From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:26:50 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108655 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:26:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941564042:20:29340:80; Tue, 02 Nov 99 17:34:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119555; 2 Nov 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09641 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:02:49 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09636 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 17:02:46 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17530 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 18:02:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199911021702.SAA17530@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 02 Nov 1999 09:22:51 GMT Subject: Re: Printing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I didn't try to >print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. > >Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I get Bad >page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt upgraded >properly, but I can't work out what. Have tried the archived questions but not >found anything in this years archives. > Try checking if the range of pages to be printed is duff. Maybe the Templates or Messages file is not correct... Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:27:27 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108656 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:27:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941526753:10:22322:21; Tue, 02 Nov 99 07:12:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022318; 2 Nov 99 7:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA08109 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:52:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA08104 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:52:09 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.98) [62.188.136.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11iXnL-0002eg-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:51:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 06:50:38 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I didn't try to print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I get Bad page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt upgraded properly, but I can't work out what. Have tried the archived questions but not found anything in this years archives. Can anyone point me in the right direction. Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:29:21 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108664 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:29:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941538028:20:23863:62; Tue, 02 Nov 99 10:20:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024394; 2 Nov 99 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA08495 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:59:18 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA08490 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:59:16 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11iaiQ-0000IS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:58:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:57:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr Charles Ebrill wrote: > I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I > didn't try to print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. > Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP > I get Bad page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably > something hasnt upgraded properly, but I can't work out what. Have > tried the archived questions but not found anything in this years > archives. I believe this is usually due to the templates file not being upgraded correctly. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:32:02 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108670 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:32:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941547820:10:08688:40; Tue, 02 Nov 99 13:03:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112466; 2 Nov 99 13:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA08824 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:25:36 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08819 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 12:25:33 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id NAA01551 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:25:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11iajI-000JKWC; Tue, 2 Nov 99 10:59 MET Message-ID: <381EA75C.6EC7@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:57:00 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Provider problems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, all, I am a bit confused: After the long weekend I found just three messages concerning Ovation Pro - written on Saturday(Colin Woolf), Sunday(Mr. S A O Yandell), today(Dr. Charles Ebrill). Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has something gone missing between the UK and Cologne? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:32:09 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108672 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:32:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941552551:10:08170:72; Tue, 02 Nov 99 14:22:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008204; 2 Nov 99 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA09084 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:56:43 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09079 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:56:41 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-8-15.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.15]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A09A8DAFEB for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 13:56:18 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 10:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Printing Message-ID: <495a9b8544rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> References: <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <495a985e87C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Dr Charles Ebrill wrote: > > I have recently upgraded to 2.54, all seemed to work OK (but I > > didn't try to print anything) Subsequently upgraded to RO4. > > Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP > > I get Bad page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably > > something hasnt upgraded properly, but I can't work out what. Have > > tried the archived questions but not found anything in this years > > archives. > I believe this is usually due to the templates file not being > upgraded correctly. Which is in the !OvnPro dummy that you forgot to copy over your installed one. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 19:32:13 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108673 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:32:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941554499:10:00999:20; Tue, 02 Nov 99 14:54:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103614; 2 Nov 99 14:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09162 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09157 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:25 GMT Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ienz-0001AC-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:21:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:06:16 +0000 (GMT) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Provider problems? To: Ovation Pro Chat list In-Reply-To: <381EA75C.6EC7@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 02 Nov, J. Konietzko wrote: > Hello, all, > > I am a bit confused: > After the long weekend I found just three messages concerning Ovation > Pro - written on Saturday(Colin Woolf), Sunday(Mr. S A O Yandell), > today(Dr. Charles Ebrill). > Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has something > gone missing between the UK and Cologne? Hi Jochen, I think you'll find that everyone was ay the RiscOS Show. Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 21:55:06 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108720 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 21:55:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941572235:10:09487:17; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105104; 2 Nov 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09986 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09981 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:00 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ijS1-000EMv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:18:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 99 20:07:40 GMT Message-Id: <108713@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I get Bad >page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt upgraded >properly Yes its the Messages file, the same scenario people encounter with the Templates file. Following all the steps in the !ReadMe should avoid this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 21:55:09 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108721 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 21:55:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941572235:10:09501:19; Tue, 02 Nov 99 19:50:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009340; 2 Nov 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09992 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09987 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:19:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ijS0-000EMv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 19:18:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Nov 99 20:07:29 GMT Message-Id: <108711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Provider problems? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has something >gone missing between the UK and Cologne? If you ever wonder about this sort of thing, the list is archived daily (or hourly) at barnet, and you can ftp the archive... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 2 23:03:30 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108728 for opro ; Tue, 02 Nov 99 23:03:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941576856:10:12868:17; Tue, 02 Nov 99 21:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100180; 2 Nov 99 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10378 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA10373 for ; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:33 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.210) [62.188.134.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11iksa-000298-00; Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:26 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Provider problems? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 2 Nov 1999 (14:06:16 +0000), ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk wrote: > On Tue 02 Nov, J. Konietzko wrote: > > Hello, all, > > > > I am a bit confused: > > After the long weekend I found just three messages concerning Ovation > > Pro - written on Saturday(Colin Woolf), Sunday(Mr. S A O Yandell), > > today(Dr. Charles Ebrill). > > Has everyone else really been offline over the weekend, or has > something > > gone missing between the UK and Cologne? > > Hi Jochen, > > I think you'll find that everyone was ay the RiscOS Show. > > Mike. > Hi Mike, Thanks, I was also getting a bit worried, I think you have answered my thoughts. Cheers Bryan -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 01:16:44 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108742 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 01:16:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941590090:10:26490:29; Wed, 03 Nov 99 00:48:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101681; 3 Nov 99 0:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10976 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:19:05 GMT Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA10970 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:19:01 GMT Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b001-m006-p016.acld.clear.net.nz [203.97.54.144]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with S Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:17:14 +1300 (BST) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Urgent - Acorn Draw Files on line To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am looking for draw files to use in Ovation Pro Specifically fun Xmas and pictures of all three breeds of poodle - Toy, Miniture and Standard. Please help! Thank you. -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ Microsoft: Innovation NO! Corporate Piracy YES! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 14:31:28 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108756 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:31:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941599463:10:09977:17; Wed, 03 Nov 99 03:24:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112563; 3 Nov 99 3:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA11486 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:49:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA11481 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:49:57 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11iqUL-000BNu-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 02:49:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 02:41:18 GMT Message-Id: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. Improvements include; * Support for Impression type Draw file frame borders (a side effect of which is instant crop marks on any frame). * The contents of picture frames can now be tiled * Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the However the main event is that you can use the new EPS applet with it. The EPS applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. It supports EPS and DCS files. OPI will wait until I find someone who actually uses it or wants to use it. So far everyone has a friend who knew someone who once used it... This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. I am inclined to have a dig at those who have failed to read the instructions with previous upgrades - i.e. the !!ReadMe file. As far as I know all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that has gone on could have been avoided by reading this 150 word file. However to do so, would be to tempt fate... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 14:31:50 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108763 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:31:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941636580:10:06174:35; Wed, 03 Nov 99 13:43:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006059; 3 Nov 99 13:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12720 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:25:12 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12714 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:25:08 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 72ECA9B06 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:23:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.3.19 [Linux/i386]); Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:20:38 GMT X-Sender: M.R.Devon@bath.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:21:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. What about us poor site licence holders then? Martin Devon Stonar School -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 14:31:56 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108764 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:31:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941636742:10:08513:27; Wed, 03 Nov 99 13:45:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112870; 3 Nov 99 13:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12653 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:08:46 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12648 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:08:44 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11j095-0004gN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:08:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:07:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495b2d84c2C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ovation Pro 2.55 now allows the use of draw file borders. David has kindly sent me a zip file of example borders, and this is now on the alternative OP site. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/resource.html#borders -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:18:55 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108777 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941639944:20:15695:59; Wed, 03 Nov 99 14:39:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102762; 3 Nov 99 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12874 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12869 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:39 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j124-0006cY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:05:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:03:29 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > > Improvements include; > > * Support for Impression type Draw file frame borders > (a side effect of which is instant crop marks on any frame). > * The contents of picture frames can now be tiled > * Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the > > However the main event is that you can use the new EPS applet with it. > > The EPS applet is available from the applets pages on the web sites. > It supports EPS and DCS files. Twas brillig and the Slithy Toves did gyle and gimbble in the wabe! > > OPI will wait until I find someone who actually uses it or wants to use it. > So far everyone has a friend who knew someone who once used it... Perhaps they don't use OPro because it hasn't got OPI. Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money for the recent upgrades? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:08 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108781 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941624920:20:24193:54; Wed, 03 Nov 99 10:28:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104941; 3 Nov 99 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12132 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:53:52 GMT Received: from 195.8.74.207 (baglanit.claranet.co.uk [195.8.74.207]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12127 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:53:42 GMT Received: from jmills (97.105.12.13) by baglan_in.baglanit.org.uk (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:58:56 +0000 Message-ID: <003701bf25e1$2e0c71a0$0d0c6961@jmills> From: "John Mills" To: References: Subject: Re: Urgent - Acorn Draw Files on line Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:52:45 -0000 Organization: Baglan IT Centre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- [snip] > I am looking for draw files to use in Ovation Pro > > Specifically fun Xmas and pictures of all three breeds of poodle - Toy, > Miniture and Standard. > > Please help! Have you tried IMSI's MasterClips packs like 500,000+? There are masses of vector files in WMF format which are nicely translated by ImageFS2. The accompanying booklet contains all the examples as colour thumbnails. John -- John Mills. Teacher Adviser for ICT Baglan IT Centre (http://www.baglanit.org.uk) jmills@baglanit.org.uk (PC) jmills@centre.baglanit.org.uk (RPC) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:24 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108785 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941630565:20:01616:139; Wed, 03 Nov 99 12:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2108430; 3 Nov 99 12:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA12392 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:44:07 GMT Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net (mail05.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA12387 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:44:04 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 220961314 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 06:43:15 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:29:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b249882richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Firstly, a *very* big thank you to David for all the hard work. The last two upgrades are (for me) very significant and extremely welcome. Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. Example: Create a new page and put a blank frame in it Create a simple Artworks file (a couple of ellipses will do) Drop said file into OP frame OLE it out, and from Artworks F3 to save it back into OP without closing the OLE window. Now save (F3) it a few more times Doing this causes a type 5 within about 5 or 6 repeated saves. If I do this but close the OLE window and reOLE the file each time I want to change the image all is well - although this is not really /that/ convenient. Using SA RPC running ROS4.02. Have tried from a clean install in the root of an ADFS disc after a full reset and shift break with the same result. It does not do this on the other RPC (610) running ROS3.50, so it appears to be an OP vs ROS4 problem. All the best, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:41 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108790 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941646402:20:18152:60; Wed, 03 Nov 99 16:26:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018702; 3 Nov 99 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA13250 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:52:17 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13245 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:52:15 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA04336 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:51:39 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:51:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > Just tried to download this (somewhat belatedly, having omitted to do it when David first announced it) but it seems not to be there any more. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 18:19:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108791 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:19:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941646907:20:25701:19; Wed, 03 Nov 99 16:35:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129568; 3 Nov 99 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA13282 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:03:06 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13277 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:03:05 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA08462 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:02:13 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:01:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > Sorry, please ignore my last message. It is still there; I blame it on the clock change! Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 21:16:32 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108827 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 21:16:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941657406:10:15758:20; Wed, 03 Nov 99 19:30:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015567; 3 Nov 99 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13764 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:58:17 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13759 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:58:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j5bH-0007tJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:57:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 18:42:16 GMT Message-Id: <108803@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will >> not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. >What about us poor site licence holders then? Well you're all wise enough to not want to deploy developmental software in an environment with naive users. The 2.52 Beebug network version is dead. All thats going to be on offer is an upgrade to the 2.53 style network version. Whether you have to wait until the time of some future paid upgrade or if I offer it sooner is open to debate. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 21:16:35 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108828 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 21:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941659954:10:22545:26; Wed, 03 Nov 99 20:12:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022507; 3 Nov 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13997 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:57:16 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13988 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:57:14 GMT Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j6WL-000926-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:56:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:23:58 +0000 (GMT) From: John Bodiam Subject: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I agree with Alan Muscat - is it not about time we were given the opportunity to pay for the work that David has been doing of late? John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 3 21:16:37 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108829 for opro ; Wed, 03 Nov 99 21:16:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941659868:20:18455:23; Wed, 03 Nov 99 20:11:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123144; 3 Nov 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA13966 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA13961 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:39 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11j6Uo-000D1i-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:55:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:39:39 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <5e76515b49.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta2 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > >http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip Smooth upgrade (-: >Improvements include; [snip] >* Spell checking extended to find repeated words e.g. the the but not when using "Check as you type" - I simply mention that for the benefit of anyone who uses that and doesn't then run a spellcheck through the finished work. >This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and >both these are included in the archive. so for those who don't use ArtWorks and haven't got ImageExtend 0.78 - remember to double-click on the applet to switch it off. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:29:37 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108845 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:29:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941667492:10:15119:50; Wed, 03 Nov 99 22:18:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014988; 3 Nov 99 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14526 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:59:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA14521 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:59:54 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.181) [62.188.143.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11j8R2-00045V-00; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:59:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:48:45 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 3 Nov 1999 (11:29:36 +0000), richard@graphitedesign.co.uk wrote: >Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing >graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a >type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. > Just tried it... doesn't do it at all on mine. Resaved about fifteen times, no problem. -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:29:45 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108849 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:29:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941667467:20:03147:44; Wed, 03 Nov 99 22:17:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003162; 3 Nov 99 22:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14560 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:48 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14555 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:02:46 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.5]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA3963 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <382120D1.2450@net.ntl.com> Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:59:45 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Muscat wrote: > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? > Tend to agree, despite my parsimonious nature. Since getting RiscOs 4, I upgraded !Writer to EasiWriter Pro, to Pro+, then v7 - all paid upgrades, and I've not yet used it to the extent I've relied on OvPro. So it's probably about time DP was properly recompensed for all his sterling efforts. Now, bulleted/numbered lists, integral contents/indexes/tables would really be worth paying for... -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:30:06 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108855 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:30:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941676841:10:26257:68; Thu, 04 Nov 99 00:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027099; 4 Nov 99 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15108 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA15103 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:38:18 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.153) [193.149.71.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jAuH-0007DQ-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:37:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:01:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Draw file borders Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This=A0has always been an annoying/limiting feature of Ovation Pro. Ovation= had masses of borders and in differing colours (sprites were used to desig= n them I think).MULTICOLOURED BORDERS IN Ovation P= roThe new drawfile borders can be multicoloured!= Design or edit an existing Drawfile type border with your choice o= f colours, save it into the borders directory with a suitable new name. Wh= en you apply it (in Ovation Pro) set the colour to transparent. Yo= ur border will now appear in it's original colours.-- Richa= rd __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________= _________|__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ /|__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /= ....Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions___________________________= / rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 01:30:21 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108857 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 01:30:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941675591:20:06444:24; Thu, 04 Nov 99 00:33:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101777; 4 Nov 99 0:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14940 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:00:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA14933 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:00:40 GMT Received: from (62.188.138.120) [62.188.138.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jAJs-0006e5-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 22:55:11 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <495b635d0drkpartridge@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.8 Subject: Re: Numbering Feature In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Tue 21 Sep, Ian J Melville wrote: > > Does any one know of a simple way to automatically number tickets > > and butts, please? > > > > I am planning to do 10 tickets to a page times 15 but I want them > > individually numbered twice over with the same number. > > > I usually create a CSV file with the numbers, e.g. from a simple > BASIC program, then merge it. This method has the advantage that > you can cope with complicated seating plans. > I think for your purposes you would just need each number twice on > a line, comma separated. Even easier..... Make your ticket with a blank master frame just tall enough for one line in your chosen ticket number font and link this frame to itself with the autolink tool. Set the bodytext style to suit the ticket numbers. You should now have a blank ticket with the right style set. Set up thumbnails printing as necessary. Save the document. If you now prepare an ordinary text file with each number on a separate line (a spreadsheet may speed this up), then when you drag it into the master frame (you don't have to edit the master page for this) the document will multiply up as required, and printing via thumbnails will put as many as you have set on a sheet. No need for mail merging! (Don't save the document with the ticket numbers in place: unless your theatre's very small it'll take so long you think the computer's broken) If the above doesn't make sense I'd be happy to send you a sample. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 14:25:11 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108892 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 14:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941710563:10:22667:93; Thu, 04 Nov 99 10:16:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115309; 4 Nov 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16003 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:55:32 GMT Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net (mail02.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.68]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15998 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 09:55:29 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 021938 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:02:57 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:51:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b99f18arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Wed 3 Nov 1999 (11:29:36 +0000), richard@graphitedesign.co.uk wrote: > >Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing > >graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a > >type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. > > > > Just tried it... doesn't do it at all on mine. Resaved about fifteen > times, no problem. Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, should read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've used." I imagine its some kind of memory (dynamic area?) problem but that is a complete guess! Cheers, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 14:25:13 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108893 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 14:25:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941711007:10:29674:45; Thu, 04 Nov 99 10:23:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124788; 4 Nov 99 10:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16047 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:02:12 GMT Received: from mail02.rapidsite.net (mail02.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.68]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16042 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 10:02:10 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail02.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 121938 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 04:02:59 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b9a6f1arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? I agree, now it can't be bad to be in a situation where your customers 'complain' because they can't pay you! If anything this is also driven, to some degree, by the thought of OP not being developed, at some point in the not so distant future, because it is not financially viable. Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 17:34:13 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108898 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 17:34:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941729737:10:02493:53; Thu, 04 Nov 99 15:35:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002865; 4 Nov 99 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16898 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:40:35 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16893 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 14:40:31 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p19-max2.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.83]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id DAA32654 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:39:39 +1300 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:39:49 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB16898 Status: R On Thu 04 Nov, John Bodiam wrote: >=20 > I agree with Alan Muscat - is it not about time we were given the > opportunity to pay for the work that David has been doing of late? >=20 > John Bodiam Yep.. add my "Me Too" to that....... and David.... VISA option please... so hard to get =A3 here..... or maybe you can take NZ$ to your bank.... sure I can stuff 100 or so in an envelope.. ;-) --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:01:58 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108926 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:01:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941720980:10:27738:17; Thu, 04 Nov 99 13:09:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027676; 4 Nov 99 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16360 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:06:41 GMT Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16355 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:06:39 GMT Received: from StonarWeb (unknown [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id D8CAB9B11 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:05:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 1.0.128.252 by StonarWeb with SMTP (Navaho Server Suite v2.3.19 [Linux/i386]); Thu, 04 Nov 1999 11:59:06 GMT X-Sender: M.R.Devon@bath.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 12:00:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495b9a6f1arichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Stonar School, Melksham, UK. +44 (0) 1225 702309 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Nov, Richard Cassidy wrote: > In article , > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > > for the recent upgrades? > > I agree, now it can't be bad to be in a situation where your customers > 'complain' because they can't pay you! I've just paid 100 pounds plus for a (site licensed) significant upgrade for Easiwriter and I am perfectly willing to do the same for Ovation Pro. Martin Devon Stonar School. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:29:04 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108937 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941735554:20:08062:79; Thu, 04 Nov 99 17:12:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008726; 4 Nov 99 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17229 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:38 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17224 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 16:34:34 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p113.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.113]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA08873 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:33:43 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3821B512.86FDEE17@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 18:32:18 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders References: <495b2d84c2C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Chris Johnson wrote: > > Ovation Pro 2.55 now allows the use of draw file borders. David has > kindly sent me a zip file of example borders, and this is now on the > alternative OP site. Just to let you all know that if you have RISC OS 4, there seems to be a 22 character limit on the length of border filenames. Is this intentional? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 18:58:18 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108946 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:58:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941741008:20:23477:17; Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:43:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023310; 4 Nov 99 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17701 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:12:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA17696 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:12:04 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jRLn-0005sg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:11:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:18:59 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. [snip] Many thanks. Upgrading was quick and painless since I deliberately kept 2.52 in an archive. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:54:39 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108954 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:54:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941742945:20:17404:20; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:15:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127534; 4 Nov 99 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17918 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17912 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jS6O-0009o9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:59:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:37:44 GMT Message-Id: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, should >read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've used." Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't be thinking of charging for an upgrade. It will matter one day that a new version sells, obviously otherwise I won't invest time and money in the project forever. All the more reason to get things right first. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:54:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108955 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:54:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941743728:20:27512:17; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:28:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027469; 4 Nov 99 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA17913 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17906 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:00:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jS6M-0009o9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 18:59:14 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 18:31:15 GMT Message-Id: <108940@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Just to let you all know that if you have RISC OS 4, there seems >to be a 22 character limit on the length of border filenames. >Is this intentional? yes, the actual limit (shudder shudder) is 16 chars. When I looked at OPro with respect to long file names, about a year ago, it was obvious that there are some limits imposed by the OPro file format allocating fixed amounts of memory. The ones which struck me where things like colour chart names. I suspect that if you go beyond 15 chars some damage will be done. Thank you very much, I will add code to prevent this calamity... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 19:56:06 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108960 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:56:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941745270:20:14910:18; Thu, 04 Nov 99 19:54:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119280; 4 Nov 99 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18146 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:39:01 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18140 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:58 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jSi0-0009ok-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:22:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495bd3ba57tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, > >should read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've > >used." > Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its > probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of > OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't > crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. > Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE > protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few > apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. I had the same problem after changing to OS4 - I hadn't upgraded the !tran filters. As the document had been created previously it loaded fine, however on trying to ole a jpeg it crashed on reloading, upgraded the loaders and everything seems to be ok now. I would also like to add my thanks to David for the work he has put in. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:11 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108966 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941746114:20:24260:35; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:08:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126572; 4 Nov 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:59 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18134 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:57 GMT Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jShy-0009ok-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:38:07 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 19:14:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495bd30235tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >Is your machine running RISCOS4? My above paragraph is inaccurate, > >should read... "type 5 error every time on all the ROS4 machines I've > >used." > Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its > probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of > OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't > crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. > Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE > protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few > apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. I had a similar problem but it was caused by me not upgrading the loaders. As the document already existed there wasn't a problem however on trying to ole a file it crashed on saving, upgraded the loaders and everything was ok. It was a jpeg by the way hence it was uning the loaders. -- Tony Simons using RiscOS 4 on a proper Computer North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:12 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108967 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941747795:10:12150:23; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:36:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012037; 4 Nov 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18538 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:21:45 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18533 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:21:42 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p26.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.26]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20661 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:20:49 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3821EA49.D377F81D@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:19:21 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders References: <495b2d84c2C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R About Draw File Borders: This is a feature long waited for, and many thanks to David for (finally) putting it in. It seems to work pretty nicely. The colour control is a nice feature. Two questions: 1) Is it possible to have different borders for different sides of the frame? This is possible in Impression, and allows some very flexible effects, like fancy drop frames etc. 2) Is there a limit on the number of files in the Borders directory (assuming RISC OS 4 which allows more than 77 files)? What overheads are involved in having a large number of files in the Borders directory? Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:15 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108968 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941747004:20:04765:19; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:23:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104234; 4 Nov 99 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA18360 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:55:12 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18354 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:55:10 GMT Received: (qmail 8735 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1999 19:54:20 -0000 Received: from userl436.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.74.249) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 1999 19:54:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave at Ukg To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495b95725adfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Wed 3 Nov 1999 (11:29:36 +0000), richard@graphitedesign.co.uk wrote: > >Small bug that appears to have crept in since 2.54 involves OLEing > >graphics. Multiple saves of the same OLEed file back into OP causes a > >type 5 error every time on all the machine I've used. > > > > Just tried it... doesn't do it at all on mine. Resaved about fifteen > times, no problem. First... Thanks to David for the upgrade incorporating the Drawfiles as borders. I've also tried to reproduce the OLE error, as OLEing graphics in OVPro is something I need to do quite often. I cannot reproduce the problem on my machine, though I've tried.... SARPC RO-2.04 Thank David Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 21:00:16 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108969 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941748234:10:17168:21; Thu, 04 Nov 99 20:43:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101178; 4 Nov 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA18514 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:15:50 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18509 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:15:47 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS7-p26.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.165.26]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06416 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:14:50 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3821E8E1.E5F1E710@netvision.net.il> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:13:21 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new > copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't > be thinking of charging for an upgrade. Take a look at EasiWriter/TechWriter. They are definitely looking at new sales with its new features added all the time, but they are also making quite a bit from upgrades, and I gather that the upgrade rate is pretty good. So I wouldn't ignore the income to be made from upgrades. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:14:48 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108978 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:14:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941750906:10:19381:20; Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019230; 4 Nov 99 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18757 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:11:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA18752 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:11:49 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.51) [193.149.73.51] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jU9o-0002cL-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:10:57 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 20:16:22 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495BD8A8F7%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA18753 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB18757 In message rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > This=A0has always been an annoying/limiting feature of Ovation Pro. But not nearly as annoying as receiving the same msg twice! Pls turn 'email as attachments' OFF. --=20 I *am* in shape; round's a shape, isn't it? __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:20:02 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jUHn-000L0T-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:19:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 21:07:41 GMT Message-Id: <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > 1) Is it possible to have different borders for different > sides of the frame? This is possible in Impression, > and allows some very flexible effects, like fancy > drop frames etc. No. Curses... I didn't know about Impression allowing different sides, how does that work? Got any examples? > 2) Is there a limit on the number of files in the Borders > directory (assuming RISC OS 4 which allows more than > 77 files)? No. >What overheads are involved in having a large number of files in the Borders directory? On program start they are all loaded into memory. I've a few points of my own. It seems that the Ovation 1 loader just picks the first border when converting files. I happen to have some old documents, and got caught out with the border style suddenly changing. So beware. I may fix this. As above I don't know if CC ever spec'd how these files work. The way I've done it, it should be possible to use text, sprite, or jpeg objects in the border. The collection of borders I gave to Chris Johnson came off Arcade BBS. If anyone knows who the originator is, it would be good to credit them. Two of them were by 'hazzy', young Mr. Haslam I think. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:15:04 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108982 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:15:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941753602:20:19648:25; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:13:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104744; 4 Nov 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19141 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA19136 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:57:06 GMT Received: from bvista.demon.co.uk ([194.222.32.134]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jUrf-000FZk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:56:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 21:46:01 +0000 (GMT) From: "A.F. Taylor" Subject: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur Taylor X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > Thanks very much for the new upgrade. There is a problem for users of Russell Thompson's !Expand applet - it completely stiffed my computer on trying to load OPro 2.55 with it present! I don't know if Russell is still 'active' in the applet writing/revising field but I hope he might sort out this rather useful one. (ROS 4.00, if it's relevant) Regards, -- Arthur Taylor, Parkstone, Poole -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:53:27 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108984 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:53:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941754551:20:01086:36; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:29:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2001136; 4 Nov 99 22:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19186 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:01:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19181 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:01:03 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.181) [62.188.144.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jUvT-0003qa-00; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:00:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 21:01:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495bdcc861tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R DP has kindly offered help and advice (as ever) when I encountered an 'ETEMP' error when trying to load v2.55. The upgrade appeared to be as straightforward as it usually is, but the above error caused the load to fail. I was advised to check the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory for the messages and templates files. They were present, but when I checked them against the ones in the upgrade version (out of the zip file), it was clear that these two files had not upgraded. The problem was that I had 'newer' set in the filer copy options (as well as 'force'). I took this off and was able to upgrade the two files. All is now well. Thanks again, David. Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:53:33 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108985 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:53:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941755316:10:06820:33; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:41:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115954; 4 Nov 99 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19318 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:47 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19313 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:45 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.63.136]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991104222540.CEDM16985.mta1-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:06:26 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > I am inclined to have a dig at those who have failed to read the instructions > with previous upgrades - i.e. the !!ReadMe file. As far as I know all the > wailing and gnashing of teeth that has gone on could have been avoided by > reading this 150 word file. > > However to do so, would be to tempt fate... > > > > > David Pilling > I have successfully upgraded to 2.55 following the !!ReadMe. Should the ReadMe have one more operation to be performed namely, doubleclick on !Words and !OvnResDir? Until this had been done the program would not run, but I remembered the instructions from previous upgrades. Perhaps the upgrade I performed was not quite standard in that I set up a new directory OPro255 for the new version. Hope everyone upgrades as smoothly as everything went for me. Best wishes Bernard > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 22:53:35 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108986 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:53:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941755338:10:06569:32; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:42:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006949; 4 Nov 99 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19297 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:07 GMT Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19292 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:05 GMT Received: (qmail 7249 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1999 22:23:25 -0000 Received: from userp045.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.91.44) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 1999 22:23:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave at Ukg To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:22:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495be429dedfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <108973@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > As above I don't know if CC ever spec'd how these files work. The way > I've done it, it should be possible to use text, sprite, or jpeg objects > in the border. Yes David I've tried that with a Sprite and it worked okay. Obviously the Sprite has to be put into a DrawFile before it can be used though. Unless I've missed something. Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 4 23:13:03 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108996 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941756160:20:17407:18; Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:56:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017239; 4 Nov 99 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19337 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:58 GMT Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19331 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:56 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.63.136]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19991104222543.CEDW16985.mta1-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 22:25:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:16:30 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Nov, Alan Muscat wrote: > On Wed 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > > > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > > > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > for the recent upgrades? > > And so say I. Many thanks for your continued development of this program, but you can't continue without reward. Best wishes Bernard -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Thu Nov 4 23:13:06 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108997 for opro ; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:13:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941757107:20:27269:5; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:11:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105934; 4 Nov 99 23:11 GMT Received: from cartmell.demon.co.uk ([158.152.204.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jW2i-0006lO-0C for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:11:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 22:47:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Draw file borders Message-ID: <495be677f1john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > 1) Is it possible to have different borders for different sides of > > the frame? This is possible in Impression, and allows some very > > flexible effects, like fancy drop frames etc. > No. Curses... I didn't know about Impression allowing different sides, > how does that work? Got any examples? Each side can have any of the available borders. A standard ploy is to use a thin line for top and left with thick lines for right and bottom to give a shadow effect. -- John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using British designed hardware, OS & software RISC OS computers from Acorn, RiscStation & etc From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:09 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109000 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941762143:10:18612:46; Fri, 05 Nov 99 00:35:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018579; 5 Nov 99 0:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20086 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:07:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20081 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:07:31 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jWtq-0001az-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:06:38 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 23:55:30 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <91b8ec5b49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: [snip] > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an > upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the > improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It > would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with > EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. [snip] If there is to be a chargeable upgrade with major new features, would it be a reasonable idea to make it with new floppies (Maybe a CD) even if that involved an increased fee? At the moment I have my original 2.45 set, two more discs to make 2.46 then a requirement to upgrade to 2.52, backups for the upgrades and so on. It would be nice to have a clean start. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:10 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109001 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941758467:20:10991:24; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:34:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010669; 4 Nov 99 23:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19701 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:12 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19695 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jW59-0002GY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 22:59:12 GMT Message-Id: <108991@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Should the ReadMe have one more operation to be performed namely, >doubleclick on !Words and !OvnResDir? I'm not so sure about that... Way back you did have to double click !OvnResDir, however that should now be done automatically. Certainly resetting !Words is a good idea, but unless the old copy is going to vanish for some reason (like its on a floppy) things should still work. Personally I have a !Words outside any application, if you have things set up that way, then there's nothing to gain by double clicking !Words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:14 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109003 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941759080:20:17340:28; Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:44:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017249; 4 Nov 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19697 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19690 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:15:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jW5B-0002GY-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:14:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 23:02:32 GMT Message-Id: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >'ETEMP' error when trying to load v2.55. >above error caused the load to fail. I was advised to check the >!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory for the messages and templates files. They >were present, but when I checked them against the ones in the upgrade >version (out of the zip file), it was clear that these two files had not >upgraded. The problem was that I had 'newer' set in the filer copy options >(as well as 'force'). I took this off and was able to upgrade the two >files. So the Messages and Templates files in a copy of 2.52 were newer than the ones in 2.55? The other worry is that getting ETEMP rather than the translated text means the messages file is either corrupt or massively out of date. I really should mention the newer flag in the !!ReadMe... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:17 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109002 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941763048:10:27163:17; Fri, 05 Nov 99 00:50:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122957; 5 Nov 99 0:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20206 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20201 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.5) [193.149.71.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jXIG-0007Ex-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:31:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:08:55 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA20202 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB20206 Status: R On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (03:39:49 +1300), renet@ihug.co.nz wrote: > Yep.. add my "Me Too" to that....... and David.... VISA option > please... so hard to get =A3 here I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= on line IUSWIM). =20 There is also something related that is really bugging me at the moment, = trying to buy stuff from people overseas. There seems to be no way of se= nding relatively small amounts of money to people in other countries unle= ss they can accept a credit card number - that is unless you are prepared= to pay a ridiculous amount for a bank International Money Transfer. =20 --=20 Richard __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:25 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109005 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941763738:10:03152:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:02:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002805; 5 Nov 99 1:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20199 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20194 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:32:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.5) [193.149.71.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jXID-0007Ex-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:31:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 23:58:20 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Draw file borders Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA20195 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB20199 On Thu 4 Nov 1999 (20:16:22 +0000), mik@xemik.com wrote: > In message > rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > > This=A0has always been an annoying/limiting feature of Ovation Pro. > But not nearly as annoying as receiving the same message twice. At least there was no large attachment:-) However I don't think the problem is at my end. I only got one posting o= f my email. =20 By the way where do I find 'email as attachments off'? Sounds a bit PC t= o me and I always strive to be non PC:-) --=20 Richard __ __ __ __ __ ____________________________________________= _ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 01:41:28 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109006 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:41:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941765738:10:21159:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:35:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116049; 5 Nov 99 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20566 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:11:15 GMT Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net (mail05.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA20558 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:11:12 GMT Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.53) with SMTP id 021844037 for ; Thu, 4 Nov 1999 20:10:16 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 01:08:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495bf367cbrichard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Well I can't reproduce this, I've only got Draw on this machine. Its > probabably a matter of finding the catch. For example the one part of > OLE I have changed is to do with referenced files. However it won't > crash for me with referenced or non-referenced files. > Another possibility is that there are actually 2 versions of the OLE > protocol, however I'd guess ArtWorks is the same as Draw. Only a few > apps like TableMate use the full OLE thing. Well, its fine with !Draw. So I've just installed the ROS4 !Boot structure from scratch as well as AW 1.7 and OP but to no avail. OP 2.52 works like a dream, OP 2.54/5 gives me a type 5 every time with Artworks. This is using literally the most simple of senarios, a new blank A4 page with a single non referenced AW picture containing 3 objects. OLE this and then F3 it 2-3 times and OP dies every time without fail for me. New news! If the AW file *is referenced* then it works fine?!? Now that's a step in the right direction! Note: proxy on its own still crashes, ref and proxy is fine. > > Anyway, great work. Isn't it time we were able to pay you some money > > for the recent upgrades? > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be > an upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of > the improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many > users. It would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell > an upgrade with EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. Good news. Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109019 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941772216:10:15603:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:23:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015087; 5 Nov 99 3:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21154 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21147 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:30 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZi0-000HPm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:06:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:46:10 GMT Message-Id: <109009@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If there is to be a chargeable upgrade with major new features, would it >be a reasonable idea to make it with new floppies (Maybe a CD) even if >that involved an increased fee? Well the long declared aim *is* a CD. I would imagine with everything on. Including the OPro documents for a revised version of the manual. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109020 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941772236:10:15619:35; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:23:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101820; 5 Nov 99 3:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21163 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21153 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:31 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZi2-000HPm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:06:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:46:24 GMT Message-Id: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= >on line IUSWIM). Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109021 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941773033:10:21595:52; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:37:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021612; 5 Nov 99 3:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21230 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:09:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21224 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:09:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZja-000HbB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:08:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:06:12 GMT Message-Id: <109017@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Each side can have any of the available borders. OK, I understand now. I was thinking along different lines. To do that would not be hard, but it would mean a completely new dialogue box, and changing the file format - 4 border names instead of 1. And it would end up looking just like Impression. I can see the theoretical benefits, but drop shadows aside do you do this much in Impression? Can anyone think of a way of doing borders which is better than Impression? >It seems that the Ovation 1 loader just >picks the first border when converting files. I happen to have some old >documents, and got caught out with the border style suddenly changing. >So beware. I may fix this. I've put a new Ovation1 loader on the applets pages... http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/files/ovn1.zip David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:50:51 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109023 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941773129:20:13012:21; Fri, 05 Nov 99 03:38:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128636; 5 Nov 99 3:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21166 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21159 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:07:33 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jZi3-000HPm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 03:06:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 01:56:12 GMT Message-Id: <109013@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >New news! If the AW file *is referenced* then it works fine?!? Now that's >a step in the right direction! Note: proxy on its own still crashes, ref >and proxy is fine. are we heading for the conclusion that the trouble is an image with a proxy? i.e. does it do it on embedded images with no proxy. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. 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Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 09:56:48 +0100 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <79471e5c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a credit card. Any other means is such a hassle that I normally refrain from a purchase. -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109028 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941798084:10:03187:398; Fri, 05 Nov 99 10:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018127; 5 Nov 99 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22116 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:31 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22111 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:10:29 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06844 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:09:32 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25684 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:09:24 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Draw file borders Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:08:41 -0000 Message-ID: <000501bf276d$5a9b50f0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <109017@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > >Each side can have any of the available borders. > > OK, I understand now. I was thinking along different lines. > > To do that would not be hard, but it would mean a completely new dialogue > box, and changing the file format - 4 border names instead of 1. > And it would end up looking just like Impression. I can see the > theoretical benefits, but drop shadows aside do you do this much > in Impression? There are some uses I recall from my dim and distant Impression past. e.g. CC used to supply a "borders disc" with loads of borders. Quite a few were for single corner features to make notepaper (e.g. little art deco squiggles which only appear on the bottom right of a letter). Others were for highlighting effects. I remember one, for example, which was a 2pt (ish) horizontal line with big stylised opening quotes top left (used as a top border), with a matching bottom border with closing quotes bottom right. Cue ASCII art: ---"------------------- frame here -------------------"--- I guess it'd be another string to your bow when trying to armtwist those still resisting a crossgrade to OP. > Can anyone think of a way of doing borders which is better than > Impression? Whilst keeping the drawfile-based approach, rather than a separate dialogue, perhaps you could you make it a set of small picture frames around the frame. Make a keypress or button macro to call a function to show them (show borders, like show invisibles). Then you just drag in the border from a file window, and ctrl-drag (that's the right one for making internal links to pictures, isn't it?) to fill the other sides. You can then use the rest of the picture menu options to play with colours, referencing etc if you wanted, and add a new picture submenu to do the existing borders dialogue stuff if the border frame is left empty. It'd be important to have some kind of "border manager" where you can preview them though, but perhaps this should be best exposed as an applet - Hey,a generic drawfile *previewer* without having to load draw - there's an idea... perhaps this could work like the clipboard page? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109029 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941801008:10:26796:118; Fri, 05 Nov 99 11:23:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111696; 5 Nov 99 11:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22533 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:40:24 GMT Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22528 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:40:22 GMT From: Received: from mail-gw.quantel.com ([195.12.20.50]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14110 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:39:15 GMT Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.7/3.1). id KAA11415 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:40:35 GMT To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256820.00392ACF.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:39:36 +0000 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip Is this file naming convention a deliberate ploy to try and confuse us all :-) The last upgrade was called 252.zip as well. Could you perhaps include the destination version number in the name (e.g. 252to255.zip) I know I can rename it myself, it's just the minor panic when I automatically press all the download buttons and then I get a warning about overwriting an already existing 252.zip Keep up the good work David and thank you Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109030 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941801447:10:00522:156; Fri, 05 Nov 99 11:30:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116746; 5 Nov 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22569 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:45:18 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA22564 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:45:13 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1903.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.133]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19340 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:44:11 +0800 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:30:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? I would. I'm lazy, and parking at the post office is difficult and . . . Though most credit card companies take 2 - 3%. Seriously, a lot of us want to do our bit for you and Riscos. Cheers. -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109033 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941810056:10:02646:213; Fri, 05 Nov 99 13:54:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024648; 5 Nov 99 13:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23382 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:50 GMT Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23377 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:48 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1292.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.12]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28165; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:57:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:58:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Off topic To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Ren H Turner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Saying your OS is better because more people use it is like saying McDonald's makes the best food in the world". "Imagine a boot, stamping on a human face, forever." George Orwell, "1984", Anticipating the rise of Microsoft. Met vriendelijke groetens, Andre van den Berg ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109035 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941812007:10:21559:29; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:26:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104367; 5 Nov 99 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23658 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:42:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23652 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:42:22 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.36) [62.188.144.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jjcG-0001fO-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:41:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 12:30:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 04 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >'ETEMP' error when trying to load v2.55. above error caused the load > >to fail. I was advised to check the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory > >for the messages and templates files. They were present, but when I > >checked them against the ones in the upgrade version (out of the zip > >file), it was clear that these two files had not upgraded. The problem > >was that I had 'newer' set in the filer copy options (as well as > >'force'). I took this off and was able to upgrade the two files. > So the Messages and Templates files in a copy of 2.52 were newer than > the ones in 2.55? > The other worry is that getting ETEMP rather than the translated text > means the messages file is either corrupt or massively out of date. > I really should mention the newer flag in the !!ReadMe... When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the Templates file 30 Oct 1999. If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. AFAICT, everything else is fine. So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and templates files. Cheers, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:51:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109036 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941812030:10:22036:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:27:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020392; 5 Nov 99 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA23809 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:56:00 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23804 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:55:59 GMT Received: from modem-42.name41.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.180.42] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jjpS-0000R3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:54:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 13:47:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <495c38da7cBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: [Snip] > > > I've heard mutterings about VISA taking huge cuts like this, but you > hardly ever see surcharges for VISA payments or discounts for cash. > Wonder why? The surcharge is built in, you get the cash discount only if you ask for it. 1. Go to retail outlet, ask price of goods. 2. Ask for cash discount. 3. If no discount offered produce credit card. 4. Go to 2. 2.55 upgraded ok here, although I nearly upgraded my stable 2.52 because I missed on the first reading the instructions the bit about making a copy of the copy. -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From kh@waikato.ac.nz Fri Nov 5 14:54:49 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109039 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:54:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941781424:20:08246:10; Fri, 05 Nov 99 05:57:04 GMT Received: from mail.wave.co.nz ([203.96.216.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008264; 5 Nov 99 5:57 GMT Received: from albion (p118.hn1.wave.co.nz [203.96.192.118]) by mail.wave.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30368 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:56:54 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: David Pilling Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:51:50 +1300 Subject: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <495c0d5817kh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain On 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Even 10% would be acceptable from this distance!! Many thanks for you good works. KEith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:08 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109043 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941794119:20:07055:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 09:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007020; 5 Nov 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA22044 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:00:38 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22039 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:00:36 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA15562 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 08:59:39 GMT Message-ID: <38229C29.73F43503@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 08:58:17 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry If I have missed something, but is OP 2.52 is going to be the new upgrade from version (replacing 2.46)? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:20 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109045 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941797885:20:08045:80; Fri, 05 Nov 99 10:31:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007220; 5 Nov 99 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22299 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:10:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22294 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:10:56 GMT Received: from (62.188.146.219) [62.188.146.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jgJh-0005Ua-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 10:09:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 10:45:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495ba46053jodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <108749@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. > So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of > 2.52 for future use. > The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will > not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. My copy is 2.54, and I don't have 2.52. How should I proceed, please? Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:27 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109047 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941800829:20:21686:44; Fri, 05 Nov 99 11:20:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022098; 5 Nov 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA22674 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:04:02 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22669 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:04:00 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA17967 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:03:00 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:02:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > I've heard mutterings about VISA taking huge cuts like this, but you hardly ever see surcharges for VISA payments or discounts for cash. Wonder why? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:32 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109049 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941805143:20:26307:41; Fri, 05 Nov 99 12:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109966; 5 Nov 99 12:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22953 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:00:21 GMT Received: from mail.enterprise.net (mail.enterprise.net [194.72.192.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22948 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:00:17 GMT Received: from lewtas.enterprise.net (max01-077.enterprise.net [194.72.195.77]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA19207 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 11:59:15 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 09:58:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Maureen Lewtas Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just done the 2.52 to 2.55 upgrade. When I try to run OPro it dies with the message: "Template piximport not found" I used my backup copy of 2.52 which is held on my hard disc. Should I have used my original floppy discs. Maureen Lewtas -- Maureen C Lewtas e-mail: maureen@lewtas.enterprise-plc.com Secretary, Blackpool Computer Club -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:43 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109051 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941805468:20:01529:58; Fri, 05 Nov 99 12:37:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001880; 5 Nov 99 12:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23115 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:21:30 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23110 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:21:23 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p40-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.168]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA20292 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:20:19 +1300 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 01:21:24 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB23115 On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more r= ead=3D > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I= go=3D > >on line IUSWIM). >=20 > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > David Pilling Yes David.... far less expensive than the bank transfer fees for international funds. =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:45 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109052 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941806196:20:13265:22; Fri, 05 Nov 99 12:49:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123982; 5 Nov 99 12:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23183 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:32:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23178 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:31:59 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.224) [62.188.133.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jiWA-0000Qv-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:30:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:31:18 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re Template PixImport Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file missing, any help would be appreciated. Bryan Kirk, Bispham. -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:48 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109053 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941807706:20:06527:39; Fri, 05 Nov 99 13:15:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114226; 5 Nov 99 13:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23278 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:41:22 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23273 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:41:20 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16933 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:38:18 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust90.tnt2.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.242.90] with SMTP for id NAA01239 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 5 Nov 1999 13:35:18 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <006801bf278a$8314c5d0$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Creditcard facility was: Re: OP 2.55 release Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:08:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >>.... I would have ordered stuff online far more read= >>ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= >>on line IUSWIM). > Friday, November 05, David Pilling wrote: >Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > Yes, I would certainly be willing to pay that amount. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 14:58:52 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109054 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:58:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941807935:20:10421:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 13:18:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009958; 5 Nov 99 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23407 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:59:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23402 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:59:41 GMT Received: from (62.188.137.49) [62.188.137.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jiwy-0000tw-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:58:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 12:59:02 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re Template PixImport Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file missing, any help would be appreciated. Bryan Kirk, Bispham. David, Please disregard the above, purely my not reading your notes fully, 255 now working fully, Sorry I am one of the nitwits. Best regards, Bryan. -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:46:50 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109057 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:46:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941818726:20:16202:58; Fri, 05 Nov 99 16:18:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016278; 5 Nov 99 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24605 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:00:49 GMT Received: from mail.nottscc.gov.uk (mail.nottscc.gov.uk [194.216.120.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24600 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:00:47 GMT Received: from CAT ([194.216.121.103]) by mail.nottscc.gov.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 286 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:05:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01bf27a6$7e4b9440$0148120a@CAT.nottscc.gov.uk> From: "Alex. Cessford" To: Subject: Re: Re Template PixImport Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 15:57:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Mr B Kirk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 November 1999 13:57 Subject: Re Template PixImport >Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file >missing, any help would be appreciated. Hi, I had the same problem, but found out the cure myself: After running the Upgrade application out of the downloaded zip file and dropping your copy of version 2.52 onto it, and it says upgrade successful or some such, then go back to the contents of the zipfile and drag the OvPro icon that is in there on top of the proper OvPro copy that has just been successfully upgraded. That's it. You will then have a copy of version 2.55 that loads to the icon bar and opens its window normally. Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:47:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109061 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941819223:10:12091:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 16:27:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124549; 5 Nov 99 16:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24657 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:08:14 GMT Received: from mail.nottscc.gov.uk (mail.nottscc.gov.uk [194.216.120.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24652 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:08:12 GMT Received: from CAT ([194.216.121.103]) by mail.nottscc.gov.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 177 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:36 +0000 Message-ID: <002701bf27a7$8770c6c0$0148120a@CAT.nottscc.gov.uk> From: "Alex. Cessford" To: Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:04:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Lewtas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 November 1999 13:45 Subject: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade >I have just done the 2.52 to 2.55 upgrade. When I try to run OPro it dies with >the message: > >"Template piximport not found" > >I used my backup copy of 2.52 which is held on my hard disc. Should I have used >my original floppy discs. Hi, I had the same problem, but found out the cure myself: After running the Upgrade application out of the downloaded zip file and dropping your copy of version 2.52 onto it, and it says upgrade successful or some such, then go back to the contents of the zipfile and drag the OvPro icon that is in there on top of the proper OvPro copy that has just been successfully upgraded. That's it. You will then have a copy of version 2.55 that loads to the icon bar and opens its window normally. Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:47:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109062 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:47:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941819977:10:21242:23; Fri, 05 Nov 99 16:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021441; 5 Nov 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA24709 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:27 GMT Received: from mail.nottscc.gov.uk (mail.nottscc.gov.uk [194.216.120.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24704 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:12:25 GMT Received: from CAT ([194.216.121.103]) by mail.nottscc.gov.uk (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id 152 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:16:50 +0000 Message-ID: <003401bf27a8$1e4cc580$0148120a@CAT.nottscc.gov.uk> From: "Alex. Cessford" To: Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 16:09:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 November 1999 11:23 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released >On 03 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > >> OvationPro 2.55 is now available from this URL; > >> http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade255/252.zip > >> This is the next in a series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. >> So before you start playing with the upgrade, make sure you have a copy of >> 2.52 for future use. > >> The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will >> not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. > >My copy is 2.54, and I don't have 2.52. >How should I proceed, please? Hi, Get version 2.52 from David's website, keep a copy of it separate from the one you are going to use, (for future upgrades), and use that. Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:47:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109065 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941823334:10:02056:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:35:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115712; 5 Nov 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA25008 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:04:55 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25003 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 17:03:53 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16149 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:02:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 Nov 1999 08:48:37 GMT Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new >copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't >be thinking of charging for an upgrade. > >It will matter one day that a new version sells, obviously otherwise I won't >invest time and money in the project forever. All the more reason to get >things right first. > There is still a number of people over here clinging to Impressions because their existing work is trapped in that format. For those people the point is: "If I break my existing documents anyway, why not change right over to PC/Word and be compatible with most of my colleagues?" Guess I'll have to put my asbestos on now... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:49:16 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109069 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:49:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941812873:20:24943:39; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:41:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102635; 5 Nov 99 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23956 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:08:16 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23950 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:08:13 GMT Received: from modem-22.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.66.22] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jk1J-0003ME-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:07:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade Message-ID: <495c3a68d3Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Maureen Lewtas wrote: > I have just done the 2.52 to 2.55 upgrade. When I try to run OPro it > dies with the message: > "Template piximport not found" > I used my backup copy of 2.52 which is held on my hard disc. Should I > have used my original floppy discs. I had this until I read the instructions, particularly item 3: Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. As mentioned elsewhere, I nearly missed item 0 which would have resulted in my upgrading my stable copy of 2.52. OK this time of course, but hassle next time an upgrade is issued. HTH -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 17:49:18 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109070 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 17:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941813180:20:29668:22; Fri, 05 Nov 99 14:46:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029531; 5 Nov 99 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24122 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:21:28 GMT Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24116 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:21:26 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jkE6-0005wN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 14:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 14:19:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk>, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that > work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in > the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the > Templates file 30 Oct 1999. > If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. > Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. > The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, > IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over > a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. > If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an > error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. > Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. > AFAICT, everything else is fine. > So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and > templates files. I am sure david would be quick to point out that the template and messages files within !Upgrade have nothing whatever to do with OPro, but are used by !Upgrade itself. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 19:08:53 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109098 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 19:08:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941827937:20:00164:55; Fri, 05 Nov 99 18:52:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000274; 5 Nov 99 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25395 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:06 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25389 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:04 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11joBR-0001nZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:33:57 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:22:50 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <91b8ec5b49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Nov, Fred Bambrough wrote: > In message <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > [snip] > > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an > > upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the > > improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It > > would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with > > EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. > [snip] > > If there is to be a chargeable upgrade with major new features, would it > be a reasonable idea to make it with new floppies (Maybe a CD) even if > that involved an increased fee? > > At the moment I have my original 2.45 set, two more discs to make 2.46 > then a requirement to upgrade to 2.52, backups for the upgrades and so on. > It would be nice to have a clean start. > Good plan, we could stick all the resources/applets etc. on the CD as well and have a nice backup. David could even charge us a little more just to get the CDs. regards Nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! ----> Acorn Foongrep2 - supporting the "1999 CDfoon" ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 19:09:02 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109100 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 19:09:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941828725:20:10141:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 19:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104374; 5 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25390 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:04 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25384 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:35:02 GMT Received: from [212.238.81.99] (helo=neptune.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11joBT-0001nZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:33:59 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:19:21 +0100 (GMT) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <79471e5c49.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Neptune, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 05 Nov, F.R. Polak wrote: > In message <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> > opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > > >on line IUSWIM). > > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a > credit card. Any other means is such a hassle that I normally refrain > from a purchase. > Seconded. Best things for overseas cutomers are creditcard and website/email updates IMHO. regards Nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz / RISC OS 4 at home! ----> Acorn Foongrep2 - supporting the "1999 CDfoon" ! mailto:nico@neptune.demon.nl http://www.neptune.demon.nl/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:07:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109103 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:07:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941832907:10:02523:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 20:15:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112369; 5 Nov 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25632 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:59:09 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25627 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:59:07 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jpUp-000DJz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:58:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 19:57:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Masked sprite lock up To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Using a sprite saved out of Photdesk and importing it into a blank document and setting Referenced and Proxy images in V2.55 caused a bit of disc activity and then almost complete lock up of machine. Alt-Break gave the "Quit OvationPro" box but there was no response and mouse actions took no effect. Restarting machine and loading sprite into Paint, removing mask and resaving allowed the Referenced and Proxy images to work properly. This action was repeatable. Sprite is 17MB using RISCOS 4 PC610 machine with 50MB RAM. Any ideas? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:07:39 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109104 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:07:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941834584:20:20207:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 20:43:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019895; 5 Nov 99 20:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25753 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:27:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25748 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:27:52 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.136) [193.149.75.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jpwd-0003KE-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 20:26:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 20:14:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495c5c4bbdcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199911050904.JAA22067@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199911050904.JAA22067@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank supply you with the facility. I have a machine here and would be willing to pass the payments on to David at no extra charge ( I think he knows me well enough to trust this statement). Call it my service to David for such a useful workhorse on my computer. All those who read the piece in Acorn Publisher may be interested to know that a test has now been carried out with OvnPro and new CMYK files - the results will be ready this coming week. I am not sure how I await the reults yet :) Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:52:47 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109118 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:52:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941838199:20:29236:17; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:43:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029215; 5 Nov 99 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25911 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25906 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:46 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.130) [62.188.136.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jqgy-0004IO-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:14:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:12:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c56aafdtomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk>, > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that > > work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in > > the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the > > Templates file 30 Oct 1999. > > If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. > > Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. > > The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, > > IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over > > a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. > > If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an > > error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. > > Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. > > AFAICT, everything else is fine. > > So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and > > templates files. > I am sure david would be quick to point out that the template and > messages files within !Upgrade have nothing whatever to do with OPro, > but are used by !Upgrade itself. Ah... -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:52:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109120 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941837494:10:25057:20; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:31:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024570; 5 Nov 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25925 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:31 GMT Received: from mail22.svr.pol.co.uk (mail22.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.219]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25920 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:29 GMT Received: from modem-39.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.167] helo=beeston12) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jqhh-0006Z8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:15:32 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Filter for Word97 documents? Message-ID: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA25921 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear colleagues, Could someone tell me if a filter is available to transfer filed formatted by Word97 into OvationPro? And if so what OvationPro site is it available on? Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham, NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930  -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 21:52:56 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109121 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941838269:20:29800:26; Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:44:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125550; 5 Nov 99 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25939 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:37 GMT Received: from mail22.svr.pol.co.uk (mail22.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.219]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25933 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:35 GMT Received: from modem-39.viracept.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.167] helo=beeston12) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11jqhn-0006Z8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:15:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:13:23 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Oddity in TransIMP filter Help file Message-ID: <3bb7615c49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA25935 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I was rather puzzled recently when I had cause to read the Help files of the 5 filters supplied with OvationPro. The explanations for most of the filters seemed OK, but the file supplied with !TransIMP started off: (next 9 lines copied direct) Document: Help for TransRTF 1.83 Author: Rc Date: Mon 03rd May 1997 ============================================================================= TransRTF converts Rich Text into Ovation Pro DDL. Major omissions in conversion are as follows: No strikethrough \strike No expanded or condensed text \expnd or \cond No tables In other words, I am wondering if the wrong Filter has been supplied, or if the filter is all right but simply has a wrong Help file attached through some mistake. I had assumed !TransIMP might be to transfer Impression Style documents into OvationPro. Although pages 11 and 12 of the OvationPro release notes explicitly mention the OTHER filters, I can see no mention of this particular one. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham, NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930  -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:55:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109126 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941839529:20:12866:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:05:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012861; 5 Nov 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26102 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:38:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26097 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:38:00 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jr35-000N0I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:37:31 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:16:34 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more read= > >ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower when I go= > >on line IUSWIM). > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Definitely yes. In fact, I keep my credit card because of easy ordering overseas, more precise Great Britain. On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for C-style delete. When I have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because the delete key isn't working anymore. Mind you, the 'delete link' button on the toolbar still works. There are four possible combinations, both off, both on and one of the two on. The above anomaly only occurs with the operating system's 'PC delete' is ticked. Has anyone else found the same? -- groeten, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:55:47 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109127 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:55:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941840718:20:26349:30; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:25:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115142; 5 Nov 99 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26207 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:18 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26202 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:15 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrJD-000K1K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:54:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:49:08 GMT Message-Id: <109116@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Masked sprite lock up X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Restarting machine and loading sprite into Paint, removing mask and resaving >allowed the Referenced and Proxy images to work properly. This action was >repeatable. I don't know if I'd suspect the mask, more likely the size of the image. To make the proxy the whole thing has to be in memory. Put this together with yesterdays comments on OLE + Artworks, makes it sound like there are some bugs to find in this area. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:55:52 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109128 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:55:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941841332:20:03511:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:35:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120491; 5 Nov 99 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26410 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:08:18 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26405 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:08:14 GMT Received: from renet (p53-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.181]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id LAA14967 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:07:05 +1300 Message-ID: <000901bf27da$39af3240$b5c66dcb@renet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Turner?= To: References: Subject: Re: Re Template PixImport Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 11:07:55 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I can help with this one, the new template did not move across, Open your new Copy, go to Directory UK, then open same directory in the upgrade ... drag new template file in....... ----- Original Message ----- From: Mr B Kirk To: Sent: Saturday, 6 November 1999 01:31 Subject: Re Template PixImport > David, > > Loaded Upgrade 255, tried to load it and it came up with Template PixImort file > missing, any help would be appreciated. > > Bryan Kirk, > Bispham. > -- > > _____________________________________________________________________ > || Sunny / > /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk > / \ Blackpool / > / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 > _/\____/\______________/ > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109130 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941839824:10:20552:18; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020458; 5 Nov 99 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26183 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26178 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrJ4-000K1K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:54:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:24:51 GMT Message-Id: <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by >credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank >supply you with the facility. No doubt. Its another example of how things in reality are not quite as simple as they may seem. One high street bank greeted my enquiry with the statement that they would not extend merchant services to *any* company operating in the computer software or hardware market. Typically the commision is 3-5% with some fixed costs for equipment. Some of the new 'net payment systems like 'netbanx' reach 8% Thanks for the offers of help. Obviously you can buy my products with a credit card from a RISC OS dealer. However given the interest just displayed I'll see if we can sort something out in time for the promised upgrade. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109131 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941839826:10:20535:31; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:10:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126489; 5 Nov 99 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA26201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:15 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA26193 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:55:12 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrJ9-000K1K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 21:54:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:38:32 GMT Message-Id: <109114@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Draw file borders X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Whilst keeping the drawfile-based approach, rather than a separate dialogue, >perhaps you could you make it a set of small picture frames around the >frame. When I set out to add the draw file borders last weekend, I did think that a better way was to allow borders to be defined by a number of picture files. However the advantage of the Draw file system is that it records the relative position of the corners and the sides. They can overlap in other words. Currently the Draw file contains 2 objects, the corner and the side, an easy extension would be to allow it to contain up to 4 corners and 4 sides. Which would get you the Impression versatility but not particularly easily. >Hey,a generic drawfile *previewer* without having to load draw - there's an >idea... perhaps this could work like the clipboard page? Long ago, in the original OPro spec. there was a 'scrap book' feature which was like a non-volatile clip board that could hold lots of objects. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109132 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941840588:10:00201:27; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:23:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029776; 5 Nov 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26312 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:03:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26307 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:03:28 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jrRA-0000Hz-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:02:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 99 21:57:50 GMT Message-Id: <109124@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Oddity in TransIMP filter Help file X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In other words, I am wondering if the wrong Filter has been supplied, or if >the filter is all right but simply has a wrong Help file attached through >some mistake. Yes, the latter. >I had assumed !TransIMP might be to transfer Impression Style >documents into OvationPro. Well it does, sort of. But it's really little more than a joke. It is based on the idea that a program can go through any binary file and work out the text it contains. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 5 22:56:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109134 for opro ; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:56:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941841583:10:13463:51; Fri, 05 Nov 99 22:39:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013390; 5 Nov 99 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26671 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:25:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26666 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:25:41 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.36) [62.188.150.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jrmc-0005pV-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:24:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 21:24:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Upgrade problem solved Message-ID: <495c62bc92tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495c56aafdtomc@argonet.co.uk> References: <108993@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk> <495c3bd099C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> <495c56aa User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > On 05 Nov, Chris Johnson wrote: > > In article <495c31e1betomc@argonet.co.uk>, > > Mr T J Chubb wrote: > > > When I checked the dates, the messages and templates files that > > > work are the ones taken from the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK directory in > > > the upgrade. The messages file is dated 2 Nov 1999, and the > > > Templates file 30 Oct 1999. > > > If I use the ones from the !Upgrade directory, I get the problems. > > > Using the messages file (3 Nov 1999) causes the menus to corrupt. > > > The icon bar shows a title IBM00 and the entries include IBM01, > > > IBM02 etc, where IBM01 brings up the information window. Menu over > > > a document window is titled MM00 and all the entries are similar. > > > If I use the templates file from the !Upgrade directory, I get an > > > error message 'Template confirm not found' and the load aborts. > > > Using them both together, I get the ETEMP error. > > > AFAICT, everything else is fine. > > > So, I have a working 2.55, but without upgraded messages and > > > templates files. > > I am sure david would be quick to point out that the template and > > messages files within !Upgrade have nothing whatever to do with OPro, > > but are used by !Upgrade itself. > Ah... Did a from-scratch upgrade with a new download. Problem solved. Still not sure why it didn't work the first time. Cheers, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109142 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941844658:10:20893:19; Fri, 05 Nov 99 23:30:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020709; 5 Nov 99 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA27098 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:03:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA27093 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:03:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.163) [193.149.75.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jsMp-0006bV-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:02:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 18:48:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Message-ID: <495c5472c4charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109011@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Fri 05 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >I would agree with this. I would have ordered stuff online far more > > >read= ily if you could have taken a credit card (I'm usually mellower > > >when I go= on line IUSWIM). > > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > > > > I've heard mutterings about VISA taking huge cuts like this, but you > hardly ever see surcharges for VISA payments or discounts for cash. > Wonder why? ISTR the Office of Fair Trading stopped this practice. It was quite common when credit cards were new. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:11 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109143 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941842938:20:20751:22; Fri, 05 Nov 99 23:02:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2102624; 5 Nov 99 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26823 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:47:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA26818 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:47:53 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.4) [62.188.144.4] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11js87-0006Gr-00; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 22:46:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Nov 1999 19:33:26 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495C58909A%mik@xemik.com> References: <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> In-Reply-To: <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> Martin Vethake wrote: > There is still a number of people over here clinging to Impressions > because their existing work is trapped in that format. This is a major problem for me. I have quite a few docs that I still use regularly (& archive docs which I need to keep) which are in Imp' Pub' format. Now that Drawfile borders have been intro'd there is only one major headache left for me & that is tables. Almost all of the IP docs I still need are tables 'templates'. > For those people the point is: "If I break my existing documents anyway, > why not change right over to PC/Word and be compatible with most of my > colleagues?" Not all of us. ;-) I bought OPro at the Wakefield Show in May because I expected it to be developed further. > Guess I'll have to put my asbestos on now... I doubt it. Remember you /are/ on a RISC OS list. >:-> -- Prunes give you a run for your money __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:22:55 GMT Received: from renet (p53-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.181]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA20583 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:21:47 +1300 Message-ID: <009901bf27e4$a84cdea0$b5c66dcb@renet> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Turner?= To: References: <199911050904.JAA22067@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <495c5c4bbdcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:22:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Ah.... an interesting solution...... lotsa goodies i can buy from David now........ thank s Colin how about it David........ Smile........... ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Woolf To: Sent: Saturday, 6 November 1999 09:14 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments > On 05 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? > > > Definitely Yes! Ordering overseas is so much more convenient using a > > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > supply you with the facility. > > I have a machine here and would be willing to pass the payments on > to David at no extra charge ( I think he knows me well enough to > trust this statement). > > Call it my service to David for such a useful workhorse on my > computer. All those who read the piece in Acorn Publisher may be > interested to know that a test has now been carried out with OvnPro > and new CMYK files - the results will be ready this coming week. I > am not sure how I await the reults yet :) > > Cheers > > -- > > Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design > _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:23 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109148 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941849861:20:00077:25; Sat, 06 Nov 99 00:57:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121986; 6 Nov 99 0:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27718 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27713 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:14 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.156) [193.149.71.156] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jtvj-0000P8-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:42:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:19:14 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: OP 2.55 release Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (01:46:24), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Would you be prepared to pay 5% extra for the convenience? Well yes I would but I can see that others wouldn't and realise that you are endeavouring to make your products as economic as possible. I still cling (somewhat tenuously) to the view that if people can order products online they are more likely to do so and this could result in greater sales. You've obviously looked into this and there is no doubt an overhead at your end if you adopt a credit card system. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 01:27:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109147 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:27:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941850655:10:08261:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:10:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102157; 6 Nov 99 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA27725 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA27720 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:43:17 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.156) [193.149.71.156] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11jtvm-0000P8-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 00:42:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 23:45:11 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (20:14:11 +0000), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > supply you with the facility. I was going to reply in view of the can of worms I had opened up quite differently until I read the above. If the above is true how do theatres etc get away with surcharging at least 10% extra for credit card bookings (they always refer to it as a booking charge). Sheffield theatres all charge extra if you pay by credit card. I was particularly interested in the replies from overseas enthusiasts who obviously find it difficult to transfer funds without incuring a very high overhead - as I said before there seems to be no simple way to send small sums of money to another country. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 13:47:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109157 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 13:47:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941893352:10:13241:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 13:02:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117399; 6 Nov 99 13:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA28958 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:32:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28953 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:32:07 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.92) [62.188.143.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11k4zf-0001jn-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 12:30:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 10:49:59 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Printing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > >Everthing else is working OK but every time I try to print from OP I > get Bad > >page number. (Even on a blank document) Presumably something hasnt > upgraded > >properly > > Yes its the Messages file, the same scenario people encounter with > the Templates file. > > Following all the steps in the !ReadMe should avoid this. > > > David Pilling > Many thanks for all suggestions. Eventually found that I had "newer" ticked as well as "force" Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 14:26:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109162 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 14:26:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941897765:10:18147:27; Sat, 06 Nov 99 14:16:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018028; 6 Nov 99 14:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29147 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:48:50 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29142 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:48:49 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k6Bo-000NVG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 13:47:32 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 01:30:23 GMT Message-Id: <109150@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: PC style delete X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for PC-style delete. When I >have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because the >delete key isn't working anymore. I guess you'll find a number of oddities with PC style delete ticked. I'd not thought of the above one, but back when ROS4 came out I noted the general problem here. Sorry I've just not done anything about it yet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 16:22:12 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109166 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941901184:20:05024:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 15:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117002; 6 Nov 99 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29490 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:57:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29485 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:57:20 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k7Gj-00099a-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:56:41 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 14:31:03 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, Richard Watkinson wrote: > On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (20:14:11 +0000), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > > supply you with the facility. > > I was going to reply in view of the can of worms I had opened up quite > differently until I read the above. > > If the above is true how do theatres etc get away with surcharging at least 10% > extra for credit card bookings (they always refer to it as a booking charge). > Sheffield theatres all charge extra if you pay by credit card. > > I was particularly interested in the replies from overseas enthusiasts who > obviously find it difficult to transfer funds without incuring a very high > overhead - as I said before there seems to be no simple way to send small sums > of money to another country. The simple way is sending some five pound notes in an envelope. Or a Eurocheque (but Eurocheques are on the way out). Every time you do that you hope it goes alright. The best way is the creditcard. If the company doesn't accept them, the purchase gets less attractive. Five percent extra is acceptable but not on every price. Things will change in the rest of Europe but I'm sure my bank will still ask extra money on transactions with the UK after the Euro change. They do now on all foreign transactions though there is no real value risk in the EC. If UK banks are difficult on credit card facilities you might try a foreign bank in London. Or a bank account in the Netherlands for the transactions on the continent. That is of course not a solution for the customers in NZ etc. I love the idea to have OP + extra's on a CD. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 16:22:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109167 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941905326:10:04044:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003659; 6 Nov 99 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29749 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:54:27 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29744 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:54:25 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k89O-000LEF-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:53:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 11:13:53 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <4caaae5c49.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message rwatki@argonet.co.uk (Richard Watkinson) wrote: > On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (20:14:11 +0000), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I think you will find that charging a higher fee for the payment by > > credit card is against the terms and conditions that the bank > > supply you with the facility. > > I was going to reply in view of the can of worms I had opened up quite > differently until I read the above. > > If the above is true how do theatres etc get away with surcharging at > least 10% extra for credit card bookings (they always refer to it as a > booking charge). Sheffield theatres all charge extra if you pay by > credit card. > > I was particularly interested in the replies from overseas enthusiasts > who obviously find it difficult to transfer funds without incuring a > very high overhead - as I said before there seems to be no simple way to > send small sums of money to another country. Charge for postage and packing. OvPro could be described as a heavyweight package. :-) I'm not sure I understand the problem here. This discussion is about upgrades rather than the full package, isn't it? People have been saying that they want to give David money. How much would an upgrade cost? Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? Why not just add in the credit card surcharge whether it's paid for by CC or not? Don't retailers do this, or add at least a proportion? -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 16:22:17 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109168 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:22:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941901848:20:11099:25; Sat, 06 Nov 99 15:24:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010981; 6 Nov 99 15:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29547 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:09:16 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29542 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:09:15 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11k7Re-0009lZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 15:07:58 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 15:06:58 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Masked sprite lock up Message-ID: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Malcolm Cowell wrote: > Using a sprite saved out of Photdesk and importing it into a blank document > and setting Referenced and Proxy images in V2.55 caused a bit of disc > activity and then almost complete lock up of machine. [snip] > Any ideas? Have you got Photodesk saving in Paint format (1-bit mask) or its own 8-bit mask format? If the latter, that could explain the problem. John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Nov 6 17:23:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109178 for opro ; Sat, 06 Nov 99 17:23:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941908870:10:22950:21; Sat, 06 Nov 99 17:21:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102056; 6 Nov 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA29975 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:07:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA29970 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:07:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k9Hg-0003wg-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:05:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 16:24:08 GMT Message-Id: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How much would an upgrade cost? Thats a good question... >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank 5% of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole lot of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. I can feel which way the wind is blowing. Shifting paper and discs around is pretty stupid now. It'd be much more efficient if everyone paid by credit card and downloaded the software from the 'net. Lower prices for you, and less non-creative work for me. These are transitional times, much as the way I do business will have to change, the way credit cards work is also going to change. The systems the banks are using now date from before the 'net. And they're not keen on e-commerce down at local branch level. Whats worse the software will have to change, no paper, no DTP. Now about XML... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109183 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941909503:10:29600:31; Sat, 06 Nov 99 17:31:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000176; 6 Nov 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30039 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:16:08 GMT Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30034 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:16:06 GMT Received: from line102.slip.csx.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.99.102] helo=mrc7.cam.ac.uk) by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11k9QQ-0004K5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:14:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:15:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >How much would an upgrade cost? > > Thats a good question... > > >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? > > Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. > > Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank > 5% of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the > account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole > lot of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. > > I can feel which way the wind is blowing. Shifting paper and discs around > is pretty stupid now. It'd be much more efficient if everyone paid by > credit card and downloaded the software from the 'net. Lower prices for > you, and less non-creative work for me. > > These are transitional times, much as the way I do business will have to > change, the way credit cards work is also going to change. The systems the > banks are using now date from before the 'net. And they're not keen on > e-commerce down at local branch level. > > Whats worse the software will have to change, no paper, no DTP. Now about > XML... > > > David Pilling > Isn't there a different possibility of using charge cards for payments? My understanding is that these operate under different regulations to credit cards. Many organisations that don't accept credit cards do seem to accept charge cards as an alternative to cheques. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // || ,_ o M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ Tel.+44 1223 333705 Fax.+44 1223 333875 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109185 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941911515:20:13738:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 18:05:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013656; 6 Nov 99 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30184 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:37:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30179 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:37:48 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11k9lH-0007Pj-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 17:36:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:59:55 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108942@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, [snip] > > > I think I'll stick to the original plan. In a few months there should be an > upgrade worthy of the name for which it will be worth paying. Most of the > improvements recently won't have been of much interest to many users. It > would not be a very happy experience to start trying to sell an upgrade with > EPS to people who'd much rather have tables and bullets. > > More important is that a significant improvement might start to sell new > copies. If I could sell a reasonable number of new copies I wouldn't > be thinking of charging for an upgrade. > > It will matter one day that a new version sells, obviously otherwise I won't > invest time and money in the project forever. All the more reason to get > things right first. > I just wish everyone had your integrity. many thanks again. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109186 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941919279:10:16812:21; Sat, 06 Nov 99 20:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016421; 6 Nov 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA30645 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:46:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30640 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:46:56 GMT Received: from (193.149.76.197) [193.149.76.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kBmL-0000fr-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:45:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Scott (Apps)) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 19:41:16 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Delete key operation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 5 Nov 1999 (21:16:34 +0100), peter@pberg.demon.nl wrote: > On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for PC-style delete. When I > have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because > the delete key isn't working anymore. Mind you, the 'delete link' > button on the toolbar still works. There are four possible combinations, > both off, both on and one of the two on. > The above anomaly only occurs with the operating system's 'PC delete' > is ticked. Has anyone else found the same? > I agree that there are some anomalies here - but have you tried the Backspace key since this has the original functionality of the Delete key? -- David Scott email: djscott@argonet.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------- Personal web site: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/djscott/ Christians in Schools: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/djscott/cist/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109187 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941915079:20:15725:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 19:04:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106106; 6 Nov 99 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30332 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:37:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30327 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:37:14 GMT Received: from (62.188.135.243) [62.188.135.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kAgv-0007Ig-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 18:35:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 17:48:10 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495CD2C338%mik@xemik.com> References: <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109112@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Obviously you can buy my products with a credit card from a RISC OS dealer. Presumably this would mean less profit for you, tho'. Not wishing to get into specifics, of course, but I wonder if the 'lost' profit on such a sale would be more or less than the commission on a cr/card sale. IIRC one or two at the Wakefield Show shared the cr/card facility. -- Tagline missing, presumed fled. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:44:11 GMT Received: from [195.102.201.3] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11kDbD-00016k-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 21:42:15 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:00:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 19:59:41 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >How much would an upgrade cost? > > Thats a good question... > > >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? > > Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. > > Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank 5% > of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the > account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole lot > of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. > I know what you mean - we've been through the same issues ourselves. But one thing strikes me as a customer: it's not just the supplier that gets ripped off by the banks. If I write you a cheque on our business account it seems to cost us an obscene amount in bank charges. If I include the cost of generating a paper-based order, posting it to you, the time involved in getting the whole thing together and walking down to the post-office - it probably exceeds the extra 5% you might put on the cost at your end. There are one or two other suppliers in the Risc Os field who cannot take credit cards and I have to say we've more or less given up with them. It's caused so much extra work and hassle for us that we've gone to rival providers. (Of course, we don't really have that option with OvationPro!) So the difficult thing is to know how much extra business you might actually generate by acquiring merchant status. One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure transactions have been holding back the market here ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109191 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941934212:10:13698:20; Sun, 07 Nov 99 00:23:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013589; 7 Nov 99 0:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA31424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:48:28 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31419 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:48:26 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kFY3-000HPU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:47:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 20:34:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Filter for Word97 documents? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Nov, Robin Phillips wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Could someone tell me if a filter is available to transfer filed formatted by > Word97 into OvationPro? And if so what OvationPro site is it available on? > !TransWord. Doesn't do everything, but a fair amount. Try: http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:02:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109196 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941929746:20:24268:17; Sat, 06 Nov 99 23:09:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024194; 6 Nov 99 23:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31152 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:40:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA31147 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:40:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.73.39) [193.149.73.39] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kEUY-0003O2-00; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:39:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 18:22:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released In-Reply-To: <495C58909A%mik@xemik.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > In message <199911051702.SAA16149@widukind.bi.teuto.net> > Martin Vethake wrote: > > There is still a number of people over here clinging to Impressions > > because their existing work is trapped in that format. > This is a major problem for me. I have quite a few docs that I still use > regularly (& archive docs which I need to keep) which are in Imp' Pub' > format. > Now that Drawfile borders have been intro'd there is only one major headache > left for me & that is tables. Almost all of the IP docs I still need are > tables 'templates'. If you've got Impression Publisher then you've got a copy of Tablemate 1. Why not export any data you need from the tables as text story, replace the tabs with commas and import that file into Tablemate. I know it's a bind redefining your styles and Tab positions, but it would be worth it in the long run. Having said the above, I still keep my copy of IP to ease access to legacy files, but I wonder how many more upgrades of RISCOS will occur before IP no longer works. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109197 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941930392:20:29365:18; Sat, 06 Nov 99 23:19:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100386; 6 Nov 99 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA31200 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:52:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31195 for ; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:52:43 GMT Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kEg8-000FU0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Nov 1999 22:51:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 22:50:57 GMT From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: References: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >How much would an upgrade cost? > > Thats a good question... > > >Is 5 p/c of that going to be a large amount? > > Well 5% is 5% it might not be much on one upgrade, but on 1000 off. > > Look I don't want to sound grasping, I can live with giving a major bank 5% > of my turnover. However its 5% + costs of the equipment + costs of the > account + I promise they'll make a minumum profit on the deal + a whole lot > of jumping through hoops everytime I take a payment. Err, I think you may have got my meaning back to front. The fact that 5% on each transaction isn't much is what I was getting at. Rather than suggesting that you were grasping, I was suggesting that it wouldn't mean much to each of us to pay the extra percentage even if we didn't pay by CC. That way you wouldn't be seen to be making a surcharge for plastic and wouldn't make a loss. Perhaps, given the rest of what you say above, it wouldn't add up anyway. I don't think anyone here is going to call you grasping. Quite the reverse. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109208 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942052241:20:24639:24; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:10:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024412; 8 Nov 99 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02896 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:20:25 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02891 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:20:23 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-9-31.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.31]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C2325DB112 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:19:44 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:59:36 +0100 Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> References: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > > > John Schild wrote: > > > > > Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to > > > spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? > > > > > > I /never/seem to see it on proof reading; and would hate to have to > > > migrate to M$Word to get over the problem! > > > > > > > The problem that that approach runs into is - repeated words are > > sometimes legal. But I suppose a warning might be useful ... > Quite. I use other WP s/w on a PC (for Hebrew work) and it flags > repeated words. I find it very annoying when it flags words which > should be repeated, although it is useful when I have occasionally > made a mistake. On balance, it is a bit of a nuisance, although > a warning of some sort of warning might be a compromise. It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double words. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109210 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942053850:20:19400:33; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:37:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019279; 8 Nov 99 9:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00249 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:03:49 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00244 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:03:47 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11kkBd-0004w4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:30:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:24:28 +0100 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > > I know what you mean - we've been through the same issues > ourselves. But one thing strikes me as a customer: it's not just > the supplier that gets ripped off by the banks. If I write you a > cheque on our business account it seems to cost us an obscene > amount in bank charges. If I include the cost of generating a > paper-based order, posting it to you, the time involved in > getting the whole thing together and walking down to the > post-office - it probably exceeds the extra 5% you might put on > the cost at your end. There are one or two other suppliers in the > Risc Os field who cannot take credit cards and I have to say > we've more or less given up with them. It's caused so much extra > work and hassle for us that we've gone to rival providers. (Of > course, we don't really have that option with OvationPro!) I did read some horror stories on UK banks some years ago. The low level of service and what they dare ask for it. That didn't change over the years? Transactions within the country are cheap in the Netherlands. If so could David ask a foreign bank in London to give him credit card facilities? And he can always open a bank account in the Netherlands to receive the continental contributions. With the Euro, banks will soon be forced to use the same rates for foreign transactions. They don't do it yet and that is investigated now as there is no risk in value changes. I know some Dutch people that have a German bank account to buy cheaper electronics in Germany. There are others that have a bank account there for other reasons .... This doesn't help the NZ customers however. With non-Euro countries in the EC one may expect different rates for transactions to them even after the change. I've used banknotes and Eurocheques in envelopes and that is not the way I like to pay. Anyway Eurocheques are on the way out I'm afraid. A credit card is the easiest way, 5% on an upgrade is alright but on bigger sums it can be a lot of money that goes down the drain. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109213 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942054189:20:24823:23; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:43:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024741; 8 Nov 99 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00401 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:26:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00396 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:26:21 GMT Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kZ9X-000Gpi-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 20:43:07 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:08:46 GMT Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 20:52:50 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495D620360%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol wrote: > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > transactions have been holding back the market here ... He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109219 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942052546:10:14214:22; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:15:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014002; 8 Nov 99 9:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31580 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:46:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA31575 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:46:09 +0100 Received: from obanphys.demon.co.uk ([158.152.51.151]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aOtb-0009PK-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:44:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan H Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:36:36 +0100 Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494ef51eabperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: [snip] > It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double > words. I'll concede that "that that" is fine, but an applet that removes *both* "very"s would do us all a favour. Cheerio, Alan. -- Alan H Partridge, Physics Department, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:03:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109223 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942055169:20:10132:22; Mon, 08 Nov 99 09:59:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010106; 8 Nov 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00481 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:30:37 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00476 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:30:33 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p67-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.199]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id RAA01229 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:14:19 +1300 Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 17:12:18 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB00481 On Sun 07 Nov, David Graddol wrote: > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > transactions have been holding back the market here ... >=20 >=20 >=20 > David >=20 >=20 No SSL problems here...... ;-) shhhhh Ren=E9 you may get in trouble....... Giggle --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109227 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942055669:20:17912:28; Mon, 08 Nov 99 10:07:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017983; 8 Nov 99 10:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA20780 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:17:38 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20775 for ; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:17:36 GMT Received: from davbros.demon.co.uk ([158.152.143.174]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11jXzf-0009tG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Nov 1999 01:16:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 00:36:53 +0000 (GMT) From: David Broster Subject: Re: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? To: OvationPro In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 04 Nov, A.F. Taylor wrote: > Thanks very much for the new upgrade. There is a problem for users of > Russell Thompson's !Expand applet - it completely stiffed my computer on > trying to load OPro 2.55 with it present! I don't know if Russell is still > 'active' in the applet writing/revising field but I hope he might sort out > this rather useful one. (ROS 4.00, if it's relevant) > > Regards, > !Expand seems to work perfectly here with 2.55 (ROS 4.02) but I do have a similar problem with the !NewFrames applet. Regards David -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109229 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942055410:10:12029:187; Mon, 08 Nov 99 10:03:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014437; 8 Nov 99 9:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00377 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:23:47 GMT Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00372 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:23:39 GMT Received: from Pzed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-03.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.133]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA09570 for ; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 18:03:18 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 10:42:23 +0100 (BST) From: David Love Subject: Suddenly it doesn't ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAA00373 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB00377 Hi! For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPro to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro icon and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where they appear as: {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Address=95} {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Postcode=95} Click test and nothing happens. No name and address appears. the filds obstinately stay as they were. I do have the Impulse Applet loaded. Indeed, I downloaded it again a few minutes ago, just in case there had been some alterations. David --=20 Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109233 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942057067:10:07850:141; Mon, 08 Nov 99 10:31:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122638; 8 Nov 99 10:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00783 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:55:02 GMT Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00776 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:55:00 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.219] (helo=mail22.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11kLqy-00019f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:31:04 +0000 Received: from modem-32.rubidium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.18.32] helo=loopback) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11kLqk-0002V8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 06:30:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 20:23:33 +0000 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New filer icons Message-ID: X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.02 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I now have 2.55 although I have had little chance to use it in happiness let alone anger. One thing which did strike me imediately though was the new RISC OS 4 filer icons. Before I continue I will point out that unlike most I quite like the new look ROS4 style. The ovation icons seem to use a blue which is a little more vivid than the standard ROS4 blue. They are a tad bright for the rest of the scheme. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ----------------\ "You'd better hope there's inteligent \ life somewhere out in space because snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ there's bugger all down here on http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/ \ Earth" - The Galaxy Song, M. Python -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:04:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109245 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:04:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942060095:10:14925:250; Mon, 08 Nov 99 11:21:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005002; 8 Nov 99 11:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01166 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:29:46 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01161 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:29:44 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.223] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11km2h-0005QO-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 10:28:56 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:15:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:14:50 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <7deeb05d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494ef51eabperdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan H Partridge wrote: > In article <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk>, > Ray Dawson wrote: > > [snip] > > > It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double > > words. > > I'll concede that "that that" is fine, but an applet that removes *both* > "very"s would do us all a favour. > Well, of course, it's true that *that* "that that" is OK, but sometimes it's just a case repeated words. David (OK who's going to go for five ..) -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109254 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942069200:10:29239:18; Mon, 08 Nov 99 13:53:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128088; 8 Nov 99 13:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01914 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:19 GMT Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01909 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:17 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-11-107.easynet.co.uk [212.134.18.107]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8258ADB0C4 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:04 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 10:27:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New filer icons Message-ID: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Matthew Hambley wrote: > I now have 2.55 although I have had little chance to use it in > happiness let alone anger. One thing which did strike me imediately > though was the new RISC OS 4 filer icons. Before I continue I will > point out that unlike most I quite like the new look ROS4 style. The > ovation icons seem to use a blue which is a little more vivid than the > standard ROS4 blue. They are a tad bright for the rest of the scheme. Yes, I noticed the new icon as it replaced the one I had made myself. What puzzles me is where it is in OP as I couldn't find it in any of the sprite files. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109255 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942069885:10:08726:20; Mon, 08 Nov 99 14:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008396; 8 Nov 99 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01925 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:59 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01916 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:56 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kOVh-000HBl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:21:17 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:01:47 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: Delete key operation To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, David Scott (Apps) wrote: > > The above anomaly only occurs with the operating system's 'PC delete' > > is ticked. Has anyone else found the same? > > > I agree that there are some anomalies here - but have you tried the Backspace > key since this has the original functionality of the Delete key? I did, it didn't work either. Best to have it switched off, and use the built-in PC-delete of OPro. It's not very important, I'm still used to the old Acorn-style Backspace anyway. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109258 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942069364:20:18415:18; Mon, 08 Nov 99 13:56:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117850; 8 Nov 99 13:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01927 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:23:00 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01918 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 13:22:57 GMT Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kOVf-000HBl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 09:21:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1999 23:04:16 +0100 (GMT) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: PC style delete To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109150@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >On another subject, RISC OS 4 has an option for PC-style delete. When I > >have that switched on, links between frames can't be removed because the > >delete key isn't working anymore. > > I guess you'll find a number of oddities with PC style delete ticked. > I'd not thought of the above one, but back when ROS4 came out I > noted the general problem here. It's not that important. I wrote about it just to let you and of course other users know. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:05:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109276 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942075891:10:19254:27; Mon, 08 Nov 99 15:44:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111355; 8 Nov 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02447 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02439 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:01 GMT Received: from (62.188.144.132) [62.188.144.132] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kYHa-0003kP-00; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:47:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:40:11 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Red underlines for mis-spelt words; a bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I hadn't seen anyone else mention this, but it seems to persist with me. When you have the red underlines, and also hyphenation, enabled, and if a word is hyphenated, and if the fragment on the second line isn't a recognised word, it gets a red underline. Not a serious bug, but a bit annoying. Is this known, or can it be something I am doing wrong? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109280 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:05:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942078181:10:14960:21; Mon, 08 Nov 99 16:23:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014530; 8 Nov 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02817 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:47:09 GMT Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA02812 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:47:08 GMT Received: from [130.159.56.178] (helo=rosco.chem.strath.ac.uk) by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11kqvX-0002Lr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:41:51 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:45:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: New filer icons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , Matthew Hambley > wrote: > > I now have 2.55 although I have had little chance to use it in > > happiness let alone anger. One thing which did strike me imediately > > though was the new RISC OS 4 filer icons. Before I continue I will > > point out that unlike most I quite like the new look ROS4 style. The > > ovation icons seem to use a blue which is a little more vivid than the > > standard ROS4 blue. They are a tad bright for the rest of the scheme. > > Yes, I noticed the new icon as it replaced the one I had made myself. > > What puzzles me is where it is in OP as I couldn't find it in any of the > sprite files. > The new icons are in the sprite files !OvnPro.4Sprites and !OvnPro.4Sprites22 The difference between them and the RISC OS 4 ROM sprite files is that the OPro pale blue areas are solid colour 251 (from the 256 colour palette) whereas the RISC OS 4 ones have this colour interspersed with white to appear as a paler blue. Regards, Phil. -- Phil Dennison (p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109284 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942081084:10:19117:17; Mon, 08 Nov 99 17:11:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018908; 8 Nov 99 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02991 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:38:10 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02986 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:38:09 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA02428 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 16:37:57 GMT Message-ID: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:38:07 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109296 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942075874:20:05488:28; Mon, 08 Nov 99 15:44:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104848; 8 Nov 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02464 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02452 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:04 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.189) [62.188.133.189] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kkcX-0005nD-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 08:57:50 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 09:36:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495d299046steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109169@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Fred Bambrough wrote: > I don't think anyone here is going to call you grasping. Quite the > reverse. Quite. Given that we've just had over a week of us arguing with David over whether he should charge us for the upgrade, and a the rather unusual situation of the customer arguing the price UP... Tell you what David, include a free copy of A.N. Other item of utility software (e.g. SparkFS [1])with the cash orders, leave it out on the credit card transactions. Effectively a surcharge, or is that a bonus for cash? [1] OK some already have that, but others may not, and those that don't damned well ought to have :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109299 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942087712:10:16509:19; Mon, 08 Nov 99 19:01:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129929; 8 Nov 99 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03598 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:27:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03593 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:27:34 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ktTI-000PPD-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:24:52 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:22:49 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake writes >One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over >your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note >of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. > Personally, I'm a bit at odds with David's upgrade instructions (Yes, I know - go wash my mouth out with soap :) Anyway, it probably doesn't help you much right now, but for others who have not yet upgraded, and maybe for David instructions in the future, here's how to avoid that hassle: 1) Make a copy of your current OPro application directory (this allows you to back-track in an emergency) 2) Make sure you have "force" selected but not "newer" in your copy options. 3) copy the !RunImage file from 2.52 into what *was* your current OPro application directory (the one you just copied) 4. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. 5. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. 6. Run the new application to ensure it works. Now, you will note that you actually *only* need to keep the 2.52 !Runimage for upgrading - not the whole application. If you're short on disc space, this may be a life-saver. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:06:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109302 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:06:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942078729:20:21893:21; Mon, 08 Nov 99 16:32:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021897; 8 Nov 99 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02470 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02457 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:13:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.27) [193.149.83.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kXyK-0003Ob-00; Sun, 7 Nov 1999 19:27:28 +0000 Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 13:51:01 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.55 upgrade released Message-ID: <495D40E33F%mik@xemik.com> References: <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495cd5e439docmart@argonet.co.uk> John Martin wrote: > On 05 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > > I have quite a few docs that I still use regularly (& archive docs which > > I need to keep) which are in Imp' Pub' format. > > > [...] there is only one major headache left for me & that is tables. > > Almost all of the IP docs I still need are tables 'templates'. > If you've got Impression Publisher then you've got a copy of Tablemate 1. Very true, but I gave up on it. It was too much like hard work. ;-) > Why not export any data you need from the tables as text story, replace > the tabs with commas and import that file into Tablemate. I exported the data to Easiwriter Pro & produced a table that way. > I know it's a bind redefining your styles and Tab positions, but it would > be worth it in the long run. But it would be better not to have Drawfile tables, don't you think? > Having said the above, I still keep my copy of IP to ease access to legacy > files, but I wonder how many more upgrades of RISCOS will occur before IP > no longer works. I'll stick it on my son's A410 with RO3.1. :o) -- This sentance has threee errors __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:29:43 GMT Received: from lanark.spa.umn.edu (lanark.spa.umn.edu [128.101.220.29]) by spartha.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24212 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: (from allan@localhost) by lanark.spa.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08208 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:26 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 15:29:26 -0600 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <19991108152926.H6262@lanark.spa.umn.edu> References: <495D620360%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3us In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 09:07:27PM +0000, Steve Ellacott wrote: > On Sun 07 Nov, Norman Thomas wrote: > > In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol > > wrote: > > > > > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > > > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > > > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > > > transactions have been holding back the market here ... > > > > He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. > > I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system > > would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of > > RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our > > 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping > > facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... > > So what is the problem? UK Fresco customers can get the SSL module just by > emailing Paul Vigay. > > paul.support@argonet.co.uk > > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109317 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942084118:20:15345:17; Mon, 08 Nov 99 18:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015330; 8 Nov 99 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03400 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:44:24 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03395 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 17:44:21 GMT Received: (qmail 6234 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1999 17:00:43 -0000 Received: from userbf87.uk.uudial.com (HELO userbf87) (62.188.142.108) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 1999 17:00:43 -0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 15:56:25 GMT From: Steve Harratt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro 2.55 Message-ID: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello All having just downloaded and inastalled version 2.55. Is it now just a simple case of copying accross any applets that I used as well as the !Prefs file. What other files, if any should be copied over to the new version. This might be a simple request, but I don't know the answer, hence the question. Thanks -- Some cops are good some bad -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109327 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942087369:20:00528:17; Mon, 08 Nov 99 18:56:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000249; 8 Nov 99 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03656 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:40:05 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03651 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:40:03 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-8-203.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.203]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A60F87B180 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:39:50 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 16:14:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New filer icons Message-ID: <495dd1e3c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Phil Dennison wrote: > > Yes, I noticed the new icon as it replaced the one I had made myself. > > > > What puzzles me is where it is in OP as I couldn't find it in any of > > the sprite files. > > > The new icons are in the sprite files !OvnPro.4Sprites and > !OvnPro.4Sprites22 Whoops - how did I miss that! Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109328 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942104593:10:05177:35; Mon, 08 Nov 99 23:43:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004869; 8 Nov 99 23:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04881 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:12:04 GMT Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (ds-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.134]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04876 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:12:02 GMT Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) id SAA13706 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:11:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:10:18 -0500 From: Nobilangelo Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" Message-ID: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA04877 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is a very simple way of securing plastic payments, which applies particularly to Risc OS users (because no Wintel nasty can read anything from it). I have used it for years. Put your card details on a small sprite (using Paint), and for good measure squash it, then archive/uuencode the file and send it as an attachment, with a reference in the email to `payment details attached' (the reference is non-specific in case some sniffer is looking for a ccard-specific phrase). The chances that a Wintel sniffer could figure out all that must be astronomically against. -- Nobilangelo Ceramalus (New Zealand) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109333 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942110160:10:09952:19; Tue, 09 Nov 99 01:16:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120172; 9 Nov 99 1:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05443 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:55 GMT Received: from halibut.pnc.com.au (halibut.pnc.com.au [203.13.174.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA05438 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:49 GMT Received: (qmail 8859 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1999 00:58:24 -0000 Received: from d250-nas3.pen.pnc.com.au (HELO koalasoft.pnc.com.au) (203.57.114.250) by halibut.pnc.com.au with SMTP; 9 Nov 1999 00:58:24 -0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:49:57 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Jones Subject: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK, This is going all around the world (no pun intended). I am in a position to help here. I have e-mailed David direct and if my proposal is acceptable I/David will advise via this list. Kindest regards Alan ************************************************************************** Alan J Jones | -- ACORN DEALER and RESOURCE CENTRE -- | Proptietor | Distributors of Acorn Third Party Software for | Koala Soft | Education, Business and Home Computing | | PO. Box 157, Winmalee. NSW 2777. AUSTRALIA | ************************************************************************** -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109339 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942092318:20:06306:21; Mon, 08 Nov 99 20:18:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124126; 8 Nov 99 20:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03972 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:59:52 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03967 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:59:50 GMT Received: from [195.102.197.211] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11kuwJ-0006Ds-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:58:56 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:52:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:52:11 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underlines for mis-spelt words; a bug? Message-ID: <1ecae55d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > I hadn't seen anyone else mention this, but it seems to persist with me. > When you have the red underlines, and also hyphenation, enabled, and if > a word is hyphenated, and if the fragment on the second line isn't a > recognised word, it gets a red underline. Not a serious bug, but a bit > annoying. Is this known, or can it be something I am doing wrong? > This certainly happens with me. Actually,it makes the spell-checking facility pretty useless for much of our work. I would dearly like to see the buglet fixed so that fragments of hyphenated words do not get treated as errors. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:07:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109341 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942093430:20:21198:33; Mon, 08 Nov 99 20:37:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021299; 8 Nov 99 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04054 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA04049 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:45 GMT Received: from (62.188.139.105) [62.188.139.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11kv3f-00045V-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:06:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:04:58 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: double double trouble Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 8 Nov 1999 (10:14:50 +0000), david@english.co.uk wrote: >(OK who's going to go for five ..) > A publican comes out of his pub and calls up to the signwriter at work overhead, "It would look better with more space between the 'George' and 'And', and 'And' and Dragon." (Not five times 'that', I know, but maybe it counts?) Richard ;-) -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109343 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:07:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942138782:10:22682:18; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:13:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114887; 9 Nov 99 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06841 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:54 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06836 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:52 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA11060 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:32 GMT Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:54:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <0c34d05d49.Steve@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Steve Harratt wrote: > Hello All > > having just downloaded and inastalled version 2.55. > > Is it now just a simple case of copying accross any applets that I used > as well as the !Prefs file. > > What other files, if any should be copied over to the new version. > or you could do it the other way around and just copy the RunImage from your new 2.55 into your old !OvPro. Alf -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109344 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942139961:10:07698:39; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:32:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007945; 9 Nov 99 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA06850 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:55:22 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA06845 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:55:20 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA19190 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 08:55:01 GMT Message-ID: <3827E181.35129FC7@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:55:29 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks, for the info. I will copy the rum image file from my old copy to my new one. Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > In message <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake > writes > >One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over > >your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note > >of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. > > > > Personally, I'm a bit at odds with David's upgrade instructions (Yes, I > know - go wash my mouth out with soap :) > > Anyway, it probably doesn't help you much right now, but for others who > have not yet upgraded, and maybe for David instructions in the future, > here's how to avoid that hassle: > > 1) Make a copy of your current OPro application directory (this allows > you to back-track in an emergency) > > 2) Make sure you have "force" selected but not "newer" in your copy > options. > > 3) copy the !RunImage file from 2.52 into what *was* your current OPro > application directory (the one you just copied) > > 4. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 > application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. > > 5. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded > into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. > > 6. Run the new application to ensure it works. > > Now, you will note that you actually *only* need to keep the 2.52 > !Runimage for upgrading - not the whole application. If you're short on > disc space, this may be a life-saver. > -- > Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk > | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org > Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =07626-235878, Work =01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109347 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942141507:10:28472:18; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:58:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027991; 9 Nov 99 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA07071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:41:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07066 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:41:43 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.117) [62.188.136.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11l7mD-0000vC-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:41:22 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 06:55:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: New Upgrade Message-ID: <495e2289b7jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Nov, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over > your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note > of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. Look in your old AutoRun directory and trnsfer the !Macros file into your new version of OvPro. I presume that transfering the whole of the AutoRun directory should give you back all that you had in the old version, Cheers - -- Graham ZFC S+ jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109353 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942097382:20:12309:24; Mon, 08 Nov 99 21:43:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122366; 8 Nov 99 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04413 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:26:19 GMT Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04408 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:26:18 GMT Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s28-188-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.188]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:07:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495D620360%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 07 Nov, Norman Thomas wrote: > In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol > wrote: > > > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > > transactions have been holding back the market here ... > > He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. > I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system > would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of > RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our > 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping > facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... > So what is the problem? UK Fresco customers can get the SSL module just by emailing Paul Vigay. paul.support@argonet.co.uk There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109358 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942100230:20:19253:28; Mon, 08 Nov 99 22:30:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019125; 8 Nov 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04643 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:03:36 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04638 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:03:35 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kwsj-000F2M-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:03:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 18:22:49 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: New Upgrade References: <495db22030rayd@argonet.co.uk> <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <3826FC6F.13FFB9F1@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake writes >One thing missing from the upgrade read me file. How to copy over >your old button bar & default doc settings. I know I made a note >of how to do this several upgrades ago. But I cannot find it. > Personally, I'm a bit at odds with David's upgrade instructions (Yes, I know - go wash my mouth out with soap :) Anyway, it probably doesn't help you much right now, but for others who have not yet upgraded, and maybe for David instructions in the future, here's how to avoid that hassle: 1) Make a copy of your current OPro application directory (this allows you to back-track in an emergency) 2) Make sure you have "force" selected but not "newer" in your copy options. 3) copy the !RunImage file from 2.52 into what *was* your current OPro application directory (the one you just copied) 4. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. 5. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. 6. Run the new application to ensure it works. Now, you will note that you actually *only* need to keep the 2.52 !Runimage for upgrading - not the whole application. If you're short on disc space, this may be a life-saver. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109359 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942150053:10:08413:20; Tue, 09 Nov 99 12:20:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008352; 9 Nov 99 12:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07684 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:02:16 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07679 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:02:11 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p81-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.213]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id BAA01586 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:01:39 +1300 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 01:01:00 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <19991108152926.H6262@lanark.spa.umn.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB07684 On Tue 09 Nov, Graham Allan wrote: > > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. >=20 > Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very > useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! >=20 > Graham Still as the Module is no longer exclusively in the UK, and therefore the "Export from UK" restriction would not apply, I am sure anyone making it known that they require it would find it available somewhere.. ;-) =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109365 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942154693:10:04058:27; Tue, 09 Nov 99 13:38:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105987; 9 Nov 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA08032 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:18:35 GMT Received: from rhymer174.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (rhymer144.cogsci.ed.ac.uk [129.215.144.8]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08027 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:18:28 GMT Received: from babel.psy.ed.ac.uk (babel.psy.ed.ac.uk [129.215.50.68]) by rhymer174.cogsci.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19994 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:18:09 GMT Received: from martinc by babel.psy.ed.ac.uk with local (RemoteNB 1.03) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; 09 Nov 1999 13:18:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:18:11 +0000 From: Martin Corley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: University of Edinburgh User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (RemoteNB/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.71) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Oliver wrote: > On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > > > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had > > had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. > > I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented > loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. Something like a > teacher explaining to a student how he'd given him a low mark: > > "If where you had had 'had' had had 'had, had'; had had 'had, had' where > you had had 'had', then you'd have earned full marks." "John, where Bill had had 'had had', had had 'had'. 'Had had' had had the teacher's approval." (sorry, couldn't resist any longer). -- Martin Corley ---- Department of Psychology Martin.Corley@ed.ac.uk University of Edinburgh ---- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:08:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109366 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942104619:20:09361:18; Mon, 08 Nov 99 23:43:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125412; 8 Nov 99 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04950 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:21:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04945 for ; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:21:02 GMT Received: from (194.69.109.227) [194.69.109.227] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ky5e-0001pD-00; Mon, 8 Nov 1999 23:20:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: OvationPro Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 23:42:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? Message-ID: <495df55742davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Broster wrote: > !Expand seems to work perfectly here with 2.55 (ROS 4.02) but I do have a > similar problem with the !NewFrames applet. > Regards > David What error are you getting with !NewFrame? David Breakwell Author of NewFrame, IdxPro and Labeller -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109372 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942107083:20:05642:20; Tue, 09 Nov 99 00:24:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128203; 9 Nov 99 0:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05180 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:07:32 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05175 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:07:30 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kyoS-0006iM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:07:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:38:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Red underlines for mis-spelt words; a bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 07 Nov, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I hadn't seen anyone else mention this, but it seems to persist with me. > When you have the red underlines, and also hyphenation, enabled, and if > a word is hyphenated, and if the fragment on the second line isn't a > recognised word, it gets a red underline. Not a serious bug, but a bit > annoying. Is this known, or can it be something I am doing wrong? Well might as well throw in this one too as we're talking about it. COuld the spell checking using red underline not take place until after a space or punctuation mark rather than as you type. It's annoying having the red line follow you as you type. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109375 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942109182:20:26387:19; Tue, 09 Nov 99 00:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026361; 9 Nov 99 0:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05283 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:29:53 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05278 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:29:51 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.1] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11kz9a-00019S-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:28:55 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:09:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 00:08:41 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19991108152926.H6262@lanark.spa.umn.edu> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Graham Allan wrote: > On Mon, Nov 08, 1999 at 09:07:27PM +0000, Steve Ellacott wrote: > > On Sun 07 Nov, Norman Thomas wrote: > > > In commenting on payment for OPro upgrades by credit card, David Graddol > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > One thing has just struck me, though. I mainly use the pc for > > > > online transactions. I tend to phone through orders for Risc Os > > > > products. Perhaps the limitations of Risc Os browsers for secure > > > > transactions have been holding back the market here ... > > > > > > He raises the point that has been worrying me in this connection and others. > > > I would prefer to be able to pay over the net by credit card, but the system > > > would have to be secure. I believe that it is essential for the future of > > > RISCOS that we have the full secure system(s) available, both for our > > > 'internal' marketing and so that we may engage fully in the banking/shopping > > > facilties available elsewhere. If only I were capable ... > > > > So what is the problem? UK Fresco customers can get the SSL module just by > > emailing Paul Vigay. > > > > paul.support@argonet.co.uk > > > > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. > > Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very > useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! > I'm afraid RiscOs broswers have some way to go before I will feel comfortable using them for e-commerce. Besides the SSL (which I now have and it kinda works), many ecommerce sites use javascript. That means having browser which is both robustly javascript enabled and has SSL. I haven't managed that yet ... it's simpler to fire up the PC laptop and do it that way. But then I rather despair of the whole Internet provision for RiscOS. It really is very hard work and always seems so many steps behind the rest of the world. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109376 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942164072:10:22688:47; Tue, 09 Nov 99 16:14:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112812; 9 Nov 99 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08532 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:39:08 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08527 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:39:07 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lDLl-0008gc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:38:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:44:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: "INTERNET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk" In-Reply-To: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Nobilangelo wrote: > There is a very simple way of securing plastic payments, which applies > particularly to Risc OS users (because no Wintel nasty can read anything > from it). I have used it for years. > > Put your card details on a small sprite (using Paint), and for good measure > squash it, then archive/uuencode the file and send it as an attachment, > with a reference in the email to `payment details attached' (the reference > is non-specific in case some sniffer is looking for a ccard-specific > phrase). > > The chances that a Wintel sniffer could figure out all that must be > astronomically against. I have done similar with a draw file, but then I've happily sent my number whizzing over the net to the states, unsecure, and so far nee problems. Perhaps I'm pushing my luck. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109379 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942111253:20:15182:21; Tue, 09 Nov 99 01:34:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015061; 9 Nov 99 1:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA05436 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA05431 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:24 GMT Received: from davbros.demon.co.uk ([158.152.143.174]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11kzbs-000Pz9-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:58:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 00:55:38 +0000 (GMT) From: David Broster Subject: Re: Applet !Expand incompatible with OvationPro 2.55? To: OvationPro In-Reply-To: <495df55742davidb@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Mr Breakwell wrote: > In article , > David Broster wrote: > > > !Expand seems to work perfectly here with 2.55 (ROS 4.02) but I do have a > > similar problem with the !NewFrames applet. > > > Regards > > > David > > What error are you getting with !NewFrame? > > David Breakwell > Author of NewFrame, IdxPro and Labeller I don't believe this! After upgrading to 2.55, everytime I tried to run !OvnPro it fell over with a Type 5 error - until I removed !NewFrames from the applets directory. I've just replaced it to check before replying to you, and, yes, everything ran OK. Given that someone else had a problem with !Expand, does anyone know of other situations where applets have to be removed and reinstalled after an upgrade? -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:09:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109387 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:09:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942116418:20:25888:24; Tue, 09 Nov 99 03:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025725; 9 Nov 99 2:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA06161 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:42:45 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA06156 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:42:43 GMT Received: from foursqre.demon.co.uk ([158.152.120.130] helo=RiscPC01) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11l1Ep-00067q-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 02:42:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 01:53:31 +0000 From: Peter Bell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <9fde065e49.peter@RiscPC01.winnersh.foursqre.demon.co.uk> References: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> X-Organization: FourSquare Computing Limited User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (Newsbase/0.61b) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <199911081810_MC2-8C41-224A@compuserve.com> Nobilangelo wrote: > There is a very simple way of securing plastic payments, which applies > particularly to Risc OS users (because no Wintel nasty can read anything > from it). I have used it for years. > > Put your card details on a small sprite (using Paint), and for good measure > squash it, then archive/uuencode the file and send it as an attachment, > with a reference in the email to `payment details attached' (the reference > is non-specific in case some sniffer is looking for a ccard-specific > phrase). > > The chances that a Wintel sniffer could figure out all that must be > astronomically against. Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Once these compression methods are overcome you are left with a bitmap which can be fairly easily recognised, sometimes even with a text editor. I would feel safer with text in a draw file, converted to paths, then compressed. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 989 0929 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109391 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942140068:20:28218:17; Tue, 09 Nov 99 09:34:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117825; 9 Nov 99 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA06912 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:05:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06907 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:05:20 GMT Received: from (62.188.150.216) [62.188.150.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11l7Co-0000Ha-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 09:05:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:58:30 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: double double trouble Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 8 Nov 1999 (20:04:58 +0000), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Mon 8 Nov 1999 (10:14:50 +0000), david@english.co.uk wrote: > >(OK who's going to go for five ..) > Ok, what about the infamous Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. ColinC -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109398 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942147680:20:27675:21; Tue, 09 Nov 99 11:41:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027327; 9 Nov 99 11:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07549 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:10:10 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA07544 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:10:06 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1531.singnet.com.sg [165.21.52.161]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA30050 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:09:41 +0800 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:58:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: double double trouble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had had', 'had' > had had one more 'had' added. I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. Something like a teacher explaining to a student how he'd given him a low mark: "If where you had had 'had' had had 'had, had'; had had 'had, had' where you had had 'had', then you'd have earned full marks." Or something like that, anyway. Cheers, -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109399 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942151771:20:01215:19; Tue, 09 Nov 99 12:49:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000703; 9 Nov 99 12:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07752 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:17:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA07747 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:17:39 GMT Received: from revcol.demon.co.uk ([158.152.85.137]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lAD7-0009bI-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:17:17 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 12:16:30 +0000 (GMT) From: "Colin G.F. Brockie" Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA07748 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB07752 Status: R On Sun 07 Nov, David Love wrote: > Hi! >=20 > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPr= o > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. >=20 > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro ico= n > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > they appear as: >=20 > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Address=95} > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Postcode=95} >=20 > Click test and nothing happens. No name and address appears. the fild= s > obstinately stay as they were. I am relieved to know someone else has this problem I thought I was simpl= y missing something simple. Please will someone help. Colin. G.F. Brockie --=20 General remote signature - name, company name, address, WWW address? Work international number. Disclaimer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:10:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109407 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:10:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942162737:20:20366:59; Tue, 09 Nov 99 15:52:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020594; 9 Nov 99 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08379 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:23 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08374 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:04:21 GMT Received: from edencroft.demon.co.uk ([193.237.142.83]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lCoQ-0001lO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:03:58 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:51:05 +0000 (GMT) From: Jeremy Subject: Re: double double trouble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199911090905.JAA06921@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Jeremy Roberts X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Well, of course, it's true that *that* "that that" is OK, but > sometimes it's just a case repeated words. > > David > > (OK who's going to go for five ..) > - -- > The English Company (UK) Ltd > http://www.english.co.uk When David (The English Co.) says that 'that *that* "that that" is OK', he has neatly lined us up for the obvious 'fiver'... well, it *is* the conker season. Cheers, JR. -- Jeremy Roberts -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 17:11:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109410 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:11:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942165810:20:07604:41; Tue, 09 Nov 99 16:43:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007858; 9 Nov 99 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA08600 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:59:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08594 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:59:45 GMT Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lDg1-000Eoa-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:59:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 09:28:42 GMT From: John Pettigrew Message-ID: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Window backdrops X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile, which is different to the one I've got configured on the rest of my (RO4) system. This applies to most (if not all) of the dialogue boxes and others. Can I just use the Templates file from 2.54, which didn't have this 'feature'? The texture in question is a grey 'crumpled paper' type one, rather than the usual 'marble' type. Thanks, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:35:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109435 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942168141:10:08090:58; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:22:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118630; 9 Nov 99 17:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08872 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:03:54 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08867 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:03:47 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17585 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:03:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 09 Nov 1999 09:47:45 GMT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. >Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less >common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Once these >compression methods are overcome you are left with a bitmap which can >be fairly easily recognised, sometimes even with a text editor. > Squash used to be 12-bit LZW, fairly standard, the header is non-standard though. >I would feel safer with text in a draw file, converted to paths, then >compressed. > Why so much effort instead of using proper encryption (PGP) ? Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:35:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109436 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942170055:20:11763:40; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:54:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011867; 9 Nov 99 17:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08985 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:20:55 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08980 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:20:52 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18552 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:18:40 +0100 Message-Id: <199911091718.SAA18552@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 09 Nov 1999 17:16:04 GMT Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 942167055 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >On Tue 09 Nov, Graham Allan wrote: > >> > There is still a difficulty vis-a-vis overseas customers, I believe. >> >> Hmm, well I think this started by talking about credit cards being very >> useful for overseas customers; the very ones who can't get SSL! >> >> Graham > > Still as the Module is no longer exclusively in the UK, and therefore > the "Export from UK" restriction would not apply, I am sure anyone > making it known that they require it would find it available > somewhere.. ;-) > Hear, hear,Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 is that so, I would require it quite dearly... With kind regards -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 18:35:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109439 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:35:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942169791:10:25388:79; Tue, 09 Nov 99 17:49:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106966; 9 Nov 99 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09026 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:29:55 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09021 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:29:54 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-9-55.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.55]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0A7EF7B07F for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:29:27 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:24:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. Created a rectangular frame Selected Object...Shape. Selected Regular polygon 3 sides Triangle was inverted so Selected Regular polygon -3 sides Type=5 and quits The above is repeatable here. BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109474 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942173632:20:04628:17; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004310; 9 Nov 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09543 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:20 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09538 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:18 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG8T-000JsJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:36:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:00:56 GMT Message-Id: <109421@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Window backdrops X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in >OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile, which is >different to the one I've got configured on the rest of my (RO4) system. If you want to get rid of this, just delete the sprite 'tile_1' from !OvnPro.!OvnResDir. UK.Sprites22 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109475 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942173582:10:10890:77; Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:53:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011283; 9 Nov 99 18:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09564 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09559 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:26 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG8a-000JsJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:07:01 GMT Message-Id: <109425@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. >Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less >common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Squash uses the standard unix compressLZW scheme. Hopefully to conclude this discussion... strangely the bank I talked to would authorise me to take credit cards by email, phone, fax or letter. But went quite pale at the mention of web sites i.e. https, SSL etc. I had to promise to not do that. Yes a dealers discount is 25-30%, so I'd rather you bought direct. But they are there as an option if you have to pay by credit card. Debit cards come with credit card support, and they cost slightly less to process. However I guess credit cards are more important and the way the banks work debit cards are the optional extra. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109476 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942174348:20:13876:24; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:05:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113245; 9 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09499 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:58 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09493 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:56 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG6B-000Mh5-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:34:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:28:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: Re: Window backdrops To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Nov, John Pettigrew wrote: [snip] > I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in > OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile [snip] I didn't like it either. It's a large sprite. I found it, and renamed it. Nothing went wrong, so I deleted it. Still nothing went wrong. If you do this, you just get the previous texture. -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109478 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942174446:20:15123:21; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:07:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115496; 9 Nov 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09622 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:39:02 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09617 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:39:00 GMT Received: from talibard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.207.34]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lGA5-000Fgi-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:38:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:38:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael Talibard Subject: due reward for work on OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Some of us seem to think David should get money from us around now; he doesn't. What is to stop us just sending it? -- Michael Talibard -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 19:41:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109479 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:41:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942174342:10:20136:32; Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:05:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020244; 9 Nov 99 19:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA09554 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:25 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA09545 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:37:22 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lG8X-000JsJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:36:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 18:02:54 GMT Message-Id: <109423@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !OvationPro > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wrong. > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro icon > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > they appear as: > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} This is because the data exported fromm Impact (which is in the form of Impression DDF) is not being converted before being loaded into OPro. Instead it is being loaded raw. Instead of this situation you have to configure things so that all text files go via the !TransDDF loader. To do that a line must be present in the !TransDDF loader !Boot file i.e. Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir and the !TransDDF loader must be 'seen' or booted before OPro is run. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 20:46:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109495 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 20:46:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942180384:20:00120:30; Tue, 09 Nov 99 20:46:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103650; 9 Nov 99 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:47 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09971 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:44 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lHHW-0004cZ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:24:09 GMT Message-Id: <109470@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Selected Regular polygon -3 sides >Type=5 and quits Ooops, I'll fix that. >BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Enable grid, draw it by hand... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:47:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109526 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942182413:10:17980:62; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:20:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018232; 9 Nov 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10529 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:52 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10524 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:50 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lIAl-0008hl-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:47:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:44:35 GMT Message-Id: <109482@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: due reward for work on OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Some of us seem to think David should get money from us >around now; he doesn't. What is to stop us just sending it? Very good of you to offer, but that probably would make life more complex for me. Effectively I'd have to run an account for each user, so that come the real upgrade I'd know what you'd paid. Just wait, in due course the opportunity to buy an upgrade will arise. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:47:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109527 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:47:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942180699:20:03619:23; Tue, 09 Nov 99 20:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003290; 9 Nov 99 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10033 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:52:00 GMT Received: from mail22.svr.pol.co.uk (mail22.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.219]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10028 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:51:58 GMT Received: from modem-138.name59.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.189.138] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lHIh-0006QC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:51:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:47:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495e6933ccBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. > Created a rectangular frame > Selected Object...Shape. > Selected Regular polygon 3 sides > Triangle was inverted so > Selected Regular polygon -3 sides > Type=5 and quits > The above is repeatable here. And here > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Object>Modify>Angle=180 (Before or after creating the triangle) Now Picture>Modify Picture>Angle=180 (Assuming it's a picture frame) > Cheers, > Ray D -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:48:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109529 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:47:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942181336:20:11144:31; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:02:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120158; 9 Nov 99 21:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09981 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:46 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09968 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:42 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lHHU-0004cZ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:50:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 99 19:18:27 GMT Message-Id: <109468@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.55 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it now just a simple case of copying accross any applets that I used >as well as the !Prefs file. With applets it depends, some come with an installer program which installs script files in !OvnPro.Library if you are using those then you have to reinstall them, using the installer program. Other applets can be simply copied across. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 21:48:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109530 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:48:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942182336:20:23822:31; Tue, 09 Nov 99 21:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023496; 9 Nov 99 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10236 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:05:42 GMT Received: from mail19.svr.pol.co.uk (mail19.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10227 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:05:40 GMT Received: from modem-79.infed.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.73.207] helo=beeston12) by mail19.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lHVx-0005UZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 20:05:14 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:23:42 +0000 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Suddenly it doesn't ... Message-ID: <524675e49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA10230 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB10236 Dear colleagues, I suggest you contact EITHER CJE who are now looking af= ter support for Impact-3 OR John Skingley who still has some helpful fingers = in the pie, or visit the appropriate part of the OvationPro web-site. With best wishes, Robin. I will supply the e-mail addresses and URL for these if you lack them, In message "Colin G.F. Brockie" wrote: > On Sun 07 Nov, David Love wrote: > > Hi! > >=20 > > For some time now I have been using the !Impact database and !Ovation= Pro > > to send "mailouts" without any problems, but suddenly it all gone wro= ng. > >=20 > > What do I do? I open the database and then click on the OvationPro i= con > > and load the document. Drag each field in turn to the document where > > they appear as: > >=20 > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next name=95} > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Address=95} > > {merge =94:Impact.Customers Fetch next Postcode=95} > >=20 > > Click test and nothing happens. No name and address appears. the fi= lds > > obstinately stay as they were. >=20 > I am relieved to know someone else has this problem I thought I was sim= ply missing something simple. Please will someone help. >=20 > Colin. G.F. Brockie --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle=20 Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham,=20 NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Nov 9 22:52:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109558 for opro ; Tue, 09 Nov 99 22:52:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942186861:10:03325:22; Tue, 09 Nov 99 22:34:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112597; 9 Nov 99 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10873 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:46 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10868 for ; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:45 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.107) [193.149.72.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lJN8-0000YI-00; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:04:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:47:20 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Window backdrops Message-ID: <495E692E5E%mik@xemik.com> References: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <0f8b305e49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> John Pettigrew wrote: > I've just upgraded to 2.55 and found an irritating change. The windows in > OvPro's Templates file seem to have acquired their own texture tile, which > is different to the one I've got configured on the rest of my (RO4) system. > This applies to most (if not all) of the dialogue boxes and others. Can I > just use the Templates file from 2.54, which didn't have this 'feature'? Assuming David doesn't mind you messing with his sprite files ;-) look inside !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK and delete 'tile_1' from Sprites22. This should revert to normal backgrounds next time you run OPro. -- Anagram 23 : Encryption = Try PIN once __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:48 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.219] (helo=mail22.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lJhZ-0005fa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:21 +0000 Received: from [195.92.197.25] (helo=mail17.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lJhV-0001CL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:25:17 +0000 Received: from modem-63.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.109.191] helo=wallace) by mail17.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lJfN-0006da-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:23:06 +0000 Message-ID: <004b01bf2b01$00ef2ee0$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: StylePal applet Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 22:23:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi folks, I've just updated the StylePal applet to (a) show when a style has 'line' scope and (b) bring back ticks for RISC OS 4 users (instead of euros or, worse still, blanks in pre RO4 desktop fonts! It should work correctly on all versions of OPro and on both RISC OS 3 and 4, but if something breaks, you can always get the original version from DP's website ;-) Oh yes, DP and/or Chris J are welcome to put it on their resourceful websites. It's at http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/stylepal.zip Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 01:50:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109588 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 01:50:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942195995:20:22791:20; Wed, 10 Nov 99 01:06:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022759; 10 Nov 99 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11642 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:34 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11637 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:33 GMT Received: from 10004784 (man-a098.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.98]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA01145 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 00:44:04 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 19:42:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ian Oliver wrote: > On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had > > had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. > I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented > loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. Fourteen Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:56:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109613 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:56:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942213798:10:27859:18; Wed, 10 Nov 99 06:03:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027678; 10 Nov 99 6:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12237 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:44 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12232 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:43 GMT Received: (qmail 15856 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1999 05:47:11 -0000 Received: from userk647.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1999 05:47:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:27:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495e61df00dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. > Created a rectangular frame > Selected Object...Shape. > Selected Regular polygon 3 sides > Triangle was inverted so > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > Cheers, > Ray D Hi Ray, Go to the Modify frame dialogue and put 180 in the Angle box. Hey presto. BTW I mean the Angle dialogue, not the Ford Anglia of yesteryear. :-) Cheers Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:56:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109614 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:56:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942214677:10:04025:19; Wed, 10 Nov 99 06:17:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003876; 10 Nov 99 6:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12230 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:42 GMT Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12225 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 05:47:39 GMT Received: (qmail 15851 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1999 05:47:08 -0000 Received: from userk647.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.70.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 1999 05:47:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Symes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 18:19:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495e611da4dfs@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net> References: <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <199911091703.SAA17585@widukind.bi.teuto.net>, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > [snip] > >Possibly not quite as secure as you might like to think. > >Archive/uuencode algorithms are fairly standard, Squash might be less > >common - I'm not quite sure what method it uses. Once these > >compression methods are overcome you are left with a bitmap which can > >be fairly easily recognised, sometimes even with a text editor. > > > Squash used to be 12-bit LZW, fairly standard, the header is > non-standard though. > >I would feel safer with text in a draw file, converted to paths, then > >compressed. > > > Why so much effort instead of using proper encryption (PGP) ? > Kind regards PGP means rude words like pain in the arse. Dave S -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:56:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109619 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:56:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942219457:10:07538:23; Wed, 10 Nov 99 07:37:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007475; 10 Nov 99 7:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA12533 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:08:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12528 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:08:34 GMT Received: from (62.188.143.47) [62.188.143.47] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lRrL-0007S6-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 07:08:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 10:51:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro What are the flaws in the following ideas, which are based on discussions I had with my bank manager last year when I was executor of a will, about the cheapest way of transferring money to one of the recipients who was moving around in various countries. 1) David opens 2 linked accounts at an international bank like HSBC (former Midland Bank in the UK) with branches throughout the world. 2) David makes known to purchasers of OvPro details of the name, sort code and number of account_1 so that wherever they are in the world they can pay in money to that account. 3) To avoid fraud, account_1 can be paid into by anyone but money cannot be withdrawn from it but only transferred into linked account_2 of which only David holds the details. 4) Customers in the UK pay at their local bank the cost of the upgrade into account_1 and then inform David by post or email. Overseas customers will need to do a little more to ensure that David receives the total amount in UKpounds ie they will need to bear the cost of the exchange rate and any bank charges (although if they pay into a branch of the same international bank that David's account is with, these should be minimal). This will make a little more work for the customer but would ensure that David got all the money and save him the time needed for paying in cheques etc. It would also stop the possibility of cheques to David being diverted in the post. According to the latest edition of Which, the interception by thieves of cheques sent by post (particularly where the reipient address regularly receives them) and then opening bogus accounts to pay them into is on the increase. The reccommendation is now to write the number of the recipients account next to their name on the cheque to increase the likelyhood of bank staff noticing hat fraud is being attempted. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:57:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109637 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:57:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942226319:10:21250:30; Wed, 10 Nov 99 09:31:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021271; 10 Nov 99 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12874 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:14:08 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12868 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:14:03 GMT Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lTok-000BMe-0K; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 09:13:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: david@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 08:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <495eb19d2ajohn@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> References: <495e68b88ddave@tfa User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com>, Dave wrote: > In article , > Ian Oliver wrote: > > On Mon 08 Nov, Colin Carnegie wrote: > > > Where John had had 'had', Bill had had 'had had'; had John had 'had > > > had', 'had' had had one more 'had' added. > > I seem to have a vague memory of one Clive Doig (a lovely and talented > > loonie) telling me you could have eleven of the jobbies. > Fourteen > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. > Dave > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message Recalling this thread to something approaching sanity, I wrote in the original request for a repeated word trap because accidentally repeating words and being totally totally blind to them on proof reading is my special un-skill. And David Pilling has responded with amazing speed and implemented precisely what I was looking for. ***///Thanks, David///*** I doubt whether even a broken up M$ could return such a service. Viva RiscOS and cottage industry programming. -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:57:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109643 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:57:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942233848:10:13314:106; Wed, 10 Nov 99 11:37:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013890; 10 Nov 99 11:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13188 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:11:32 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13183 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:11:27 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p41-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.169]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA03514 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:10:48 +1300 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:08:43 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB13188 The biggest flaw for me is that it is complicated, and I would have to travel about 100 miles to get to a branch of the bank...... Nah... for me Credit card is much easier, even with a surcharge..... =20 On Tue 09 Nov, Alan P Dawes wrote: > What are the flaws in the following ideas, which are based on discussio= ns > I had with my bank manager last year when I was executor of a will, abo= ut > the cheapest way of transferring money to one of the recipients who was > moving around in various countries. >=20 > 1) David opens 2 linked accounts at an international bank like HSBC > (former Midland Bank in the UK) with branches throughout the world. > 2) David makes known to purchasers of OvPro details of the name, sort c= ode > and number of account_1 so that wherever they are in the world they can > pay in money to that account. > 3) To avoid fraud, account_1 can be paid into by anyone but money canno= t > be withdrawn from it but only transferred into linked account_2 of whic= h > only David holds the details. > 4) Customers in the UK pay at their local bank the cost of the upgrade > into account_1 and then inform David by post or email. Overseas custome= rs > will need to do a little more to ensure that David receives the total > amount in UKpounds ie they will need to bear the cost of the exchange r= ate > and any bank charges (although if they pay into a branch of the same > international bank that David's account is with, these should be minima= l).=20 >=20 > This will make a little more work for the customer but would ensure tha= t > David got all the money and save him the time needed for paying in cheq= ues > etc. >=20 > It would also stop the possibility of cheques to David being diverted i= n > the post. According to the latest edition of Which, the interception by > thieves of cheques sent by post (particularly where the reipient addres= s > regularly receives them) and then opening bogus accounts to pay them in= to > is on the increase. The reccommendation is now to write the number of t= he > recipients account next to their name on the cheque to increase the > likelyhood of bank staff noticing hat fraud is being attempted. >=20 > Alan >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- > |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk > | | |\ | | | | |\| | | =20 > | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:58:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109646 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:58:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942236148:20:14636:19; Wed, 10 Nov 99 12:15:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105438; 10 Nov 99 12:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13363 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:45:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13357 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:45:33 GMT Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lWBO-000FgN-0C for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:44:58 +0000 Message-ID: <6HA3ZJAoqVK4Ewfm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:44:40 +0000 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Style Palette MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 U Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thank you, Nick for releasing the update to the Style Palette. Nice to have the tick back. Co-incidentally, I have just stumbled over a problem with this applet (for which I originally blamed David, but, on reflection, that was probably unfair :). When two views are open on a document, the style palette appears to be always associated with the second view, rather than the one containing the caret. This evidences itself by trying to change a style's tabs from a right-click on the style palette. The ruler is shown on the last opened view, and this view is scrolled to the caret position in the original view. Can you fix that, Nick? Also, Nick, have you had any feedback from ROSL regarding fixing the Postscript diver bug where bitmaps were wrongly encoded? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:58:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109648 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:58:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942238748:20:23349:43; Wed, 10 Nov 99 12:59:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023498; 10 Nov 99 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA13482 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:19:41 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13477 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:19:39 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25043 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:19:00 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15046 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:18:59 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: double double trouble Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:18:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000101bf2b75$bacd7be0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > On Tue 09 Nov, Dave wrote: > > > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. > > Totally brilliant. Any advance on that? Impressive indeed. By extension, one could write Bill, as John had had "had had had", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, both would have passed. or assuming that John isn't very good at English: Bill, whereas John had had "had [repeat ad infinitum]", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. However, it's not much to do with Ovation Pro any more, so perhaps we should let this thread quietly die away, or take it to sci.math.recursion instead... TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:58:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109649 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942235277:10:00505:66; Wed, 10 Nov 99 12:01:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114834; 10 Nov 99 12:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13252 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:23:38 GMT Received: from capricorn.singnet.com.sg (capricorn.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.218]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13247 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 11:23:34 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas2344.singnet.com.sg [165.21.54.174]) by capricorn.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16282 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:22:53 +0800 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: double double trouble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495e68b88ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Nov, Dave wrote: > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. Totally brilliant. Any advance on that? -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:59:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109673 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:59:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942244241:10:15664:17; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:30:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125955; 10 Nov 99 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA13877 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:39:29 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13871 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:39:27 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28926 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:47 GMT Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA24842 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:46 GMT From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Style Palette Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:38:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000301bf2b80$df8496c0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: <6HA3ZJAoqVK4Ewfm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony wrote: >Co-incidentally, I have just stumbled over a problem with this applet >(for which I originally blamed David, but, on reflection, that was >probably unfair :). Dunno - may be fair - depends on whether he wrote it originally... > When two views are open on a document, the style palette appears to be > always associated with the second view, rather than the one containing > the caret. This evidences itself by trying to change a style's tabs from > a right-click on the style palette. The ruler is shown on the last > opened view, and this view is scrolled to the caret position in the > original view. > > Can you fix that, Nick? Err, I can certainly have a look when I get back home tonight. If anyone else can spot an instant fix in the interim and post it to the list though, I shan't complain. > Also, Nick, have you had any feedback from ROSL regarding fixing the > Postscript diver bug where bitmaps were wrongly encoded? Yes and no. It appears that the driver outputs PS which is correct as far as the Red Book (the PS bible) is concerned. However, some PS interpreters and RIPs don't always like it. Investigations continue, and I'll post any further news as it happens. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 14:59:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109674 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942245609:10:29971:52; Wed, 10 Nov 99 14:53:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029769; 10 Nov 99 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14072 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:17:32 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14067 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:17:29 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id PAA00400 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:16:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11lZYO-000JKkC; Wed, 10 Nov 99 16:20 MET Message-ID: <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:18:11 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ctrl-V produces error message References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have recently had a good long look at the applets for Ovation and have since dragged about 25 of them into the Applets directory. In the last few days I have noticed a rather strange effect which may have something to do with one of those applets - has anyone encountered this and found a solution? -Ctrl-X worked only on frames, no longer on selected text; the corresponding menu entry didn't work either; a small key macro fixed that - well, cured the syptom, I should say. -Re-inserting text with Ctrl-V works ok, but is followed immediately by an error message which reads "Document cannot be saved while master page window is open". Help, please? Cheers, Jochen K. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 18:02:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109695 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:02:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942250611:10:23686:52; Wed, 10 Nov 99 16:16:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023451; 10 Nov 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14410 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14405 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:30 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11la6B-000CMX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:11:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > I tried to produce a triangular frame with the point at the top. > > Created a rectangular frame > > Selected Object...Shape. > > Selected Regular polygon 3 sides > > Triangle was inverted so > > Selected Regular polygon -3 sides > > Type=5 and quits > > The above is repeatable here. > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? Good point, Ray, one which I meant to raise. Sure you can rotate the frame, but then any text in it or subsequently written in is also rotated, so that it is not possible to get text in a triangle where the point is at the top and the text is not rotated. I think there might be an issue here for some other shapes too. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 18:02:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109697 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:02:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942251496:10:02943:37; Wed, 10 Nov 99 16:31:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109121; 10 Nov 99 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14415 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA14403 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:56:25 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11la61-000CMX-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:55:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 13:17:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109470@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 09 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >Selected Regular polygon -3 sides > >Type=5 and quits > > Ooops, I'll fix that. > > >BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > > Enable grid, draw it by hand... > Not having to draw shapes by hand was one of the nice things about OPro, and if I recall correctly, something absent form QuarkXpress. But yes this solution works for what I wanted to do with the text. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:01:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109731 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:00:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942259670:20:06099:29; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110009; 10 Nov 99 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14895 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:08:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14890 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:08:43 GMT Received: from (62.188.136.214) [62.188.136.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lcA3-0003Ds-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:08:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:50:22 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 9 Nov 1999 (17:24:47 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > I can't reproduce your type5 Ray; (method snipped). But for the triangle, how about: Make a normal frame. Make it into a regular polygon: Object->Shape->Regular polygon sides 4 Edit this frame to have three sides (point on top) using the usual edit tool; drag in the two top points and then delete the remaining very short top path. Using the grid, check that the triangle is symmetrical. Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ Botanising in Greece? 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Marengo Publications -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:01:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109733 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:01:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942259884:20:08880:17; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:51:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008718; 10 Nov 99 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15076 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA15071 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:40 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.99) [193.149.78.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lcaD-0003sd-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:20:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Ctrl-V produces error message Message-ID: <495ee51963davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38297EA3.4046@hman User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>, J. Konietzko wrote: > I have recently had a good long look at the applets for Ovation and have > since dragged about 25 of them into the Applets directory. > In the last few days I have noticed a rather strange effect which may > have something to do with one of those applets - has anyone encountered > this and found a solution? > -Ctrl-X worked only on frames, no longer on selected text; the > corresponding menu entry didn't work either; a small key macro fixed > that - well, cured the syptom, I should say. > -Re-inserting text with Ctrl-V works ok, but is followed immediately by > an error message which reads "Document cannot be saved while master page > window is open". > Help, please? > Cheers, > Jochen K. > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message A combination of IdxPro and !!!!!bm seems to disable Ctrl-X (I never did trace that bug...) David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:01:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109734 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:01:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942260019:20:10104:68; Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:53:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116782; 10 Nov 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14973 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:34 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14968 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:25:32 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lcQO-0004Qm-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:24:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:42:21 GMT From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ctrl-V produces error message Message-ID: References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38297EA3.4046@hman In-Reply-To: <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08beta2 (MsgServe/1.08beta3) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <38297EA3.4046@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> "J. Konietzko" wrote: > I have recently had a good long look at the applets for Ovation and > have since dragged about 25 of them into the Applets directory. In > the last few days I have noticed a rather strange effect which may > have something to do with one of those applets - has anyone > encountered this and found a solution? >-Ctrl-X worked only on frames, no longer on selected text; the >corresponding menu entry didn't work either; a small key macro fixed >that - well, cured the syptom, I should say. Ctrl-x worked for both frames and selected text. >-Re-inserting text with Ctrl-V works ok, but is followed immediately >by an error message which reads "Document cannot be saved while >master page window is open". Help, please? Ctrl-v worked without the error message. I've got 45 applets (not all loaded at once!) but can't replicate the problem with any of them. OP 2.55, RiscOS 3.5 -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:19:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109740 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:19:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942260886:20:22494:22; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:08:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104180; 10 Nov 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15098 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:35 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15093 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:36:34 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lcb2-000Lzd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:35:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 99 18:06:39 GMT Message-Id: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not having to draw shapes by hand was one of the nice things >about OPro, and if I recall correctly, something absent >form QuarkXpress. But yes this solution works for what >I wanted to do with the text. So do you have any ideas for fixing it? I suppose offer 'point up/point down' as an option. Or the path editor could let you rotate selected points. Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on offer? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 19:19:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109743 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:19:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942260971:10:18497:53; Wed, 10 Nov 99 19:09:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018528; 10 Nov 99 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15215 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:54:13 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15209 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:54:11 GMT Received: from modem-81.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.43.209] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lcs5-0002dx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:53:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01bf2bac$e2698a40$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Style Palette Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:53:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony wrote: >Thank you, Nick for releasing the update to the Style Palette. Nice to >have the tick back. > >Co-incidentally, I have just stumbled over a problem with this applet [snip] >Can you fix that, Nick? 'T'is done. StylePal v1.04 is now available for download from http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/ Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 21:46:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109765 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 21:45:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942267300:20:15996:18; Wed, 10 Nov 99 20:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015682; 10 Nov 99 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15671 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:58:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA15666 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:58:52 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.120) [62.188.133.120] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ldsi-0005uW-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:58:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:24:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: due reward for work on OP Message-ID: <495eda67bealan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Nov, Michael Talibard wrote: > Some of us seem to think David should get money from us > around now; he doesn't. What is to stop us just sending it? > -- > Michael Talibard Agreed. But send it as a Christmas present with a card because he is such a good bloke NOT with any mention of OvPro or the work he has done on upgrades etc, otherwise the tax man will take his cut. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 23:13:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109802 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 23:13:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942274002:20:19181:18; Wed, 10 Nov 99 22:46:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019127; 10 Nov 99 22:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16131 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:31:07 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16126 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:31:05 GMT Received: from (62.188.1.44) [62.188.1.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lgFz-0001BJ-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:30:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:27:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #280 Message-ID: <495efba31bcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199911101112.LAA13197@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199911101112.LAA13197@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 10 Nov, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Nah... for me Credit card is much easier, even with a surcharge..... > I am afraid so, since installing my machine I have taken half my income by CCards. It is the way things are going - how many of you pay for petrol by cheque ? I also agree that David deserves to be paid for the work he does, I also know how he feels - we all in the end must respect his wishes. OvnPro is quick, easy and very useable, what we need is an Ovnpro to Quark conversion (sorry David). Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Nov 10 23:13:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109801 for opro ; Wed, 10 Nov 99 23:13:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942274301:10:06270:31; Wed, 10 Nov 99 22:51:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109398; 10 Nov 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16188 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16183 for ; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:49 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.117) [194.69.99.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lgJZ-0001OM-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:08 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:56:49 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495EEDE29D%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Muscat wrote: > On Tue 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > [...] Sure you can rotate the frame, but then any text in it or > subsequently written in is also rotated, so that it is not possible to get > text in a triangle where the point is at the top and the text is not > rotated. I think there might be an issue here for some other shapes too. There is a way round this, but it's messy. You can rotate the text back, but you will have to spell words backwards & alignment is reversed. -- Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:42 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.117) [194.69.99.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lgJU-0001OM-00; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:34:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 19:52:59 +0000 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <495EED8892%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian Oliver wrote: > On Tue 09 Nov, Dave wrote: > > Bill, whereas John had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had > > had had" had the teacher's approval, Bill would have passed. > Totally brilliant. Any advance on that? Personally, I had had enough several posts ago. ;-) -- I'd love to, but I'm trying to cut down. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:15:31 GMT Received: from modem-26.levothyroxine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.76.26] helo=orchard-way) by mail22.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11lgVx-00026K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Nov 1999 22:46:54 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:14:16 GMT From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <3bf6ff5e49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > It would also stop the possibility of cheques to David being diverted in > the post. According to the latest edition of Which, the interception by > thieves of cheques sent by post (particularly where the reipient address > regularly receives them) and then opening bogus accounts to pay them into > is on the increase. The reccommendation is now to write the number of the > recipients account next to their name on the cheque to increase the > likelyhood of bank staff noticing hat fraud is being attempted. > > Alan > Judging by the fraud attempted against a friend of mine, nothing written on the cheque would be a protection. The cheque was stolen, the ink bleached out for the payee and part of the amount, 2000 added to the amount, and the cheque paid in to a London building society to open a new account. It was only detected when the fraudster attempted to withdraw the whole amount at once. Once the cheque was examined, the fraud was obvious, but it was accepted by the building society. Once it was pointed out to the originating bank it was sorted out, being so obvious. I suppose writing cheques in felt marker might work, ensuring the ink soaked right through the paper... -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 01:27:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109830 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:27:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942283519:10:10546:32; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:25:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116050; 11 Nov 99 1:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16800 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:30 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16795 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:28 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11liRk-0009me-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:50:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:50:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495EEDE29D%mik@xemik.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 10 Nov, Mik Towse wrote: > In message > Alan Muscat wrote: > > On Tue 09 Nov, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > > [...] Sure you can rotate the frame, but then any text in it or > > subsequently written in is also rotated, so that it is not possible to get > > text in a triangle where the point is at the top and the text is not > > rotated. I think there might be an issue here for some other shapes too. > There is a way round this, but it's messy. You can rotate the text back, but > you will have to spell words backwards & alignment is reversed. Not ideal! :) -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 01:28:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109833 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:28:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942282686:20:20058:28; Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:11:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128722; 11 Nov 99 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA16808 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:48 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16803 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:46 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11liS7-0009me-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:51:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 23:46:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 10 Nov, David Pilling wrote: > > >Not having to draw shapes by hand was one of the nice things > >about OPro, and if I recall correctly, something absent > >form QuarkXpress. But yes this solution works for what > >I wanted to do with the text. > > So do you have any ideas for fixing it? > > I suppose offer 'point up/point down' as an option. > > Or the path editor could let you rotate selected points. > > Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on offer? There's no stopping this man! Well I don't want to make out that it is terribly important. I can hardly claim to be using triangles with text a great deal, but if adding the change was not a lot of work then perhaps as you suggest or maybe a place to specify an angle. You asked for other suggestions. Well I feel more needs to be done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. I don't know if others have used this feature often, but it is in fashion and I have used it a lot and find it is easy to actually lose text (especially if rotating the frame). The other real disappointment with frames with rounded corners is the fact that you can no longer vertically align the text within the frame. So for example let's say I want to have a title in a narrow rectangle with rounded corners, the most common state of affairs would be to vertically centre the title in the frame, but curently this can only be achieved by setting a space above which is also affected by the corners and if you rotate the frame you will probably see the text disappear and have trouble getting it back. I have had to resort to creating these shapes in a drawing program, importing and grouping with the text just so that I could rotate them without losing the text. This is a shame when it's something OPro is meant to be able to do. I wonder if this shape could be achieved using the alter shape dialogue, perhaps produce a perfect lozenger shape for example into which text could be typed, vertically aligned, and not lost when rotated. Now that's what you get for asking! ;) Alan -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:36:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109856 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:36:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942288758:20:28830:69; Thu, 11 Nov 99 02:52:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125707; 11 Nov 99 2:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17343 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:38:05 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17338 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:38:04 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lk4l-000ItY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:35:04 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 02:26:30 GMT Message-Id: <109850@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: 3 quarks for muster woolf X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >OvnPro is quick, easy and very useable, what we need is an Ovnpro >to Quark conversion (sorry David). Anyone heard about a new Quark project - Troika? Where I read it, this collection of three new programs was simply presented as allowing quark to load PDF files (really all PDF?) and allowing quark documents to be saved as XML (really with no compromises?). Anyway if it did load PDF you would be able to export from RISC OS to it in that format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:36:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109858 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942289087:20:02890:109; Thu, 11 Nov 99 02:58:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002832; 11 Nov 99 2:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA17218 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:10:10 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA17213 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:10:09 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ljfy-0000uO-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 02:09:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 01:56:22 GMT Message-Id: <109842@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >as you suggest or maybe a place to specify an angle. Yes an angle would be the solution. >done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method >for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. Basically this is the fragility of the code for flowing around irregular shapes yet again. Round cornered frames throwing up some odd cases. Put it this way I couldn't work on the code and just fix round cornered frames. I could work on the code and fix everything including round corners. >other real disappointment with frames with rounded corners >is the fact that you can no longer vertically align the text >within the frame. The problem is that although it looks 'obvious' and you could do it by eye, in reality these things present problems, you can't calculate the text flow, it has to be calculated tried and then recalculated (possibly many times) - because the line width will depend on the position of the line, and the position is going to vary with the vertical justification. I suspect what might do, is a rectangular text enclosing inset curve, inside a round cornered frame. Do you actually want or expect to see the round corners shape the text? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:37:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109876 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:36:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942314406:10:06009:19; Thu, 11 Nov 99 10:00:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005973; 11 Nov 99 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18223 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:06 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18218 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:34:04 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust81.tnt7.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.247.81] with SMTP for id KAA26716 (8.8.8/1.19); Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:33:12 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003801bf2c28$0822de00$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 10:34:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro November 10, 1999 8:58 AM, Alan P Dawes wrote: >4) Customers in the UK pay at their local bank the cost of the upgrade >into account_1 and then inform David by post or email. Overseas customers >will need to do a little more to ensure that David receives the total >amount in UKpounds ie they will need to bear the cost of the exchange rate >and any bank charges (although if they pay into a branch of the same >international bank that David's account is with, these should be minimal). Bank charges in the Netherlands to a not Euro-country are minimal NLG 15 for each bank involved plus the cost of the exchange rate. Average the costs will be about 10 UKP and higher. I don't expect to buy a lot stuff more expensive than 200 UKP. Credit card facility plus 5 percent would be a blessing, at least for me. Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 13:37:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109888 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 13:37:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942319471:20:04294:34; Thu, 11 Nov 99 11:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128400; 11 Nov 99 11:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18456 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:05:55 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18451 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:05:53 GMT Received: from rayd (tnt-5-235.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.235]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 82A327B1E0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 11:05:05 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 09:44:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495f39a0e1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <109709@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > You asked for other suggestions. Well I feel more needs to be > done with rectangles with rounded corners. The usual method > for achieving this actually doesn't work terribly well. I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. (duplicate frame, fill duplicate black, offset, bring original to front) I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round corners - only the basic straight line ones. Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in Ovation Pro? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 18:32:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109938 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 18:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942341804:10:18959:41; Thu, 11 Nov 99 17:36:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018892; 11 Nov 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19272 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:03:41 GMT Received: from widukind.bi.teuto.net (IDENT:root@widukind.bi.teuto.net [212.8.197.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19267 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 17:03:38 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by widukind.bi.teuto.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA31145 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:02:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199911111702.SAA31145@widukind.bi.teuto.net> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 11 Nov 1999 11:47:35 GMT Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >Any ideas for other (useful) shapes besides those currently on offer? > To me the actual problem was that sometimes one would like to rotate a frame/shape whitout rotating its contents, because in contrast to graphics the baselines of text cannot accoomodate. With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 19:26:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109975 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:26:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942348314:20:18668:21; Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:25:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018547; 11 Nov 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19579 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:51:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19574 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:51:39 GMT Received: from (62.188.131.99) [62.188.131.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11lzIz-0000UF-00; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:50:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 16:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Payments Message-ID: <495f5dca81richard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA19575 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB19579 In article <495e3815b9alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>, Alan P Dawes wrote: > What are the flaws in the following ideas, which are based on > discussions I had with my bank manager last year when I was executor of > a will, about the cheapest way of transferring money to one of the > recipients who was moving around in various countries. details snipped.. Small amounts paid via the bank are a pain for the recipient! We get such payments, and we often have to guess who they are from! Credit card is far far easier at this end: since we initiate the transaction, we KNOW what it's for and who is paying it! So the paperwork is all computerised anyway. Then there are bank charges on top: very small amounts don't attract a charge but for payments of any size, there's a =A36 charge! --=20 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 20:00:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109977 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 20:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942348535:10:15807:20; Thu, 11 Nov 99 19:28:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103496; 11 Nov 99 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19668 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:14:11 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19663 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:14:10 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11lzen-000P5P-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:13:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 18:36:57 GMT Message-Id: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with >round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. >I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round >corners - only the basic straight line ones. Well actually wrapping draw borders/shadows around arbitrary shapes is not on. I suppose I could easily enable them on round cornered frames though. >Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in >Ovation Pro? The program as it is now understands some of the oddities of Vector files. Three years back I put quite a bit of effort into more Vector support. But the owners of Vector didn't want to grant permission - end of story. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 21:31:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA109993 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 21:30:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942353966:20:21689:47; Thu, 11 Nov 99 20:59:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108422; 11 Nov 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19901 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:31:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19895 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:31:31 GMT Received: from (62.188.134.193) [62.188.134.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11m0rd-0003Ff-00; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 20:30:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 00:23:20 +0100 Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495f00caabdavidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495e5c2154rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > BTW, how can I produce a triangular frame with the point at the top? > Cheers, > Ray D Change to path mode and move the point leaing the other two static David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Nov 11 22:29:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110003 for opro ; Thu, 11 Nov 99 22:29:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942358231:10:26099:20; Thu, 11 Nov 99 22:10:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025669; 11 Nov 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20206 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:31:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20199 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:31:29 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.12) [62.188.133.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11m1nf-0004kV-00; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:30:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Landbank) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 21:30:00 +0000 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Bold Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I posted this note in sept, things have now become desperate if anyone can help I would be happy to offer payment for a quick solution. Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. This is a book of 70 pages and about a thousand sentences to turn bold. So as you can see a quick way to select the first sentence in each paragraph and turn it bold will be a great help. -- ___ _____ .---------------------------------. | | | | ___| |Britains most comprehensive land | | | |____ | |__ :sourcing system 0118-9626022 : | | | __ | |__ | ---------------------------------- | |____ ||__|| ___| | info@landbank.co.uk |______| |____| |____| www.landbank.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 01:46:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110016 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 01:46:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942367867:20:26626:18; Fri, 12 Nov 99 00:51:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123951; 12 Nov 99 0:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20745 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:36:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA20740 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:36:43 GMT Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [193.149.84.6] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11m4gu-0000z0-00; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:35:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:28:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: How to produce type=5 error Message-ID: <495f7f9b5erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <109942@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I would greatly value the ability to have frame shadows working with > >round corners. My way of doing it at the moment is very convoluted. > >I've also noticed that the Draw file borders don't work with round > >corners - only the basic straight line ones. > Well actually wrapping draw borders/shadows around arbitrary shapes is > not on. I suppose I could easily enable them on round cornered frames > though. That at least would be a great help. > >Now that Vector is supplied with RO4, how about Vector support in > >Ovation Pro? > The program as it is now understands some of the oddities of Vector > files. But if I drop a Vector file into OP it rejects it completely. This is with 2.55. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 01:47:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110018 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 01:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942363593:10:06543:21; Thu, 11 Nov 99 23:39:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122644; 11 Nov 99 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20573 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:25:16 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20568 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:25:14 GMT Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20575 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:22:33 GMT Received: from modem-120.erythromycin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.248] helo=wallace) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.03 #0) id 11m3Zj-0007VE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:24:19 +0000 Message-ID: <007701bf2bfa$5b8abaa0$0200000a@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Style Palette 1.05 Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 04:08:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The latest daily instalment of StylePal the movie (aka v1.05) is now available for download from http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/it/ It now uses + signs instead of crosses when multiple styles apply (in both RO3 and 4), which is perhaps a touch more logical. Thanks to Roger Noble for spotting that I'd made the crosses vanish in RO4 :-/ Share and enjoy, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110039 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942376630:10:09682:18; Fri, 12 Nov 99 03:17:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115448; 12 Nov 99 3:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA21142 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:02:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA21137 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:02:25 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11m6xt-00031w-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 03:01:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 02:25:24 GMT Message-Id: <110037@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bold X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. A bit like; --------------------8<---------------------- Cut between the lines and save with type b24 void main(void) { int bm1; int c; bm1=bmcreate("xx1"); setbmtocaret(bm1); bmmove(bm1,1,7); setcarettobm(bm1); while(1) { c=bmchar(bm1); if(c=='.' || c<32) break; bmmove(bm1,1,0); } setzonetobm(bm1); seteffect(BOLD); setcarettobm(bm1); bmdelete(bm1); } ----------------------8<------------------- Double click to execute David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Nov 12 13:35:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA110042 for opro ; Fri, 12 Nov 99 13:35:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 942386802:10:03158:21; Fri, 12 Nov 99 06:06:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002877; 12 Nov 99 6:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21602 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:51:49 GMT Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21597 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 05:51:47 GMT Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id GAA14156 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:50:49 +0100 (MET) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11lvNT-000JKlC; Thu, 11 Nov 99 15:39 MET Message-ID: <382AC659.4571@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:36:25 +0100 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Button size References: <5c01c45c49.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> <38297EA3.4046@hman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedenc