From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106053 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938831114:20:26191:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 02:25:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117952; 2 Oct 99 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA28211 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:57:54 +0100 Received: from hummvee.islandia.is (hummvee.islandia.is [194.144.156.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28206 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 02:57:52 +0100 Received: from nas591.islandia.is (nas591.islandia.is [194.144.158.71]) by hummvee.islandia.is (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id BAA25879 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:59:11 GMT (envelope-from karri@islandia.is) From: Johannes Thordarson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OT: Nothing received from the list since 12/09/99 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 01:54:00 +0100 Organization: Thorson International ehf. Message-ID: <=VL1N8cA8y66rkTK6cl99yKHnqlk@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id CAA28207 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all, I am wondering. Is the list down for some reason, or is it my ISP not redirecting from my previous subscribed address? Old addr.: karri@treknet.is New addr.: karri@islandia.is - which I used today to resubscribe to the list. Is everyone else receiving mail from the list? Thanks for any reply. Best regards, Johannes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106054 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938861917:10:18985:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 10:58:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109979; 2 Oct 99 10:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29309 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:43:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29304 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:43:56 +0100 Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XMcm-00068z-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:42:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 11:02:55 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494aa1e8fdjohn@schild.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I also upgraded my older 2.52 version to 2.54 and got the message "Internal >error: abort on data transfer". >I changed the folowing line in the !Run file: > WimpSlot -min 1152K -max 1152K >to > WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K I think this is a very good point. In my efforts to not clobber things in old versions that users might have set up, I didn't put in a new !Run file. I wish I had... As far as I can tell if you go the 2.46->2.51->2.52->2.54 route and correctly apply the patches there will be no problem. If you do new 2.52->2.54 you may have too small a wimp slot, I say 'may' because Beebug shipped 2.52 with a slot of 1184K not 1152K as above... David Pilling Strange - my Beebug 2.52 already had 1388K WimpSlot, carried thro on upgrade to 2.54 -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106057 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938850592:20:22225:21; Sat, 02 Oct 99 07:49:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105946; 2 Oct 99 7:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA28846 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:31:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA28841 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:31:55 +0100 Received: from (62.188.135.26) [62.188.135.26] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11XJcx-0007YG-00; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:30:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 08:03:28 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > > >I also upgraded my older 2.52 version to 2.54 and got the message > "Internal > >error: abort on data transfer". > >I changed the folowing line in the !Run file: > > WimpSlot -min 1152K -max 1152K > >to > > WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K > Many thanks for that I thought it was me. Ran the download twice as I thought must be faulty > > As far as I can tell if you go the 2.46->2.51->2.52->2.54 route > and correctly apply the patches there will be no problem. > Mine has gone from 2.46, but got this problem. My WimpSlot was 1152K (never looked inside before) but just checked on original floppy from Beebug an it has 1152K, so must have come like this. Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106056 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938867760:10:28313:22; Sat, 02 Oct 99 12:36:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028198; 2 Oct 99 12:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29629 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:21:12 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA29624 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:21:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 6117 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 12:19:57 -0000 Received: from user1225.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.225) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 12:19:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Paul Hutton Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 12:52:09 +0100 Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... Message-ID: <494aabe95crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > I have happily upgraded to 2.54, but there is one little thing that has > disappeared, and it was wonderful before under 2.52: When you look at > the macros window, you used to be able to maximise it, but now under > 2.54 this is no longer possible. Any chance of re-introducing this > feature? I assume it is not too difficult to do; something in the > templates? (Not a clue, me...) I like the new layout of the dialogue > boxes, by the way. Are you sure you have the correct template file? If I click on the maximise icon in the corner of the window, the macros window opens full screen. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 14:34:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106061 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:34:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938861076:20:02451:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 10:44:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002370; 2 Oct 99 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA29199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:17:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29194 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:17:31 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XMDD-000E4N-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 10:16:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:44:03 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: now you see it, now you don't... To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David (via the ng) I have happily upgraded to 2.54, but there is one little thing that has disappeared, and it was wonderful before under 2.52: When you look at the macros window, you used to be able to maximise it, but now under 2.54 this is no longer possible. Any chance of re-introducing this feature? I assume it is not too difficult to do; something in the templates? (Not a clue, me...) I like the new layout of the dialogue boxes, by the way. Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets menu? MTIA -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 15:35:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106076 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:35:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938873826:20:08160:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008077; 2 Oct 99 14:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29816 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:18 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.force9.net [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29810 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 32236 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:47:59 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:47:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 24217 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:47:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.249) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:47:58 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:53:45 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <105599@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > >Would it be possible to have a wildcard for white space available for search > >and replace - the designation could be \w? > > So what would that match? Any number of spaces? or...? > Sorry not to be specific before - I was thinking of any combination of characters which results in white space on the printed page, except new-line or new-para. Multiple spaces (probably 3 or more for when a typist puts 2 after a full stop), combinations of spaces and tabs, combinations including non-breaking spaces. That is how I remember it working on PageMaker (it's over 2 years since I've Pagemaker), but I've no idea how you would write an algorithm which would catch all possibilities. A tall order I realise. > > >single search and replace to put them all to tabs instead of my current > >practice of replace 3 spaces with a tab, replace 2 tabs with a single tab, > >and again a few times until all are done, replace tab-space with a tab, > > > You could set up the 'fluff' applet to do this for you. > > I'll look into this, thanks for the suggestion. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 15:35:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106077 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938873000:10:02892:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:03:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119318; 2 Oct 99 14:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA29822 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:20 +0100 Received: from merlins.force9.net (merlins.force9.net [195.166.128.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29817 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:49:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 32239 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:48:05 -0000 Received: from mayfly.plus.net.uk (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by merlins.force9.net with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:48:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 24225 invoked from network); 2 Oct 1999 13:48:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.249) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 2 Oct 1999 13:48:04 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 13:05:42 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAA29818 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id OAB29822 In on Wed 29 Sep, Andy's Progs wrote: > On Wed 29 Sep 1999 (02:09:09 +0100), pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk wrote: > >One last attempt at solving this puzzle before I go to bed... those > >carriage returns... they're definitely 'New paragraphs' and not 'New > >lines'? > >SHIFT-Return inserts a 'new-line' which does not start a new paragraph > >and so does not act a boundary for the Paragraph Apply context. Return > >on its own > >is a proper new paragraph. > > > >If it's not that then I'm out of ideas...=20 > > > I've turned on the invisibles and yes, it appears that there are occasi= onally two diff > erent "carriage returns" being entered. One is a "=AC" (next to the 1 k= ey, gotten by pre > ssing shift) the other looks like a backwards "P" but filled in. h > owever, it seems to ignore the "shift-enter rule" that you mentioned ab= ove and sort of > do them at will. Once it will do a "=AC" then next time a "P". no reas= onng to it though > ! I know others have already answered the question and suggested a sticky s= hift key. Just so you know what you're looking at "=AC" is the new-line indica= tor, the "=B6" (ascii 182) like a filled backwards P is the new-para indicator= .. (It looks grotty in the system font.) Anthoyn --=20 ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 16:38:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106087 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 16:38:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938875957:20:24048:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:52:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114856; 2 Oct 99 14:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30058 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30053 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XQGi-000N9X-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:36:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:29:34 GMT Message-Id: <106074@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets >menu? Create a button macro with the body... {open_menu(script_menu(1))} David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 16:39:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106089 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 16:39:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938876204:20:26087:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 14:56:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026051; 2 Oct 99 14:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30104 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:42:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30099 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:42:57 +0100 Received: from lowri.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.160]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XQLz-000Pt1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:41:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: Paul Hutton Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 15:42:00 +0100 Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear David (via the ng) > I have happily upgraded to 2.54, but there is one little thing that has > disappeared, and it was wonderful before under 2.52: When you look at > the macros window, you used to be able to maximise it, but now under > 2.54 this is no longer possible. Any chance of re-introducing this > feature? I assume it is not too difficult to do; something in the > templates? (Not a clue, me...) I like the new layout of the dialogue > boxes, by the way. Works OK here i'm afraid! > Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets > menu? Just write a new macro, say appletmenu {open_menu(script_menu(1))} This may not appear correctly in your reader, so I will attach a zipfile with another copy. Also a copy of my button sprite. Hope that helps, Ian begin 644 new.zip M4$L#!!0``@`(`/-T0B>`EOS4(@```"<````(`!@`5&5X=&9I;&5!0Q0`05)#a M,$G___\+/[M*`P````````!++"C(22W)3*JSB](S8L'L36*DXLR"TH@a M;$--S5H`4$L#!!0``@`(`!QU0B?L#,1M_W1HS1:-O6:)K&a M""$855498^Y:8QA@X#/1(S$,T0AO,#@F$%GQWN](XCWD-70?/H@V#;!Z$`]$a MU[6X%HC31EQF.V0_B4=URD[)50^_./WA75%_*GQ?^/2[J<:X[7B+?'#BS*YQ'ETMV^3>.SZPN!2FE._Y7RCZEXR?7>7*1LSGSa M\3@_7^;/.WX!4$L!`A0-%``"``@`\W1")X"6_-0B````)P````@`&```````a M`````("!`````%1E>'1F:6QE04,4`$%20S!)____"S^[2@,`````````4$L!a M`A0-%``"``@`''5")]RVMA3^````F`(```H`&````````````(:!8````&%Pa M<&QE=&UE;G5!0Q0`05)#,$GY__\>7;M*,P````````!02P4&``````(``@">a )````G@$`````a end RiscOS filetype : DDC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 16:39:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106090 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 16:39:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938876725:20:00644:19; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100267; 2 Oct 99 15:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA30044 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA30039 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 15:37:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XQGT-000N9X-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 14:35:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:03:34 GMT Message-Id: <106063@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >Mine has gone from 2.46, but got this problem. My WimpSlot was 1152K (never >looked inside before) but just checked on original floppy from Beebug an it has >1152K, so must have come like this. Yes but, the 2.46 to 2.51 patch correctly applied replaces the 2.46 !Run file. This (a) changes the slot size to 1388K and (b) stops all the messing with having to click on the right !OvnResDir By my calculations the minimum slot size for 2.54 is 1157K - given in general it must be rounded to the nearest 32K - 1184K should be OK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 17:40:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106099 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:40:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938879729:20:24942:25; Sat, 02 Oct 99 15:55:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024866; 2 Oct 99 15:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30365 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:40:53 +0100 Received: from mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30360 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:40:51 +0100 Received: from iserlohn.netsurf.de (hennen15.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.207]) by mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA20768 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:39:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:38:54 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro 2.54g was Re: OPro 2.49g was Re: News Message-ID: <7aabc04a49.march@fxweb.de> References: <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de> In-Reply-To: <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA30361 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB30365 on 09. july 99 Martin Vethake wrote in message <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de>: >>> the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour >>> Supplement seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. >>> is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgrad= e >>> to 2.52 from your website? >> >> I was talking to UCS last week about sorting out 2.52 - german. So I g= uess >> that will appear in due course. >> > This being the last day before our summer holiday I can only say > that we will take that on in August. So please anybody don't hold Your > breath ;) as i had made my experiences with UCS so far, i didn=B4t hold it. :-> i might be the only one interested in a german version but may i suggest nevertheless that you skip translating 2.52 and go directly to 2.54? :-> thanks in advance, march. --=20 saying your os is better because more people use it is like saying mcdonald's makes the best food in the world. www.riscos.com=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:07:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106106 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938919843:20:06337:19; Sun, 03 Oct 99 03:04:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108093; 3 Oct 99 3:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA31862 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:35:03 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA31847 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 03:34:58 +0100 Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p238-tnt7.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.203.238]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA14279 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:33:32 +1300 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 12:16:49 +1300 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106096@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 03 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > >Yes but, the 2.46 to 2.51 patch correctly applied replaces the 2.46 !Run > >file. This (a) changes the slot size to 1388K and (b) stops all the messing > >with having to click on the right !OvnResDir > > It follows that if you're having to update the wimp slot > by hand, then you're missing any changes to the rest of !Run > and probably other files too. > > In summary it seems to be just the old thing about > the patching process either not being done correctly or > the instructions not being clear enough. You are so right about the patching not being done correctly and other files not being changed properly says he, red faced after trying 4 times to get 2.54 from 2.46 and resorting to insert the wimpslot size by hand. By being more careful I got 2.54 without need to insert wimpslot sizes in !Run and found different file sizes relative to the version with the hand insertion. So be warned if you have used the wimpslot insertion method - other things may be only partially what they should be if my investigation means significant differences in function are also present!! This does, however, bring up a point which may be valid. If the end product is flawed there is no way with !Run and other 'text' files of knowing an earlier version has not been modified as it should be. Would it be possible to insert a line saying what the version is now? I knew I had fluffed initially when I found the 1152K line in my alleged 2.54. It would have been much easier to be told right at the top that this isthe !Run file for 2.46 (not 2.54 as expected). Perhaps for future upgrades? Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: facts *might* just relate to the club. -- J.M.A. Brown |Secretary/Treasurer, Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |For club matters contact me via email if you can Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610, RISC OS 4, StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106109 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:07:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938947899:20:19601:18; Sun, 03 Oct 99 10:51:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019588; 3 Oct 99 10:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32552 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:35:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA32547 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:35:45 +0100 Received: from (62.188.131.226) [62.188.131.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11XiyA-0001xJ-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 11:34:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: Paul Hutton Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 11:34:12 +0100 Subject: Re: now you see it, now you don't... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a MIME encapsulated message. --494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96 Content-Type: text/plain In article , P Hutton wrote: > Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of applets > menu? {open_menu(script_menu(1))} Button sprite attached Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers --494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96 Content-Type: application/riscos; Name="applet,FF9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: BASE64 AQAAABAAAABcAwAATAMAAGFwcGxldAAAAAAAAAQAAAATAAAAAAAAAB8AAAAs AAAAvAEAABwAAAD///////////////////////////////////////////31 /////////////////////3xHRURM8P/////////////+/v58eFNHRkZMW/// /////////vxZ8EZERURMUEZF0///////9k9PbCIkIVhFIkAiT9NO/P////31 evR4Tk5OQkFBQUJB8f/////+8vf+8XxOQUFAQUVGR0ZN/v////X3//b0eEZB QEJGeHl8eEbx////8v/28nhOQUFBRnx1dXx8R0////71/vP0R0NAQEJHeXV1 dXx4Qv///nr29XlNQCNARXh8dXV1cXhF////9fL18EZAQEBOR3h8dHl8W0L/ ///09fF4RkAiQEJHeHx5fHhHTv////55fPBGQEBAQkZHT1N4eEZP//////Bb eEZAIkBBTUZHR09GQvL//////kdHQkEiQEBCQkZDRkJP////////8U1CQEAi QEBCQUVBTv//////////8U1AIUAiQCNASfD///////////////7y/fH88f7/ ////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD//wAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAD///////8AAAAAAAAAAAAA//////////////8AAAAAAAAA AP////////////////8AAAAAAP////////////////////8AAAD///////// //////////8AAAAA//////////////////////8AAAD///////////////// /////wAAAP//////////////////////AAD///////////////////////8A AP///////////////////////wAAAP//////////////////////AAAA//// //////////////////8AAAD//////////////////////wAAAAD///////// ////////////AAAAAP///////////////////wAAAAAAAP////////////// //8AAAAAAAAAAP//////////////AAAAAAAAAAAAAAD/////////AAAAAAAA AA== --494b289232r3rdNRhlISC9vR0p4yRz96-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106112 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938883699:10:26500:17; Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:01:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026495; 2 Oct 99 17:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30683 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:32:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30678 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:32:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XS3n-0004mP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 16:31:00 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:08:09 GMT Message-Id: <106096@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes but, the 2.46 to 2.51 patch correctly applied replaces the 2.46 !Run >file. This (a) changes the slot size to 1388K and (b) stops all the messing >with having to click on the right !OvnResDir It follows that if you're having to update the wimp slot by hand, then you're missing any changes to the rest of !Run and probably other files too. In summary it seems to be just the old thing about the patching process either not being done correctly or the instructions not being clear enough. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106118 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938884672:10:04003:18; Sat, 02 Oct 99 17:17:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003916; 2 Oct 99 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA30814 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:03:25 +0100 Received: from hummvee.islandia.is (hummvee.islandia.is [194.144.156.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30809 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 18:03:23 +0100 Received: from nas552.islandia.is (nas552.islandia.is [194.144.158.32]) by hummvee.islandia.is (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA66549 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:04:32 GMT (envelope-from karri@islandia.is) From: Johannes Thordarson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OT: Nothing received from the list since 12/09/99 Date: Sat, 02 Oct 1999 17:02:11 +0100 Organization: Thorson International ehf. Message-ID: References: <=VL1N8cA8y66rkTK6cl99yKHnqlk@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <=VL1N8cA8y66rkTK6cl99yKHnqlk@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA30810 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I'm now receiving again from the list to my new addr. Thanks to Andy Carter, Alasdair Murden and David Pilling for their replies. Regards, Johannes On Sat, 02 Oct 1999 01:54:00 +0100, I wrote: >I am wondering. Is the list down for some reason,... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106130 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938961292:10:20166:18; Sun, 03 Oct 99 14:34:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020117; 3 Oct 99 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00488 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:06:47 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00483 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:06:41 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user188.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.120]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA09896 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:05:12 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:58:32 +0100 Subject: Applet menu macro button Message-ID: <494b3b5136marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Oct, Steve White wrote: > In article , P > Hutton wrote: > > Old battle cry- an applet/button bar icon that opens the list of > > applets menu? > {open_menu(script_menu(1))} Button sprite attached > > Cheers Steve Excellent! Thank you! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106134 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938965177:10:23668:18; Sun, 03 Oct 99 15:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107137; 3 Oct 99 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00647 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00642 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:11:00 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XnGX-0006Pf-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 15:09:33 +0000 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 16:08:17 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: f4... To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Can anyone help me on this: I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a space instead, but I don't even want that! Any help gratefully received. -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106136 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939067243:20:11560:19; Mon, 04 Oct 99 20:00:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011370; 4 Oct 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03668 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:42:08 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03663 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 20:42:05 +0100 Received: from freja (freja.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.248.25]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA20239 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:41:51 +1300 (NZDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation ML Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 07:41:41 +1200 Subject: Styles OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: <494bde91dbkh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, On 04 Oct, Colin Woolf wrote: > This is a repeatable occurence ! > 1. Bring up Edit Styles box, drag a Stylesheet onto window and > overwrite all styles by clicking on the overwrite button. > 2. Click OK, then click in document window, and click on Select All > macro button on top toolbar. > Ovation suffers Type 5 error > Hope this helps David ! Otherwise none of the other problems have > occurred so far ! I thought that I would try the above to see if it failed for me [RISC PC - ARM710 - RISC OS 3.6 - 24Mb memory - Window Manager 3.98 - Ovation Pro 2.54] Scenario --------- 1. Load Ovation Pro to icon bar. 2. Click Menu on icon bar -> Stationery -> View to open a directory which I knew contained at least one style sheet. 3. Select click on icon bar icon to open a blank default document -> "Message from Ovation Pro" window absolutely blank except for the continue button and OvnPro and exclamation mark icons on the left. 4. Click on continue and the window disappears - everything else appears to be normal. I cannot reproduce Colin's Type 5 error. This bug, too is repeatable - every time I take the actions 1, 2 and 3 in that order - but only the FIRST time after booting from switch-on (re-loads of Ovation Pro behave normally)! - the blank message window appears. Whether this is a related problem I cannot say - but it is interesting rather than a problem, isn't it? Regards, Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:08:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106138 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:08:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938977231:10:08950:17; Sun, 03 Oct 99 19:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008893; 3 Oct 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01122 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:06:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01117 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:06:27 +0100 Received: from (62.188.138.50) [62.188.138.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Xq0E-0000ir-00; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:04:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 18:34:24 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Euros, tic(k)s and other irritations (Was OvationPro 2.54 available now...) Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hmm, off topic, but I can't resist: I keep my accounts using the now venerable Almanac, which (thankfully ) is still functioning on Risc OS 4. However, when I reconcile a statement sheet, instead of each item amount being ticked, it's now converted to Euros. Apparently the rate of exchange is exactly 1UKP to 1 Euro ;-) On a more serious note, how can I place the sprite 'tick' in an OvnPro document? Do I have to copy it from Resources.$.Resources.Wimp.Sprites22-tick (or a copy thereof), or is there a keyboard short-cut? TIA Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:13:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106148 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:13:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939019854:10:17477:33; Mon, 04 Oct 99 06:50:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110894; 4 Oct 99 6:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02376 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA02371 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:37 +0100 Received: from (62.188.138.223) [62.188.138.223] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Y1U8-0002Gx-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 07:20:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:26:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Styles OvnPro 2.54 Message-ID: <494b595bc1colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199910021541.QAA30374@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199910021541.QAA30374@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi This is a repeatable occurence ! 1. Bring up Edit Styles box, drag a Stylesheet onto window and overwrite all styles by clicking on the overwrite button. 2. Click OK, then click in document window, and click on Select All macro button on top toolbar. Ovation suffers Type 5 error Hope this helps David ! Otherwise none of the other problems have occurred so far ! Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:14:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106158 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939111929:10:14045:55; Tue, 05 Oct 99 08:25:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013675; 5 Oct 99 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA04980 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:04:20 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04975 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:04:18 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA01015 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:03:54 +0200 (METDST) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:59:06 +0100 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Crash on Stationery Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, I have Ovation Pro 2.54, RISC OS 4.02 Stationary applet 1.05 When trying to open a stationery document through the menu I get the following message: Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=5 But when I open an OvpStyle document through the stationery menu first, the other documents load correct. The stationary documents are DDL files. But opening a ddl file direct as first document doesn't crash Ovation Pro So something between stationery and ROS 4 I think because 2.51 doesn't work correct either. Maarten ps. was there a wishlist somewhere? I just read the specs of adobe indesign, so I can think of some nice features at the moment -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 19:15:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106168 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:15:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939140177:10:18632:38; Tue, 05 Oct 99 16:16:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018476; 5 Oct 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05876 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:35 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05870; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:47:33 +0100 Message-Id: <199910051447.PAA05870@omega.barnet.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Subject: Majordomo results: Styles OvnPro 2.54 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- >>>> Greetings, **** Command 'greetings,' not recognized. >>>> On 04 Oct, Colin Woolf wrote: **** Command 'on' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > This is a repeatable occurence ! **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > 1. Bring up Edit Styles box, drag a Stylesheet onto window and **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> > overwrite all styles by clicking on the overwrite button. **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > 2. Click OK, then click in document window, and click on Select All **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> > macro button on top toolbar. **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > Ovation suffers Type 5 error **** Command '>' not recognized. >>>> >>>> > Hope this helps David ! 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If you have any questions or problems, please contact "Majordomo-Owner@lists.barnet.ac.uk". -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 20:23:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106176 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 20:22:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939150842:10:04066:38; Tue, 05 Oct 99 19:14:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003572; 5 Oct 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA06074 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:02:36 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (temp-mail.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06068 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:02:33 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00719 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:02:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199910051602.SAA00719@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 05 Oct 1999 07:47:56 GMT Subject: Re: OPro 2.54g was Re: OPro 2.49g was Re: News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB06074 In your earlier message you wrote: > >on 09. july 99 Martin Vethake wrote >in message <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de>: > >>>> the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour >>>> Supplement seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. >>>> is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgra= de >>>> to 2.52 from your website? >>> >>> I was talking to UCS last week about sorting out 2.52 - german. So I = guess >>> that will appear in due course. >>> >> This being the last day before our summer holiday I can only say >> that we will take that on in August. So please anybody don't hold Your >> breath ;) > >as i had made my experiences with UCS so far, i didn=B4t hold it. :-> > >i might be the only one interested in a german version but may i suggest >nevertheless that you skip translating 2.52 and go directly to 2.54? :-> > We do have 2.53 ready in german. On 9 Sep I put this on our web-site: : Die aktuelle deutsche Version (2.53) von Ovation Pro ist jetzt : verfügbar. Bitte schicken Sie uns alle : Disketten zum Update ein. Yes, we do want to do a conventional mailing for the new version too. Apologies for the delay but a wholly new copy-protection / registration scheme had to be implemented and tested. As for the intermediate versions of OP like 2.50, 2.51 or 2.52: all of them were translated fine but none were fit for proper release. Remember we put all german useres on 2.49g discs and all of the newer versions being based off 2.46 ? We really would not have managed to swap discs fast enough to distribute any of those versions. Those beebug discs were copy-protected like the emperor's marbles... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:35:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106190 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 21:35:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939075973:20:05356:19; Mon, 04 Oct 99 22:26:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005223; 4 Oct 99 22:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03997 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03992 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:44 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.108) [62.188.136.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YGAl-00051G-00; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:01:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A. Thompson" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:00:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: f4... Message-ID: <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Can anyone help me on this: > I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story > with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of > doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I > remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a > space instead, but I don't even want that! > Any help gratefully received. > -- > Paul Hutton > "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and > those who can't." If I have understood your problem correctly: 1. turn off smart quotes if in use 2. use f4 and enter " in the find box 3. leave the replace box empty 4. click go and either select replace on each occurrence or replace to end of file This will remove all occurrences but replace with nothing causing the text to move one place to the left for each " removed. HTH -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / Doug Thompson | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ dathompson@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:36:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106191 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 21:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939077462:20:22745:18; Mon, 04 Oct 99 22:51:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022642; 4 Oct 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04107 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:35:20 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04102 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:35:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 7341 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 22:34:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 22:34:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 7140 invoked from network); 4 Oct 1999 22:34:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.95.133) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 4 Oct 1999 22:34:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 4 Oct 1999 23:19:22 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: f4... To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Can anyone help me on this: > > I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in the story > with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so is there a way of > doing a search and replace to remove the speech marks completely? I > remember dimly about a way of replacing with something like /x0a to add a > space instead, but I don't even want that! > > Any help gratefully received. > Search for speech marks, leave the replace field blank, and replace each occurrence. You are then replacing with nothing - just removing the speech marks. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Oct 5 21:36:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106200 for opro ; Tue, 05 Oct 99 21:36:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939141821:20:04201:22; Tue, 05 Oct 99 16:43:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003020; 5 Oct 99 16:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05993 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:41:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05988 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:41:04 +0100 Received: from (193.149.75.230) [193.149.75.230] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YWhk-00038q-00; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:40:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: Ovation List Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 16:34:32 +0100 Subject: Joining files Message-ID: <494c4bc769tomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have produced a series of booklets and have chosen to prepare them as separate chapter files. Is there an easy way to join these files together? Thanks, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 02:38:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106250 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 02:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939161834:20:29214:32; Tue, 05 Oct 99 22:17:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106007; 5 Oct 99 22:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06870 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:57:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06865 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:57:48 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11YcaE-000B4c-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:57:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:24:54 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message "m.m.ottens" wrote: > Hi, > > I have Ovation Pro 2.54, RISC OS 4.02 Stationary applet 1.05 > > When trying to open a stationery document through the menu I get the > following message: > > Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=5 > > But when I open an OvpStyle document through the stationery menu first, the > other documents load correct. The stationary documents are DDL files. But > opening a ddl file direct as first document doesn't crash Ovation Pro > > So something between stationery and ROS 4 I think because 2.51 doesn't work > correct either. Same set up... can't reproduce your problem. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:18:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106300 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:18:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939178772:20:06684:18; Wed, 06 Oct 99 02:59:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005966; 6 Oct 99 2:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07364 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07356 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yh1j-0001zP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:41:59 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 03:35:51 GMT Message-Id: <106290@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Joining files X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have produced a series of booklets and have chosen to prepare them as >separate chapter files. Is there an easy way to join these files together? No 8-( I guess you're either stuck with copy and paste betweend documents, or splicing the DDL files together. Thats highly effective but you'd need a good head for DDL to make it work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:18:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106301 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:18:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939179479:20:18601:18; Wed, 06 Oct 99 03:11:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121947; 6 Oct 99 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA07368 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA07361 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 03:42:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yh1l-0001zP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:42:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 03:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <106292@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >stationery crash crashes for me... I will investigate. And thankss for the other bug reports. I'll have a look at those too. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:34:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106308 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:33:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939192542:10:05599:20; Wed, 06 Oct 99 06:49:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005316; 6 Oct 99 6:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA07857 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:33:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA07852 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:33:47 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.149) [193.149.71.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11YkdY-0004A4-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:33:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 07:35:24 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Upgrades via a PC? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAA07853 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id HAB07857 Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro.=20 >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through necess= ity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC and one = of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying monthly, only t= o find access more and more web sites denied me....but that=91s another s= tory) So, I have two computers, linked via switching gear. I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will continu= e to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with the use= r group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Is t= here an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge and return p= ostage?) Is there a =90freeserve=91 for the Acorn market? Is it possible= to download a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I=91ve tried this and I can=91t ge= t it to work, but then I=91m no techie) Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. Kindest regards, Paul Paul Hedge Torquay --=20 __ __ __ __ __ ___ ___________________________________________= __ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machin= es ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 14:34:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106309 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:34:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939196906:10:15330:57; Wed, 06 Oct 99 08:01:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124999; 6 Oct 99 8:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA08042 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:43:04 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08036 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 08:43:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 27890 invoked from network); 6 Oct 1999 07:42:30 -0000 Received: from userb661.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.83.136) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 1999 07:42:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 08:35:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Message-ID: <494ca3bc1bdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Paul wrote: > Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro. > >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through > >necessity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC > >and one of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying > >monthly, only to find access more and more web sites denied me....but > >that's another story) So, I have two computers, linked via switching > >gear. > I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will > continue to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with > the user group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades > etc? Is there an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge > and return postage?) Is there a 'freeserve' for the Acorn market? Is it > possible to download a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I've tried this and I > can't get it to work, but then I'm no techie) > Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. > Kindest regards, > Paul Paul, Not an Ov Pro subject granted, but of general interest so a quick reply. I too was getting the grumps with RO internetting, however... Using Fresco and the ANT Https128 module, it is now possible for me to do Online banking, and for SWMBO to do her online shopping. While we still do use !Voyager (SWMBO only uses that and nothing else), I don't use it very much as some time ago I began using Socketeer, PopsStar and NewsHound... with Pluto as my News/Mail read/Writer. This combination now allows me to have multiple Free accounts, and the SSL 128 gives me access to many secured sites. Javascript still remains a problem, though the beta JSFresco may be a bit wobbly, it will access many JS sites okay (ish). I should imagine from what Paul has been saying JS is not that far away. But then again... Argo were saying that last Christmas/New year. :-( So... while we are still a long way behind PC land internetting, it is now possible to get as some important stuff. You need to email Paul at Argo if you want a copy of the Https128 module. Cheers Dave S PS: Regarding down loading upgrades using a PC. Doesn't matter what computer system you use (within reason), the OV Pro upgrade for example is a Spark/Zip archive. I've just gone to an IBM PC and down loaded the OV Pro upgrade, made the PC put it into the TEMP dir, dragged that to a floppy and then transferred it to my RPC... no problems. BTW...I could just as easily instructed the download wizard to download straight to the floppy. Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 18:44:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106318 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 18:43:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939219493:10:28804:31; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:18:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029018; 6 Oct 99 14:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08835 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:28:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08830 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:28:56 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.12) [62.188.133.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Yr7D-0003Bo-00; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:28:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:26:46 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Following my original posting, and suggestions of removing all applets as a cure - I did this (not just turned them off but moved them all out of the !OvPro application directory) _and_ made sure none of the filters were booted _and_ did a shift_ctrl reset so nothing else except !Scrap and !System and !OPro were loaded- the problem still occurred. It seems to boil down to: if, after some full pages, there is an 'empty' last page which exists only because, say, there are some on it and no text or pictures or indeed anything other than master frames, and those returns are deleted, and that last page disappears, then causes a Type 5 error, OPro crashes and the pointer disappears until F12 - ie doesn't like undoing the deletion of a page where that deletion occurs solely because with no text before them are deleted ( ie intermediate pages with text on them that are deleted can be got back with without a Type 5 error as one would expect). I've upgraded to 2.54 and it occurs in that version too. Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 18:44:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106319 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 18:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939220054:10:05786:20; Wed, 06 Oct 99 14:27:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102215; 6 Oct 99 14:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08827 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:27:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08822 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:27:36 +0100 Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242] helo=blencathra) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yr5y-000639-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:27:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 11:33:15 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: f4... Message-ID: <2108b44c49.philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> References: <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.06a (MsgServe/1.06a) (RISC-OS/3.50) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <494bf0d0b5dathompson@argonet.co.uk> "D.A. Thompson" wrote: >On 03 Oct, P Hutton wrote: > >>Dear all >>Can anyone help me on this: >>I am working on a literacy hour text (groan) and have scanned in >>the story with speech marks. I want to turn it into a script, so >>is there a way of doing a search and replace to remove the speech >>marks completely? I remember dimly about a way of replacing with >>something like /x0a to add a space instead, but I don't even want >>that! > >If I have understood your problem correctly: >1. turn off smart quotes if in use >2. use f4 and enter " in the find box >3. leave the replace box empty >4. click go and either select replace on each occurrence or replace >to end of file > >This will remove all occurrences but replace with nothing causing >the text to move one place to the left for each " removed. The solutions provided would do a straightforward replace but I've got a /feeling/ that they may not be answering the question. It's that word *script* - is it being uses as in script for a play or does it have some other Literacy Hour meaning, IYSWIM. If they are not doing what you want why not provide a short example of what you have and how you want it to be. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 20:58:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106341 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 20:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939236108:20:15416:27; Wed, 06 Oct 99 18:55:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015437; 6 Oct 99 18:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09494 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:35:21 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09489 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:35:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yvtj-000KpB-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:34:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 19:27:14 GMT Message-Id: <106335@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>stationery crash >crashes for me... I will investigate. I've fixed this now. It is nothing to do with RISC OS 4, and nothing much to do with the stationery applet. It will only occur if a normal document or style sheet has not been loaded previous to an attempt to load a DDL file (or text file or script file). And note I say 'load' double clicking (running) the file won't cause the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Oct 6 21:00:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106351 for opro ; Wed, 06 Oct 99 21:00:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939237954:10:03859:22; Wed, 06 Oct 99 19:25:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003814; 6 Oct 99 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09556 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:48:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09551 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 19:48:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Yw66-000Lc9-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 18:47:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 19:41:06 GMT Message-Id: <106338@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Euros, tic(k)s and other irritations (Was OvationPro 2.54 available now...) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >On a more serious note, how can I place the sprite 'tick' in an OvnPro >document? Do I have to copy it from Resources.$.Resources.Wimp.Sprites22-tick >(or a copy thereof), or is there a keyboard short-cut? I'd think the best suggestion would be to use a tick from a symbol font like Dingbats aka Selwyn. That should be pretty easy, Selwyn is normally the single shift font. So a tick is just two key strokes. And to make things easier you could turn them into a key macro. i.e. {'F10}b will do the trick. single quote F10 to single shift, and then 'b' gives a tick in Selwyn. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 14:27:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106402 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 14:27:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939296186:20:14241:40; Thu, 07 Oct 99 11:36:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013814; 7 Oct 99 11:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18031 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:44:23 +0100 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA18022 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:44:21 +0100 Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:43:28 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24453 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:41:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:41:30 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <106335@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > >>stationery crash > >crashes for me... I will investigate. > > I've fixed this now. It is nothing to do with RISC OS 4, > and nothing much to do with the stationery applet. > A branch-line, but this is a frequent problem I have. Is there an easy way of finding if an Applet is new. David's site has the version number, but the only way I know of finding the number of my existing version is to wade through layers on the disc. Am I being dim, and there is an easier way? Don -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 14:27:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106403 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 14:27:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939296969:20:25012:30; Thu, 07 Oct 99 11:49:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106609; 7 Oct 99 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18053 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:46:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18048 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:46:07 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.76.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZA6z-0003B4-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 10:45:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 10:45:50 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forgive me for being a bit stupid, but where is the upgrade to 2.54. I can't find it anywhere on the web site. Benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 14:28:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106404 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 14:27:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939301727:20:24918:29; Thu, 07 Oct 99 13:08:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025166; 7 Oct 99 13:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18370 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:25:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18365 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:25:42 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZBfG-0001ZD-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 12:18:13 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Version 2.54 References: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk>, Levens Software writes >Forgive me for being a bit stupid, Unforgivable, I'm afraid ;-) >but where is the upgrade to 2.54. I couldn't find it either, but fortunately I'd kept this: ******************************* OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip This is the first of series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. The main improvement is support for large pictures. There are a handful of bug fixes and improved JPEG rendering (you can now image process or rotate JPEG's). I'd say that this version is a step in the right direction, however it may well be that 2.54 is soon replaced either due to bug fixes or more progress. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Interestingly enough, it is almost 1 year to the day since the last proper upgrade. Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... David Pilling ****************************** -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 19:07:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106439 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 19:07:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939319551:10:03491:19; Thu, 07 Oct 99 18:05:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003499; 7 Oct 99 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19423 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19418 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:57 +0100 Received: from (fayqxodp) [62.188.134.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZHZL-0004PJ-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:43:07 +0100 Message-ID: <008601bf10eb$72180900$2e85bc3e@fayqxodp> From: "Colin Beswick" To: References: Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB19423 ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul To: Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 07:35 Subject: Upgrades via a PC? Slightly off topic this but still to do with Ovation Pro. >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through necessity, (ie accessing bank accounts etc.) I find I have to use a PC an= d one of the many free servers around. (I also object to paying monthly, on= ly to find access more and more web sites denied me....but that's another story) So, I have two computers, linked via switching gear. I will still use my RISCPC as my main computer and of course will continu= e to use the excellent Ovation Pro. I will still be in touch with the user group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Is the= re an address where I can send a floppy?(Plus small charge and return postag= e?) Is there a =90freeserve' for the Acorn market? Is it possible to downloa= d a RISC upgrade via a PC? (I've tried this and I can't get it to work, but t= hen I'm no techie) Any suggestions willbe gratefully recieved. Kindest regards, Paul No problems. I download all Ovation Pro upgrades via a PC. Transfer to my Acorn and us= e Spark to decompress the zipped file. Never had any problems so far. Colin Beswick -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 19:08:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106441 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 19:08:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939311089:20:28765:25; Thu, 07 Oct 99 15:44:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028478; 7 Oct 99 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18755 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:42:45 +0100 Received: from hercules.telenet-ops.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18750 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:42:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 29978 invoked from network); 7 Oct 1999 13:41:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riscpc.be) ([195.130.146.208]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Oct 1999 13:41:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 15:41:16 +0200 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <494d4914b5jdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> References: <185394d49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > Forgive me for being a bit stupid, but where is the upgrade to > 2.54. I can't find it anywhere on the web site. http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip Jan -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Oct 7 19:08:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106446 for opro ; Thu, 07 Oct 99 19:08:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939317860:20:03288:18; Thu, 07 Oct 99 17:37:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128225; 7 Oct 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19326 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:22:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19321 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:22:06 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.163) [62.188.134.163] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ZHEC-0003x5-00; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:21:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 18:07:20 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Just a thought, but I don't think this has been mentioned. What does one do now to put 2.54 on a new disc? One used to have to reinstall an old version (2.46, ISTR) and then upgrade that. Is 2.54 now transferable? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106494 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939348969:20:17557:23; Fri, 08 Oct 99 02:16:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017232; 8 Oct 99 2:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20355 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:58:09 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20350 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 02:58:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ZPHS-0007fJ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:57:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 99 01:56:18 GMT Message-Id: <106485@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Version 2.54 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just a thought, but I don't think this has been mentioned. What does one do now >to put 2.54 on a new disc? One used to have to reinstall an old version >(2.46, ISTR) and then upgrade that. Is 2.54 now transferable? No. You're in the same boat you always were. To put 2.54 on a new disc you put 2.46 on a new disc and then apply the patches. However as I said the copy protection only applies to !RunImage so the quick way is to copy 2.54, then just patch the !RunImage in an installed copy of 2.46. Finally copy the !RunImage into the 2.54. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106497 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939364545:20:16358:22; Fri, 08 Oct 99 06:35:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108205; 8 Oct 99 6:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20799 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:19:26 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20794 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:19:25 +0100 Received: from tnt-6-53 (tnt-6-53.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.53]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 22DAF7B0BF for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 07:18:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 06:53:04 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Crash on Stationery Applet Message-ID: <000da24d49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Dr. D. M. Lewis" wrote: > On Wed 06 Oct, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >>stationery crash > > >crashes for me... I will investigate. > > > > I've fixed this now. It is nothing to do with RISC OS 4, > > and nothing much to do with the stationery applet. > > > A branch-line, but this is a frequent problem I have. > Is there an easy way of finding if an Applet is new. > > David's site has the version number, but the only way I know of > finding the number of my existing version is to wade through layers > on the disc. > > Am I being dim, and there is an easier way? > > Don > > > Hi Don The Applet manager gives version numbers of all applets once set up. I find it very useful Hope this helps Dave -- Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106501 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939376711:20:04617:18; Fri, 08 Oct 99 09:58:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004612; 8 Oct 99 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21209 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:32:51 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (ihemail1.lucent.com [192.11.222.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21204 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:32:46 +0100 Received: from ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06792 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by ihemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA06781 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:31:42 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Version 2.54 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:31:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think this is beginning to become unacceptably complex. I read from a previous mailing that the new baseline was 2.52 (which I think it is for future upgrades) but I also hope to get a new machine. I did keep older copies but equally could have forgotten and wiped any 2.46 from the hard drive, which will apparently be needed when eventually I get a new box. At a minimum, perhaps future upgrade packages can capture the instructions not only for upgrading on the same machine, but also when you change machine? Also, remarks about 2.52 being the basis need qualifying. PS I had no excitement whatever with the upgrade. It just worked ;-) thanks for a great program (!trace is quite fun too!) Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 08 October 1999 02:56 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Version 2.54 > > > >Just a thought, but I don't think this has been mentioned. What does one > do now > >to put 2.54 on a new disc? One used to have to reinstall an old version > >(2.46, ISTR) and then upgrade that. Is 2.54 now transferable? > > No. You're in the same boat you always were. To put 2.54 on a new disc > you put 2.46 on a new disc and then apply the patches. > > However as I said the copy protection only applies to !RunImage so the > quick way is to copy 2.54, then just patch the !RunImage in an installed > copy of 2.46. Finally copy the !RunImage into the 2.54. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106506 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939384050:20:13750:24; Fri, 08 Oct 99 12:00:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013734; 8 Oct 99 12:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21517 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:55 +0100 Received: from leo.singnet.com.sg (leo.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.127]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21512 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 12:23:51 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1759.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.69]) by leo.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA26930 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:22:45 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:00:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Upgrades via a PC? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <008601bf10eb$72180900$2e85bc3e@fayqxodp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 07 Oct, Colin Beswick wrote: > > >From Jan 2000 I will no longer be on line via my RISC PC. Through - - - > group and web sites, but how will I go about getting upgrades etc? Don't think there'll be a problem - been doing similar things with that awful IBM jobby at work. Just save to floppy, schlepp the thing home and bung it in the decent computer. I think . . . -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:57:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106509 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:57:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939388451:20:20363:20; Fri, 08 Oct 99 13:14:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019988; 8 Oct 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21891 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:04 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21886 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:51:02 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-2-92.easynet.co.uk [195.40.196.92]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5FB227B09B for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:50:00 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:48:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <494dbd2403rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> References: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.13a (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA30D8@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com>, "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" wrote: > I read from a previous mailing that the new baseline was 2.52 (which I > think it is for future upgrades) but I also hope to get a new machine. > I did keep older copies but equally could have forgotten and wiped any > 2.46 from the hard drive, which will apparently be needed when > eventually I get a new box. AIUI the base line for /installing/ is whichever disc version you were issued with. 2.46 for the majority, but 2.52 for those who bought from Beebug more recently. Whichever version you have, you have to start off with the !Runimage from your original disc version and upgrade from that. I think the base line for /upgrading/ using David's downloads is 2.52+. So, if you change your drive details by reformatting to F+ or whatever, you need to reinstall from your original disc. But if you want to upgrade your version from a web download, you do it from 2.52 in steps up to the most recent. If that isn't correct, I'm sure David will correct me. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 8 17:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106517 for opro ; Fri, 08 Oct 99 17:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 939383613:10:19128:19; Fri, 08 Oct 99 11:53:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018409; 8 Oct 99 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21533 for ovationpro-list;