future, because it is not financially viable. Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 17:34:13 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108898 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 17:34:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941729737:10:02493:53; Thu, 04 Nov 99 15:35:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002865; 4 Nov 99 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16898 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:40:35 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16893 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:40:31 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p19-max2.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.83]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id DAA32654 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:39:39 +1300 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:39:49 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB16898 Status: R On Thu 04 Nov, John Bodiam wrote: >=20 > I agree with Alan Muscat - is it not about time we were given the > opportunity to pay for the work that David has been doing of late? >=20 > John Bodiam Yep.. add my "Me Too" to that....... and David.... VISA option please... so hard to get =A3 here..... or maybe you can take NZ$ to your bank.... sure I can stuff 100 or so in an envelope.. ;-) --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:01:58 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108926 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:01:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941720980:10:27738:17; Thu, 04 Nov 99 13:09:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027676; 4 Nov 99 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16360 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:06:41 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16355 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:06:39 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id D8CAB9B11 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:05:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.3.19 [Linux/i386]); Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:59:06 GMT X-Sender: M.R.Devon@bath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:00:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495b9a6f1arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Nov, Richard Cassidy wrote: > In article , > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > > for the recent upgrades? > > I agree, now it can't be bad to be in a situation where your customers > 'complain' because they can't pay you! I've just paid 100 pounds plus for a (site licensed) significant upgrade for Easiwriter and I am perfectly willing to do the same for Ovation Pro. Martin Devon Stonar School. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:29:04 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108937 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941735554:20:08062:79; Thu, 04 Nov 99 17:12:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008726; 4 Nov 99 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17229 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:38 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17224 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:34 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p113.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.113]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08873 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:33:43 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3821B512.86FDEE17@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:32:18 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders References: <495b2d84c2C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Chris Johnson wrote: > > Ovation Pro 2.55 now allows the use of draw file borders. David has > kindly sent me a zip file of example borders, and this is now on the > alternative OP site. Just to let you all know that if you have RISC OS 4, there seems to be a 22 character limit on the length of border filenames. Is this intentional? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:58:18 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108946 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:58:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941741008:20:23477:17; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:43:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023310; 4 Nov 99 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17701 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:12:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17696 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:12:04 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jRLn-0005sg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:11:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:18:59 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. [snip] Many thanks. Upgrading was quick and painless since I deliberately kept 2.52 in an archive. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:54:39 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108954 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:54:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941742945:20:17404:20; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127534; 4 Nov 99 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17918 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17912 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jS6O-0009o9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:59:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:37:44 GMT Message-Id: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, should >read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've used." Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't be thinking of charging for an upgrade. It will matter one day that a new version sells, obviously otherwise I won't invest time and money in the project forever. All the more reason to get things right first. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:54:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108955 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:54:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941743728:20:27512:17; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:28:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027469; 4 Nov 99 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17913 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17906 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jS6M-0009o9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:59:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:31:15 GMT Message-Id: <108940@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Just to let you all know that if you have RISC OS 4, there seems >to be a 22 character limit on the length of border filenames. >Is this intentional? yes, the actual limit (shudder shudder) is 16 chars. When I looked at OPro with respect to long file names, about a year ago, it was obvious that there are some limits imposed by the OPro file format allocating fixed amounts of memory. The ones which struck me where things like colour chart names. I suspect that if you go beyond 15 chars some damage will be done. Thank you very much, I will add code to prevent this calamity... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:56:06 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108960 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:56:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941745270:20:14910:18; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:54:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119280; 4 Nov 99 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18146 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:39:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18140 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:58 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jSi0-0009ok-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:22:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495bd3ba57tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, > >should read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've > >used." > Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its > probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of > OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't > crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. > Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE > protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few > apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. I had the same problem after changing to OS4 - I hadn't upgraded the !tran filters. As the document had been created previously it loaded fine, however on trying to ole a jpeg it crashed on reloading, upgraded the loaders and everything seems to be ok now. I would also like to add my thanks to David for the work he has put in. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:11 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108966 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941746114:20:24260:35; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:08:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126572; 4 Nov 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18134 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:57 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jShy-0009ok-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:14:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495bd30235tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, > >should read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've > >used." > Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its > probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of > OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't > crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. > Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE > protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few > apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. I had a similar problem but it was caused by me not upgrading the loaders. As the document already existed there wasn't a problem however on trying to ole a file it crashed on saving, upgraded the loaders and everything was ok. It was a jpeg by the way hence it was uning the loaders. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:12 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108967 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941747795:10:12150:23; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012037; 4 Nov 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18538 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:21:45 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18533 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:21:42 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p26.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.26]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20661 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:20:49 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3821EA49.D377F81D@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:19:21 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders References: <495b2d84c2C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R About Draw File Borders: This is a feature long waited for, and many thanks to David for (finally) putting it in. It seems to work pretty nicely. The colour control is a nice feature. Two questions: 1) Is it possible to have different borders for different sides of the frame? This is possible in Impression, and allows some very flexible effects, like fancy drop frames etc. 2) Is there a limit on the number of files in the Borders directory (assuming RISC OS 4 which allows more than 77 files)? What overheads are involved in having a large number of files in the Borders directory? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:15 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108968 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941747004:20:04765:19; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:23:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104234; 4 Nov 99 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18360 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:55:12 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18354 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:55:10 GMT Received: (qmail 8735 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1999 19:54:20 -0000 Received: from userl436.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.74.249) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 1999 19:54:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave at Ukg To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b95725adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Wed 3 Nov 1999 (11:29:36 +0000), richard@graphitedesign.co.uk wrote: > >Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing > >graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a > >type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. > > > > Just tried it... doesn't do it at all on mine. Resaved about fifteen > times, no problem. First... Thanks to David for the upgrade incorporating the Drawfiles as borders. I've also tried to reproduce the OLE error, as OLEing graphics in OVPro is something I need to do quite often. I cannot reproduce the problem on my machine, though I've tried.... SARPC RO-2.04 Thank David Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:16 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108969 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941748234:10:17168:21; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:43:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101178; 4 Nov 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18514 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:15:50 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18509 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:15:47 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p26.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.26]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06416 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:14:50 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3821E8E1.E5F1E710@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:13:21 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new > copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't > be thinking of charging for an upgrade. Take a look at EasiWriter/TechWriter. They are definitely looking at new sales with its new features added all the time, but they are also making quite a bit from upgrades, and I gather that the upgrade rate is pretty good. So I wouldn't ignore the income to be made from upgrades. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:14:48 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108978 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:14:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941750906:10:19381:20; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019230; 4 Nov 99 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18757 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:11:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18752 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:11:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.51) [193.149.73.51] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jU9o-0002cL-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:10:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:16:22 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495BD8A8F7%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA18753 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB18757 In message rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > This=A0has always been an annoying/limiting feature of Ovation Pro. But not nearly as annoying as receiving the same msg twice! Pls turn 'email as attachments' OFF. --=20 I *am* in shape; round's a shape, isn't it? __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:20:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jUHn-000L0T-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:19:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:07:41 GMT Message-Id: <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > 1) Is it possible to have different borders for different > sides of the frame? This is possible in Impression, > and allows some very flexible effects, like fancy > drop frames etc. No. Curses... I didn't know about Impression allowing different sides, how does that work? Got any examples? > 2) Is there a limit on the number of files in the Borders > directory (assuming RISC OS 4 which allows more than > 77 files)? No. >What overheads are involved in having a large number of files in the Borders directory? On program start they are all loaded into memory. I've a few points of my own. It seems that the Ovation 1 loader just picks the first border when converting files. I happen to have some old documents, and got caught out with the border style suddenly changing. So beware. I may fix this. As above I don't know if CC ever spec'd how these files work. The way I've done it, it should be possible to use text, sprite, or jpeg objects in the border. The collection of borders I gave to Chris Johnson came off Arcade BBS. If anyone knows who the originator is, it would be good to credit them. Two of them were by 'hazzy', young Mr. Haslam I think. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:15:04 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108982 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:15:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941753602:20:19648:25; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:13:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104744; 4 Nov 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19136 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:06 GMT Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jUrf-000FZk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:56:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:46:01 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > Thanks very much for the new upgrade. There is a problem for users of Russell Thompson's !Expand applet - it completely stiffed my computer on trying to load OPro 2.55 with it present! I don't know if Russell is still 'active' in the applet writing/revising field but I hope he might sort out this rather useful one. (ROS 4.00, if it's relevant) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:53:27 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108984 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:53:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941754551:20:01086:36; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:29:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2001136; 4 Nov 99 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19186 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:01:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19181 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:01:03 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.181) [62.188.144.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jUvT-0003qa-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:00:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495bdcc861tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R DP has kindly offered help and advice (as ever) when I encountered an 'ETEMP' error when trying to load v2.55. The upgrade appeared to be as straightforward as it usually is, but the above error caused the load to fail. I was advised to check the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory for the messages and templates files. They were present, but when I checked them against the ones in the upgrade version (out of the zip file), it was clear that these two files had not upgraded. The problem was that I had 'newer' set in the filer copy options (as well as 'force'). I took this off and was able to upgrade the two files. All is now well. Thanks again, David. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:53:33 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108985 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:53:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941755316:10:06820:33; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:41:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115954; 4 Nov 99 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19318 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:47 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19313 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:45 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.63.136]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991104222540.CEDM16985.mta1-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:06:26 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > I am inclined to have a dig at those who have failed to read the instructions > with previous upgrades - i.e. the !!ReadMe file. As far as I know all the > wailing and gnashing of teeth that has gone on could have been avoided by > reading this 150 word file. > > However to do so, would be to tempt fate... > > > > > David Pilling > I have successfully upgraded to 2.55 following the !!ReadMe. Should the ReadMe have one more operation to be performed namely, doubleclick on !Words and !OvnResDir? Until this had been done the program would not run, but I remembered the instructions from previous upgrades. Perhaps the upgrade I performed was not quite standard in that I set up a new directory OPro255 for the new version. Hope everyone upgrades as smoothly as everything went for me. Best wishes Bernard > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:53:35 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108986 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:53:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941755338:10:06569:32; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:42:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006949; 4 Nov 99 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:07 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19292 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:05 GMT Received: (qmail 7249 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1999 22:23:25 -0000 Received: from userp045.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.91.44) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 1999 22:23:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave at Ukg To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:22:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495be429dedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > As above I don't know if CC ever spec'd how these files work. The way > I've done it, it should be possible to use text, sprite, or jpeg objects > in the border. Yes David I've tried that with a Sprite and it worked okay. Obviously the Sprite has to be put into a DrawFile before it can be used though. Unless I've missed something. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 23:13:03 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108996 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941756160:20:17407:18; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:56:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017239; 4 Nov 99 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19337 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:58 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19331 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:56 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.63.136]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991104222543.CEDW16985.mta1-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:16:30 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? > > And so say I. Many thanks for your continued development of this program, but you can't continue without reward. Best wishes Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 4 23:13:06 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108997 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:13:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941757107:20:27269:5; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:11:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105934; 4 Nov 99 23:11 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jW2i-0006lO-0C for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:11:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495be677f1john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > 1) Is it possible to have different borders for different sides of > > the frame? This is possible in Impression, and allows some very > > flexible effects, like fancy drop frames etc. > No. Curses... I didn't know about Impression allowing different sides, > how does that work? Got any examples? Each side can have any of the available borders. A standard ploy is to use a thin line for top and left with thick lines for right and bottom to give a shadow effect. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using British designed hardware, OS & software RISC OS computers from Acorn, RiscStation & etc From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:09 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109000 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941762143:10:18612:46; Fri, 05 Nov 99 00:35:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018579; 5 Nov 99 0:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20086 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:07:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20081 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:07:31 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jWtq-0001az-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:06:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:55:30 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <91b8ec5b49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: [snip] > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an > upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the > improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It > would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with > EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. [snip] If there is to be a chargeable upgrade with major new features, would it be a reasonable idea to make it with new floppies (Maybe a CD) even if that involved an increased fee? At the moment I have my original 2.45 set, two more discs to make 2.46 then a requirement to upgrade to 2.52, backups for the upgrades and so on. It would be nice to have a clean start. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:10 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109001 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941758467:20:10991:24; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:34:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010669; 4 Nov 99 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19701 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19695 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jW59-0002GY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:59:12 GMT Message-Id: <108991@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Should the ReadMe have one more operation to be performed namely, >doubleclick on !Words and !OvnResDir? I'm not so sure about that... Way back you did have to double click !OvnResDir, however that should now be done automatically. Certainly resetting !Words is a good idea, but unless the old copy is going to vanish for some reason (like its on a floppy) things should still work. Personally I have a !Words outside any application, if you have things set up that way, then there's nothing to gain by double clicking !Words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:14 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109003 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941759080:20:17340:28; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:44:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017249; 4 Nov 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19697 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19690 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jW5B-0002GY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:02:32 GMT Message-Id: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >'ETEMP' error when trying to load v2.55. >above error caused the load to fail. I was advised to check the >!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory for the messages and templates files. They >were present, but when I checked them against the ones in the upgrade >version (out of the zip file), it was clear that these two files had not >upgraded. The problem was that I had 'newer' set in the filer copy options >(as well as 'force'). I took this off and was able to upgrade the two >files. So the Messages and Templates files in a copy of 2.52 were newer than the ones in 2.55? The other worry is that getting ETEMP rather than the translated text means the messages file is either corrupt or massively out of date. I really should mention the newer flag in the !!ReadMe... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:17 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109002 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941763048:10:27163:17; Fri, 05 Nov 99 00:50:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122957; 5 Nov 99 0:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20206 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20201 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.5) [193.149.71.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jXIG-0007Ex-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:31:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:08:55 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA20202 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB20206 Status: R On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (03:39:49 +1300), renet@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Yep.. add my "Me Too" to that....... and David.... VISA option > please... so hard to get =A3 here I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= on line IUSWIM). =20 There is also something related that is really bugging me at the moment, = trying to buy stuff from people overseas. There seems to be no way of se= nding relatively small amounts of money to people in other countries unle= ss they can accept a credit card number - that is unless you are prepared= to pay a ridiculous amount for a bank International Money Transfer. =20 --=20 Richard __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:25 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109005 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941763738:10:03152:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:02:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002805; 5 Nov 99 1:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20199 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20194 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.5) [193.149.71.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jXID-0007Ex-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:31:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:58:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Draw file borders Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA20195 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB20199 On Thu 4 Nov 1999 (20:16:22 +0000), mik@xemik.com wrote: > In message > rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > > This=A0has always been an annoying/limiting feature of Ovation Pro. > But not nearly as annoying as receiving the same message twice. At least there was no large attachment:-) However I don't think the problem is at my end. I only got one posting o= f my email. =20 By the way where do I find 'email as attachments off'? Sounds a bit PC t= o me and I always strive to be non PC:-) --=20 Richard __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:28 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109006 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941765738:10:21159:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:35:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116049; 5 Nov 99 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20566 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:11:15 GMT Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net (mail05.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA20558 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:11:12 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 021844037 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:10:16 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 01:08:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495bf367cbrichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its > probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of > OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't > crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. > Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE > protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few > apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. Well, its fine with !Draw. So I've just installed the ROS4 !Boot structure from scratch as well as AW 1.7 and OP but to no avail. OP 2.52 works like a dream, OP 2.54/5 gives me a type 5 every time with Artworks. This is using literally the most simple of senarios, a new blank A4 page with a single non referenced AW picture containing 3 objects. OLE this and then F3 it 2-3 times and OP dies every time without fail for me. New news! If the AW file *is referenced* then it works fine?!? Now that's a step in the right direction! Note: proxy on its own still crashes, ref and proxy is fine. > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > > for the recent upgrades? > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be > an upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of > the improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many > users. It would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell > an upgrade with EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. Good news. Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109019 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941772216:10:15603:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:23:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015087; 5 Nov 99 3:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21154 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21147 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZi0-000HPm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:06:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:46:10 GMT Message-Id: <109009@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If there is to be a chargeable upgrade with major new features, would it >be a reasonable idea to make it with new floppies (Maybe a CD) even if >that involved an increased fee? Well the long declared aim *is* a CD. I would imagine with everything on. Including the OPro documents for a revised version of the manual. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109020 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941772236:10:15619:35; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:23:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101820; 5 Nov 99 3:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21163 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21153 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZi2-000HPm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:06:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:46:24 GMT Message-Id: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= >on line IUSWIM). Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109021 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941773033:10:21595:52; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:37:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021612; 5 Nov 99 3:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21230 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:09:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21224 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:09:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZja-000HbB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:08:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:06:12 GMT Message-Id: <109017@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Each side can have any of the available borders. OK, I understand now. I was thinking along different lines. To do that would not be hard, but it would mean a completely new dialogue box, and changing the file format - 4 border names instead of 1. And it would end up looking just like Impression. I can see the theoretical benefits, but drop shadows aside do you do this much in Impression? Can anyone think of a way of doing borders which is better than Impression? >It seems that the Ovation 1 loader just >picks the first border when converting files. I happen to have some old >documents, and got caught out with the border style suddenly changing. >So beware. I may fix this. I've put a new Ovation1 loader on the applets pages... http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/ovn1.zip David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:51 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109023 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941773129:20:13012:21; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:38:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128636; 5 Nov 99 3:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21166 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21159 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZi3-000HPm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:06:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:56:12 GMT Message-Id: <109013@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >New news! If the AW file *is referenced* then it works fine?!? Now that's >a step in the right direction! Note: proxy on its own still crashes, ref >and proxy is fine. are we heading for the conclusion that the trouble is an image with a proxy? i.e. does it do it on embedded images with no proxy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:56:48 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <79471e5c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a credit card. Any other means is such a hassle that I normally refrain from a purchase. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109028 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941798084:10:03187:398; Fri, 05 Nov 99 10:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018127; 5 Nov 99 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22116 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:31 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22111 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:29 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06844 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:09:32 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25684 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:09:24 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Draw file borders Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:08:41 -0000 Message-ID: <000501bf276d$5a9b50f0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <109017@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > >Each side can have any of the available borders. > > OK, I understand now. I was thinking along different lines. > > To do that would not be hard, but it would mean a completely new dialogue > box, and changing the file format - 4 border names instead of 1. > And it would end up looking just like Impression. I can see the > theoretical benefits, but drop shadows aside do you do this much > in Impression? There are some uses I recall from my dim and distant Impression past. e.g. CC used to supply a "borders disc" with loads of borders. Quite a few were for single corner features to make notepaper (e.g. little art deco squiggles which only appear on the bottom right of a letter). Others were for highlighting effects. I remember one, for example, which was a 2pt (ish) horizontal line with big stylised opening quotes top left (used as a top border), with a matching bottom border with closing quotes bottom right. Cue ASCII art: ---"------------------- frame here -------------------"--- I guess it'd be another string to your bow when trying to armtwist those still resisting a crossgrade to OP. > Can anyone think of a way of doing borders which is better than > Impression? Whilst keeping the drawfile-based approach, rather than a separate dialogue, perhaps you could you make it a set of small picture frames around the frame. Make a keypress or button macro to call a function to show them (show borders, like show invisibles). Then you just drag in the border from a file window, and ctrl-drag (that's the right one for making internal links to pictures, isn't it?) to fill the other sides. You can then use the rest of the picture menu options to play with colours, referencing etc if you wanted, and add a new picture submenu to do the existing borders dialogue stuff if the border frame is left empty. It'd be important to have some kind of "border manager" where you can preview them though, but perhaps this should be best exposed as an applet - Hey,a generic drawfile *previewer* without having to load draw - there's an idea... perhaps this could work like the clipboard page? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109029 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941801008:10:26796:118; Fri, 05 Nov 99 11:23:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111696; 5 Nov 99 11:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22533 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:40:24 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22528 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:40:22 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14110 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:39:15 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA11415 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:40:35 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256820.00392ACF.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:39:36 +0000 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip Is this file naming convention a deliberate ploy to try and confuse us all :-) The last upgrade was called 252.zip as well. Could you perhaps include the destination version number in the name (e.g. 252to255.zip) I know I can rename it myself, it's just the minor panic when I automatically press all the download buttons and then I get a warning about overwriting an already existing 252.zip Keep up the good work David and thank you Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109030 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941801447:10:00522:156; Fri, 05 Nov 99 11:30:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116746; 5 Nov 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22569 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:45:18 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22564 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:45:13 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1903.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.133]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19340 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:44:11 +0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:30:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? I would. I'm lazy, and parking at the post office is difficult and . . . Though most credit card companies take 2 - 3%. Seriously, a lot of us want to do our bit for you and Riscos. Cheers. -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109033 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941810056:10:02646:213; Fri, 05 Nov 99 13:54:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024648; 5 Nov 99 13:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23382 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:50 GMT Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23377 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:48 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1292.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.12]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28165; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:57:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:58:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Off topic To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Ren H Turner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Saying your OS is better because more people use it is like saying McDonald's makes the best food in the world". "Imagine a boot, stamping on a human face, forever." George Orwell, "1984", Anticipating the rise of Microsoft. Met vriendelijke groetens, Andre van den Berg ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109035 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941812007:10:21559:29; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:26:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104367; 5 Nov 99 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23658 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:42:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23652 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:42:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.36) [62.188.144.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jjcG-0001fO-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:41:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >'ETEMP' error when trying to load v2.55. above error caused the load > >to fail. I was advised to check the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory > >for the messages and templates files. They were present, but when I > >checked them against the ones in the upgrade version (out of the zip > >file), it was clear that these two files had not upgraded. The problem > >was that I had 'newer' set in the filer copy options (as well as > >'force'). I took this off and was able to upgrade the two files. > So the Messages and Templates files in a copy of 2.52 were newer than > the ones in 2.55? > The other worry is that getting ETEMP rather than the translated text > means the messages file is either corrupt or massively out of date. > I really should mention the newer flag in the !!ReadMe... When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the Templates file 30 Oct 1999. If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. AFAICT, everything else is fine. So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and templates files. Cheers, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109036 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941812030:10:22036:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:27:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020392; 5 Nov 99 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23809 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:56:00 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23804 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:55:59 GMT Received: from modem-42.name41.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.180.42] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jjpS-0000R3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:54:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 13:47:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <495c38da7cBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: [Snip] > > > I've heard mutterings about VISA taking huge cuts like this, but you > hardly ever see surcharges for VISA payments or discounts for cash. > Wonder why? The surcharge is built in, you get the cash discount only if you ask for it. 1. Go to retail outlet, ask price of goods. 2. Ask for cash discount. 3. If no discount offered produce credit card. 4. Go to 2. 2.55 upgraded ok here, although I nearly upgraded my stable 2.52 because I missed on the first reading the instructions the bit about making a copy of the copy. -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From kh@waikato.ac.nz Fri Nov 5 14:54:49 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109039 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:54:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941781424:20:08246:10; Fri, 05 Nov 99 05:57:04 GMT Received: from mail.wave.co.nz ([203.96.216.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008264; 5 Nov 99 5:57 GMT Received: from albion (p118.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.118]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30368 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:56:54 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: David Pilling Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:51:50 +1300 Subject: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <495c0d5817kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Even 10% would be acceptable from this distance!! Many thanks for you good works. KEith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:08 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109043 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941794119:20:07055:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 09:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007020; 5 Nov 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22044 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:00:38 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22039 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:00:36 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15562 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:59:39 GMT Message-ID: <38229C29.73F43503@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:58:17 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry If I have missed something, but is OP 2.52 is going to be the new upgrade from version (replacing 2.46)? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:20 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109045 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941797885:20:08045:80; Fri, 05 Nov 99 10:31:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007220; 5 Nov 99 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22299 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:10:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22294 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:10:56 GMT Received: from (62.188.146.219) [62.188.146.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jgJh-0005Ua-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:09:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:45:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495ba46053jodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. My copy is 2.54, and I don't have 2.52. How should I proceed, please? Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:27 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109047 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941800829:20:21686:44; Fri, 05 Nov 99 11:20:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022098; 5 Nov 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22674 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:04:02 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22669 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:04:00 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA17967 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:03:00 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:02:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > I've heard mutterings about VISA taking huge cuts like this, but you hardly ever see surcharges for VISA payments or discounts for cash. Wonder why? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:32 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109049 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941805143:20:26307:41; Fri, 05 Nov 99 12:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109966; 5 Nov 99 12:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22953 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:00:21 GMT Received: from mail.enterprise.net (mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22948 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:00:17 GMT Received: from lewtas.enterprise.net (max01-077.enterprise.net [194.72.195.77]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19207 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:59:15 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:58:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Maureen Lewtas Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just done the 2.52 to 2.55 upgrade. When I try to run OPro it dies with the message: "Template piximport not found" I used my backup copy of 2.52 which is held on my hard disc. Should I have used my original floppy discs. Maureen Lewtas -- Maureen C Lewtas e-mail: maureen@lewtas.enterprise-plc.com Secretary, Blackpool Computer Club -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:43 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109051 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941805468:20:01529:58; Fri, 05 Nov 99 12:37:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001880; 5 Nov 99 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23115 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:21:30 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23110 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:21:23 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p40-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.168]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA20292 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:20:19 +1300 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:21:24 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB23115 On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more r= ead=3D > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I= go=3D > >on line IUSWIM). >=20 > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Pilling Yes David.... far less expensive than the bank transfer fees for international funds. =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:45 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109052 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941806196:20:13265:22; Fri, 05 Nov 99 12:49:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123982; 5 Nov 99 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23183 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:32:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23178 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:31:59 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.224) [62.188.133.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jiWA-0000Qv-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:30:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:31:18 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re Template PixImport Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file missing, any help would be appreciated. Bryan Kirk, Bispham. -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:48 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109053 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941807706:20:06527:39; Fri, 05 Nov 99 13:15:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114226; 5 Nov 99 13:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23278 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:41:22 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23273 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:41:20 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16933 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:38:18 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust90.tnt2.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.242.90] with SMTP for id NAA01239 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:35:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <006801bf278a$8314c5d0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Creditcard facility was: Re: OP 2.55 release Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:08:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >>.... I would have ordered stuff online far more read= >>ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= >>on line IUSWIM). > Friday, November 05, David Pilling wrote: >Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > Yes, I would certainly be willing to pay that amount. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:52 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109054 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941807935:20:10421:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 13:18:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009958; 5 Nov 99 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23407 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:59:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23402 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:59:41 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.49) [62.188.137.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jiwy-0000tw-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:59:02 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re Template PixImport Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file missing, any help would be appreciated. Bryan Kirk, Bispham. David, Please disregard the above, purely my not reading your notes fully, 255 now working fully, Sorry I am one of the nitwits. Best regards, Bryan. -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:46:50 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109057 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:46:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941818726:20:16202:58; Fri, 05 Nov 99 16:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016278; 5 Nov 99 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24605 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:00:49 GMT Received: from mail.nottscc.gov.uk (mail.nottscc.gov.uk [194.216.120.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24600 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:00:47 GMT Received: from CAT ([194.216.121.103]) by mail.nottscc.gov.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 286 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:05:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01bf27a6$7e4b9440$0148120a@CAT.nottscc.gov.uk> From: "Alex. Cessford" To: Subject: Re: Re Template PixImport Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:57:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Mr B Kirk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 November 1999 13:57 Subject: Re Template PixImport >Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file >missing, any help would be appreciated. Hi, I had the same problem, but found out the cure myself: After running the Upgrade application out of the downloaded zip file and dropping your copy of version 2.52 onto it, and it says upgrade successful or some such, then go back to the contents of the zipfile and drag the OvPro icon that is in there on top of the proper OvPro copy that has just been successfully upgraded. That's it. You will then have a copy of version 2.55 that loads to the icon bar and opens its window normally. Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:47:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109061 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941819223:10:12091:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 16:27:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124549; 5 Nov 99 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24657 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:08:14 GMT Received: from mail.nottscc.gov.uk (mail.nottscc.gov.uk [194.216.120.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24652 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:08:12 GMT Received: from CAT ([194.216.121.103]) by mail.nottscc.gov.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 177 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:36 +0000 Message-ID: <002701bf27a7$8770c6c0$0148120a@CAT.nottscc.gov.uk> From: "Alex. Cessford" To: Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:04:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Lewtas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 November 1999 13:45 Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade >I have just done the 2.52 to 2.55 upgrade. When I try to run OPro it dies with >the message: > >"Template piximport not found" > >I used my backup copy of 2.52 which is held on my hard disc. Should I have used >my original floppy discs. Hi, I had the same problem, but found out the cure myself: After running the Upgrade application out of the downloaded zip file and dropping your copy of version 2.52 onto it, and it says upgrade successful or some such, then go back to the contents of the zipfile and drag the OvPro icon that is in there on top of the proper OvPro copy that has just been successfully upgraded. That's it. You will then have a copy of version 2.55 that loads to the icon bar and opens its window normally. Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:47:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109062 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:47:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941819977:10:21242:23; Fri, 05 Nov 99 16:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021441; 5 Nov 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24709 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:27 GMT Received: from mail.nottscc.gov.uk (mail.nottscc.gov.uk [194.216.120.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24704 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:25 GMT Received: from CAT ([194.216.121.103]) by mail.nottscc.gov.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 152 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:16:50 +0000 Message-ID: <003401bf27a8$1e4cc580$0148120a@CAT.nottscc.gov.uk> From: "Alex. Cessford" To: Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:09:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 November 1999 11:23 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released >On 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >> OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > >> http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > >> This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. >> So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of >> 2.52 for future use. > >> The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will >> not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > >My copy is 2.54, and I don't have 2.52. >How should I proceed, please? Hi, Get version 2.52 from David's website, keep a copy of it separate from the one you are going to use, (for future upgrades), and use that. Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:47:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109065 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941823334:10:02056:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:35:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115712; 5 Nov 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25008 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:04:55 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25003 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:03:53 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16149 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:02:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:48:37 GMT Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new >copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't >be thinking of charging for an upgrade. > >It will matter one day that a new version sells, obviously otherwise I won't >invest time and money in the project forever. All the more reason to get >things right first. > There is still a number of people over here clinging to Impressions because their existing work is trapped in that format. For those people the point is: "If I break my existing documents anyway, why not change right over to PC/Word and be compatible with most of my colleagues?" Guess I'll have to put my asbestos on now... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:49:16 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109069 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941812873:20:24943:39; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:41:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102635; 5 Nov 99 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23956 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:08:16 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23950 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:08:13 GMT Received: from modem-22.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.66.22] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jk1J-0003ME-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:07:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade Message-ID: <495c3a68d3Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Maureen Lewtas wrote: > I have just done the 2.52 to 2.55 upgrade. When I try to run OPro it > dies with the message: > "Template piximport not found" > I used my backup copy of 2.52 which is held on my hard disc. Should I > have used my original floppy discs. I had this until I read the instructions, particularly item 3: Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. As mentioned elsewhere, I nearly missed item 0 which would have resulted in my upgrading my stable copy of 2.52. OK this time of course, but hassle next time an upgrade is issued. HTH -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:49:18 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109070 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941813180:20:29668:22; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:46:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029531; 5 Nov 99 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24122 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:21:28 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24116 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:21:26 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jkE6-0005wN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that > work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in > the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the > Templates file 30 Oct 1999. > If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. > Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. > The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, > IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over > a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. > If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an > error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. > Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. > AFAICT, everything else is fine. > So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and > templates files. I am sure david would be quick to point out that the template and messages files within !Upgrade have nothing whatever to do with OPro, but are used by !Upgrade itself. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 19:08:53 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109098 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 19:08:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941827937:20:00164:55; Fri, 05 Nov 99 18:52:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000274; 5 Nov 99 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25395 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25389 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:04 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11joBR-0001nZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:33:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:22:50 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <91b8ec5b49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Nov, Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > [snip] > > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an > > upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the > > improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It > > would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with > > EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. > [snip] > > If there is to be a chargeable upgrade with major new features, would it > be a reasonable idea to make it with new floppies (Maybe a CD) even if > that involved an increased fee? > > At the moment I have my original 2.45 set, two more discs to make 2.46 > then a requirement to upgrade to 2.52, backups for the upgrades and so on. > It would be nice to have a clean start. > Good plan, we could stick all the resources/applets etc. on the CD as well and have a nice backup. David could even charge us a little more just to get the CDs. regards Nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! ----> Acorn Foongrep2 - supporting the "1999 CDfoon" ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 19:09:02 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109100 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 19:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941828725:20:10141:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 19:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104374; 5 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25390 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25384 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:02 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11joBT-0001nZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:33:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:19:21 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <79471e5c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Nov, F.R. Polak wrote: > In message <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > > >on line IUSWIM). > > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a > credit card. Any other means is such a hassle that I normally refrain > from a purchase. > Seconded. Best things for overseas cutomers are creditcard and website/email updates IMHO. regards Nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! ----> Acorn Foongrep2 - supporting the "1999 CDfoon" ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:07:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109103 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941832907:10:02523:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 20:15:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112369; 5 Nov 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25632 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:59:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25627 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:59:07 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jpUp-000DJz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:58:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:57:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Masked sprite lock up To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Using a sprite saved out of Photdesk and importing it into a blank document and setting Referenced and Proxy images in V2.55 caused a bit of disc activity and then almost complete lock up of machine. Alt-Break gave the "Quit OvationPro" box but there was no response and mouse actions took no effect. Restarting machine and loading sprite into Paint, removing mask and resaving allowed the Referenced and Proxy images to work properly. This action was repeatable. Sprite is 17MB using RISCOS 4 PC610 machine with 50MB RAM. Any ideas? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:07:39 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109104 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:07:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941834584:20:20207:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 20:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019895; 5 Nov 99 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25753 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:27:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25748 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:27:52 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.136) [193.149.75.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jpwd-0003KE-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:26:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:14:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495c5c4bbdcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199911050904.JAA22067@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199911050904.JAA22067@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank supply you with the facility. I have a machine here and would be willing to pass the payments on to David at no extra charge ( I think he knows me well enough to trust this statement). Call it my service to David for such a useful workhorse on my computer. All those who read the piece in Acorn Publisher may be interested to know that a test has now been carried out with OvnPro and new CMYK files - the results will be ready this coming week. I am not sure how I await the reults yet :) Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:52:47 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109118 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:52:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941838199:20:29236:17; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:43:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029215; 5 Nov 99 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25911 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25906 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:46 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.130) [62.188.136.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jqgy-0004IO-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:14:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:12:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c56aafdtomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that > > work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in > > the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the > > Templates file 30 Oct 1999. > > If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. > > Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. > > The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, > > IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over > > a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. > > If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an > > error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. > > Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. > > AFAICT, everything else is fine. > > So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and > > templates files. > I am sure david would be quick to point out that the template and > messages files within !Upgrade have nothing whatever to do with OPro, > but are used by !Upgrade itself. Ah... -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:52:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109120 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941837494:10:25057:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:31:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024570; 5 Nov 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25925 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:31 GMT Received: from mail22.svr.pol.co.uk (mail22.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.219]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25920 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:29 GMT Received: from modem-39.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.167] helo=beeston12) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jqhh-0006Z8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:15:32 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Filter for Word97 documents? Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA25921 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, Could someone tell me if a filter is available to transfer filed formatted by Word97 into OvationPro? And if so what OvationPro site is it available on? Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham, NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930  -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:52:56 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109121 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941838269:20:29800:26; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:44:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125550; 5 Nov 99 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25939 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:37 GMT Received: from mail22.svr.pol.co.uk (mail22.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.219]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25933 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:35 GMT Received: from modem-39.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.167] helo=beeston12) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jqhn-0006Z8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:13:23 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Oddity in TransIMP filter Help file Message-ID: <3bb7615c49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA25935 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I was rather puzzled recently when I had cause to read the Help files of the 5 filters supplied with OvationPro. The explanations for most of the filters seemed OK, but the file supplied with !TransIMP started off: (next 9 lines copied direct) Document: Help for TransRTF 1.83 Author: Rc Date: Mon 03rd May 1997 ============================================================================= TransRTF converts Rich Text into Ovation Pro DDL. Major omissions in conversion are as follows: No strikethrough \strike No expanded or condensed text \expnd or \cond No tables In other words, I am wondering if the wrong Filter has been supplied, or if the filter is all right but simply has a wrong Help file attached through some mistake. I had assumed !TransIMP might be to transfer Impression Style documents into OvationPro. Although pages 11 and 12 of the OvationPro release notes explicitly mention the OTHER filters, I can see no mention of this particular one. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham, NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930  -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:55:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109126 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941839529:20:12866:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:05:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012861; 5 Nov 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26102 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:38:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26097 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:38:00 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jr35-000N0I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:37:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:34 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Definitely yes. In fact, I keep my credit card because of easy ordering overseas, more precise Great Britain. On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for C-style delete. When I have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because the delete key isn't working anymore. Mind you, the 'delete link' button on the toolbar still works. There are four possible combinations, both off, both on and one of the two on. The above anomaly only occurs with the operating system's 'PC delete' is ticked. Has anyone else found the same? -- groeten, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:55:47 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109127 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:55:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941840718:20:26349:30; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:25:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115142; 5 Nov 99 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26207 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26202 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrJD-000K1K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:54:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:49:08 GMT Message-Id: <109116@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Masked sprite lock up X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Restarting machine and loading sprite into Paint, removing mask and resaving >allowed the Referenced and Proxy images to work properly. This action was >repeatable. I don't know if I'd suspect the mask, more likely the size of the image. To make the proxy the whole thing has to be in memory. Put this together with yesterdays comments on OLE + Artworks, makes it sound like there are some bugs to find in this area. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:55:52 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109128 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:55:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941841332:20:03511:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:35:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120491; 5 Nov 99 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26410 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:08:18 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26405 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:08:14 GMT Received: from renet (p53-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.181]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id LAA14967 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:07:05 +1300 Message-ID: <000901bf27da$39af3240$b5c66dcb@renet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Turner?= To: References: Subject: Re: Re Template PixImport Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:07:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I can help with this one, the new template did not move across, Open your new Copy, go to Directory UK, then open same directory in the upgrade ... drag new template file in....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr B Kirk To: Sent: Saturday, 6 November 1999 01:31 Subject: Re Template PixImport > David, > > Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file > missing, any help would be appreciated. > > Bryan Kirk, > Bispham. > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > || Sunny / > /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk > / \ Blackpool / > / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 > _/\____/\______________/ > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109130 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941839824:10:20552:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020458; 5 Nov 99 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26183 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26178 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrJ4-000K1K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:54:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:24:51 GMT Message-Id: <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by >credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank >supply you with the facility. No doubt. Its another example of how things in reality are not quite as simple as they may seem. One high street bank greeted my enquiry with the statement that they would not extend merchant services to *any* company operating in the computer software or hardware market. Typically the commision is 3-5% with some fixed costs for equipment. Some of the new 'net payment systems like 'netbanx' reach 8% Thanks for the offers of help. Obviously you can buy my products with a credit card from a RISC OS dealer. However given the interest just displayed I'll see if we can sort something out in time for the promised upgrade. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109131 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941839826:10:20535:31; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:10:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126489; 5 Nov 99 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26193 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrJ9-000K1K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:54:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:38:32 GMT Message-Id: <109114@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst keeping the drawfile-based approach, rather than a separate dialogue, >perhaps you could you make it a set of small picture frames around the >frame. When I set out to add the draw file borders last weekend, I did think that a better way was to allow borders to be defined by a number of picture files. However the advantage of the Draw file system is that it records the relative position of the corners and the sides. They can overlap in other words. Currently the Draw file contains 2 objects, the corner and the side, an easy extension would be to allow it to contain up to 4 corners and 4 sides. Which would get you the Impression versatility but not particularly easily. >Hey,a generic drawfile *previewer* without having to load draw - there's an >idea... perhaps this could work like the clipboard page? Long ago, in the original OPro spec. there was a 'scrap book' feature which was like a non-volatile clip board that could hold lots of objects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109132 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941840588:10:00201:27; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:23:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029776; 5 Nov 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26312 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:03:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26307 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:03:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrRA-0000Hz-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:02:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:57:50 GMT Message-Id: <109124@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Oddity in TransIMP filter Help file X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In other words, I am wondering if the wrong Filter has been supplied, or if >the filter is all right but simply has a wrong Help file attached through >some mistake. Yes, the latter. >I had assumed !TransIMP might be to transfer Impression Style >documents into OvationPro. Well it does, sort of. But it's really little more than a joke. It is based on the idea that a program can go through any binary file and work out the text it contains. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109134 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941841583:10:13463:51; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:39:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013390; 5 Nov 99 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26671 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:25:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26666 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:25:41 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.36) [62.188.150.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jrmc-0005pV-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:24:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:24:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c62bc92tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495c56aafdtomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> <495c56aa User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > On 05 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > > When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that > > > work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in > > > the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the > > > Templates file 30 Oct 1999. > > > If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. > > > Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. > > > The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, > > > IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over > > > a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. > > > If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an > > > error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. > > > Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. > > > AFAICT, everything else is fine. > > > So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and > > > templates files. > > I am sure david would be quick to point out that the template and > > messages files within !Upgrade have nothing whatever to do with OPro, > > but are used by !Upgrade itself. > Ah... Did a from-scratch upgrade with a new download. Problem solved. Still not sure why it didn't work the first time. Cheers, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109142 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941844658:10:20893:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 23:30:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020709; 5 Nov 99 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27098 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:03:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27093 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:03:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.163) [193.149.75.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jsMp-0006bV-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:02:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:48:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <495c5472c4charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more > > >read= ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower > > >when I go= on line IUSWIM). > > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > > > > I've heard mutterings about VISA taking huge cuts like this, but you > hardly ever see surcharges for VISA payments or discounts for cash. > Wonder why? ISTR the Office of Fair Trading stopped this practice. It was quite common when credit cards were new. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:11 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109143 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941842938:20:20751:22; Fri, 05 Nov 99 23:02:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2102624; 5 Nov 99 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26823 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:47:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26818 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:47:53 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.4) [62.188.144.4] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11js87-0006Gr-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:46:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:33:26 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495C58909A%mik@xemik.com> References: <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> In-Reply-To: <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Martin Vethake wrote: > There is still a number of people over here clinging to Impressions > because their existing work is trapped in that format. This is a major problem for me. I have quite a few docs that I still use regularly (& archive docs which I need to keep) which are in Imp' Pub' format. Now that Drawfile borders have been intro'd there is only one major headache left for me & that is tables. Almost all of the IP docs I still need are tables 'templates'. > For those people the point is: "If I break my existing documents anyway, > why not change right over to PC/Word and be compatible with most of my > colleagues?" Not all of us. ;-) I bought OPro at the Wakefield Show in May because I expected it to be developed further. > Guess I'll have to put my asbestos on now... I doubt it. Remember you /are/ on a RISC OS list. >:-> -- Prunes give you a run for your money __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:22:55 GMT Received: from renet (p53-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.181]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA20583 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:21:47 +1300 Message-ID: <009901bf27e4$a84cdea0$b5c66dcb@renet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Turner?= To: References: <199911050904.JAA22067@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <495c5c4bbdcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:22:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ah.... an interesting solution...... lotsa goodies i can buy from David now........ thank s Colin how about it David........ Smile........... ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Woolf To: Sent: Saturday, 6 November 1999 09:14 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments > On 05 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a > > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > supply you with the facility. > > I have a machine here and would be willing to pass the payments on > to David at no extra charge ( I think he knows me well enough to > trust this statement). > > Call it my service to David for such a useful workhorse on my > computer. All those who read the piece in Acorn Publisher may be > interested to know that a test has now been carried out with OvnPro > and new CMYK files - the results will be ready this coming week. I > am not sure how I await the reults yet :) > > Cheers > > -- > > Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design > _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:23 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109148 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941849861:20:00077:25; Sat, 06 Nov 99 00:57:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121986; 6 Nov 99 0:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27718 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27713 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:14 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.156) [193.149.71.156] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jtvj-0000P8-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:42:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:19:14 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (01:46:24), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Well yes I would but I can see that others wouldn't and realise that you are endeavouring to make your products as economic as possible. I still cling (somewhat tenuously) to the view that if people can order products online they are more likely to do so and this could result in greater sales. You've obviously looked into this and there is no doubt an overhead at your end if you adopt a credit card system. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109147 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941850655:10:08261:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:10:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102157; 6 Nov 99 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27725 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27720 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:17 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.156) [193.149.71.156] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jtvm-0000P8-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:42:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:45:11 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (20:14:11 +0000), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > supply you with the facility. I was going to reply in view of the can of worms I had opened up quite differently until I read the above. If the above is true how do theatres etc get away with surcharging at least 10% extra for credit card bookings (they always refer to it as a booking charge). Sheffield theatres all charge extra if you pay by credit card. I was particularly interested in the replies from overseas enthusiasts who obviously find it difficult to transfer funds without incuring a very high overhead - as I said before there seems to be no simple way to send small sums of money to another country. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 13:47:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109157 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 13:47:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941893352:10:13241:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 13:02:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117399; 6 Nov 99 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28958 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:32:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28953 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:32:07 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.92) [62.188.143.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11k4zf-0001jn-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:30:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:49:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > >Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I > get Bad > >page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt > upgraded > >properly > > Yes its the Messages file, the same scenario people encounter with > the Templates file. > > Following all the steps in the !ReadMe should avoid this. > > > David Pilling > Many thanks for all suggestions. Eventually found that I had "newer" ticked as well as "force" Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 14:26:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109162 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 14:26:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941897765:10:18147:27; Sat, 06 Nov 99 14:16:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018028; 6 Nov 99 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29147 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:48:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29142 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:48:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k6Bo-000NVG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:47:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:30:23 GMT Message-Id: <109150@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PC style delete X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for PC-style delete. When I >have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because the >delete key isn't working anymore. I guess you'll find a number of oddities with PC style delete ticked. I'd not thought of the above one, but back when ROS4 came out I noted the general problem here. Sorry I've just not done anything about it yet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 16:22:12 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109166 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941901184:20:05024:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 15:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117002; 6 Nov 99 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29490 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:57:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29485 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:57:20 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k7Gj-00099a-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:56:41 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:31:03 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, Richard Watkinson wrote: > On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (20:14:11 +0000), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > > supply you with the facility. > > I was going to reply in view of the can of worms I had opened up quite > differently until I read the above. > > If the above is true how do theatres etc get away with surcharging at least 10% > extra for credit card bookings (they always refer to it as a booking charge). > Sheffield theatres all charge extra if you pay by credit card. > > I was particularly interested in the replies from overseas enthusiasts who > obviously find it difficult to transfer funds without incuring a very high > overhead - as I said before there seems to be no simple way to send small sums > of money to another country. The simple way is sending some five pound notes in an envelope. Or a Eurocheque (but Eurocheques are on the way out). Every time you do that you hope it goes alright. The best way is the creditcard. If the company doesn't accept them, the purchase gets less attractive. Five percent extra is acceptable but not on every price. Things will change in the rest of Europe but I'm sure my bank will still ask extra money on transactions with the UK after the Euro change. They do now on all foreign transactions though there is no real value risk in the EC. If UK banks are difficult on credit card facilities you might try a foreign bank in London. Or a bank account in the Netherlands for the transactions on the continent. That is of course not a solution for the customers in NZ etc. I love the idea to have OP + extra's on a CD. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 16:22:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109167 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941905326:10:04044:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003659; 6 Nov 99 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29749 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:54:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29744 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:54:25 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k89O-000LEF-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:53:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:13:53 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <4caaae5c49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (20:14:11 +0000), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > > supply you with the facility. > > I was going to reply in view of the can of worms I had opened up quite > differently until I read the above. > > If the above is true how do theatres etc get away with surcharging at > least 10% extra for credit card bookings (they always refer to it as a > booking charge). Sheffield theatres all charge extra if you pay by > credit card. > > I was particularly interested in the replies from overseas enthusiasts > who obviously find it difficult to transfer funds without incuring a > very high overhead - as I said before there seems to be no simple way to > send small sums of money to another country. Charge for postage and packing. OvPro could be described as a heavyweight package. :-) I'm not sure I understand the problem here. This discussion is about upgrades rather than the full package, isn't it? People have been saying that they want to give David money. How much would an upgrade cost? Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? Why not just add in the credit card surcharge whether it's paid for by CC or not? Don't retailers do this, or add at least a proportion? -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 16:22:17 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109168 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941901848:20:11099:25; Sat, 06 Nov 99 15:24:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010981; 6 Nov 99 15:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29547 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:09:16 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29542 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:09:15 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11k7Re-0009lZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:07:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 15:06:58 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Masked sprite lock up Message-ID: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Using a sprite saved out of Photdesk and importing it into a blank document > and setting Referenced and Proxy images in V2.55 caused a bit of disc > activity and then almost complete lock up of machine. [snip] > Any ideas? Have you got Photodesk saving in Paint format (1-bit mask) or its own 8-bit mask format? If the latter, that could explain the problem. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 17:23:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109178 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 17:23:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941908870:10:22950:21; Sat, 06 Nov 99 17:21:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102056; 6 Nov 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29975 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:07:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29970 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:07:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k9Hg-0003wg-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:05:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:24:08 GMT Message-Id: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How much would an upgrade cost? Thats a good question... >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank 5% of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole lot of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. I can feel which way the wind is blowing. Shifting paper and discs around is pretty stupid now. It'd be much more efficient if everyone paid by credit card and downloaded the software from the 'net. Lower prices for you, and less non-creative work for me. These are transitional times, much as the way I do business will have to change, the way credit cards work is also going to change. The systems the banks are using now date from before the 'net. And they're not keen on e-commerce down at local branch level. Whats worse the software will have to change, no paper, no DTP. Now about XML... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109183 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941909503:10:29600:31; Sat, 06 Nov 99 17:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000176; 6 Nov 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30039 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:16:08 GMT Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30034 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:16:06 GMT Received: from line102.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.102] helo=mrc7.cam.ac.uk) by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11k9QQ-0004K5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:14:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:15:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >How much would an upgrade cost? > > Thats a good question... > > >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? > > Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. > > Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank > 5% of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the > account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole > lot of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. > > I can feel which way the wind is blowing. Shifting paper and discs around > is pretty stupid now. It'd be much more efficient if everyone paid by > credit card and downloaded the software from the 'net. Lower prices for > you, and less non-creative work for me. > > These are transitional times, much as the way I do business will have to > change, the way credit cards work is also going to change. The systems the > banks are using now date from before the 'net. And they're not keen on > e-commerce down at local branch level. > > Whats worse the software will have to change, no paper, no DTP. Now about > XML... > > > David Pilling > Isn't there a different possibility of using charge cards for payments? My understanding is that these operate under different regulations to credit cards. Many organisations that don't accept credit cards do seem to accept charge cards as an alternative to cheques. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // || ,_ o M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ Tel.+44 1223 333705 Fax.+44 1223 333875 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109185 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941911515:20:13738:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 18:05:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013656; 6 Nov 99 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30184 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:37:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30179 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:37:48 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k9lH-0007Pj-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:36:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:59:55 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, [snip] > > > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an > upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the > improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It > would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with > EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. > > More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new > copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't > be thinking of charging for an upgrade. > > It will matter one day that a new version sells, obviously otherwise I won't > invest time and money in the project forever. All the more reason to get > things right first. > I just wish everyone had your integrity. many thanks again. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109186 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941919279:10:16812:21; Sat, 06 Nov 99 20:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016421; 6 Nov 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30645 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:46:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30640 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:46:56 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.197) [193.149.76.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kBmL-0000fr-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:45:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Scott (Apps)) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:41:16 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Delete key operation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (21:16:34 +0100), peter@pberg.demon.nl wrote: > On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for PC-style delete. When I > have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because > the delete key isn't working anymore. Mind you, the 'delete link' > button on the toolbar still works. There are four possible combinations, > both off, both on and one of the two on. > The above anomaly only occurs with the operating system's 'PC delete' > is ticked. Has anyone else found the same? > I agree that there are some anomalies here - but have you tried the Backspace key since this has the original functionality of the Delete key? -- David Scott email: djscott@argonet.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal web site: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/djscott/ Christians in Schools: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/djscott/cist/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109187 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941915079:20:15725:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 19:04:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106106; 6 Nov 99 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30332 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:37:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30327 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:37:14 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.243) [62.188.135.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kAgv-0007Ig-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:35:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:48:10 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495CD2C338%mik@xemik.com> References: <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Obviously you can buy my products with a credit card from a RISC OS dealer. Presumably this would mean less profit for you, tho'. Not wishing to get into specifics, of course, but I wonder if the 'lost' profit on such a sale would be more or less than the commission on a cr/card sale. IIRC one or two at the Wakefield Show shared the cr/card facility. -- Tagline missing, presumed fled. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:44:11 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.3] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11kDbD-00016k-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:42:15 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:00:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:59:41 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >How much would an upgrade cost? > > Thats a good question... > > >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? > > Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. > > Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank 5% > of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the > account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole lot > of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. > I know what you mean - we've been through the same issues ourselves. But one thing strikes me as a customer: it's not just the supplier that gets ripped off by the banks. If I write you a cheque on our business account it seems to cost us an obscene amount in bank charges. If I include the cost of generating a paper-based order, posting it to you, the time involved in getting the whole thing together and walking down to the post-office - it probably exceeds the extra 5% you might put on the cost at your end. There are one or two other suppliers in the Risc Os field who cannot take credit cards and I have to say we've more or less given up with them. It's caused so much extra work and hassle for us that we've gone to rival providers. (Of course, we don't really have that option with OvationPro!) So the difficult thing is to know how much extra business you might actually generate by acquiring merchant status. One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure transactions have been holding back the market here ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109191 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941934212:10:13698:20; Sun, 07 Nov 99 00:23:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013589; 7 Nov 99 0:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:48:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31419 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:48:26 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kFY3-000HPU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:47:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:34:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Filter for Word97 documents? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Could someone tell me if a filter is available to transfer filed formatted by > Word97 into OvationPro? And if so what OvationPro site is it available on? > !TransWord. Doesn't do everything, but a fair amount. Try: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109196 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941929746:20:24268:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 23:09:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024194; 6 Nov 99 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31152 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:40:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA31147 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:40:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.39) [193.149.73.39] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kEUY-0003O2-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:39:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 18:22:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released In-Reply-To: <495C58909A%mik@xemik.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > In message <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > There is still a number of people over here clinging to Impressions > > because their existing work is trapped in that format. > This is a major problem for me. I have quite a few docs that I still use > regularly (& archive docs which I need to keep) which are in Imp' Pub' > format. > Now that Drawfile borders have been intro'd there is only one major headache > left for me & that is tables. Almost all of the IP docs I still need are > tables 'templates'. If you've got Impression Publisher then you've got a copy of Tablemate 1. Why not export any data you need from the tables as text story, replace the tabs with commas and import that file into Tablemate. I know it's a bind redefining your styles and Tab positions, but it would be worth it in the long run. Having said the above, I still keep my copy of IP to ease access to legacy files, but I wonder how many more upgrades of RISCOS will occur before IP no longer works. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109197 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941930392:20:29365:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 23:19:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100386; 6 Nov 99 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31200 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:52:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31195 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:52:43 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kEg8-000FU0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:51:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:50:57 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: References: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >How much would an upgrade cost? > > Thats a good question... > > >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? > > Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. > > Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank 5% > of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the > account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole lot > of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. Err, I think you may have got my meaning back to front. The fact that 5% on each transaction isn't much is what I was getting at. Rather than suggesting that you were grasping, I was suggesting that it wouldn't mean much to each of us to pay the extra percentage even if we didn't pay by CC. That way you wouldn't be seen to be making a surcharge for plastic and wouldn't make a loss. Perhaps, given the rest of what you say above, it wouldn't add up anyway. I don't think anyone here is going to call you grasping. Quite the reverse. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109208 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942052241:20:24639:24; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:10:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024412; 8 Nov 99 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02896 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:20:25 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02891 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:20:23 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-9-31.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.31]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C2325DB112 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:19:44 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:59:36 +0100 Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> References: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > > > John Schild wrote: > > > > > Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to > > > spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? > > > > > > I /never/seem to see it on proof reading; and would hate to have to > > > migrate to M$Word to get over the problem! > > > > > > > The problem that that approach runs into is - repeated words are > > sometimes legal. But I suppose a warning might be useful ... > Quite. I use other WP s/w on a PC (for Hebrew work) and it flags > repeated words. I find it very annoying when it flags words which > should be repeated, although it is useful when I have occasionally > made a mistake. On balance, it is a bit of a nuisance, although > a warning of some sort of warning might be a compromise. It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double words. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109210 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942053850:20:19400:33; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:37:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019279; 8 Nov 99 9:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00249 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:03:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00244 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:03:47 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11kkBd-0004w4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:30:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:24:28 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > > I know what you mean - we've been through the same issues > ourselves. But one thing strikes me as a customer: it's not just > the supplier that gets ripped off by the banks. If I write you a > cheque on our business account it seems to cost us an obscene > amount in bank charges. If I include the cost of generating a > paper-based order, posting it to you, the time involved in > getting the whole thing together and walking down to the > post-office - it probably exceeds the extra 5% you might put on > the cost at your end. There are one or two other suppliers in the > Risc Os field who cannot take credit cards and I have to say > we've more or less given up with them. It's caused so much extra > work and hassle for us that we've gone to rival providers. (Of > course, we don't really have that option with OvationPro!) I did read some horror stories on UK banks some years ago. The low level of service and what they dare ask for it. That didn't change over the years? Transactions within the country are cheap in the Netherlands. If so could David ask a foreign bank in London to give him credit card facilities? And he can always open a bank account in the Netherlands to receive the continental contributions. With the Euro, banks will soon be forced to use the same rates for foreign transactions. They don't do it yet and that is investigated now as there is no risk in value changes. I know some Dutch people that have a German bank account to buy cheaper electronics in Germany. There are others that have a bank account there for other reasons .... This doesn't help the NZ customers however. With non-Euro countries in the EC one may expect different rates for transactions to them even after the change. I've used banknotes and Eurocheques in envelopes and that is not the way I like to pay. Anyway Eurocheques are on the way out I'm afraid. A credit card is the easiest way, 5% on an upgrade is alright but on bigger sums it can be a lot of money that goes down the drain. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109213 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942054189:20:24823:23; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:43:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024741; 8 Nov 99 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00401 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:26:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00396 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:26:21 GMT Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kZ9X-000Gpi-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:43:07 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:08:46 GMT Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:52:50 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495D620360%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol wrote: > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > transactions have been holding back the market here ... He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109219 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942052546:10:14214:22; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:15:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014002; 8 Nov 99 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31580 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:46:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31575 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:46:09 +0100 Received: from obanphys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.51.151]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aOtb-0009PK-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:44:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:36:36 +0100 Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494ef51eabperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] > It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double > words. I'll concede that "that that" is fine, but an applet that removes *both* "very"s would do us all a favour. Cheerio, Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109223 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942055169:20:10132:22; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:59:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010106; 8 Nov 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00481 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:30:37 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00476 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:30:33 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p67-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.199]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA01229 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:14:19 +1300 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:18 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB00481 On Sun 07 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > transactions have been holding back the market here ... >=20 >=20 >=20 > David >=20 >=20 No SSL problems here...... ;-) shhhhh Ren=E9 you may get in trouble....... Giggle --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109227 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942055669:20:17912:28; Mon, 08 Nov 99 10:07:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017983; 8 Nov 99 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20780 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:17:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20775 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:17:36 GMT Received: from davbros.demon.co.uk ([158.152.143.174]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jXzf-0009tG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:16:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:36:53 +0000 (GMT) From: David Broster Subject: Re: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? To: OvationPro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Nov, A.F. Taylor wrote: > Thanks very much for the new upgrade. There is a problem for users of > Russell Thompson's !Expand applet - it completely stiffed my computer on > trying to load OPro 2.55 with it present! I don't know if Russell is still > 'active' in the applet writing/revising field but I hope he might sort out > this rather useful one. (ROS 4.00, if it's relevant) > > Regards, > !Expand seems to work perfectly here with 2.55 (ROS 4.02) but I do have a similar problem with the !NewFrames applet. Regards David -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109229 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942055410:10:12029:187; Mon, 08 Nov 99 10:03:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014437; 8 Nov 99 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00377 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:23:47 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00372 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:23:39 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-03.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.133]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09570 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:03:18 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:42:23 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Suddenly it doesn't ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA00373 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB00377 Hi! For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPro to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro icon and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where they appear as: {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Address=95} {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Postcode=95} Click test and nothing happens. No name and address appears. the filds obstinately stay as they were. I do have the Impulse Applet loaded. Indeed, I downloaded it again a few minutes ago, just in case there had been some alterations. David --=20 Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109233 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942057067:10:07850:141; Mon, 08 Nov 99 10:31:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122638; 8 Nov 99 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00783 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:55:02 GMT Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00776 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:55:00 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.219] (helo=mail22.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11kLqy-00019f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:31:04 +0000 Received: from modem-32.rubidium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.18.32] helo=loopback) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11kLqk-0002V8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:30:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:23:33 +0000 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New filer icons Message-ID: X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I now have 2.55 although I have had little chance to use it in happiness let alone anger. One thing which did strike me imediately though was the new RISC OS 4 filer icons. Before I continue I will point out that unlike most I quite like the new look ROS4 style. The ovation icons seem to use a blue which is a little more vivid than the standard ROS4 blue. They are a tad bright for the rest of the scheme. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ----------------\ "You'd better hope there's inteligent \ life somewhere out in space because snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ there's bugger all down here on http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/ \ Earth" - The Galaxy Song, M. Python -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109245 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942060095:10:14925:250; Mon, 08 Nov 99 11:21:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005002; 8 Nov 99 11:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01166 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:29:46 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01161 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:29:44 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.223] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11km2h-0005QO-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:28:56 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:15:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:14:50 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <7deeb05d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494ef51eabperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan H Partridge wrote: > In article <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk>, > Ray Dawson wrote: > > [snip] > > > It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double > > words. > > I'll concede that "that that" is fine, but an applet that removes *both* > "very"s would do us all a favour. > Well, of course, it's true that *that* "that that" is OK, but sometimes it's just a case repeated words. David (OK who's going to go for five ..) -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109254 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942069200:10:29239:18; Mon, 08 Nov 99 13:53:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128088; 8 Nov 99 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01914 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:19 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01909 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:17 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-11-107.easynet.co.uk [212.134.18.107]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8258ADB0C4 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:04 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:27:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New filer icons Message-ID: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Matthew Hambley wrote: > I now have 2.55 although I have had little chance to use it in > happiness let alone anger. One thing which did strike me imediately > though was the new RISC OS 4 filer icons. Before I continue I will > point out that unlike most I quite like the new look ROS4 style. The > ovation icons seem to use a blue which is a little more vivid than the > standard ROS4 blue. They are a tad bright for the rest of the scheme. Yes, I noticed the new icon as it replaced the one I had made myself. What puzzles me is where it is in OP as I couldn't find it in any of the sprite files. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109255 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942069885:10:08726:20; Mon, 08 Nov 99 14:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008396; 8 Nov 99 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01925 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01916 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:56 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kOVh-000HBl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:21:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:01:47 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: Delete key operation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, David Scott (Apps) wrote: > > The above anomaly only occurs with the operating system's 'PC delete' > > is ticked. Has anyone else found the same? > > > I agree that there are some anomalies here - but have you tried the Backspace > key since this has the original functionality of the Delete key? I did, it didn't work either. Best to have it switched off, and use the built-in PC-delete of OPro. It's not very important, I'm still used to the old Acorn-style Backspace anyway. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109258 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942069364:20:18415:18; Mon, 08 Nov 99 13:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117850; 8 Nov 99 13:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01927 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:23:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01918 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:57 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kOVf-000HBl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:21:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:04:16 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: PC style delete To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109150@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for PC-style delete. When I > >have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because the > >delete key isn't working anymore. > > I guess you'll find a number of oddities with PC style delete ticked. > I'd not thought of the above one, but back when ROS4 came out I > noted the general problem here. It's not that important. I wrote about it just to let you and of course other users know. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109276 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942075891:10:19254:27; Mon, 08 Nov 99 15:44:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111355; 8 Nov 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02447 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02439 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:01 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.132) [62.188.144.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kYHa-0003kP-00; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:47:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:40:11 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Red underlines for mis-spelt words; a bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I hadn't seen anyone else mention this, but it seems to persist with me. When you have the red underlines, and also hyphenation, enabled, and if a word is hyphenated, and if the fragment on the second line isn't a recognised word, it gets a red underline. Not a serious bug, but a bit annoying. Is this known, or can it be something I am doing wrong? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109280 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942078181:10:14960:21; Mon, 08 Nov 99 16:23:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014530; 8 Nov 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02817 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:47:09 GMT Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02812 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:47:08 GMT Received: from [130.159.56.178] (helo=rosco.chem.strath.ac.uk) by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11kqvX-0002Lr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:41:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:45:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: New filer icons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , Matthew Hambley > wrote: > > I now have 2.55 although I have had little chance to use it in > > happiness let alone anger. One thing which did strike me imediately > > though was the new RISC OS 4 filer icons. Before I continue I will > > point out that unlike most I quite like the new look ROS4 style. The > > ovation icons seem to use a blue which is a little more vivid than the > > standard ROS4 blue. They are a tad bright for the rest of the scheme. > > Yes, I noticed the new icon as it replaced the one I had made myself. > > What puzzles me is where it is in OP as I couldn't find it in any of the > sprite files. > The new icons are in the sprite files !OvnPro.4Sprites and !OvnPro.4Sprites22 The difference between them and the RISC OS 4 ROM sprite files is that the OPro pale blue areas are solid colour 251 (from the 256 colour palette) whereas the RISC OS 4 ones have this colour interspersed with white to appear as a paler blue. Regards, Phil. -- Phil Dennison (p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109284 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942081084:10:19117:17; Mon, 08 Nov 99 17:11:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018908; 8 Nov 99 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02991 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:38:10 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02986 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:38:09 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02428 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:37:57 GMT Message-ID: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:38:07 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109296 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942075874:20:05488:28; Mon, 08 Nov 99 15:44:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104848; 8 Nov 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02464 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02452 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:04 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.189) [62.188.133.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kkcX-0005nD-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:57:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 09:36:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495d299046steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Fred Bambrough wrote: > I don't think anyone here is going to call you grasping. Quite the > reverse. Quite. Given that we've just had over a week of us arguing with David over whether he should charge us for the upgrade, and a the rather unusual situation of the customer arguing the price UP... Tell you what David, include a free copy of A.N. Other item of utility software (e.g. SparkFS [1])with the cash orders, leave it out on the credit card transactions. Effectively a surcharge, or is that a bonus for cash? [1] OK some already have that, but others may not, and those that don't damned well ought to have :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109299 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942087712:10:16509:19; Mon, 08 Nov 99 19:01:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129929; 8 Nov 99 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03598 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:27:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03593 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:27:34 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ktTI-000PPD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:24:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:22:49 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake writes >One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over >your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note >of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. > Personally, I'm a bit at odds with David's upgrade instructions (Yes, I know - go wash my mouth out with soap :) Anyway, it probably doesn't help you much right now, but for others who have not yet upgraded, and maybe for David instructions in the future, here's how to avoid that hassle: 1) Make a copy of your current OPro application directory (this allows you to back-track in an emergency) 2) Make sure you have "force" selected but not "newer" in your copy options. 3) copy the !RunImage file from 2.52 into what *was* your current OPro application directory (the one you just copied) 4. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. 5. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. 6. Run the new application to ensure it works. Now, you will note that you actually *only* need to keep the 2.52 !Runimage for upgrading - not the whole application. If you're short on disc space, this may be a life-saver. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109302 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942078729:20:21893:21; Mon, 08 Nov 99 16:32:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021897; 8 Nov 99 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02470 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02457 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.27) [193.149.83.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kXyK-0003Ob-00; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:27:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 13:51:01 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495D40E33F%mik@xemik.com> References: <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> John Martin wrote: > On 05 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > I have quite a few docs that I still use regularly (& archive docs which > > I need to keep) which are in Imp' Pub' format. > > > [...] there is only one major headache left for me & that is tables. > > Almost all of the IP docs I still need are tables 'templates'. > If you've got Impression Publisher then you've got a copy of Tablemate 1. Very true, but I gave up on it. It was too much like hard work. ;-) > Why not export any data you need from the tables as text story, replace > the tabs with commas and import that file into Tablemate. I exported the data to Easiwriter Pro & produced a table that way. > I know it's a bind redefining your styles and Tab positions, but it would > be worth it in the long run. But it would be better not to have Drawfile tables, don't you think? > Having said the above, I still keep my copy of IP to ease access to legacy > files, but I wonder how many more upgrades of RISCOS will occur before IP > no longer works. I'll stick it on my son's A410 with RO3.1. :o) -- This sentance has threee errors __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:29:43 GMT Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24212 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08208 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:26 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <19991108152926.H6262@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <495D620360%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 09:07:27PM +0000, Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Sun 07 Nov, Norman Thomas wrote: > > In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol > > wrote: > > > > > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > > > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > > > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > > > transactions have been holding back the market here ... > > > > He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. > > I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system > > would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of > > RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our > > 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping > > facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... > > So what is the problem? UK Fresco customers can get the SSL module just by > emailing Paul Vigay. > > paul.support@argonet.co.uk > > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109317 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942084118:20:15345:17; Mon, 08 Nov 99 18:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015330; 8 Nov 99 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03400 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:44:24 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03395 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:44:21 GMT Received: (qmail 6234 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1999 17:00:43 -0000 Received: from userbf87.uk.uudial.com (HELO userbf87) (62.188.142.108) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 1999 17:00:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:56:25 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro 2.55 Message-ID: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello All having just downloaded and inastalled version 2.55. Is it now just a simple case of copying accross any applets that I used as well as the !Prefs file. What other files, if any should be copied over to the new version. This might be a simple request, but I don't know the answer, hence the question. Thanks -- Some cops are good some bad -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109327 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942087369:20:00528:17; Mon, 08 Nov 99 18:56:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000249; 8 Nov 99 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03656 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:40:05 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03651 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:40:03 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-8-203.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.203]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A60F87B180 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:39:50 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:14:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New filer icons Message-ID: <495dd1e3c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Phil Dennison wrote: > > Yes, I noticed the new icon as it replaced the one I had made myself. > > > > What puzzles me is where it is in OP as I couldn't find it in any of > > the sprite files. > > > The new icons are in the sprite files !OvnPro.4Sprites and > !OvnPro.4Sprites22 Whoops - how did I miss that! Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109328 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942104593:10:05177:35; Mon, 08 Nov 99 23:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004869; 8 Nov 99 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04881 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:12:04 GMT Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (ds-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04876 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:12:02 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id SAA13706 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:11:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:10:18 -0500 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA04877 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is a very simple way of securing plastic payments, which applies particularly to Risc OS users (because no Wintel nasty can read anything from it). I have used it for years. Put your card details on a small sprite (using Paint), and for good measure squash it, then archive/uuencode the file and send it as an attachment, with a reference in the email to `payment details attached' (the reference is non-specific in case some sniffer is looking for a ccard-specific phrase). The chances that a Wintel sniffer could figure out all that must be astronomically against. -- Nobilangelo Ceramalus (New Zealand) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109333 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942110160:10:09952:19; Tue, 09 Nov 99 01:16:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120172; 9 Nov 99 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05443 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:55 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA05438 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:49 GMT Received: (qmail 8859 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1999 00:58:24 -0000 Received: from d250-nas3.pen.pnc.com.au (HELO koalasoft.pnc.com.au) (203.57.114.250) by halibut.pnc.com.au with SMTP; 9 Nov 1999 00:58:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:49:57 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK, This is going all around the world (no pun intended). I am in a position to help here. I have e-mailed David direct and if my proposal is acceptable I/David will advise via this list. Kindest regards Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109339 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942092318:20:06306:21; Mon, 08 Nov 99 20:18:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124126; 8 Nov 99 20:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03972 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:59:52 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03967 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:59:50 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.211] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11kuwJ-0006Ds-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:58:56 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:52:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:52:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines for mis-spelt words; a bug? Message-ID: <1ecae55d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > I hadn't seen anyone else mention this, but it seems to persist with me. > When you have the red underlines, and also hyphenation, enabled, and if > a word is hyphenated, and if the fragment on the second line isn't a > recognised word, it gets a red underline. Not a serious bug, but a bit > annoying. Is this known, or can it be something I am doing wrong? > This certainly happens with me. Actually,it makes the spell-checking facility pretty useless for much of our work. I would dearly like to see the buglet fixed so that fragments of hyphenated words do not get treated as errors. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109341 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942093430:20:21198:33; Mon, 08 Nov 99 20:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021299; 8 Nov 99 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04054 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04049 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.139.105) [62.188.139.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kv3f-00045V-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:04:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: double double trouble Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 8 Nov 1999 (10:14:50 +0000), david@english.co.uk wrote: >(OK who's going to go for five ..) > A publican comes out of his pub and calls up to the signwriter at work overhead, "It would look better with more space between the 'George' and 'And', and 'And' and Dragon." (Not five times 'that', I know, but maybe it counts?) Richard ;-) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109343 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942138782:10:22682:18; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:13:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114887; 9 Nov 99 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06841 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:54 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06836 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:52 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA11060 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:32 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Steve Harratt wrote: > Hello All > > having just downloaded and inastalled version 2.55. > > Is it now just a simple case of copying accross any applets that I used > as well as the !Prefs file. > > What other files, if any should be copied over to the new version. > or you could do it the other way around and just copy the RunImage from your new 2.55 into your old !OvPro. Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109344 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942139961:10:07698:39; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:32:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007945; 9 Nov 99 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06850 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:55:22 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06845 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:55:20 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19190 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:55:01 GMT Message-ID: <3827E181.35129FC7@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:55:29 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks, for the info. I will copy the rum image file from my old copy to my new one. Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > In message <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake > writes > >One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over > >your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note > >of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. > > > > Personally, I'm a bit at odds with David's upgrade instructions (Yes, I > know - go wash my mouth out with soap :) > > Anyway, it probably doesn't help you much right now, but for others who > have not yet upgraded, and maybe for David instructions in the future, > here's how to avoid that hassle: > > 1) Make a copy of your current OPro application directory (this allows > you to back-track in an emergency) > > 2) Make sure you have "force" selected but not "newer" in your copy > options. > > 3) copy the !RunImage file from 2.52 into what *was* your current OPro > application directory (the one you just copied) > > 4. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 > application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. > > 5. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded > into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. > > 6. Run the new application to ensure it works. > > Now, you will note that you actually *only* need to keep the 2.52 > !Runimage for upgrading - not the whole application. If you're short on > disc space, this may be a life-saver. > -- > Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk > | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org > Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109347 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942141507:10:28472:18; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:58:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027991; 9 Nov 99 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:41:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07066 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:41:43 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.117) [62.188.136.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11l7mD-0000vC-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:41:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 06:55:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New Upgrade Message-ID: <495e2289b7jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Nov, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over > your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note > of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. Look in your old AutoRun directory and trnsfer the !Macros file into your new version of OvPro. I presume that transfering the whole of the AutoRun directory should give you back all that you had in the old version, Cheers - -- Graham ZFC S+ jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109353 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942097382:20:12309:24; Mon, 08 Nov 99 21:43:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122366; 8 Nov 99 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04413 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:26:19 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04408 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:26:18 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s28-188-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.188]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:07:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495D620360%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 07 Nov, Norman Thomas wrote: > In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol > wrote: > > > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > > transactions have been holding back the market here ... > > He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. > I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system > would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of > RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our > 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping > facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... > So what is the problem? UK Fresco customers can get the SSL module just by emailing Paul Vigay. paul.support@argonet.co.uk There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109358 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942100230:20:19253:28; Mon, 08 Nov 99 22:30:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019125; 8 Nov 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04643 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:03:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04638 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:03:35 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kwsj-000F2M-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:03:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:22:49 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake writes >One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over >your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note >of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. > Personally, I'm a bit at odds with David's upgrade instructions (Yes, I know - go wash my mouth out with soap :) Anyway, it probably doesn't help you much right now, but for others who have not yet upgraded, and maybe for David instructions in the future, here's how to avoid that hassle: 1) Make a copy of your current OPro application directory (this allows you to back-track in an emergency) 2) Make sure you have "force" selected but not "newer" in your copy options. 3) copy the !RunImage file from 2.52 into what *was* your current OPro application directory (the one you just copied) 4. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. 5. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. 6. Run the new application to ensure it works. Now, you will note that you actually *only* need to keep the 2.52 !Runimage for upgrading - not the whole application. If you're short on disc space, this may be a life-saver. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109359 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942150053:10:08413:20; Tue, 09 Nov 99 12:20:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008352; 9 Nov 99 12:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07684 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:02:16 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07679 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:02:11 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p81-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.213]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA01586 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:01:39 +1300 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:01:00 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <19991108152926.H6262@lanark.spa.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB07684 On Tue 09 Nov, Graham Allan wrote: > > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. >=20 > Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very > useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! >=20 > Graham Still as the Module is no longer exclusively in the UK, and therefore the "Export from UK" restriction would not apply, I am sure anyone making it known that they require it would find it available somewhere.. ;-) =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109365 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942154693:10:04058:27; Tue, 09 Nov 99 13:38:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105987; 9 Nov 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08032 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:18:35 GMT Received: from rhymer174.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (rhymer144.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08027 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:18:28 GMT Received: from babel.psy.ed.ac.uk (babel.psy.ed.ac.uk [129.215.50.68]) by rhymer174.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19994 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:18:09 GMT Received: from martinc by babel.psy.ed.ac.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.03) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 09 Nov 1999 13:18:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:18:11 +0000 From: Martin Corley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: University of Edinburgh User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (RemoteNB/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.71) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Oliver wrote: > On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > > > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had > > had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. > > I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented > loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. Something like a > teacher explaining to a student how he'd given him a low mark: > > "If where you had had 'had' had had 'had, had'; had had 'had, had' where > you had had 'had', then you'd have earned full marks." "John, where Bill had had 'had had', had had 'had'. 'Had had' had had the teacher's approval." (sorry, couldn't resist any longer). -- Martin Corley ---- Department of Psychology Martin.Corley@ed.ac.uk University of Edinburgh ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109366 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942104619:20:09361:18; Mon, 08 Nov 99 23:43:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125412; 8 Nov 99 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04950 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:21:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04945 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:21:02 GMT Received: from (194.69.109.227) [194.69.109.227] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ky5e-0001pD-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:20:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: OvationPro Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:42:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? Message-ID: <495df55742davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Broster wrote: > !Expand seems to work perfectly here with 2.55 (ROS 4.02) but I do have a > similar problem with the !NewFrames applet. > Regards > David What error are you getting with !NewFrame? David Breakwell Author of NewFrame, IdxPro and Labeller -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109372 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942107083:20:05642:20; Tue, 09 Nov 99 00:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128203; 9 Nov 99 0:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05180 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:07:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05175 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:07:30 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kyoS-0006iM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:07:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:38:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Red underlines for mis-spelt words; a bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 07 Nov, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I hadn't seen anyone else mention this, but it seems to persist with me. > When you have the red underlines, and also hyphenation, enabled, and if > a word is hyphenated, and if the fragment on the second line isn't a > recognised word, it gets a red underline. Not a serious bug, but a bit > annoying. Is this known, or can it be something I am doing wrong? Well might as well throw in this one too as we're talking about it. COuld the spell checking using red underline not take place until after a space or punctuation mark rather than as you type. It's annoying having the red line follow you as you type. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109375 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942109182:20:26387:19; Tue, 09 Nov 99 00:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026361; 9 Nov 99 0:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05283 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:29:53 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05278 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:29:51 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.1] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11kz9a-00019S-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:28:55 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:09:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:08:41 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19991108152926.H6262@lanark.spa.umn.edu> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Graham Allan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 09:07:27PM +0000, Steve Ellacott wrote: > > On Sun 07 Nov, Norman Thomas wrote: > > > In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > > > > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > > > > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > > > > transactions have been holding back the market here ... > > > > > > He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. > > > I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system > > > would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of > > > RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our > > > 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping > > > facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... > > > > So what is the problem? UK Fresco customers can get the SSL module just by > > emailing Paul Vigay. > > > > paul.support@argonet.co.uk > > > > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. > > Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very > useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! > I'm afraid RiscOs broswers have some way to go before I will feel comfortable using them for e-commerce. Besides the SSL (which I now have and it kinda works), many ecommerce sites use javascript. That means having browser which is both robustly javascript enabled and has SSL. I haven't managed that yet ... it's simpler to fire up the PC laptop and do it that way. But then I rather despair of the whole Internet provision for RiscOS. It really is very hard work and always seems so many steps behind the rest of the world. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109376 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942164072:10:22688:47; Tue, 09 Nov 99 16:14:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112812; 9 Nov 99 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08532 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:39:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08527 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:39:07 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lDLl-0008gc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:38:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:44:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Nobilangelo wrote: > There is a very simple way of securing plastic payments, which applies > particularly to Risc OS users (because no Wintel nasty can read anything > from it). I have used it for years. > > Put your card details on a small sprite (using Paint), and for good measure > squash it, then archive/uuencode the file and send it as an attachment, > with a reference in the email to `payment details attached' (the reference > is non-specific in case some sniffer is looking for a ccard-specific > phrase). > > The chances that a Wintel sniffer could figure out all that must be > astronomically against. I have done similar with a draw file, but then I've happily sent my number whizzing over the net to the states, unsecure, and so far nee problems. Perhaps I'm pushing my luck. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109379 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942111253:20:15182:21; Tue, 09 Nov 99 01:34:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015061; 9 Nov 99 1:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05436 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05431 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:24 GMT Received: from davbros.demon.co.uk ([158.152.143.174]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kzbs-000Pz9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:55:38 +0000 (GMT) From: David Broster Subject: Re: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? To: OvationPro In-Reply-To: <495df55742davidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article , > David Broster wrote: > > > !Expand seems to work perfectly here with 2.55 (ROS 4.02) but I do have a > > similar problem with the !NewFrames applet. > > > Regards > > > David > > What error are you getting with !NewFrame? > > David Breakwell > Author of NewFrame, IdxPro and Labeller I don't believe this! After upgrading to 2.55, everytime I tried to run !OvnPro it fell over with a Type 5 error - until I removed !NewFrames from the applets directory. I've just replaced it to check before replying to you, and, yes, everything ran OK. Given that someone else had a problem with !Expand, does anyone know of other situations where applets have to be removed and reinstalled after an upgrade? -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109387 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942116418:20:25888:24; Tue, 09 Nov 99 03:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025725; 9 Nov 99 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06161 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:42:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06156 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:42:43 GMT Received: from foursqre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.130] helo=RiscPC01) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11l1Ep-00067q-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:42:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:53:31 +0000 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <9fde065e49.peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk> References: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> Nobilangelo wrote: > There is a very simple way of securing plastic payments, which applies > particularly to Risc OS users (because no Wintel nasty can read anything > from it). I have used it for years. > > Put your card details on a small sprite (using Paint), and for good measure > squash it, then archive/uuencode the file and send it as an attachment, > with a reference in the email to `payment details attached' (the reference > is non-specific in case some sniffer is looking for a ccard-specific > phrase). > > The chances that a Wintel sniffer could figure out all that must be > astronomically against. Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Once these compression methods are overcome you are left with a bitmap which can be fairly easily recognised, sometimes even with a text editor. I would feel safer with text in a draw file, converted to paths, then compressed. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 989 0929 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109391 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942140068:20:28218:17; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:34:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117825; 9 Nov 99 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06912 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:05:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06907 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:05:20 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.216) [62.188.150.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11l7Co-0000Ha-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:05:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:58:30 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: double double trouble Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 8 Nov 1999 (20:04:58 +0000), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Mon 8 Nov 1999 (10:14:50 +0000), david@english.co.uk wrote: > >(OK who's going to go for five ..) > Ok, what about the infamous Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. ColinC -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109398 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942147680:20:27675:21; Tue, 09 Nov 99 11:41:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027327; 9 Nov 99 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07549 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:10:10 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07544 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:10:06 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1531.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.161]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30050 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:09:41 +0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:58:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: double double trouble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had had', 'had' > had had one more 'had' added. I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. Something like a teacher explaining to a student how he'd given him a low mark: "If where you had had 'had' had had 'had, had'; had had 'had, had' where you had had 'had', then you'd have earned full marks." Or something like that, anyway. Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109399 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942151771:20:01215:19; Tue, 09 Nov 99 12:49:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000703; 9 Nov 99 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07752 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:17:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07747 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:17:39 GMT Received: from revcol.demon.co.uk ([158.152.85.137]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lAD7-0009bI-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:17:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:16:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Colin G.F. Brockie" Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA07748 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB07752 Status: R On Sun 07 Nov, David Love wrote: > Hi! >=20 > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPr= o > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. >=20 > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro ico= n > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > they appear as: >=20 > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Address=95} > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Postcode=95} >=20 > Click test and nothing happens. No name and address appears. the fild= s > obstinately stay as they were. I am relieved to know someone else has this problem I thought I was simpl= y missing something simple. Please will someone help. Colin. G.F. Brockie --=20 General remote signature - name, company name, address, WWW address? Work international number. Disclaimer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109407 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942162737:20:20366:59; Tue, 09 Nov 99 15:52:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020594; 9 Nov 99 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08379 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08374 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:21 GMT Received: from edencroft.demon.co.uk ([193.237.142.83]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lCoQ-0001lO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:03:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:51:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Subject: Re: double double trouble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199911090905.JAA06921@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeremy Roberts X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Well, of course, it's true that *that* "that that" is OK, but > sometimes it's just a case repeated words. > > David > > (OK who's going to go for five ..) > - -- > The English Company (UK) Ltd > http://www.english.co.uk When David (The English Co.) says that 'that *that* "that that" is OK', he has neatly lined us up for the obvious 'fiver'... well, it *is* the conker season. Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:11:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109410 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:11:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942165810:20:07604:41; Tue, 09 Nov 99 16:43:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007858; 9 Nov 99 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08600 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:59:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08594 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:59:45 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lDg1-000Eoa-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:59:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 09:28:42 GMT From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Window backdrops X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile, which is different to the one I've got configured on the rest of my (RO4) system. This applies to most (if not all) of the dialogue boxes and others. Can I just use the Templates file from 2.54, which didn't have this 'feature'? The texture in question is a grey 'crumpled paper' type one, rather than the usual 'marble' type. Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:35:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109435 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942168141:10:08090:58; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:22:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118630; 9 Nov 99 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08872 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:03:54 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08867 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:03:47 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17585 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:03:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:47:45 GMT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. >Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less >common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Once these >compression methods are overcome you are left with a bitmap which can >be fairly easily recognised, sometimes even with a text editor. > Squash used to be 12-bit LZW, fairly standard, the header is non-standard though. >I would feel safer with text in a draw file, converted to paths, then >compressed. > Why so much effort instead of using proper encryption (PGP) ? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:35:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109436 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942170055:20:11763:40; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:54:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011867; 9 Nov 99 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08985 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:20:55 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08980 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:20:52 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18552 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:18:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199911091718.SAA18552@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:16:04 GMT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 942167055 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On Tue 09 Nov, Graham Allan wrote: > >> > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. >> >> Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very >> useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! >> >> Graham > > Still as the Module is no longer exclusively in the UK, and therefore > the "Export from UK" restriction would not apply, I am sure anyone > making it known that they require it would find it available > somewhere.. ;-) > Hear, hear,Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 is that so, I would require it quite dearly... With kind regards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:35:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109439 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:35:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942169791:10:25388:79; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:49:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106966; 9 Nov 99 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09026 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:29:55 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09021 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:29:54 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-9-55.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.55]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A7EF7B07F for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:29:27 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:24:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. Created a rectangular frame Selected Object...Shape. Selected Regular polygon 3 sides Triangle was inverted so Selected Regular polygon -3 sides Type=5 and quits The above is repeatable here. BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109474 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942173632:20:04628:17; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004310; 9 Nov 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09543 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09538 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG8T-000JsJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:36:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:00:56 GMT Message-Id: <109421@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Window backdrops X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in >OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile, which is >different to the one I've got configured on the rest of my (RO4) system. If you want to get rid of this, just delete the sprite 'tile_1' from !OvnPro.!OvnResDir. UK.Sprites22 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109475 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942173582:10:10890:77; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:53:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011283; 9 Nov 99 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09564 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09559 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG8a-000JsJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:07:01 GMT Message-Id: <109425@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. >Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less >common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Squash uses the standard unix compressLZW scheme. Hopefully to conclude this discussion... strangely the bank I talked to would authorise me to take credit cards by email, phone, fax or letter. But went quite pale at the mention of web sites i.e. https, SSL etc. I had to promise to not do that. Yes a dealers discount is 25-30%, so I'd rather you bought direct. But they are there as an option if you have to pay by credit card. Debit cards come with credit card support, and they cost slightly less to process. However I guess credit cards are more important and the way the banks work debit cards are the optional extra. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109476 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942174348:20:13876:24; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:05:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113245; 9 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09499 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09493 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:56 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG6B-000Mh5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:28:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Window backdrops To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Nov, John Pettigrew wrote: [snip] > I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in > OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile [snip] I didn't like it either. It's a large sprite. I found it, and renamed it. Nothing went wrong, so I deleted it. Still nothing went wrong. If you do this, you just get the previous texture. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109478 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942174446:20:15123:21; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:07:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115496; 9 Nov 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09622 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:39:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09617 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:39:00 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lGA5-000Fgi-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:38:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:38:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: due reward for work on OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Some of us seem to think David should get money from us around now; he doesn't. What is to stop us just sending it? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109479 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942174342:10:20136:32; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:05:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020244; 9 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09554 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09545 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG8X-000JsJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:36:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:02:54 GMT Message-Id: <109423@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPro > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro icon > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > they appear as: > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} This is because the data exported fromm Impact (which is in the form of Impression DDF) is not being converted before being loaded into OPro. Instead it is being loaded raw. Instead of this situation you have to configure things so that all text files go via the !TransDDF loader. To do that a line must be present in the !TransDDF loader !Boot file i.e. Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir and the !TransDDF loader must be 'seen' or booted before OPro is run. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 20:46:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109495 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 20:46:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942180384:20:00120:30; Tue, 09 Nov 99 20:46:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103650; 9 Nov 99 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09971 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lHHW-0004cZ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:24:09 GMT Message-Id: <109470@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Selected Regular polygon -3 sides >Type=5 and quits Ooops, I'll fix that. >BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Enable grid, draw it by hand... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:47:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109526 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942182413:10:17980:62; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:20:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018232; 9 Nov 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10529 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10524 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lIAl-0008hl-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:44:35 GMT Message-Id: <109482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: due reward for work on OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Some of us seem to think David should get money from us >around now; he doesn't. What is to stop us just sending it? Very good of you to offer, but that probably would make life more complex for me. Effectively I'd have to run an account for each user, so that come the real upgrade I'd know what you'd paid. Just wait, in due course the opportunity to buy an upgrade will arise. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:47:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109527 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942180699:20:03619:23; Tue, 09 Nov 99 20:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003290; 9 Nov 99 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10033 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:52:00 GMT Received: from mail22.svr.pol.co.uk (mail22.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.219]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10028 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:51:58 GMT Received: from modem-138.name59.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.189.138] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lHIh-0006QC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:51:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:47:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495e6933ccBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. > Created a rectangular frame > Selected Object...Shape. > Selected Regular polygon 3 sides > Triangle was inverted so > Selected Regular polygon -3 sides > Type=5 and quits > The above is repeatable here. And here > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Object>Modify>Angle=180 (Before or after creating the triangle) Now Picture>Modify Picture>Angle=180 (Assuming it's a picture frame) > Cheers, > Ray D -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:48:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109529 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:47:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942181336:20:11144:31; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:02:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120158; 9 Nov 99 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09981 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:46 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09968 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lHHU-0004cZ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:18:27 GMT Message-Id: <109468@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it now just a simple case of copying accross any applets that I used >as well as the !Prefs file. With applets it depends, some come with an installer program which installs script files in !OvnPro.Library if you are using those then you have to reinstall them, using the installer program. Other applets can be simply copied across. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:48:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109530 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:48:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942182336:20:23822:31; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023496; 9 Nov 99 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10236 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:05:42 GMT Received: from mail19.svr.pol.co.uk (mail19.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10227 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:05:40 GMT Received: from modem-79.infed.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.73.207] helo=beeston12) by mail19.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lHVx-0005UZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:05:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:23:42 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... Message-ID: <524675e49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA10230 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB10236 Dear colleagues, I suggest you contact EITHER CJE who are now looking af= ter support for Impact-3 OR John Skingley who still has some helpful fingers = in the pie, or visit the appropriate part of the OvationPro web-site. With best wishes, Robin. I will supply the e-mail addresses and URL for these if you lack them, In message "Colin G.F. Brockie" wrote: > On Sun 07 Nov, David Love wrote: > > Hi! > >=20 > > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !Ovation= Pro > > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wro= ng. > >=20 > > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro i= con > > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > > they appear as: > >=20 > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Address=95} > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Postcode=95} > >=20 > > Click test and nothing happens. No name and address appears. the fi= lds > > obstinately stay as they were. >=20 > I am relieved to know someone else has this problem I thought I was sim= ply missing something simple. Please will someone help. >=20 > Colin. G.F. Brockie --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle=20 Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham,=20 NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 22:52:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109558 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 22:52:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942186861:10:03325:22; Tue, 09 Nov 99 22:34:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112597; 9 Nov 99 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10873 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10868 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.107) [193.149.72.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lJN8-0000YI-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:47:20 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Window backdrops Message-ID: <495E692E5E%mik@xemik.com> References: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> John Pettigrew wrote: > I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in > OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile, which > is different to the one I've got configured on the rest of my (RO4) system. > This applies to most (if not all) of the dialogue boxes and others. Can I > just use the Templates file from 2.54, which didn't have this 'feature'? Assuming David doesn't mind you messing with his sprite files ;-) look inside !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK and delete 'tile_1' from Sprites22. This should revert to normal backgrounds next time you run OPro. -- Anagram 23 : Encryption = Try PIN once __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:48 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.219] (helo=mail22.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lJhZ-0005fa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:21 +0000 Received: from [195.92.197.25] (helo=mail17.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lJhV-0001CL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:17 +0000 Received: from modem-63.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.109.191] helo=wallace) by mail17.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lJfN-0006da-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:23:06 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01bf2b01$00ef2ee0$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: StylePal applet Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:23:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi folks, I've just updated the StylePal applet to (a) show when a style has 'line' scope and (b) bring back ticks for RISC OS 4 users (instead of euros or, worse still, blanks in pre RO4 desktop fonts! It should work correctly on all versions of OPro and on both RISC OS 3 and 4, but if something breaks, you can always get the original version from DP's website ;-) Oh yes, DP and/or Chris J are welcome to put it on their resourceful websites. It's at http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/stylepal.zip Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 01:50:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109588 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 01:50:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942195995:20:22791:20; Wed, 10 Nov 99 01:06:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022759; 10 Nov 99 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11642 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:34 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11637 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:33 GMT Received: from 10004784 (man-a098.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.98]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA01145 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:42:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian Oliver wrote: > On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had > > had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. > I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented > loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. Fourteen Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:56:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109613 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:56:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942213798:10:27859:18; Wed, 10 Nov 99 06:03:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027678; 10 Nov 99 6:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12237 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:44 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12232 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:43 GMT Received: (qmail 15856 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1999 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from userk647.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1999 05:47:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:27:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495e61df00dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. > Created a rectangular frame > Selected Object...Shape. > Selected Regular polygon 3 sides > Triangle was inverted so > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > Cheers, > Ray D Hi Ray, Go to the Modify frame dialogue and put 180 in the Angle box. Hey presto. BTW I mean the Angle dialogue, not the Ford Anglia of yesteryear. :-) Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:56:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109614 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942214677:10:04025:19; Wed, 10 Nov 99 06:17:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003876; 10 Nov 99 6:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12230 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:42 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12225 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:39 GMT Received: (qmail 15851 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1999 05:47:08 -0000 Received: from userk647.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1999 05:47:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:19:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495e611da4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net> References: <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > [snip] > >Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. > >Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less > >common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Once these > >compression methods are overcome you are left with a bitmap which can > >be fairly easily recognised, sometimes even with a text editor. > > > Squash used to be 12-bit LZW, fairly standard, the header is > non-standard though. > >I would feel safer with text in a draw file, converted to paths, then > >compressed. > > > Why so much effort instead of using proper encryption (PGP) ? > Kind regards PGP means rude words like pain in the arse. Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:56:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109619 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:56:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942219457:10:07538:23; Wed, 10 Nov 99 07:37:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007475; 10 Nov 99 7:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:08:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12528 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:08:34 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.47) [62.188.143.47] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lRrL-0007S6-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:08:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What are the flaws in the following ideas, which are based on discussions I had with my bank manager last year when I was executor of a will, about the cheapest way of transferring money to one of the recipients who was moving around in various countries. 1) David opens 2 linked accounts at an international bank like HSBC (former Midland Bank in the UK) with branches throughout the world. 2) David makes known to purchasers of OvPro details of the name, sort code and number of account_1 so that wherever they are in the world they can pay in money to that account. 3) To avoid fraud, account_1 can be paid into by anyone but money cannot be withdrawn from it but only transferred into linked account_2 of which only David holds the details. 4) Customers in the UK pay at their local bank the cost of the upgrade into account_1 and then inform David by post or email. Overseas customers will need to do a little more to ensure that David receives the total amount in UKpounds ie they will need to bear the cost of the exchange rate and any bank charges (although if they pay into a branch of the same international bank that David's account is with, these should be minimal). This will make a little more work for the customer but would ensure that David got all the money and save him the time needed for paying in cheques etc. It would also stop the possibility of cheques to David being diverted in the post. According to the latest edition of Which, the interception by thieves of cheques sent by post (particularly where the reipient address regularly receives them) and then opening bogus accounts to pay them into is on the increase. The reccommendation is now to write the number of the recipients account next to their name on the cheque to increase the likelyhood of bank staff noticing hat fraud is being attempted. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:57:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109637 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:57:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942226319:10:21250:30; Wed, 10 Nov 99 09:31:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021271; 10 Nov 99 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12874 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:14:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12868 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:14:03 GMT Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lTok-000BMe-0K; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:13:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <495eb19d2ajohn@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> References: <495e68b88ddave@tfa User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com>, Dave wrote: > In article , > Ian Oliver wrote: > > On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > > > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had > > > had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. > > I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented > > loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. > Fourteen > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. > Dave > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Recalling this thread to something approaching sanity, I wrote in the original request for a repeated word trap because accidentally repeating words and being totally totally blind to them on proof reading is my special un-skill. And David Pilling has responded with amazing speed and implemented precisely what I was looking for. ***///Thanks, David///*** I doubt whether even a broken up M$ could return such a service. Viva RiscOS and cottage industry programming. -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:57:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109643 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:57:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942233848:10:13314:106; Wed, 10 Nov 99 11:37:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013890; 10 Nov 99 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13188 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:11:32 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13183 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:11:27 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p41-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.169]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA03514 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:10:48 +1300 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:08:43 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB13188 The biggest flaw for me is that it is complicated, and I would have to travel about 100 miles to get to a branch of the bank...... Nah... for me Credit card is much easier, even with a surcharge..... =20 On Tue 09 Nov, Alan P Dawes wrote: > What are the flaws in the following ideas, which are based on discussio= ns > I had with my bank manager last year when I was executor of a will, abo= ut > the cheapest way of transferring money to one of the recipients who was > moving around in various countries. >=20 > 1) David opens 2 linked accounts at an international bank like HSBC > (former Midland Bank in the UK) with branches throughout the world. > 2) David makes known to purchasers of OvPro details of the name, sort c= ode > and number of account_1 so that wherever they are in the world they can > pay in money to that account. > 3) To avoid fraud, account_1 can be paid into by anyone but money canno= t > be withdrawn from it but only transferred into linked account_2 of whic= h > only David holds the details. > 4) Customers in the UK pay at their local bank the cost of the upgrade > into account_1 and then inform David by post or email. Overseas custome= rs > will need to do a little more to ensure that David receives the total > amount in UKpounds ie they will need to bear the cost of the exchange r= ate > and any bank charges (although if they pay into a branch of the same > international bank that David's account is with, these should be minima= l).=20 >=20 > This will make a little more work for the customer but would ensure tha= t > David got all the money and save him the time needed for paying in cheq= ues > etc. >=20 > It would also stop the possibility of cheques to David being diverted i= n > the post. According to the latest edition of Which, the interception by > thieves of cheques sent by post (particularly where the reipient addres= s > regularly receives them) and then opening bogus accounts to pay them in= to > is on the increase. The reccommendation is now to write the number of t= he > recipients account next to their name on the cheque to increase the > likelyhood of bank staff noticing hat fraud is being attempted. >=20 > Alan >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- > |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk > | | |\ | | | | |\| | | =20 > | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:58:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109646 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:58:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942236148:20:14636:19; Wed, 10 Nov 99 12:15:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105438; 10 Nov 99 12:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13363 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:45:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13357 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:45:33 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lWBO-000FgN-0C for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: <6HA3ZJAoqVK4Ewfm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:44:40 +0000 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Style Palette MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thank you, Nick for releasing the update to the Style Palette. Nice to have the tick back. Co-incidentally, I have just stumbled over a problem with this applet (for which I originally blamed David, but, on reflection, that was probably unfair :). When two views are open on a document, the style palette appears to be always associated with the second view, rather than the one containing the caret. This evidences itself by trying to change a style's tabs from a right-click on the style palette. The ruler is shown on the last opened view, and this view is scrolled to the caret position in the original view. Can you fix that, Nick? Also, Nick, have you had any feedback from ROSL regarding fixing the Postscript diver bug where bitmaps were wrongly encoded? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:58:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109648 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:58:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942238748:20:23349:43; Wed, 10 Nov 99 12:59:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023498; 10 Nov 99 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13482 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:19:41 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13477 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:19:39 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25043 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:19:00 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15046 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:18:59 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: double double trouble Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000101bf2b75$bacd7be0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > On Tue 09 Nov, Dave wrote: > > > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. > > Totally brilliant. Any advance on that? Impressive indeed. By extension, one could write Bill, as John had had "had had had", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, both would have passed. or assuming that John isn't very good at English: Bill, whereas John had had "had [repeat ad infinitum]", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. However, it's not much to do with Ovation Pro any more, so perhaps we should let this thread quietly die away, or take it to sci.math.recursion instead... TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:58:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109649 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942235277:10:00505:66; Wed, 10 Nov 99 12:01:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114834; 10 Nov 99 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13252 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:23:38 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13247 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:23:34 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2344.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.174]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16282 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:22:53 +0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: double double trouble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Nov, Dave wrote: > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. Totally brilliant. Any advance on that? -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:59:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109673 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:59:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942244241:10:15664:17; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:30:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125955; 10 Nov 99 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13877 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:39:29 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13871 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:39:27 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28926 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:47 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24842 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:46 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Style Palette Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000301bf2b80$df8496c0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <6HA3ZJAoqVK4Ewfm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony wrote: >Co-incidentally, I have just stumbled over a problem with this applet >(for which I originally blamed David, but, on reflection, that was >probably unfair :). Dunno - may be fair - depends on whether he wrote it originally... > When two views are open on a document, the style palette appears to be > always associated with the second view, rather than the one containing > the caret. This evidences itself by trying to change a style's tabs from > a right-click on the style palette. The ruler is shown on the last > opened view, and this view is scrolled to the caret position in the > original view. > > Can you fix that, Nick? Err, I can certainly have a look when I get back home tonight. If anyone else can spot an instant fix in the interim and post it to the list though, I shan't complain. > Also, Nick, have you had any feedback from ROSL regarding fixing the > Postscript diver bug where bitmaps were wrongly encoded? Yes and no. It appears that the driver outputs PS which is correct as far as the Red Book (the PS bible) is concerned. However, some PS interpreters and RIPs don't always like it. Investigations continue, and I'll post any further news as it happens. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:59:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109674 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942245609:10:29971:52; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:53:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029769; 10 Nov 99 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14072 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:17:32 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14067 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:17:29 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id PAA00400 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:16:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11lZYO-000JKkC; Wed, 10 Nov 99 16:20 MET Message-ID: <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:18:11 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ctrl-V produces error message References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently had a good long look at the applets for Ovation and have since dragged about 25 of them into the Applets directory. In the last few days I have noticed a rather strange effect which may have something to do with one of those applets - has anyone encountered this and found a solution? -Ctrl-X worked only on frames, no longer on selected text; the corresponding menu entry didn't work either; a small key macro fixed that - well, cured the syptom, I should say. -Re-inserting text with Ctrl-V works ok, but is followed immediately by an error message which reads "Document cannot be saved while master page window is open". Help, please? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 18:02:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109695 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:02:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942250611:10:23686:52; Wed, 10 Nov 99 16:16:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023451; 10 Nov 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14410 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14405 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:30 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11la6B-000CMX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:11:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. > > Created a rectangular frame > > Selected Object...Shape. > > Selected Regular polygon 3 sides > > Triangle was inverted so > > Selected Regular polygon -3 sides > > Type=5 and quits > > The above is repeatable here. > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Good point, Ray, one which I meant to raise. Sure you can rotate the frame, but then any text in it or subsequently written in is also rotated, so that it is not possible to get text in a triangle where the point is at the top and the text is not rotated. I think there might be an issue here for some other shapes too. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 18:02:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109697 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:02:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942251496:10:02943:37; Wed, 10 Nov 99 16:31:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109121; 10 Nov 99 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14415 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14403 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:25 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11la61-000CMX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:17:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109470@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >Selected Regular polygon -3 sides > >Type=5 and quits > > Ooops, I'll fix that. > > >BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > > Enable grid, draw it by hand... > Not having to draw shapes by hand was one of the nice things about OPro, and if I recall correctly, something absent form QuarkXpress. But yes this solution works for what I wanted to do with the text. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:01:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109731 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:00:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942259670:20:06099:29; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110009; 10 Nov 99 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14895 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:08:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14890 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:08:43 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.214) [62.188.136.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lcA3-0003Ds-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:08:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:50:22 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 9 Nov 1999 (17:24:47 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > I can't reproduce your type5 Ray; (method snipped). But for the triangle, how about: Make a normal frame. Make it into a regular polygon: Object->Shape->Regular polygon sides 4 Edit this frame to have three sides (point on top) using the usual edit tool; drag in the two top points and then delete the remaining very short top path. Using the grid, check that the triangle is symmetrical. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? 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Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:01:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109733 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:01:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942259884:20:08880:17; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:51:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008718; 10 Nov 99 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15076 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15071 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:40 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.99) [193.149.78.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lcaD-0003sd-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:20:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Ctrl-V produces error message Message-ID: <495ee51963davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38297EA3.4046@hman User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>, J. Konietzko wrote: > I have recently had a good long look at the applets for Ovation and have > since dragged about 25 of them into the Applets directory. > In the last few days I have noticed a rather strange effect which may > have something to do with one of those applets - has anyone encountered > this and found a solution? > -Ctrl-X worked only on frames, no longer on selected text; the > corresponding menu entry didn't work either; a small key macro fixed > that - well, cured the syptom, I should say. > -Re-inserting text with Ctrl-V works ok, but is followed immediately by > an error message which reads "Document cannot be saved while master page > window is open". > Help, please? > Cheers, > Jochen K. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message A combination of IdxPro and !!!!!bm seems to disable Ctrl-X (I never did trace that bug...) David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:01:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109734 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:01:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942260019:20:10104:68; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:53:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116782; 10 Nov 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14973 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14968 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:32 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lcQO-0004Qm-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:24:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:42:21 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ctrl-V produces error message Message-ID: References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38297EA3.4046@hman In-Reply-To: <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta2 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> "J. Konietzko" wrote: > I have recently had a good long look at the applets for Ovation and > have since dragged about 25 of them into the Applets directory. In > the last few days I have noticed a rather strange effect which may > have something to do with one of those applets - has anyone > encountered this and found a solution? >-Ctrl-X worked only on frames, no longer on selected text; the >corresponding menu entry didn't work either; a small key macro fixed >that - well, cured the syptom, I should say. Ctrl-x worked for both frames and selected text. >-Re-inserting text with Ctrl-V works ok, but is followed immediately >by an error message which reads "Document cannot be saved while >master page window is open". Help, please? Ctrl-v worked without the error message. I've got 45 applets (not all loaded at once!) but can't replicate the problem with any of them. OP 2.55, RiscOS 3.5 -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:19:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109740 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:19:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942260886:20:22494:22; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:08:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104180; 10 Nov 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15098 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15093 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lcb2-000Lzd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:06:39 GMT Message-Id: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not having to draw shapes by hand was one of the nice things >about OPro, and if I recall correctly, something absent >form QuarkXpress. But yes this solution works for what >I wanted to do with the text. So do you have any ideas for fixing it? I suppose offer 'point up/point down' as an option. Or the path editor could let you rotate selected points. Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on offer? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:19:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109743 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:19:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942260971:10:18497:53; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:09:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018528; 10 Nov 99 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15215 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:54:13 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15209 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:54:11 GMT Received: from modem-81.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.43.209] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lcs5-0002dx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01bf2bac$e2698a40$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Style Palette Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:53:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony wrote: >Thank you, Nick for releasing the update to the Style Palette. Nice to >have the tick back. > >Co-incidentally, I have just stumbled over a problem with this applet [snip] >Can you fix that, Nick? 'T'is done. StylePal v1.04 is now available for download from http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/ Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 21:46:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109765 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 21:45:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942267300:20:15996:18; Wed, 10 Nov 99 20:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015682; 10 Nov 99 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15671 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:58:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15666 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:58:52 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.120) [62.188.133.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ldsi-0005uW-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:58:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:24:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: due reward for work on OP Message-ID: <495eda67bealan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Nov, Michael Talibard wrote: > Some of us seem to think David should get money from us > around now; he doesn't. What is to stop us just sending it? > -- > Michael Talibard Agreed. But send it as a Christmas present with a card because he is such a good bloke NOT with any mention of OvPro or the work he has done on upgrades etc, otherwise the tax man will take his cut. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 23:13:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109802 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 23:13:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942274002:20:19181:18; Wed, 10 Nov 99 22:46:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019127; 10 Nov 99 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16131 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:31:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16126 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:31:05 GMT Received: from (62.188.1.44) [62.188.1.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lgFz-0001BJ-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:30:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #280 Message-ID: <495efba31bcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199911101112.LAA13197@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199911101112.LAA13197@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 10 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Nah... for me Credit card is much easier, even with a surcharge..... > I am afraid so, since installing my machine I have taken half my income by CCards. It is the way things are going - how many of you pay for petrol by cheque ? I also agree that David deserves to be paid for the work he does, I also know how he feels - we all in the end must respect his wishes. OvnPro is quick, easy and very useable, what we need is an Ovnpro to Quark conversion (sorry David). Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 23:13:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109801 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 23:13:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942274301:10:06270:31; Wed, 10 Nov 99 22:51:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109398; 10 Nov 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16188 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16183 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:49 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.117) [194.69.99.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lgJZ-0001OM-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:56:49 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495EEDE29D%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Muscat wrote: > On Tue 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > [...] Sure you can rotate the frame, but then any text in it or > subsequently written in is also rotated, so that it is not possible to get > text in a triangle where the point is at the top and the text is not > rotated. I think there might be an issue here for some other shapes too. There is a way round this, but it's messy. You can rotate the text back, but you will have to spell words backwards & alignment is reversed. -- Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:42 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.117) [194.69.99.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lgJU-0001OM-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:52:59 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <495EED8892%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Oliver wrote: > On Tue 09 Nov, Dave wrote: > > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. > Totally brilliant. Any advance on that? Personally, I had had enough several posts ago. ;-) -- I'd love to, but I'm trying to cut down. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:15:31 GMT Received: from modem-26.levothyroxine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.76.26] helo=orchard-way) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lgVx-00026K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:46:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:14:16 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <3bf6ff5e49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > It would also stop the possibility of cheques to David being diverted in > the post. According to the latest edition of Which, the interception by > thieves of cheques sent by post (particularly where the reipient address > regularly receives them) and then opening bogus accounts to pay them into > is on the increase. The reccommendation is now to write the number of the > recipients account next to their name on the cheque to increase the > likelyhood of bank staff noticing hat fraud is being attempted. > > Alan > Judging by the fraud attempted against a friend of mine, nothing written on the cheque would be a protection. The cheque was stolen, the ink bleached out for the payee and part of the amount, 2000 added to the amount, and the cheque paid in to a London building society to open a new account. It was only detected when the fraudster attempted to withdraw the whole amount at once. Once the cheque was examined, the fraud was obvious, but it was accepted by the building society. Once it was pointed out to the originating bank it was sorted out, being so obvious. I suppose writing cheques in felt marker might work, ensuring the ink soaked right through the paper... -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 01:27:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109830 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:27:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942283519:10:10546:32; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116050; 11 Nov 99 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16800 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16795 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:28 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11liRk-0009me-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:50:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:50:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495EEDE29D%mik@xemik.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > In message > Alan Muscat wrote: > > On Tue 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > > [...] Sure you can rotate the frame, but then any text in it or > > subsequently written in is also rotated, so that it is not possible to get > > text in a triangle where the point is at the top and the text is not > > rotated. I think there might be an issue here for some other shapes too. > There is a way round this, but it's messy. You can rotate the text back, but > you will have to spell words backwards & alignment is reversed. Not ideal! :) -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 01:28:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109833 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:28:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942282686:20:20058:28; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:11:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128722; 11 Nov 99 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16808 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16803 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:46 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11liS7-0009me-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:46:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 10 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >Not having to draw shapes by hand was one of the nice things > >about OPro, and if I recall correctly, something absent > >form QuarkXpress. But yes this solution works for what > >I wanted to do with the text. > > So do you have any ideas for fixing it? > > I suppose offer 'point up/point down' as an option. > > Or the path editor could let you rotate selected points. > > Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on offer? There's no stopping this man! Well I don't want to make out that it is terribly important. I can hardly claim to be using triangles with text a great deal, but if adding the change was not a lot of work then perhaps as you suggest or maybe a place to specify an angle. You asked for other suggestions. Well I feel more needs to be done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. I don't know if others have used this feature often, but it is in fashion and I have used it a lot and find it is easy to actually lose text (especially if rotating the frame). The other real disappointment with frames with rounded corners is the fact that you can no longer vertically align the text within the frame. So for example let's say I want to have a title in a narrow rectangle with rounded corners, the most common state of affairs would be to vertically centre the title in the frame, but curently this can only be achieved by setting a space above which is also affected by the corners and if you rotate the frame you will probably see the text disappear and have trouble getting it back. I have had to resort to creating these shapes in a drawing program, importing and grouping with the text just so that I could rotate them without losing the text. This is a shame when it's something OPro is meant to be able to do. I wonder if this shape could be achieved using the alter shape dialogue, perhaps produce a perfect lozenger shape for example into which text could be typed, vertically aligned, and not lost when rotated. Now that's what you get for asking! ;) Alan -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:36:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109856 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:36:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942288758:20:28830:69; Thu, 11 Nov 99 02:52:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125707; 11 Nov 99 2:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17343 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:38:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17338 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:38:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lk4l-000ItY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:35:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 02:26:30 GMT Message-Id: <109850@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: 3 quarks for muster woolf X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OvnPro is quick, easy and very useable, what we need is an Ovnpro >to Quark conversion (sorry David). Anyone heard about a new Quark project - Troika? Where I read it, this collection of three new programs was simply presented as allowing quark to load PDF files (really all PDF?) and allowing quark documents to be saved as XML (really with no compromises?). Anyway if it did load PDF you would be able to export from RISC OS to it in that format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:36:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109858 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942289087:20:02890:109; Thu, 11 Nov 99 02:58:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002832; 11 Nov 99 2:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17218 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:10:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17213 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:10:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ljfy-0000uO-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:09:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:56:22 GMT Message-Id: <109842@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >as you suggest or maybe a place to specify an angle. Yes an angle would be the solution. >done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method >for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. Basically this is the fragility of the code for flowing around irregular shapes yet again. Round cornered frames throwing up some odd cases. Put it this way I couldn't work on the code and just fix round cornered frames. I could work on the code and fix everything including round corners. >other real disappointment with frames with rounded corners >is the fact that you can no longer vertically align the text >within the frame. The problem is that although it looks 'obvious' and you could do it by eye, in reality these things present problems, you can't calculate the text flow, it has to be calculated tried and then recalculated (possibly many times) - because the line width will depend on the position of the line, and the position is going to vary with the vertical justification. I suspect what might do, is a rectangular text enclosing inset curve, inside a round cornered frame. Do you actually want or expect to see the round corners shape the text? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:37:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109876 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:36:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942314406:10:06009:19; Thu, 11 Nov 99 10:00:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005973; 11 Nov 99 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18223 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:06 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18218 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:04 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust81.tnt7.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.247.81] with SMTP for id KAA26716 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:33:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003801bf2c28$0822de00$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:34:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro November 10, 1999 8:58 AM, Alan P Dawes wrote: >4) Customers in the UK pay at their local bank the cost of the upgrade >into account_1 and then inform David by post or email. Overseas customers >will need to do a little more to ensure that David receives the total >amount in UKpounds ie they will need to bear the cost of the exchange rate >and any bank charges (although if they pay into a branch of the same >international bank that David's account is with, these should be minimal). Bank charges in the Netherlands to a not Euro-country are minimal NLG 15 for each bank involved plus the cost of the exchange rate. Average the costs will be about 10 UKP and higher. I don't expect to buy a lot stuff more expensive than 200 UKP. Credit card facility plus 5 percent would be a blessing, at least for me. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:37:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109888 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:37:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942319471:20:04294:34; Thu, 11 Nov 99 11:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128400; 11 Nov 99 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18456 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:05:55 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18451 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:05:53 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-5-235.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.235]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82A327B1E0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:05:05 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:44:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495f39a0e1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > You asked for other suggestions. Well I feel more needs to be > done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method > for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. (duplicate frame, fill duplicate black, offset, bring original to front) I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round corners - only the basic straight line ones. Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in Ovation Pro? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 18:32:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109938 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 18:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942341804:10:18959:41; Thu, 11 Nov 99 17:36:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018892; 11 Nov 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19272 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:03:41 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19267 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:03:38 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31145 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:02:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199911111702.SAA31145@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:47:35 GMT Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on offer? > To me the actual problem was that sometimes one would like to rotate a frame/shape whitout rotating its contents, because in contrast to graphics the baselines of text cannot accoomodate. With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 19:26:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109975 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:26:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942348314:20:18668:21; Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:25:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018547; 11 Nov 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19579 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:51:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19574 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:51:39 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.99) [62.188.131.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lzIz-0000UF-00; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:50:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495f5dca81richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA19575 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB19579 In article <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>, Alan P Dawes wrote: > What are the flaws in the following ideas, which are based on > discussions I had with my bank manager last year when I was executor of > a will, about the cheapest way of transferring money to one of the > recipients who was moving around in various countries. details snipped.. Small amounts paid via the bank are a pain for the recipient! We get such payments, and we often have to guess who they are from! Credit card is far far easier at this end: since we initiate the transaction, we KNOW what it's for and who is paying it! So the paperwork is all computerised anyway. Then there are bank charges on top: very small amounts don't attract a charge but for payments of any size, there's a =A36 charge! --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 20:00:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109977 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 20:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942348535:10:15807:20; Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:28:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103496; 11 Nov 99 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19668 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:14:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19663 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:14:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lzen-000P5P-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:13:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 18:36:57 GMT Message-Id: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with >round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. >I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round >corners - only the basic straight line ones. Well actually wrapping draw borders/shadows around arbitrary shapes is not on. I suppose I could easily enable them on round cornered frames though. >Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in >Ovation Pro? The program as it is now understands some of the oddities of Vector files. Three years back I put quite a bit of effort into more Vector support. But the owners of Vector didn't want to grant permission - end of story. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 21:31:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109993 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 21:30:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942353966:20:21689:47; Thu, 11 Nov 99 20:59:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108422; 11 Nov 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19901 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:31:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19895 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:31:31 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.193) [62.188.134.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11m0rd-0003Ff-00; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:30:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:23:20 +0100 Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495f00caabdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > Cheers, > Ray D Change to path mode and move the point leaing the other two static David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 22:29:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110003 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 22:29:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942358231:10:26099:20; Thu, 11 Nov 99 22:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025669; 11 Nov 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20206 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:31:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20199 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:31:29 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.12) [62.188.133.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11m1nf-0004kV-00; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:30:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Landbank) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:30:00 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Bold Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I posted this note in sept, things have now become desperate if anyone can help I would be happy to offer payment for a quick solution. Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. This is a book of 70 pages and about a thousand sentences to turn bold. So as you can see a quick way to select the first sentence in each paragraph and turn it bold will be a great help. -- ___ _____ .---------------------------------. | | | | ___| |Britains most comprehensive land | | | |____ | |__ :sourcing system 0118-9626022 : | | | __ | |__ | ---------------------------------- | |____ ||__|| ___| | info@landbank.co.uk |______| |____| |____| www.landbank.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 01:46:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110016 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 01:46:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942367867:20:26626:18; Fri, 12 Nov 99 00:51:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123951; 12 Nov 99 0:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20745 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:36:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20740 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:36:43 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.84.6] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11m4gu-0000z0-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:35:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:28:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495f7f9b5erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with > >round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. > >I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round > >corners - only the basic straight line ones. > Well actually wrapping draw borders/shadows around arbitrary shapes is > not on. I suppose I could easily enable them on round cornered frames > though. That at least would be a great help. > >Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in > >Ovation Pro? > The program as it is now understands some of the oddities of Vector > files. But if I drop a Vector file into OP it rejects it completely. This is with 2.55. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 01:47:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110018 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 01:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942363593:10:06543:21; Thu, 11 Nov 99 23:39:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122644; 11 Nov 99 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20573 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:25:16 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20568 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:25:14 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20575 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:22:33 GMT Received: from modem-120.erythromycin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.248] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11m3Zj-0007VE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:24:19 +0000 Message-ID: <007701bf2bfa$5b8abaa0$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Style Palette 1.05 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:08:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is now available for download from http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/ It now uses + signs instead of crosses when multiple styles apply (in both RO3 and 4), which is perhaps a touch more logical. Thanks to Roger Noble for spotting that I'd made the crosses vanish in RO4 :-/ Share and enjoy, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110039 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942376630:10:09682:18; Fri, 12 Nov 99 03:17:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115448; 12 Nov 99 3:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21142 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:02:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21137 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:02:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11m6xt-00031w-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:01:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 02:25:24 GMT Message-Id: <110037@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bold X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. A bit like; --------------------8<---------------------- Cut between the lines and save with type b24 void main(void) { int bm1; int c; bm1=bmcreate("xx1"); setbmtocaret(bm1); bmmove(bm1,1,7); setcarettobm(bm1); while(1) { c=bmchar(bm1); if(c=='.' || c<32) break; bmmove(bm1,1,0); } setzonetobm(bm1); seteffect(BOLD); setcarettobm(bm1); bmdelete(bm1); } ----------------------8<------------------- Double click to execute David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110042 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942386802:10:03158:21; Fri, 12 Nov 99 06:06:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002877; 12 Nov 99 6:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21602 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:51:49 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21597 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:51:47 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id GAA14156 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:50:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11lvNT-000JKlC; Thu, 11 Nov 99 15:39 MET Message-ID: <382AC659.4571@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:36:25 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Button size References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38297EA3.4046@hman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I started reading the messages in this forum well before my copy of Ovation Pro was delivered. I think that during that period I read something about the possibility to use bigger sprites for the button bar. Is this correct? If so, how do I go about getting a legible bar? I tried simply enlarging some of the existing sprites by adding white frames (using !Snippet), but they were then just shown at reduced size. I have pushed my 17" monitor to its limits resolution-wise, and on my screen the buttons are really too small! Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110047 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942394551:10:09081:17; Fri, 12 Nov 99 08:15:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009070; 12 Nov 99 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21871 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:47:40 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21866 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:47:38 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-9-175.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.175]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 37B48DAF9A for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:46:36 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Effects & Rulers suggestions Message-ID: <495f51ea99Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One of the features that I like in Impression is the ability to spot and remove effects easily. I'd like to be able to remove individual effects. There are two possible ways of doing this. Either list each effect on the Style/Remove menu or have ticked items on the Text menu. By clicking on a ticked item the effect would be removed. This would require the Colour..., Format... and Tabs ... items to have submenus to avoid confusion. I also prefer the way that Impression handles rulers with interactive updating, automatic creation of effect rulers by moving the tabs and the tab palette. These are just ideas that struck me as I gradually change all my Impression documents to Ovation. No criticism intended. :-) Ian -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110048 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942377449:20:04102:36; Fri, 12 Nov 99 03:30:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114282; 12 Nov 99 3:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21149 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:02:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21144 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:02:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11m6xs-00031w-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:01:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 02:18:33 GMT Message-Id: <110035@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But if I drop a Vector file into OP it rejects it completely. This is >with 2.55. At this range I can't remember the details. The code which tells OPro to load Vector files is commented out. Presumeably there are Vector files, Vector files using special features, Draw files produced by Vector, and compressed Vector files. If you want to reinstate the loading of Vector files, issue this bit of script... impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); No promises as to whats left in and if it works or not. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110051 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942405248:10:16971:36; Fri, 12 Nov 99 11:14:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016810; 12 Nov 99 11:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22347 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:40:29 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22342 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:40:28 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-3-6.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.6]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D1FB7B45F for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 10:39:27 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:43:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495fbd7271rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110035@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110035@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <110035@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > If you want to reinstate the loading of Vector files, issue this bit of > script... > impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); Erm.. how do I do that? I tried saving out the above as an OvPScrpt file, but when I clicked on it I got a throwback error 1 Serious error Must be type Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:36:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110056 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:36:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942411052:10:22728:17; Fri, 12 Nov 99 12:50:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022555; 12 Nov 99 12:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22635 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:14:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22630 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:14:33 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.188) [62.188.133.188] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11mFa7-0004BX-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:13:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:08:16 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 9 Nov 1999 (18:27:30 +0000), dfs@ukgateway.net wrote: > In article <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk>, > Ray Dawson wrote: > > >[snip} > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > Hi Ray, > Go to the Modify frame dialogue and put 180 in the Angle box. > Hey presto. > NBG, this inverts the text. See my earlier posting: you can modify a square, or as David P says, draw one yourself. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:36:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110061 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:36:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942395330:20:24106:25; Fri, 12 Nov 99 08:28:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024073; 12 Nov 99 8:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21951 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:14:34 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21946 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:14:32 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11mBpt-0006pA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:13:33 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:08:02 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495f5dca81richard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAA21947 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB21951 In on Thu 11 Nov, Richard Torrens wrote: > Small amounts paid via the bank are a pain for the recipient! We get su= ch > payments, and we often have to guess who they are from! >=20 > Credit card is far far easier at this end: since we initiate the > transaction, we KNOW what it's for and who is paying it! So the paperwo= rk > is all computerised anyway. >=20 > Then there are bank charges on top: very small amounts don't attract a > charge but for payments of any size, there's a =A36 charge! For transactions within the UK ? Then it is still true about lousy and expensive service by UK banks. This is ridiculous. Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:36:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110065 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:36:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942405453:20:15828:18; Fri, 12 Nov 99 11:17:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015791; 12 Nov 99 11:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22407 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:01:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA22402 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:01:52 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.59) [62.188.133.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11mERm-0002np-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 11:00:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:03:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495fb9c4a0richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with > >round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. > >I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round > >corners - only the basic straight line ones. > Well actually wrapping draw borders/shadows around arbitrary shapes is > not on. I suppose I could easily enable them on round cornered frames > though. > >Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in > >Ovation Pro? > The program as it is now understands some of the oddities of Vector > files. Three years back I put quite a bit of effort into more Vector > support. But the owners of Vector didn't want to grant permission - end > of story. I use !Vector exclusively: wish I'd known that earlier! There's Vector - and there's DrawPlus. Draw Plus is widely available and very similar to Vector, though missing some features. You'd surely get permission from Jonathan Marten to support DrawPlus? The things we use Vector for include all of our product drawings, circuit diagrams and even all of our PCB artwork! There are lots of examples on our www site. Personally, I think DP and JJM should get together! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:36:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110066 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:36:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942412788:20:00496:45; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:19:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000662; 12 Nov 99 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22710 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:34:30 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22705 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:34:27 GMT Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22110 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:33:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA22104 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 07:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:33:20 -0000 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3138@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 12:33:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, the recent upgrades look really worthwhile and I'm sure many of us will look forward to somehow rewarding this good work with some payment(s). Having recently changed machine/re-formatted HD etc, the upgrade path is looking complex (I think you mentioned you are working this). I took my 2.46 and refreshed the protection using the original floppy. Then I upgraded successively to 2.52 and used the !Runimage from this only to get my 2.52 working (the disk copy protection had objected to the change of disc). Then I upgraded successively to ... 2.54 etc, again only overwriting the locked-out !Runimage inside my working copy with a regenerated one. My beef with this is the disk usage to keep the intermediaries. Not that HD space is particularly limited, but the 95M Zip discs which I use to backup these areas are relatively limited and slow, you understand. Anyhow, I look forward to trying out the Borders. I believe I have special CC borders with a 'stretchable object' ?in front of the corner embellishment, which Impression used. Also I bought a disc with some 3-rd party Impression borders on a while back. I think you are saying these special borders are now usable on Ovation! please keep up the good work and thanks Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 03 November 1999 02:41 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on > 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > > Improvements include; > > * Support for Impression type Draw file frame borders > (a side effect of which is instant crop marks on any frame). > * The contents of picture frames can now be tiled > * Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the > > However the main event is that you can use the new EPS applet with it. > > The EPS applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. > It supports EPS and DCS files. > > OPI will wait until I find someone who actually uses it or wants to use > it. > So far everyone has a friend who knew someone who once used it... > > > This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and > both these are included in the archive. > > Full documentation for the new features is also included. > > It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. > > I am inclined to have a dig at those who have failed to read the > instructions > with previous upgrades - i.e. the !!ReadMe file. As far as I know all the > wailing and gnashing of teeth that has gone on could have been avoided by > reading this 150 word file. > > However to do so, would be to tempt fate... > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 17:56:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110093 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 17:56:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942427880:10:04910:18; Fri, 12 Nov 99 17:31:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112712; 12 Nov 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23425 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:13:46 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23419 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:13:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mKFZ-000KqM-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:12:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 17:08:24 GMT Message-Id: <110080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button size X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think that during that period I read something about the possibility >to use bigger sprites for the button bar. >Is this correct? If it is possible, it would involve editing the templates. The template for the button bar has two icons in it which are used as 'templates' for the buttons. Change those and the real buttons should change in sympathy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 17:56:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110092 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 17:56:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942428574:20:17809:20; Fri, 12 Nov 99 17:42:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017263; 12 Nov 99 17:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23420 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:13:44 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23413 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:13:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mKFT-000KqM-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:12:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 17:04:17 GMT Message-Id: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); >Erm.. how do I do that? One of two ways. Turn it into a macro body by sticking it in { } 's so; {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} Or plan B, make it into a script file thus; -------------8<----------------- void main(void) { impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); } ------------8<------------------ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 18:46:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110101 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 18:46:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942431965:20:05821:34; Fri, 12 Nov 99 18:39:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128438; 12 Nov 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23620 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:10:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23615 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:10:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.162) [193.149.72.162] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11mL8n-0003hA-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:09:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Willington To: ovationpro Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:16:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Pause print Message-ID: <495fbae3f0djw@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Since going to v2.55 I find that pamphlet printing does not pause between front and rear sides even with "pause" still selected. What have I done wrong? Dave W. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 20:46:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110108 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:46:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942433534:20:24856:19; Fri, 12 Nov 99 19:05:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024838; 12 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23811 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:50:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23805 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:50:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mLla-0007qj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 18:49:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 18:47:08 GMT Message-Id: <110103@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Pause print X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Since going to v2.55 I find that pamphlet printing does not pause between >front and rear sides even with "pause" still selected. What have I done >wrong? Program choices -> Print deselect 'background' 2.55 overwrites your choices with new values. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 20:46:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110107 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:46:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942439454:10:10108:22; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:44:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010081; 12 Nov 99 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24203 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:07:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24194 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:07:55 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mMy6-0003Jh-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:06:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:17:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Pause print To: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <495fbae3f0djw@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I wonder if this is related to below: I was trying to print 2 copies of a sixteen page pamphlet and selected "Copies 2" and "Front" in the print window. All I got were blank sheets with the odd line of a page on some sheets. I gave up and did it via the Print sheet... dialogue. Decided it could be my setup but perhaps I was hasty? On Fri 12 Nov, Mr Willington wrote: > Since going to v2.55 I find that pamphlet printing does not pause between > front and rear sides even with "pause" still selected. What have I done > wrong? > Dave W. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 20:47:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110110 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:46:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942439455:10:10139:17; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:44:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105162; 12 Nov 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:07:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24186 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:07:54 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mMy4-0003Jh-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:06:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 19:32:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Macros to launch applets To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The recent exchange about macros for Vector files - reminder below: ***** >> impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); >Erm.. how do I do that? One of two ways. Turn it into a macro body by sticking it in { } 's so; {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} ******** reminded me of a suggestion I was going to put to Applet writers. Most of us cannot recognise what bits of programming do, we are just grateful that you do it. Even given the instructions above it is quite a struggle for us to implement them. In an Applet could writers add instructions in their Help files on what to put into the macro window so that it will launch the Applet. For example it took me an age to discover that {stylepal_entry(0, 0)} was all that was needed in the macro window, allocated to a button, to launch the style palette applet. Continued thanks to all you writers, your efforts are appreciated. -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 20:47:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110112 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:47:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942439446:20:09151:20; Fri, 12 Nov 99 20:44:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123544; 12 Nov 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24166 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:06:17 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24161 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:06:15 GMT Received: from modem-69.teacher.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.121.197] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11mMwX-00032u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:05:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:22:04 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Palettes Message-ID: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Is there any way of changing the default positon of the three a palettes on startup and whether they open or not? Having to close or move them every time I open a document is annoying. Also would David consider adding curvy corners to the drawing tools, similar to the curved corner rectangles in Artworks, This would be quite handy with both lines and boxes as doing it by hand is both long-winded and in-acurate. Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 13 01:38:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110124 for opro ; Sat, 13 Nov 99 01:38:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942446609:10:11003:17; Fri, 12 Nov 99 22:43:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110989; 12 Nov 99 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24733 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:29:14 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24728 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 22:29:12 GMT Received: (qmail 9040 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1999 22:28:04 -0000 Received: from userbf12.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.142.33) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 1999 22:28:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:55:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Pause print Message-ID: <49600061afdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <110103@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110103@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <110103@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Since going to v2.55 I find that pamphlet printing does not pause > >between front and rear sides even with "pause" still selected. What > >have I done wrong? > Program choices -> Print deselect 'background' > 2.55 overwrites your choices with new values. > David Pilling Oer! Naughty, naughty... some of us spend a lot of time tweaking configurations to get things as *we* want them, only to find this sort of thing happening. :-( I now wonder how many other configs in Ov Pro are messed up as I've already had to reset Clipboard and one or two others. Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 13 14:26:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110142 for opro ; Sat, 13 Nov 99 14:26:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942463549:20:13895:24; Sat, 13 Nov 99 03:25:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013778; 13 Nov 99 3:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25476 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:11:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25471 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:11:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mTZw-000P4h-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:10:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 99 01:55:17 GMT Message-Id: <110137@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palettes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way of changing the default positon of the three a palettes >on startup and whether they open or not? Having to close or move them every >time I open a document is annoying. Err all this has come up before (more than once). I belive there are flags you can twiddle inside the applets to set up the initial open/close state - someone described that last week. So a trip through the archives recommended... In the case of the style palette int stylepal_palette = 1; // <- open on start up int stylepal_centre = 1; // <- centre window, change to zero and it will // use the template file values >Also would David consider adding curvy corners to the drawing tools, similar >to the curved corner rectangles in Artworks, Obviously round cornered rectangles are already supported. I can see the attractions for allowing round corners in any old shape. Its doable, but probably not very high priority. Maybe one could have a tool in the path edit mode to round a selected corner... hmm. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 13 14:26:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110151 for opro ; Sat, 13 Nov 99 14:26:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942496227:20:25140:17; Sat, 13 Nov 99 12:30:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025127; 13 Nov 99 12:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26524 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:02:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26519 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:02:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.126) [193.149.80.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11mbrw-0003B5-00; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:01:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 10:23:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Effects & Rulers suggestions Message-ID: <496044e2easteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495f51ea99Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> References: <495f51ea99Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495f51ea99Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net>, Ian Hamilton wrote: > These are just ideas that struck me as I gradually change all my > Impression documents to Ovation. No criticism intended. :-) Oh yes there was, but then when it's constructive criticism that's got to be OK. :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 13 14:27:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110153 for opro ; Sat, 13 Nov 99 14:26:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942496337:20:26753:17; Sat, 13 Nov 99 12:32:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129116; 13 Nov 99 12:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26582 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:17:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA26577 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:17:30 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.246) [193.149.73.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11mc6J-0003Ou-00; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:16:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 11:14:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Printing Problems... Message-ID: <49604414a5davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <107792@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > Many on this list will probably know that I used that applet in the > latest issue of Acorn Publisher. In the document I sent to the Editor > the letter O's were not filled in in the middle, so somewhere it appears > that the applet went wrong. As it's a great applet, it would be useful > to investigate this problem. > -- > Alan Muscat > Grapevine Digital Arts > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk As I don't subscribe to Acorn Publisher I haven't seen this but if you're using !Newframe applet that I wrote then I would be interested in trying to resolve the issue. I must admit that recently I haven't done much work with OP applets but if people find them useful then I am very glad about that! David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 13 14:27:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110155 for opro ; Sat, 13 Nov 99 14:27:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942464315:10:07819:17; Sat, 13 Nov 99 03:38:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007764; 13 Nov 99 3:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA25470 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:11:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA25464 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:11:24 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mTZu-000P4h-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 03:10:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 99 01:53:15 GMT Message-Id: <110135@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Personally, I think DP and JJM should get together! JJM is not the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 13 14:27:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110159 for opro ; Sat, 13 Nov 99 14:27:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942484996:10:04645:20; Sat, 13 Nov 99 09:23:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122830; 13 Nov 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA26138 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:07:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26133 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:07:46 GMT Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11mZ8j-000Hzn-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 09:06:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:57:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Palettes Message-ID: <49603d00edian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mark Daniel wrote: > Hi, > Is there any way of changing the default positon of the three a palettes > on startup and whether they open or not? Having to close or move them > every time I open a document is annoying. Hi, Open each applet,open the library directory and load the OvPScrpt file into your favourite text editor. Near the top of the file you will find one of the following: int col_palette = 1; int style_pallette = 1; int pagepal_toolbox = 1; All you need to do is change the 1 to 0 and the palette will not be launched on startup. Hope that helps, Ian -- ____ __ _ _ __ _____ _ _ ____ _ _ (_ _) /__\ ( \( ) ( ) ( _ )( \/\/ )( _ \( \/ ) _)(_ /(__)\ ) ( )(__ )(_)( ) ( ) / \ / (____)(__)(__)(_)\_) (____)(_____)(__/\__)(_)\_) (__) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:07:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110209 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:07:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942518633:10:02761:17; Sat, 13 Nov 99 18:43:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110592; 13 Nov 99 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27370 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:15:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27365 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:15:36 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.185) [193.149.74.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11mhgo-0000Us-00; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 18:14:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Willington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 08:33:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Pause print Message-ID: <49603add76djw@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110103@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110103@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >Since going to v2.55 I find that pamphlet printing does not pause between > >front and rear sides even with "pause" still selected. What have I done > >wrong? > Program choices -> Print deselect 'background' > 2.55 overwrites your choices with new values. Thanks! OK now. Dave W. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:07:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110220 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:07:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942538404:20:01036:17; Sun, 14 Nov 99 00:13:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000748; 14 Nov 99 0:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27992 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:54:00 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27987 for ; Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:53:55 GMT Received: (qmail 3579 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1999 23:52:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO koalasoft.pnc.com.au) (203.57.115.220) by halibut.pnc.com.au with SMTP; 13 Nov 1999 23:52:25 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:17:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Jones Subject: Not printing graphics To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have been using OpRo 2.52 for some time now and generally it has been very stable and served me well but of late it has been behaving badly. It decides when it wants to print graphics, the text is ok. I have tried the following. -reloaded the graphic. -deleted the frame and re drawn that and reloaded the graphic into it. -changed the graphic from Draw to Sprite. sometimes they work but generally they don't. I produced a flyer for the Risc Station earlier this week and printed it out but today I go to print it and no graphics. The document (2 pages) has Jpegs x2, Sprites x2, Draw x2. I have moved them from front to back and all stages (2) in between. Upgraded to 2.55 and have the same problem. Constructed the same document in IP+ and works like a charm. Any ideas?? Kindest regards Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:13:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110232 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:13:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942583103:20:08350:17; Sun, 14 Nov 99 12:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113685; 14 Nov 99 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29167 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:07:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29162 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:07:33 GMT Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11myPx-0007TX-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:06:02 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:04:55 GMT Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:04:37 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Unwanted effects Message-ID: <5bffd16049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110135@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA29163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB29167 Dear all, I was typing in some text when some key I pressed introduced all new paragraphs with =B6 and new lines with CHR$164. I TRIED EVERYTHING TO REMOVE THEM, but in the end had to crash the progra= m Can anyone tell me what to do?? Thanks, --=20 | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| =20 |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk|=20 |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| = Good things come in small packages. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:13:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110233 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942586587:20:22447:18; Sun, 14 Nov 99 13:36:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111884; 14 Nov 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29387 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:21:49 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29382 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:21:44 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-2-121.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.121]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 583D57B04A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:20:15 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:56:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Unwanted effects Message-ID: <4960d6cae8ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5bffd16049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <110135@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5bffd16049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAA29383 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB29387 In article <5bffd16049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > Dear all, > I was typing in some text when some key I pressed introduced all new > paragraphs with =B6 and new lines with CHR$164. I TRIED EVERYTHING TO > REMOVE THEM, but in the end had to crash the program > Can anyone tell me what to do?? Yes, go to Menu...View...Options and turn off Invisibles. Or just do Ctrl-I which is what you did to turn them on. Cheers, Ray D --=20 ..=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:15:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110248 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:15:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942616382:20:14274:17; Sun, 14 Nov 99 21:53:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014201; 14 Nov 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA30556 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:24:55 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30551 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 21:24:53 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS5-p96.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.163.96]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10211 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:23:13 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <382F2855.9A1A2831@netvision.net.il> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 23:23:33 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Template idea References: <49603d00edian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I recently decided to organise my address book with the help of the computer. I set up a Fireworkz template for each letter of the alphabet with fields for Name, Address, etc, which then allowed me to perform a sort after all the names had been entered. The data was then exported to OvationPro as a text file, via a little text editing in Zap. What I then needed was a template in OvationPro which would take in the data and allow me to make any necessary modifications and 'tidying up' before printing. To make this work properly, I really needed to be able to see what the finished page would look like, although I would be printing it out onto FiloFax paper and so didn't want any of the field names (like Name, Address, etc) to be visible. The solution I came up with was quite simple, and may interest others: I set up a Master page with all the fields I required set to flow as required. The fields which were not to be printed were set up with a pale background colour and a bold and dark foreground colour, neither of which had any black in them when expressed as CYMK. I then set up the printer options to print only the black separation, which meant that none of the 'information' fields were printed. I also switched off all of the Printers Marks. The only problem I have is that a thin line which changes from black to grey, is printed under the page. As I am using FiloFax paper, it is not printed, but if I were using A4 paper it would be a problem. Were it not for this, if would be possible to use this technique wherever 'comment fields' were required, in any document which is to be printed in black and white only. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:16:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110257 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:16:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942628124:20:21772:17; Mon, 15 Nov 99 01:08:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021513; 15 Nov 99 1:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA31117 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:39:23 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA31112 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:39:21 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.105]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAD24940 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 00:46:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 02:53:36 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Pause print To: ovationpro In-Reply-To: <495fbae3f0djw@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 12 Nov, Mr Willington wrote: > Since going to v2.55 I find that pamphlet printing does not pause between > front and rear sides even with "pause" still selected. What have I done > wrong? > Dave W. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > The msx below should assist. Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:22:08 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Pause in printing? To: Ovation mail list On Wed 14 Oct, Steve White wrote: > Hello > Can anyone advise me as to why the 'pause' option in the printer dialogue > doesn't pause printing between pages? I want to turn the page to print on the > back, but it won't stop! Help! > It's not often I can help - I appreciate the advice I receive - but I 'think' I can here. I had the same problem and enclose below the help I received from David Pilling earlier in the year. Hope this helps! "Printing can be in one of two modes, either 'background' mode which is the new Acorn printer protocol. In that it is impossible to pause between pages, because you've got to print the whole print job between wimp polls. Or you can be in the old mode, which multitasks as it prints. See the printchoices() function in !OvnPro.Autorun.!Choices. If it is one you're in the new mode. Just to keep everyone awake I toggle the value of this variable from one version to the next 8-)" -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:16:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110267 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:16:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942658445:20:11896:23; Mon, 15 Nov 99 09:34:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123582; 15 Nov 99 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA32027 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:52:58 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA32022 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:52:56 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA01601 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:52:46 GMT Message-ID: <382FCA9E.1D7D039C@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 08:55:58 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF and EPS and PS References: <199909100811.JAA16683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <4960e9808crk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have had Riscript pro for 2 years. I have never got it to work. (a3010 4 megs 320meg HD). Iam saving upo for a RS7500 hope it works on that. Richard Partridge wrote: > > In article > , > m.m.ottens wrote: > > > In fact such an application already exists: Riscript Pro. Soon > > there will be a major upgrade to this package (before the October > > show). > > > Riscript Pro (3.5) reads PS, PDF, EPS(vantage). and converts to > > draw or PDF, So it is a sort of distiller for the acorn, like > > ghostscript, but better. the latest version is currently alpha, but > > if you convert normal postscript/pdf everything works fine. The > > program also converts fonts embedded in postscript-files to RISC > > OS outline fonts. > > > does a nice job and is faster then !pdf in pdf reading > > > Maarten Ottens > > I'm obviously a bit out of date with my copy of Riscript Pro, which I > find very useful. Any idea where one gets it upgraded? Uniqueway, who > sold it to me in the first place, didn't seem to know it had got as > far as v3.5, let alone that it was due a major upgrade. > > Thanks in advance, > > Richard Partridge. > > -- > rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:17:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110274 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:17:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942599413:10:17037:23; Sun, 14 Nov 99 17:10:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016987; 14 Nov 99 17:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA29798 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:33:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29793 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:33:56 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.38) [193.149.84.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11n2Zl-0006qw-00; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:32:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:21:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: PDF and EPS and PS Message-ID: <4960e9808crkpartridge@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <199909100811.JAA16683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , m.m.ottens wrote: > In fact such an application already exists: Riscript Pro. Soon > there will be a major upgrade to this package (before the October > show). > Riscript Pro (3.5) reads PS, PDF, EPS(vantage). and converts to > draw or PDF, So it is a sort of distiller for the acorn, like > ghostscript, but better. the latest version is currently alpha, but > if you convert normal postscript/pdf everything works fine. The > program also converts fonts embedded in postscript-files to RISC > OS outline fonts. > does a nice job and is faster then !pdf in pdf reading > Maarten Ottens I'm obviously a bit out of date with my copy of Riscript Pro, which I find very useful. Any idea where one gets it upgraded? Uniqueway, who sold it to me in the first place, didn't seem to know it had got as far as v3.5, let alone that it was due a major upgrade. Thanks in advance, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:17:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110279 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:17:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942675098:20:14902:17; Mon, 15 Nov 99 14:11:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013669; 15 Nov 99 14:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32571 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:46:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32566 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:46:32 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nMSl-00011y-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 13:46:31 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 14:40:46 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Can't open archive with SIT extension. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4960e9808crkpartridge@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I did receive a small file that has the file extension SIT. That must be a Stuffit archive from a Mac. I made it to an archive file on the RPC but can't open it with SparkFS although SparkFS has a Stuffit module. Any help how to get it open? It is off topic, I know. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:17:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110288 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:17:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942606307:10:06738:40; Sun, 14 Nov 99 19:05:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105371; 14 Nov 99 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30132 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:50:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30127 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:50:06 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.227) [62.188.144.227] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11n4hW-00022U-00; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:48:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:42:18 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Red underlines in spell-checking. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Did DP post an answer to this? Apologies, David, if you did and I missed it! Best wishes, Peter, -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:18:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110310 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:18:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942706360:20:25397:19; Mon, 15 Nov 99 22:52:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108212; 15 Nov 99 22:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01373 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:21:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01368 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:21:21 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nUV8-0009Xh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:21:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:38:10 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: Can't open archive with SIT extension. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000001bf2f7f$9db17cb0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 15 Nov, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > I did receive a small file that has the file extension SIT. > > That must be a Stuffit archive from a Mac. I made it to an archive file > > on the RPC but can't open it with SparkFS although SparkFS has a Stuffit > > module. Any help how to get it open? It is off topic, I know. > > It's not an RISC OS solution, but you can get an expander for StuffIt files > for Windows (if you have a PC/PC Card you can use...) from Aladdin. They > also do a Mac version, but I guess that's not an option ;-) > > http://www.aladdinsys.com/downloads/index.html > > I think that David will confirm that the licensing costs prohibit an update > to SparkFS that will read these newer format StuffIt files :-( > > Best of luck, > Nick Thank you. Needed it on a Wintel anyway. And it worked. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:19:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110346 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:19:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942742268:20:03925:29; Tue, 16 Nov 99 08:51:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004740; 16 Nov 99 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02639 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:18:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02634 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:18:52 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ndow-000Bwi-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:18:35 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:29:07 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 References: <007701bf2bfa$5b8abaa0$0200000a@wallace> In-Reply-To: <007701bf2bfa$5b8abaa0$0200000a@wallace> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <007701bf2bfa$5b8abaa0$0200000a@wallace>, Nick Kaijaks writes >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is now >available for download from Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:19:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110347 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:19:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942682433:10:00656:76; Mon, 15 Nov 99 16:13:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000641; 15 Nov 99 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00471 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:40:32 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00466 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:40:30 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10003 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:40:17 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07906 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:40:15 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Can't open archive with SIT extension. Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:39:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000001bf2f7f$9db17cb0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I did receive a small file that has the file extension SIT. > That must be a Stuffit archive from a Mac. I made it to an archive file > on the RPC but can't open it with SparkFS although SparkFS has a Stuffit > module. Any help how to get it open? It is off topic, I know. It's not an RISC OS solution, but you can get an expander for StuffIt files for Windows (if you have a PC/PC Card you can use...) from Aladdin. They also do a Mac version, but I guess that's not an option ;-) http://www.aladdinsys.com/downloads/index.html I think that David will confirm that the licensing costs prohibit an update to SparkFS that will read these newer format StuffIt files :-( Best of luck, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:20:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110378 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:20:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942709531:10:14676:18; Mon, 15 Nov 99 23:45:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014102; 15 Nov 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01639 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:20:24 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01634 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:20:18 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.205] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11nVPo-00010c-00; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:20:04 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:08:21 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:07:43 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 3 quarks for muster woolf Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <109850@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >OvnPro is quick, easy and very useable, what we need is an Ovnpro > >to Quark conversion (sorry David). > > Anyone heard about a new Quark project - Troika? > > Where I read it, this collection of three new programs was simply presented > as allowing quark to load PDF files (really all PDF?) and allowing quark > documents to be saved as XML (really with no compromises?). > > Anyway if it did load PDF you would be able to export from RISC OS to it > in that format. > I recall that PDF version 1.3 does have some way of tracking paragraphs but, by and large, the ability of programs to 'place' PDF files does not mean that you can edit them in any meaningful way. I very much doubt that Quark will be any better in this respect than Adobe's own programs, such as InDesign. In other words, I would be very sceptical of being able to import from OvPro to Quark via PDF other than as something close to placing an image of the page. Of course that maybe useful at times, but notmuch more use than eps. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 17:20:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110381 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:20:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942715171:10:18415:19; Tue, 16 Nov 99 01:19:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017945; 16 Nov 99 1:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01914 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:02:54 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA01908 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:02:44 GMT Received: (qmail 18913 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1999 01:02:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO koalasoft.pnc.com.au) (203.57.115.202) by halibut.pnc.com.au with SMTP; 16 Nov 1999 01:02:20 -0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:14:10 +1200 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Epson #60 Printers To: archive-on-line@argonet.co.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Kindest regards Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 20:30:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110421 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 20:30:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942775194:20:26396:100; Tue, 16 Nov 99 17:59:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013467; 16 Nov 99 17:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03708 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:37 GMT Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03703 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:33 GMT Received: from modem-21.mifepristone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.79.149] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11nm1Z-0001av-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:04:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:33:37 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palettes Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <110137@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) was let out long enough to write: > > >Is there any way of changing the default positon of the three a palettes > >on startup and whether they open or not? Having to close or move them every > >time I open a document is annoying. > > Err all this has come up before (more than once). I belive there are flags > you can twiddle inside the applets to set up the initial open/close > state - someone described that last week. So a trip through the archives > recommended... > > In the case of the style palette > > int stylepal_palette = 1; // <- open on start up > int stylepal_centre = 1; // <- centre window, change to zero > // and it will > // use the template file values > > Turning the centreing off and editing the templates worked great, thanks. > > >Also would David consider adding curvy corners to the drawing tools, similar > >to the curved corner rectangles in Artworks, > > Obviously round cornered rectangles are already supported. Sorry, am I missing something obvious? (usual status ;-) How are they supported? > I can see the attractions for allowing round corners in any old shape. > Its doable, but probably not very high priority. Maybe one could have a > tool in the path edit mode to round a selected corner... hmm. > That would be ideal. Thanks for the info, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Recent investments will yield a slight profit. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 22:32:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110453 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:32:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942786725:20:25713:42; Tue, 16 Nov 99 21:12:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108284; 16 Nov 99 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04247 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:55:54 GMT Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA04242 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:55:53 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.71.56]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991116205008.JGOO11683.mta3-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:50:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:43:37 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Rectangles with rounded corners To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > You asked for other suggestions. Well I feel more needs to be > done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method > for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. > I don't know if others have used this feature often, but it is > in fashion and I have used it a lot and find it is easy to > actually lose text (especially if rotating the frame). The > other real disappointment with frames with rounded corners > is the fact that you can no longer vertically align the text > within the frame. So for example let's say I want to have > a title in a narrow rectangle with rounded corners, the > most common state of affairs would be to vertically centre > the title in the frame, but curently this can only be achieved > by setting a space above which is also affected by the corners > and if you rotate the frame you will probably see the text disappear > and have trouble getting it back. > > I have had to resort to creating these shapes in a drawing > program, importing and grouping with the text just so that I could > rotate them without losing the text. This is a shame when > it's something OPro is meant to be able to do. > May I suggest that you use two frames, one with the rounded corners and one with the text in it on top of that. These two objects can be grouped and then rotated to your hearts content without losing the text. If the text frame breaks into the rounded corner frame the text frame can be made transparent. This seems to work ok. I often use one frame on top of another in this way so that dropout text can come right up to the edge of the tinted frame. Best wishes Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 22:33:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110460 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:33:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942791531:20:06582:17; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:32:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105910; 16 Nov 99 22:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04442 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:02:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04437 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:02:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.77) [193.149.83.77] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11nqg0-0003t5-00; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:02:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:21:56 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palettes Message-ID: <496201B4F4%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Mark Daniel wrote: > (David Pilling) was let out long enough to write: > > Obviously round cornered rectangles are already supported. > Sorry, am I missing something obvious? (usual status ;-) How are they > supported? You could use a drawfile border with rounded corners. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ The sooner you fall behind, the more time you will have to catch up. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 22:33:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110461 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:33:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942790702:10:12356:17; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127870; 16 Nov 99 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04449 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:02:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04444 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:02:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.77) [193.149.83.77] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11nqgA-0003t5-00; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:02:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:25:29 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: <496202085A%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Nick Kaijaks writes > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is now > >available for download from > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of something after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Why is a building not called a built? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 23:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110478 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942792406:10:05543:17; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:46:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128551; 16 Nov 99 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04536 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:17:36 GMT Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04531 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:17:35 GMT Received: from modem-8.selenium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.16.136] helo=beeston12) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11nquS-0005YA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:17:09 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:40:29 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RTF output? Message-ID: <9d6736249%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, I find the filter which enables me to transfer RTF files into OvationPro very useful. Is there any way that I can take a piece of my own word-processing on OvationPro and from it produce an RTF file to send to someone else? Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 23:25:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110482 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942792680:10:09042:28; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:51:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102764; 16 Nov 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04708 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04685 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nrBK-000IOu-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:34:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:07:11 GMT Message-Id: <110440@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palettes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Obviously round cornered rectangles are already supported. >Sorry, am I missing something obvious? (usual status ;-) How are they >supported? Create a frame. Open the Modify window. Notice the icon 'radius', enter something non-zero there and you get round corners. One of the best tricks you can do with Quark is to enter a -ve radius, but that doesn't work here... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 23:26:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110486 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:26:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942792692:20:24414:19; Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:51:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023572; 16 Nov 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04725 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04706 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nrBM-000IOu-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:34:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:15:15 GMT Message-Id: <110444@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Did DP post an answer to this? Apologies, David, if you did and I missed it! Not recently, because I didn't see the original question... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 23:26:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110487 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:26:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942793315:20:03904:17; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:01:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108201; 16 Nov 99 23:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04728 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04715 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nrBO-000IOu-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:34:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:21:26 GMT Message-Id: <110448@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not printing graphics X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have been using OpRo 2.52 for some time now and generally it has been >very stable and served me well but of late it has been behaving badly. >It decides when it wants to print graphics, the text is ok. The usual cause of problems with printing graphics, is that you've got the wrong version of the colour supplement loaded. e.g. 2.52 + ColSupp 1.00. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 23:26:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110489 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:26:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942793582:20:07797:26; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:06:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007716; 16 Nov 99 23:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04726 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04711 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nrBN-000IOu-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:34:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:19:42 GMT Message-Id: <110446@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Template idea X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The only problem I have is that a thin line which changes from >black to grey, is printed under the page. Where? Presumeably similar tricks can also be done with spot colours. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 16 23:26:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110490 for opro ; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942793590:20:07931:23; Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:06:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007789; 16 Nov 99 23:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04720 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04698 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:35:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nrBL-000IOu-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:34:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 22:10:28 GMT Message-Id: <110442@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Can't open archive with SIT extension. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think that David will confirm that the licensing costs prohibit an update >to SparkFS that will read these newer format StuffIt files :-( Yes. On one famous occasion I asked Aladin about it. A good rule of thumb, with these things e.g. scanner drivers, is that if no one in the Linux world or the PC world has a third party solution, then the information necessary is not available. Thats a bit defeatist because once in a while RISC OS is the only platform with support for something. I would expect SparkFS to open Stuffits, but I would not expect it to be able to decode the data in most recent ones. ...and I also think any Mac user who sends out Stuffits needs a good telling off 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 02:00:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110500 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 02:00:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942799431:10:04090:20; Wed, 17 Nov 99 00:43:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003882; 17 Nov 99 0:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05540 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:14:11 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05535 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:14:09 GMT Received: from modem-43.prednisone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.84.171] helo=theranks.freeserve.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11nsjG-0006PM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:13:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:14:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Rank Subject: Not enough memory to load dictionaries To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R "Not enough memory to load dictionaries" is the error message I get every time I try to use the spill - drat - spell checker. I suspect that this may have something to do with the Risc OS 4 upgrade (including new format new hard drive) last weekend, though everything else seems to work OK. After re-installing from 2.46 > 2.52 (which was the version I happily ran last week) and having this problem with dictionaries, I've upgraded again > 2.55, but still get the error. I also notice that O Pro seems now to be grabbing a lot of memory at times - but I get the above error message even when I have at least 16 meg free in this 33 meg machine, so I don't think that can be it. The !Run file (24/5/98) says, inter alia: WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K which I understand is correct... I'm quite prepared to be told I've overlooked something very basic, but I can't find any references to this problem in the recent postings. Can anyone help? Tom Rank -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.55, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 4 OPro@theranks.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 02:00:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110502 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 02:00:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942799710:20:07058:18; Wed, 17 Nov 99 00:48:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006680; 17 Nov 99 0:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05665 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:32:35 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05660 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:32:33 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-9-19.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.19]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 027B1DB21A for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:32:06 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:50:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <496202085A%mik@xemik.com> References: <496202085A%mik@xemik.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <496202085A%mik@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > In message Tony van der Hoff > wrote: > > Nick Kaijaks writes > > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is now > > >available for download from > > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! > Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of something > after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( Did you copy the two merge sprite files into the sprite files in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 03:12:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110527 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 03:12:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942804938:10:28351:21; Wed, 17 Nov 99 02:15:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028109; 17 Nov 99 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06174 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:54:26 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06167 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:54:24 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id CAA24884 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:53:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11nmgJ-000JKnC; Tue, 16 Nov 99 18:46 MET Message-ID: <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:35:59 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >> impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); > >Erm.. how do I do that? > > One of two ways. Turn it into a macro body by sticking it in { } 's so; > > {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} I don't seem to have much success following those expert hints. What I did was -create a button macro with the text {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} -click on the button -drop a !Vector file onto an Ovation Pro window Result: Error message Draw verify failed; code 118 at -53312334 (various numbers on successive attempts. What am I doing wrong? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 03:12:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110529 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 03:12:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942805468:10:05688:18; Wed, 17 Nov 99 02:24:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100120; 17 Nov 99 2:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA06171 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:54:25 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06162 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:54:22 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id CAA24881 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 02:53:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11nmbS-000JKnC; Tue, 16 Nov 99 18:41 MET Message-ID: <383194D2.3E7C@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:30:58 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button size References: <110080@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >I think that during that period I read something about the possibility > >to use bigger sprites for the button bar. > >Is this correct? > > If it is possible, it would involve editing the templates. > The template for the button bar has two icons in it which are > used as 'templates' for the buttons. Change those and the real > buttons should change in sympathy. > > David Pilling Is it indeed possible to edit the Templates? When I just tried to drop them into !TemplEd, all I got was an error message Template !'_LTQVCkVE[-]J[A^BG The template file from some other program worked ok. Any explanations? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 14:07:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110538 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 14:07:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942810250:20:03817:37; Wed, 17 Nov 99 03:44:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003529; 17 Nov 99 3:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06546 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:14:46 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06540 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:14:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nvXw-000OPY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:14:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 02:52:06 GMT Message-Id: <110522@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Not enough memory to load dictionaries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >"Not enough memory to load dictionaries" is the error message I get every >time I try to use the spill - drat - spell checker. I would be inclined to look at the dictionary files inside !Words.Dictionary see what the timestamps are. If they are recent, tuck that !Words away and install a new one off the master discs. The theory here is that a dictionary is corrupt. Double clicking on a !Words will make that copy current (because the next thing is going to be - which is the current copy of !Words?). You then need to reload OPro. Plan B would be to see if you can open the edit window on the dictionary, rather than trying to spell check with it. >I also notice that O Pro seems now to be grabbing a lot of memory at times - What times? When dictionaries are loaded maybe? >WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K dictionaries load into OPro Dynamic area slot - down at the bottom of the task manager window. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 14:07:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110539 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 14:07:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942810704:20:08500:22; Wed, 17 Nov 99 03:51:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120005; 17 Nov 99 3:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06598 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:18:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06593 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:18:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11nvbn-0008dU-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 03:18:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 03:13:17 GMT Message-Id: <110531@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button size X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it indeed possible to edit the Templates? >When I just tried to drop them into !TemplEd, all I got was an error >message > Template !'_LTQVCkVE[-]J[A^BG >The template file from some other program worked ok. >Any explanations? Oh yes... the German version of OPro has encrypted resource files (which you can't edit). The other version has ordinary template files. Ask Mr. Uffenkamp... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 14:08:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110547 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 14:08:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942841958:10:17607:17; Wed, 17 Nov 99 12:32:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016813; 17 Nov 99 12:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07685 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:11:12 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07680 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:11:08 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2431.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.221]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA11651 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:10:32 +0800 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:04:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: RTF output? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <9d6736249%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, and I seem to have missed something vital (my Ant has not been well since OS4 arrived). On Tue 16 Nov, Robin Phillips wrote: > I find the filter which enables me to transfer RTF files into OvationPro very > useful. So would I - whence came it? Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 14:16:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110552 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 14:16:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942846327:20:24411:17; Wed, 17 Nov 99 13:45:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024174; 17 Nov 99 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07832 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:08:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07827 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:08:47 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.206) [62.188.143.206] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11o3sj-0004Ah-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:08:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 12:03:45 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 16 Nov 1999 (22:15:15), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>Did DP post an answer to this? Apologies, David, if you did and I >missed it! > >Not recently, because I didn't see the original question... Sorry about that! There were two questions, in fact, one of mine and one of someone else's. There are two quirks in the red-underline facility, both annoying rather than really problematical. 1) If the second fragment of a correctly-spelled hyphenated word doesn't make up a word recognised by the spell-checker, this fragment gets red-underlined. 2) A word in the course of being typed gets red-underlined if the letters so far don't make a recognised word. Is it possible to make it wait till it reaches a word delimiter? The red underline is invaluable to one like me who is no good at speling or typign. :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 19:20:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110579 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:20:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942859917:10:26771:39; Wed, 17 Nov 99 17:31:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027007; 17 Nov 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08748 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:55:21 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08743 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:55:19 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11o8M0-0009pH-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:54:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:45:24 GMT From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: <02b8716249.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Hyphenation query X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been using hyphenation for the first time and have a query. There's an option in the hyphenation dialogue box that purports to allow/prevent the last word in a paragraph to be broken. However, whichever setting I have it on, the last words still break. How do I prevent this happening? This is on OP 2.55, RO4. TiA John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 19:20:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110584 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:20:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942863293:10:24684:303; Wed, 17 Nov 99 18:28:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118417; 17 Nov 99 18:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08877 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:27:49 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08872 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:27:47 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11o8rO-0004Ql-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:27:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:26:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Merging dictionaries Message-ID: <49627af60bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have at least three main dictionaries from various sources (one set from OPro, one from HTMLEdit, one from?). Anyway, a quick browse of these dictionaries shows that they are rather different in their contents, although, of course, many words are common to them all. The question arises, is there a simple way to merge the contents of dictionaries? I very probably should know this, but my mind is blank. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 19:20:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110587 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:20:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942865747:20:16781:18; Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:09:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103227; 17 Nov 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09169 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:40:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09164 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:40:38 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.154) [193.149.72.154] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11o9zr-0000IC-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:40:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:36:33 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <4962816340%mik@xemik.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 Subject: Repeated words X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA09165 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB09169 Status: R I have found the double word check quite useful but it appears to have a small quirk when the same word is separated by numbers. For example: "...for 1999. =A312 for the..." Reports 'for'. "...in 1890. In the..." Reports 'in' despite being at the start of a new paragraph. It is obviously not as major problem, but I wondered whether David was aw= are of this. BTW it would be helpful to have a button to delete the repeated word if n= ec'. Perhaps changing the 'Replace' button? --=20 Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ People who have no faults are terrible; there's no way of taking advantage of them. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 19:20:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110588 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:20:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942863590:10:28415:225; Wed, 17 Nov 99 18:33:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1107091; 17 Nov 99 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08340 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08335 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11o6ID-000Dsc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:42:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 14:24:15 GMT Message-Id: <110560@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There are two quirks in the red-underline facility, both annoying rather than >really problematical. Sorry I did read these two points. I just didn't associate them with you. >1) If the second fragment of a correctly-spelled hyphenated word doesn't make >up a word recognised by the spell-checker, this fragment gets red-underlined. That I thought to myself was worth fixing. >2) A word in the course of being typed gets red-underlined if the letters so >far don't make a recognised word. Is it possible to make it wait till it >reaches a word delimiter? And that sounded like more trouble than it was worth. I quite like the way the word is underlined until you get it right. It says to me "keep on typing you're not all the way there yet". This is a serious argument against this feature, do you really want to have to type a space or move the caret before you see if the current word is correct? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 20:05:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110611 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:05:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942868633:10:06130:68; Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:57:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100754; 17 Nov 99 19:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08333 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:19 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08328 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:43:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11o6IC-000Dsc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:42:40 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 14:23:34 GMT Message-Id: <110558@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF output? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> I find the filter which enables me to transfer RTF files into OvationPro very >> useful. >So would I - whence came it? On the original discs. Latest version on the web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 20:15:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110618 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:15:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942869373:20:28946:20; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:09:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117825; 17 Nov 99 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09433 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:30:11 GMT Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09427 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:30:09 GMT Received: from [195.102.198.204] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #4) id 11oAj8-0000ZA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:26:46 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:11:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 19:10:47 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. Message-ID: <8b85846249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110560@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >There are two quirks in the red-underline facility, both annoying rather than > >really problematical. > > Sorry I did read these two points. I just didn't associate them with you. > > > >1) If the second fragment of a correctly-spelled hyphenated word doesn't make > >up a word recognised by the spell-checker, this fragment gets red-underlined. > > That I thought to myself was worth fixing. > Oh good! I recall agreeing that this was an extremely annoying feature. I tend to scan finished pages for red lines as a final check for typos, but this feature means there is so much red ink on every page it is hardly worth the time. > > >2) A word in the course of being typed gets red-underlined if the letters so > >far don't make a recognised word. Is it possible to make it wait till it > >reaches a word delimiter? > > And that sounded like more trouble than it was worth. > > I quite like the way the word is underlined until you get it right. It says > to me "keep on typing you're not all the way there yet". This is a serious > argument against this feature, do you really want to have to type a space > or move the caret before you see if the current word is correct? > I agree. I have no problem with this feature. But then, I usually have the redlining switched off as I type. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 21:00:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110624 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 21:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942870238:10:24151:36; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:23:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1023540; 17 Nov 99 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09565 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:08:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09553 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:08:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oBMg-000Cfa-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:07:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:48:14 GMT Message-Id: <110605@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Dictionaries - a warning! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Seemingly, and I find this hard to believe... If you have the Beebug 2.52 upgrade then the !Words on that disc does not contain a !Maindict, instead it has a text file telling you to use the copy on your hard disc. Problem is you're usually only looking at the floppies because you've lost the hard disc copy of the program. So, if you're in the above position, it would be a good idea to take a copy of !Words and put it somewhere safe. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 21:00:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110625 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 21:00:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942871017:20:23909:19; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:36:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121240; 17 Nov 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09555 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:08:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09548 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:08:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oBMe-000Cfa-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:07:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:44:38 GMT Message-Id: <110603@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have at least three main dictionaries from various sources (one set >from OPro, one from HTMLEdit, one from?). Anyway, a quick browse of >these dictionaries shows that they are rather different in their >contents, although, of course, many words are common to them all. >The question arises, is there a simple way to merge the contents of >dictionaries? I very probably should know this, but my mind is blank What do you gain by merging them? OK, how to corrupt your main dictionary... Pick the one that you're going to merge the other two into. Then display those two in the Edit dictionary window, menu over it and save them as text files. Then dump those text files into the Edit window for the final dictionary. I wouldn't do it that way. I'd merge all 3 into one text file, and then use the command line 'sort' program (copy inside Peter Bonds index applet), with the flags set to get case in the right place a A b B etc. Then dump the sorted text file into a new Edit window. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 21:00:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110626 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 21:00:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942870370:10:26187:19; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:26:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026073; 17 Nov 99 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09567 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:08:22 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09560 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:08:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oBMh-000Cfa-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:07:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 19:54:06 GMT Message-Id: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repeated words X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have found the double word check quite useful but it appears to have a >small quirk when the same word is separated by numbers. Yes and it can happen with new lines. e.g. when the chapter title is the same as the first word of the text. I do see this as an area for improvement. >BTW it would be helpful to have a button to delete the repeated word if nec'. >Perhaps changing the 'Replace' button? Well maybe. The easy way is to hold down delete and then (when the word is gone) press return. I thought this feature was useful, trying it on some of my manuals and the OPro manual, found quite a few incorrect examples of repeated words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 17 21:00:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110628 for opro ; Wed, 17 Nov 99 21:00:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942871736:10:13915:101; Wed, 17 Nov 99 20:48:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013561; 17 Nov 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA09726 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:19:17 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09721 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:19:15 GMT Received: from modem-114.radon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.42.242] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oBXJ-0004uX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:18:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:13:20 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palettes Message-ID: <11437f6249%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110440@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) was let out long enough to write: > > > >> Obviously round cornered rectangles are already supported. > >Sorry, am I missing something obvious? (usual status ;-) How are they > >supported? > > Create a frame. Open the Modify window. Notice the icon 'radius', > enter something non-zero there and you get round corners. > Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed it before. > One of the best tricks you can do with Quark is to enter a -ve radius, > but that doesn't work here... > > > > David Pilling > Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Do not tell big lies. Small ones can be just as effective. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:37:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110637 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:37:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942873661:20:07041:19; Wed, 17 Nov 99 21:21:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006588; 17 Nov 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10100 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:05:03 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10085 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:05:01 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS1-p114.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.161.114]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA20102 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:04:20 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3833185D.C70731FD@netvision.net.il> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:04:29 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repeated words References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >I have found the double word check quite useful but it appears to have a > >small quirk when the same word is separated by numbers. > > Yes and it can happen with new lines. e.g. when the chapter title > is the same as the first word of the text. I do see this as an area > for improvement. > > >BTW it would be helpful to have a button to delete the repeated word if nec'. > >Perhaps changing the 'Replace' button? > > Well maybe. The easy way is to hold down delete and then (when the word is > gone) press return. .... but that leaves in an extra space, whereas a 'delete' button could be made to remove the space between the two words as well as the second word. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:37:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110639 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:37:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942877676:20:08993:17; Wed, 17 Nov 99 22:27:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008911; 17 Nov 99 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10444 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:11:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10439 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:11:49 GMT Received: from (194.69.105.148) [194.69.105.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oDIC-0006Jr-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:11:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:54:44 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: <4962830DA5%mik@xemik.com> References: <496202085A%mik@xemik.com> <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > Mik Towse wrote: > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > Nick Kaijaks writes > > > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is now > > > >available for download from > > > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! > > Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of something > > after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( > Did you copy the two merge sprite files into the sprite files in > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? The what? There's no mention of these in the Readme1st file, but there's an 'otick' sprite in the sprites22 file anyway. What I am getting is a character & not a sprite. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ All great ideas are controversial, or have been at one time. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:38:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110645 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942881389:10:15508:19; Wed, 17 Nov 99 23:29:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125405; 17 Nov 99 23:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10674 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:14:12 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10668 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:14:10 GMT Received: (qmail 15599 invoked from network); 17 Nov 1999 22:40:23 -0000 Received: from userl262.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.74.75) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Nov 1999 22:40:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>, J. Konietzko wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >> impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); > > >Erm.. how do I do that? > > > > One of two ways. Turn it into a macro body by sticking it in { } 's so; > > > > {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} > I don't seem to have much success following those expert hints. > What I did was > -create a button macro with the text {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} > -click on the button > -drop a !Vector file onto an Ovation Pro window > Result: Error message > Draw verify failed; code 118 at -53312334 > (various numbers on successive attempts. > What am I doing wrong? > Cheers, > Jochen K. That is interesting. I've just loaded a Vector file into OvPro without any problem, and it does contain multiple layers as well. Mind you, I did it the other way, creating a small script file that went into AutoRun. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:38:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110647 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:38:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942881405:10:15717:26; Wed, 17 Nov 99 23:30:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015762; 17 Nov 99 23:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10642 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:00:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA10637 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:00:15 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.38) [62.188.142.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oE34-0007ZX-00; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:59:34 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:31:32 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 17 Nov 1999 (14:24:15), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>There are two quirks in the red-underline facility, both annoying >rather than >>really problematical. > >>2) A word in the course of being typed gets red-underlined if the >letters so >>far don't make a recognised word. Is it possible to make it wait till >it >>reaches a word delimiter? > >And that sounded like more trouble than it was worth. > >I quite like the way the word is underlined until you get it right. It >says >to me "keep on typing you're not all the way there yet". This is a >serious argument against this feature, do you really want to have to >type a space >or move the caret before you see if the current word is correct? Point taken; I hadn't thought of it like that. Fixing the hyphenation problem would be welcome, though. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:38:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110650 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942882506:20:20078:17; Wed, 17 Nov 99 23:48:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019641; 17 Nov 99 23:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10776 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:20:13 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10771 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:20:12 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oEMO-00037t-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:19:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:08:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: More on shapes etc. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:38:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110654 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:38:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942881765:10:19832:18; Wed, 17 Nov 99 23:36:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101419; 17 Nov 99 23:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10782 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:20:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10777 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:20:15 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oEMN-00037t-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:19:31 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:12:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: More on shapes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Here goes again, as I think something went wrong with the last one. David, could you give us the option to round each corner individually on a frame using a radius, rather than having the all nothing scenario. This would make me very happy. :) -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 01:38:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110656 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:38:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942883324:10:07473:23; Thu, 18 Nov 99 00:02:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007122; 18 Nov 99 0:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA10861 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:33:46 GMT Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10854 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:33:44 GMT Received: from modem-18.neodymium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.29.146] helo=theranks.freeserve.co.uk) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oEZU-0001Lo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:33:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:27:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Rank Subject: Re: Not enough memory to load dictionaries To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <110522@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 17 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >"Not enough memory to load dictionaries" is the error message I get every > >time I try to use the spill - drat - spell checker. > > I would be inclined to look at the dictionary files inside !Words.Dictionary > see what the timestamps are. If they are recent, tuck that !Words away > and install a new one off the master discs. Bless you David - this sorted the problem straight away! Thanks for the very rapid response. Of course, I should have thought to have replaced those files myself, though the defective dictionary file(s) were actually slightly shorter than the versions that worked (but perhaps that was the problem!). Thanks - now I must explore the new features of 2.54 & 2.54. Tom Rank -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.55, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 4 OPro@theranks.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 02:57:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110680 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 02:57:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942893538:20:10657:22; Thu, 18 Nov 99 02:52:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117778; 18 Nov 99 2:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11584 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:35:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11577 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:35:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oHOD-0002UL-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:33:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:46:36 GMT Message-Id: <110661@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: More on shapes X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David, could you give us the option to round each corner individually >on a frame using a radius, rather than having the all nothing scenario. Thats not a bad idea. Not easy though, the 4 round cornered box is one of the fundamental objects in OPro. This made me think, well you can set up a 4 round cornered box, then use the shape box, set type polygon, and you then have a shape you can edit - and you have a good demo of one of your round cornered bugs... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110687 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942894180:20:17495:17; Thu, 18 Nov 99 03:03:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017458; 18 Nov 99 3:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11589 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:35:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11583 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:35:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oHP3-0002UL-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:34:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:54:51 GMT Message-Id: <110663@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've been using hyphenation for the first time and have a query. There's an >option in the hyphenation dialogue box that purports to allow/prevent the >last word in a paragraph to be broken. However, whichever setting I have it >on, the last words still break. Apparently the programmer never bothered to implement this feature. Oops. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110691 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942895555:20:02584:18; Thu, 18 Nov 99 03:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002532; 18 Nov 99 3:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11753 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:11:40 GMT Received: from odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (odo.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.252.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11748 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:11:36 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA02844 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:40:45 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19991118134007.009ec810@post.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@post.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:40:07 +1000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Starting on borders In-Reply-To: <110661@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Greetings, I'll put in a wishi list wish for David... Thrilled as I am with the new Drawfileborders, I'd appreciate even more the scheme used by '!Poster' for its drawfile borders -- on two counts: Though the drawing is more complex, a group of eight objects, it gives the option of having different corners or edges etc. (Like a square border with one rounded corner :-) The corners are used once but the edge elements are repeated as often as needed to fill the required space with minimum aspect distortion, rather then just being stretched. Has anyone else used them? liked them? want them? Regards, cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110692 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942923526:10:11981:39; Thu, 18 Nov 99 11:12:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012062; 18 Nov 99 11:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12885 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12876 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:03 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.75.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oOzB-0005ad-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:40:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:56:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Repeated words Message-ID: <4962a42d03ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW it would be helpful to have a button to delete the repeated word > >if nec'. Perhaps changing the 'Replace' button? > Well maybe. The easy way is to hold down delete and then (when the word > is gone) press return. Not quite - it leaves a double space where the deleted word was. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110693 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942895608:20:02954:22; Thu, 18 Nov 99 03:26:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104037; 18 Nov 99 3:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11700 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:59:37 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11695 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:59:36 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oHmg-0003vD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:58:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 02:48:48 GMT Message-Id: <110676@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Where to get film made X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Anyone know where it is possible to get SRA2 or SRB2 film made from Acorn originated files? I'm asking this on behalf of someone, so replies to the list where they can see them please. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110696 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942924217:10:19278:27; Thu, 18 Nov 99 11:23:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019319; 18 Nov 99 11:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12971 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:44:34 GMT Received: from mars.planet.net.au (mars.planet.net.au [203.15.90.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12966 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:44:29 GMT Received: from imagfact.starnet.com.au (du205-13.mel.planet.net.au [202.161.13.205]) by mars.planet.net.au (8.8.6/8.6.12) with Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:37:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Mal McClenaghan Subject: Re: RTF output? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: the image factory X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov, Mal McClenaghan wrote: > On Wed 17 Nov, Ian Oliver wrote: > > Greetings, and I seem to have missed something vital > > (my Ant has not been well since OS4 arrived). > > Symptoms please. Dr Acorn will attempt a long distance > diagnosis and treatment. Oops, that should have gone by e-mail :-^ Regards, Mal -- ____________________________________________________ Mal McClenaghan the image factory Tel: +61 3 9458 3599 PO Box 599, Fax: +61 3 9458 3488 Rosanna, Email: imagfact@starnet.com.au Victoria 3084, Australia Winners of the 1999 Australian Achiever Award ____________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110698 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942924307:10:20300:31; Thu, 18 Nov 99 11:25:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121537; 18 Nov 99 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12888 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12881 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:04 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.75.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oOzC-0005ad-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:40:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <4962a46838ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > I don't seem to have much success following those expert hints. > > What I did was > > -create a button macro with the text {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} > > -click on the button > > -drop a !Vector file onto an Ovation Pro window > > Result: Error message > > Draw verify failed; code 118 at -53312334 > > (various numbers on successive attempts. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Cheers, > > Jochen K. > That is interesting. I've just loaded a Vector file into OvPro without > any problem, and it does contain multiple layers as well. > Mind you, I did it the other way, creating a small script file that went > into AutoRun. Perhaps you could let me have a copy of the script file please Dave. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:55:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110701 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:55:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942897754:20:26245:23; Thu, 18 Nov 99 04:02:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025963; 18 Nov 99 4:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA11914 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:33:13 GMT Received: from mars.planet.net.au (mars.planet.net.au [203.15.90.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA11909 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 03:32:54 GMT Received: from imagfact.starnet.com.au (du140-13.mel.planet.net.au [202.161.13.140]) by mars.planet.net.au (8.8.6/8.6.12) with Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:21:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Mal McClenaghan Subject: Re: RTF output? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: the image factory X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 17 Nov, Ian Oliver wrote: > Greetings, and I seem to have missed something vital > (my Ant has not been well since OS4 arrived). Symptoms please. Dr Acorn will attempt a long distance diagnosis and treatment. > On Tue 16 Nov, Robin Phillips wrote: > > > I find the filter which enables me to transfer > > RTF files into OvationPro very useful. > > So would I - whence came it? Cheers, On David P's web site I think. I don't have a copy here. regards, Mal -- ____________________________________________________ Mal McClenaghan the image factory Tel: +61 3 9458 3599 PO Box 599, Fax: +61 3 9458 3488 Rosanna, Email: imagfact@starnet.com.au Victoria 3084, Australia Winners of the 1999 Australian Achiever Award ____________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:56:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110714 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:56:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942920518:20:13794:17; Thu, 18 Nov 99 10:21:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127398; 18 Nov 99 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12723 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:51:36 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12718 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:51:31 GMT Received: from kbnet.co.uk (dialup024.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.56]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20820 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:50:57 GMT Message-ID: <3833CBA2.C39ECD70@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:49:28 +0000 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where to get film made References: <110676@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > Anyone know where it is possible to get SRA2 or SRB2 film made > from Acorn originated files? > > I'm asking this on behalf of someone, so replies to the list where > they can see them please. > > David Pilling > Answer 1: Try Tony Tolver at T.J.Repro (repro@freeuk.com) who has an SRA2 imagesetter. Answer 2: Output document to PostScript and take to any bureau with A2 imagesetter. Imposition could be an issue, depending on nature of original. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:56:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110721 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:56:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942929216:10:12776:28; Thu, 18 Nov 99 12:46:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108240; 18 Nov 99 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13685 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:25:35 GMT Received: from wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13680 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:25:33 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06233 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:24:46 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA24179 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:24:34 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Style Palette 1.05 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:23:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bf31bf$afa98420$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Roger Foden wrote: > Using OPro 2.55 on SARPC, OS 3.7; > I found the same as Mik Towse: no tick/plus, just a 'o' and something > undecipherable. [snip] > Help! (Or has there been another version since 03/11/99 ?) Yes, several! The last was uploaded on 11/11/99 (as it says next to the link on the webpage), but by the sound of it, I doubt it will make any difference, as I didn't hear about this problem until late yesterday. As I said elsewhere, I'll look at it again. I'm surprised though, as I'm fairly sure that I checked by manually setting the variable in the applet to report itself to be RO3.7 and I got the good old-fashioned 'euro' behaviour from the original version. Ray Dawson wrote: >There seems to be some confusion as to whether it's 1.04 or 1.05. I >downloaded it from the OP web site as 1.05, but it reports 1.04. Yes, David and I both cursed when he noticed that I'd updated the library file, but copied the old version 1.04 !Help and !Info to the zipfile. If the Stylepal file in the library directory is dated on or after 11/11/99 then it's the latest release. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:56:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110722 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:56:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942929779:10:19256:21; Thu, 18 Nov 99 12:56:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125096; 18 Nov 99 12:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13665 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:24:43 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13659 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:24:41 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id NAA12291 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:23:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11oQwO-000JKnC; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:45 MET Message-ID: <3833F285.601B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:35:17 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: AutoSave References: <110531@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One of the few things from Impression I miss when using Ovation Pro is the way the AutoSave works; in Impression it springs into action only when the keyboard lies quiet for a number of seconds; in Ovation the "Save now?" window keeps appearing right in the middle of typing; would it be possible to implement the waiting period? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:56:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110724 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:56:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942923644:20:24494:31; Thu, 18 Nov 99 11:14:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027810; 18 Nov 99 11:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12909 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:25 GMT Received: from wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12904 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:41:23 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27833 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:40:34 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA15674 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:40:33 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Style Palette 1.05 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:39:14 -0000 Message-ID: <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <4962830DA5%mik@xemik.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > The what? There's no mention of these in the Readme1st file, but > there's an > 'otick' sprite in the sprites22 file anyway. What I am getting is > a character > & not a sprite. Hmmm. The applet should decide whether to plot a sprite or a character depending on what version of RISC OS you're running. It shouldn't set the icon text to be the sprite name ('otick', which is presumably what you're seeing the start of) *unless* it also sets the icon to sprite-only. I changed the download to automatically load the sprite in the applet, so people didn't have to mess around with copying sprites (as per the original ReadMe1st), so that explains that bit. Is there anyone out there using v1.05 on RISC OS 3.7 for whom !StylePal does work, as I obviously can't check myself with RO4? I'll look at the source again anyway. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:56:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110725 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:56:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942931705:10:11295:43; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:28:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010895; 18 Nov 99 13:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13916 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:46:23 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13911 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:46:17 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p26-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.154]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA10246 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:45:16 +1300 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:43:04 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49627af60bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB13916 Status: R Oh yes Cris.... great idea, i hope someone has a solution and can then tell us how to make HTMLEdit, OvationPro, and David Pillings Spell can be redirected to the newly compiled dictionary. On Thu 18 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > I have at least three main dictionaries from various sources (one set > from OPro, one from HTMLEdit, one from?). Anyway, a quick browse of > these dictionaries shows that they are rather different in their > contents, although, of course, many words are common to them all. >=20 > The question arises, is there a simple way to merge the contents of > dictionaries? I very probably should know this, but my mind is blank. >=20 > Chris >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:57:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110731 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:57:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942927044:20:16229:27; Thu, 18 Nov 99 12:10:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015453; 18 Nov 99 12:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13336 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:38:33 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13331 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:38:31 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11oPsm-0005Ia-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:37:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:24:32 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation query Message-ID: <68afd26249.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <110663@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110663@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <110663@pilling.demon.co.uk> , opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > I've been using hyphenation for the first time and have a query. There's > > an option in the hyphenation dialogue box that purports to allow/prevent > > the last word in a paragraph to be broken. However, whichever setting I > > have it on, the last words still break. > > Apparently the programmer never bothered to implement this feature. > > Oops. :-) So can we have it sometime? I'm amazed it's not cropped up before! Anyhow, can anyone suggest a good way to get around this for now? The obvious way seems to be to decrease/increase the tracking manually until it flows correctly but I'd appreciate any tricks. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:57:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110732 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:57:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942927380:20:17799:91; Thu, 18 Nov 99 12:16:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121605; 18 Nov 99 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13389 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:49:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA13384 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:49:32 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.139) [62.188.137.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oQ3Q-0007F3-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:48:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:01:44 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 16 Nov 1999 (23:50:11 +0000), ray@magray.co.uk wrote: > In article <496202085A%mik@xemik.com>, Mik Towse wrote: > > In message Tony van der Hoff > > wrote: > > > Nick Kaijaks writes > > > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is > now > > > >available for download from > > > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! > > Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of something > > after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( > > Did you copy the two merge sprite files into the sprite files in > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? > Using OPro 2.55 on SARPC, OS 3.7; I found the same as Mik Towse: no tick/plus, just a 'o' and something undecipherable. I put the two sprites into the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Sprites22 and Sprites. (How did you find out about that, Ray?) Nothing has changed. (8-( Help! (Or has there been another version since 03/11/99 ?) Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:57:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110733 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:57:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942928407:20:05706:39; Thu, 18 Nov 99 12:33:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119694; 18 Nov 99 12:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13569 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:14:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13564 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:14:25 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.82.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oQRW-00008h-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:13:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:16:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: <4962dce58dray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <4962830DA5%mik@xemik.com> <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Is there anyone out there using v1.05 on RISC OS 3.7 for whom !StylePal > does work, as I obviously can't check myself with RO4? I'll look at the > source again anyway. There seems to be some confusion as to whether it's 1.04 or 1.05. I downloaded it from the OP web site as 1.05, but it reports 1.04. Is there a later one? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 13:58:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110738 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:58:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942932877:20:08641:28; Thu, 18 Nov 99 13:47:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008229; 18 Nov 99 13:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14194 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:24:53 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14189 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:24:51 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-5-198.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.198]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BF95BDB098 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:24:03 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:16:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: <4962e26dfbray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Roger Foden wrote: > I put the two sprites into the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Sprites22 and > Sprites. (How did you find out about that, Ray?) It was in the Readme file in the archive. > Nothing has changed. (8-( > Help! (Or has there been another version since 03/11/99 ?) Yes, I think so, but I'm confused. The later one I downloaded (with the above instructions) calls itself 1.04 and not 1.05. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 16:47:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110769 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:47:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942938099:10:13676:35; Thu, 18 Nov 99 15:14:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123370; 18 Nov 99 15:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14642 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14630 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oSr8-000GDJ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:48:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:31:04 GMT Message-Id: <110757@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >and can then tell us how to make HTMLEdit, OvationPro, and David >Pillings Spell can be redirected to the newly compiled dictionary. The idea is that you just have one !Words directory, somewhere where it will be booted e.g. in Resources with !Fonts etc. !Words works so that the first copy seen is the one which is used. So by booting one copy before you run any programs, you should ensure that is the one which counts. You can then either merge all your dictionaries into one (shudder), or copy the dictionary files over renaming them. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 16:47:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110770 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:47:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942939164:10:23584:28; Thu, 18 Nov 99 15:32:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125095; 18 Nov 99 15:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14637 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14623 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oSr6-000GDJ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:48:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:28:37 GMT Message-Id: <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >the way the AutoSave works; in Impression it springs into action only >when the keyboard lies quiet for a number of seconds; in Ovation the >"Save now?" window keeps appearing right in the middle of typing; would >it be possible to implement the waiting period? Good suggestion. The point has come up before, but without any ideas for how to improve things. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 16:47:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110771 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:47:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942940171:10:04066:24; Thu, 18 Nov 99 15:49:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124417; 18 Nov 99 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14783 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:07:49 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14776 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:07:47 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id QAA02335 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:06:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11oU5Q-000JKnC; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:07 MET Message-ID: <383421C1.24C283BF@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:56:50 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Weird effect in OCR-text References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4962a42d03ray@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am currently scanning some lecture notes (with David Pilling's scanning software/Sleuth3),saving the OCRed text as RTF and dragging it into Ovation Pro (v.2.53). Most pages then look more or less like the originals; for some reason on some pages most of the line breaks are lost, giving a few large blocks of text instead of long lists of one line items. I then compare with the original, look for the line beginnings, click and press Return. Now for the weird part: very occasionally a line beginning jumps to the middle of the page (about 110 mm to the right of the other line beginnings), and I can find no way of removing this space; actually, it does not seem to exist for Ovation, because, if I click onto some spot left of the text, the cursor appears below the mouse pointer on the next line. Any suggestions? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 16:47:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110772 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:47:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942940389:10:05706:33; Thu, 18 Nov 99 15:53:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100817; 18 Nov 99 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14788 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:07:52 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14781 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:07:48 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id QAA02338 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:06:59 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11oUAd-000JKnC; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:12 MET Message-ID: <38342304.7066A066@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:02:12 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: bug in effect/style application? References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4962a42d03ray@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In my version of Ovation Pro (2.53) I can reproduce the following effect at will: I turn some text to Italics (using Effects), then go back to Normal. I define a style which does nothing but change text to Italics and apply it to this bit of text. Result: Nil (unless I define the style as "Line"; then the line BELOW the selection turns Italic). Is this a bug in Ovation, or is something wrong with my installation and should I install from scratch? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 16:47:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110774 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:47:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942940664:10:08526:39; Thu, 18 Nov 99 15:57:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008450; 18 Nov 99 15:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14626 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14618 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:48:59 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oSr4-000GDJ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:48:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:21:58 GMT Message-Id: <110753@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Starting on borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thrilled as I am with the new Drawfileborders, I'd appreciate even more the >scheme used by '!Poster' for its drawfile borders -- on two counts: >Though the drawing is more complex, a group of eight objects, it gives the >option of having different corners or edges etc. (Like a square border with >one rounded corner :-) This is a good point to discuss - for me to do the above is very simple. However would it be as easy for users as the Impression system which allows you to generate different borders on different sides using just Draw files with corners and one side in? I also had picked up the idea about repeating the images on the sides rather than stretching them. Again this is easy for me to allow as an option. I just saw this in MS Publisher, however the original Ovation program also worked that way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 16:47:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110775 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:47:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942943096:10:01189:28; Thu, 18 Nov 99 16:38:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118033; 18 Nov 99 16:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15088 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:51:10 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15083 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:51:08 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11oTpE-00021C-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:50:20 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:49:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries Message-ID: <4962f5f016C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <110757@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110757@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <110757@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The idea is that you just have one !Words directory, somewhere > where it will be booted e.g. in Resources with !Fonts etc. Yes - thats where mine is > So by booting one copy before you run any programs, you should > ensure that is the one which counts. You can then either merge all > your dictionaries into one (shudder), or copy the dictionary files > over renaming them. I think I have got the message that David disapproves of the idea of merging main dictionaries. When I load the three dictionaries + the smaller userdict, the memory requirement is a megabyte or so. Although no problem to me, this might be not acceptable on a low memory machine. What is the performance hit when checking several large dictionaries? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 17:20:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110791 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:20:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942938906:20:00335:18; Thu, 18 Nov 99 15:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115698; 18 Nov 99 15:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14644 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14636 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:49:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oSr9-000GDJ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:48:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:33:54 GMT Message-Id: <110759@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So can we have it sometime? I'm amazed it's not cropped up before! Oh yes, tootie sweetie. When going through the source code of programs, its always amusing to see what is bugged (and so didn't work at all) but has never been reported. Presumeably some people just throw the software through the window and don't report bugs, but it gives one a feel for which features are actually used. The software with the most bug reports is the software which is used the most - as opposed to the software with the most bugs in 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:05:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110806 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:05:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947097:20:18027:27; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:44:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017133; 18 Nov 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15758 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15753 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:52 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oVE1-000EsV-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:01 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:04:08 GMT Message-Id: <110781@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: bug in effect/style application? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I turn some text to Italics (using Effects), then go back to Normal. >I define a style which does nothing but change text to Italics and apply it >to this bit of text. Result: Nil (unless I define the style as "Line"; then >the line BELOW the selection turns Italic). You need to know that in OPro, effects always sit on top of styles... Effects Style 1 Style 2 ... Bodytext Therefore if Effects set italic, nothing you do to italics in Style 1 etc. will have any effect. >Is this a bug in Ovation, or is something wrong with my installation and >should I install from scratch? I'm surprised you even consider this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:05:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110808 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947301:10:10479:51; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:48:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114435; 18 Nov 99 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15619 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:04:10 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15614 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:04:08 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18683 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:03:02 +0100 Message-Id: <199911181703.SAA18683@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 18 Nov 1999 09:09:27 GMT Subject: Re: Button size MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > >>Is it indeed possible to edit the Templates? >>When I just tried to drop them into !TemplEd, all I got was an error >>message >> Template !'_LTQVCkVE[-]J[A^BG >>The template file from some other program worked ok. >>Any explanations? > >Oh yes... the German version of OPro has encrypted resource files >(which you can't edit). The other version has ordinary template files. > The german Templates/Messages are protected by a "You can eat Your cake, but You can't have it." scheme. This applies only to OP's *own* resources, not applet-resources (I'd be stark mad by now if I had to encrypt those too...). There is a slim chance of talking me into creating custom templates for single customers. Just make a wish and make it a double. But it's a whelk chance in a supernova, kind of... You know You're standing in this talking elevator and it says: "Up is not an option today, and I am 'fraid down is also a bit of a problem." Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:06:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110810 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:05:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947305:10:10540:36; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:48:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011437; 18 Nov 99 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15815 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15810 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:50 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.16) [62.188.130.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oVKl-0000S6-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:26:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:10:35 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 17 Nov 1999 (18:54:44 +0000), mik@xemik.com wrote: > In message <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > > Mik Towse wrote: > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > Nick Kaijaks writes > > > > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is > now > > > > >available for download from > > > > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! > > > Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of > something > > > after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( > > Did you copy the two merge sprite files into the sprite files in > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? > The what? There's no mention of these in the Readme1st file, but > there's an 'otick' sprite in the sprites22 file anyway. What I am > getting is a character & not a sprite. Me too; it looks rather like the beginning of 'otick' when a single style is selected and the beginning of 'oplus' if several styles are selected. If I change the display font (via configuration) I can get more or less of the word appearing. So it seems the applet is displaying the word rather than the sprite. I've copied the two sprites 'otick' and 'oplus' into the !OvnResDir.UK directory, merging them with the corresponding Sprites and Sprites22. Strange (or what)! Is this just a quirk with RiscOS 3.70? Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:06:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110812 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:06:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947881:10:17303:29; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:58:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100884; 18 Nov 99 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15780 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:21:10 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15775 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:21:08 GMT Received: from modem-100.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.100] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oVEI-0000jE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:09:51 +0000 (GMT) From: W J Murphy Subject: Printing more copies per A4 sheet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <110603@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R All of the worksheets I have written are A4 designed for use in in folders. My pupils now have to all use exercise books. It is more convenient to shrink them and print them as A5 than to rewrite them as A5 sized. In impression I can print Sideways, fit lots, 70%, fit same page to print two copies per sheet of A4 (from a single page document). What settings in Ovation would provide the same effect? -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:06:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110809 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947351:20:20309:18; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020633; 18 Nov 99 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15877 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:30:24 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15871 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:30:22 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.211] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11oVNF-0000fb-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:29:33 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:28:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:28:27 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation query Message-ID: <1ffdfe6249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110759@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Presumeably some people just throw the software through the window and > don't report bugs, but it gives one a feel for which features are actually used. > > The software with the most bug reports is the software which is used the > most - as opposed to the software with the most bugs in 8-) > Not quite! Some people are bug-reporters and others just shrug their shoulders and get on with life (perhaps in the hope that someone else will report the bug). Application programs are, I suspect, mostly used by non-bug-reporters. So what you really learn is which features are used by the bug-reporters. They be people with different habits in other respects .... I've been troubled by both hyphenation problems (last line and redlining of word-fragments by the spell-checker). Neither are life-threatening, so I've lived with them. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:06:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110813 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:06:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947448:20:21998:35; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:50:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022271; 18 Nov 99 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15751 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:51 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15745 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:20:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oVDy-000EsV-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:19:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:03:57 GMT Message-Id: <110779@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think I have got the message that David disapproves of the idea of >merging main dictionaries. I've no problem. I've told you how to do it. You should be aware of some other snags, like one dictionary may have one spelling of a word, and another a different one. It often doesn't matter which way you spell a word, but having 2 different spellings in a document is not so good. Also with spell dictionaries, more isn't necessarily better. Unless you're a bird expert, a dictionary with 'awk' in might prevent you spotting spelling errors in 'ark'. The best thing may be to just pick which of the dictionaries is the highest quality, I would say that is the OPro dictionary. If you have the patience you can export one dictionary as text and load it into Opro and spell check it with another, adding just the interesting words. >memory machine. What is the performance hit when checking several >large dictionaries? Not much, the spell check is very fast. (much faster than the one in Impression!). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 18:06:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110816 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942947951:20:29141:17; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029105; 18 Nov 99 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15822 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15817 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:55 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.16) [62.188.130.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oVKp-0000S6-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 15:08:10 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 17 Nov 1999 (18:54:44 +0000), mik@xemik.com wrote: > In message <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > > Mik Towse wrote: > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > Nick Kaijaks writes > > > > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is > now > > > > >available for download from > > > > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! > > > Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of > something > > > after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( > > Did you copy the two merge sprite files into the sprite files in > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? > The what? There's no mention of these in the Readme1st file, but > there's an 'otick' sprite in the sprites22 file anyway. What I am > getting is a character & not a sprite. Further to this, I've tried hacking some of the code in the .Library.StylePal OvPScrpt, without really knowing what I was doing. Line 191 onward suggests that the StylePal window display is different depending on the version of RISC OS. But, the program is not selecting the correct display option for O0S 3.70. Going back to StylePal 1.02, I attempted to change the display for multiply selected styles in the OvPScrpt: at line 187, changing the open cross to a '+' and doing the same on line 266, resulted in an error on loading 'multiple definition at line 4' , but the display in the StylePal window had changed as desired; the cross had become a plus sign. The tick is, I think, a sprite in Resources.Apps.Wimp.Sprites22 . But I don't know where the cross resides. I'm not sure what I'm doing, can anyone add further expertise? regards Roger. -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? Marengo Publications sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc Walking in Greece? Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 19:05:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110824 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 19:05:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942949788:10:09577:25; Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:29:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121081; 18 Nov 99 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16584 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:13:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16578 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:13:54 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oW3L-0003Ay-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:13:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 18:09:53 GMT Message-Id: <110817@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing more copies per A4 sheet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In impression I can print Sideways, fit lots, 70%, fit same page to print >two copies per sheet of A4 (from a single page document). >What settings in Ovation would provide the same effect? If you are printing one page and want two copies on the A4, then sideways, 70%, print format 'thumbnails' with 'all same' ticked. If its more than one page, then simply print format 'galley' or 'pamphlet'. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 21:44:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110833 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:44:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942952093:10:06693:18; Thu, 18 Nov 99 19:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006685; 18 Nov 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16960 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:48:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16954 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:48:57 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.219) [193.149.83.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oWbE-00033F-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:48:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:18:00 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repeated words Message-ID: <496295A97F%mik@xemik.com> References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > BTW it would be helpful to have a button to delete the repeated word if > > nec'. Perhaps changing the 'Replace' button? > Well maybe. The easy way is to hold down delete and then (when the word is > gone) press return. Or Ctrl-U, but as Michael Ben-Gershon pointed out, this leaves 2 spaces. > I thought this feature was useful, trying it on some of my manuals and the > OPro manual, found quite a few incorrect examples of repeated words. I /do/ find it useful. I can cope with a few 'questionable' examples. But, naturally, it would be better if the more obviously correct ones were ignored. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ I'd love to, but you didn't use the magic word. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 21:44:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110835 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:44:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942955151:10:12069:17; Thu, 18 Nov 99 19:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117258; 18 Nov 99 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17252 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:42:56 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17247 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:42:54 GMT Received: (qmail 23390 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 19:42:03 -0000 Received: from userm455.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.78.251) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 19:42:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:36:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <49630aab4bdfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4962a46838ray@argonet.co.uk> References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4962a46838ray@a User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4962a46838ray@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: [Snip] > > That is interesting. I've just loaded a Vector file into OvPro without > > any problem, and it does contain multiple layers as well. > > Mind you, I did it the other way, creating a small script file that > > went into AutoRun. > Perhaps you could let me have a copy of the script file please Dave. > Cheers, > Ray D Hi Ray, Sent by private email... For any one else... all I've done it take David P's suggested code, write a file in Edit thus: //Vector files void main(void) { impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); } Save it out as a file called "Vectorok" re-filetyped it as OvPScrpt and put it into the OvPro AutoRun directory and forgot about it. I've thrown a few different Vector files at it without any problems so far. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 21:45:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110841 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942959953:10:07308:41; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007277; 18 Nov 99 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17464 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:51 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17459 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:49 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oYV7-000C59-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:49:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:37:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Rectangles with rounded corners To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 16 Nov, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > On Wed 10 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > I have had to resort to creating these shapes in a drawing > > program, importing and grouping with the text just so that I could > > rotate them without losing the text. This is a shame when > > it's something OPro is meant to be able to do. > > > > May I suggest that you use two frames, one with the rounded corners and > one with the text in it on top of that. These two objects can be grouped > and then rotated to your hearts content without losing the text. If the > text frame breaks into the rounded corner frame the text frame can be > made transparent. This seems to work ok. > > I often use one frame on top of another in this way so that dropout text > can come right up to the edge of the tinted frame. > Cheers Bernard, I like this idea as a work around, wish I'd have thought of it. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 21:45:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110840 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942960960:20:20272:18; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019984; 18 Nov 99 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17609 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:20:10 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17604 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:20:08 GMT Received: (qmail 6950 invoked from network); 18 Nov 1999 21:19:16 -0000 Received: from usern100.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.133) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Nov 1999 21:19:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Cutting/Pasting Message-ID: <49630d9f06dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Some of you may remember me asking... if I could Cut and Paste text between Publisher and OvPro, why couldn't I do the same with a graphic object etc etc... Nice Mr P has posted a little something to me, which, with his permission I'll detail here for all to see and use. Applying the usual disclaimers, make a backup etc etc... Take your OvPro "Custom" file (found in the AutoRun Dir), drop it into a text editor... !Edit or similar. Near the bottom of the file there is a line olesetup(1,0,0,0); after it write: impexcopy(0xAFF,0x0,"zerotype"); } So the bottom of the file looks like this: olesetup(1,0,0,0); impexcopy(0xAFF,0x0,"zerotype"); } Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 21:45:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110842 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942960051:10:08462:35; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:20:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125394; 18 Nov 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17484 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:51:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17479 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:51:15 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oYVR-000C59-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:50:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:47:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <110560@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 17 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >There are two quirks in the red-underline facility, both annoying rather than > >really problematical. > > Sorry I did read these two points. I just didn't associate them with you. > > > >1) If the second fragment of a correctly-spelled hyphenated word doesn't make > >up a word recognised by the spell-checker, this fragment gets red-underlined. > > That I thought to myself was worth fixing. > > > >2) A word in the course of being typed gets red-underlined if the letters so > >far don't make a recognised word. Is it possible to make it wait till it > >reaches a word delimiter? > > And that sounded like more trouble than it was worth. > > I quite like the way the word is underlined until you get it right. It says > to me "keep on typing you're not all the way there yet". This is a serious > argument against this feature, do you really want to have to type a space > or move the caret before you see if the current word is correct? Given that, for the majority of words, most of us will spell them correctly, or notice our own mistakes, then I would much prefer to wait until after the delimiter, because the red line is annoying. However, if most others disagree, then fine, I'll just continue not to use that feature. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 22:11:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110853 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 22:11:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942961658:10:26640:25; Thu, 18 Nov 99 21:47:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127164; 18 Nov 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17682 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:32:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA17677 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:32:30 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.29) [62.188.130.29] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oZ9U-0007HC-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:31:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:20:39 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: <4963143F6C%mik.towse@xemik.com> References: <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000101bf31b1$28997020$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> "Nick Kaijaks" wrote: > Hmmm. The applet should decide whether to plot a sprite or a character > depending on what version of RISC OS you're running. Couldn't you make the StylePal use the sprite whichever version of RO is running? It's prob' not style guide compliant or something, but would that matter in this context? ;-) I tried the following in: void stylepal_addrows(int n) // if (stylepal_os4) f0 = f0 | 18; f0 = f0 | 18; And this displays the sprites correctly (3.70). I don't know enough about the script language to do it properly, but I wouldn't want to mess with someone else's work anyway. -- If in doubt, hang about. _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:32:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.130.29) [62.188.130.29] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oZ9N-0007HC-00; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:31:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:04:23 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Starting on borders Message-ID: <496307C5A0%mik@xemik.com> References: <110753@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110753@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <110753@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Thrilled as I am with the new Drawfileborders, I'd appreciate even more > > the scheme used by '!Poster' for its drawfile borders -- on two counts: > > Though the drawing is more complex, a group of eight objects, it gives > > the option of having different corners or edges etc. (Like a square > > border with one rounded corner :-) > This is a good point to discuss - for me to do the above is very simple. Perhaps you could have a sort of 'coding' system for corners/lines, so that it would be easier to match related drawfiles. Then you could have a borders and a corners directory. This would allow different corners to be used with different lines. > However would it be as easy for users as the Impression system which > allows you to generate different borders on different sides using > just Draw files with corners and one side in? Possibly. I get the Impression that a lot of Publisher user have been converted to OPro these days. > I also had picked up the idea about repeating the images on the sides > rather than stretching them. Again this is easy for me to allow as an > option. I would find this useful, but the biggest problem I have is trying to find the correct border size so that the stretched border doesn't look like an elephant has sat on it. Would it be possible to add an option to use the border at its original size? -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Error: Tagline aborted... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 18 23:22:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110863 for opro ; Thu, 18 Nov 99 23:22:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942965891:20:25893:19; Thu, 18 Nov 99 22:58:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113229; 18 Nov 99 22:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18101 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:28:20 GMT Received: from mail21.svr.pol.co.uk (mail21.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18096 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:28:18 GMT Received: from modem-18.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.9.146] helo=celtania) by mail21.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oa1V-0005lG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:27:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:25:26 GMT From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Booklet printing Message-ID: References: <110759@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110759@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Booklet printing - making 8 sides of A6 per A4 sheet My problem occurs when (number_of_pages mod 8) leaves 4 or less when the outer 4 pages are printed on a single side. This is as it should be according to the OP document summary at the upgrade to 2.46 when booklet printing was extended to work with half-sections (ie 4 pages or less). But it's not what I want - is there any way to turn off the half-section facility so the number of pages to be printed are rounded up to a multiple of eight regardless of the total number of pages? Specifically I want 60 pages to print as if they were 64 (with blanks at the end) not as happens: 2+56+2 with the blanks are in the wrong place. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 01:50:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110864 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 01:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942969203:10:19034:31; Thu, 18 Nov 99 23:53:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125052; 18 Nov 99 23:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18412 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:25:07 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18407 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:25:05 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-3-232.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.232]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5C7E17B5E1 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:24:10 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:34:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <496315815cray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49630aab4bdfs@ukgateway.net> References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4962a46838ray@a User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49630aab4bdfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > Perhaps you could let me have a copy of the script file please Dave. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Hi Ray, > Sent by private email... > For any one else... all I've done it take David P's suggested code, > write a file in Edit thus: > //Vector files > void main(void) > { > impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); > } > Save it out as a file called "Vectorok" re-filetyped it as OvPScrpt and > put it into the OvPro AutoRun directory and forgot about it. > I've thrown a few different Vector files at it without any problems so > far. Hmm. It gives an error 'Draw verify failed: Code 118' when I drop a vector file into an OP frame. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 01:50:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110865 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 01:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942967425:20:13767:19; Thu, 18 Nov 99 23:23:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114129; 18 Nov 99 23:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA18302 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:09:15 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18297 for ; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:09:14 GMT Received: from modem-112.carpenter.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.146.112] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oaf6-0000Ow-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:08:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:01:35 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro roger.foden@argonet.co.uk (Roger Foden) was let out long enough to write: > On Wed 17 Nov 1999 (18:54:44 +0000), mik@xemik.com wrote: > > In message <49621a4426ray@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > > > Mik Towse wrote: > > > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > > > > Nick Kaijaks writes > > > > > >The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is > > now > > > > > >available for download from > > > > > Thanks for that (and the previous one) Nick, Well done! > > > > Since the u/g (RPC SA 3.70) I get an 'o' (& a pixel or 2 of > > something > > > > after this) to the left of the text, but no tick/plus. :o( > > > Did you copy the two merge sprite files into the sprite files in > > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? > > The what? There's no mention of these in the Readme1st file, but > > there's an 'otick' sprite in the sprites22 file anyway. What I am > > getting is a character & not a sprite. > > Me too; it looks rather like the beginning of 'otick' when a single > style is selected and the beginning of 'oplus' if several styles are > selected. > If I change the display font (via configuration) I can get more > or less of the word appearing. So it seems the applet is displaying the > word rather than the sprite. > > I've copied the two sprites 'otick' and 'oplus' into the !OvnResDir.UK > directory, merging them with the corresponding Sprites and Sprites22. > > Strange (or what)! > Is this just a quirk with RiscOS 3.70? No I get an identical problem with RO3.6 and te copying sprites around trick doesn't seem to have made any difference. Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>When the wind is great, bow before it; when the wind is heavy, yield to it. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 01:50:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110866 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 01:50:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942973453:10:29448:34; Fri, 19 Nov 99 01:04:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113817; 19 Nov 99 1:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA18680 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:33:13 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA18675 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:33:11 GMT Received: (qmail 12944 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1999 00:32:18 -0000 Received: from useram81.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (62.188.134.253) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 00:32:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Roy K.Gillard" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:30:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries Message-ID: <4963259f63roy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <110603@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110603@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <110603@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > I wouldn't do it that way. I'd merge all 3 into one text file, > and then use the command line 'sort' program (copy inside Peter Bonds > index applet), with the flags set to get case in the right place a A b B > etc. Then dump the sorted text file into a new Edit window. Whilst talking about dictionaries, am I correct in thinking that !UserWords is *only* for networks, and as a single user I can delete it from my harddisc? It certainly doesn't appear to do anything on my machine. Sorry if this has been explained before, but I haven't found any reference to it. Thanks. Regards, Roy -- StrongArm RISCOS Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.roy.matra.ukgateway.net/ email: roy.matra@ukgateway.net (PGP key available) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 03:17:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110880 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 03:17:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942977775:10:07416:20; Fri, 19 Nov 99 02:16:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007413; 19 Nov 99 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19096 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:55:35 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19091 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:55:34 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id CAA22808 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:54:39 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11oUbR-000JKnC; Thu, 18 Nov 99 17:40 MET Message-ID: <38342983.79DEA076@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:29:55 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4962a46838ray@a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ray Dawson schrieb:> That is interesting. I've just loaded a Vector file into OvPro without >snip< > > Mind you, I did it the other way, creating a small script file that went > > into AutoRun. > > Perhaps you could let me have a copy of the script file please Dave. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Same here, please, if it's not too much trouble! Thanks, Jochen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110883 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942983271:10:23601:20; Fri, 19 Nov 99 03:47:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100388; 19 Nov 99 3:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19355 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:20:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19350 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:20:13 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oeZy-000Bcz-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:19:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 99 02:30:44 GMT Message-Id: <110878@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But it's not what I want - is there any way to turn off the half-section >facility so the number of pages to be printed are rounded up to a >multiple of eight regardless of the total number of pages? OK, we need to look at the Booklet file in Applets.!Imposit.Library. In void prbookletsetup(int file,int keyn,int paperbits,int paperno,int nopaper) this variable; four=(paper<=4 && paper>0); seems to flag the special case. My guess is that if you just set four = 0; it will work and ignore the special case. (no doubt the clear light of day will prove it one way or the other...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110885 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942988324:10:05360:26; Fri, 19 Nov 99 05:12:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005326; 19 Nov 99 5:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19687 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:56:33 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19682 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:56:31 GMT Received: from man-a100 (man-a100.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.100]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id EAA14864 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:55:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:39:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries Message-ID: <4963316fe8dave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <110779@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110779@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <110779@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Also with spell dictionaries, more isn't necessarily better. Unless > you're a bird expert, a dictionary with 'awk' in might prevent you > spotting spelling errors in 'ark'. And if you were a bird expert, you'd probably be mightily annoyed when awk wasn't flagged as as error when you'd meant to type auk. ;-) Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110887 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942982773:20:09076:19; Fri, 19 Nov 99 03:39:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009007; 19 Nov 99 3:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA19348 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:20:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19343 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:20:11 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11oeZv-000Bcz-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:19:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 99 02:18:35 GMT Message-Id: <110876@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst talking about dictionaries, am I correct in thinking that !UserWords >is *only* for networks, and as a single user I can delete it from my >harddisc? I believe !UserWords does work on single use machines, if you create a dictionary, it appears in !UserWords. But I guess that if you delete it, OPro will work with just !Words. One other comment on merging dictionaries. I think Spell and HTMLEdit (and WebSpell) have the same dictionaries, at any rate I wrote all the code and supplied the Spell dictionary to RComp. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110886 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942989422:10:17128:17; Fri, 19 Nov 99 05:30:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017117; 19 Nov 99 5:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA19693 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:56:37 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA19688 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:56:35 GMT Received: from man-a100 (man-a100.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.100]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id EAA14857 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 04:55:34 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:31:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: AutoSave Message-ID: <496330b332dave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >the way the AutoSave works; in Impression it springs into action only > >when the keyboard lies quiet for a number of seconds; in Ovation the > >"Save now?" window keeps appearing right in the middle of typing; would > >it be possible to implement the waiting period? > Good suggestion. The point has come up before, but without any ideas > for how to improve things. If you're looking to change the Autosave function, could it be made iterative, please. I would imagine that in Preferences the number of iterations could be user defineable along with a tick box for 10 characters/long filenames. Zero iterations would revert to the present method. When Autosave kicked in, the file 'Dog' for example, would then be saved as 'Dog01'...'Dog02'... etc until the upper number was reached before rolling round again. These should, to my mind, also only be security copies, ie the filename held internally should not change from 'Dog', and if the user saved the file, only then would the original be overwritten, maybe with an option in the Save dialogue to delete all Auto saves made since the last proper save. This would make it much less of a dangerous option. As it stands, I never have Autosave activated as it is a potentially destructive function and I'd rather trust my memory than luck. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110893 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942995458:10:02814:21; Fri, 19 Nov 99 07:10:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1002719; 19 Nov 99 7:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA19971 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:03:29 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA19966 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 06:03:28 GMT Received: (qmail 29381 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1999 06:02:31 -0000 Received: from userk670.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.246) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 1999 06:02:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 05:58:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <496343a923dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <496315815cray@argonet.co.uk> References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> <4962a46838ray@a User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <496315815cray@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <49630aab4bdfs@ukgateway.net>, > Dave Symes wrote: > > > Perhaps you could let me have a copy of the script file please Dave. > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > Hi Ray, > > Sent by private email... > > For any one else... all I've done it take David P's suggested code, > > write a file in Edit thus: > > //Vector files > > void main(void) > > { > > impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); > > } Save it out as a file called "Vectorok" re-filetyped it as OvPScrpt > > and put it into the OvPro AutoRun directory and forgot about it. > > I've thrown a few different Vector files at it without any problems so > > far. > Hmm. It gives an error 'Draw verify failed: Code 118' when I drop a > vector file into an OP frame. > Cheers, > Ray D Okay Dokay... In my private writings to Ray I've noted the following... posted for general use/ comsumption. :-) That is weird, I've just done more tests. My own constructed Vector files all load okay... But those from the Vector Examples directory won't and produce the error you've noted. However if you take one of the Example files, Say... "Patterns.Wire-glass" drop it into !Vector, then resave it as "Wire-glass2" Then drop "Wire-glass2" into an OvPro frame you'll find it'll now load. Well it does on my machine. I've tried this with various of the Example Vector files and it seems to work... Why, I know not, and I don't have time at the mo... to investigate furthur. As a possible clue, I notice that some of the material from within a Vector file *doesn't* Save/Transfer into OvPro (Replicate.Coupons for example), Save the file out as a Drawfile and everything works okay. Must be as DP says, The code to do the full business with Vector is not in OvPro. To confuse matters even more... Coupons itself will not load into OvPro... Load it into Vector, Save then load the Saved version into OvPro... Okay except that as I say, some of the images are missing. Start again. Load Coupons into Vector... Save as a Drawfile...Load the Drawfile back into Vector and now Save out as a Vectorfile again... this resaved Vectorfile *will* now Load into OvPro with all the images intact. Arghhh! I must away... Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110894 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943010418:20:16857:17; Fri, 19 Nov 99 11:20:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016465; 19 Nov 99 11:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20863 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:59:49 GMT Received: from helium.singnet.com.sg (helium.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20858 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:59:44 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1543.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.173]) by helium.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09117 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:58:39 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:53:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: RTF output? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ah! The ever-vigilant Mal. Very many thanks (in advance). On Thu 18 Nov, Mal McClenaghan wrote: > > Symptoms please. Dr Acorn will attempt a long distance > > diagnosis and treatment. My formicatory problems are two. But one I've already solved. (News groups were being downloaded but the news group window only showed grey jobbies no matter what. I deselected all, then reselected the things I wanted. After a couple of days, probably to do with the expiry date or something, I was able to select 'set all unread' and all was well. Touch laminate.) T'other is a Fresco thing. Various sites (mine included, and it's been tested by a number of checkers) give a problem. First I get 'An error occured... Fresco will attempt to recover, but suggest you shut down and restart'. If I click on okay, that goes away and the page partly loads (usually 70 - 80%) then sticks. I click on the 'stop' icon and get; 'Fresco has suffered an internal error type=5 (sometimes 1) and must exit immediately'. But not always. Just tried it five times in a row and it loaded twice. If you have a bright idea I shall be, as ever, in your debt to the tune of a million dollars (or seventeen cents, whichever is the smaller). But put it last on your list of priorities. Enjoy what I'm told is spiffing weather at the moment. Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:52:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110896 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943010514:20:17009:76; Fri, 19 Nov 99 11:21:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117749; 19 Nov 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20846 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:50:35 GMT Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20841 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:50:33 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.167]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4BAE for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:49:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:48:20 +0100 Subject: AutoSave Message-ID: <49635e31a8delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: <496330b332dave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > It would be best if saving without the Undo buffer didn't actually clear > that buffer. > Chris. I very much agree! Kind regards Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:53:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110898 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:52:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943014153:20:10326:19; Fri, 19 Nov 99 12:22:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126522; 19 Nov 99 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21188 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:45:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21181 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:45:04 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.82.96] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11omSS-0007Nr-00; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:44:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <4962a46838ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> References: <110078@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383195FF.5675@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49629596e6dfs@ukgateway.net>, Dave Symes wrote: > > I don't seem to have much success following those expert hints. > > What I did was > > -create a button macro with the text {impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile");} > > -click on the button > > -drop a !Vector file onto an Ovation Pro window > > Result: Error message > > Draw verify failed; code 118 at -53312334 > > (various numbers on successive attempts. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Cheers, > > Jochen K. > That is interesting. I've just loaded a Vector file into OvPro without > any problem, and it does contain multiple layers as well. > Mind you, I did it the other way, creating a small script file that went > into AutoRun. Perhaps you could let me have a copy of the script file please Dave. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:53:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110899 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:53:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943001962:10:04028:21; Fri, 19 Nov 99 08:59:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119883; 19 Nov 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20256 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:05:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20251 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:05:16 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.46) [193.149.69.46] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11oj1g-0002c3-00; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:04:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:07:48 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: AutoSave Message-ID: <496318906dsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <110755@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >the way the AutoSave works; in Impression it springs into action only > >when the keyboard lies quiet for a number of seconds; in Ovation the > >"Save now?" window keeps appearing right in the middle of typing; would > >it be possible to implement the waiting period? > Good suggestion. The point has come up before, but without any ideas > for how to improve things. Two stage wait: 1. Wait for defined period since last save. 2. Wait for (shorter) defined period since last key press. Both must be flagged before save occurs. > David Pilling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:53:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110902 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:53:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943015961:20:04560:18; Fri, 19 Nov 99 12:52:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113684; 19 Nov 99 12:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21312 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:08:53 GMT Received: from zinc.singnet.com.sg (smtp3.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21307 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:08:49 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2301.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.131]) by zinc.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA18730 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:07:45 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:43:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: RTF output? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 19 Nov, Ian Oliver wrote: > Ah! The ever-vigilant Mal. Very many thanks (in advance). ....etc. Sorry - posted by mistook. -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:53:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110903 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:53:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943002125:10:05602:73; Fri, 19 Nov 99 09:02:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005548; 19 Nov 99 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20345 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:30:31 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20340 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:30:29 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.34] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11ojQB-0005oq-00; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:29:31 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:26:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 08:26:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Roger Morris wrote: > Booklet printing - making 8 sides of A6 per A4 sheet > My problem occurs when (number_of_pages mod 8) leaves 4 or less when the > outer 4 pages are printed on a single side. > > This is as it should be according to the OP document summary at the > upgrade to 2.46 when booklet printing was extended to work with > half-sections (ie 4 pages or less). > > But it's not what I want - is there any way to turn off the half-section > facility so the number of pages to be printed are rounded up to a > multiple of eight regardless of the total number of pages? > Specifically I want 60 pages to print as if they were 64 (with blanks at > the end) not as happens: 2+56+2 with the blanks are in the wrong place. I'd be tempted to temporarily create 4 blank pages at the end of the document before printing (enter key on number keypad). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:53:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110908 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:53:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943009243:10:18739:29; Fri, 19 Nov 99 11:00:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018854; 19 Nov 99 11:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA20697 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:11:16 GMT Received: from wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk (eximuser@wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.49.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20692 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:11:14 GMT Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11okza-0000r7-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:10:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:10:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: Re: AutoSave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <496330b332dave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dave wrote: > This would make it much less of a dangerous option. As it stands, I never > have Autosave activated as it is a potentially destructive function and I'd > rather trust my memory than luck. Another dangerous thing about autosave is that, if you don't save the undo buffer with the file, that buffer is cleared by the save. So if things go wrong and you want to undo, but it saves at that moment, then you're stuffed. It would be best if saving without the Undo buffer didn't actually clear that buffer. Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 13:53:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110912 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 13:53:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943014905:10:14192:32; Fri, 19 Nov 99 12:35:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104524; 19 Nov 99 12:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21193 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:45:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA21183 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:45:06 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.82.96] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11omSR-0007Nr-00; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:44:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:56:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Repeated words Message-ID: <4962a42d03ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >BTW it would be helpful to have a button to delete the repeated word > >if nec'. Perhaps changing the 'Replace' button? > Well maybe. The easy way is to hold down delete and then (when the word > is gone) press return. Not quite - it leaves a double space where the deleted word was. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 16:59:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110929 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:59:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943028056:10:20693:27; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:14:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118670; 19 Nov 99 16:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21953 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:25:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21941 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:25:01 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11optC-0003V5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:23:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 99 15:17:23 GMT Message-Id: <110926@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If you load a (real) Vector file into Edit, the first few characters are; DrwC And its this which OPro checks, and will throw out unless they are the same as for a Draw file i.e. Draw David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 16:59:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110930 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:59:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943028222:10:21523:81; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:17:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022276; 19 Nov 99 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22026 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:37:29 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22021 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:37:27 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23735 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:34:28 GMT Received: from modem-41.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.9.41] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oq5I-0002FG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:36:24 +0000 Message-ID: <009801bf32a3$deb62400$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.05 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:33:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Roger Foden wrote: >Further to this, I've tried hacking some of the code in the ..Library.StylePal >OvPScrpt, without really knowing what I was doing. !?? >Line 191 onward suggests that the StylePal window display is different >depending on the version of RISC OS. But, the program is not selecting the >correct display option for O0S 3.70. As I've said in various messages, it's something nobody had raised until then. It's fixed (by Mik Towse's method - thanks Mik) in v1.06. >Going back to StylePal 1.02, I attempted to change the display for multiply >selected styles in the OvPScrpt: >at line 187, changing the open cross to a '+' and doing the same on line 266, >resulted in an error on loading 'multiple definition at line 4' , but the Every applet !Help file says "Ovation Pro must be re-run after enabling/disabling any Applets." This applies equally if you redefine bits of the applet definition files. If you don't, then you get this error message. >I'm not sure what I'm doing, can anyone add further expertise? Yes, it's fixed in 1.06, as I said I'd do. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 16:59:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110931 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943028879:10:26943:88; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:27:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027792; 19 Nov 99 16:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22171 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:57:05 GMT Received: from wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk (eximuser@wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.49.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22166 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:57:03 GMT Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11oqOH-00046R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:56:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:56:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <19991119152501.75615.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > I quite like the way the word is underlined until you get it right. It > > > says to me "keep on typing you're not all the way there yet". This is a > > > serious argument against this feature, do you really want to have to > > > type a space or move the caret before you see if the current word is > > > correct? > > > >Given that, for the majority of words, most of us will spell them > >correctly, or notice our own mistakes, then I would much prefer > >to wait until after the delimiter, because the red line is > >annoying. However, if most others disagree, then fine, I'll just > >continue not to use that feature. > > Can I add my vote to the 'delimiter' method, I find it annoying to have red > lines being drawn while I'm typing, especially now that they come on and > off according to how many letters you've typed (although thanks for > implementing that feature, David!). Also, is it possible to make the red > line thinner - just personal preference I guess! My vote goes the other way. I like the current behaviour. So to satisfy all, please make it configurable... Thanks, Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 17:01:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110933 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:01:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943026536:20:07704:17; Fri, 19 Nov 99 15:48:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111314; 19 Nov 99 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21886 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:00:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA21881 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:00:03 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11opV2-000PMK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:58:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 99 14:46:46 GMT Message-Id: <110920@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It would be best if saving without the Undo buffer didn't actually clear >that buffer 'fraid this is a never ever one. Undo works by storing references so if you delete a picture it just sticks a pointer to the picture in the buffer. When the undo buffer is flushed then the picture is removed from memory. So the idea of moving everything which might be referenced out of the way, then saving the file, then putting it back is not on. I guess if you're that worried, just save with the undo buffer. >When Autosave kicked in, the file 'Dog' for example, would then be saved as >'Dog01'...'Dog02'... etc until the upper number was reached before rolling >round again. Thats not a bad idea. There is a good reason why it was not done that way in the past. This is that on older OS's extra characters beyond the 10 char limit are ignored, so that Document001 would clobber Document00. >These should, to my mind, also only be security copies, ie the >filename held internally should not change from 'Dog' What internal filename? >saved the file, only then would the original be overwritten, maybe with an >option in the Save dialogue to delete all Auto saves made since the last >proper save. Too complex for most users... I was going to say what we want are *.bak files. That is another approach, when you save a file, rename the old one. I guess that can already be implemented using script files and existing events. (there is an applet which warns if you're about to overwrite something, obvious extension). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 17:01:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110934 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:01:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943027243:20:17763:19; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:00:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127317; 19 Nov 99 15:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA21973 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:26:36 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.126]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA21968 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:26:33 GMT Received: (qmail 75616 invoked by uid 0); 19 Nov 1999 15:25:01 -0000 Message-ID: <19991119152501.75615.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 194.6.84.126 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 07:25:01 PST X-Originating-IP: [194.6.84.126] From: "Jonathan Overett" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:25:01 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > I quite like the way the word is underlined until you get it right. It >says > > to me "keep on typing you're not all the way there yet". This is a >serious > > argument against this feature, do you really want to have to type a >space > > or move the caret before you see if the current word is correct? > >Given that, for the majority of words, most of us will spell them >correctly, or notice our own mistakes, then I would much prefer >to wait until after the delimiter, because the red line is >annoying. However, if most others disagree, then fine, I'll just >continue not to use that feature. Can I add my vote to the 'delimiter' method, I find it annoying to have red lines being drawn while I'm typing, especially now that they come on and off according to how many letters you've typed (although thanks for implementing that feature, David!). Also, is it possible to make the red line thinner - just personal preference I guess! Jonathan Overett 36 Trafalgar Street, York. YO23 1HZ Jonathan_Overett@bigfoot.com Tel : +44 (0)1904 640860 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 17:01:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110935 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:01:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943028113:20:29909:17; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:15:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120899; 19 Nov 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22054 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:42:52 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22049 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:42:51 GMT Received: from modem-41.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.9.41] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oqAX-0002QZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:41:49 +0000 Message-ID: <00d201bf32a4$a05343e0$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Style Palette 1.06 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:42:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mik Towse wrote: >Couldn't you make the StylePal use the sprite whichever version of RO is >running? It's prob' not style guide compliant or something, but would that >matter in this context? ;-) Yup. Since the sprites now get loaded automatically anyway, I may as well! >... I don't know enough about the >script language to do it properly, but I wouldn't want to mess with someone >else's work anyway. Well, that's what I did, and look what happened ;-) I've uploaded a new version, 1.06 of StylePal, which *really should* work for everybody. You don't have to mess around with copying sprites, and it now includes a button macro, and menu options which save automatically whether the palette opens and is centred by default. I've double-checked that the version number is correct everywhere too! http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/stylepal.zip is the place to find it. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 17:01:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110936 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:01:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943030698:20:03633:17; Fri, 19 Nov 99 16:58:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003532; 19 Nov 99 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23718 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:27:00 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23713 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:26:55 GMT Received: from modem-111.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.239] helo=celtania) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11oqr7-0005oL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:25:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:24:09 GMT From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing Message-ID: <5bf07c6349.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> References: <110878@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110878@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Roger Morris wrote: > > > Booklet printing - making 8 sides of A6 per A4 sheet > > My problem occurs when (number_of_pages mod 8) leaves 4 or less when the > > outer 4 pages are printed on a single side. snip > > I'd be tempted to temporarily create 4 blank pages at the end of > the document before printing (enter key on number keypad). > > David (Graddol) Thanks David, This would certainly work if I made it 2 blank pages at each end of the document. I don't necessarily know what the total number of pages is before printing so adding 4 at one end might just put me *into* the problem area. In message <110878@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > OK, we need to look at the Booklet file in Applets.!Imposit.Library. > In void prbookletsetup(int file,int keyn,int paperbits,int paperno,int > nopaper) this variable; > four=(paper<=4 && paper>0); > seems to flag the special case. My guess is that if you just set > four = 0; > it will work and ignore the special case. (no doubt the clear light of day > will prove it one way or the other...) > David Pilling Many thanks David, That works fine (only tried with small number of pages but a large number shouldn't make any difference). Even better (sometime in future) would be a button in print dialogue or choices to turn it on/off. (or would a new applet, say Booklet8, be better?) -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 18:59:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110937 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 18:59:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943031552:20:14622:18; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:12:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117426; 19 Nov 99 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22139 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:53:03 GMT Received: from wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk (eximuser@wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.49.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22134 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:53:01 GMT Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11oqKN-0006pN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:51:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:52:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: Re: AutoSave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <110920@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David, David Pilling wrote: > >It would be best if saving without the Undo buffer didn't actually clear > >that buffer > > 'fraid this is a never ever one. Undo works by storing references so if > you delete a picture it just sticks a pointer to the picture in the buffer. > When the undo buffer is flushed then the picture is removed from memory. > > So the idea of moving everything which might be referenced out of the way, > then saving the file, then putting it back is not on. So those deleted bits are not all in one place in the document, and flushing the undo buffer deletes each of them? Perhaps before a picture is marked as deleted and the pointer is put in the undo buffer, it could be moved to the end of the document and the new pointer saved (same amount of moving as when flushing the buffer). > > I guess if you're that worried, just save with the undo buffer. So could autosave ALWAYS save with the undo buffer, and then manual saves would use the configured option to save or not? (As with Fast Save in MS Word, which may be less tidy but is obviously faster and so can be used more frequently.) Yours, Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 18:59:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110939 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 18:59:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943032995:20:03640:20; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122978; 19 Nov 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24118 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:03:45 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24113 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:03:42 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21472 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:02:34 +0100 Message-Id: <199911191702.SAA21472@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 19 Nov 1999 08:41:27 GMT Subject: Re: Merging dictionaries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Oh yes Cris.... great idea, i hope someone has a solution >and can then tell us how to make HTMLEdit, OvationPro, and David >Pillings Spell can be redirected to the newly compiled dictionary. > Just decide to stick to one copy of !Words or double-click to designate the one You want to use. HTMLEdit will have to re-started if You change dictionaries. I have OP and HE running at the same time using the same dict. quite a lot. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 19:00:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110943 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 19:00:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943031150:10:16938:24; Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:05:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115857; 19 Nov 99 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22320 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:14:46 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22315 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:14:44 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09465 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:13:25 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id QAA24136 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:15:14 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <8025682E.0058E920.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 16:14:30 +0000 Subject: Re: AutoSave Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>These should, to my mind, also only be security copies, ie the >>filename held internally should not change from 'Dog' >What internal filename? I guess what is being talked about is the original name of the file that was loaded. >>saved the file, only then would the original be overwritten, maybe with an >>option in the Save dialogue to delete all Auto saves made since the last >>proper save. >Too complex for most users... >I was going to say what we want are *.bak files. That is another approach, >when you save a file, rename the old one. I guess that can already be >implemented using script files and existing events. There is also the scheme where autosaves are saved to a "backup" directory. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 19:39:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110955 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 19:39:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943039418:20:28471:43; Fri, 19 Nov 99 19:23:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028203; 19 Nov 99 19:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24759 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:07:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24754 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:07:14 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11otMG-0001Fa-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:06:09 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:48:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: More on shapes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <110661@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >David, could you give us the option to round each corner individually > >on a frame using a radius, rather than having the all nothing scenario. > > Thats not a bad idea. Not easy though, the 4 round cornered box is > one of the fundamental objects in OPro. > > This made me think, well you can set up a 4 round cornered box, then > use the shape box, set type polygon, and you then have a shape you > can edit - and you have a good demo of one of your round cornered bugs... Just had a go at that, and it's a good idea, but about many times slower than if it were automated. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 21:06:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110962 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 21:06:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943043005:20:12736:18; Fri, 19 Nov 99 20:23:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012677; 19 Nov 99 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24880 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:41:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24875 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:41:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ottX-000APR-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:40:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 99 19:03:04 GMT Message-Id: <110944@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > So those deleted bits are not all in one place in the document, and flushing >the undo buffer deletes each of them? Perhaps before a picture is marked as >deleted and the pointer is put in the undo buffer, it could be moved to the >end of the document and the new pointer saved (same amount of moving as when >flushing the buffer). Yes but the picture example is a simple case. In general there are horrible situations like style defintions which are mixed in amongst other styles which are in use. Its one of those things where yes you could do it the way you want, but it would make the program a lot bigger, slower, expensive. >So could autosave ALWAYS save with the undo buffer, and then manual saves >would use the configured option to save or not? (As with Fast Save in MS >Word, which may be less tidy but is obviously faster and so can be used more >frequently.) That wouldn't be too bad actually. Only costs one more button. Saves should be fast anyway. Some of the times for load/save in PC/Mac programs appear horrific. Much of the design of the file format was intended to allow saves/loads to be one block of memory to file - which given a decent filing system should be very fast. As we know what happened in practice was that people begged for slower saves so that various rogue filing systems didn't corrupt files. Roll on a box with a PCI bus... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 21:06:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110963 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 21:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943043831:20:22619:90; Fri, 19 Nov 99 20:37:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121605; 19 Nov 99 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA24848 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:38:10 GMT Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24843 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:38:08 GMT Received: from modem-99.thalium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.40.99] helo=celtania) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11otqC-0007tM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:37:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:31:42 GMT From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing Message-ID: References: <110878@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5bf07c6349.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5bf07c6349.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <5bf07c6349.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> I wrote: > > > > OK, we need to look at the Booklet file in Applets.!Imposit.Library. > > ... > > > ...turn it on/off. (or would a new applet, say Booklet8, be better?) Sorry, I meant a new Imposit library file not a new applet. But on second thoughts could the selection be via a submenu/dialogue off Booklet (rather like Thumbnails) ? -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 22:14:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110979 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 22:14:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943049627:20:00567:63; Fri, 19 Nov 99 22:13:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116544; 19 Nov 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:18:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25196 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:18:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ovPe-0007rb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:17:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 99 21:10:27 GMT Message-Id: <110968@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >or choices to turn it on/off. (or would a new applet, say Booklet8, be better?) The simple way is to copy the Booklet script, saving with a new name, and changing "Booklet" in what follows to something else... paperaddformat("Booklet",4,"prbooklet","prbookletcount","prbookletsetup"); addentry_menu(print_handle,"print_entry","print_flags","","","Booklet"); also change 4 to another number which no other print format will use. In a production version you'd have a sub menu (like the Tile format) and twiddle the feature on and off, and save the setting using a tag inside documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 19 22:14:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110981 for opro ; Fri, 19 Nov 99 22:14:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943049702:20:01681:27; Fri, 19 Nov 99 22:15:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001449; 19 Nov 99 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25233 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:32:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25228 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:32:40 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.25) [62.188.150.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ovd0-0006pi-00; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:31:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:28:31 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave Message-ID: <49638DD123%mik@xemik.com> References: <110920@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <110920@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <110920@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >It would be best if saving without the Undo buffer didn't actually clear > >that buffer > 'fraid this is a never ever one. Undo works by storing references so if > you delete a picture it just sticks a pointer to the picture in the buffer. > When the undo buffer is flushed then the picture is removed from memory. > > So the idea of moving everything which might be referenced out of the way, > then saving the file, then putting it back is not on. But what's to stop Autosave from saving the undo buffer irrespective of the setting of 'undo save' flag? Next time the user performs a 'proper' save, the buffer can be cleared (if appropriate). -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ A lie that can be passed off as truth becomes truth -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 20 01:40:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110986 for opro ; Sat, 20 Nov 99 01:40:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943050531:10:26201:25; Fri, 19 Nov 99 22:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101989; 19 Nov 99 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25240 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:32:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25235 for ; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:32:43 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.25) [62.188.150.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ovd3-0006pi-00; Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:31:37 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:37:14 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines in spell-checking. Message-ID: <49638E9D8F%mik@xemik.com> References: <19991119152501.75615.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19991119152501.75615.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <19991119152501.75615.qmail@hotmail.com> "Jonathan Overett" wrote: > Can I add my vote to the 'delimiter' method, [...] I find the current method useful when I'm DTPing; I spot errors quickly. But it's annoying when I'm creative writing. :-/ > Also, is it possible to make the red line thinner - just personal > preference I guess! But this might solve an irritating problem. OPro often leaves red debris all over the screen where the bottom pixel(?) isn't cleared after the word is corrected. This doesn't occur all the time, so I think it depends on how the page is position in the editing wdw. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 20 14:18:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111010 for opro ; Sat, 20 Nov 99 14:18:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943099923:20:14285:17; Sat, 20 Nov 99 12:12:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014019; 20 Nov 99 12:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA26741 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:57:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26736 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:57:43 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11p8Bw-0009r0-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:56:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:45:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.06 To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: <00d201bf32a4$a05343e0$0200000a@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Many thanks for your efforts. It seems to work fine on RISCOS4.02 and I'll give it good use in the coming week. Perhaps we have established a new applet writing routine with your inclusion of a button macro for us non-programmers. On Fri 19 Nov, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > I've uploaded a new version, 1.06 of StylePal, which *really should* work > for everybody. You don't have to mess around with copying sprites, and it > now includes a button macro, and menu options which save automatically > whether the palette opens and is centred by default. I've double-checked > that the version number is correct everywhere too! > > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/stylepal.zip is the place to find it. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 20 17:26:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111037 for opro ; Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:26:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943118435:20:18926:17; Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:20:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018778; 20 Nov 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27402 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:26:25 GMT Received: from mc-qout4.whowhere.com (mc-qout4.whowhere.com [209.185.123.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27397 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:26:23 GMT Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by my-deja.com; Sat Nov 20 08:24:30 1999 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 08:24:30 -0800 From: "Jonathan Mist" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: Defining macros in documents X-Sender-Ip: 194.168.5.56 Organization: My Deja Email (http://www.my-deja.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Language: en Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, I am new to this list so I apologise if this subject has been covered before. I would like to attach some macros to specific files or stylesheets - Is this possible, or do I need to remember to run a scrip Specifically, I want to add several buttons to a new row on the button bar. For example to apply a particular style, print as I have managed to add the buttons, but can't get OvationPro to automatically load the new buttonbar when I load the document. On a similar subject: 1) Can I have a different button bar for different open documents? 2) How can I produce a macro to embed a particular graphic file in the document text? From looking at the manual I think I nee Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you, Jonathan Mist --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 20 17:26:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111038 for opro ; Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:26:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943118442:20:19014:17; Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:20:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121800; 20 Nov 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27335 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:09:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27330 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:09:42 GMT Received: from (193.149.70.91) [193.149.70.91] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pD3q-0003LN-00; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:08:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:48:45 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: AutoSave Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 19 Nov 1999 (14:46:46), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >I was going to say what we want are *.bak files. That is another >approach, when you save a file, rename the old one. I guess that can >already be implemented using script files and existing events. > >(there is an applet which warns if you're about to overwrite something, >obvious extension). > Isn't this rather like what the original Ovation did? I remember this as the only disappointment when I upgraded to OPro. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111047 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943122585:10:07708:18; Sat, 20 Nov 99 18:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007693; 20 Nov 99 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27625 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:35:03 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27619 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:35:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11pEOP-0009uH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:33:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:28:05 GMT Message-Id: <111039@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>(there is an applet which warns if you're about to overwrite something, >Isn't this rather like what the original Ovation did? Yes, and the feature was created in both cases for my own requirement. So anyway with OPro, just get the Overwrte applet off the web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111048 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943119304:20:27542:19; Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:35:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103634; 20 Nov 99 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:27:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27419 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:27:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.68) [193.149.69.68] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pDLD-0003im-00; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 16:26:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:59:19 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.50 Subject: Re: Starting on borders Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov 1999 (13:40:07 +1000), secpc@flinders.edu.au wrote: >Thrilled as I am with the new Drawfileborders, I'd appreciate even more >the scheme used by '!Poster' for its drawfile borders -- on two counts: > >Though the drawing is more complex, a group of eight objects, it gives >the option of having different corners or edges etc. (Like a square >border with one rounded corner :-) > >The corners are used once but the edge elements are repeated as often >as needed to fill the required space with minimum aspect distortion, >rather then just being stretched. > >Has anyone else used them? liked them? want them? Most of my borders start life in !Poster. I'd be really pleased to have that flexibility built into OPro. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111049 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943123248:10:13258:18; Sat, 20 Nov 99 18:40:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107967; 20 Nov 99 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27769 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:46:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27764 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:46:10 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11pEZC-000A29-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:44:54 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:45:25 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <496315815cray@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] > > For any one else... all I've done it take David P's suggested code, > > write a file in Edit thus: > > > //Vector files > > void main(void) > > { > > > impexcopy(0xAFF,0xC56,"VecFile"); > > > } > > > > Save it out as a file called "Vectorok" re-filetyped it as OvPScrpt and > > put it into the OvPro AutoRun directory and forgot about it. > > > I've thrown a few different Vector files at it without any problems so > > far. > > Hmm. It gives an error 'Draw verify failed: Code 118' when I drop a > vector file into an OP frame. It does for me too! Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111050 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943123161:20:05060:27; Sat, 20 Nov 99 18:39:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128423; 20 Nov 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27755 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:45:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27750 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:45:15 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11pEYG-000A29-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:43:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:34:27 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Style Palette 1.06 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <00d201bf32a4$a05343e0$0200000a@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 19 Nov, Nick Kaijaks wrote: [snip] > > I've uploaded a new version, 1.06 of StylePal, which *really should* work > for everybody. You don't have to mess around with copying sprites, and it > now includes a button macro, and menu options which save automatically > whether the palette opens and is centred by default. I've double-checked > that the version number is correct everywhere too! > > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/stylepal.zip is the place to find it. > Thank you Nick. Much appreciated! Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111051 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943123999:10:18909:23; Sat, 20 Nov 99 18:53:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018798; 20 Nov 99 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27762 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:45:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27757 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:45:40 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11pEYg-000A29-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:44:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 21:13:36 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <496343a923dfs@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 19 Nov, Dave Symes wrote: [snip] > > Hmm. It gives an error 'Draw verify failed: Code 118' when I drop a > > vector file into an OP frame. > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > Okay Dokay... > In my private writings to Ray I've noted the following... posted for > general use/ comsumption. :-) > > That is weird, > I've just done more tests. My own constructed Vector files all load > okay... But those from the Vector Examples directory won't and produce the > error you've noted. > > However if you take one of the Example files, Say... "Patterns.Wire-glass" > drop it into !Vector, then resave it as "Wire-glass2" Then drop > "Wire-glass2" into an OvPro frame you'll find it'll now load. > Well it does on my machine. [snip] I'm afraid it simply gives the above error. It will accept the Vector file *only* when saved as a drawfile and dropped into OP as a drawfile. Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111053 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943123380:20:06951:17; Sat, 20 Nov 99 18:43:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006931; 20 Nov 99 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA27631 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:35:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27626 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:35:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11pEOR-0009uH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 17:33:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 99 17:30:05 GMT Message-Id: <111041@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Defining macros in documents X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to attach some macros to specific files or stylesheets I guesss you'd use the tagged data manager to embed the macros in the document, and then possible an open document event to execute them. >1) Can I have a different button bar for different open documents? No, because a button is a macro, and there is only one global pool for macros. >2) How can I produce a macro to embed a particular graphic file in the document text? Perhaps by executing DDL code with the ddl() function, and using referenced images. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:23:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111056 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:23:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943134523:20:18192:22; Sat, 20 Nov 99 21:48:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103355; 20 Nov 99 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28780 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:41:57 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28775 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:41:55 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS2-p37.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.161.165]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02896 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:40:31 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3837072B.70D5507F@netvision.net.il> Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:40:11 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Starting on borders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dan McCarthy wrote: > > On Thu 18 Nov, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I'll put in a wishi list wish for David... > > > > Thrilled as I am with the new Drawfileborders, I'd appreciate even more the > > scheme used by '!Poster' for its drawfile borders -- on two counts: > > > > Though the drawing is more complex, a group of eight objects, it gives the > > option of having different corners or edges etc. (Like a square border with > > one rounded corner :-) > > > > The corners are used once but the edge elements are repeated as often as > > needed to fill the required space with minimum aspect distortion, rather > > then just being stretched. > > > > Has anyone else used them? liked them? want them? > > Yes I would put a vote in for Poster type borders > They are very flexible and are about the only thing that I > still use Poster for Well, I have an ENORMOUS collection of Impression borders, which I use for all kinds of jobs, and would hate to have to change them so they would work with OvationPro. The current situation is fine for me, although I would like to be able to set the 4 borders separately (as with Impression). Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111061 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943152085:20:29708:17; Sun, 21 Nov 99 02:41:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029596; 21 Nov 99 2:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA29860 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:44:40 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planetc.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA29855 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 01:44:26 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-58.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.188]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA24782 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 14:43:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 12:24:36 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Illegal address ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have recently upgraded my Cumana SCSI2 card and reformatted the disc to F+ format. I then transferred all my applications to the reformatted disc, which necessitated re-installing OvationPro. Although the message was "drag application to Install window", when I did so it told me that it was the wrong install window (I'm using v2.55). So I went through the procedure of updating from 2.46 -> 2.51 -> 2.52 -> 2.55 and all appeared to go well. BUT now, when I try and save, say a text file from StrongEd/Edit/Writer to an open OVatinPro document, the following error message appears: "Illegal address (e.g. wildly outside array bounds) Post Mortem requested. Arg1: 0x00000b418 46104 -> [0x00000090ac 0x000006d3 0x000000000] 881c in function Receive translate 8f40 in function WinMain 3aa16a4 in unknown procedure 80d4 in anaonymous function Press SPACE or click mouse to continue. I suspect that I've done something wrong, or something has gone wrong in the upgrade, because I can save text files from any text editor into Impression Publisher. Now, can anyone point to what the error means and, more importantly, what I should do? TIA David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111060 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943130313:10:07561:17; Sat, 20 Nov 99 20:38:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128399; 20 Nov 99 20:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28500 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:26:48 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28495 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:26:46 GMT Received: (qmail 29020 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1999 19:25:28 -0000 Received: from userh987.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.104.106) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 1999 19:25:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:25:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Vector files; was How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <4964116244dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <496343a923dfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Rosalind M. Share wrote: > On Fri 19 Nov, Dave Symes wrote: > [snip] [Snip] > > That is weird, I've just done more tests. My own constructed Vector > > files all load okay... But those from the Vector Examples directory > > won't and produce the error you've noted. > > > > However if you take one of the Example files, Say... > > "Patterns.Wire-glass" drop it into !Vector, then resave it as > > "Wire-glass2" Then drop "Wire-glass2" into an OvPro frame you'll find > > it'll now load. Well it does on my machine. > [snip] > I'm afraid it simply gives the above error. It will accept the Vector > file *only* when saved as a drawfile and dropped into OP as a drawfile. > Ros Hi Ros, I am surprised... {:-) Upon receiving your posting in the maillist I thought I try that again. The original Examples Vector files... Chequers, Eagle, Fish, Pre-Mask, Shark, and Wire glass, I've just loaded into Vector and then just resaved them as Vector files. I've created six frame in an OvPro document... dragged and dropped each Vector file into a frame... I now have the six Vector files looking at me as I type this. Cheers Dave S Email me privately if you think I can help furthur... D. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111064 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943163123:20:21788:17; Sun, 21 Nov 99 05:45:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021668; 21 Nov 99 5:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30207 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:36:55 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA30202 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:36:48 GMT Received: (qmail 31721 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1999 04:35:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO koalasoft.pnc.com.au) (203.57.115.197) by halibut.pnc.com.au with SMTP; 21 Nov 1999 04:35:19 -0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:17:25 +1200 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Epson 460 test To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry about my last message. This is what should have gone out. I have just completed initial testing one of the new Epson printers. The Stylus Colour 460. Initial results are; Fast, Quiet, Colour reproduction is excellent, B&W is crisp with no bleed or blured edging, Grey Scales are very smooth. (albeit with 360dpi on A4 plain paper) and The most important thing to date is that it works as above using existing printer Definitian Files (Acorn StyCol400) More detailed results on this one and others in the #60 range later. Kindest regards Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111065 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943131652:10:17589:20; Sat, 20 Nov 99 21:00:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112836; 20 Nov 99 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28638 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:03:43 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28627 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:03:38 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p2.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.132]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02205 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:58:17 +1300 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:04:28 +1200 (GMT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: Starting on borders To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19991118134007.009ec810@post.flinders.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 18 Nov, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > Greetings, > > I'll put in a wishi list wish for David... > > Thrilled as I am with the new Drawfileborders, I'd appreciate even more the > scheme used by '!Poster' for its drawfile borders -- on two counts: > > Though the drawing is more complex, a group of eight objects, it gives the > option of having different corners or edges etc. (Like a square border with > one rounded corner :-) > > The corners are used once but the edge elements are repeated as often as > needed to fill the required space with minimum aspect distortion, rather > then just being stretched. > > Has anyone else used them? liked them? want them? Yes I would put a vote in for Poster type borders They are very flexible and are about the only thing that I still use Poster for ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111067 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943132276:10:22339:25; Sat, 20 Nov 99 21:11:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022158; 20 Nov 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28636 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:03:42 GMT Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28625 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 20:03:37 GMT Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p2.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.132]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA02201 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 08:58:15 +1300 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:58:34 +1200 (GMT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: Hyphenation query To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <1ffdfe6249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 19 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > Presumeably some people just throw the software through the window and > > don't report bugs, but it gives one a feel for which features are > >actually used. > > > > The software with the most bug reports is the software which is used the > > most - as opposed to the software with the most bugs in 8-) > > > Not quite! Some people are bug-reporters and others just shrug > their shoulders and get on with life (perhaps in the hope that > someone else will report the bug). Snip There is a third category, those of us that assume that anything that doesn't work it is something that we are doing wrong and decide that they must read the manual again - tomorrow perhaps? > ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - BLACK HOLES REPAINTED -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111068 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943202673:20:19074:19; Sun, 21 Nov 99 16:44:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106614; 21 Nov 99 16:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31164 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:34:36 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA31159 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:34:34 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.250) [62.188.137.250] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pYzB-0004aN-00; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:33:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:23:14 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: AutoSave Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have the "Choices:General:Save Buffer" option ticked to avoid the risk of not being able to go back on what I've done... but I prefer to flush the undo buffer (to save disc space) when I do the final save of a document (well, the final save for now ;-)... I decided I didn't want to trawl through the menu each time, so I've put in a macro and an associated button that sits next to the other 'save' buttons on the bar. Free to anyone who wants to e-mail me! Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111073 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943210334:20:01424:18; Sun, 21 Nov 99 18:52:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125381; 21 Nov 99 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31554 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:45:12 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31549 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:45:10 GMT Received: from modem-111.niobium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.20.111] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11pb1Y-000809-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: <001001bf3447$fcca4520$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Booklet printing Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:43:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Roger Morris wrote: >But it's not what I want - is there any way to turn off the half-section >facility so the number of pages to be printed are rounded up... I've amended the booklet script to make this a menu option as suggested. I've uploaded it as part of the !Imposit applet version at http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/impoapp.zip As these are "unofficial" amendments, you may want to keep a backup of the original somewhere. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:24:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111074 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:24:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943141284:10:27229:17; Sat, 20 Nov 99 23:41:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027077; 20 Nov 99 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29359 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:47:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29354 for ; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:47:12 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.227) [62.188.142.227] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pJGP-0004CF-00; Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:45:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 22:39:44 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: !Label applet closing OvPro down Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Recently I began to try using the !Label applet. The first time I tried it, it worked fine, but the 'experiment' used one of the supplied label formats, and my own labels are not amongst those - I use Avery J8163 7x2 99mmx38mm labels and so I created a sheet as follows: In the different !Labeller (sic) applet (from the 'other', third-party, Opro resources site) I had already created a suitable sheet _but_ it had 1) links between labels, and 2) 6 merge fields (and a MergeField 99, linking to each subsequent label) per label. I copied this sheet to the !Label.Stationary.directory, went the master page of the doc and removed all the links, and then removed all the merge tags, and, as per !Help for !Label, created just one (incremental) merge tag per label; This I then resaved as DDL LabelJ8163 in the Stationary dir. Disaster now struck. Selecting an address, selecting my new format and clicking on Label in the applet menu now simply, and without warning, quits Opro. That's it. In panic I dumped my new format and retried the old 'default' format - same result. In greater panic I deleted the !Label applet altogether, went to the official Opro site, have just downloaded the applet anew, re-installed it, no strange formats in sight, and - same disaster! It simply shut Opro down without warning when I tried to use it. I have subsequently tried some of my other applets - they seem to work ok. OvPro 2.55 RO 3.10 4Mb RAM and no probs up to now. Other operating applets are !Abbrev, !Bookmark, !Calcs, !Fluff, !Imposit, !Impulse, !NewFrame, !OEPS, !Ovation, !Quotes, !Statnry. I have other applets in the applet directory that are switched off inluding the !Labeller (sic) applet Help! Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:25:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111085 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:25:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943203376:10:15740:20; Sun, 21 Nov 99 16:56:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015825; 21 Nov 99 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA31171 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:34:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA31166 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:34:37 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.250) [62.188.137.250] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pYzD-0004aN-00; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:33:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:32:11 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Print>select>delete macro? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi (again), I use a key macro in order to print a document and then select the current text - {printdocument()}{CS_A} In some cases, it would be useful to have the current text automatically deleted after the print operation. I tried setting up another key macro - {printdocument()}{CS_A}{Copy} but this deletes the text before the document is printed. Is there a way around this? Cheers, Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:26:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111089 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:26:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943210397:10:23068:40; Sun, 21 Nov 99 18:53:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022997; 21 Nov 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31588 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:59:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31583 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:59:06 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.15) [62.188.131.15] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pbF0-00000w-00; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:57:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 17:23:53 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: AutoSave Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 21 Nov 1999 (15:23:14 +0000), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: > a macro and an associated button that sits > next to the other 'save' buttons on the bar. Free to anyone who wants > to > e-mail me! Yes Please. Thanks Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:26:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111091 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:26:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943214881:10:09399:28; Sun, 21 Nov 99 20:08:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009408; 21 Nov 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31770 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:01:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA31765 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:01:08 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.99) [193.149.80.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pcD3-0001Uy-00; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:59:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:27:51 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Startup Banner Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA31766 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB31770 I've just noticed the startup banner still says =A9 Beebug Ltd 1998. Not= a problem as such but I think it should revert to David Pilling. --=20 Richard __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:26:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111092 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:26:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943216174:10:23741:25; Sun, 21 Nov 99 20:29:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023746; 21 Nov 99 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31943 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:34:34 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31935 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:34:27 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-11-257.easynet.co.uk [212.134.19.1]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B2897B306 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 19:32:56 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: OvationPro User Group Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:15:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Illegal address ... Message-ID: <49648ec988ray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > I suspect that I've done something wrong, or something has gone wrong in > the upgrade, because I can save text files from any text editor into > Impression Publisher. Did you upgrade the colour supplement when you went from 2.46? It is necessary somewhere along the line. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:27:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111096 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:26:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943265795:10:29471:25; Mon, 22 Nov 99 10:16:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123472; 22 Nov 99 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01389 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:44:14 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01384 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:44:12 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21996 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:44:05 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:44:00 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:43:59 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6A6@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: AutoSave Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:43:57 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: badger.set@argonet.co.uk [SMTP Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 3:23 PM To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave Hi, I have the "Choices:General:Save Buffer" option ticked to avoid the risk of not being able to go back on what I've done... but I prefer to flush the undo buffer (to save disc space) when I do the final save of a document (well, the final save for now ;-)... I decided I didn't want to trawl through the menu each time, so I've put in a macro and an associated button that sits next to the other 'save' buttons on the bar. Free to anyone who wants to e-mail me! Richard. -- Richard Brock What about sending it to Chris Johnson on the OvnPro Resources site? Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:27:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111103 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943221817:20:17540:17; Sun, 21 Nov 99 22:03:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116005; 21 Nov 99 22:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32252 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:50:33 GMT Received: from mail20.svr.pol.co.uk (mail20.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32247 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:50:31 GMT Received: from [195.92.67.23] (helo=mail18.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail20.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11pdul-0001jJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:48:51 +0000 Received: from modem-25.pakistani-butterfly.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.218.25] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail18.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11pduk-00064S-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:48:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:06:01 +0000 From: Mark Daniel To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8025682E.0058E920.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro andy.ling@quantel.com was let out long enough to write: > > > >>These should, to my mind, also only be security copies, ie the > >>filename held internally should not change from 'Dog' > >What internal filename? > I guess what is being talked about is the original name of the file > that was loaded. > > >>saved the file, only then would the original be overwritten, maybe with an > >>option in the Save dialogue to delete all Auto saves made since the last > >>proper save. > >Too complex for most users... > >I was going to say what we want are *.bak files. That is another approach, > >when you save a file, rename the old one. I guess that can already be > >implemented using script files and existing events. > > There is also the scheme where autosaves are saved to a "backup" > directory. > I think the StrongED autosave system would be handy, (possibly not the most recent incarnation but a variation of the last one) Where the file is never actually overwitten until you click save but a backup is written to a backups directory every few minutes. So if you need the original you can revert to saved but if it crashes or some other terrible thing happens you can pickup the most recent backup save. I nearly wrote an applet adaptaion of this but quickly gave up when I started to seriously look at it. Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:27:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111104 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:27:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943285459:10:03664:48; Mon, 22 Nov 99 15:44:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124376; 22 Nov 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02580 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:48:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA02575 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:48:08 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.83) [193.149.84.83] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11pul2-0000iI-00; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:47:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 08:43:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4964de4809steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4688ac6449.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> References: <4688ac6449.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB02580 In article <4688ac6449.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it>, Paolo Rossi wrote: > In message > rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > > I've just noticed the startup banner still says =A9 Beebug Ltd 1998.=20 > > Not a problem as such but I think it should revert to David Pilling. > Sure! And what about adding an impressive splash box in the the likes o= f > Photodesk or TopModel? Let's set up a competition between Ovation users > for the best banner. With a selectable "show on start up" like MS office 4.3? > Cheers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:27:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111105 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:27:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943224523:20:18766:17; Sun, 21 Nov 99 22:48:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018756; 21 Nov 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32385 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:41:02 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA32380 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 21:41:01 GMT Received: (qmail 1330 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1999 21:39:29 -0000 Received: from userbj63.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.143.226) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 1999 21:39:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:29:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Cutting/Pasting Message-ID: <49649b108bdfs@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro And while we're talking about cutting/copying and pasting. In the MS-Windows side of the universe, there are various third party apps that enable multiple items to be Cut/Copied... stored in the clipboard. It would be very nice if some programming person could do something like this for the RISCOS world. I for one would be willing to part with a small sum of lolly, should some part time programmer put something together. At the moment I have to use a slightly convoluted fix up that involves !TempDir. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:27:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111110 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:27:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943309417:10:01184:20; Mon, 22 Nov 99 22:23:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106885; 22 Nov 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03542 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:03:25 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (mail.access.ch [195.112.71.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03537 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 22:03:23 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-27.access.ch [212.161.128.219]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24747 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:03:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:26:55 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Removing Effects To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <38395987.AE6@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA03538 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB03542 Lieber Jochen, So others understand me as well I'll continue in English. You wrote: > Ever since changing over from Publisher to OvPro, I have been impressed > with the way everything seems to be just where it should be (even those > menus that are arranged completely differently from the CC way never > proved hard to find. > Now I've found one exception. > The trouble I recently reported with being unable to replace an effect > with a style arose from the simple fact that the Effects window doesn't > contain an item "remove effects", so I thought "Normal" must serve that > purpose in OvPro. There is some logic to this. Said window is to **apply** a something to the text, not to remove anything. Once a style or effect exists, you may want to change it. So then you go to Menu > Styles. > Now that I've realised that effects are removed through the Remove > Styles window, ..... There is a much faster way to remove an effect. Mark the text and then pr= ess L. Or have the Styles applet active. Here too, mark the text and the top 2 entries of the Styles window let you remove all styles and/or all applets by clicking the left mouse key. But .... > ..... I won't have this difficulty again, but I do think that > this arrangement makes things more difficult for a beginner than > strictly necessary. I agree. The problem is that every person has a different logic when thinking. See what I stated above about logic. Which does not mean that I do not understand and to a large extent agree with your complaint. Which does not only apply to beginners. I'll keep your comments in mind. And by the way, do have the Quick Reference Guide nearby. And look at the key short-cuts.=20 > Still, I like Ovation more every day and am only angry at myself for > waiting so many years till I took the "Giant Leap". Gott sei Dank, nicht zu sp=E4t / ... not too late :-)) Glad to have you on board. Freundliche Gruessen / Greetings, JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:27:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111111 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:27:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943229603:20:06513:21; Mon, 22 Nov 99 00:13:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103672; 22 Nov 99 0:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32673 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:19:20 GMT Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32668 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:19:15 GMT Received: from azzurro71.libero.it (151.20.79.122) by smtp1.libero.it; 22 Nov 1999 00:17:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 23:40:12 GMT From: Paolo Rossi To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4688ac6449.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: ide@rt User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA32669 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB32673 In message rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > I've just noticed the startup banner still says =A9 Beebug Ltd 1998. N= ot a problem as such but I think it should revert to David Pilling. Sure! And what about adding an impressive splash box in the the likes of Photodesk or TopModel? Let's set up a competition between Ovation users for the best banner. Cheers --=20 Paolo Rossi -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:28:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111114 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:28:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943319608:10:28395:37; Tue, 23 Nov 99 01:13:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028445; 23 Nov 99 1:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03908 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03901 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:40 GMT Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11q43J-000NbK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:14:18 +0000 (GMT) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <109009@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Well the long declared aim *is* a CD. I would imagine with everything on. > Including the OPro documents for a revised version of the manual. It will ne nice when you can do this David. The one big advantage is that if everyone pays for this major update then we will all be on exaxtly the same version for future updates. Roll on. Perhaps you could introduce it for Wakefiwld 2000? Mike -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Hope to see you at WAKEFIELD 2000 - The Acorn RISC OS Show Saturday/Sunday 20/21 May 2000 Thornes Park, Wakefield -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:28:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111122 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:28:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943264929:20:09277:25; Mon, 22 Nov 99 10:02:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101603; 22 Nov 99 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01356 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:37 GMT Received: from gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01351 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:35 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gateh.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20455 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:26 GMT Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:22 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:22 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA6A5@w12wnxu01.wn.bbc.co.uk> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: AutoSave Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 09:39:20 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Mark Daniel [SMTP Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 11:06 PM To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave Where the file is never actually overwritten until you click save but a backup is written to a backups directory every few minutes. So if you need the original you can revert to saved but if it crashes or some other terrible thing happens you can pickup the most recent backup save. I nearly wrote an applet adaptation of this but quickly gave up when I started to seriously look at it. I've never tried writing an applet but what about one which combines the QuickSave function with this function. With 'autosave' on the file is written to the 'Temp' directory (even if a filename exists) incrementing the name each time. The manual save writes to the normal directory. Is it possible? Any takers? Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:28:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111130 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:28:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943274720:20:10981:23; Mon, 22 Nov 99 12:45:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010848; 22 Nov 99 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01917 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:09:37 GMT Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01912 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:09:36 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:09:26 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA08267; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:07:59 GMT Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 12:06:44 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: AutoSave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <110944@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 19 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > So those deleted bits are not all in one place in the document, and flushing > >the undo buffer deletes each of them? Perhaps before a picture is marked as > >deleted and the pointer is put in the undo buffer, it could be moved to the > >end of the document and the new pointer saved (same amount of moving as when > >flushing the buffer). > > Yes but the picture example is a simple case. In general there are horrible > situations like style definitions which are mixed in amongst other styles > which are in use. Its one of those things where yes you could do it the > way you want, but it would make the program a lot bigger, slower, expensive. > > > >So could autosave ALWAYS save with the undo buffer, and then manual saves > >would use the configured option to save or not? (As with Fast Save in MS > >Word, which may be less tidy but is obviously faster and so can be used more > >frequently.) > > That wouldn't be too bad actually. Only costs one more button. > It would be good to have the facility (via a single button) to be very flexible about saving with undo buffer. I use all sorts of options from not bothering with notes through to saving over many versions until a final version is agreed. So the suggestion of having a different action on auto- and "proper"-save would not be very helpful. I have often thought that the most flexible option would be to have the undo buffer option as a document preference rather than as an application choice. Would that be easy to do? The suggestion of a single button would be handy in either case, instead of going through a menu list. Don Lewis PS an associated line. On two occasions with a longish document over many versions, the latter has resulted in loss of the document when attempting to reload (despite a large buffer. (Fortunately I save intermediate versions too for important work!) Is this a common problem? -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:29:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111136 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:29:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943285098:20:27196:19; Mon, 22 Nov 99 15:38:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127709; 22 Nov 99 15:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA02612 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:57:50 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02607 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:57:48 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id PAA14346 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:57:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11pusS-000JKnC; Mon, 22 Nov 99 15:55 MET Message-ID: <38395987.AE6@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:56:07 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Removing Effects References: <110607@pilling.demon.co.uk> <496295A97F%mik@xemik.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ever since changing over from Publisher to OvPro, I have been impressed with the way everything seems to be just where it should be (even those menus that are arranged completely differently from the CC way never proved hard to find. Now I've found one exception. The trouble I recently reported with being unable to replace an effect with a style arose from the simple fact that the Effects window doesn't contain an item "remove effects", so I thought "Normal" must serve that purpose in OvPro. Now that I've realised that effects are removed through the Remove Styles window, I won't have this difficulty again, but I do think that this arrangement makes things more difficult for a beginner than strictly necessary. Still, I like Ovation more every day and am only angry at myself for waiting so many years till I took the "Giant Leap". Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:29:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111138 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:29:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943294238:20:17478:24; Mon, 22 Nov 99 18:10:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126411; 22 Nov 99 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03062 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:36:20 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planetc.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03057 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:35:51 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-39.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.169]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id GAA03566 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:35:19 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:41:57 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Illegal address ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <49648ec988ray@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 21 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , > David Love wrote: > > > I suspect that I've done something wrong, or something has gone wrong in > > the upgrade, because I can save text files from any text editor into > > Impression Publisher. > > Did you upgrade the colour supplement when you went from 2.46? It is > necessary somewhere along the line. Yes, using v1.5. Is there a later one? Cheers David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 18:29:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111143 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 18:29:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943320406:20:14849:21; Tue, 23 Nov 99 01:26:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106300; 23 Nov 99 1:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03904 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03896 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:39 GMT Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11q43F-000NbK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:43:22 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:17:49 +0000 (GMT) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <79471e5c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 05 Nov, F.R. Polak wrote: > In message <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > > >on line IUSWIM). > > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a > credit card. Any other means is such a hassle that I normally refrain > from a purchase. And definitely Yes! in the UK. Mike Wilson. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Hope to see you at WAKEFIELD 2000 - The Acorn RISC OS Show Saturday/Sunday 20/21 May 2000 Thornes Park, Wakefield -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 19:56:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111190 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 19:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943386710:20:18403:17; Tue, 23 Nov 99 19:51:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018034; 23 Nov 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05879 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:25:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05874 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:25:17 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qLYX-0003pM-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:24:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 99 19:08:29 GMT Message-Id: <111171@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Illegal address ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >BUT now, when I try and save, say a text file from StrongEd/Edit/Writer >to an open OVatinPro document, the following error message appears: Elemetary, clause 88 [1] of the RISC OS 4 problems document. I quote; Transloaders Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web site File Library page. [1] joke... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 22:13:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111193 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 22:13:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943389110:10:19178:20; Tue, 23 Nov 99 20:31:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104866; 23 Nov 99 20:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05969 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 19:58:29 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA31113 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:15:12 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-3-226.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.226]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 89AF77B31C for ; Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:13:42 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:05:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Save suggestion Message-ID: <4963e91121Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a thought. I think the 'Save icon' should be unselectable until you've done a 'Save as'. At the moment, if you click on it, you get 'Ovation Pro may have gone wrong' etc. This would frighten any new users to RISCOS. An alternative would be just to pop-up the 'Save As' box instead. -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 23 22:14:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111204 for opro ; Tue, 23 Nov 99 22:14:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943394694:20:17820:20; Tue, 23 Nov 99 22:04:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108208; 23 Nov 99 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06284 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:35:24 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06279 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:35:22 GMT Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qNaS-0001M4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:34:56 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:22:14 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:22:05 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re:Printing problems Message-ID: <4514976549%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone tell me why I have no background printing with OvPro 2.54, even thorugh it shows on the printer driver. It works with version 2.51. Also, dragging an ovpro file straight on to the printer icon does not produce a print. Any ideas? Neill McNeill -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 02:11:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111210 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 02:11:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943404178:10:23012:19; Wed, 24 Nov 99 00:42:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022935; 24 Nov 99 0:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06649 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:47:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA06643 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:47:56 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.81.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11qPej-0006ob-00; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:47:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:42:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing problems Message-ID: <4965b4609eray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4514976549%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> References: <4514976549%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4514976549%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk>, Neill McNeill wrote: > Can anyone tell me why I have no background printing with > OvPro 2.54, even thorugh it shows on the printer driver. > It works with version 2.51. > Also, dragging an ovpro file straight on to the printer icon > does not produce a print. > Any ideas? You need to set it from the icon bar Choices. Under Print choices, tick Background. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.magray.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 03:41:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111241 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 03:41:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943414399:20:04855:25; Wed, 24 Nov 99 03:33:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004821; 24 Nov 99 3:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07124 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:04:00 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07119 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:03:58 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id EAA06058 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:03:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11qLZg-000JJMC; Tue, 23 Nov 99 20:26 MET Message-ID: <383AEA69.49D08B3B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:26:33 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Speed of Ovation vs. Impression References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> <49574a1490sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <17f4fa5749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38185B73.66CF@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am just now editing the German dictionary for Ovation Pro's German version. (There is currently a "spelling reform" coming into effect in the German speaking countries, and the dictionary does not use the new spelling.) Remembering a remark of David's about the relative speeds of the Ovation and Impression spell checkers, of course I had to play around a bit. Here are the - unsystematic but still revealing - results of my "test": 1. Load the extracted text of the German dictionary (74286 words): -Ovation 2.53 (O) 1 min 35 s -Impression 4.13(I) 4 min 20 s 2. replace every "e" with "$" O: finished (125941 replacements) in 9.9 s I: after about 10 seconds 11 (!!!) replacements, one third down column 1 of about 1260 columns!!!!!!!!!! 3. sp$llch$ck this t$xt, L$arn th$ unknown words O: 15 in 3 seconds (I couldn't hit the Learn button any faster) I: 15 in 10 seconds (Imp. didn't accept key presses any faster) Quite impressive, Mr. Pilling, sir! For good measure, I did a bit of text editing: 4. Replace font Trinity with Homerton O: 46 s I: 1 min 21 s 5. Change from 12 pt to 10 pt: O: 55 s I: 1 min 34 s 6. Select all: O: 6 s I: < .5 s (victory for Impression at last!) There was only one thing speaking for Impression, here: During the long waits it always showed an hourglass; Ovation didn't; not very pleasant! Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 13:54:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111250 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:54:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943416060:20:21230:19; Wed, 24 Nov 99 04:01:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114047; 24 Nov 99 4:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07255 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:46:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07247 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:46:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qTNB-000L3J-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:45:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 03:36:54 GMT Message-Id: <111237@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: AutoSave X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have often thought that the most flexible option would be to >have the undo buffer option as a document preference rather than as an >application choice. Would that be easy to do? Yes, not a bad idea. >On two occasions with a longish document over many versions, the latter has >resulted in loss of the document when attempting to reload (despite a >large buffer. (Fortunately I save intermediate versions too for >important work!) The thing which can happen is, you save a document when the undo buffer size is large. You subsequently reload it when the undo buffer size is smaller. That meams a chunk of undo buffer has to be scrapped - to make the new size for the document the same as the current global undo buffer size. If there's a bug in the code for scrapping undo buffer you get the effect of the file causing a crash on load - in fact setting the undo buffer size to what it was when the doc was saved will allow it to be loaded, and salvaged. I've not seen cases of this recently. But I suppose we're now getting into the area of allowing the undo buffer size to be a doc preference too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 13:54:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111253 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943416062:20:21246:17; Wed, 24 Nov 99 04:01:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021193; 24 Nov 99 4:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07248 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:46:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06225 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:18:44 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.45) [62.188.135.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11qNKL-0001OA-00; Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:18:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 21:13:10 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Save suggestion Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 20 Nov 1999 (12:05:12 +0000), ian.hamilton@aaug.net wrote: >Just a thought. I think the 'Save icon' should be unselectable until >you've done a 'Save as'. At the moment, if you click on it, you get >'Ovation Pro may have gone wrong' etc. This would frighten any new >users to RISCOS. An alternative would be just to pop-up the 'Save As' >box instead. > I've just de-selected Save in favour of Save As... it's only an extra return! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 13:54:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111255 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:54:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943416870:20:29242:17; Wed, 24 Nov 99 04:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120601; 24 Nov 99 4:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07253 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:46:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07240 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:46:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qTNA-000L3J-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:45:36 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 03:31:21 GMT Message-Id: <111235@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The one big advantage is that if everyone pays for this major update >then we will all be on exaxtly the same version for future updates. If everyone pays for it I will be most surprised. A paid for upgrade does risk splitting the user base. With the upgrades being free at the moment, there is no reason why all users can't be using exactly the same version. No feature like large images has ended up producing documents which some users can't load. >Perhaps you could introduce it for Wakefiwld 2000? At the preset rate of progress that may be around the likely date. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 13:54:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111258 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:54:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943448621:10:00588:700; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:03:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025070; 24 Nov 99 12:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09122 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:55 GMT Received: from mailhub1.liv.ac.uk (mailhub1.liv.ac.uk [138.253.100.94]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09117 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:53 GMT Received: from uxa.liv.ac.uk ([138.253.100.79]) by mailhub1.liv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qb8p-0006YE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:19 +0000 Received: (from sargeant@localhost) by uxa.liv.ac.uk (8.8.7/ajt5) id MAA23153; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:19 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 12:03:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Fiona Sargeant X-Sender: sargeant@uxa.liv.ac.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Tabs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all, I have a simple question: is it possible to define a sequence of tabs with different tab leaders? When trying to define a style for figure contents to look like this: fignum blahblah pagenum where tab1 should have no tab leader and tab2 should have . as tab leader I found that changing the leader for a selected tab changed it for all tabs on that ruler. If this is the way it should work, is there a work-around? Fiona PS. I am one of the rare beasts who never used Impression. I migrated from Word. Needless to say I think OvationPro is fantastic!! ___________________________________________________________________________ Fiona Sargeant, University of Liverpool, Department of Earth Sciences Jane Herdman Labs, 4 Brownlow Street, Liverpool L69 7GP (0151 794 5202) ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 13:59:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111264 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:59:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943417256:20:02709:17; Wed, 24 Nov 99 04:20:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002700; 24 Nov 99 4:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07363 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:49:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07358 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:49:47 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qTQj-000H1t-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:49:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 03:43:53 GMT Message-Id: <111242@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Speed of Ovation vs. Impression X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. Load the extracted text of the German dictionary (74286 words) I'd think the way you check the spell check speed is to check the above document using the dictionary form as the spell check dictionary. i.e. you don't get any errors raised, so the time you get is the time to check 74,286 words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 13:59:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111271 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 13:59:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943427354:20:23716:18; Wed, 24 Nov 99 07:09:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023671; 24 Nov 99 7:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08017 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:53:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA08012 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:53:47 GMT Received: from (62.188.1.1) [62.188.1.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11qWIl-0005El-00; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:53:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation vs Impression Speeds Message-ID: <4965db8e39colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199911240304.DAA07133@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199911240304.DAA07133@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Subject: Speed of Ovation vs. Impression I note with interest the speed differences of OvnPro vs Impression by Jochen. Glad that I have finally seen some real results. I have always maintained that Ovation was faster to use and that OvnPro was even better. The problem is that both Imp. and OvnPro are good at what they do, and once you have used and got used to one, they are so different, that moving over to the other is fairly hard for some to do. I also still say that using a DTP program that has difficulty drawing a simple line - puzzles me. Keep it up David ! -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 14:00:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111273 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 14:00:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943430020:20:25668:20; Wed, 24 Nov 99 07:53:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025647; 24 Nov 99 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08154 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:26:07 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08149 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:26:01 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-17.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.147]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA08659 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:25:26 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:49:56 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Illegal address ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <111171@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 23 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >BUT now, when I try and save, say a text file from StrongEd/Edit/Writer > >to an open OVatinPro document, the following error message appears: > > Elemetary, clause 88 [1] of the RISC OS 4 problems document. > > I quote; > > Transloaders > > Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is > a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. > > Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally > accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the > !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web > site File Library page. David your blood is worth bottling. I can now get on with the user group's latest newsletter without having to type in allcontributions. Thank you. David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 14:00:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111274 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 14:00:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943430428:20:00693:30; Wed, 24 Nov 99 08:00:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000474; 24 Nov 99 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08262 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:44:54 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08257 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:44:52 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-9-40.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.40]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82E597B0A1 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 07:44:20 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OLE bug in version 2.54 Message-ID: <496585972fIan.Hamilton@AAUG.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There appears to be a minor problem with OLE. If you save back the OLE'd object more than once, Ovation crashes with a type 5 error. -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 14:01:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111279 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 14:01:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943437264:20:14407:18; Wed, 24 Nov 99 09:54:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126810; 24 Nov 99 9:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08656 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:36:19 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08646 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:36:16 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA02535 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:35:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11qYdd-000JJNC; Wed, 24 Nov 99 10:22 MET Message-ID: <383BAE94.61FBAE5A@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:23:32 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321s (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Speed of Ovation vs. Impression References: <111242@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling schrieb: > >1. Load the extracted text of the German dictionary (74286 words) > > I'd think the way you check the spell check speed is to check the above > document using the dictionary form as the spell check dictionary. i.e. you > don't get any errors raised, so the time you get is the time to check 74,286 > words. > > David Pilling > I tried that first, of course. However, Impression's spell checker is so abysmal that this was doomed to failure: Ovation took about 36 seconds to check the whole text; Impression informed me that it didn't know word three of the list. Adding the unknown words is impossible because Impression User Dictionaries can each be just a laughable 8 kB big, and my Ovation User Dictionary is currently just below 1 MB ! So, no comparison! Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 14:01:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111280 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 14:01:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943437962:20:25521:36; Wed, 24 Nov 99 10:06:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118806; 24 Nov 99 10:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08661 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:36:20 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08651 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:36:17 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id KAA02538 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:35:44 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11qYp0-000JJNC; Wed, 24 Nov 99 10:34 MET Message-ID: <383BB155.A90A7495@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:35:17 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321s (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: What's so terrible about being alone? References: <111242@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Still nattering about the subject of user dictionaries: I found a text file (from the German government) on the Net listing all the words with changed spelling - and a lot which haven't changed. As this is just 12000 words big I felt that an Ovation Learning Marathon should be feasible. And so it was, with one exception: The list contained the word "solo" (alone); when the spell checker (which already contained the word "Solo" (music for one musician)) reached this line, Ovation crashed.. I have tried a few variations, and found that whether the spell checker already knows 0, 1 or both of those words, Ovation will crash when spell checking reaches the word solo; the only variation is that sometimes there is a type = 3 error, sometimes it's type=5; sometimes the crash occurs directly, sometimes only when I click on Learn. (On the off chance that the word list contained some invisible character I opened a new window and typed "Ich segele solo um die Welt"....CRASH.) What IS so terribel about being alone? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 17:44:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111298 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 17:44:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943462737:20:08028:43; Wed, 24 Nov 99 16:58:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108965; 24 Nov 99 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09922 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:37:12 GMT Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09917 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:37:10 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3209.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.137]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22676; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:36:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:37:24 +0100 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: What's so terrible about being alone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, "J. Konietzko" In-Reply-To: <383BB155.A90A7495@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > What IS so terribel about being alone? Maybe because 'solo' is not a Generic german word but Anglo/Germanic... I was not aware of the word being used often in German (in Dutch, yes, but we 'allow' more English influences, not to the joy of our language purists). Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Let op! Nieuw tel. & faxnummer! Tel. +31(0)70 307 2040 Fax: +31(0)70 307 2050 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail: ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail: avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail: info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 17:44:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111300 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 17:44:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943465029:20:15276:47; Wed, 24 Nov 99 17:37:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115862; 24 Nov 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10021 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:04:42 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10015 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:04:39 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29097 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:03:59 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA14319 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:03:58 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Booklet printing Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 17:02:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001401bf369d$ad684380$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: > [mailto:owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Roger Morris > Sent: 24 November 1999 16:18 Roger Morris wrote: > Thank you Nick, Booklet v1.3 does give me what I want. > > Just one little puzzle with the logic: > > In order to print a 12 page document so that after folding and trimming > the pages are in order 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,blank,blank,blank,blank > then I have to choose (ie tick) "use half-sections" > > Whereas with v1.2 (use half-sections would have been the default and > only option) the page order was 1,blank,blank,2...11,blank,blank,12 > > I would have expected to *not* choose "use half-sections" Don't worry, I don't understand the logic either - I expect I got the logic/menu the wrong way around... >This puzzled me but I don't mind because v1.3 does give me what I want. Imposition can be so opaque at the best of times that I rarely trust what the menus tell me anyway ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 17:44:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111302 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 17:44:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943460117:10:03181:529; Wed, 24 Nov 99 16:15:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028748; 24 Nov 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09594 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:53:20 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09589 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:53:13 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id PAA09808 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:52:29 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11qcn4-000JKnC; Wed, 24 Nov 99 14:48 MET Message-ID: <383BECEC.B41D16D@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:49:32 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321s (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Fiona Sargeant schrieb: > Hi all, > > I have a simple question: is it possible to define a sequence of tabs > with different tab leaders? > > When trying to define a style for figure contents to look like this: > > fignum blahblah pagenum > > where tab1 should have no tab leader > and tab2 should have . as tab leader > > I found that changing the leader for a selected tab changed it for > all tabs on that ruler. If this is the way it should work, is there a > work-around? > > Fiona > > PS. I am one of the rare beasts who never used Impression. I migrated > from Word. Needless to say I think OvationPro is fantastic!! Hi, Fiona, Somewhere I've recently seen a description of exactly this effect - must have been in the German manual for Ovation 2.53; so a look into your English manual might be helpful. Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 18:12:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111323 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 18:12:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943466328:10:29015:1066; Wed, 24 Nov 99 17:58:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029921; 24 Nov 99 16:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09821 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:19:35 GMT Received: from cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.195.173]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09816 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:19:33 GMT Received: from modem-104.zinc.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.14.232] helo=celtania) by cmailg3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11qf86-0000GC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:51 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 16:18:02 GMT From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Booklet printing Message-ID: References: <001001bf3447$fcca4520$0200000a@wallace> In-Reply-To: <001001bf3447$fcca4520$0200000a@wallace> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001001bf3447$fcca4520$0200000a@wallace> you wrote: > Roger Morris wrote: > > >But it's not what I want - is there any way to turn off the half-section > >facility so the number of pages to be printed are rounded up... > > I've amended the booklet script to make this a menu option as suggested. > I've uploaded it as part of the !Imposit applet version at > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/impoapp.zip > > As these are "unofficial" amendments, you may want to keep a backup of the > original somewhere. > Nick > Thank you Nick, Booklet v1.3 does give me what I want. Just one little puzzle with the logic: In order to print a 12 page document so that after folding and trimming the pages are in order 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,blank,blank,blank,blank then I have to choose (ie tick) "use half-sections" Whereas with v1.2 (use half-sections would have been the default and only option) the page order was 1,blank,blank,2...11,blank,blank,12 I would have expected to *not* choose "use half-sections" This puzzled me but I don't mind because v1.3 does give me what I want. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 18:51:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111333 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 18:51:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943469485:20:25059:18; Wed, 24 Nov 99 18:51:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025020; 24 Nov 99 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10425 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:19:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10420 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:19:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qgzu-0009NH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:18:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 18:10:14 GMT Message-Id: <111318@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: What's so terrible about being alone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ovation will crash when spell checking reaches the word solo; the only >variation is that sometimes there is a type = 3 error, sometimes it's >type=5; sometimes the crash occurs directly, sometimes only when I click on Oh dear, collapse of stout party (me not OPro)... I think that is just a case of the dictionary with 'solo' in being corrupt. Sorting out this corruption of dictionaries stuff has leapt up the todo list today. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 19:20:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111343 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:20:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943470468:20:08160:19; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:07:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100730; 24 Nov 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10620 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:39:37 GMT Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10615 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:39:36 GMT Received: from lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk ([130.88.24.57]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11qhJi-00015S-00; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:38:58 +0000 Message-Id: <5838.199911241838@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 3/22/99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OLE bug in version 2.54 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:08:55 GMT." <111316@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:38:05 +0000 From: Roger Noble Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <111316@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote > >>There appears to be a minor problem with OLE. If you save back the OLE'd >>object more than once, Ovation crashes with a type 5 error. > >This came up a few weeks back. I couldn't reproduce it. The person >with the problem was using ArtWorks - I wonder which program you >are using? > I got the same problem a couple of days back, and yes, it was ArtWorks. I could send you a copy of the file if it would help. Roger Noble -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 19:20:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111344 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:20:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943470659:10:17865:270; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:10:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1017826; 24 Nov 99 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10413 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:19:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10406 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:19:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qgzr-0009NH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:18:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 18:05:40 GMT Message-Id: <111314@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have a simple question: is it possible to define a sequence of tabs >with different tab leaders? No. In case that is too simple an answer, there has been a lot of discussion of this problem here. ISTR there is an example document on the alternative OPro site showing how to achieve the effect you want. There is an outstanding promise I have made to add this feature in future, and I will do that when I move on to working on the text side of the program. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 19:21:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111345 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:20:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943470732:10:01678:1033; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:12:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1118456; 24 Nov 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10418 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:19:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10411 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:19:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qgzs-0009NH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:18:28 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 18:08:55 GMT Message-Id: <111316@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OLE bug in version 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There appears to be a minor problem with OLE. If you save back the OLE'd >object more than once, Ovation crashes with a type 5 error. This came up a few weeks back. I couldn't reproduce it. The person with the problem was using ArtWorks - I wonder which program you are using? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 20:46:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111346 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 20:46:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943471645:10:06880:227; Wed, 24 Nov 99 19:27:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106059; 24 Nov 99 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA10584 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:36:53 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10578 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:36:49 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-16.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.146]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA24751 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:36:08 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:33:05 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <109423@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPro > > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. > > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro icon > > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > > they appear as: > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} > > This is because the data exported fromm Impact (which is in the form of > Impression DDF) is not being converted before being loaded into OPro. > Instead it is being loaded raw. > > Instead of this situation you have to configure things so that all > text files go via the !TransDDF loader. > > To do that a line must be present in the !TransDDF loader !Boot file i.e. > > Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir > > and the !TransDDF loader must be 'seen' or booted before OPro is run. Sorry for the long delay in following this up. I uncommented the line Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir and have all the filters Filer-booted by shift/dragging them to Boot Sequence "Look at". Obviously I am still doing something wrong because I still get the same problem when using Impact/OvationPro, as described originally. Any further suggestions would be gratefully received. In the meantime, I am saving the Impact file as CSV and using OPs excellent merge facilities. David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 20:46:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111350 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 20:46:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943475332:10:05771:17; Wed, 24 Nov 99 20:28:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101010; 24 Nov 99 20:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11130 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:58:22 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11125 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:58:20 GMT Received: from modem-24.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.152] helo=beeston12) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11qiXt-0006dS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:57:41 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:27:27 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RTF file output not possible? Message-ID: <22e6206649%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 14th November I sent a message asking if it is possible using OvationPro to produce, for transfer to another person (via floppy or e-mail) a file in rich Text Format. As I have had no comment back I am beginning to think I must assume this is NOT possible. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: +44 (0)115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 21:18:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111367 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:17:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943478183:10:15322:47; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:16:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015451; 24 Nov 99 21:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11398 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:56:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11393 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:56:04 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.88) [62.188.131.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11qjRe-0001HU-00; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:55:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 20:41:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: RE: AutoSave Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 22 Nov 1999 (09:43:57), michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk wrote: >I've put in a macro and an associated button that sits next to the >other 'save' buttons on the bar. Free to anyone who wants to > e-mail me! > > Richard. > -- > Richard Brock > > >What about sending it to Chris Johnson on the OvnPro Resources site? > >Michael > 'Cause it's not a full blown Applet (I wouldn't know how to put one together!); it's just a one word text file ({flushundobuffer}) which is entered as a button macro and a modified standard 'save' sprite :-) Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 21:59:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111368 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:59:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943480143:10:13068:18; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013013; 24 Nov 99 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11500 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:31 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11492 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:29 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qjok-000KHz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:19:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 20:55:28 GMT Message-Id: <111353@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On 14th November I sent a message asking if it is possible using OvationPro >to produce, for transfer to another person (via floppy or e-mail) a file in >rich Text Format. As I have had no comment back I am beginning to think I >must assume this is NOT possible. Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in the future. As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... MS Word, HTML or XML seem more sensible formats to support. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 21:59:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111369 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:59:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943479406:20:28080:24; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:36:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129309; 24 Nov 99 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11507 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:33 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11498 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qjpQ-000KHz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:19:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 20:55:41 GMT Message-Id: <111355@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I uncommented the line Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir You have to follow it through then. Press F12, and type show FFGServer$TransDDFa so that checks if that varaible is being set. If not back to booting the Transloaders. Now you run OvationPro - even if that means quitting it first. Still no luck? Check that you have the following code in !OvnPro.Autorun.!Custom // if TransDDFa server exists, stop ASCII files from being loaded s="FFGServer$TransDDFa"; if(getenvs(s)) impexbits(0xFFF,1,0); The whole business is the system variable communicating with OvationPro through this bit of code. If you wanted to force it, you could of course remove the first 3 lines of the above code. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 21:59:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111370 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:59:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943480807:10:22130:18; Wed, 24 Nov 99 22:00:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117818; 24 Nov 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11530 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:42 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11521 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:37 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qjpV-000KHz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:19:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:12:36 GMT Message-Id: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I've just noticed the startup banner still says =A9 Beebug Ltd 1998. Not= >a problem as such but I think it should revert to David Pilling. part of their copy protection program. It will only change when I move onto my own registration system. >Sure! And what about adding an impressive splash box in the the likes of >Photodesk or TopModel? Let's set up a competition between Ovation users >for the best banner. Some people won't like the wasted memory though David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 21:59:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111371 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:59:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943480122:20:07156:30; Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:48:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2007097; 24 Nov 99 21:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11525 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11504 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qjpR-000KHz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:19:53 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:01:58 GMT Message-Id: <111357@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OLE bug in version 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I got the same problem a couple of days back, and yes, it was ArtWorks. >I could send you a copy of the file if it would help. I'll have a look at the AW code then. AW files are odd because they can change in size after being loaded... I don't have AW on this machine which makes it difficult for me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 24 22:32:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111381 for opro ; Wed, 24 Nov 99 22:32:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943481677:10:06566:20; Wed, 24 Nov 99 22:14:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006813; 24 Nov 99 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11532 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11515 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qjpU-000KHz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:19:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:10:05 GMT Message-Id: <111361@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Print>select>delete macro? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I use a key macro in order to print a document and then select the current >text - >{printdocument()}{CS_A} >In some cases, it would be useful to have the current text automatically >deleted after the print operation. >{printdocument()}{CS_A}{Copy} Probably something very hairy like, inserting a pause(800) between the {Copy} and the other stuff, and having 'background' printing enabled. I would guess that after the printdocument() command is executed some polling is allowed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 00:11:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111389 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 00:11:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943483417:20:22445:23; Wed, 24 Nov 99 22:43:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022829; 24 Nov 99 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11528 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA11511 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:20:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qjpT-000KHz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 21:19:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 99 21:05:42 GMT Message-Id: <111359@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Label applet closing OvPro down X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Recently I began to try using the !Label applet. The first time I tried it, it >Selecting an address, selecting my new format and clicking on Label in the >applet menu now simply, and without warning, quits Opro. That's it. If an application just quits, no error box, no other signs of distress, I would always suspect the C library is running out of memory. Increase the wimp slot at the end of the !Run file in !OvnPro. This should not be happening, but I can't know what size slot you have at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 00:11:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111391 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 00:11:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943484969:20:12295:25; Wed, 24 Nov 99 23:09:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114056; 24 Nov 99 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12372 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:54:59 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12367 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:54:58 GMT Received: (qmail 21721 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1999 22:54:18 -0000 Received: from userb033.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.71.16) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 1999 22:54:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > >Sure! And what about adding an impressive splash box in the the likes of > >Photodesk or TopModel? Let's set up a competition between Ovation users > >for the best banner. > Some people won't like the wasted memory though > David Pilling Or the wasted time waiting for the banner to damnwell go away. The worst one I've seen on a RO machine is ProArtisan24, just sits there forever like a large boil festering in the middle of my screen... Or maybe it's me festering and boiling waiting for the thing to go away. :-) Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 00:12:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111394 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 00:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943484762:10:25046:18; Wed, 24 Nov 99 23:06:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125600; 24 Nov 99 23:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12259 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:37:53 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12254 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 22:37:49 GMT Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p43-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.138.43]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id LAA28816 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:37:03 +1300 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:17:23 +1300 (BST) From: John Brown Subject: Re: Illegal address ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Nov, David Love wrote to David Pilling: > David your blood is worth bottling. I can now get on with the user > group's latest newsletter without having to type in allcontributions. > Thank you. To be totally irrelevantly relevant I would point out that David Love knows what he is talking about since immediately before retirement he worked for the local Blood Transfusion Service :-) Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: facts *might* just relate to the club. -- J.M.A. Brown |Secretary/Treasurer, Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |For club matters contact me via email if you can Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 01:58:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111399 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 01:58:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943489127:10:22054:20; Thu, 25 Nov 99 00:18:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022747; 25 Nov 99 0:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12719 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:50:04 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12714 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:50:02 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qmA5-000KvI-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:49:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:44:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109842@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 11 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >as you suggest or maybe a place to specify an angle. > > Yes an angle would be the solution. > > > >done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method > >for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. > > Basically this is the fragility of the code for flowing around irregular > shapes yet again. Round cornered frames throwing up some odd cases. > Put it this way I couldn't work on the code and just fix round cornered > frames. I could work on the code and fix everything including round corners. > > >other real disappointment with frames with rounded corners > >is the fact that you can no longer vertically align the text > >within the frame. > > The problem is that although it looks 'obvious' and you could do it by eye, > in reality these things present problems, you can't calculate the text flow, > it has to be calculated tried and then recalculated (possibly many times) - > because the line width will depend on the position of the line, and the > position is going to vary with the vertical justification. > > I suspect what might do, is a rectangular text enclosing inset curve, > inside a round cornered frame. Do you actually want or expect to see > the round corners shape the text? Late response to this last question, but, yes I think that could be useful in certain situations, if, for example, the frame was large and the corners were wide, then text being shaped by the corner would probably be right. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 02:54:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111412 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 02:53:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943497044:20:16469:17; Thu, 25 Nov 99 02:30:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016453; 25 Nov 99 2:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13181 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:00:39 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13176 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 02:00:38 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qoCR-00083p-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 01:59:55 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 01:54:37 GMT Message-Id: <111397@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro web site additions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On the Resource File (library) page, I have updated all the TransLoaders to use the RISC OS 4 compatible version of the !Server program. There are no other changes, so if you've done this upgrade yourself there's nothing to gain by downloading the new files. There is a new archive of documentation and programs which explains how to set up the colour conversion tables used for displaying CMYK colours on screen. By using this you can arrange for results identical to Photodesk, Photoshop or whichever program you feel gets things right. I've also added the file describing the problems encountered with RISC OS 4. (this material is not new). Finally there is a file demonstrating how to use a spell check event to extend the spell checker to deal with compound words split by single quotes. (only of interest to programmers). Turning to the Applets page, there is one new applet - !Custom. The idea of this is to provide a safe place for resources that users want to add to the program. It is supplied with the 'tile_1' sprite which is used to give the window backgrounds in OvationPro 2.55. It won't be supplied with future versions because some people didn't like them. If you do like the new background design then simply install the applet, next time you get a new version of OvationPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:00:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111421 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:00:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943502492:20:17715:18; Thu, 25 Nov 99 04:01:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100623; 25 Nov 99 4:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13450 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:15:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13445 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:15:21 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qpMl-000EG9-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:14:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 03:10:52 GMT Message-Id: <111414@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro web site additions (more) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The Resources area also now has the documentation and program for the large picture support in 2.54 - formerly supplied with OP 2.54. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:00:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111422 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:00:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943512251:10:28703:17; Thu, 25 Nov 99 06:44:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028663; 25 Nov 99 6:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13781 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:12:07 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13776 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:12:05 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id HAA14149 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:11:21 +0100 (MET) Received: from hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11qrux-000JJPC; Thu, 25 Nov 99 06:58 MET Message-ID: <383CD012.7F9BFFBB@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 06:58:43 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tabs References: <111314@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling schrieb: > ISTR there is an example document on the > alternative OPro site Where? URL, please? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From djw@argonet.co.uk Thu Nov 25 13:00:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111425 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:00:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943516751:10:24236:0; Thu, 25 Nov 99 07:59:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115310; 25 Nov 99 7:58 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.181) [62.188.131.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11qtnd-0005Mu-00; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Willington To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:56:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Pamphlet import Message-ID: <4966658287djw@argonet.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: djw@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R Yesterday I dragged an e-mail text file directly into the middle of a pamphlet (OvPro 2.55 on RISC OS 4.02) I was preparing and got some very bad results. It appeared on the screen as page 12, situated between pages 3 and 4 (or thereabouts), but when I tried to print it it "could not be found." Also if I tried to type anything, the cursor promptly jumped to the end of the document. Obviously I will not try this again but it would be nice to have your confirmation of exactly what I did wrong. Thanks, Dave W. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:00:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111426 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:00:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943517512:10:02661:20; Thu, 25 Nov 99 08:11:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127688; 25 Nov 99 8:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA14023 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:55:14 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14018 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:55:12 GMT Received: from loopback (tnt-8-30.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.30]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B1077B063 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:54:24 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Hamilton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 07:53:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OLE bug in version 2.54 Message-ID: <4966652d54Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> In-Reply-To: <111316@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <111316@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <111316@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >There appears to be a minor problem with OLE. If you save back the > >OLE'd object more than once, Ovation crashes with a type 5 error. > This came up a few weeks back. I couldn't reproduce it. The person with > the problem was using ArtWorks - I wonder which program you are using? Tablemate but I tried it with !Paint as well with the same result. -- Ian Hamilton (SA RISC PC 66MB RO4) http://go.to/ian.hamilton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:01:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111429 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:01:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943522310:10:01958:191; Thu, 25 Nov 99 09:31:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004860; 25 Nov 99 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14201 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:08:47 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14196 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:08:46 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 18E4E9B06 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:07:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.3.21 [Linux/i386]); Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:58:51 GMT X-Sender: M.R.Devon@bath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 08:58:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <111353@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >On 14th November I sent a message asking if it is possible using OvationPro > >to produce, for transfer to another person (via floppy or e-mail) a file in > >rich Text Format. As I have had no comment back I am beginning to think I > >must assume this is NOT possible. > > Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in the > future. > > As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... > > MS Word, HTML or XML seem more sensible formats to support. > And Word format is no longer essential, at least in education. QCA, which oversees all the examination boards, has decreed that all documents on web sites are to be in PDF format. Existing Word documents are being removed. Having taken overall charge here, I have removed all the PC cards and had much pleasure in putting the one PC proper in the skip. The quality of work produced and the understanding underlying it has subsequently rocketed. Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:01:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111434 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:01:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943525556:10:26270:69; Thu, 25 Nov 99 10:25:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127220; 25 Nov 99 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14574 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:51:53 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14569 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:51:51 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11qvYP-0008DH-01 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:51:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 09:48:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Tabs Message-ID: <49666fb990C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <383CD012.7F9BFFBB@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> References: <111314@pilling.demon.co.uk> <383CD012.7F9BFFBB@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <383CD012.7F9BFFBB@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>, J. Konietzko wrote: > David Pilling schrieb: > > ISTR there is an example document on the > > alternative OPro site > Where? > URL, please? http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:01:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111436 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:01:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943526015:10:26284:287; Thu, 25 Nov 99 10:33:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000201; 25 Nov 99 10:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA14723 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:07:42 GMT Received: from wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk (eximuser@wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk [131.111.49.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14718 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:07:40 GMT Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by wcse1.phy.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11qvnh-0002sk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:06:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 10:06:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: DDF loader To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <111355@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David, On the subject of the DDF loader, would it be possible for the Ctrl key to work still, when the DDF Transloader is invoked, for non-DDF files? At present, I have a choice - I can either load DDF files with text filetype (nice) or strip CRs using Ctrl on non-DDF files (also nice), but not both. I suppose it would have to be built into the converter itself, so it can tell OPro to strip CRs if it didn't convert the file. Or does OPro already know that because it gets text rather than DDL? If so, then could OPro just check for Ctrl if it doesn't receive a DDL file? Thanks, Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:01:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111445 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:01:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943531831:10:27936:112; Thu, 25 Nov 99 12:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029346; 25 Nov 99 12:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA15059 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:44:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15054 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:44:32 GMT Received: from (62.188.142.27) [62.188.142.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11qxJH-000224-00; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:43:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:42:46 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: !Label applet closing OvPro down Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 24 Nov 1999 (21:05:42), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Increase the wimp slot at the end of the !Run file in !OvnPro. Thank you, that appears to have been the problem; in order to save a few measly kbytes, (I have only 4Mb RAM) I had reduced the wimpslot to 1136k (OvPro seemed to work ok at that) but have now returned it to 1184k. The new label format also works as expected Curiously I discovered, in the course of trying to work out what might be happening, that the following could get the applet to work and not crash OvPro (at the lower wimp slot, that is): Clicking on the applet macro button (or menu entry) _without_ text selected brought up an appropriate error about not working because no text had been selected; selecting text then succesfully ran the app; if it was run again straight away, eg for a second address, _with_ selected text, it crashed as per; but if run again, _without_ selected text, the error box appears again, the second text can now be selected, and the applet runs again succesfully and so on ad infinitum. Furthermore, examination of the DDL file Applets.!Label.Label shewed that after a successful operation it was rewritten as the label chosen, but in the crash case it was there but totally blank Thanks again -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 13:02:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111452 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:02:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943533290:20:17614:33; Thu, 25 Nov 99 12:34:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017828; 25 Nov 99 12:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15122 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:00:49 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15117 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:00:47 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA14890 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:59:59 GMT Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:53:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <111353@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > On 14th November I sent a message asking if it is possible using > > OvationPro to produce, for transfer to another person (via floppy or > > e-mail) a file in rich Text Format. As I have had no comment back I am > > beginning to think I must assume this is NOT possible. > > Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in the > future. > > As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... > > MS Word, HTML or XML seem more sensible formats to support. > That's interesting. On our hospital network (3 major hospitals and 2 or 3 smaller ones) there is increasing use of RTF by people who want to attach Word documents to emails and have to overcome the problems created by there being at least 3 versions of Word in current use. Apparently, people find it easier to save as RTF rather than as Word 6 - the oldest official version. I think a lot of that is down to ignorance of how to save from Word, but that is probably quite common too. -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 14:29:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111472 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:29:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943536391:20:01323:19; Thu, 25 Nov 99 13:26:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115266; 25 Nov 99 13:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA15368 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:57:05 GMT Received: from smtp2.libero.it (smtp2.libero.it [193.70.192.52]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA15361 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 12:56:49 GMT Received: from azzurro71.libero.it (151.20.84.197) by smtp2.libero.it; 25 Nov 1999 13:55:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:56:17 GMT From: Paolo Rossi To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> References: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: ide@rt User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> Dave Symes wrote: > In article <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > [Snip] > > > >Sure! And what about adding an impressive splash box in the the likes of > > >Photodesk or TopModel? Let's set up a competition between Ovation users > > >for the best banner. > > > Some people won't like the wasted memory though > > David Pilling > > Or the wasted time waiting for the banner to damnwell go away. OvationPro needs several seconds to load, especially when it has to load a number of applets. There's all the time to display a banner and for the users to read it. A nice banner could make this waiting sweeter. However, it would be possible to give the choice of not showing it. Cheers Paolo Rossi -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 14:29:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111474 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:29:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943539501:20:20024:31; Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:18:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019938; 25 Nov 99 14:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15627 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:48:48 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15622 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:48:45 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust60.tnt2.rtm1.nl.uu.net [212.153.210.60] with SMTP for id OAA07115 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:47:49 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <005101bf374b$e87156c0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:47:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >On 14th November I sent a message asking if it is possible using OvationPro > >to produce, for transfer to another person (via floppy or e-mail) a file in > >rich Text Format. As I have had no comment back I am beginning to think I > >must assume this is NOT possible. > > Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in the > future. > > As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... > > MS Word, HTML or XML seem more sensible formats to support. > Microsoft TechNet offers the latest updates, news, drivers etc. etc. on CDs for MS products on a monthly base. If you want to save articles from Microsoft TechNet Knowledge Base from October 1999 MS offers you the formats Word6, RTF and ASCII ... I like RTF: it can be used on more than one platform, is editable and preserves a lot of the layout. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 14:59:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111480 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:59:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943541402:10:21196:74; Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:50:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117122; 25 Nov 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15749 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:31:29 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15744 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:31:27 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qzut-00062v-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:30:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:16:24 GMT Message-Id: <111465@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: DDF loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(nice) or strip CRs using Ctrl on non-DDF files (also nice), but not both. I >suppose it would have to be built into the converter itself, so it can tell Yes the convertor would have to be tweeked to strip CR's. It passes DDL on to OPro, so at that stage there's not a lot that can be done. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 16:50:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111484 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 16:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943542585:10:09048:61; Thu, 25 Nov 99 15:09:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007082; 25 Nov 99 15:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15819 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:44:33 GMT Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15814 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:44:31 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-105.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.105]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA01682 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:43:36 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:34:39 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Cropping/Image position printing problem (Turbo Drivers?) Message-ID: <966f846649%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All, I've had this usually-not-noticable problem for a while: when printing to an HP6L laser printer, via TurboDirver v4.07, on an A7000+, the OP page contents are shifted about 3mm to the right _before_ cropping. Cropping is correct relative to the edge of the physical paper. To be clear about this - the effect is that things displyed on screen within the print boudary (on the white bit) get clipped as they are moved 3mm right if they sneak outside the prited boundary. Conversely, things on the screen which are outside the printed area of the page to the left appear on the actual print out. I would venture to guess the following... It's not a printer definition problem since the on-screen display differs from the output. It's probably TurboDrivers since they seem to mess everything up (except they give me brilliant control over the dot screen line ruling which I need). There's probably a variable in CCPrefix or the like which sets this and needs tweaking but I'm darned if I know which one and what units it might be in! Can you help? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 16:50:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111485 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 16:50:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943542829:10:17194:22; Thu, 25 Nov 99 15:13:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114272; 25 Nov 99 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15755 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:31:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15750 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:31:32 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11qzuw-00062v-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 14:30:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:21:28 GMT Message-Id: <111469@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Label applet closing OvPro down X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Curiously I discovered, in the course of trying to work out what might be >happening, that the following could get the applet to work Well its in the hands of the C library. There is a fixed amount of memory between the top of OPro and the wimp slot which it can use. The script language file handling functions (which the label applet use), use the C library file functions, every time you open a file about 4K of memory is needed. All other file handling in OPro is done using its own functions. The point being that how much free memory there is at a certain time will depend on the history of what C functions have been called, how much stack has been allocated and so on. (and yes I do know I could let C expand its memory allocation automatically, but it would upset my memory manager, I'd rather remove the last few uses of the C library) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 16:52:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111487 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 16:52:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943543907:10:03335:28; Thu, 25 Nov 99 15:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001954; 25 Nov 99 15:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15949 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:01:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15943 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:01:05 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11r0Nc-000KzJ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 15:00:16 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 14:55:27 GMT Message-Id: <111477@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Microsoft TechNet offers the latest updates, news, drivers etc. etc. on CDs >for MS products on a monthly base. >If you want to save articles from Microsoft TechNet Knowledge Base from >October 1999 MS offers you the formats Word6, RTF and ASCII ... >I like RTF: it can be used on more than one platform, is editable and >preserves a lot of the layout. speaking as a programmer I loath RTF, its a complete mess, and seems to have been made up as they went along. When I did do some work on it, a few years back it seemed that RTF from different programs although 'legal' was not compatible. I do believe that in the future HTML/XML is going to be much more important. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 18:05:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111497 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 18:05:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943550841:20:25759:62; Thu, 25 Nov 99 17:27:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125630; 25 Nov 99 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16513 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:05:05 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16508 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 17:05:03 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24132 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:04:00 +0100 Message-Id: <199911251704.SAA24132@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 25 Nov 1999 09:59:34 GMT Subject: Re: What's so terrible about being alone? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >Still nattering about the subject of user dictionaries: I found a text file (from >the German government) on the Net listing all the words with changed spelling - >and a lot which haven't changed. >As this is just 12000 words big I felt that an Ovation Learning Marathon should be >feasible. >And so it was, with one exception: >The list contained the word "solo" (alone); when the spell checker (which already >contained the word "Solo" (music for one musician)) reached this line, Ovation >crashed.. > OP should not crash, but it would not be able to check the spelling anyway, would it? Even if it would accept both "Solo" and "solo" in the dictionary You would still have to decide which was correct in that context. Regarding german dictionaries: In late '98 I took a stab at ispell's hk-deutsch dictionary but that was pre-reform then and I was advised to leave the dict. alone. I always flet a bit sorry about the current german dict. as it represents something UCS bought back in ~93. But as long as I can't come up with an improvement (i.e. reform compliancy) things won't change. (Anyone correct me? Point me to a free source... presto it's in the next release...) With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 19:30:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111503 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:30:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943556535:10:12413:18; Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:02:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012395; 25 Nov 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16737 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:28:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16732 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:28:45 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11r3cY-000LsO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:27:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 18:13:10 GMT Message-Id: <111500@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: What's so terrible about being alone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >would it? Even if it would accept both "Solo" and "solo" in the dictionary If you put in 'solo' then 'Solo' is also accepted as correct. >Regarding german dictionaries Presumeably if someone has a document with the old and new spellings in this update can be done automatically. I don't want to not be a 'team player' here. But I'm inclined to stick some dictionaries on the web site. Someone just gave me a big Italian dictionary. And I have a German dictionary which Alex Baer made - we had visions of a German version of Spell, thats all in the past now. Meanwhile the GAG seem to have their own freely available dictionary, which Beebug used for Sleuth. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 19:30:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111504 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:30:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943556627:10:14149:18; Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:03:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120607; 25 Nov 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16773 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:36:00 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16768 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:35:58 GMT Received: (qmail 4002 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1999 18:35:07 -0000 Received: from userao69.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.135.185) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1999 18:35:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:31:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <49669f91c4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> References: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13d (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it>, Paolo Rossi wrote: [Snip] > OvationPro needs several seconds to load, especially when it has to load > a number of applets. There's all the time to display a banner and for > the users to read it. A nice banner could make this waiting sweeter. > However, it would be possible to give the choice of not showing it. > Cheers > Paolo Rossi You must be using a different version of Ovation Pro to mine... it takes 18 seconds from clicks to icon bar on this SARPC. Goodness me that's nearly a third of a minute... no wonder my life is vanishing fast... every time I boot up OvPro I waste a third of a minute of my life... ;-) Publisher takes 5 seconds BTW. And dear old Word 97 on a 400Mhz PC takes... 20 seconds WordPro Millennium edition takes 6 seconds. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 20:25:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111510 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 20:25:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943558344:10:12957:18; Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:32:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124696; 25 Nov 99 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16875 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:55:32 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA16870 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:55:30 GMT Received: from 10004784 (man-a143.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.143]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA09563 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:54:39 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:07:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? Message-ID: <49669d6f38dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in the > future. > > As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... > > MS Word, HTML or XML seem more sensible formats to support. > The most sensible format to my mind, would be EasiWriter/Techwriter. Not only could you reasonably expect some cooperation regarding the format structure itself, but those with both packages would then be able to take advantage of the far wider scope of import/export facilities offered by EW/TW. While not a complete solution, it could offer some breathing space for the sake of writing one conversion. It would also begin to address one of my main bugbears, the lack of facilities to move data between ROS WP/DTP applications, without losing most formatting information. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 20:25:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111512 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 20:25:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943559413:20:10959:66; Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:50:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112259; 25 Nov 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:34:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17136 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:34:19 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.171) [62.188.131.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11r4dz-0005Bl-00; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:33:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:24:08 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Print>select>delete macro? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 24 Nov 1999 (21:10:05), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >Probably something very hairy like, inserting a > >pause(800) > >between the {Copy} and the other stuff, and having 'background' >printing enabled. I would guess that after the printdocument() >command is executed some polling is allowed. > Thanks David. In fact, when I tried this, the original text was replaced with 'pause800'. So I tried my original string again - and this time it worked exactly as I had wanted. (Great, and bother/sorry for wasting your time!) Richard -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 21:32:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111530 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 21:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943562757:20:16235:23; Thu, 25 Nov 99 20:45:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015899; 25 Nov 99 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA17401 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:28:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA17396 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:28:14 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11r5TN-0007Sl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:26:33 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 99 19:32:44 GMT Message-Id: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >You must be using a different version of Ovation Pro to mine... it takes >18 seconds from clicks to icon bar on this SARPC. 8 seconds on mine with 13 applets, thats RISC OS 4 running from an IDE drive. I have heard it said that RISC OS 4 is faster at scanning directories so tends to allow faster loading with lots of applets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 22:56:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111536 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 22:56:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943565903:20:16128:20; Thu, 25 Nov 99 21:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015993; 25 Nov 99 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17697 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:24:14 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17692 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:24:13 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11r6MK-000InI-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:23:20 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:11:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: MKK To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The new multimedia keyboard from Cerilica has hotkey buttons which I am delighted about. In all applications I have tried, the hotkeys work despite whatever has the input focus. However, this does not seem to be true for Ovation Pro. Do you know, David, of any reason why this might be? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 22:56:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111537 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 22:56:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943565743:10:02363:17; Thu, 25 Nov 99 21:35:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002304; 25 Nov 99 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17619 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:05:30 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17614 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:05:29 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11r64D-000Hmm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:04:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 20:17:24 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <084fa96649.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> In-Reply-To: <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> Paolo Rossi wrote: > In message <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> > Dave Symes wrote: > > > In article <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > > David Pilling wrote: > > > > [Snip] > > > > > >Sure! And what about adding an impressive splash box in the the likes of > > > >Photodesk or TopModel? Let's set up a competition between Ovation users > > > >for the best banner. > > > > > Some people won't like the wasted memory though > > > David Pilling > > > > Or the wasted time waiting for the banner to damnwell go away. > > OvationPro needs several seconds to load, especially when it has to load > a number of applets. There's all the time to display a banner and for > the users to read it. A nice banner could make this waiting sweeter. > However, it would be possible to give the choice of not showing it. What we need here then, is a Java extension. No, not the programming language. Mine's with, no sugar. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 22:56:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111542 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 22:56:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943570151:20:27830:41; Thu, 25 Nov 99 22:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124161; 25 Nov 99 22:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17994 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:34:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17989 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:34:31 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.13) [62.188.144.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11r7SL-0002V4-00; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:33:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:25:00 GMT From: Dave Dunn To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: References: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> <49669f91c4dfs@u In-Reply-To: <49669f91c4dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: 1st Impressions User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49669f91c4dfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: > In article <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it>, > Paolo Rossi wrote: > > [Snip] > > > OvationPro needs several seconds to load, especially when it has to load > > a number of applets. There's all the time to display a banner and for > > the users to read it. A nice banner could make this waiting sweeter. > > However, it would be possible to give the choice of not showing it. > > > > Cheers > > > Paolo Rossi > > You must be using a different version of Ovation Pro to mine... it takes > 18 seconds from clicks to icon bar on this SARPC. > Goodness me that's nearly a third of a minute... no wonder my life is > vanishing fast... every time I boot up OvPro I waste a third of a minute > of my life... ;-) I would imagine that the applets are the main variant in different loading times. Mine loads in 8 seconds with 13 applets. > Publisher takes 5 seconds BTW. > And dear old Word 97 on a 400Mhz PC takes... 20 seconds > WordPro Millennium edition takes 6 seconds. And do you really use all of those? At the same time? The word ambidextrous is inadequate methinks.... ;-) -- Dave Dunn A.I. for RO4 in Lincs 01775 750535 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 25 22:56:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111543 for opro ; Thu, 25 Nov 99 22:56:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943569242:10:26820:17; Thu, 25 Nov 99 22:34:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026799; 25 Nov 99 22:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17836 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:04:27 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17831 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 1999 22:04:25 GMT Received: (qmail 5668 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1999 22:03:32 -0000 Received: from userd049.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.109.252) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 1999 22:03:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 21:28:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4966afd9c9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >You must be using a different version of Ovation Pro to mine... it takes > >18 seconds from clicks to icon bar on this SARPC. > 8 seconds on mine with 13 applets, thats RISC OS 4 running from an IDE > drive. > I have heard it said that RISC OS 4 is faster at scanning directories so > tends to allow faster loading with lots of applets. > David Pilling Mmnnn... Suppose I should have said.. 40 Applets... SARPC on RO4... Mind you I can't remember what three quarters of them do, let alone which ones are really required...'Cos I seem to have lost the plot somewhere. Yes folks... before you write... I do know I can look inside each applet at the Info and help files to refresh my memory. Unfortunately, if I can't afford to wait 18 seconds for it to load... I most certainly don't have time to rummage through 30 applets... do I. Hey... I've just had a thought... Hallelugah a miracle... :-) The application !Applets, the OVPro applet manager. If it could also read the "info:" line in the !Info file inside each applet, then as well as the version numbers it could show that line and we'd know what the applet was for. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 13:59:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111558 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 13:59:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943587580:20:28529:17; Fri, 26 Nov 99 03:39:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120258; 26 Nov 99 3:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA18669 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 03:24:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18664 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 03:24:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11rByQ-000IoV-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 03:23:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 99 02:04:01 GMT Message-Id: <111549@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: MKK X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The new multimedia keyboard from Cerilica has hotkey buttons >which I am delighted about. In all applications I have >tried, the hotkeys work despite whatever has the input focus. >However, this does not seem to be true for Ovation Pro. >Do you know, David, of any reason why this might be? Oh yes, a whole module full of reasons - UniversalKeyboard. How about Techwriter which uses the same module? No doubt I'll sort it out in due course when it becomes apparent what the problem is. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 14:00:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111563 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 14:00:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943611699:10:01339:49; Fri, 26 Nov 99 10:21:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004529; 26 Nov 99 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA19324 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:51:55 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19319 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:51:53 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-117.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.117]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09866 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:50:54 GMT Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 09:51:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Startup Banner To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > >You must be using a different version of Ovation Pro to mine... it takes > >18 seconds from clicks to icon bar on this SARPC. > > 8 seconds on mine with 13 applets, thats RISC OS 4 running from an IDE drive. > > I have heard it said that RISC OS 4 is faster at scanning directories > so tends to allow faster loading with lots of applets. > 9 seconds here with 23 applets (really must do a bit of weeding) and an 'Awesome' IDE card. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 14:25:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111581 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 14:25:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943625883:20:14136:17; Fri, 26 Nov 99 14:18:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2115680; 26 Nov 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19929 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:01:43 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19924 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:01:42 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11rLvM-0000CY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 14:00:34 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 13:57:46 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4a630a6749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966afd9c9dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4966afd9c9dfs@ukgateway.net> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4966afd9c9dfs@ukgateway.net>, you wrote: > The application !Applets, the OVPro applet manager. If it could also read > the "info:" line in the !Info file inside each applet, then as well as the > version numbers it could show that line and we'd know what the applet was > for. It can - click menu over the applet you're interested in and select 'Info' et voila :-) John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 19:09:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111598 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 19:09:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943637566:20:09731:19; Fri, 26 Nov 99 17:32:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106790; 26 Nov 99 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20352 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:16:34 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20347 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:16:33 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.87]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04566 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 25 Nov, Dave wrote: > > On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Correct, it is not possible. And is not likely to be possible in the > > future. > > > > As far as I can tell RTF is a dead format, thats what MS say... > > > > MS Word, HTML or XML seem more sensible formats to support. > > > The most sensible format to my mind, would be EasiWriter/Techwriter. Not > only could you reasonably expect some cooperation regarding the format > structure itself, but those with both packages would then be able to take > advantage of the far wider scope of import/export facilities offered by > EW/TW. While not a complete solution, it could offer some breathing space > for the sake of writing one conversion. It would also begin to address one > of my main bugbears, the lack of facilities to move data between ROS WP/DTP > applications, without losing most formatting information. > The problem with this, though, is that TW is so object oriented that no-one knows the native file format: it is not formally defined. The best way to get stuff into TW is html, Impression DDF or Word 6 (or later). Perhaps Icon could be persuaded to support OvPro DDL, although this is much more sophisticated than the Impression one. (In fact, I can't see the difference between docs saved as native OvPro, or OvPro DDL - I've used this to rescue corrupted docs on occaision.) I suspect that they have not done it because David and/or Bob think they are in competition. Judging by the number of people on both lists, this assumption would appear to be false. I certainly use both regularly. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 19:09:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111600 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 19:09:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943638366:20:19401:18; Fri, 26 Nov 99 17:46:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019116; 26 Nov 99 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20345 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:16:32 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20340 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:16:31 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.87]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.9.3/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA04540 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Some people won't like the wasted memory though > Which people are they? :-) Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones likely to care)? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 19:10:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111604 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 19:10:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943641840:10:20904:17; Fri, 26 Nov 99 18:44:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121499; 26 Nov 99 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20638 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:23:38 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20633 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:23:35 GMT Received: (qmail 25216 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1999 18:22:30 -0000 Received: from usern208.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.241) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1999 18:22:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 08:02:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4966e9dc27dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: <111363@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966336ab2dfs@ukgateway.net> <916a866649.prossi@azzurro71.libero.it> <49669f91c4dfs@u User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dave Dunn wrote: > > In message <49669f91c4dfs@ukgateway.net> you wrote: [Snip] > > Publisher takes 5 seconds BTW. > > > And dear old Word 97 on a 400Mhz PC takes... 20 seconds > > WordPro Millennium edition takes 6 seconds. > And do you really use all of those? At the same time? The word > ambidextrous is inadequate methinks.... ;-) Wonderful observation Dave... Now if I was a Kali or Siva.... Ah! Only wish I could... think of the work I'd get through. :-) Though I sometimes am using OvPro on the SARPC and doing something on the PC as well...Obviously not exactly at the same time... I have a swivel chair and with both machines running, work on them alternately. For example... It's most useful when Browsing/Download from the Net on the PC (oh the interminable waiting...) to turn and carry on with something productive on the SARPC. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 21:22:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111610 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 21:22:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943643595:20:25228:17; Fri, 26 Nov 99 19:13:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025192; 26 Nov 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA20730 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:34:13 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20725 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:34:11 GMT Received: from man-a198 (man-a198.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.198]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA18596 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 18:33:07 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 17:57:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <4967205409dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > On Thu 25 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > 9 seconds here with 23 applets (really must do a bit of weeding) and an > 'Awesome' IDE card. It takes 26 seconds here, with 53 applets being loaded. Obviously I never use all 53 at once, but while applets remain undynamic there's little option other than to hold multiple copies of OP on the hard disk, each for a different purpose as I do use all the applets sometimes. Why can't applets be made dynamic? I've always found this one of the more annoying aspects of the package. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 26 21:22:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111613 for opro ; Fri, 26 Nov 99 21:22:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943644397:20:03677:18; Fri, 26 Nov 99 19:26:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112523; 26 Nov 99 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA20856 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:12:13 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20851 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:12:12 GMT Received: (qmail 12399 invoked from network); 26 Nov 1999 19:11:07 -0000 Received: from userbh71.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.143.36) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 1999 19:11:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:07:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <496726c72adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <4a630a6749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4966afd9c9dfs@ukgateway.net> <4a630a6749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4a630a6749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew wrote: > In message <4966afd9c9dfs@ukgateway.net>, you wrote: > > The application !Applets, the OVPro applet manager. If it could also > > read the "info:" line in the !Info file inside each applet, then as > > well as the version numbers it could show that line and we'd know what > > the applet was for. > It can - click menu over the applet you're interested in and select > 'Info' et voila :-) > John Oh sugar... (originally that was something else). ;-) Thanks John, not a lot of people know that... well I obviously didn't. Exceedingly useful. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 27 01:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111621 for opro ; Sat, 27 Nov 99 01:34:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943653329:20:05801:22; Fri, 26 Nov 99 21:55:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005777; 26 Nov 99 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21336 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:28:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21331 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:28:18 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.10) [193.149.83.10] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11rStc-0004Vi-00; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:27:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 19:31:41 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Message-ID: <496728F559%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Wed 24 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > Some people won't like the wasted memory though > Which people are they? :-) Me for one. ;-) The only reason I have 34Mb in my RPC is to use the PC-card. IME many modern M$ programs are much slower than their DOS ancestors despite the newer m/c being very much faster. I hope RO prog's are not going the same way. > Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones likely > to care)? Argh! I thought this M$ mentality wasn't prevalent in the RO world. ;-) -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Please logoff. System maintenance about to begin... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 27 01:34:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111620 for opro ; Sat, 27 Nov 99 01:34:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943652987:10:26530:39; Fri, 26 Nov 99 21:49:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129673; 26 Nov 99 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21367 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:35:14 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21362 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:35:12 GMT Received: from sarpc (dynip31 [129.69.189.31]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA28777 for In-Reply-To: <4967205409dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> References: <111508@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4967205409dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13f (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4967205409dave@tfalbb.freeuk.com>, Dave wrote: > In article , > Alf Chamings wrote: > > On Thu 25 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > 9 seconds here with 23 applets (really must do a bit of weeding) > > and an 'Awesome' IDE card. > It takes 26 seconds here, with 53 applets being loaded. Hehe, I feel that I /have/ to post here as well. ;-) For me it takes 15 seconds with 73 applets of which 12 are inactivated ATM. This is with a Risc PC equipped with a StrongARM and RISC OS 4.02. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://www.sbellon.de/ 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 27 01:34:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111622 for opro ; Sat, 27 Nov 99 01:34:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943653946:20:11428:19; Fri, 26 Nov 99 22:05:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128792; 26 Nov 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21410 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:37:57 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21405 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:37:55 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11rT2w-000LMw-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 26 Nov 1999 21:36:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 20:32:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: MKK To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <111549@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 26 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >The new multimedia keyboard from Cerilica has hotkey buttons > >which I am delighted about. In all applications I have > >tried, the hotkeys work despite whatever has the input focus. > >However, this does not seem to be true for Ovation Pro. > >Do you know, David, of any reason why this might be? > > > Oh yes, a whole module full of reasons - UniversalKeyboard. How about > Techwriter which uses the same module? I don't possess it. > > No doubt I'll sort it out in due course when it becomes apparent > what the problem is. Well I would appreciate it very much. > -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 29 17:00:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111702 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 17:00:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943733567:20:09981:1; Sat, 27 Nov 99 20:12:47 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.212]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009874; 27 Nov 99 20:12 GMT Received: from modem-110.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.17.110] helo=celtania) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11roCy-00048K-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:12:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 20:12:01 GMT From: Roger Morris To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: styles in mailmerge macros Message-ID: <037db06749.roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R Fun with mailmerge and mailmerge macros fields. Given that csv file field(6) may contain a telephone number (say "123456") the OvP merge field can be "tel 123456" or null by using {if (field(6)>"") macv=("tel "+field(6)); else macv=""} But is it possible to put "tel" in a different style? -- Roger Morris From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 17:01:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111722 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 17:01:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943867645:20:23568:17; Mon, 29 Nov 99 09:27:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023295; 29 Nov 99 9:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27139 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:05:17 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27134 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:05:15 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA10719 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:05:09 GMT Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 09:05:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 26 Nov, Steve Ellacott wrote: > > The problem with this, though, is that TW is so object oriented that no-one > knows the native file format: it is not formally defined. The best way to get > stuff into TW is html, Impression DDF or Word 6 (or later). Perhaps Icon > could be persuaded to support OvPro DDL, although this is much more > sophisticated than the Impression one. (In fact, I can't see the difference > between docs saved as native OvPro, or OvPro DDL - I've used this to > rescue corrupted docs on occaision.) > > I suspect that they have not done it because David and/or Bob think they > are in competition. Judging by the number of people on both lists, this > assumption would appear to be false. I certainly use both regularly. > So do I but, good though Easiwriter is, I would not have bought it if OvPro had had good Word and HTML conversion both because I had OvPro first and because I need its dtp capabilities. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, EH3 9YW, UK tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 17:01:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111733 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 17:01:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943890358:20:06052:80; Mon, 29 Nov 99 15:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006826; 29 Nov 99 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA27963 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:15:39 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA27958 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:15:37 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA21952 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:15:29 GMT Message-ID: <384298CB.B5A662B8@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:16:27 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading computers (was Startup Banner) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I use an A3010 (4 megs ram 320 meg HD). But I am saving up. Hope to have an RS7500 shortly after xmas. Has anyone tried Ov Pro on this system. If so how is it. Also (now comply off topic does RiScript pro work on the RS7500? I can not get it to work on my A3010). Steve Ellacott wrote: > > On Fri 26 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > > > > > Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones likely > > > to care)? > > Argh! I thought this M$ mentality wasn't prevalent in the RO world. ;-) > > > > This was meant as a genuine question. I only got rid of my original 1987 > vintage Archimedes 440 a year or two back, and then I sold it. If there are a > lot of such owners about, then their wishes should be considered -- at least > the banner should be made configurable. If not, then the memory argument is > spurious -- for whatever reason Mike, you *do* have 34Mb. > > If as we all hope RISCOS is to break out of irs ghetto, it is important > that out products not only have professional features, but also *look* > professional. I don't think this means selling out to Windows style > bloatware - the whole RISC philosophy is against this. And it is not > necessary. Many palmtops are rejecting Windows CE because a cut down > Windows is virtually useless. They are turning to EPOCH which is a RISC style > OS. On the other hand 'big' Windows - Windows NT or 2000 - is becoming so > bloated as to be almost unusable. Byzantium did not last forever. > > Steve > > -- > Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, > University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK > Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 > Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 > WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 17:02:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111740 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 17:01:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943872126:10:03961:40; Mon, 29 Nov 99 10:42:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129676; 29 Nov 99 10:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27383 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:19:55 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27378 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:19:53 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk ([195.184.224.216]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA08007 for Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 26 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > > Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones likely > > to care)? > Argh! I thought this M$ mentality wasn't prevalent in the RO world. ;-) > This was meant as a genuine question. I only got rid of my original 1987 vintage Archimedes 440 a year or two back, and then I sold it. If there are a lot of such owners about, then their wishes should be considered -- at least the banner should be made configurable. If not, then the memory argument is spurious -- for whatever reason Mike, you *do* have 34Mb. If as we all hope RISCOS is to break out of irs ghetto, it is important that out products not only have professional features, but also *look* professional. I don't think this means selling out to Windows style bloatware - the whole RISC philosophy is against this. And it is not necessary. Many palmtops are rejecting Windows CE because a cut down Windows is virtually useless. They are turning to EPOCH which is a RISC style OS. On the other hand 'big' Windows - Windows NT or 2000 - is becoming so bloated as to be almost unusable. Byzantium did not last forever. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 17:02:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111746 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 17:02:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943889659:10:15075:1384; Mon, 29 Nov 99 15:34:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101461; 29 Nov 99 15:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27891 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:57:19 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f141.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.141]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27886 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:57:17 GMT Received: (qmail 54294 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 1999 14:56:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19991129145637.54293.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.44.37.66 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 06:56:37 PST X-Originating-IP: [195.44.37.66] From: "Jonathan Overett" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 14:56:37 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > Some people won't like the wasted memory though >Which people are they? :-) > >Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones likely >to care)? Yes - I still struggle with an A3020 which takes just over a minute to load OvPro! So something rather more attractive than the current pair of grey boxes would be nice and needn't take up huge amounts of memory since it surely doesn't have to be part of the actual program? Jonathan ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 20:46:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111803 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 20:46:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943905434:20:04959:28; Mon, 29 Nov 99 19:57:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104744; 29 Nov 99 19:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA28702 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:23:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28697 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:23:56 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11sWOn-00023X-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 19:23:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 18:40:52 GMT Message-Id: <111781@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Startup Banner X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes - I still struggle with an A3020 which takes just over a minute to load >OvPro! IMHO one feature of the last year has been the rapid decline in the number of users with 'old' machines i.e. A440's etc. I would assume that is due to the number of RISC PC's which have been 'dumped', there are plenty at low prices in the small ads. Another effect will have been the low prices of PC's - and the need for 'net software. Not that I'm about to do this, but I guess producing software on 1.6Mb discs or that won't run on 4Mb machines or on less than RISC OS 3.50 would be viable. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 21:22:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111817 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 21:22:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943909507:20:02183:32; Mon, 29 Nov 99 21:05:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119404; 29 Nov 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28951 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:48:36 GMT Received: from norwegia.access.ch (norwegia.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28946 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:48:34 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-44.access.ch [212.161.129.236]) by norwegia.access.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08459 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:48:17 +0100 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:46:54 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Startup Banner To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve, Sorry, I could not resist On Mon 29 Nov, Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Fri 26 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > > > > > Are there many OvPro users with pre-RiscPC machines (the only ones likely > > > to care)? > > Argh! I thought this M$ mentality wasn't prevalent in the RO world. ;-) > > > > This was meant as a genuine question. I only got rid of my original 1987 > vintage Archimedes 440 a year or two back, and then I sold it. What a shame. I still have mine for demo to friends etc. And sometimes they are allowed to use it for a limited period. The general end result is that they do *NOT* buy a Windoze PC! How come? And at times I too still use my 440/1. And am ):-)) Regards JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 22:57:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111828 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:56:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943912803:20:20208:19; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:00:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125539; 29 Nov 99 21:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29084 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:38:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29077 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:38:07 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11sYUd-000LPg-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:37:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 21:28:34 GMT Message-Id: <111821@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: mail merge styles (was reply to private mail) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Fun with mailmerge and mailmerge macros fields. >Given that csv file field(6) may contain a telephone number (say >"123456") the OvP merge field can be "tel 123456" or null by using > {if (field(6)>"") macv=("tel "+field(6)); else macv=""} >But is it possible to put "tel" in a different style? No. But I think there may be a trick. Suppose you invented another field, and in the document applied a style to it. That field would then be set to 'Tel' when needed. Sort of {add style}[merge 7]{remove style}[merge 6] where Merge 6 is {if (field(6)!="") macv=field(6); else macv=""} // or left blank and Merge 7 is {if (field(6)!="") macv="tel "; else macv=""} David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 22:57:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111832 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:57:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943913293:10:15925:23; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016039; 29 Nov 99 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29089 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:38:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29083 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:38:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11sYUf-000LPg-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:37:57 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 21:31:14 GMT Message-Id: <111823@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Dutch Dictionary (was private email) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign >dictionaries on your web site. >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the >dictionary are available on the following address: > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a point on >the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the !HyphDict. For >normal use you have to remove the point. >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of words of >the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required by the Dutch >and Belgian government. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 22:57:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111839 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:57:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943915244:10:13729:23; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:40:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013935; 29 Nov 99 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29280 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:12:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29275 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:12:00 GMT Received: from (193.149.74.207) [193.149.74.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11sZ1N-0005Mn-00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:11:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:39:57 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.50 Subject: Re: Startup Banner Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 29 Nov 1999 (18:40:52), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >Not that I'm about to do this, but I guess producing software on 1.6Mb >discs or that won't run on 4Mb machines or on less than RISC OS 3.50 >would be viable. Not just yet please ;-) We switch stuff about between a Risc PC, an A5000 and an A310 according to who started the work in the first place but may want it printed more quickly. This is at home. In school we are still using A3020's in some classes as our replace rate is only two machines a year, maximum. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 29 23:10:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111849 for opro ; Mon, 29 Nov 99 23:10:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943916363:20:09247:20; Mon, 29 Nov 99 22:59:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008628; 29 Nov 99 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29537 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:43:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29532 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:43:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.101) [193.149.78.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11sZWA-0006Fi-00; Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:43:35 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:48:11 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF file output not possible? Message-ID: <4968BB7878%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alf Chamings wrote: > So do I but, good though Easiwriter is, I would not have bought it if OvPro > had had good Word and HTML conversion both because I had OvPro first and > because I need its dtp capabilities. I believe in using the best tool designed to perform a specific task. I use EW+ for structured doc's & letters, OPro for DTP & Zap for HTML. IME any app which tries to be all things to all ppl rarely does any of them very well. Which, IMO, is why Word is such an appalling mess. -- Mik Towse * mik.towse@xemik.com * http://www.xemik.com/ Knowledge without common sense is folly -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 13:38:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111872 for opro ; Tue, 30 Nov 99 13:38:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943954131:20:16647:39; Tue, 30 Nov 99 09:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127175; 30 Nov 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA30576 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:46:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA30571 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:46:17 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11siv9-0006d4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 08:45:59 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:28:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Dutch Dictionary To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <111823@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling quoted: > >I did read in the mailing list that you plan to put some foreign > >dictionaries on your web site. > > >There is also a recent Dutch dictionary available. The files for the > >dictionary are available on the following address: > > ftp://ftp.tue.nl/pub/tex/GB95/spell-nl-v5b/woorden/latin1/ > > > woorden.min 130.623 words 1.30 Mb > > woorden.med 173.762 words 1.73 Mb > > woor-den.max 222.872 words 3.06 Mb in OvationPro 743 K > > >The files are text files. In the file woor-den.max the words have a point on > >the place for the hyphen. This file can also be used for the !HyphDict. For > >normal use you have to remove the point. > > >This list is also used for 'the groene boekje', the official list of words of > >the Nederlandse Taalunie, with the spelling changes, required by the Dutch > >and Belgian government. I'm using this list in Ovation already. I wonder whether it would be possible to get the same list in an Impression spelling checker. I do use that one with StrongEd and it it is nice to have an up to date spelling checker there as well. I apologise for the off topic character of this message. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 13:38:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111874 for opro ; Tue, 30 Nov 99 13:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943955859:20:17487:32; Tue, 30 Nov 99 09:57:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017279; 30 Nov 99 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA30744 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:37:32 GMT Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA30738 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 09:37:28 GMT Received: from xtr474144.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.149.189]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19991130094120.BZUG1752249.mta2-rme@xtr474144.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:41:20 +1300 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:07:28 +1300 (BST) From: Rob Sinclair Subject: Inserting Dingbats with Find & Replace To: OP list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have an Ovation Pro document consisting of a list of items in 3 columns. It has been imported from a PC OCR package and each line (item) is a new paragraph. I need to insert 3 check boxes at the beginning of each line - these boxes are Digbats (Selwyn) characters ASCII 111. The document font is Homerton. First I tried Search & Replace, thinking I could replace all 'New Paragraph' with 'New Paragraph' 'Alt 111' 'Alt 111' 'Alt 111' in Dingbats font. But it seems impossible to specify the font using this method. In the end I inserted the characters in the first line, then laboriously copied them to the several hundred other lines. Is there another way? Rob -- Rob Sinclair Sherwood Solutions - Large Format Digital Graphics PO Box 5559, Papanui, Christchurch, New Zealand -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 17:48:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111894 for opro ; Tue, 30 Nov 99 17:48:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943983809:20:21949:29; Tue, 30 Nov 99 17:43:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021718; 30 Nov 99 17:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31619 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:05:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA31614 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:05:29 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11sqi6-000PQA-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:05:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 14:59:32 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Inserting Dingbats with Find & Replace Message-ID: <0d631f6949.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Rob Sinclair wrote: > First I tried Search & Replace, but it seems impossible to specify the font > using this method. The OvPro Search and replace doesn't let you specify any styles or effects. However, there is an applet called SRWE (search and replace with effect) that lets you do precisely this. Admittedly too late, next time you could use this by defining a style that just applied the Dingbats font, then do a replace that applied this style to the replaced text. I think SRWE is on the OvPro website or the resources site (possibly both!). John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 19:09:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111918 for opro ; Tue, 30 Nov 99 19:09:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943984257:10:08101:221; Tue, 30 Nov 99 17:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109066; 30 Nov 99 17:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31581 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:57:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31576 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:57:25 GMT Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11sqaL-000LVV-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:57:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 16:55:53 +0000 (GMT) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Inserting Dingbats with Find & Replace To: OP list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 30 Nov, Rob Sinclair wrote: > I have an Ovation Pro document consisting of a list of items in 3 columns. > It has been imported from a PC OCR package and each line (item) is a new > paragraph. I need to insert 3 check boxes at the beginning of each line - > these boxes are Digbats (Selwyn) characters ASCII 111. The document font is > Homerton. > > First I tried Search & Replace, thinking I could replace all 'New Paragraph' > with 'New Paragraph' 'Alt 111' 'Alt 111' 'Alt 111' in Dingbats font. But it > seems impossible to specify the font using this method. > > In the end I inserted the characters in the first line, then laboriously > copied them to the several hundred other lines. > > Is there another way? > > Rob > It should work if you do it with the Search and Replace with Effect Applet in three stages 1. Define a style whose only attribute is Selwyn font 2. Insert three characters as you did 3. Invoke SWRE to replace those same characters in your new style. Regards to the antipodes from the Mid-Hants Steam Railway John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 21:51:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111937 for opro ; Tue, 30 Nov 99 21:51:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943998265:20:11034:18; Tue, 30 Nov 99 21:44:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2102847; 30 Nov 99 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32379 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:13:41 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32374 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:13:39 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.104.42]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA17274 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 21:13:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:52:51 +0000 (GMT) From: John Waddell Subject: The upgrade and an idea To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The upgrade. 2 nights ago, in a period of a couple of hours, I upgrade version 2.51 to 2.52, then from 2.52 to 2.54 and then from 2.52 to 2.55 without any problems at all. The secret is to follow exactly the instructions from David Pilling. My thanks to David for an excellent product that I use every day. The idea. It was mentioned to me by someone who uses a word processor which operates on an alien system. The ability to pre-define the correct spelling of certain words, so that when the are misspelt, the software puts the word right automatically. This seems to me to be a good idea for people who do not remember that 'i goes before e except after c', who like me never spell installed or install correctly or who have to think twice about necessary, harrassment and words like that! Would this be difficult to implement? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 30 21:53:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111939 for opro ; Tue, 30 Nov 99 21:52:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 943994051:10:05558:20; Tue, 30 Nov 99 20:34:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102994; 30 Nov 99 20:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32155 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:17:44 GMT Received: from sun.mhs-relay.ac.uk (sun.mhs-relay.ac.uk [128.86.8.25]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA32150 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:17:42 GMT Received: from writtle.ac.uk by sun.mhs-relay.ac.uk with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:16:42 +0000 Received: from MAIN/SpoolDir by writtle.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 30 Nov 99 20:18:04 GMT Received: from SpoolDir by MAIN (Mercury 1.44); 30 Nov 99 20:17:37 GMT From: "Benjamin Newton" Organization: Writtle College To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 20:17:35 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Startup Banner In-reply-to: <199911301658.QAA31590@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: <1E66596C5A@writtle.ac.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi All, Something non-technical that I can comment on! > On Mon 29 Nov, Steve Ellacott wrote: snip, snip, snip... > And at times I too still use my 440/1. And am ):-)) I use my A440/1 (ARM3) for almost all my work. Although it is beginning to show its age - rather sluggish at times. O. Pro takes 24 seconds to load with one applet from my scsi drive! I don't mind a banner as long as it doesn't: a, take up any more noticable time, b, sit there when the program's fully loaded, or c, hog any extra memory when it's gone. Regards, Benjamin ------------- If it's zero degrees outside today and it's supposed to be twice as cold tomorrow, how cold is it going to be? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 1 01:31:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA111961 for opro ; Wed, 01 Dec 99 01:31:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 944003148:20:13487:24; Tue, 30 Nov 99 23:05:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013140; 30 Nov 99 23:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32662 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:48:56 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32657 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:48:54 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.60] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11sw4P-0006De-00; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:48:25 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:39:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1999 22:38:24 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The upgrade and an idea Message-ID: <9665496949%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Waddell wrote: > The ability to pre-define the correct spelling of > certain words, so that when the are misspelt, the software puts the word > right automatically. This seems to me to be a good idea for people who do > not remember that 'i goes before e except after c', who like me never spell > installed or install correctly or who have to think twice about necessary, > harrassment and words like that! > > Would this be difficult to implement? We have it already! For some reason I *always* spell Britain as 'Britian'. Well, the !Abbrev applet silently picks that up and corrects it. I think there are other applets that do similar things. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message