From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:54:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103000 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:54:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935866431:20:12447:17; Sat, 28 Aug 99 18:53:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102697; 28 Aug 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04543 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:36 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04538 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:34 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-99.access.ch [195.112.70.99]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20489 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:38:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:27:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 28 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >>in answer to Tony van der Hoff's mailing<< > >I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you > >are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. > >I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) > >so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, > >or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > > Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software > manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case > of me remembering things. > > I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take > more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the > hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > > Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively > been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. > (in other words I think I fixed your bug). > > With luck things should start to move forward again soon. I do believe that one should understand one major point: David did not shy away to take over the future of OvPro. One must admire his courage. Because what he actually did was not only taking over the full responsability for the further programming of OvPro, but also he accepted the challenge of masterminding the creation of a possible enhanced version, *and* has accepted the vast administrative burden of future distribution. To get things rolling on the new rails does need some time. Allow me to suggest that we leave David to his main task and do not try to burden him with trivial extra enhancements. Someone has already stated to enhance his (= the someone) original "Hint & Tips" files, maybe someone else has other ideas. I do have one and would be very grateful if someone would pick up this glove. Is someone willing to check all applets and send me an overview of the fkeys and/or other key-presses that are used by these applets? There are conflicting situations. And it spares me a lot of time. Please do let me know! Via direct email to me please so we do not overload the OP mailing list. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103007 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935920181:20:14924:22; Sun, 29 Aug 99 09:49:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116711; 29 Aug 99 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06050 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:34:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06045 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:34:01 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1IJ-000LRU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >>are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >>I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >>so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >>or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > >Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software >manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case >of me remembering things. > I do hope your memory is significantly better than mine, otherwise we're in for a lean time ;-) >I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take >more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the >hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > Yep, quite right, although in the longer term you'll probably need some sort of list of this kind. Is there anything I can realistically do to help? I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does everyone out there think of such an idea? >Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >(in other words I think I fixed your bug). > I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense of it. I'm sure you're not saying that you've fixed all bugs and infelicities that have been reported to you ? My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is (was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. It would plainly be daft and non-profitable to inundate you with reports of problems which you have either already fixed, are fixing, are unable to fix, or consider not worthwhile. >With luck things should start to move forward again soon. > Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. Best wishes, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103012 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935927804:20:14605:20; Sun, 29 Aug 99 11:56:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129712; 29 Aug 99 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06455 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:57 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06450 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:55 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-103.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.103]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21873 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:28:19 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:27:30 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Labels feature Message-ID: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all, This is an idea for a specific new feature which could be acheived by slight altering of existing ones: I have a recurrent need to print labels (i.e. a sheet of all the same labels) or business cards etc... The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label sheets. I know I can currently define a whole label sheet as a master page, I frequently do. The reason I want to define just one label is that I have a library of ArtWorks images that I use for labels which sometimes get updated. I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. Anyone got a list for this one? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103014 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935867511:10:00539:22; Sat, 28 Aug 99 19:11:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101813; 28 Aug 99 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:32 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04532 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:30 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-99.access.ch [195.112.70.99]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20492 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:38:12 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:31:19 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony, On Fri 27 Aug, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > David, > > I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you > are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. > There are a number of things that I and others have reported, but > haven't (yet) made it into the release versions. > > I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) > so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, > or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > > Note that I am not asking *when* they will be attended to, that would be > unreasonable. > > Is this possible/practical? Just watch the release notes ;-))) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103019 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935921727:10:23459:19; Sun, 29 Aug 99 10:15:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124433; 29 Aug 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06043 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:32:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06038 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:32:00 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1IH-000Acl-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:56:16 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >On Sat 28 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >>>in answer to Tony van der Hoff's mailing<< > > >I do believe that one should understand one major point: > > David did not shy away to take over the future of OvPro. One must >admire his courage. Because what he actually did was not only taking >over the full responsability for the further programming of OvPro, but >also he accepted the challenge of masterminding the creation of a >possible enhanced version, *and* has accepted the vast administrative >burden of future distribution. > >To get things rolling on the new rails does need some time. > >Allow me to suggest that we leave David to his main task and do not try >to burden him with trivial extra enhancements. Someone has already >stated to enhance his (= the someone) original "Hint & Tips" files, >maybe someone else has other ideas. That's all a bit patronising, isn't it, John? (I'll ignore your second response, which was presumably playful, judging by the smiles). We, the long-standing subscribers to this list, all know only too well what David has done to support this application, but let's not start a new religion over it. We are also well aware of what you and others have publicly contributed, and continue to do. Many more have made contributions which maybe have not been so public. All are implicitly acknowledged. My request was clearly couched in terms of *if* David has a list, *then* would it be practical to post it? As there is no list, then clearly the second question is void. It is, IMHO, not practical for any third party to generate such a list, as the transfer of information would be as much work for David as generating it in the first place. I'm unsure as to what you regard as 'trivial extra enhancements', but I am certain that David is quite capable of judging for himself what is, or isn't trivial. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103022 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935938130:20:03546:21; Sun, 29 Aug 99 14:48:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003538; 29 Aug 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06927 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:21:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06922 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:21:22 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L5oI-0004Cb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >>are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >>I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >>so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >>or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > >Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software >manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case >of me remembering things. > I do hope your memory is significantly better than mine, otherwise we're in for a lean time ;-) >I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take >more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the >hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > Yep, quite right, although in the longer term you'll probably need some sort of list of this kind. Is there anything I can realistically do to help? I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does everyone out there think of such an idea? >Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >(in other words I think I fixed your bug). > I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense of it. I'm sure you're not saying that you've fixed all bugs and infelicities that have been reported to you ? My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is (was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. It would plainly be daft and non-profitable to inundate you with reports of problems which you have either already fixed, are fixing, are unable to fix, or consider not worthwhile. >With luck things should start to move forward again soon. > Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. Best wishes, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103023 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935929302:10:06883:16; Sun, 29 Aug 99 12:21:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1111845; 29 Aug 99 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06544 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:54:09 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06539 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:54:08 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.81]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4CF for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:52:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:53:34 +0100 Subject: Labels feature Message-ID: <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), > to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. > Anyone got a list for this one? What about defining a whole label sheet, using the Duplicate function? You'll have to find out the exact X and Y offsets once. When you are about to change the original frame, just delete all others first and duplicate them again afterwards. (That's how I do this, until now. But perhaps there is a better solution?) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103037 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936005656:10:15052:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:34:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014911; 30 Aug 99 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08737 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08727 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:09 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LNYl-000KdQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:13:18 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Applet identifier To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: !HTMLinks !Quote !Imposit I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103039 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936005720:10:15461:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:35:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119738; 30 Aug 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08739 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08732 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:10 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LNYn-000KdQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:09:09 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Lack of identity To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103041 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936006093:10:18586:17; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:41:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018255; 30 Aug 99 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08839 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:26 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08834 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:24 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LNfm-0000Ke-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:18 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23337 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:22:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:23:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Lack of identity Message-ID: <49399fb7aaC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my > Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed > that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. > Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! This is one of the longest running Marcel FAQs. It is the way Marcel does things. Since you are the sender, when it displays the listing, it helpfully tells you the destination of the mail rather than who sent it (you). The important thing to remember is that *everyone* else on the maillist list sees the From: normally. This has confused many, many users of Marcel (including myself!). Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103046 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:57:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936023903:10:15902:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 14:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015393; 30 Aug 99 14:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09456 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:33 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09451 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:29 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p13-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.141]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id CAA24415 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:16 +1200 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:04 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Lack of identity To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id PAB09456 Hi Peter It happens to us all, What I send shows in my Mailbox with 'Ovation Pro Support' and what everone else sends shows who sent it.. ( Your name was in the From: column of the Mail I am replying to) Isn't it nice that we can see mail from ourselves with the list we sent it to, saves time reading it as I know I sent it ;-) =20 On Mon 30 Aug, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all >=20 > Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my > Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed t= hat > information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. >=20 > Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103054 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936095421:10:15948:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 10:30:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123992; 31 Aug 99 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11628 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:37 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11623 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:35 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Lkvf-0001jI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:15 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02516 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:12:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:36 +0100 Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > 'oi all > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is > anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? Surely, there already is a "TransRTF" importer - it is in the filters directory on my machine - I assume it came with OvPro itself. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103056 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936116535:10:22374:23; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:22:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122216; 31 Aug 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12910 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12905 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:16 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LqL6-00060N-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:00:52 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07381 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:59:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:00:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <493a47e062C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Toby Bryans wrote: > Is there an easier way of doing this (I have a tendancy to miss the > obvious ;-), is there a reason why the Ovation Pro text importer > ignores page break control characters, and is there a way of putting > breaks in a text file in another way? OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103057 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936116985:10:28653:33; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107283; 31 Aug 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13030 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:08 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13025 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:07 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.151]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA405A for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:12:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:12:03 +0100 Subject: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <493a4e72cddelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > "Easy" I thought. So, using Zap's search facilities, I looked for > 2+ new lines in sequence, and replaced them with a CTRL-P character, > thinking that Ovation would import it and put these "page"-breaks > in. However, this didn't work, Ovation seemingly ignoring these > control characters. I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. Is this a solution to your problem? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103059 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936120014:10:06226:22; Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:20:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115554; 31 Aug 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13128 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:16 +0100 Received: from relay5.ftech.net (littleblue.ftech.net [195.200.12.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13123 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:14 +0100 Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=prunus.localnet) by relay5.ftech.net with smtp (Exim 2.12ftechp2 #1) id 11Lr5q-0002zS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:49:11 +0100 From: Toby Bryans Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:50:12 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.22 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 31 Aug, Paul Sprangers wrote: > I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. > It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. > Is this a solution to your problem? On Tue, 31 Aug, Chris Johnson wrote: > OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new > page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. Yes, many thanks for that, both equally excellent solutions. -- Project Manager, Navaho Internet Ltd http://www.navaho.co.uk/ CTO, Cygnet Computer Solutions Ltd & Chairman, Empire Retailing Ltd Technical Support, an4 group Ltd 'Phone: +44 (0)7970 422053 http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~elesoc/ Fax: +44 (0)7970 127058 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103062 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936089117:20:29546:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 08:45:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029337; 31 Aug 99 8:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11193 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:26:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11188 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:26:07 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.68.202] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11LjEh-0002xg-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:08 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet identifier Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup > I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: > > !HTMLinks > !Quote > !Imposit > > I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would > it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? Off the top of my head, do you have at least v2.49 of OvationPro? You need this version (I think) due to some of the features in use in HTMLinks. I would guess that this is the reason for errors reported in the other applets as well. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103063 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936089998:20:12755:21; Tue, 31 Aug 99 08:59:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105249; 31 Aug 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11269 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:43:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11264 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:43:16 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LjVI-000IPw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:54 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Identity crisis To: Gerald L Fitton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro P Hutton writes: Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. I had this problem which I solved (I hope) by the following dodge. I send the email to Gerald L Fitton instead of to Ovation Pro Support Give it a try and see what happens. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103064 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936092878:20:26308:86; Tue, 31 Aug 99 09:47:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026902; 31 Aug 99 9:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11483 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:44 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11478 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:42 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHB0035NP2N2A@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:30:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:32:57 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: RTF import To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro 'oi all Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? It would be very usefull for importing wordfiles with styles from EW/TW. grt. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103068 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936106661:20:14903:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:37:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014055; 31 Aug 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12075 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:06 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12070 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:05 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LnjL-0005tf-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:13:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:12:17 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Identity To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In this I have left off the Gerald L Fitton bit so that the email is addressed to: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103069 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936107863:20:02464:45; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:57:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100379; 31 Aug 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12164 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:41:25 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12159 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:41:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 -0000 Received: from user1217.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.217) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:39:07 +0100 Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, > is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? It's already got !TransRTF which came with it. Look in your Filters folder or wherever you put all your loaders. Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all went quiet. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103070 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936109589:20:28246:33; Tue, 31 Aug 99 14:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106214; 31 Aug 99 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12253 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12248 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:48 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LocE-000DhQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:57 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: RTF import References: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson writes >In article , Steven M. Ottens > wrote: > >> Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the >> TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering >> if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, >> is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? > >It's already got !TransRTF which came with it. Look in your Filters >folder or wherever you put all your loaders. > >Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... > >I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all >went quiet. > The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug guise. We all know what happened to that. I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103071 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936110617:20:13829:27; Tue, 31 Aug 99 14:43:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114646; 31 Aug 99 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:26:13 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12342 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:26:11 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHC00GO12R2OA@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:25:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:28:18 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: RTF import In-reply-to: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1bf3443a49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > 'oi all > > > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is > > anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? > > Surely, there already is a "TransRTF" importer - it is in the filters > directory on my machine - I assume it came with OvPro itself. > Oh sorry, didn't look so close @ home ;-( grt. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103072 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936115400:20:00745:22; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:03:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000660; 31 Aug 99 16:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12786 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:16 +0100 Received: from relay3.ftech.net (hades.ftech.net [212.32.16.136]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12781 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:14 +0100 Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=prunus.localnet) by relay3.ftech.net with smtp (Exim 2.05ftechp2 #1) id 11Lpyo-0004WM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:51 +0100 From: Toby Bryans Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:40 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Page breaks in text files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.22 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was given an interesting task to perform by my mother this weekend, to take a file of ~250 OCRd addresses and put them into a page with frames to match a sheet of stickers. "Easy" I thought. So, using Zap's search facilities, I looked for 2+ new lines in sequence, and replaced them with a CTRL-P character, thinking that Ovation would import it and put these "page"-breaks in. However, this didn't work, Ovation seemingly ignoring these control characters. In the end, I had to write a script in Ovation Pro which went through the whole document looking for a pound character (suitable unique in addresses) and replacing it with a newline and page break. Is there an easier way of doing this (I have a tendancy to miss the obvious ;-), is there a reason why the Ovation Pro text importer ignores page break control characters, and is there a way of putting breaks in a text file in another way? Many thanks, Toby Bryans -- Project Manager, Navaho Internet Ltd http://www.navaho.co.uk/ CTO, Cygnet Computer Solutions Ltd & Chairman, Empire Retailing Ltd Technical Support, an4 group Ltd 'Phone: +44 (0)7970 422053 http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~elesoc/ Fax: +44 (0)7970 127058 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 22:00:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103074 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936120672:20:14884:24; Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115423; 31 Aug 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13259 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:15:39 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13251 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:15:30 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-85.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.85]) by out5.ibm.net (/) with SMTP id RAA26908 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:14:59 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:10:54 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB13259 On Tue 31 Aug, Toby Bryans wrote: > I was given an interesting task to perform by my mother this weekend, > to take a file of ~250 OCRd addresses and put them into a page with > frames to match a sheet of stickers. 1. You can read it up in the ReadMe file (found together with NewFuncts in the OPro NewDoc directory. Search under Auto-linking. 2. Take a look at this: { !CSVedit (C) Bernard Veasey 1997 version 0.02 >>> S H A R E W A R E <<< Email: bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey Description ----------- The purpose of this program is to edit CSV files by: * editing the 'end of record' separator. * editing the 'end of field' separator. * switching fields on/off. * CSV on/off. * switching CSV headings on/off. and re-save the data in a custom file with the amended details. } >=20 > "Easy" I thought. and superbly easy it is and it saves you reading the ReadMe ;-) --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 22:00:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103075 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 22:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936128240:20:16469:17; Tue, 31 Aug 99 19:37:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016427; 31 Aug 99 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13735 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:59 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13730 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:57 +0100 Received: from modem-102.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.68.102] helo=celtania) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LtSK-0000wC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:11:05 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. > > It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. > > Is this a solution to your problem? > > On Tue, 31 Aug, Chris Johnson wrote: > > OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new > > page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. > > Yes, many thanks for that, both equally excellent solutions. > Yes, but to import the FormFeed character (x0C) a line in both !Boot & !Run of TransDDF must be commented out, otherwise TransDDF eats the FFs. Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir If active this line causes all text files to be loaded via TransDDF and then x0C characters get stripped (The line has to be active in order to use the Impulse module - see MailMerge notes - anyone know why?). If the line is commented out, text files are loaded with x0C chars intact. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 02:00:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103096 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936139101:20:15417:29; Tue, 31 Aug 99 22:38:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108753; 31 Aug 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:19:25 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14066 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:19:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 11903 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10798 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from 57.hiper04.access.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.116.57) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 21:57:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:55:56 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: RTF import To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 31 Aug, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson > writes > > > >Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... > > > >I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all > >went quiet. > > > The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug > guise. We all know what happened to that. > > I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements > changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish > documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. > But Postscript is not READABLE on a PC with common software. Yes Ghostscript or something will work but people who understand it will be quite happy re-formatting a plain text file. Postscript will print from a pc to a PS printer, but the reason one wants to send a file is so that it can be editted. > RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and > doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. > I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and > reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. > This may be so, but to transfer a file and give some idea of relative heading weight etc RTF is the nearest to a generic format, unless you prefer HTML. I would use an RTF export filter if it was available to send documents created in OPro to friends overseas as email attachments so they get somewhere near original formatting. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 15:38:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103130 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 15:38:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193558:20:08145:17; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004869; 1 Sep 99 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15641 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15636 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA70-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:30:59 GMT Message-Id: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a >master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label >sheets. Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift relative to the page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:52:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103136 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936203091:20:14411:46; Wed, 01 Sep 99 16:24:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101571; 1 Sep 99 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16116 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:15 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk ([194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16111 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:14 +0100 Received: by elslonexc001.epress.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:00:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Re: RTF import/export Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements > changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish > documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. > > RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and > doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. > I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and > reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. As someone else pointed out, it isn't generally possible to load PS into a text editor/word processor. It's OK for taking documents for someone to read, but not for them to edit or work on further. I could really use an RTF export filter that maintained effects (bold, italic, super/subscript etc.) and style names. I don't care about page formatting. If no-one out there has one, I'll either have to resort to writing one myself from scratch (not terribly likely) or resign myself to using MS Word for styling documents for work. For those who have partially working versions of RTF exporters, I'm willing to try and help finish them off (to at least the standard mentioned above) if you're willing to let me see them. Please. John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:53:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103138 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:53:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193143:10:12339:26; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:39:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116639; 1 Sep 99 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15634 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15627 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA6y-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:26:33 GMT Message-Id: <103101@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug >guise. We all know what happened to that. Well yes as before Rob Clark, lost somewhere. >RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and >doesn't easily map from Ovation. I'd agree with those sentiments, and MS have more or less announced the demise of RTF. Lack of MS Word support or (great hope for the future) XML is a big problem. I want to have a serious look at this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:53:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103139 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:53:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193924:10:22313:21; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:52:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022137; 1 Sep 99 13:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15622 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA6v-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:08:04 GMT Message-Id: <103099@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Current "Features" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to >which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would >not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass >your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does >everyone out there think of such an idea? Well that would be fine. User feedback is very valuable. I do appreciate comments. I don't slavishly follow them, for one thing often what seems trivial isn't. And then there's the category of 'seemed like a good idea at the time' i.e. it might not look so good if it was done. It would be good to know just what improvements would be popular. In the current situation I'd happily have a top ten list of features and do them in order. >>Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >>been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >>(in other words I think I fixed your bug). >I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense >of it. ISTR you'd found a bug, which I had fixed, but you'd not have seen that fix because the version in question has not been released. >My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments >to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, >something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is >(was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for >the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. Well everything is for now at the mercy of the situation. The problems with the printer drivers or other OS issues are the responsibility of ROSL - but as with Acorn they don't have limitless resources. As to the rest whatever I do gets done, and if I don't do it, then it doesn't. I've said what the initial priorities are, once I've completed those I'll be open to other suggestions. >>With luck things should start to move forward again soon. >Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was >under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. I'd guess the version with large image support (2.54) will appear within the next couple of weeks. Referenced and proxy images seem to be a nice addition and work OK. After that I will complete the EPS applet, allowing EPS files to be rendered, and also supporting DCS etc. I have to say "with luck", because I can't predict the future, obviously if I win the lottery next week there might be some delay 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 19:42:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103157 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 19:42:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936209416:10:10427:25; Wed, 01 Sep 99 18:10:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010237; 1 Sep 99 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16564 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16559 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:34 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.118) [62.188.146.118] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MEa2-0005eA-00; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:53:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:52:11 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am pretty sure the answer to this is "no" but I thought I'd ask. Is there any way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? By the nature of the sort of files I OCR a lot of the technical terms are the same as in my OPro documents, and it is a bit of a bother to have to put them into the Sleuth dictionaries having already put them into the OPro ones. The dictionaries seem to be in an entirely different format, which is why I think the answer is probably "no". TIA and best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 21:30:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103163 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936216431:10:02862:17; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:07:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105126; 1 Sep 99 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16842 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:52:02 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16837 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:52:00 +0100 From: Received: from modem-55.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.55] helo=beeston12) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MGPh-00061f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:51:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:53:42 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, In message <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a > >ter page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on > >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for > >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label > >sheets. > > Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap > between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift > relative to the page. > > > > > David Pilling > I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of editing of those formats. As John Skingley has just ceased trading (alas!) it has to be added that we have not eyet received his info about where to find future support for his system, but it is certainly superb. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 21:30:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103164 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:30:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936216734:10:06440:46; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:12:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006368; 1 Sep 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16888 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:56:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16883 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:56:56 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MGUT-0002Og-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:56:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:36:14 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103099@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David [snip] > I'd guess the version with large image support (2.54) will appear within the > next couple of weeks. > > Referenced and proxy images seem to be a nice addition and work OK. > > After that I will complete the EPS applet, allowing EPS files to be > rendered, and also supporting DCS etc. [snip] This is excellent news! Thank you! Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 22:06:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103168 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:06:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936218817:20:22730:19; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:46:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120480; 1 Sep 99 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17001 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16996 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MH28-000Idp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:31:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 19:45:25 GMT Message-Id: <103158@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? No... Potentially this could turn into a rant about why on earth Beebug saw fit to get two people to write two different dictionary systems. However I won't do that, OPro will let you menu over the Edit dictionary window and export a dictionary as a text file, and it will let you dump a similar text file into that window. So if you can't share dictionaries the next best thing would be a rapid way of importing words into Sleuth. I leave it to a sleuth to tell us if there is one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 22:48:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103173 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936221179:20:22625:50; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:26:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022538; 1 Sep 99 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17181 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:07:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17176 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:07:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MHas-000Mdp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:06:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:36:10 GMT Message-Id: <103165@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is >without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's >Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the >various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of >editing of those formats. You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at Impact, I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which OPro doesn't. Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of the effects of that twiddling. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103230 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936298488:10:28132:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 18:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028038; 2 Sep 99 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19304 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:37:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MbjP-000Nnz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:48:35 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: Applet identifier To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Benji Yes- I have version 2.52. I got round the problem by reinstalling the applets affected and (touch wood) it seems OK for the mo. Thanks for the reply. On Tue 31 Aug, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup > > I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: > > > > !HTMLinks > > !Quote > > !Imposit > > > > I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would > > it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? > > > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? > Off the top of my head, do you have at least v2.49 of OvationPro? You > need this version (I think) due to some of the features in use in > HTMLinks. I would guess that this is the reason for errors reported in > the other applets as well. > > benji > -- > _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ > | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ > | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ > | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ > |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| > t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103232 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936299293:10:08763:17; Thu, 02 Sep 99 19:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100309; 2 Sep 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19316 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19311 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:04 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MbjS-000Nnz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:26:10 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Try this To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Is it just me? Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a continuous dotted line. Do you: a. Get a constantly growing line? b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... b. If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my keyboard configuration! Comments? Explanations? Solutions? Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it in 2.51 too) -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103233 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936300382:20:17525:58; Thu, 02 Sep 99 19:26:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017594; 2 Sep 99 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19449 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:11:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19444 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:11:21 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11McFi-0000vK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:06:36 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. To: OvationPro List In-Reply-To: <103158@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 01 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? > > No... > > Potentially this could turn into a rant about why on earth Beebug > saw fit to get two people to write two different dictionary systems. > > However I won't do that, OPro will let you menu over the Edit dictionary > window and export a dictionary as a text file, and it will let you dump > a similar text file into that window. So if you can't share dictionaries > the next best thing would be a rapid way of importing words into Sleuth. > > I leave it to a sleuth to tell us if there is one. > > > > > David Pilling The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' window and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably those ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. Incidentally, the userdict file is simply a plain text file, as exported by OPro, but with a Data file type. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:45:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103238 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:45:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936302958:10:26600:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 20:09:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026468; 2 Sep 99 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19558 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:49:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.prserv.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19552 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:48:46 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-8.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.8]) by out1.ibm.net (/) with SMTP id TAA24328 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:27 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:25:26 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103165@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB19558 On Wed 01 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at Impact, > I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which OPro doesn't. >=20 > Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of the > effects of that twiddling. I'm pleased you like that. In an otherwise WISy system, it would be great to have a graphical representation of this somewhat opaque area of thumbnails and imposition. Final output would come to life with the page size, printer margin and trial layout pouring out in an animated window. What a selling point. Going back in history, I depended heavily on a little Basic prog that rolled out greeked pages in the command windows of the View programs. InterWord's own preview was more sophisticated, but both saved in equal measure much time and paper. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 22:32:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103258 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936307616:10:25990:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:26:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108429; 2 Sep 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19949 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19944 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Me8V-000DPR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:11:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:06:25 GMT Message-Id: <103247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a >continuous dotted line. >Do you: >a. Get a constantly growing line? >b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple >of seconds after you have released the key? (a) OPro has a feature which the others probably don't. It buffers characters, rather than updating whats on screen after each key stroke. This was important in the old days when machines were a lot slower. However that is a loophole through which something else could cause problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 22:33:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103259 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:33:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936307624:10:26238:17; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:27:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026181; 2 Sep 99 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19942 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:03 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19937 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Me8S-000DPR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:11:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:04:38 GMT Message-Id: <103245@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' window >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably those >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 23:07:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103262 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 23:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936308015:10:01048:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:33:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118272; 2 Sep 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20039 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:18:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20034 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:18:37 +0100 Received: from (193.149.68.240) [193.149.68.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MeEq-00030q-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:17:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:16:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (20:06:36 +0100), stephen@spcap.demon.co.uk wrote: > >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >window and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. >Presumably those ignored are already present in Sleuth's main >dictionary. > >Incidentally, the userdict file is simply a plain text file, as >exported by OPro, but with a Data file type. > Thanks for this hint; I will try it when (if?) I have time. This week is a bit silly :-) Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 3 01:49:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103266 for opro ; Fri, 03 Sep 99 01:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936312512:20:24044:22; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:48:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113349; 2 Sep 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20335 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:33:39 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20330 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:33:36 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user142.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.74]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14282 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:32:42 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:31:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: <493b73527fmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Is it just me? Could be... ;-) > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. Do you: a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a > couple of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... a. Using a RISCPC 700 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103365 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936629280:10:20796:26; Mon, 06 Sep 99 14:48:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020407; 6 Sep 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22136 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:12:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22131 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:12:48 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.74) [62.188.134.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mv0D-0002vG-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:11:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:11:26 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' > window > >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably > those > >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. > > > Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two > programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. > David Pilling > I have just tried to transfer from OPro to Sleuth, Sleuth will take User Dic but not the MainDic. Cheers Bryan S. Kirk -- _____________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103369 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936630469:10:07526:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:07:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006746; 6 Sep 99 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00256 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:44 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00197 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03650 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:23:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11N0my-0002TY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:22:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 99 22:17:16 GMT Message-Id: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: directory listing program? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Asking a question for a change... Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103370 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936631265:10:19068:20; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110217; 6 Sep 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00307 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:57 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00259 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:42 +0100 From: Received: from ambience.com.au (townsville.ambience.com.au [203.46.3.71]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03026 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:55 GMT Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 880839 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:55 +1000 Subject: Bleed Problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:55 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103247@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OP 2.52 I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices from the default 8505 to 17010 to get 6mm? nothing changes. The fit option however changes the percentage when bleed is ticked but printing an A4 page with a graphic covering the whole page to fit A4 or even an A5 page to centred on A4 makes no difference. I'm printing with the Level 2 Postscript Driver (Printers 1.53) - the Printing Bureau that I sent the PS file to said they couldn't seen the trim marks either. When I print to a HP Laser 4MP everything seems fine except for the lack of a bleed?? Thanks, Paul Paul Herring The Kooralbyn International School www.tkis.com.au email: pherring@tkis.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103371 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936632397:10:04782:27; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:39:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004697; 6 Sep 99 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00221 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:37 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00170 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03959 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.93) [193.149.75.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mwkz-0004zO-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:04:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:02:03 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >>The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >window >>and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably >those >>ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. > > >Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two >programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. > > Seemed to work for me, but I haven't Sleuthed anything with the technical words in yet. WMT, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103373 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936633718:10:22301:22; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111488; 6 Sep 99 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00300 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:54 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00261 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:43 +0100 Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03008 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:02 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.214] (helo=mail10.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11N0D4-0002ei-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:45:22 +0100 Received: from modem-104.visine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.104] helo=celtania) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MzRr-0001rX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:56:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:55:59 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... a. also using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 > -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103374 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936634751:10:05044:25; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005982; 6 Sep 99 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00251 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:41 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00188 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:29 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03737 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:38:27 GMT Received: from tnt-8-175 (tnt-8-175.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.175]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4567E7B076 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:25:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:24:05 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: <008de03b49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? > > My computer voted..... b. > > If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my > keyboard configuration! > > Comments? Explanations? Solutions? > > Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it > in 2.51 too) > No!! My Computer also voted ........ a Using a Non-SA RiscPC 700, 32Mb memory and 2.52 I also find that using macros from !TextAid also input very slowly. Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barn