From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106053 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938831114:20:26191:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 02:25:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117952; 2 Oct 99 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28211 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:57:54 +0100 Received: from hummvee.islandia.is (hummvee.islandia.is [194.144.156.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28206 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:57:52 +0100 Received: from nas591.islandia.is (nas591.islandia.is [194.144.158.71]) by hummvee.islandia.is (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA25879 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:59:11 GMT (envelope-from karri@islandia.is) From: Johannes Thordarson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OT: Nothing received from the list since 12/09/99 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 01:54:00 +0100 Organization: Thorson International ehf. Message-ID: <=VL1N8cA8y66rkTK6cl99yKHnqlk@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id CAA28207 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, I am wondering. Is the list down for some reason, or is it my ISP not redirecting from my previous subscribed address? Old addr.: karri@treknet.is New addr.: karri@islandia.is - which I used today to resubscribe to the list. Is everyone else receiving mail from the list? Thanks for any reply. Best regards, Johannes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106054 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938861917:10:18985:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 10:58:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109979; 2 Oct 99 10:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29309 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:43:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29304 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:43:56 +0100 Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XMcm-00068z-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:42:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:02:55 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494aa1e8fdjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I also upgraded my older 2.52 version to 2.54 and got the message "Internal >error: abort on data transfer". >I changed the folowing line in the !Run file: > WimpSlot -min 1152K -max 1152K >to > WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K I think this is a very good point. In my efforts to not clobber things in old versions that users might have set up, I didn't put in a new !Run file. I wish I had... As far as I can tell if you go the 2.46->2.51->2.52->2.54 route and correctly apply the patches there will be no problem. If you do new 2.52->2.54 you may have too small a wimp slot, I say 'may' because Beebug shipped 2.52 with a slot of 1184K not 1152K as above... David Pilling Strange - my Beebug 2.52 already had 1388K WimpSlot, carried thro on upgrade to 2.54 -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106057 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938850592:20:22225:21; Sat, 02 Oct 99 07:49:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105946; 2 Oct 99 7:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28846 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:31:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA28841 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:31:55 +0100 Received: from (62.188.135.26) [62.188.135.26] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11XJcx-0007YG-00; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:30:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:28 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > >I also upgraded my older 2.52 version to 2.54 and got the message > "Internal > >error: abort on data transfer". > >I changed the folowing line in the !Run file: > > WimpSlot -min 1152K -max 1152K > >to > > WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K > Many thanks for that I thought it was me. Ran the download twice as I thought must be faulty > > As far as I can tell if you go the 2.46->2.51->2.52->2.54 route > and correctly apply the patches there will be no problem. > Mine has gone from 2.46, but got this problem. My WimpSlot was 1152K (never looked inside before) but just checked on original floppy from Beebug an it has 1152K, so must have come like this. Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106056 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938867760:10:28313:22; Sat, 02 Oct 99 12:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028198; 2 Oct 99 12:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29629 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:21:12 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29624 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:21:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 6117 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 12:19:57 -0000 Received: from user1225.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.225) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 12:19:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Paul Hutton Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:52:09 +0100 Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... Message-ID: <494aabe95crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > I have happily upgraded to 2.54, but there is one little thing that has > disappeared, and it was wonderful before under 2.52: When you look at > the macros window, you used to be able to maximise it, but now under > 2.54 this is no longer possible. Any chance of re-introducing this > feature? I assume it is not too difficult to do; something in the > templates? (Not a clue, me...) I like the new layout of the dialogue > boxes, by the way. Are you sure you have the correct template file? If I click on the maximise icon in the corner of the window, the macros window opens full screen. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106061 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938861076:20:02451:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 10:44:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002370; 2 Oct 99 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:17:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29194 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:17:31 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XMDD-000E4N-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:16:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:44:03 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: now you see it, now you don't... To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David (via the ng) I have happily upgraded to 2.54, but there is one little thing that has disappeared, and it was wonderful before under 2.52: When you look at the macros window, you used to be able to maximise it, but now under 2.54 this is no longer possible. Any chance of re-introducing this feature? I assume it is not too difficult to do; something in the templates? (Not a clue, me...) I like the new layout of the dialogue boxes, by the way. Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets menu? MTIA -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 15:35:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106076 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:35:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938873826:20:08160:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008077; 2 Oct 99 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29816 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:18 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.force9.net [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29810 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 32236 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24217 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.249) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:47:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:53:45 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <105599@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > >Would it be possible to have a wildcard for white space available for search > >and replace - the designation could be \w? > > So what would that match? Any number of spaces? or...? > Sorry not to be specific before - I was thinking of any combination of characters which results in white space on the printed page, except new-line or new-para. Multiple spaces (probably 3 or more for when a typist puts 2 after a full stop), combinations of spaces and tabs, combinations including non-breaking spaces. That is how I remember it working on PageMaker (it's over 2 years since I've Pagemaker), but I've no idea how you would write an algorithm which would catch all possibilities. A tall order I realise. > > >single search and replace to put them all to tabs instead of my current > >practice of replace 3 spaces with a tab, replace 2 tabs with a single tab, > >and again a few times until all are done, replace tab-space with a tab, > > > You could set up the 'fluff' applet to do this for you. > > I'll look into this, thanks for the suggestion. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 15:35:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106077 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938873000:10:02892:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:03:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119318; 2 Oct 99 14:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29822 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:20 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.force9.net [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29817 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 32239 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:48:05 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:48:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24225 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.249) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:48:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:05:42 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA29818 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB29822 In on Wed 29 Sep, Andy's Progs wrote: > On Wed 29 Sep 1999 (02:09:09 +0100), pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk wrote: > >One last attempt at solving this puzzle before I go to bed... those > >carriage returns... they're definitely 'New paragraphs' and not 'New > >lines'? > >SHIFT-Return inserts a 'new-line' which does not start a new paragraph > >and so does not act a boundary for the Paragraph Apply context. Return > >on its own > >is a proper new paragraph. > > > >If it's not that then I'm out of ideas...=20 > > > I've turned on the invisibles and yes, it appears that there are occasi= onally two diff > erent "carriage returns" being entered. One is a "=AC" (next to the 1 k= ey, gotten by pre > ssing shift) the other looks like a backwards "P" but filled in. h > owever, it seems to ignore the "shift-enter rule" that you mentioned ab= ove and sort of > do them at will. Once it will do a "=AC" then next time a "P". no reas= onng to it though > ! I know others have already answered the question and suggested a sticky s= hift key. Just so you know what you're looking at "=AC" is the new-line indica= tor, the "=B6" (ascii 182) like a filled backwards P is the new-para indicator= .. (It looks grotty in the system font.) Anthoyn --=20 ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 16:38:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106087 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 16:38:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938875957:20:24048:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:52:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114856; 2 Oct 99 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30058 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30053 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XQGi-000N9X-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:36:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:29:34 GMT Message-Id: <106074@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets >menu? Create a button macro with the body... {open_menu(script_menu(1))} David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 16:39:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106089 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 16:39:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938876204:20:26087:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:56:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026051; 2 Oct 99 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30104 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30099 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:42:57 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XQLz-000Pt1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:41:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: Paul Hutton Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 15:42:00 +0100 Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear David (via the ng) > I have happily upgraded to 2.54, but there is one little thing that has > disappeared, and it was wonderful before under 2.52: When you look at > the macros window, you used to be able to maximise it, but now under > 2.54 this is no longer possible. Any chance of re-introducing this > feature? I assume it is not too difficult to do; something in the > templates? (Not a clue, me...) I like the new layout of the dialogue > boxes, by the way. Works OK here i'm afraid! > Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets > menu? Just write a new macro, say appletmenu {open_menu(script_menu(1))} This may not appear correctly in your reader, so I will attach a zipfile with another copy. Also a copy of my button sprite. Hope that helps, Ian begin 644 new.zip M4$L#!!0``@`(`/-T0B>`EOS4(@```"<````(`!@`5&5X=&9I;&5!0Q0`05)#a M,$G___\+/[M*`P````````!++"C(22W)3*JSB](S8L'L36*DXLR"TH@a M;$--S5H`4$L#!!0``@`(`!QU0B?L#,1M_W1HS1:-O6:)K&a M""$855498^Y:8QA@X#/1(S$,T0AO,#@F$%GQWN](XCWD-70?/H@V#;!Z$`]$a MU[6X%HC31EQF.V0_B4=URD[)50^_./WA75%_*GQ?^/2[J<:X[7B+?'#BS*YQ'ETMV^3>.SZPN!2FE._Y7RCZEXR?7>7*1LSGSa M\3@_7^;/.WX!4$L!`A0-%``"``@`\W1")X"6_-0B````)P````@`&```````a M`````("!`````%1E>'1F:6QE04,4`$%20S!)____"S^[2@,`````````4$L!a M`A0-%``"``@`''5")]RVMA3^````F`(```H`&````````````(:!8````&%Pa M<&QE=&UE;G5!0Q0`05)#,$GY__\>7;M*,P````````!02P4&``````(``@">a )````G@$`````a end RiscOS filetype : DDC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 16:39:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106090 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 16:39:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938876725:20:00644:19; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100267; 2 Oct 99 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30044 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30039 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XQGT-000N9X-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:35:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:03:34 GMT Message-Id: <106063@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Mine has gone from 2.46, but got this problem. My WimpSlot was 1152K (never >looked inside before) but just checked on original floppy from Beebug an it has >1152K, so must have come like this. Yes but, the 2.46 to 2.51 patch correctly applied replaces the 2.46 !Run file. This (a) changes the slot size to 1388K and (b) stops all the messing with having to click on the right !OvnResDir By my calculations the minimum slot size for 2.54 is 1157K - given in general it must be rounded to the nearest 32K - 1184K should be OK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 17:40:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106099 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:40:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938879729:20:24942:25; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:55:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024866; 2 Oct 99 15:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30365 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:40:53 +0100 Received: from mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30360 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:40:51 +0100 Received: from iserlohn.netsurf.de (hennen15.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.207]) by mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA20768 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:39:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:38:54 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro 2.54g was Re: OPro 2.49g was Re: News Message-ID: <7aabc04a49.march@fxweb.de> References: <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de> In-Reply-To: <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA30361 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB30365 on 09. july 99 Martin Vethake wrote in message <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de>: >>> the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour >>> Supplement seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. >>> is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgrad= e >>> to 2.52 from your website? >> >> I was talking to UCS last week about sorting out 2.52 - german. So I g= uess >> that will appear in due course. >> > This being the last day before our summer holiday I can only say > that we will take that on in August. So please anybody don't hold Your > breath ;) as i had made my experiences with UCS so far, i didn=B4t hold it. :-> i might be the only one interested in a german version but may i suggest nevertheless that you skip translating 2.52 and go directly to 2.54? :-> thanks in advance, march. --=20 saying your os is better because more people use it is like saying mcdonald's makes the best food in the world. www.riscos.com=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:07:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106106 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938919843:20:06337:19; Sun, 03 Oct 99 03:04:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108093; 3 Oct 99 3:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31862 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:35:03 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31847 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:34:58 +0100 Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p238-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.203.238]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA14279 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:33:32 +1300 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:16:49 +1300 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106096@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 03 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Yes but, the 2.46 to 2.51 patch correctly applied replaces the 2.46 !Run > >file. This (a) changes the slot size to 1388K and (b) stops all the messing > >with having to click on the right !OvnResDir > > It follows that if you're having to update the wimp slot > by hand, then you're missing any changes to the rest of !Run > and probably other files too. > > In summary it seems to be just the old thing about > the patching process either not being done correctly or > the instructions not being clear enough. You are so right about the patching not being done correctly and other files not being changed properly says he, red faced after trying 4 times to get 2.54 from 2.46 and resorting to insert the wimpslot size by hand. By being more careful I got 2.54 without need to insert wimpslot sizes in !Run and found different file sizes relative to the version with the hand insertion. So be warned if you have used the wimpslot insertion method - other things may be only partially what they should be if my investigation means significant differences in function are also present!! This does, however, bring up a point which may be valid. If the end product is flawed there is no way with !Run and other 'text' files of knowing an earlier version has not been modified as it should be. Would it be possible to insert a line saying what the version is now? I knew I had fluffed initially when I found the 1152K line in my alleged 2.54. It would have been much easier to be told right at the top that this isthe !Run file for 2.46 (not 2.54 as expected). Perhaps for future upgrades? Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: facts *might* just relate to the club. -- J.M.A. Brown |Secretary/Treasurer, Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |For club matters contact me via email if you can Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610, RISC OS 4, StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106109 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:07:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938947899:20:19601:18; Sun, 03 Oct 99 10:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019588; 3 Oct 99 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32552 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:35:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA32547 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:35:45 +0100 Received: from (62.188.131.226) [62.188.131.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11XiyA-0001xJ-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:34:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: Paul Hutton Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 11:34:12 +0100 Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a MIME encapsulated message. --494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96 Content-Type: text/plain In article , P Hutton wrote: > Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets > menu? {open_menu(script_menu(1))} Button sprite attached Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers --494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96 Content-Type: application/riscos; Name="applet,FF9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 AQAAABAAAABcAwAATAMAAGFwcGxldAAAAAAAAAQAAAATAAAAAAAAAB8AAAAs AAAAvAEAABwAAAD///////////////////////////////////////////31 /////////////////////3xHRURM8P/////////////+/v58eFNHRkZMW/// /////////vxZ8EZERURMUEZF0///////9k9PbCIkIVhFIkAiT9NO/P////31 evR4Tk5OQkFBQUJB8f/////+8vf+8XxOQUFAQUVGR0ZN/v////X3//b0eEZB QEJGeHl8eEbx////8v/28nhOQUFBRnx1dXx8R0////71/vP0R0NAQEJHeXV1 dXx4Qv///nr29XlNQCNARXh8dXV1cXhF////9fL18EZAQEBOR3h8dHl8W0L/ ///09fF4RkAiQEJHeHx5fHhHTv////55fPBGQEBAQkZHT1N4eEZP//////Bb eEZAIkBBTUZHR09GQvL//////kdHQkEiQEBCQkZDRkJP////////8U1CQEAi QEBCQUVBTv//////////8U1AIUAiQCNASfD///////////////7y/fH88f7/ ////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD//wAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAD///////8AAAAAAAAAAAAA//////////////8AAAAAAAAA AP////////////////8AAAAAAP////////////////////8AAAD///////// //////////8AAAAA//////////////////////8AAAD///////////////// /////wAAAP//////////////////////AAD///////////////////////8A AP///////////////////////wAAAP//////////////////////AAAA//// //////////////////8AAAD//////////////////////wAAAAD///////// ////////////AAAAAP///////////////////wAAAAAAAP////////////// //8AAAAAAAAAAP//////////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAD/////////AAAAAAAA AA== --494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106112 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938883699:10:26500:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:01:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026495; 2 Oct 99 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30683 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:32:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30678 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:32:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XS3n-0004mP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:31:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:08:09 GMT Message-Id: <106096@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes but, the 2.46 to 2.51 patch correctly applied replaces the 2.46 !Run >file. This (a) changes the slot size to 1388K and (b) stops all the messing >with having to click on the right !OvnResDir It follows that if you're having to update the wimp slot by hand, then you're missing any changes to the rest of !Run and probably other files too. In summary it seems to be just the old thing about the patching process either not being done correctly or the instructions not being clear enough. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106118 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938884672:10:04003:18; Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:17:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003916; 2 Oct 99 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30814 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:03:25 +0100 Received: from hummvee.islandia.is (hummvee.islandia.is [194.144.156.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30809 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:03:23 +0100 Received: from nas552.islandia.is (nas552.islandia.is [194.144.158.32]) by hummvee.islandia.is (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA66549 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:04:32 GMT (envelope-from karri@islandia.is) From: Johannes Thordarson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Nothing received from the list since 12/09/99 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:02:11 +0100 Organization: Thorson International ehf. Message-ID: References: <=VL1N8cA8y66rkTK6cl99yKHnqlk@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <=VL1N8cA8y66rkTK6cl99yKHnqlk@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA30810 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I'm now receiving again from the list to my new addr. Thanks to Andy Carter, Alasdair Murden and David Pilling for their replies. Regards, Johannes On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 01:54:00 +0100, I wrote: >I am wondering. Is the list down for some reason,... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106130 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938961292:10:20166:18; Sun, 03 Oct 99 14:34:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020117; 3 Oct 99 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00488 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:06:47 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00483 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:06:41 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user188.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.120]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09896 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:05:12 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:58:32 +0100 Subject: Applet menu macro button Message-ID: <494b3b5136marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Oct, Steve White wrote: > In article , P > Hutton wrote: > > Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of > > applets menu? > {open_menu(script_menu(1))} Button sprite attached > > Cheers Steve Excellent! Thank you! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106134 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938965177:10:23668:18; Sun, 03 Oct 99 15:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107137; 3 Oct 99 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00647 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00642 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:00 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XnGX-0006Pf-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:09:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:08:17 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: f4... To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Can anyone help me on this: I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a space instead, but I don't even want that! Any help gratefully received. -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106136 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939067243:20:11560:19; Mon, 04 Oct 99 20:00:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011370; 4 Oct 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03668 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:42:08 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03663 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:42:05 +0100 Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20239 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:41:51 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation ML Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:41:41 +1200 Subject: Styles OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: <494bde91dbkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, On 04 Oct, Colin Woolf wrote: > This is a repeatable occurence ! > 1. Bring up Edit Styles box, drag a Stylesheet onto window and > overwrite all styles by clicking on the overwrite button. > 2. Click OK, then click in document window, and click on Select All > macro button on top toolbar. > Ovation suffers Type 5 error > Hope this helps David ! Otherwise none of the other problems have > occurred so far ! I thought that I would try the above to see if it failed for me [RISC PC - ARM710 - RISC OS 3.6 - 24Mb memory - Window Manager 3.98 - Ovation Pro 2.54] Scenario --------- 1. Load Ovation Pro to icon bar. 2. Click Menu on icon bar -> Stationery -> View to open a directory which I knew contained at least one style sheet. 3. Select click on icon bar icon to open a blank default document -> "Message from Ovation Pro" window absolutely blank except for the continue button and OvnPro and exclamation mark icons on the left. 4. Click on continue and the window disappears - everything else appears to be normal. I cannot reproduce Colin's Type 5 error. This bug, too is repeatable - every time I take the actions 1, 2 and 3 in that order - but only the FIRST time after booting from switch-on (re-loads of Ovation Pro behave normally)! - the blank message window appears. Whether this is a related problem I cannot say - but it is interesting rather than a problem, isn't it? Regards, Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106138 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938977231:10:08950:17; Sun, 03 Oct 99 19:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008893; 3 Oct 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01122 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:06:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01117 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:06:27 +0100 Received: from (62.188.138.50) [62.188.138.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Xq0E-0000ir-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:04:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:34:24 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Euros, tic(k)s and other irritations (Was OvationPro 2.54 available now...) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hmm, off topic, but I can't resist: I keep my accounts using the now venerable Almanac, which (thankfully ) is still functioning on Risc OS 4. However, when I reconcile a statement sheet, instead of each item amount being ticked, it's now converted to Euros. Apparently the rate of exchange is exactly 1UKP to 1 Euro ;-) On a more serious note, how can I place the sprite 'tick' in an OvnPro document? Do I have to copy it from Resources.$.Resources.Wimp.Sprites22-tick (or a copy thereof), or is there a keyboard short-cut? TIA Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:13:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106148 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:13:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939019854:10:17477:33; Mon, 04 Oct 99 06:50:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110894; 4 Oct 99 6:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02376 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02371 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:37 +0100 Received: from (62.188.138.223) [62.188.138.223] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Y1U8-0002Gx-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:26:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Styles OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: <494b595bc1colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910021541.QAA30374@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199910021541.QAA30374@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi This is a repeatable occurence ! 1. Bring up Edit Styles box, drag a Stylesheet onto window and overwrite all styles by clicking on the overwrite button. 2. Click OK, then click in document window, and click on Select All macro button on top toolbar. Ovation suffers Type 5 error Hope this helps David ! Otherwise none of the other problems have occurred so far ! Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:14:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106158 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939111929:10:14045:55; Tue, 05 Oct 99 08:25:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013675; 5 Oct 99 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04980 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:04:20 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04975 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:04:18 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA01015 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:03:54 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:59:06 +0100 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Crash on Stationery Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have Ovation Pro 2.54, RISC OS 4.02 Stationary applet 1.05 When trying to open a stationery document through the menu I get the following message: Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=5 But when I open an OvpStyle document through the stationery menu first, the other documents load correct. The stationary documents are DDL files. But opening a ddl file direct as first document doesn't crash Ovation Pro So something between stationery and ROS 4 I think because 2.51 doesn't work correct either. Maarten ps. was there a wishlist somewhere? I just read the specs of adobe indesign, so I can think of some nice features at the moment -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:15:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106168 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:15:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939140177:10:18632:38; Tue, 05 Oct 99 16:16:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018476; 5 Oct 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05876 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:35 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05870; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199910051447.PAA05870@omega.barnet.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Subject: Majordomo results: Styles OvnPro 2.54 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- >>>> Greetings, **** Command 'greetings,' not recognized. >>>> On 04 Oct, Colin Woolf wrote: **** Command 'on' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > This is a repeatable occurence ! **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > 1. Bring up Edit Styles box, drag a Stylesheet onto window and **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> > overwrite all styles by clicking on the overwrite button. **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > 2. Click OK, then click in document window, and click on Select All **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> > macro button on top toolbar. **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > Ovation suffers Type 5 error **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > Hope this helps David ! 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If you have any questions or problems, please contact "Majordomo-Owner@lists.barnet.ac.uk". -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 20:23:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106176 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 20:22:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939150842:10:04066:38; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:14:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003572; 5 Oct 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06074 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:02:36 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (temp-mail.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06068 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:02:33 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00719 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:02:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199910051602.SAA00719@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 Oct 1999 07:47:56 GMT Subject: Re: OPro 2.54g was Re: OPro 2.49g was Re: News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB06074 In your earlier message you wrote: > >on 09. july 99 Martin Vethake wrote >in message <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de>: > >>>> the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour >>>> Supplement seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. >>>> is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgra= de >>>> to 2.52 from your website? >>> >>> I was talking to UCS last week about sorting out 2.52 - german. So I = guess >>> that will appear in due course. >>> >> This being the last day before our summer holiday I can only say >> that we will take that on in August. So please anybody don't hold Your >> breath ;) > >as i had made my experiences with UCS so far, i didn=B4t hold it. :-> > >i might be the only one interested in a german version but may i suggest >nevertheless that you skip translating 2.52 and go directly to 2.54? :-> > We do have 2.53 ready in german. On 9 Sep I put this on our web-site: : Die aktuelle deutsche Version (2.53) von Ovation Pro ist jetzt : verfügbar. Bitte schicken Sie uns alle : Disketten zum Update ein. Yes, we do want to do a conventional mailing for the new version too. Apologies for the delay but a wholly new copy-protection / registration scheme had to be implemented and tested. As for the intermediate versions of OP like 2.50, 2.51 or 2.52: all of them were translated fine but none were fit for proper release. Remember we put all german useres on 2.49g discs and all of the newer versions being based off 2.46 ? We really would not have managed to swap discs fast enough to distribute any of those versions. Those beebug discs were copy-protected like the emperor's marbles... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:35:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106190 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 21:35:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939075973:20:05356:19; Mon, 04 Oct 99 22:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005223; 4 Oct 99 22:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03997 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03992 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:44 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.108) [62.188.136.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YGAl-00051G-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A. Thompson" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:00:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: f4... Message-ID: <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Can anyone help me on this: > I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story > with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of > doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I > remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a > space instead, but I don't even want that! > Any help gratefully received. > -- > Paul Hutton > "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and > those who can't." If I have understood your problem correctly: 1. turn off smart quotes if in use 2. use f4 and enter " in the find box 3. leave the replace box empty 4. click go and either select replace on each occurrence or replace to end of file This will remove all occurrences but replace with nothing causing the text to move one place to the left for each " removed. HTH -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Doug Thompson | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dathompson@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:36:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106191 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 21:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939077462:20:22745:18; Mon, 04 Oct 99 22:51:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022642; 4 Oct 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04107 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:35:20 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04102 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:35:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 7341 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 22:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 22:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7140 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 22:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.95.133) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 22:34:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:19:22 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: f4... To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Can anyone help me on this: > > I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story > with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of > doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I > remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a > space instead, but I don't even want that! > > Any help gratefully received. > Search for speech marks, leave the replace field blank, and replace each occurrence. You are then replacing with nothing - just removing the speech marks. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:36:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106200 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 21:36:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939141821:20:04201:22; Tue, 05 Oct 99 16:43:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003020; 5 Oct 99 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05993 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:41:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05988 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:41:04 +0100 Received: from (193.149.75.230) [193.149.75.230] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YWhk-00038q-00; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:40:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:34:32 +0100 Subject: Joining files Message-ID: <494c4bc769tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have produced a series of booklets and have chosen to prepare them as separate chapter files. Is there an easy way to join these files together? Thanks, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 02:38:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106250 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 02:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939161834:20:29214:32; Tue, 05 Oct 99 22:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106007; 5 Oct 99 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06870 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:57:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06865 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:57:48 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11YcaE-000B4c-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:57:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:24:54 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message "m.m.ottens" wrote: > Hi, > > I have Ovation Pro 2.54, RISC OS 4.02 Stationary applet 1.05 > > When trying to open a stationery document through the menu I get the > following message: > > Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=5 > > But when I open an OvpStyle document through the stationery menu first, the > other documents load correct. The stationary documents are DDL files. But > opening a ddl file direct as first document doesn't crash Ovation Pro > > So something between stationery and ROS 4 I think because 2.51 doesn't work > correct either. Same set up... can't reproduce your problem. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:18:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106300 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:18:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939178772:20:06684:18; Wed, 06 Oct 99 02:59:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005966; 6 Oct 99 2:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07364 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07356 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yh1j-0001zP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:41:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 03:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <106290@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Joining files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have produced a series of booklets and have chosen to prepare them as >separate chapter files. Is there an easy way to join these files together? No 8-( I guess you're either stuck with copy and paste betweend documents, or splicing the DDL files together. Thats highly effective but you'd need a good head for DDL to make it work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:18:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106301 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:18:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939179479:20:18601:18; Wed, 06 Oct 99 03:11:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121947; 6 Oct 99 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07368 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07361 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yh1l-0001zP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:42:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 03:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <106292@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >stationery crash crashes for me... I will investigate. And thankss for the other bug reports. I'll have a look at those too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:34:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106308 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:33:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939192542:10:05599:20; Wed, 06 Oct 99 06:49:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005316; 6 Oct 99 6:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07857 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:33:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07852 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:33:47 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.149) [193.149.71.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YkdY-0004A4-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:33:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:35:24 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Upgrades via a PC? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAA07853 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAB07857 Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro.=20 >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through necess= ity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC and one = of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying monthly, only t= o find access more and more web sites denied me....but that=91s another s= tory) So, I have two computers, linked via switching gear. I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will continu= e to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with the use= r group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Is t= here an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge and return p= ostage?) Is there a =90freeserve=91 for the Acorn market? Is it possible= to download a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I=91ve tried this and I can=91t ge= t it to work, but then I=91m no techie) Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. Kindest regards, Paul Paul Hedge Torquay --=20 __ __ __ __ __ ___ ___________________________________________= __ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machin= es ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:34:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106309 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:34:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939196906:10:15330:57; Wed, 06 Oct 99 08:01:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124999; 6 Oct 99 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08042 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:43:04 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08036 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:43:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 27890 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 07:42:30 -0000 Received: from userb661.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.83.136) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 07:42:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:35:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Message-ID: <494ca3bc1bdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Paul wrote: > Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro. > >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through > >necessity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC > >and one of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying > >monthly, only to find access more and more web sites denied me....but > >that's another story) So, I have two computers, linked via switching > >gear. > I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will > continue to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with > the user group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades > etc? Is there an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge > and return postage?) Is there a 'freeserve' for the Acorn market? Is it > possible to download a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I've tried this and I > can't get it to work, but then I'm no techie) > Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. > Kindest regards, > Paul Paul, Not an Ov Pro subject granted, but of general interest so a quick reply. I too was getting the grumps with RO internetting, however... Using Fresco and the ANT Https128 module, it is now possible for me to do Online banking, and for SWMBO to do her online shopping. While we still do use !Voyager (SWMBO only uses that and nothing else), I don't use it very much as some time ago I began using Socketeer, PopsStar and NewsHound... with Pluto as my News/Mail read/Writer. This combination now allows me to have multiple Free accounts, and the SSL 128 gives me access to many secured sites. Javascript still remains a problem, though the beta JSFresco may be a bit wobbly, it will access many JS sites okay (ish). I should imagine from what Paul has been saying JS is not that far away. But then again... Argo were saying that last Christmas/New year. :-( So... while we are still a long way behind PC land internetting, it is now possible to get as some important stuff. You need to email Paul at Argo if you want a copy of the Https128 module. Cheers Dave S PS: Regarding down loading upgrades using a PC. Doesn't matter what computer system you use (within reason), the OV Pro upgrade for example is a Spark/Zip archive. I've just gone to an IBM PC and down loaded the OV Pro upgrade, made the PC put it into the TEMP dir, dragged that to a floppy and then transferred it to my RPC... no problems. BTW...I could just as easily instructed the download wizard to download straight to the floppy. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 18:44:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106318 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 18:43:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939219493:10:28804:31; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:18:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029018; 6 Oct 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08835 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:28:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08830 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:28:56 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.12) [62.188.133.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Yr7D-0003Bo-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:28:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:26:46 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Following my original posting, and suggestions of removing all applets as a cure - I did this (not just turned them off but moved them all out of the !OvPro application directory) _and_ made sure none of the filters were booted _and_ did a shift_ctrl reset so nothing else except !Scrap and !System and !OPro were loaded- the problem still occurred. It seems to boil down to: if, after some full pages, there is an 'empty' last page which exists only because, say, there are some on it and no text or pictures or indeed anything other than master frames, and those returns are deleted, and that last page disappears, then causes a Type 5 error, OPro crashes and the pointer disappears until F12 - ie doesn't like undoing the deletion of a page where that deletion occurs solely because with no text before them are deleted ( ie intermediate pages with text on them that are deleted can be got back with without a Type 5 error as one would expect). I've upgraded to 2.54 and it occurs in that version too. Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 18:44:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106319 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 18:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939220054:10:05786:20; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:27:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102215; 6 Oct 99 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08827 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:27:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08822 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:27:36 +0100 Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yr5y-000639-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:27:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:33:15 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: f4... Message-ID: <2108b44c49.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.06a (MsgServe/1.06a) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> "D.A. Thompson" wrote: >On 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > >>Dear all >>Can anyone help me on this: >>I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in >>the story with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so >>is there a way of doing a search and replace to remove the speech >>marks completely? I remember dimly about a way of replacing with >>something like /x0a to add a space instead, but I don't even want >>that! > >If I have understood your problem correctly: >1. turn off smart quotes if in use >2. use f4 and enter " in the find box >3. leave the replace box empty >4. click go and either select replace on each occurrence or replace >to end of file > >This will remove all occurrences but replace with nothing causing >the text to move one place to the left for each " removed. The solutions provided would do a straightforward replace but I've got a /feeling/ that they may not be answering the question. It's that word *script* - is it being uses as in script for a play or does it have some other Literacy Hour meaning, IYSWIM. If they are not doing what you want why not provide a short example of what you have and how you want it to be. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 20:58:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106341 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 20:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939236108:20:15416:27; Wed, 06 Oct 99 18:55:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015437; 6 Oct 99 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09494 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:35:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09489 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:35:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yvtj-000KpB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:34:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 19:27:14 GMT Message-Id: <106335@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>stationery crash >crashes for me... I will investigate. I've fixed this now. It is nothing to do with RISC OS 4, and nothing much to do with the stationery applet. It will only occur if a normal document or style sheet has not been loaded previous to an attempt to load a DDL file (or text file or script file). And note I say 'load' double clicking (running) the file won't cause the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 21:00:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106351 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 21:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939237954:10:03859:22; Wed, 06 Oct 99 19:25:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003814; 6 Oct 99 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09556 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:48:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09551 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:48:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yw66-000Lc9-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:47:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 19:41:06 GMT Message-Id: <106338@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euros, tic(k)s and other irritations (Was OvationPro 2.54 available now...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On a more serious note, how can I place the sprite 'tick' in an OvnPro >document? Do I have to copy it from Resources.$.Resources.Wimp.Sprites22-tick >(or a copy thereof), or is there a keyboard short-cut? I'd think the best suggestion would be to use a tick from a symbol font like Dingbats aka Selwyn. That should be pretty easy, Selwyn is normally the single shift font. So a tick is just two key strokes. And to make things easier you could turn them into a key macro. i.e. {'F10}b will do the trick. single quote F10 to single shift, and then 'b' gives a tick in Selwyn. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 14:27:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106402 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 14:27:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939296186:20:14241:40; Thu, 07 Oct 99 11:36:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013814; 7 Oct 99 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18031 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:44:23 +0100 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18022 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:44:21 +0100 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:43:28 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24453 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:41:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:41:30 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106335@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >>stationery crash > >crashes for me... I will investigate. > > I've fixed this now. It is nothing to do with RISC OS 4, > and nothing much to do with the stationery applet. > A branch-line, but this is a frequent problem I have. Is there an easy way of finding if an Applet is new. David's site has the version number, but the only way I know of finding the number of my existing version is to wade through layers on the disc. Am I being dim, and there is an easier way? Don -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 14:27:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106403 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 14:27:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939296969:20:25012:30; Thu, 07 Oct 99 11:49:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106609; 7 Oct 99 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18053 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:46:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18048 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:46:07 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.76.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZA6z-0003B4-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:45:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:45:50 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forgive me for being a bit stupid, but where is the upgrade to 2.54. I can't find it anywhere on the web site. Benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 14:28:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106404 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 14:27:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939301727:20:24918:29; Thu, 07 Oct 99 13:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025166; 7 Oct 99 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18370 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:25:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18365 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:25:42 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZBfG-0001ZD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:18:13 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Version 2.54 References: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk>, Levens Software writes >Forgive me for being a bit stupid, Unforgivable, I'm afraid ;-) >but where is the upgrade to 2.54. I couldn't find it either, but fortunately I'd kept this: ******************************* OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip This is the first of series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. The main improvement is support for large pictures. There are a handful of bug fixes and improved JPEG rendering (you can now image process or rotate JPEG's). I'd say that this version is a step in the right direction, however it may well be that 2.54 is soon replaced either due to bug fixes or more progress. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Interestingly enough, it is almost 1 year to the day since the last proper upgrade. Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... David Pilling ****************************** -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 19:07:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106439 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 19:07:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939319551:10:03491:19; Thu, 07 Oct 99 18:05:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003499; 7 Oct 99 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19423 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19418 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:57 +0100 Received: from (fayqxodp) [62.188.134.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZHZL-0004PJ-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:07 +0100 Message-ID: <008601bf10eb$72180900$2e85bc3e@fayqxodp> From: "Colin Beswick" To: References: Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB19423 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 07:35 Subject: Upgrades via a PC? Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro. >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through necessity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC an= d one of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying monthly, on= ly to find access more and more web sites denied me....but that's another story) So, I have two computers, linked via switching gear. I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will continu= e to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with the user group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Is the= re an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge and return postag= e?) Is there a =90freeserve' for the Acorn market? Is it possible to downloa= d a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I've tried this and I can't get it to work, but t= hen I'm no techie) Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. Kindest regards, Paul No problems. I download all Ovation Pro upgrades via a PC. Transfer to my Acorn and us= e Spark to decompress the zipped file. Never had any problems so far. Colin Beswick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 19:08:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106441 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 19:08:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939311089:20:28765:25; Thu, 07 Oct 99 15:44:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028478; 7 Oct 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18755 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:42:45 +0100 Received: from hercules.telenet-ops.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18750 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:42:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 29978 invoked from network); 7 Oct 1999 13:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riscpc.be) ([195.130.146.208]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 1999 13:41:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:41:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <494d4914b5jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> References: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > Forgive me for being a bit stupid, but where is the upgrade to > 2.54. I can't find it anywhere on the web site. http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip Jan -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 19:08:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106446 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 19:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939317860:20:03288:18; Thu, 07 Oct 99 17:37:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128225; 7 Oct 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19326 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:22:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19321 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:22:06 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.163) [62.188.134.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZHEC-0003x5-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:21:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:07:20 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Just a thought, but I don't think this has been mentioned. What does one do now to put 2.54 on a new disc? One used to have to reinstall an old version (2.46, ISTR) and then upgrade that. Is 2.54 now transferable? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106494 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939348969:20:17557:23; Fri, 08 Oct 99 02:16:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017232; 8 Oct 99 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20355 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:58:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20350 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:58:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZPHS-0007fJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:57:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 99 01:56:18 GMT Message-Id: <106485@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Version 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just a thought, but I don't think this has been mentioned. What does one do now >to put 2.54 on a new disc? One used to have to reinstall an old version >(2.46, ISTR) and then upgrade that. Is 2.54 now transferable? No. You're in the same boat you always were. To put 2.54 on a new disc you put 2.46 on a new disc and then apply the patches. However as I said the copy protection only applies to !RunImage so the quick way is to copy 2.54, then just patch the !RunImage in an installed copy of 2.46. Finally copy the !RunImage into the 2.54. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106497 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939364545:20:16358:22; Fri, 08 Oct 99 06:35:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108205; 8 Oct 99 6:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20799 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:19:26 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20794 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:19:25 +0100 Received: from tnt-6-53 (tnt-6-53.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.53]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 22DAF7B0BF for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:18:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:53:04 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet Message-ID: <000da24d49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Dr. D. M. Lewis" wrote: > On Wed 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >>stationery crash > > >crashes for me... I will investigate. > > > > I've fixed this now. It is nothing to do with RISC OS 4, > > and nothing much to do with the stationery applet. > > > A branch-line, but this is a frequent problem I have. > Is there an easy way of finding if an Applet is new. > > David's site has the version number, but the only way I know of > finding the number of my existing version is to wade through layers > on the disc. > > Am I being dim, and there is an easier way? > > Don > > > Hi Don The Applet manager gives version numbers of all applets once set up. I find it very useful Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106501 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939376711:20:04617:18; Fri, 08 Oct 99 09:58:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004612; 8 Oct 99 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21209 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:32:51 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21204 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:32:46 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06792 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06781 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:31:42 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Version 2.54 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:31:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think this is beginning to become unacceptably complex. I read from a previous mailing that the new baseline was 2.52 (which I think it is for future upgrades) but I also hope to get a new machine. I did keep older copies but equally could have forgotten and wiped any 2.46 from the hard drive, which will apparently be needed when eventually I get a new box. At a minimum, perhaps future upgrade packages can capture the instructions not only for upgrading on the same machine, but also when you change machine? Also, remarks about 2.52 being the basis need qualifying. PS I had no excitement whatever with the upgrade. It just worked ;-) thanks for a great program (!trace is quite fun too!) Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 08 October 1999 02:56 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Version 2.54 > > > >Just a thought, but I don't think this has been mentioned. What does one > do now > >to put 2.54 on a new disc? One used to have to reinstall an old version > >(2.46, ISTR) and then upgrade that. Is 2.54 now transferable? > > No. You're in the same boat you always were. To put 2.54 on a new disc > you put 2.46 on a new disc and then apply the patches. > > However as I said the copy protection only applies to !RunImage so the > quick way is to copy 2.54, then just patch the !RunImage in an installed > copy of 2.46. Finally copy the !RunImage into the 2.54. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106506 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939384050:20:13750:24; Fri, 08 Oct 99 12:00:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013734; 8 Oct 99 12:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21517 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:55 +0100 Received: from leo.singnet.com.sg (leo.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.127]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21512 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:51 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1759.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.69]) by leo.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26930 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:22:45 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:00:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <008601bf10eb$72180900$2e85bc3e@fayqxodp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Oct, Colin Beswick wrote: > > >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through - - - > group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Don't think there'll be a problem - been doing similar things with that awful IBM jobby at work. Just save to floppy, schlepp the thing home and bung it in the decent computer. I think . . . -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106509 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939388451:20:20363:20; Fri, 08 Oct 99 13:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019988; 8 Oct 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21891 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:04 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21886 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:02 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-2-92.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.92]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FB227B09B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:50:00 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:48:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <494dbd2403rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com>, "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" wrote: > I read from a previous mailing that the new baseline was 2.52 (which I > think it is for future upgrades) but I also hope to get a new machine. > I did keep older copies but equally could have forgotten and wiped any > 2.46 from the hard drive, which will apparently be needed when > eventually I get a new box. AIUI the base line for /installing/ is whichever disc version you were issued with. 2.46 for the majority, but 2.52 for those who bought from Beebug more recently. Whichever version you have, you have to start off with the !Runimage from your original disc version and upgrade from that. I think the base line for /upgrading/ using David's downloads is 2.52+. So, if you change your drive details by reformatting to F+ or whatever, you need to reinstall from your original disc. But if you want to upgrade your version from a web download, you do it from 2.52 in steps up to the most recent. If that isn't correct, I'm sure David will correct me. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106517 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939383613:10:19128:19; Fri, 08 Oct 99 11:53:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018409; 8 Oct 99 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21533 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:26:46 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21528 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:26:42 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19087 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA19074 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:25:38 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30DA@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Upgrades via a PC? Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:25:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAA21529 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB21533 Status: R Upgrades etc. can be readily downloaded from Netscape (or IE I suppose) = via the web. Especially if they are below 1.44M. One trick (Netscape) is to shift-click on a link. This stops, for example with a .zip file, the PC trying to unpack the Zip itself. Instead one get= s to save the un-processed file to a disk, which then goes off to the Acorn. If the download page gives file size, check the actual size of your captu= red file in case it got truncated. Back in Acornland, SparkPlug is more lucky than ArcFS to unpack some 'Archive' files (I hesitate to comment further on same in such distuinguished company!) Christopher I Howe Bath UK > ---------- > From: paulh@argonet.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 06 October 1999 07:35 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Upgrades via a PC? >=20 > Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro.=20 >=20 > From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through > necessity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC = and > one of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying monthly, > only to find access more and more web sites denied me....but that's > another story) So, I have two computers, linked via switching gear. >=20 > I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will conti= nue > to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with the use= r > group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Is > there an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge and retur= n > postage?) Is there a =90freeserve' for the Acorn market? Is it possibl= e to > download a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I've tried this and I can't get it t= o > work, but then I'm no techie) >=20 > Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. >=20 > Kindest regards, >=20 > Paul >=20 >=20 > Paul Hedge > Torquay > --=20 > __ __ __ __ __ ___ > _____________________________________________ > |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / > | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC > machines > ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 18:00:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106519 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:59:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939387316:10:06506:18; Fri, 08 Oct 99 12:55:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006339; 8 Oct 99 12:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21776 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:22:31 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21771 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:22:30 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA28450 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:21:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:21:31 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Paragraphs To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This seems to be a new problem since upgrading to 2.54. Several stationery files use styles with 'space after' values to give a paragraph separations of less than two line spaces. This always used to work except I had to remember to highlight the words of a heading rather than the whole line to avoid the next paragraph adopting the heading style as well. Now I find that I can't get space after values to work unless I press return twice. This appears also to mean there is no difference between Return and Shift Return. Am I right or have I missed something? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 18:00:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106520 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 18:00:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939388368:10:20591:20; Fri, 08 Oct 99 13:12:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102633; 8 Oct 99 13:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21182 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:24:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21177 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:24:51 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.241) [193.149.72.241] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZWFk-00033O-00; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:23:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:23:04 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Collin, Thanks for the info! Paul -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 19:20:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106535 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 19:20:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939404315:20:08818:24; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:38:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008531; 8 Oct 99 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22761 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:03:31 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22756 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:03:29 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA23716 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:02:27 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 17:58:27 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30DA@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB22761 I have free internet access at work via a PC. So I transfer files a lot. Only Problem is with the odd zip file that is between 1.44 M & 1.6 M Any ideas? Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris) wrote: >=20 > Upgrades etc. can be readily downloaded from Netscape (or IE I suppose)= via > the web. Especially if they are below 1.44M. >=20 > One trick (Netscape) is to shift-click on a link. This stops, for examp= le > with a .zip file, the PC trying to unpack the Zip itself. Instead one g= ets > to save the un-processed file to a disk, which then goes off to the Aco= rn. >=20 > If the download page gives file size, check the actual size of your cap= tured > file in case it got truncated. >=20 > Back in Acornland, SparkPlug is more lucky than ArcFS to unpack some > 'Archive' files (I hesitate to comment further on same in such > distuinguished company!) >=20 > Christopher I Howe > Bath UK >=20 > > ---------- > > From: paulh@argonet.co.uk[SMTP > > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Sent: 06 October 1999 07:35 > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Subject: Upgrades via a PC? > > > > Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro. > > > > From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through > > necessity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a P= C and > > one of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying monthly= , > > only to find access more and more web sites denied me....but that's > > another story) So, I have two computers, linked via switching gear. > > > > I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will con= tinue > > to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with the u= ser > > group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Is > > there an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge and ret= urn > > postage?) Is there a =90freeserve' for the Acorn market? Is it possi= ble to > > download a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I've tried this and I can't get it= to > > work, but then I'm no techie) > > > > Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Paul > > > > > > Paul Hedge > > Torquay > > -- > > __ __ __ __ __ ___ > > _____________________________________________ > > |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / > > | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC > > machines > > ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --=20 John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page =3D http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=3D07626-235878, Work=3D01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 19:20:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106537 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 19:20:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939405743:10:24933:20; Fri, 08 Oct 99 18:02:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024460; 8 Oct 99 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22865 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:33:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22860 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:33:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZdsH-0007Lt-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:32:09 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 99 18:13:18 GMT Message-Id: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Version 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think this is beginning to become unacceptably complex. Fair comment. And the irony is that its all being done in the users best interests... If you don't like the looks of things, ignore them and in a few months time there will a clean shrink wrapped solution. Whats worse is that there is an opinion that 2.54 was a step in the wrong direction, too sophisticated, aimed at the high end DTP users. In 2.54 you saw only one new feature there will be others and they will appeal to a wider range of users. The Beebug copy protection system which is responsible for most of the messing about is on the way out. But I can't do anything much better than the current situation without investing a lot of effort. What I might do is offer 2 patches one from 2.46 to the latest and one from 2.52. Its useful to me to have a large number of people test new features, and you get the chance to comment on them and have them changed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 19:20:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106539 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 19:20:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939404960:20:17187:24; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:49:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128851; 8 Oct 99 17:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA22879 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:33:46 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22874 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:33:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Zdsn-0007Lt-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:32:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 99 18:21:49 GMT Message-Id: <106532@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Upgrades via a PC? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One trick (Netscape) is to shift-click on a link. This stops, for example >with a .zip file, the PC trying to unpack the Zip itself. Instead one gets >to save the un-processed file to a disk, which then goes off to the Acorn. Works with IE too. Although if the extension is 'zip' IE will save it to disc by default. I think the golden rule is to do as little as possible on the PC. Get the Zip back to the Acorn and unpack it there. For email the trick with Outlook is to save the whole message to disc and do the uudecoding back on the Acorn with SparkFS etc. (Outlook all too often offers up a zero length file attachment). >Back in Acornland, SparkPlug is more lucky than ArcFS to unpack some >'Archive' files (I hesitate to comment further on same in such >distuinguished company!) ArcFS will only handle ArcFS and Spark files. SparkPlug will handle a wide range of files zip, Spark, etc. but it *won't* handle ArcFS files. ISTR the first few bytes in an ArcFS file are 'Archive'. SparkFS will handle ArcFS files as well as lots of others. In any case I think Zip should now be the standard it supports long filenames (Spark and ArcFS don't) and of course those poor people struggling out there with PC's and Mac's can read them. Unless anyone knows if Mark Smith is going to extend ArcFS to handle longer filenames, which would cause a lot of fun. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 21:41:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106549 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 21:40:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939410352:10:21440:19; Fri, 08 Oct 99 19:19:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116868; 8 Oct 99 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23218 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:50:25 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23213 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:50:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Zf4v-000Kx7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:49:17 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 99 19:24:30 GMT Message-Id: <106543@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraphs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This seems to be a new problem since upgrading to 2.54. Several stationery >files use styles with 'space after' values to give a paragraph separations of >Now I find that I can't get space after values to work unless I press return >twice. This appears also to mean there is no difference between Return and >Shift Return. Am I right or have I missed something? It seems to work OK for me. I made few or no changes to text handling in 2.54 so I doubt any new problems would appear. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 23:13:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106558 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 23:13:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939416552:10:01437:17; Fri, 08 Oct 99 21:02:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112681; 8 Oct 99 21:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23510 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:47:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA23505 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:47:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.84.243) [193.149.84.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZguB-00013p-00; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:46:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:25:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <494df1f84flionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Fair comment. And the irony is that its all being done in the > users best interests... I am sure that it is. :-) > If you don't like the looks of things, ignore them and in a few > months time there will a clean shrink wrapped solution. Now that sounds like a good idea. > What I might do is offer 2 patches one from 2.46 to the latest and one > from 2.52. Well I am stuck at 2.51 which was arrived at from 2.46 with Colour Supplement. I recently downloaded the 2.52 and 2.54 upgrades but then became a bit confused about whether this route would work on my OP installation. I recall seeing comments about this in the past but do not remember the details. If it should work I am quite willing to go ahead and upgrade and be another guinea pig. Now I have got a couple of weddings and their literature out of the way I won't mind so much if things go pear shaped. > Its useful to me to have a large number of people test new features, > and you get the chance to comment on them and have them changed. OK by me. If it don't work I'll restore a backup and wait for the 'shrink wrapped'. :-) Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 02:10:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106565 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939421839:10:28155:17; Fri, 08 Oct 99 22:30:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108470; 8 Oct 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23742 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:02:15 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23737 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:02:13 +0100 Received: from (62.188.132.192) [62.188.132.192] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Zi4Y-0002KO-00; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:01:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:59:41 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: OvnPro 2.54 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello all, I can't remember ever having written to the list before, but just had to say how impressed I am with the referenced image handling in the new version. The 'empty' version of the magazine I edit i.e. no editorial content but with adverts and logos etc. was five and a half megabytes. It is now just over a third of a megabyte! The only penalty seems to be a slight pause at each image as the document is scrolled up or down - a small price to pay! Thanks to David. John Clegg (editor of 'Ribble Ripples' - The magazine of the Ribble Link Trust) -- _____ ______ ____________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 02:10:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106566 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:10:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939421149:20:19089:18; Fri, 08 Oct 99 22:19:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018961; 8 Oct 99 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23756 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:04:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23751 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:04:35 +0100 Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.143]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Zi6o-0002gm-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:03:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:35:48 +0100 Subject: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon Message-ID: <494ded6003frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, Having just upgraded to 2.54, I am disappointed to find that the bug I reported in my submissions of 25 April 98 and 02 June 98 is still there. Open a window/file. Click on the Toggle Size icon to 'maximise' the window. Click again on the same icon and the window returns to its original size. No problem. Maximise again and do one of three things: 1. Simply click on the title bar 2. Page Up or Page Down 3. Click the vertical scroll bar up or down and the Toggle Size icon no longer works!!! OK, you can make it work again by reducing the size of the window, but with normal processing it is not long before you do one of those three things which stop the Toggle Size icon from working. Am I the only one who is disturbed by this behaviour?? Kind regards. Frank. ps. The improved upgrading procedure is much appreciated. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.12c on RPC, SA, OS 4.02, Window Manager 4.15, Ovation Pro 2.52. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 02:10:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106567 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:10:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939424387:20:19124:17; Fri, 08 Oct 99 23:13:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104909; 8 Oct 99 23:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23981 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:58:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23976 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 23:58:37 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Zix9-000Jsj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:57:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:10:34 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: RE: Version 2.54 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >I think this is beginning to become unacceptably complex. > > Fair comment. And the irony is that its all being done in the > users best interests... > > If you don't like the looks of things, ignore them and in a few > months time there will a clean shrink wrapped solution. > > Whats worse is that there is an opinion that 2.54 was a step in the > wrong direction, too sophisticated, aimed at the high end DTP users. hurrah. We need to our needs met sometimes! :) > In 2.54 you saw only one new feature there will be others and they will > appeal to a wider range of users. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:23:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106583 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:22:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939437417:10:22400:19; Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:50:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105482; 9 Oct 99 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24716 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:22:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24711 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:22:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Zm87-0001Nj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:21:03 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:27:16 GMT Message-Id: <106580@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Having just upgraded to 2.54, I am disappointed to find that the bug I >reported in my submissions of 25 April 98 and 02 June 98 is still >there. You're right that is not desirable behaviour, and yes it has been pointed out before. Is it a bug? I suppose so but its largely because we're trying to make the window do something RISC OS isn't designed for. Notice the toggle icon never changes style. ArtWorks does the same trick. I assume I looked at fixing it and decided it was not easy. So it depends on how many people want it fixing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:23:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106586 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:23:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939454586:10:22998:19; Sat, 09 Oct 99 07:36:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022734; 9 Oct 99 7:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25288 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:21:08 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA25283 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:21:01 +0100 Received: from modem-27.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.155] helo=loopback) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ZqnH-0006zX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 08:19:51 +0100 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 07:54:52 +0100 From: Malcolm Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > Hello all, > > I can't remember ever having written to the list before, but just had to say > how impressed I am with the referenced image handling in the new version. > > The 'empty' version of the magazine I edit i.e. no editorial content but with > adverts and logos etc. was five and a half megabytes. > > It is now just over a third of a megabyte! > > The only penalty seems to be a slight pause at each image as the document is > scrolled up or down - a small price to pay! > > Thanks to David. > > John Clegg > (editor of 'Ribble Ripples' - The magazine of the Ribble Link Trust) I agree - for large documents. However, when working on a relatively small document with a large (in terms of memory) image, if you have to move about in the page frequently, the "slight pause" is something which becomes annoying. This is true for me; it certainly is noticeable after having been used to the lack of redraw pauses in previous versions. As long as the document is withing the capacity of my RAM and HD storage, it seems to be an unnecessary improvement. I realise that my needs are different to those of the "high end" users whose needs are very important, and I'll probably want to use it for some of my work, so I welcome the feature in principle! Is there a !Choices option to turn this effect off? Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Sat Oct 9 14:23:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106587 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:23:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939456183:10:05539:34; Sat, 09 Oct 99 08:03:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005556; 9 Oct 99 8:03 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.136) [193.149.71.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZrT0-0007M8-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:02:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: David Pilling Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:11:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <494df09b1asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain In article <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > The Beebug copy protection system which is responsible for most of > the messing about is on the way out. But I can't do anything much > better than the current situation without investing a lot of effort. Hmmm, Admittedly a cheaper product, but Jonathan Duddington is using DES encrypted sparkives and a password issued to registered users. If you do something similar (and possibly omit a critical component from the Sparkive so non registered users still don't have a working copy) updates could be handed to Acorn mags etc for distribution, as well as web. Changing the password at intervals would separate "paid up" owners allowing you extra income from future developments. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:23:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106588 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:23:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939457863:10:21797:17; Sat, 09 Oct 99 08:31:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119541; 9 Oct 99 8:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25397 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:04:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25392 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:04:07 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.136) [193.149.71.136] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZrSx-0007M8-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 20:59:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Message-ID: <494def89d0steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30DA@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > Only Problem is with the odd zip file that is > between 1.44 M & 1.6 M Any ideas? WinZip? Split the existing zip file into more than one to store on the floppies... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:23:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106592 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:23:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939463157:10:07228:17; Sat, 09 Oct 99 09:59:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102798; 9 Oct 99 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25773 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:28:02 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25768 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:28:00 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20222 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:26:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24130 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:26:48 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: OvnPro 2.54 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:25:59 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf1238$4c124ec0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Malcolm Churchill wrote about referenced images: > Is there a !Choices option to turn this effect off? Yes. The file "Large" in the NewDoc directory (in the upgrade zipfile) tells you all about it, with pictures too! Much easier than trying to explain it in a textfile on a mailing list ;-) It's in http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip if you've binned it already. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:23:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106596 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:23:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939436610:20:13409:17; Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:36:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013373; 9 Oct 99 2:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA24709 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:22:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA24704 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 03:22:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Zm85-0001Nj-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 02:21:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 02:22:32 GMT Message-Id: <106578@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Version 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well I am stuck at 2.51 which was arrived at from 2.46 with Colour >I recently downloaded the 2.52 and 2.54 upgrades but then became a bit >confused about whether this route would work on my OP installation. Yes, patch 2.51 to 2.52 and then 2.52 to 2.54. >another guinea pig. Now I have got a couple of weddings and their >literature out of the way I won't mind so much if things go pear shaped. Always work on a copy, then you have nothing to lose. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:24:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106600 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:24:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939460832:20:28735:23; Sat, 09 Oct 99 09:20:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121567; 9 Oct 99 9:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25614 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:52:45 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25607 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:52:42 +0100 Received: from tenu.tref.nl ([195.121.192.48]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAB3CDA for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:51:00 +0200 Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:34:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk Subject: Re: OvnPro 2.54 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Tekst & Uitleg The Netherlands Schaijk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 08 Oct, John Clegg wrote: > Hello all, > > I can't remember ever having written to the list before, but just had to say > how impressed I am with the referenced image handling in the new version. > > The 'empty' version of the magazine I edit i.e. no editorial content but with > adverts and logos etc. was five and a half megabytes. > The same reaction here. We produce full colour magazines with 'big' pictures over 50 Mb with Ovation. So we are very happy with the proxy- and reference possibilities. A question to David. More then a year a go we mentioned something about white gaps in photopicture frames (most times at the bottom). This problem doesn't seem to be solved, is it? Greetings Arnold -- Tekst & Uitleg Schaijk / Tel. 0486 463112 / Fax 0486 463537 Vanaf 19 oktober: Runstraat 27b Schaijk. Zie ook: http://www.uitleg.nl Dienblad op: http://www.dienblad.nl / Landerd op: http://www.landerd.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 14:24:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106601 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:24:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939461957:20:07743:17; Sat, 09 Oct 99 09:39:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112515; 9 Oct 99 9:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA25707 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:07:51 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA25702 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:07:49 +0100 Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ZsSa-000OZM-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:06:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:31:55 +0100 Subject: double double trouble Message-ID: <494dd18dbbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? I /never/seem to see it on proof reading; and would hate to have to migrate to M$Word to get over the problem! -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 16:32:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106636 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 16:32:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939479973:10:18765:17; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:39:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018592; 9 Oct 99 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26462 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26457 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZxOZ-000BER-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:22:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 15:08:57 GMT Message-Id: <106621@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnPro 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I agree - for large documents. However, when working on a relatively >small document with a large (in terms of memory) image, if you have to >move about in the page frequently, the "slight pause" is something which >becomes annoying. If you increase the size of the picture cache (program->picture choices) then this will be come less frequent. >Is there a !Choices option to turn this effect off? More to the point unless you've enabled the automatic creation of referenced pictures (picture choices again) the program will function exactly as before. If you have a document with some referenced pictures in it, just select one, open the reference window and use 'embed all' to turn it back into an normal document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 16:32:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106637 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 16:32:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939480081:10:20341:19; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:41:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103141; 9 Oct 99 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26477 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26470 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZxOe-000BER-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:22:52 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 15:20:05 GMT Message-Id: <106625@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvnPro 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >A question to David. More then a year a go we mentioned something about >white gaps in photopicture frames (most times at the bottom). This problem >doesn't seem to be solved, is it? No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 16:32:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106638 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 16:32:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939480714:10:26500:21; Sat, 09 Oct 99 14:51:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026432; 9 Oct 99 14:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA26473 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:06 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26465 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:24:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZxOa-000BER-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 14:22:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 15:12:11 GMT Message-Id: <106623@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hmmm, Admittedly a cheaper product, but Jonathan Duddington is using DES >encrypted sparkives and a password issued to registered users. Well fair enough, but I don't have a database of all OPro users. The partial database I do have doesn't have email addresses in it. The key is to work all this out before you start selling the program and OPro dates back to before the internet age. As to passwords... I wonder if he's fed up yet with explaining how to enter passwords in Spark etc. 8-) (although (hint?) it can all be done with script files) What I've never understood is why as soon as a new password comes out it is not just posted on the 'net. I do have a new registration scheme for OPro. Its currently only in use on the German version. The only problem is deploying it and I've chosen to wait until there is a significant upgrade. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 9 17:27:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106647 for opro ; Sat, 09 Oct 99 17:27:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939485164:10:10311:22; Sat, 09 Oct 99 16:06:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118146; 9 Oct 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26897 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:38:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26892 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 16:38:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZyYC-0000aU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:36:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 99 16:33:11 GMT Message-Id: <106639@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >repeating the same word twice twice It could be done as an applet, but I think it would be more efficient to do it as part of the spell checker. So I'll do that in the next version... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:28:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106653 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:28:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939492016:20:07109:28; Sat, 09 Oct 99 18:00:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007179; 9 Oct 99 18:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27459 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:46:10 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27454 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:46:08 +0100 Received: from (62.188.138.102) [62.188.138.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11a0Y6-00079t-00; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:44:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:41:59 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Euros, tic(k)s and other irritations Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 6 Oct 1999 (19:41:06), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >I'd think the best suggestion would be to use a tick from a symbol font >like Dingbats aka Selwyn. >David Pilling Thanks David - perfect! Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:28:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106654 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:28:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939494873:20:29860:18; Sat, 09 Oct 99 18:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029840; 9 Oct 99 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27623 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:33:03 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27618 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 19:33:02 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s26-58-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.58]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:54:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: RE: Version 2.54 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > Whats worse is that there is an opinion that 2.54 was a step in the > wrong direction, too sophisticated, aimed at the high end DTP users. > In 2.54 you saw only one new feature there will be others and they will > appeal to a wider range of users. > What? Absolutely not IMHO. This is the best upgrade to OvPro since the Colour Supplement. Indeed for me it is more useful. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:28:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106655 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:28:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939504349:20:10201:21; Sat, 09 Oct 99 21:25:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010190; 9 Oct 99 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA28040 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:11:19 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA28035 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:11:17 +0100 Received: from alan.harvey.ukonline.co.uk (tnt-1-61.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.61]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 507BFDAF1C for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 22:09:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:46:16 +0100 (BST) From: alan harvey Subject: Ribble Ripples To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Oct, John Clegg wrote: > Hello all, > > I can't remember ever having written to the list before, but just had to say > how impressed I am with the referenced image handling in the new version. > > The 'empty' version of the magazine I edit i.e. no editorial content but with > adverts and logos etc. was five and a half megabytes. > > It is now just over a third of a megabyte! > > The only penalty seems to be a slight pause at each image as the document is > scrolled up or down - a small price to pay! > > Thanks to David. > > John Clegg > (editor of 'Ribble Ripples' - The magazine of the Ribble Link Trust) Just a thought - On the DP2 group (that's DataPower, not DP) someone has set up a web page where example databases are submitted by users and available for download encouraging others to study and adapt them for their own use and perhaps improve upon them. If something similar was set up for Opro, it could help other users to improve their DTP skills. -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:28:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106658 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:28:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939541682:20:17294:18; Sun, 10 Oct 99 07:48:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017226; 10 Oct 99 7:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28969 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:29:57 +0100 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA28964 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:29:54 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS6-p46.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.163.174]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA02732 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:28:28 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:27:25 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > > John Schild wrote: > > > Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to > > spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? > > > > I /never/seem to see it on proof reading; and would hate to have to > > migrate to M$Word to get over the problem! > > > > The problem that that approach runs into is - repeated words are > sometimes legal. But I suppose a warning might be useful ... Quite. I use other WP s/w on a PC (for Hebrew work) and it flags repeated words. I find it very annoying when it flags words which should be repeated, although it is useful when I have occasionally made a mistake. On balance, it is a bit of a nuisance, although a warning of some sort of warning might be a compromise. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106659 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939545146:20:13192:18; Sun, 10 Oct 99 08:45:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122149; 10 Oct 99 8:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29086 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:16:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29081 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:16:14 +0100 Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aE82-0002kN-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 08:14:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:13:43 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: ImageExtnd not there To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello Having just done the RISC OS4 upgrade and then the disc reformat I have also done the OvPro 2.54 upgrade. I don't know whether any of these actions were responsible but the Ovation Art Works applet is giving "File name '.RmStore.ImageExtnd' not recognised" error on starting OvPro. I only have the Art Works Viewer but this is in the "Look at" list in the new boot structure. If I run the Viewer and then quit it OvPro loads OK. Disabling the applet is a solution but you can be sure that sometime I will find an urgent need. -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk Fax: 0870 0548876 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106660 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939557663:20:16517:17; Sun, 10 Oct 99 12:14:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016399; 10 Oct 99 12:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29644 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:00:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29639 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:00:19 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aHcr-000Dcb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:58:53 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:57:08 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <494ded6003frank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Oct, Frank Watkinson wrote: > David, > > Having just upgraded to 2.54, I am disappointed to find that the bug I > reported in my submissions of 25 April 98 and 02 June 98 is still > there. > > Open a window/file. Click on the Toggle Size icon to 'maximise' the > window. Click again on the same icon and the window returns to its > original size. No problem. Maximise again and do one of three things: > 1. Simply click on the title bar > 2. Page Up or Page Down > 3. Click the vertical scroll bar up or down > and the Toggle Size icon no longer works!!! > > OK, you can make it work again by reducing the size of the window, but > with normal processing it is not long before you do one of those > three things which stop the Toggle Size icon from working. > > Am I the only one who is disturbed by this behaviour?? I tried to reproduce this behaviour, and I cannot. All works well. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106661 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939558434:20:22147:17; Sun, 10 Oct 99 12:27:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126608; 10 Oct 99 12:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29637 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:00:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29632 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:00:16 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aHcm-000Dcb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:58:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:51:53 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106580@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >Having just upgraded to 2.54, I am disappointed to find that the bug I > >reported in my submissions of 25 April 98 and 02 June 98 is still > >there. > > You're right that is not desirable behaviour, and yes it has been > pointed out before. Is it a bug? I suppose so but its largely because > we're trying to make the window do something RISC OS isn't designed for. > Notice the toggle icon never changes style. ArtWorks does the same trick. > > I assume I looked at fixing it and decided it was not easy. So it depends > on how many people want it fixing. > I don't understand this. The toggle size icon changes on my document windows. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106665 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939567057:20:00610:20; Sun, 10 Oct 99 14:50:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111159; 10 Oct 99 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30407 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:36:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30402 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:36:01 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aK3V-000DwR-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 14:34:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:05:05 GMT From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Palette applets Message-ID: <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <199910090721.IAA25297@omega.barnet.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910090721.IAA25297@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/3.71) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been using the style palette, page palette and colour palette applets and find them extremely useful. However, there are a couple of points I'd appreciate some help with. First, is there any way of preventing them opening palettes whenever a doc is opened? Every time OP starts up, they reset to their default behaviour of opening the palette window. I'd like the choice - I don't want all of the palettes all of the time. Which brings me to my second. Could anyone provide me with code for button macros to open and close each of these palettes? I've been playing around but not come up with anything that works for all three. TiA, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106667 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939572994:20:18808:21; Sun, 10 Oct 99 16:29:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121822; 10 Oct 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30663 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:12:45 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30658 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:12:44 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-6-55.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.55]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DFB12DB0E2 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:11:15 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:59:36 +0100 Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494ecb47f5rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> References: <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38003FDD.849A22B9@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > David Graddol wrote: > > > > John Schild wrote: > > > > > Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to > > > spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? > > > > > > I /never/seem to see it on proof reading; and would hate to have to > > > migrate to M$Word to get over the problem! > > > > > > > The problem that that approach runs into is - repeated words are > > sometimes legal. But I suppose a warning might be useful ... > Quite. I use other WP s/w on a PC (for Hebrew work) and it flags > repeated words. I find it very annoying when it flags words which > should be repeated, although it is useful when I have occasionally > made a mistake. On balance, it is a bit of a nuisance, although > a warning of some sort of warning might be a compromise. It's very, very true that that is a good reason for not trapping double words. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106669 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939573176:20:20455:17; Sun, 10 Oct 99 16:32:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020392; 10 Oct 99 16:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30645 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:05:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30640 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:05:45 +0100 Received: from (userl785) [193.149.76.90] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11aLSK-0006nF-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:04:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:02:33 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Subject: Text flow around pictures X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello All, It is some time since I tried getting text to flow round a Draw-file picture. My memory is that this worked, but now I get a warning box saying "Draw render failed: code 2 at -1". It does not appear to be sensitive to the contents of the draw file. This is with OP 2.54 and RiscOS 4. Does anyone else get this, or is it my set up? Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106670 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939576799:20:24181:18; Sun, 10 Oct 99 17:33:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122127; 10 Oct 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30892 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:13:51 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30887 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:13:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 14427 invoked from network); 10 Oct 1999 17:12:21 -0000 Received: from user1253.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.253) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 1999 17:12:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:17:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon Message-ID: <494ee2da75rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <106580@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > On Sat 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Having just upgraded to 2.54, I am disappointed to find that the bug > > >I reported in my submissions of 25 April 98 and 02 June 98 is still > > >there. > > > > You're right that is not desirable behaviour, and yes it has been > > pointed out before. Is it a bug? I suppose so but its largely because > > we're trying to make the window do something RISC OS isn't designed > > for. Notice the toggle icon never changes style. ArtWorks does the > > same trick. > > > > I assume I looked at fixing it and decided it was not easy. So it > > depends on how many people want it fixing. > > > I don't understand this. The toggle size icon changes on my document > windows. Only if you don't have the info bar attached. With the info bar attached, the document window can't open completely, and therefore the icon doesn't change to max as the window isn't maximised. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:29:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106673 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:29:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939580720:20:00145:18; Sun, 10 Oct 99 18:38:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000090; 10 Oct 99 18:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA31238 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:23:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA31233 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:23:56 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aNc2-0009CQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:22:27 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:52:01 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [snip] > > > > Am I the only one who is disturbed by this behaviour?? > > I tried to reproduce this behaviour, and I cannot. All works well. > The problem exists for me too! -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106676 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939586820:20:28603:23; Sun, 10 Oct 99 20:20:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028518; 10 Oct 99 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31709 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:02:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA31704 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:02:01 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.148) [62.188.134.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11aP8w-0003a9-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:00:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:58:05 +0100 Subject: Search and replace Message-ID: <494ef7163btomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I recently wanted to find all occurrences of numbers followed by a full stop (1. 2. 3. etc as in a numbered list) and replace the full stop with a parenthesis. I tried using a wildcard search with replace same, but I don't know how to include a backspace/delete to take out the stop before replacing it with a parenthesis. Can this be done? TIA Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@schild.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106677 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939587849:20:08183:0; Sun, 10 Oct 99 20:37:29 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111453; 10 Oct 99 20:37 GMT Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aPiG-000NY9-0K for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:37:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:39:45 +0100 Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494efae6a4john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <106639@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <106639@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain In article <106639@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 > >repeating the same word twice twice > It could be done as an applet, but I think it > would be more efficient to do it as part of > the spell checker. So I'll do that in the > next version... > David Pilling Many many (and I /did/intend that repeat) thanks, David. I look forward to the day . . . I have some sympathy for the respondents who don't want deliberate repeats trapped. But I'd rather be warned and ignore the intended repeats than not be warned at all. J. -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106678 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939588126:20:11136:22; Sun, 10 Oct 99 20:42:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010793; 10 Oct 99 20:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA31829 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:27:38 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA31824 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:27:37 +0100 Received: from modem-118.name13.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.166.118] helo=loopback) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aPXi-0005UZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:26:07 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:42:03 +0100 From: Malcolm Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ImageExtnd not there Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > Hello > > Having just done the RISC OS4 upgrade and then the disc reformat I have also > done the OvPro 2.54 upgrade. I don't know whether any of these actions were > responsible but the Ovation Art Works applet is giving > "File name '.RmStore.ImageExtnd' not recognised" error on starting OvPro. > > I only have the Art Works Viewer but this is in the "Look at" list in the new > boot structure. If I run the Viewer and then quit it OvPro loads OK. > > Disabling the applet is a solution but you can be sure that sometime I will > find an urgent need. > Malcolm Did you remember to set "Force" before you copied the !OvPro directory onto the old !OvPro? Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106681 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939592557:20:21250:22; Sun, 10 Oct 99 21:55:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129525; 10 Oct 99 21:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32110 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:39:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32105 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:39:33 +0100 Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aQfJ-00053b-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:38:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 22:36:07 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: ImageExtnd not there To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Oct, Fred Bambrough wrote: > Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > > > > Having just done the RISC OS4 upgrade and then the disc reformat I have also > > done the OvPro 2.54 upgrade. I don't know whether any of these actions were > > responsible but the Ovation Art Works applet is giving > > "File name '.RmStore.ImageExtnd' not recognised" error on starting OvPro. > > > > I only have the Art Works Viewer but this is in the "Look at" list in the new > > boot structure. If I run the Viewer and then quit it OvPro loads OK. > > > > Disabling the applet is a solution but you can be sure that sometime I will > > find an urgent need. > > Drag !AWViewer.RMStore.ImageExtnd to the 'Run at startup' option in > Configure. Or install a copy of CCShared to your resources dir, if you > have it. Or pop a copy of ImageExtend into !System.Modules. There's > probably other options. > Thanks. I've put the whole of the RmStore contents into 'Run at startup' as the Dither was also needed - so I expect the others would have been too. Now works fine. Another one solved with a little help from ... ... -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk Fax: 0870 0548876 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106685 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939630878:20:16893:73; Mon, 11 Oct 99 08:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017663; 11 Oct 99 8:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00908 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:16:03 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00903 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:16:01 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01931 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:15:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <38019C15.CB200B9E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:13:09 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30DA@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> <494def Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can do that, But how do I put them together again on the A3010? Steven Pampling wrote: > > Only Problem is with the odd zip file that is > > between 1.44 M & 1.6 M Any ideas? > > WinZip? > Split the existing zip file into more than one to store on the floppies... > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=07626-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106689 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939637106:20:29340:38; Mon, 11 Oct 99 10:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129382; 11 Oct 99 10:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01455 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:55:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01450 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 10:55:20 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11acAo-000Bbt-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:55:18 +0000 Message-ID: <67K32HArpZA4Ewsm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:06:03 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures References: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk>, Roger Noble writes >Hello All, > >It is some time since I tried getting text to flow round a Draw-file picture. >My memory is that this worked, but now I get a warning box saying "Draw >render failed: code 2 at -1". It does not appear to be sensitive to the >contents of the draw file. > >This is with OP 2.54 and RiscOS 4. Does anyone else get this, or is it my set >up? > Yes, I've seen this (OP 2.54 / RO 3.5). Then when I tried to reproduce it, I couldn't. Nor would the original problem re-appear. I wrote it off as 'one of those things'. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:30:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106692 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:30:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939647538:20:21061:42; Mon, 11 Oct 99 13:12:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111273; 11 Oct 99 13:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01891 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:37:11 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01886 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:37:10 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aehJ-0004Ie-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:37:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:36:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Ribble Ripples Message-ID: <494f528803C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > On Sat 09 Oct, alan harvey wrote: > > On Fri 08 Oct, John Clegg wrote: > > > > Just a thought - On the DP2 group (that's DataPower, not DP) > > someone has set up a web page where example databases are > > submitted by users and available for download encouraging others > > to study and adapt them for their own use and perhaps improve > > upon them. > > > > If something similar was set up for Opro, it could help other > > users to improve their DTP skills. > > > Good idea. As well as a 'good ideas' section, you could have a > 'suggestions please' section: along the lines, 'I know this is not > right, what I am trying to achieve is... , any suggestions?' ... and if you are looking for somewhere to deposit them, then I am happy to oblige. Just e-mail contributions to me. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:32:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106697 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:32:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939491325:10:12926:17; Sat, 09 Oct 99 17:48:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125397; 9 Oct 99 17:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27372 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:25:31 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA27367 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:25:29 +0100 Received: from p86.nas2.is4.u-net.net ([195.102.198.214] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 11a0FB-0006mA-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 18:25:17 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:07:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:07:03 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <494dd18dbbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Schild wrote: > Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to > spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? > > I /never/seem to see it on proof reading; and would hate to have to > migrate to M$Word to get over the problem! > The problem that that approach runs into is - repeated words are sometimes legal. But I suppose a warning might be useful ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:33:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106704 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:33:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939554801:10:29668:17; Sun, 10 Oct 99 11:26:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029603; 10 Oct 99 11:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA29518 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:11:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29513 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:11:28 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11aGrW-000KZy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:09:59 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 11:26:43 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ImageExtnd not there Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > Hello > > Having just done the RISC OS4 upgrade and then the disc reformat I have also > done the OvPro 2.54 upgrade. I don't know whether any of these actions were > responsible but the Ovation Art Works applet is giving > "File name '.RmStore.ImageExtnd' not recognised" error on starting OvPro. > > I only have the Art Works Viewer but this is in the "Look at" list in the new > boot structure. If I run the Viewer and then quit it OvPro loads OK. > > Disabling the applet is a solution but you can be sure that sometime I will > find an urgent need. Drag !AWViewer.RMStore.ImageExtnd to the 'Run at startup' option in Configure. Or install a copy of CCShared to your resources dir, if you have it. Or pop a copy of ImageExtend into !System.Modules. There's probably other options. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:33:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106706 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:33:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939560052:10:23965:19; Sun, 10 Oct 99 12:54:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023661; 10 Oct 99 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29811 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:39:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29806 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:39:35 +0100 Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aIEr-000FqK-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:38:09 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 12:30:43 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: RE: Version 2.54 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106530@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 08 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > What I might do is offer 2 patches one from 2.46 to the latest and one > from 2.52. Excellent idea David. Please go for it as soon as you can spare time. Oh, and I will be very willing to pay to get a definitive version. Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:34:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106708 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:34:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939560191:10:25502:17; Sun, 10 Oct 99 12:56:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025257; 10 Oct 99 12:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29858 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:41:29 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29853 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:41:27 +0100 Received: from modem-48.endostatin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.48] helo=loopback) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aIGa-0007fu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 13:39:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:16:15 +0100 From: Malcolm Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: <2c6f644e49.mpc@shelburne.freeserve.co.uk> References: <000001bf1238$4c124ec0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <000001bf1238$4c124ec0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000001bf1238$4c124ec0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> you wrote: > Malcolm Churchill wrote about referenced images: > > > Is there a !Choices option to turn this effect off? > > Yes. The file "Large" in the NewDoc directory (in the upgrade zipfile) tells > you all about it, with pictures too! Much easier than trying to explain it > in a textfile on a mailing list ;-) > > It's in http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip > if you've binned it already. > > Cheers, > Nick > -- > Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print > http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ > mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor > > Thanks - I'd missed that! But it was filed away safely. Very useful. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106709 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939663666:20:23235:27; Mon, 11 Oct 99 17:41:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117766; 11 Oct 99 17:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02431 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:05:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02426 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:05:24 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.16) [193.149.77.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11aisw-0000F7-00; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:05:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:36:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Message-ID: <494ef52293steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <106623@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <106623@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <106623@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Hmmm, Admittedly a cheaper product, but Jonathan Duddington is using > >DES encrypted sparkives and a password issued to registered users. > Well fair enough, but I don't have a database of all OPro users. > The partial database I do have doesn't have email addresses in it. > The key is to work all this out before you start selling the program > and OPro dates back to before the internet age. Perhaps a small utility to check a valid install, and provide a (unique?) number for that install which the user can mail or e-mail to you. > As to passwords... I wonder if he's fed up yet with explaining how to > enter passwords in Spark etc. 8-) (although (hint?) it can all be > done with script files) Nah, it gets repeated by various other users of Pluto. > What I've never understood is why as soon as a new password comes out it > is not just posted on the 'net. General honesty, besides just how would they be certain you hadn't locked the whole thing to their install number? > I do have a new registration scheme for OPro. Its currently only in use > on the German version. The only problem is deploying it and I've > chosen to wait until there is a significant upgrade. Seems reasonable, lots of effort for no result is essentially wasted effort. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:34:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106714 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:34:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939565781:10:22063:24; Sun, 10 Oct 99 14:29:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021718; 10 Oct 99 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30216 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:01:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA30211 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:01:49 +0100 Received: from (62.188.142.192) [62.188.142.192] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11aJWQ-0004th-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 15:00:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 09:30:57 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Ribble Ripples Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 9 Oct 1999 (18:46:16 +0100), alan.harvey@ukonline.co.uk wrote: >Just a thought - On the DP2 group (that's DataPower, not DP) someone >has set up a web page where example databases are submitted by users (snip) > >If something similar was set up for Opro, it could help other users to >improve their DTP skills. > That sounds like a great idea to me, I'd be glad to contribute and look at other people's usage for ideas! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:34:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106718 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:34:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939665307:20:24699:17; Mon, 11 Oct 99 18:08:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024519; 11 Oct 99 18:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02546 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:36:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02541 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:36:42 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.70) [193.149.80.70] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ajND-0000tS-00; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:36:36 +0100 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 19:20:48 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures Message-ID: <494EEE2E52%mik@xemik.com> References: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.04 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> Roger Noble wrote: > It is some time since I tried getting text to flow round a Draw-file > picture [...] Not directly related to your Q, but... ....is there any way of restricting the number of points set when auto-flowing around the shape of a (grouped) Drawfile? I end with hundreds & it rarely draws around the pic' as I would wish it. I do edit the outline, but it takes forever, because of the large number of points. TIA -- VirusScan Message: Windows 95 found: Remove it? (Y/N) __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:39:08 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11aMug-0009Dz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:37:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 18:38:46 +0100 Subject: Re: Palette applets Message-ID: <494eea54f3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <199910090721.IAA25297@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, John Pettigrew wrote: > I've been using the style palette, page palette and colour palette > applets and find them extremely useful. However, there are a couple of > points I'd appreciate some help with. > First, is there any way of preventing them opening palettes whenever a > doc is opened? Every time OP starts up, they reset to their default > behaviour of opening the palette window. I'd like the choice - I don't > want all of the palettes all of the time. The short answer is yes, you can change values within the applet to do this, although I am still struggling to remember which to change. Sorry! > Which brings me to my second. Could anyone provide me with code for > button macros to open and close each of these palettes? I've been > playing around but not come up with anything that works for all three. http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/resource.html on this site there is a sprite file called palette sprites which has the macros and button bar sprites. Hope that helps, ian > John -- Ian Lowry, Cardiff Cymru 23 Yr Ariannin 18 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:34:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106725 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:34:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939667059:20:24294:17; Mon, 11 Oct 99 18:37:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024240; 11 Oct 99 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02631 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:06:51 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02626 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:06:44 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-97.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.97]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA19385 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:06:32 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:40:20 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palette applets Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <494eea54f3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <494eea54f3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> Ian Lowry wrote: > In article <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, > John Pettigrew wrote: > > .. is there any way of preventing them opening palettes whenever a > > doc is opened? Every time OP starts up, they reset to their default > > behaviour of opening the palette window. I'd like the choice - I don't > > want all of the palettes all of the time. > > The short answer is yes, you can change values within the applet to do > this, although I am still struggling to remember which to change. Sorry! Is this not one of those choices that needs to be saved with the 'default' document? If you turn off the paletts that you don't want then use the document File>Save as default option, wil that do it? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:34:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106726 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:34:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939584338:10:14982:17; Sun, 10 Oct 99 19:38:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014903; 10 Oct 99 19:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31403 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:10:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA31398 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:10:35 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.12) [62.188.146.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11aOLA-0002Op-00; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:09:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:21:13 +0100 Subject: Re: OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: <494e33739asteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Malcolm Churchill wrote: > Is there a !Choices option to turn this effect off? Sounds like you're asking David to add a "Display lo-res while editing option" Which if you look in the icon bar icon "choices" - "Picture" O suspect you may find something along the lines you're asking for... Perhaps a macro button in the editing window? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106737 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939670123:20:11894:26; Mon, 11 Oct 99 19:28:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011734; 11 Oct 99 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02834 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:58:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02829 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:58:49 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11akeb-000Ije-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:58:43 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:00:44 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: control+F2 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I like the new control+F2 feature to close the document. Would it be possible to have OPro move the input focus to the next OPro document window in the stack if there is more than one document open? Personal Accounts is able to do this when a window is closed. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106739 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939671600:20:02801:17; Mon, 11 Oct 99 19:53:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002774; 11 Oct 99 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03094 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:35:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03089 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:35:33 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.196) [62.188.144.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11alEC-0003qH-00; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:35:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:23:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Message-ID: <494f77c59esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38019C15.CB200B9E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30DA@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> <494def User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <38019C15.CB200B9E@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > Can do that, But how do I put them together again on the A3010? Sorry I was being too short my replies again wasn't I? Set up a series of small (less than 1.4MB) Zip files containing specific files from within the original Zip file. Or were you after a means of dealing with files which even when individually zipped were over 1.4MB? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106740 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939671680:20:03913:21; Mon, 11 Oct 99 19:54:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003647; 11 Oct 99 19:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03048 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:30:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03042 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:30:18 +0100 Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11al99-000PCu-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:30:12 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 13:52:02 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures Message-ID: References: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> <67K32HArpZA4Ewsm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <67K32HArpZA4Ewsm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.08abeta (MsgServe/1.08abeta) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB03048 In message <67K32HArpZA4Ewsm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Tony van der Hoff wrote: >In message <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk>, Roger Noble >writes >>Hello All, >> >>It is some time since I tried getting text to flow round a >>Draw-file picture. My memory is that this worked, but now I get a >>warning box saying "Draw render failed: code 2 at -1". It does not >>appear to be sensitive to the contents of the draw file. >> >>This is with OP 2.54 and RiscOS 4. Does anyone else get this, or >>is it my set up? >> > >Yes, I've seen this (OP 2.54 / RO 3.5). Then when I tried to >reproduce it, I couldn't. Nor would the original problem re-appear. >I wrote it off as 'one of those things'. OP 2.54 / RO 3.5 - and I get the problem. I've tried with different drawfiles, created with Draw+ 2.41=DF, just in case it was a particular drawfile. Problem replicates each time.=20 --=20 Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106747 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939677477:20:00061:24; Mon, 11 Oct 99 21:31:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000014; 11 Oct 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03978 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:14:16 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA03973 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:14:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 23090 invoked from network); 11 Oct 1999 21:14:07 -0000 Received: from userb194.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.71.177) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 1999 21:14:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:13:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Message-ID: <494f81d467df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <38019C15.CB200B9E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30DA@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> <37FE22B3.6F9D892D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> <494def User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Variously was written... > > > Only Problem is with the odd zip file that is > > > between 1.44 M & 1.6 M Any ideas? > > > > WinZip? Split the existing zip file into more than one to store on the > > floppies... > > In article <38019C15.CB200B9E@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > Can do that, But how do I put them together again on the A3010? Which leads me to one of my favourite wants... If Mr Pilling could make SparkFS in Zip mode Disk span... I'd be so happy I'd pay lolly to upgrade my SparkFS. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106749 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939677710:20:03260:20; Mon, 11 Oct 99 21:35:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116492; 11 Oct 99 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03936 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:11:21 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03931 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:11:19 +0100 Received: from 10006851 (man-a227.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.44.227]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA23622 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:11:10 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:04:10 +0100 From: Ken Paton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro & New Hard Disk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <49495dc764rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61a Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have just installed a new hard disk and am trying to get everything transferred to it. Is there any way to transfer Ovation Pro without having to reinstall everything from version 2.46 again? -- Ken Paton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106750 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939632195:10:01449:32; Mon, 11 Oct 99 08:56:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001031; 11 Oct 99 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00962 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:21:41 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00957 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:21:39 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09604 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:21:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:20:30 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Ribble Ripples To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 09 Oct, alan harvey wrote: > On Fri 08 Oct, John Clegg wrote: > > Just a thought - On the DP2 group (that's DataPower, not DP) someone has > set up a web page where example databases are submitted by users and > available for download encouraging others to study and adapt them for their > own use and perhaps improve upon them. > > If something similar was set up for Opro, it could help other users to > improve their DTP skills. > Good idea. As well as a 'good ideas' section, you could have a 'suggestions please' section: along the lines, 'I know this is not right, what I am trying to achieve is... , any suggestions?' Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106751 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939680060:20:05725:18; Mon, 11 Oct 99 22:14:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005665; 11 Oct 99 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04118 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:44:00 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04113 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:43:59 +0100 Received: from alan.harvey.ukonline.co.uk (tnt-6-10.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.10]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 1FA367B143 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:43:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 22:24:14 +0100 (BST) From: alan harvey Subject: Re: Ribble Ripples To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Oct, John Clegg wrote: > On Mon 11 Oct 1999 (13:36:54 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: > > > > .. and if you are looking for somewhere to deposit them, then I am > > happy to oblige. Just e-mail contributions to me. > > > > Chris > > Since I started this off, I've offered to send the September edition of Ripples > to Chris. Excellent > I hope everyone realises this could be quite a can of worms as file sizes could > easily get silly - Spark archived Ripples is over 116K (minus adverts and photos) I'm sure that, like yourself, people would omit large picture files etc. Perhaps Chris could state the file sizes on his web page? -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:35:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106754 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:35:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939683058:20:16932:23; Mon, 11 Oct 99 23:04:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016656; 11 Oct 99 23:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04271 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:34:33 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04266 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:34:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 5698 invoked from network); 11 Oct 1999 22:34:23 -0000 Received: from user1204.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.204) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Oct 1999 22:34:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 23:25:14 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro & New Hard Disk Message-ID: <494f886528rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <49495dc764rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ken Paton wrote: > Hi, > I have just installed a new hard disk and am trying to > get everything transferred to it. Is there any way to transfer > Ovation Pro without having to reinstall everything from version > 2.46 again? No, but it's not as drastic as it seems. Copy your existing Ovation Pro directory and working copy to the new disc. Install a new basic copy of 2.46 (just the first option in the installer) into a separate directory on the new disc. Upgrade it to 2.51, 2.52 and 2.54. Then just copy the !Runimage from it into your original working copy of !OvnPro and it will work. This way you don't upset all your applets, scripts etc. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106777 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939727543:20:23756:33; Tue, 12 Oct 99 11:25:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121879; 12 Oct 99 11:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA05676 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:15:30 +0100 Received: from out2.prserv.net (out2.prserv.net [165.87.194.229]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05669 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:15:27 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-82-188.bar.es.ibm.net [139.92.82.188]) by out2.prserv.net (/) with SMTP id KAA127496 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:15:07 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:24:28 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <38019C15.CB200B9E@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA05671 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB05676 On Mon 11 Oct, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > Can do that, But how do I put them together again on the A3010? > > Steven Pampling wrote: > > > > Only Problem is with the odd zip file that is > > > between 1.44 M & 1.6 M Any ideas? > > > > WinZip? Split the existing zip file into more than one to store on > > the floppies... It's very easy with Zap. I have access to an ISDN line in an office full of Linux machines. The downloads for me are simply split up into floppy sized chunks with the splits being made _anywhere_ in the scrambled code.=20 I then load the first chunk into Zap, place the cursor at the very next byte at the end, then load the next chunk to the cursor. The finished file then goes through SparkFS for unpacking. --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106780 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939729700:20:01961:17; Tue, 12 Oct 99 12:01:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124830; 12 Oct 99 12:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06048 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:32:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06043 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:32:43 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b0AN-000Miv-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:32:28 +0000 Message-ID: <$zQ2UVABoxA4EwMO@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:22:41 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Postscript References: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks writes >> Are there any PostScript experts out there? > >Well, I won't say expert, but I'll have a go ;-) > Thanks Nick, for such a swift and comprehensive reply. It all fits with what I'm seeing. Yes, I'm using Level 2 PS. Does the problem only apply to non-JPEG images? Hmm, how do I import JPG to OPro under RO3.5? I'll make a noise at ROL anyway, but my output can't wait; nor can I hold my breath ;-( Do you have a 'standard text' to describe the problem, or shall I just use what you said in your posting? Guess I'll try PS1 - thanks once again for your invaluable help! Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106784 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939737703:20:19276:21; Tue, 12 Oct 99 14:15:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101224; 12 Oct 99 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06547 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:18:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06542 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:18:33 +0100 Received: from microlas.demon.co.uk ([158.152.237.88] helo=mld_server) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b1om-000PDO-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:18:17 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.80 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:16:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Postscript Message-ID: <494fd9f70eandy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> References: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA06543 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB06547 In article <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > I'm guessing that you're using Level 2 PS here. David P and I went > through this particular problem in August last year and identified the > source of the error. We reported it to Acorn, unfortunately in the week > before they closed the Workstation division :-/ > It's *not* an error in OP, but in the Acorn Level 2 PS printer driver, > and in particular how it encodes non-JPEG images [For propellor-heads, > the driver uses a run length encoding for the image mask, which is > pretty standard in PS. However, a bug in the driver means it doesn't > always get the length right, so the end of data character (a ~) is read > by the interpreter as a command, and promptly fails]. > This encoding seems to work maybe 90-95% of the time, but there's still > the odd time it can fall over, and there's no way for a user to predict > when. Obviously, the more images there are in a document, the greater > the chance of a duff one causing the whole thing to fail. Hi Nick and all.... I have to say that there appears not to be a real 'bug' in the printer driver since we have a Linotype hardware RIP connected to our imagesetter running level 2 and I have to say that it will run any level 2 Acorn file that we throw at it without fail - even 300-400Mb files with tens if not hundreds of pics. The RIP contains a 'real' Adobe implementation of PS Level 2 and IIRC cost around =A330k when new! It is obviously a problem in the way that the PS file is interpreted by the output device - memory or heap allocation perhaps? Cheers Andrew --=20 =20 _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106787 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939739796:20:25580:35; Tue, 12 Oct 99 14:49:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025483; 12 Oct 99 14:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06571 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:21:06 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06566 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:21:05 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b1r9-000Mxg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:20:45 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:41:12 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Postscript References: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <494fce0a55andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494fce0a55andy@mld.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <494fce0a55andy@mld.co.uk>, Andrew J Bissex writes >In article <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, > Tony van der Hoff wrote: >> Hi, > >> Are there any PostScript experts out there? > > > >Hmm, don't know about experts..... > > >Have you got access to Acrobat Distiller on the PC? - it usually works on >files that GS doesn't. > Thanks, Andrew, for your help. Unfortunately it is not so much what I have access to that matters, it's what my clients have. Having persuaded them to take PS output rather than the dreaded Word format, the onus is now on me to produce valid PS. I appear not to be doing so. Thanks, anyway. > -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106793 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939745116:20:21643:25; Tue, 12 Oct 99 16:18:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121304; 12 Oct 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06705 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:00:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06700 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:00:37 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b2TU-000Dgj-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:00:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:31:09 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Postscript References: <$zQ2UVABoxA4EwMO@mk-net.demon.co.uk> <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick Kaijaks writes >> In message <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick >> Kaijaks writes >> > Anyway, why aren't you using RISC OS >4? ;-) >Buy! Buy! > I've just been overtaken by an irresistible urge to buy RISC OS 4! I think I'll get a StrongArm while I'm about it! > >Incidentally, how many others on this list are actually bugged [apologies >for the pun] by this problem? Is it an appreciable number? I'll collect a >list of names if it's worth submitting to RISCOS Ltd. > Good Plan! -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106794 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939670153:10:26167:25; Mon, 11 Oct 99 19:29:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104505; 11 Oct 99 19:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02850 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:59:11 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02845 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:59:10 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11akex-000Ije-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:59:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 18:09:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: One for the Wish List To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just been through lots of documents ready for conversion to HTML soon. I was lining up frames so that they all had an X position of 15.8cm. So I selected the the frames in question typed 15.8 in the appropriate writable icon on the info palette. Happily did I do this for many a document. And then discovered that only the first one selected was being repositioned to 15.8cm. So now you know what I would like to add to the Wish List. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:36:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106795 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:36:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939750273:20:14923:41; Tue, 12 Oct 99 17:44:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110263; 12 Oct 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07132 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:46 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07127 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:44 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA28137 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:20:26 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <38035F47.F306856D@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:18:15 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB07132 Thanks I will have to get a copy of ZAP. James White wrote: >=20 > On Mon 11 Oct, John Percy Kerslake wrote: >=20 > > Can do that, But how do I put them together again on the A3010? > > > > Steven Pampling wrote: > > > > > > Only Problem is with the odd zip file that is > > > > between 1.44 M & 1.6 M Any ideas? > > > > > > WinZip? Split the existing zip file into more than one to store on > > > the floppies... >=20 > It's very easy with Zap. >=20 > I have access to an ISDN line in an office full of Linux machines. The > downloads for me are simply split up into floppy sized chunks with the > splits being made _anywhere_ in the scrambled code. >=20 > I then load the first chunk into Zap, place the cursor at the very > next byte at the end, then load the next chunk to the cursor. >=20 > The finished file then goes through SparkFS for unpacking. >=20 > -- > ---------------- > RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a > ---------------- >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message --=20 John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page =3D http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager =3D07626-235878, Work =3D01248-351151 ext. 2730/3850, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:37:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106801 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:37:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939673238:10:13340:17; Mon, 11 Oct 99 20:20:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013172; 11 Oct 99 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03223 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:04:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03218 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:04:11 +0100 Received: from (62.188.143.22) [62.188.143.22] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11alfv-0004h9-00; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:04:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:30:08 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Ribble Ripples Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 11 Oct 1999 (13:36:54 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: .. and if you are looking for somewhere to deposit them, then I am > happy to oblige. Just e-mail contributions to me. > > Chris Since I started this off, I've offered to send the September edition of Ripples to Chris. I hope everyone realises this could be quite a can of worms as file sizes could easily get silly - Spark archived Ripples is over 116K (minus adverts and photos) Cheers, John -- _____ ______ ____________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:37:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106802 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:37:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939676314:10:00390:18; Mon, 11 Oct 99 21:11:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101328; 11 Oct 99 21:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03716 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:55:44 +0100 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03709 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:55:43 +0100 Received: from modem-110.germanium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.15.238] helo=orchard-way) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11amTk-0004Xq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:55:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 21:55:54 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures Message-ID: <5537804f49.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> <494EEE2E52%mik@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <494EEE2E52%mik@xemik.com> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <494EEE2E52%mik@xemik.com> you wrote: > In message <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> Roger Noble wrote: > > It is some time since I tried getting text to flow round a Draw-file > > picture [...] > Not directly related to your Q, but... > > ...is there any way of restricting the number of points set when auto-flowing > around the shape of a (grouped) Drawfile? I end with hundreds & it rarely > draws around the pic' as I would wish it. I do edit the outline, but it takes > forever, because of the large number of points. > This one's come up before, without much in the way of a direct answer. The best I've been able to come up with is to draw an irregular frame instead of using the "trace" facility. The downside comes when you want to change scales etc. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:37:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106798 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:37:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939752431:20:23391:50; Tue, 12 Oct 99 18:20:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023617; 12 Oct 99 18:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07553 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:43:10 +0100 Received: from sand5.global.net.uk (sand5.mail.gxn.net [194.126.80.249]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07548 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:43:08 +0100 Received: from pd3s12a07.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.236.212] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand5.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11b5wo-0001iw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:42:50 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:34:54 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Font numbers To: OvationPro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Now on 2.54 and RO4 . Is there any sort of limit to the number of fonts that OP will work with at all ? I seem to remember getting messages about font overflow in the past apparently resloved by reducing the number of fonts I was trying to sue . I have the chance to add some more to the machine but don't want to cause problems ;-) TIA Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn mailto ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Monsanto Monopoly Monoculture Mayhem Megamess I'm saying NO NO thankyou -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:37:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106809 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:37:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939719771:10:01495:28; Tue, 12 Oct 99 09:16:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122562; 12 Oct 99 9:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05442 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:45:11 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05437 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:45:09 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA19461 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:44:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA07506 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:44:51 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: One for the Wish List Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:44:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bf148d$fe635450$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I've just been through lots of documents ready for conversion to HTML > soon. I was lining up frames so that they all had an X position of > 15.8cm. So I selected the the frames in question typed 15.8 in the > appropriate writable icon on the info palette. Happily did I do this for > many a document. And then discovered that only the first one selected > was being repositioned to 15.8cm. > > So now you know what I would like to add to the Wish List. Oooh, beg to differ - I very much like the fact that you can tweak (or indeed shove) the position of a selection of objects without having to "group" first. I find it a real keystroke saver. For Alan's request, drag one at a time with snap to frames on and a shift key held to avoid vertical drift. Alternatively, use the oft-forgotten !Align applet, which is easy to use as long as you can remember to look under the Object menu rather than Applets ;-) A couple more clicks required either way, but personally, I align selections far less often than I shift them as a group. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106810 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939721710:10:23072:48; Tue, 12 Oct 99 09:48:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023357; 12 Oct 99 9:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA05551 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:23:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA05546 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:23:10 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ay91-000Bj1-0A for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 09:22:56 +0000 Message-ID: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:04:24 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Postscript MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Are there any PostScript experts out there? I have a manual, produced in OPro, which contains a number of sprite images (These are captured Windows dialog boxes, but that's not important right now). The objective is to print to a postscript file for export. This process appears to work happily at the RISC OS end, and I can also print the document correctly to the local printer, so it's not an OPro problem. However, when I try to render/print the PS file on a PC using GhostView, it trips up on some of the pages which contain graphics (but others render OK). I don't have RISC OS GhostView to compare it, but that wouldn't help much, anyway. The error message from GhostView is less than informative (Unrecoverable error: undefined in ~). Has anyone any suggestions? TIA, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106812 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939727611:10:25006:29; Tue, 12 Oct 99 11:26:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103183; 12 Oct 99 11:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05884 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:59 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05879 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:57 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00337 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19916 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:38 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Postscript Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Are there any PostScript experts out there? Well, I won't say expert, but I'll have a go ;-) > I have a manual, produced in OPro, which contains a number of sprite > images (These are captured Windows dialog boxes, but that's not > important right now). > > The error message from GhostView is less than informative (Unrecoverable > error: undefined in ~). I'm guessing that you're using Level 2 PS here. David P and I went through this particular problem in August last year and identified the source of the error. We reported it to Acorn, unfortunately in the week before they closed the Workstation division :-/ It's *not* an error in OP, but in the Acorn Level 2 PS printer driver, and in particular how it encodes non-JPEG images [For propellor-heads, the driver uses a run length encoding for the image mask, which is pretty standard in PS. However, a bug in the driver means it doesn't always get the length right, so the end of data character (a ~) is read by the interpreter as a command, and promptly fails]. This encoding seems to work maybe 90-95% of the time, but there's still the odd time it can fall over, and there's no way for a user to predict when. Obviously, the more images there are in a document, the greater the chance of a duff one causing the whole thing to fail. Unfortunately for testing purposes, some interpreters just ignore the error and carry on without failing. GhostScript 4 seems to accept these files, whereas GS 5 (and, unfortunately, the imagesetter that my local bureau uses) does not, giving the "undefined in ~" error. Two solutions: 1) Go "Grrr" at RISCOS Ltd until they either fix it, or give someone competent the source to the PS driver to fix. This is the best long term solution, if not getting a level 3 driver written. Alternatively, someone better at PostScript than I could rewrite the S1 routine that gets written in the PSprolog, so that the interpreter can cope gracefully with the error. 2) Try a level 1 PS driver. This doesn't use this particular encoding method, so doesn't cause the error. That should fix it for getting the manual out today! Best of luck, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106814 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939753184:20:07815:46; Tue, 12 Oct 99 18:33:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007705; 12 Oct 99 18:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07670 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:15:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07665 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:15:53 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b6SU-000FmU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:15:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:36:11 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: RE: One for the Wish List To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000101bf148d$fe635450$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 12 Oct, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > I've just been through lots of documents ready for conversion to HTML > > soon. I was lining up frames so that they all had an X position of > > 15.8cm. So I selected the the frames in question typed 15.8 in the > > appropriate writable icon on the info palette. Happily did I do this for > > many a document. And then discovered that only the first one selected > > was being repositioned to 15.8cm. > > > > So now you know what I would like to add to the Wish List. > > Oooh, beg to differ - I very much like the fact that you can tweak (or > indeed shove) the position of a selection of objects without having to > "group" first. I find it a real keystroke saver. Yes I suppose I wouldn't want to lose this capability either, but perhaps in some way both could be possible?? > > For Alan's request, drag one at a time with snap to frames on and a shift > key held to avoid vertical drift. Except that I would still have to position the first frame to 15.8cm and then do the dragging of the others. I was looking for a quick method of aligning them in one go as I had many docs to do. >Alternatively, use the oft-forgotten > !Align applet, which is easy to use as long as you can remember to look > under the Object menu rather than Applets ;-) Align is not forgotten here. I use it frequently. However, in my scenario I still need to set the position of the first frame before using Align, as you can't do it from within align. Also as you say more clicks required. It would be good if Align was available on a keyboard shortcut or as a button macro. Can someone offer the macro? >A couple more clicks required > either way, but personally, I align selections far less often than I shift > them as a group. Tends to be the other way with me. Cheers anyway, Nick. Alan -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106815 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939753322:20:10395:35; Tue, 12 Oct 99 18:35:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009839; 12 Oct 99 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07700 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:16:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07695 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:16:38 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b6TC-000FmU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:16:20 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:54:14 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Palette applets To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 09 Oct, John Pettigrew wrote: > I've been using the style palette, page palette and colour palette applets > and find them extremely useful. However, there are a couple of points I'd > appreciate some help with. > > First, is there any way of preventing them opening palettes whenever a doc is > opened? Every time OP starts up, they reset to their default behaviour of > opening the palette window. I'd like the choice - I don't want all of the > palettes all of the time. > > Which brings me to my second. Could anyone provide me with code for button > macros to open and close each of these palettes? I've been playing around but > not come up with anything that works for all three. Is it just my set-up or is it true for everyone that attempting to move any of these buttons produces a type=5 ? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106816 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939728310:10:02549:20; Tue, 12 Oct 99 11:38:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119262; 12 Oct 99 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05904 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:07:59 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA05899 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:07:57 +0100 Received: from microlas.demon.co.uk ([158.152.237.88] helo=mld_server) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11azmD-0000pP-0K for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 11:07:29 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.80 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: Ovation Maillist Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 12:05:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Postscript Message-ID: <494fce0a55andy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> References: <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Hi, > Are there any PostScript experts out there? Hmm, don't know about experts..... But, in my experience the PostScript produced by the Acorn drivers usually works when sent to a decent printer/RIP. GS can fall over for no apparent reason. Are you using PS level 1 or 2? If you are using level 2 the bitmaps get compressed which can cause problems on some devices - if you don't use the output device on a regular basis and therefore don't know its quirks then it's probably better to use level 1. For example some level 2 files with lots of bitmaps crash our QMS laser printer, but the same file run through our Fiery or Kodak digital printer work fine! Have you got access to Acrobat Distiller on the PC? - it usually works on files that GS doesn't. Cheers Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106819 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939734244:10:10917:17; Tue, 12 Oct 99 13:17:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010611; 12 Oct 99 13:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06296 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:31:51 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06290 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:31:49 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09019 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:31:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17157 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:31:30 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Postscript Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 13:31:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <$zQ2UVABoxA4EwMO@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In message <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick > Kaijaks writes > > Does the problem only apply to non-JPEG images? Hmm, how do I import JPG > to OPro under RO3.5? JPEGs are handled by native routines in Level 2 PS, and thus aren't affected. However, this also needs a version of RISC OS that handles JPEGs natively itself (i.e. not requiring transloaders/imagefs/changefsi etc). That's only version 3.6+, from memory. Anyway, why aren't you using RISC OS 4? ;-) Buy! Buy! > I'll make a noise at ROL anyway, but my output can't wait; nor can I > hold my breath ;-( Do you have a 'standard text' to describe the > problem, or shall I just use what you said in your posting? I've just taken the impetus to write to bugs@riscos.com myself. I doubt they'd appreciate hordes of "me too"s though, so don't rush to follow on. Incidentally, how many others on this list are actually bugged [apologies for the pun] by this problem? Is it an appreciable number? I'll collect a list of names if it's worth submitting to RISCOS Ltd. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 19:38:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106822 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:38:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939743044:10:17436:67; Tue, 12 Oct 99 15:44:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112902; 12 Oct 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06891 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:27 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06885 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:25 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15850 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04267 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:06 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Postscript Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:06:54 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bf14c3$6b6f7cb0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <494fd9f70eandy@mld.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB06891 Andrew Bissex wrote: > I have to say that there appears not to be a real 'bug' in the printer > driver since we have a Linotype hardware RIP connected to our imagesett= er > running level 2 and I have to say that it will run any level 2 Acorn fi= le > that we throw at it without fail - even 300-400Mb files with tens if no= t > hundreds of pics. The RIP contains a 'real' Adobe implementation of PS > Level 2 and IIRC cost around =A330k when new! > > It is obviously a problem in the way that the PS file is interpreted by > the output device - memory or heap allocation perhaps? Well, yes it's an interpretation issue, but that doesn't mean its not a b= ug. Whilst I cite GS as a demonstration of the difference between interpreter= s, that doesn't mean that I haven't seen the same failure in a significant fraction of the hundreds of jobs I've sent to both Scangraphics and Linot= ype Level 2 hardware RIPs in my time! I don't believe it's a memory or heap error - the bureaux and printers I deal with don't skimp on their hardware, I can assure you! I can cite ple= nty of 0.x gigabyte files that RIP fine on the same kit, but it's just a subs= et of Level 2 Acorn PS jobs that gives this particular error. The same jobs printed Level 1 always work fine. It may be that your RIP's interpreter does a better job of handling the exception, or on the flipside one could argue that the other interpreters 'err on the side of caution'. Either way, even if you're lucky enough not= to have a problem, it is a real issue for a good number of users outputting = to other real-world RIPs. Incidentally, I'm pleased to say that I've had a call from RISC OS Ltd wh= o are already investigating my report! Fingers crossed, a swifter than expected resolution may yet be on its way... Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 22:56:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106863 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 22:56:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939755221:20:13034:82; Tue, 12 Oct 99 19:07:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013170; 12 Oct 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07677 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:16:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA07672 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:16:32 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11b6T7-000FmU-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:16:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:39:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <494ee2da75rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 10 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article , Alan > Muscat wrote: > > On Sat 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >Having just upgraded to 2.54, I am disappointed to find that the bug > > > >I reported in my submissions of 25 April 98 and 02 June 98 is still > > > >there. > > > > > > You're right that is not desirable behaviour, and yes it has been > > > pointed out before. Is it a bug? I suppose so but its largely because > > > we're trying to make the window do something RISC OS isn't designed > > > for. Notice the toggle icon never changes style. ArtWorks does the > > > same trick. > > > > > > I assume I looked at fixing it and decided it was not easy. So it > > > depends on how many people want it fixing. > > > > > > I don't understand this. The toggle size icon changes on my document > > windows. > > Only if you don't have the info bar attached. With the info bar attached, > the document window can't open completely, and therefore the icon doesn't > change to max as the window isn't maximised. That would explain it. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 22:57:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106869 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 22:57:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939761651:10:10462:26; Tue, 12 Oct 99 20:54:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010461; 12 Oct 99 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08330 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:24:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08323 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:24:39 +0100 Received: from (userl474) [193.149.75.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11b8T3-00006V-00; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:24:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:08:08 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures Message-ID: <1e3ad94f49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> References: <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> <67K32HArpZA4Ewsm@mk-net.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB08330 Status: R In message Philip Powell wrote: > OP 2.54 / RO 3.5 - and I get the problem. I've tried with different > drawfiles, created with Draw+ 2.41=DF, just in case it was a particular > drawfile. Problem replicates each time. I have just tried again with OP 2.54 and also with OP 2.52. 2.54 fails as described every time, but 2.52 works. It is not anything to do with an applet, I have tried without any loaded. Is this peculiar to OP 2.54? Can anyone get 2.54 to successfully run text around a draw file? Roger --=20 Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 12 22:57:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106870 for opro ; Tue, 12 Oct 99 22:57:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939765100:20:05174:21; Tue, 12 Oct 99 21:51:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005099; 12 Oct 99 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08482 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:22:44 +0100 Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08477 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:22:41 +0100 Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p15.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.145]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18220 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:21:01 +1300 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:23:41 +1200 (GMT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Mailing List To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is anybody else on the list having problems with garbled and repeated messages? ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 01:55:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106876 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 01:55:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939769320:10:16717:122; Tue, 12 Oct 99 23:02:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1101443; 12 Oct 99 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08696 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:35:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08691 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:35:05 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bAVI-0006zS-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 22:34:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 21:44:32 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: f4... Now there's a thing... To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Many thanks for the replies; didn't even think of putting nothing in the replace field. That's the effect Lit Hour and Num Hour is having upon me; so used now to being told exactly what to do, where to do it, when to do it, and how to evaluate it. Works fine! Roll on higher level thinking... and the abolition of dispempowering initiatives. Back to the folders.... and the crusts. One day I'm going to wash my tea mug. When I have time. It's beginning to look like the welsh coastline inside; my geography teacher would be proud.... On Mon 04 Oct, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Sun 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > > Dear all > > > > Can anyone help me on this: > > > > I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story > > with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of > > doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I > > remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a > > space instead, but I don't even want that! > > > > Any help gratefully received. > > > > Search for speech marks, leave the replace field blank, and replace each > occurrence. You are then replacing with nothing - just removing the speech > marks. > > Anthony > > -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 14:42:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106951 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 14:42:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939805605:10:24981:26; Wed, 13 Oct 99 09:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123320; 13 Oct 99 9:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10174 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:29:56 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10169 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:29:53 +0100 Received: from p74.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.202] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 11bJnj-00072u-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:30:24 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:06:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:06:29 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Postscript Message-ID: <2272415049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <494fce0a55andy@mld.co.uk>, Andrew J Bissex > writes > >In article <39WU3MAYmvA4EwtL@mk-net.demon.co.uk>, > > Tony van der Hoff wrote: > >> Hi, > > > >> Are there any PostScript experts out there? > > > > > > > >Hmm, don't know about experts..... > > > > > > >Have you got access to Acrobat Distiller on the PC? - it usually works on > >files that GS doesn't. > > > > Thanks, Andrew, for your help. Unfortunately it is not so much what I > have access to that matters, it's what my clients have. Having persuaded > them to take PS output rather than the dreaded Word format, the onus is > now on me to produce valid PS. I appear not to be doing so. Thanks, > anyway. > > Acrobat distiller may still be useful, if you have access to it. I have got into the habit of checking my PS output by running it through distiller before sending it on to the outside world. Once you have produced a PDF file successfully, you can save it back out again as Postscript. This will 'launder' an Acorn PS file into an authorised Adobe PS file. It's the kind of trick anyone involved in pre-press work has to do from time to time - (and not just for Acorn generated files!). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:50:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106980 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:50:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939784481:20:15766:19; Wed, 13 Oct 99 03:14:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015480; 13 Oct 99 3:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09386 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 03:55:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09381 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 03:55:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bEYp-000J56-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 02:54:39 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 03:38:07 GMT Message-Id: <106938@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >applet, I have tried without any loaded. Is this peculiar to OP 2.54? Can >anyone get 2.54 to successfully run text around a draw file? Yes - me. Its called programmers luck, things always work for the programmer. Its an interesting point, the picture handling code in 2.54 was fairly heavily messed about with. ISTR thinking I could improve the code for flowing around pictures at one point. But having said that I'm not entirely convinced I did change this. I assume you're not using the new features on these pictures e.g. they don't have proxy images. In general flow around pictures does go wrong sometimes - the tracing code can produce curves which are too complex for the code which flows text around curves. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106989 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939809875:20:17841:40; Wed, 13 Oct 99 10:17:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017812; 13 Oct 99 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10335 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:59:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA10330 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:59:10 +0100 Received: from (userk861) [193.149.72.183] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11bLBC-0004UX-00; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:58:42 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:45:35 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures Message-ID: References: <106938@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <106938@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <106938@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >applet, I have tried without any loaded. Is this peculiar to OP 2.54? Can > >anyone get 2.54 to successfully run text around a draw file? > Yes - me. Its called programmers luck, things always work for the > programmer. Ah, yes :-) > Its an interesting point, the picture handling code in 2.54 was fairly > heavily messed about with. ISTR thinking I could improve the code > for flowing around pictures at one point. But having said that > I'm not entirely convinced I did change this. > I assume you're not using the new features on these pictures e.g. they > don't have proxy images. Correct, I am not using a proxy. > In general flow around pictures does go wrong sometimes - the tracing code > can produce curves which are too complex for the code which flows text > around curves. Would it help if I sent you an example that fails for me? It is quite a simple document: a frame with some text and another frame containing a filled circle from draw. Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106991 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939814139:20:19241:19; Wed, 13 Oct 99 11:28:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124054; 13 Oct 99 11:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10528 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:56:22 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10523 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:56:14 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p18-max1.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.242.18]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id XAA05266 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:55:32 +1300 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:54:21 +1300 (BST) From: Ren H Turner Subject: Re: Mailing List To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB10528 For a short while Dan..... seemed to be something or someone at clear.net.nz On Wed 13 Oct, Dan McCarthy wrote: > Is anybody else on the list having problems with garbled > and repeated messages? > ------- > Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. > danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz >=20 > THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - HEAT TREATED ICE > =20 >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106992 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939815246:20:05645:99; Wed, 13 Oct 99 11:47:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118890; 13 Oct 99 11:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10647 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:27:01 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10638 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:26:58 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA24878 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:20:57 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14105; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:56:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:31:16 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: ImageExtnd not there Message-ID: <494FFC4DE0%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Fred Bambrough wrote: > Drag !AWViewer.RMStore.ImageExtnd to the 'Run at startup' option in > Configure. Or install a copy of CCShared to your resources dir, if you > have it. Or pop a copy of ImageExtend into !System.Modules. There's > probably other options. I prefer to amend !OvnPro.Applets.!OArtWrks.!Install to point to the place where I keep my CC modules. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106993 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939815928:20:15877:49; Wed, 13 Oct 99 11:58:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016217; 13 Oct 99 11:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10645 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:27:00 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10636 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:26:57 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA24876 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:20:57 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14095; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:56:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:57:34 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: double double trouble Message-ID: <494FEE3B69%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494dd18dbbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <494dd18dbbjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> John Schild wrote: > Is there an applet - or would someone someone like to to write one - to > spot my favourite trick of repeating the same word twice twice??? But you're happy to repeat it once? ;-) Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106994 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939816031:20:17651:48; Wed, 13 Oct 99 12:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106754; 13 Oct 99 12:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10672 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:27:32 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10667 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:27:30 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id MAA24877 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:20:57 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA14100; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 07:56:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:59:44 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euros, tic(k)s and other irritations (Was OvationPro 2.54 available now...) Message-ID: <494FEE6E54%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message badger.set@argonet.co.uk (Richard - root address) wrote: > Hmm, off topic, but I can't resist: I keep my accounts using the now > venerable Almanac, which (thankfully ) is still functioning on Risc OS 4. > However, when I reconcile a statement sheet, instead of each item amount > being ticked, it's now converted to Euros. Apparently the rate of exchange > is exactly 1UKP to 1 Euro ;-) Does Almanac use the system font? If so you may find that *Echo <23><128><3><3><6><6><118><28><12><0> is what you need. Foolishly I neglected to grab a snapshot of the system font before I removed my 3.7 ROMs, so I'm not sure if that's exactly right. Maybe someone who's not upgraded yet would be kind enough to check. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From bbailey@argonet.co.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106997 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939818232:20:20242:16; Wed, 13 Oct 99 12:37:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128216; 13 Oct 99 12:36 GMT Received: from (194.69.106.221) [194.69.106.221] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11bNdo-0007i2-00; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:36:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Bailey To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 08:56:35 +0100 Subject: OvationPro type=5 crashes Message-ID: <4950408a32bbailey@argonet.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: bbailey@argonet.co.uk User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.71) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R Dear David, Have recently loaded 2.54 and was having a look at its various new features and noticed that the sliders in both the Choices and Preferences templates act in a very peculiar manner, that is, they flicker a great deal. The sliders in previous versions are entirely stable. Could that be a cause of instability in 2.54. My best wishes. Cheers, Brian. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bbailey@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:51:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106998 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:51:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939822150:20:19937:21; Wed, 13 Oct 99 13:42:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019281; 13 Oct 99 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11228 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:05:34 +0100 Received: from ccug.wlv.ac.uk (ccug.wlv.ac.uk [134.220.1.46]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11223 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:05:32 +0100 Received: from www by ccug.wlv.ac.uk with local (Exim 2.03 #2) id 11bO5V-0001h6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:05:01 +0100 From: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk References: <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: IMP/PHP3 Imap webMail Program 2.0.3 X-Originating-IP: 134.220.33.33 Subject: RE: Postscript Message-Id: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:05:01 +0100 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Incidentally, how many others on this list are actually bugged [apologies > for the pun] by this problem? Is it an appreciable number? I'll collect a > list of names if it's worth submitting to RISCOS Ltd. > > TTFN, > Nick I've encountered the problem with sprites in OPro documents when converting to PDF files from Postscript (because most colour printers are non-postscript I couldn't do the simple 'copy file.ps lpt1:' that works for black and white laser printers). Although the PDF files render okay on the screen (on a PC), when printing (on an Epson Photo700) bizarre printing artifacts appear, seemingly randomly and with varying degree of distortion, usually in the form of short vertical lines scattered across the picture. Converting the sprites to JPEG and reprinting/converting the document successfully removes the problem, suggesting it may be the same fault as described in this thread. And it is a nuisance, because Postscript level 1 (which lacks the problem?), produces black and white PDF files. MattLB ----------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://web.horde.org/imp/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:52:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107003 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:52:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939831033:20:27397:26; Wed, 13 Oct 99 16:10:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119907; 13 Oct 99 16:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11625 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:30:03 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11609 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:30:01 +0100 Received: from p48.nas2.is4.u-net.net ([195.102.198.176] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 11bQMI-00062U-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:30:31 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:16:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:16:10 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Postscript Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro in6523@wlv.ac.uk wrote: > > Incidentally, how many others on this list are actually bugged > [apologies > > for the pun] by this problem? Is it an appreciable number? I'll > collect a > > list of names if it's worth submitting to RISCOS Ltd. > > > > TTFN, > > Nick > > I've encountered the problem with sprites in OPro documents when > converting to PDF files from Postscript (because most colour > printers are non-postscript I couldn't do the simple 'copy > file.ps lpt1:' that works for black and white laser printers). > > Although the PDF files render okay on the screen (on a PC), when > printing (on an Epson Photo700) bizarre printing artifacts > appear, seemingly randomly and with varying degree of distortion, > usually in the form of short vertical lines scattered across the > picture. Converting the sprites to JPEG and reprinting/converting > the document successfully removes the problem, suggesting it may > be the same fault as described in this thread. And it is a > nuisance, because Postscript level 1 (which lacks the problem?), > produces black and white PDF files. > Yes, when I produce PDFs with colour images, I find I have to use jpegs to ensure they display OK in PDF. Usually, I am trying to produce a screen display rather than generate PDFs for pre-press work (otherwise having to rely on jpegs would be pretty appalling). So, for me, the sprites/tiffs do not even display well on the PC screen in PDF - they takes ages to render and do so in narrow strips. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 18:52:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107004 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:52:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939832922:20:22983:78; Wed, 13 Oct 99 16:42:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024947; 13 Oct 99 16:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA11702 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:56:36 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (temp-mail.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11697 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:56:34 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18744 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:55:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199910131555.RAA18744@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 13 Oct 1999 07:41:55 GMT Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In your earlier message you wrote: >In general flow around pictures does go wrong sometimes - the tracing code >can produce curves which are too complex for the code which flows text >around curves. > And for the poor guy who thought "I'm gonna fix that manually"... What I always wanted to ask is: What is the meaning (and range) of the value for "Runaround error" in picture choices. I have even put "2" in there and can't seem to notice the effect. I.e. I have always resorted to drawing some simple object around something too complex instead of trying to argue with the settings. With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 13 20:29:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107025 for opro ; Wed, 13 Oct 99 20:29:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939839234:20:19263:17; Wed, 13 Oct 99 18:27:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100374; 13 Oct 99 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12071 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:55:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12066 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:55:04 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bSbV-000Ho3-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:54:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 19:54:02 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: RE: Postscript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <000101bf14ad$afefcf90$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 12 Oct, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > In message <000001bf14a1$b17a0f80$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk>, Nick > > Kaijaks writes > > > > Does the problem only apply to non-JPEG images? Hmm, how do I import JPG > > to OPro under RO3.5? > > JPEGs are handled by native routines in Level 2 PS, and thus aren't > affected. However, this also needs a version of RISC OS that handles JPEGs > natively itself (i.e. not requiring transloaders/imagefs/changefsi etc). > That's only version 3.6+, from memory. Anyway, why aren't you using RISC OS > 4? ;-) > Buy! Buy! > > > I'll make a noise at ROL anyway, but my output can't wait; nor can I > > hold my breath ;-( Do you have a 'standard text' to describe the > > problem, or shall I just use what you said in your posting? > > I've just taken the impetus to write to bugs@riscos.com myself. I doubt > they'd appreciate hordes of "me too"s though, so don't rush to follow on. > > Incidentally, how many others on this list are actually bugged [apologies > for the pun] by this problem? Is it an appreciable number? I'll collect a > list of names if it's worth submitting to RISCOS Ltd. I've only ever bothered with level one. I keep it simple and use sprites. What are other good reasons for using level 2 other being able to include jpegs. Incidently, I tend not to use jpegs anyway unless sending over the internet, because of the lossy method used. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 01:36:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107085 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 01:36:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939851801:10:19296:18; Wed, 13 Oct 99 21:56:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019125; 13 Oct 99 21:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12466 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:13:50 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12461 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:13:48 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-124.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.124]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA00452 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:13:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 19:58:08 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures Message-ID: <241b7d5049%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494EEE2E52%mik@xemik.com> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <494EEE2E52%mik@xemik.com> Mik Towse wrote: > In message <0686e14e49.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> Roger Noble wrote: > > ...is there any way of restricting the number of points set when auto-flowing > around the shape of a (grouped) Drawfile? This kindof works - though it's not useful for all situations: If you edit the drawfile and place a simple outline around the whole shape which is then set to un-filled with a white line colour then the auto-flow follows this simpler shape rather than the details of the more complex drawing. I've never used it, but it does seem to work. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 01:36:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107086 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 01:36:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939850475:20:25845:19; Wed, 13 Oct 99 21:34:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025661; 13 Oct 99 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12526 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:18:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12521 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:18:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bVmX-0006TJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:17:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 21:55:34 GMT Message-Id: <107059@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PS probs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: Andrew J Bissex > Hi, > Attached is the demo of Nick Kaijaks PS problems. > Too long ago for me to recall the exact details > of if it doesn't flag an error does it actually render > correctly. > I think it will get through GS4 but not PC GS 5. > The PS file is produced by printing from Draw. Thanks for that. I have tried the sample PS file through a couple of printing devices and it works fine. You are correct that it will go through GS4 but not GS5 on the PC. I also tried printing the drawfile to a ps file and hey presto the ps file that my system produced WILL run through GS5! So I started thinking back - I can remember having other problems with the PDriverPS module version 4.41 as used by Nick so I reverted to 4.39 but still used !Printers 1.5x. Currently I am using !Printers 1.62 that came with RO4 but still 4.39, so maybe I just struck lucky with that combination of old and new! Cheers Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 02:49:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107106 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 02:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939862384:20:18652:19; Thu, 14 Oct 99 00:53:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125783; 14 Oct 99 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13100 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13095 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bYtS-000PX3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:37:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 23:31:10 GMT Message-Id: <107078@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: control+F2 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I like the new control+F2 feature to close the document. Would it be >possible to have OPro move the input focus to the next OPro document >window in the stack if there is more than one document open? Personal >Accounts is able to do this when a window is closed. Possible yes. RISC OS compliant probably not... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 02:49:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107107 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 02:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939862375:10:22310:26; Thu, 14 Oct 99 00:52:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022340; 14 Oct 99 0:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13079 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:47 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13074 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bYtL-000PX3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:37:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 23:13:47 GMT Message-Id: <107072@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ribble Ripples X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >up a web page where example databases are submitted by users and available >for download encouraging others to study and adapt them for their own use and >perhaps improve upon them. Yes I've long thought something like this would be good. There are obvious problems like we're not really interested if the document looks good because it contains a lot of copyright fonts or clip art. It would be more case of documents which showed how to achieve results using the features of the DTP program. A book which I bought a long time ago, consisted of examples of how to design things - "this is how you set out a certificate" [1] I suppose these days wizards might fill that role. [1] DTP by design 4e bkCD Shushan R 36.85 MS Press (this is the latest edition, it is PageMaker based, it was large format, I've no idea what the latest one is like and I'm not recommending it). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 02:49:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107108 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 02:49:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939863175:20:24866:19; Thu, 14 Oct 99 01:06:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106477; 14 Oct 99 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13107 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:38:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13102 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bYtW-000PX3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:37:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 23:33:57 GMT Message-Id: <107080@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: One for the Wish List X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Align is not forgotten here. I use it frequently. Its Arrange not Align >It would be good if Align was available on a keyboard shortcut or as a >button macro. Adding a script interface to Arrange is a good idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 02:49:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107109 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 02:49:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939862441:10:22732:20; Thu, 14 Oct 99 00:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127128; 14 Oct 99 0:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13087 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13081 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bYtM-000PX3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:37:12 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 23:24:25 GMT Message-Id: <107074@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I recently wanted to find all occurrences of numbers followed by a full >stop (1. 2. 3. etc as in a numbered list) and replace the full stop with a >parenthesis. All I can think of is a 2 pass solution. Pass 1 Find (n. and replace it (using the ability to put the found string in the replace string) with .XA12Z. Pass 2 Replace ..XA12Z. with ) The mysterious string is just something which does not occur in your document. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 02:49:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107110 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 02:49:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939863184:20:25003:60; Thu, 14 Oct 99 01:06:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025005; 14 Oct 99 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13088 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:37:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bYtO-000PX3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:37:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 23:27:23 GMT Message-Id: <107076@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Font numbers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now on 2.54 and RO4 . Is there any sort of limit to the number of fonts >that OP will work with at all ? I believe the only limits on font numbers are outside OvationPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 02:49:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107112 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 02:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939863227:10:28524:21; Thu, 14 Oct 99 01:07:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028466; 14 Oct 99 1:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA13139 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:38:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13109 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 01:38:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bYtY-000PX3-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:37:26 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 99 23:37:12 GMT Message-Id: <107082@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What is the meaning (and range) >of the value for "Runaround error" in picture choices. I have >even put "2" in there and can't seem to notice the effect Average error (in pixels) per pixel. cf Trace (and no one ever understood it there either) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 14:31:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107139 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 14:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939878911:10:17575:20; Thu, 14 Oct 99 05:28:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017454; 14 Oct 99 5:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA14136 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:10:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA14131 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:10:54 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.248) [62.188.137.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11bd9b-0002wK-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 06:10:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 06:55:57 +0100 Subject: OvPro and TableMate Designer 2 Message-ID: <4950357eaajenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I use OvPro v.2.54 and often have to print a sheet containing a Table from TableMate. Using v.4.04h of TM I have no problems, but using the new v.5.00 of TM it gives an error that it can't handle VDU4 characters, which will not go away. ALT/BRK to kill OP then allows printing to proceed normally. (I have printing set to print in background and the error comes up when printing is about to start.) After killing OP the desktop redraw of other windows furniture ( ie slide bars, title bar etc) goes haywire and leaves bits of other windows in their place. Wiping with another window does not cure this. Does anyone have the same setup, and if so do you have any problem? I have sent a bug report to Dalriada, but no cure as yet. I don't believe that it is a problem with OP (I have tried with various versions and they all do this). It also occured with RiscOS 3.7 before I installed RiscOS 4.02, however there must be something that does not agree with the latest TM. I don't know whether it is relevant, but the same error box is produced by WimpBar2 and Organizer (if they are loaded) before it is reported by OP. These errors will cancel but both applications quit when OP is killed. Very peculiar! Cheers - -- Graham ZFC S+ jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 18:54:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107162 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 18:54:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939910975:20:21035:29; Thu, 14 Oct 99 14:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102244; 14 Oct 99 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15221 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:38:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15216 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:38:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bl3s-0006zd-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:36:52 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 99 14:34:08 GMT Message-Id: <107150@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and TableMate Designer 2 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have no problems, but using the >new v.5.00 of TM it gives an error that it can't handle VDU4 >characters, which will not go away. Please can you email me an example table that goes wrong (to the address below, not the list). The acid test would be if these tables won't print from Draw of course. I can imagine that there's something about these tables which is making OPro generate VDU4 text - some sort of error message. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 18:55:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107163 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 18:54:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939911942:20:04435:30; Thu, 14 Oct 99 14:39:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122805; 14 Oct 99 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15304 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:03:00 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15299 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:02:58 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11blTW-0005c1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 14:03:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:55:44 +0200 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: Postscript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 13 Oct, David Graddol wrote: > in6523@wlv.ac.uk wrote: > > I've encountered the problem with sprites in OPro documents when > > converting to PDF files from Postscript (because most colour > > printers are non-postscript I couldn't do the simple 'copy > > file.ps lpt1:' that works for black and white laser printers). > > > > Although the PDF files render okay on the screen (on a PC), when > > printing (on an Epson Photo700) bizarre printing artifacts > > appear, seemingly randomly and with varying degree of distortion, > > usually in the form of short vertical lines scattered across the > > picture. Converting the sprites to JPEG and reprinting/converting > > the document successfully removes the problem, suggesting it may > > be the same fault as described in this thread. And it is a > > nuisance, because Postscript level 1 (which lacks the problem?), > > produces black and white PDF files. > > > > Yes, when I produce PDFs with colour images, I find I have to use > jpegs to ensure they display OK in PDF. Usually, I am trying to > produce a screen display rather than generate PDFs for pre-press > work (otherwise having to rely on jpegs would be pretty > appalling). So, for me, the sprites/tiffs do not even display > well on the PC screen in PDF - they takes ages to render and do > so in narrow strips. There was a thread in .apps on EPS export from Vantage and Drawworks Millennium. They don't use the RO PS pdf anymore. That doesn't solve the masked Sprite issue as I understand it but it also introduces what I fear more; application dependent PostScript output. It should be solved on the OS level and include another way or translation of Sprite masking. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 18:55:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107164 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 18:55:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939912706:20:15704:29; Thu, 14 Oct 99 14:51:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108714; 14 Oct 99 14:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15290 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:02:39 +0100 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15285 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:02:37 +0100 Received: from modem-98.raloxifene.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.85.226] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11blS3-00031R-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:01:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:13:27 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Search and replace To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107074@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 14 Oct, Someone wrote: > >I recently wanted to find all occurrences of numbers followed by a full >stop (1. 2. 3. etc as in a numbered list) and replace the full stop with a >parenthesis. You could transfer your text temporarily to StrongEd and do this in one go. Then transfer it back again. Search string:- #@1"." Replace string:- @01")" Would change 1. to 1) or 2. to 2) The # is any number, @1 is a marker. There are already markers @0 and @9 at the beginning and end of the search string, so the search string actually is @0#@1"."@9 but you don't actually have to put in the @0 and @9. In the replace string @01 is the bit found between marker 0 and 1, ie the number. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e v a n a l l e n . f r e e s e r v e . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 20:54:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107187 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 20:54:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939923786:20:22238:24; Thu, 14 Oct 99 17:56:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022009; 14 Oct 99 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15922 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:23:01 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15917 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:22:59 +0100 Received: from p8.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.136] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #35) id 11boaw-0005Gq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:23:14 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:16:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:16:05 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: <6699f75049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Barry Allen wrote: > On Thu 14 Oct, Someone wrote: > > > >I recently wanted to find all occurrences of numbers followed by a full > >stop (1. 2. 3. etc as in a numbered list) and replace the full stop with a > >parenthesis. > You could transfer your text temporarily to StrongEd and do this in one > go. Then transfer it back again. > > Search string:- #@1"." > Replace string:- @01")" > > Would change 1. to 1) or 2. to 2) > > The # is any number, @1 is a marker. There are already markers @0 and @9 > at the beginning and end of the search string, so the search string > actually is @0#@1"."@9 but you don't actually have to put in the @0 > and @9. > > In the replace string @01 is the bit found between marker 0 and 1, ie the > number. Now I remember why I never got my mind around StrongEd's search and replace syntax! I tend to open up files in good old !Edit if I need to do something complicated like this. If you open the 'Wildcarded expressions' in the Edit find and replace window, you can enter: Find: #^\. Replace: ?0) which will have the same effect as the StrongEd magic described above (actually it will also work for multiple digit sequences just in case your list goes beyond 9.). Yes, I know it probably looks just as arcane, but I find the reminders of the options which you are given in the window extremely helpful. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 20:54:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107188 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 20:54:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939924265:20:28164:34; Thu, 14 Oct 99 18:04:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119636; 14 Oct 99 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA15970 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:36:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA15965 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:36:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bomo-000P2F-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 17:35:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 99 18:29:38 GMT Message-Id: <107158@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text flow around pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OK, this is now confirmed as a new bug in 2.54, as a result of my efforts adding large picture handling, text flow around anything other than sprites will often (but not always) end with an error message. Rest assured it is now fixed, and 2.55 should appear soon. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 20:54:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107193 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 20:54:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939927589:20:05785:29; Thu, 14 Oct 99 18:59:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007252; 14 Oct 99 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16131 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:30:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16126 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:30:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11bpcm-0008es-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 18:29:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 99 19:00:27 GMT Message-Id: <107175@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Postscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There was a thread in .apps on EPS export from Vantage and Drawworks >Millennium. They don't use the RO PS pdf anymore. That doesn't solve the >masked Sprite issue as I understand it but it also introduces what I >fear more; application dependent PostScript output. It should be solved >on the OS level and include another way or translation of Sprite >masking. That sounds interesting, but is it actually any different to the direct EPS export that Draw has offered since RISC OS 3.10? Presumeably avoiding the PDF means omitting a chunk of printer specific commands in the prologue? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 22:48:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107213 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 22:48:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939935438:20:09034:21; Thu, 14 Oct 99 21:10:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126829; 14 Oct 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16659 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:41:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16654 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:40:58 +0100 Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.143]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11brfX-000Gnw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 20:40:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:33:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Residual Bug - Toggle Size Icon Message-ID: <4950feb68afrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <494ee2da75rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alan Muscat wrote: > On Sun 10 Oct, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In article , Alan > > Muscat wrote: > > > On Sat 09 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > > You're right that is not desirable behaviour, and yes it has > > > > been pointed out before. Is it a bug? I suppose so but its > > > > largely because we're trying to make the window do something > > > > RISC OS isn't designed for. Notice the toggle icon never > > > > changes style. ArtWorks does the same trick. > > > > > > > > I assume I looked at fixing it and decided it was not easy. > > > > So it depends on how many people want it fixing. > > > I don't understand this. The toggle size icon changes on my > > > document windows. > > Only if you don't have the info bar attached. With the info bar > > attached, the document window can't open completely, and > > therefore the icon doesn't change to max as the window isn't > > maximised. > That would explain it. OK, so it behaves properly if the info bar is set to be detached. The problem is that it seems so natural to have the info bar follow the window. I have now set it to be detached, but I lose track of where to glance on the screen when I want to quickly check on the information that is there. Will I ever get used to it? Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.12c on RPC, SA, OS 4.02, Window Manager 4.15, Ovation Pro 2.54. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 22:48:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107214 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 22:48:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939936845:10:14404:24; Thu, 14 Oct 99 21:34:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014293; 14 Oct 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16736 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:05:36 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16731 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:05:35 +0100 Received: from modem-108.rollerskate.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.153.108] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11bs3M-0001cQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:04:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 21:12:21 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Search and replace To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <6699f75049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 14 Oct, David Graddol wrote: > Barry Allen wrote: > >Bits on search and replace in StrongEd > Now I remember why I never got my mind around StrongEd's search > and replace syntax! I seem to remember Edit could not do something that StrongEd could. Can't remember what. :-) -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e v a n a l l e n . f r e e s e r v e . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 23:30:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107218 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 23:30:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939938067:10:25758:19; Thu, 14 Oct 99 21:54:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025314; 14 Oct 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16886 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:38:50 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16881 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:38:46 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-85.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.85]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA19234 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:07:45 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:46:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: OvPro and TableMate Designer 2 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4950357eaajenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 13 Oct, Graham Jenkins wrote: > I use OvPro v.2.54 and often have to print a sheet containing a Table > from TableMate. Using v.4.04h of TM I have no problems, but using the > new v.5.00 of TM it gives an error that it can't handle VDU4 > characters, which will not go away. ALT/BRK to kill OP then allows > printing to proceed normally. (I have printing set to print in > background and the error comes up when printing is about to start.) > After killing OP the desktop redraw of other windows furniture ( ie > slide bars, title bar etc) goes haywire and leaves bits of other > windows in their place. Wiping with another window does not cure this. > > Does anyone have the same setup, and if so do you have any problem? I > have sent a bug report to Dalriada, but no cure as yet. > > I don't believe that it is a problem with OP (I have tried with > various versions and they all do this). It also occured with RiscOS > 3.7 before I installed RiscOS 4.02, however there must be something > that does not agree with the latest TM. Yes my son has problems with Impression and OS3.5 and Tablemate 5. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 14 23:30:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107220 for opro ; Thu, 14 Oct 99 23:30:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939938665:10:00995:22; Thu, 14 Oct 99 22:04:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121097; 14 Oct 99 22:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16864 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:36:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16859 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:36:18 +0100 Received: from (62.188.143.231) [62.188.143.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11bsX4-0006S7-00; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:35:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:13:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: <49510d5183tomc@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6699f75049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <6699f75049%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 14 Oct, David Graddol wrote: > Barry Allen wrote: > > On Thu 14 Oct, Someone wrote: > > > > > >I recently wanted to find all occurrences of numbers followed by a full > > >stop (1. 2. 3. etc as in a numbered list) and replace the full stop with a > > >parenthesis. > > You could transfer your text temporarily to StrongEd and do this in one > > go. Then transfer it back again. > > > > Search string:- #@1"." > > Replace string:- @01")" > > > > Would change 1. to 1) or 2. to 2) > > > > The # is any number, @1 is a marker. There are already markers @0 and @9 > > at the beginning and end of the search string, so the search string > > actually is @0#@1"."@9 but you don't actually have to put in the @0 > > and @9. > > > > In the replace string @01 is the bit found between marker 0 and 1, ie the > > number. > Now I remember why I never got my mind around StrongEd's search > and replace syntax! I tend to open up files in good old !Edit if > I need to do something complicated like this. If you open the > 'Wildcarded expressions' in the Edit find and replace window, you > can enter: > Find: #^\. > Replace: ?0) > which will have the same effect as the StrongEd magic described > above (actually it will also work for multiple digit sequences > just in case your list goes beyond 9.). Yes, I know it probably > looks just as arcane, but I find the reminders of the options > which you are given in the window extremely helpful. Thanks Barry and David x 2. When I look at the StrongEd sequence, my main question is 'how the hell did you figure that lot out?!' Cheers, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 01:22:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107227 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 01:22:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939944843:10:26408:17; Thu, 14 Oct 99 23:47:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104948; 14 Oct 99 23:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17301 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:16:43 +0100 Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net (mail05.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.42]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17296 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:16:41 +0100 Received: from www.graphitedesign.co.uk (209.238.70.142) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 18328196 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:15:51 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:13:44 +0100 Subject: Draw to frame applet Message-ID: <49511857c2richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107175@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <107175@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Apparently there is an applet to create an Opro frame from a drawfile. Could anyone point me in the right direction or email it to me? Many thanks, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk 11 Cork St, Bath BA1 3BD Tel 01225 462311 info@graphitedesign.co.uk Fax 0870 0883500 sales@graphitedesign.co.uk Corporate Design - Photography - Domain hosting -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 19:48:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107237 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 19:48:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939947576:20:12715:17; Fri, 15 Oct 99 00:32:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012709; 15 Oct 99 0:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17438 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:47:08 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17433 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 00:47:07 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip24 [129.69.189.24]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id BAA25075 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 01:00:37 +0200 Subject: Hyphenation idea Message-ID: <495117242ebellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been talking with a friend about the often seen "error" of a hyphenated word in the middle of a line. It occurs if a not so skilled user wants to hyphenate a word at the end of the line and inserts a hard hyphen instead a soft one. After the next paragraph reflow the mess is perfect. We had an idea: You already have to store two different hyphens, hard and soft ones. What about using a third kind of hyphen: the unknown hyphen. When the user enters a hard hyphen and the word is hyphenated as a consequence, then set the hyphen type to unknown. If later the text gets reflown and an unknown hyphen gets moved into the middle of a line, then ask the user whether it's what he wants or not. Then the unknown hyphen changes to a soft or hard one. What about that idea? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Zucchini: Dense, flavorless vegetable useful as ballast. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 19:49:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107245 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 19:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939971113:20:19596:22; Fri, 15 Oct 99 07:05:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019456; 15 Oct 99 7:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA18331 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:36:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA18326 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:36:23 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11c0xf-0004fL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 06:35:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:52:34 +0200 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: RE: Postscript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107175@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Thu 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >There was a thread in .apps on EPS export from Vantage and Drawworks > >Millennium. They don't use the RO PS pdf anymore. That doesn't solve the > >masked Sprite issue as I understand it but it also introduces what I > >fear more; application dependent PostScript output. It should be solved > >on the OS level and include another way or translation of Sprite > >masking. > That sounds interesting, but is it actually any different to the direct EPS > export that Draw has offered since RISC OS 3.10? The Draw EPS export uses the normal RO PS pdf. > Presumeably avoiding the PDF means omitting a chunk of printer specific > commands in the prologue? Yes and for DrawWork Mllnnm there is an imitation of the Illustrator prologue if I wasn't fooled by Timbrell's messages. You seem to find this development interesting, will we see a similar approach for Ovation Pro? Then we have four versions of PostScript output. At last we will face the same PS problems as the better known OSses and still have the nice Sprite mask problem. Such a waste of work and not RO-like at all. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 19:50:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107248 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 19:49:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939974414:20:26175:48; Fri, 15 Oct 99 08:00:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026207; 15 Oct 99 7:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA18508 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:45:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA18503 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:45:11 +0100 Received: from microlas.demon.co.uk ([158.152.237.88] helo=mld_server) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11c22G-000JTs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:44:20 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.80 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:42:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw to frame applet Message-ID: <495146f1dbandy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49511857c2richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> References: <107175@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49511857c2richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49511857c2richard@graphitedesign.co.uk>, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Hi, > Apparently there is an applet to create an Opro frame from a drawfile. > Could anyone point me in the right direction or email it to me? > Many thanks, > Richard Done! Cheers Andrw -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 21:28:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107277 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 21:28:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940014080:10:19985:22; Fri, 15 Oct 99 19:01:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107534; 15 Oct 99 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19760 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:43:49 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19755 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:43:47 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-98.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.98]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09639 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:42:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:35:11 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation idea Message-ID: <22ad825149%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495117242ebellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495117242ebellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > We had an idea: You already have to store two different hyphens, hard > and soft ones. What about using a third kind of hyphen: the unknown > hyphen. Guess what? Your wish is granted (sort of). Hard hyphen [ALT ]: Always visible. Won't be used to break for a newline using this hyphen Normal hyphen []: Always visible. May be used for a line break if needed. Soft hyphen [CTRL ]: Normally invisible. If a line break is needed mid-word it is used and becomes visible (magic :-) The confusion probably arises since a 'normal space' is also somtimes called a 'soft space', whereas a 'normal hyphen' is not the same as a 'soft hyphen' as defined above. (are these the globally correct definitions anybody? Are we all talking the same lingo now?) Brian. Minister for lexiconic Untaglement (acting) -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 21:28:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107278 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 21:28:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940014879:20:18090:27; Fri, 15 Oct 99 19:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018049; 15 Oct 99 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19753 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:43:44 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19748 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:43:42 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-98.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.98]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA09636 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:42:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:17:25 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <107074@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I recently wanted to find all occurrences of numbers followed by a full >stop (1. 2. 3. etc as in a numbered list) and replace the full stop with a >parenthesis. Dear All, This seems a good time to re-mention a feature request I made a while ago for Context searching. This method of search and replace has a third field call "Context" and could be used with the above example thus... Context: n. Find: . Replace: ) Where 'n' matches one or more numerical digits. The theory of how it works could be stated thus... While there is more document to search { Find next occurence of and label it as Limit to within { Replace occurences of with } } A context of '*' would behave as a normal search and replace, or there could be a tick-box to turn the extra field on or off (and grey it out if off), which might be more user-friendly. This feature was suggested for use in WebChange (http://www.softrock.co.uk/webchange/) and it might pop up in a future release of that software. Perhaps it can be implemented via an applet? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 15 23:04:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107298 for opro ; Fri, 15 Oct 99 23:04:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940020476:20:13239:18; Fri, 15 Oct 99 20:47:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101172; 15 Oct 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA20123 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:33:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20118 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:33:30 +0100 Received: from (194.69.99.174) [194.69.99.174] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11cE1d-00079U-00; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 21:32:30 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:59:37 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Draw to frame applet Message-ID: <495184EA14%mik@xemik.com> References: <49511857c2richard@graphitedesign.co.uk> <495146f1dbandy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495146f1dbandy@mld.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.04 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495146f1dbandy@mld.co.uk> Andrew J Bissex wrote: > Richard Cassidy wrote: > > Apparently there is an applet to create an Opro frame from a drawfile. > > Could anyone point me in the right direction or email it to me? > Done! That sounds useful. What is this called? I don't recall anything like this on the website? TIA -- As soon as you mention something; if it's good, it goes away; if it's bad, it happens. __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:05:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11cFSn-0009MP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 22:04:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 99 22:55:02 GMT Message-Id: <107295@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Postscript X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >You seem to find this development interesting, will we see a similar >approach for Ovation Pro? Then we have four versions of PostScript >output. At last we will face the same PS problems as the better known >OSses and still have the nice Sprite mask problem. Such a waste of work >and not RO-like at all. Well I don't really see the point, what Draw does (and the others I presume) results is more or less what you'd get by printing to a printer driver. The differences will be modest. You are for the most part using the RISC OS PS printer drivers, which is of course why you have the same problems. OvationPro (and Impression) on the other hand insert chunks of their own PostScript all over the place when using the PS printer drivers. I agree it would be best if all PS output was done via RISC OS, but that is not possible because RISC OS has not kept pace with PS features - e.g. irregular clipping. As you know there's been talk here that OPro should generate its own PS from scratch - that really would be different. At the end of the day PS is a language, anything I write in it which is legal should be aceptable. You only have problems if (as is often the case) you're trying to handle a sub set of the language. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 16 02:28:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107307 for opro ; Sat, 16 Oct 99 02:28:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940028937:20:29299:32; Fri, 15 Oct 99 23:08:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127373; 15 Oct 99 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20489 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:38:35 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20484 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:38:33 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip39 [129.69.189.39]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id AAA10808 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:10:47 +0200 Subject: Re: Hyphenation idea Message-ID: <495190ec13bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <22ad825149%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <495117242ebellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <22ad825149%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <22ad825149%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk>, Brian O'Carroll wrote: [snip] > Hard hyphen [ALT ]: Always visible. Won't be used to break for a > newline using this hyphen > Normal hyphen []: Always visible. May be used for a line break > if needed. > Soft hyphen [CTRL ]: Normally invisible. If a line break is > needed mid-word it is used and becomes visible (magic :-) But this is not my point (or I misunderstood you completely). The problem is, that unexperienced people _do_ insert normal hyphens in order to split words at line ends. These are hard hyphens in the sense that they are always broken if a line end is in sight and that they are visible in the middle of the word if no line end is near. At present you *have* to use a soft hyphen in order to get this right when reformatting. So the introduction of a third "yet unknown hyphen" and the associated warning method (I mentioned in my first posting) would overcome this problem. At present it can only be solved with the "use the right hyphen at first" method. This doesn't work for unexperienced users. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 2/3 of us are poor at division. The other half can't add. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 16 13:29:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107314 for opro ; Sat, 16 Oct 99 13:29:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940038269:20:08397:24; Sat, 16 Oct 99 01:44:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114460; 16 Oct 99 1:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20934 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:29:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20929 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 02:29:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11cIeC-0003Lu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:28:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 99 23:05:14 GMT Message-Id: <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I made a while ago for Context searching. This method of search and >replace has a third field call "Context" and could be used >with the above example thus... I did quite like this when you first suggested it... Now you explain it more. It reminds me that one little known thing is that if there is a selected area of text in OPro, then a search and replace is limited to just that area. >Perhaps it can be implemented via an applet? I guess you could do that. It would not be as fast as the built in s/r but it would be a way of demoing it. Using the above info it might be easy to base it on the built in s/r functions. Obviously the s/r in OPro is limited - conventional wisdom is that the worst omission is searching for styles. Beyond that I wonder if you'd like regular expressions (like programmers editors have) or this context idea... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 16 14:46:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107331 for opro ; Sat, 16 Oct 99 14:46:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940077585:20:28627:20; Sat, 16 Oct 99 12:39:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028496; 16 Oct 99 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21958 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:21:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA21953 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:21:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.84.221) [193.149.84.221] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11cSpC-0005N2-00; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 13:20:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: VinceH To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:41:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: <4951e0a136vinceh@softrock.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.5) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I made a while ago for Context searching. This method of search and > >replace has a third field call "Context" and could be used > >with the above example thus... > I did quite like this when you first suggested it... > Now you explain it more. It reminds me that one little known thing is > that if there is a selected area of text in OPro, then a search and > replace is limited to just that area. Since Brian first suggested it on the WebChange mailing list (I liked it then, and I still like it now :-), I've thought about it some more. In actual fact it's much simpler than it sounds - and slightly different to the way Brian suggested it: In the first instance, what I'll do is simply use the "context" to create new search/replace strings. Consider: Context: Only replace the word 'foo' if it appears in this sentence. Find: foo Rep With: bar The program will, in effect, internally do this: Find: Only replace the word 'foo' if it appears in this sentence. Rep With: Only replace the word 'bar' if it appears in this sentence. I'd imagine that this would be a usable approach in OP, too. (?) VinceH -- WebChange2 (lite) now available from http://www.softrock.co.uk/webchange/ Full versions available for both RISC OS and Windows 95/98 for just 12ukp -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 16 16:56:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107343 for opro ; Sat, 16 Oct 99 16:56:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940089161:20:24918:19; Sat, 16 Oct 99 15:52:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025024; 16 Oct 99 15:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22392 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:37:58 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22387 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:37:57 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FJP00J3NCPBCO@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:36:48 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:38:00 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: 2.54 crash on overtyping To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <964af65149.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all OvationPro is behaving rather wierd here and i was wondering if anyone has ever had the same problem and if it is reproducable: OvationPro 2.54 with !!!!!!!!bm !!Xref !ColPal !ColSupp !Contents !EndNotes !Fog !FontList !Grabber !IdxPro !Imposit !KSelect !LastDoc !List !MPairs !NewFrame !OArtWrks !Ovation1 !PagePal !Quality !QuickSve !Quotes !StylePal and RISC OS 4.02 I've got a rotated frame and when i double click to select the text and try to type text (and so deleting the selcted text) the machine totally freezes and when i use alt-break i can kill OvationPro and i can start it over again. Does anyone ever had the same problem, does anyone know a solution? grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:23:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107363 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:23:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940173024:10:13937:32; Sun, 17 Oct 99 15:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101621; 17 Oct 99 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24695 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:52:56 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24690 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:52:54 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-112.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.112]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA09839 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:51:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:58:55 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation idea Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495190ec13bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495190ec13bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <22ad825149%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk>, > Brian O'Carroll wrote: > > > Hard hyphen [ALT ]: Always visible. Won't be used to break for a > > newline using this hyphen > > > Normal hyphen []: Always visible. May be used for a line break > > if needed. > > > Soft hyphen [CTRL ]: Normally invisible. If a line break is > > needed mid-word it is used and becomes visible (magic :-) > > But this is not my point (or I misunderstood you completely). > > The problem is, that unexperienced people _do_ insert normal hyphens in > order to split words at line ends. Aaah! Now I see what you're saying...mmm. So perhaps .... if a person inserts a hyphen (using the unadulterated key) and, at that point in time, it causes a work break, perhaps OP could intercept it and automatically make it into a soft hyphen? It would be immediately visible as the (inexperienced) user expects, and would (magically) vanish if reformatted. That would be convienient. ( was that what you were saying) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:24:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107367 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:24:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940184906:10:14426:19; Sun, 17 Oct 99 18:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014355; 17 Oct 99 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25272 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:00:46 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25267 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:00:44 +0100 Received: from [195.102.200.163] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11cvXR-0006yg-00; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:00:14 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:58:54 +0100 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:58:18 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > > If I had to choose between them I'd go for more matching stuff - I rather > like the 'Edit' system of 'Wildcard expressions' with its comprehensive menu > of possibilities. It doesn't go as far as being able to select which found > items to inclue the replacement so some things still have to be two pass - Yes it does! Any element in the search term can be selected to be included in the replacement using the 'Field' operator. Though sometimes it is just as quick to make two passes ... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:24:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107369 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:24:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940188287:10:10690:17; Sun, 17 Oct 99 19:24:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113672; 17 Oct 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA25453 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:08:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25448 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:08:19 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.104) [194.69.104.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11cvdt-0003js-00; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:06:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Ovation Pro List Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 20:02:09 +0100 Subject: Giving up Ov Pro Message-ID: <49528cd16ebric@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have decided to give up my struggle to keep up with Ovation Pro, but before I stop lurking in this list I would like to thank its contributors for the great many interesting discussions on other topics that have helped my understanding of DTP, printing, colour processing, etc. It has been an eyeopener to hear about some of the complications that professionals encounter and the ingenious ways that problems have been overcome. If any of your contacts might be interested in buying my complete OvPro updated to floppy v2.52, please ask them to email me. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:24:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107378 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:24:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940244526:10:10893:18; Mon, 18 Oct 99 11:02:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101467; 18 Oct 99 11:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27437 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:29:57 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27432 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:29:55 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11dA32-0005zM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:29:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:29:48 +0100 Subject: Re: does !Fluff erase embedded frames Message-ID: <4952e1bf44C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30F9@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30F9@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30F9@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com>, "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" wrote: > I haven't figured this out carefully yet, but I seem to see the > following and report it early: > If !Fluff applet is set to work stripping double spaces etc in a > story, any embedded frames in that story are lost. You are quite correct. I have just tried it on a copy of a lecture course of about 60 pages, with an embedded frame on most pages. Fluff very efficiently removed every one. Just as well it was only a copy. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:25:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107387 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:25:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940269538:10:11406:37; Mon, 18 Oct 99 17:58:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011893; 18 Oct 99 17:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28537 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:41:58 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28532 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:41:57 +0100 Received: from tnt-8-132 (tnt-8-132.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.132]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 910D07B1C5 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:41:46 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:41:43 +0100 Subject: Bullet characters Message-ID: <4953094a52rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R How can I enter bullet characters from Symbol etc to the Tab Leader box in the Edit styles...Tabs window? It doesn't take the Single shift font change, and F11 doesn't work either. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:25:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107399 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:25:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940355296:10:02161:32; Tue, 19 Oct 99 17:48:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115184; 19 Oct 99 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31244 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:13:51 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31239 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:13:49 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-135.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.135]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA22661 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:13:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:13:29 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Giving up Ov Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <495386a747bric@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 19 Oct, Brian Carroll wrote: > In article , Richard > Watkinson wrote: > > On Sun 17 Oct 1999 (20:02:09 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > > I have decided to give up my struggle to keep up with Ovation Pro > > > Could you enlighten us who happily struggle on as to your reason/s > > why? > > I have used Impression Publisher and all the earlier versions for > many years so I feel thoroughly at home with it, and moreover I can > usually find the answer to a problem in the manual. That is not to > say I never learn anything new about it but in practice I can > nearly always quickly make it meet my amateur and modest requirements. > I am probably a similarly unsophisticated user but I have definitely crossed the Rubicon. There are many things I prefer about OvPro over Impression - just looking at the list of applets gives a lot of features I use but are not available in Impression. The only exception I can think of off hand is the ease with which Impression prints several pages to a sheet - perhaps I would find this as easy in OvPro if I really tried. I would find it a frustrating step backwards now to re-adjust to Impression, and, I would certainly resent using a package that has been spurned by its creators. I do agree about the manual, but there is a new one on the way as I recall! Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:28:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107403 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:28:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940090854:20:06362:29; Sat, 16 Oct 99 16:20:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114544; 16 Oct 99 16:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22472 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:07:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22467 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:07:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11cWLE-000N25-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 16:05:56 +0000 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 99 17:02:48 GMT Message-Id: <107347@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2.54 crash on overtyping X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've got a rotated frame and when i double click to select the text and try >to type text (and so deleting the selcted text) the machine totally freezes >and when i use alt-break i can kill OvationPro and i can start it over again. As people have said, control+escape is worth a long hard press, just in case it is an applet that is to blame - this key press stops scripts running. After that I would be inclined to play with different ways of deleting the text. After that I would probably be saving the doc as DDL and reloading and then see if the problem persists. Obviously you could try unrotating the frame, but somehow I don't think that is to blame. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:28:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107404 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:28:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940093224:20:23740:22; Sat, 16 Oct 99 17:00:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102750; 16 Oct 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22612 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:45:36 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22607 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:45:34 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FJP00E9WFU0EA@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:44:25 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:45:59 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: 2.54 crash on overtyping In-reply-to: <107347@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1084fc5149.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <107347@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <107347@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >I've got a rotated frame and when i double click to select the text and > >try to type text (and so deleting the selcted text) the machine totally > >freezes and when i use alt-break i can kill OvationPro and i can start it > >over again. > > As people have said, control+escape is worth a long hard press, just in > case it is an applet that is to blame - this key press stops scripts > running. Didn't pick that one up, it /is/ an applet, ctrl-escape stops the freeze and i can work on again. When i got a bit more time i'll find out what script is causing the problem > > After that I would be inclined to play with different ways of deleting the > text. I did that, select the text and then press del works. Ctrl-X not since it is a shortcut for something and I haven't find out what it is doing. > > After that I would probably be saving the doc as DDL and reloading and > then see if the problem persists. > > Obviously you could try unrotating the frame, but somehow I don't think > that is to blame. > Thanks a lot I don't have much time now, but after i've finished the document i'm working on i'll try to locate the bug and tell it to the right person grt -- _pP#y ' _ ;F _ ;F Steven M. Ottens M[ $P 0^.# 0^.# O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs `""^ `"^ `"^ http://www.ottensdutchdesigns.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:29:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107413 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:29:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940173698:20:08414:17; Sun, 17 Oct 99 15:21:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008367; 17 Oct 99 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24688 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:52:44 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24683 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:52:42 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-112.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.112]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA09836 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:51:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 12:51:04 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Now you explain it more. It reminds me that one little known thing is that > if there is a selected area of text in OPro, then a search and replace is > limited to just that area. Wow! I'll be using that then. > Obviously the s/r in OPro is limited - conventional wisdom is that > the worst omission is searching for styles. A thought that just occured to me wrt searching for styles... the data entry boxes hamper this - if the search for box was more like a little document then all the tools available for creating documents could be used - style pallets etc. > Beyond that I wonder > if you'd like regular expressions (like programmers editors have) > or this context idea... Both! If I had to choose between them I'd go for more matching stuff - I rather like the 'Edit' system of 'Wildcard expressions' with its comprehensive menu of possibilities. It doesn't go as far as being able to select which found items to inclue the replacement so some things still have to be two pass - but they're possible. Context makes it less technical, and could be more user friendly. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:29:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107418 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:29:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940195138:20:26977:17; Sun, 17 Oct 99 21:18:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026695; 17 Oct 99 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25789 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:41:53 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25784 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:41:52 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip41 [129.69.189.41]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA24116 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 22:39:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Hyphenation idea Message-ID: <495295c4a2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: References: <495190ec13bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Brian O'Carroll wrote: [snip] > Aaah! Now I see what you're saying...mmm. > So perhaps .... if a person inserts a hyphen (using the unadulterated > key) and, at that point in time, it causes a work break, > perhaps OP could intercept it and automatically make it into a soft > hyphen? Hm, that would simplify things a little bit, but ... > It would be immediately visible as the (inexperienced) user expects, > and would (magically) vanish if reformatted. .... on occasions a real hard hyphen would be wanted, but can't be inserted without reformatting the line, otherwise always a soft hyphen would be inserted as you suggest. > That would be convienient. An easy way, but not the perfect one. > ( was that what you were saying) In principle, yes, but see above. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 VirusScan Message: Windows 3.1 found: Remove it? (Y/n) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:29:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107423 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:29:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940237899:20:28769:102; Mon, 18 Oct 99 09:11:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106087; 18 Oct 99 9:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27159 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:49:06 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27154 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:48:53 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05871 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA05839 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 04:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:33:35 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30F9@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: does !Fluff erase embedded frames Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:33:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I haven't figured this out carefully yet, but I seem to see the following and report it early: If !Fluff applet is set to work stripping double spaces etc in a story, any embedded frames in that story are lost. (Embedded frames are anchored to a point in the text & move down when you type text above them) Maybe this is a logical bug, or maybe it is an artefact of low memory availability on my 4M A5000? Christopher Howe, Bath -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:29:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107427 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:29:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940243249:20:22246:18; Mon, 18 Oct 99 10:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101593; 18 Oct 99 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27355 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:21:45 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27350 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:21:43 +0100 Received: from modem-83.methcathinone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.78.211] helo=celtania) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11d9v3-0001Vm-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:21:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 11:17:52 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: <8da7e05249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > > > > > > If I had to choose between them I'd go for more matching stuff - I rather > > like the 'Edit' system of 'Wildcard expressions' with its comprehensive menu > > of possibilities. It doesn't go as far as being able to select which found > > items to inclue the replacement so some things still have to be two pass - > > Yes it does! Any element in the search term can be selected to > be included in the replacement using the 'Field' operator. Though > sometimes it is just as quick to make two passes ... > > David > 'Edit' with the wildcard expressions offers an extremely powerful S/R facility once the syntax is understood. I often transfer text between OP and Edit just to use S/R but of course this can't include style settings (except by transferring DDL to/from Edit). - If only OP had Edit's S/R capabilities! - S/R on styles would be a bonus too. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:30:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107439 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:30:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940267764:20:10807:27; Mon, 18 Oct 99 17:29:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111559; 18 Oct 99 17:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28402 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:08:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28397 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 18:08:18 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dGGV-000A11-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:08:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:09:45 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: does !Fluff erase embedded frames To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <4952e1bf44C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 18 Oct, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article > <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30F9@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com>, > "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" wrote: > > > I haven't figured this out carefully yet, but I seem to see the > > following and report it early: > > > If !Fluff applet is set to work stripping double spaces etc in a > > story, any embedded frames in that story are lost. > > You are quite correct. I have just tried it on a copy of a lecture > course of about 60 pages, with an embedded frame on most pages. Fluff > very efficiently removed every one. Just as well it was only a copy. > > Chris > I reported this effect, privately, to David some while back. Perhaps I should have posted to this list? There are circumstances when not all embedded frames are removed, but I'm hanged if I can remember them now. John -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:31:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107445 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:31:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940274947:20:12018:18; Mon, 18 Oct 99 19:29:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012008; 18 Oct 99 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28826 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:12:37 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA28821 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:12:35 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-28.access.ch [193.246.42.220]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id VAA16107 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:12:22 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 20:57:24 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: control+F2 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <107078@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 14 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >I like the new control+F2 feature to close the document. Would it be > >possible to have OPro move the input focus to the next OPro document > >window in the stack if there is more than one document open? Personal > >Accounts is able to do this when a window is closed. > > Possible yes. RISC OS compliant probably not... I've been absent for many days because of other priorities. Based on my version of Personal Accounts I wonder if what is stated above about Personal Accounts is correct. One cannot open a 2nd file. Unless it has been set up to neglect saving data when loading a new file... I did not yet have time to evaluate the "control+F2" feature. It might give me problems with the new A4 manual. ---- Am now trying to catch up on many mailings. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:31:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107446 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:31:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940278930:20:00006:45; Mon, 18 Oct 99 20:35:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000049; 18 Oct 99 20:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA28984 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:04:15 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28979 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:04:13 +0100 Received: from (193.149.91.87) [193.149.91.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11dJ0i-00030X-00; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 21:04:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:01:08 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Giving up Ov Pro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 17 Oct 1999 (20:02:09 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I have decided to give up my struggle to keep up with Ovation Pro Could you enlighten us who happily struggle on as to your reason/s why? -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 19:32:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107466 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:32:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940352267:20:11135:24; Tue, 19 Oct 99 16:57:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103760; 19 Oct 99 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA31148 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:32:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31143 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:32:57 +0100 Received: from (194.69.105.182) [194.69.105.182] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11dcBd-0003Dx-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:32:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:31:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Giving up Ov Pro Message-ID: <495386a747bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Richard Watkinson wrote: > On Sun 17 Oct 1999 (20:02:09 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I have decided to give up my struggle to keep up with Ovation Pro > Could you enlighten us who happily struggle on as to your reason/s > why? May I emphasise that the shortcomings that led to that decision are mainly /mine/, not OvPro's. I have the greatest respect and admiration for David P's abilities and his determination to continue its development. It is with regret that I've decided to give up. I have used Impression Publisher and all the earlier versions for many years so I feel thoroughly at home with it, and moreover I can usually find the answer to a problem in the manual. That is not to say I never learn anything new about it but in practice I can nearly always quickly make it meet my amateur and modest requirements. I'm sure OvPro is a more versatile DTP package and there is no doubt from the comments of the professionals who use it that there are all kinds of magic things it can do that ImpPub can't, but I simply don't need them or at least can manage without. The problem is that my memory is now just not good enough to recall all the quirks and tweaks that have been introduced during the past 3 years; the manual is now badly in need of an update; and I find it too demanding to have to keep searching the mail list for information. It would be different I suppose if I were doing lots of DTP work, day in day out, but I'm not. In contrast, Pluto is an application of similar complexity and maturity; it has similar fast and dedicated support from its author via a mail list; it is constantly acquiring new features; and I have used it for about the same length of time as OvPro. But because I use it every day I can keep up with it and even contribute a bit to its improvement; even there, I wish its documentation had kept up with development. In other words, the time and effort I have to put into using Pluto is commensurate with the value I get from it. This is not the case with OvPro for me. Brian. PS. I have sold my OvPro to Andrew Nurmahi: please welcome him when he appears on the mail list :-) -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 19 23:02:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107523 for opro ; Tue, 19 Oct 99 23:02:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940363133:10:09402:18; Tue, 19 Oct 99 19:58:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114173; 19 Oct 99 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA31641 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:42:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA31636 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:42:20 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.69) [193.149.77.69] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11df8s-0001KZ-00; Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:41:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:05:23 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Giving up Ov Pro Message-ID: <49538F4AC5%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Richard Watkinson wrote: > On Sun 17 Oct 1999 (20:02:09 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I have decided to give up my struggle to keep up with Ovation Pro > Could you enlighten us who happily struggle on as to your reason/s why? I must take exception to the above comments, however lightly they may have meant to be taken. Struggle? Compared Word it's a cinch to learn OPro. I jumped from the Impression ship because David is continuing to develop OPro & I detest Windoze. It took me a couple of months to stop thinking 'Impression' but it was never a struggle. Except, perhaps, getting sensible frames around Drawfiles. ;-) All due to the help & advice from all the regulars here, I'm sure. Thanks everyone. -- The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to... to... em... __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 02:21:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dkR4-000JEA-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:21:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 99 23:07:48 GMT Message-Id: <107527@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Was - Giving up Ov Pro, now Impression,EPS,OPI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have used Impression Publisher and all the earlier versions for >many years I suppose I should summon up the spectre of the day when Impression ceases to work on RISC OS... I've been looking at the EPS functionality in Impression in recent weeks. Anyone notice that on ROS4 a module called 'tiffutils' seems to fall over when loading EPS files with previews? It seems to me that Publisher offers no image processing on EPS files, and I intend to do the same. If anyone has any deep insights into how EPS or OPI should work, now would be a good time to say. I've yet to see any sign of OPI functioning, wonder what the trick is? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:12:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107570 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 14:12:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940387729:10:08492:18; Wed, 20 Oct 99 02:48:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008327; 20 Oct 99 2:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32489 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:30:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32480 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:30:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dlVo-000Evp-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 02:30:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 99 03:22:04 GMT Message-Id: <107560@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bullet characters X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How can I enter bullet characters from Symbol etc to the Tab Leader box >in the Edit styles...Tabs window? You can't... I think the hard way to do this is to apply the Symbol font as an effect in the document. The clever way would be to have a linked style for the leader text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:12:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107576 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 14:12:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940416268:10:07471:17; Wed, 20 Oct 99 10:44:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121093; 20 Oct 99 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00838 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:37 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00833 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:35 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-85.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.85]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA17654 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:54:04 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4951e0a136vinceh@softrock.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4951e0a136vinceh@softrock.co.uk> VinceH wrote: > Since Brian first suggested it on the WebChange mailing list (I liked > it then, and I still like it now :-), I've thought about it some more. > In actual fact it's much simpler than it sounds - and slightly different > to the way Brian suggested it: > > In the first instance, what I'll do is simply use the "context" to > create new search/replace strings. Consider: > > Context: Only replace the word 'foo' if it appears in this sentence. > Find: foo > Rep With: bar > > The program will, in effect, internally do this: > > Find: Only replace the word 'foo' if it appears in this sentence. > Rep With: Only replace the word 'bar' if it appears in this sentence. > > I'd imagine that this would be a usable approach in OP, too. (?) > This approach does loose a very important power in the translation... (if I read the translation correctly). ....a wildcard in the Context field can enable an otherwise complex operation very simple. eg: Context: ###\t### Find: \t Replace: )\t Where in my imaginary wildcard set up...# stands for a single numerical character, and '\t' is a tab character. This will find any 3 numbers follwed by a tab then (any) three more numbers, and put a bracket before the tab. In OP, or Edit, this operation needs about 4 passes since there are two sets of 'dont change these' (the ###'s) in the search specification - you'd have to mark it ( {here}###\t### ) then put another mark ( {here}###{here2}\t### ) then replace the second mark, and then remove the first! This is why, given the choice, I'd prefer really powerful wildcards to a context field: the context field is most powerful in conjunction with the wildcards. Without them it's just another way of saying it, not necessarily with less passes, as your translation demonstrates. Does that now seem more complicated that it was? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:12:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107577 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 14:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940416353:10:07358:78; Wed, 20 Oct 99 10:45:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008062; 20 Oct 99 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00845 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:49 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00840 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:47 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-85.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.85]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA17658 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 10:24:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 00:10:32 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Hyphenation idea Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495295c4a2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <495295c4a2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > > It would be immediately visible as the (inexperienced) user expects, > > and would (magically) vanish if reformatted. > > ... on occasions a real hard hyphen would be wanted, but can't be > inserted without reformatting the line, otherwise always a soft hyphen > would be inserted as you suggest. I'd meant to stress that OP would intercept the insertion: if the insertion caused a line break at that new hyphen (ie: it is inserted into a long word at the start of a new line when there is a modest gap at the end of the previous one) only then would it be converted to a soft hyphen.... ....but, maybe I did stress this, and what you're saying is that sometimes you'd want to insert a real 'keep-this-visible-in-this-word-all-the-time- even-if-it-does-not-cause-a-line-break-in-the-future' -hyphen even when such insertion _does_ immediately cause a line break... er... mm. Humph. Perhaps the best solution is to make inexperienced users more experienced. I know, let's write this somewhere big... Hard hyphen ALT : Always visible. Won't be used as a word break for a newline. Normal hyphen : Always visible. May be used for a line break if needed. Soft hyphen CTRL : Normally invisible. BUT, if a line break is needed mid-word it is used and becomes visible. ....then everyone (?) will know what to do.... :-) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 14:13:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107583 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 14:13:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940424207:10:10822:36; Wed, 20 Oct 99 12:56:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119616; 20 Oct 99 12:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01359 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:13:31 +0100 Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01351 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 13:13:28 +0100 Received: from netvision.net.il (RAS2-p64.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.161.192]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.9.3/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA31636 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:12:51 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:12:54 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en-GB, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Was - Giving up Ov Pro, now Impression,EPS,OPI References: <107527@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >I have used Impression Publisher and all the earlier versions for > >many years > > I suppose I should summon up the spectre of the day when Impression > ceases to work on RISC OS... No problem with that, but please prepare OvationPro to take over by giving it at least all of the functionality of Publisher. I believe that what it still needs are the following: Draw file frame border control (PLEASE, that's really needed!) A 'keep together' attribute for paragraphs. Real widow/orphan control would be nice, but Publisher doesn't have it either. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 18:02:10 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107595 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 18:02:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940430074:20:15294:187; Wed, 20 Oct 99 14:34:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106896; 20 Oct 99 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01605 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:30:10 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01600 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:30:08 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.246] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11dwkv-00002M-00; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 15:30:22 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:28:24 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 14:28:05 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA01601 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB01605 "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > Context: ###\t### > Find: \t > Replace: )\t >=20 > Where in my imaginary wildcard set up...# stands for a single numerical > character, and '\t' is a tab character. >=20 > This will find any 3 numbers follwed by a tab then (any) three more num= bers, > and put a bracket before the tab. In OP, or Edit, this operation needs = about > 4 passes since there are two sets of 'dont change these' (the ###'s) in= the > search specification - you'd have to mark it ( {here}###\t### ) then pu= t > another mark ( {here}###{here2}\t### ) then replace the second mark, an= d then > remove the first! >=20 Well, this *can* be done in one pass with Edit using wildcards (and, therefore, by using an edit style find and replace) Find: ###=8409### Replace: ?0?1?2)=84?3?4?5 would do it in one pass in Edit (where =84 is the hex wildcard character). It specifies Find digit, digit, digit, tab, digit, digit digit Replace: wildcard field 0, wildcard field 1, ... etc David --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 18:02:25 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107597 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 18:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940388448:20:18557:17; Wed, 20 Oct 99 03:00:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117920; 20 Oct 99 3:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA32506 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 03:30:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA32311 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 02:24:55 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11dkUN-000JEA-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 01:24:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 99 23:17:00 GMT Message-Id: <107531@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: control+F2 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did not yet have time to evaluate the "control+F2" feature. It might >give me problems with the new A4 manual. After you hit F2 to close the document, a neat thing is that when the Save Discard Cancel window appears, you can just press S, D or C to continue. (any day now you'll be able to control everything without using the moose, just like Windows...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 18:08:06 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107610 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 18:08:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940406467:20:02992:18; Wed, 20 Oct 99 08:01:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114035; 20 Oct 99 8:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA00636 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:41:29 +0100 Received: from wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00631 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:41:27 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA24829 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:40:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA03962 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:40:53 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: control+F2 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 08:40:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf1ace$57bf6750$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <107531@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David P wrote: > (any day now you'll be able to control everything without using the moose, > just like Windows...) Is that the GNU version of Windows ;-) TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 18:49:47 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107629 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 18:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940440756:20:07919:250; Wed, 20 Oct 99 17:32:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112086; 20 Oct 99 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02075 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:46:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02070 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:46:46 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.197) [62.188.130.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11dysI-0002IE-00; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:46:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 17:46:52 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Search and replace Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 19 Oct 1999 (23:54:04 +0100), pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk wrote: > Context: ###\t### > Find: \t > Replace: )\t > > Where in my imaginary wildcard set up...# stands for a single numerical > character, and '\t' is a tab character. > > This will find any 3 numbers follwed by a tab then (any) three more > numbers, and put a bracket before the tab. In OP, or Edit, this > operation needs about 4 passes Surely in Edit, with wildcards, it's (one pass only) Find ###X09### Replace ?0?1?2)X09?3?4?5 Which says find 3 digits,a tab, three digits and replace with first found second found etc (Where the X stands for the real wildcard character which is ALT 132 and is on the bottom right of the wildcard window and which due to the limitations of Posty I can't enter) But true that's not possible in OvPro. In that context the 'context' field would be a great addition. Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 21:11:35 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107643 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 21:11:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940445478:20:06337:17; Wed, 20 Oct 99 18:51:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129170; 20 Oct 99 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02307 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:34:20 +0100 Received: from uucp2.mail.uk.psi.net (uucp2.mail.uk.psi.net [154.32.105.66]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02302 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:34:18 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by uucp2.mail.uk.psi.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id TAA10491 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:26:06 +0100 (BST) Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA11104; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 07:59:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:58:35 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: <495373342B%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8da7e05249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <8da7e05249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Roger Morris wrote: > 'Edit' with the wildcard expressions offers an extremely powerful S/R > facility once the syntax is understood. I often transfer text between > OP and Edit just to use S/R but of course this can't include style > settings (except by transferring DDL to/from Edit). - If only OP had > Edit's S/R capabilities! - S/R on styles would be a bonus too. It's many years since I last used Edit, but IIRC one of my reasons for abandoning it was that its search and replace facilities are so crude. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 22:17:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107675 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 22:17:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940453698:10:15459:28; Wed, 20 Oct 99 21:08:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125770; 20 Oct 99 21:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02673 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:52:48 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02668 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:52:45 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-104.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.104]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA25750 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:51:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:42:44 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Small feature idea Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I would like to be able to convert, via a nice icon/menu selection, a multicolumn frame into the equivilent number of positioned and flow-linked single column frames. Also, the reciprical operation - where a number of frames are ombined into a single frame with as many columns as the individual frame had between them, with the contents of the frames chained together (might be hard to determine the order in which to do this!) For this I suppose something would be lost - individual heights and widths, differing gaps, but I suppose the new fame ought to cover the area of the bounding box of the selected frames. (I was going to suggest enabling multicolmun frames to have differing column width, but that seemed like the hard way of doing the above!) I would use this a lot myself - I often find myself converting from a multi-column frame to two seperate frames because of a special formatting requirement. Add that to the list (there is a list somewhere, isn't there?) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 23:30:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107678 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 23:30:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940454766:10:27051:25; Wed, 20 Oct 99 21:26:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027067; 20 Oct 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02791 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:10:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02786 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:10:35 +0100 Received: from (194.69.106.111) [194.69.106.111] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11e2za-0001Sl-00; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:09:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 19:46:34 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Was - Giving up Ov Pro, now Impression,EPS,OPI Message-ID: <495416E644%mik@xemik.com> References: <107527@pilling.demon.co.uk> <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il> In-Reply-To: <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.07 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il> Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > No problem with that, but please prepare OvationPro to take over by > giving it at least all of the functionality of Publisher. I believe > that what it still needs are the following: > > Draw file frame border control (PLEASE, that's really needed!) This (& table lines) is one of the few things I miss from Publisher. To reproduce a simple form I had to use 4 drawfies frames around the edge of the main frame. -- It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:52:33 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-104.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.104]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA25747 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:51:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:36:12 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB02666 In message David Graddol wrote: > Well, this *can* be done in one pass with Edit using wildcards > (and, therefore, by using an edit style find and replace) >=20 > Find: ###=8409### > Replace: ?0?1?2)=84?3?4?5 >=20 > would do it in one pass in Edit (where =84 is the hex wildcard > character). It specifies > Find digit, digit, digit, tab, digit, digit digit > Replace: wildcard field 0, wildcard field 1, ... etc Hey! So that's what 'Field# ?' means. Doh! Thanks for the info. Can we have context anyway? :-) Brian. --=20 Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 20 23:30:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107681 for opro ; Wed, 20 Oct 99 23:30:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940455036:10:00377:19; Wed, 20 Oct 99 21:30:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104087; 20 Oct 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02730 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:02:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02725 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 22:02:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11e2rk-000L3x-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 20 Oct 1999 21:01:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 99 21:34:31 GMT Message-Id: <107654@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing Problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As I understand it, there are a couple of major printing problems. I've had some communication with ROSL about these today, and its to their considerable credit that something has been done... (1) The combination of enhanced justification + tracking leads to a ragged right hand edge on Acorn printer drivers, but not on screen or on CC drivers. This is a bug in RISC OS and has now been fixed. (2) The level 2 PS driver does not handle masked sprites correctly. Apparently this is a limitation of level 2 PostScript - end of story. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 15:28:54 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107720 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:28:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940514618:20:24953:22; Thu, 21 Oct 99 14:03:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127838; 21 Oct 99 14:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05207 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:34:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05202 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 14:34:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eILD-000KUo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 13:33:15 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 14:05:01 GMT Message-Id: <107711@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing Problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >(2) The level 2 PS driver does not handle masked sprites correctly. >Apparently this is a limitation of level 2 PostScript - end of story. Oh dear, I didn't put that clearly enough. What I am refering to here is the problems printing colour sprites with masks to the level 2 driver when the Colour option is selected. If you do this the mask is ignored and the whole sprite given a white background. I am not talking about Nick Kaijaks problems with apparently corrupt data in PS files. Thats another problem which ROSL have looked at. My aims in saying this are two fold, firstly to point out that ROSL are actually going where Acorn feared to tread. Secondly to ask if there are any other serious printing problems outstanding. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 15:45:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107732 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:45:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940493862:10:04554:30; Thu, 21 Oct 99 08:17:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004341; 21 Oct 99 8:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04226 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:00:02 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04219 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 09:00:00 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.185] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11eE4r-0004SR-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:00:05 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:51:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 08:51:09 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <107654@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > (1) The combination of enhanced justification + tracking leads > to a ragged right hand edge on Acorn printer drivers, but not > on screen or on CC drivers. > > This is a bug in RISC OS and has now been fixed. > This is great news. Does this mean that new releases of RO4 will have the bug fixed? Or is it part of the printer driver? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 15:45:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107737 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:45:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940502031:10:26062:20; Thu, 21 Oct 99 10:33:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025878; 21 Oct 99 10:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04602 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:10:46 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04597 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:10:44 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eFBQ-00058N-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:10:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 10:30:17 +0200 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Printing Problems... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107654@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 20 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > (2) The level 2 PS driver does not handle masked sprites correctly. > > Apparently this is a limitation of level 2 PostScript - end of story. Strange that the PS2 driver was made with that handicap in the first place. I hope that is not the last we read about it. A nice filter in the Ovation output that replaces the masked sprites with irregular clipped bitmaps of your own design and then printed with an Ovation PS 2/3 printerdriver? With that I'm no longer supporting the RO solution. But if there is one application that should have the best PS driver it should be the DTP program. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 15:45:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107738 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:45:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940506136:10:21071:21; Thu, 21 Oct 99 11:42:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116547; 21 Oct 99 11:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04760 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:09:10 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04755 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:09:08 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16967 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:08:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07258 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:08:20 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Printing Problems... Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 12:07:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf1bb4$710046d0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Ernst wrote: > In on Wed 20 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > (2) The level 2 PS driver does not handle masked sprites correctly. > > > > Apparently this is a limitation of level 2 PostScript - end of story. > > Strange that the PS2 driver was made with that handicap in the first > place. I hope that is not the last we read about it. Indeed not. I'm continuing to discuss things with RISC OS Ltd to try to find a satisfactory resolution. However, it's proving difficult, as it appears that the output produced by the Level 2 driver is entirely in accordance with the PS Red Book standards. Whether it actually works on a real printer seems to be at least in part dependent on the interpreter used, which is obviously outside our control. > A nice filter in the Ovation output that replaces the masked sprites > with irregular clipped bitmaps of your own design and then printed with > an Ovation PS 2/3 printerdriver? With that I'm no longer supporting the > RO solution. But if there is one application that should have the best > PS driver it should be the DTP program. Not entirely trivial, I fear. One assumes that Acorn had a good reason to take this particular approach to sprite rendering, as it's not the most obvious way to do it. Having said that, if someone *were* to write a better sprite renderer, it oughtn't to be too hard for RISC OS Ltd to slot it into the RISC OS system to work system-wide, if that someone were to work in co-operation. All we need now is that someone ;-/ TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:17:41 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107751 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:17:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940520577:20:12427:20; Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:42:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111028; 21 Oct 99 15:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05474 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:04:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05465 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:04:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eJkV-000BFq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:03:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:50:55 GMT Message-Id: <107746@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Strange that the PS2 driver was made with that handicap in the first >place. I hope that is not the last we read about it. Well as I said the problem is with level 2 PS not with the driver. Interestingly there is a document on the Adobe web site devoted to the subject of masked bitmaps - but it is level 3 specific. The point being that obviously this is a troublesome area. >A nice filter in the Ovation output that replaces the masked sprites >with irregular clipped bitmaps of your own design Thats a good idea. Scan the sprite and turn it into irregular clip areas. The code would be similar to Trace. Its all highly doable. It also made me thing this. If you set OPro to flow text around a graphic, not only does it set up an irregular repel curve, it also sets up an irregular picture clipping curve. So immediately you have a solution for masked images. It would not be much more work to add an option that just sets the clip curve to the transparent areas. However as usual I wonder just how many people are worried by this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:17:44 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107752 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:17:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940520960:20:17321:20; Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:49:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117550; 21 Oct 99 15:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05484 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:04:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05476 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:04:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eJkq-000BFq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:03:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:59:02 GMT Message-Id: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? Shall I take the 'Schroedingers cat' approach... claim to support OPI and wait to see if anyone actually tries to use it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:17:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107754 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:17:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940522142:10:08672:46; Thu, 21 Oct 99 16:09:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007813; 21 Oct 99 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05460 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:04:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05455 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:04:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eJkT-000BFq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 15:03:25 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 15:50:48 GMT Message-Id: <107744@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> (1) The combination of enhanced justification + tracking leads >> to a ragged right hand edge on Acorn printer drivers, but not >> on screen or on CC drivers. >This is great news. Does this mean that new releases of RO4 will >have the bug fixed? Or is it part of the printer driver? I believe that the bug fix will appear as a revised version of !Printers. In due course, I don't think ROSL will welcome being hassled by people wanting a fixed version. However the core problem is with the font manager, which they've also fixed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:17:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107756 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:17:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940524006:10:01945:26; Thu, 21 Oct 99 16:40:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124006; 21 Oct 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05812 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:57:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05807 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:57:07 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.149) [193.149.76.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eKZd-0003CL-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:56:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Randall) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:53:38 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Another Printing Problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R My apologies if this has been covered before but I do not always have time do read all the news articles. My problem is that OvPro (2.54) won't print a document with any jpegs in, although it is fine if they are converted into sprites. Any ideas or solutions welcome. Colin -- The Parishes of Croglin, Holme Eden, Warwick-on-Eden and Wetheral http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/carandall The Christian Acorn User Group http://www.acorn.co.uk/developers/explan/ _____________________ carandall@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:18:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107759 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:17:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940525106:10:15430:20; Thu, 21 Oct 99 16:58:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015376; 21 Oct 99 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06038 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:39:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06030 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:39:42 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.161) [193.149.74.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eLEq-0003yp-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:38:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:40:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #265 Message-ID: <49548f2fe5colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910210800.JAA04235@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199910210800.JAA04235@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 21 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > (1) The combination of enhanced justification + tracking leads > to a ragged right hand edge on Acorn printer drivers, but not > on screen or on CC drivers. > This is a bug in RISC OS and has now been fixed. for RO4 is that ? I hope so Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:18:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107760 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:18:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940525433:10:19693:18; Thu, 21 Oct 99 17:03:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128528; 21 Oct 99 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06021 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:39:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06016 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:39:36 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.161) [193.149.74.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eLEk-0003yp-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:38:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:30:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #264 Message-ID: <49548e467fcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910191943.UAA31650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199910191943.UAA31650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > I jumped from the Impression ship because David is continuing to > develop OPro & I detest Windoze. It took me a couple of months to > stop thinking 'Impression' but it was never a struggle. Except, > perhaps, getting sensible Just hang on a minute, before this degrades into a newsgroup type discussion/flame war. I always have used Ovation then OvnPro, I was constantly pestered to use Impression, but on the other hand I can fully understand the above comments about 'struggling' - as I could not spend the time and effort to learn Impression and thus found it a srtuggle to get used to it - so I gave up. My brother on the other hand ( a computer programmer ) finds Ovation a 'struggle' and uses Impression. It is a matter of the 'style of working' difference - they are both good. I just thank God that David saw fit to implement line drawing ability in the first Ovation - how anyone uses a DTP package that can't even draw a simple line is beyond me. Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:32:15 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107772 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:32:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940522823:20:10054:58; Thu, 21 Oct 99 16:20:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009884; 21 Oct 99 16:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05693 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:36:46 +0100 Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05688 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:36:43 +0100 Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05723 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05712 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:35:50 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA3103@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Cc: Paul Beverley Subject: Giving up Impression Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 16:35:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I pulled the plug (dongle) on Impression because it was not being developed further. Same with turbodrivers I suppose. I agree it's a good program, but unless the source code is 'live', being turned over regularly and emerging probs being fixed, I would say such a program is only suitable (from a risk-management point of view) for hobby use at best. Are they in a position to re-compile all the source, or issue updates, if some external factor changes so it won't work? Let's hope they are. In any case, unlike quill and parchment, computers don't last 1000 weeks let alone 1000 years, so any important personal letters (which is what I mainly use it for) really need printing out, if one doesn't want to lose the records... Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 20 October 1999 00:07 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Was - Giving up Ov Pro, now Impression,EPS,OPI > > > >I have used Impression Publisher and all the earlier versions for > >many years > > I suppose I should summon up the spectre of the day when Impression > ceases to work on RISC OS... > > David Pilling > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 19:32:31 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107776 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:32:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940526592:20:06606:21; Thu, 21 Oct 99 17:23:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006503; 21 Oct 99 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06028 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:39:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA06023 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:39:40 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.161) [193.149.74.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eLEo-0003yp-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:38:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:38:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #265 Message-ID: <49548f0043colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910210800.JAA04235@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199910210800.JAA04235@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 21 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > You can't... > I think the hard way to do this is to apply the Symbol font as > an effect in the document. The clever way would be to have a > linked style for the leader text. I tried this - and if I understand correctly, if you know the ALT number, and you can find that out using the character window in OvnPro then just type ALT183 or ALT143 and you get a bullet in the box. Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 20:23:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107782 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:22:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940531440:10:06716:18; Thu, 21 Oct 99 18:44:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106483; 21 Oct 99 18:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06669 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06659 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eMvw-000Det-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:27:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:23:02 GMT Message-Id: <107763@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another Printing Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My apologies if this has been covered before but I do not always have time do >read all the news articles. Many many times. >My problem is that OvPro (2.54) won't print a document with any jpegs in, >although it is fine if they are converted into sprites. See the mail list archives for August 1997 - on the web sites below. On 2.54 the fix is probably less painful, Printer Choices, tick 'Preprint pass'. Which will get you out of trouble with Turbos, for Laser Direct though more messing about is needed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 20:23:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107784 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:23:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940531447:10:06829:17; Thu, 21 Oct 99 18:44:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006809; 21 Oct 99 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06500 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:05:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA06495 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:05:51 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.133) [193.149.71.133] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eMaC-0005l7-00; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:05:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:59:09 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Bullets. Was: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #265 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 21 Oct 1999 (17:38:24 +0100), colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On 21 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: >> You can't... > >> I think the hard way to do this is to apply the Symbol font as >> an effect in the document. The clever way would be to have a >> linked style for the leader text. > >I tried this - and if I understand correctly, if you know the ALT >number, and you can find that out using the character window in OvnPro >then just type ALT183 or ALT143 and you get a bullet in the >box. Or set !Keystroke up to do the bullet for you? I find Keystroke and OPro a pretty good combination for this sort of thing. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 20:23:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107786 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:23:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940532471:10:19687:22; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:01:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107131; 21 Oct 99 19:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06847 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:45:50 +0100 Received: from wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06842 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:45:49 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by wisteria.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA16533 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:44:58 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA21100 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:44:57 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Last chance for OPI... Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:43:48 +0100 Message-ID: <000001bf1bf4$3630c800$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R DP wrote: > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? Depends if it works ;-) Seriously, I've taken the approach of being quite lean and mean with the way I use images, since there hasn't been the support there previously. Certainly, if the option to use OPI were there, it would open up more doors to meander through, as the new referenced image features have already done. > Shall I take the 'Schroedingers cat' approach... claim to support > OPI and wait to see if anyone actually tries to use it. Like you say, a 'suck-it-and-see' approach may be best. What sort of OPI would you offer - TIFF and/or EPSF? Would it support the usual stuff like cropping/scaling/rotating of the image? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 20:23:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107787 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:23:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940532545:10:20208:45; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:02:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020462; 21 Oct 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06671 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06664 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:28:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eMvx-000Det-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 18:27:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:23:16 GMT Message-Id: <107765@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> This is a bug in RISC OS and has now been fixed. >for RO4 is that ? >I hope so Yes for RISC OS 4. Of course. The debatable point will be if the fix is for older versions. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 20:23:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107789 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:23:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940533689:10:05827:24; Thu, 21 Oct 99 19:21:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114227; 21 Oct 99 19:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06955 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:52:55 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06950 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:52:53 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23717 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:52:03 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22293 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:52:02 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Printing Problems... Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:50:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bf1bf5$339b5aa0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <107746@pilling.demon.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > >A nice filter in the Ovation output that replaces the masked sprites > >with irregular clipped bitmaps of your own design > > Thats a good idea. Scan the sprite and turn it into irregular clip areas. > The code would be similar to Trace. Its all highly doable. > > It also made me thing this. If you set OPro to flow text around a graphic, > not only does it set up an irregular repel curve, it also sets up > an irregular picture clipping curve. > > So immediately you have a solution for masked images. > > It would not be much more work to add an option that just sets > the clip curve > to the transparent areas. That sounds dangerously like a cunning solution. In a similar vein, could vector/font-stroked clipping paths be possible? It might enable some nice effects like bitmap fills for text that aren't so elegant otherwise in RISC OS. > However as usual I wonder just how many people are worried by this. Well, as with many of these things, it only becomes a worry when the job you're doing goes pear-shaped because of it. I can post you a piece of string to measure if it'll help ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 22:43:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107807 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 22:43:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940540055:10:25758:17; Thu, 21 Oct 99 21:07:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114895; 21 Oct 99 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07659 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:39:07 +0100 Received: from out4.prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [165.87.194.239]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07654 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:39:04 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-243.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.243]) by out4.prserv.net (/) with SMTP id UAA121436 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:37:46 GMT Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:41:56 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Search and replace To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107299@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB07659 On Sat 16 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Obviously the s/r in OPro is limited - conventional wisdom is that > the worst omission is searching for styles. Beyond that I wonder Yes that for me would have priority. > if you'd like regular expressions (like programmers editors have) > or this context idea... A bit too arcane for most people. The magic would be a friendly front end that masked all those algebraic strings which I suppose Context would be. I'd prefer to use Zap, as I take in documents from a Starwriter which contain a mass of top bit set markers. Likewise stripping out the text from Word and formatting it is quickest done in a programme editor. It took quite some time to learn those search expressions, though, and I wonder how many would get round to using that raw facility if it was introduced into OPro. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 22:43:47 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107808 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 22:43:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940539577:20:08841:21; Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:59:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008589; 21 Oct 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07703 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:43:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07696 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:43:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eP2p-000FIY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:42:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 20:27:47 GMT Message-Id: <107790@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Certainly, if the option to use OPI were there, it would open up more doors >to meander through, as the new referenced image features have already done. Well its not quite so simple. Firstly you have to be in a position to use OPI - i.e. have access to PS printing equipment which understands it. >would you offer - TIFF and/or EPSF? Would it support the usual stuff like >cropping/scaling/rotating of the image? OPI just inserts some comments in the output PS instead of the image, so you can have what you like in the document, a sprite for example, with a dialogue box that has a writeable icon in it, for the path which will be written to the OPI include command. As you say a few other commands to allow for rotation and perhaps colour mapping. What I'd really like though is for someone to explain how to activate OPI in Publisher+. Testing is an issue for me, either I need something to compare with (Publisher) or someone to run the code on real equipment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 22:43:54 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107810 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 22:43:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940540230:20:17672:27; Thu, 21 Oct 99 21:10:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017433; 21 Oct 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07708 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:43:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07702 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 21:43:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eP2s-000FIY-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 20:42:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 99 21:39:17 GMT Message-Id: <107792@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Printing Problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In a similar vein, could vector/font-stroked clipping paths be possible? It >might enable some nice effects like bitmap fills for text that aren't so >elegant otherwise in RISC OS. Well as it stands there's that applet that takes a Draw file and turns it into a frame. So you can end up with a picture frame shaped like a line of text. Drop a picture in it... 2.55 supports tiling of pictures which would make life even easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ecdbv@xs4all.nl Thu Oct 21 22:43:59 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107811 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 22:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940541527:20:04756:5; Thu, 21 Oct 99 21:32:07 GMT Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.50]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2004837; 21 Oct 99 21:32 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem817.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.49]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02087; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:38:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp7.xs4all.nl id XAA02087 On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? >=20 > Shall I take the 'Schroedingers cat' approach... claim to support > OPI and wait to see if anyone actually tries to use it. Hello, We have many professional customers (graphical designers and printers) en= I know at least of 5 using OPI. But OPI is not only of interest to professionals; it can be useful to have 'a sort of' and use it to process large pictures on small machines (the way Impression does it with multifi= le documents and the 'minimise memory' command.) I have to admit that, though I tried to convert 'the professionals' to OP= RO, many of 'em keep on using IP, despite my warnings that it's not supported anymore and we cannot give the support we would like to give in 'the end' Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ECD Computers, Rijswijk =20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 21 23:27:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107819 for opro ; Thu, 21 Oct 99 23:27:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940542436:10:25937:20; Thu, 21 Oct 99 21:47:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025847; 21 Oct 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08062 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:32:44 +0100 Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08057 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 22:32:42 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem817.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.49]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA02087; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:31:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:38:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB08062 On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? >=20 > Shall I take the 'Schroedingers cat' approach... claim to support > OPI and wait to see if anyone actually tries to use it. Hello, We have many professional customers (graphical designers and printers) en= I know at least of 5 using OPI. But OPI is not only of interest to professionals; it can be useful to have 'a sort of' and use it to process large pictures on small machines (the way Impression does it with multifi= le documents and the 'minimise memory' command.) I have to admit that, though I tried to convert 'the professionals' to OP= RO, many of 'em keep on using IP, despite my warnings that it's not supported anymore and we cannot give the support we would like to give in 'the end' Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ECD Computers, Rijswijk =20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 01:35:16 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107824 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:35:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940546500:20:07718:17; Thu, 21 Oct 99 22:55:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007653; 21 Oct 99 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA08291 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:38:09 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08286 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:38:07 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-2-1.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.1]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id DB64BDAF18 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:37:10 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 19:24:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #265 Message-ID: <495498b261rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49548f0043colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> References: <199910210800.JAA04235@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <49548f0043colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49548f0043colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Woolf wrote: > On 21 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > You can't... > > I think the hard way to do this is to apply the Symbol font as > > an effect in the document. The clever way would be to have a > > linked style for the leader text. > I tried this - and if I understand correctly, if you know the ALT > number, and you can find that out using the character window in > OvnPro then just type ALT183 or ALT143 and you get a bullet in the > box. Yes, but that is the limit - two mediocre bullets - when Symbol is full of them. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 01:35:24 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107826 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:35:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940548672:20:04813:53; Thu, 21 Oct 99 23:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103131; 21 Oct 99 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08496 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08491 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:21 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eRQe-000Atg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:15:28 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:20:34 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Printing Problems... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107711@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >(2) The level 2 PS driver does not handle masked sprites correctly. > >Apparently this is a limitation of level 2 PostScript - end of story. > > Oh dear, I didn't put that clearly enough. What I am refering > to here is the problems printing colour sprites with masks to the > level 2 driver when the Colour option is selected. > > If you do this the mask is ignored and the whole sprite given a white background. > > I am not talking about Nick Kaijaks problems with apparently corrupt > data in PS files. > > Thats another problem which ROSL have looked at. > > My aims in saying this are two fold, firstly to point out that ROSL are > actually going where Acorn feared to tread. Secondly to ask if there > are any other serious printing problems outstanding. Er, Drawfile objects shifting when the document is printed at a reduced scale, and no doubt enlarged scale. Would be a disaster on thumbnail printing. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 01:35:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107828 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:35:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940548674:10:09597:20; Thu, 21 Oct 99 23:31:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113785; 21 Oct 99 23:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08475 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:04 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08470 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:02 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eRQI-000Atg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:15:07 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:00:25 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #265 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49548f0043colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 21 Oct, Colin Woolf wrote: > On 21 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > You can't... > > > I think the hard way to do this is to apply the Symbol font as > > an effect in the document. The clever way would be to have a > > linked style for the leader text. > > I tried this - and if I understand correctly, if you know the ALT > number, and you can find that out using the character window in > OvnPro then just type ALT183 or ALT143 and you get a bullet in the > box. But not in a particular font, which I think the man wanted. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 01:35:28 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107829 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940549439:20:14446:17; Thu, 21 Oct 99 23:43:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014410; 21 Oct 99 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08489 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08484 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:19 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eRQb-000Atg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:15:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:07:23 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: RE: Printing Problems... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107792@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >In a similar vein, could vector/font-stroked clipping paths be possible? It > >might enable some nice effects like bitmap fills for text that aren't so > >elegant otherwise in RISC OS. > > Well as it stands there's that applet that takes a Draw file and > turns it into a frame. So you can end up with a picture frame > shaped like a line of text. Drop a picture in it... > Many on this list will probably know that I used that applet in the latest issue of Acorn Publisher. In the document I sent to the Editor the letter O's were not filled in in the middle, so somewhere it appears that the applet went wrong. As it's a great applet, it would be useful to investigate this problem. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 01:35:34 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107831 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940549483:20:14822:42; Thu, 21 Oct 99 23:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108748; 21 Oct 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08464 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:15:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08459 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:15:49 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eRQ3-000Atg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:14:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:02:42 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107790@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Certainly, if the option to use OPI were there, it would open up more doors > >to meander through, as the new referenced image features have already done. > > Well its not quite so simple. Firstly you have to be in a position to > use OPI - i.e. have access to PS printing equipment which understands it. > > > >would you offer - TIFF and/or EPSF? Would it support the usual stuff like > >cropping/scaling/rotating of the image? > > OPI just inserts some comments in the output PS instead of the image, > so you can have what you like in the document, a sprite for example, > with a dialogue box that has a writeable icon in it, for > the path which will be written to the OPI include command. > > As you say a few other commands to allow for rotation and perhaps > colour mapping. Why would you want the images rotated? Surely you would have the image exactly as you wanted it in the first place, with the orientation you plan to use. And what do you mean by colour mapping in relation to OPI? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 01:35:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107830 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:35:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940548678:10:09686:18; Thu, 21 Oct 99 23:31:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009595; 21 Oct 99 23:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA08482 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08477 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 00:16:14 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eRQS-000Atg-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:15:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 23:56:09 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Printing Problems... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107746@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >Strange that the PS2 driver was made with that handicap in the first > >place. I hope that is not the last we read about it. > > Well as I said the problem is with level 2 PS not with the driver. > > Interestingly there is a document on the Adobe web site devoted to > the subject of masked bitmaps - but it is level 3 specific. > The point being that obviously this is a troublesome area. > > > >A nice filter in the Ovation output that replaces the masked sprites > >with irregular clipped bitmaps of your own design > > Thats a good idea. Scan the sprite and turn it into irregular clip areas. > The code would be similar to Trace. Its all highly doable. > > It also made me thing this. If you set OPro to flow text around a graphic, > not only does it set up an irregular repel curve, it also sets up > an irregular picture clipping curve. > > So immediately you have a solution for masked images. Except that it is the one area of Opro that I feel is very problematic. When you get into this aspect of Opro for serious stuff it can be nightmarish. I think I have managed to solve most of the things that go wrong with these clipping paths, but it took a long time and unless it was fixed so that it worked without trouble, most people would probably be scared off. Also even when it goes right, clipping paths are just not that accurate. I wouldn't have thought that they could be a match for a bitmap mask around hair, for example. > > It would not be much more work to add an option that just sets the clip curve > to the transparent areas. > > However as usual I wonder just how many people are worried by this. > > As you say this is only a problem when you have 'colour' ticked in the printer options setting. When printing to separations colour is not ticked. So presumably the only time it becomes an issue is when one is printing a composite image to a colour postscript device, which was a problem for me with one print vendor. I wanted a cheaper form of proof than chromalins. I sent them a composite image to print on their polaroid proofing device and I got the mask problem. I can't remember, but do the digital printers use composite postscript? Incidently, the print vendor that I am using at the moment are brilliant with postscript files, they simply do not balk at them. They use an Iris proofing device. The great thing about this is that they were able to give it separated postscript file, and it is somehow able to recombine the separations to produce a colour proof (obviously, without masking problems). I sent them a two colour business card as a postscript file and they were able to manipulate it so that it was imageset many copies to an A2 page. I was quite please that I didn't have to do any of that messing about from my side, and then have to send them an enourmous file. If any one is interested I can supply their details. It's a real a real boon to find a print vendor to whom you can send postscript files with confidence. And they're cheap is you use standard sizes and papers. They do hexachrome too (as if any of us use it!). And I'm only on five percent of all Acorn work (just kidding!) -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:51:41 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107853 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:51:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940559102:20:21470:24; Fri, 22 Oct 99 02:25:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107343; 22 Oct 99 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09362 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:09:40 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09357 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:09:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eU8J-000Ga8-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 02:08:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:40:54 GMT Message-Id: <107834@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Why would you want the images rotated? Surely you would have the image >exactly as you wanted it in the first place, with the orientation you >plan to use. Well maybe. OPI supports transformation like rotations of the final image. So Mr. Adobe must think you'd have things scanned square and then decide to have them printed at an angle or scaled. >And what do you mean by colour mapping in relation to OPI? Brightness correction. The usual image processing stuff. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:52:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107855 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:52:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940559904:10:06410:17; Fri, 22 Oct 99 02:38:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006130; 22 Oct 99 2:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09369 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:09:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09364 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 03:09:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eU8L-000Ga8-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 02:08:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 01:42:01 GMT Message-Id: <107836@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing Problems... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> So immediately you have a solution for masked images. >Except that it is the one area of Opro that I feel is >very problematic. It depends, text flow around complex shapes has its problems. Just tracing a clip path for graphics should be pretty safe. >I wouldn't have thought that they could be a match >for a bitmap mask around hair, for example. Yes I'm not going to kid you that it would. But there are degrees. On the one hand we've got the trick of masking alternate pixels to simulate transparency, which is going to be a mess however you handle it. On the other simple smooth clip paths - e.g. a picture in an oval. As it stands OPro is only suitable for the second case. However it would be highly doable to create clip paths which were pixel accurate - they would not be smooth curves, and if you had an idiotic mask they would be very large. >As you say this is only a problem when you have 'colour' ticked >in the printer options setting. When printing to separations >colour is not ticked. Yes but as the discussion here has shown, people tick the option because - hey why not. Six months later their separations don't print properly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:52:19 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107858 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:52:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940580336:20:28696:31; Fri, 22 Oct 99 08:18:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028438; 22 Oct 99 8:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10068 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:00:15 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10063 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:00:13 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.159] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11eaYN-0005Me-00; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 10:00:03 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:54:16 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:53:34 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... Message-ID: <93c9e25449%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107790@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > OPI just inserts some comments in the output PS instead of the image, > so you can have what you like in the document, a sprite for example, > with a dialogue box that has a writeable icon in it, for > the path which will be written to the OPI include command. > I'm trying to get my mind around OPI in a simple minded way - so I can judge whether it would be important to us or not. Am I right in thinking that (a) The new picture by reference etc facility in OvPro allows large images to be kept separate and only merged with the rest of the document at output (b) the image data will then be embedded in the output document when we produce postscript (leading to very large files) and the image is then in a 'fixed' form (i.e. with any image processing settings applied) (c) OPI is, amongst other things, a PS protocol which allows postscript files to do something like 'picture by reference', so we have a smaller postscript file and separate images. These are now only integrated with the document at the moment of RIPing (in either a printer or an imagesetter). This also allows images to be tweaked further at a bureau (e.g. gammas changed etc). If this is roughly correct then I can see that it would be useful for work with large images (in my case mainly book covers). I can also see that it is pretty well a requirement for some kinds of work such as illustrated catalogues, if the bureau does not have OvPro itself. But I would need to have a close relationship with patient bureau or printer to go through the learning curve on this. If you say you would have difficulty in testing it, then the same goes for most of us! Actually, if adding OPI is not a huge task then I can also see that having it would make OvPro look like a proper industry strength layout package. I'd like to see it happen. Though the ability to import Quark EPS files, show the tiff preview, and somehow pick up the wretched fonts which Quark (unbelievably) cannot embed in the EPS, is an even more pressing need for me at the moment. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:52:23 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107859 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:52:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940581229:20:13045:19; Fri, 22 Oct 99 08:33:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013039; 22 Oct 99 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10144 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:18:57 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10139 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:18:55 +0100 Received: from net56.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.184] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1025]) by red.paston. Date: Thu, 21 Oct 1999 17:01:29 +0100 (BST) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB10144 Status: R On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? >=20 > Shall I take the 'Schroedingers cat' approach... claim to support > OPI and wait to see if anyone actually tries to use it. 'Murphy's Law' will no doubt use his approach ;-) I have in the past used OPI when I had very large bitmaps and Tony Tolver suggested I used OPI to make setting up much easier. --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No:+44(0)1362 699664 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:52:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107870 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:52:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940579280:10:00479:27; Fri, 22 Oct 99 08:01:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119375; 22 Oct 99 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA10003 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:37:32 +0100 Received: from wide.horizon.nl (root@wide.horizon.nl [195.193.108.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09998 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 08:37:30 +0100 Received: from xat.horizon.nl (pm03-14.horizon.nl [195.193.108.94]) by wide.horizon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id JAA20555 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:37:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:35:23 +0200 (BST) From: Paul Reuvers Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? Most certainly! I've got several customers who are using OPI on a regular basis. At present, they HAVE to use IP+, but they want to move on to OPro of course. Best regards, -- Paul Reuvers X-Ample Technology The Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:53:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107875 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:52:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940590384:10:14610:18; Fri, 22 Oct 99 11:06:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110298; 22 Oct 99 11:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA10698 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:47:54 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA10693 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 11:47:52 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA27297 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:46:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11eYAl-000JJ4C; Fri, 22 Oct 99 07:27 MET Message-ID: <380FF50F.6A14@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 07:24:31 +0200 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Meaningful titles, please? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, all, as a new convert from Publisher (two weeks now), I have been following the discussion in this forum with great interest. Just one thing bothers me: Some of the message titles are somewhat less than informative. Just one example: There has recently been some talk about "Printing problems", which I ignored after a while, because I don't use PS2. Today (shock, horror) I would nearly have overlooked "Another printing problem", which deals with printing JPEGs - something which I was about to ask about myself. So, I would be very grateful if some of you old hands would put a bit more thought into those titles; this would certainly be extremely helpful if one should remember -dimly- that a certain question was answered a month or three back; browsing through the old messages would then become MUCH easier. Thanks, Jochen Konietzko -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:53:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107881 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:53:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940601082:10:20958:44; Fri, 22 Oct 99 14:04:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101843; 22 Oct 99 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11043 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:28:02 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11038 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:27:59 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id PAA21817 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:26:56 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:15:34 +0100 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199910220210.DAA09387@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, > > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? > Lately I did a job where OPI should have been very usefull. The now available 'Local OPI' wouldn't do the trick, because the document contained pages filled with lots of big images. I had to resize the images to a minimum, put all the pages in several documents and still my 50 meg was full. So for me: yes! I'll use it. Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:53:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107883 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:53:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940602589:10:08018:20; Fri, 22 Oct 99 14:29:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007050; 22 Oct 99 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA11078 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:44:30 +0100 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com (tungsten.btinternet.com [194.73.73.81]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11073 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:44:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.238.58] (helo=pc1) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11eeyb-0002rV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:43:25 +0100 Message-ID: <002001bf1c93$ad5285a0$3aeeabc3@pc1> From: "Media Resources" To: References: <380FF50F.6A14@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Subject: Re: Risograph GR3770 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:44:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a Risc PC linked to several PCs, using a local network all using several digitial photocopies and different printers. ie Ricoh Aficio 400 Ricoh Aficio 5106 Colour I have no problems using PS printer drivers for for the above machines, but cannot communicate correctly with a Risograph GR 3770 using a Riso SC3500 interface. Can anyone help and suggest a suitable printer driver or a way to connect. Thanks Mike Pearn RSD Manchester -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:53:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107884 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:53:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940603094:10:13181:48; Fri, 22 Oct 99 14:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012414; 22 Oct 99 14:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11150 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:02:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11145 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:02:00 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.161) [193.149.71.161] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11efFZ-00022B-00; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:00:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Torrens To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 12:33:56 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #264 Message-ID: <4954f6f60crichard@4qd.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49548e467fcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> References: <199910191943.UAA31650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <49548e467fcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13 (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49548e467fcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Woolf wrote: > On 19 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > I jumped from the Impression ship because David is continuing to > > develop OPro & I detest Windoze. It took me a couple of months to > > stop thinking 'Impression' but it was never a struggle. Except, > > perhaps, getting sensible > Just hang on a minute, before this degrades into a newsgroup type > discussion/flame war. I always have used Ovation then OvnPro, I > was constantly pestered to use Impression, but on the other hand I > can fully understand the above comments about 'struggling' - as I > could not spend the time and effort to learn Impression and thus > found it a srtuggle to get used to it - so I gave up. My brother > on the other hand ( a computer programmer ) finds Ovation a > 'struggle' and uses Impression. > It is a matter of the 'style of working' difference - they are both > good. I just thank God that David saw fit to implement line drawing > ability in the first Ovation - how anyone uses a DTP package that > can't even draw a simple line is beyond me. Big problem this.. I suspect that most times when someone does not like a program, is really because it doesn't behave the way he expects. One possible way of overcoming this is to write a very good introduction to the program. If this is done correctly, then it should be readable, interesting and should not attempt to teach, but by the time a prospective new user has read it, its not only whetted his appetite but also told him what to expect! The problem is - it's very difficult to write like this. Takes someone who not only knows the program but who also can 'forget' their specialist knowledge, and who's got good writing skills. It's probably easier to find hen's teeth. But without such writing, it's difficult to convince people to change horses, however better the new horse! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use a RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:53:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107887 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:53:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940606829:10:26163:82; Fri, 22 Oct 99 15:40:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024631; 22 Oct 99 15:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11306 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:57:11 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11301 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:57:09 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s25-185-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.185]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 15:31:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Printing Problems... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <107746@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > It would not be much more work to add an option that just sets the clip curve > to the transparent areas. > > However as usual I wonder just how many people are worried by this. > Well not at this instant, no. But I can envisage circumstances when I might be. I realise you have to manage your time, but on the other hand what really makes a program popular with users is to find that the programmer has solved his/her problems before he/she realised they existed. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 18:53:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107890 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:53:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940613508:10:11550:128; Fri, 22 Oct 99 17:31:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010871; 22 Oct 99 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11811 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:06:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11806 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:06:44 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ei8L-000IQv-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:05:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 17:33:16 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palette applets Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , you wrote: > In message <494eea54f3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> > Ian Lowry wrote: > > In article <7ae4734e49.root@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk>, > > John Pettigrew wrote: > > > .. is there any way of preventing them opening palettes whenever a > > > doc is opened? Every time OP starts up, they reset to their default > > > behaviour of opening the palette window. I'd like the choice - I don't > > > want all of the palettes all of the time. > > > > The short answer is yes, you can change values within the applet to do > > this, although I am still struggling to remember which to change. Sorry! > > Is this not one of those choices that needs to be saved with the > 'default' document? If you turn off the paletts that you don't want > then use the document File>Save as default option, wil that do it? I tried saving the default document with the palettes closed but that didn't work. Having fiddled round inside the applets, the variables that need changing inside (from 1 to 0 in each case, at the start of the script file inside the Library directory of each applet) are: Colour palette - colpal_palette Page palette - pagepal_toolbox Style palette - stylepal_palette Thanks for the pointers and HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 19:51:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107926 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:51:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940616918:10:20272:24; Fri, 22 Oct 99 18:28:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020036; 22 Oct 99 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA11957 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:11:24 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11952 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:11:22 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.101]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA14097 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:55:39 +0100 Message-ID: <3811196A.59@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:11:54 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: NewFrame applet and text re-scale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > On Thu 21 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > Well as it stands there's that applet that takes a Draw file and > > turns it into a frame. So you can end up with a picture frame > > shaped like a line of text. Drop a picture in it... > > > I've tried using this applet to give me the facility of, how can I put it, filling a frame with text. For example, I've occasionally wanted to put a banner heading in a frame such that the text width and height matches the frame dimensions. Could OvPRO be enhanced to allow right-drag of a text frame's handles to resize the all text within it (even multiline) in a manner similar to the rescaling of a graphic frame's contents? I think the following formulae might further explain what I want to do: Take H = frame height; W = frame width; F = fontsize ; S = text H Scale Then when the frame's height changes: New F = Old F * New H / Old H New S = Old S * Old H / New H and when the frame's width changes: New S = Old S * New H / Old H (if I've worked everything out OK) Thinking about it, putting the text into !Draw, converting to paths, and importing as a graphic would have a similar result, but then I couldn't directly edit it... -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 21:12:39 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107934 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 21:12:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940620322:20:25965:31; Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:25:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103237; 22 Oct 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12115 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12110 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ejo4-0009Tz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:52:52 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:31:40 GMT Message-Id: <107910@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have in the past used OPI when I had very large bitmaps and Tony Tolver >suggested I used OPI to make setting up much easier. Well the repro man himself denies ever having used OPI. Not worth investing in the kit... What he is keen on is DCS. DCS is yet another PostScript variant, one where there are 5 files for an image, one with a preview, and 4 others for the CMYK planes. Typically the image can be JPEG'd to save memory. Impression combines all 5 files in RAM. The soon to appear EPS applet can do this, or will let you reference the files from disc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 21:12:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107933 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 21:12:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940619436:10:18890:19; Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:10:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114466; 22 Oct 99 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12121 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12116 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ejo3-0009Tz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:52:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:25:14 GMT Message-Id: <107908@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(a) The new picture by reference etc facility in OvPro allows > large images to be kept separate and only merged with the rest of > the document at output Correct. >(b) the image data will then be embedded in the output document > when we produce postscript (leading to very large files) and the > image is then in a 'fixed' form (i.e. with any image processing > settings applied) Correct. >(c) OPI is, amongst other things, a PS protocol which allows > postscript files to do something like 'picture by reference', so > we have a smaller postscript file and separate images. These are > now only integrated with the document at the moment of RIPing (in > either a printer or an imagesetter). This also allows images to > be tweaked further at a bureau (e.g. gammas changed etc). Correct. >happen. Though the ability to import Quark EPS files, show the >tiff preview, and somehow pick up the wretched fonts which Quark >(unbelievably) cannot embed in the EPS, is an even more pressing >need for me at the moment. Well we're real close to that - next week, maybe, I hope. The comment about the fonts has not cheered me though. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 22 21:13:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107935 for opro ; Fri, 22 Oct 99 21:13:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940619702:10:21886:29; Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:15:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021914; 22 Oct 99 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12127 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:54:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12122 for ; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:53:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ejo0-0009Tz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:52:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:25:01 GMT Message-Id: <107906@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Lately I did a job where OPI should have been very usefull. The now available >'Local OPI' wouldn't do the trick, because the document contained pages >filled with lots of big images. I had to resize the images to a minimum, put >all the pages in several documents and still my 50 meg was full. Err so why wouldn't the new referenced images help? As long as you have enough RAM for the largest image, there's no reason why you can't print documents with large numbers of images in. OPI is only going to be of use if you have access to a system (i.e. hardware) which supports it. Although I suppose someone could have done software which can do the OPI merge stage on a computer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 01:47:20 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107945 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 01:47:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940634487:20:05169:19; Fri, 22 Oct 99 23:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119472; 22 Oct 99 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12847 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:01:29 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12842 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:01:27 +0100 Received: from [195.102.200.72] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11eocO-0003ox-00; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:01:08 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:00:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 23:59:53 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... Message-ID: <42c3355549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107910@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I have in the past used OPI when I had very large bitmaps and Tony Tolver > >suggested I used OPI to make setting up much easier. > > Well the repro man himself denies ever having used OPI. Not worth > investing in the kit... What he is keen on is DCS. > > DCS is yet another PostScript variant, one where there are 5 files for an > image, one with a preview, and 4 others for the CMYK planes. > Typically the image can be JPEG'd to save memory. > I have the impression that the pre-press industry is moving away from DCS towards composite workflows. I guess PDF has played a part in this. Can anyone confirm? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 01:47:34 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107946 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 01:47:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940635581:20:16924:17; Fri, 22 Oct 99 23:39:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016868; 22 Oct 99 23:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12914 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:11:14 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12909 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:11:12 +0100 Received: from [195.102.201.222] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11eolp-0003vF-00; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:10:53 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:06:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:06:20 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... Message-ID: <5f5a365549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107908@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >happen. Though the ability to import Quark EPS files, show the > >tiff preview, and somehow pick up the wretched fonts which Quark > >(unbelievably) cannot embed in the EPS, is an even more pressing > >need for me at the moment. > > Well we're real close to that - next week, maybe, I hope. > The comment about the fonts has not cheered me though. > Well, what you say has cheered me up, anyway! Quark EPS files do seem to be a problem though. We sometimes receive ads like this, but unless we also get all the fonts on the disc and open the file in quark on the mac, there's not a lot we can do with them. I've been told that Quark doesn't provide the option for embedding fonts in eps files - the standard recommendation seems to be to print PS to file from Quark - it will embed in fonts in the postscript output. But perhaps someone who uses Quark more regularly can clarify this. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ecdbv@xs4all.nl Sat Oct 23 01:49:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107954 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 01:49:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940634726:10:24122:7; Fri, 22 Oct 99 23:25:26 GMT Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl ([194.109.127.49]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024040; 22 Oct 99 23:25 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1286.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.6]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA17187; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:25:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:32:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <107906@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp3.xs4all.nl id BAA17187 On Fri 22 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Err so why wouldn't the new referenced images help? As long as you have > enough RAM for the largest image, there's no reason why you can't > print documents with large numbers of images in. Some bureaus scan at VERY high resolutions (2400 dpi), at 32 bit the imag= es are too large to be handled cause of the memory limits in RISC OS (I can= 't get more into Draw than 32 Mb, despite my 256 Mb RAMmed system -anyway around this?-) More than 2 (very large) pics in a document cannot be processed without t= he help of OPI.... Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 01:49:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107955 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 01:49:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940635642:10:02693:17; Fri, 22 Oct 99 23:40:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002445; 22 Oct 99 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA12968 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:26:20 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA12963 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:26:19 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1286.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.6]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA17187; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:25:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:32:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <107906@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB12968 Status: R On Fri 22 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > Err so why wouldn't the new referenced images help? As long as you have > enough RAM for the largest image, there's no reason why you can't > print documents with large numbers of images in. Some bureaus scan at VERY high resolutions (2400 dpi), at 32 bit the imag= es are too large to be handled cause of the memory limits in RISC OS (I can= 't get more into Draw than 32 Mb, despite my 256 Mb RAMmed system -anyway around this?-) More than 2 (very large) pics in a document cannot be processed without t= he help of OPI.... Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 13:05:49 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107976 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:05:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940648520:20:13114:18; Sat, 23 Oct 99 03:15:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012756; 23 Oct 99 3:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13609 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:56:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13603 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:56:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eqPN-000CgD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:55:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 99 02:15:48 GMT Message-Id: <107967@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NewFrame applet and text re-scale X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Could OvPRO be enhanced to allow right-drag of a text frame's handles to >resize the all text within it (even multiline) in a manner similar to the >rescaling of a graphic frame's contents? Its a possibility. Not next week, but it is something I have considered. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 13:05:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107977 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:05:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940647816:10:05113:17; Sat, 23 Oct 99 03:03:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004869; 23 Oct 99 3:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA13615 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:57:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA13610 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:56:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11eqPP-000CgD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:55:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Oct 99 02:15:56 GMT Message-Id: <107969@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Some bureaus scan at VERY high resolutions (2400 dpi), at 32 bit the imag= >es are too large to be handled cause of the memory limits in RISC OS (I >can= 't get more into Draw than 32 Mb, despite my 256 Mb RAMmed system >-anyway around this?-) No. Because Draw does not use dynamic area memory. You need to talk ROSL into linking in a different 'flex' memory manager. Vector bundled with ROS4 appears to use DA memory. >More than 2 (very large) pics in a document cannot be processed without the >help of OPI.... How come? OvationPro does use DA memory, and using references it only needs one picture in memory at a time. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 13:06:10 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107982 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940671677:20:22583:27; Sat, 23 Oct 99 09:41:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022506; 23 Oct 99 9:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14312 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:18:52 +0100 Received: from mail07.rapidsite.net (mail07.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA14307 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:18:50 +0100 Received: from www.mld.co.uk (209.130.41.16) by mail07.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.52) with SMTP id 04829228 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 97.4.0.80 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andrew J Bissex To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:11:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... Message-ID: <49556845deandy@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5f5a365549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <107908@pilling.demon.co.uk> <5f5a365549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <5f5a365549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > I've been told that Quark doesn't provide the option for > embedding fonts in eps files - the standard recommendation seems > to be to print PS to file from Quark - it will embed in fonts in > the postscript output. But perhaps someone who uses Quark more > regularly can clarify this. That is correct - quark cannot embed fonts in an EPS file. We regularly take Quark EPS and DCS files and stick them into Impression. You have to download any fonts into the RIP / printer first then print the file which works fine. Its easy to do if you have access to a Mac to do the downloading. Cheers Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 13:06:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107988 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:06:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940669156:10:04960:17; Sat, 23 Oct 99 08:59:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111658; 23 Oct 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA14244 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:52:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA14239 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:52:14 +0100 Received: from userav97.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.138.144] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11evx7-0003Pc-00; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:51:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tanner Family To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 22:00:23 +0100 Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... Message-ID: <49552ad25dttehtann@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107834@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <107834@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <107834@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Why would you want the images rotated? Surely you would have the image > >exactly as you wanted it in the first place, with the orientation you > >plan to use. > Well maybe. OPI supports transformation like rotations of the > final image. So Mr. Adobe must think you'd have things scanned > square and then decide to have them printed at an angle or scaled. >From experience at a repro house, a) Scan the pictures cropped a little larger than the customer has specified, use the picture box to crop the picture so that when Mr Customer says "I want that bit of the picture left in" we can do so. b) It is not unknown for Mr Customer to say "can you make that post vertical" (when it wasn't quite so in the original image) c) We have even had to reduce / enlarge the picture a little bit because Mr Customer thought the edges were fine but the picture was just a little to big / small (once we had to stretch only in one direction too). > >And what do you mean by colour mapping in relation to OPI? > Brightness correction. The usual image processing stuff. Now that's a thing that should be done at the scanning stage if possible. Or in the image setter IF you know what your printer is going to do to all your nice highlights. > David Pilling Regards (PC) / Love from (non PC but nicer) [delete as applicable] Thos -- T. R. Tanner email: ttehtann@argonet.co.uk web page: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ttehtann Warning: Here be random taglines! .... Please recycle this tagline. Once is not enough. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 13:06:31 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107990 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:06:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940678400:20:15642:18; Sat, 23 Oct 99 11:33:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104786; 23 Oct 99 11:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA14574 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:20:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA14569 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:20:56 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.248) [62.188.134.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11eyH0-0005ZL-00; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 11:19:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: Ovation Pro mail list Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 18:20:55 +0100 Subject: Style palette applet - how do I get a button for this? Message-ID: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello there I'd like to use a button for the style palette applet, but after trying lots of things a novice might do, I still can't get a button to work on the button bar. I've managed to get the window to appear, but is not 'live' so is no good! Can anyone suggest a way? Also - is there a way for the palette applets to be defaulted 'off' when OP is loaded - they always come up first time. Cheers for this Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 13:06:36 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA107992 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:06:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940680240:20:29943:22; Sat, 23 Oct 99 12:04:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114006; 23 Oct 99 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14802 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:43:18 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14797 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:43:16 +0100 Received: from net5.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.133] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1025]) by red.paston.c Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 09:30:23 +0100 (BST) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: Re: RE: Last chance for OPI... To: Ovation Pro In-Reply-To: <107790@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id MAB14802 > What I'd really like though is for someone to explain how to activate > OPI in Publisher+. Tony Tolver (TJ Reproductions) is the best person to ask about OPI. --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No:+44(0)1362 699664 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 14:28:06 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108005 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 14:28:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940684865:20:06908:29; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006897; 23 Oct 99 13:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15081 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:52:49 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA15076 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:52:48 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id OAA26419 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:51:32 +0200 (METDST) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:06:52 +0100 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199910230753.IAA14253@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Date: Fri, 22 Oct 99 19:25:01 GMT > From:(David Pilling) > Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... > > >Lately I did a job where OPI should have been very usefull. The now available > >'Local OPI' wouldn't do the trick, because the document contained pages > >filled with lots of big images. I had to resize the images to a minimum, put > >all the pages in several documents and still my 50 meg was full. > > Err so why wouldn't the new referenced images help? As long as you have > enough RAM for the largest image, there's no reason why you can't > print documents with large numbers of images in. OK, I was wrong. I thought OvPro need to load all the images on one page to print it out (like Publisher with multiple file documents IIRC). > OPI is only going to be of use if you have access to a system (i.e. > hardware) which supports it. I had, so OPI would still have been usefull, but not necessary. Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 14:28:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108006 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 14:28:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940682294:10:29340:19; Sat, 23 Oct 99 12:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106315; 23 Oct 99 12:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14943 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:22:39 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14938 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:22:38 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03166 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:19:39 GMT Received: from net19.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.147] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1029]) by red.paston. Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:17:16 +0100 (BST) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: Severe acronymnesia - DCS and not OPI To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB14943 Many apologies to Tony Tolver, he is quite correct it was DCS and not OPI= .. I think I must be suffering from acute acronymphobia or is it acronymnesia? --=20 Hilary & Tim Pegg Thilmcraft Graphics =A9, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No:+44(0)1362 699664 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 14:28:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108007 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 14:28:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940684788:10:24258:21; Sat, 23 Oct 99 13:19:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024057; 23 Oct 99 13:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15136 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:02:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA15131 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:02:25 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.5) [62.188.144.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11f0nG-0007hS-00; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:01:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Michael Keen) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:21:27 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Risograph GR3770 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 22 Oct 1999 (14:44:24 +0100), media.resources@rsd.manchester.btinternet.com wrote: > I have a Risc PC linked to several PCs, using a local network all > using several digitial photocopies and different printers. ie > > Ricoh Aficio 400 > Ricoh Aficio 5106 Colour > > I have no problems using PS printer drivers for for the above machines, > but cannot communicate correctly with a Risograph GR 3770 using a Riso > SC3500 > interface. > > Can anyone help and suggest a suitable printer driver or a way to > connect. > > Thanks > > Mike Pearn > RSD Manchester Hi Mike As far as I know the riso has it own driver ant not PS I did try to get one working with a RPC but the people with the riso did not know how the driver worked. So I gave up in the end. Mike Keen -- __ __ _ _ | \/ (_) | _____ Get really sparkling discs - use a disc buffer. | |\/| | | |/ / _ \ | | | | | < __/ OK Scotty, now beam down my arms and legs the |_| |_|_|_|\_\___| right way round Michael Keen mikeone@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 23 16:31:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108019 for opro ; Sat, 23 Oct 99 16:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940691226:10:25036:18; Sat, 23 Oct 99 15:07:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124499; 23 Oct 99 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA15623 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:38:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15618 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:38:21 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.30) [193.149.73.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11f2I4-0001FG-00; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 15:37:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:18:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Was - Giving up Ov Pro, now Impression,EPS,OPI Message-ID: <49557ee4d8steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il> References: <107527@pilling.demon.co.uk> <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <380DB1C6.DECE9FEF@netvision.net.il>, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > A 'keep together' attribute for paragraphs. Real widow/orphan > control would be nice, but Publisher doesn't have it either. You mean sort of like this: ?? {keeplines 0 0} {keeppara 0} {keepnext 0} Some may recognise that little block, and wonder why it still doesn't do anything. Still, sort of matches: {bullet 0 {bulletbefore ""} {bulletafter ""} {bulletstyle "Bodytext"} {bullettab 1} {bulletstart 1}{bulletformat 0}} doesn't it? In fact I must try manually editing the values again now we're on version 2.54 and see how stable the result is. I seem to remember looking at this back around v2.4x ish and totally stiffing the machine on more than one occasion. Oh well, play time begins once more... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:13:18 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108040 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940717115:20:07198:22; Sat, 23 Oct 99 22:18:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007220; 23 Oct 99 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16632 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:51:16 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16627 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:51:14 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup023.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.55]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA17163 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:51:38 GMT Message-ID: <38129DEC.40B0@bnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:49:32 -0700 From: Mike Williams Organization: Akalat Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... References: <107910@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > Well the repro man himself denies ever having used OPI. Not worth > investing in the kit... What he is keen on is DCS. > > DCS is yet another PostScript variant, one where there are 5 files for an > image, one with a preview, and 4 others for the CMYK planes. > Typically the image can be JPEG'd to save memory. > > Impression combines all 5 files in RAM. > That all begs the question of where to get an image in DCS format. T-J Repro do this with a plug-in to Photoshop. I long since asked Spacetech to add this format to Photodesk, but so far to no avail. All the benefits of referenced pictures in OvnPro are lost when the resulting PostScript file has to contain all images uncompressed. OPI is one solution which has worked for some Impression Plus users (see Acorn Publisher Vol. 1 Issue 5)., and might work for OvnPro. As things stand I would feel that DCS is a better route for most RISC OS users. Having said that my current task is typesetting a near A4 size book which consists very largely of colour photos (80 pages of them) - suggestions welcome! Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:13:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108044 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:13:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940709377:10:24323:17; Sat, 23 Oct 99 20:09:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024014; 23 Oct 99 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16354 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:40:34 +0100 Received: from mars.skynet.co.uk (mars.skynet.co.uk [195.188.45.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16349 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:40:32 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-119.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.119]) by mars.skynet.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA07085 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:39:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 00:50:01 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... Message-ID: <585a3a5549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <107748@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > So does anyone actually use or want to use OPI? > > Shall I take the 'Schroedingers cat' approach... claim to support > OPI and wait to see if anyone actually tries to use it. ( I've not upgraded past 2.51 since I have day to day business things to use OP for and don't want to risk any problems until I can also allocate time to deal with them...However...) Is OPI the route one needs to use to have an ArtWorks headed paper graphic, in a 'libarary' directory, which is inserted (and shown on screen when editing) into all headed paper documents, but not saved with them - thus enabling individual documents to be much smaller since they only contain a file name not a graphic; and enabling headed paper documents to be updated (changed phone number, website etc) just by editing the central source graphic? If OPI is _the_ way to do this then it's wot I really, really want. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:13:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108046 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:13:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940716784:10:05451:17; Sat, 23 Oct 99 22:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005334; 23 Oct 99 22:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16654 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:59:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA16649 for ; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 22:59:16 +0100 Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.143]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11f9Aj-000L9L-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:57:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:48:53 +0100 Subject: Re: NewFrame applet and text re-scale Message-ID: <495592238efrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <107967@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <107967@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <107967@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Could OvPRO be enhanced to allow right-drag of a text frame's > >handles to resize the all text within it (even multiline) in a > >manner similar to the rescaling of a graphic frame's contents? > Its a possibility. Not next week, but it is something I have > considered. I'm sure it is not quite what Pete Bready wants, but if you create the text in Draw and do not convert to paths you then have the option of editing by OLEing back into Draw. Then the size/shape of the text in the frame can be changed using the graphics functions (Modify Picture dialogue box) available in OPro. This works whether the picture of the text is embedded or in an independent frame. On the other hand, I'm just a simple soul! -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.13a on RPC, SA, OS 4.02, Ovation Pro 2.54. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:14:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108057 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:14:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940758180:10:16207:18; Sun, 24 Oct 99 09:43:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102321; 24 Oct 99 9:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17826 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:27:10 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17821 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:27:08 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.6]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA24425 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:11:05 +0100 Message-ID: <381340E5.4F3C@net.ntl.com> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:24:53 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NewFrame applet and text re-scale References: <107967@pilling.demon.co.uk> <495592238efrank3@watsnees.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Frank Watkinson wrote: > > I'm sure it is not quite what Pete Bready wants, but if you create the > text in Draw and do not convert to paths you then have the option of > editing by OLEing back into Draw. Then the size/shape of the text in > the frame can be changed using the graphics functions (Modify Picture > dialogue box) available in OPro. This works whether the picture of the > text is embedded or in an independent frame. > Thanks - that would also possibly work, but wouldn't right-drag of a text frame be sooooo much easier - the text could still be spell-checked, stylised etc etc! After asking this question, I didn't realise how much this could be used until I read my newspaper yesterday - look at all the column headings. I bet (or at least hope) that they weren't sized by trial and error! -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:14:37 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108061 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:14:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940762930:20:24494:17; Sun, 24 Oct 99 11:02:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024290; 24 Oct 99 11:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18098 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:46:48 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18093 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:46:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 14288 invoked from network); 24 Oct 1999 10:45:20 -0000 Received: from usern018.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.51) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 24 Oct 1999 10:45:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:47:04 +0100 Subject: Global Clipboard Q... Message-ID: <4955fa57a3df.symes@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Okay dokay... Before I get to the question... to save a lot of pointless traffic telling me what I already know... If I want to take a graphic (Sprite/Draw) out of Imp Publisher, I can do it by bringing up the Save Graphic dialogue and dragging the "GraphStory" icon directly into an Ov Pro Frame. So sorry folks I don't need any answers telling me other ways of doing it... that don't directly relate to the question below. Pre-amble to the question... Those who know me, will be aware of my enthusiasm for the Global Clipboard concept. So why... If I can Ctrl-C a piece of text out of Publisher and then Ctrl-V, paste it into Ovation Pro, can't I do the same with a Sprite/Draw graphic? Well yes... a Paste does occur, but not the graphic image as such... :-( Answers most gratefully received on the specific question. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:14:43 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108064 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940764105:20:03688:17; Sun, 24 Oct 99 11:21:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109727; 24 Oct 99 11:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA18147 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:53:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA18142 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 11:53:34 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11fLFn-000DeH-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:52:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 19:20:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #264 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4954f6f60crichard@4qd.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 22 Oct, Richard Torrens wrote: > Big problem this.. > > I suspect that most times when someone does not like a program, is > really because it doesn't behave the way he expects. > > One possible way of overcoming this is to write a very good introduction > to the program. If this is done correctly, then it should be readable, > interesting and should not attempt to teach, but by the time a > prospective new user has read it, its not only whetted his appetite but > also told him what to expect! The articles I wrote for Acorn Publisher are a little like this. But I guess it wouldn't be fair to make them freely available Of course if Mike did make them available to others, via the net, then they might lead to the readers subscribing to the magazine. But who knows? > > The problem is - it's very difficult to write like this. Takes someone > who not only knows the program but who also can 'forget' their > specialist knowledge, and who's got good writing skills. It's probably > easier to find hen's teeth. > > But without such writing, it's difficult to convince people to change > horses, however better the new horse! > -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:15:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108077 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:15:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940784344:10:05530:22; Sun, 24 Oct 99 16:59:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005407; 24 Oct 99 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18973 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:30:46 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18968 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:30:44 +0100 Received: from [195.102.204.66] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11fRSu-0001On-00; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:29:57 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:06:44 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 17:06:30 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NewFrame applet and text re-scale Message-ID: <8696175649%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <381340E5.4F3C@net.ntl.com> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Pete Bready wrote: > Frank Watkinson wrote: > > > > I'm sure it is not quite what Pete Bready wants, but if you create the > > text in Draw and do not convert to paths you then have the option of > > editing by OLEing back into Draw. Then the size/shape of the text in > > the frame can be changed using the graphics functions (Modify Picture > > dialogue box) available in OPro. This works whether the picture of the > > text is embedded or in an independent frame. > > > > Thanks - that would also possibly work, but wouldn't right-drag of a > text frame be sooooo much easier - the text could still be > spell-checked, stylised etc etc! After asking this question, I didn't > realise how much this could be used until I read my newspaper yesterday > - look at all the column headings. I bet (or at least hope) that they > weren't sized by trial and error! Resizing text like would not be a good strategy in cases like this: the thicknesses of strokes, aspect ratio etc would be randomly altered. Layout packages for newspapers usually allow space (both letterspacing and leading) to be adjusting automatically to fill the frame. It's still a bit kludgy, but allows quick and dirty copyfitting. Designing ads, posters, flyers etc provide more opportunity for treating text as a graphic - but then, as Frank Watkinson suggested, you can use a draw text file. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:15:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108080 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:15:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940794587:10:24367:20; Sun, 24 Oct 99 19:49:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117595; 24 Oct 99 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19339 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:16:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19334 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 20:16:54 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11fT6o-0002Tz-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 24 Oct 1999 19:15:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 14:05:50 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <38129DEC.40B0@bnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 24 Oct, Mike Williams wrote: > David Pilling wrote: > > > > Well the repro man himself denies ever having used OPI. Not worth > > investing in the kit... What he is keen on is DCS. > > > > DCS is yet another PostScript variant, one where there are 5 files for an > > image, one with a preview, and 4 others for the CMYK planes. > > Typically the image can be JPEG'd to save memory. > > > > Impression combines all 5 files in RAM. > > > That all begs the question of where to get an image in DCS format. T-J > Repro do this with a plug-in to Photoshop. I long since asked Spacetech > to add this format to Photodesk, but so far to no avail. > > All the benefits of referenced pictures in OvnPro are lost when the > resulting PostScript file has to contain all images uncompressed. OPI is > one solution which has worked for some Impression Plus users (see Acorn > Publisher Vol. 1 Issue 5)., and might work for OvnPro. As things stand I > would feel that DCS is a better route for most RISC OS users. > > Having said that my current task is typesetting a near A4 size book > which consists very largely of colour photos (80 pages of them) - > suggestions welcome! We look forward to the write-up of this job in AP ;) Suggestion: have the images stripped in?? What is the total size in mb of these images? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:16:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108089 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:16:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940842641:10:13386:39; Mon, 25 Oct 99 09:10:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108607; 25 Oct 99 9:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21011 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:51:31 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21006 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:51:29 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06218 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:51:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA13136 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:51:22 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Risograph GR3770 Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 09:51:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bf1ec6$15bc19b0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <002001bf1c93$ad5285a0$3aeeabc3@pc1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mike Pearn wrote: > I have no problems using PS printer drivers for for the above > machines, but > cannot communicate correctly with a Risograph GR 3770 using a Riso SC3500 > interface. >> Can anyone help and suggest a suitable printer driver or a way > to connect. I've done some work for a Risograph a while back - I can't recall offhand whether some of it was originated in OPro or all on a PC though. I'll check back as I've got a job which I'll need to run on a Riso in a few weeks, so it'll be useful to remember ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:17:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108106 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:17:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940871906:10:22940:41; Mon, 25 Oct 99 17:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102726; 25 Oct 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21967 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:58:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21962 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:58:57 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11fnSG-0002fd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 16:58:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: Ovation Pro mail list Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 17:50:18 +0100 Subject: Re: Style palette applet - how do I get a button for this? Message-ID: <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk>, Steve White wrote: > Hello there > I'd like to use a button for the style palette applet, but after trying > lots of things a novice might do, I still can't get a button to work on > the button bar. I've managed to get the window to appear, but is not > 'live' so is no good! Can anyone suggest a way? Somewhere on this site is a set of sprites for the three palettes together with the appropriate macros- OvationPro extras #url http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > Also - is there a way for the palette applets to be defaulted 'off' when > OP is loaded - they always come up first time. I tried saving the default document with the palettes closed but that didn't work. Having fiddled round inside the applets, the variables that need changing inside (from 1 to 0 in each case, at the start of the script file inside the Library directory of each applet) are: Colour palette - colpal_palette Page palette - pagepal_toolbox Style palette - stylepal_palette > Cheers for this > > Steve Hope that helps, Ian -- ____ __ _ _ __ _____ _ _ ____ _ _ (_ _) /__\ ( \( ) ( ) ( _ )( \/\/ )( _ \( \/ ) _)(_ /(__)\ ) ( )(__ )(_)( ) ( ) / \ / (____)(__)(__)(_)\_) (____)(_____)(__/\__)(_)\_) (__) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:23:36 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108128 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:23:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940836352:20:27006:37; Mon, 25 Oct 99 07:25:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115144; 25 Oct 99 7:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20743 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:48:25 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20738 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:48:23 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.199]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA24447 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <38146DA2.5EF2@net.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 07:48:02 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: NewFrame applet and text re-scale References: <8696175649%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > > Resizing text like would not be a good strategy in cases like > this: the thicknesses of strokes, aspect ratio etc would be > randomly altered. Layout packages for newspapers usually allow > space (both letterspacing and leading) to be adjusting > automatically to fill the frame. It's still a bit kludgy, but > allows quick and dirty copyfitting. Perhaps that would be a useful addition as well... > > Designing ads, posters, flyers etc provide more opportunity for > treating text as a graphic - but then, as Frank Watkinson > suggested, you can use a draw text file. > Much as I mentioned newspaper use, it would be more in the above areas I'd look for the facility. Using Draw files would still be a (little) bit of a bind, as I'm seldom that well-organised in assembling documents - I'd be OLE-ing more than a flamenco dancer! -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:23:54 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108133 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:23:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940847142:20:09274:18; Mon, 25 Oct 99 10:25:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100780; 25 Oct 99 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA21168 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:05:32 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21163 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:05:31 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01258 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:05:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA07495 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:05:18 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Last chance for OPI... Date: Mon, 25 Oct 1999 11:05:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bf1ed0$68fa7ae0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <42c3355549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: > I have the impression that the pre-press industry is moving away > from DCS towards composite workflows. I guess PDF has played a > part in this. Can anyone confirm? That's my impression too. As hardware RIPs are increasingly just high-end graphic workstations, rather than CLI driven boxes, a lot more of the colour management issues inherent in separation seem to be handled at pre-press from composite input files. With digital presses, composite inputs mean that the colour separations can be tweaked on the fly. For primarily textual documents, PDF is both portable and reliable, so is probably more versatile than pure PS. Nevertheless, for graphic-intensive work in particular (e.g. fine art books) I imagine that DCS/OPI will continue to hold their place. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:33:27 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108165 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:33:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940937566:20:07197:36; Tue, 26 Oct 99 11:32:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122580; 26 Oct 99 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA23577 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:13:27 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23572 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:13:25 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-9-201.easynet.co.uk [195.40.198.201]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 98EF1DB017 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 12:13:04 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 10:32:33 +0100 Subject: Num Lock key Message-ID: <4956fb314frayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R If I have an OP window open, the Number Lock key doesn't work. If I turn it off and then open an OP window, it turns it on again. If I close the OP window, it works fine and I can turn it off. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 26 19:33:56 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108171 for opro ; Tue, 26 Oct 99 19:33:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940948194:20:11834:35; Tue, 26 Oct 99 14:29:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011517; 26 Oct 99 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23978 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:07:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23973 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:07:53 +0100 Received: from moor-lane.demon.co.uk ([194.222.185.234]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11g7G5-000L0o-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 14:07:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 15:09:49 +0100 (BST) From: allan harris Subject: Upgrading problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have just upgraded to 2.54, but had a problem with an error message 'Mismatched CRC(Input file Ovat.254. Run Image is incorrect, followed by Output file also incorrect.) The upgrade program did tell me that all had not gone well. If I try to run it the program just goes belly-up and quits. Application size 1,550,101 bytes, (Applets not copied across, Col Sup not upgraded.) Do I just start again? -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO32 2PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 03:25:05 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108272 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 03:25:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940978387:20:03781:17; Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:53:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124039; 26 Oct 99 22:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24845 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24834 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gFD0-0006IA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:36:50 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:40:40 GMT Message-Id: <108199@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Global Clipboard Q... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >So why... If I can Ctrl-C a piece of text out of Publisher and then >Ctrl-V, paste it into Ovation Pro, can't I do the same with a Sprite/Draw >graphic? I can copy a picture to the global clip board in OPro and then paste that into a frame in Impression. So that works. Problem is how do I copy a picture (and not a frame containing a picture) in Impression to the clip board? Having tried pasting the frame... I perceive it seems to tell OPro the type is 000 and OPro handles it as text. I'll look into this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 03:25:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108273 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 03:25:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940980761:10:26179:20; Tue, 26 Oct 99 23:32:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025743; 26 Oct 99 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24827 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:15 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24820 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gFCw-0006IA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:36:46 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:29:20 GMT Message-Id: <108193@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is OPI the route one needs to use to have an ArtWorks headed paper graphic, >in a 'libarary' directory, which is inserted (and shown on screen when >editing) into all headed paper documents, but not saved with them - thus >enabling individual documents to be much smaller since they only contain a >file name not a graphic; and enabling headed paper documents to be updated >(changed phone number, website etc) just by editing the central source >graphic? I think the facilities in 2.54 are all you need to do this. Real OPI is for serious use in a professional printing environment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 03:25:10 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108274 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 03:25:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940978515:20:04965:19; Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:55:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004792; 26 Oct 99 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24840 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24829 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gFCz-0006IA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:36:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:34:28 GMT Message-Id: <108197@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have just upgraded to 2.54, but had a problem with an error message >'Mismatched CRC(Input file Ovat.254. Run Image is incorrect, followed by Output >file also incorrect.) The upgrade program did tell me that all had not gone well. >Do I just start again? I think so. I presume that something like this would happen if you tried to apply the 2.54 patch to a copy of 2.51, rather than 2.52. However there has been the odd comment about the upgrade. Alas the upgrader and protection system is nothing to do with me, its not going to be fixed if its bugged, and its not going to be in use for very much longer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 03:25:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108275 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 03:25:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940983019:10:19036:20; Wed, 27 Oct 99 00:10:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018756; 27 Oct 99 0:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA25335 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:54:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA25330 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:54:49 +0100 Received: from (62.188.143.219) [62.188.143.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11gGQ1-0002sG-00; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:54:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: Ovation Pro mail list Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 00:54:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Style palette applet - how do I get a button for this? Message-ID: <49574a1490sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk>, Ian Lowry wrote: > I tried saving the default document with the palettes closed but that > didn't > work. Having fiddled round inside the applets, the variables that need > changing inside (from 1 to 0 in each case, at the start of the script file > inside the Library directory of each applet) are: > Colour palette - colpal_palette > Page palette - pagepal_toolbox > Style palette - stylepal_palette > > Cheers for this > > > > Steve > Hope that helps, Ian It does, thanks Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 03:25:16 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108276 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 03:25:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940978589:20:05663:19; Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:56:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125509; 26 Oct 99 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24821 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24814 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gFCv-0006IA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:36:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:25:45 GMT Message-Id: <108191@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Last chance for OPI... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >That all begs the question of where to get an image in DCS format. Well I'm real close to being able to generate these using David Pilling's scanning software, so if there is interest I'll complete that work. Obviously though for the last 5 years people have found ways to get DCS files to slot into Impression. >All the benefits of referenced pictures in OvnPro are lost when the >resulting PostScript file has to contain all images uncompressed. Compression here is JPEG'ing. >OPI is one solution which has worked for some Impression Plus users (see >Acorn Publisher Vol. 1 Issue 5)., and might work for OvnPro. I aslo found an article in a later edition in volume 2. Can't find my copy of volume 1 at the moment. Maybe if I could, I could discover the secret of actually making Impression OPI. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 03:25:46 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108284 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 03:25:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 940980742:20:29520:20; Tue, 26 Oct 99 23:32:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029460; 26 Oct 99 23:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24847 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24837 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:37:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gFCy-0006IA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 22:36:48 +0000 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 99 22:30:58 GMT Message-Id: <108195@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Num Lock key X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I have an OP window open, the Number Lock key doesn't work. If I turn >it off and then open an OP window, it turns it on again. >If I close the OP window, it works fine and I can turn it off. All completely as expected. OP makes the NumLock key produce key strokes, you can asign macros to it. If you have some good reason for wanting to use NumLock for its normal porpoise there's a way of turning off this feature... look back in the archives. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 27 17:11:10 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108319 for opro ; Wed, 27 Oct 99 17:11:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941033923:20:21920:21; Wed, 27 Oct 99 14:18:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021603; 27 Oct 99 14:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA27061 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:42:57 +0100 Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.66.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27056 for ; Wed, 27 Oct 1999 14:42:53 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id CAA18643 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:42:14 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:17:49 +1300 Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:17:48 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Search and replace Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 29 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:42 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Colin Carnegie writes: > Surely in Edit, with wildcards, it's (one pass only) > > Find ###X09### > Replace ?0?1?2)X09?3?4?5 > Which says find 3 digits,a tab, three digits > and replace with first found second found etc And in StrongED Find ###@1"\t"### Replace @01")"@19 which says find the same as above, but set marker 1 before the tab, and replace with what's between markers 0 and 1, a ")", then what's between markers 1 and 9. > But true that's not possible in OvPro. In that context the 'context' field > would be a great addition. The problem here is that everyone wants a slightly different way of doing things. What may be more useful might be the ability to External Edit/OLE a DDL version of the current story to your favourite text editor, so that you can use whatever conventions suit you best. You could even search/replace styles more easily too. -- I do not understand the IBM memory model - Spock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 14:41:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108377 for opro ; Thu, 28 Oct 99 14:41:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941077037:10:14095:20; Thu, 28 Oct 99 02:17:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014010; 28 Oct 99 2:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28250 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:56:55 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28245 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 02:56:53 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id DAA29400 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 03:56:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11gWkW-000JKOC; Wed, 27 Oct 99 18:20 MET Message-ID: <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 18:17:40 +0200 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Button macro for the Euro symbol References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> <49574a1490sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro As a new user, I am currently trying to configure the icon bar to my liking; I am delighted with the ease with which this is possible. However, one thing has me completely baffled: I would like to create an icon bar button (sorry if I should use the wrong expressions, but I use the German version of OPro (2.52) and have to guess at the English names) which does the following sequence: Switch to the "Euro" font; type $ or UKP , which then appears as the Euro character; switch back to the font used before. Is this possible or am I asking too much? At present I have put a little frame with the Euro character on the paste board of my default document; this works rather well, but is much more hassle than a simple button click. Cheers, Jochen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 14:43:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108380 for opro ; Thu, 28 Oct 99 14:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941100078:10:25392:41; Thu, 28 Oct 99 08:41:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103811; 28 Oct 99 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28787 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:08:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28782 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:08:32 +0100 Received: from xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk ([212.228.137.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gkb4-0002rd-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 08:07:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:06:08 +0100 From: John Pettigrew To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button macro for the Euro symbol Message-ID: <17f4fa5749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> <49574a1490sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> In-Reply-To: <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> X-Organization: XL Cambridge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.07 (MsgServe/1.07a) (RISC-OS/4.02) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de>, you wrote: > I would like to create an icon bar button which does the following > sequence: > > Switch to the "Euro" font; type $ or UKP , which then appears as the > Euro character; switch back to the font used before. First, I'd suggest that this would be better as a key macro - saves changing from keyboard to mouse and back again. Second, if you're intending to upgrade to RiscOS4, don't worry because that has Euro support built in. The easiest way to do this is probably not to use a macro at all but to change your single-character-font-change setting to use the Euro font rather than Selwyn (in the Choices, available from the iconbar menu). Unless you use a lot of greek characters, this should be good enough. Then, trigger the single-font character change the usual way and type the relevant character, and you'll then be back in the previous font again. Not exactly what you asked for, but does the job and is easy to set up. HTH, John -- John Pettigrew XL Cambridge - Contract and freelance editing and writing Life sciences specialist - molecular biology, genetics, biotechnology john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk http://www.xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 17:54:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108396 for opro ; Thu, 28 Oct 99 17:54:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941122400:10:08215:31; Thu, 28 Oct 99 14:53:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008056; 28 Oct 99 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29412 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:19:24 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29405 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:19:21 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id QAA04293 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:18:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11grNi-000JKTC; Thu, 28 Oct 99 16:22 MET Message-ID: <38185B73.66CF@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:19:31 +0200 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Macro tutorial References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> <49574a1490sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <17f4fa5749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro After a few days of leafing through the manual, looking at existing macros and fiddling around with them, I have gained a very basic understanding of their operation; however, some documentation about macros and scripts would certainly be helpful; is there anything on the Net in addition to the three old Beebug articles about configuring Ovation Pro? Cheers, Jochen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 17:54:21 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108400 for opro ; Thu, 28 Oct 99 17:54:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941121691:20:06341:29; Thu, 28 Oct 99 14:41:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005938; 28 Oct 99 14:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA29409 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:19:22 +0100 Received: from leer2.shuttle.de (leer2.shuttle.de [194.95.224.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29400 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:19:20 +0100 Received: from uu1093.UUCP (uucp@localhost) by leer2.shuttle.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id QAA04290 for lists.barnet.ac.uk!ovationpro; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:18:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from Potsdam.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de by Arktur.hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m11grJw-000JKTC; Thu, 28 Oct 99 16:18 MET Message-ID: <38185A88.5903@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:15:36 +0200 From: "J. Konietzko" X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 [de] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button macro for the Euro symbol References: <495516ba7dsjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <49569f6ef3ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> <49574a1490sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> <381725A4.670B@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> <17f4fa5749.john@xl-cambridge.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > I would like to create an icon bar button which does the following > > sequence: > > > > Switch to the "Euro" font; type $ or UKP , which then appears as the > > Euro character; switch back to the font used before. > > Second, if you're intending to upgrade > to RiscOS4, don't worry because that has Euro support built in. Nott in the very near future as quite a number of programs I use regularly are not (yet?) RO4 compatible; So I will have to use the Euro font for a while yet. > The easiest way to do this is probably not to use a macro at all but to > change your single-character-font-change setting to use the Euro font rather > than Selwyn (in the Choices, available from the iconbar menu). Unless you use > a lot of greek characters, this should be good enough. Sorry, but as a maths teacher I use quite a lot of Greek characters. For now I have defined a Style which changes to the Euro font; this works well, but needs a lot more actions on my side than a moacro would: So, can it be done? Cheers, Jochen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 18:39:25 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108411 for opro ; Thu, 28 Oct 99 18:39:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941132053:20:01499:23; Thu, 28 Oct 99 17:34:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001337; 28 Oct 99 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29819 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:05:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29814 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:05:31 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11gsye-000Kp8-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:04:40 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 99 17:57:51 GMT Message-Id: <108404@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button macro for the Euro symbol X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You need code which does the following... // this is a script file which you could run from disc void main(void) { string s; int i=0; int f; caretcontext(); f=getfont(); while(getfontname(i++,s)) { if(s=="Corpus") { setfont(i-1); type("gg"); setfont(f); break; } } } The way of setting the font is moderately horrible. Replace 'Corups' with your Euro font name and 'gg' with the character for the euro. Now then you want to create a macro of which the above less the first line will be the body. Can be a button, can be a key, thats up to you. All the above junk has to go into the one line for the macro body. At this point it is useful to remember that in icons in OPro copy/paste from the clipboard works. So you're not going to have to type it... >After a few days of leafing through the manual, looking at existing >macros and fiddling around with them, I have gained a very basic >understanding of their operation; however, some documentation about >macros and scripts would certainly be helpful; is there anything on the >Net in addition to the three old Beebug articles about configuring >Ovation Pro? There have been some other magazine articles... Acorn User for example. However on the whole there is a documentation gap, a lack of both those prepared to write it, and those ready to read it ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 28 18:40:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108413 for opro ; Thu, 28 Oct 99 18:40:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941132294:10:10118:25; Thu, 28 Oct 99 17:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010092; 28 Oct 99 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29795 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:04:26 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29790 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:04:24 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s45-205-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.205]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:57:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Button macro for the Euro symbol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <38185A88.5903@hmanngym.k.nw.schule.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 28 Oct, J. Konietzko wrote: > > Nott in the very near future as quite a number of programs I use > regularly are not (yet?) RO4 compatible; So I will have to use the Euro > font for a while yet. > Are you sure? Most incompatibilites I know of can be removed by unrpotecting zero page, using the BASIC program supplied by David a while back. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 29 02:22:23 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108431 for opro ; Fri, 29 Oct 99 02:22:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941150547:20:11558:31; Thu, 28 Oct 99 22:42:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110662; 28 Oct 99 22:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30468 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:12:44 +0100 Received: from prserv.net (out5.prserv.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30463 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:12:42 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net ([139.92.81.128]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <1999102822114024300f04cke>; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:11:42 +0000 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:34:29 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Button macro for the Euro symbol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <108404@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB30468 Status: R On Thu 28 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > You need code which does the following... > > // this is a script file which you could run from disc [snipped Macro code] Excuse my butting in here, but I always find it intriguing to see the possible variations on this theme. On 24 July 1997, you wrote for me: ---------------------- "So if you want to select a font from a button this is the typical macro definition. {string s;int i=3D0;while(getfontname(i++,s)) if(s=3D=3D=95Corpus=95) {caretcontext();setfont(i-1);}} Corpus has to be replaced with the font name i.e. what appears on the font menu - just =90Sibelius=91 in the above example. If you want the bold variation, then add after setfont(), seteffect(BOLD); If you want to use a specific font, and the name is not one of the standard variations. Then this macro will do. Say you=91re after Sibelius.Tempo { string s; int i=3D0,j=3D0; while(getfontname(i++,s)) { if(s=3D=3D=95Sibelius=95) { while(getfontsubname(i-1,j++,0,s)) { if(s=3D=3D=95Tempo=95) { caretcontext(); setsubfont(i-1,j-1); return; } } } } } This macro is universal in the sense it will allow any font to be selected. You could replace =94Sibelius=95 with =94Trinity=95 and =94Temp= o=95 with =94Bold=95. In the cases where fonts have more than 4 family members, =94Tempo=95 will be replaced with =94something.somethingelse=95. Finally = note that upper/lower case matters in the strings." ---------------------- Since I often have to put in musical symbols and also unusual Central European characters I have found this last macro to be invaluable. Regards James --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 29 13:50:17 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108437 for opro ; Fri, 29 Oct 99 13:50:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941165396:20:13568:17; Fri, 29 Oct 99 02:49:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013561; 29 Oct 99 2:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31064 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:21:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31059 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 03:21:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11h1eJ-0001f0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:20:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 99 02:25:00 GMT Message-Id: <108434@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Button macro for the Euro symbol X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Excuse my butting in here, but I always find it intriguing to see the >possible variations on this theme. Oh criticised for not being consistent! Strangely enough I had forgotten the code you quote. Just goes to show how much good stuff there is to be mined from the archives. The version I've just posted is good because it changes font, inserts something, and then changes back to the original font. There is a problem with that because you're left with a font effect active. Perhaps using a style would be better because it could be unambiguously added and removed. The version you had is interesting because it shows how to set full font names - Homerton.Bold etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 1 23:31:32 1999 Received: from tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108535 for opro ; Mon, 01 Nov 99 23:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941308793:20:20273:17; Sat, 30 Oct 99 18:39:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020223; 30 Oct 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02067 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:09:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02062 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 19:09:41 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.150) [193.149.83.150] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11hcvP-0004l8-00; Sat, 30 Oct 1999 18:08:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Oct 1999 16:37:45 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #269 Message-ID: <49592bf886colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910251700.SAA21976@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199910251700.SAA21976@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Oct, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > We look forward to the write-up of this job in AP ;) > Suggestion: have the images stripped in?? > What is the total size in mb of these images? Sounds like an ideal job for Artworks, very little text which can be drag/dropped from OvnPro if desired then get the MAC to drop the images in just before film setting. My usual (and quick) way of working. Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 1 23:32:00 1999 Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA108547 for opro ; Mon, 01 Nov 99 23:31:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 941408540:10:00062:19; Sun, 31 Oct 99 22:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107018; 31 Oct 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04740 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:50:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA04735 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:50:17 GMT Received: from (193.149.90.194) [193.149.90.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11i2qC-0004Hm-00; Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:48:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr S A O Yandell To: Ovation Pro Mail list Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 21:22:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Not enough memory Message-ID: <4959cf67fcsteyan@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13c (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A curious fault which has emerged since upgrading to RISC OS4 and OP 2.54. When I try to load files which loaded perfectly well under the old regimes, I get a "Not enough memory" message. One such file is 20Mb's worth, but I have 50Mb+ free on my machine. Any suggestions gratefully received. Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message