From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:54:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103000 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:54:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935866431:20:12447:17; Sat, 28 Aug 99 18:53:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102697; 28 Aug 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04543 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:36 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04538 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:34 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-99.access.ch [195.112.70.99]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20489 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:38:11 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:27:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 28 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >>in answer to Tony van der Hoff's mailing<< > >I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you > >are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. > >I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) > >so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, > >or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > > Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software > manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case > of me remembering things. > > I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take > more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the > hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > > Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively > been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. > (in other words I think I fixed your bug). > > With luck things should start to move forward again soon. I do believe that one should understand one major point: David did not shy away to take over the future of OvPro. One must admire his courage. Because what he actually did was not only taking over the full responsability for the further programming of OvPro, but also he accepted the challenge of masterminding the creation of a possible enhanced version, *and* has accepted the vast administrative burden of future distribution. To get things rolling on the new rails does need some time. Allow me to suggest that we leave David to his main task and do not try to burden him with trivial extra enhancements. Someone has already stated to enhance his (= the someone) original "Hint & Tips" files, maybe someone else has other ideas. I do have one and would be very grateful if someone would pick up this glove. Is someone willing to check all applets and send me an overview of the fkeys and/or other key-presses that are used by these applets? There are conflicting situations. And it spares me a lot of time. Please do let me know! Via direct email to me please so we do not overload the OP mailing list. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103007 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935920181:20:14924:22; Sun, 29 Aug 99 09:49:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116711; 29 Aug 99 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06050 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:34:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06045 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:34:01 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1IJ-000LRU-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:30:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >>are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >>I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >>so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >>or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > >Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software >manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case >of me remembering things. > I do hope your memory is significantly better than mine, otherwise we're in for a lean time ;-) >I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take >more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the >hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > Yep, quite right, although in the longer term you'll probably need some sort of list of this kind. Is there anything I can realistically do to help? I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does everyone out there think of such an idea? >Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >(in other words I think I fixed your bug). > I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense of it. I'm sure you're not saying that you've fixed all bugs and infelicities that have been reported to you ? My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is (was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. It would plainly be daft and non-profitable to inundate you with reports of problems which you have either already fixed, are fixing, are unable to fix, or consider not worthwhile. >With luck things should start to move forward again soon. > Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. Best wishes, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103012 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935927804:20:14605:20; Sun, 29 Aug 99 11:56:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129712; 29 Aug 99 11:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06455 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:57 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06450 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:29:55 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-103.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.103]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA21873 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:28:19 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:27:30 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Labels feature Message-ID: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all, This is an idea for a specific new feature which could be acheived by slight altering of existing ones: I have a recurrent need to print labels (i.e. a sheet of all the same labels) or business cards etc... The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label sheets. I know I can currently define a whole label sheet as a master page, I frequently do. The reason I want to define just one label is that I have a library of ArtWorks images that I use for labels which sometimes get updated. I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. Anyone got a list for this one? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:55:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103014 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:55:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935867511:10:00539:22; Sat, 28 Aug 99 19:11:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101813; 28 Aug 99 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04537 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:32 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04532 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:39:30 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-99.access.ch [195.112.70.99]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA20492 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:38:12 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:31:19 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony, On Fri 27 Aug, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > David, > > I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you > are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. > There are a number of things that I and others have reported, but > haven't (yet) made it into the release versions. > > I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) > so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, > or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > > Note that I am not asking *when* they will be attended to, that would be > unreasonable. > > Is this possible/practical? Just watch the release notes ;-))) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103019 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935921727:10:23459:19; Sun, 29 Aug 99 10:15:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124433; 29 Aug 99 10:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA06043 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:32:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06038 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:32:00 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1IH-000Acl-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 09:56:16 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >On Sat 28 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >>>in answer to Tony van der Hoff's mailing<< > > >I do believe that one should understand one major point: > > David did not shy away to take over the future of OvPro. One must >admire his courage. Because what he actually did was not only taking >over the full responsability for the further programming of OvPro, but >also he accepted the challenge of masterminding the creation of a >possible enhanced version, *and* has accepted the vast administrative >burden of future distribution. > >To get things rolling on the new rails does need some time. > >Allow me to suggest that we leave David to his main task and do not try >to burden him with trivial extra enhancements. Someone has already >stated to enhance his (= the someone) original "Hint & Tips" files, >maybe someone else has other ideas. That's all a bit patronising, isn't it, John? (I'll ignore your second response, which was presumably playful, judging by the smiles). We, the long-standing subscribers to this list, all know only too well what David has done to support this application, but let's not start a new religion over it. We are also well aware of what you and others have publicly contributed, and continue to do. Many more have made contributions which maybe have not been so public. All are implicitly acknowledged. My request was clearly couched in terms of *if* David has a list, *then* would it be practical to post it? As there is no list, then clearly the second question is void. It is, IMHO, not practical for any third party to generate such a list, as the transfer of information would be as much work for David as generating it in the first place. I'm unsure as to what you regard as 'trivial extra enhancements', but I am certain that David is quite capable of judging for himself what is, or isn't trivial. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103022 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935938130:20:03546:21; Sun, 29 Aug 99 14:48:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003538; 29 Aug 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06927 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:21:24 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06922 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:21:22 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L5oI-0004Cb-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:54 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:29:05 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Current "Features" References: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >>are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >>I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >>so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >>or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. > >Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software >manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case >of me remembering things. > I do hope your memory is significantly better than mine, otherwise we're in for a lean time ;-) >I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take >more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the >hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. > Yep, quite right, although in the longer term you'll probably need some sort of list of this kind. Is there anything I can realistically do to help? I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does everyone out there think of such an idea? >Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >(in other words I think I fixed your bug). > I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense of it. I'm sure you're not saying that you've fixed all bugs and infelicities that have been reported to you ? My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is (was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. It would plainly be daft and non-profitable to inundate you with reports of problems which you have either already fixed, are fixing, are unable to fix, or consider not worthwhile. >With luck things should start to move forward again soon. > Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. Best wishes, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103023 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935929302:10:06883:16; Sun, 29 Aug 99 12:21:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1111845; 29 Aug 99 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06544 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:54:09 +0100 Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06539 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:54:08 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.81]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA4CF for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:52:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:53:34 +0100 Subject: Labels feature Message-ID: <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <7365a33849%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), > to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. > Anyone got a list for this one? What about defining a whole label sheet, using the Duplicate function? You'll have to find out the exact X and Y offsets once. When you are about to change the original frame, just delete all others first and duplicate them again afterwards. (That's how I do this, until now. But perhaps there is a better solution?) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:56:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103037 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936005656:10:15052:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:34:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014911; 30 Aug 99 9:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08737 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08727 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:09 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LNYl-000KdQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:04 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:13:18 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Applet identifier To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: !HTMLinks !Quote !Imposit I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103039 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:56:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936005720:10:15461:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:35:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119738; 30 Aug 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08739 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:13 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08732 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:17:10 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LNYn-000KdQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:17:05 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:09:09 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Lack of identity To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103041 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:57:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936006093:10:18586:17; Mon, 30 Aug 99 09:41:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018255; 30 Aug 99 9:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA08839 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:26 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08834 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:24 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LNfm-0000Ke-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:24:18 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA23337 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:22:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro Support Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:23:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Lack of identity Message-ID: <49399fb7aaC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my > Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed > that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. > Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! This is one of the longest running Marcel FAQs. It is the way Marcel does things. Since you are the sender, when it displays the listing, it helpfully tells you the destination of the mail rather than who sent it (you). The important thing to remember is that *everyone* else on the maillist list sees the From: normally. This has confused many, many users of Marcel (including myself!). Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:57:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103046 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:57:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936023903:10:15902:16; Mon, 30 Aug 99 14:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015393; 30 Aug 99 14:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09456 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:33 +0100 Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09451 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 15:16:29 +0100 Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p13-max7.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.198.141]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id CAA24415 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:16 +1200 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:04 +1200 (GMT) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Lack of identity To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id PAB09456 Hi Peter It happens to us all, What I send shows in my Mailbox with 'Ovation Pro Support' and what everone else sends shows who sent it.. ( Your name was in the From: column of the Mail I am replying to) Isn't it nice that we can see mail from ourselves with the list we sent it to, saves time reading it as I know I sent it ;-) =20 On Mon 30 Aug, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all >=20 > Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my > Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed t= hat > information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. >=20 > Any light shed or medium sized summerhouse appreciated! >=20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... ICQ/UIN 27674131 Risc OS Foundation 00= 40 Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S.NZ http://www.head-injury.o= rg.nz My Personal: http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/reneinnz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103054 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936095421:10:15948:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 10:30:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123992; 31 Aug 99 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11628 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:37 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11623 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:35 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Lkvf-0001jI-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:14:15 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA02516 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:12:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:13:36 +0100 Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > 'oi all > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is > anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? Surely, there already is a "TransRTF" importer - it is in the filters directory on my machine - I assume it came with OvPro itself. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103056 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936116535:10:22374:23; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:22:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122216; 31 Aug 99 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA12910 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA12905 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:01:16 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LqL6-00060N-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:00:52 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA07381 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:59:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:00:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <493a47e062C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Toby Bryans wrote: > Is there an easier way of doing this (I have a tendancy to miss the > obvious ;-), is there a reason why the Ovation Pro text importer > ignores page break control characters, and is there a way of putting > breaks in a text file in another way? OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103057 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936116985:10:28653:33; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:29:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107283; 31 Aug 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13030 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:08 +0100 Received: from smtp02.wxs.nl (smtp02.wxs.nl [195.121.6.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13025 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:13:07 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.151]) by smtp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA405A for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:12:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:12:03 +0100 Subject: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <493a4e72cddelink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > "Easy" I thought. So, using Zap's search facilities, I looked for > 2+ new lines in sequence, and replaced them with a CTRL-P character, > thinking that Ovation would import it and put these "page"-breaks > in. However, this didn't work, Ovation seemingly ignoring these > control characters. I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. Is this a solution to your problem? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:58:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103059 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:58:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936120014:10:06226:22; Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:20:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115554; 31 Aug 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA13128 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:16 +0100 Received: from relay5.ftech.net (littleblue.ftech.net [195.200.12.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13123 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:51:14 +0100 Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=prunus.localnet) by relay5.ftech.net with smtp (Exim 2.12ftechp2 #1) id 11Lr5q-0002zS-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:49:11 +0100 From: Toby Bryans Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:50:12 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.22 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 31 Aug, Paul Sprangers wrote: > I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. > It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. > Is this a solution to your problem? On Tue, 31 Aug, Chris Johnson wrote: > OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new > page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. Yes, many thanks for that, both equally excellent solutions. -- Project Manager, Navaho Internet Ltd http://www.navaho.co.uk/ CTO, Cygnet Computer Solutions Ltd & Chairman, Empire Retailing Ltd Technical Support, an4 group Ltd 'Phone: +44 (0)7970 422053 http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~elesoc/ Fax: +44 (0)7970 127058 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103062 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936089117:20:29546:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 08:45:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029337; 31 Aug 99 8:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11193 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:26:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11188 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:26:07 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.68.202] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11LjEh-0002xg-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:25:48 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:17:08 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applet identifier Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup > I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: > > !HTMLinks > !Quote > !Imposit > > I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would > it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? Off the top of my head, do you have at least v2.49 of OvationPro? You need this version (I think) due to some of the features in use in HTMLinks. I would guess that this is the reason for errors reported in the other applets as well. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103063 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936089998:20:12755:21; Tue, 31 Aug 99 08:59:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105249; 31 Aug 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11269 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:43:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11264 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:43:16 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LjVI-000IPw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 08:42:56 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 09:37:54 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Identity crisis To: Gerald L Fitton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro P Hutton writes: Why is it that everyone else's name appears in the "From" column in my Inbox, yet mine always says "To Ovation Pro Support"? I know I typed that information in, but I have compared headers and am left mystified. I had this problem which I solved (I hope) by the following dodge. I send the email to Gerald L Fitton instead of to Ovation Pro Support Give it a try and see what happens. Gerald -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103064 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936092878:20:26308:86; Tue, 31 Aug 99 09:47:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026902; 31 Aug 99 9:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11483 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:44 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11478 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:30:42 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHB0035NP2N2A@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:30:23 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:32:57 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: RTF import To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro 'oi all Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? It would be very usefull for importing wordfiles with styles from EW/TW. grt. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103068 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936106661:20:14903:16; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:37:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014055; 31 Aug 99 13:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12075 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:06 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA12070 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:05 +0100 Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LnjL-0005tf-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:13:44 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:12:17 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: Identity To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In this I have left off the Gerald L Fitton bit so that the email is addressed to: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk -- GoldLine - Gerald L Fitton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103069 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936107863:20:02464:45; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:57:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100379; 31 Aug 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA12164 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:41:25 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA12159 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:41:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 17269 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 -0000 Received: from user1217.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.217) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 13:41:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:39:07 +0100 Subject: Re: RTF import Message-ID: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, > is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? It's already got !TransRTF which came with it. Look in your Filters folder or wherever you put all your loaders. Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all went quiet. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103070 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936109589:20:28246:33; Tue, 31 Aug 99 14:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106214; 31 Aug 99 14:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12253 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12248 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:10:48 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LocE-000DhQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:10:27 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:09:57 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: RTF import References: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson writes >In article , Steven M. Ottens > wrote: > >> Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the >> TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering >> if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, >> is anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? > >It's already got !TransRTF which came with it. Look in your Filters >folder or wherever you put all your loaders. > >Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... > >I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all >went quiet. > The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug guise. We all know what happened to that. I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103071 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936110617:20:13829:27; Tue, 31 Aug 99 14:43:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114646; 31 Aug 99 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA12347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:26:13 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12342 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:26:11 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHC00GO12R2OA@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:25:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:28:18 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: RTF import In-reply-to: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <1bf3443a49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <493a282380C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > 'oi all > > > Sorry if it is asked before but i couldn't find anything. Since the > > TechWriter/EasyWriter family is going to get RTF export i was wondering > > if OvationPro can read RTF. If so, great where can i find it. If not, is > > anyone willing to write an TransRTF thingy? > > Surely, there already is a "TransRTF" importer - it is in the filters > directory on my machine - I assume it came with OvPro itself. > Oh sorry, didn't look so close @ home ;-( grt. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 21:59:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103072 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936115400:20:00745:22; Tue, 31 Aug 99 16:03:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000660; 31 Aug 99 16:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12786 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:16 +0100 Received: from relay3.ftech.net (hades.ftech.net [212.32.16.136]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12781 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:38:14 +0100 Received: from ibm9.ftech.net ([212.32.16.79] helo=prunus.localnet) by relay3.ftech.net with smtp (Exim 2.05ftechp2 #1) id 11Lpyo-0004WM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:51 +0100 From: Toby Bryans Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 16:37:40 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Page breaks in text files Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.22 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I was given an interesting task to perform by my mother this weekend, to take a file of ~250 OCRd addresses and put them into a page with frames to match a sheet of stickers. "Easy" I thought. So, using Zap's search facilities, I looked for 2+ new lines in sequence, and replaced them with a CTRL-P character, thinking that Ovation would import it and put these "page"-breaks in. However, this didn't work, Ovation seemingly ignoring these control characters. In the end, I had to write a script in Ovation Pro which went through the whole document looking for a pound character (suitable unique in addresses) and replacing it with a newline and page break. Is there an easier way of doing this (I have a tendancy to miss the obvious ;-), is there a reason why the Ovation Pro text importer ignores page break control characters, and is there a way of putting breaks in a text file in another way? Many thanks, Toby Bryans -- Project Manager, Navaho Internet Ltd http://www.navaho.co.uk/ CTO, Cygnet Computer Solutions Ltd & Chairman, Empire Retailing Ltd Technical Support, an4 group Ltd 'Phone: +44 (0)7970 422053 http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~elesoc/ Fax: +44 (0)7970 127058 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 22:00:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103074 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 21:59:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936120672:20:14884:24; Tue, 31 Aug 99 17:31:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115423; 31 Aug 99 17:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13259 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:15:39 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13251 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:15:30 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-85.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.85]) by out5.ibm.net (/) with SMTP id RAA26908 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:14:59 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:10:54 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB13259 On Tue 31 Aug, Toby Bryans wrote: > I was given an interesting task to perform by my mother this weekend, > to take a file of ~250 OCRd addresses and put them into a page with > frames to match a sheet of stickers. 1. You can read it up in the ReadMe file (found together with NewFuncts in the OPro NewDoc directory. Search under Auto-linking. 2. Take a look at this: { !CSVedit (C) Bernard Veasey 1997 version 0.02 >>> S H A R E W A R E <<< Email: bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Web: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey Description ----------- The purpose of this program is to edit CSV files by: * editing the 'end of record' separator. * editing the 'end of field' separator. * switching fields on/off. * CSV on/off. * switching CSV headings on/off. and re-save the data in a custom file with the amended details. } >=20 > "Easy" I thought. and superbly easy it is and it saves you reading the ReadMe ;-) --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 31 22:00:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103075 for opro ; Tue, 31 Aug 99 22:00:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936128240:20:16469:17; Tue, 31 Aug 99 19:37:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016427; 31 Aug 99 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13735 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:59 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13730 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:57 +0100 Received: from modem-102.flunitrazepam.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.68.102] helo=celtania) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LtSK-0000wC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:20:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:11:05 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > I always use {nextframe} rather than CTRL-P. > > It is a DDL-code, but the !TransDDL filter handles it painlessly. > > Is this a solution to your problem? > > On Tue, 31 Aug, Chris Johnson wrote: > > OvPro recognises the form feed character (ALT 12) or ctrl-L as the new > > page character in imported text files. Use Edit (etc) to enter them. > > Yes, many thanks for that, both equally excellent solutions. > Yes, but to import the FormFeed character (x0C) a line in both !Boot & !Run of TransDDF must be commented out, otherwise TransDDF eats the FFs. Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir If active this line causes all text files to be loaded via TransDDF and then x0C characters get stripped (The line has to be active in order to use the Impulse module - see MailMerge notes - anyone know why?). If the line is commented out, text files are loaded with x0C chars intact. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 02:00:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103096 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:00:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936139101:20:15417:29; Tue, 31 Aug 99 22:38:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108753; 31 Aug 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14071 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:19:25 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA14066 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:19:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 11903 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 22:18:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 10798 invoked from network); 31 Aug 1999 21:57:00 -0000 Received: from 57.hiper04.access.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.116.57) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 31 Aug 1999 21:57:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:55:56 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: RTF import To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 31 Aug, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <493a3af43arayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson > writes > > > >Now if anyone is anywhere near to writing an RTF export applet ... > > > >I seem to remember someone starting one a long while back, but it all > >went quiet. > > > The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug > guise. We all know what happened to that. > > I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements > changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish > documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. > But Postscript is not READABLE on a PC with common software. Yes Ghostscript or something will work but people who understand it will be quite happy re-formatting a plain text file. Postscript will print from a pc to a PS printer, but the reason one wants to send a file is so that it can be editted. > RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and > doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. > I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and > reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. > This may be so, but to transfer a file and give some idea of relative heading weight etc RTF is the nearest to a generic format, unless you prefer HTML. I would use an RTF export filter if it was available to send documents created in OPro to friends overseas as email attachments so they get somewhere near original formatting. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 15:38:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103130 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 15:38:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193558:20:08145:17; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:45:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004869; 1 Sep 99 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15641 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15636 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA70-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:30:59 GMT Message-Id: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a >master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label >sheets. Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift relative to the page. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:52:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103136 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936203091:20:14411:46; Wed, 01 Sep 99 16:24:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101571; 1 Sep 99 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA16116 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:15 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk ([194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA16111 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:04:14 +0100 Received: by elslonexc001.epress.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:00:28 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: Re: RTF import/export Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I started one too, got a lot of it working, but then my requirements > changed, so I abandoned the development. If you want to publish > documents in PC-renderable format, use Postscript. > > RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and > doesn't easily map from Ovation. It is IMHO not really worth the effort. > I found it's usually just as easy to copy a document as plain text, and > reformat it in Word, if that's what you're after. As someone else pointed out, it isn't generally possible to load PS into a text editor/word processor. It's OK for taking documents for someone to read, but not for them to edit or work on further. I could really use an RTF export filter that maintained effects (bold, italic, super/subscript etc.) and style names. I don't care about page formatting. If no-one out there has one, I'll either have to resort to writing one myself from scratch (not terribly likely) or resign myself to using MS Word for styling documents for work. For those who have partially working versions of RTF exporters, I'm willing to try and help finish them off (to at least the standard mentioned above) if you're willing to let me see them. Please. John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:53:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103138 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:53:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193143:10:12339:26; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:39:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116639; 1 Sep 99 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15634 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15627 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA6y-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:26:33 GMT Message-Id: <103101@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The author of the import filter was going to do it, under the Beebug >guise. We all know what happened to that. Well yes as before Rob Clark, lost somewhere. >RTF is really a pretty crappy format; it is very restrictive, and >doesn't easily map from Ovation. I'd agree with those sentiments, and MS have more or less announced the demise of RTF. Lack of MS Word support or (great hope for the future) XML is a big problem. I want to have a serious look at this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 17:53:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103139 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 17:53:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936193924:10:22313:21; Wed, 01 Sep 99 13:52:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022137; 1 Sep 99 13:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15631 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15622 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 14:08:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MA6v-000FAQ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 13:07:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 02:08:04 GMT Message-Id: <103099@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Current "Features" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am thinking along the lines of setting up a wish-list on my site, to >which people could post requests/reports/suggestions. You (David) would >not be bound to take any notice of it, but it might be nice to canvass >your customer's opinions on things, and keep them centrally. What does >everyone out there think of such an idea? Well that would be fine. User feedback is very valuable. I do appreciate comments. I don't slavishly follow them, for one thing often what seems trivial isn't. And then there's the category of 'seemed like a good idea at the time' i.e. it might not look so good if it was done. It would be good to know just what improvements would be popular. In the current situation I'd happily have a top ten list of features and do them in order. >>Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively >>been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. >>(in other words I think I fixed your bug). >I have re-read this several times, but I have failed to make much sense >of it. ISTR you'd found a bug, which I had fixed, but you'd not have seen that fix because the version in question has not been released. >My point was not a specific instance of a problem, but all the comments >to which you have replied 'that would be a nice idea', or 'yes, >something needs doing about that, but it depends on xyz', where xyz is >(was) usually Acorn. Then there's the variations on the 'forget it for >the moment' theme. The moment has, of course, moved on. Well everything is for now at the mercy of the situation. The problems with the printer drivers or other OS issues are the responsibility of ROSL - but as with Acorn they don't have limitless resources. As to the rest whatever I do gets done, and if I don't do it, then it doesn't. I've said what the initial priorities are, once I've completed those I'll be open to other suggestions. >>With luck things should start to move forward again soon. >Are things presently not moving? That would be disappointing, as I was >under the impression that you were planning a new release soon. I'd guess the version with large image support (2.54) will appear within the next couple of weeks. Referenced and proxy images seem to be a nice addition and work OK. After that I will complete the EPS applet, allowing EPS files to be rendered, and also supporting DCS etc. I have to say "with luck", because I can't predict the future, obviously if I win the lottery next week there might be some delay 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 19:42:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103157 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 19:42:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936209416:10:10427:25; Wed, 01 Sep 99 18:10:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010237; 1 Sep 99 18:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA16564 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16559 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:54:34 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.118) [62.188.146.118] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MEa2-0005eA-00; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:53:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:52:11 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am pretty sure the answer to this is "no" but I thought I'd ask. Is there any way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? By the nature of the sort of files I OCR a lot of the technical terms are the same as in my OPro documents, and it is a bit of a bother to have to put them into the Sleuth dictionaries having already put them into the OPro ones. The dictionaries seem to be in an entirely different format, which is why I think the answer is probably "no". TIA and best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 21:30:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103163 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:30:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936216431:10:02862:17; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:07:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105126; 1 Sep 99 20:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16842 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:52:02 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16837 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:52:00 +0100 From: Received: from modem-55.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.55] helo=beeston12) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MGPh-00061f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:51:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 18:53:42 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, In message <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a > >ter page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on > >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for > >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label > >sheets. > > Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap > between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift > relative to the page. > > > > > David Pilling > I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of editing of those formats. As John Skingley has just ceased trading (alas!) it has to be added that we have not eyet received his info about where to find future support for his system, but it is certainly superb. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 21:30:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103164 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:30:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936216734:10:06440:46; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:12:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006368; 1 Sep 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16888 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:56:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16883 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:56:56 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MGUT-0002Og-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 19:56:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:36:14 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Current "Features" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103099@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David [snip] > I'd guess the version with large image support (2.54) will appear within the > next couple of weeks. > > Referenced and proxy images seem to be a nice addition and work OK. > > After that I will complete the EPS applet, allowing EPS files to be > rendered, and also supporting DCS etc. [snip] This is excellent news! Thank you! Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 22:06:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103168 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:06:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936218817:20:22730:19; Wed, 01 Sep 99 20:46:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120480; 1 Sep 99 20:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17001 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16996 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:31:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MH28-000Idp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:31:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 19:45:25 GMT Message-Id: <103158@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? No... Potentially this could turn into a rant about why on earth Beebug saw fit to get two people to write two different dictionary systems. However I won't do that, OPro will let you menu over the Edit dictionary window and export a dictionary as a text file, and it will let you dump a similar text file into that window. So if you can't share dictionaries the next best thing would be a rapid way of importing words into Sleuth. I leave it to a sleuth to tell us if there is one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 1 22:48:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103173 for opro ; Wed, 01 Sep 99 22:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936221179:20:22625:50; Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:26:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022538; 1 Sep 99 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17181 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:07:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17176 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 22:07:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MHas-000Mdp-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 21:06:58 +0000 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 99 21:36:10 GMT Message-Id: <103165@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is >without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's >Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the >various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of >editing of those formats. You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at Impact, I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which OPro doesn't. Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of the effects of that twiddling. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103230 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936298488:10:28132:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 18:54:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028038; 2 Sep 99 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19304 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:37:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MbjP-000Nnz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:48:35 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: Applet identifier To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Benji Yes- I have version 2.52. I got round the problem by reinstalling the applets affected and (touch wood) it seems OK for the mo. Thanks for the reply. On Tue 31 Aug, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > I have recently upgraded applets from the Levens Pro site, and now on bootup > > I get three messages about unknown identifiers in the following applets: > > > > !HTMLinks > > !Quote > > !Imposit > > > > I can understand if there is a we bug in the Levens applets, but why would > > it generate a bug in the Imposit applet? > > > > Has anyone else had this problem? Is there a solution? > Off the top of my head, do you have at least v2.49 of OvationPro? You > need this version (I think) due to some of the features in use in > HTMLinks. I would guess that this is the reason for errors reported in > the other applets as well. > > benji > -- > _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ > | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ > | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ > | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ > |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| > t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103232 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936299293:10:08763:17; Thu, 02 Sep 99 19:08:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100309; 2 Sep 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19316 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:05 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19311 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:38:04 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11MbjS-000Nnz-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 18:37:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:26:10 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Try this To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Is it just me? Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a continuous dotted line. Do you: a. Get a constantly growing line? b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... b. If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my keyboard configuration! Comments? Explanations? Solutions? Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it in 2.51 too) -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:44:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103233 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936300382:20:17525:58; Thu, 02 Sep 99 19:26:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017594; 2 Sep 99 19:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19449 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:11:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19444 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:11:21 +0100 Received: from spcap.demon.co.uk ([158.152.73.37]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11McFi-0000vK-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:10:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:06:36 +0100 (BST) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. To: OvationPro List In-Reply-To: <103158@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Wed 01 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >way of sharing dictionaries between Ovation Pro and Sleuth? > > No... > > Potentially this could turn into a rant about why on earth Beebug > saw fit to get two people to write two different dictionary systems. > > However I won't do that, OPro will let you menu over the Edit dictionary > window and export a dictionary as a text file, and it will let you dump > a similar text file into that window. So if you can't share dictionaries > the next best thing would be a rapid way of importing words into Sleuth. > > I leave it to a sleuth to tell us if there is one. > > > > > David Pilling The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' window and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably those ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. Incidentally, the userdict file is simply a plain text file, as exported by OPro, but with a Data file type. -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 21:45:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103238 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:45:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936302958:10:26600:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 20:09:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026468; 2 Sep 99 20:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19558 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:49:24 +0100 Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.prserv.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19552 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:48:46 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-8.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.8]) by out1.ibm.net (/) with SMTP id TAA24328 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:47:27 GMT Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 12:25:26 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103165@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB19558 On Wed 01 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at Impact, > I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which OPro doesn't. >=20 > Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of the > effects of that twiddling. I'm pleased you like that. In an otherwise WISy system, it would be great to have a graphical representation of this somewhat opaque area of thumbnails and imposition. Final output would come to life with the page size, printer margin and trial layout pouring out in an animated window. What a selling point. Going back in history, I depended heavily on a little Basic prog that rolled out greeked pages in the command windows of the View programs. InterWord's own preview was more sophisticated, but both saved in equal measure much time and paper. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa en Espa=F1a ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 22:32:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103258 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936307616:10:25990:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:26:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108429; 2 Sep 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19949 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19944 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Me8V-000DPR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:11:11 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:06:25 GMT Message-Id: <103247@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a >continuous dotted line. >Do you: >a. Get a constantly growing line? >b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple >of seconds after you have released the key? (a) OPro has a feature which the others probably don't. It buffers characters, rather than updating whats on screen after each key stroke. This was important in the old days when machines were a lot slower. However that is a loophole through which something else could cause problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 22:33:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103259 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:33:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936307624:10:26238:17; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:27:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026181; 2 Sep 99 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19942 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:03 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA19937 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:12:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Me8S-000DPR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:11:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:04:38 GMT Message-Id: <103245@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' window >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably those >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 23:07:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103262 for opro ; Thu, 02 Sep 99 23:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936308015:10:01048:16; Thu, 02 Sep 99 21:33:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118272; 2 Sep 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20039 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:18:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20034 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:18:37 +0100 Received: from (193.149.68.240) [193.149.68.240] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MeEq-00030q-00; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:17:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:16:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (20:06:36 +0100), stephen@spcap.demon.co.uk wrote: > >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >window and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. >Presumably those ignored are already present in Sleuth's main >dictionary. > >Incidentally, the userdict file is simply a plain text file, as >exported by OPro, but with a Data file type. > Thanks for this hint; I will try it when (if?) I have time. This week is a bit silly :-) Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 3 01:49:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103266 for opro ; Fri, 03 Sep 99 01:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936312512:20:24044:22; Thu, 02 Sep 99 22:48:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113349; 2 Sep 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20335 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:33:39 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20330 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:33:36 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user142.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.74]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA14282 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:32:42 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 23:31:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: <493b73527fmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Is it just me? Could be... ;-) > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. Do you: a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a > couple of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... a. Using a RISCPC 700 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103365 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936629280:10:20796:26; Mon, 06 Sep 99 14:48:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020407; 6 Sep 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA22136 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:12:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA22131 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:12:48 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.74) [62.188.134.74] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mv0D-0002vG-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:11:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:11:26 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' > window > >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably > those > >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. > > > Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two > programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. > David Pilling > I have just tried to transfer from OPro to Sleuth, Sleuth will take User Dic but not the MainDic. Cheers Bryan S. Kirk -- _____________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103369 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936630469:10:07526:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:07:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006746; 6 Sep 99 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00256 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:44 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00197 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:30 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03650 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:23:06 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11N0my-0002TY-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:22:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 99 22:17:16 GMT Message-Id: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: directory listing program? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Asking a question for a change... Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103370 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936631265:10:19068:20; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:21:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110217; 6 Sep 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00307 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:57 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00259 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:42 +0100 From: Received: from ambience.com.au (townsville.ambience.com.au [203.46.3.71]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03026 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:55 GMT Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 880839 for ; Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:55 +1000 Subject: Bleed Problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Sun, 05 Sep 1999 10:40:55 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103247@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OP 2.52 I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices from the default 8505 to 17010 to get 6mm? nothing changes. The fit option however changes the percentage when bleed is ticked but printing an A4 page with a graphic covering the whole page to fit A4 or even an A5 page to centred on A4 makes no difference. I'm printing with the Level 2 Postscript Driver (Printers 1.53) - the Printing Bureau that I sent the PS file to said they couldn't seen the trim marks either. When I print to a HP Laser 4MP everything seems fine except for the lack of a bleed?? Thanks, Paul Paul Herring The Kooralbyn International School www.tkis.com.au email: pherring@tkis.com.au -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103371 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936632397:10:04782:27; Mon, 06 Sep 99 15:39:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004697; 6 Sep 99 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00221 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:37 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00170 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03959 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:39 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.93) [193.149.75.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mwkz-0004zO-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:04:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:02:03 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >>The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >window >>and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably >those >>ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. > > >Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two >programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. > > Seemed to work for me, but I haven't Sleuthed anything with the technical words in yet. WMT, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103373 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936633718:10:22301:22; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111488; 6 Sep 99 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00300 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:54 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00261 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:43 +0100 Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03008 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:01:02 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.214] (helo=mail10.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11N0D4-0002ei-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:45:22 +0100 Received: from modem-104.visine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.94.104] helo=celtania) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MzRr-0001rX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:56:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:55:59 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... a. also using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 > -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103374 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936634751:10:05044:25; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:19:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1005982; 6 Sep 99 16:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00251 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:41 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00188 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:29 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03737 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:38:27 GMT Received: from tnt-8-175 (tnt-8-175.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.175]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4567E7B076 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:25:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:24:05 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: <008de03b49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? > > My computer voted..... b. > > If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my > keyboard configuration! > > Comments? Explanations? Solutions? > > Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it > in 2.51 too) > No!! My Computer also voted ........ a Using a Non-SA RiscPC 700, 32Mb memory and 2.52 I also find that using macros from !TextAid also input very slowly. Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:55:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103375 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936635684:10:19165:31; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019094; 6 Sep 99 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00240 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:39 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00173 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03956 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:38 GMT Received: from (62.188.133.82) [62.188.133.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Mwpb-00056w-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:08:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:06:49 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvPro and Sleuth dictionaries. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 3 Sep 1999 (16:11:26 +0100), bkirk@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Thu 2 Sep 1999 (22:04:38), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >> >> >> >The text file from OPro is accepted by the Sleuth3 'Edit Dictionary' >> window >> >and some of the words are indeed added to the userdict. Presumably >> those >> >ignored are already present in Sleuth's main dictionary. >> >> >> Didn't work for me yesterday because I tried to drag between the two >> programs. Seemingly Sleuth wants a real file on disc to load. >> David Pilling >> > I have just tried to transfer from OPro to Sleuth, Sleuth will take >User Dic but not the MainDic. > It took my MainDic with no trouble. (NB transferred via a temporary file on the hard disc, as David said) HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From polak@nlr.nl Mon Sep 6 21:55:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103379 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:55:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936635822:10:21377:14; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:37:02 GMT Received: from spider.nlr.nl ([137.17.80.200]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126409; 6 Sep 99 16:36 GMT Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id SAA15307; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:36:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 18:35:06 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: directory listing program? Message-ID: References: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) Return-Receipt-To: polak@nlr.nl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > Asking a question for a change... > > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names > > > David Pilling > A simple text file is produced by typing: *EnumDir [] I am not sure wheter this is what you want though. Regards, Frits Polak -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103384 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936638094:10:22817:19; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:14:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022782; 6 Sep 99 17:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00239 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:39 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00177 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03953 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:38 GMT Received: from (193.149.75.11) [193.149.75.11] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Ng8S-0002rA-00; Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:31:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 5 Sep 1999 18:29:09 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: An idiot's question about printing firms. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For reasons best known to himself, my son decided he would edit a Cheltenham Town Football Club fanzine using OPro (what else?). It actually looks pretty good, both on screen and printed out. Then he had the problem of sending it to a printing firm. There was no way I could make the PostScript printers work to print a file to disc to e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject, but which newsgroup or mailing list to use?), so he ended up sending hard copy, which they seem to think is OK. Now (and here's the real idiot bit, as I seem to have lost the original posting), the new OPro upgrade, upcoming, (but how up is the coming?) has an EPS applet promised. Is this what I need to make an e-mailable printout with? Please someone (the blessed David, for instance) tell me it is! Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103386 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639044:10:04961:17; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:30:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108332; 6 Sep 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00249 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:42 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00180 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:28 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03950 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 10:03:37 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.2) [193.149.78.2] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11MvsZ-000454-00; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:07:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Woolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 16:04:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #226 Message-ID: <493bce3ccdcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199909021839.TAA19325@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199909021839.TAA19325@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Sep, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > You can tell I'm a programmer... but having just looked at > Impact, I can't see that it allows you to twiddle anything which > OPro > Where it is very good is in having a graphical representation of > > of that twiddling. Hi ! I frequently read the mailings in various places about the difficulty of printing labels. I have NEVER found this to be a serious problem. I frequently print my own price labels (vsmall) and picture labels, address labels etc with no real problems. Datapower and Masterfile both are capable, and have produced numerous labels for me in the past. However, now I produce my own custom templates in OvnPro and drop text in. As the screen display and OvnPro's ruler bars are accurate to the printed copy (!Ovation wasn't !) it is easy to get the labels in the right place, even if the label has its own border. Now where would I, or all of you dedicated OvnPro users be, without OvnPro to do these tasks so easily ? I can see the flames already ! Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103390 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639883:10:15452:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015433; 6 Sep 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00304 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:56 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00236 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:38 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03421 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15698 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:07 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:10:48 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page breaks in text files Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8858593a49%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Roger Morris wrote: > ...to import the FormFeed character (x0C) a line in both !Boot & > !Run of TransDDF must be commented out, otherwise TransDDF eats the FFs. > Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir > > If active this line causes all text files to be loaded via TransDDF and > then x0C characters get stripped (The line has to be active in order to > use the Impulse module - see MailMerge notes - anyone know why?). I belive this line has to be active to _create_ marge commands using the Impulse module and Impact, and that this in turn is because when one drag 'n' drops a merge command from Impact into an Ovation window the thing that is being transfered is a pice of DDF code like this... {merge ":Impact.Client Fetch address"} ....[I just dropped that in from Impact, BTW] but this is trasfered as a text file. That bit of code above is an Impression embedded command, so it needs to be translated by !TransDDF into something Ovation can use. Since it is trasfered as a text file !TransDDF would ignore it unless the aformentioned "Set FFGServer$TransDDFa -T &FFF &B25 -R TransDDF$Dir" is active. So, if anyone's trying to get merge commands to work and they're getting things like {merge ":Impact.Client Fetch address"} instead of things like [Merge 1] it's because of that little command in the !TransDDF !Boot/!Run file. [The time I wasted trying to solve that one... tsk... I dunno] Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103393 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639929:10:15893:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:45:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104401; 6 Sep 99 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00292 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:52 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00245 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:38 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03424 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:42 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15711 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:12 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:22:36 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import/export Message-ID: <6863f63b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" wrote: > I could really use an RTF export filter that maintained effects (bold, > italic, super/subscript etc.) and style names. I don't care about page > formatting. If no-one out there has one, I'll either have to resort to > writing one myself from scratch (not terribly likely) or resign myself to > using MS Word for styling documents for work. > > For those who have partially working versions of RTF exporters, I'm willing > to try and help finish them off (to at least the standard mentioned above) > if you're willing to let me see them. Please. > > John Anyone who is interested in this would also do well to look at a project I have started called Toffee Net (was called Toffee Tree) at http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk/toffee This site explains about the TOFFEE (Transitory Object File Format Extractor & Encoder) Net project which aims to enable users (on many platforms) to translate any supported file format into any other file format. I won't explain how here, the web-site goes into a fair amount of detail. What this site does not yet mention is that I am cobbling together a RISC OS 'demonstration' version for some accessible file formats. RTF is a good candidate for this 'demontration' and Ovation's DDL is another. I am putting 'demonstration' in inverted commas because, although this is to be a RISC OS platform only 'demonstration' of a much larger cross-platform project, it will be a fully functional RISC OS utility. All opinions, help and advise welcome (e-mail to toffee@pebblesculpt.co.uk if it is not relevant to OP). Thanks, Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103395 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936640020:10:17198:15; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:47:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017139; 6 Sep 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07578 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:47:52 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07573 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:47:50 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust75.tnt7.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.247.75] with SMTP for id WAA22745 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:47:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00dd01bee9ba$92d0aa10$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:58:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > >> I think there's some advantage to the 'more' or 'less' over the >> 'on' or 'off' concept with respect to Cascading Style Definitions >> and being able to redefine the font relative to a base style... >> styles that are defined in terms of a parent style could retain >> their distinction by still being 'more bold' than the parent style >> when the parent style iteself has been told to be 'more bold'. > >That's the best suggestion I've seen for handling fonts with multiple >weights. I'm very much an amateur in the DTP field and few of my >fonts have more than one or two weights, so it is not a major problem >for me, but I can see the present arrangements must be very tiresome >to professional users. > Just an observation: Fireworkz has another "maybe interesting" concept. All the fonts in the menu (Style) are striped off for at least "Medium", "Bold", "Oblique" and "Italic". Meaning you can see from Trinity, Homerton and Corpus only Trinity, Homerton, Corpus and you can choose the four weights by buttons as styles or as effects. A font "AFontxxx" with the weights Light, Light.Italic, Medium, Medium.Italic, Roman, Roman.Italic, Bold, Bold.Italic, BoldCond, Black, Black.Italic looks like AFontxxx for Bold, Bold.Italic, Medium, Medium.Italic AFontxxx.BoldCond for BoldCond AFontxxx.Black for Black and Black.Italic AFontxxx.Light for Light and Light.Italic AFontxxx.Roman for Roman and Roman.Italic In Fireworkz however you can't preview whether or not there is an Italic/Slanted or Bold. You don't get an error message either. And I have no experience with the fontmapping, when outputting to a PostScript file/printer. But I like the basic-concept. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103406 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936633933:20:04345:30; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:05:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103908; 6 Sep 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00284 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:50 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00220 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:35 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03412 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:40 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15687 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:52:53 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:56:13 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I think the best system for producing labels that I've yet come across is > without doubt the splendid facility which comes with John Skingley's > Impact-3, and which provides a series of label formats adapted to the > various Avery types. while at the same time enabling a certain amount of > editing of those formats. It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. However, now, when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put partially used label sheets through the printer too often so I only print out whole sheets. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103407 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936634070:20:04728:67; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:07:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005193; 6 Sep 99 16:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00626 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:48:29 +0100 Received: from mail-out1.euro.apple.com (mail-out1.euro.apple.com [194.151.19.115]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA00620 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 15:48:28 +0100 Received: from relay1.euro.apple.com (A17-71-100-20.apple.com [17.71.100.20]) by mail-out1.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13883 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:48:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from xn064.euro.apple.com ([17.69.216.25]) by relay1.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00254 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:48:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:49:39 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: directory listing program? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Asking a question for a change... > > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names > > > David Pilling I wrote one years ago that creates a TSV file. Its easily modified to create a text file, or just drop the output into something like PipeDream. You are welcome to it. Description follows: EnumDir by Mike Hobbs This program does a catalog of a directory rather like the *EnumDir command but it operates from the Desktop and outputs in TSV format (tab separated variable). When run the program sits on the icon bar and when directories are dragged to it the directory structure and all files are listed in TSV format and the output file can be dragged to your chosen destination. Typical output... ADFS::HD4.$.!BOOT.^.Apps.FileUtils.!EnumDir Scan Path 1998-09-25 20:22:01 ..!Boot Obey 1993-05-14 12:28:42 ..!Help Text 1993-05-14 12:39:02 ..!Run Obey 1993-05-14 12:28:36 ..!RunImage BASIC 1994-05-02 23:25:19 ..!Sprites Sprite 1993-02-12 11:39:32 ..Templates Template 1993-02-12 12:03:49 Let me know if you want it. Mike -- Mike Hobbs Xemplar Education Ltd Tel: 44 (0)1223 724266 The Quorum, Barnwell Road Fax: 44 (0)1223 724223 Cambridge, CB5 8RE. WWW: http://www.xemplar.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103408 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936637198:20:21582:26; Mon, 06 Sep 99 16:59:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120711; 6 Sep 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00298 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:53 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00223 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:36 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03415 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15715 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:14 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:58:53 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <103103@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >The ideal way to go about it from my [user's] point of view is to define a > >master page to be the size of one label then get that to print out X by Y on > >a sheet. Thumbnails almost does this but the control available for > >positioning does not seem to be adequate for aligning with pre-cut label > >sheets. > > Hmm. I would have said thumbnails - gives you control over the gap > between lables in the X and Y directions and then an overall shift > relative to the page. I tried it - but the minimum gap seemed to be too big (in one direction) and there didn't seem to be a way to define the initial offset from the top left corner, otherwise, yes, this would have been ideal. I've got Imposition v1.02, is there a more flexible later version? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:56:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103409 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936638024:20:02221:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:13:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002032; 6 Sep 99 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA01254 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:57:46 +0100 Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01249 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 16:57:45 +0100 Received: from [130.159.56.178] (helo=rosco.chem.strath.ac.uk) by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11O1xt-0005mz-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:49:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:57:07 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: Try this To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <008de03b49.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Sep, dmorrell wrote: > In message > P Hutton wrote: > > > Dear all > > > > Is it just me? > > > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > > continuous dotted line. > > Do you: > > a. Get a constantly growing line? > > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > > of seconds after you have released the key? > > > > My computer voted..... b. > > > > If I try the same thing in Edit or Pendown, it works fine, so it is not my > > keyboard configuration! > > > > Comments? Explanations? Solutions? > > > > Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory, OP 2.52 (although it was doing it > > in 2.51 too) > > > > No!! > > My Computer also voted ........ a > > Using a Non-SA RiscPC 700, 32Mb memory and 2.52 > > I also find that using macros from !TextAid also input very slowly. > > Dave Morrell > I get a. for about half a line full of dots (longer than 5 seconds) and then b. with my SA RPC with 42Mb memory & OvPro 2.52 Phil. -- Phil Dennison (p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103411 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936639052:20:14116:16; Mon, 06 Sep 99 17:30:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014080; 6 Sep 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00290 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:51 +0100 Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA00234 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 14:37:36 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA03418 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 09:12:41 GMT Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-77.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.77]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA15702 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:53:10 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 23:01:11 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: <7f6df43b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <49392f1cb9delink@news.wxs.nl> Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > I only want to have to update one frame, not 65 (5 by 13 label sheets), > > to ensuere that a printed sheet is the correct version of a graphic. > > Anyone got a list for this one? > > What about defining a whole label sheet, using the Duplicate function? > You'll have to find out the exact X and Y offsets once. This is exactly what I do already, and I agree, the Duplicate function works like a dream. However, the issue I am trying to solve is that I don't want to have to update all 65 (mini-address label size) of these frames each time the ArtWorks source changes - I only want to edit one frame and then be able to print it out repeatedly on each label sheet. Sort of an automated Duplicate function built into the printing end of things. As discussed in another posting, Thumbnails comes close but falls short. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103416 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936645356:20:26619:21; Mon, 06 Sep 99 19:15:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117118; 6 Sep 99 19:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02170 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:00:01 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02165 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:59:59 +0100 Received: from p119.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.247] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11O40Q-0002eV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:00:43 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:52:09 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:52:28 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Message-ID: <5ca86e3d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > For reasons best known to himself, my son decided he would edit a Cheltenham > Town Football Club fanzine using OPro (what else?). It actually looks pretty > good, both on screen and printed out. Then he had the problem of sending it to > a printing firm. There was no way I could make the PostScript printers work to > print a file to disc to e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject, > but which newsgroup or mailing list to use?), so he ended up sending hard copy, > which they seem to think is OK. > > Now (and here's the real idiot bit, as I seem to have lost the original > posting), the new OPro upgrade, upcoming, (but how up is the coming?) has an > EPS applet promised. Is this what I need to make an e-mailable printout with? > Please someone (the blessed David, for instance) tell me it is! > No, you don't need an EPS applet. You already have everything required. There is a certain amount of care and black magic involved in creating a suitable postscript file, but not a great deal. Most of the issues are related to fonts. You do need to 'print to file', though. I'm not sure what problem you were having here. Usually, it is straightforward to configure your printer driver temporarily to direct the output to disk. Make sure you load a postscript printer driver. The generic 'PoScriptF' driver does me fine. Try shift-adjust on the iconbar icon for the printer driver when you have loaded it. This brings up a 'connections' configuration window. Click the 'File' radio button, then click the menu-select icon at the end of the writeable icon to the right of the 'file' radio button and drag the poscript icon to a suitable directory on your disk. Or simply write in a pathname to a file in the writeable icon yourself When you print your next file, it will be directed to disk. There may be some further magic needed to set up font mapping, using !FontPrint, but the default settings will probably do you OK. From there on, a great deal depends on how sophisticated the printer's postcript tools are. If it is a small local printer, with just a mac and a copy of Quark Xpress, there may be difficulty. But here is a further hint: if the printer expresses doubt about handling your postscript file, ask them to try 'distilling' the postscript into an Acrobat PDF file. Most of them will have Acrobat, and the distilling process will not only validate your postscript and (perhaps) reassure them that it is OK, but also turn the postscript file into a format which they will feel more comfortable dealing with in their usual workflow. (Actually, they will just turn it back into postcript in order to output film!) If you are using a spot colour, then life is a little more complicated. If you are working with colour images, then it is quite a bit more complicated. But simple black and white work should not be a problem. Best of luck! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103417 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936648878:20:04899:31; Mon, 06 Sep 99 20:14:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119394; 6 Sep 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02535 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:59:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02530 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:59:20 +0100 Received: from beebware.demon.co.uk ([194.222.132.205] helo=beebware.mail.beebware.com) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11O4uy-000Bhd-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:59:08 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:51:44 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: directory listing program? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post may not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just to let you all know, I've just sent a program to produce a listing of directories to David Pilling so let's hope it does what it should :) Richy C. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 21:57:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103418 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:57:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936650902:20:25470:22; Mon, 06 Sep 99 20:48:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025072; 6 Sep 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02719 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:31:00 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA02714 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:30:58 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-11.access.ch [195.112.69.139]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA12095 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:30:40 +0200 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:25:14 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: directory listing program? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 04 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > > Asking a question for a change... > > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names > Have you tried Tiger5.05 from the late Graham Crow? I believe APDL now handles distribution of this program. You can select the amount of info you want and also set the depth of recursiveness. And it has many other niceties. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:20:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103450 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936651783:10:16211:17; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:03:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124439; 6 Sep 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02801 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:47:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02796 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:47:56 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.208) [193.149.74.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O5fz-00007p-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:47:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:46:03 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Many thanks for David's extensive explanation; the problem I have, I think, is that my printers directory isn't all there; I am in fact trying to print to file, but the driver keeps complaining about a missing prologue file. I will have to delve into the StrongARM upgrade CDROM (if I can find it) to resurrect the necessary files. If not, does anyone out there know where I can download them from? I still think that an applet would be easier! TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:20:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103457 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936652491:20:11781:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:14:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125903; 6 Sep 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA02899 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:59:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA02894 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:59:28 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.164) [193.149.77.164] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O5r8-0000Lo-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:59:15 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:14:48 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: directory listing program? Message-ID: <493D6B357A%mik@xemik.com> References: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names I don't know of a URL, but there's an ancient prog' called Tree by Richard Samphire which seems do exactly what you want (if you're patient). It appeared on an Archimedes World disk c.1993, so s/be on the Kosovo CD. It also works on my RPC SA. -- Shine on, you crazy diamond! __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:34 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11O5v7-000MHs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:40:41 +0100 Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Message-ID: <493d7890c7jack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr P.N.Young wrote: > For reasons best known to himself, my son decided he would edit a > Cheltenham Town Football Club fanzine using OPro (what else?). It > actually looks pretty good, both on screen and printed out. Then he > had the problem of sending it to a printing firm. There was no way I > could make the PostScript printers work to print a file to disc to > e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject, but which > newsgroup or mailing list to use?), so he ended up sending hard copy, > which they seem to think is OK. > Now (and here's the real idiot bit, as I seem to have lost the > original posting), the new OPro upgrade, upcoming, (but how up is the > coming?) has an EPS applet promised. Is this what I need to make an > e-mailable printout with? Please someone (the blessed David, for > instance) tell me it is! Why not use Micro Laser Designs of Bath as printers and/or imagesetters? As an Acorn oriented firm they will take stuff in OPro or Publisher format and have an impressive range of equipment and, in my experience, their work is good and reasonably priced. Contact is Andy Bissex at info@mld.co.uk , phone 01225 833266. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:20:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103459 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936652753:20:14450:21; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:19:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014411; 6 Sep 99 21:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02964 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA02959 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:36 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11O5v8-000MHs-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:03:24 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 21:55:04 +0100 Subject: Re: directory listing program? Message-ID: <493d79e1afjack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <103324@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > Asking a question for a change... > Does anyone know the URL of a program that can produce a text file > of a directory/file structure i.e. one filename/path to the line. > I don't want any junk like filesizes, just the names Possibly Tiger (Big CAT) by Graham Crow is just what you're looking for. It displays a window of the contents of a directory dragged to its icon, from which you can select any or all of a number of key features to save as a text file. Simple and neat. It was Copyright RISC User 1992 but a later version is, I think, available as shareware from APDL. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Sep 6 23:21:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103460 for opro ; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:20:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936654806:10:22214:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 21:53:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022133; 6 Sep 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03378 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:38:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03373 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 21:38:07 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.145) [193.149.76.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O6SX-0001UE-00; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:37:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:21:10 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: EPS Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Did I read somwhere that David (or someone else) is going to do an EPS applet for OvPro? If so, how soon is this likely to be, any indications made? -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 02:00:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103462 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:00:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936661094:10:29484:18; Mon, 06 Sep 99 23:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029445; 6 Sep 99 23:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03769 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:22:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA03764 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:22:52 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.249) [62.188.130.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11O85t-0004QR-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:22:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. M W Lewis) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 00:08:34 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.00 Subject: Re: directory listing program? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA03765 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB03769 Try !DiskTree (circa 1996 but still works on RO4)- Copy available if requ= ired. Author Mr. Julian Robbins 16 Allenwater Drive Fordingbridge Hants SP6 1RB email julianro@digibank.demon.co.uk Sample output from adfs::Hard.$ Office=20 OvnPro !3-Row=A0Bar !Boot !Help !Run !Sprites !Sprites22 Files !Install !Macros !OvnPro !Boot !OvnResDir !Boot !Run !Sprites !Sprites22 22Icons3d Borders Border Colours Generic HSVtone ProcessCMY ProcessK ETC --=20 mwlewis@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 02:00:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103463 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:00:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936658151:20:06875:21; Mon, 06 Sep 99 22:49:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112744; 6 Sep 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA03586 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:33:54 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA03581 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 22:33:52 +0100 Received: from p64.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.192] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11O7LO-0001O8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 23:34:35 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Mon, 06 Sep 1999 23:32:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 23:33:29 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > Many thanks for David's extensive explanation; the problem I have, I think, is > that my printers directory isn't all there; I am in fact trying to print to > file, but the driver keeps complaining about a missing prologue file. I will > have to delve into the StrongARM upgrade CDROM (if I can find it) to resurrect > the necessary files. If not, does anyone out there know where I can download > them from? > Ah. I'm using !printers 1.54 and Risc OS 3.7 and I recall I had the same problem when I started printing postscript. The problem seems to be that the printer drivers expect the prolog file to be in a slightly different directory structure from the one in ROM. I'm sure there are various ways around this. What I did was put the printers PrntDefn file into an editor, find the line (line 10 in mine) which starts prologue2: and change it so it reads: prologue2: level1.PSprolog2 There is a little further obstacle: these printer definition files are usually SQUASHED. Redefine its file type to SQUASH and set access to 'unprotected'. Now double click on it. You will find it reverts to (a larger) PrntDefn file which you can edit. No need to resquash it. I don't recall seeing this problem mentioned anywhere, so it may just be a particular incompatability between !printers version and Os version. But this fix seems to do the trick. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103492 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936671974:20:28911:17; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:39:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119909; 7 Sep 99 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04381 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:19 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04376 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvS-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:14:21 GMT Message-Id: <103468@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bleed Problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm >doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices Hmm. AFAIK bleed does work. The main danger I'd forsee is that the printer margins are too small for the bleed to have an effect. You can't print A4+bleed on an A4 printer at 100% and see the bleed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103493 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936671975:20:28911:36; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:39:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028881; 7 Sep 99 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04395 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:26 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04390 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvW-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:20:53 GMT Message-Id: <103472@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Did I read somwhere that David (or someone else) is going to do an EPS applet >for OvPro? Real soon... I intend to finish work on 'large picture' handling. That should be either the end of this week or next. Once I've got that out I will complete the EPS applet, which I wrote a couple of years back but never finished. This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from documents. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103494 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936671977:20:28931:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119976; 7 Sep 99 2:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04374 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04369 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvQ-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:08:52 GMT Message-Id: <103466@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: directory listing program? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks to all those who emailed me with suggestions about how to get a directory listing in a text file. In addition to the ones which appeared in the list, Roger King suggested 'Tree Cat' by W. D. Hine, Risc User disc circa 1992, which does work. What I didn't make clear is that this is not for my personal use, there's a future application of OPro which requires such a listing. So I wanted something which I could either put on the web site, or at least point at from it. I can refer to and you can use the other programs just mentioned. Anyway thanks for all your suggestions I think we've got something to be going on with. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103495 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936672882:20:04972:16; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:54:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004945; 7 Sep 99 2:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04410 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04397 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAva-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:10 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:23:54 GMT Message-Id: <103474@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There was no way I could make the PostScript printers work to >print a file to disc to e-mail to the printers (now, there's another subject This is no help, but it should be easy, just print to file, and thats it. Its my experience that a lot of copies of !Printers have been upgraded and installed so much they are broken. So rainy day entertainment is to delete all the bits from all the places they are put, and have just current copy of Printers. The useful tip though is to set up GhostScript so that you can view your resulting PS files and check they are what you expect them to be. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103499 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936688418:20:23670:19; Tue, 07 Sep 99 07:13:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023642; 7 Sep 99 7:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA05309 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:57:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA05304 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 06:57:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.81.147) [193.149.81.147] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OFC7-0000uA-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:57:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:49:11 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: EPS Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (02:20:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from >documents. > What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs at work? It would be a very welcome addition! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103500 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936695103:20:21488:31; Tue, 07 Sep 99 09:05:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106795; 7 Sep 99 9:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05656 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:45:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA05651 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 08:45:18 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.171) [193.149.71.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OGs6-0002SP-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:44:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr R Pennicott) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:43:16 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Bold Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. This is a book of 70 pages and about a thousand sentences to turn bold. So as you can see a quick way to select the first sentence in each paragraph and turn it bold will be a great help. -- ___ _____ .---------------------------------. | | | | ___| |Britains most comprehensive land | | | |____ | |__ :sourcing system 0118-9626022 : | | | __ | |__ | ---------------------------------- | |____ ||__|| ___| | info@landbank.co.uk |______| |____| |____| www.landbank.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103502 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936704966:20:23558:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 11:49:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123473; 7 Sep 99 11:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06249 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:30:05 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06244 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:30:03 +0100 Received: from p1.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.129] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11OJQR-0002Iw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:28:35 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:27:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:28:41 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Applet Message-ID: <54ddc93d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6cd5c53d49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro "Steven M. Ottens" wrote: > In message > andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > > > On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (02:20:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from > > >documents. > > > > > What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs > > at work? It would be a very welcome addition! > > Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you > can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read > PDF. > So what would be nice is a program who prints to proper EPS. With that you > have an universal EPS export filter which you can use for virtually any > program. Well, that would be the theory. It wouldn't work in practice. For example, we have had to give up asking conventional publishers to provide us with their advertisements as EPS exports from Quark Xpress. We have yet to receive a useable file (even when using to Quark on a Mac to import them!). EPS is used for single page graphics, not whole publications. There is no single standard for the inclusion of font information. Fonts may get turned into vector graphics ('curves') along the way or they not be. Or you may have references to TrueType fonts. EPS can also act as a 'wrapper' for what is really just a bitmap graphic TIFF file (so you think you are getting a vector file but it is really bitmap). And EPS nowadays come with a variety of 'preview' TIFFs - lo res bitmaps which are used in the Quark Xpress screen display. However, there seems to be no real standard for these. Finally, EPSs may reference hi res graphic objects which are not included with the EPS - you then just get left with a lo res thumbnail. In other words, EPS is a minefield. On the whole, it is better to export by printing to a postscript file. I wonder whether PDF might be a better interchange standard? It at least forces some kind of standard on the postscript. 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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:01:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 03 Sep, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message > > It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. However, now, > when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put partially used label sheets > through the printer too often so I only print out whole sheets. I've been putting Avery labels through my Calligraph multiple times for years with nothing worse occuring than the odd paper jam. Certainly I have never got one stuck to the drum, which I assume is the worry here. (But please don't sue me if you do have a disaster.) Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103504 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936707077:20:21322:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 12:24:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021144; 7 Sep 99 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06366 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:08:18 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06361 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:08:16 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s32-64-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.64]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:50:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Bold To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 07 Sep, Mr R Pennicott wrote: > Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. > This is a book of 70 pages and about a thousand sentences to turn bold. > So as you can see a quick way to select the first sentence in each paragraph > and turn it bold will be a great help. > Well it could be done with a Perl script. You would have to export as text, and insert the appropriate DDL commands. Or perhaps a similar thing could be done with Zap. Use a very long line so that you get one paragraph per line. Then insert DDL commands at the start or each line and the first full stop. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 14:05:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103506 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:04:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936709134:20:20842:18; Tue, 07 Sep 99 12:58:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020719; 7 Sep 99 12:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA06540 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:42:08 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06535 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 12:42:07 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21198 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA00556 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:45 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: EPS Applet Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:41:26 +0100 Message-ID: <000601bef92e$4c999ce0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <54ddc93d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Steven Ottens wrote: > > Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you > > can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read > > PDF. Quark doesn't by default, although it can with the QX-Tools XTension from Extensis Corp for $150 retail (i.e. peanuts). PageMaker 6.5 doesn't from memory (although I don't have a copy handy here to check). Photoshop 5 and Illustrator 8 will read PDFs though, as will Acrobat 4 (obviously) which is increasingly common in bureaux for prepress production. My impression is that PDF has largely usurped EPS in American bureaux already - the rest of the world will almost certainly follow. David Graddol wrote: > EPS is a minefield. On the whole, it is better to > export by printing to a postscript file. > > I wonder whether PDF might be a better interchange standard? It > at least forces some kind of standard on the postscript. Certainly agreed. PDF is *far* better for prepress output nowadays - it's more elegant, robust and straightforward. As people (myself included) have mentioned before on this list, even without Taborca, you can get pretty reliable results from printing to a composite PostScript file at high enough dpi for the press/printer you're using, and distilling it into a PDF via Acrobat on a PC/Mac. As long as you can proof it, there's no reason why you can't let the bureau do this at their end. Then you don't need to worry about separations, crops, screen angles, dot gain etc. Both EPS and RTF still have their places. EPS for import, as it's still a standard format for logos and adverts etc in the real world. Basic RTF is useful for both import and export, as you can transfer text with formatting (depending on the degree of implementation) to and from a wide variety of WPs. Many publishers still prefer to accept RTF for manuscripts as it avoids the risk of macro viruses too. TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 15:15:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103520 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:15:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936672919:10:02529:16; Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:55:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117179; 7 Sep 99 2:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04388 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:22 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04383 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OAvU-000C2l-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:24:05 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:16:03 GMT Message-Id: <103470@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I tried it - but the minimum gap seemed to be too big (in one direction) and >there didn't seem to be a way to define the initial offset from the >top left corner, otherwise, yes, this would have been ideal. AFAIK the menu offers an X and Y gap, and the minimum is zero, i.e. touching. 'Print setup' as with other formats that aren't fit'd or centere'd offers an overall X and Y shift. >I've got Imposition v1.02, is there a more flexible later version? No. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 15:15:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103526 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:15:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936698407:10:27101:44; Tue, 07 Sep 99 10:00:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124845; 7 Sep 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA05840 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:42:14 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05835 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:42:12 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHO00745O9TCF@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:41:53 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:44:40 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: EPS Applet In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <6cd5c53d49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (02:20:53), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >This is for importing EPS files. Not for generating EPS direct from > >documents. > > > What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs > at work? It would be a very welcome addition! Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read PDF. So what would be nice is a program who prints to proper EPS. With that you have an universal EPS export filter which you can use for virtually any program. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 15:15:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103527 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:15:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936710987:10:12580:51; Tue, 07 Sep 99 13:29:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128702; 7 Sep 99 13:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA06656 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:50 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA06651 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OL2y-0003mZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:12:28 +0000 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 99 14:10:00 GMT Message-Id: <103509@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Bold X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can anyone help, I need to turn the first sentence in each paragraph bold. I'd guess a simple example of the use of bookmarks in the OPro script language. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103533 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719042:10:28468:44; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:44:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124439; 7 Sep 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07134 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:54 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07122 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:51 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust226.tnt5.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.245.226] with SMTP for id RAA16416 (8.8.8/1.19); Tue, 7 Sep 1999 17:13:19 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000401bef943$7735c450$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: EPS Applet Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:18:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Steven M. Ottens wrote: >Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which you >can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do read >PDF. Macromedia Freehand (8.0) does. Also multiple paged PDF files. Tonnie -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103534 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719210:10:00647:21; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:46:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129001; 7 Sep 99 15:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07132 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07124 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:13:51 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.220) [193.149.83.220] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OMw4-0001Yw-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:13:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:12:00 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Many thanks for all the suggestions about Postscript printing (and thanks, Jack, for the firm in Bath; I have pointed my son at them). David's trick with editing the PDF file seems to have worked, at least in that I get a printout file appearing on the hard disc. However, this spawns two more questions. Can any kind person out there remind me: 1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has done what I think it has done? 2) What M$DO$ file extension do I give the printout, if James continues to use a non-Acorn printing firm? TIA, and thanks for the help so far, Peter, -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103535 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719282:10:01459:28; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:48:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101386; 7 Sep 99 15:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07259 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:30:07 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07254 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:30:06 +0100 Received: from p42.nas3.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.42] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11ONAj-0001Vj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:28:37 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:12:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 16:13:15 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: EPS Applet Message-ID: <816cde3d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <000601bef92e$4c999ce0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Steven Ottens wrote: > > > > Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which > you > > > can view in PC programs. But i don't know if Pagemaker or QuarkXpress do > read > > > PDF. > > Quark doesn't by default, although it can with the QX-Tools XTension from > Extensis Corp for $150 retail (i.e. peanuts). PageMaker 6.5 doesn't from > memory (although I don't have a copy handy here to check). Photoshop 5 and > Illustrator 8 will read PDFs though, as will Acrobat 4 (obviously) which is > increasingly common in bureaux for prepress production. My impression is > that PDF has largely usurped EPS in American bureaux already - the rest of > the world will almost certainly follow. > > David Graddol wrote: > > > EPS is a minefield. On the whole, it is better to > > export by printing to a postscript file. > > > > I wonder whether PDF might be a better interchange standard? It > > at least forces some kind of standard on the postscript. > > Certainly agreed. PDF is *far* better for prepress output nowadays - it's > more elegant, robust and straightforward. As people (myself included) have > mentioned before on this list, even without Taborca, you can get pretty > reliable results from printing to a composite PostScript file at high enough > dpi for the press/printer you're using, and distilling it into a PDF via > Acrobat on a PC/Mac. As long as you can proof it, there's > no reason why you can't let the bureau do this at their end. Then you don't > need to worry about separations, crops, screen angles, dot gain etc. > What I do nowadays is try distilling my Acorn postscript on a pc as part of my 'pre-flight' checking. If it distills OK, then it is probably OK to send to a bureau. Another caveat: PDF is pretty good for prepress work (although people working with high-end colour still seem to be having problems with it), but it is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. And even then, it is only really possible to fix a few typos, rather than rework the text or layout. Abobe's new Quark-slayer, Indesign, is said to be able to import/export and edit PDFS natively, but no-one really seems to know what exactly that means in practice. PDF seems to enjoy two quite different lives - as an exchange format for prepress work, and as a publishing format for digital documents and e-books (where it may have active links, javascript features, and forms added). There is currently a 'format wars' going on some of the discussion lists devoted to electronic publications as to whether PDF or XML is where the future lies. PDF is currently the de facto front runner, though supporters say that XML will take over in some domains. But PDF is pretty secure in the prepress arena, whatever happens to XML. I'd certainly be interested if Ovation Pro acquired XML competence, but presumably this is a functionality more suited to Techwriter? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 18:22:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103536 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:22:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936719645:10:05986:30; Tue, 07 Sep 99 15:54:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006004; 7 Sep 99 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA07169 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:19:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA07164 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:19:20 +0100 Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ON1N-000LwA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:18:57 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:07:30 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Labels feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 03 Sep, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. > However, now, when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put > partially used label sheets through the printer too often so I > only print out whole sheets. I don't think you need worry Brian. I use a Calligraph (Data Products) Laser to produce labels. I often only print one label at a time until the sheet is used. At the same time I do not use !Impact's Label Print because this works in columns down then across. I find the only safe way is to print the bottom row of labels first so that the laser is not feeding blank backing sheet until it has got past the bottom of the existing unused labels. I use a template with not linked frames which are aranged to match the 21 to a sheet 38 x 74mm address labels. I use Viking labels which are about 1/3 the cost of Avery and come boxed and bagged. The labels have rounded corners so peeling is not a problem. I just copy and paste the address from the letter to the template frame which corresponds to the last remaining label on the sheet and print. This works for me even if there is only one label remaining on the very top line. Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 19:23:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103567 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 19:23:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936728175:10:19823:51; Tue, 07 Sep 99 18:16:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109957; 7 Sep 99 18:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA07820 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:00:14 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA07815 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:00:12 +0100 Received: from p97.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.225] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11OPVo-0003V2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 18:58:33 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:43:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 18:44:21 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > Many thanks for all the suggestions about Postscript printing (and thanks, > Jack, for the firm in Bath; I have pointed my son at them). David's trick with > editing the PDF file seems to have worked, at least in that I get a printout > file appearing on the hard disc. However, this spawns two more questions. Can > any kind person out there remind me: > > 2) What M$DO$ file extension do I give the printout, if James continues to use > a non-Acorn printing firm? The printout file can be called what you want, but needs a '.ps' extension (probably /ps on your acorn disk). David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 21:27:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103582 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 21:27:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936735191:10:01644:24; Tue, 07 Sep 99 20:13:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120733; 7 Sep 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA08143 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:57:48 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA08138 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:57:43 +0100 Received: from modem-50.argon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.178] helo=lcessford) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ORMi-0006rb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:57:18 +0100 Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 19:53:43 +0100 From: Alex Cessford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Try this Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Fri 03 Sep, dmorrell wrote: > > In message > > P Hutton wrote: Not sure why I bothered to try this, but ........... > > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > > > continuous dotted line. > > > Do you: > > > a. Get a constantly growing line? > > > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > > > of seconds after you have released the key? My computer voted..... *a*, every time. This when trying StrongEd 4.60b6, Edit 1.54, PendownPlus 1.54, OvPro 2.52, Impression Junior 1.19.. Also Using a RISCPC 600 SA, stacks of memory -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 22:44:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103596 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 22:44:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936737287:10:21946:26; Tue, 07 Sep 99 20:48:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021897; 7 Sep 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA08252 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:31:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08247 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:31:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.69.108) [193.149.69.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ORtJ-00013N-00; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:30:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:21:30 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: EPS Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (11:44:40 +0100), steveno@lx.student.wau.nl wrote: >Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which >you can view in PC programs. How exactly would I print to a PDF file? Would this be using !Taborca? If so, how do I get the file to !Taborca? As a Postscript file...? Is !Taborca going to be available to non-RO4 OSes? I'm sorry if this seems like a lot of Qs, but I'm not really up on !Taborca... -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 7 22:44:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103600 for opro ; Tue, 07 Sep 99 22:44:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936740059:20:25099:24; Tue, 07 Sep 99 21:34:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024788; 7 Sep 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA08459 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:23 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA08454 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:17:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 12403 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 21:16:52 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 21:16:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 21632 invoked from network); 7 Sep 1999 21:01:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.244) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 1999 21:01:51 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 1999 19:21:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Bleed Problem To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 05 Sep, pherring@tkis.qld.edu.au wrote: > OP 2.52 > > I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm > doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - Printerchoices > from the default 8505 to 17010 to get 6mm? nothing changes. > The fit option however changes the percentage when bleed is > ticked but printing an A4 page with a graphic covering the > whole page to fit A4 or even an A5 page to centred on A4 > makes no difference. I'm printing with the Level 2 > Postscript Driver (Printers 1.53) - the Printing Bureau that > I sent the PS file to said they couldn't seen the trim marks > either. When I print to a HP Laser 4MP everything seems fine > except for the lack of a bleed?? > What weight are the trim marks? If set to fine (or hairline) that prints at one dot wide at the printer resolution - plenty of size on a 300dpi printer, OK at 600dpi, invisible at 1270 or higher of an imagesetter. Can't help with the bleed problem - never used it in OPro. -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 02:54:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103629 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:54:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936755233:10:00690:18; Wed, 08 Sep 99 01:47:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112082; 8 Sep 99 1:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA08906 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:29:15 +0100 Received: from ambience.com.au (townsville.ambience.com.au [203.46.3.71]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA08901 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:29:10 +0100 From: Received: from [202.76.138.129] (account ) by ambience.com.au (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.1b9) with HTTP id 892587 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:55:32 +1000 Subject: Re: Bleed Problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.1b9 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:55:32 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103468@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for your reply. I have tired printing A4 with bleed to custom/oversize A4 and even to A3 centred with no bleed showing. I have edited the !choices files 8505 for 3mm bleed to 17100 with no change either. Thanks, Paul On Tue, 07 Sep 99 02:14:21 GMT opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I can't get the bleed option to work. The default 3mm > >doesn't work and even if I change !Choices - > Printerchoices > > Hmm. AFAIK bleed does work. The main danger I'd forsee is > that > the printer margins are too small for the bleed to have > an effect. > > You can't print A4+bleed on an A4 printer at 100% and see > the bleed. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, > Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email > majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the > message Paul Herring HOD IT The Kooralbyn International School Ogilvie Pl., Kooralbyn Qld 4285 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:35:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103634 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:35:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936756640:10:09762:21; Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127548; 8 Sep 99 2:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09007 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09002 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OWwc-0002Uz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:54:42 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:01:40 GMT Message-Id: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: EPS Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What chances of one going the other way, then, as a way of exporting to PCs at >work? It would be a very welcome addition! Werl this has been discussed here before. My arguments against it are that its a lot of work for small benefit - all you gain is the difference between OPro PS and the PS you can get now from the printer drivers. Also what everyone really is after is more compatible PS, but thats not to say they all want compatability with the same program. However the perceived lack of any hope of fixes to the printer drivers, and thoughts of cross platform versions of OPro increase the chances slightly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:35:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103639 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:35:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936777206:10:03795:25; Wed, 08 Sep 99 07:53:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003737; 8 Sep 99 7:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09710 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:36:53 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09705 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:36:51 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA23846 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:36:20 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <37D61279.EF02A8F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 08:38:33 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. References: <103474@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > Its my experience that a lot of copies of !Printers have been upgraded > and installed so much they are broken. So rainy day entertainment is to > delete all the bits from all the places they are put, and have just current > copy of Printers. > My copy of printers seem to get it self into a muddle every few print runs. Is there an easy way to spring clean my system. (A3010 4 megs 320 M HD)? -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2730/2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:36:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103642 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:35:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936789996:10:23933:38; Wed, 08 Sep 99 11:26:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023794; 8 Sep 99 11:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10393 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:30:15 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10388 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:30:13 +0100 Received: from p22.nas2.is4.u-net.net ([195.102.198.150] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11Ofs7-00058W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:26:39 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:04:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 11:05:30 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201bef9d2$68af2630$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > > > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > > > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. > > Err, well I didn't write that - I think David G did, but I do agree with the > point. PDF is designed primarily as a machine-read format after all. > > > Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be > impossible > > to edit PDFs. > > Quoting from the docs, Acrobat 4 allows you to edit individual PDF graphic > objects, such as line art, images, or text blocks, using Adobe Photoshop, > Adobe Illustrator, and other applications that can read and write PDF files > directly. You can also "touch up" text directly in Acrobat 4 (i.e. make > minor changes in-situ). It does work quite neatly, but it still doesn't help > Acorn-only people without access to Acrobat! > We've been doing quite a lot of PDF work for clients recently: we design and originate material on the Risc PC, bring it together in Ovation Pro and then transfer the postscript to Distiller. So we have developed quite a good sense of what you can do once the publication is in PDF format. Unfortunately, in real world jobs, you need more than Acrobat to be able to alter text: if you have used non 'base 14' fonts (the sort that are built in to Acrobat and postscript printers) then you will almost certainly need a few third party plug-ins for Acrobat (this is true for even for Acrobat 4). To equip yourself properly with an Acrobat publishing set-up, you will probably have to spend a few hundred pounds on plug-ins. In fact, we are currently evaluating a 'plug-in' which costs $2,500. This puts the cost of Ovation Pro into some kind of perspective! However, we have reverted back to Distiller 3 from version 4. (Version 4 handles level 3 postscript and outputs PDF 1.3. The Acorn drivers do not produce level 3 postscript, and there some compatablity issues with PDF 1.3.) On the whole, though, we have been very pleased with the workflow we have now developed, using Ovation Pro and transferring work to Acrobat on a PC/Mac. But if an author provided us with material in PDF we would just have to strip out all the ascii text and start again. (Oh, another plug-in is needed to do that properly!) David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:36:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103632 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936756583:20:12120:33; Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:09:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116815; 8 Sep 99 2:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA09014 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09009 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:55:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OWwe-0002Uz-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:54:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:01:43 GMT Message-Id: <103619@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News - articles on writing applets on web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Due to the munificence of Beebug, Tony Howats series of three articles on how to write OvationPro applets which originally appeared in Risc User in 1998 is available from the url; http://pilling.users.netlink.co.uk/ovationpro/filelib/files/ruart.zip The archive contains OvationPro documents and the applets. Thanks also go to Richard Hallas (editor of Risc User at that time). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:37:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103646 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:37:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936778484:20:17698:28; Wed, 08 Sep 99 08:14:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104434; 8 Sep 99 8:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA09802 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:57:49 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk (elslonexc001.epress.co.uk [194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09797 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:57:48 +0100 Received: by ELSLONEXC001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:56:35 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:49:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be impossible to edit PDFs. We have a growing problem with authors who think they're being helpful by submitting their articles in PDF because they've heard all this hype about how portable the format is. Sometimes, we actually end up scanning and OCRing the text in order to be able to do something with it, which isn't fun! In an attempt to keep this thread on topic, I'd love to see the EPS import applet finished - real-world jobs will often involve EPS graphics from Illustrator and similar. Presumably, this will convert the EPS either to Draw/Artworks/Vantage or to a sprite? Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep the vector information if at all possible... Living in hope, John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:37:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103647 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:37:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936779114:20:25975:108; Wed, 08 Sep 99 08:25:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026057; 8 Sep 99 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09859 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:41 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09854 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:09:39 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FHQ0076NEN616@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:09:08 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:11:51 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: EPS Applet In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <152c413e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > On Tue 7 Sep 1999 (11:44:40 +0100), steveno@lx.student.wau.nl wrote: > >Well Taborca is supposed to do that. You just print to a PDF file which > >you can view in PC programs. > > How exactly would I print to a PDF file? Would this be using !Taborca? If > so, how do I get the file to !Taborca? As a Postscript file...? Is !Taborca > going to be available to non-RO4 OSes? > With the risk of talking crap: It is a printerdriver, so you print with the Taborca printer to a file. This file happens to be PDF. So you don't need to hassle with any other program. Just hit the print button. IIRC there will be a taborca-ish available for non RISC OS 4. But again I haven't seen it working yet so this is only from what i've been told, and then from memory. > I'm sorry if this seems like a lot of Qs, but I'm not really up on > !Taborca... Almost no one is yet :( -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 13:37:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103648 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 13:37:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936779557:20:01948:25; Wed, 08 Sep 99 08:32:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001851; 8 Sep 99 8:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09913 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:17:16 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09908 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:17:14 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14199 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:16:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA27377 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:16:41 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bef9d2$68af2630$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. Err, well I didn't write that - I think David G did, but I do agree with the point. PDF is designed primarily as a machine-read format after all. > Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be impossible > to edit PDFs. Quoting from the docs, Acrobat 4 allows you to edit individual PDF graphic objects, such as line art, images, or text blocks, using Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, and other applications that can read and write PDF files directly. You can also "touch up" text directly in Acrobat 4 (i.e. make minor changes in-situ). It does work quite neatly, but it still doesn't help Acorn-only people without access to Acrobat! Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 15:12:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103664 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 15:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936795292:10:05720:37; Wed, 08 Sep 99 12:54:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005472; 8 Sep 99 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA10618 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:34:54 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10613 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:34:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ogva-000Mn1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 12:34:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 02:59:13 GMT Message-Id: <103630@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has done what I >think it has done? The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at www.acornusers.org/ghostscript David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 16:48:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103668 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 16:48:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936802933:20:00431:48; Wed, 08 Sep 99 15:02:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000891; 8 Sep 99 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA10913 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:13:52 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA10908 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:13:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OiSR-000BPE-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:12:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 14:39:28 GMT Message-Id: <103653@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: PDF and EPS X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'd love to see the EPS import applet finished - real-world jobs will often >involve EPS graphics from Illustrator and similar. Presumably, this will >convert the EPS either to Draw/Artworks/Vantage or to a sprite? NO! not at all. >Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep the vector information if at all possible... What it does is embed the EPS in the OPro document, you get the low res preview bit map (which is often built into EPS files) on screen. And when you print to a PS printer, the EPS gets dumped out to it. Print to a bit map printer and I guess it will have to render the low res preview. This is broadly what Impression (or Quark for that matter) does now. The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look at GhostScript... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 19:14:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103688 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:14:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936813837:20:18320:17; Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:03:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124699; 8 Sep 99 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11323 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:20 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11318 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:19 +0100 From: Received: from modem-82.zoloft.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.82] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OlcE-0008KL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:34:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 20:56:34 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA11319 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB11323 Dear colleagues, > On Fri 03 Sep, Brian O'Carroll wrote: >=20 > > It is good, I used to use this a lot with an inkjet printer. > > However, now, when using a laser printer, I'm too scared to put > > partially used label sheets through the printer too often so I=20 > > only print out whole sheets. In message Mike=A0Wilson wrote: > > I don't think you need worry Brian. I use a Calligraph (Data Product= s) > Laser to produce labels. I often only print one label at a time until > the sheet is used. At the same time I do not use !Impact's Label Print > because this works in columns down then across. I find the only safe > wa= y is to print the bottom row of labels first so that the laser is > not feeding blank backing sheet until it has got past the bottom of > the existing unused labels. >=20 Yes, I've been wondering about this one too. There is no doubt that the part of the partly-used label sheet which has had the already-printed lab= els peeled off is so thin and flimsy that the weight of the heavier un-peeled portion of the sheet, pressing down from above in a printer like the Cano= n BJ-200ex is heavy enough to crumple the flimsier part up before it feeds thru the printer. However, we can still print the sheet successfully if we go about it the right way. Suppose my first print is of 9 labels, and I'm using Avery 21-label sheets, 7 rows of 3 labels each. 9 labels have used up almost h= alf the sheet, labels 1-9, i.e. the first 6 rows or labels. Then let's say I have a series of penny numbers to print off, say 4, then 2, then 3, etc. = Well, provided I always put first downwards into the printer the complete unprinted edge of the sheet, with 3 unprinted labels, it will work, as th= e part that has had the labels peeled off is uppermost. We must always mak= e sure that the labels to print on that sheet are the LAST labels on the sheet. So the 4 to print will be in positions 18, 19, 20 and 21 on the sheet. Then we print the 2, and they'll be nos.16 and 17, then 3, nos.13= , 14, 15. I think it will always work without problem provided the un-peel= ed part of the sheet is bottommost, and provided you can count successfully = to work out which labels to tell it to print on. I reckon that will work. Or have I missed something? Best wishes, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT;=20 Phone: 0115 922 4930=20 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 19:14:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103690 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:14:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936814005:20:21389:36; Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:06:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021192; 8 Sep 99 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11317 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:16 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11311 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:35:14 +0100 From: Received: from modem-82.zoloft.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.82] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11OlcD-0008KL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:34:37 +0100 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:26:02 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem changing chapter ?? Message-ID: <4dec683e49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906161142.MAA21634@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am typing into a document based on my default master pages. an A4 portrait sheet with smallish margins. I want to change, part-way through the document, into a format of 2 narrowish columns per page, and then several pages later I need to turn back to the original format. How do i do this? I have tried insert new chapter. I set up two frames to make the columns, and set the text flow from the left to the right one, but then when I get to the bottom of the right-hand frame I cannot go on to a further page of the same format. Can you help me set this up properly> Many thanks, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 21:07:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103700 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 21:07:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936816254:20:25364:17; Wed, 08 Sep 99 18:44:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102833; 8 Sep 99 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11484 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:22:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11479 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:22:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11OmLU-000Mrp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:21:24 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:18:24 GMT Message-Id: <103693@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem changing chapter ?? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have tried insert new chapter. I set up two frames to make the columns, >and set the text flow from the left to the right one, but then when I get to >the bottom of the right-hand frame I cannot go on to a further page of the >same format. Two things firstly, don't set up columns by hand. Just go to the default master frame, select it, use modify object and set the number of columns. If you do want to create your own columns, then on the master pages, create the frames, link them together, then link the last frame to the first. This creates an auto linked chain, so that in the document pages will automatically be added. See the 2.46 release notes for more... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 8 22:12:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103708 for opro ; Wed, 08 Sep 99 22:12:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936822305:10:19855:21; Wed, 08 Sep 99 20:25:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111860; 8 Sep 99 20:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA11854 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:08:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11849 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:08:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Oo0A-0000pc-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:07:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 99 19:25:23 GMT Message-Id: <103695@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: An idiot's question about printing firms. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >My copy of printers seem to get it self into a muddle every few >print runs. Is there an easy way to spring clean my system. (A3010 4 megs 320 >M HD)? Delete all copies of !Printers, and !Boot.Choices.Printers (if you have it), set off from scratch with a new !Printers from the ftp site, and only install the things you really need or are sure work. Installing CC Turbos often corrupts !Printers, and uninstalling anything tends to either do damage or to not uninstall completely - just like a micro version of Windows really... But this isn't easy, and I'm not saying it will help. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103739 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936856432:20:00602:21; Thu, 09 Sep 99 05:53:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2126315; 9 Sep 99 5:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA12895 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:36:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA12890 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:36:34 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.128) [194.69.104.128] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11OwsA-0000lq-00; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:35:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:42:36 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has >done what I >>think it has done? > >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another look when time isn't too short. Peter. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103742 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936864472:10:09375:22; Thu, 09 Sep 99 08:07:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110574; 9 Sep 99 8:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13270 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:52:00 +0100 Received: from xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA13265 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:51:48 +0100 Received: from coms0051 (modem24.slip.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.97.123]) by xena.cs.waikato.ac.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA17329 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 19:50:55 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: Ovation ML Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 19:36:47 +1200 Subject: PDF and EPS -- and SGV??? Message-ID: <493ebc4e2ckh@waikato.ac.nz> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 08 Sep, "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" wrote: > Presumably, this will convert the EPS either to > Draw/Artworks/Vantage or to a sprite? Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep > the vector information if at all possible... Ah! Having just been browsing the W3c web-site I have come across a new Standard Graphical Vector (SVG) fromat for use in web pages. It seem to me that this is likely to take off like a rocket now that it has reached penultimate draft state. Has any-one else investigated this for illustration I/O?? Does anyone know if Vantage will handle/produce SVG files?? Keith -- City Desk Waikato University [PGP key available if desired] -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103743 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936861040:20:28862:40; Thu, 09 Sep 99 07:10:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109446; 9 Sep 99 7:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA13082 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:51:00 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA13077 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 06:50:59 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.39]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA10888 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:36:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:49:44 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro hanging Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Last night when trying to complete an urgent document, I found frustratingly that OvPro would occasionally hang. I'm using the latest version under RO4, and the document I was preparing was fairly simple - a plain/default front page/chapter, the second chapter with a header and footer frame where all the typing was taking place (no other frames/graphics)consisting of around 3.5K words over 12 pages, and a blank plain chapter 3 (inherited from a previous document with the appropriate layout/styles). When I tried to delete this last blank page/chapter, nothing seemed to happen. If I entered text into it, wondering if it would make a difference, it didn't. However, backspacing to delete the chars back into the last line of the previous page/chapter hung the program. Saving out as DDL and reloading resurrected this last blank chapter and the problem persisted. This happened several times over the evening when I was working around this area of the document. Saving the document every minute or so mitigated the effect and clamed me down a little! Any ideas/suggestions? If I get some time, I'll edit the DDL to remove the last blank page (if I can figure that out) and see how things go. -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:50:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103748 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936861515:20:02685:32; Thu, 09 Sep 99 07:18:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118894; 9 Sep 99 7:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA13139 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:03:39 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA13134 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:03:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 25506 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 07:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 07:02:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 23571 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 06:55:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.140.22) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 06:55:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:24:51 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Problem changing chapter ?? To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4dec683e49%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Sep, rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am typing into a document based on my default master pages. an A4 portrait > sheet with smallish margins. I want to change, part-way through the > document, into a format of 2 narrowish columns per page, and then several > pages later I need to turn back to the original format. How do i do this? > I have tried insert new chapter. I set up two frames to make the columns, > and set the text flow from the left to the right one, but then when I get to > the bottom of the right-hand frame I cannot go on to a further page of the > same format. > > Can you help me set this up properly> > You're nearly there. You need to edit the master page for chapter 2 to have 2 columns with the gutter you want, instead of adding frames onto the document page. The text should then flow from column 1 to column 2 then to col 1 on the next page, etc. (Reminder - select any page of chapter 2, Ctrl-E [or menu-page-edit master ge] to edit the master page, Menu-Page-Page Guidelines. Can even do it when the text is in chapter 2 in single column) -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:51:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103751 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:51:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936865141:20:08444:42; Thu, 09 Sep 99 08:19:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008695; 9 Sep 99 8:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13336 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:00:31 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13330 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:00:29 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11Oz7Q-0004Td-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:59:44 +0000 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:56:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > We've been doing quite a lot of PDF work for clients recently: we > design and originate material on the Risc PC, bring it together > in Ovation Pro and then transfer the postscript to Distiller. So > we have developed quite a good sense of what you can do once the > publication is in PDF format. Unfortunately, in real world jobs, > you need more than Acrobat to be able to alter text: if you have > used non 'base 14' fonts (the sort that are built in to Acrobat > and postscript printers) then you will almost certainly need a > few third party plug-ins for Acrobat (this is true for even for > Acrobat 4). To equip yourself properly with an Acrobat publishing > set-up, you will probably have to spend a few hundred pounds on > plug-ins. In fact, we are currently evaluating a 'plug-in' which > costs $2,500. This puts the cost of Ovation Pro into some kind of > perspective! However, we have reverted back to Distiller 3 from > version 4. (Version 4 handles level 3 postscript and outputs PDF > 1.3. The Acorn drivers do not produce level 3 postscript, and > there some compatablity issues with PDF 1.3.) Did you evaluate NikNak PDF Creator by Five-D, UK? There's a demo version on their site. The font-handling is in a sense better than Acrobat does. 50% cheaper than Acrobat too. It works somewhat different and maybe you don't need one or more plugins that way. I'm using it for some weeks now and it is good for what I do. www.five-d.com There's a German site with a list of PDF/PS software, plugins etc. Good information and price indications. Actino Software GmbH in Hamburg Don't have the URL here, probably www.actino.de How do you cope with the bitmap mask conversion of the Acorn PS driver? Line thickness variations in the final PDF file are no problem as you do the conversion in Acrobat. I'm afraid that Taborca may use the Acorn PS driver and will not solve the inabilities of that driver. To add to the list of PDF software on PCs: CorelDraw 9 has good PDF support now. Im- and Export and some editing. Is EPS still better in colour control because it allows the inclusion of ICC profiles? Not something to worry about with Acorn file export. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 13:51:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103747 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 13:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936867107:10:13788:30; Thu, 09 Sep 99 08:51:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012818; 9 Sep 99 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA13537 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:23:51 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk (elslonexc001.epress.co.uk [194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA13531 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:23:49 +0100 Received: by ELSLONEXC001 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:22:20 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: PDF and EPS Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:14:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: "Nick Kaijaks" > > John Pettigrew wrote: > > > Nick Kaijaks wrote: > > > Another caveat: ...[PDF] is *not* suitable as a wordprocessor > > > exchange standard like rtf. Editing pdf files after they have > > > been distilled is not a job for the weak-hearted. > > Err, well I didn't write that - I think David G did, but I do > agree with the > point. PDF is designed primarily as a machine-read format after all. Oops. Excess snipping strikes again. Sorry to both Nick and Dave Graddol (for I've checked and it was indeed he who wrote that). > > Amen to that. In fact, unless you have Acrobat, it appears to be > impossible > > to edit PDFs. > > Quoting from the docs, Acrobat 4 allows you to edit > individual PDF graphic objects... But that's my point - you have to have Acrobat in order to edit PDFs. Lots of things can read them but not many can edit them, especially the text. In my employers' infinite wisdom, they've not got any copies of Acrobat (only the reader), which leaves us in a bit of a mess. > >I'd love to see the EPS import applet finished... > >Needless to say, I'd prefer to keep the vector information > >if at all possible. > > What it does is embed the EPS in the OPro document, you get > the low res preview bit map (which is often built into EPS files) on screen. > And when you print to a PS printer, the EPS gets dumped out to it. > > The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, > would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look > at GhostScript... Fair enough. That sounds like a good reason to invest in a Postscript printer to me! OTOH, it means I'll have to buy Vantage in order to be able to edit Illustrator EPSs, but then I was probably going to anyway :-) John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 18:40:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103786 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 18:40:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936890626:10:20592:21; Thu, 09 Sep 99 15:23:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020469; 9 Sep 99 15:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14380 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:55:31 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14375 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:55:29 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem1380.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.133.100]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA19381; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:54:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:56:02 +0100 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" cc: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" , "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, The PDF-reader !PDF desgned by Leo Smiers (Dutch programmer) gives the possibility (unless the designers of the PDF-document have sealed it off for copyright reasons) to save in Draw, Postscript, PDF and Text format. Have a look at: http://people.a2000.nl/lsmiers/index.html Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Let op! Nieuw tel. & faxnummer! Tel. +31(0)70 307 2040 Fax: +31(0)70 307 2050 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail: ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail: avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail: info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 18:41:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103792 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 18:41:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936896649:10:22953:47; Thu, 09 Sep 99 17:04:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102053; 9 Sep 99 17:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA14630 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:35 +0100 Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14625 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:41:34 +0100 Received: from happy.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.58]) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11P7FZ-0003kq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 27793 invoked from network); 9 Sep 1999 16:41:02 -0000 Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk (HELO ltsun0.le.ac.uk) (root@143.210.36.50) by happy.star.le.ac.uk with SMTP; 9 Sep 1999 16:41:02 -0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk by ltsun0.le.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:38 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Space Research Centre, Leicester University, UK X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAA14626 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id QAB14630 On Thu 09 Sep, Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > The PDF-reader !PDF desgned by Leo Smiers (Dutch programmer) gives the > possibility (unless the designers of the PDF-document have sealed it of= f > for copyright reasons) to save in Draw, Postscript, PDF and Text format. How successful this is really depends on the source document used to crea= te the PDF. I've had awful problems with some docs, especially when the sour= ce was LaTeX, I think. --=20 Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.= uk Space Research Centre, http://www.src.le.ac.u= k/ Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 10= 39 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 24= 64 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.u= k/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 19:20:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103803 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 19:20:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936899798:10:01151:30; Thu, 09 Sep 99 17:56:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001258; 9 Sep 99 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14780 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:41:00 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA14775 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:40:58 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.222]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA19203 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:40:05 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum References: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This problem seems to be applet related as it goes away if I don't load any applets. I also found I could release OvPro from its 'hang' by CTRL-ESC which terminates the troublesome script - but which script? Any way of this telling me which script it's stopped? -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 9 23:20:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103833 for opro ; Thu, 09 Sep 99 23:20:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936913340:10:13785:107; Thu, 09 Sep 99 21:42:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016332; 9 Sep 99 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15326 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:24:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15321 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:24:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PBf3-00059c-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:23:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Sep 99 21:58:12 GMT Message-Id: <103830@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is probably one to cut out and keep... --------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ In recent weeks I've had a rash of complaints about spot colours in Artworks files not working correctly. The bottom line seems to be that CC's rendering code uses one 32 bit word for 8 bits of flags and 24 bits of address information. The address being in the middle of the AW file in memory. The trouble occurs if the address of the AW file is too big. In that case the address overflows into the flags, and what should be flagged as a spot isn't etc. OvationPro uses dynamic areas for storing documents, the addresses of these can become very large, large enough to overflow the address bits allocated in the CC code. Normally when a dynamic area is set up its maximum size is specified, and normally applications make that max size equal to all the memory in the machine, just in case you ask them to use that much. This means that on a machine with a lot of memory, the addresses of dynamic areas increase quickly. What can you do about this? Try to run OPro before lots of other programs that set up dynamic areas. There are some small programs around that will limit the size applications claim for the max dynamic area size - you can then set things up so that e.g. SparkFS only gets 4Mb whilst OPro can claim a slot as big as all the memory in the machine. I suspect that fixing this would involve no more than splitting up the 32 bit word. However Computer Concepts tell me they are not going to do the work. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 02:48:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103849 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 02:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936923774:10:05410:16; Fri, 10 Sep 99 00:36:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100673; 10 Sep 99 0:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA15655 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:19:30 +0100 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15650 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:19:29 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem3137.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.140.65]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA23590; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:18:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:18:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: RE: PDF and EPS To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" cc: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" , Liam Gretton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAA15651 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id AAB15655 On Thu 09 Sep, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Thu 09 Sep, Andr=E9 van den Berg wrote: > How successful this is really depends on the source document used to cr= eate > the PDF. I've had awful problems with some docs, especially when the so= urce > was LaTeX, I think. Well, I usually receive docs in a sort of 'standard' format and when I sa= ve it in Draw I even get the pictures as highres sprites. The text is in 'isola= ted' Draw format but I save that from PDF-reader in Editformat, onto the Hd, settyp= e as text and Impression has no problems. It seems that when the options ar= e 'greyed out' the document is unalterable because the sender didn't want i= t to be changed. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andr=E9 van den Berg,=20 ecdbv@xs4all.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103862 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936955780:10:28306:25; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:29:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118117; 10 Sep 99 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16662 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:15 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16655 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:13 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s41-201-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.201]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:55:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: RE: PDF and EPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103653@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, > would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look > at GhostScript... > Well of course one might contemplate writing a ghostscript renderer which produced Draw files. In principle this should be easier than a rasterizer, but I don't know how much support ghostscript has for vector grahics output. However I understood that Alternative Publishing were working on a new postscript interpreter. I don't know how far they have got. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103863 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936955793:10:28463:25; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:29:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027310; 10 Sep 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16653 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:11 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16648 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:10 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s41-201-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.201]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:08:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Sep, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has > >done what I > >>think it has done? > > > >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn > >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at > >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > > > > Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another look when > time isn't too short. > > Peter. > Actually it s not as hard as it looks, but you need to set up TaskObey files to do what you want. I produce a high resolution bitmap using the following TaskObey wimpslot 28640k gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pcxmono -r600x600 -sOutputFile=Pages.page%%02d SCSI::SCSIdisc.$.DTP.Uni.Admin.OSIRIS.EPSRCrepor where you need a directory Pages for the output (in the CSD) and the last item is the input file. The output is 600 dpi monochrome pcx - I have found this gives the best results. You wil need ImageFS to use these directly - drag them to the icon to set the file type. However if you don't have ImageFS I guess ChangeFSI will convert them. Then I dump each bitmap page into a preprepared Ovation frame to print it. Mail me privately if you want more help. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103864 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936955987:10:01036:20; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:33:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000112; 10 Sep 99 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16667 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:19 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16661 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:11:15 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s41-201-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.201]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:42:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re:Taborca (was EPS Applet) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <152c413e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 08 Sep, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message > andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > > > With the risk of talking crap: It is a printerdriver, so you print with the > Taborca printer to a file. This file happens to be PDF. So you don't need to > hassle with any other program. Just hit the print button. > I just upgraded to RO4 yesterday, and was looking forward to trying Taborca but I can't find it. It doesn't seem to be in the bundled software, the Install Disc or the supplied printer drivers. Am I missing something, or does it have to be obtained from somewhere else? Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103865 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936957321:10:16686:17; Fri, 10 Sep 99 09:55:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111109; 10 Sep 99 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16863 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:35:49 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16858 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:35:45 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02864 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:33:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA00833; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:31:22 +0100 Message-ID: <37D8D171.7920B33C@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:37:53 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: PDF and EPS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Ellacott wrote: > Well of course one might contemplate writing a ghostscript renderer which > produced Draw files. In principle this should be easier than a > rasterizer, but I don't know how much support ghostscript has for vector > grahics output. You're quite right, a draw file renderer could be considered for ghostscript, though it wouldn't be easier than a rasterizer. I think implementing clipping paths would be one of the hardest things to deal with without a lot of extra development. Drawfiles have no concept of this (hence lack of support in !PDF as well, I believe). Ghostscript has support for vector graphics, it can handle PS and PDF afterall. Devices are free to handle vector shapes by themselves, or output rasterized data. Delving deeper, it looks like the only way of taking advantage of the built in clipping is to output to a rasterized image. I wonder if Cerilica Vantage can deal with such things, that might make vector output from ghostscript for Risc OS easier to develop. Sprite output would be relatively simple to implement, based upon one of the many existing image output formats. Graham. -- Sharp Laboratories of Europe, Switchboard: +44-(0)1865-747711 Oxford Science Park, Fax: +44-(0)1865-714217 Oxford, OX4 4GB England Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103867 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936957869:10:23589:17; Fri, 10 Sep 99 10:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100704; 10 Sep 99 10:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16907 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:45:55 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16902 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:45:53 +0100 Received: from lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk ([130.88.24.57]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 11PNEl-0001PY-00; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:44:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:44:20 +0100 From: Roger Noble Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave Symes wrote: > Ovation Pro was continually being destroyed by a Type=5 error... I'm dead. > > The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like RO4... > Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. > > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > problem? I will take a look when I install RO4. I don't know if it has arrived yet, I am out of the country until late this evening ... actually I will take a look even if I haven't got RO4 yet, if the applet is killing OP when it starts up it should be in a fairly limited area of code. Cheers, Roger Noble -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103868 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936958026:10:25460:17; Fri, 10 Sep 99 10:07:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025322; 10 Sep 99 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16942 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:49:55 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16937 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:49:49 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA03003 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:47:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA01291; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:45:26 +0100 Message-ID: <37D8D4BD.991832E2@sharp.co.uk> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:57 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Ellacott wrote: > Actually it s not as hard as it looks, but you need to set up TaskObey > files to do what you want. I produce a high resolution bitmap using the > following TaskObey > > wimpslot 28640k > gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=pcxmono -r600x600 > -sOutputFile=Pages.page%%02d > SCSI::SCSIdisc.$.DTP.Uni.Admin.OSIRIS.EPSRCr > > where you need a directory Pages for the output (in the CSD) and the last > item is the input file. This could also be done by using the ps2pcx script as follows: ps2pcx -r600 InputFile/ps Pages.page%02d though this would give colour output. You may find that adding -sDEVICE=pcxmono after -r600 will change the device (I can't check at the moment). Alternatively copy the ps2pcx script and change the device in there. It saves having to remember the 'batch' and 'pause' bits and pieces. You could then type the command in a taskwindow, or create a simpler TaskObey file for each job. > The output is 600 dpi monochrome pcx - I have found this gives the best > results. The quality of output can be improved, when using the pcx devices (mono and colour) by adding -dTextAlphaBits=4 to the command line - this uses a simple anti-aliasing algorithm to smooth the edges of the text. Graham. -- Sharp Laboratories of Europe, Switchboard: +44-(0)1865-747711 Oxford Science Park, Fax: +44-(0)1865-714217 Oxford, OX4 4GB England Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:49:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103869 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:49:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936958722:10:03768:25; Fri, 10 Sep 99 10:18:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003256; 10 Sep 99 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16995 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:52:18 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16990 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:52:16 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11PNKv-0003E9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 10:51:21 +0100 Subject: Re: Taborca (was EPS Applet) Message-ID: <493f4c75d7C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <152c413e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > I just upgraded to RO4 yesterday, and was looking forward to trying > Taborca but I can't find it. It doesn't seem to be in the bundled > software, the Install Disc or the supplied printer drivers. > Am I missing something, or does it have to be obtained from somewhere > else? I believe RISC OS Ltd made an announcement a while back saying that Taborca was still under development, and would be made available at a later date. I haven't heard any updates on this. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 13:50:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103873 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:50:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936949082:20:03635:16; Fri, 10 Sep 99 07:38:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002115; 10 Sep 99 7:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA16349 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:20:23 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16344 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 07:20:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 21442 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 07:19:23 -0000 Received: from userl265.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.74.78) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 07:19:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 08:12:52 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> References: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just upgraded my machine to RO4 and obviously had to reinstall****** Ovation Pro... What a pain in the bum that was... Ovation Pro was continually being destroyed by a Type=5 error... I'm dead. The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like RO4... Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this problem? Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 14:47:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103898 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 14:47:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936969185:20:21033:813; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:13:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2104890; 10 Sep 99 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17472 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:05:42 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17467 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:05:41 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id NAA27453 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:04:40 +0200 (METDST) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:06:13 +0200 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: PDF and EPS and PS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199909100811.JAA16683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 10 Sep, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 09:55:26 +0000 (GMT) > From: Steve Ellacott > Subject: Re: RE: PDF and EPS > > On Wed 08 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > The alternative intepretation which everyone always seems to want, > > would mean writing a PS interpreter, which is a big job, have a look > > at GhostScript... > > > Well of course one might contemplate writing a ghostscript renderer which > produced Draw files. In principle this should be easier than a rasterizer, > but I don't know how much support ghostscript has for vector grahics output. > > However I understood that Alternative Publishing were working on a new > postscript interpreter. I don't know how far they have got. > In fact such an application already existst: Riscript Pro. Soon there will be a major upgrade to this package (before the october show). Riscript Pro (3.5) reads PS, PDF, EPS(vantage). and converts to draw or PDF, So it is a sort of distiller for the acorn, like ghostscript, but better. the latest version is currently alpha, but if you convert normal postscript/pdf everything works fine. The program also converts fonts embedded in postscript-files to RISC OS outline fonts. does a nice job and is faster then !pdf in pdf reading Maarten Ottens -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 14:47:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103899 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 14:47:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936969423:20:23158:809; Fri, 10 Sep 99 13:17:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017324; 10 Sep 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17575 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:19:34 +0100 Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17570 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 11:19:32 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.60]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAC4A83 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:17:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:02:33 +0100 Subject: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: <493f587919delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <37D91A88.4ACC@net.ntl.com> <37D9B2F5.45C7@net.ntl.com> <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > problem? Yes, and not only !Content. I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran happily under RISC OS 4. (I planned to mail a list of those applets, but I didn't, and now I forgot their names - always having used only a few of them, really). Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 18:34:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103904 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:34:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936980939:20:11134:525; Fri, 10 Sep 99 16:28:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125955; 10 Sep 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18092 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:00:44 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18087 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:00:43 +0100 Received: from p65.nas4.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.193] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11PREG-00066f-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:00:41 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:47:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 14:48:43 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems Message-ID: <2331623f49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103830@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > This is probably one to cut out and keep... > > --------------------------------8<------------------------------------------ > > In recent weeks I've had a rash of complaints about spot colours > in Artworks files not working correctly. > > > What can you do about this? > > Try to run OPro before lots of other programs that set up dynamic areas. > I gather Microlaser Designs contacted you about a problem with spot colours thrown up during a job they were running for us this week. I was told on the phone that their work-around was to rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the problem is less acute with only 32MB? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 19:38:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103934 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 19:38:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936987872:10:12844:24; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:24:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123044; 10 Sep 99 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18525 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:52 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18520 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:05:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 32322 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 18:04:47 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 18:04:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 21251 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 18:01:26 -0000 Received: from 09.hiper01.shef.dialup.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.142.9) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 18:01:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:09:36 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 08 Sep, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has > >done what I > >>think it has done? > > > >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn > >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at > >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript > > > > Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another look when > time isn't too short. > > Peter. > > I have an old PD version of Riscript which will display a postscript file on screen (yes I have checked PS from Acorn's driver) which would do for checking the page is as you intend. It is a WIMP program with a reasonable desktop front end, quite a bit easier than ghostscript which I have never worked out. I can ARCFS-it and send a copy if you would like. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 20:13:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103941 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:13:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936989620:10:03053:16; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:53:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111449; 10 Sep 99 18:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18682 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18676 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:30 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PVZ4-000OfV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:38:26 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 99 19:06:27 GMT Message-Id: <103923@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I gather Microlaser Designs contacted you about a problem >with spot colours thrown up during a job they were running for us >this week. I was told on the phone that their work-around was to >rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the >problem is less acute with only 32MB? Yes, thats what I hinted at in my message. Very crudely, if you have 10 dynamic areas on a machine with 32Mb, the highest address is likely to be 10 * 32 = 320Mb. On a machine with 128Mb, the highest address would be 10 * 128 = 1280Mb. Note these are static addresses, they don't depend on if anything has actually used any memory or is going to. In the last case if OPro is the 11'th program to start its area address starts at 1280Mb. - regardless of if the preceding 10 programs have used 128Mb of memory or used 0 bytes. (in real life DA's don't start at zero, and there's a gap in the address space, so things are worse than the above example) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 20:14:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103944 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:14:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936989532:20:25790:19; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:52:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025642; 10 Sep 99 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18629 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:36:56 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA18624 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:36:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 21614 invoked from network); 10 Sep 1999 18:35:51 -0000 Received: from userm865.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.80.153) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 1999 18:35:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 19:34:22 +0100 Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: <493f7c581bdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> References: <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <1468.199909100944@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk>, Roger Noble wrote: > Dave Symes wrote: > > Ovation Pro was continually being destroyed by a Type=5 error... I'm > > dead. > > > > The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like > > RO4... Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. > > > > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > > problem? > I will take a look when I install RO4. I don't know if it has arrived > yet, I am out of the country until late this evening ... actually I will > take a look even if I haven't got RO4 yet, if the applet is killing OP > when it starts up it should be in a fairly limited area of code. > Cheers, > Roger Noble Roger, to add a little to my previos post... possibly narrow your search a little. Ov Pro will boot to the Icon Bar, but trying to open any document at all crashed Ov Pro with a type 5. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 10 20:14:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103945 for opro ; Fri, 10 Sep 99 20:14:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 936989648:20:27304:22; Fri, 10 Sep 99 18:54:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101174; 10 Sep 99 18:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18674 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18669 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PVZ2-000OfV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:38:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 99 19:06:12 GMT Message-Id: <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran happily under >RISC OS 4. >(I planned to mail a list of those applets, but I didn't, and now I forgot >their names - always having used only a few of them, really). What was that about specific error reports? ;-) On the whole though applets do work don't they? at least they do in my experience of ROS 4. I suspect there is a problem with the Impulse applet which I'm about to tackle. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103972 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:13:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937037405:10:08897:21; Sat, 11 Sep 99 08:10:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115275; 11 Sep 99 8:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA20508 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:53:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA20503 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:53:54 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Phxf-000EwC-0C; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:52:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 17:04:31 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, Paul Sprangers In-Reply-To: <493f587919delink@news.wxs.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 10 Sep, Paul Sprangers wrote: > > > Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > > problem? > > Yes, and not only !Content. > I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran happily under > RISC OS 4. > (I planned to mail a list of those applets, but I didn't, and now I forgot > their names - always having used only a few of them, really). > > Kind regards, > Paul Sprangers > Would this have anything to do with page zero? I'm no expert on these matters, but you never know it could be. -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103975 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937017249:20:26620:22; Sat, 11 Sep 99 02:34:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026546; 11 Sep 99 2:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA19959 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:18:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA19954 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:18:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PcjH-00013e-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:17:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 02:38:36 GMT Message-Id: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !Contents crash on ROS 4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Given access to a traceback of what is crashing, I reckon, this function in !Contents.Library.Contents void Contents_view_active (int user, int view, int gain) { if (view != Contents_current_view) { if(gain) // add { // add close_window (Contents_win); Contents_current_view = view; // <---- (2) Contents_current_file= filefromview(view); // <---- (1) Contents_load_document(); } // add } } should be corrected to be as above, note the new line (1) and that lines (1) and (2) have moved to be in front of Contents_load_document() instead of after it. Don't take this as gospel its just a hint, the problem is using Contents_load_document() to read dud tagged data... Over to Roger Noble to tell us the proper fix. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103974 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937039136:10:20818:18; Sat, 11 Sep 99 08:38:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020745; 11 Sep 99 8:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA20600 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:51 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA20595 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:24:49 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PiTT-000Iug-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:25:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 10:20:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: PDF and EPS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <37D8D171.7920B33C@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 10 Sep, Graham Jones wrote: > You're quite right, a draw file renderer could be considered for > ghostscript, though it wouldn't be easier than a rasterizer. I think > implementing clipping paths would be one of the hardest things to deal with > without a lot of extra development. Drawfiles have no concept of this (hence > lack of support in !PDF as well, I believe). > > Ghostscript has support for vector graphics, it can handle PS and PDF > afterall. Devices are free to handle vector shapes by themselves, or output > rasterized data. Delving deeper, it looks like the only way of taking > advantage of the built in clipping is to output to a rasterized image. > > I wonder if Cerilica Vantage can deal with such things, that might make > vector output from ghostscript for Risc OS easier to develop. > > Sprite output would be relatively simple to implement, based upon one of the > many existing image output formats. ArtWorks has clipping, Vantage must have it. I'm not so sure whether Draw is completly non-clipping in its internals. The first practical clipping software (+trapping for vector objects) on Acorns is already 7 years old (development started in 1991) but has never been sold. In fact it should still be finished a bit though I can use it without too much problems. Ferdinand Oeinck made !WClipper for vinyl cutters and silkscreen films partly on my request. He sells his other software through XAT in the Netherlands. I've often written about it to get people interested and get the writer to work on it again or to get it integrated in other software, to no avail. Nick of Vantage has seen some samples but wasn't impressed so we may expect the solution from their side I guess :-) I've written about it and showed examples or more of it to David, Nick, Martin, Jeroen, Roeland, Majid and probably more people developing graphic software. That over a period of 5 years at least. This is the last time I write about I hope. Ask David what he thinks about it. And yes it doesn't do clipping nor trapping on bitmaps or vector/bitmap boundaries like a complete clipping function should do. Anyway RiScript Pro isn't very widespread either in Acorn graphics land. It has its qualities but was too expensive I'm told. Can't understand that given the chance you might pay for film costs twice without it. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103976 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937042546:20:01922:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 09:35:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111423; 11 Sep 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20772 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:11 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20767 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:10 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-108.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.108]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06290 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:19:57 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:53:24 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RTF import/export Message-ID: <7e94833f49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6863f63b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <6863f63b49%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > > Anyone who is interested in this would also do well to look at a project I > have started called Toffee Net (was called Toffee Tree) at > http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk/toffee > Ooops. That's http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk/ToffeeNet (thanks Steve) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 13:14:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103978 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937042579:20:02051:20; Sat, 11 Sep 99 09:36:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001844; 11 Sep 99 9:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20779 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:14 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20774 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:21:12 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-108.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.108]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA06293 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 09:20:00 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:49:19 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Labels feature Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <103470@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103470@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > AFAIK the menu offers an X and Y gap, and the minimum is zero, i.e. > touching. > > 'Print setup' as with other formats that aren't fit'd or centere'd > offers an overall X and Y shift. That sounds so logical I'll have to try it again and see If I've missed the point here... :-) Thanks. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 14:44:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103994 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 14:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937055648:10:20681:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:14:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104043; 11 Sep 99 13:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21442 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:59:49 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21437 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:59:47 +0100 Received: (qmail 12474 invoked from network); 11 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0000 Received: from userl641.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.75.200) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 1999 12:58:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:59:27 +0100 Subject: Re: !Contents crash on ROS 4 Message-ID: <493fe184a8df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <493f3df343df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes wrote: [Snip] > >The Applet "!Content" Jamie Lawrence and Roger Noble doesn't like RO4. > >Removing this from my Applet set sorted the type 5 problem. > >Anyone know why "!Content" is a problem.... has anyone else had this > >problem? > >Cheers > >Dave S In article <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Given access to a traceback of what is crashing, I reckon, this > function in !Contents.Library.Contents [Snip David's modifications] > Don't take this as gospel its just a hint, the problem is using > Contents_load_document() to read dud tagged data... > Over to Roger Noble to tell us the proper fix. > David Pilling Thanks David... I've just made the above mods to a copy of !Contents and installed it back inside Ov Pro... At least Ov Pro doesn't die with a type 5 now. :-) Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 14:44:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA103995 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 14:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937055072:20:26843:17; Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:04:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119715; 11 Sep 99 13:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21389 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:50:20 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21384 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:50:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PmaW-000Iur-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 12:49:04 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 13:19:30 GMT Message-Id: <103983@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents crash on ROS 4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >ArtWorks has clipping, Vantage must have it. OPro has non-rectangular clipping too - drop a Draw file into a circular frame. >I'm not so sure whether Draw is completly non-clipping in its internals. I think the point is that RISC OS does not support irregular clipping at all. Therefore Draw does not. Put it another way there is nothing in the Draw file format that requires irregular clip. >is the last time I write about I hope. Ask David what he thinks about it. Fine, but like with trapping in general something for experts in its current form. Presumeably when you clip, you can do it in one of two ways, either take the vector objects and work out a set of clipped outlines which you render in the normal way. Or render the outlines and clip the resulting pixels. The second approach is much easier and might be looked at as cheating, but you're going to have to do it anyway for pixel objects. Really irregular clip should be built into RISC OS... I wonder what the chances of that are? Also one should mention that CC probably have done all this work in a RISCOS compatible framework already. So a simple deal between CC and ROSL could bring a big step forward. But I'll bet there's no chance of that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 22:05:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104012 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:05:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937072092:20:29526:27; Sat, 11 Sep 99 17:48:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029421; 11 Sep 99 17:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22088 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:33:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22083 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:33:01 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.116) [62.188.136.116] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Pr04-00069t-00; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:31:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:29:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 9 Sep 1999 (23:09:36 +0100), ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk wrote: >In on Wed 08 Sep, Dr P.N.Young wrote: >> On Wed 8 Sep 1999 (02:59:13), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >> > >> >>1) Where do I get GhostScript, so I can check that the printout has >> >done what I >> >>think it has done? >> > >> >The definitive guide to GhostScript (it says here) appeared in Acorn >> >Pubisher Vol 5 issue 5. That article points at >> >www.acornusers.org/ghostscript >> > >> >> Thanks; been there and it looks pretty daunting! I will have another >look when >> time isn't too short. >> >> Peter. >> >> >I have an old PD version of Riscript which will display a postscript >file on screen (yes I have checked PS from Acorn's driver) which would >do for >checking the page is as you intend. It is a WIMP program with a >reasonable desktop front end, quite a bit easier than ghostscript which >I have never >worked out. I can ARCFS-it and send a copy if you would like. Thanks; I would be delighted with this if you could send it. (Thanks for all the other comments about GhostScript, and the offers to help, but when I see the words "writing a script" I begin to think life is too short!) After thinking about GhostScript I had begun to wonder whether Riscript would be a better option, and was going to start to look for it anyway. BTW, (and this is where we came in) James' Cheltenham Town fanzine is done and going on sale tomorrow. Next edition I must get him to mention RiscOS and Ovation Pro. He does realise that it would have been a lot more difficult (not to say expensive) in Windoze :-) Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 22:05:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104017 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:05:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937081270:10:16147:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 20:21:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118110; 11 Sep 99 20:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22412 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:03 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22397 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:05:01 +0100 Received: from p82.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.210] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11PtO6-0006ya-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:04:42 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:48:58 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAA22398 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id UAB22412 pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: =20 > hanks for all > the other comments about GhostScript, and the offers to help, but when = I see > the words "writing a script" I begin to think life is too short!) After > thinking about GhostScript I had begun to wonder whether Riscript would= be a > better option, and was going to start to look for it anyway. >=20 There is a front end for Ghost Script by Martin W=FCrthner called GView which avoids all nonsense with scripts. Just drop a ps file over the iconbar icon (or double click on a postscript file) and it will be displayed in a window. I'm afraid I don't know where it came from but its Freeware. Ghostscript does take a little setting up initially - I recall I had to set up a raFS disk to cope with the long filenames it uses. And although it does some kind of job rendering postscript files it is far from comprehensive in terms of the files it can handle. David --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 23:38:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104026 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 23:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937088343:10:10295:16; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010263; 11 Sep 99 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22740 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:05:28 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22735 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:05:26 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11PvFf-000HMu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:04:07 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 23:02:06 GMT Message-Id: <104024@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Thanks; I would be delighted with this if you could send it. Ghostscript 5 and GView (which is most useful) are on the RISC OS 4 CD... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 11 23:38:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104027 for opro ; Sat, 11 Sep 99 23:38:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937087906:20:18989:17; Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:11:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122269; 11 Sep 99 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA22684 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:57:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA22679 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:56:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Pv7U-000GqF-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:55:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 99 22:46:03 GMT Message-Id: <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Impulse applet bug - ROS4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just uploaded the Impulse applet v 1.02 to the web sites. This will now work on RISC OS 4. However the reason why it wouldn't work is a horrible bug not anything to do with RISC OS 4, and so if you use Impulse at all on any version of RISC OS you'd be well advised to upgrade. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 12 14:24:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104042 for opro ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 14:23:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937119100:10:09447:25; Sun, 12 Sep 99 06:51:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009356; 12 Sep 99 6:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23587 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:57:09 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA23582 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:57:07 +0100 Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=romsley) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Q2c4-000Ivg-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 05:55:45 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 07:29:14 +0100 From: Angus Mackenzie To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvPro hanging - addendum Message-ID: References: <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: At Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103921@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > I've removed more than half of all my applets before OPro ran > > happily under RISC OS 4. (I planned to mail a list of those applets, > > but I didn't, and now I forgot their names - always having used only > > a few of them, really). > > > On the whole though applets do work don't they? at least they do in my > experience of ROS 4. > > I suspect there is a problem with the Impulse applet which I'm about > to tackle. > Good-oh. I've fallen foul of a mail merge Type=5 crash which I have written to David about privately; he thinks this is an Impulse applet prob and my experience would support this. Murphy's Law being what it is, this happened just after I had moved to OPro/Impact for my society's mailings and spent considerable time programming the database to do all the common tasks with single button presses. So I'm keen to see it working again. Although I'm not a big user of applets, I have to say that I have otherwise found OPro perfectly stable under RO4. -- Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley demon.co.uk Every time this user upgardes Zap, he loses his sig file again. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 12 14:24:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104045 for opro ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 14:24:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937128150:10:08599:22; Sun, 12 Sep 99 09:22:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126071; 12 Sep 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23893 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:28:34 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23888 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:28:32 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11Q4ya-0004Qa-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 08:27:08 +0000 Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 23:23:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAA23889 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id IAB23893 In on Sat 11 Sep, David Graddol wrote: > pnyoung@argonet.co.uk (Dr P.N.Young) wrote: > There is a front end for Ghost Script by Martin W=FCrthner called > GView which avoids all nonsense with scripts. Just drop a ps file > over the iconbar icon (or double click on a postscript file) and > it will be displayed in a window. I'm afraid I don't know where > it came from but its Freeware. And there's a frontend to make PDFs. Called !ps2pdf Ernst --=20 Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metr= ic -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Sep 12 14:24:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104049 for opro ; Sun, 12 Sep 99 14:24:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937136934:10:08327:24; Sun, 12 Sep 99 11:48:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103217; 12 Sep 99 11:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA24198 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:54:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24193 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 10:54:44 +0100 Received: from (userk981) [193.149.73.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Q7G2-0001fU-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:53:18 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 11:52:26 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Contents crash on ROS 4 Message-ID: <8cb9594049.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> References: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.42 (02 Mar 1999) [TEST], ZapEmail 0.24 (08 Jun 1999) patch-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <103970@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > Over to Roger Noble to tell us the proper fix. > Sorry for the delay, RO4 arrived on Saturday ... I think that you have already done the proper fix! I had forgotten to set the current file when a new document was opened or selected, as opposed to only when the menu was opened. This nasty bug has been in since version 1.0 of the applet. I suspect that its effects were worse with OP 2.52 than with 2.51 (probably by chance?), and definitely worse with RO4. I will mail an updated copy to the OP resources web site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). In the mean time if anyone wants the fixed version but is unhappy about modifying it themselves, then mail me and I can send it directly. Sorry about the trouble, and thanks to David for fixing it before I got there! Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:39:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104066 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:39:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937153875:20:15386:17; Sun, 12 Sep 99 16:31:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015369; 12 Sep 99 16:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24747 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:16:48 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA24742 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:16:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 21424 invoked from network); 12 Sep 1999 15:15:18 -0000 Received: from 66-215.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.215) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 1999 15:15:18 -0000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 16:11:19 +0100 (BST) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: Line drawing problem in OS4 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am now using Risc OS4 and I appear to be having trouble with the line drawing tool in OvPro. In the past I drew the line by pressing select (also pressing shift if the line had to be horizontal or vertical.) Then when the end of the line was reached it was fixed with a double click on select. This no longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or double clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to wherever the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. It can be finally fixed by clicking adjust. For example, if one draws a diagonal line, to fix that line it is necessary first to click select and then to click adjust. Click adjust first and the line disappears. If one draws a horizontal line with shift pressed, and the cross wires are not exactly on the line when select is pressed, an extra bit of line is created joining the end of the horizontal line to the cross wires. Again the line can be fixed by pressing adjust, but it does mean one has to be extremely careful to position the cross wires before pressing select/adjust or the line has an irritating short stub attached. I would like to know if other Risc OS4 users find the same problem, and if so, can David P. think of a solution? -- Maurice Edmundson=====================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From rmking@argonet.co.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104080 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937167396:20:13887:5; Sun, 12 Sep 99 20:16:36 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118077; 12 Sep 99 20:16 GMT Received: from userat23.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.137.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11QG2f-0001r3-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: David Pilling Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:03:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Impulse applet bug - ROS4 Message-ID: <49408c2954rmking@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Status: R In article <104018@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I've just uploaded the Impulse applet v 1.02 to the web sites. Hello David, Which web sites? I am wondering if this updated module would cure the occasional crash I get when interfacing Circle Software's 'Impact Pro' database to Publisher? Best wishes, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104082 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937168360:20:20758:16; Sun, 12 Sep 99 20:32:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020682; 12 Sep 99 20:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25278 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:49 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25273 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:22:48 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QFBd-000PvN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 19:21:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 15:54:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <103923@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >I gather Microlaser Designs contacted you about a problem > >with spot colours thrown up during a job they were running for us > >this week. I was told on the phone that their work-around was to > >rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the > >problem is less acute with only 32MB? > > Yes, thats what I hinted at in my message. As one of those having the spots problem I can confirm that pulling out my 128mb simm, leaving 32mb, solved the problem; it worked first time. However, removing that 128mb simm each time I need to view spots on artworks files is not an option as it means removing my scsi card, and the memory is difficult to remove without pulling off the first slice, but can be done with risk of damaging something. So can anyone come up with a more convenient work around. I have been unable to view these spots by any other method. David you mentioned a piece of software that might help. Cab you elaborate. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104085 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937175544:20:12575:38; Sun, 12 Sep 99 22:32:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116037; 12 Sep 99 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25586 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:24:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA25581 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:24:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.139) [193.149.74.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11QH5i-00033L-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:23:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:03:59 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 10 Sep 1999 (14:48:43 +0100), david@english.co.uk wrote: >I was told on the phone that their work-around was to >rip out the extra memory in the machine! So presumably the >problem is less acute with only 32MB? > Blimey! that's a bit drastic isn't it? On the odd occasions when I've had to reduce the memory to get an app to work (e.g. ArtWorks' !FontInst,) I've just loaded some large images into Studio24Pro - much less hassle and no risk of damaged contacts ;-) Richard. -- Richard Brock -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104088 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937179243:20:07291:28; Sun, 12 Sep 99 23:34:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007171; 12 Sep 99 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25700 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:26:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25695 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 22:26:18 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.171) [193.149.80.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11QI3A-0004Cw-00; Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:24:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 21:58:22 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: Line drawing problem in OS4 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 12 Sep 1999 (16:11:19 +0100), maured@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > I am now using Risc OS4 and I appear to be having trouble with the line > drawing tool in OvPro. > > In the past I drew the line by pressing select (also pressing shift if > the line had to be horizontal or vertical.) Then when the end of the > line was reached it was fixed with a double click on select. This no > longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or double > clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to wherever > the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. It can > be finally fixed by clicking adjust. For example, if one draws a > diagonal line, to fix that line it is necessary first to click select > and then to click adjust. Click adjust first and the line disappears. > > If one draws a horizontal line with shift pressed, and the cross wires > are not exactly on the line when select is pressed, an extra bit of > line is created joining the end of the horizontal line to the cross > wires. Again the line can be fixed by pressing adjust, but it does mean > one has to be extremely careful to position the cross wires before > pressing select/adjust or the line has an irritating short stub > attached. I agree with and recreated the first part of this using Opro 2.52 and RISCOS 4.02 but not the second. When I held shift to to produce horizontal lines clicking select and adjust completed the line without any irritating extras no matter where the crosswires were. I can't remember how it worked in the past. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104092 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937214557:10:21396:30; Mon, 13 Sep 99 09:22:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108316; 13 Sep 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27109 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:47:54 +0100 Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA27104 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 08:47:51 +0100 Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA18558 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:44:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24316; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:42:50 +0100 Message-ID: <37DCBA9D.7BCC1E91@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 09:49:33 +0100 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... References: <37D8D4BD.991832E2@sharp.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry to continue of OvPro topics, but I need to correct a little mistake I made .... Graham Jones wrote: > The quality of output can be improved, when using the pcx devices (mono > and colour) by adding -dTextAlphaBits=4 to the command line - this uses a > simple anti-aliasing algorithm to smooth the edges of the text. I was talking rubbish - the pbm (and related) devices allow anti-aliasing with greyscale and colour, in case anybody has tried this. Graham. -- Sharp Laboratories of Europe, Switchboard: +44-(0)1865-747711 Oxford Science Park, Fax: +44-(0)1865-714217 Oxford, OX4 4GB Direct dial: +44-(0)1865-334142 England Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:40:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104093 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:40:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937223224:10:15070:32; Mon, 13 Sep 99 11:47:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112667; 13 Sep 99 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27383 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:01:01 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27378 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:00:59 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s15-47-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.47]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 11:42:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB27383 On Sat 11 Sep, David Graddol wrote: >=20 > There is a front end for Ghost Script by Martin W=FCrthner called > GView which avoids all nonsense with scripts. Just drop a ps file > over the iconbar icon (or double click on a postscript file) and > it will be displayed in a window. I'm afraid I don't know where > it came from but its Freeware. >=20 This is OK for viewing but does not work at sufficiently high resolution = for reproduction. Also the version I have does not work properly with pdf fil= es. Steve --=20 Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:42:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104132 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:42:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937331222:20:04030:45; Tue, 14 Sep 99 17:47:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105846; 14 Sep 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA30088 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:14:34 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA30083 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:14:32 +0100 Received: from modem-4.neptunium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.4] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Qw8C-00083E-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:12:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:22:28 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem with tabs Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199907041234.NAA28683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA30084 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB30088 Dear colleagues, May I ask for advice about the area of OvationPro which I find least sati= sfactory, bearing in mind that I may well have missed something in the ma= nual or be ignorant of a facility which is actually present! I was used to WordPerfect 5.1 before I retired, and found the tab setting= in that package quite easy. In OvationPro when I try to edit the tabs, = I find that the window does not show up where the existing tabs are! I h= ave not found out yet how to delete the tabs of the default page so as to= give myself a default which has NO TABS... Is there a way of getting the existing tabs to display in the window when= I am trying to edit them. I find the "display invisibles" far from sati= sfactory, as the various characters which then show up seem to adopt arbi= trary imprecise positions. I cannot tell EXACTLY where a tab is from loo= king at that display. Nor can I tell of course what type of tab it is. I am really seeking help in using the tab set facility, rather than seein= g the invisibles, though, and would be glad of any advice. Many thanks, Robin. --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle=20 Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham,=20 NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930 3=80=FF=FF=FF=FF -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104140 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937348730:20:20485:20; Tue, 14 Sep 99 22:38:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020437; 14 Sep 99 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30819 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:30 +0100 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30814 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 22:09:28 +0100 Received: from modem-4.manganese.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.12.4] helo=orchard-way) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11R0jZ-0007zq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 23:07:30 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:55:58 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Line drawing problem in OS4 Message-ID: <2d4f1a4149.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Sun 12 Sep 1999 (16:11:19 +0100), maured@eurobell.co.uk wrote: > > I am now using Risc OS4 and I appear to be having trouble with the line > > drawing tool in OvPro. > > > > In the past I drew the line by pressing select (also pressing shift if > > the line had to be horizontal or vertical.) Then when the end of the > > line was reached it was fixed with a double click on select. This no > > longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or double > > clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to wherever > > the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. It can > > be finally fixed by clicking adjust. For example, if one draws a > > diagonal line, to fix that line it is necessary first to click select > > and then to click adjust. Click adjust first and the line disappears. > > > > If one draws a horizontal line with shift pressed, and the cross wires > > are not exactly on the line when select is pressed, an extra bit of > > line is created joining the end of the horizontal line to the cross > > wires. Again the line can be fixed by pressing adjust, but it does mean > > one has to be extremely careful to position the cross wires before > > pressing select/adjust or the line has an irritating short stub > > attached. > > I agree with and recreated the first part of this using Opro 2.52 and RISCOS > 4.02 but not the second. > > When I held shift to to produce horizontal lines clicking select and adjust > completed the line without any irritating extras no matter where the crosswires > were. > > I can't remember how it worked in the past. I've just tried on RO3.7, OPro 2.51. Draw without shift, select starts line, select fixes first segment and starts second, double click on select ends line. Draw with select, click adjust and the line disappears. With shift, select starts line, double click creates horizontal or vertical single segment. End with adjust and the line disappears. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104147 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937343625:10:04220:18; Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:13:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004209; 14 Sep 99 21:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30515 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30506 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:29 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QzLU-000JxP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:38:32 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:56:36 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Thanks. Was: An idiot's question ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <104024@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 12 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >Thanks; I would be delighted with this if you could send it. > > Ghostscript 5 and GView (which is most useful) are on the RISC OS 4 CD... And quite honestly are not difficult to set up if you follow the instructions exactly. In short all you really do is download everything, put it all in the same raFS directory and then use GView as a front end. I've never had any difficulties and rarely has it failed to display a postscript file produce by the ROS printer driver. I find Ghostscript invaluable for checking a file before sending to the printers. GView is on Hensa I believe. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104149 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937343704:10:04974:17; Tue, 14 Sep 99 21:15:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119368; 14 Sep 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA30517 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA30510 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:40:30 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11QzLS-000JxP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:38:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:57:17 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Try this To: Paul Hutton In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 31 Aug, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Is it just me? > > Hold down the full stop key for a length of time ege 5 seconds, to get a > continuous dotted line. > Do you: > a. Get a constantly growing line? > b. Find the computer stops, seems to think, then compiles the dots a couple > of seconds after you have released the key? I recently put in my Arm610 processor to play elite and I tried the full stop key in OPro(after waiting 14 years for it to load) I got the first full stop, but did not get the rest until after releasing the key. Not that I care! -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:43:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104153 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:43:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937384525:20:23380:19; Wed, 15 Sep 99 08:35:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023071; 15 Sep 99 8:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31948 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:06:15 +0100 Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA31943 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 08:06:13 +0100 Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (dc2-modem901.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.131.133]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19877 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:04:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:03:11 +0200 (BST) From: Andr van den Berg Subject: Driver To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: ECD Computers, Holland. +31703072040/Fax+31703072050 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Does anybody know of a driver for the Quendata dwp 1120 daisywheelprinter? Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Automatisering / Detachering Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Let op! Nieuw tel. & faxnummer! Tel. +31(0)70 307 2040 Fax: +31(0)70 307 2050 VATNo: NL009507590B01 ACORN E-mail: ecdbv@xs4all.nl ECD E-mail: avb@ecd.nl PC E-mail: info@ecd.nl Detachering E-mail: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http://www.ecd.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:45:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104181 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937434040:20:29919:32; Wed, 15 Sep 99 22:20:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120773; 15 Sep 99 22:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00977 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:45:57 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA00972 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:45:56 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RMq8-000Odo-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 21:43:45 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 22:42:19 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Awful sudden crashing spate To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting twiddling its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually had to reset the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and even re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. Switched off and tried again. Still the same problem. What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is getting later..... RiscPC SA 4gb SCSI 66mb RAM OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 I'll be checking for the replies. Anyone else suddenly started experiencing things? OPro until now has been rock solid. I am at a loss. Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl errors with module not found messages... aaargh! Regards -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:45:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104186 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:45:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937441907:20:10942:33; Thu, 16 Sep 99 00:31:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109831; 16 Sep 99 0:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01274 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA01269 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 23:52:09 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.245) [194.69.104.245] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11ROoG-0004MH-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:49:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: Paul Hutton Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 00:52:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <49422ca4b2lexicon1@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12p (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting twiddling > its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually had to reset > the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and even > re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. > However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried > dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border > round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. Switched off and tried > again. Still the same problem. > What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to > crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is getting > later..... > RiscPC SA > 4gb SCSI > 66mb RAM > OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 Doubt it's got anything to do with OVPro. Check the SCSI termination and leads. Martin Longley -- martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 16 16:46:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104192 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:46:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937424536:10:13171:23; Wed, 15 Sep 99 19:42:16 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.22]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013177; 15 Sep 99 19:42 GMT Received: from modem-21.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.91.149] helo=celtania) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11RKwT-0006Ac-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:42:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 20:39:30 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: OvationPro tabs Message-ID: <927c154249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Status: R Sorry, I've lost the original request - re tabs in ovation pro. Tabs puzzled me for quite a while. I have observed that OvnP seems to keep a set of default tabs (nothing to do with the default document) which it will use if there are no user defined tabs in the currently defined style/effect. ie consider a document with no effects and no styles except Bodytext and that this has no tabs set. Then hitting the tab key will move the cursor across in 10mm steps. Is this right? - can't find anything in the manual about it and can't find any choice/preference governing it. If there are user defined tabs set then this phenomenon is still apparent if the tab key is hit after the last user def tab has been passed (assuming there is sufficient space left on the line) -- Roger Morris From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:47:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104207 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937472382:10:11549:22; Thu, 16 Sep 99 08:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110431; 16 Sep 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02068 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:05:16 +0100 Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02063 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:05:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id BBB509B10 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:02:24 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Devon Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 09:03:17 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.20 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 15 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting twiddling > its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually had to reset > the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and even > re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. > > However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried > dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border > round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. Switched off and tried > again. Still the same problem. > > What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to > crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is getting > later..... > > RiscPC SA > 4gb SCSI > 66mb RAM > OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 > > I'll be checking for the replies. Anyone else suddenly started experiencing > things? OPro until now has been rock solid. I am at a loss. > > Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error > messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl errors > with module not found messages... aaargh! > > Regards > Check the seating of your RAM SIMMs. I have problems blessedly rarely with my 80 RiscPCs (in fact almost never) but more often than not that's the cause, especially if they're not the type of SIMM with gold-plated contacts. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 16:48:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104211 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 16:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937494365:10:24254:41; Thu, 16 Sep 99 15:06:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116721; 16 Sep 99 15:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA02668 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:44:04 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (temp-mail.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02663 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:44:01 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA25884 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 15:41:36 +0200 Message-Id: <199909161341.PAA25884@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 16 Sep 1999 08:42:38 GMT Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 X-Popauth-Info: 937489272 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Dear all [snip] >Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error >messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl errors >with module not found messages... aaargh! > I'd suggest You *CheckMap and *Verify Your harddisc... Good luck! Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 20:38:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104289 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 20:38:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937503707:10:18075:19; Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:41:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101169; 16 Sep 99 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03064 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:35 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03058 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:33 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Rf3w-000Mp1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:11:12 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:55:24 GMT Message-Id: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- tried >dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried putting a border >round a frame- type 5 crash. When you upgraded fom 2.46 to 2.52 I hope you also upgraded your colour supplement + artworks applets. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 20:38:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104291 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 20:38:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937504474:10:27736:21; Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:54:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028192; 16 Sep 99 17:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03069 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA03063 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:13:35 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Rf3u-000Mp1-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:11:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 99 17:50:54 GMT Message-Id: <104214@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Blimey! that's a bit drastic isn't it? On the odd occasions when I've had to >reduce the memory to get an app to work (e.g. ArtWorks' !FontInst,) I've just >loaded some large images into Studio24Pro - much less hassle and no risk of >damaged contacts ;-) As I said, the problem is nothing to do with memory usage. Its to do with memory address allocation, and that depends purely on the amount of RAM in your machine and the order applications are run in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 20:58:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104294 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 20:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937511713:10:18413:18; Thu, 16 Sep 99 19:55:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018468; 16 Sep 99 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:14:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03458 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:13:58 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11RgwR-0004UV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:11:35 +0000 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:10:16 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Me again- Spate of crashes follow up To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I've stopped crying for the moment. I switched off and reinstalled OPro from scratch (all the way from 2.46.... ) but did not copy across my autorun folder. Lo and behold, I could draw a border and put in clip art. I think somehow my !choices file must have become corrupted (but I did not fiddle with it, honest!) as if I substitute it for the old one, it crashes again. I am looking forward to carrying on with my favourite program, but will be typing on eggshells for a while. I have a stack of things to do tonoght so we shall see. Thank you all very much indeed for all the suggestions- especially the triumvirate of Martins!; I have checked my termination, will pull out and re-insert my ram simms at the weekend when I have time to remove the 2 cd drives, other hard drive, and 4 cards... I sincerely hope I do not need to type to you again today (cor, I sound like the teacher I am), and am heartened by the immense support in this NG. Roll on the day we get virtual tissues and virtual shoulders to cry on...! Regards -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 16 22:54:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104308 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:54:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937516242:20:08319:4; Thu, 16 Sep 99 21:10:42 GMT Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.212]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113311; 16 Sep 99 21:10 GMT Received: from modem-47.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.92.47] helo=celtania) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Rine-0008WQ-00 for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:10:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:08:27 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro tabs Message-ID: <9a77a14249%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104218@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 In message <104218@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >ie consider a document with no effects and no styles except Bodytext and > >that this has no tabs set. Then hitting the tab key will move the cursor > >across in 10mm steps. Is this right? > > Yes this is right, there is a default set of tabs, every 10mm after the > last tab you have set by hand. > Thank you David, you have confirmed that this is a design feature. I certainly do not object to the default tabs - quite the contrary - but was puzzled until I had worked out how they were appearing. And I think this answers a previous question on the subject of OP tabs. -- Roger Morris From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 22:54:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104309 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937517369:10:20083:16; Thu, 16 Sep 99 21:29:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102946; 16 Sep 99 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA03661 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:46:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA03656 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 20:46:56 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.193) [193.149.70.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11RiON-00005d-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 17:00:30 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <49428545d5lionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Martin Devon wrote: > Check the seating of your RAM SIMMs. I have problems > blessedly rarely with my 80 RiscPCs (in fact almost never) > but more often than not that's the cause, especially if they're > not the type of SIMM with gold-plated contacts. You could also try the application of a little contact enhancer to all connections: SCSI, RAM, ROMs, processor card(s), backplane and podule cards. Failing that. Is your power supply clean and PSU in good order? Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 16 22:54:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104311 for opro ; Thu, 16 Sep 99 22:54:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937518473:20:03999:20; Thu, 16 Sep 99 21:47:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111582; 16 Sep 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA03762 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:08:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA03757 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:08:00 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.169) [194.69.104.169] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Riik-0000de-00; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:05:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alan P Dawes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: paul@krowdrah.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 08:56:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <494258f7e0alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 15 Sep, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > Turned on the computer last night, to find my sandtimer sitting > twiddling its thumbs as it was about to go into the desktop. Eventually > had to reset the whole machine. Restored most things from a backup, and > even re-installed OPro from 2.46 up to 2.52 again. > However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- > tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried > putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. Very repeatable. > Switched off and tried again. Still the same problem. > What on earth can be causing these terrible crashes? I am this close to > crying. I have so much work to do for school tomorrow, and it is > getting later..... > RiscPC SA 4gb SCSI 66mb RAM OPro 2.52 Latest virus 3.30 > I'll be checking for the replies. Anyone else suddenly started > experiencing things? OPro until now has been rock solid. I am at a > loss. > Incidentally, I have had a spate of other programs behinv goddly- error > messages in Pinpoint about SWI calls, blank error boxes... app docl > errors with module not found messages... aaargh! This last paragraph suggests that it may not be OvPro causing the problem. I found with my ageing RiscPC, that every 8 or 9 months I was getting odd errors occurring which were cured by 'reseating' Vram, Simms, all connectors, PC card, processor card, backplane and modules. The reason is that mild oxidation of the connectors increases the resistance and particularly capacity of these connections leading to timing problems and thus stray memory errors when writing to and reading from RAM. Removing and replacing them produces a 'clean' surface again reducing the stray capacitance back to within acceptable limits and thus curing that problem. Now every 6 months before this starts to happen, I give my RiscPC an overhaul putting a thin smear of 'electrolube' on each connector before replacing. Alan -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | Using an Acorn RiscPC -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 02:03:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104327 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:03:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937524537:10:02391:16; Thu, 16 Sep 99 23:28:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002354; 16 Sep 99 23:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04037 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:48:32 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04032 for ; Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:48:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 16292 invoked from network); 16 Sep 1999 22:46:04 -0000 Received: from user1246.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.246) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 16 Sep 1999 22:46:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 19:19:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- > >tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried > >putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. > When you upgraded fom 2.46 to 2.52 I hope you also upgraded your colour > supplement + artworks applets. Talking about upgrades ... I have OP 2.52 and have upgraded to RISC OS 4 - so far without doing the hard drive bit, so OP works fine. Now when I do reformat the drive and restore my backup to the new drive, presumably I'll have to do something to OP to make it work again. Before, this meant showing it the 2.46 disc, but isn't it different with 2.52? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 04:15:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104375 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:15:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937537859:20:07185:18; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:10:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113196; 17 Sep 99 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04695 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04690 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RnlV-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:16:05 GMT Message-Id: <104333@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >As one of those having the spots problem I can confirm >that pulling out my 128mb simm, leaving 32mb, solved >the problem; >David you mentioned a piece of software that might >help. Cab you elaborate. Well one program is DALimit from guttorm vik http://home.eunet.no/~guttorvi/strong.html However (may Mr. StrongED forgive me) I have seen a better such program one which allows you to vary the size of the DA for each program individually. I'll try to find the reference... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 04:15:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104380 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:15:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937537863:10:10772:21; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:11:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118824; 17 Sep 99 3:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04688 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04683 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RnlS-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:07:43 GMT Message-Id: <104331@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Another RISC OS 4 problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think I've found a nasty problem with Ovation Pro and ROS4. Hearsay, ArcFax and OvationPro all have a similar script language. Whilst the scripts have no bugs in them, all is fine. However if the script compiler finds an error in a script, I believe that the whole application will keel over with a trap in trap handler error. So you'll probably only notice this problem if you're developing applets or macros in OvationPro. The code which raises errors depends on C's long jump code. This is probably not commonly used. However, more on this later when I've pinned down whats wrong. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 14:32:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104383 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:32:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937538475:10:14493:16; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:21:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014346; 17 Sep 99 3:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04799 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:36:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04787 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:36:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Rnql-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:34:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:23:13 GMT Message-Id: <104365@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Line drawing problem in OS4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This no longer happens. If I press select and draw the line, single or >double clicking select does not fix the line but it will continue to >wherever the mouse pointer is dragged similar to line drawing in !Draw. Looks like you're right. I will investigate... One possibility is that under ROS4 the settings for times/distances for clicks/double clicks change. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 14:32:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104384 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:32:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937540949:10:01322:22; Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:02:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119506; 17 Sep 99 4:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA04963 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:22:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA04958 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:22:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RoYt-0003vA-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 03:19:47 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 04:16:22 GMT Message-Id: <104381@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another RISC OS 4 problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hearsay, ArcFax and OvationPro all have a similar script language. >Whilst the scripts have no bugs in them, all is fine. >However if the script compiler finds an error in a script, >I believe that the whole application will keel over with a trap in >trap handler error. Seemingly this is because the programs attempt to "throwback" errors. If you have a throwback handler present, e.g. Zap then there won't be a crash. I gather this is a known problem with the ROS4 DDEUtils module. The problem can happen with other programs e.g. Acorns Find. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 14:33:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104386 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 14:32:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937538652:20:12915:17; Fri, 17 Sep 99 03:24:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120341; 17 Sep 99 3:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04681 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA04676 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:31:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11RnlP-000PSo-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 02:28:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 02:05:11 GMT Message-Id: <104329@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Now when I do reformat the drive and restore my backup to the new drive, >presumably I'll have to do something to OP to make it work again. Before, >this meant showing it the 2.46 disc, but isn't it different with 2.52? I don't know the answer to this, I think there's been some discussion on here and the outcome was that all the bit about uninstalling or showing installed versions to the installer is not relevant. You just format and then install another copy. I'd think uninstalling was only relevant if there was a limit to how many times you can install. I guess Beebug decided that was more trouble than it was worth and dropped it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 22:58:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104463 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:58:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937601070:10:04575:18; Fri, 17 Sep 99 20:44:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004544; 17 Sep 99 20:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA06687 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:48:57 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06682 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:48:55 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FI700I5ZYX7TS@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:46:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:48:33 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: printing wierd format To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello all I've made a non-standard sized booklet. It is -------- | | 105mm -------- 300mm (half A4) It is a double sided document with 24 pages and i want to print it on A4. In Ovation it is like this: -------- | 1 | -------- ---------------- | 2 || 3 | ---------------- etc -------- | 24 | -------- And now i want to print it like this: -------- -------- | 24 | | 2 | -------- -------- etc -------- -------- | 1 | | 23 | -------- -------- So you end up with a booklet: ---------- /|\ 1 \ / 5| \ \ ---|_3_ ----------- A folded A4 with the fold on top. I hope you get the picture. But all the print setups are designed to print like this: ----------- | | | | 24 | 1 | | | | ----------- The pages side by side and not above each other Is there any way to get it printed the way i want it? I want to print it and be able to copy it without cut'n paste. If not possible what do you suggest is the best way o get the final result? Many thanks in advance -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 17 22:58:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104465 for opro ; Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:58:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937604097:20:00105:28; Fri, 17 Sep 99 21:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102830; 17 Sep 99 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06851 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:18:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06846 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:18:48 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11S5MY-00053K-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:16:11 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 19:28:38 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: References: <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <494291fdd2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <104216@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > wrote: > > > > >However, I have had a horrible evening of constant crashes from OPro- > > >tried dropping clip art into an empty frame- type 5 crash. Tried > > >putting a border round a frame- type 5 crash. > > > When you upgraded fom 2.46 to 2.52 I hope you also upgraded your colour > > supplement + artworks applets. > > Talking about upgrades ... > > I have OP 2.52 and have upgraded to RISC OS 4 - so far without doing the > hard drive bit, so OP works fine. > > Now when I do reformat the drive and restore my backup to the new drive, > presumably I'll have to do something to OP to make it work again. Before, > this meant showing it the 2.46 disc, but isn't it different with 2.52? It's hateful but you'll have to re-install 2.46 unless you've kept a copy on hard disc, in which case you can just show it to the installer. You then upgrade to 2.51, then 2.52. Before you start make sure your applets dir in the original 2.52 is safe so that you can copy it back into the new version. Also your Autorun dir. That'll save you messing around with re- configuration and sorting out current applets. Unless you actually bought 2.52, that is. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 02:23:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104475 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 02:23:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937609013:10:02881:24; Fri, 17 Sep 99 22:56:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117813; 17 Sep 99 22:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07103 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07096 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11S6ZA-000Pbp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:33:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 23:11:49 GMT Message-Id: <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It's hateful but you'll have to re-install 2.46 unless you've kept a copy >on hard disc, in which case you can just show it to the installer. You >then upgrade to 2.51, then 2.52. What you'd do to make life easy... Install a new 2.46 on hard disc. Then apply just the !Upgrade programs from the 2.51 and 2.52 upgrades to it. Finally copy the !RunImage from this version into your old 2.52. Point is that it is only the !RunImage which knows anything about the copy protection. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 02:23:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104476 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 02:23:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937609365:10:06816:16; Fri, 17 Sep 99 23:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006758; 17 Sep 99 23:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07108 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:58 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07102 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:35:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11S6ZC-000Pbp-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:33:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 99 23:14:54 GMT Message-Id: <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing wierd format X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way to get it printed the way i want it? I want to print it and >be able to copy it without cut'n paste. Sure just write a new imposition format script. I guess you're telling me that is too hard to do the current way... I don't understand why the page numbering you want is different from that for a normal pamphlet. But as to the rotation could you rotate the page contents before printing, and the use the standard pamphlet format. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 02:23:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104477 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 02:23:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937613035:10:16286:22; Sat, 18 Sep 99 00:03:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106443; 18 Sep 99 0:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07320 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:37:08 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07315 for ; Fri, 17 Sep 1999 23:37:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 12521 invoked from network); 17 Sep 1999 23:34:28 -0000 Received: from user1222.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO user1222) (193.132.93.222) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 17 Sep 1999 23:34:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 00:34:06 +0100 Subject: Draw filesand printing ... Message-ID: <494332a33arayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I used Draw to produce some arrows in a document and made the line thickness 4 point. On screnn they looked nice and chunky, but when printed out (Post script) they were very thin. So, I made them 8 point - but they still printed thin. In the end I gave up. I'm sure this must have come up before, but what is the answer? (RISC OS 4 in case that has anything to do with it) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 14:07:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104487 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 14:07:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937641176:20:16352:19; Sat, 18 Sep 99 07:52:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122588; 18 Sep 99 7:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA08174 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:38:36 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA08169 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 07:38:34 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FI800AELVRR7D@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:35:52 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:37:28 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: printing wierd format In-reply-to: <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <03e45e4349.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <104471@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >Is there any way to get it printed the way i want it? I want to print it > >and be able to copy it without cut'n paste. > > Sure just write a new imposition format script. I guess you're telling > me that is too hard to do the current way... > > I don't understand why the page numbering you want is different from > that for a normal pamphlet. But as to the rotation could you rotate > the page contents before printing, and the use the standard pamphlet format. What pamphlet does is putting the two pages side by side, and in this case it has to put them above each other. It's not a big difference but a very important one in this case. Since i'm not good at programming: Does anyone have an imposition format to pamphletprint half A4s (300x105)? or Can someone tell me how to change the pamphlet printing format to rotate the document first? or Does anyone know an easy way to rotate an entire document 90degrees? Regards -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 18 14:07:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104500 for opro ; Sat, 18 Sep 99 14:07:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937656261:20:25210:18; Sat, 18 Sep 99 12:04:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125100; 18 Sep 99 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA08662 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:51:08 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08657 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:51:06 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11SIyb-000OFk-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:48:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 11:48:13 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Awful sudden crashing spate Message-ID: References: <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <104469@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >It's hateful but you'll have to re-install 2.46 unless you've kept a copy > >on hard disc, in which case you can just show it to the installer. You > >then upgrade to 2.51, then 2.52. > > What you'd do to make life easy... > > Install a new 2.46 on hard disc. Then apply just the !Upgrade programs > from the 2.51 and 2.52 upgrades to it. Finally copy the !RunImage from > this version into your old 2.52. > > Point is that it is only the !RunImage which knows anything about > the copy protection. Ah, that's it. I thought something like this should be possible but not which file. !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.uniquenumb came under suspicion until I noticed the datestamp. Shame, with a distinct file it would have been possible to just update 2.46 then copy the file across. No matter. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:58:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104555 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937677740:20:13077:16; Sat, 18 Sep 99 18:02:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100528; 18 Sep 99 18:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09256 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:48:57 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA09251 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:48:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 29075 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 17:46:07 -0000 Received: from userl664.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.75.223) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 17:46:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:40:01 +0100 Subject: Contents Applet Message-ID: <4943960e6fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Okay... I give up. I've wasted tooooo much time on this thing. The recent mods required to !Contents has reminded me why I still have to use Imp Publisher at times. I've tried various Contents Applets and have still not yet (ever) generated a "Contents" of a Document in Ov Pro. For the moment lets stick with !Contents Roger Noble and Jamie Lawrence... I've read and re-read Roger's notes that apply to !Contents v2.02, I've created Styles as noted... I've done all the stuff... still no damn contents list. Even using Roger's help document, which is supposed to be set up to create a Contents list... produces nothing for me. Does this thing actually work? Has anybody in this universe ever managed to create a Contents list from within Ovation Pro.... It's so damn easy in Publisher. Some advice would be appreciated. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:59:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104566 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:59:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937697807:20:06817:16; Sat, 18 Sep 99 23:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006815; 18 Sep 99 23:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:57:57 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10194 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:57:55 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-8.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.8]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14822 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:54:57 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:30:45 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Things that would be useful... Message-ID: <7dacb04349%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R ....here's one of those 'wish list' musings. Impression organised its printing so that a Y-offset of zero would align the top of the page with the leading edge of the printout. OvationPro uses a Y-offset from the bottom of the configured page which has lots of undesirable side-effets (I don't know of a desirable side effect, perhaps someone else does?). The main [niggle] is that when I'm printing anything smaller [vertically] than an A4 page I have to calculate the offset from the bottom of a theoretical A4 page to find out what the poition should be to get the output on the leading edge of the printing. For example, to print an A6 page I need an offset of 148.5mm. To print on a DL envelope I need an offset of somthing like 80mm. To print a complement slip [sideways] I need an offset of 87mm. If I were measuring from the top of the page all these offset would be zero. So here's the feature request bit: Could we have buttons, instead of the 'Centre page' options that do 'Top align', 'Bottom align', 'Left align', 'Right Align', 'Vertical centre', 'Hoizontal centre' and 'User defined' that do all the maths based on the currently selected printer's page size and align the document for printing as required? Preferably options that can be set using a macro too - this is very very useful when printing documents using Impact [etc] and its merge commands. I gave up trying to have different page sizes defined using the printer driver since changing page size then requires manual intervention. Thanks. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:59:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104569 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:59:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937737994:20:27002:31; Sun, 19 Sep 99 10:46:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116795; 19 Sep 99 10:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA11504 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:33:05 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11499 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:33:03 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-16.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.16]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA02295 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:30:05 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 00:28:22 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Decimal character Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R For some reason I have a '6' in the decimal character box of my general preferences. However, if I click 'OK' I get "Unknown tytpe of units" error!? Whassat mean? No, after trying to alter the decimal tab character (because my decimals were not tabbing to their tabs) I get a '0' in the box. I think there's a '.' in the right place in the !Prefs file, but my decimals are still right aligned. Eh? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 15:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104574 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937750746:20:22094:24; Sun, 19 Sep 99 14:19:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129616; 19 Sep 99 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA12049 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:27:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12044 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 13:27:36 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.58) [62.188.134.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11SgxG-00002q-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Carnegie) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:24:35 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.10 Subject: Another thing about page breaks Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Following the dicussion on the use of Alt-12 [0c] as a page break in a text file and then importing it into OvPro; when I do this, ie either by a) dropping a text file with eg "this is some text[0c]this is some more text" in it onto an OvPro page or Iconbar icon (where "this is some text" leaves an unfilled page, and "this is some more text" is the first line on a new page or b) drop a text file with eg " some text and so on ad nauseam" into OvPro, put the caret in somewhere in the text and press the *keypad* - this creates a new page with text starting from where the caret was. If in either of these cases the caret is then put at the very beginning of the new page and is pressed, the new page goes and the two sections of text are now together again on the one page eg: "this is some text this is some more text". Now press F8 (Undo). I get 'Ovation Pro has suffered a Type 5 and must exit' type message every time - clicking quits OPro and the pointer disappears - F12 brings the pointer back Anyone else? or is it me? Machine spec: A3010 4Mb Ram, HCCS multipodule, SCSI micropodule, 511Mb SCSI HD, IDE micropodule (Inactive) Agfa SnapScan 310 SCSI scanner, HP DJ500C printer (parallel port) Motorola 28.8 modem So : is it a 'shortage of memory' thing? (although it happens even when there is >512k left in memory ie OPro is the only thing running) Or a 'feature' of OPro? Colin Carnegie -- _ ________________________________________ /_| _ _ _ /| /_ _/_ /' / || (_|(_)/ |/(/_/_ / The Internet Experts ________) ___________./ colinc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:01:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104580 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:01:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937760848:20:12609:18; Sun, 19 Sep 99 17:07:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012581; 19 Sep 99 17:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12624 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:51:58 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12619 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 16:51:56 +0100 Received: from modem-93.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.43.221] helo=celtania) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Sk8x-0002f9-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:48:52 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:46:39 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing wierd format Message-ID: <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Hello all > > I've made a non-standard sized booklet. > It is > -------- > | | 105mm > -------- > 300mm > > (half A4) > > It is a double sided document with 24 pages and i want to print it on A4. > In Ovation it is like this: > > -------- > | 1 | > -------- > ---------------- > | 2 || 3 | > ---------------- > etc > -------- > | 24 | > -------- > > And now i want to print it like this: > -------- -------- > | 24 | | 2 | > -------- -------- etc > -------- -------- > | 1 | | 23 | > -------- -------- > > So you end up with a booklet: > ---------- > /|\ 1 \ > / 5| \ \ > ---|_3_ ----------- > > A folded A4 with the fold on top. I hope you get the picture. > Make new document To ensure visibility of what was going on I used: View - Options - Facing pages and Pasteboard document & Master Document zoomed to 50% Page - Edit master pages Page - Page guidelines Page = other, H=297, W=105, Double sided, Mirror, Top=20, Bot=20, Inner=10, Outer=10, Default master frame, Not sideways, then OK Select one of the master frames: Object modify W=257, H=85, Angle=90, OK (do not select anything else) In Info palette X=10, Y=275 (I couldn't do this using Obj Mod !?) Repeat for other master frame - use the same figures Close master page edit window Import your text (or edit looking sideways) Print using Pamphlet at 100%, x & y to suit (I used 3mm) Not Fit, Not Centre, Not Sideways All pages, Front, Print turn paper over side-to-side (for my BJC4000) All pages, Back, Print Fold paper Result is a wide, shallow pamphlet 297 wide, 105 high when folded with horizontal fold readable from page 1 to page 8 by flipping paper up-and-over from front to back. I used only 8 pages to test the idea but the text was flowing properly from frame to frame (auto linked as expected) so it would work for any number of pages. Clearly you will have to use frame sizes etc to suit your requirements. Is this what you want? -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:01:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104584 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:01:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937775697:20:20956:18; Sun, 19 Sep 99 21:14:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127231; 19 Sep 99 21:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13032 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:22:22 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA13027 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:22:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 20937 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 20:19:17 -0000 Received: from usern172.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.81.205) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 20:19:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 19:37:05 +0100 Subject: RO4 and Ov Pro Message-ID: <49441f1dc3df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Evening all... :-) Aside from the Contents applet problem... sorted by DP there is another problem encountered with Ov Pro (2.52) and RO4 The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an error message. "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) Followed by some post mortem stuff. Normally with TransFSI in action, various graphic filetypes could also be loaded into Imp Publisher... again attempting this produces the same error and Post mortem window. Though CC's TransTiff does still work. Any thoughts please... and solutions... Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:02:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104590 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:01:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937784416:20:08692:17; Sun, 19 Sep 99 23:40:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122634; 19 Sep 99 23:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13530 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:14:19 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13525 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 23:14:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 28240 invoked from network); 19 Sep 1999 23:10:46 -0000 Received: from user1244.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.244) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 1999 23:10:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 17:30:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Draw filesand printing ... Message-ID: <4944138586rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <494332a33arayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Ernst Dinkla wrote: > In on Fri 17 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > I used Draw to produce some arrows in a document and made the line > > thickness 4 point. > > > > On screnn they looked nice and chunky, but when printed out (Post > > script) they were very thin. > > > > So, I made them 8 point - but they still printed thin. > > > > In the end I gave up. > > > > I'm sure this must have come up before, but what is the answer? > > > > (RISC OS 4 in case that has anything to do with it) > I do not have RO4 yet but what you describe looks very much like the > 'line thickness' problems of RO created PDF files. Do you have a PDF > creation step in the process? Or has RO4 changed something in the PS > driver that does something alike? > Let us hope it is something trivial as otherwise this problem increases > with RO4. Having a bit more time this afternoon, I did a few experiments. I created a Draw file of five lines of varying thicknesses, from .25 to 8 point. I printed it from Draw to both PS2 laser and Epson 740 colour. Both printed OK. Imported file into Ovation Pro and printed to PS2 - again OK. Scaled down draw file in OP and printed to OP - again OK. So, it seems the problem doesn't exist in RISC OS 4 - but I did have a problem the other day. Hmm, the only difference was I was adding the lines created in Draw to an old existing document. It shouldn't make any difference, but the problem outlined above /did/ happen. Anyway, panic over - it's fine now. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:02:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104599 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:02:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937819849:20:17563:18; Mon, 20 Sep 99 09:30:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016181; 20 Sep 99 9:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14595 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:50:25 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14590 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:50:23 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id KAA23265 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:50:13 +0200 (METDST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:58:11 +0200 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: Contents Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199909191134.MAA11875@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:40:01 +0100 > From: "D.A.Symes" > Subject: Contents Applet > > Okay... I give up. I've wasted tooooo much time on this thing. I did give it a try, never used content before, so if it works with me it should work with you. One problem I encountered was pressing only OK when set the Edit-Styles will not save the state, so it will easily reset. Better press SAVE and OK. I made a doc with styles H1 and H2 on some pages of the doc made a contents1 and contents2 style (not case sensitive) then edit styles and set H1 and H2 on style 1 and 2 and press SAVE and OK then I set the cursor at the place I want the contents and press Set Contents Bookmark and Do Contents; a contents generates > > Does this thing actually work? > Has anybody in this universe ever managed to create a Contents list from > within Ovation Pro.... It's so damn easy in Publisher. > it does with me > Some advice would be appreciated. Edit Styles -> SAVE and OK Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:02:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104603 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937830214:20:17805:26; Mon, 20 Sep 99 12:23:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126231; 20 Sep 99 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14964 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:35 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14959 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:33 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FIC00B3CWW20N@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:50:27 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:52:34 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: printing wierd format In-reply-to: <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <8e1154449%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> Roger Morris wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > A folded A4 with the fold on top. I hope you get the picture. > > > Make new document Is this what you want? Not exactly, Thanks all who have replied, basicly everyone said that I needed to make a new document which i turn 90degrees and import all text and pictures to there. Since i've got a really complicated document i'm not going to do it that way. I'll just print it and do it the old fashioned cut'n paste way. An idea maybe for a new version: Being able to rotate pages /with all/ content, master and local frames @ once. grt -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:03:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104609 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:03:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937844844:20:10980:19; Mon, 20 Sep 99 16:27:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011253; 20 Sep 99 16:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15577 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:01:37 +0100 Received: from elslonexc001.epress.co.uk (elslonexc001.epress.co.uk [194.128.151.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15572 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:01:35 +0100 Received: by elslonexc001.epress.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:00:11 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: TransFSI Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:52:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: "D.A.Symes" > The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... > Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an > error message. > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > Followed by some post mortem stuff. One thought from someone without RO4 (yet) - is ImageFS interfering? Having 2 things trying to do the same job might be a problem... John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:03:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104616 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:03:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937855488:20:22623:17; Mon, 20 Sep 99 19:24:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022575; 20 Sep 99 19:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA16215 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:41:17 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16210 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:41:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 111 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 18:25:08 -0000 Received: from userd044.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (194.69.109.247) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 18:25:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:57:02 +0100 Subject: Re: TransFSI Message-ID: <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , "Pettigrew, John (ELSLON)" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "D.A.Symes" > > The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... > > Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an > > error message. > > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > > Followed by some post mortem stuff. > One thought from someone without RO4 (yet) - is ImageFS interfering? > Having 2 things trying to do the same job might be a problem... > John Good thought John, but I've been there... With or without ImageFS being seen the problem remains. Even dug out an old backup copy of OV Pro Filters and tried them... exactly same error message. Installed a new copy of 2.46 same problem... :-( I'm stumped... and this is a nuisance... means I've got to manually convert everything first. Cheers Dave S The full message as follows: "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) Post Mortem requested. Arg: 0x0000b470 46192 -> [0x0000008c 0x02e036b0 0x000012ad 0x00000000] 8840 in function ReceiveTranslate 8f98 in function WimpMain 89bc in function main 39906a4 in unknown procedure 80d4 in anonymous function That's it... Ps: Anyone know a way of capturing a postmortem message so that it doesn't have to be written in by hand. (No... Paint's Snapshot will not do it, so please don't bother suggesting that one.) Cheers D. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:03:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104620 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937863566:20:28338:19; Mon, 20 Sep 99 21:39:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129997; 20 Sep 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA16678 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:23:55 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA16673 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:23:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 5946 invoked from network); 20 Sep 1999 20:24:11 -0000 Received: from userbp08.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.146.3) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 1999 20:24:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:19:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Contents Applet Message-ID: <4944ac5b1cdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <199909191134.MAA11875@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dave S wrote about not being able to get the Ov Pro applet Contents to work. In article , m.m.ottens wrote: [Snip all my stuff about not getting Contents Applet to work. > it does with me > > Some advice would be appreciated. > Edit Styles -> SAVE and OK > Maarten Thank you... that did the trick... I was clicking the Ok button but not Save... just tried that on a Doc and Save... It created a Contents. Thanks Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104629 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937905124:20:02733:19; Tue, 21 Sep 99 09:12:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104780; 21 Sep 99 9:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA17692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:35:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17687 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:35:14 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120] helo=demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11TLO2-000OGV-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:34:54 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:19:43 +0100 Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Message-ID: <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin Carnegie wrote: > Following the dicussion on the use of Alt-12 [0c] as a page break in a > text file and then importing it into OvPro; when I do this, ie either > by > a) dropping a text file with eg "this is some text[0c]this is some > more text" in it onto an OvPro page or Iconbar icon (where "this is > some text" leaves an unfilled page, and "this is some more text" is > the first line on a new page > or > b) drop a text file with eg " some text and so on ad nauseam" into > OvPro, put the caret in somewhere in the text and press the *keypad* > - this creates a new page with text starting from where the > caret was. > If in either of these cases the caret is then put at the very > beginning of the new page and is pressed, the new page goes > and the two sections of text are now together again on the one page eg: > "this is some text this is some more text". > Now press F8 (Undo). I get 'Ovation Pro has suffered a Type 5 and must > exit' type message every time - clicking quits OPro and the > pointer disappears - F12 brings the pointer back > Anyone else? or is it me? > Machine spec: A3010 4Mb Ram, HCCS multipodule, SCSI micropodule, 511Mb > SCSI HD, IDE micropodule (Inactive) Agfa SnapScan 310 SCSI scanner, HP > DJ500C printer (parallel port) Motorola 28.8 modem > So : is it a 'shortage of memory' thing? (although it happens even > when there is >512k left in memory ie OPro is the only thing running) > Or a 'feature' of OPro? I suggest you first try turning off all the applets. I was going to report a string of type 5s earlier today, when I did just that and the problem disappeared. Haven't got round to reinstalling them piecemeal to identify the culprit but I'm pretty sure it's one of them. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK Authorised Installer RISC OS4 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:05:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104633 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:05:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937909282:20:07644:18; Tue, 21 Sep 99 10:21:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124058; 21 Sep 99 10:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17837 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:01:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17832 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:01:39 +0100 Received: from userbg25.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.142.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11TMje-0000RH-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:01:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:00:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Message-ID: <4944f7814armking@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk> References: <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > I suggest you first try turning off all the applets. I was going to > report a string of type 5s earlier today, when I did just that and the > problem disappeared. Haven't got round to reinstalling them piecemeal to > identify the culprit but I'm pretty sure it's one of them. The !NewFrame applet, by David Breakwell, either turned on or off, causes many type 5 error messages with my copy of Ovation Pro 2.52. Ovation Pro, when double-clicked upon, will crash with a type 5 error message halfway through loading. After removal of the above applet, type 5 error messages are rarely seen. Regards, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:05:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104642 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:05:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937927832:20:04337:82; Tue, 21 Sep 99 15:30:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103014; 21 Sep 99 15:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA18585 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:55:01 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18578 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:55:00 +0100 Received: from [212.126.148.34] (helo=Drjones69.freeuk.net) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11TRJV-00055K-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:54:37 +0000 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 13:11:52 +0100 (BST) From: Ryan Hitch Subject: Dissappearing Frames To: OvationPro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear Sir, I have been having a few problems with OvationPro since upgrading to it soon after it came out - please do not think that anything mentioned here now is me trying to pick fault - it's just that I've been building up niggles since I first started using it, and have only just subscribed to this mailing list. 1) My main problem is dissappearing frames, when I import a graphicinto a standard A4 portrait page and try to increase it's width I find that if the frames width exceeds that of the page then picture frame simply dissappears, no message, no warning etc and I am left to undo to recover it. It would be nice if extending a frame too far either locked at the width of the page or extending into the bleed area/pasteboard. 2) Slight inaccuracies importing graphics, often when using Ovation Pro and I making scientific report and on occasion I need to include small equation in the flow of text (from Formulix) but I often find that -Drag to import will import at 100% but the frame will be a tiny bit too small resulting in the out edges of the end characters in the equation being trimmed off, this can cause the equation to look unporfessional compared to work carried out on other systems. 3) I see now that the Colour Supplement is to be supplied as standard with Ovation Pro, are you planning on provided a discounted upgrade for people (like me :-)) who bought Ovation Pro standalone before it was shipped with the Colour Supplement? 4) Often when I apply a style to a region of text I find that a local effect is taking precedence over the style, for example in my standard default document I have a style set up to set font to italic, centre and apply a small gap before the paragraph, however in use I find that the only way I can get the text to become italic is to select it and 'Remove local effects'. 5) Is there ever likely to be a true set of importers for foreign formats? It would be nice to be able to import (say) an Impression file and find it properly formatted with pictures and everything - if only for a start would this be quiet easy to do with 'Multy-file' Impression documents? And I do confess it would occasionally be handy to be able to import/export M$ Word (since I often can not share my work load between working at home or in University). I do have a few other minor niggles, but as I said before these are things which I noted down since first getting OvationPro and I do tend to use the Program almost all the time - so obviously I like it - since I've still Impression Publisher sitting on my Harddisk too!! Yours SIncerly, Ryan -- "You had the perfect job called life, you didn't like it - you resigned" Silverchair -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:06:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104649 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:06:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937943535:20:29088:19; Tue, 21 Sep 99 19:52:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028992; 21 Sep 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19341 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:09:00 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA19336 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:08:58 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.209) [62.188.133.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11TVHE-0000aE-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:08:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:06:33 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: RO4 and Ov Pro Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 20 Sep 1999 (08:05:38 +0100), tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk wrote: > On 19 Sep, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Evening all... :-) > > > Aside from the Contents applet problem... sorted by DP there is > another > > problem encountered with Ov Pro (2.52) and RO4 > > > The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... > > Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces > an > > error message. > > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > > Followed by some post mortem stuff. > > > Normally with TransFSI in action, various graphic filetypes could > also be > > loaded into Imp Publisher... again attempting this produces the same > error > > and Post mortem window. Though CC's TransTiff does still work. > > > Any thoughts please... and solutions... > > > Cheers > > > Dave S > > Working fine for me - 2.52 and RO4.02 > > Loaded a frame in OavPro this morning, tried loading a Gif graphic, ended up with error's, loaded !ChangeFSI, now no problems, everything fine. Cheers Bryan S. Kirk -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:06:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104651 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937946209:20:06418:41; Tue, 21 Sep 99 20:36:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120338; 21 Sep 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19575 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:18:11 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19570 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:18:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 14369 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 20:17:36 -0000 Received: from user1200.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.200) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 20:17:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:50:09 +0100 Subject: Re: TransFSI Message-ID: <4945120326rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes wrote: > Good thought John, but I've been there... > With or without ImageFS being seen the problem remains. > Even dug out an old backup copy of OV Pro Filters and tried them... > exactly same error message. > Installed a new copy of 2.46 same problem... :-( > I'm stumped... and this is a nuisance... means I've got to manually > convert everything first. > Cheers > Dave S > The full message as follows: > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > Post Mortem requested. > Arg: 0x0000b470 46192 -> [0x0000008c 0x02e036b0 0x000012ad 0x00000000] > 8840 in function ReceiveTranslate > 8f98 in function WimpMain > 89bc in function main > 39906a4 in unknown procedure > 80d4 in anonymous function I had this this morning when I dragged a Word document (with a .doc extension on it) to Ovation Pro's icon bar. Virtually the same numbers. I have the !TransWord filter and it worked fine when I clicked on the document. It just objected when I dragged it to the icon bar. I just tried dragging it to an OP window and the same thing happens. Using RISC OS 4. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:06:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104655 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:06:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937952076:20:18918:39; Tue, 21 Sep 99 22:14:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018965; 21 Sep 99 22:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20046 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:45:55 +0100 Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20041 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:45:52 +0100 Received: from ijm.clear.net.nz (b001-m006-p033.acld.clear.net.nz [203.97.54.161]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with S Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:46:25 +1200 (GMT) From: Ian J Melville Subject: Numbering Feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Does any one know of a simple way to automatically number tickets and butts, please? I am planning to do 10 tickets to a page times 15 but I want them individually numbered twice over with the same number. Cheers! -- Ian J. Melville RD 1 Ph/Fax +64-0-9-433-2225 Tangiteroria 0351 Cell +64-0-25-818-513 Aotearoa/New Zealand email ijm@clear.net.nz _____________________________________________________________________________ I am me. I am free. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:06:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104657 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:06:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937953838:20:08585:17; Tue, 21 Sep 99 22:43:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115918; 21 Sep 99 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20217 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:15:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20212 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:15:28 +0100 Received: from (userm774) [193.149.80.62] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11TYBh-0005vL-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:15:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:13:46 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Contents Applet Message-ID: <4ba03a4549.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> References: <199909191134.MAA11875@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <4944ac5b1cdf In-Reply-To: <4944ac5b1cdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (26 Aug 1999) ds-9, ZapEmail 0.24 (26 Aug 1999) patch-9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4944ac5b1cdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> "D.A.Symes" wrote: > Dave S wrote about not being able to get the Ov Pro applet Contents to > work. > In article , > m.m.ottens wrote: > [Snip all my stuff about not getting Contents Applet to work. > > it does with me > > > Some advice would be appreciated. > > Edit Styles -> SAVE and OK > > Maarten > Thank you... that did the trick... I was clicking the Ok button but not > Save... just tried that on a Doc and Save... It created a Contents. Maybe I should clarify what *should* happen. If you just click on the OK button the selected styles are used but are not saved with the document. So if you go to a new document, or close the the existing one, the settings will be lost. If you click on the Save button, the settings are saved with the document in memory; however, you will still need to save the document itself to disc if you want them to still be there next time you load it. On looking what it does, I see that it does not properly clear the selected styles when a new document is selected, so this could lead to confusion. I will take a look at this, and review its user interface as well, which I think is clumsy and (obviously) confusing. Some of this is a hang-over from the original applet ;-) I feel that a better approach would be to have a button on the current edit styles dialogue to actually do the contents and to remove the separate menu options. At the same time I could also remove the Save button and make OK always do a save. Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:06:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104660 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:06:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937989699:20:28534:28; Wed, 22 Sep 99 08:41:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118025; 22 Sep 99 8:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA21454 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:20:56 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21449 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:20:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 22571 invoked from network); 22 Sep 1999 08:20:08 -0000 Received: from user1213.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.213) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 1999 08:20:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 00:36:55 +0100 Subject: Re: TransFSI Message-ID: <4945423d12rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494539fd22df.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <494539fd22df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <494539fd22df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes wrote: > > David provided a small basic program to turn zero page off and later a > > new but not fully tested !Server. I've not tried either of them so I > > don't know how effective they are BUT I've not seen any adverse press! > Oh Bollox.... > Thank you Richard, Yes yes... I damn well downloaded the thing from DP's > site as soon as he posted it. > Was rather busy at the time so put it into my Ovation Pro storage > directory to get to it later... later never came as you've seen. > I've just changed the !Server in TransFSI for the new one and now it > works, loads graphics without the error. Arrgh. That's it! I had changed the Server in all the other !TransXXX filters, but not the Word one. I thought it only applied to the DP ones. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:07:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104666 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:06:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937996065:20:14629:21; Wed, 22 Sep 99 10:27:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104909; 22 Sep 99 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA21653 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:46:31 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21648 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 10:46:25 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-130-145.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.130.145]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA17724 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 09:45:50 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:14:18 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dissappearing Frames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ryan Hitch wrote: [Not addressed to me, but just trying to help ;-) ] > 1) My main problem is dissappearing frames, when I import a graphicinto a > standard A4 portrait page and try to increase it's width I find that if > the frames width exceeds that of the page then picture frame simply > dissappears, This sounds like the imported graphic is being embedded in the text. In this case, if the frame is then made wider than the text margins it tries to flow out of its frame onto the next page like really big text would - it finally disappears rather than creating infinite extra pages. I too find this feature annoying, but wonder if it's the feature you are trying to use - if you create a new frame first and import the graphic into that it can be made to overlap the edge of the page by a long way, but it will stay where you put it, it won't move with the text. > 3) I see now that the Colour Supplement is to be supplied as standard > with Ovation Pro, are you planning on provided a discounted upgrade for > people (like me :-)) who bought Ovation Pro standalone before it was > shipped with the Colour Supplement? It's now available free as an applet on the OvationPro website at http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling I've just got it for myself and find it most comforting to have! Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:08:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104692 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:08:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938083139:20:17795:46; Thu, 23 Sep 99 10:38:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017915; 23 Sep 99 10:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24009 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:07:12 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24004 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:07:10 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-98.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.98]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21270 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:06:21 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:58:07 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Numbering Feature Message-ID: <3ebb24549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Ian J Melville wrote: > Does any one know of a simple way to automatically number tickets and butts, > please? > > I am planning to do 10 tickets to a page times 15 but I want them > individually numbered twice over with the same number. I do this kind of thing using a CSV file and merge commands. I wanted to have uniquely numbered labels, 10 to a page, so I created a CSV file like this... "1","2","3","4","5","6","7","8","9","10" "11","12","13","14","15","16","17","18","19","20" ....etc Using either a spreadsheet that exports in CSV or clever tricks with copy searcha and replace in a text editor one can create a series or hundred quote quickly. This done, create yourself one page of tickets and using the Merge facilities of OvationPro (Which applet are they? Impulse? Database?) stick in [Merge 1] on the ticket bit then another [Merge 1] on the stub and repeat with [Merge 2] to [Merge 10] for that one page. Each page is then treated like one record (one line from the CSV file) so the merge tools can be used to merge 1 to 10, then print the sheet, then 'Next' produces 11 to 20, then print, etc... for your whole CSV file. I hope that makes sense, I havn't explained it very cleverly. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 16:08:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104695 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:08:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938085060:20:17135:31; Thu, 23 Sep 99 11:11:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017193; 23 Sep 99 11:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24199 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:54:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24194 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:54:34 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.201) [62.188.134.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11U6VX-0006hS-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:53:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:53:13 +0100 Subject: Installation Message-ID: <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Trying to run OvPro v.2.46 (I've only got discs for that) after installation on my new RISCOS4 gives the error "Messages file not found. Find a disc with program resources on and try again." I never had that problem with the old installation - what must I do to get OvPro up and running under the new system? Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:42:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104725 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:42:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937696284:10:28238:16; Sat, 18 Sep 99 23:11:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120636; 18 Sep 99 23:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10193 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:57:55 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10188 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:57:52 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-8.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.8]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA14825 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 22:55:00 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 23:46:15 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Subject: Printing a single lable - my solution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for the replies to my earlier query about printing labels and feeding partially printed sheets back into a laser printer. I've found a solution that is to my liking: I take an A4 label (ie: a sheet of A4 with one great big label all over it!) and cut it doen the middle [vertically in portrait orientation] to produce two strips. I've organised Impact to print the address required at the top in the middle of the page (I have an HP Lazer jet so it has a centre feed) using an OvationPro merge document that just contains a single page about 110mm wide by 60mm deep. I print this at the top of the strip then cup it off leaving the rest of the strip for the next time. The beauty of this is that I only need to cut off as much as is printed on, I never put partially peeled label sheets into the feeder, and I can print just one label at a time with no more than a sinlge click - no manual intervention w.r.t. positioning labels on sheets etc. That'll keep me happy for,...oh... days at least :-). Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:43:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104730 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:43:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938100909:20:24163:24; Thu, 23 Sep 99 15:35:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024087; 23 Sep 99 15:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA24908 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:59:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24903 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:59:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UAKP-000Lks-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:58:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 99 20:28:49 GMT Message-Id: <104537@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'll try to find the reference... The program I was thinking of for controlling dynamic area max sizes is from Matthias Seifert, http://www.deutschlandwetter.de I don't know if it is actually on his web site at the moment. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:43:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104736 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:43:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938104156:20:09099:17; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:29:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009038; 23 Sep 99 16:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25098 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:55:13 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25093 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:55:11 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-1-130.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.130]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F3551DB17A for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:54:19 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:59:19 +0100 Subject: Re: Installation Message-ID: <49460a0b23rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> References: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk>, Peter Howard wrote: > Trying to run OvPro v.2.46 (I've only got discs for that) after > installation on my new RISCOS4 gives the error "Messages file not > found. Find a disc with program resources on and try again." > I never had that problem with the old installation - what must I do to > get OvPro up and running under the new system? Did you backup the old Ovation Pro? If you did, then copy it to the new disc. Then copy the !Runimage from 2.46 into it, overwriting the one that is there. I think that has the protection in it for your new drive. Don't try and run OP at this stage as it has a mixture of old and new. Then, use Freshen to upgrade it to 2.52 and it should work. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:43:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104740 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:43:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937733205:10:10765:16; Sun, 19 Sep 99 09:26:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010634; 19 Sep 99 9:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11226 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:58:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11221 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:58:36 +0100 Received: from (userl975) [193.149.77.26] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Scl0-0004Bv-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:55:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:54:43 +0100 From: Roger Noble To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Contents Applet Message-ID: <6ccce94349.rgn@ce32.argonet.co.uk> References: <4943960e6fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4943960e6fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap 1.43 (11 Jun 1999) ds-6, ZapEmail 0.24 (23 Jun 1999) patch-5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4943960e6fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> "D.A.Symes" wrote: > Okay... I give up. I've wasted tooooo much time on this thing. [snip] > > Even using Roger's help document, which is supposed to be set up to create > a Contents list... produces nothing for me. > > Does this thing actually work? > Has anybody in this universe ever managed to create a Contents list from > within Ovation Pro.... It's so damn easy in Publisher. > > Some advice would be appreciated. Usually when no contents are produced (at least in my case), it is because I have not setup the contents styles. Try the following using the help document provided with !Contents. 1. Select Edit Styles from the Applets->Contents submenu. 2. In the resulting dialogue box, select Main Heading for Style 1 and Sub-Heading for Style 2. 3. Click on OK. 4. In the document click to place the cursor below the Contents for !Contents heading. 5. Select Set Contents Bookmark from the Applets->Contents submenu. If you adjust click on this, it will leave the menu displayed for the next step. 6. Select Do Contents (which should now be un-greyed) from the same submenu. You should now get the contents produced. Or at least they are for me. !Contents works in a very similar way to Publisher's contents generation. You tell it which styles you want, and texts with these styles applied are placed in the contents, but with the orignal styles replaced with Contents1, Contents2 and so on. I hope that this helps. If you still don't get any contents produced something odd must be going on with your installation of OP. Let me know what happens and maybe we can sort out what is going on. By the way, if you are still using !Contents 2.02 I would strongly recommend that you upgrade to the latest version (currently 2.05). Cheers, Roger -- Roger Noble rgn@argonet.co.uk rgn@jb.man.ac.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:43:36 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104742 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:43:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937735156:10:27206:17; Sun, 19 Sep 99 09:59:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116795; 19 Sep 99 9:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA11340 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:39:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11335 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 09:39:54 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.35) [62.188.144.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11SdOy-0004aC-00; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:36:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr T J Chubb To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 10:33:30 +0100 Subject: Spacing with ellipses and M-dash Message-ID: <4943ed599btomc@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.50) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I would like to alter the spacing around ellipses and M-dashes. I don't like them butting up against the characters on either side and would like a tiny space inserted. Can this be done by a macro and, if so, can anyone help? TIA Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:43:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104745 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:43:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937745267:10:01458:16; Sun, 19 Sep 99 12:47:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114386; 19 Sep 99 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11863 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:34:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11858 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:34:21 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Sg9N-000JIr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 12:33:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 14:17:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Draw filesand printing ... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <494332a33arayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 17 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > I used Draw to produce some arrows in a document and made the line > thickness 4 point. > > On screnn they looked nice and chunky, but when printed out (Post script) > they were very thin. > > So, I made them 8 point - but they still printed thin. > > In the end I gave up. > > I'm sure this must have come up before, but what is the answer? > > (RISC OS 4 in case that has anything to do with it) I do not have RO4 yet but what you describe looks very much like the 'line thickness' problems of RO created PDF files. Do you have a PDF creation step in the process? Or has RO4 changed something in the PS driver that does something alike? Let us hope it is something trivial as otherwise this problem increases with RO4. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:44:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104756 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:44:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937776188:10:19358:68; Sun, 19 Sep 99 21:23:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019193; 19 Sep 99 21:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13169 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:57:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13164 for ; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:57:51 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Snyx-000HaW-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:54:48 +0000 Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 21:50:29 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Palette Error message- help! To: Paul Hutton Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Mr Eggshell here again... so far so good (ish)... I am getting an error message "cannot open palette file. when trying to print (HP Laserjet 4L). I am in the middle of working, so I suppose the easiest thing would be to shutodwn and re-start, but I have stacks to do! What generates this message? Is there a quick solution? Quitting printers and trying again causes the same error. MGTIA OPro2.52 RPC SA -- Paul Hutton "There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count and those who can't." -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:44:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104776 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:44:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937844389:10:01772:34; Mon, 20 Sep 99 16:19:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101210; 20 Sep 99 16:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15524 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:46:27 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA15519 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:46:26 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11T5dw-000O6k-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:46:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:05:38 +0100 Subject: Re: RO4 and Ov Pro Message-ID: <494463a5f1tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49441f1dc3df.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <49441f1dc3df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Sep, D.A.Symes wrote: > Evening all... :-) > Aside from the Contents applet problem... sorted by DP there is another > problem encountered with Ov Pro (2.52) and RO4 > The TransFSI filter has ceased doing its job... > Attempting to put a Gif, BMP or Tif into a frame in Ov pro produces an > error message. > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > Followed by some post mortem stuff. > Normally with TransFSI in action, various graphic filetypes could also be > loaded into Imp Publisher... again attempting this produces the same error > and Post mortem window. Though CC's TransTiff does still work. > Any thoughts please... and solutions... > Cheers > Dave S Working fine for me - 2.52 and RO4.02 -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:45:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104779 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:45:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937850350:10:18827:387; Mon, 20 Sep 99 17:59:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105672; 20 Sep 99 17:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA15810 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:49:33 +0100 Received: from out1.prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15804 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:49:28 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-209.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.209]) by out1.prserv.net (/) with SMTP id QAA88368 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:49:07 GMT Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:03:19 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Spacing with ellipses and M-dash To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4943ed599btomc@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA15806 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB15810 On Sun 19 Sep, Mr T J Chubb wrote: > I would like to alter the spacing around ellipses and M-dashes. I > don't like them butting up against the characters on either side and > would like a tiny space inserted. Can this be done by a macro and, if > so, can anyone help? Easy enough to do with a keystroke-set Style to kern space- characters into the ellipse. Create New style; do a Key-stroke combination; Scope - Word: then Text - Track; -50 to -200 according to taste; Untick Size; OK So e.g. type text; space (optional); Key-stroke; space; ellipse; space; Key-stroke=B9; more text. =B9to toggle the style off Watch the style palette. Sometimes the keystroke 'forgets'. JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:45:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104786 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:45:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937858053:10:22177:20; Mon, 20 Sep 99 20:07:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114468; 20 Sep 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA16384 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:52:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA16379 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:52:02 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.81) [62.188.133.81] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11T9TW-0005Yv-00; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:51:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:30:15 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: RE: TransFSI Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 20 Sep 1999 (16:52:44 +0100), john.pettigrew@current-trends.com wrote: >One thought from someone without RO4 (yet) - is ImageFS interfering? >Having 2 things trying to do the same job might be a problem... > That's worth a try. It often cocks-up stuff for me on 3.7, so may well do for 4.0 -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:45:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104797 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:45:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937909385:10:18233:41; Tue, 21 Sep 99 10:23:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108535; 21 Sep 99 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17853 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:03:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17848 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:03:16 +0100 Received: from userbm01.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.144.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11TMlD-0000Tj-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 11:00:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Message-ID: <4944f7814armking@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk> References: <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4944a6db19snave@ukonline.co.uk>, Jack Evans wrote: > I suggest you first try turning off all the applets. I was going to > report a string of type 5s earlier today, when I did just that and the > problem disappeared. Haven't got round to reinstalling them piecemeal to > identify the culprit but I'm pretty sure it's one of them. The !NewFrame applet, by David Breakwell, either turned on or off, causes many type 5 error messages with my copy of Ovation Pro 2.52. Ovation Pro, when double-clicked upon, will crash with a type 5 error message halfway through loading. After removal of the above applet, type 5 error messages are rarely seen. Regards, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104805 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937930910:10:19839:28; Tue, 21 Sep 99 16:21:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019803; 21 Sep 99 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18752 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:02:54 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (temp-mail.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18747 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:02:51 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA16521 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:02:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199909211602.SAA16521@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 21 Sep 1999 11:38:02 GMT Subject: Re: Palette Error message- help! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: >Mr Eggshell here again... so far so good (ish)... I am getting an error >message "cannot open palette file. when trying to print (HP Laserjet 4L). I >am in the middle of working, so I suppose the easiest thing would be to >shutodwn and re-start, but I have stacks to do! > >What generates this message? Is there a quick solution? Quitting printers >and trying again causes the same error. > Look inside !Printers.Palettes (or Resources.Printers.Palettes if You are using ROM based drivers). There should be at least one named "0" in there. Then again You might as well re-install Your !Printers application. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104806 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937931947:10:04125:21; Tue, 21 Sep 99 16:39:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003533; 21 Sep 99 16:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18839 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:16:26 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18834 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 17:16:24 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL [137.224.184.83]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38180) with SMTP id <0FIF00L4U3UO3T@net.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:16:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 18:18:09 +0200 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Different seizes masterpages To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <83111a4549.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I encountered a wierd problem with setting up different seizes of masterpages. I've made a landscape A7 document of 8 pages. I wanted to print it out so i could easily print it out. I thought it was a smart idea to make an A4 document where i put all the 8 A7 pages on. To make things easy (i thought) i add a new chapter, altered the masterpage from A7 to A4. I skipped the Masterframe, added some guideframes to simply add the pages in the document. I closed the masterpage window, and i wanted to copy to pages to my A4 page. But then i could only see the first 74.25 mm of the A4, there was no way to see more. since i had 8 (double sided-mirrored) A7 like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 I had one page-space beside the 8th page. Both the area around the 8th page and the (virtual) page beside it were A4 size. The width of all areas around the A7 pages was 210mm. I thought it had something to do with the masterframes, so i added in the A4 page 8 (small) masterframes linked with each other. In first sight it didn't matter. I tried to ctrl-P through all frames and ended up in a new page without any effect. Then as final try i ctrl-P-ed to the 3rd A4 page, and the first " were correctly displaid, but not the 3rd. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered this problem, and if it is easily to solve/avoid? ps i use OvP 2.51 grt -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104808 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937943460:10:15015:17; Tue, 21 Sep 99 19:51:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014863; 21 Sep 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19406 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:32:43 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19401 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:32:41 +0100 Received: from modem-67.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.11.195] helo=celtania) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11TVeA-0005mk-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 20:32:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 15:46:04 +0100 From: Roger Morris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another thing about page breaks Message-ID: <50a3114549%roger@celtania.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: >[snip] > drop a text file with eg "some text and so on ad nauseam" into OvPro, > put the caret in somewhere in the text and press the *keypad* - > this creates a new page [snip] the caret is then put at the very > beginning of the new page and is pressed, the new page goes and > the two sections of text are now together again on the one page [snip] > Now press F8 (Undo). I get 'Ovation Pro has suffered a Type 5 and must > exit' type message every time - clicking quits OPro and the > pointer disappears - F12 brings the pointer back > > Anyone else? or is it me? Yes, I see the same symptoms with OvnPro 2.52 on an early RiscPC - never notice it before but then I don't suppose I've ever done that before. -- Roger Morris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104809 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937947274:10:03648:41; Tue, 21 Sep 99 20:54:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003393; 21 Sep 99 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19665 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19660 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:25:04 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.200) [193.149.76.200] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11TWSs-0002U6-00; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:24:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:19:36 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: Re: TransFSI Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling posted articles about this some time ago. If I recall it was the !Server module which was causing the fault by not working in Zero Page or something. David provided a small basic program to turn zero page off and later a new but not fully tested !Server. I've not tried either of them so I don't know how effective they are BUT I've not seen any adverse press! -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104811 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937949961:10:05898:45; Tue, 21 Sep 99 21:39:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005891; 21 Sep 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19879 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:19:46 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19874 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 22:19:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 6100 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 21:19:19 -0000 Received: from userbp76.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.146.71) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 21:19:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 21:56:14 +0100 Subject: Re: TransFSI Message-ID: <494533871adf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4945120326rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk> <4945120326rayd@argonet.co User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <4945120326rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <49449f492fdf.symes@argonet.co.uk>, > D.A.Symes wrote: > > Good thought John, but I've been there... > > With or without ImageFS being seen the problem remains. > > Even dug out an old backup copy of OV Pro Filters and tried them... > > exactly same error message. > > Installed a new copy of 2.46 same problem... :-( > > I'm stumped... and this is a nuisance... means I've got to manually > > convert everything first. > > Cheers > > Dave S > > The full message as follows: > > "Illegal address (e.g Wildy outside array bounds) > > Post Mortem requested. > > Arg: 0x0000b470 46192 -> [0x0000008c 0x02e036b0 0x000012ad > > 0x00000000] > > 8840 in function ReceiveTranslate > > 8f98 in function WimpMain > > 89bc in function main > > 39906a4 in unknown procedure > > 80d4 in anonymous function > I had this this morning when I dragged a Word document (with a .doc > extension on it) to Ovation Pro's icon bar. Virtually the same numbers. > I have the !TransWord filter and it worked fine when I clicked on the > document. It just objected when I dragged it to the icon bar. > I just tried dragging it to an OP window and the same thing happens. > Using RISC OS 4. > Cheers, > Ray D Yes well... you are correct Ray, because TransRTF, TransDDF and TransWord all produce the same error message, but I was trying to keep things simple by only asking about the one I use/need the most. Hello Mr Pilling, do you have any thought on the matter... please. Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104814 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937952480:10:05186:18; Tue, 21 Sep 99 22:21:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005175; 21 Sep 99 22:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20131 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:06:16 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20126 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:06:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 12183 invoked from network); 21 Sep 1999 22:05:48 -0000 Received: from userp009.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.91.8) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Sep 1999 22:05:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:06:48 +0100 Subject: Re: TransFSI Message-ID: <494539fd22df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Richard Watkinson wrote: > David Pilling posted articles about this some time ago. If I recall it > was the !Server module which was causing the fault by not working in > Zero Page or something. > David provided a small basic program to turn zero page off and later a > new but not fully tested !Server. I've not tried either of them so I > don't know how effective they are BUT I've not seen any adverse press! Oh Bollox.... Thank you Richard, Yes yes... I damn well downloaded the thing from DP's site as soon as he posted it. Was rather busy at the time so put it into my Ovation Pro storage directory to get to it later... later never came as you've seen. I've just changed the !Server in TransFSI for the new one and now it works, loads graphics without the error. Thank Richard. Dave S Ps: For Ray's benefit... I've just done the !Server change in !TransWord and that works okay now. D. -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:46:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104816 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:46:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 937953413:10:15616:24; Tue, 21 Sep 99 22:36:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015595; 21 Sep 99 22:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20247 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:21:47 +0100 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20242 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:21:45 +0100 Received: from modem-80.cadmium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.23.208] helo=orchard-way) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11TYHo-000508-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 23:21:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 19:59:41 +0100 From: Alan Adams Message-ID: <77db284549.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Plain text export MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I need a way to export plain text from OPro - sounds easy, but the OPro documents have ligatures, ellipses, and smart quotes. When I mail the result to a PC owning friend who creates the Web site, he gets odd characters. (This is obviously because the PC is using a different encoding from the Latin1 of the RPC.) How do I remove all these characters? I am running As-you-type and Ligatures normally, but disabling them only removes the ligatures and ellipses, not the smart quotes. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:49:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104830 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:49:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938031407:10:05943:25; Wed, 22 Sep 99 20:16:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005623; 22 Sep 99 20:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22744 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:45:21 +0100 Received: from studict.student.utwente.nl (studict.student.utwente.nl [130.89.220.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22739 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:45:19 +0100 Received: from s9302700.inbel.utwente.nl (ut113097.inbel.utwente.nl [130.89.113.97]) by studict.student.utwente.nl (8.8.6/MQT) with SMTP id VAA24713 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:44:40 +0200 (METDST) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 21:42:46 +0100 (BST) From: "m.m.ottens" Subject: Re: TransFSI To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199909211603.RAA18761@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro [snip TransFSI won't work] > > I'm stumped... and this is a nuisance... means I've got to manually > convert everything first. > The solution to that particular problem is quite obvious I should think Use ImageFS instead of TransFSI. It would do the job for you quite quick and easy (and good too) :-) Maarten -- \/\/\/\ M.M.Ottens /\/\/\/ O'dd - Ottens' dutch designs \/\/\/\ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd /\/\/\/ +31-(0)40-2853383 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:49:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104845 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938082330:10:09966:19; Thu, 23 Sep 99 10:25:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104115; 23 Sep 99 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24002 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:06:47 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA23997 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:06:45 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-98.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.98]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA21204 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:05:56 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:52:45 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Plain text export Message-ID: <5f8db14549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <77db284549.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <77db284549.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> Alan Adams wrote: > How do I remove all these characters? I am running As-you-type and Ligatures > normally, but disabling them only removes the ligatures and ellipses, not > the smart quotes. > I am not aware of the 'As-you-type and Ligatures', but I use an applet called !Quotes (Smart Quotes) which has menu options that strip a document of smart quotes, or indeed can put smart quotes into a document that does not have them. Come to think of it, to get smart quotes in the first place you must have this applet running... in which case, go into the Applet menu and then walk off the 'Smart Quotes' option and you should find the "Remove Smart Quotes" option. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:49:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104847 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:49:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938085958:10:28799:22; Thu, 23 Sep 99 11:25:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029312; 23 Sep 99 11:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA24214 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:54:58 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA24209 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:54:57 +0100 Received: from modem-38.lead.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.40.166] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11U6Vu-0000mp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:54:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:46:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2.48 upgrade options Message-ID: <4946035643Brian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <100936@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <100936@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 30 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >This has probably been asked a zillion times, but what upgrades are > >available for v.2.48? > None. > The only way you got 2.48 is by using the patch on the old web site to > upgrade 2.46 on floppy. > What you're now expected to do is use the 2.46 on floppy and upgrade it > to 2.51 from the web site, and then if you like you can patch 2.51 to > 2.52 again from the web site. Does this also apply to 2.50? -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 17:50:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104858 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 17:50:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938103388:10:04682:39; Thu, 23 Sep 99 16:16:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114167; 23 Sep 99 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA25078 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:54:33 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA25073 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:54:32 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s34-194-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.194]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:32:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Numbering Feature To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 21 Sep, Ian J Melville wrote: > Does any one know of a simple way to automatically number tickets and butts, > please? > > I am planning to do 10 tickets to a page times 15 but I want them > individually numbered twice over with the same number. > I usually create a CSV file with the numbers, e.g. from a simple BASIC program, then merge it. This method has the advantage that you can cope with complicated seating plans. I think for your purposes you would just need each number twice on a line, comma separated. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 23:21:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104958 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 23:21:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938122367:10:00155:32; Thu, 23 Sep 99 21:32:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000131; 23 Sep 99 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25934 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:17:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25929 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:17:07 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.130) [62.188.146.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11UGDu-0003sW-00; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:16:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:15:29 +0100 Subject: Page renumbering - a problem Message-ID: <49463cf653dgporter@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am trying to modify the start-page number in a chapter using the 'Modify Chapter' menu. However, as soon as I enter the required number in the 'Start number' box, and press return, OvPro locks up and I can only regain control with an Alt+Break. This behaviour is repeatable with this particular chapter. Renumbering other chapters give no problems. It is a largish document, (7.99M, 10 pages, about 20 pictures) but so are the other chapters, so I don't suppose that this is relevant. I could enter this chapter's page numbers manually, but would welcome suggestions for fixing the problem in a more elegant manner. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 23 23:22:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104961 for opro ; Thu, 23 Sep 99 23:22:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938123402:20:08759:21; Thu, 23 Sep 99 21:50:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008628; 23 Sep 99 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26025 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:35:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26020 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:35:12 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UGVQ-000CkG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:34:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:34:23 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Artworks + Spots rendering problems To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <104537@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 18 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >I'll try to find the reference... > > > The program I was thinking of for controlling dynamic area max > sizes is from Matthias Seifert, > > http://www.deutschlandwetter.de > > I don't know if it is actually on his web site at the moment. > This seems to relate only to meteorology. Nothing on software for acorn. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 01:55:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA104971 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 01:55:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938125501:20:03729:24; Thu, 23 Sep 99 22:25:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003541; 23 Sep 99 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26104 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:55:54 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA26099 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:55:52 +0100 Received: from modem-25.tennisstar.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.117.153] helo=orchard-way) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11UGpQ-0002DU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:55:00 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 22:55:16 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Plain text export Message-ID: References: <5f8db14549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5f8db14549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <5f8db14549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <77db284549.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> > Alan Adams wrote: > > > How do I remove all these characters? I am running As-you-type and Ligatures > > normally, but disabling them only removes the ligatures and ellipses, not > > the smart quotes. > > > I am not aware of the 'As-you-type and Ligatures', but I use an applet > called !Quotes (Smart Quotes) which has menu options that strip a document of > smart quotes, or indeed can put smart quotes into a document that does not > have them. > > Come to think of it, to get smart quotes in the first place you must have > this applet running... in which case, go into the Applet menu and then walk > off the 'Smart Quotes' option and you should find the "Remove Smart Quotes" > option. > > Brian. > So true Brian - there are three applets which substitute characters, the third being Smart Quotes. I'd missed the third. I'll give it a try. -- Alan Adams alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk http://www.nckc.freeserve.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:11:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105024 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:11:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938144534:20:08799:17; Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:42:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008634; 24 Sep 99 3:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26854 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26828 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULa1-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:25 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:37:02 GMT Message-Id: <105008@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Numbering Feature X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does any one know of a simple way to automatically number tickets and butts, >please? See the document on advanced mail merge in the file library section of the OvationPro web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:12:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105027 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:12:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938147158:20:01723:19; Fri, 24 Sep 99 04:25:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001696; 24 Sep 99 4:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26851 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:29 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26824 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:19 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULa0-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:24 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:32:14 GMT Message-Id: <105006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Palette Error message- help! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >message "cannot open palette file. when trying to print What often used to happen was that !Printers would create a reference to a non-existant pallete file. Just spontaneously corrupts itself. You can then edit the setup files inside !Printers and change the silly value back to zero. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:12:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105028 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938147283:20:02861:17; Fri, 24 Sep 99 04:28:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102921; 24 Sep 99 4:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26821 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:18 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26810 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULZw-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:24:47 GMT Message-Id: <105002@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransFSI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hello Mr Pilling, do you have any thought on the matter... please. I've been away for a few days... The only thought is that I'm wearing my fingers away and no one is paying attention 8-) Seriously though its hard to both keep track of bug fixes and to make them visible to th people who need them. I've written a summary of the state of play wrt ROS 4. I'll post it just now. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:12:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105031 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:12:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938148942:20:16492:20; Fri, 24 Sep 99 04:55:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117553; 24 Sep 99 4:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26807 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26798 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULZu-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:19:49 GMT Message-Id: <104998@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page renumbering - a problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am trying to modify the start-page number in a chapter using the >'Modify Chapter' menu. However, as soon as I enter the required >number in the 'Start number' box, and press return, OvPro locks up >and I can only regain control with an Alt+Break. (1) does it really crash or just take a long time. (2) Probably it crashes, ISTR some sort of bug fix for this, so I hope you have the latest version. (3) One fix is (as ever) to save the document as DDL and then reload that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:12:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105033 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:12:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938150737:20:01382:17; Fri, 24 Sep 99 05:25:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106698; 24 Sep 99 5:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26855 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26834 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULa2-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:27 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:41:16 GMT Message-Id: <105010@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransFSI X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Ps: Anyone know a way of capturing a postmortem message so that it doesn't >have to be written in by hand. (No... Paint's Snapshot will not do it, so >please don't bother suggesting that one.) There's a really neat trick which involves the fact that most of this stuff is C. With a typical C program you can add >output and ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULZv-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:19 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:22:27 GMT Message-Id: <105000@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Version 2.48 upgrade options X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> What you're now expected to do is use the 2.46 on floppy and upgrade it >> to 2.51 from the web site, and then if you like you can patch 2.51 to >> 2.52 again from the web site. >Does this also apply to 2.50? Yes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:28:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105056 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:28:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938145480:10:10222:17; Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:58:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129663; 24 Sep 99 3:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26857 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26843 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULa6-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:30 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:48:41 GMT Message-Id: <105014@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Decimal character X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For some reason I have a '6' in the decimal character box of my general >preferences. However, if I click 'OK' I get "Unknown tytpe of units" error!? >Whassat mean? Sounds like the preferences are corrupt. Which is interesting, I wonder how you managed that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:29:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105060 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:29:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938150401:10:07345:29; Fri, 24 Sep 99 05:20:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124232; 24 Sep 99 5:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26859 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26841 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULa4-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:28 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:46:31 GMT Message-Id: <105012@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Things that would be useful... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Impression organised its printing so that a Y-offset of zero would align the >top of the page with the leading edge of the printout. OvationPro uses a >Y-offset from the bottom of the configured page which has lots of undesirable >side-effets (I don't know of a desirable side effect, perhaps someone else >does?). Makes it easier to program... The RISC OS printer driver system is based around the relative shift of the bottom left hand corner of what you print and the paper you print it on. ArcFax is a good example of where using the bottom corner is not at all useful. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:29:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105061 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938150907:10:11082:19; Fri, 24 Sep 99 05:28:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104011; 24 Sep 99 5:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA26837 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA26817 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 04:00:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ULZy-000NwC-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 02:59:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 03:27:50 GMT Message-Id: <105004@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro + RISC OS 4 - state of play X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro (1) Transloaders Symptom: When loading pictures or RTF, text or Impression DDF files there is a crash. Although OvationPro continues to be on the icon bar. Solution: The problem is the Transloaders supplied with OvationPro illegally accesing page zero. You have to find all your transloaders and replace the !Server file inside them with the new one available from the OvationPro web site File Library page. (2) Impulse Symptom: Attempting to use the Impulse protocol to do a mail merge e.g. from the Impact database results in a crash of OvationPro. Solution: The Impulse applet has a bug in it. Get version 1.02 from the OvationPro web site Applets page. (3) Script language crashes Symptom: When compiling script language code which should produce an error, OvationPro crashes with a "trap in trap handler" error. Note this fits quite a wide range of situations, it might be an applet with an error in a script file loaded during program startup, it might be a typing mistake in a macro definition and that macro will only be compiled when you press a key or click on the button bar. Solution: The RISC OS DDEUtils module 1.59 has a bug in it. It will cause this crash if there is no 'throwback' handler registered. So one workaround is to have a throwback handler present - i.e. have something like the Zap editor running and set up for throwback. Another alternative is to *unplug the DDEUtils module, on older versions of RISC OS it was not loaded by default. Yet another alternative would be to load the DDEUtils module from an older version of RISC OS. In due course a fixed DDEUtils module will be available from RISC OS Ltd. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:29:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105062 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938179143:20:09305:21; Fri, 24 Sep 99 13:19:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009326; 24 Sep 99 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28792 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:53:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28787 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:53:43 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.58) [193.149.76.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11UUqA-000091-00; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:52:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:35:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Page renumbering - a problem Message-ID: <49468bbc0cdgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <104998@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <104998@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <104998@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I am trying to modify the start-page number in a chapter using the > >'Modify Chapter' menu. However, as soon as I enter the required > >number in the 'Start number' box, and press return, OvPro locks up > >and I can only regain control with an Alt+Break. > (1) does it really crash or just take a long time. Ten minutes ? The other chapters renumber instantaneously. > (2) Probably it crashes, ISTR some sort of bug fix for this, so > I hope you have the latest version. 2.52 in a SA-RPC with 64MB > (3) One fix is (as ever) to save the document as DDL and then reload > that. It crashes in a manner similar to page renumbering if I try to save as a DDL file. Further investigations have shown that I can't save other chapters in this series as DDL files either (although the others will all submit to page-renumbering happily enough). I suppose the 'problem' has been propagated from chapter 1 although it seems odd that none of the chapters will generate DDL files but only one objects to being renumbered. This particular set of documents started out as a single document with several chapters within it. It started to get rather slow and unwieldy because of the large number of pictures within it (accentuated by my lack of experience of handling documents with lots of pictures) so I made several copies, renamed them, and deleted various parts from each to leave myself with several one-chapter documents. Probably not the best way of going about things - could this have brought about my present problem? Other documents that I have elsewhere will all generate DDL files, and renumber happily however, so it looks rather as if I have something 'nasty' lurking within this set of documents/chapters, and not a corrupt version of OvPro. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 14:29:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105076 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:29:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938177892:10:11120:25; Fri, 24 Sep 99 12:58:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117803; 24 Sep 99 12:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA28260 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:22:12 +0100 Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28255 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:22:10 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 6ED889B3E for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:21:12 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Devon Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:11:14 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: printing pages with jpegs Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.20 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Sorry if this has been raised before - I seem to remember something, but not what or where. A pupil created a simple page with one picture frame and dragged in a (58k) jpeg which Opro rendered correctly. But any attempt to print (Laser-Direct) immediately stiffed up the computer, and on one occasion stopped the network connection as well. I TransFSI'd the jpeg and reintroduced it as a sprite (832k) and all was well. As this affects GCSE coursework, urgent help would be appreciated. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 18:15:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105095 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 18:15:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938184829:10:06158:19; Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:53:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112608; 24 Sep 99 14:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA28941 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:58:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA28936 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 14:58:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UVqu-000KhX-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:57:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 14:35:20 GMT Message-Id: <105081@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: printing pages with jpegs X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >A pupil created a simple page with one picture frame and dragged in a (58k) >jpeg which Opro rendered correctly. But any attempt to print (Laser-Direct) >immediately stiffed up the computer, Yes this is a VFAQ... there is a FAQ for OPro... ==================================================================================== Turning to the subject of JPEG's. By default OPro will load these in their original format as long as the version of RISC OS you have can cope with rendering them i.e. RISC OS 3.60 or above or 3.50 with the later SpriteExtend module loaded. The explanation is as follows. Within RISC OS there is a state 'JPEG intercept'. If this is true then attempts to render JPEG images are passed to the printer driver, if it is false they are rendered in the usual way. If you render a JPEG and the Turbos have not set the JPEG intercept state then the crash results. Turbos only set the JPEG intercept state if they see a JPEG in the page to be printed during a printer page prescan pass. So the first part of getting JPEG's to print to Turbos is to enable printer prescan passes in OvavationPro. This can be done by setting printchoices2() argument 0, bit 3. i.e. change printchoices2(17,0,0,0); in AutoRun.!Choices to printchoices2(8|17,0,0,0); Doing this is not enough. When a printer driver prints a page, it passes the application doing the printing a series of horizontal strips - from bottom to top in the case of Turbos. For some reason during a prescan pass, Laser Direct only hands on the first strip. This means that even if your application supports prescan passes, unless a JPEG is seen in the first strip, the intercept state will not be set and a crash will occur, if you use Laser Direct. Turbos can ignore this point. So the final part of getting JPEG's to print if you have Laser Direct is to ensure that you have a JPEG near the bottom of the page - maybe a small all white one. A corollary of all this is that you can make Draw crash when printing JPEG's to Laser Direct by positioning the JPEG near enough the top of the page. =================================================================================== David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 19:21:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105140 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 19:21:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938196384:20:08318:18; Fri, 24 Sep 99 18:06:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007987; 24 Sep 99 18:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA29490 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:49:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29485 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:49:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UZSg-000JAQ-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 17:48:46 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 18:43:07 GMT Message-Id: <105124@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page renumbering - a problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Further investigations have shown that I can't save other chapters in >this series as DDL files either (although the others will all submit >to page-renumbering happily enough). I suppose the 'problem' has >been propagated from chapter 1 although it seems odd that none of the >chapters will generate DDL files but only one objects to being >renumbered. By the sound of it something in your documents has become corrupt. Bad news. It might be interesting for me to look at one of these, if there's one which is not too large. (send it to david@pilling.demon.co.uk not this address or the list). At least handling of large pictures is about to be greatly improved, and it does make dealing with documents that contain them a lot easier. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 21:35:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105169 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 21:35:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938204609:20:12387:21; Fri, 24 Sep 99 20:23:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103693; 24 Sep 99 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA29807 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:53:32 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA29802 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:53:30 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-5-159.easynet.co.uk [195.40.200.159]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 92FE0DAF7F for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:52:26 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:19:54 +0100 Subject: !PSCode Message-ID: <4946b6377erayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R What does it do? I had to reinstall Ovation Pro today when I installed a new hard drive and although I went from a disc copy of 2.46-2.51-2.52, I seemed to pick this one up along the way. It threw a wobbly about fatal errors and displayed its contents in Zap's throwback window, so presumably it suffers from the bug that David mentioned. But is it important? It would seem not as it's not in my working copy - even though I do use a Postscript driver. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Sep 24 23:04:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105182 for opro ; Fri, 24 Sep 99 23:04:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938208734:20:26866:17; Fri, 24 Sep 99 21:32:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026720; 24 Sep 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA30030 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:15:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA30013 for ; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:15:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ucg7-0003uc-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:14:51 +0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 99 21:56:25 GMT Message-Id: <105177@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !PSCode X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It threw a wobbly about fatal errors and displayed its contents in Zap's >throwback window, so presumably it suffers from the bug that David >mentioned. Thats not quite what I said. Either you get the fatal error or you have throwback. Not both. And you only get this anyway with a script with errors in it. >But is it important? It would seem not as it's not in my >working copy - even though I do use a Postscript driver. !PSCode is supposed to be in !ColSupp.Library David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 01:29:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105189 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 01:29:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938216298:10:02752:19; Fri, 24 Sep 99 23:38:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002470; 24 Sep 99 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA30338 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:09:16 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30333 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:09:15 +0100 Received: from tnt-3-213 (tnt-3-213.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.213]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 68AF77B079 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:08:09 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 00:08:04 +0100 Subject: Re: !PSCode Message-ID: <4946cb1b00rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105177@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105177@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <105177@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >It threw a wobbly about fatal errors and displayed its contents in > >Zap's throwback window, so presumably it suffers from the bug that > >David mentioned. > Thats not quite what I said. Either you get the fatal error or you have > throwback. Not both. And you only get this anyway with a script with > errors in it. > >But is it important? It would seem not as it's not in my working copy > >- even though I do use a Postscript driver. > !PSCode is supposed to be in !ColSupp.Library There is a copy in there as well - dated 26 Jul 98. I started off with 2.46, updated it to 2.51 and then updated to 2.50. I then clicked on !OvnPro to run it and it threw up the throwback window which gave several fatal error messages for !PSCode. I looked in !OvnPro.Library and there was the !PSCode that was causing the problem. Removed it and OP boots up fine. As I say, there is a copy in !ColSupp.Library as well, but one of the installers seems to have made a slight mistake. Not to worry - I only wanted the !RunImage from it anyway, to copy into my working copy :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:18:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105202 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:18:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938224466:20:15394:19; Sat, 25 Sep 99 01:54:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015392; 25 Sep 99 1:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA30690 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:40:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA30685 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 02:40:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ugnk-000GlF-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 01:39:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 99 02:24:03 GMT Message-Id: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip This is the first of series of upgrades. I intend to base them all on 2.52. So before you start playing with the upgrade, make a copy of 2.52 for future use. The upgrade can only be used on a standard copy protected 2.52. It will not work on a site licence version of 2.52 or on 2.53. The main improvement is support for large pictures. There are a handful of bug fixes and improved JPEG rendering (you can now image process or rotate JPEG's). I'd say that this version is a step in the right direction, however it may well be that 2.54 is soon replaced either due to bug fixes or more progress. This version requires new ArtWorks and Colour Supplement applets and both these are included in the archive. Full documentation for the new features is also included. It is quite a big download, just under 1Mb. Interestingly enough, it is almost 1 year to the day since the last proper upgrade. Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:18:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105205 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:18:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938245351:10:09431:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 07:42:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009413; 25 Sep 99 7:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA31245 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:13:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA31240 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:13:22 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.193) [62.188.136.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Um0B-0007Zn-00; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:12:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 08:10:51 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sat 25 Sep 1999 (02:24:03), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; >Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... Erm, yes, I keep getting an error when I try to run it. It says "template PixImport not found." Any ideas? -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:18:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105211 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:18:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938251921:10:06806:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 09:32:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100615; 25 Sep 99 9:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31539 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:17:07 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31534 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:17:05 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip40 [129.69.189.40]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id LAA02504 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:13:14 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49470282b2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [snip] > Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... Installation went straight-forward as usual! :-) Things I noticed so far: Sometimes when closing a OvationPro window, OvationPro quits with a type=5 error. In the file info box (F1), the date isn't displayed, but instead the format string %Z24:%MI% %ZDY. %MO %CE%YR%0. Hmmmmm. After loading there's already a document in memory: Picture cache. I think this should be hidden from the icon bar menus. Interactive help not up to date. Especially in the choices and preferences windows where new options have been introduced. I've been wondering what the "Hyphenation character" field should contain. It's blank here. Should I enter "-" there? Or is it just for people that like "=" to be the hyphenation character? BTW: Are bullets implemented now? The template has been there for quite a while. I very much like this new version! The windows look nicer, I'm happy about the new Find&Replace window and the new spell check window. Well done, David! :-) Ah, just one suggestion: Why does the Characters window (F11) close automatically? I'd like it to stay open. If you're using a MathGreek font e.g. in order to write some formula, then it's annoying to press F11 again and again as you have to select the MathGreek font every time again as well. Could this be done? TIA. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 The packaging said "Windows 95 or better", so I installed Linux. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:18:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105214 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:18:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938252663:10:11396:19; Sat, 25 Sep 99 09:44:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011363; 25 Sep 99 9:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31546 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:17:09 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31541 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:17:07 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip40 [129.69.189.40]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id LAA02507 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:15:08 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494702af22bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Sat 25 Sep 1999 (02:24:03), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; > > >Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... > Erm, yes, I keep getting an error when I try to run it. It says > "template PixImport not found." Any ideas? Shouldn't this be in a FAQ now? ;-) You've somehow not copied the Templates file into the new version. Either you've not enabled Force, or you've forgotten it. Check, that !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Templates is the new file, and not your old one. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 10,000 ants dressed as rice & robbed a Chinese restaurant -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:18:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105216 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:18:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938258842:20:06276:19; Sat, 25 Sep 99 11:27:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006254; 25 Sep 99 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA32052 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:59:29 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA32047 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 11:59:27 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip34 [129.69.189.34]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id MAA03080 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:57:17 +0200 Subject: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49470c093abellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Another few things I noticed: When activating "picture references if over 200k" and "picture proxy if over 200k" then printing makes trouble. It doesn't work if you've included pictures larger than the set 200k and loaded the document. Then you get a "File not found" during printing. It works if you're created the document from the scratch, but not if you've loaded it. This is a fault in the reference code I think. If you turn off proxying at all (but not references), then even when loading the document, you get the "File not found". If you enable proxying, then the proxied picture is shown and the bug only shows when printing, because the real picture should be used in this case, which isn't found somehow. Then there's another *very* small wish I have (nothing special with 2.54): I'm using smaller toolsprites. So, the scroll bars are smaller here. And in consequence, the bottom info pane isn't attached properly at the window. It would be a nice thing if OvationPro would read the height of the toolsprites instead of assuming the default one. But that's really only a minor point. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Please all, and you will please none. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:19:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105217 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:18:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938254098:10:22491:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 10:08:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022453; 25 Sep 99 10:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA31709 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:54:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA31704 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:54:22 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.250) [62.188.146.250] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11UoVy-0001MO-00; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:53:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:49:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Installation Message-ID: <494705cf0ejodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49460a0b23rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> <49460a0b23rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk>, Peter Howard > wrote: > > Trying to run OvPro v.2.46 (I've only got discs for that) after > > installation on my new RISCOS4 gives the error "Messages file not > > found. Find a disc with program resources on and try again." > > I never had that problem with the old installation - what must I do to > > get OvPro up and running under the new system? > Did you backup the old Ovation Pro? If you did, then copy it to the new > disc. Then copy the !Runimage from 2.46 into it, overwriting the one that > is there. I think that has the protection in it for your new drive. Don't > try and run OP at this stage as it has a mixture of old and new. > Then, use Freshen to upgrade it to 2.52 and it should work. > Cheers, > Ray D Many thanks. I now have a working copy of 2.46, but if I try to upgrade it to 2.50 using !Upgrade I'm told that "Templates file not found. Find a disc ........"" (as before). Where do I get a copy of Freshen, please? Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 13:19:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105220 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 13:19:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938261776:20:28046:18; Sat, 25 Sep 99 12:16:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2028001; 25 Sep 99 12:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA32191 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:48:59 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA32186 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:48:57 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip40 [129.69.189.40]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA03278 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:46:30 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <4947108ae9bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <49470c093abellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <49470c093abellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I wrote: [snip] > This is a fault in the reference code I think. If you turn off > proxying at all (but not references), then even when loading the > document, you get the "File not found". If you enable proxying, then > the proxied picture is shown and the bug only shows when printing, > because the real picture should be used in this case, which isn't > found somehow. Sorry to follow up my own posting, but I've found the problem! If you drag a picture format into OvationPro that has to go through a filter, then the filter uses the Scrap directories for storage. And the reference in the document is pointing to the Scrap file, which isn't necessarily there anymore when loading or printing the file again. This is a problem. The filters should pass on the original file name, and when reloading/printing OvationPro should send the picture through the filter again. What do you think? Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Data file? No thanks, I prefer to date people -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 15:12:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105249 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 15:12:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938262816:20:05570:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 12:33:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005500; 25 Sep 99 12:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA32253 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:04:49 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA32248 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:04:42 +0100 Received: from p36.nas2.is4.u-net.net ([195.102.198.164] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11UqZD-0003Qw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:04:39 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:46:57 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 12:48:04 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <95af104749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49470282b2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > > Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... > > Installation went straight-forward as usual! :-) > > Things I noticed so far: > > Sometimes when closing a OvationPro window, OvationPro quits with a > type=5 error. > I did manage to get this once (after playing around with the new picture options) but haven't had it again (yet!). > In the file info box (F1), the date isn't displayed, but instead the > format string %Z24:%MI% %ZDY. %MO %CE%YR%0. Hmmmmm. works OK for me. > I very much like this new version! The windows look nicer, I'm happy > about the new Find&Replace window and the new spell check window. > > Well done, David! :-) Me, too. This looks a serious new functionality which hopefully means I won't have to use CorelDraw or Quark to create illustrated book covers in future. Wonderful stuff. I see that buried in a comment on the new treatment of jpegs, is a suggestion that we might want to embed an EPS file. Can that be done, now? I guess the ideal would be if it was possible to import an eps as a referenced pic and any preview tiff is picked up as the proxy. Thanks again, David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 15:22:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105253 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 15:21:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938268796:10:19688:22; Sat, 25 Sep 99 14:13:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019514; 25 Sep 99 14:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32659 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:57:34 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32654 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:57:32 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-6-6.easynet.co.uk [195.40.201.6]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F167C7B102 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:56:18 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 13:39:13 +0100 Subject: Re: Installation Message-ID: <4947155e44rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494705cf0ejodrell@argonet.co.uk> References: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> <49460a0b23rayd@argonet.co.uk> <494705cf0ejodrell@ar User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <494705cf0ejodrell@argonet.co.uk>, Peter Howard wrote: > > Did you backup the old Ovation Pro? If you did, then copy it to the > > new disc. Then copy the !Runimage from 2.46 into it, overwriting the > > one that is there. I think that has the protection in it for your new > > drive. Don't try and run OP at this stage as it has a mixture of old > > and new. > > Then, use Freshen to upgrade it to 2.52 and it should work. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Many thanks. I now have a working copy of 2.46, but if I try to > upgrade it to 2.50 using !Upgrade I'm told that "Templates file not > found. Find a disc ........"" (as before). When you do the upgrade, as well as clicking on !Upgrade, you need to copy the !OvnPro application shell over your working one. There are often scripts and template files in there which are needed in the updated version. > Where do I get a copy of Freshen, please? Freshen was in fact in the 2.51 upgrade and updated the Colour Supp I believe. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 15:22:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105254 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 15:22:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938269138:10:22781:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 14:18:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125806; 25 Sep 99 14:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32704 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:02:55 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA32699 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:02:54 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.134) [62.188.146.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11UsOP-0005Sd-00; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:01:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 14:28:48 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Sep 1999 (11:15:08 +0200), bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de wrote: >Shouldn't this be in a FAQ now? ;-) > >You've somehow not copied the Templates file into the new version. >Either you've not enabled Force, or you've forgotten it. Check, that >!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Templates is the new file, and not your old one. > Bugger, forgot about that! And I'd remembered it so religiously every other upgrade I've done! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 17:05:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105259 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 17:05:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938274627:10:08140:19; Sat, 25 Sep 99 15:50:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007914; 25 Sep 99 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00583 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00578 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:35:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Utq4-0003oI-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:34:16 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 99 16:19:31 GMT Message-Id: <105255@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sometimes when closing a OvationPro window, OvationPro quits with a >type=5 error. Oh thats a shame. I wonder if it could be to do with an applet? Tracking this down would be good. >In the file info box (F1), the date isn't displayed, but instead the >format string %Z24:%MI% %ZDY. %MO %CE%YR%0. Hmmmmm. OK here. Its a feature that if you have a dud time format string, then the format is displayed instead of the time. >I've been wondering what the "Hyphenation character" field should >contain. It's blank here. Should I enter "-" there? Or is it just for >people that like "=" to be the hyphenation character? See the release notes a few versions back. Blank defaults to '-'. >BTW: Are bullets implemented now? The template has been there for quite No. >I very much like this new version! The windows look nicer, I'm happy >about the new Find&Replace window and the new spell check window. Thanks to John Ferguson for the new templates. >Ah, just one suggestion: Why does the Characters window (F11) close >automatically? I'd like it to stay open. If you're using a MathGreek >again as well. Could this be done? Maybe, one day. >Then there's another *very* small wish I have (nothing special with >2.54): I'm using smaller toolsprites. So, the scroll bars are smaller >here. And in consequence, the bottom info pane isn't attached properly >at the window. It would be a nice thing if OvationPro would read the >height of the toolsprites instead of assuming the default one. But >that's really only a minor point. Opro actually saves the position of that pane, it doesn't position it relative to the scroll bar size. So you can change the thing yourself. It's all so that you can have the toolbar in some totally different place like the top of the window. >If you drag a picture format into OvationPro that has to go through a >filter, then the filter uses the Scrap directories for storage. And the >reference in the document is pointing to the Scrap file, which isn't >necessarily there anymore when loading or printing the file again. Yes all this is discussed in the new documentation. I suppose the bug is that it should not even attempt to reference such a file. >I see that buried in a comment on the new treatment of jpegs, >is a suggestion that we might want to embed an EPS file. Can >that be done, now? No, wait for the upcoming EPS applet. >I guess the ideal would be if it was possible >to import an eps as a referenced pic and any preview tiff is >picked up as the proxy. Thats how it will work. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Sep 25 17:39:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105261 for opro ; Sat, 25 Sep 99 17:39:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938275600:10:17178:20; Sat, 25 Sep 99 16:06:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016890; 25 Sep 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00598 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:35:50 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA00593 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:35:48 +0100 Received: from pudy.zetnet.co.uk (man-293.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.116]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA07038 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:34:28 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:31:38 +0100 From: Andrew Pullan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <5927254749.a.j.pullan@a.pullan.zetnet.co.uk> References: <494702af22bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <494702af22bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Organization: Somtimes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <494702af22bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article , > Andy's Progs wrote: > > On Sat 25 Sep 1999 (02:24:03), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; > > > Erm, yes, I keep getting an error when I try to run it. It says > > "template PixImport not found." Any ideas? > > You've somehow not copied the Templates file into the new version. > Either you've not enabled Force, or you've forgotten it. Check, that > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Templates is the new file, and not your old one. I got a 'Template error' when upgrading from from 2.46 to 2.51. Copying the Templates file fixed it. But I had ticked the 'Force' option! In fact having just upgraded to 2.52 and checked the Templates file, I find it's not been upgraded again! Bit of a problem with the upgrade tool I feel. Just also noticed it didn't copy in the HomePage file, or Hyphdata, Help, Messages! Is there any simple way of telling if the upgrade worked correctly? apart from running it and find things that don't work of course ;-) I shall see if the 2.54 upgrade utility is any more reliable. PS This is all on RISC OS 4 with an F+ format disc. -- Andrew Pullan 10 REPEAT PRINT "Hello world!":UNTIL FALSE -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:32:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105278 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:32:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938279710:20:23464:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 17:15:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023437; 25 Sep 99 17:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00811 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:44:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00806 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 17:44:57 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11UuvG-000DCG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 16:43:42 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 99 17:41:00 GMT Message-Id: <105262@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In fact having just upgraded to 2.52 and checked the Templates file, I find >it's not been upgraded again! >Bit of a problem with the upgrade tool I feel. What upgrade tool is that? You copy the files by hand. If you can't copy these files how do you copy any others ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:32:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105283 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:32:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938288129:10:08866:20; Sat, 25 Sep 99 19:35:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117089; 25 Sep 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA01255 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:49:50 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01250 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:49:48 +0100 Received: from modem-36.name41.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.180.36] helo=drood68.freeserve.co.uk) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Uws3-0004qL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:48:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian and Jennie Jordan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:47:26 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494737144eBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <5927254749.a.j.pullan@a.pullan.zetnet.co.uk> References: <494702af22bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <5927254749.a.j.pul User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Sep, Andrew Pullan wrote: [Snip] > Bit of a problem with the upgrade tool I feel. [Snip] Sorry if this isn't the problem but it it's my guess that it is. There is an implied AND THEN between the upgrade instructions. i.e. 1. Run the !Upgrade application and drag the 2.52 application to Upgrade application window. Click on Upgrade. AND THEN 2. Ensure that Force is selected in your copy options. (Click menu over the directory viewer and choose Options->Force.) AND THEN 3. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. AND THEN 4. Run the new application to ensure it works. -- Brian >From an SA RPC somewhere in North Hampshire. England There is life beyond the lost tribes of Basingstoke, Jim. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:32:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105285 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:32:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938292767:20:11376:19; Sat, 25 Sep 99 20:52:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100460; 25 Sep 99 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01555 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:35:59 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01543 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:35:52 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip21 [129.69.189.21]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id WAA06633 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 18:53:49 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49472cada0bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <95af104749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> References: <49470282b2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <95af104749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <95af104749%Support@Gill.english.co.uk>, David Graddol wrote: > Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > In the file info box (F1), the date isn't displayed, but instead the > > format string %Z24:%MI% %ZDY. %MO %CE%YR%0. Hmmmmm. > works OK for me. Yes, I found this problem as well. It's the % after the %MI! I removed the AM part, but didn't think of the %! Silly me. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 1/1=1.089089789701234132 : It's close enough. (Intel 1994) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105287 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938292841:20:11968:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 20:54:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011951; 25 Sep 99 20:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01462 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:19:04 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01457 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:19:02 +0100 Received: from modem-104.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.7.104] helo=loopback) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11UyGO-0004e0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:17:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:11:56 +0100 From: Malcolm Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: References: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.54 is now available > 1. In the Printing information box, the word "separation" seems to come out wrongly. It is bold, but without a smooth edge to the letters. I am using RO 3.7 with Sassoon Primary. 2. On a page which has been set up for labels - ie with 21 linked frames and a link on the master page from the last to the first frame - there is an overflow indicator in the last frame when the text goes on to a second page - but it should not be there. 3. Every time I do a Paste am error box appears saying "Not found". The paste is successful, but the error box is annoying. 4. On a document which used to be three pages and has had just page 3 selected for printing and has been saved, but is now two pages long, when Print all pages is selected, the 3 is greyed out. On printing, the error "Page not found" is reported, even though page 3 has not been selected. I have to select Range, and then All pages to get it to work OK. Thanks for the continuing Upgrades and support, David! Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105288 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938294360:20:22893:20; Sat, 25 Sep 99 21:19:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022767; 25 Sep 99 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01586 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:36:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01579 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:36:36 +0100 Received: from (cb60.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.80.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11UyXL-000409-00; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:35:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 20:01:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Charles Hill-Smith Subject: Image Extend 0.78 or newer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R When I load OvationPro (2.46), an error box from !OArtWrks informs me I need ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. Where can I obtain ImageExtend ? Thank you in advance Chas -- Charles Hill-Smith Dartmoor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105289 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938292772:10:09510:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 20:52:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009388; 25 Sep 99 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01455 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:19:01 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA01450 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:18:59 +0100 Received: from modem-104.phosphorus.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.7.104] helo=loopback) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11UyGM-0004e0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:17:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 15:18:22 +0100 From: Malcolm Churchill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <47721e4749.mpc@shelburne.freeserve.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message you wrote: > On Sat 25 Sep 1999 (02:24:03), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; > > > > >Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... > > Erm, yes, I keep getting an error when I try to run it. It says "template > PixImport not found." Any ideas? I had this too. I copied the old !ColSupp.Templatesfile from the old Applets file in my 2.52 backup into the new 2.54 and it seems to work OK. Malcolm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105290 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938298961:20:26070:17; Sat, 25 Sep 99 22:36:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026059; 25 Sep 99 22:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA02242 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:21:47 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02237 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:21:46 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11V0B5-00072B-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:20:23 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 23:18:57 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough Message-ID: X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OP 2.54 Artworks applet version?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The Artworks applet supplied with 2.54 proclaims itself to be version 1.02. The version I had prior to this release is 1.03. Got your version numbering out of sequence David, or something else? -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105291 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938293498:10:14049:58; Sat, 25 Sep 99 21:04:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126827; 25 Sep 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01550 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:35:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA01545 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:35:55 +0100 Received: from (62.188.150.87) [62.188.150.87] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11UyWh-0003yn-00; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:34:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:31:26 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Formatting Text problems. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I seem to have a problem with 2.54 when formatting text. If I type several short paragraphs and them try to format them differently (eg. one line centred, the next justified), unless I do a double return between the lines, they both jump to the new format. Is it supposed to do this? If it is, it's a bit inconvenient at times. And, if I put the double return in, and then remove one of them, it works properly! Each line can be formatted separately! However, it only does it ocassionally... not every time, but enough to annoy me! What's the problem here? Is it an applet, or a bugette? -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105297 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938295138:10:25287:22; Sat, 25 Sep 99 21:32:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127132; 25 Sep 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01757 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:03:19 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01752 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:03:17 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip29 [129.69.189.29]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA06803 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:52:09 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <4947427f9ebellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <105255@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105255@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105255@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Sometimes when closing a OvationPro window, OvationPro quits with a > >type=5 error. > Oh thats a shame. I wonder if it could be to do with an applet? > Tracking this down would be good. 2.52 Which I have been using since it appeared never crashed for me. It is the stablest version I've ever seen. Now, with 2.54, I've had several type=5 errors without me changing anything else. No applets added, none removed. > >In the file info box (F1), the date isn't displayed, but instead the > >format string %Z24:%MI% %ZDY. %MO %CE%YR%0. Hmmmmm. > OK here. Its a feature that if you have a dud time format string, > then the format is displayed instead of the time. Indeed, I've already noticed that, when removing the AM part, I missed the % in front of %AM. Sorry, my fault. And indeed, I've spotted it after reading the supplied note about recent changes. When I read the thing about the time/date formats I got the "oh, oh" feeling! ;-) > >I've been wondering what the "Hyphenation character" field should > >contain. It's blank here. Should I enter "-" there? Or is it just for > >people that like "=" to be the hyphenation character? > See the release notes a few versions back. Blank defaults to '-'. Indeed. But it doesn't work here, if I enter '=' in there. It still displays the default '-'. What else could I do the wrong way round? > >BTW: Are bullets implemented now? The template has been there for > >quite > No. :-( > >Ah, just one suggestion: Why does the Characters window (F11) close > >automatically? I'd like it to stay open. If you're using a MathGreek > >again as well. Could this be done? > Maybe, one day. Thanks, that'd be nice. :-) > >Then there's another *very* small wish I have (nothing special with > >2.54): I'm using smaller toolsprites. So, the scroll bars are > >smaller here. And in consequence, the bottom info pane isn't > >attached properly at the window. It would be a nice thing if > >OvationPro would read the height of the toolsprites instead of > >assuming the default one. But that's really only a minor point. > Opro actually saves the position of that pane, it doesn't position it > relative to the scroll bar size. So you can change the thing > yourself. It's all so that you can have the toolbar in some totally > different place like the top of the window. Cool! It works! Well, that's something which isn't mentioned in the documentation, is it? > >If you drag a picture format into OvationPro that has to go through > >a filter, then the filter uses the Scrap directories for storage. > >And the reference in the document is pointing to the Scrap file, > >which isn't necessarily there anymore when loading or printing the > >file again. > Yes all this is discussed in the new documentation. I suppose the bug > is that it should not even attempt to reference such a file. Hm, indeed, any path containing or starting with Scrap should be ignored, or at least the user should be asked if he is sure what he's doing. Thanks for all your help and answers! :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Better to understand a little than to misunderstand a lot. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105299 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938295775:10:29211:19; Sat, 25 Sep 99 21:42:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108847; 25 Sep 99 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01808 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:13:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01803 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 22:13:15 +0100 Received: from g6tsf.demon.co.uk ([158.152.255.214]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Uz6r-000Eeh-0C; Sat, 25 Sep 1999 21:11:57 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 10:05:51 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Shayler Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, "Andy's Progs" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Paul's Computer System X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Sep, Andy's Progs wrote: > On Sat 25 Sep 1999 (02:24:03), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; > > > > >Now what can be wrong with all that? I expect you'll tell me... > > Erm, yes, I keep getting an error when I try to run it. It says "template > PixImport not found." Any ideas? I tried to install the upgrade, all appeared well. Then on running I got the same error message as Andy. On checking it looks like some of the upgrade files have not been installed. I then did a "manual" install of the files and it all appears to work now. Regards Paul -- NO RISC??..........NO FUN!! ACORN SA-RPC using SA-110 StrongARM (TM) RISC processor Paul G6TSF g6tsf@amsat.org -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105303 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938346668:20:03205:18; Sun, 26 Sep 99 11:51:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003063; 26 Sep 99 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03697 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:10:46 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03692 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:10:44 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip42 [129.69.189.42]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA10314 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:51:51 +0200 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <4947846353bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Andy's Progs wrote: [snip] > However, it only does it ocassionally... not every time, but enough > to annoy me! > What's the problem here? Is it an applet, or a bugette? The problem is, that you mustn't select the last newline of the paragraph. When you keep attention that the newline isn't selected when applying the style, then it works as you expect it to work. If you erroneously select the newline as well, then the style (in your case justification) is applied to the full next line as well. Hope this helps. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Recursive, adj.: see Recursive -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:33:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105305 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:33:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938346801:20:04120:17; Sun, 26 Sep 99 11:53:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116090; 26 Sep 99 11:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03783 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:39:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03778 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:39:32 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.216) [62.188.146.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11VCd4-0005ve-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:38:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:25:57 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 26 Sep 1999 (11:05:05 +0100), tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Have successfully upgraded to 2.54 but I have found that when I insert >the date either manually or using the Fancydate applet, on pressing >return the next consecutive number is inserted on the next line eg. > >25th September 1999 [return] >26 > >Pressing return again however clears the second number > >Has anyone else come across this oddity? Isn't this the bug in the Levens list applet? Is this fixed yet, BTW? HTH, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105317 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938342514:10:26592:17; Sun, 26 Sep 99 10:41:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026377; 26 Sep 99 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03516 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:08:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03511 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:08:56 +0100 Received: from (194.69.99.56) [194.69.99.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11VBDP-0004gE-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:07:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:05:05 +0100 Subject: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49478b17b1tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Have successfully upgraded to 2.54 but I have found that when I insert the date either manually or using the Fancydate applet, on pressing return the next consecutive number is inserted on the next line eg. 25th September 1999 [return] 26 Pressing return again however clears the second number Has anyone else come across this oddity? Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105320 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938357310:20:26420:19; Sun, 26 Sep 99 14:48:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129555; 26 Sep 99 14:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04436 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:33:18 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04431 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:33:16 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-102.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.102]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14609 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:31:41 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 11:03:12 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Decimal character Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105014@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <105014@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >For some reason I have a '6' in the decimal character box of my general > >preferences. However, if I click 'OK' I get "Unknown tytpe of units" error!? > >Whassat mean? > > Sounds like the preferences are corrupt. > > Which is interesting, I wonder how you managed that. > Looking at another copy of OvationPro the layout of the window is different, might I have a Template problem? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105321 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938347645:10:27583:20; Sun, 26 Sep 99 12:07:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129743; 26 Sep 99 12:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA03858 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:53:12 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03853 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 12:53:05 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip36 [129.69.189.36]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id NAA10546 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Ovprolist Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:30:45 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494792efb5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <49478b17b1tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <49478b17b1tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49478b17b1tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: [snip] > 25th September 1999 [return] > 26 > Pressing return again however clears the second number > Has anyone else come across this oddity? This sounds like a side effect of the !List applet to me. I get this with the German date notation at least: 25. September 1999 [return] 26. But why it's the same for th at the end? And if it's not !List, then perhaps another applet is doing something similar. I don't get your described behaviour with 25th, only with 25. Hope this helps. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 1/1=1.089089789701234132 : It's close enough. (Intel 1994) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105322 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938358980:20:10542:17; Sun, 26 Sep 99 15:16:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105680; 26 Sep 99 15:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04602 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:02:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04597 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from (62.188.132.144) [62.188.132.144] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11VFnP-0001DM-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:01:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:01:05 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 26 Sep 1999 (12:25:57 +0100), pnyoung@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Sun 26 Sep 1999 (11:05:05 +0100), tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk > wrote: >Have successfully upgraded to 2.54 but I have found that when I > insert > >the date either manually or using the Fancydate applet, on pressing > >return the next consecutive number is inserted on the next line eg. > > > >25th September 1999 [return] > >26 > > > >Pressing return again however clears the second number > > > >Has anyone else come across this oddity? > > Isn't this the bug in the Levens list applet? Is this fixed yet, BTW? > I had the same complaint, just de-activated applet "List", everything now seems O.K., thanks for thought starter. Cheers Bryan, To David Thanks for a brilliant prog, beautiful. -- _____________________________________________________________________ || Sunny / /\ / bkirk@argonet.co.uk / \ Blackpool / / \ / Tel: 01253 - 351447 _/\____/\______________/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105327 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938348991:10:05719:18; Sun, 26 Sep 99 12:29:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123712; 26 Sep 99 12:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA03978 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:15:49 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA03971 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:15:47 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.8]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA32F7 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:13:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 13:46:17 +0200 Subject: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <4947945bbedelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Very, very, VERY satisfied about the 'large picture handling'. A beautiful implementation, indeed! (By the way, does someone know a key shortcut for popping up the hyphenation dictionary?) Very grateful, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105328 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938365913:20:13757:24; Sun, 26 Sep 99 17:11:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107900; 26 Sep 99 17:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA05012 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:44:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05007 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:44:08 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11VHNl-000OIm-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:42:40 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:42:49 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 25 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; > > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip > [snip] Many thanks david for all your hard word. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105333 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938358108:10:01978:24; Sun, 26 Sep 99 15:01:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123178; 26 Sep 99 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04443 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:33:24 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04438 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:33:22 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-102.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.102]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA14619 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:31:45 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 10:57:19 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page renumbering - a problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <105124@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <105124@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >Further investigations have shown that I can't save other chapters in > >this series as DDL files either (although the others will all submit > >to page-renumbering happily enough). I suppose the 'problem' has > >been propagated from chapter 1 although it seems odd that none of the > >chapters will generate DDL files but only one objects to being > >renumbered. > > By the sound of it something in your documents has become corrupt. > Bad news. It might be interesting for me to look at one of these, > if there's one which is not too large. (send it to david@pilling.demon.co.uk > not this address or the list). > > At least handling of large pictures is about to be greatly improved, > and it does make dealing with documents that contain them a lot easier. > I've just had a similar (from one point of view) problem with a one page document that contained just 1 Artworks graphic (headed paper). Theproblem was that I got a type=5 failure every time I opened the Master Page editing window. This behaviour was preserved after saving out as DDL. I wonder if it would be useful to have an analyser that looks at DDL structure and makes a list of inconsistencies? Does DDL have data that can be cross-checked to find faults? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:34:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105336 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:34:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938358464:10:04533:18; Sun, 26 Sep 99 15:07:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004228; 26 Sep 99 15:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04553 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:52:34 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA04548 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:52:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 23778 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 14:51:04 -0000 Received: from userl947.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.76.252) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 14:51:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:47:37 +0100 Subject: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi ho... hi ho... it's off to work we go. Upgraded my 2.52 to 2.54 yesterday (Saturday) all went well... Ov Pro works okay... one minor annoyance has reappeared. Today (Sunday). As it's getting close to the end of the month, a lot of paperwork to customers needed doing. When it came to printing the docs, OvPro threw up an error that used to happen... quite a few verions ago, and I haven't seen since. "Area to be printed is bigger than paper size and will be cropped... etc." I'm using the same document templates I was using on Friday... and I can't remember what used to cause it. Infact I'm using the same document templates I was using a year ago... let alone a couple of days ago. Any thoughts please... The docs still print out the same as they always have done, but it's an annoyance. cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105338 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938371821:20:08097:17; Sun, 26 Sep 99 18:50:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112531; 26 Sep 99 18:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05483 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:36:55 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05478 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:36:53 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip36 [129.69.189.36]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id UAA13096 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:21:18 +0200 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <4947b885d5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes wrote: [snip] > Any thoughts please... The docs still print out the same as they > always have done, but it's an annoyance. Then try deselecting "Crop check" in the Print choices section of Choices. Hope this helps. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Psalm 89,11b : "Thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy Strong Arm" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105339 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938372208:20:11950:20; Sun, 26 Sep 99 18:56:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011722; 26 Sep 99 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05529 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:42:43 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05524 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:42:40 +0100 Received: from modem-105.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.105] helo=default) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11VJEV-0007Ao-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:41:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01bf084f$67f03fa0$6908883e@default> From: "joanne hartley" To: References: <4946b6377erayd@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: !PSCode Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:43:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro It seems you have the wrong email address. I haven't got a clue what talking about! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ray Dawson To: Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 8:19 PM Subject: !PSCode > > What does it do? > > I had to reinstall Ovation Pro today when I installed a new hard drive > and although I went from a disc copy of 2.46-2.51-2.52, I seemed to pick > this one up along the way. > > It threw a wobbly about fatal errors and displayed its contents in Zap's > throwback window, so presumably it suffers from the bug that David > mentioned. But is it important? It would seem not as it's not in my > working copy - even though I do use a Postscript driver. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > > -- > > .===================================. > | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 > | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk > '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105342 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938376435:20:23207:16; Sun, 26 Sep 99 20:07:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023175; 26 Sep 99 20:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA05972 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:08:19 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05967 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:08:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 17110 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 20:06:47 -0000 Received: from userm345.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.78.141) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 20:06:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:07:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <4947c233f1df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4947b885d5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk> <4947b885d5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4947b885d5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, > D.A.Symes wrote: > [snip] > > Any thoughts please... The docs still print out the same as they > > always have done, but it's an annoyance. > Then try deselecting "Crop check" in the Print choices section of > Choices. > Hope this helps. > Greetings, > Stefan. Thanks Stefan, that's sorted it out. So How did that thing of unmarried parents suddenly get switched on? Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105344 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938368385:10:13073:25; Sun, 26 Sep 99 17:53:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012994; 26 Sep 99 17:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA05172 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:25:21 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05167 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:25:19 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-94.access.ch [195.112.70.94]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA01303 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:23:49 +0200 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:54:47 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Decimal character To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <105014@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 24 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >For some reason I have a '6' in the decimal character box of my general > >preferences. However, if I click 'OK' I get "Unknown tytpe of units" error!? > >Whassat mean? Is this a normal 6 as you would see when using the system font or some other font? Or is it more like a superscript font? In the latter case it is probably Ascii 156 that has been entered. To check, go to the command line and type *Alphabet Latin1 Sounds like the preferences are corrupt. > > Which is interesting, I wonder how you managed that. If it is Ascii156 it normally represents a cross. Not bad to signal a crash ;-) But probably not meant to act that way. > > David Pilling > Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105346 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938379112:20:18371:17; Sun, 26 Sep 99 20:51:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119956; 26 Sep 99 20:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06091 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:13 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06086 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:11 +0100 Received: from pudy.zetnet.co.uk (man-276.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.94]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id VAA00905 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 16:54:07 +0100 From: Andrew Pullan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <220cab4749.a.j.pullan@a.pullan.zetnet.co.uk> References: <494702af22bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <5927254749.a.j.pullan@a.pullan.zetnet.co.uk> <494737144eBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494737144eBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Somtimes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <494737144eBrian_and_Jennie@drood68.freeserve.co.uk> Brian and Jennie Jordan wrote: > > Bit of a problem with the upgrade tool I feel. > > [Snip] > > Sorry if this isn't the problem but it it's my guess that it is. There is > an implied AND THEN between the upgrade instructions. i.e. It was. Missing out one of the upgrade actions doesn't help with upgrades! > 3. Drag the !OvnPro directory from the archive you downloaded > into the same directory viewer as your new copy of Ovation Pro. Beep! How come that no matter how many times I read the ReadMe file, I missed action 3? -- Andrew Pullan dawn chorus(n): Nature's way of telling the programmer to go to sleep. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105348 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938379593:20:22918:18; Sun, 26 Sep 99 20:59:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022777; 26 Sep 99 20:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA06098 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:20 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA06093 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:32:17 +0100 Received: from pudy.zetnet.co.uk (man-276.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.94]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id VAA00923 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:30:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 17:00:34 +0100 From: Andrew Pullan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: References: <105262@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105262@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Somtimes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <105262@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >In fact having just upgraded to 2.52 and checked the Templates file, I find > >it's not been upgraded again! > >Bit of a problem with the upgrade tool I feel. > > What upgrade tool is that? Well I was thinking of the !Upgrade application that appears in all the zip files. > You copy the files by hand. If you > can't copy these files how do you copy any others ;-) Erm! Well! Er! I read through the ReadMe file several times and then proceded to skip step 3! ;-) > David Pilling > -- Andrew Pullan dawn chorus(n): Nature's way of telling the programmer to go to sleep. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105349 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938370438:10:27879:18; Sun, 26 Sep 99 18:27:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127862; 26 Sep 99 18:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05332 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:13:10 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05327 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:13:08 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-109.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.109]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA29806 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 18:11:38 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 15:34:31 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4947846353bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4947846353bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article , > Andy's Progs wrote: > > [snip] > > > However, it only does it ocassionally... not every time, but enough > > to annoy me! > > > What's the problem here? Is it an applet, or a bugette? > > The problem is, that you mustn't select the last newline of the > paragraph. When you keep attention that the newline isn't selected when > applying the style, then it works as you expect it to work. If you > erroneously select the newline as well, then the style (in your case > justification) is applied to the full next line as well. > That's assuming Andy is selecting a paragraph while using a 'Paragraph Apply' context: If the cursor is placed in the middle of the paragraph/line without selection does the style still overflow past the single para-break? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105351 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938371728:10:07105:21; Sun, 26 Sep 99 18:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126027; 26 Sep 99 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05395 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:21:21 +0100 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.20.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05390 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 19:21:19 +0100 Received: from marotzke.zfn.uni-bremen.de (moritz30.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.6.70]) by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (8.9.1a/ZfNServer) with SMTP id UAA69318 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:14:11 +0200 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 20:19:16 +0100 (BST) From: Friedrich Marotzke Subject: Q: Set Artworks quality To: OvationPro Mailing Liste Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've just upgraded to 2.54. During the process the file in which the Artworks quality is permanently stored was overwritten. Can anyone point me in the right direction? TIA Friedrich -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:35:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105350 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938382836:20:25555:17; Sun, 26 Sep 99 21:53:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107682; 26 Sep 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA06401 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:26:13 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06396 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 22:26:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 17871 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 21:24:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.130.167) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 21:24:36 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:27:31 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: TransWord? To: Ovation Pro List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-IS-UID: 938384559 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There was mention here the other day of !TransWord (similar to !TransRTF etc). Can anyone point me to a source (or send a copy)? I've checked David Pilling's site and the OvationPro site but not found any mention of the import filters. TIA Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:36:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105370 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:36:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938385864:10:28516:18; Sun, 26 Sep 99 22:44:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028413; 26 Sep 99 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06605 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:17:27 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06600 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:17:25 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip47 [129.69.189.47]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id AAA15137 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:15:31 +0200 Subject: Re: Version 2.54 Message-ID: <4947cdf725bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <4947c233f1df.symes@argonet.co.uk> References: <4947a4f5a5df.symes@argonet.co.uk> <4947b885d5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <4947c233f1df.symes@argon User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4947c233f1df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes wrote: > In article <4947b885d5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>, > Stefan Bellon wrote: [snip] > > Then try deselecting "Crop check" in the Print choices section of > > Choices. [snip] > So How did that thing of unmarried parents suddenly get switched on? I'm not sure, but here it's ticked as well. Must check whether it was with v2.52 or not. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Every time I lose weight... it finds me again. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:36:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105372 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:36:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938385864:10:28519:19; Sun, 26 Sep 99 22:44:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109356; 26 Sep 99 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06591 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:15:24 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA06586 for ; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 23:15:22 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip47 [129.69.189.47]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id AAA15113 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 00:13:19 +0200 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <4947cdc3c6bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <4947846353bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk>, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > In message <4947846353bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> > Stefan Bellon > wrote: [snip] > > The problem is, that you mustn't select the last newline of the > > paragraph. When you keep attention that the newline isn't selected > > when applying the style, then it works as you expect it to work. If > > you erroneously select the newline as well, then the style (in your > > case justification) is applied to the full next line as well. > > > That's assuming Andy is selecting a paragraph while using a > 'Paragraph Apply' context: If the cursor is placed in the middle of > the paragraph/line without selection does the style still overflow > past the single para-break? No, at least not here with my copy of 2.54. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 1/1=1.089089789701234132 : It's close enough. (Intel 1994) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:36:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105374 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:36:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938448988:20:26476:20; Mon, 27 Sep 99 16:16:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128806; 27 Sep 99 16:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08648 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:37:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08643 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:37:20 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.243) [193.149.76.243] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Vcpt-0000P2-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 16:37:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 15:33:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <4948278c3clionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> References: <4947846353bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <84c2a34749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk>, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > That's assuming Andy is selecting a paragraph while using a 'Paragraph > Apply' context: If the cursor is placed in the middle of the > paragraph/line without selection does the style still overflow past the > single para-break? Indeed. Paragraph Apply can be the crux of this matter. With Publisher also. It can be frustrating until you twig what is happening. My earlier experiences with programs such as this on Mac's for instance did give me an insight into the sources of trouble. It can be a good idea to delete all white space and then try again. Now if we could display all these control codes then things could become that little bit more obvious. Now of course I am about to be jumped on, from a great height, because this can be done and I didn't know it. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:36:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105393 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:36:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938455503:10:17442:18; Mon, 27 Sep 99 18:05:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104060; 27 Sep 99 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08918 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:48:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08913 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:48:14 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.58) [193.149.85.58] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Vesc-0003Ih-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:48:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Ovprolist Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 21:40:06 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <4947c53b17tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <494792efb5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <49478b17b1tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> <494792efb5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <494792efb5bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de>, Stefan Bellon wrote: > In article <49478b17b1tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, > Tony Humphreys wrote: > [snip] > > 25th September 1999 [return] > > 26 > > Pressing return again however clears the second number > > Has anyone else come across this oddity? > This sounds like a side effect of the !List applet to me. I get this > with the German date notation at least: > 25. September 1999 [return] > 26. > But why it's the same for th at the end? And if it's not !List, then > perhaps another applet is doing something similar. I don't get your > described behaviour with 25th, only with 25. > Hope this helps. > Greetings, > Stefan. Have tried disabling the !List applet and this does indeed fix the problem. However when clicking on the icon bar icon to open a new document I get a blank error message window which has to be cancelled before the new document opens. This problem goes away when the !List applet is re-instated. Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use RISC OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:37:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105395 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:36:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938459385:10:04634:17; Mon, 27 Sep 99 19:09:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100036; 27 Sep 99 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA09066 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:53:22 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09061 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:53:19 +0100 Received: from modem-42.polonium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.41.170] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Vftb-00080v-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:53:08 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:46:26 +0100 From: Mark To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Superscript dates Message-ID: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious but is it possible to have the th/rd/st in an active date in superscript? As the date appears to be a single character I suspect it isn't possible by hand but maybe there is a choices option I'm missing, or could it be added? Thanks, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>You might have mail. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:37:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105399 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:37:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938467505:10:10276:17; Mon, 27 Sep 99 21:25:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009940; 27 Sep 99 21:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09422 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:07:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09417 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:07:05 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.148) [62.188.133.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Vhz1-0007hi-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:06:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr Charles Ebrill) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:05:21 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Messages file Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am probably being stupid (as usual), but have recently reloaded Ovpro to have a copy to upgrade. I get a message that the "messages file not found, find a disc with program resources on it and try again" I have looked at all the discs, RTFM, and looked at the website. Can anyone point me in the right direction to find it? Charles -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cebrill@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:37:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105402 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:37:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938468528:10:22874:17; Mon, 27 Sep 99 21:42:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1022779; 27 Sep 99 21:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA09467 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:13:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09462 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:13:02 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.115) [193.149.74.115] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Vi4n-00006M-00; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:12:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:05:23 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Succesfully upgraded to 2.54 last night and was playing with referenced pictures. Playing devils advocate to be precise! Not having fully read the documentation I was envisaging the problems which coild occur with references to non existent, renamed or corrupt files. Bad page number is what happened. So I read the documentation and found out how to solve the problem however... 1 You need to be able to get to a small bit of the page to get the main menu and it could just be possible that the picture is so close to the edge of the document that this is impossible. 2 Is it possible to have a different error message perhaps with the name of the picture file that is causing the problem. I suppose the answer is no, or else it would have been done. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:37:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105414 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:37:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938474416:20:19366:37; Mon, 27 Sep 99 23:20:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019351; 27 Sep 99 23:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA09746 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:38:12 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA09741 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 23:38:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 14142 invoked from network); 27 Sep 1999 22:37:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.130.84) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 27 Sep 1999 22:37:55 -0000 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:52:09 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4948278c3clionels@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 27 Sep, Lionel Smith wrote: > > It can be a good idea to delete all white space and then try again. Now > if we could display all these control codes then things could become that > little bit more obvious. > > Now of course I am about to be jumped on, from a great height, because > this can be done and I didn't know it. > > Lionel > Is this high enough? Ok then here goes - Shift-Control-O (Menu-View-Options) Switch on invisibles, or the even quicker Control-I toggles invisible characters on and off. (I only picked Ctrl-I up here fairly recently, thanks to whoever mentioned in relation to forcing a screen re-draw). Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:37:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105419 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:37:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938514179:20:13382:29; Tue, 28 Sep 99 10:22:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013436; 28 Sep 99 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA10981 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:36:30 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10976 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:36:28 +0100 Received: from modem-18.chlorine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.8.18] helo=beeston12) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Vtg9-0000dp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:36:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 10:35:28 +0100 From: Robin Phillips To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <8dd904849%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA10977 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB10981 Dear David Pilling, I downloaded the new version, 2.54, of Ovation pro yesterday evening, so = now I am attempting to install it. I do apologise for bothering you, but I want to be QUITE sure what I am d= oing, rather than cause any damage! The first step, making a copy of my existing OvationPro, I botched sevral= times because I tried to copy it onto a disc where apparently there was = not enough room. Actually I tried to copy the entire contents of the Har= dDisc4.$.OvationPro directory, which was perhaps not necessary. I then c= opied simply !OVNPRO from inside that directory onto another floppy. By = the way I do have the original discs from which this was installed, and h= ave checked the version, which is 2.52. What concerns me this morning is that if I dolble-click on the icon in th= e HardDisc directory I get the message " Error ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Ovation= Pro.!OVNPRO.!Run not found " and I wonder if this file has got lost some= how in the copying, or whether its absence is to be expected and is somet= hing to do with copy-protection. In view of my not being sure I am doing nothing further till I hear from = you, but of course this also means I cannot do any word-processing! Yours sincerely, Robin. In message <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >=20 > OvationPro 2.54 is now available from this URL; >=20 > http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling/ovationpro/upgrade254/252.zip --=20 Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle=20 Avenue, Beeston, Nottingham,=20 NG9 1BT. Phone: 0115 922 4930 3=A4=FF=FF=FF=FF -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:38:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105425 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:38:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938520285:10:18878:17; Tue, 28 Sep 99 12:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018857; 28 Sep 99 12:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA11402 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:33:08 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA11397 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 12:33:03 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-15.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.81]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA00560 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:30:43 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:31:09 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: 2 OPro's - no To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro You can have a million copies of OP loaded onto the icon bar. But I only want 1. Is there a simple little thing I can put in... the !Run file? or wherever to stop this. It's a problem for me because I load OP with a keypress. Sometimes whatever window I'm working in loses the focus for whatever reason without me noticing - key shortcut the next action, and, dum-dee-dum (tap fingers on table waiting for OP to load - again). A little notice like: "I'm sorry sir. What on earth do you think you're trying to do? Pay attention" would be nice. thanks: tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 18:38:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105428 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 18:38:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938534300:10:28200:111; Tue, 28 Sep 99 15:58:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025471; 28 Sep 99 15:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA11788 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:14:34 +0100 Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA11783 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:14:32 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id A6B4A9BFD for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:13:36 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Devon Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:08:21 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2 OPro's - no Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.20 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 28 Sep, Tim King wrote: > You can have a million copies of OP loaded onto the icon bar. But I only > want 1. Is there a simple little thing I can put in... the !Run file? or wherever > to stop this. It's a problem for me because I load OP with a keypress. > Sometimes whatever window I'm working in loses the focus for whatever reason > without me noticing - key shortcut the next action, and, dum-dee-dum (tap > fingers on table waiting for OP to load - again). > > A little notice like: "I'm sorry sir. What on earth do you think you're > trying to do? Pay attention" would be nice. > > thanks: tim Here's my version: save this, change filetype to Basic and call it at the top of the !Run file. By changing the name at the beginning you can use it for other apps as well. A$="OvationPro":DIMM%&200:SYS&42681,0,M%,&200TO,,U%:P%=0:REPEATSYS&46,!(M%+P%+ 4),0TOS$:IFS$=A$ERROR0,A$+" is already running" P%+=16:UNTILP%=&200-U% -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 19:32:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105453 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 19:32:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938541351:20:18801:24; Tue, 28 Sep 99 17:55:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018938; 28 Sep 99 17:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA12222 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:21:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12217 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 18:21:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W0wE-000MmG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:21:14 +0000 Date: Sat, 25 Sep 99 23:21:03 GMT Message-Id: <105266@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page renumbering - a problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Further investigations have shown that I can't save other chapters in >>this series as DDL files either (although the others will all submit >>to page-renumbering happily enough). I suppose the 'problem' has >>been propagated from chapter 1 although it seems odd that none of the >>chapters will generate DDL files but only one objects to being >>renumbered. >By the sound of it something in your documents has become corrupt. >Bad news. In fact the document is not corrupt. However the explanation reveals a significant problem. The cause of all the trouble is that the document has embedded frames which have been made too big for the text story they are in. So there's a document and there are a number of embedded frames which are not visible. In a number of situations the program attempts to reference the page an embedded frame is on - result disaster... The workaround is easy just make the frames bigger so the embedded frames can flow back. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 20:44:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105458 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 20:44:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938547078:20:27182:22; Tue, 28 Sep 99 19:31:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109835; 28 Sep 99 19:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12444 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:14:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12439 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:14:54 +0100 Received: from island-phase.demon.co.uk ([193.237.208.208]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W2hl-000EXw-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:14:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Norris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:14:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <4948ca9593mike@island-phase.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <8dd904849%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> References: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8dd904849%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > Hi, > >I've been using v2.52 for some time now, I upgraded v2.51 to v2.52 via the > >Web site. Magically it no longer appears to be protected! I can copy it and > >use it from any directory ... a real boon, as it should have been from the > >start. > I think the logic logic isn't involved here ... it happened! > in the above is not necessarily correct. Once you > install OPro on one disc, you can move it or make copies of it on that > disc. Thats the way it has always been. Not so ... in the past when I used v2.46 it was directory specific, as was v2.51 ... they gave a 'not installed on this disc message' and refused to run from anywhere on the disc except the installation directory. Only since I upgraded to v2.52 has this bar been lifted. > >However I've just tried to upgrade to v2.54 The upgrade process seems to work > >O.K. but when I try to load OvnPro v2.54 to the icon bar it bombs with an > >abort on data transfer error &0000807C. > Very interesting. I've got one other report of that here. I've not > a clue what the trouble is though. Someone once said about the > older upgrades that they could not get them to work on SCSI discs > e.g. problems doing block loads on some SCSI systems. I've just got an ordinary IDE drive! I remain ... Puzzled! -- .. Just a Physicist playing with the Universe .. Mike Norris resides in the English Lake District ... Acorn StrongArm 233MHz RiscPC ... -- .. Just a Physicist playing with the Universe .. Mike Norris resides in the English Lake District ... Acorn StrongArm 233MHz RiscPC ... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 21:31:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105498 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 21:31:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938549391:20:03381:37; Tue, 28 Sep 99 20:09:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112012; 28 Sep 99 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12598 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:40:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12593 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:40:40 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.207) [193.149.83.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11W36l-0003qv-00; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:40:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: Ovation Pro List Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:56:09 +0100 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <4948c3627clionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <4948278c3clionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12m (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Anthony Hilton wrote: > Ok then here goes - Shift-Control-O (Menu-View-Options) Switch on > invisibles, Err! Yes. But ... > or the even quicker Control-I toggles invisible characters on and off. > (I only picked Ctrl-I up here fairly recently, thanks to whoever > mentioned in relation to forcing a screen re-draw). Ah! That's more what I had in mind. That is a most useful tip. Thanks. :-) Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 21:31:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105500 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 21:31:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938549581:20:06748:18; Tue, 28 Sep 99 20:13:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006628; 28 Sep 99 20:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA12678 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:55:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12672 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:55:45 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.153) [62.188.134.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11W3LL-0004ew-00; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 20:55:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 13:46:36 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 26 Sep 1999 (15:34:31 +0100), pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk wrote: >> The problem is, that you mustn't select the last newline of the >> paragraph. When you keep attention that the newline isn't selected when >> applying the style, then it works as you expect it to work. If you >> erroneously select the newline as well, then the style (in your case >> justification) is applied to the full next line as well. >> > >That's assuming Andy is selecting a paragraph while using a 'Paragraph >Apply' context: If the cursor is placed in the middle of the >paragraph/line without selection does the style still overflow past the >single para-break? > > Yes, it still does it then, even with no text selected. It seems to treat it as though the carriage returns aren't there! If you want, I can enclose a binary of one of the files in question... obviously not via the maillist! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) 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To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 24 Sep, Anthony Hilton wrote: > There was mention here the other day of !TransWord (similar to !TransRTF > etc). Can anyone point me to a source (or send a copy)? I've checked David > Pilling's site and the OvationPro site but not found any mention of the > import filters. > > TIA > My thanks to Norman Thomas for sending a copy and Peter Young for offering a copy. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 23:12:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105518 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 23:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938551967:20:15255:22; Tue, 28 Sep 99 20:52:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015071; 28 Sep 99 20:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA12868 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:24:14 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12863 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 21:24:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 32599 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1999 20:20:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mayfly.force9.net) (195.166.128.28) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 20:20:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 27913 invoked from network); 28 Sep 1999 20:20:57 -0000 Received: from 01-18.dialup.force9.net (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.130.146) by mayfly.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 28 Sep 1999 20:20:57 -0000 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 19:50:30 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <4948278c3clionels@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 27 Sep, Lionel Smith wrote: > > It can be a good idea to delete all white space and then try again. Now > if we could display all these control codes then things could become that > little bit more obvious. > Please excuse a second - different - follow-up from me to this message. Would it be possible to have a wildcard for white space available for search and replace - the designation could be \w? I think it was available in Pagemaker5 on PC (and presumably Mac). It would be useful when a typist has used a wordprocessor to enter text but used lots (varying from line to line) of spaces instead of tabs to enable a single search and replace to put them all to tabs instead of my current practice of replace 3 spaces with a tab, replace 2 tabs with a single tab, and again a few times until all are done, replace tab-space with a tab, repeat a couple of times to be sure you've caught them all. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 23:12:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105523 for opro ; Tue, 28 Sep 99 23:12:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938553502:10:15316:33; Tue, 28 Sep 99 21:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015379; 28 Sep 99 21:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13004 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:02:26 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA12999 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:02:19 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip29 [129.69.189.29]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id XAA19415 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 22:33:24 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <4948cc49fcbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <4948ca9593mike@island-phase.demon.co.uk> References: <105197@pilling.demon.co.uk> <8dd904849%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> <4948ca9593mike@island-phase.demon.co. User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4948ca9593mike@island-phase.demon.co.uk>, Mike Norris wrote: > On 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: [being or not being able to move OvationPro copies] > > I think the logic > logic isn't involved here ... it happened! > > in the above is not necessarily correct. Once you install OPro on > > one disc, you can move it or make copies of it on that disc. Thats > > the way it has always been. > Not so ... in the past when I used v2.46 it was directory specific, > as was v2.51 ... they gave a 'not installed on this disc message' and > refused to run from anywhere on the disc except the installation > directory. Only since I upgraded to v2.52 has this bar been lifted. I can't second that. It's always been that you could move !OvnPro around on the same _partition_ here. I'm using it since 2.46g and didn't miss out one available version, BTW. :-) On my setup at least I was able to move OvnPro around on the same partition. In fact, that's what I've always done when a new version was available: (1) Copy the old one to a subdir, (2) check that it works from *there*, and then (3) update the main application with the new archive. If (2) wouldn't have worked, I'd have noticed that. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 We must proactively pursue enterprise-wide catalysts for change in order to efficiently foster long-term high-impact methods of empowerment to meet our deadlines. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 01:41:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105552 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 01:41:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938560707:10:17425:19; Tue, 28 Sep 99 23:18:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110332; 28 Sep 99 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13525 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:43:42 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13520 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:43:40 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.102) [193.149.74.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11W5xp-0001by-00; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:43:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:43:30 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 4.02 Subject: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Succesfully upgraded to 2.54 last night and was playing with referenced pictures. Playing devils advocate to be precise! Not having fully read the documentation I was envisaging the problems which coild occur with references to non existent, renamed or corrupt files. Bad page number is what happened. So I read the documentation and found out how to solve the problem however... 1 You need to be able to get to a small bit of the page to get the main menu and it could just be possible that the picture is so close to the edge of the document that this is impossible. 2 Is it possible to have a different error message perhaps with the name of the picture file that is causing the problem. I suppose the answer is no, or else it would have been done. -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:05:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105614 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938573826:10:04543:20; Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:57:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115941; 29 Sep 99 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14015 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13977 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9E8-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:16 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:41:56 GMT Message-Id: <105589@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Decimal character X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Looking at another copy of OvationPro the layout of the window is different, >might I have a Template problem? Highly likely... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:05:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105615 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:05:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938575298:10:16889:18; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:21:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103760; 29 Sep 99 3:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14185 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:03:51 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14180 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:03:46 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-15.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.81]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA11526 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:00:14 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:38:53 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: 2 OPro's - no To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 28 Sep, Martin Devon wrote: > Here's my version: save this, change filetype to Basic and call it at the > top of the !Run file. Ahhh. That's better. I knew it was easy. Thanks. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:05:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105616 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:05:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938576506:10:26673:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:41:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117759; 29 Sep 99 3:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14037 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:13:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13994 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:48 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9EB-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:51:00 GMT Message-Id: <105595@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Superscript dates X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious but is it possible to have >the th/rd/st in an active date in superscript? As the date appears to be >a single character I suspect it isn't possible by hand but maybe there >is a choices option I'm missing, or could it be added? Not possible. Unlikely to be added this side of a giant leap forward in macro text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:05:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105617 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:05:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938577614:10:07577:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 04:00:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128157; 29 Sep 99 3:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA14430 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:31:17 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA14423 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:31:12 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-10.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.76]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA13209 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:28:41 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:30:56 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Q: Set Artworks quality To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105593@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >During the process the file in which the Artworks quality is permanently > >stored was overwritten. Can anyone point me in the right direction? > > Its the Quality applet. Available on the web sites below. > > Hmm I didn't know it was permanantly saved... Not so permanent, by the sound of it ;-) Is the default not set by the OArtWrks applet - line: awsetwysiwyg(110); in !OvnPro.Applets.!OArtWrks.AutoRun.Setting. 110 sets it to 11 (antialiased). !Quality allows you to alter it within a session, yes? So no, it's not saved. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:06:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105620 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:06:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938579346:10:24044:41; Wed, 29 Sep 99 04:29:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024042; 29 Sep 99 4:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13975 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13968 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9E4-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:32:52 GMT Message-Id: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >several type=5 errors without me changing anything else. No applets >added, none removed. So it could be an applet problem. What I'm saying is does it crash on a version with no applets, or at least only the two that come with 2.54? Does it crash after you've used the new large picture features in a session or just after any use? >Indeed. But it doesn't work here, if I enter '=' in there. It still >displays the default '-'. What else could I do the wrong way round? No it works the other way around. If OPro auto hyphenates a word you always get the standard '-' character. What this new choice is about is the situation when you've typed; some-thing and OPro will break on the '-' in it, rather than auto hyphenating. This new choice lets you extend the number of characters that break happens on. Thats why you can enter more than one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:06:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105629 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:06:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938593306:10:00190:37; Wed, 29 Sep 99 08:21:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029997; 29 Sep 99 8:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15862 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:03:13 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15857 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:03:11 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-121.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.121]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA21639 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:02:18 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:09:09 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > On Sun 26 Sep 1999 (15:34:31 +0100), pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk wrote: > >> The problem is, that you mustn't select the last newline of the > >> paragraph. When you keep attention that the newline isn't selected when > >> applying the style, then it works as you expect it to work. If you > >> erroneously select the newline as well, then the style (in your case > >> justification) is applied to the full next line as well. > >> > > > >That's assuming Andy is selecting a paragraph while using a 'Paragraph > >Apply' context: If the cursor is placed in the middle of the > >paragraph/line without selection does the style still overflow past the > >single para-break? > > > > > Yes, it still does it then, even with no text selected. It seems to treat it as > though the carriage returns aren't there! One last attempt at solving this puzzle before I go to bed... those carriage returns... they're definitely 'New paragraphs' and not 'New lines'? SHIFT-Return inserts a 'new-line' which does not start a new paragraph and so does not act a boundary for the Paragraph Apply context. Return on its own is a proper new paragraph. If it's not that then I'm out of ideas... Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:06:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105630 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:06:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938595188:10:26881:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 08:53:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026872; 29 Sep 99 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15957 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:26:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15952 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:26:31 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.160) [62.188.137.160] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WF3n-0007dQ-00; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:25:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:15:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Installation Message-ID: <49490c9568jodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4947155e44rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> <49460a0b23rayd@argonet.co.uk> <494705cf0ejodrell@ar User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <494705cf0ejodrell@argonet.co.uk>, Peter Howard > wrote: > > > Did you backup the old Ovation Pro? If you did, then copy it to the > > > new disc. Then copy the !Runimage from 2.46 into it, overwriting the > > > one that is there. I think that has the protection in it for your new > > > drive. Don't try and run OP at this stage as it has a mixture of old > > > and new. > > > Then, use Freshen to upgrade it to 2.52 and it should work. > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > Many thanks. I now have a working copy of 2.46, but if I try to > > upgrade it to 2.50 using !Upgrade I'm told that "Templates file not > > found. Find a disc ........"" (as before). > When you do the upgrade, as well as clicking on !Upgrade, you need to > copy the !OvnPro application shell over your working one. There are often > scripts and template files in there which are needed in the updated > version. > > Where do I get a copy of Freshen, please? > Freshen was in fact in the 2.51 upgrade and updated the Colour Supp I > believe. > Cheers, > Ray D Very many thanks. I now have 2.54 installed and working. Reagrds/. Peter H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:06:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105633 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:06:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938602497:10:04597:23; Wed, 29 Sep 99 10:54:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101599; 29 Sep 99 10:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16421 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:06:11 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16416 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:06:09 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s11-43-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.43]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:41:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105601@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > What I did think of is, if a picture can't be rendered, then display > the error text in the picture frame. > That seems eminently sensible. I have also tried the referencing system and like it. I use OvPro to produce albums of my C2000Z photos, and this will save a lot of disc space. Previously I had to store both the original pic and the album. Here are a few suggestions and niggles, the latter perhaps unavoidable. 1) The default 'proxy' size and style is not good enough for my purposes, and it is a a pain to change it every time. Knowing your programming style, David, I'm sure there is a way to change the default, but could you let us into the secret please :-) 2). I had a crash (caused by the Calligraph printer driver I think) which lost all the references, although the proxies remained. The menus would not allow me to re-establish the path names. The only fix seemed to be to start again. I realise there is a potential problem with inconsistency between proxy and disc image, but would it not be possible to reload the new image and proxy, but keeping the existing proxy, position and picture settings? 3) I use !Thumbnail to catalogue my photos, but OvPro would not accept images from it, even though they do exist on disc. I imagine other image cataloguing systems will have the same problems. Would it be possible to check whether a file supplied by another app does exist before rejecting a transfer? Of course it would depend on the method used: a scrap file would be no use. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:06:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105634 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:06:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938602541:10:05016:44; Wed, 29 Sep 99 10:55:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005070; 29 Sep 99 10:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16315 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:41:12 +0100 Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16310 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:41:11 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A3E69C06 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:40:24 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:32:46 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: re: 2 Opros - no Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.20 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Not quite sure how, but an = seems to have got lost from my short listing. It should read IFS$=A$... not IFS$A$ -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:06:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105636 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:06:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938604470:10:02238:21; Wed, 29 Sep 99 11:27:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002051; 29 Sep 99 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16375 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:58:31 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA16370 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:58:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 23056 invoked from network); 29 Sep 1999 09:57:50 -0000 Received: from user1220.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.220) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 09:57:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:48:11 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > No it works the other way around. If OPro auto hyphenates a word > you always get the standard '-' character. What this new choice > is about is the situation when you've typed; Please put me out of my misery and tell me where this new choice is based. I've searched Choices, and all the menus, but can't find it. One thing I have noticed is that with RISC OS 4, OP is using a euro sign instead of a tick with some windows, but not all. ie in the Load/edit/create dictionaries. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:07:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105642 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938608814:10:01135:32; Wed, 29 Sep 99 12:40:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001057; 29 Sep 99 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA16074 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:58:06 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16069 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:58:04 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WFYL-0008Gu-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:57:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:57:27 +0100 Subject: Embedded frames (Was: Page renumbering - a problem) Message-ID: <49491068bcC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <105266@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105266@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105266@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > In fact the document is not corrupt. However the explanation reveals > a significant problem. > The cause of all the trouble is that the document has embedded > frames which have been made too big for the text story they are in. > So there's a document and there are a number of embedded frames > which are not visible. > In a number of situations the program attempts to reference the page > an embedded frame is on - result disaster... > The workaround is easy just make the frames bigger so the embedded > frames can flow back. I use embedded frames very frequently in long documents (in fact I use embedded frames almost exclusively), and I think they have been the inadvertant cause of "corrupt" documents I have had in the past. I have not thought it through before, but in the past I have had untold grief with certain documents after making small changes to master page guidelines. On reflection, it could easily have been the case that in making the master frame slightly smaller, I caused one or more embedded frames to overflow the master frame. This then would result in mayhem when the document was reformatted and the too large frames kept forcing new pages. I will make a note of this as a possible problem. If the program exits with a type 5 error then you are stuck, but if the document remains in memory, then it might be recoverable. Is there any way of putting some form of trap into the reformatting process when embedded frames become too large due to a master page change, and giving a warning? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:10:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105645 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:10:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938573909:20:21456:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:58:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120445; 29 Sep 99 2:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14027 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:13:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13990 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9EA-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:18 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:47:34 GMT Message-Id: <105593@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Q: Set Artworks quality X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >During the process the file in which the Artworks quality is permanently >stored was overwritten. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Its the Quality applet. Available on the web sites below. Hmm I didn't know it was permanantly saved... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:10:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105646 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:10:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938575646:20:08638:45; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:27:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008584; 29 Sep 99 3:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13972 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13963 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9E3-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:29:32 GMT Message-Id: <105581@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP 2.54 Artworks applet version?? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The Artworks applet supplied with 2.54 proclaims itself to be version >1.02. The version I had prior to this release is 1.03. Got your version >numbering out of sequence David, or something else? No, the one with 2.54 says it is 1.03, that is wrong, it should be 1.04 I just forgot to bump the version number. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:10:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105647 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:10:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938576579:20:18819:18; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:42:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117259; 29 Sep 99 3:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14036 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:13:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14002 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9ED-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:58:29 GMT Message-Id: <105599@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Would it be possible to have a wildcard for white space available for search >and replace - the designation could be \w? So what would that match? Any number of spaces? or...? >single search and replace to put them all to tabs instead of my current >practice of replace 3 spaces with a tab, replace 2 tabs with a single tab, >and again a few times until all are done, replace tab-space with a tab, You could set up the 'fluff' applet to do this for you. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:10:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105649 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:10:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938577548:20:27343:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:59:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126307; 29 Sep 99 3:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14032 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:13:07 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA14009 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9EF-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 03:00:00 GMT Message-Id: <105601@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >2 Is it possible to have a different error message perhaps with the name of the >picture file that is causing the problem. I suppose the answer is no, or else >it would have been done. Well certainly the file name would be more help, and adding that is no problem. What I did think of is, if a picture can't be rendered, then display the error text in the picture frame. The current system is not ideal - BUT its a lot better than just endlessly giving an error message which some programs do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:10:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105651 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:10:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938578444:20:06477:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 04:14:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006195; 29 Sep 99 4:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14017 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13978 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9E2-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:27:03 GMT Message-Id: <105579@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image Extend 0.78 or newer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I load OvationPro (2.46), an error box from !OArtWrks >informs me I need ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. >Where can I obtain ImageExtend ? Same place you're going to get all the modules needed for viewing Artworks files. (a) with Artworks (b) with Impression (c) with the AWviewer which is common on CD's and magazine discs. It is on the RISC OS 3.70 SA CD, but I didn't find it on the new ROS4 one. (d) CC's web site? If you don't use Artworks files (sounds like it if you don't have the modules) just delete the applet. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:10:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105653 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:10:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938579252:20:14286:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 04:27:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014106; 29 Sep 99 4:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14029 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:13:02 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13997 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:49 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9EC-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:20 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:52:31 GMT Message-Id: <105597@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Messages file X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am probably being stupid (as usual), but have recently reloaded Ovpro to have >a copy to upgrade. I get a message that the "messages file not found, find a >disc with program resources on it and try again" >I have looked at all the discs, RTFM, and looked at the website. Can anyone >point me in the right direction to find it? Inside !OvnPro, there should be a directory !OvnResDir, inside which is a directory UK, inside which the Messages file lives. One thing which strikes me about Install is that to install a copy of OPro you actually need to select 3 items. If you don't you only get a bit of the application. I don't know why they did it this way... 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:11:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105660 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:11:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938579322:20:15072:26; Wed, 29 Sep 99 04:28:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014840; 29 Sep 99 4:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA14024 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:59 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13984 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:45 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9E9-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:42:51 GMT Message-Id: <105591@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Page renumbering - a problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've just had a similar (from one point of view) problem with a one page >document that contained just 1 Artworks graphic (headed paper). Well if you've seen the explanation of the original problem by now you'll probably find it is utterly different. >Theproblem was that I got a type=5 failure every time I opened the Master >Page editing window. This behaviour was preserved after saving out as DDL. >I wonder if it would be useful to have an analyser that looks at DDL >structure and makes a list of inconsistencies? Does DDL have data that can be >cross-checked to find faults? I expect there are some problems that can be found. Saving and reloading DDL will fix many problems. But as with the missing emebed frames it won't fix bugs, and it won't fix everything. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:11:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105664 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:11:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938580838:20:01247:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 04:53:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000816; 29 Sep 99 4:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA13961 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA13955 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 03:12:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11W9E1-000MDQ-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 02:12:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 02:19:56 GMT Message-Id: <105577@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. In the Printing information box, the word "separation" seems to come Agreed. Something is wrong. Yet to discover what... >2. On a page which has been set up for labels - ie with 21 linked frames >and a link on the master page from the last to the first frame - there >is an overflow indicator in the last frame when the text goes on to a >second page - but it should not be there. Well... Attempting to reproduce this does not show the problem. But anyway are you saying this is new to 2.54? >3. Every time I do a Paste am error box appears saying "Not found". The >paste is successful, but the error box is annoying. Probably applet trouble. >4. On a document which used to be three pages and has had just page >3 selected for printing and has been saved, but is now two pages long, >when Print all pages is selected, the 3 is greyed out. On printing, the >error "Page not found" is reported, even though page 3 has not been >selected. I have to select Range, and then All pages to get it to work Thats odd when I try that the single figure is replaced by a range when I click on 'all pages' and it then changes when the number of pages changes. I wonder what the trick is for getting into the above situation? >I had this too. I copied the old !ColSupp.Templatesfile from the old >Applets file in my 2.52 backup into the new 2.54 and it seems to work >OK. Eeek. Not advised. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:12:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105676 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:12:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938596980:20:13365:19; Wed, 29 Sep 99 09:23:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117984; 29 Sep 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15950 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:26:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15945 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:26:29 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.160) [62.188.137.160] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WF3i-0007dQ-00; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:25:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Peter Howard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:14:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Installation Message-ID: <49490c70fejodrell@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4947155e44rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <103617@pilling.demon.co.uk> <494603fdd0jodrell@argonet.co.uk> <49460a0b23rayd@argonet.co.uk> <494705cf0ejodrell@ar User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <494705cf0ejodrell@argonet.co.uk>, Peter Howard > wrote: > > > Did you backup the old Ovation Pro? If you did, then copy it to the > > > new disc. Then copy the !Runimage from 2.46 into it, overwriting the > > > one that is there. I think that has the protection in it for your new > > > drive. Don't try and run OP at this stage as it has a mixture of old > > > and new. > > > Then, use Freshen to upgrade it to 2.52 and it should work. > > > Cheers, > > > Ray D > > Many thanks. I now have a working copy of 2.46, but if I try to > > upgrade it to 2.50 using !Upgrade I'm told that "Templates file not > > found. Find a disc ........"" (as before). > When you do the upgrade, as well as clicking on !Upgrade, you need to > copy the !OvnPro application shell over your working one. There are often > scripts and template files in there which are needed in the updated > version. > > Where do I get a copy of Freshen, please? > Freshen was in fact in the 2.51 upgrade and updated the Colour Supp I > believe. > Cheers, > Ray D Very many thanks. I now have -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:12:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105678 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:12:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938598614:20:08702:48; Wed, 29 Sep 99 09:50:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007628; 29 Sep 99 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA16094 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:04:49 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA16089 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:04:47 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip22 [129.69.189.22]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id LAA26045 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:44:15 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494909b51dbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >several type=5 errors without me changing anything else. No applets > >added, none removed. > So it could be an applet problem. What I'm saying is does it > crash on a version with no applets, or at least only the > two that come with 2.54? I've not had the time to test that properly yet, sorry. > Does it crash after you've used the new large picture features in a > session or just after any use? No, it once crashed just after loading OvationPro, opening and then closing an empty document again. > >Indeed. But it doesn't work here, if I enter '=' in there. It still > >displays the default '-'. What else could I do the wrong way round? > No it works the other way around. If OPro auto hyphenates a word > you always get the standard '-' character. What this new choice > is about is the situation when you've typed; > some-thing > > and OPro will break on the '-' in it, rather than auto hyphenating. > This new choice lets you extend the number of characters that break > happens on. Thats why you can enter more than one. Oh, that's what it's for. I've been wondering whether it would be possible to choose the character that OvationPro prints when hyphenating. Here in Germany sometimes '=' is used instead of '-' to hyphenate words. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 Never get between a programmer and the coffee machine -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:12:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105679 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:12:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938602649:20:12380:19; Wed, 29 Sep 99 10:57:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011797; 29 Sep 99 10:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16452 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:09:25 +0100 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16447 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:09:23 +0100 Received: from modem-204.slamdunk.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.207.204] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WGfK-0001Dc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:08:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 10:56:26 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 28 Sep, Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Mon 27 Sep, Lionel Smith wrote: > > > > > It can be a good idea to delete all white space and then try again. Now > > if we could display all these control codes then things could become that > > little bit more obvious. > > > > Please excuse a second - different - follow-up from me to this message. > > Would it be possible to have a wildcard for white space available for search > and replace - the designation could be \w? I think it was available in > Pagemaker5 on PC (and presumably Mac). > > It would be useful when a typist has used a wordprocessor to enter text but > used lots (varying from line to line) of spaces instead of tabs to enable a > single search and replace to put them all to tabs instead of my current > practice of replace 3 spaces with a tab, replace 2 tabs with a single tab, > and again a few times until all are done, replace tab-space with a tab, > repeat a couple of times to be sure you've caught them all. You could transfer your text to StrongEd and do this. Search for :- {" "}+ Replace with:- "\t" Then transfer it back to Ovation. You can even use the Global clipboard. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e v a n a l l e n . f r e e s e r v e . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:12:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105683 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:12:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938605620:20:28090:76; Wed, 29 Sep 99 11:47:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028423; 29 Sep 99 11:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA16918 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:05:52 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16913 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:05:50 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WHXx-0001fh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:05:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:05:12 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49491c1ac7C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > One thing I have noticed is that with RISC OS 4, OP is using a euro > sign instead of a tick with some windows, but not all. ie in the > Load/edit/create dictionaries. Yes - some of the applets do as well, e.g. the style palette. -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:16:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105686 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:16:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938609449:20:25862:25; Wed, 29 Sep 99 12:50:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112319; 29 Sep 99 12:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17304 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:06:05 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17299 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:06:03 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14303 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:05:25 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:05:24 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Image Extend 0.78 or newer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105579@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > >When I load OvationPro (2.46), an error box from !OArtWrks > >informs me I need ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. > >Where can I obtain ImageExtend ? > > Same place you're going to get all the modules needed for > viewing Artworks files. > I get this problem too. I certainly have ImageExtend but I am not sure where it should go (have tried in !OPro.modules and in with the applet) and I don't know how to tell which version I have. Any clues much appreciated Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:16:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105687 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:16:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938609480:20:26418:19; Wed, 29 Sep 99 12:51:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026237; 29 Sep 99 12:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17535 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:29:15 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17530 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:29:14 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WIqe-0002bE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:28:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:28:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Image Extend 0.78 or newer Message-ID: <494923bd38C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <105579@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12s (RISC-OS/4.02) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Alf Chamings wrote: > On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >When I load OvationPro (2.46), an error box from !OArtWrks > > >informs me I need ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. > > >Where can I obtain ImageExtend ? > > > > Same place you're going to get all the modules needed for > > viewing Artworks files. > > > I get this problem too. I certainly have ImageExtend but I am not > sure where it should go (have tried in !OPro.modules and in with > the applet) and I don't know how to tell which version I have. > Any clues much appreciated Mine is in Boot:Resources.!CCShared.RMStore Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 14:16:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105690 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:16:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938610589:20:10099:85; Wed, 29 Sep 99 13:09:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118702; 29 Sep 99 13:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA17504 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:25:40 +0100 Received: from proteus.eclipse.net.uk (proteus.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.118]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17499 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:25:38 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by proteus.eclipse.net.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB239B33 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:24:35 +0100 (BST) From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:20:59 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: re: 2 Opros - no Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.20 [Linux/i486] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 29 Sep, Toby Bryans wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep, Martin Devon wrote: > > Not quite sure how, but an seems to have got lost from my short listing. > > It should read IFS$A$... not IFS$A$ > > *AHEM* That is navaho. It is fixed in the version that we are > currently testing for release. Right, for the sake of correctness, let me express it thus: an equals sign has been omitted. It should read IFS$(equals sign)A$... -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 19:08:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105733 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:08:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938615445:20:20898:47; Wed, 29 Sep 99 14:30:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101178; 29 Sep 99 14:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16817 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:51:52 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16812 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:51:51 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WHKQ-0001T8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:51:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 11:51:11 +0100 Subject: Re: TransWord? Message-ID: <49491ad236C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: , Anthony Hilton wrote: > In on Fri 24 Sep, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > There was mention here the other day of !TransWord (similar to > > !TransRTF etc). Can anyone point me to a source (or send a copy)? > > I've checked David Pilling's site and the OvationPro site but not > > found any mention of the import filters. > > TransWord *is* on the alternative OP site. Try http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html It was written by Rupert Thompson, but his site seems to be unavailable at the moment. has he moved on to pastures new? -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 19:08:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105739 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:08:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938624171:20:03576:44; Wed, 29 Sep 99 16:56:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114728; 29 Sep 99 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18643 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:33:31 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA18638 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:33:29 +0100 Received: from modem-103.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.79.103] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WMez-0000KJ-00; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:32:54 +0100 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 17:42:14 +0100 From: Mark To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: rmking@ukgateway.net Subject: Re: Superscript dates Message-ID: <1720b74849%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > In article , > Mark wrote: > > Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious but is it possible to have > > the th/rd/st in an active date in superscript? As the date appears to be > > a single character I suspect it isn't possible by hand but maybe there > > is a choices option I'm missing, or could it be added? > > Hello Mark, > > The FancyDate applet will do what you require. > > It is attached in a zip archive. > > Install the applet into Ovation Pro's applet directory and re-load your > Ovation Pro software. > > Press to then enter a fancy date. > > Best wishes, > > > Roger (Applet attached - Thanks) Sorry if I didn't make it clear, I am aware of this applet but what I want is an /active/ date with the superscript, Thanks anyway, Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>I fear explanations explanatory of things explained. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 19:18:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105746 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:18:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938613168:10:22808:24; Wed, 29 Sep 99 13:52:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121740; 29 Sep 99 13:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17871 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:06:35 +0100 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.31]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17866 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:06:33 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04936 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:05:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06578 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:05:53 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:05:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bf0a7b$572ee710$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Steve Ellacott wrote: > 1) The default 'proxy' size and style is not good enough for my > purposes, and > it is a a pain to change it every time. Knowing your programming style, > David, I'm sure there is a way to change the default, but could you let us > into the secret please :-) >From memory, isn't this in the all-new improved general choices dialogue? Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 19:18:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105752 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:18:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938621389:10:05829:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 16:09:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117443; 29 Sep 99 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18526 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:34:13 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18521 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 16:34:06 +0100 Received: from sarpc.local.net (dynip24 [129.69.189.24]) by ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (8.9.3/2.2) with SMTP id RAA02703 f MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:17:37 +0200 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49493336a4bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <49491c1ac7C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> References: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> <49491c1ac7C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49491c1ac7C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk>, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk>, > Ray Dawson wrote: > > One thing I have noticed is that with RISC OS 4, OP is using a euro > > sign instead of a tick with some windows, but not all. ie in the > > Load/edit/create dictionaries. > Yes - some of the applets do as well, e.g. the style palette. That's because the Euro sign in the new RISC OS 4 fonts replaces the tick sign in the RISC OS 3.x fonts. If you want to use a tick and used the tick in the fonts till now, you should use the sprite 'tick' from now on. Other applications like Pluto are affected by this as well, but Jonathan e.g. already fixed it. :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon http://tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/~bellonsn/index.html Acorn Risc PC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 4.02 You cannot kill time without injuring eternity. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 19:51:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105767 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:51:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938630898:10:17623:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 18:48:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017370; 29 Sep 99 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19063 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19055 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WOUO-000F2e-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:04 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 18:57:58 GMT Message-Id: <105724@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Please put me out of my misery and tell me where this new choice is >based. I've searched Choices, and all the menus, but can't find it. What we meant to call it was 'document preferences -> text'. >One thing I have noticed is that with RISC OS 4, OP is using a euro sign >instead of a tick with some windows, but not all. ie in the >Load/edit/create dictionaries. I know. I've got to see what to do. They've removed the tick from the standard font. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 19:51:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105768 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:51:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938630891:20:21089:18; Wed, 29 Sep 99 18:48:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020932; 29 Sep 99 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19048 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:39 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19043 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WOUK-000F2e-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:00 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 18:50:10 GMT Message-Id: <105720@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Q: Set Artworks quality X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Not so permanent, by the sound of it ;-) Is the default not set by the >OArtWrks applet - line: > awsetwysiwyg(110); >in !OvnPro.Applets.!OArtWrks.AutoRun.Setting. 110 sets it to 11 Thats a good idea, but its not standard. Which is why the new AW applet will have clobbered it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 21:44:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105769 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 21:44:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938631605:20:01983:19; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:00:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112052; 29 Sep 99 18:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19057 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19050 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WOUM-000F2e-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:02 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 18:51:47 GMT Message-Id: <105722@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1) The default 'proxy' size and style is not good enough for my purposes, and >it is a a pain to change it every time. Knowing your programming style, >David, I'm sure there is a way to change the default, but could you let us >into the secret please :-) Hey read the documentation... Go to program choices, picture choices. There's a set of icons which let you configure auto proxy over a certain file size, to the far right there is a 'gright' pop up icon. Click on that and you can change the default proxy setting. >2). I had a crash (caused by the Calligraph printer driver I think) which >lost all the references, although the proxies remained. The menus would not >allow me to re-establish the path names. The only fix seemed to be to start >again. I realise there is a potential problem with inconsistency between >proxy and disc image, but would it not be possible to reload the new image >and proxy, but keeping the existing proxy, position and picture settings? Err if you're saying that you lost your referenced files...? then all you do is open the reference window and enter the new path, click on OK. As a short cut you can drop a file into the path writeable to get the path set up. I'm not sure I understood this point. >3) I use !Thumbnail to catalogue my photos, but OvPro would not accept images >from it, even though they do exist on disc. I imagine other image cataloguing >systems will have the same problems. Would it be possible to check whether a >file supplied by another app does exist before rejecting a transfer? Of >course it would depend on the method used: a scrap file would be no use. If the other application does a scrap or RAM transfer then all is lost. If it passes a pointer to the file on disc then it will work. I'm sure I must be guilty of both, e.g. Spark works the first way, Hearsay the second? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 21:44:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105771 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 21:44:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938632259:10:07190:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:10:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007142; 29 Sep 99 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19173 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:40:35 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19168 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:40:33 +0100 Received: from tnt-8-202 (tnt-8-202.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.202]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A7F81DAFF7 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:39:55 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:29:38 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <2ccb444949.dmorrell@dmorrell.ukonline.co.uk> References: <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49490f8f7crayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <105583@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > No it works the other way around. If OPro auto hyphenates a word > > you always get the standard '-' character. What this new choice > > is about is the situation when you've typed; > > Please put me out of my misery and tell me where this new choice is > based. I've searched Choices, and all the menus, but can't find it. > Misc Preferences Text > One thing I have noticed is that with RISC OS 4, OP is using a euro sign > instead of a tick with some windows, but not all. ie in the > Load/edit/create dictionaries. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Hope you find it Dave Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 21:44:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105772 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 21:44:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938631633:20:02287:28; Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:00:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002270; 29 Sep 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19069 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19064 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:30:46 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WOUP-000F2e-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:30:06 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 19:01:11 GMT Message-Id: <105726@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedded frames (Was: Page renumbering - a problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >master page guidelines. On reflection, it could easily have been the >case that in making the master frame slightly smaller, I caused one >or more embedded frames to overflow the master frame. This then would >result in mayhem when the document was reformatted and the too large >frames kept forcing new pages. It doesn't do that. What you get is one blank page, and an overflow indicator on the main text story. OPro tries to fit the stuff on one blank page and if that fails it stops. There are plenty of other situations like this e.g. completely cover up the main text frame with another. >possible problem. If the program exits with a type 5 error then you >are stuck, but if the document remains in memory, then it might be >recoverable. It is highly recoverable if you spot it. >Is there any way of putting some form of trap into the reformatting >process when embedded frames become too large due to a master page >change, and giving a warning? With rectangular frames it is a piece of cake, but OPro is not limited to those. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 22:28:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105798 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 22:28:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938638253:20:10876:23; Wed, 29 Sep 99 20:50:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116207; 29 Sep 99 20:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA19695 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:22:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19690 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:22:17 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.217) [62.188.136.217] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WQED-0007VE-00; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:21:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:07:56 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAA19691 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id VAB19695 On Wed 29 Sep 1999 (02:09:09 +0100), pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk wrote: >One last attempt at solving this puzzle before I go to bed... those >carriage returns... they're definitely 'New paragraphs' and not 'New >lines'? >SHIFT-Return inserts a 'new-line' which does not start a new paragraph >and so does not act a boundary for the Paragraph Apply context. Return >on its own >is a proper new paragraph. > >If it's not that then I'm out of ideas...=20 > I've turned on the invisibles and yes, it appears that there are occasion= ally two different "carriage returns" being entered. One is a "=AC" (next= to the 1 key, gotten by pressing shift) the other looks like a backwards= "P" but filled in. however, it seems to ignore the "shift-enter rule" th= at you mentioned above and sort of do them at will. Once it will do a "=AC= " then next time a "P". no reasonng to it though! --=20 ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags =20 I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Sep 29 23:21:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105810 for opro ; Wed, 29 Sep 99 23:21:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938640954:20:19991:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 21:35:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129077; 29 Sep 99 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19867 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:04:46 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19862 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:04:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 9805 invoked from network); 29 Sep 1999 21:04:02 -0000 Received: from user1221.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.221) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 21:04:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 19:44:14 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <494946215erayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105724@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105724@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105724@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Please put me out of my misery and tell me where this new choice is > >based. I've searched Choices, and all the menus, but can't find it. > What we meant to call it was 'document preferences -> text'. Thanks, I missed that lot. > >One thing I have noticed is that with RISC OS 4, OP is using a euro > >sign instead of a tick with some windows, but not all. ie in the > >Load/edit/create dictionaries. > I know. I've got to see what to do. They've removed the tick from the > standard font. How about using the sprite called tick Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 01:28:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105813 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 01:28:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938645476:10:28919:17; Wed, 29 Sep 99 22:51:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127275; 29 Sep 99 22:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20122 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:22:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA18262 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:14:32 +0100 Received: from (bh10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.76.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WKUT-0006N0-00; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:13:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 15:12:47 +0100 (BST) From: "T.C.Ellison" Subject: Re: OP 2.54 Artworks applet version?? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105581@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >The Artworks applet supplied with 2.54 proclaims itself to be version > >1.02. The version I had prior to this release is 1.03. Got your version > >numbering out of sequence David, or something else? > > No, the one with 2.54 says it is 1.03, that is wrong, it should be > 1.04 I just forgot to bump the version number. > > > > David Pilling > David Mine quite definately says version 1.02 after installing OPv 2.54 Even in the !OvnPro that is archived it says version 1.02 regards Tom Ellison > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- tom.sandal@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 01:29:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105818 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 01:28:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938644725:20:12769:22; Wed, 29 Sep 99 22:38:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102193; 29 Sep 99 22:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20130 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:22:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20118 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:22:52 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WS73-000M8p-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:22:13 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 22:39:32 GMT Message-Id: <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedded frames (Was: Page renumbering - a problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Mine quite definately says version 1.02 after installing OPv 2.54 > Even in the !OvnPro that is archived it says version 1.02 This is what it says inside the Info file that you attached; majorversion:1 minorversion:3 Which is 1.03, now as it happens (uncanny) that file is 102 bytes long. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 01:29:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105819 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 01:29:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938645906:20:28801:35; Wed, 29 Sep 99 22:58:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028784; 29 Sep 99 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20199 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20194 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:30:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WSE5-0000fe-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:29:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 99 23:22:31 GMT Message-Id: <105811@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How about using the sprite called tick Well... do we really want to go over to using resolution dependent bit maps when there are these nice outline fonts. Using a sprite is not always an easy change to make. On RISC OS 4, there is also a tick sprite with the name of the Euro character. Better yet there's a wimp symbol font. Having said all that my inclination is to put a tick sprite in the OPro Sprites file (so it will also work on old machines where we can expect Euro'ised fonts to appear in due course). I'm not all that amused by this, although its is fair that the tick was not a standard character and a lot of fonts don't have it. I thought we were going to have a vote before the Euro was compulsorily introduced ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 01:30:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105824 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 01:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938647535:10:23606:21; Wed, 29 Sep 99 23:25:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109600; 29 Sep 99 23:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA20363 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:57:10 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA20358 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:57:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 29207 invoked from network); 29 Sep 1999 22:56:28 -0000 Received: from user1194.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.194) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Sep 1999 22:56:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 23:41:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Embedded frames (Was: Page renumbering - a problem) Message-ID: <49495bdb82rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > > Mine quite definately says version 1.02 after installing OPv 2.54 > > Even in the !OvnPro that is archived it says version 1.02 > This is what it says inside the Info file that you attached; > majorversion:1 > minorversion:3 > Which is 1.03, now as it happens (uncanny) that file is 102 bytes long. Are we talking about !OArtworks? If so, my old version is 1.03 (as above) and has Image dated 04 Mar 1998. The new version is also 1.03 and has Image dated 19 Sep 1999. Presumably you forgot to update the !Info file which should have minorversion:04 Is it safe to update it by hand to 1.04 and the next version will be 1.05? Cheers, Ray D > David Pilling -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 13:53:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105836 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 13:53:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938657655:20:12917:33; Thu, 30 Sep 99 02:14:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124037; 30 Sep 99 2:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20989 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:56:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20984 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 02:56:29 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WVRk-000B9S-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 01:55:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 99 01:51:51 GMT Message-Id: <105829@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedded frames (Was: Page renumbering - a problem) X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >Are we talking about !OArtworks? Yes. >Is it safe to update it by hand to 1.04 and the next version will be 1.05? Yes, lets do that. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 13:53:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105838 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 13:53:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938667223:20:13177:20; Thu, 30 Sep 99 04:53:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013138; 30 Sep 99 4:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21286 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:33:34 +0100 Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21280 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:33:30 +0100 Received: from gol.com (tc-1-2-011.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.11]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 16932406D for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:32:44 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:32:20 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Making Cloze Texts with OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm sure someone can tell me how to: make cloze texts where every nth (typically every 7th) word is automagically deleted and replaced by a 10 character-long underscore (__________) in OvPr (v2.52). It would make my life easier, if not those of my students! TIA Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 13:53:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105841 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 13:53:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938676284:20:15197:25; Thu, 30 Sep 99 07:24:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015163; 30 Sep 99 7:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA21702 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:54:34 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21697 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:54:32 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.100]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA15569 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:39:44 +0100 Message-ID: <37F3792C.1EDE@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 07:52:28 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Q: Set Artworks quality References: <105720@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >Not so permanent, by the sound of it ;-) Is the default not set by the > >OArtWrks applet - line: > > awsetwysiwyg(110); > >in !OvnPro.Applets.!OArtWrks.AutoRun.Setting. 110 sets it to 11 > > Thats a good idea, but its not standard. Which is why the new AW applet > will have clobbered it. > > David Pilling > I don't know why I should be different (no deep psychological replies please), but this line is in the !Quality applet's Autorun.!Default - maybe an earlier suggestion on the mailing list??? -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 13:54:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105846 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 13:54:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938695046:20:17543:38; Thu, 30 Sep 99 12:37:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119969; 30 Sep 99 12:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA22398 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:57:33 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22393 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:57:32 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA23568 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:56:42 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:54:09 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Image Extend 0.78 or newer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <494923bd38C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Sep, Chris Johnson wrote: > In article , > Alf Chamings wrote: > > On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >When I load OvationPro (2.46), an error box from !OArtWrks > > > >informs me I need ImageExtend 0.78 or newer. > > > >Where can I obtain ImageExtend ? > > > > > > Same place you're going to get all the modules needed for > > > viewing Artworks files. > > > > > I get this problem too. I certainly have ImageExtend but I am not > > sure where it should go (have tried in !OPro.modules and in with > > the applet) and I don't know how to tell which version I have. > > > Any clues much appreciated > > Mine is in Boot:Resources.!CCShared.RMStore > Thanks, all's well now. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 18:36:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105854 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 18:36:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938702073:20:00153:23; Thu, 30 Sep 99 14:34:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000122; 30 Sep 99 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA22913 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:15:10 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22908 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:15:08 +0100 Received: from modem-45.tungsten.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.36.173] helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11WgyR-0002Sd-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:14:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 15:12:34 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Sep, Barry Allen wrote: > > In on Mon 27 Sep, Lionel Smith wrote: > > > > Would it be possible to have a wildcard for white space available for search > > and replace - the designation could be \w? I think it was available in > > Pagemaker5 on PC (and presumably Mac). > > > > It would be useful when a typist has used a wordprocessor to enter text but > > used lots (varying from line to line) of spaces instead of tabs to enable a > > single search and replace to put them all to tabs. It is also useful for scanned text which has been OCRed. > You could transfer your text to StrongEd and do this. > Search for :- {" "}+ > Replace with:- "\t" > > Then transfer it back to Ovation. You can even use the Global clipboard. > Forgot to mention that you should have 'Advanced Search' turned on in StrongEd. If you want to leave single spaces 'as is' then use the search string as:- {" "}2:20 which searches for spaces of length between 2 and 20 obviously increase the 20 if you have spaces of more than 20. -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk E-mail b a r r y @ e v a n a l l e n . f r e e s e r v e . c o . u k -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 18:37:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105861 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 18:37:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938667718:10:22999:19; Thu, 30 Sep 99 05:01:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022929; 30 Sep 99 5:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA21291 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:33:36 +0100 Received: from smtp03.mail.gol.com (smtp03.mail.gol.com [203.216.5.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA21285 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 05:33:33 +0100 Received: from gol.com (tc-1-2-011.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.11]) by smtp03.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D242D407C for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:32:45 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:49:01 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Making cloze texts wit OvPro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm sure someone knows how to: Use OPro, (v2.52) to automagically delete every nth word (usually every 7th) in a text and substitute it for a 10-character-long underscore (__________). It would make my life more worthwhile, if not my students. :-) TIA IP -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 18:37:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105863 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 18:37:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938676869:10:27274:37; Thu, 30 Sep 99 07:34:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026846; 30 Sep 99 7:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA21782 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:19:13 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA21777 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 08:19:08 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-44.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.110]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA00457 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:16:21 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:13:19 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: re: 2 Opros - no To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Sep, Martin Devon wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep, Toby Bryans wrote: > > On Wed, 29 Sep, Martin Devon wrote: > > > It should read IFS$A$... not IFS$A$ Spot the difference > > > > *AHEM* That is navaho. It is fixed in the version that we are > > currently testing for release. > > Right, for the sake of correctness, let me express it thus: > an equals sign has been omitted. > > It should read IFS$(equals sign)A$... Whatever. Don't worry because the original came through *with* the = and works just fine. Only had to untangle the formatting ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 18:37:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105872 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 18:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938696037:10:10486:24; Thu, 30 Sep 99 12:53:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116409; 30 Sep 99 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA22480 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:19:22 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22475 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:19:20 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d5-s56-88-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.88]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/8. Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:05:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 - Bad page Number To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <105722@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > Hey read the documentation... Go to program choices, picture choices. > There's a set of icons which let you configure auto proxy over a certain > file size, to the far right there is a 'gright' pop up icon. Click > on that and you can change the default proxy setting. > I did read te documentation, honest :-) But I missed this point. Thanks. > >and proxy, but keeping the existing proxy, position and picture settings? > > Err if you're saying that you lost your referenced files...? then all you do > is open the reference window and enter the new path, click on OK. > As a short cut you can drop a file into the path writeable to get the path > set up. I'm not sure I understood this point. That is what I tried to do, but the reference window refused to accept the path name, for some reason. I had to delete the image and start again. Perhaps something was corrupted by the crash. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 18:37:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105875 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 18:37:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938701287:10:22099:24; Thu, 30 Sep 99 14:21:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021823; 30 Sep 99 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22764 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:48:48 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22759 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:48:46 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-3-223.easynet.co.uk [195.40.202.223]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BCE94DAFE1 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 14:47:58 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 00:02:32 +0100 Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... Message-ID: <49495dc764rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105811@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105811@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <105811@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > Having said all that my inclination is to put a tick sprite in the OPro > Sprites file (so it will also work on old machines where we can expect > Euro'ised fonts to appear in due course). But you won't call it tick will you ... otherwise it will overwrite the tick in the wimp sprites. Or not appear at all if the ROM sprites are protected. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 19:27:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105905 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 19:27:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938715039:10:25009:18; Thu, 30 Sep 99 18:10:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024990; 30 Sep 99 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA23433 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:54:14 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23428 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:54:12 +0100 Received: from ypical.demon.co.uk ([158.152.78.65]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WkOQ-000N89-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:53:22 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 18:32:12 +0100 From: Fred Bambrough To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Embedded frames (Was: Page renumbering - a problem) Message-ID: <355fc34949.fred@ypical.demon.co.uk> References: <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: @ypical User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.04 (MsgServe/1.04a) (RISC-OS/4.02) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <105808@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > Mine quite definately says version 1.02 after installing OPv 2.54 > > Even in the !OvnPro that is archived it says version 1.02 > > This is what it says inside the Info file that you attached; > > majorversion:1 > minorversion:3 > > Which is 1.03, now as it happens (uncanny) that file is 102 bytes long. Ok. Now I know what's happened. The Info file, as you say, says 1.03. However, the Help file says 1.02. Sorted. -- Fred PGP key available -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 22:14:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105921 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 22:14:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938720706:20:13667:24; Thu, 30 Sep 99 19:45:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109827; 30 Sep 99 19:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23650 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:13:16 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23645 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:13:14 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.200]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA16504 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:58:18 +0100 Message-ID: <37F42665.78FD@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:11:33 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OvPro 2.54/!!!!!!!bm probs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a thirteen page document with the cover page as chapter 1, the body of the doc as pages 2-12 chapter 2, and a blank chapter 3, page 13, the last of which I want to remove, with the following problems: 1. If I backspace with the caret on this last blank page/chapter, OvPro seems to hang and I need to Ctrl-ESc to abort what seems toi be an offending script/applet. Suppressing !!!!!!!bm removes this problem. 2. If I try to use delete chapter to remove this page, OvPro always offers me chapter 2 (which it will delete, removing the body of the doc), not 3. I've tried putting some text in the page, saving and reloading DDL etc to no avail. Answers on a postcard... -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 22:14:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105924 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 22:14:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938721324:20:22819:28; Thu, 30 Sep 99 19:55:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022632; 30 Sep 99 19:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23731 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:34:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA23726 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:34:25 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.218) [194.69.104.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WlxM-0006HS-00; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:33:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:09:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <4949cc4515steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105599@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105599@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105599@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > You could set up the 'fluff' applet to do this for you. "Fluff" applet? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Sep 30 22:14:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105926 for opro ; Thu, 30 Sep 99 22:14:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938721733:20:29012:17; Thu, 30 Sep 99 20:02:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107535; 30 Sep 99 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA23790 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:43:29 +0100 Received: from m1.infopact.nl (root@m1.infopact.nl [194.151.214.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA23784 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:43:27 +0100 Received: from rgl.nl (r229.infopact.nl [194.151.12.229]) by m1.infopact.nl (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id VAA11096 for Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:59:58 +0200 From: Simon Voortman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Messages file References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dr Charles Ebrill wrote: > > I am probably being stupid (as usual), but have recently reloaded Ovpro to have > a copy to upgrade. I get a message that the "messages file not found, find a > disc with program resources on it and try again" I got the same errorbox while testing if my copy of OP could be moved to another directory and still be used. Ofcourse the message file was where it should be, so getting the error seems to be a no-go. After moving the app. back the message didn't throw up. This looked like some part of the app. was looking for it's files via a wrong path. After examination of the !Boot and !Run files of !OvnPro.!OvnResDir it was obvious that OvationPro$ResourceDir had the wrong path, namely the path before the move, and, being a move operation, the file wasn't there anymore. You should try to doubleclick both !OvnResDir and !Words (inside the !OvnPro you want to use). This worked for me. Rebooting your computer should do the trick too. Simon Voortman. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 01:15:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105952 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 01:15:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938730821:10:20972:19; Thu, 30 Sep 99 22:33:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113267; 30 Sep 99 22:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA24271 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:05:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA24266 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:05:18 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.47) [193.149.85.47] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WoJN-0002Xv-00; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:04:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 19:27:00 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <4949C86383%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.04 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > however, it seems to ignore the "shift-enter rule" that you mentioned above > and sort of do them at will. Have you checked your keyboard? This sounds like a sticky 'shift' key to me. -- OK, so what's the speed of dark? __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 23:04:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11WoID-0006Fk-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:03:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 99 22:46:39 GMT Message-Id: <105942@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >"Fluff" applet? See the web sites below. Its a play on the old UNIX 'lint' tool which debobbleises C code. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 13:49:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105966 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 13:49:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938745692:20:10938:18; Fri, 01 Oct 99 02:41:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124026; 1 Oct 99 2:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA24796 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:33:59 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24791 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:33:58 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA29742 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 02:18:11 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05589; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 21:45:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 12:36:10 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Superscript dates Message-ID: <4949A2C6A0%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Mark wrote: > Sorry if I'm missing something really obvious but is it possible to have > the th/rd/st in an active date in superscript? All things are possible. Oh, you want to know *how* to do it? Sorry, no idea. ;-( However, your posting has drawn to my attention an infelicity in !FancyDte. That inserts a date with superscript characters when I type ^D, but if I click on Misc -> Insert -> Date ^D I get a date without the superscript. Clearly the '^D' in that menu is misleading. I don't know how to fix that either. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 18:12:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105989 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 18:12:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938761737:10:28320:20; Fri, 01 Oct 99 07:08:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028278; 1 Oct 99 7:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA25295 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:50:07 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA25290 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:50:06 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.89) [62.188.130.89] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11WwVA-0007Qz-00; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:49:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 07:46:59 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23RM for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro problem solved after help from David. It was the !list applet which was forcing "return" to enter alternate newline and paragraph breaks, thus completely messing up formatting possibilities. -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 18:12:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105991 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 18:12:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938768454:10:05380:26; Fri, 01 Oct 99 09:00:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005392; 1 Oct 99 9:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25510 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:23:26 +0100 Received: from 195.8.74.207 (baglanit.claranet.co.uk [195.8.74.207]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA25505 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:23:24 +0100 Received: from jmills (97.105.12.13) by baglan_in.baglanit.org.uk (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id ; Fri, 01 Oct 1999 09:28:34 +0100 Message-ID: <004b01bf0be5$ef14d740$0d0c6961@jmills> From: "John Mills" To: References: <4949C86383%mik@xemik.com> Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 09:21:17 +0100 Organization: Baglan IT Centre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ----- Original Message ----- From: Mik Towse To: Sent: 30 September 1999 19:27 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. > OK, so what's the speed of dark? It's just a bit faster than the speed of light so that it can get out of the way! John -- John Mills Teacher Adviser for ICT Baglan IT Centre http://www.baglanit.org.uk jmills@baglanit.org.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 18:12:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105998 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 18:12:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938788990:10:26482:60; Fri, 01 Oct 99 14:43:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109131; 1 Oct 99 14:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA26255 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:56:40 +0100 Received: from m1.infopact.nl (m1.infopact.nl [194.151.214.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26248 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 14:51:33 +0100 Received: from rgl.nl (r170.infopact.nl [194.151.12.170]) by m1.infopact.nl (8.8.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id PAA08124 for Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 13:59:58 +0200 From: Simon Voortman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Messages file References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dr Charles Ebrill wrote: > > I am probably being stupid (as usual), but have recently reloaded Ovpro to have > a copy to upgrade. I get a message that the "messages file not found, find a > disc with program resources on it and try again" I got the same errorbox while testing if my copy of OP could be moved to another directory and still be used. Ofcourse the message file was where it should be, so getting the error seems to be a no-go. After moving the app. back the message didn't throw up. This looked like some part of the app. was looking for it's files via a wrong path. After examination of the !Boot and !Run files of !OvnPro.!OvnResDir it was obvious that OvationPro$ResourceDir had the wrong path, namely the path before the move, and, being a move operation, the file wasn't there anymore. You should try to doubleclick both !OvnResDir and !Words (inside the !OvnPro you want to use). This worked for me. Rebooting your computer should do the trick too. Simon Voortman. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 18:12:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA105999 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 18:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938793958:10:21754:18; Fri, 01 Oct 99 16:05:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100909; 1 Oct 99 16:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA26435 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:16:33 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA26430 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:16:32 +0100 Received: from rayd (tnt-8-184.easynet.co.uk [195.40.204.184]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 63E7DDB104 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:15:30 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 15:35:52 +0100 Subject: New printer choices Message-ID: <494a371062rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, could you give a quick run down on the new Print choices box. I looked in the NewFuncs document, but it's not very clear how it relates to the choices in the window. Particularly, what does the Print memory control - it was set quite low at 195k so I've set it to 1MB. Is it the memory that OP uses as a background printer buffer? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 21:30:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106019 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 21:30:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938803333:20:06326:17; Fri, 01 Oct 99 18:42:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106236; 1 Oct 99 18:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA27020 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:22:17 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27015 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 19:22:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11X7Iu-0009mq-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 18:21:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 99 19:00:51 GMT Message-Id: <106014@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New printer choices X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >David, could you give a quick run down on the new Print choices box. I >looked in the NewFuncs document, but it's not very clear how it relates >to the choices in the window. Well everything in that window is a parameter to a printchoices () function. And they are documented, printchoices() is in the printed manual. >Particularly, what does the Print memory control - it was set quite low >at 195k so I've set it to 1MB. Is it the memory that OP uses as a >background printer buffer? Nope. Before it starts printing, OPro claims this amount of memory. For example if you have a picture in an irregular frame it can only be rendered by rendering to a masked sprite and then rendering that sprite. There has to be memory to create that sprite in. If as would be all too likely on old machines with limited memory the printer drivers have claimed the lot, you'd be stuck. On new machines with loads of memory the setting probably has no effect at all. On a 4Mb machine the setting would be quite critical - too big and you would not be able to print at all, too small and printing would be horribly slow. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 23:22:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106026 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 23:22:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938807393:10:08717:18; Fri, 01 Oct 99 19:49:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008695; 1 Oct 99 19:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA27238 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:33:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27233 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:33:54 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.39) [193.149.85.39] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11X8QD-0006P2-00; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 20:32:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 20:30:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. Message-ID: <494a5210eesteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <105942@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <105942@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12t (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <105942@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >"Fluff" applet? > See the web sites below. Well I'll have another shuftie, but applets mentioned in your posting about 2.54 didn't seem to be in evidence... > Its a play on the old UNIX 'lint' tool which debobbleises C code. Guessed that, it was more the specific location that was challenging the brain cells. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Oct 1 23:22:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106028 for opro ; Fri, 01 Oct 99 23:22:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938814071:10:12976:20; Fri, 01 Oct 99 21:41:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012872; 1 Oct 99 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA27503 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:20:43 +0100 Received: from hera.cuci.nl (hera.cuci.nl [212.125.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA27498 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 22:20:40 +0100 Received: from dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (dionysus.fw.cuci.nl [10.0.0.4]) by hera.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.10) with ESMTP id XAA05043 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:19:34 +0200 Received: from woltersd.cm.cuci.nl (woltersd.cm.cuci.nl [10.1.9.149]) by dionysus.fw.cuci.nl (8.9.3/BuGless_2.02) with SMTP id XAA12571 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:19:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 23:17:39 +0100 (BST) From: Dick Wolters Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4948ca9593mike@island-phase.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Tue 28 Sep, Mike Norris wrote: > On 28 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > >However I've just tried to upgrade to v2.54 The upgrade process seems to work > > >O.K. but when I try to load OvnPro v2.54 to the icon bar it bombs with an > > >abort on data transfer error &0000807C. > > > Very interesting. I've got one other report of that here. I've not > > a clue what the trouble is though. Someone once said about the > > older upgrades that they could not get them to work on SCSI discs > > e.g. problems doing block loads on some SCSI systems. > > I've just got an ordinary IDE drive! > > I remain ... Puzzled! > > -- > .. Just a Physicist playing with the Universe .. > Mike Norris resides in the English Lake District > ... Acorn StrongArm 233MHz RiscPC ... > I also upgraded my older 2.52 version to 2.54 and got the message "Internal error: abort on data transfer". Installing version new from version 2.46 tot 2.51/2.52 workt correct. So I looked where the fault could be. I changed the folowing line in the !Run file: | WimpSlot -min 1152K -max 1152K | ^^^^^ ^^^^^ Run ".!RunImage" %*0 to | WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K | ^^^^^ ^^^^^ Run ".!RunImage" %*0 Changing the WimpSlot did the trick, and the programm workt correct. Dick -- D.Wolters, Maastricht e-mail: woltersd@cuci.nl -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 03:25:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106045 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 03:24:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938825930:10:23155:20; Sat, 02 Oct 99 00:58:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109521; 2 Oct 99 0:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27923 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:43:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27913 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:43:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XDG5-000EfG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:42:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 99 23:38:40 GMT Message-Id: <106035@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Formatting Text problems. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well I'll have another shuftie, but applets mentioned in your posting about >2.54 didn't seem to be in evidence... Just the plain old ordinary applets page, its been there for nearly a couple of years. Nothing to do with 2.54. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Oct 2 03:25:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA106046 for opro ; Sat, 02 Oct 99 03:24:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 938826691:20:27025:23; Sat, 02 Oct 99 01:11:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101119; 2 Oct 99 1:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA27921 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:43:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA27912 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 01:43:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11XDG3-000EfG-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 00:42:39 +0000 Date: Fri, 01 Oct 99 23:25:52 GMT Message-Id: <106033@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro 2.54 available now... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I also upgraded my older 2.52 version to 2.54 and got the message "Internal >error: abort on data transfer". >I changed the folowing line in the !Run file: > WimpSlot -min 1152K -max 1152K >to > WimpSlot -min 1388K -max 1388K I think this is a very good point. In my efforts to not clobber things in old versions that users might have set up, I didn't put in a new !Run file. I wish I had... As far as I can tell if you go the 2.46->2.51->2.52->2.54 route and correctly apply the patches there will be no problem. If you do new 2.52->2.54 you may have too small a wimp slot, I say 'may' because Beebug shipped 2.52 with a slot of 1184K not 1152K as above... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message