From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:54:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103000 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:54:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935866431:20:12447:17; Sat, 28 Aug 99 18:53:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102697; 28 Aug 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04543 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:36 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04538 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:34 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-99.access.ch [195.112.70.99]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20489 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:38:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:27:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 28 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >>in answer to Tony van der Hoff's mailing<< > >I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you > >are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. > >I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) > >so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, > >or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > > Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software > manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case > of me remembering things. > > I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take > more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the > hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > > Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively > been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. > (in other words I think I fixed your bug). > > With luck things should start to move forward again soon. I do believe that one should understand one major point: David did not shy away to take over the future of OvPro. One must admire his courage. Because what he actually did was not only taking over the full responsability for the further programming of OvPro, but also he accepted the challenge of masterminding the creation of a possible enhanced version, *and* has accepted the vast administrative burden of future distribution. To get things rolling on the new rails does need some time. Allow me to suggest that we leave David to his main task and do not try to burden him with trivial extra enhancements. Someone has already stated to enhance his (= the someone) original "Hint & Tips" files, maybe someone else has other ideas. I do have one and would be very grateful if someone would pick up this glove. Is someone willing to check all applets and send me an overview of the fkeys and/or other key-presses that are used by these applets? There are conflicting situations. And it spares me a lot of time. Please do let me know! Via direct email to me please so we do not overload the OP mailing list. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103007 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935920181:20:14924:22; Sun, 29 Aug 99 09:49:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116711; 29 Aug 99 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06050 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:34:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06045 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:34:01 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1IJ-000LRU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >>are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >>I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >>so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >>or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > >Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software >manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case >of me remembering things. > I do hope your memory is significantly better than mine, otherwise we're in for a lean time ;-) >I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take >more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the >hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > Yep, quite right, although in the longer term you'll probably need some sort of list of this kind. Is there anything I can realistically do to help? I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does everyone out there think of such an idea? >Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >(in other words I think I fixed your bug). > I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense of it. I'm sure you're not saying that you've fixed all bugs and infelicities that have been reported to you ? My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is (was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. It would plainly be daft and non-profitable to inundate you with reports of problems which you have either already fixed, are fixing, are unable to fix, or consider not worthwhile. >With luck things should start to move forward again soon. > Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. Best wishes, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103012 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935927804:20:14605:20; Sun, 29 Aug 99 11:56:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129712; 29 Aug 99 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06455 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:57 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06450 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:55 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-103.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.103]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21873 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:28:19 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:27:30 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Labels feature Message-ID: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all, This is an idea for a specific new feature which could be acheived by slight altering of existing ones: I have a recurrent need to print labels (i.e. a sheet of all the same labels) or business cards etc... The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label sheets. I know I can currently define a whole label sheet as a master page, I frequently do. The reason I want to define just one label is that I have a library of ArtWorks images that I use for labels which sometimes get updated. I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. Anyone got a list for this one? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103014 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935867511:10:00539:22; Sat, 28 Aug 99 19:11:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101813; 28 Aug 99 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:32 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04532 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:30 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-99.access.ch [195.112.70.99]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20492 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:38:12 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:31:19 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony, On Fri 27 Aug, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > David, > > I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you > are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. > There are a number of things that I and others have reported, but > haven't (yet) made it into the release versions. > > I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) > so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, > or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > > Note that I am not asking *when* they will be attended to, that would be > unreasonable. > > Is this possible/practical? Just watch the release notes ;-))) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103019 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935921727:10:23459:19; Sun, 29 Aug 99 10:15:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124433; 29 Aug 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06043 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:32:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06038 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:32:00 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1IH-000Acl-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:56:16 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >On Sat 28 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >>>in answer to Tony van der Hoff's mailing<< > > >I do believe that one should understand one major point: > > David did not shy away to take over the future of OvPro. One must >admire his courage. Because what he actually did was not only taking >over the full responsability for the further programming of OvPro, but >also he accepted the challenge of masterminding the creation of a >possible enhanced version, *and* has accepted the vast administrative >burden of future distribution. > >To get things rolling on the new rails does need some time. > >Allow me to suggest that we leave David to his main task and do not try >to burden him with trivial extra enhancements. Someone has already >stated to enhance his (= the someone) original "Hint & Tips" files, >maybe someone else has other ideas. That's all a bit patronising, isn't it, John? (I'll ignore your second response, which was presumably playful, judging by the smiles). We, the long-standing subscribers to this list, all know only too well what David has done to support this application, but let's not start a new religion over it. We are also well aware of what you and others have publicly contributed, and continue to do. Many more have made contributions which maybe have not been so public. All are implicitly acknowledged. My request was clearly couched in terms of *if* David has a list, *then* would it be practical to post it? As there is no list, then clearly the second question is void. It is, IMHO, not practical for any third party to generate such a list, as the transfer of information would be as much work for David as generating it in the first place. I'm unsure as to what you regard as 'trivial extra enhancements', but I am certain that David is quite capable of judging for himself what is, or isn't trivial. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103022 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935938130:20:03546:21; Sun, 29 Aug 99 14:48:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003538; 29 Aug 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06927 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:21:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06922 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:21:22 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L5oI-0004Cb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >>are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >>I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >>so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >>or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > >Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software >manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case >of me remembering things. > I do hope your memory is significantly better than mine, otherwise we're in for a lean time ;-) >I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take >more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the >hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > Yep, quite right, although in the longer term you'll probably need some sort of list of this kind. Is there anything I can realistically do to help? I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does everyone out there think of such an idea? >Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >(in other words I think I fixed your bug). > I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense of it. I'm sure you're not saying that you've fixed all bugs and infelicities that have been reported to you ? My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is (was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. It would plainly be daft and non-profitable to inundate you with reports of problems which you have either already fixed, are fixing, are unable to fix, or consider not worthwhile. >With luck things should start to move forward again soon. > Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. Best wishes, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103023 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935929302:10:06883:16; Sun, 29 Aug 99 12:21:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1111845; 29 Aug 99 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06544 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:54:09 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06539 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:54:08 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.81]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4CF for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:52:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:53:34 +0100 Subject: Labels feature Message-ID: <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), > to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. > Anyone got a list for this one? What about defining a whole label sheet, using the Duplicate function? You'll have to find out the exact X and Y offsets once. When you are about to change the original frame, just delete all others first and duplicate them again afterwards. (That's how I do this, until now. But perhaps there is a better solution?) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103037 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936005656:10:15052:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:34:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014911; 30 Aug 99 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08737 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08727 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:09 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LNYl-000KdQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:13:18 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Applet identifier To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: !HTMLinks !Quote !Imposit I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103039 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936005720:10:15461:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:35:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119738; 30 Aug 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08739 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08732 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:10 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LNYn-000KdQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:09:09 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Lack of identity To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103041 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936006093:10:18586:17; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:41:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018255; 30 Aug 99 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08839 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:26 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08834 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:24 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LNfm-0000Ke-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:18 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23337 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:22:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:23:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Lack of identity Message-ID: <49399fb7aaC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my > Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed > that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. > Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! This is one of the longest running Marcel FAQs. It is the way Marcel does things. Since you are the sender, when it displays the listing, it helpfully tells you the destination of the mail rather than who sent it (you). The important thing to remember is that *everyone* else on the maillist list sees the From: normally. This has confused many, many users of Marcel (including myself!). Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103046 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:57:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936023903:10:15902:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 14:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015393; 30 Aug 99 14:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09456 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:33 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09451 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:29 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p13-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.141]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id CAA24415 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:16 +1200 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:04 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Lack of identity To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id PAB09456 Hi Peter It happens to us all, What I send shows in my Mailbox with 'Ovation Pro Support' and what everone else sends shows who sent it.. ( Your name was in the From: column of the Mail I am replying to) Isn't it nice that we can see mail from ourselves with the list we sent it to, saves time reading it as I know I sent it ;-) =20 On Mon 30 Aug, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all >=20 > Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my > Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed t= hat > information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. >=20 > Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103054 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936095421:10:15948:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 10:30:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123992; 31 Aug 99 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11628 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:37 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11623 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:35 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Lkvf-0001jI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:15 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02516 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:12:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:36 +0100 Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > 'oi all > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is > anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? Surely, there already is a "TransRTF" importer - it is in the filters directory on my machine - I assume it came with OvPro itself. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103056 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936116535:10:22374:23; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:22:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122216; 31 Aug 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12910 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12905 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:16 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LqL6-00060N-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:00:52 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07381 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:59:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:00:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <493a47e062C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Toby Bryans wrote: > Is there an easier way of doing this (I have a tendancy to miss the > obvious ;-), is there a reason why the Ovation Pro text importer > ignores page break control characters, and is there a way of putting > breaks in a text file in another way? OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103057 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936116985:10:28653:33; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107283; 31 Aug 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13030 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:08 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13025 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:07 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.151]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA405A for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:12:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:12:03 +0100 Subject: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <493a4e72cddelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > "Easy" I thought. So, using Zap's search facilities, I looked for > 2+ new lines in sequence, and replaced them with a CTRL-P character, > thinking that Ovation would import it and put these "page"-breaks > in. However, this didn't work, Ovation seemingly ignoring these > control characters. I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. Is this a solution to your problem? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103059 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936120014:10:06226:22; Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:20:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115554; 31 Aug 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13128 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:16 +0100 Received: from relay5.ftech.net (littleblue.ftech.net [195.200.12.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13123 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:14 +0100 Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=prunus.localnet) by relay5.ftech.net with smtp (Exim 2.12ftechp2 #1) id 11Lr5q-0002zS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:49:11 +0100 From: Toby Bryans Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:50:12 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.22 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 31 Aug, Paul Sprangers wrote: > I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. > It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. > Is this a solution to your problem? On Tue, 31 Aug, Chris Johnson wrote: > OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new > page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. Yes, many thanks for that, both equally excellent solutions. -- Project Manager, Navaho Internet Ltd http://www.navaho.co.uk/ CTO, Cygnet Computer Solutions Ltd & Chairman, Empire Retailing Ltd Technical Support, an4 group Ltd 'Phone: +44 (0)7970 422053 http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~elesoc/ Fax: +44 (0)7970 127058 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103062 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936089117:20:29546:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 08:45:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029337; 31 Aug 99 8:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11193 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:26:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11188 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:26:07 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.68.202] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11LjEh-0002xg-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:08 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet identifier Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup > I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: > > !HTMLinks > !Quote > !Imposit > > I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would > it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? Off the top of my head, do you have at least v2.49 of OvationPro? You need this version (I think) due to some of the features in use in HTMLinks. I would guess that this is the reason for errors reported in the other applets as well. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103063 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936089998:20:12755:21; Tue, 31 Aug 99 08:59:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105249; 31 Aug 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11269 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:43:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11264 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:43:16 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LjVI-000IPw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:54 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Identity crisis To: Gerald L Fitton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro P Hutton writes: Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. I had this problem which I solved (I hope) by the following dodge. I send the email to Gerald L Fitton instead of to Ovation Pro Support Give it a try and see what happens. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103064 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936092878:20:26308:86; Tue, 31 Aug 99 09:47:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026902; 31 Aug 99 9:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11483 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:44 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11478 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:42 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHB0035NP2N2A@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:30:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:32:57 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: RTF import To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro 'oi all Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? It would be very usefull for importing wordfiles with styles from EW/TW. grt. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103068 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936106661:20:14903:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:37:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014055; 31 Aug 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12075 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:06 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12070 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:05 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LnjL-0005tf-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:13:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:12:17 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Identity To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In this I have left off the Gerald L Fitton bit so that the email is addressed to: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103069 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936107863:20:02464:45; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:57:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100379; 31 Aug 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12164 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:41:25 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12159 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:41:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 -0000 Received: from user1217.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.217) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:39:07 +0100 Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, > is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? It's already got !TransRTF which came with it. Look in your Filters folder or wherever you put all your loaders. Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all went quiet. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103070 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936109589:20:28246:33; Tue, 31 Aug 99 14:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106214; 31 Aug 99 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12253 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12248 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:48 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LocE-000DhQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:57 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: RTF import References: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson writes >In article , Steven M. Ottens > wrote: > >> Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the >> TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering >> if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, >> is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? > >It's already got !TransRTF which came with it. Look in your Filters >folder or wherever you put all your loaders. > >Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... > >I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all >went quiet. > The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug guise. We all know what happened to that. I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103071 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936110617:20:13829:27; Tue, 31 Aug 99 14:43:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114646; 31 Aug 99 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:26:13 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12342 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:26:11 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHC00GO12R2OA@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:25:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:28:18 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: RTF import In-reply-to: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1bf3443a49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > 'oi all > > > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is > > anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? > > Surely, there already is a "TransRTF" importer - it is in the filters > directory on my machine - I assume it came with OvPro itself. > Oh sorry, didn't look so close @ home ;-( grt. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103072 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936115400:20:00745:22; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:03:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000660; 31 Aug 99 16:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12786 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:16 +0100 Received: from relay3.ftech.net (hades.ftech.net [212.32.16.136]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12781 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:14 +0100 Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=prunus.localnet) by relay3.ftech.net with smtp (Exim 2.05ftechp2 #1) id 11Lpyo-0004WM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:51 +0100 From: Toby Bryans Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:40 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Page breaks in text files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.22 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was given an interesting task to perform by my mother this weekend, to take a file of ~250 OCRd addresses and put them into a page with frames to match a sheet of stickers. "Easy" I thought. So, using Zap's search facilities, I looked for 2+ new lines in sequence, and replaced them with a CTRL-P character, thinking that Ovation would import it and put these "page"-breaks in. However, this didn't work, Ovation seemingly ignoring these control characters. In the end, I had to write a script in Ovation Pro which went through the whole document looking for a pound character (suitable unique in addresses) and replacing it with a newline and page break. Is there an easier way of doing this (I have a tendancy to miss the obvious ;-), is there a reason why the Ovation Pro text importer ignores page break control characters, and is there a way of putting breaks in a text file in another way? Many thanks, Toby Bryans -- Project Manager, Navaho Internet Ltd http://www.navaho.co.uk/ CTO, Cygnet Computer Solutions Ltd & Chairman, Empire Retailing Ltd Technical Support, an4 group Ltd 'Phone: +44 (0)7970 422053 http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~elesoc/ Fax: +44 (0)7970 127058 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 22:00:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103074 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936120672:20:14884:24; Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115423; 31 Aug 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13259 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:15:39 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13251 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:15:30 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-85.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.85]) by out5.ibm.net (/) with SMTP id RAA26908 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:14:59 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:10:54 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB13259 On Tue 31 Aug, Toby Bryans wrote: > I was given an interesting task to perform by my mother this weekend, > to take a file of ~250 OCRd addresses and put them into a page with > frames to match a sheet of stickers. 1. You can read it up in the ReadMe file (found together with NewFuncts in the OPro NewDoc directory. Search under Auto-linking. 2. Take a look at this: { !CSVedit (C) Bernard Veasey 1997 version 0.02 >>> S H A R E W A R E <<< Email: bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey Description ----------- The purpose of this program is to edit CSV files by: * editing the 'end of record' separator. * editing the 'end of field' separator. * switching fields on/off. * CSV on/off. * switching CSV headings on/off. and re-save the data in a custom file with the amended details. } >=20 > "Easy" I thought. and superbly easy it is and it saves you reading the ReadMe ;-) --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 22:00:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103075 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 22:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936128240:20:16469:17; Tue, 31 Aug 99 19:37:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016427; 31 Aug 99 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13735 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:59 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13730 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:57 +0100 Received: from modem-102.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.68.102] helo=celtania) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LtSK-0000wC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:11:05 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. > > It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. > > Is this a solution to your problem? > > On Tue, 31 Aug, Chris Johnson wrote: > > OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new > > page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. > > Yes, many thanks for that, both equally excellent solutions. > Yes, but to import the FormFeed character (x0C) a line in both !Boot & !Run of TransDDF must be commented out, otherwise TransDDF eats the FFs. Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir If active this line causes all text files to be loaded via TransDDF and then x0C characters get stripped (The line has to be active in order to use the Impulse module - see MailMerge notes - anyone know why?). If the line is commented out, text files are loaded with x0C chars intact. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 02:00:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103096 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936139101:20:15417:29; Tue, 31 Aug 99 22:38:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108753; 31 Aug 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:19:25 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14066 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:19:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 11903 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10798 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from 57.hiper04.access.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.116.57) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 21:57:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:55:56 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: RTF import To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 31 Aug, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson > writes > > > >Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... > > > >I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all > >went quiet. > > > The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug > guise. We all know what happened to that. > > I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements > changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish > documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. > But Postscript is not READABLE on a PC with common software. Yes Ghostscript or something will work but people who understand it will be quite happy re-formatting a plain text file. Postscript will print from a pc to a PS printer, but the reason one wants to send a file is so that it can be editted. > RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and > doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. > I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and > reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. > This may be so, but to transfer a file and give some idea of relative heading weight etc RTF is the nearest to a generic format, unless you prefer HTML. I would use an RTF export filter if it was available to send documents created in OPro to friends overseas as email attachments so they get somewhere near original formatting. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 15:38:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103130 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 15:38:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193558:20:08145:17; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004869; 1 Sep 99 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15641 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15636 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA70-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:30:59 GMT Message-Id: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a >master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label >sheets. Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift relative to the page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:52:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103136 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936203091:20:14411:46; Wed, 01 Sep 99 16:24:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101571; 1 Sep 99 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16116 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:15 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk ([194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16111 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:14 +0100 Received: by elslonexc001.epress.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:00:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Re: RTF import/export Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements > changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish > documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. > > RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and > doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. > I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and > reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. As someone else pointed out, it isn't generally possible to load PS into a text editor/word processor. It's OK for taking documents for someone to read, but not for them to edit or work on further. I could really use an RTF export filter that maintained effects (bold, italic, super/subscript etc.) and style names. I don't care about page formatting. If no-one out there has one, I'll either have to resort to writing one myself from scratch (not terribly likely) or resign myself to using MS Word for styling documents for work. For those who have partially working versions of RTF exporters, I'm willing to try and help finish them off (to at least the standard mentioned above) if you're willing to let me see them. Please. John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:53:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103138 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:53:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193143:10:12339:26; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:39:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116639; 1 Sep 99 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15634 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15627 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA6y-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:26:33 GMT Message-Id: <103101@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug >guise. We all know what happened to that. Well yes as before Rob Clark, lost somewhere. >RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and >doesn't easily map from Ovation. I'd agree with those sentiments, and MS have more or less announced the demise of RTF. Lack of MS Word support or (great hope for the future) XML is a big problem. I want to have a serious look at this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:53:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103139 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:53:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193924:10:22313:21; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:52:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022137; 1 Sep 99 13:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15622 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA6v-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:08:04 GMT Message-Id: <103099@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Current "Features" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to >which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would >not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass >your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does >everyone out there think of such an idea? Well that would be fine. User feedback is very valuable. I do appreciate comments. I don't slavishly follow them, for one thing often what seems trivial isn't. And then there's the category of 'seemed like a good idea at the time' i.e. it might not look so good if it was done. It would be good to know just what improvements would be popular. In the current situation I'd happily have a top ten list of features and do them in order. >>Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >>been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >>(in other words I think I fixed your bug). >I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense >of it. ISTR you'd found a bug, which I had fixed, but you'd not have seen that fix because the version in question has not been released. >My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments >to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, >something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is >(was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for >the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. Well everything is for now at the mercy of the situation. The problems with the printer drivers or other OS issues are the responsibility of ROSL - but as with Acorn they don't have limitless resources. As to the rest whatever I do gets done, and if I don't do it, then it doesn't. I've said what the initial priorities are, once I've completed those I'll be open to other suggestions. >>With luck things should start to move forward again soon. >Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was >under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. I'd guess the version with large image support (2.54) will appear within the next couple of weeks. Referenced and proxy images seem to be a nice addition and work OK. After that I will complete the EPS applet, allowing EPS files to be rendered, and also supporting DCS etc. I have to say "with luck", because I can't predict the future, obviously if I win the lottery next week there might be some delay 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 19:42:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103157 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 19:42:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936209416:10:10427:25; Wed, 01 Sep 99 18:10:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010237; 1 Sep 99 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16564 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16559 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:34 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.118) [62.188.146.118] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MEa2-0005eA-00; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:53:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:52:11 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am pretty sure the answer to this is "no" but I thought I'd ask. Is there any way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? By the nature of the sort of files I OCR a lot of the technical terms are the same as in my OPro documents, and it is a bit of a bother to have to put them into the Sleuth dictionaries having already put them into the OPro ones. The dictionaries seem to be in an entirely different format, which is why I think the answer is probably "no". TIA and best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 21:30:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103163 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936216431:10:02862:17; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:07:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105126; 1 Sep 99 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16842 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:52:02 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16837 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:52:00 +0100 From: Received: from modem-55.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.55] helo=beeston12) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MGPh-00061f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:51:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:53:42 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, In message <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a > >ter page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on > >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for > >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label > >sheets. > > Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap > between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift > relative to the page. > > > > > David Pilling > I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of editing of those formats. As John Skingley has just ceased trading (alas!) it has to be added that we have not eyet received his info about where to find future support for his system, but it is certainly superb. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 21:30:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103164 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:30:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936216734:10:06440:46; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:12:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006368; 1 Sep 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16888 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:56:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16883 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:56:56 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MGUT-0002Og-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:56:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:36:14 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103099@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David [snip] > I'd guess the version with large image support (2.54) will appear within the > next couple of weeks. > > Referenced and proxy images seem to be a nice addition and work OK. > > After that I will complete the EPS applet, allowing EPS files to be > rendered, and also supporting DCS etc. [snip] This is excellent news! Thank you! Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 22:06:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103168 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:06:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936218817:20:22730:19; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:46:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120480; 1 Sep 99 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17001 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16996 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MH28-000Idp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:31:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 19:45:25 GMT Message-Id: <103158@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? No... Potentially this could turn into a rant about why on earth Beebug saw fit to get two people to write two different dictionary systems. However I won't do that, OPro will let you menu over the Edit dictionary window and export a dictionary as a text file, and it will let you dump a similar text file into that window. So if you can't share dictionaries the next best thing would be a rapid way of importing words into Sleuth. I leave it to a sleuth to tell us if there is one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 22:48:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103173 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936221179:20:22625:50; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:26:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022538; 1 Sep 99 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17181 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:07:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17176 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:07:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MHas-000Mdp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:06:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:36:10 GMT Message-Id: <103165@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is >without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's >Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the >various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of >editing of those formats. You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at Impact, I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which OPro doesn't. Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of the effects of that twiddling. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103230 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936298488:10:28132:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 18:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028038; 2 Sep 99 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19304 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:37:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MbjP-000Nnz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:48:35 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: Applet identifier To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Benji Yes- I have version 2.52. I got round the problem by reinstalling the applets affected and (touch wood) it seems OK for the mo. Thanks for the reply. On Tue 31 Aug, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup > > I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: > > > > !HTMLinks > > !Quote > > !Imposit > > > > I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would > > it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? > > > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? > Off the top of my head, do you have at least v2.49 of OvationPro? You > need this version (I think) due to some of the features in use in > HTMLinks. I would guess that this is the reason for errors reported in > the other applets as well. > > benji > -- > _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ > | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ > | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ > | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ > |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| > t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103232 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936299293:10:08763:17; Thu, 02 Sep 99 19:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100309; 2 Sep 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19316 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19311 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:04 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MbjS-000Nnz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:26:10 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Try this To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Is it just me? Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a continuous dotted line. Do you: a. Get a constantly growing line? b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... b. If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my keyboard configuration! Comments? Explanations? Solutions? Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it in 2.51 too) -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103233 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936300382:20:17525:58; Thu, 02 Sep 99 19:26:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017594; 2 Sep 99 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19449 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:11:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19444 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:11:21 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11McFi-0000vK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:06:36 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. To: OvationPro List In-Reply-To: <103158@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 01 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? > > No... > > Potentially this could turn into a rant about why on earth Beebug > saw fit to get two people to write two different dictionary systems. > > However I won't do that, OPro will let you menu over the Edit dictionary > window and export a dictionary as a text file, and it will let you dump > a similar text file into that window. So if you can't share dictionaries > the next best thing would be a rapid way of importing words into Sleuth. > > I leave it to a sleuth to tell us if there is one. > > > > > David Pilling The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' window and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably those ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. Incidentally, the userdict file is simply a plain text file, as exported by OPro, but with a Data file type. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:45:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103238 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:45:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936302958:10:26600:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 20:09:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026468; 2 Sep 99 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19558 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:49:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.prserv.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19552 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:48:46 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-8.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.8]) by out1.ibm.net (/) with SMTP id TAA24328 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:27 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:25:26 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103165@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB19558 On Wed 01 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at Impact, > I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which OPro doesn't. >=20 > Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of the > effects of that twiddling. I'm pleased you like that. In an otherwise WISy system, it would be great to have a graphical representation of this somewhat opaque area of thumbnails and imposition. Final output would come to life with the page size, printer margin and trial layout pouring out in an animated window. What a selling point. Going back in history, I depended heavily on a little Basic prog that rolled out greeked pages in the command windows of the View programs. InterWord's own preview was more sophisticated, but both saved in equal measure much time and paper. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 22:32:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103258 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936307616:10:25990:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:26:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108429; 2 Sep 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19949 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19944 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Me8V-000DPR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:11:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:06:25 GMT Message-Id: <103247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a >continuous dotted line. >Do you: >a. Get a constantly growing line? >b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple >of seconds after you have released the key? (a) OPro has a feature which the others probably don't. It buffers characters, rather than updating whats on screen after each key stroke. This was important in the old days when machines were a lot slower. However that is a loophole through which something else could cause problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 22:33:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103259 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:33:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936307624:10:26238:17; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:27:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026181; 2 Sep 99 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19942 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:03 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19937 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Me8S-000DPR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:11:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:04:38 GMT Message-Id: <103245@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' window >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably those >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 23:07:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103262 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 23:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936308015:10:01048:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:33:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118272; 2 Sep 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20039 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:18:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20034 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:18:37 +0100 Received: from (193.149.68.240) [193.149.68.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MeEq-00030q-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:17:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:16:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (20:06:36 +0100), stephen@spcap.demon.co.uk wrote: > >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >window and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. >Presumably those ignored are already present in Sleuth's main >dictionary. > >Incidentally, the userdict file is simply a plain text file, as >exported by OPro, but with a Data file type. > Thanks for this hint; I will try it when (if?) I have time. This week is a bit silly :-) Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 3 01:49:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103266 for opro ; Fri, 03 Sep 99 01:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936312512:20:24044:22; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:48:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113349; 2 Sep 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20335 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:33:39 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20330 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:33:36 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user142.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.74]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14282 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:32:42 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:31:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: <493b73527fmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Is it just me? Could be... ;-) > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. Do you: a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a > couple of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... a. Using a RISCPC 700 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103365 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936629280:10:20796:26; Mon, 06 Sep 99 14:48:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020407; 6 Sep 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22136 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:12:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22131 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:12:48 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.74) [62.188.134.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mv0D-0002vG-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:11:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:11:26 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' > window > >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably > those > >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. > > > Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two > programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. > David Pilling > I have just tried to transfer from OPro to Sleuth, Sleuth will take User Dic but not the MainDic. Cheers Bryan S. Kirk -- _____________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103369 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936630469:10:07526:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:07:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006746; 6 Sep 99 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00256 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:44 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00197 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03650 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:23:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11N0my-0002TY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:22:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 99 22:17:16 GMT Message-Id: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: directory listing program? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Asking a question for a change... Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103370 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936631265:10:19068:20; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110217; 6 Sep 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00307 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:57 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00259 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:42 +0100 From: Received: from ambience.com.au (townsville.ambience.com.au [203.46.3.71]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03026 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:55 GMT Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 880839 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:55 +1000 Subject: Bleed Problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:55 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103247@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OP 2.52 I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices from the default 8505 to 17010 to get 6mm? nothing changes. The fit option however changes the percentage when bleed is ticked but printing an A4 page with a graphic covering the whole page to fit A4 or even an A5 page to centred on A4 makes no difference. I'm printing with the Level 2 Postscript Driver (Printers 1.53) - the Printing Bureau that I sent the PS file to said they couldn't seen the trim marks either. When I print to a HP Laser 4MP everything seems fine except for the lack of a bleed?? Thanks, Paul Paul Herring The Kooralbyn International School www.tkis.com.au email: pherring@tkis.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103371 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936632397:10:04782:27; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:39:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004697; 6 Sep 99 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00221 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:37 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00170 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03959 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.93) [193.149.75.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mwkz-0004zO-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:04:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:02:03 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >>The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >window >>and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably >those >>ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. > > >Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two >programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. > > Seemed to work for me, but I haven't Sleuthed anything with the technical words in yet. WMT, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103373 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936633718:10:22301:22; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111488; 6 Sep 99 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00300 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:54 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00261 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:43 +0100 Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03008 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:02 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.214] (helo=mail10.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11N0D4-0002ei-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:45:22 +0100 Received: from modem-104.visine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.104] helo=celtania) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MzRr-0001rX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:56:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:55:59 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... a. also using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 > -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103374 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936634751:10:05044:25; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005982; 6 Sep 99 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00251 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:41 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00188 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:29 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03737 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:38:27 GMT Received: from tnt-8-175 (tnt-8-175.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.175]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4567E7B076 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:25:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:24:05 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: <008de03b49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? > > My computer voted..... b. > > If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my > keyboard configuration! > > Comments? Explanations? Solutions? > > Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it > in 2.51 too) > No!! My Computer also voted ........ a Using a Non-SA RiscPC 700, 32Mb memory and 2.52 I also find that using macros from !TextAid also input very slowly. Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103375 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936635684:10:19165:31; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019094; 6 Sep 99 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00240 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:39 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00173 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03956 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:38 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.82) [62.188.133.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mwpb-00056w-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:08:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:06:49 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 3 Sep 1999 (16:11:26 +0100), bkirk@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >> >> >> >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >> window >> >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably >> those >> >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. >> >> >> Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two >> programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. >> David Pilling >> > I have just tried to transfer from OPro to Sleuth, Sleuth will take >User Dic but not the MainDic. > It took my MainDic with no trouble. (NB transferred via a temporary file on the hard disc, as David said) HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From polak@nlr.nl Mon Sep 6 21:55:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103379 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936635822:10:21377:14; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:37:02 GMT Received: from spider.nlr.nl ([137.17.80.200]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126409; 6 Sep 99 16:36 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id SAA15307; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:36:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:35:06 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: directory listing program? Message-ID: References: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) Return-Receipt-To: polak@nlr.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > Asking a question for a change... > > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names > > > David Pilling > A simple text file is produced by typing: *EnumDir [] I am not sure wheter this is what you want though. Regards, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103384 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936638094:10:22817:19; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:14:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022782; 6 Sep 99 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00239 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:39 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00177 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03953 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:38 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.11) [193.149.75.11] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Ng8S-0002rA-00; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:31:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:29:09 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: An idiot's question about printing firms. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For reasons best known to himself, my son decided he would edit a Cheltenham Town Football Club fanzine using OPro (what else?). It actually looks pretty good, both on screen and printed out. Then he had the problem of sending it to a printing firm. There was no way I could make the PostScript printers work to print a file to disc to e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject, but which newsgroup or mailing list to use?), so he ended up sending hard copy, which they seem to think is OK. Now (and here's the real idiot bit, as I seem to have lost the original posting), the new OPro upgrade, upcoming, (but how up is the coming?) has an EPS applet promised. Is this what I need to make an e-mailable printout with? Please someone (the blessed David, for instance) tell me it is! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103386 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639044:10:04961:17; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:30:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108332; 6 Sep 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00249 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:42 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00180 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03950 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:37 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.2) [193.149.78.2] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MvsZ-000454-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:07:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:04:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #226 Message-ID: <493bce3ccdcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199909021839.TAA19325@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199909021839.TAA19325@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at > Impact, I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which > OPro > Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of > > of that twiddling. Hi ! I frequently read the mailings in various places about the difficulty of printing labels. I have NEVER found this to be a serious problem. I frequently print my own price labels (vsmall) and picture labels, address labels etc with no real problems. Datapower and Masterfile both are capable, and have produced numerous labels for me in the past. However, now I produce my own custom templates in OvnPro and drop text in. As the screen display and OvnPro's ruler bars are accurate to the printed copy (!Ovation wasn't !) it is easy to get the labels in the right place, even if the label has its own border. Now where would I, or all of you dedicated OvnPro users be, without OvnPro to do these tasks so easily ? I can see the flames already ! Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103390 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639883:10:15452:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015433; 6 Sep 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00304 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:56 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00236 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:38 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03421 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15698 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:07 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:10:48 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Roger Morris wrote: > ...to import the FormFeed character (x0C) a line in both !Boot & > !Run of TransDDF must be commented out, otherwise TransDDF eats the FFs. > Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir > > If active this line causes all text files to be loaded via TransDDF and > then x0C characters get stripped (The line has to be active in order to > use the Impulse module - see MailMerge notes - anyone know why?). I belive this line has to be active to _create_ marge commands using the Impulse module and Impact, and that this in turn is because when one drag 'n' drops a merge command from Impact into an Ovation window the thing that is being transfered is a pice of DDF code like this... {merge ":Impact.Client Fetch address"} ....[I just dropped that in from Impact, BTW] but this is trasfered as a text file. That bit of code above is an Impression embedded command, so it needs to be translated by !TransDDF into something Ovation can use. Since it is trasfered as a text file !TransDDF would ignore it unless the aformentioned "Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir" is active. So, if anyone's trying to get merge commands to work and they're getting things like {merge ":Impact.Client Fetch address"} instead of things like [Merge 1] it's because of that little command in the !TransDDF !Boot/!Run file. [The time I wasted trying to solve that one... tsk... I dunno] Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103393 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639929:10:15893:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:45:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104401; 6 Sep 99 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00292 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:52 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00245 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:38 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03424 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:42 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15711 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:12 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:22:36 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import/export Message-ID: <6863f63b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" wrote: > I could really use an RTF export filter that maintained effects (bold, > italic, super/subscript etc.) and style names. I don't care about page > formatting. If no-one out there has one, I'll either have to resort to > writing one myself from scratch (not terribly likely) or resign myself to > using MS Word for styling documents for work. > > For those who have partially working versions of RTF exporters, I'm willing > to try and help finish them off (to at least the standard mentioned above) > if you're willing to let me see them. Please. > > John Anyone who is interested in this would also do well to look at a project I have started called Toffee Net (was called Toffee Tree) at http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk/toffee This site explains about the TOFFEE (Transitory Object File Format Extractor & Encoder) Net project which aims to enable users (on many platforms) to translate any supported file format into any other file format. I won't explain how here, the web-site goes into a fair amount of detail. What this site does not yet mention is that I am cobbling together a RISC OS 'demonstration' version for some accessible file formats. RTF is a good candidate for this 'demontration' and Ovation's DDL is another. I am putting 'demonstration' in inverted commas because, although this is to be a RISC OS platform only 'demonstration' of a much larger cross-platform project, it will be a fully functional RISC OS utility. All opinions, help and advise welcome (e-mail to toffee@pebblesculpt.co.uk if it is not relevant to OP). Thanks, Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103395 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936640020:10:17198:15; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:47:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017139; 6 Sep 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07578 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:47:52 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07573 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:47:50 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust75.tnt7.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.247.75] with SMTP for id WAA22745 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:47:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00dd01bee9ba$92d0aa10$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:58:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >> I think there's some advantage to the 'more' or 'less' over the >> 'on' or 'off' concept with respect to Cascading Style Definitions >> and being able to redefine the font relative to a base style... >> styles that are defined in terms of a parent style could retain >> their distinction by still being 'more bold' than the parent style >> when the parent style iteself has been told to be 'more bold'. > >That's the best suggestion I've seen for handling fonts with multiple >weights. I'm very much an amateur in the DTP field and few of my >fonts have more than one or two weights, so it is not a major problem >for me, but I can see the present arrangements must be very tiresome >to professional users. > Just an observation: Fireworkz has another "maybe interesting" concept. All the fonts in the menu (Style) are striped off for at least "Medium", "Bold", "Oblique" and "Italic". Meaning you can see from Trinity, Homerton and Corpus only Trinity, Homerton, Corpus and you can choose the four weights by buttons as styles or as effects. A font "AFontxxx" with the weights Light, Light.Italic, Medium, Medium.Italic, Roman, Roman.Italic, Bold, Bold.Italic, BoldCond, Black, Black.Italic looks like AFontxxx for Bold, Bold.Italic, Medium, Medium.Italic AFontxxx.BoldCond for BoldCond AFontxxx.Black for Black and Black.Italic AFontxxx.Light for Light and Light.Italic AFontxxx.Roman for Roman and Roman.Italic In Fireworkz however you can't preview whether or not there is an Italic/Slanted or Bold. You don't get an error message either. And I have no experience with the fontmapping, when outputting to a PostScript file/printer. But I like the basic-concept. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103406 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936633933:20:04345:30; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:05:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103908; 6 Sep 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00284 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:50 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00220 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:35 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03412 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:40 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15687 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:52:53 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:56:13 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is > without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's > Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the > various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of > editing of those formats. It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. However, now, when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put partially used label sheets through the printer too often so I only print out whole sheets. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103407 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936634070:20:04728:67; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:07:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005193; 6 Sep 99 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00626 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:48:29 +0100 Received: from mail-out1.euro.apple.com (mail-out1.euro.apple.com [194.151.19.115]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00620 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:48:28 +0100 Received: from relay1.euro.apple.com (A17-71-100-20.apple.com [17.71.100.20]) by mail-out1.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13883 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:48:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from xn064.euro.apple.com ([17.69.216.25]) by relay1.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00254 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:48:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:49:39 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: directory listing program? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Asking a question for a change... > > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names > > > David Pilling I wrote one years ago that creates a TSV file. Its easily modified to create a text file, or just drop the output into something like PipeDream. You are welcome to it. Description follows: EnumDir by Mike Hobbs This program does a catalog of a directory rather like the *EnumDir command but it operates from the Desktop and outputs in TSV format (tab separated variable). When run the program sits on the icon bar and when directories are dragged to it the directory structure and all files are listed in TSV format and the output file can be dragged to your chosen destination. Typical output... ADFS::HD4.$.!BOOT.^.Apps.FileUtils.!EnumDir Scan Path 1998-09-25 20:22:01 ..!Boot Obey 1993-05-14 12:28:42 ..!Help Text 1993-05-14 12:39:02 ..!Run Obey 1993-05-14 12:28:36 ..!RunImage BASIC 1994-05-02 23:25:19 ..!Sprites Sprite 1993-02-12 11:39:32 ..Templates Template 1993-02-12 12:03:49 Let me know if you want it. Mike -- Mike Hobbs Xemplar Education Ltd Tel: 44 (0)1223 724266 The Quorum, Barnwell Road Fax: 44 (0)1223 724223 Cambridge, CB5 8RE. WWW: http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103408 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936637198:20:21582:26; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:59:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120711; 6 Sep 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00298 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:53 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00223 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:36 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03415 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15715 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:14 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:58:53 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a > >master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on > >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for > >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label > >sheets. > > Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap > between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift > relative to the page. I tried it - but the minimum gap seemed to be too big (in one direction) and there didn't seem to be a way to define the initial offset from the top left corner, otherwise, yes, this would have been ideal. I've got Imposition v1.02, is there a more flexible later version? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103409 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936638024:20:02221:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:13:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002032; 6 Sep 99 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01254 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:57:46 +0100 Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01249 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:57:45 +0100 Received: from [130.159.56.178] (helo=rosco.chem.strath.ac.uk) by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11O1xt-0005mz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:49:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:57:07 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: Try this To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <008de03b49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Sep, dmorrell wrote: > In message > P Hutton wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > Is it just me? > > > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > > continuous dotted line. > > Do you: > > a. Get a constantly growing line? > > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > > of seconds after you have released the key? > > > > My computer voted..... b. > > > > If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my > > keyboard configuration! > > > > Comments? Explanations? Solutions? > > > > Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it > > in 2.51 too) > > > > No!! > > My Computer also voted ........ a > > Using a Non-SA RiscPC 700, 32Mb memory and 2.52 > > I also find that using macros from !TextAid also input very slowly. > > Dave Morrell > I get a. for about half a line full of dots (longer than 5 seconds) and then b. with my SA RPC with 42Mb memory & OvPro 2.52 Phil. -- Phil Dennison (p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103411 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639052:20:14116:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:30:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014080; 6 Sep 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00290 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:51 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00234 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:36 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03418 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15702 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:10 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:01:11 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: <7f6df43b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), > > to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. > > Anyone got a list for this one? > > What about defining a whole label sheet, using the Duplicate function? > You'll have to find out the exact X and Y offsets once. This is exactly what I do already, and I agree, the Duplicate function works like a dream. However, the issue I am trying to solve is that I don't want to have to update all 65 (mini-address label size) of these frames each time the ArtWorks source changes - I only want to edit one frame and then be able to print it out repeatedly on each label sheet. Sort of an automated Duplicate function built into the printing end of things. As discussed in another posting, Thumbnails comes close but falls short. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103416 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936645356:20:26619:21; Mon, 06 Sep 99 19:15:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117118; 6 Sep 99 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02170 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:00:01 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02165 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:59:59 +0100 Received: from p119.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.247] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11O40Q-0002eV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:00:43 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:52:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:52:28 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Message-ID: <5ca86e3d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > For reasons best known to himself, my son decided he would edit a Cheltenham > Town Football Club fanzine using OPro (what else?). It actually looks pretty > good, both on screen and printed out. Then he had the problem of sending it to > a printing firm. There was no way I could make the PostScript printers work to > print a file to disc to e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject, > but which newsgroup or mailing list to use?), so he ended up sending hard copy, > which they seem to think is OK. > > Now (and here's the real idiot bit, as I seem to have lost the original > posting), the new OPro upgrade, upcoming, (but how up is the coming?) has an > EPS applet promised. Is this what I need to make an e-mailable printout with? > Please someone (the blessed David, for instance) tell me it is! > No, you don't need an EPS applet. You already have everything required. There is a certain amount of care and black magic involved in creating a suitable postscript file, but not a great deal. Most of the issues are related to fonts. You do need to 'print to file', though. I'm not sure what problem you were having here. Usually, it is straightforward to configure your printer driver temporarily to direct the output to disk. Make sure you load a postscript printer driver. The generic 'PoScriptF' driver does me fine. Try shift-adjust on the iconbar icon for the printer driver when you have loaded it. This brings up a 'connections' configuration window. Click the 'File' radio button, then click the menu-select icon at the end of the writeable icon to the right of the 'file' radio button and drag the poscript icon to a suitable directory on your disk. Or simply write in a pathname to a file in the writeable icon yourself When you print your next file, it will be directed to disk. There may be some further magic needed to set up font mapping, using !FontPrint, but the default settings will probably do you OK. From there on, a great deal depends on how sophisticated the printer's postcript tools are. If it is a small local printer, with just a mac and a copy of Quark Xpress, there may be difficulty. But here is a further hint: if the printer expresses doubt about handling your postscript file, ask them to try 'distilling' the postscript into an Acrobat PDF file. Most of them will have Acrobat, and the distilling process will not only validate your postscript and (perhaps) reassure them that it is OK, but also turn the postscript file into a format which they will feel more comfortable dealing with in their usual workflow. (Actually, they will just turn it back into postcript in order to output film!) If you are using a spot colour, then life is a little more complicated. If you are working with colour images, then it is quite a bit more complicated. But simple black and white work should not be a problem. Best of luck! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103417 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936648878:20:04899:31; Mon, 06 Sep 99 20:14:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119394; 6 Sep 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02535 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:59:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02530 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:59:20 +0100 Received: from beebware.demon.co.uk ([194.222.132.205] helo=beebware.mail.beebware.com) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11O4uy-000Bhd-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:59:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:51:44 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: directory listing program? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post may not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just to let you all know, I've just sent a program to produce a listing of directories to David Pilling so let's hope it does what it should :) Richy C. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103418 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936650902:20:25470:22; Mon, 06 Sep 99 20:48:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025072; 6 Sep 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02719 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:31:00 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02714 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:30:58 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-11.access.ch [195.112.69.139]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12095 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:30:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:25:14 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: directory listing program? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 04 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Asking a question for a change... > > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names > Have you tried Tiger5.05 from the late Graham Crow? I believe APDL now handles distribution of this program. You can select the amount of info you want and also set the depth of recursiveness. And it has many other niceties. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:20:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103450 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936651783:10:16211:17; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:03:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124439; 6 Sep 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02801 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:47:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02796 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:47:56 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.208) [193.149.74.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O5fz-00007p-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:47:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:46:03 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Many thanks for David's extensive explanation; the problem I have, I think, is that my printers directory isn't all there; I am in fact trying to print to file, but the driver keeps complaining about a missing prologue file. I will have to delve into the StrongARM upgrade CDROM (if I can find it) to resurrect the necessary files. If not, does anyone out there know where I can download them from? I still think that an applet would be easier! TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:20:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103457 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936652491:20:11781:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:14:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125903; 6 Sep 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02899 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:59:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02894 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:59:28 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.164) [193.149.77.164] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O5r8-0000Lo-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:59:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:14:48 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: directory listing program? Message-ID: <493D6B357A%mik@xemik.com> References: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names I don't know of a URL, but there's an ancient prog' called Tree by Richard Samphire which seems do exactly what you want (if you're patient). It appeared on an Archimedes World disk c.1993, so s/be on the Kosovo CD. It also works on my RPC SA. -- Shine on, you crazy diamond! __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:34 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11O5v7-000MHs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:40:41 +0100 Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Message-ID: <493d7890c7jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr P.N.Young wrote: > For reasons best known to himself, my son decided he would edit a > Cheltenham Town Football Club fanzine using OPro (what else?). It > actually looks pretty good, both on screen and printed out. Then he > had the problem of sending it to a printing firm. There was no way I > could make the PostScript printers work to print a file to disc to > e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject, but which > newsgroup or mailing list to use?), so he ended up sending hard copy, > which they seem to think is OK. > Now (and here's the real idiot bit, as I seem to have lost the > original posting), the new OPro upgrade, upcoming, (but how up is the > coming?) has an EPS applet promised. Is this what I need to make an > e-mailable printout with? Please someone (the blessed David, for > instance) tell me it is! Why not use Micro Laser Designs of Bath as printers and/or imagesetters? As an Acorn oriented firm they will take stuff in OPro or Publisher format and have an impressive range of equipment and, in my experience, their work is good and reasonably priced. Contact is Andy Bissex at info@mld.co.uk , phone 01225 833266. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:20:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103459 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936652753:20:14450:21; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014411; 6 Sep 99 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02964 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02959 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:36 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11O5v8-000MHs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:55:04 +0100 Subject: Re: directory listing program? Message-ID: <493d79e1afjack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Asking a question for a change... > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names Possibly Tiger (Big CAT) by Graham Crow is just what you're looking for. It displays a window of the contents of a directory dragged to its icon, from which you can select any or all of a number of key features to save as a text file. Simple and neat. It was Copyright RISC User 1992 but a later version is, I think, available as shareware from APDL. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:21:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103460 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936654806:10:22214:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:53:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022133; 6 Sep 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03378 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:38:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03373 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:38:07 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.145) [193.149.76.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O6SX-0001UE-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:37:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:21:10 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: EPS Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Did I read somwhere that David (or someone else) is going to do an EPS applet for OvPro? If so, how soon is this likely to be, any indications made? -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 02:00:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103462 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:00:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936661094:10:29484:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029445; 6 Sep 99 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03769 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:22:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03764 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:22:52 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.249) [62.188.130.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O85t-0004QR-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:22:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. M W Lewis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:08:34 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.00 Subject: Re: directory listing program? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA03765 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB03769 Try !DiskTree (circa 1996 but still works on RO4)- Copy available if requ= ired. Author Mr. Julian Robbins 16 Allenwater Drive Fordingbridge Hants SP6 1RB email julianro@digibank.demon.co.uk Sample output from adfs::Hard.$ Office=20 OvnPro !3-Row=A0Bar !Boot !Help !Run !Sprites !Sprites22 Files !Install !Macros !OvnPro !Boot !OvnResDir !Boot !Run !Sprites !Sprites22 22Icons3d Borders Border Colours Generic HSVtone ProcessCMY ProcessK ETC --=20 mwlewis@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 02:00:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103463 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:00:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936658151:20:06875:21; Mon, 06 Sep 99 22:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112744; 6 Sep 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03586 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:33:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03581 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:33:52 +0100 Received: from p64.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.192] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11O7LO-0001O8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:34:35 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 23:32:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 23:33:29 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > Many thanks for David's extensive explanation; the problem I have, I think, is > that my printers directory isn't all there; I am in fact trying to print to > file, but the driver keeps complaining about a missing prologue file. I will > have to delve into the StrongARM upgrade CDROM (if I can find it) to resurrect > the necessary files. If not, does anyone out there know where I can download > them from? > Ah. I'm using !printers 1.54 and Risc OS 3.7 and I recall I had the same problem when I started printing postscript. The problem seems to be that the printer drivers expect the prolog file to be in a slightly different directory structure from the one in ROM. I'm sure there are various ways around this. What I did was put the printers PrntDefn file into an editor, find the line (line 10 in mine) which starts prologue2: and change it so it reads: prologue2: level1.PSprolog2 There is a little further obstacle: these printer definition files are usually SQUASHED. Redefine its file type to SQUASH and set access to 'unprotected'. Now double click on it. You will find it reverts to (a larger) PrntDefn file which you can edit. No need to resquash it. I don't recall seeing this problem mentioned anywhere, so it may just be a particular incompatability between !printers version and Os version. But this fix seems to do the trick. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103492 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936671974:20:28911:17; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:39:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119909; 7 Sep 99 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04381 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:19 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04376 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvS-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:14:21 GMT Message-Id: <103468@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bleed Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm >doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices Hmm. AFAIK bleed does work. The main danger I'd forsee is that the printer margins are too small for the bleed to have an effect. You can't print A4+bleed on an A4 printer at 100% and see the bleed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103493 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936671975:20:28911:36; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:39:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028881; 7 Sep 99 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04395 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:26 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04390 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvW-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:20:53 GMT Message-Id: <103472@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Did I read somwhere that David (or someone else) is going to do an EPS applet >for OvPro? Real soon... I intend to finish work on 'large picture' handling. That should be either the end of this week or next. Once I've got that out I will complete the EPS applet, which I wrote a couple of years back but never finished. This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103494 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936671977:20:28931:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119976; 7 Sep 99 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04374 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04369 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvQ-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:08:52 GMT Message-Id: <103466@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: directory listing program? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to all those who emailed me with suggestions about how to get a directory listing in a text file. In addition to the ones which appeared in the list, Roger King suggested 'Tree Cat' by W. D. Hine, Risc User disc circa 1992, which does work. What I didn't make clear is that this is not for my personal use, there's a future application of OPro which requires such a listing. So I wanted something which I could either put on the web site, or at least point at from it. I can refer to and you can use the other programs just mentioned. Anyway thanks for all your suggestions I think we've got something to be going on with. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103495 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936672882:20:04972:16; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:54:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004945; 7 Sep 99 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04410 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04397 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAva-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:23:54 GMT Message-Id: <103474@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There was no way I could make the PostScript printers work to >print a file to disc to e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject This is no help, but it should be easy, just print to file, and thats it. Its my experience that a lot of copies of !Printers have been upgraded and installed so much they are broken. So rainy day entertainment is to delete all the bits from all the places they are put, and have just current copy of Printers. The useful tip though is to set up GhostScript so that you can view your resulting PS files and check they are what you expect them to be. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103499 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936688418:20:23670:19; Tue, 07 Sep 99 07:13:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023642; 7 Sep 99 7:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05309 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:57:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05304 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:57:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.81.147) [193.149.81.147] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OFC7-0000uA-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:57:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:49:11 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: EPS Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (02:20:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from >documents. > What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs at work? It would be a very welcome addition! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103500 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936695103:20:21488:31; Tue, 07 Sep 99 09:05:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106795; 7 Sep 99 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05656 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:45:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05651 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:45:18 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.171) [193.149.71.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OGs6-0002SP-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:44:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R Pennicott) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:43:16 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Bold Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. This is a book of 70 pages and about a thousand sentences to turn bold. So as you can see a quick way to select the first sentence in each paragraph and turn it bold will be a great help. -- ___ _____ .---------------------------------. | | | | ___| |Britains most comprehensive land | | | |____ | |__ :sourcing system 0118-9626022 : | | | __ | |__ | ---------------------------------- | |____ ||__|| ___| | info@landbank.co.uk |______| |____| |____| www.landbank.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103502 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936704966:20:23558:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 11:49:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123473; 7 Sep 99 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06249 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:30:05 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06244 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:30:03 +0100 Received: from p1.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.129] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11OJQR-0002Iw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:28:35 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:27:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:28:41 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Applet Message-ID: <54ddc93d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6cd5c53d49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > In message > andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > > > On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (02:20:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from > > >documents. > > > > > What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs > > at work? It would be a very welcome addition! > > Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you > can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read > PDF. > So what would be nice is a program who prints to proper EPS. With that you > have an universal EPS export filter which you can use for virtually any > program. Well, that would be the theory. It wouldn't work in practice. For example, we have had to give up asking conventional publishers to provide us with their advertisements as EPS exports from Quark Xpress. We have yet to receive a useable file (even when using to Quark on a Mac to import them!). EPS is used for single page graphics, not whole publications. There is no single standard for the inclusion of font information. Fonts may get turned into vector graphics ('curves') along the way or they not be. Or you may have references to TrueType fonts. EPS can also act as a 'wrapper' for what is really just a bitmap graphic TIFF file (so you think you are getting a vector file but it is really bitmap). And EPS nowadays come with a variety of 'preview' TIFFs - lo res bitmaps which are used in the Quark Xpress screen display. However, there seems to be no real standard for these. Finally, EPSs may reference hi res graphic objects which are not included with the EPS - you then just get left with a lo res thumbnail. In other words, EPS is a minefield. On the whole, it is better to export by printing to a postscript file. I wonder whether PDF might be a better interchange standard? It at least forces some kind of standard on the postscript. 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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:01:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Sep, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message > > It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. However, now, > when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put partially used label sheets > through the printer too often so I only print out whole sheets. I've been putting Avery labels through my Calligraph multiple times for years with nothing worse occuring than the odd paper jam. Certainly I have never got one stuck to the drum, which I assume is the worry here. (But please don't sue me if you do have a disaster.) Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103504 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936707077:20:21322:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 12:24:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021144; 7 Sep 99 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06366 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:08:18 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06361 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:08:16 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s32-64-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.64]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:50:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Bold To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 07 Sep, Mr R Pennicott wrote: > Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. > This is a book of 70 pages and about a thousand sentences to turn bold. > So as you can see a quick way to select the first sentence in each paragraph > and turn it bold will be a great help. > Well it could be done with a Perl script. You would have to export as text, and insert the appropriate DDL commands. Or perhaps a similar thing could be done with Zap. Use a very long line so that you get one paragraph per line. Then insert DDL commands at the start or each line and the first full stop. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:05:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103506 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936709134:20:20842:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 12:58:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020719; 7 Sep 99 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06540 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:42:08 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06535 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:42:07 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21198 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00556 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:45 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: EPS Applet Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000601bef92e$4c999ce0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <54ddc93d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Steven Ottens wrote: > > Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you > > can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read > > PDF. Quark doesn't by default, although it can with the QX-Tools XTension from Extensis Corp for $150 retail (i.e. peanuts). PageMaker 6.5 doesn't from memory (although I don't have a copy handy here to check). Photoshop 5 and Illustrator 8 will read PDFs though, as will Acrobat 4 (obviously) which is increasingly common in bureaux for prepress production. My impression is that PDF has largely usurped EPS in American bureaux already - the rest of the world will almost certainly follow. David Graddol wrote: > EPS is a minefield. On the whole, it is better to > export by printing to a postscript file. > > I wonder whether PDF might be a better interchange standard? It > at least forces some kind of standard on the postscript. Certainly agreed. PDF is *far* better for prepress output nowadays - it's more elegant, robust and straightforward. As people (myself included) have mentioned before on this list, even without Taborca, you can get pretty reliable results from printing to a composite PostScript file at high enough dpi for the press/printer you're using, and distilling it into a PDF via Acrobat on a PC/Mac. As long as you can proof it, there's no reason why you can't let the bureau do this at their end. Then you don't need to worry about separations, crops, screen angles, dot gain etc. Both EPS and RTF still have their places. EPS for import, as it's still a standard format for logos and adverts etc in the real world. Basic RTF is useful for both import and export, as you can transfer text with formatting (depending on the degree of implementation) to and from a wide variety of WPs. Many publishers still prefer to accept RTF for manuscripts as it avoids the risk of macro viruses too. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 15:15:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103520 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936672919:10:02529:16; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:55:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117179; 7 Sep 99 2:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04383 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvU-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:16:03 GMT Message-Id: <103470@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried it - but the minimum gap seemed to be too big (in one direction) and >there didn't seem to be a way to define the initial offset from the >top left corner, otherwise, yes, this would have been ideal. AFAIK the menu offers an X and Y gap, and the minimum is zero, i.e. touching. 'Print setup' as with other formats that aren't fit'd or centere'd offers an overall X and Y shift. >I've got Imposition v1.02, is there a more flexible later version? No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 15:15:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103526 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:15:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936698407:10:27101:44; Tue, 07 Sep 99 10:00:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124845; 7 Sep 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05840 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:42:14 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05835 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:42:12 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHO00745O9TCF@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:41:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:44:40 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: EPS Applet In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <6cd5c53d49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (02:20:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from > >documents. > > > What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs > at work? It would be a very welcome addition! Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read PDF. So what would be nice is a program who prints to proper EPS. With that you have an universal EPS export filter which you can use for virtually any program. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 15:15:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103527 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:15:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936710987:10:12580:51; Tue, 07 Sep 99 13:29:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128702; 7 Sep 99 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06656 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06651 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OL2y-0003mZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:10:00 GMT Message-Id: <103509@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bold X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. I'd guess a simple example of the use of bookmarks in the OPro script language. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103533 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719042:10:28468:44; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:44:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124439; 7 Sep 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07134 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:54 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07122 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:51 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust226.tnt5.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.245.226] with SMTP for id RAA16416 (8.8.8/1.19); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:13:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000401bef943$7735c450$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: EPS Applet Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Steven M. Ottens wrote: >Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you >can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read >PDF. Macromedia Freehand (8.0) does. Also multiple paged PDF files. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103534 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719210:10:00647:21; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:46:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129001; 7 Sep 99 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07132 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07124 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:51 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.220) [193.149.83.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OMw4-0001Yw-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:13:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:12:00 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Many thanks for all the suggestions about Postscript printing (and thanks, Jack, for the firm in Bath; I have pointed my son at them). David's trick with editing the PDF file seems to have worked, at least in that I get a printout file appearing on the hard disc. However, this spawns two more questions. Can any kind person out there remind me: 1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has done what I think it has done? 2) What M$DO$ file extension do I give the printout, if James continues to use a non-Acorn printing firm? TIA, and thanks for the help so far, Peter, -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103535 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719282:10:01459:28; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:48:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101386; 7 Sep 99 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07259 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:30:07 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07254 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:30:06 +0100 Received: from p42.nas3.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.42] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11ONAj-0001Vj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:28:37 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:12:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:13:15 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: EPS Applet Message-ID: <816cde3d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000601bef92e$4c999ce0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Steven Ottens wrote: > > > > Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which > you > > > can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do > read > > > PDF. > > Quark doesn't by default, although it can with the QX-Tools XTension from > Extensis Corp for $150 retail (i.e. peanuts). PageMaker 6.5 doesn't from > memory (although I don't have a copy handy here to check). Photoshop 5 and > Illustrator 8 will read PDFs though, as will Acrobat 4 (obviously) which is > increasingly common in bureaux for prepress production. My impression is > that PDF has largely usurped EPS in American bureaux already - the rest of > the world will almost certainly follow. > > David Graddol wrote: > > > EPS is a minefield. On the whole, it is better to > > export by printing to a postscript file. > > > > I wonder whether PDF might be a better interchange standard? It > > at least forces some kind of standard on the postscript. > > Certainly agreed. PDF is *far* better for prepress output nowadays - it's > more elegant, robust and straightforward. As people (myself included) have > mentioned before on this list, even without Taborca, you can get pretty > reliable results from printing to a composite PostScript file at high enough > dpi for the press/printer you're using, and distilling it into a PDF via > Acrobat on a PC/Mac. As long as you can proof it, there's > no reason why you can't let the bureau do this at their end. Then you don't > need to worry about separations, crops, screen angles, dot gain etc. > What I do nowadays is try distilling my Acorn postscript on a pc as part of my 'pre-flight' checking. If it distills OK, then it is probably OK to send to a bureau. Another caveat: PDF is pretty good for prepress work (although people working with high-end colour still seem to be having problems with it), but it is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. And even then, it is only really possible to fix a few typos, rather than rework the text or layout. Abobe's new Quark-slayer, Indesign, is said to be able to import/export and edit PDFS natively, but no-one really seems to know what exactly that means in practice. PDF seems to enjoy two quite different lives - as an exchange format for prepress work, and as a publishing format for digital documents and e-books (where it may have active links, javascript features, and forms added). There is currently a 'format wars' going on some of the discussion lists devoted to electronic publications as to whether PDF or XML is where the future lies. PDF is currently the de facto front runner, though supporters say that XML will take over in some domains. But PDF is pretty secure in the prepress arena, whatever happens to XML. I'd certainly be interested if Ovation Pro acquired XML competence, but presumably this is a functionality more suited to Techwriter? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103536 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719645:10:05986:30; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:54:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006004; 7 Sep 99 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07169 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:19:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07164 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:19:20 +0100 Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ON1N-000LwA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:18:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:07:30 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 03 Sep, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. > However, now, when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put > partially used label sheets through the printer too often so I > only print out whole sheets. I don't think you need worry Brian. I use a Calligraph (Data Products) Laser to produce labels. I often only print one label at a time until the sheet is used. At the same time I do not use !Impact's Label Print because this works in columns down then across. I find the only safe way is to print the bottom row of labels first so that the laser is not feeding blank backing sheet until it has got past the bottom of the existing unused labels. I use a template with not linked frames which are aranged to match the 21 to a sheet 38 x 74mm address labels. I use Viking labels which are about 1/3 the cost of Avery and come boxed and bagged. The labels have rounded corners so peeling is not a problem. I just copy and paste the address from the letter to the template frame which corresponds to the last remaining label on the sheet and print. This works for me even if there is only one label remaining on the very top line. Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 19:23:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103567 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 19:23:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936728175:10:19823:51; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:16:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109957; 7 Sep 99 18:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07820 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:00:14 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07815 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:00:12 +0100 Received: from p97.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.225] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11OPVo-0003V2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:58:33 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:43:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:44:21 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > Many thanks for all the suggestions about Postscript printing (and thanks, > Jack, for the firm in Bath; I have pointed my son at them). David's trick with > editing the PDF file seems to have worked, at least in that I get a printout > file appearing on the hard disc. However, this spawns two more questions. Can > any kind person out there remind me: > > 2) What M$DO$ file extension do I give the printout, if James continues to use > a non-Acorn printing firm? The printout file can be called what you want, but needs a '.ps' extension (probably /ps on your acorn disk). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 21:27:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103582 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 21:27:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936735191:10:01644:24; Tue, 07 Sep 99 20:13:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120733; 7 Sep 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08143 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:57:48 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08138 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:57:43 +0100 Received: from modem-50.argon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.178] helo=lcessford) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ORMi-0006rb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:57:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:53:43 +0100 From: Alex Cessford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Fri 03 Sep, dmorrell wrote: > > In message > > P Hutton wrote: Not sure why I bothered to try this, but ........... > > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > > > continuous dotted line. > > > Do you: > > > a. Get a constantly growing line? > > > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > > > of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... *a*, every time. This when trying StrongEd 4.60b6, Edit 1.54, PendownPlus 1.54, OvPro 2.52, Impression Junior 1.19.. Also Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 22:44:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103596 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 22:44:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936737287:10:21946:26; Tue, 07 Sep 99 20:48:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021897; 7 Sep 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08252 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:31:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08247 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:31:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.69.108) [193.149.69.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ORtJ-00013N-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:30:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:21:30 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: EPS Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (11:44:40 +0100), steveno@lx.student.wau.nl wrote: >Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which >you can view in PC programs. How exactly would I print to a PDF file? Would this be using !Taborca? If so, how do I get the file to !Taborca? As a Postscript file...? Is !Taborca going to be available to non-RO4 OSes? I'm sorry if this seems like a lot of Qs, but I'm not really up on !Taborca... -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 22:44:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103600 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 22:44:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936740059:20:25099:24; Tue, 07 Sep 99 21:34:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024788; 7 Sep 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08459 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:23 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08454 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 12403 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 21:16:52 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 21:16:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21632 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 21:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.244) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 21:01:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:21:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Bleed Problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 05 Sep, pherring@tkis.qld.edu.au wrote: > OP 2.52 > > I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm > doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices > from the default 8505 to 17010 to get 6mm? nothing changes. > The fit option however changes the percentage when bleed is > ticked but printing an A4 page with a graphic covering the > whole page to fit A4 or even an A5 page to centred on A4 > makes no difference. I'm printing with the Level 2 > Postscript Driver (Printers 1.53) - the Printing Bureau that > I sent the PS file to said they couldn't seen the trim marks > either. When I print to a HP Laser 4MP everything seems fine > except for the lack of a bleed?? > What weight are the trim marks? If set to fine (or hairline) that prints at one dot wide at the printer resolution - plenty of size on a 300dpi printer, OK at 600dpi, invisible at 1270 or higher of an imagesetter. Can't help with the bleed problem - never used it in OPro. -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 02:54:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103629 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:54:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936755233:10:00690:18; Wed, 08 Sep 99 01:47:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112082; 8 Sep 99 1:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08906 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:29:15 +0100 Received: from ambience.com.au (townsville.ambience.com.au [203.46.3.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08901 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:29:10 +0100 From: Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 892587 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:55:32 +1000 Subject: Re: Bleed Problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:55:32 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103468@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for your reply. I have tired printing A4 with bleed to custom/oversize A4 and even to A3 centred with no bleed showing. I have edited the !choices files 8505 for 3mm bleed to 17100 with no change either. Thanks, Paul On Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:14:21 GMT opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm > >doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - > Printerchoices > > Hmm. AFAIK bleed does work. The main danger I'd forsee is > that > the printer margins are too small for the bleed to have > an effect. > > You can't print A4+bleed on an A4 printer at 100% and see > the bleed. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, > Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email > majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the > message Paul Herring HOD IT The Kooralbyn International School Ogilvie Pl., Kooralbyn Qld 4285 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:35:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103634 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:35:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936756640:10:09762:21; Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127548; 8 Sep 99 2:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09007 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09002 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OWwc-0002Uz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:54:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:01:40 GMT Message-Id: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs at >work? It would be a very welcome addition! Werl this has been discussed here before. My arguments against it are that its a lot of work for small benefit - all you gain is the difference between OPro PS and the PS you can get now from the printer drivers. Also what everyone really is after is more compatible PS, but thats not to say they all want compatability with the same program. However the perceived lack of any hope of fixes to the printer drivers, and thoughts of cross platform versions of OPro increase the chances slightly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:35:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103639 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:35:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936777206:10:03795:25; Wed, 08 Sep 99 07:53:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003737; 8 Sep 99 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09710 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:36:53 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09705 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:36:51 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23846 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:36:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37D61279.EF02A8F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:38:33 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. References: <103474@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > Its my experience that a lot of copies of !Printers have been upgraded > and installed so much they are broken. So rainy day entertainment is to > delete all the bits from all the places they are put, and have just current > copy of Printers. > My copy of printers seem to get it self into a muddle every few print runs. Is there an easy way to spring clean my system. (A3010 4 megs 320 M HD)? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2730/2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:36:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103642 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936789996:10:23933:38; Wed, 08 Sep 99 11:26:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023794; 8 Sep 99 11:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10393 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:30:15 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10388 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:30:13 +0100 Received: from p22.nas2.is4.u-net.net ([195.102.198.150] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11Ofs7-00058W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:26:39 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:04:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:05:30 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201bef9d2$68af2630$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > > > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > > > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. > > Err, well I didn't write that - I think David G did, but I do agree with the > point. PDF is designed primarily as a machine-read format after all. > > > Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be > impossible > > to edit PDFs. > > Quoting from the docs, Acrobat 4 allows you to edit individual PDF graphic > objects, such as line art, images, or text blocks, using Adobe Photoshop, > Adobe Illustrator, and other applications that can read and write PDF files > directly. You can also "touch up" text directly in Acrobat 4 (i.e. make > minor changes in-situ). It does work quite neatly, but it still doesn't help > Acorn-only people without access to Acrobat! > We've been doing quite a lot of PDF work for clients recently: we design and originate material on the Risc PC, bring it together in Ovation Pro and then transfer the postscript to Distiller. So we have developed quite a good sense of what you can do once the publication is in PDF format. Unfortunately, in real world jobs, you need more than Acrobat to be able to alter text: if you have used non 'base 14' fonts (the sort that are built in to Acrobat and postscript printers) then you will almost certainly need a few third party plug-ins for Acrobat (this is true for even for Acrobat 4). To equip yourself properly with an Acrobat publishing set-up, you will probably have to spend a few hundred pounds on plug-ins. In fact, we are currently evaluating a 'plug-in' which costs $2,500. This puts the cost of Ovation Pro into some kind of perspective! However, we have reverted back to Distiller 3 from version 4. (Version 4 handles level 3 postscript and outputs PDF 1.3. The Acorn drivers do not produce level 3 postscript, and there some compatablity issues with PDF 1.3.) On the whole, though, we have been very pleased with the workflow we have now developed, using Ovation Pro and transferring work to Acrobat on a PC/Mac. But if an author provided us with material in PDF we would just have to strip out all the ascii text and start again. (Oh, another plug-in is needed to do that properly!) David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:36:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103632 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936756583:20:12120:33; Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:09:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116815; 8 Sep 99 2:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09014 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09009 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OWwe-0002Uz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:54:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:01:43 GMT Message-Id: <103619@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News - articles on writing applets on web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Due to the munificence of Beebug, Tony Howats series of three articles on how to write OvationPro applets which originally appeared in Risc User in 1998 is available from the url; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/filelib/files/ruart.zip The archive contains OvationPro documents and the applets. Thanks also go to Richard Hallas (editor of Risc User at that time). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:37:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103646 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:37:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936778484:20:17698:28; Wed, 08 Sep 99 08:14:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104434; 8 Sep 99 8:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09802 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:57:49 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk (elslonexc001.epress.co.uk [194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09797 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:57:48 +0100 Received: by ELSLONEXC001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:49:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be impossible to edit PDFs. We have a growing problem with authors who think they're being helpful by submitting their articles in PDF because they've heard all this hype about how portable the format is. Sometimes, we actually end up scanning and OCRing the text in order to be able to do something with it, which isn't fun! In an attempt to keep this thread on topic, I'd love to see the EPS import applet finished - real-world jobs will often involve EPS graphics from Illustrator and similar. Presumably, this will convert the EPS either to Draw/Artworks/Vantage or to a sprite? Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep the vector information if at all possible... Living in hope, John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:37:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103647 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:37:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936779114:20:25975:108; Wed, 08 Sep 99 08:25:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026057; 8 Sep 99 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09859 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:41 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09854 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:39 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHQ0076NEN616@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:09:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:11:51 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: EPS Applet In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <152c413e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (11:44:40 +0100), steveno@lx.student.wau.nl wrote: > >Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which > >you can view in PC programs. > > How exactly would I print to a PDF file? Would this be using !Taborca? If > so, how do I get the file to !Taborca? As a Postscript file...? Is !Taborca > going to be available to non-RO4 OSes? > With the risk of talking crap: It is a printerdriver, so you print with the Taborca printer to a file. This file happens to be PDF. So you don't need to hassle with any other program. Just hit the print button. IIRC there will be a taborca-ish available for non RISC OS 4. But again I haven't seen it working yet so this is only from what i've been told, and then from memory. > I'm sorry if this seems like a lot of Qs, but I'm not really up on > !Taborca... Almost no one is yet :( -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:37:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103648 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:37:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936779557:20:01948:25; Wed, 08 Sep 99 08:32:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001851; 8 Sep 99 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09913 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:17:16 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09908 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:17:14 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14199 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:16:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27377 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:16:41 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bef9d2$68af2630$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. Err, well I didn't write that - I think David G did, but I do agree with the point. PDF is designed primarily as a machine-read format after all. > Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be impossible > to edit PDFs. Quoting from the docs, Acrobat 4 allows you to edit individual PDF graphic objects, such as line art, images, or text blocks, using Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, and other applications that can read and write PDF files directly. You can also "touch up" text directly in Acrobat 4 (i.e. make minor changes in-situ). It does work quite neatly, but it still doesn't help Acorn-only people without access to Acrobat! Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 15:12:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103664 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 15:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936795292:10:05720:37; Wed, 08 Sep 99 12:54:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005472; 8 Sep 99 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10618 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:34:54 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10613 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:34:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ogva-000Mn1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:34:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:59:13 GMT Message-Id: <103630@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has done what I >think it has done? The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at www.acornusers.org/ghostscript David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 16:48:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103668 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 16:48:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936802933:20:00431:48; Wed, 08 Sep 99 15:02:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000891; 8 Sep 99 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10913 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:13:52 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10908 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:13:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OiSR-000BPE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:12:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 14:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <103653@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: PDF and EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'd love to see the EPS import applet finished - real-world jobs will often >involve EPS graphics from Illustrator and similar. Presumably, this will >convert the EPS either to Draw/Artworks/Vantage or to a sprite? NO! not at all. >Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep the vector information if at all possible... What it does is embed the EPS in the OPro document, you get the low res preview bit map (which is often built into EPS files) on screen. And when you print to a PS printer, the EPS gets dumped out to it. Print to a bit map printer and I guess it will have to render the low res preview. This is broadly what Impression (or Quark for that matter) does now. The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look at GhostScript... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 19:14:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103688 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:14:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936813837:20:18320:17; Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:03:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124699; 8 Sep 99 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11323 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:20 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11318 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:19 +0100 From: Received: from modem-82.zoloft.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.82] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OlcE-0008KL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:34:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:56:34 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA11319 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB11323 Dear colleagues, > On Fri 03 Sep, Brian O'Carroll wrote: >=20 > > It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. > > However, now, when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put > > partially used label sheets through the printer too often so I=20 > > only print out whole sheets. In message Mike=A0Wilson wrote: > > I don't think you need worry Brian. I use a Calligraph (Data Product= s) > Laser to produce labels. I often only print one label at a time until > the sheet is used. At the same time I do not use !Impact's Label Print > because this works in columns down then across. I find the only safe > wa= y is to print the bottom row of labels first so that the laser is > not feeding blank backing sheet until it has got past the bottom of > the existing unused labels. >=20 Yes, I've been wondering about this one too. There is no doubt that the part of the partly-used label sheet which has had the already-printed lab= els peeled off is so thin and flimsy that the weight of the heavier un-peeled portion of the sheet, pressing down from above in a printer like the Cano= n BJ-200ex is heavy enough to crumple the flimsier part up before it feeds thru the printer. However, we can still print the sheet successfully if we go about it the right way. Suppose my first print is of 9 labels, and I'm using Avery 21-label sheets, 7 rows of 3 labels each. 9 labels have used up almost h= alf the sheet, labels 1-9, i.e. the first 6 rows or labels. Then let's say I have a series of penny numbers to print off, say 4, then 2, then 3, etc. = Well, provided I always put first downwards into the printer the complete unprinted edge of the sheet, with 3 unprinted labels, it will work, as th= e part that has had the labels peeled off is uppermost. We must always mak= e sure that the labels to print on that sheet are the LAST labels on the sheet. So the 4 to print will be in positions 18, 19, 20 and 21 on the sheet. Then we print the 2, and they'll be nos.16 and 17, then 3, nos.13= , 14, 15. I think it will always work without problem provided the un-peel= ed part of the sheet is bottommost, and provided you can count successfully = to work out which labels to tell it to print on. I reckon that will work. Or have I missed something? Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT;=20 Phone: 0115 922 4930=20 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 19:14:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103690 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:14:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936814005:20:21389:36; Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021192; 8 Sep 99 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11317 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:16 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11311 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:14 +0100 From: Received: from modem-82.zoloft.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.82] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OlcD-0008KL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:34:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:26:02 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem changing chapter ?? Message-ID: <4dec683e49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906161142.MAA21634@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am typing into a document based on my default master pages. an A4 portrait sheet with smallish margins. I want to change, part-way through the document, into a format of 2 narrowish columns per page, and then several pages later I need to turn back to the original format. How do i do this? I have tried insert new chapter. I set up two frames to make the columns, and set the text flow from the left to the right one, but then when I get to the bottom of the right-hand frame I cannot go on to a further page of the same format. Can you help me set this up properly> Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 21:07:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103700 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 21:07:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936816254:20:25364:17; Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:44:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102833; 8 Sep 99 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11484 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:22:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11479 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:22:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11OmLU-000Mrp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:21:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:18:24 GMT Message-Id: <103693@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem changing chapter ?? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have tried insert new chapter. I set up two frames to make the columns, >and set the text flow from the left to the right one, but then when I get to >the bottom of the right-hand frame I cannot go on to a further page of the >same format. Two things firstly, don't set up columns by hand. Just go to the default master frame, select it, use modify object and set the number of columns. If you do want to create your own columns, then on the master pages, create the frames, link them together, then link the last frame to the first. This creates an auto linked chain, so that in the document pages will automatically be added. See the 2.46 release notes for more... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 22:12:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103708 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 22:12:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936822305:10:19855:21; Wed, 08 Sep 99 20:25:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111860; 8 Sep 99 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11854 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:08:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11849 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:08:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Oo0A-0000pc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:07:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:25:23 GMT Message-Id: <103695@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My copy of printers seem to get it self into a muddle every few >print runs. Is there an easy way to spring clean my system. (A3010 4 megs 320 >M HD)? Delete all copies of !Printers, and !Boot.Choices.Printers (if you have it), set off from scratch with a new !Printers from the ftp site, and only install the things you really need or are sure work. Installing CC Turbos often corrupts !Printers, and uninstalling anything tends to either do damage or to not uninstall completely - just like a micro version of Windows really... But this isn't easy, and I'm not saying it will help. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103739 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936856432:20:00602:21; Thu, 09 Sep 99 05:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2126315; 9 Sep 99 5:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12895 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:36:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12890 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:36:34 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.128) [194.69.104.128] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OwsA-0000lq-00; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:35:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:42:36 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has >done what I >>think it has done? > >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another look when time isn't too short. Peter. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103742 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936864472:10:09375:22; Thu, 09 Sep 99 08:07:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110574; 9 Sep 99 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13270 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:52:00 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13265 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:51:48 +0100 Received: from coms0051 (modem24.slip.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.97.123]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17329 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:50:55 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation ML Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:36:47 +1200 Subject: PDF and EPS -- and SGV??? Message-ID: <493ebc4e2ckh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Sep, "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" wrote: > Presumably, this will convert the EPS either to > Draw/Artworks/Vantage or to a sprite? Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep > the vector information if at all possible... Ah! Having just been browsing the W3c web-site I have come across a new Standard Graphical Vector (SVG) fromat for use in web pages. It seem to me that this is likely to take off like a rocket now that it has reached penultimate draft state. Has any-one else investigated this for illustration I/O?? Does anyone know if Vantage will handle/produce SVG files?? Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103743 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936861040:20:28862:40; Thu, 09 Sep 99 07:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109446; 9 Sep 99 7:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13082 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:51:00 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13077 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:50:59 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.39]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA10888 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:36:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:49:44 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro hanging Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Last night when trying to complete an urgent document, I found frustratingly that OvPro would occasionally hang. I'm using the latest version under RO4, and the document I was preparing was fairly simple - a plain/default front page/chapter, the second chapter with a header and footer frame where all the typing was taking place (no other frames/graphics)consisting of around 3.5K words over 12 pages, and a blank plain chapter 3 (inherited from a previous document with the appropriate layout/styles). When I tried to delete this last blank page/chapter, nothing seemed to happen. If I entered text into it, wondering if it would make a difference, it didn't. However, backspacing to delete the chars back into the last line of the previous page/chapter hung the program. Saving out as DDL and reloading resurrected this last blank chapter and the problem persisted. This happened several times over the evening when I was working around this area of the document. Saving the document every minute or so mitigated the effect and clamed me down a little! Any ideas/suggestions? If I get some time, I'll edit the DDL to remove the last blank page (if I can figure that out) and see how things go. -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103748 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936861515:20:02685:32; Thu, 09 Sep 99 07:18:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118894; 9 Sep 99 7:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13139 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:03:39 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA13134 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:03:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 25506 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 07:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 07:02:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23571 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 06:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.22) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 06:55:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:24:51 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problem changing chapter ?? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4dec683e49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Sep, rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am typing into a document based on my default master pages. an A4 portrait > sheet with smallish margins. I want to change, part-way through the > document, into a format of 2 narrowish columns per page, and then several > pages later I need to turn back to the original format. How do i do this? > I have tried insert new chapter. I set up two frames to make the columns, > and set the text flow from the left to the right one, but then when I get to > the bottom of the right-hand frame I cannot go on to a further page of the > same format. > > Can you help me set this up properly> > You're nearly there. You need to edit the master page for chapter 2 to have 2 columns with the gutter you want, instead of adding frames onto the document page. The text should then flow from column 1 to column 2 then to col 1 on the next page, etc. (Reminder - select any page of chapter 2, Ctrl-E [or menu-page-edit master ge] to edit the master page, Menu-Page-Page Guidelines. Can even do it when the text is in chapter 2 in single column) -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:51:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103751 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:51:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936865141:20:08444:42; Thu, 09 Sep 99 08:19:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008695; 9 Sep 99 8:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13336 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:00:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13330 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:00:29 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11Oz7Q-0004Td-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:59:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:56:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > We've been doing quite a lot of PDF work for clients recently: we > design and originate material on the Risc PC, bring it together > in Ovation Pro and then transfer the postscript to Distiller. So > we have developed quite a good sense of what you can do once the > publication is in PDF format. Unfortunately, in real world jobs, > you need more than Acrobat to be able to alter text: if you have > used non 'base 14' fonts (the sort that are built in to Acrobat > and postscript printers) then you will almost certainly need a > few third party plug-ins for Acrobat (this is true for even for > Acrobat 4). To equip yourself properly with an Acrobat publishing > set-up, you will probably have to spend a few hundred pounds on > plug-ins. In fact, we are currently evaluating a 'plug-in' which > costs $2,500. This puts the cost of Ovation Pro into some kind of > perspective! However, we have reverted back to Distiller 3 from > version 4. (Version 4 handles level 3 postscript and outputs PDF > 1.3. The Acorn drivers do not produce level 3 postscript, and > there some compatablity issues with PDF 1.3.) Did you evaluate NikNak PDF Creator by Five-D, UK? There's a demo version on their site. The font-handling is in a sense better than Acrobat does. 50% cheaper than Acrobat too. It works somewhat different and maybe you don't need one or more plugins that way. I'm using it for some weeks now and it is good for what I do. www.five-d.com There's a German site with a list of PDF/PS software, plugins etc. Good information and price indications. Actino Software GmbH in Hamburg Don't have the URL here, probably www.actino.de How do you cope with the bitmap mask conversion of the Acorn PS driver? Line thickness variations in the final PDF file are no problem as you do the conversion in Acrobat. I'm afraid that Taborca may use the Acorn PS driver and will not solve the inabilities of that driver. To add to the list of PDF software on PCs: CorelDraw 9 has good PDF support now. Im- and Export and some editing. Is EPS still better in colour control because it allows the inclusion of ICC profiles? Not something to worry about with Acorn file export. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:51:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103747 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936867107:10:13788:30; Thu, 09 Sep 99 08:51:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012818; 9 Sep 99 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13537 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:23:51 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk (elslonexc001.epress.co.uk [194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13531 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:23:49 +0100 Received: by ELSLONEXC001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:22:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:14:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: "Nick Kaijaks" > > John Pettigrew wrote: > > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > > > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > > > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. > > Err, well I didn't write that - I think David G did, but I do > agree with the > point. PDF is designed primarily as a machine-read format after all. Oops. Excess snipping strikes again. Sorry to both Nick and Dave Graddol (for I've checked and it was indeed he who wrote that). > > Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be > impossible > > to edit PDFs. > > Quoting from the docs, Acrobat 4 allows you to edit > individual PDF graphic objects... But that's my point - you have to have Acrobat in order to edit PDFs. Lots of things can read them but not many can edit them, especially the text. In my employers' infinite wisdom, they've not got any copies of Acrobat (only the reader), which leaves us in a bit of a mess. > >I'd love to see the EPS import applet finished... > >Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep the vector information > >if at all possible. > > What it does is embed the EPS in the OPro document, you get > the low res preview bit map (which is often built into EPS files) on screen. > And when you print to a PS printer, the EPS gets dumped out to it. > > The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, > would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look > at GhostScript... Fair enough. That sounds like a good reason to invest in a Postscript printer to me! OTOH, it means I'll have to buy Vantage in order to be able to edit Illustrator EPSs, but then I was probably going to anyway :-) John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 18:40:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103786 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 18:40:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936890626:10:20592:21; Thu, 09 Sep 99 15:23:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020469; 9 Sep 99 15:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14380 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:55:31 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14375 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:55:29 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1380.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.100]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19381; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:54:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:56:02 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" cc: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" , "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, The PDF-reader !PDF desgned by Leo Smiers (Dutch programmer) gives the possibility (unless the designers of the PDF-document have sealed it off for copyright reasons) to save in Draw, Postscript, PDF and Text format. Have a look at: http://people.a2000.nl/lsmiers/index.html Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Let op! Nieuw tel. & faxnummer! Tel. +31(0)70 307 2040 Fax: +31(0)70 307 2050 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail: ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail: avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail: info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 18:41:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103792 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 18:41:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936896649:10:22953:47; Thu, 09 Sep 99 17:04:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102053; 9 Sep 99 17:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14630 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:35 +0100 Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14625 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:34 +0100 Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11P7FZ-0003kq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 27793 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 16:41:02 -0000 Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk (HELO ltsun0.le.ac.uk) (root@143.210.36.50) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 16:41:02 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk by ltsun0.le.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:38 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Space Research Centre, Leicester University, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA14626 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB14630 On Thu 09 Sep, Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > The PDF-reader !PDF desgned by Leo Smiers (Dutch programmer) gives the > possibility (unless the designers of the PDF-document have sealed it of= f > for copyright reasons) to save in Draw, Postscript, PDF and Text format. How successful this is really depends on the source document used to crea= te the PDF. I've had awful problems with some docs, especially when the sour= ce was LaTeX, I think. --=20 Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.= uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.u= k/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 10= 39 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 24= 64 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.u= k/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 19:20:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103803 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 19:20:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936899798:10:01151:30; Thu, 09 Sep 99 17:56:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001258; 9 Sep 99 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14780 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:00 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14775 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:58 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.222]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA19203 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:40:05 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum References: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This problem seems to be applet related as it goes away if I don't load any applets. I also found I could release OvPro from its 'hang' by CTRL-ESC which terminates the troublesome script - but which script? Any way of this telling me which script it's stopped? -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 23:20:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103833 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 23:20:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936913340:10:13785:107; Thu, 09 Sep 99 21:42:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016332; 9 Sep 99 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15326 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:24:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15321 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:24:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PBf3-00059c-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:23:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 99 21:58:12 GMT Message-Id: <103830@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is probably one to cut out and keep... --------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ In recent weeks I've had a rash of complaints about spot colours in Artworks files not working correctly. The bottom line seems to be that CC's rendering code uses one 32 bit word for 8 bits of flags and 24 bits of address information. The address being in the middle of the AW file in memory. The trouble occurs if the address of the AW file is too big. In that case the address overflows into the flags, and what should be flagged as a spot isn't etc. OvationPro uses dynamic areas for storing documents, the addresses of these can become very large, large enough to overflow the address bits allocated in the CC code. Normally when a dynamic area is set up its maximum size is specified, and normally applications make that max size equal to all the memory in the machine, just in case you ask them to use that much. This means that on a machine with a lot of memory, the addresses of dynamic areas increase quickly. What can you do about this? Try to run OPro before lots of other programs that set up dynamic areas. There are some small programs around that will limit the size applications claim for the max dynamic area size - you can then set things up so that e.g. SparkFS only gets 4Mb whilst OPro can claim a slot as big as all the memory in the machine. I suspect that fixing this would involve no more than splitting up the 32 bit word. However Computer Concepts tell me they are not going to do the work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 02:48:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103849 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 02:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936923774:10:05410:16; Fri, 10 Sep 99 00:36:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100673; 10 Sep 99 0:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15655 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:19:30 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15650 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:19:29 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3137.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.65]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA23590; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:18:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" cc: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" , Liam Gretton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA15651 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB15655 On Thu 09 Sep, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Thu 09 Sep, Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > How successful this is really depends on the source document used to cr= eate > the PDF. I've had awful problems with some docs, especially when the so= urce > was LaTeX, I think. Well, I usually receive docs in a sort of 'standard' format and when I sa= ve it in Draw I even get the pictures as highres sprites. The text is in 'isola= ted' Draw format but I save that from PDF-reader in Editformat, onto the Hd, settyp= e as text and Impression has no problems. It seems that when the options ar= e 'greyed out' the document is unalterable because the sender didn't want i= t to be changed. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103862 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936955780:10:28306:25; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:29:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118117; 10 Sep 99 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16662 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:15 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16655 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:13 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s41-201-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.201]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:55:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: RE: PDF and EPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103653@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, > would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look > at GhostScript... > Well of course one might contemplate writing a ghostscript renderer which produced Draw files. In principle this should be easier than a rasterizer, but I don't know how much support ghostscript has for vector grahics output. However I understood that Alternative Publishing were working on a new postscript interpreter. I don't know how far they have got. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103863 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936955793:10:28463:25; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:29:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027310; 10 Sep 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16653 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:11 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16648 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:10 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s41-201-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.201]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:08:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Sep, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has > >done what I > >>think it has done? > > > >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn > >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at > >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > > > > Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another look when > time isn't too short. > > Peter. > Actually it s not as hard as it looks, but you need to set up TaskObey files to do what you want. I produce a high resolution bitmap using the following TaskObey wimpslot 28640k gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pcxmono -r600x600 -sOutputFile=Pages.page%%02d SCSI::SCSIdisc.$.DTP.Uni.Admin.OSIRIS.EPSRCrepor where you need a directory Pages for the output (in the CSD) and the last item is the input file. The output is 600 dpi monochrome pcx - I have found this gives the best results. You wil need ImageFS to use these directly - drag them to the icon to set the file type. However if you don't have ImageFS I guess ChangeFSI will convert them. Then I dump each bitmap page into a preprepared Ovation frame to print it. Mail me privately if you want more help. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103864 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936955987:10:01036:20; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:33:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000112; 10 Sep 99 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16667 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:19 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16661 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:15 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s41-201-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.201]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:42:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re:Taborca (was EPS Applet) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <152c413e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message > andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > > > With the risk of talking crap: It is a printerdriver, so you print with the > Taborca printer to a file. This file happens to be PDF. So you don't need to > hassle with any other program. Just hit the print button. > I just upgraded to RO4 yesterday, and was looking forward to trying Taborca but I can't find it. It doesn't seem to be in the bundled software, the Install Disc or the supplied printer drivers. Am I missing something, or does it have to be obtained from somewhere else? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103865 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936957321:10:16686:17; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:55:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111109; 10 Sep 99 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16863 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:35:49 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16858 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:35:45 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02864 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:33:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00833; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:31:22 +0100 Message-ID: <37D8D171.7920B33C@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:37:53 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF and EPS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Ellacott wrote: > Well of course one might contemplate writing a ghostscript renderer which > produced Draw files. In principle this should be easier than a > rasterizer, but I don't know how much support ghostscript has for vector > grahics output. You're quite right, a draw file renderer could be considered for ghostscript, though it wouldn't be easier than a rasterizer. I think implementing clipping paths would be one of the hardest things to deal with without a lot of extra development. Drawfiles have no concept of this (hence lack of support in !PDF as well, I believe). Ghostscript has support for vector graphics, it can handle PS and PDF afterall. Devices are free to handle vector shapes by themselves, or output rasterized data. Delving deeper, it looks like the only way of taking advantage of the built in clipping is to output to a rasterized image. I wonder if Cerilica Vantage can deal with such things, that might make vector output from ghostscript for Risc OS easier to develop. Sprite output would be relatively simple to implement, based upon one of the many existing image output formats. Graham. -- Sharp Laboratories of Europe, Switchboard: +44-(0)1865-747711 Oxford Science Park, Fax: +44-(0)1865-714217 Oxford, OX4 4GB England Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103867 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936957869:10:23589:17; Fri, 10 Sep 99 10:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100704; 10 Sep 99 10:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16907 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:45:55 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16902 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:45:53 +0100 Received: from lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk ([130.88.24.57]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11PNEl-0001PY-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:44:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:44:20 +0100 From: Roger Noble Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > Ovation Pro was continually being destroyed by a Type=5 error... I'm dead. > > The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like RO4... > Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. > > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > problem? I will take a look when I install RO4. I don't know if it has arrived yet, I am out of the country until late this evening ... actually I will take a look even if I haven't got RO4 yet, if the applet is killing OP when it starts up it should be in a fairly limited area of code. Cheers, Roger Noble -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103868 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936958026:10:25460:17; Fri, 10 Sep 99 10:07:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025322; 10 Sep 99 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16942 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:49:55 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16937 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:49:49 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03003 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:47:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA01291; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: <37D8D4BD.991832E2@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:57 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Ellacott wrote: > Actually it s not as hard as it looks, but you need to set up TaskObey > files to do what you want. I produce a high resolution bitmap using the > following TaskObey > > wimpslot 28640k > gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pcxmono -r600x600 > -sOutputFile=Pages.page%%02d > SCSI::SCSIdisc.$.DTP.Uni.Admin.OSIRIS.EPSRCr > > where you need a directory Pages for the output (in the CSD) and the last > item is the input file. This could also be done by using the ps2pcx script as follows: ps2pcx -r600 InputFile/ps Pages.page%02d though this would give colour output. You may find that adding -sDEVICE=pcxmono after -r600 will change the device (I can't check at the moment). Alternatively copy the ps2pcx script and change the device in there. It saves having to remember the 'batch' and 'pause' bits and pieces. You could then type the command in a taskwindow, or create a simpler TaskObey file for each job. > The output is 600 dpi monochrome pcx - I have found this gives the best > results. The quality of output can be improved, when using the pcx devices (mono and colour) by adding -dTextAlphaBits=4 to the command line - this uses a simple anti-aliasing algorithm to smooth the edges of the text. Graham. -- Sharp Laboratories of Europe, Switchboard: +44-(0)1865-747711 Oxford Science Park, Fax: +44-(0)1865-714217 Oxford, OX4 4GB England Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103869 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936958722:10:03768:25; Fri, 10 Sep 99 10:18:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003256; 10 Sep 99 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16995 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:52:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16990 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:52:16 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11PNKv-0003E9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Taborca (was EPS Applet) Message-ID: <493f4c75d7C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <152c413e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > I just upgraded to RO4 yesterday, and was looking forward to trying > Taborca but I can't find it. It doesn't seem to be in the bundled > software, the Install Disc or the supplied printer drivers. > Am I missing something, or does it have to be obtained from somewhere > else? I believe RISC OS Ltd made an announcement a while back saying that Taborca was still under development, and would be made available at a later date. I haven't heard any updates on this. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:50:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103873 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:50:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936949082:20:03635:16; Fri, 10 Sep 99 07:38:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002115; 10 Sep 99 7:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16349 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:20:23 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16344 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:20:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 21442 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 07:19:23 -0000 Received: from userl265.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.74.78) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 07:19:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:12:52 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> References: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just upgraded my machine to RO4 and obviously had to reinstall****** Ovation Pro... What a pain in the bum that was... Ovation Pro was continually being destroyed by a Type=5 error... I'm dead. The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like RO4... Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this problem? Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 14:47:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103898 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 14:47:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936969185:20:21033:813; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:13:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2104890; 10 Sep 99 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17472 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:05:42 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17467 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:05:41 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id NAA27453 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:04:40 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:06:13 +0200 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: PDF and EPS and PS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199909100811.JAA16683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 10 Sep, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:55:26 +0000 (GMT) > From: Steve Ellacott > Subject: Re: RE: PDF and EPS > > On Wed 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, > > would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look > > at GhostScript... > > > Well of course one might contemplate writing a ghostscript renderer which > produced Draw files. In principle this should be easier than a rasterizer, > but I don't know how much support ghostscript has for vector grahics output. > > However I understood that Alternative Publishing were working on a new > postscript interpreter. I don't know how far they have got. > In fact such an application already existst: Riscript Pro. Soon there will be a major upgrade to this package (before the october show). Riscript Pro (3.5) reads PS, PDF, EPS(vantage). and converts to draw or PDF, So it is a sort of distiller for the acorn, like ghostscript, but better. the latest version is currently alpha, but if you convert normal postscript/pdf everything works fine. The program also converts fonts embedded in postscript-files to RISC OS outline fonts. does a nice job and is faster then !pdf in pdf reading Maarten Ottens -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 14:47:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103899 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 14:47:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936969423:20:23158:809; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:17:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017324; 10 Sep 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17575 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:19:34 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17570 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:19:32 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.60]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAC4A83 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:17:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:33 +0100 Subject: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: <493f587919delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > problem? Yes, and not only !Content. I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran happily under RISC OS 4. (I planned to mail a list of those applets, but I didn't, and now I forgot their names - always having used only a few of them, really). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 18:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103904 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:34:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936980939:20:11134:525; Fri, 10 Sep 99 16:28:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125955; 10 Sep 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18092 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:00:44 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18087 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:00:43 +0100 Received: from p65.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.193] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11PREG-00066f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:00:41 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:47:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:48:43 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems Message-ID: <2331623f49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103830@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > This is probably one to cut out and keep... > > --------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ > > In recent weeks I've had a rash of complaints about spot colours > in Artworks files not working correctly. > > > What can you do about this? > > Try to run OPro before lots of other programs that set up dynamic areas. > I gather Microlaser Designs contacted you about a problem with spot colours thrown up during a job they were running for us this week. I was told on the phone that their work-around was to rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the problem is less acute with only 32MB? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 19:38:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103934 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 19:38:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936987872:10:12844:24; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:24:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123044; 10 Sep 99 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18525 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:52 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18520 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 32322 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 18:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21251 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 18:01:26 -0000 Received: from 09.hiper01.shef.dialup.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.142.9) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 18:01:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:09:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Sep, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has > >done what I > >>think it has done? > > > >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn > >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at > >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > > > > Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another look when > time isn't too short. > > Peter. > > I have an old PD version of Riscript which will display a postscript file on screen (yes I have checked PS from Acorn's driver) which would do for checking the page is as you intend. It is a WIMP program with a reasonable desktop front end, quite a bit easier than ghostscript which I have never worked out. I can ARCFS-it and send a copy if you would like. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 20:13:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103941 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:13:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936989620:10:03053:16; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:53:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111449; 10 Sep 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18682 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18676 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PVZ4-000OfV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:38:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 99 19:06:27 GMT Message-Id: <103923@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I gather Microlaser Designs contacted you about a problem >with spot colours thrown up during a job they were running for us >this week. I was told on the phone that their work-around was to >rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the >problem is less acute with only 32MB? Yes, thats what I hinted at in my message. Very crudely, if you have 10 dynamic areas on a machine with 32Mb, the highest address is likely to be 10 * 32 = 320Mb. On a machine with 128Mb, the highest address would be 10 * 128 = 1280Mb. Note these are static addresses, they don't depend on if anything has actually used any memory or is going to. In the last case if OPro is the 11'th program to start its area address starts at 1280Mb. - regardless of if the preceding 10 programs have used 128Mb of memory or used 0 bytes. (in real life DA's don't start at zero, and there's a gap in the address space, so things are worse than the above example) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 20:14:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103944 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:14:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936989532:20:25790:19; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025642; 10 Sep 99 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18629 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:36:56 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18624 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:36:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 21614 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 18:35:51 -0000 Received: from userm865.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.80.153) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 18:35:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:34:22 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: <493f7c581bdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> References: <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk>, Roger Noble wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > Ovation Pro was continually being destroyed by a Type=5 error... I'm > > dead. > > > > The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like > > RO4... Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. > > > > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > > problem? > I will take a look when I install RO4. I don't know if it has arrived > yet, I am out of the country until late this evening ... actually I will > take a look even if I haven't got RO4 yet, if the applet is killing OP > when it starts up it should be in a fairly limited area of code. > Cheers, > Roger Noble Roger, to add a little to my previos post... possibly narrow your search a little. Ov Pro will boot to the Icon Bar, but trying to open any document at all crashed Ov Pro with a type 5. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 20:14:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103945 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:14:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936989648:20:27304:22; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:54:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101174; 10 Sep 99 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18674 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18669 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PVZ2-000OfV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:38:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 99 19:06:12 GMT Message-Id: <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran happily under >RISC OS 4. >(I planned to mail a list of those applets, but I didn't, and now I forgot >their names - always having used only a few of them, really). What was that about specific error reports? ;-) On the whole though applets do work don't they? at least they do in my experience of ROS 4. I suspect there is a problem with the Impulse applet which I'm about to tackle. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103972 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:13:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937037405:10:08897:21; Sat, 11 Sep 99 08:10:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115275; 11 Sep 99 8:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20508 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:53:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20503 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:53:54 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Phxf-000EwC-0C; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:52:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:04:31 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Paul Sprangers In-Reply-To: <493f587919delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 10 Sep, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > > problem? > > Yes, and not only !Content. > I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran happily under > RISC OS 4. > (I planned to mail a list of those applets, but I didn't, and now I forgot > their names - always having used only a few of them, really). > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > Would this have anything to do with page zero? I'm no expert on these matters, but you never know it could be. -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103975 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937017249:20:26620:22; Sat, 11 Sep 99 02:34:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026546; 11 Sep 99 2:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19959 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:18:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19954 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:18:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PcjH-00013e-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:17:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 02:38:36 GMT Message-Id: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !Contents crash on ROS 4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Given access to a traceback of what is crashing, I reckon, this function in !Contents.Library.Contents void Contents_view_active (int user, int view, int gain) { if (view != Contents_current_view) { if(gain) // add { // add close_window (Contents_win); Contents_current_view = view; // <---- (2) Contents_current_file= filefromview(view); // <---- (1) Contents_load_document(); } // add } } should be corrected to be as above, note the new line (1) and that lines (1) and (2) have moved to be in front of Contents_load_document() instead of after it. Don't take this as gospel its just a hint, the problem is using Contents_load_document() to read dud tagged data... Over to Roger Noble to tell us the proper fix. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103974 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937039136:10:20818:18; Sat, 11 Sep 99 08:38:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020745; 11 Sep 99 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20600 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20595 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:49 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PiTT-000Iug-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:25:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:20:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: PDF and EPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <37D8D171.7920B33C@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 10 Sep, Graham Jones wrote: > You're quite right, a draw file renderer could be considered for > ghostscript, though it wouldn't be easier than a rasterizer. I think > implementing clipping paths would be one of the hardest things to deal with > without a lot of extra development. Drawfiles have no concept of this (hence > lack of support in !PDF as well, I believe). > > Ghostscript has support for vector graphics, it can handle PS and PDF > afterall. Devices are free to handle vector shapes by themselves, or output > rasterized data. Delving deeper, it looks like the only way of taking > advantage of the built in clipping is to output to a rasterized image. > > I wonder if Cerilica Vantage can deal with such things, that might make > vector output from ghostscript for Risc OS easier to develop. > > Sprite output would be relatively simple to implement, based upon one of the > many existing image output formats. ArtWorks has clipping, Vantage must have it. I'm not so sure whether Draw is completly non-clipping in its internals. The first practical clipping software (+trapping for vector objects) on Acorns is already 7 years old (development started in 1991) but has never been sold. In fact it should still be finished a bit though I can use it without too much problems. Ferdinand Oeinck made !WClipper for vinyl cutters and silkscreen films partly on my request. He sells his other software through XAT in the Netherlands. I've often written about it to get people interested and get the writer to work on it again or to get it integrated in other software, to no avail. Nick of Vantage has seen some samples but wasn't impressed so we may expect the solution from their side I guess :-) I've written about it and showed examples or more of it to David, Nick, Martin, Jeroen, Roeland, Majid and probably more people developing graphic software. That over a period of 5 years at least. This is the last time I write about I hope. Ask David what he thinks about it. And yes it doesn't do clipping nor trapping on bitmaps or vector/bitmap boundaries like a complete clipping function should do. Anyway RiScript Pro isn't very widespread either in Acorn graphics land. It has its qualities but was too expensive I'm told. Can't understand that given the chance you might pay for film costs twice without it. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103976 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937042546:20:01922:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 09:35:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111423; 11 Sep 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20772 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:11 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20767 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:10 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-108.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.108]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06290 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:19:57 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:53:24 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import/export Message-ID: <7e94833f49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6863f63b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <6863f63b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > > Anyone who is interested in this would also do well to look at a project I > have started called Toffee Net (was called Toffee Tree) at > http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk/toffee > Ooops. That's http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk/ToffeeNet (thanks Steve) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103978 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937042579:20:02051:20; Sat, 11 Sep 99 09:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001844; 11 Sep 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20779 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:14 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20774 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:12 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-108.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.108]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06293 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:20:00 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:49:19 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103470@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103470@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > AFAIK the menu offers an X and Y gap, and the minimum is zero, i.e. > touching. > > 'Print setup' as with other formats that aren't fit'd or centere'd > offers an overall X and Y shift. That sounds so logical I'll have to try it again and see If I've missed the point here... :-) Thanks. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 14:44:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103994 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 14:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937055648:10:20681:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104043; 11 Sep 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21442 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:59:49 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21437 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:59:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 12474 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0000 Received: from userl641.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.75.200) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:59:27 +0100 Subject: Re: !Contents crash on ROS 4 Message-ID: <493fe184a8df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes wrote: [Snip] > >The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like RO4. > >Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. > >Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > >problem? > >Cheers > >Dave S In article <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Given access to a traceback of what is crashing, I reckon, this > function in !Contents.Library.Contents [Snip David's modifications] > Don't take this as gospel its just a hint, the problem is using > Contents_load_document() to read dud tagged data... > Over to Roger Noble to tell us the proper fix. > David Pilling Thanks David... I've just made the above mods to a copy of !Contents and installed it back inside Ov Pro... At least Ov Pro doesn't die with a type 5 now. :-) Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 14:44:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103995 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 14:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937055072:20:26843:17; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:04:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119715; 11 Sep 99 13:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21389 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:50:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21384 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:50:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PmaW-000Iur-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:49:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:19:30 GMT Message-Id: <103983@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents crash on ROS 4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >ArtWorks has clipping, Vantage must have it. OPro has non-rectangular clipping too - drop a Draw file into a circular frame. >I'm not so sure whether Draw is completly non-clipping in its internals. I think the point is that RISC OS does not support irregular clipping at all. Therefore Draw does not. Put it another way there is nothing in the Draw file format that requires irregular clip. >is the last time I write about I hope. Ask David what he thinks about it. Fine, but like with trapping in general something for experts in its current form. Presumeably when you clip, you can do it in one of two ways, either take the vector objects and work out a set of clipped outlines which you render in the normal way. Or render the outlines and clip the resulting pixels. The second approach is much easier and might be looked at as cheating, but you're going to have to do it anyway for pixel objects. Really irregular clip should be built into RISC OS... I wonder what the chances of that are? Also one should mention that CC probably have done all this work in a RISCOS compatible framework already. So a simple deal between CC and ROSL could bring a big step forward. But I'll bet there's no chance of that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 22:05:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104012 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:05:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937072092:20:29526:27; Sat, 11 Sep 99 17:48:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029421; 11 Sep 99 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22088 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:33:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22083 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:33:01 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.116) [62.188.136.116] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Pr04-00069t-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:31:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:29:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 9 Sep 1999 (23:09:36 +0100), ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk wrote: >In on Wed 08 Sep, Dr P.N.Young wrote: >> On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >> > >> >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has >> >done what I >> >>think it has done? >> > >> >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn >> >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at >> >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript >> > >> >> Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another >look when >> time isn't too short. >> >> Peter. >> >> >I have an old PD version of Riscript which will display a postscript >file on screen (yes I have checked PS from Acorn's driver) which would >do for >checking the page is as you intend. It is a WIMP program with a >reasonable desktop front end, quite a bit easier than ghostscript which >I have never >worked out. I can ARCFS-it and send a copy if you would like. Thanks; I would be delighted with this if you could send it. (Thanks for all the other comments about GhostScript, and the offers to help, but when I see the words "writing a script" I begin to think life is too short!) After thinking about GhostScript I had begun to wonder whether Riscript would be a better option, and was going to start to look for it anyway. BTW, (and this is where we came in) James' Cheltenham Town fanzine is done and going on sale tomorrow. Next edition I must get him to mention RiscOS and Ovation Pro. He does realise that it would have been a lot more difficult (not to say expensive) in Windoze :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 22:05:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104017 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:05:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937081270:10:16147:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 20:21:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118110; 11 Sep 99 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22412 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:03 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22397 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:01 +0100 Received: from p82.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.210] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11PtO6-0006ya-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:04:42 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:58 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA22398 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB22412 pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: =20 > hanks for all > the other comments about GhostScript, and the offers to help, but when = I see > the words "writing a script" I begin to think life is too short!) After > thinking about GhostScript I had begun to wonder whether Riscript would= be a > better option, and was going to start to look for it anyway. >=20 There is a front end for Ghost Script by Martin W=FCrthner called GView which avoids all nonsense with scripts. Just drop a ps file over the iconbar icon (or double click on a postscript file) and it will be displayed in a window. I'm afraid I don't know where it came from but its Freeware. Ghostscript does take a little setting up initially - I recall I had to set up a raFS disk to cope with the long filenames it uses. And although it does some kind of job rendering postscript files it is far from comprehensive in terms of the files it can handle. David --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 23:38:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104026 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 23:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937088343:10:10295:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010263; 11 Sep 99 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22740 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:05:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22735 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:05:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PvFf-000HMu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:04:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 23:02:06 GMT Message-Id: <104024@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thanks; I would be delighted with this if you could send it. Ghostscript 5 and GView (which is most useful) are on the RISC OS 4 CD... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 23:38:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104027 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 23:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937087906:20:18989:17; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:11:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122269; 11 Sep 99 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22684 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:57:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22679 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:56:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Pv7U-000GqF-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:55:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:46:03 GMT Message-Id: <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Impulse applet bug - ROS4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just uploaded the Impulse applet v 1.02 to the web sites. This will now work on RISC OS 4. However the reason why it wouldn't work is a horrible bug not anything to do with RISC OS 4, and so if you use Impulse at all on any version of RISC OS you'd be well advised to upgrade. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 12 14:24:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104042 for opro ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 14:23:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937119100:10:09447:25; Sun, 12 Sep 99 06:51:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009356; 12 Sep 99 6:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23587 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:57:09 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23582 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:57:07 +0100 Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=romsley) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Q2c4-000Ivg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:55:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:29:14 +0100 From: Angus Mackenzie To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: References: <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: At Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran > > happily under RISC OS 4. (I planned to mail a list of those applets, > > but I didn't, and now I forgot their names - always having used only > > a few of them, really). > > > On the whole though applets do work don't they? at least they do in my > experience of ROS 4. > > I suspect there is a problem with the Impulse applet which I'm about > to tackle. > Good-oh. I've fallen foul of a mail merge Type=5 crash which I have written to David about privately; he thinks this is an Impulse applet prob and my experience would support this. Murphy's Law being what it is, this happened just after I had moved to OPro/Impact for my society's mailings and spent considerable time programming the database to do all the common tasks with single button presses. So I'm keen to see it working again. Although I'm not a big user of applets, I have to say that I have otherwise found OPro perfectly stable under RO4. -- Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley demon.co.uk Every time this user upgardes Zap, he loses his sig file again. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 12 14:24:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104045 for opro ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 14:24:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937128150:10:08599:22; Sun, 12 Sep 99 09:22:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126071; 12 Sep 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23893 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:28:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23888 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:28:32 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11Q4ya-0004Qa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:27:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:23:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAA23889 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB23893 In on Sat 11 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > There is a front end for Ghost Script by Martin W=FCrthner called > GView which avoids all nonsense with scripts. Just drop a ps file > over the iconbar icon (or double click on a postscript file) and > it will be displayed in a window. I'm afraid I don't know where > it came from but its Freeware. And there's a frontend to make PDFs. Called !ps2pdf Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 12 14:24:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104049 for opro ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 14:24:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937136934:10:08327:24; Sun, 12 Sep 99 11:48:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103217; 12 Sep 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24198 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:54:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24193 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:54:44 +0100 Received: from (userk981) [193.149.73.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Q7G2-0001fU-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:53:18 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:52:26 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents crash on ROS 4 Message-ID: <8cb9594049.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> References: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42 (02 Mar 1999) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.24 (08 Jun 1999) patch-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Over to Roger Noble to tell us the proper fix. > Sorry for the delay, RO4 arrived on Saturday ... I think that you have already done the proper fix! I had forgotten to set the current file when a new document was opened or selected, as opposed to only when the menu was opened. This nasty bug has been in since version 1.0 of the applet. I suspect that its effects were worse with OP 2.52 than with 2.51 (probably by chance?), and definitely worse with RO4. I will mail an updated copy to the OP resources web site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). In the mean time if anyone wants the fixed version but is unhappy about modifying it themselves, then mail me and I can send it directly. Sorry about the trouble, and thanks to David for fixing it before I got there! Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:39:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104066 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:39:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937153875:20:15386:17; Sun, 12 Sep 99 16:31:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015369; 12 Sep 99 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24747 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:16:48 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24742 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:16:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 21424 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1999 15:15:18 -0000 Received: from 66-215.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.215) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 15:15:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:11:19 +0100 (BST) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: Line drawing problem in OS4 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am now using Risc OS4 and I appear to be having trouble with the line drawing tool in OvPro. In the past I drew the line by pressing select (also pressing shift if the line had to be horizontal or vertical.) Then when the end of the line was reached it was fixed with a double click on select. This no longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or double clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to wherever the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. It can be finally fixed by clicking adjust. For example, if one draws a diagonal line, to fix that line it is necessary first to click select and then to click adjust. Click adjust first and the line disappears. If one draws a horizontal line with shift pressed, and the cross wires are not exactly on the line when select is pressed, an extra bit of line is created joining the end of the horizontal line to the cross wires. Again the line can be fixed by pressing adjust, but it does mean one has to be extremely careful to position the cross wires before pressing select/adjust or the line has an irritating short stub attached. I would like to know if other Risc OS4 users find the same problem, and if so, can David P. think of a solution? -- Maurice Edmundson=====================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From rmking@argonet.co.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104080 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937167396:20:13887:5; Sun, 12 Sep 99 20:16:36 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118077; 12 Sep 99 20:16 GMT Received: from userat23.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.137.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11QG2f-0001r3-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:03:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Impulse applet bug - ROS4 Message-ID: <49408c2954rmking@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've just uploaded the Impulse applet v 1.02 to the web sites. Hello David, Which web sites? I am wondering if this updated module would cure the occasional crash I get when interfacing Circle Software's 'Impact Pro' database to Publisher? Best wishes, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104082 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937168360:20:20758:16; Sun, 12 Sep 99 20:32:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020682; 12 Sep 99 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25278 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25273 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:48 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QFBd-000PvN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:21:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:54:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103923@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >I gather Microlaser Designs contacted you about a problem > >with spot colours thrown up during a job they were running for us > >this week. I was told on the phone that their work-around was to > >rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the > >problem is less acute with only 32MB? > > Yes, thats what I hinted at in my message. As one of those having the spots problem I can confirm that pulling out my 128mb simm, leaving 32mb, solved the problem; it worked first time. However, removing that 128mb simm each time I need to view spots on artworks files is not an option as it means removing my scsi card, and the memory is difficult to remove without pulling off the first slice, but can be done with risk of damaging something. So can anyone come up with a more convenient work around. I have been unable to view these spots by any other method. David you mentioned a piece of software that might help. Cab you elaborate. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104085 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937175544:20:12575:38; Sun, 12 Sep 99 22:32:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116037; 12 Sep 99 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25586 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:24:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25581 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:24:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.139) [193.149.74.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11QH5i-00033L-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:23:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:03:59 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Sep 1999 (14:48:43 +0100), david@english.co.uk wrote: >I was told on the phone that their work-around was to >rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the >problem is less acute with only 32MB? > Blimey! that's a bit drastic isn't it? On the odd occasions when I've had to reduce the memory to get an app to work (e.g. ArtWorks' !FontInst,) I've just loaded some large images into Studio24Pro - much less hassle and no risk of damaged contacts ;-) Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104088 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937179243:20:07291:28; Sun, 12 Sep 99 23:34:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007171; 12 Sep 99 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25700 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:26:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25695 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:26:18 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.171) [193.149.80.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11QI3A-0004Cw-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:24:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:58:22 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Line drawing problem in OS4 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 12 Sep 1999 (16:11:19 +0100), maured@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > I am now using Risc OS4 and I appear to be having trouble with the line > drawing tool in OvPro. > > In the past I drew the line by pressing select (also pressing shift if > the line had to be horizontal or vertical.) Then when the end of the > line was reached it was fixed with a double click on select. This no > longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or double > clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to wherever > the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. It can > be finally fixed by clicking adjust. For example, if one draws a > diagonal line, to fix that line it is necessary first to click select > and then to click adjust. Click adjust first and the line disappears. > > If one draws a horizontal line with shift pressed, and the cross wires > are not exactly on the line when select is pressed, an extra bit of > line is created joining the end of the horizontal line to the cross > wires. Again the line can be fixed by pressing adjust, but it does mean > one has to be extremely careful to position the cross wires before > pressing select/adjust or the line has an irritating short stub > attached. I agree with and recreated the first part of this using Opro 2.52 and RISCOS 4.02 but not the second. When I held shift to to produce horizontal lines clicking select and adjust completed the line without any irritating extras no matter where the crosswires were. I can't remember how it worked in the past. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104092 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937214557:10:21396:30; Mon, 13 Sep 99 09:22:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108316; 13 Sep 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27109 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:47:54 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27104 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:47:51 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18558 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:44:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24316; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:42:50 +0100 Message-ID: <37DCBA9D.7BCC1E91@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:49:33 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... References: <37D8D4BD.991832E2@sharp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to continue of OvPro topics, but I need to correct a little mistake I made .... Graham Jones wrote: > The quality of output can be improved, when using the pcx devices (mono > and colour) by adding -dTextAlphaBits=4 to the command line - this uses a > simple anti-aliasing algorithm to smooth the edges of the text. I was talking rubbish - the pbm (and related) devices allow anti-aliasing with greyscale and colour, in case anybody has tried this. Graham. -- Sharp Laboratories of Europe, Switchboard: +44-(0)1865-747711 Oxford Science Park, Fax: +44-(0)1865-714217 Oxford, OX4 4GB Direct dial: +44-(0)1865-334142 England Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104093 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937223224:10:15070:32; Mon, 13 Sep 99 11:47:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112667; 13 Sep 99 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27383 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:01:01 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27378 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:59 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s15-47-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.47]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:42:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB27383 On Sat 11 Sep, David Graddol wrote: >=20 > There is a front end for Ghost Script by Martin W=FCrthner called > GView which avoids all nonsense with scripts. Just drop a ps file > over the iconbar icon (or double click on a postscript file) and > it will be displayed in a window. I'm afraid I don't know where > it came from but its Freeware. >=20 This is OK for viewing but does not work at sufficiently high resolution = for reproduction. Also the version I have does not work properly with pdf fil= es. Steve --=20 Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:42:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104132 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:42:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937331222:20:04030:45; Tue, 14 Sep 99 17:47:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105846; 14 Sep 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30088 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:14:34 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30083 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:14:32 +0100 Received: from modem-4.neptunium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.4] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qw8C-00083E-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:12:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:22:28 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem with tabs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199907041234.NAA28683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA30084 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB30088 Dear colleagues, May I ask for advice about the area of OvationPro which I find least sati= sfactory, bearing in mind that I may well have missed something in the ma= nual or be ignorant of a facility which is actually present! I was used to WordPerfect 5.1 before I retired, and found the tab setting= in that package quite easy. In OvationPro when I try to edit the tabs, = I find that the window does not show up where the existing tabs are! I h= ave not found out yet how to delete the tabs of the default page so as to= give myself a default which has NO TABS... Is there a way of getting the existing tabs to display in the window when= I am trying to edit them. I find the "display invisibles" far from sati= sfactory, as the various characters which then show up seem to adopt arbi= trary imprecise positions. I cannot tell EXACTLY where a tab is from loo= king at that display. Nor can I tell of course what type of tab it is. I am really seeking help in using the tab set facility, rather than seein= g the invisibles, though, and would be glad of any advice. Many thanks, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle=20 Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham,=20 NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930 3=80=FF=FF=FF=FF -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104140 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937348730:20:20485:20; Tue, 14 Sep 99 22:38:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020437; 14 Sep 99 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30819 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:30 +0100 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30814 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:28 +0100 Received: from modem-4.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.12.4] helo=orchard-way) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11R0jZ-0007zq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:07:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:55:58 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Line drawing problem in OS4 Message-ID: <2d4f1a4149.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Sun 12 Sep 1999 (16:11:19 +0100), maured@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > > I am now using Risc OS4 and I appear to be having trouble with the line > > drawing tool in OvPro. > > > > In the past I drew the line by pressing select (also pressing shift if > > the line had to be horizontal or vertical.) Then when the end of the > > line was reached it was fixed with a double click on select. This no > > longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or double > > clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to wherever > > the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. It can > > be finally fixed by clicking adjust. For example, if one draws a > > diagonal line, to fix that line it is necessary first to click select > > and then to click adjust. Click adjust first and the line disappears. > > > > If one draws a horizontal line with shift pressed, and the cross wires > > are not exactly on the line when select is pressed, an extra bit of > > line is created joining the end of the horizontal line to the cross > > wires. Again the line can be fixed by pressing adjust, but it does mean > > one has to be extremely careful to position the cross wires before > > pressing select/adjust or the line has an irritating short stub > > attached. > > I agree with and recreated the first part of this using Opro 2.52 and RISCOS > 4.02 but not the second. > > When I held shift to to produce horizontal lines clicking select and adjust > completed the line without any irritating extras no matter where the crosswires > were. > > I can't remember how it worked in the past. I've just tried on RO3.7, OPro 2.51. Draw without shift, select starts line, select fixes first segment and starts second, double click on select ends line. Draw with select, click adjust and the line disappears. With shift, select starts line, double click creates horizontal or vertical single segment. End with adjust and the line disappears. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104147 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937343625:10:04220:18; Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:13:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004209; 14 Sep 99 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30515 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30506 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:29 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QzLU-000JxP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:38:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:56:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <104024@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 12 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >Thanks; I would be delighted with this if you could send it. > > Ghostscript 5 and GView (which is most useful) are on the RISC OS 4 CD... And quite honestly are not difficult to set up if you follow the instructions exactly. In short all you really do is download everything, put it all in the same raFS directory and then use GView as a front end. I've never had any difficulties and rarely has it failed to display a postscript file produce by the ROS printer driver. I find Ghostscript invaluable for checking a file before sending to the printers. GView is on Hensa I believe. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104149 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937343704:10:04974:17; Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:15:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119368; 14 Sep 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30517 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30510 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:30 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QzLS-000JxP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:38:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:57:17 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Try this To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 31 Aug, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? I recently put in my Arm610 processor to play elite and I tried the full stop key in OPro(after waiting 14 years for it to load) I got the first full stop, but did not get the rest until after releasing the key. Not that I care! -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104153 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937384525:20:23380:19; Wed, 15 Sep 99 08:35:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023071; 15 Sep 99 8:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31948 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:06:15 +0100 Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31943 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:06:13 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem901.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.133]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19877 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:03:11 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Driver To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Does anybody know of a driver for the Quendata dwp 1120 daisywheelprinter? Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Let op! Nieuw tel. & faxnummer! Tel. +31(0)70 307 2040 Fax: +31(0)70 307 2050 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail: ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail: avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail: info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:45:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104181 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937434040:20:29919:32; Wed, 15 Sep 99 22:20:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120773; 15 Sep 99 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00977 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:45:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00972 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:45:56 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RMq8-000Odo-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:43:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:42:19 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Awful sudden crashing spate To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting twiddling its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually had to reset the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and even re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. Switched off and tried again. Still the same problem. What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is getting later..... RiscPC SA 4gb SCSI 66mb RAM OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 I'll be checking for the replies. Anyone else suddenly started experiencing things? OPro until now has been rock solid. I am at a loss. Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl errors with module not found messages... aaargh! Regards -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:45:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104186 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937441907:20:10942:33; Thu, 16 Sep 99 00:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109831; 16 Sep 99 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01274 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01269 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:09 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.245) [194.69.104.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ROoG-0004MH-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:49:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: Paul Hutton Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:52:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <49422ca4b2lexicon1@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting twiddling > its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually had to reset > the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and even > re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. > However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried > dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border > round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. Switched off and tried > again. Still the same problem. > What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to > crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is getting > later..... > RiscPC SA > 4gb SCSI > 66mb RAM > OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 Doubt it's got anything to do with OVPro. Check the SCSI termination and leads. Martin Longley -- martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 16 16:46:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104192 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937424536:10:13171:23; Wed, 15 Sep 99 19:42:16 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.22]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013177; 15 Sep 99 19:42 GMT Received: from modem-21.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.91.149] helo=celtania) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11RKwT-0006Ac-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:42:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:39:30 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: OvationPro tabs Message-ID: <927c154249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Status: R Sorry, I've lost the original request - re tabs in ovation pro. Tabs puzzled me for quite a while. I have observed that OvnP seems to keep a set of default tabs (nothing to do with the default document) which it will use if there are no user defined tabs in the currently defined style/effect. ie consider a document with no effects and no styles except Bodytext and that this has no tabs set. Then hitting the tab key will move the cursor across in 10mm steps. Is this right? - can't find anything in the manual about it and can't find any choice/preference governing it. If there are user defined tabs set then this phenomenon is still apparent if the tab key is hit after the last user def tab has been passed (assuming there is sufficient space left on the line) -- Roger Morris From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:47:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104207 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937472382:10:11549:22; Thu, 16 Sep 99 08:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110431; 16 Sep 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02068 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:05:16 +0100 Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02063 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:05:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id BBB509B10 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:02:24 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Devon Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:03:17 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.20 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 15 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting twiddling > its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually had to reset > the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and even > re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. > > However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried > dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border > round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. Switched off and tried > again. Still the same problem. > > What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to > crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is getting > later..... > > RiscPC SA > 4gb SCSI > 66mb RAM > OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 > > I'll be checking for the replies. Anyone else suddenly started experiencing > things? OPro until now has been rock solid. I am at a loss. > > Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error > messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl errors > with module not found messages... aaargh! > > Regards > Check the seating of your RAM SIMMs. I have problems blessedly rarely with my 80 RiscPCs (in fact almost never) but more often than not that's the cause, especially if they're not the type of SIMM with gold-plated contacts. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:48:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104211 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937494365:10:24254:41; Thu, 16 Sep 99 15:06:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116721; 16 Sep 99 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02668 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:44:04 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (temp-mail.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02663 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:44:01 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25884 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:41:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199909161341.PAA25884@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 16 Sep 1999 08:42:38 GMT Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 937489272 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Dear all [snip] >Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error >messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl errors >with module not found messages... aaargh! > I'd suggest You *CheckMap and *Verify Your harddisc... Good luck! Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 20:38:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104289 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 20:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937503707:10:18075:19; Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101169; 16 Sep 99 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03064 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03058 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Rf3w-000Mp1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:11:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:55:24 GMT Message-Id: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried >dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border >round a frame- type 5 crash. When you upgraded fom 2.46 to 2.52 I hope you also upgraded your colour supplement + artworks applets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 20:38:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104291 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 20:38:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937504474:10:27736:21; Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:54:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028192; 16 Sep 99 17:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03069 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03063 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Rf3u-000Mp1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:11:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:50:54 GMT Message-Id: <104214@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Blimey! that's a bit drastic isn't it? On the odd occasions when I've had to >reduce the memory to get an app to work (e.g. ArtWorks' !FontInst,) I've just >loaded some large images into Studio24Pro - much less hassle and no risk of >damaged contacts ;-) As I said, the problem is nothing to do with memory usage. Its to do with memory address allocation, and that depends purely on the amount of RAM in your machine and the order applications are run in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 20:58:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104294 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 20:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937511713:10:18413:18; Thu, 16 Sep 99 19:55:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018468; 16 Sep 99 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:14:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03458 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:13:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11RgwR-0004UV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:11:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:10:16 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Me again- Spate of crashes follow up To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I've stopped crying for the moment. I switched off and reinstalled OPro from scratch (all the way from 2.46.... ) but did not copy across my autorun folder. Lo and behold, I could draw a border and put in clip art. I think somehow my !choices file must have become corrupted (but I did not fiddle with it, honest!) as if I substitute it for the old one, it crashes again. I am looking forward to carrying on with my favourite program, but will be typing on eggshells for a while. I have a stack of things to do tonoght so we shall see. Thank you all very much indeed for all the suggestions- especially the triumvirate of Martins!; I have checked my termination, will pull out and re-insert my ram simms at the weekend when I have time to remove the 2 cd drives, other hard drive, and 4 cards... I sincerely hope I do not need to type to you again today (cor, I sound like the teacher I am), and am heartened by the immense support in this NG. Roll on the day we get virtual tissues and virtual shoulders to cry on...! Regards -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 16 22:54:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104308 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:54:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937516242:20:08319:4; Thu, 16 Sep 99 21:10:42 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.212]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113311; 16 Sep 99 21:10 GMT Received: from modem-47.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.47] helo=celtania) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Rine-0008WQ-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:10:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:08:27 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro tabs Message-ID: <9a77a14249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104218@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 In message <104218@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >ie consider a document with no effects and no styles except Bodytext and > >that this has no tabs set. Then hitting the tab key will move the cursor > >across in 10mm steps. Is this right? > > Yes this is right, there is a default set of tabs, every 10mm after the > last tab you have set by hand. > Thank you David, you have confirmed that this is a design feature. I certainly do not object to the default tabs - quite the contrary - but was puzzled until I had worked out how they were appearing. And I think this answers a previous question on the subject of OP tabs. -- Roger Morris From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 22:54:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104309 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937517369:10:20083:16; Thu, 16 Sep 99 21:29:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102946; 16 Sep 99 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03661 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:46:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03656 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:46:56 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.193) [193.149.70.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11RiON-00005d-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:00:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <49428545d5lionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Martin Devon wrote: > Check the seating of your RAM SIMMs. I have problems > blessedly rarely with my 80 RiscPCs (in fact almost never) > but more often than not that's the cause, especially if they're > not the type of SIMM with gold-plated contacts. You could also try the application of a little contact enhancer to all connections: SCSI, RAM, ROMs, processor card(s), backplane and podule cards. Failing that. Is your power supply clean and PSU in good order? Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 22:54:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104311 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:54:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937518473:20:03999:20; Thu, 16 Sep 99 21:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111582; 16 Sep 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03762 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:08:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03757 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:08:00 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.169) [194.69.104.169] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Riik-0000de-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:05:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:56:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <494258f7e0alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting > twiddling its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually > had to reset the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and > even re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. > However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- > tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried > putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. > Switched off and tried again. Still the same problem. > What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to > crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is > getting later..... > RiscPC SA 4gb SCSI 66mb RAM OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 > I'll be checking for the replies. Anyone else suddenly started > experiencing things? OPro until now has been rock solid. I am at a > loss. > Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error > messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl > errors with module not found messages... aaargh! This last paragraph suggests that it may not be OvPro causing the problem. I found with my ageing RiscPC, that every 8 or 9 months I was getting odd errors occurring which were cured by 'reseating' Vram, Simms, all connectors, PC card, processor card, backplane and modules. The reason is that mild oxidation of the connectors increases the resistance and particularly capacity of these connections leading to timing problems and thus stray memory errors when writing to and reading from RAM. Removing and replacing them produces a 'clean' surface again reducing the stray capacitance back to within acceptable limits and thus curing that problem. Now every 6 months before this starts to happen, I give my RiscPC an overhaul putting a thin smear of 'electrolube' on each connector before replacing. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 02:03:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104327 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:03:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937524537:10:02391:16; Thu, 16 Sep 99 23:28:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002354; 16 Sep 99 23:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04037 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:48:32 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04032 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:48:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 16292 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1999 22:46:04 -0000 Received: from user1246.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.246) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1999 22:46:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:19:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- > >tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried > >putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. > When you upgraded fom 2.46 to 2.52 I hope you also upgraded your colour > supplement + artworks applets. Talking about upgrades ... I have OP 2.52 and have upgraded to RISC OS 4 - so far without doing the hard drive bit, so OP works fine. Now when I do reformat the drive and restore my backup to the new drive, presumably I'll have to do something to OP to make it work again. Before, this meant showing it the 2.46 disc, but isn't it different with 2.52? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 04:15:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104375 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937537859:20:07185:18; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:10:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113196; 17 Sep 99 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04695 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04690 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RnlV-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:16:05 GMT Message-Id: <104333@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As one of those having the spots problem I can confirm >that pulling out my 128mb simm, leaving 32mb, solved >the problem; >David you mentioned a piece of software that might >help. Cab you elaborate. Well one program is DALimit from guttorm vik http://home.eunet.no/~guttorvi/strong.html However (may Mr. StrongED forgive me) I have seen a better such program one which allows you to vary the size of the DA for each program individually. I'll try to find the reference... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 04:15:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104380 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:15:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937537863:10:10772:21; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:11:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118824; 17 Sep 99 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04688 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04683 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RnlS-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:07:43 GMT Message-Id: <104331@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Another RISC OS 4 problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I've found a nasty problem with Ovation Pro and ROS4. Hearsay, ArcFax and OvationPro all have a similar script language. Whilst the scripts have no bugs in them, all is fine. However if the script compiler finds an error in a script, I believe that the whole application will keel over with a trap in trap handler error. So you'll probably only notice this problem if you're developing applets or macros in OvationPro. The code which raises errors depends on C's long jump code. This is probably not commonly used. However, more on this later when I've pinned down whats wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 14:32:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104383 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:32:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937538475:10:14493:16; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:21:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014346; 17 Sep 99 3:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04799 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:36:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04787 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:36:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Rnql-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:34:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:23:13 GMT Message-Id: <104365@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Line drawing problem in OS4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This no longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or >double clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to >wherever the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. Looks like you're right. I will investigate... One possibility is that under ROS4 the settings for times/distances for clicks/double clicks change. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 14:32:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104384 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:32:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937540949:10:01322:22; Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:02:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119506; 17 Sep 99 4:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04963 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:22:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04958 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:22:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RoYt-0003vA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:19:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:16:22 GMT Message-Id: <104381@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another RISC OS 4 problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hearsay, ArcFax and OvationPro all have a similar script language. >Whilst the scripts have no bugs in them, all is fine. >However if the script compiler finds an error in a script, >I believe that the whole application will keel over with a trap in >trap handler error. Seemingly this is because the programs attempt to "throwback" errors. If you have a throwback handler present, e.g. Zap then there won't be a crash. I gather this is a known problem with the ROS4 DDEUtils module. The problem can happen with other programs e.g. Acorns Find. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 14:33:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104386 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937538652:20:12915:17; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:24:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120341; 17 Sep 99 3:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04681 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04676 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RnlP-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:05:11 GMT Message-Id: <104329@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now when I do reformat the drive and restore my backup to the new drive, >presumably I'll have to do something to OP to make it work again. Before, >this meant showing it the 2.46 disc, but isn't it different with 2.52? I don't know the answer to this, I think there's been some discussion on here and the outcome was that all the bit about uninstalling or showing installed versions to the installer is not relevant. You just format and then install another copy. I'd think uninstalling was only relevant if there was a limit to how many times you can install. I guess Beebug decided that was more trouble than it was worth and dropped it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 22:58:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104463 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937601070:10:04575:18; Fri, 17 Sep 99 20:44:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004544; 17 Sep 99 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06687 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:48:57 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06682 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:48:55 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FI700I5ZYX7TS@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:48:33 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: printing wierd format To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all I've made a non-standard sized booklet. It is -------- | | 105mm -------- 300mm (half A4) It is a double sided document with 24 pages and i want to print it on A4. In Ovation it is like this: -------- | 1 | -------- ---------------- | 2 || 3 | ---------------- etc -------- | 24 | -------- And now i want to print it like this: -------- -------- | 24 | | 2 | -------- -------- etc -------- -------- | 1 | | 23 | -------- -------- So you end up with a booklet: ---------- /|\ 1 \ / 5| \ \ ---|_3_ ----------- A folded A4 with the fold on top. I hope you get the picture. But all the print setups are designed to print like this: ----------- | | | | 24 | 1 | | | | ----------- The pages side by side and not above each other Is there any way to get it printed the way i want it? I want to print it and be able to copy it without cut'n paste. If not possible what do you suggest is the best way o get the final result? Many thanks in advance -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 22:58:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104465 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937604097:20:00105:28; Fri, 17 Sep 99 21:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102830; 17 Sep 99 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06851 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:18:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06846 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:18:48 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11S5MY-00053K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:16:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:28:38 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: References: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > > >However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- > > >tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried > > >putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. > > > When you upgraded fom 2.46 to 2.52 I hope you also upgraded your colour > > supplement + artworks applets. > > Talking about upgrades ... > > I have OP 2.52 and have upgraded to RISC OS 4 - so far without doing the > hard drive bit, so OP works fine. > > Now when I do reformat the drive and restore my backup to the new drive, > presumably I'll have to do something to OP to make it work again. Before, > this meant showing it the 2.46 disc, but isn't it different with 2.52? It's hateful but you'll have to re-install 2.46 unless you've kept a copy on hard disc, in which case you can just show it to the installer. You then upgrade to 2.51, then 2.52. Before you start make sure your applets dir in the original 2.52 is safe so that you can copy it back into the new version. Also your Autorun dir. That'll save you messing around with re- configuration and sorting out current applets. Unless you actually bought 2.52, that is. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 02:23:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104475 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 02:23:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937609013:10:02881:24; Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:56:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117813; 17 Sep 99 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07103 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07096 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11S6ZA-000Pbp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:33:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 23:11:49 GMT Message-Id: <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It's hateful but you'll have to re-install 2.46 unless you've kept a copy >on hard disc, in which case you can just show it to the installer. You >then upgrade to 2.51, then 2.52. What you'd do to make life easy... Install a new 2.46 on hard disc. Then apply just the !Upgrade programs from the 2.51 and 2.52 upgrades to it. Finally copy the !RunImage from this version into your old 2.52. Point is that it is only the !RunImage which knows anything about the copy protection. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 02:23:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104476 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 02:23:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937609365:10:06816:16; Fri, 17 Sep 99 23:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006758; 17 Sep 99 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07108 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07102 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11S6ZC-000Pbp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:33:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 23:14:54 GMT Message-Id: <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing wierd format X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way to get it printed the way i want it? I want to print it and >be able to copy it without cut'n paste. Sure just write a new imposition format script. I guess you're telling me that is too hard to do the current way... I don't understand why the page numbering you want is different from that for a normal pamphlet. But as to the rotation could you rotate the page contents before printing, and the use the standard pamphlet format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 02:23:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104477 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 02:23:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937613035:10:16286:22; Sat, 18 Sep 99 00:03:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106443; 18 Sep 99 0:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07320 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:37:08 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07315 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:37:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 12521 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 23:34:28 -0000 Received: from user1222.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1222) (193.132.93.222) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 23:34:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:34:06 +0100 Subject: Draw filesand printing ... Message-ID: <494332a33arayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I used Draw to produce some arrows in a document and made the line thickness 4 point. On screnn they looked nice and chunky, but when printed out (Post script) they were very thin. So, I made them 8 point - but they still printed thin. In the end I gave up. I'm sure this must have come up before, but what is the answer? (RISC OS 4 in case that has anything to do with it) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 14:07:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104487 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 14:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937641176:20:16352:19; Sat, 18 Sep 99 07:52:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122588; 18 Sep 99 7:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08174 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:38:36 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08169 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:38:34 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FI800AELVRR7D@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:35:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:37:28 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: printing wierd format In-reply-to: <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <03e45e4349.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >Is there any way to get it printed the way i want it? I want to print it > >and be able to copy it without cut'n paste. > > Sure just write a new imposition format script. I guess you're telling > me that is too hard to do the current way... > > I don't understand why the page numbering you want is different from > that for a normal pamphlet. But as to the rotation could you rotate > the page contents before printing, and the use the standard pamphlet format. What pamphlet does is putting the two pages side by side, and in this case it has to put them above each other. It's not a big difference but a very important one in this case. Since i'm not good at programming: Does anyone have an imposition format to pamphletprint half A4s (300x105)? or Can someone tell me how to change the pamphlet printing format to rotate the document first? or Does anyone know an easy way to rotate an entire document 90degrees? Regards -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 14:07:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104500 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 14:07:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937656261:20:25210:18; Sat, 18 Sep 99 12:04:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125100; 18 Sep 99 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08662 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:51:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08657 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:51:06 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11SIyb-000OFk-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:48:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:48:13 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: References: <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >It's hateful but you'll have to re-install 2.46 unless you've kept a copy > >on hard disc, in which case you can just show it to the installer. You > >then upgrade to 2.51, then 2.52. > > What you'd do to make life easy... > > Install a new 2.46 on hard disc. Then apply just the !Upgrade programs > from the 2.51 and 2.52 upgrades to it. Finally copy the !RunImage from > this version into your old 2.52. > > Point is that it is only the !RunImage which knows anything about > the copy protection. Ah, that's it. I thought something like this should be possible but not which file. !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.uniquenumb came under suspicion until I noticed the datestamp. Shame, with a distinct file it would have been possible to just update 2.46 then copy the file across. No matter. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:58:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104555 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937677740:20:13077:16; Sat, 18 Sep 99 18:02:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100528; 18 Sep 99 18:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09256 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:48:57 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09251 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:48:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 29075 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 17:46:07 -0000 Received: from userl664.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.75.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 17:46:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:40:01 +0100 Subject: Contents Applet Message-ID: <4943960e6fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Okay... I give up. I've wasted tooooo much time on this thing. The recent mods required to !Contents has reminded me why I still have to use Imp Publisher at times. I've tried various Contents Applets and have still not yet (ever) generated a "Contents" of a Document in Ov Pro. For the moment lets stick with !Contents Roger Noble and Jamie Lawrence... I've read and re-read Roger's notes that apply to !Contents v2.02, I've created Styles as noted... I've done all the stuff... still no damn contents list. Even using Roger's help document, which is supposed to be set up to create a Contents list... produces nothing for me. Does this thing actually work? Has anybody in this universe ever managed to create a Contents list from within Ovation Pro.... It's so damn easy in Publisher. Some advice would be appreciated. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:59:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104566 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:59:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937697807:20:06817:16; Sat, 18 Sep 99 23:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006815; 18 Sep 99 23:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:57:57 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10194 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:57:55 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-8.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.8]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14822 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:54:57 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:30:45 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Things that would be useful... Message-ID: <7dacb04349%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ....here's one of those 'wish list' musings. Impression organised its printing so that a Y-offset of zero would align the top of the page with the leading edge of the printout. OvationPro uses a Y-offset from the bottom of the configured page which has lots of undesirable side-effets (I don't know of a desirable side effect, perhaps someone else does?). The main [niggle] is that when I'm printing anything smaller [vertically] than an A4 page I have to calculate the offset from the bottom of a theoretical A4 page to find out what the poition should be to get the output on the leading edge of the printing. For example, to print an A6 page I need an offset of 148.5mm. To print on a DL envelope I need an offset of somthing like 80mm. To print a complement slip [sideways] I need an offset of 87mm. If I were measuring from the top of the page all these offset would be zero. So here's the feature request bit: Could we have buttons, instead of the 'Centre page' options that do 'Top align', 'Bottom align', 'Left align', 'Right Align', 'Vertical centre', 'Hoizontal centre' and 'User defined' that do all the maths based on the currently selected printer's page size and align the document for printing as required? Preferably options that can be set using a macro too - this is very very useful when printing documents using Impact [etc] and its merge commands. I gave up trying to have different page sizes defined using the printer driver since changing page size then requires manual intervention. Thanks. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:59:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104569 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:59:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937737994:20:27002:31; Sun, 19 Sep 99 10:46:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116795; 19 Sep 99 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11504 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:33:05 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11499 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:33:03 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-16.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.16]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02295 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:30:05 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:28:22 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Decimal character Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R For some reason I have a '6' in the decimal character box of my general preferences. However, if I click 'OK' I get "Unknown tytpe of units" error!? Whassat mean? No, after trying to alter the decimal tab character (because my decimals were not tabbing to their tabs) I get a '0' in the box. I think there's a '.' in the right place in the !Prefs file, but my decimals are still right aligned. Eh? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104574 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937750746:20:22094:24; Sun, 19 Sep 99 14:19:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129616; 19 Sep 99 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12049 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:27:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12044 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:27:36 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.58) [62.188.134.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11SgxG-00002q-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:35 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Another thing about page breaks Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Following the dicussion on the use of Alt-12 [0c] as a page break in a text file and then importing it into OvPro; when I do this, ie either by a) dropping a text file with eg "this is some text[0c]this is some more text" in it onto an OvPro page or Iconbar icon (where "this is some text" leaves an unfilled page, and "this is some more text" is the first line on a new page or b) drop a text file with eg " some text and so on ad nauseam" into OvPro, put the caret in somewhere in the text and press the *keypad* - this creates a new page with text starting from where the caret was. If in either of these cases the caret is then put at the very beginning of the new page and is pressed, the new page goes and the two sections of text are now together again on the one page eg: "this is some text this is some more text". Now press F8 (Undo). I get 'Ovation Pro has suffered a Type 5 and must exit' type message every time - clicking quits OPro and the pointer disappears - F12 brings the pointer back Anyone else? or is it me? Machine spec: A3010 4Mb Ram, HCCS multipodule, SCSI micropodule, 511Mb SCSI HD, IDE micropodule (Inactive) Agfa SnapScan 310 SCSI scanner, HP DJ500C printer (parallel port) Motorola 28.8 modem So : is it a 'shortage of memory' thing? (although it happens even when there is >512k left in memory ie OPro is the only thing running) Or a 'feature' of OPro? Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:01:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104580 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:01:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937760848:20:12609:18; Sun, 19 Sep 99 17:07:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012581; 19 Sep 99 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12624 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:51:58 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12619 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:51:56 +0100 Received: from modem-93.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.43.221] helo=celtania) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Sk8x-0002f9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:48:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:46:39 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing wierd format Message-ID: <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hello all > > I've made a non-standard sized booklet. > It is > -------- > | | 105mm > -------- > 300mm > > (half A4) > > It is a double sided document with 24 pages and i want to print it on A4. > In Ovation it is like this: > > -------- > | 1 | > -------- > ---------------- > | 2 || 3 | > ---------------- > etc > -------- > | 24 | > -------- > > And now i want to print it like this: > -------- -------- > | 24 | | 2 | > -------- -------- etc > -------- -------- > | 1 | | 23 | > -------- -------- > > So you end up with a booklet: > ---------- > /|\ 1 \ > / 5| \ \ > ---|_3_ ----------- > > A folded A4 with the fold on top. I hope you get the picture. > Make new document To ensure visibility of what was going on I used: View - Options - Facing pages and Pasteboard document & Master Document zoomed to 50% Page - Edit master pages Page - Page guidelines Page = other, H=297, W=105, Double sided, Mirror, Top=20, Bot=20, Inner=10, Outer=10, Default master frame, Not sideways, then OK Select one of the master frames: Object modify W=257, H=85, Angle=90, OK (do not select anything else) In Info palette X=10, Y=275 (I couldn't do this using Obj Mod !?) Repeat for other master frame - use the same figures Close master page edit window Import your text (or edit looking sideways) Print using Pamphlet at 100%, x & y to suit (I used 3mm) Not Fit, Not Centre, Not Sideways All pages, Front, Print turn paper over side-to-side (for my BJC4000) All pages, Back, Print Fold paper Result is a wide, shallow pamphlet 297 wide, 105 high when folded with horizontal fold readable from page 1 to page 8 by flipping paper up-and-over from front to back. I used only 8 pages to test the idea but the text was flowing properly from frame to frame (auto linked as expected) so it would work for any number of pages. Clearly you will have to use frame sizes etc to suit your requirements. Is this what you want? -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:01:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104584 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:01:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937775697:20:20956:18; Sun, 19 Sep 99 21:14:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127231; 19 Sep 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13032 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:22:22 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13027 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:22:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 20937 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 20:19:17 -0000 Received: from usern172.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.205) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 20:19:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:37:05 +0100 Subject: RO4 and Ov Pro Message-ID: <49441f1dc3df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Evening all... :-) Aside from the Contents applet problem... sorted by DP there is another problem encountered with Ov Pro (2.52) and RO4 The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an error message. "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) Followed by some post mortem stuff. Normally with TransFSI in action, various graphic filetypes could also be loaded into Imp Publisher... again attempting this produces the same error and Post mortem window. Though CC's TransTiff does still work. Any thoughts please... and solutions... Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:02:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104590 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:01:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937784416:20:08692:17; Sun, 19 Sep 99 23:40:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122634; 19 Sep 99 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13530 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:14:19 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13525 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:14:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 28240 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from user1244.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.244) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 23:10:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:30:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw filesand printing ... Message-ID: <4944138586rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <494332a33arayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Fri 17 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > I used Draw to produce some arrows in a document and made the line > > thickness 4 point. > > > > On screnn they looked nice and chunky, but when printed out (Post > > script) they were very thin. > > > > So, I made them 8 point - but they still printed thin. > > > > In the end I gave up. > > > > I'm sure this must have come up before, but what is the answer? > > > > (RISC OS 4 in case that has anything to do with it) > I do not have RO4 yet but what you describe looks very much like the > 'line thickness' problems of RO created PDF files. Do you have a PDF > creation step in the process? Or has RO4 changed something in the PS > driver that does something alike? > Let us hope it is something trivial as otherwise this problem increases > with RO4. Having a bit more time this afternoon, I did a few experiments. I created a Draw file of five lines of varying thicknesses, from .25 to 8 point. I printed it from Draw to both PS2 laser and Epson 740 colour. Both printed OK. Imported file into Ovation Pro and printed to PS2 - again OK. Scaled down draw file in OP and printed to OP - again OK. So, it seems the problem doesn't exist in RISC OS 4 - but I did have a problem the other day. Hmm, the only difference was I was adding the lines created in Draw to an old existing document. It shouldn't make any difference, but the problem outlined above /did/ happen. Anyway, panic over - it's fine now. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:02:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104599 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937819849:20:17563:18; Mon, 20 Sep 99 09:30:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016181; 20 Sep 99 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:50:25 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14590 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:50:23 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA23265 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:50:13 +0200 (METDST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:58:11 +0200 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Contents Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199909191134.MAA11875@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:40:01 +0100 > From: "D.A.Symes" > Subject: Contents Applet > > Okay... I give up. I've wasted tooooo much time on this thing. I did give it a try, never used content before, so if it works with me it should work with you. One problem I encountered was pressing only OK when set the Edit-Styles will not save the state, so it will easily reset. Better press SAVE and OK. I made a doc with styles H1 and H2 on some pages of the doc made a contents1 and contents2 style (not case sensitive) then edit styles and set H1 and H2 on style 1 and 2 and press SAVE and OK then I set the cursor at the place I want the contents and press Set Contents Bookmark and Do Contents; a contents generates > > Does this thing actually work? > Has anybody in this universe ever managed to create a Contents list from > within Ovation Pro.... It's so damn easy in Publisher. > it does with me > Some advice would be appreciated. Edit Styles -> SAVE and OK Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:02:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104603 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937830214:20:17805:26; Mon, 20 Sep 99 12:23:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126231; 20 Sep 99 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14964 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:35 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14959 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:33 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FIC00B3CWW20N@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:50:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:52:34 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: printing wierd format In-reply-to: <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Roger Morris wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > A folded A4 with the fold on top. I hope you get the picture. > > > Make new document Is this what you want? Not exactly, Thanks all who have replied, basicly everyone said that I needed to make a new document which i turn 90degrees and import all text and pictures to there. Since i've got a really complicated document i'm not going to do it that way. I'll just print it and do it the old fashioned cut'n paste way. An idea maybe for a new version: Being able to rotate pages /with all/ content, master and local frames @ once. grt -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:03:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104609 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:03:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937844844:20:10980:19; Mon, 20 Sep 99 16:27:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011253; 20 Sep 99 16:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15577 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:01:37 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk (elslonexc001.epress.co.uk [194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15572 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:01:35 +0100 Received: by elslonexc001.epress.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:00:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: TransFSI Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:52:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: "D.A.Symes" > The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... > Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an > error message. > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > Followed by some post mortem stuff. One thought from someone without RO4 (yet) - is ImageFS interfering? Having 2 things trying to do the same job might be a problem... John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:03:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104616 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:03:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937855488:20:22623:17; Mon, 20 Sep 99 19:24:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022575; 20 Sep 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16215 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:41:17 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16210 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:41:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 111 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 18:25:08 -0000 Received: from userd044.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.109.247) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 18:25:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:57:02 +0100 Subject: Re: TransFSI Message-ID: <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "D.A.Symes" > > The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... > > Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an > > error message. > > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > > Followed by some post mortem stuff. > One thought from someone without RO4 (yet) - is ImageFS interfering? > Having 2 things trying to do the same job might be a problem... > John Good thought John, but I've been there... With or without ImageFS being seen the problem remains. Even dug out an old backup copy of OV Pro Filters and tried them... exactly same error message. Installed a new copy of 2.46 same problem... :-( I'm stumped... and this is a nuisance... means I've got to manually convert everything first. Cheers Dave S The full message as follows: "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) Post Mortem requested. Arg: 0x0000b470 46192 -> [0x0000008c 0x02e036b0 0x000012ad 0x00000000] 8840 in function ReceiveTranslate 8f98 in function WimpMain 89bc in function main 39906a4 in unknown procedure 80d4 in anonymous function That's it... Ps: Anyone know a way of capturing a postmortem message so that it doesn't have to be written in by hand. (No... Paint's Snapshot will not do it, so please don't bother suggesting that one.) Cheers D. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:03:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104620 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937863566:20:28338:19; Mon, 20 Sep 99 21:39:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129997; 20 Sep 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16678 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:23:55 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16673 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:23:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 5946 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 20:24:11 -0000 Received: from userbp08.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.146.3) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 20:24:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:19:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Contents Applet Message-ID: <4944ac5b1cdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <199909191134.MAA11875@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave S wrote about not being able to get the Ov Pro applet Contents to work. In article , m.m.ottens wrote: [Snip all my stuff about not getting Contents Applet to work. > it does with me > > Some advice would be appreciated. > Edit Styles -> SAVE and OK > Maarten Thank you... that did the trick... I was clicking the Ok button but not Save... just tried that on a Doc and Save... It created a Contents. Thanks Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104629 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937905124:20:02733:19; Tue, 21 Sep 99 09:12:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104780; 21 Sep 99 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:35:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17687 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:35:14 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11TLO2-000OGV-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:34:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:19:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Message-ID: <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article