From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 2 22:49:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100992 for opro ; Mon, 02 Aug 99 22:49:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933431697:10:29263:16; Sat, 31 Jul 99 14:34:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124201; 31 Jul 99 14:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA32616 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:28:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32611 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 15:28:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Aa8N-0008gZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:29:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 31 Jul 99 13:06:58 GMT Message-Id: <100980@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mailmerge X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it possible to put a tab character in the string? Obviously the tab >needs to be expanded. >e.g. macv="1{Tab}2" Yes, it can be either C style "\t" or (I think), a default predefined macro "{tab}" David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 13:43:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101201 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:43:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933924895:10:29517:18; Fri, 06 Aug 99 07:34:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029419; 6 Aug 99 7:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA04514 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:31:11 +0100 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA04509 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:30:58 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy [137.205.192.19]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA01397 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:31:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from bashley (bashley [137.205.186.91]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA29695 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:31:47 +0100 (BST) From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: RE: Three questions Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:28:35 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bedfdd$4b59b7d0$5bbacd89@wbs.warwick.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages > side-by-side in landscape format "Galley" printing instead of pamphlet. It's in the manual... Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Pinxit Design - Information Design for Internet and print http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 13:43:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101203 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:43:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933931149:10:07539:20; Fri, 06 Aug 99 09:19:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007502; 6 Aug 99 9:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04682 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:04:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04677 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:04:23 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.85) [62.188.133.85] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11CfwE-0006Uq-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:05:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Randall) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Aug 99 09:40:02 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: RE: Three questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 6 Aug 99 (08:28:35 +0100), nick.kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk wrote: >> 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages >> side-by-side in landscape format > >"Galley" printing instead of pamphlet. It's in the manual... > I've tried that but all I get is one page of A5 on each A4 sheet in landscape even with 'Fit' and 'Sideways' ticked. Colin -- Benefice of Hanborough and Freeland http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/carandall The Christian Acorn User Group http://www.acorn.co.uk/developers/explan/ _____________________ carandall@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 13:43:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101205 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:43:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933933659:10:06443:18; Fri, 06 Aug 99 10:00:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129882; 6 Aug 99 10:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA04798 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:52:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04793 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:52:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.60) [193.149.73.60] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Cggh-0007JC-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:53:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:12:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Justify & Greyscales Message-ID: <492d3d1d87colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi ! Two litlle things that have just cropped up again; 1. Greyscales, why do they have full colour content ? I scanned some pencil sketches as greyscales in David Pilling's scanning software and when they were printed in a two colour brochure, they came out with colour on them as well. 2. I have recently printed a brochure with justified text, this has not been printed correctly as the justification has been lost when it was set to film from my OvnPro document. I am sure I have heard something about greyscales but can find nothing stored on my archives. Please forgive me if these have been discussed before. Thanks -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 13:43:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101208 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:43:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933922358:20:11440:86; Fri, 06 Aug 99 06:52:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011286; 6 Aug 99 6:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA04390 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:44:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA04385 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:44:17 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.210) [62.188.133.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11CdkW-0004kq-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:45:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Colin Randall) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Aug 99 07:43:26 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Three questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Forgive me if any of this has been covered elsewhere but I have three niggling problems that I wonder if someone can help me with. 1) When loading OvationPro I get a message '...Applets!Ovation1.Specific not found'. The only Applets I have loaded are Bullet List, Calculator and Smart Quotes. What is causing this error message and where can I find 'Specific'! 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages side-by-side in landscape format, I can work the pamphlet option okay but do not always want the pages as in this layout. What I want is to have pages 1 and 2 on a sheet, 3 and 4 on the next sheet and so on. I have tried various settings but without success. 3) Is there any way (or any applet) that will do automatic numbering, so that if a number is inserted all following numbers automatically change. Imp Publisher had this as one of its' 'Insert' menu options. Can it be done with Ovation Pro? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with one or all of these. Colin -- Benefice of Hanborough and Freeland http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/carandall The Christian Acorn User Group http://www.acorn.co.uk/developers/explan/ _____________________ carandall@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 13:44:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101216 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:44:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933936337:20:00033:53; Fri, 06 Aug 99 10:45:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111716; 6 Aug 99 10:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA04929 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:37:34 +0100 Received: from judy.ic.ac.uk (judy.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04924 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:37:21 +0100 Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.4]) by judy.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ChO8-0005nB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:38:12 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ChNx-0001El-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:38:01 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:37:54 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B260145F69C@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Reeves-Hall, Peter C." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Process of JPEG's Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:37:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Hi all, > Just a quikie! Changing the RGB curve of sprites seems to work with the picture->process controll, but jpeg's don't seem to alter (on screen anyway - I haven't tried a print out yet). Is this normal... To I have to convert my JPEG's to bloat sizes? Thanks, Peter -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 15:25:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101234 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 15:25:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933946703:20:25665:107; Fri, 06 Aug 99 13:38:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129890; 6 Aug 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA05122 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:33:17 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05117 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:32:59 +0100 Received: from p27.nas3.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.27] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11Cl22-0004kf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:31:38 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:11:09 +0100 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:12:36 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Three questions Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro carandall@argonet.co.uk (Colin Randall) wrote: > On Fri 6 Aug 99 (08:28:35 +0100), nick.kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk wrote: > >> 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages > >> side-by-side in landscape format > > > >"Galley" printing instead of pamphlet. It's in the manual... > > > I've tried that but all I get is one page of A5 on each A4 sheet in landscape > even with 'Fit' and 'Sideways' ticked. > > Colin When printing galleys page 1 will normally come out on its own unless you remember to set your chapter to 'start on left'. If each of your pages is in a separate chapter you would get the effect you describe. It might be worth checking. Also, try print -> setup -> print sheet. It shows exactly which pages will come out on which side of your sheet. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 15:26:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101235 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 15:25:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933948388:20:21420:85; Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:06:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021922; 6 Aug 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05220 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05215 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:41 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.162) [193.149.78.162] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11CkYz-0003mS-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:01:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:00:19 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Three questions Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 6 Aug 1999 (07:43:26), carandall@argonet.co.uk wrote: >2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages >side-by-side in landscape format, I can work the pamphlet option okay >but do not always want the pages as in this layout. What I want is to >have pages 1 and 2 on a sheet, 3 and 4 on the next sheet and so on. I >have tried various settings but without >success. Has the original got to be an A4 format? I regularly produce documents in the format you describe by using a style sheet set up as a landscape format with two A5 width columns (roughly, the margins and centre gutter obviously cut this down). This just prints straight out with no fiddling required. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 16:03:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101237 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 16:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933950013:10:08397:61; Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:33:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008458; 6 Aug 99 14:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05281 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:18:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05266 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:18:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ckq0-00026r-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:19:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:57:29 GMT Message-Id: <101228@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Process of JPEG's X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Just a quikie! Changing the RGB curve of sprites seems to work with the >picture->process controll, but jpeg's don't seem to alter (on screen anyway >- I haven't tried a print out yet). Is this normal... To I have to convert >my JPEG's to bloat sizes? Yes, you can't image process JPEG's. Just like you can't rotate them, and for the same reasons. And also separations won't work for them. Actually it is tempting to do something about this... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 17:48:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101239 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 17:48:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933950862:20:27752:91; Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:47:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125325; 6 Aug 99 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05378 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:32:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05369 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:32:28 +0100 Received: from microlas.demon.co.uk ([158.152.237.88] helo=mld_server) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Cl3l-0004Ir-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:33:25 +0000 Received: from 97.4.0.33 by mld_server ([97.4.0.87] running VPOP3) with SMTP for ; Fri, 6 Aug 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Webmaster To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:31:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Justify & Greyscales Message-ID: <492d5fd165webmaster@mld.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <492d3d1d87colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> References: <492d3d1d87colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain X-Server: VPOP3 V1.3.2 - Registered to: Micro Laser Designs Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <492d3d1d87colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk>, colinwoolf wrote: > Hi ! > Two litlle things that have just cropped up again; > 1. Greyscales, why do they have full colour content ? I scanned > some pencil sketches as greyscales in David Pilling's scanning software and when they > were printed in a two colour brochure, they came out with colour on > them as well. When you created the PostScript files the 'Colour Correction' was probably turned on - unfortunately this will have caused the greyscale to have been separated across the process colour separations, so if you used a process colour for your spot colour then you may get this problem (which can also happen with Artworks / draw files and can cause blacks/greys to be made from the process colours). You must use a spot colour and switch off colour correction or set the greyscale duotone to black. It can cause problems if you need colour correction for a full colour sprite and have say an Artworks file with black & colour in it - you need colour correction on and off!! > 2. I have recently printed a brochure with justified text, this > has not been printed correctly as the justification has been lost > when it was set to film from my OvnPro document. We've had this too....... Cheers Andrew -- _______________________________________________________ Micro Laser Designs http://www.mld.co.uk 105 Midford Road andy@mld.co.uk Combe Down Tel: 01225 833266 Bath BA2 5RX Fax: 01225 832200 _______________________________________________________ Home of the MLD Print+Publish Mail list for Acorn users who use their machines for printing and publishing! To subscribe send a message to ListServer@mld.co.uk with 'subscribe print+publish' as the subject. _______________________________________________________ LITHO PRINTING * IMAGESETTING * SCANNING * FINISHING FULL COLOUR, SPOT COLOUR & MONO DIGITAL PRINTING -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 17:48:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101240 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 17:48:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933950909:20:28648:27; Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:48:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028699; 6 Aug 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05285 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:18:52 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05275 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:18:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ckq3-00026r-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:19:16 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:57:51 GMT Message-Id: <101232@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Justify & Greyscales X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. Greyscales, why do they have full colour content ? I scanned >some pencil sketches as greyscales in David Pilling's scanning software and when they >were printed in a two colour brochure, they came out with colour on >them as well. Depends what you mean. If you're printing separations then you can opt to generate the colours via curves. A lot of those sets of curves will map black to some CMY ink. But its your choice. >2. I have recently printed a brochure with justified text, this >has not been printed correctly as the justification has been lost >when it was set to film from my OvnPro document. There's a whole set of gotchas for justified printing depending on the printer driver, and the combination of justification and other effects like tracking, or letter spacing. I wonder if they're codified on the alt Opro web site FAQ. Certainly if you look you'll find it all in the archives. On the whole though it'd be a lot better if this info was much easier to come by, and if it was concluded what could be done about it or not. As in, I'm sure I reported some printer driver bugs to Acorn, and still nothing has been done about them... ;-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 17:48:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101242 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 17:48:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933952052:20:14476:36; Fri, 06 Aug 99 15:07:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014656; 6 Aug 99 15:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05283 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:18:48 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05270 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:18:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ckq1-00026r-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:19:13 +0000 Date: Fri, 06 Aug 99 14:57:40 GMT Message-Id: <101230@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Three questions X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >1) When loading OvationPro I get a message '...Applets!Ovation1.Specific not >found'. The only Applets I have loaded are Bullet List, Calculator and Smart >Quotes. What is causing this error message and where can I find 'Specific'! This has come up before. If you look in your Applets directory, you will find the Ovation1 applet which is used to load old Ovation documents. You can find the mail list discussion in the 98/07 and 99/01 archives. It is not very illuminating though. Something you've done to OvationPro has left it trying to load the above file. It will be something to do with the applets directory. In the previous comment the suggestion that it is an applet installation program that leaves things in this state. Probably trashing the contents of the applets directory and starting over would be a crude but effective fix. >2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages side-by-side in >landscape format, I can work the pamphlet option okay but do not always want >the pages as in this layout. What I want is to have pages 1 and 2 on a sheet, 3 >and 4 on the next sheet and so on. I have tried various settings but without >success. Galley, like the man said. It may produce some blank spots to get odd number pages on the right. >3) Is there any way (or any applet) that will do automatic numbering, so that >if a number is inserted all following numbers automatically change. Imp >Publisher had this as one of its' 'Insert' menu options. Can it be done with >Ovation Pro? This is a weak area, for now ther perfect solution does not exist. There are some neat applets like the one on the levens site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 6 21:16:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101247 for opro ; Fri, 06 Aug 99 21:16:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933966334:10:02318:20; Fri, 06 Aug 99 19:05:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002042; 6 Aug 99 19:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA05848 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:53:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05843 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:53:29 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Cp8P-0009gR-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:54:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:54:47 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Three questions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 06 Aug, Colin Randall wrote: > Forgive me if any of this has been covered elsewhere but I have three niggling > problems that I wonder if someone can help me with. > > > 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages side-by-side in > landscape format, I can work the pamphlet option okay but do not always want > the pages as in this layout. What I want is to have pages 1 and 2 on a sheet, 3 > and 4 on the next sheet and so on. I have tried various settings but without > success. > > Colin > -- Use thumbnails John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 7 13:45:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101266 for opro ; Sat, 07 Aug 99 13:45:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 933992070:10:02028:19; Sat, 07 Aug 99 02:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116997; 7 Aug 99 2:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA06283 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:03:24 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA06278 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:03:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CvqI-000F1h-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:04:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 99 02:28:56 GMT Message-Id: <101257@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RISC OS 4 Transloader fix X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The story so far... The !Server file in the OvationPro supplied TransLoaders won't work on RISC OS 4. It was written by Rob Clark, and I've been unable to find him... So I've had to rewrite this bit of code. The new version is available from; http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/filelib/index.html Because its new, it probably has lots of new bugs and problems in it, which are going to have to be sorted out. Anyway if anyone is feeling brave, this is your chance to take part in testing it. The idea would be to replace the !Server in all your transloaders with this new one. Probably keeping a copy of the old !Server so that you can revert. You don't need to have RISC OS 4 to test this, because the one bug which makes the old code go wrong should not be present. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 7 16:45:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101278 for opro ; Sat, 07 Aug 99 16:45:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934040316:20:00943:36; Sat, 07 Aug 99 15:38:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114275; 7 Aug 99 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA06704 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:27:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA06699 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:27:31 +0100 Received: from beebware.demon.co.uk ([194.222.132.205] helo=beebwarebeebware.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11D8Ok-000HVL-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:28:41 +0000 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:08:47 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: Three Questions To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199908060647.HAA04402@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 06 Aug, Colin Randall typed: > 1) When loading OvationPro I get a message '...Applets!Ovation1.Specific > not found'. The only Applets I have loaded are Bullet List, Calculator > and Smart Quotes. What is causing this error message and where can I > find 'Specific'! Have you opened !OvnPro.Applets to see exactly which Applets are installed? Saying that, I've got 40 Applets in my Applet directory but non of them contain the file 'Specific', so I'm actually at a loss here. > 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages > side-by-side in landscape format, I can work the pamphlet option okay > but do not always want the pages as in this layout. What I want is to > have pages 1 and 2 on a sheet, 3 and 4 on the next sheet and so on. I > have tried various settings but without success. Before 'discovering' the pamphlet option (guess who didn't RTFM), I tried setting 'Sideways','Scale 45%' - with my master pages A4 (OvPro will do the scaling automatically). > 3) Is there any way (or any applet) that will do automatic numbering, so > that if a number is inserted all following numbers automatically change. > Imp Publisher had this as one of its' 'Insert' menu options. Can it be > done with Ovation Pro? While I haven't tried it, !BulletFix or !EndNotes /may/ work, try similar applets (numbering lists) that may help. Richy C. -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 9 22:18:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101292 for opro ; Mon, 09 Aug 99 22:18:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934146248:10:02893:17; Sun, 08 Aug 99 21:04:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107384; 8 Aug 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07549 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:42:44 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07544 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:42:29 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s18-178-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.178]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:35:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: 2-52 Upgrade CRC To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <101257@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello folks I have upgraded from 2-51 to 2-52 using the patch on the web site. It seems to be OK, but I get a worrying message from !Upgrade about mismatched CRC on both the input and output versions of !Runimage. Is this anything I actually should worry about? (BTW, to save people replying just to tell me, I do know that CRC stands for cyclic redundancy check!) Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 9 22:18:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101295 for opro ; Mon, 09 Aug 99 22:18:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934150810:10:21703:19; Sun, 08 Aug 99 22:20:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021417; 8 Aug 99 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07709 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:02:48 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07704 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:02:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:57:22 +0200 Subject: Re: 2-52 Upgrade CRC Message-ID: <492e90580fbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: References: <101257@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steve Ellacott wrote: > I have upgraded from 2-51 to 2-52 using the patch on the web site. It > seems to be OK, but I get a worrying message from !Upgrade about > mismatched CRC on both the input and output versions of !Runimage. Is > this anything I actually should worry about? I get this for *every* upgrade since the 2.46g I have bought once. Notice the "g" for "German". I even got it from 2.51 to 2.52 like you. But since everything else seems to work ok, I'm not worried about it anymore. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 3.7 Reality is for people who can't handle computers. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 9 22:19:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101311 for opro ; Mon, 09 Aug 99 22:19:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934216628:20:04879:44; Mon, 09 Aug 99 16:37:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120036; 9 Aug 99 16:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA08640 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:49 +0100 Received: from judy.ic.ac.uk (judy.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08635 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:33 +0100 Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.4]) by judy.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DsFw-0000e3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:36 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DsFl-0003iM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:25 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:20 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B260145F6B5@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Reeves-Hall, Peter C." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Process of JPEG's Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:26:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > -----Original Message----- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: 06 August 1999 15:57 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Process of JPEG's > > > > Just a quikie! Changing the RGB curve of sprites seems to work with the > >picture->process controll, but jpeg's don't seem to alter (on screen > anyway > >- I haven't tried a print out yet). Is this normal... To I have to > convert > >my JPEG's to bloat sizes? > > Yes, you can't image process JPEG's. Just like you can't rotate them, > and for the same reasons. And also separations won't work for them. > > Actually it is tempting to do something about this... > [REEVES-HALL, PC] well, for my 2p's worth, if you they were cached as 24 bit sprites at document load time/ when added to a document, but stored as the original JPEG then file sizes would stay small, screen re-draws would be faster and you could use your existing picture process functions? > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 01:58:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101322 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 01:58:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934234606:20:09572:112; Mon, 09 Aug 99 21:36:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110404; 9 Aug 99 21:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08944 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:26:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08937 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:26:35 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.122) [62.188.137.122] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11DwwO-0003nN-00; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:26:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:50:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <492ee7a4a3colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> References: <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, Colin Wood wrote: > I read this thread in Sep/Oct 98, but didn't get anything to help me. > I use Gill Sans light as my default font (either from EFF or Monotype > from Adrian Look - can't remember which). This has 16 faces. > When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP > window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) I then > click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill Sans > Light). > I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I > button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! > Publisher does it - as I see it - correctly. Or is there some advantage > in OP method that I haven't realised? > Any way of sorting it? Thanks for all the possible workarounds. Now that David has taken over development, I would see this as a bug/feature worth sorting quickly - it is the one feature that stops me leaving Impression. -- ___________________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with Dynalink 56k \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / __________________________/ colin.wood@argnet.co.uk antispam - replace argnet with argonet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 01:58:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101323 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 01:58:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934234826:20:12734:17; Mon, 09 Aug 99 21:40:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012712; 9 Aug 99 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA08942 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:26:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08932 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:26:31 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.122) [62.188.137.122] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11DwwK-0003nN-00; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:26:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 14:30:51 +0100 Subject: Repelling text Message-ID: <492ee5ce54colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R How do I repel text within a frame - say to get it 2mm from the border. Alos, can I have the printable area normal with the non-printable edges shaded. Both as in Impression. Page references to manual appreciated. Thanks! -- ___________________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with Dynalink 56k \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / __________________________/ colin.wood@argnet.co.uk antispam - replace argnet with argonet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 13:50:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101348 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:50:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934252494:10:06035:22; Tue, 10 Aug 99 02:34:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128252; 10 Aug 99 2:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09328 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:15:07 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09312 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:14:18 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11E1Qt-00087D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:14:31 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 02:05:29 GMT Message-Id: <101333@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Repelling text X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How do I repel text within a frame - say to get it 2mm from the border. Main menu -> Object -> Modify -> Inset >Alos, can I have the printable area normal with the non-printable edges >shaded. Main menu -> View -> Options -> Print margins David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 13:50:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101349 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:50:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934253476:10:14351:19; Tue, 10 Aug 99 02:51:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107800; 10 Aug 99 2:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09327 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:15:07 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09308 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:14:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11E1Qr-00087D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:14:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 02:05:21 GMT Message-Id: <101331@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Process of JPEG's X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Yes, you can't image process JPEG's. Just like you can't rotate them, >> and for the same reasons. And also separations won't work for them. >> >well, for my 2p's worth, if you they were cached >as 24 bit sprites at document load time/ when added to a document, but >stored as the original JPEG then file sizes would stay small, screen >re-draws would be faster and you could use your existing picture process >functions? Actually I've done what I threatened, so JPEG's can now be rotated or image processed. I don't think converting to 32 bit sprites on load would be that nice, RAM is dearer than disc space... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 13:50:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101356 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:50:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934255380:20:24266:27; Tue, 10 Aug 99 03:23:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024181; 10 Aug 99 3:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA09331 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:15:14 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09304 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:14:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11E1Qp-00087D-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:14:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 02:05:12 GMT Message-Id: <101329@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2-52 Upgrade CRC X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I have upgraded from 2-51 to 2-52 using the patch on the web site. It > seems to be OK, but I get a worrying message from !Upgrade about > mismatched CRC on both the input and output versions of !Runimage. Is > this anything I actually should worry about? I'd be interested to hear if this has happened to anyone else. It shouldn't be happening. On the other hand... >I get this for *every* upgrade since the 2.46g I have bought once. >Notice the "g" for "German". I even got it from 2.51 to 2.52 like you. >But since everything else seems to work ok, I'm not worried about it >anymore. This is less surprising, the German version !RunImage is different to the normal, one and its a matter of chance that the patch works. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 13:50:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101360 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934269325:20:25355:20; Tue, 10 Aug 99 07:15:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025291; 10 Aug 99 7:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA09701 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:04:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09696 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:04:33 +0100 Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=romsley) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11E5xp-0004x3-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:04:49 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:01:36 +0100 From: Angus Mackenzie To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <4001462f49.angus@romsley.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.00) POPstar/2.01b12 Subject: RISC OS 4 - Type=5 Error X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (04 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I am one of the lucky ones with RISC OS 4. I was pleasantly surprised at how smooth the process was, but I am having problems mail merging from Impact (which incidentally worked for 2 days but then announced it needed reinstalling) I can load, edit and print from Ovation Pro v2.51. But if I try to use my mailmerge documents from Impact Pro action buttons (envelope and invoices), Ovation Pro announces it has suffered an internal error (type=5) and dismissing the error box also dismisses the Ovation Pro from the icon bar. Apologies if this has been covered before. Thanks. -- Dr Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Acorn RiscPC user "That rainbow song's no good. It slows the picture right down. Take it out." (Anonymous MGM Exec. at The Wizard of Oz) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 13:50:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101361 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:50:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934273676:10:28426:42; Tue, 10 Aug 99 08:27:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028434; 10 Aug 99 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09816 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:22 +0100 Received: from judy.ic.ac.uk (judy.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09811 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:03 +0100 Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.4]) by judy.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11E76y-0004k8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:20 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11E76w-0007Jq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:18 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:18 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B260145F6BE@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Reeves-Hall, Peter C." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: RE: Process of JPEG's Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:18:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > -----Original Message----- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: 10 August 1999 03:05 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: RE: Process of JPEG's > > > >> Yes, you can't image process JPEG's. Just like you can't rotate them, > >> and for the same reasons. And also separations won't work for them. > >> > >well, for my 2p's worth, if you they were cached > >as 24 bit sprites at document load time/ when added to a document, but > >stored as the original JPEG then file sizes would stay small, screen > >re-draws would be faster and you could use your existing picture process > >functions? > > Actually I've done what I threatened, so JPEG's can now be rotated or > image > processed. [REEVES-HALL, PC] Cool! - when will the upgrade be avaliable? ;-) > I don't think converting to 32 bit sprites on load would be that nice, > RAM is dearer than disc space... [REEVES-HALL, PC] I suppose, not everyone is using OP on an RPC.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 13:50:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101365 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934276373:10:03937:22; Tue, 10 Aug 99 09:12:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004077; 10 Aug 99 9:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA09946 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:57:44 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA09941 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:57:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:40:54 +0200 Subject: Re: 2-52 Upgrade CRC Message-ID: <492f4f18b4bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <101329@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <101329@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <101329@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: [Snip] > >I get this for *every* upgrade since the 2.46g I have bought once. > >Notice the "g" for "German". I even got it from 2.51 to 2.52 like > >you. But since everything else seems to work ok, I'm not worried > >about it anymore. > This is less surprising, the German version !RunImage is different > to the normal, one and its a matter of chance that the patch works. Yes, but *once* I've upgraded from my 2.46g to the 2.51, then there shouldn't be the CRC error when upgrading from the 2.51 to the 2.52, should it? I think this is exactly the same point as Steve experienced. Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 3.7 3 quickest ways to spread news? Telephone, Television, Tellawoman. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 15:18:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101392 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 15:17:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934294276:10:25344:23; Tue, 10 Aug 99 14:11:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110687; 10 Aug 99 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10373 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:05:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10362 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:05:14 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ECWz-0002Zb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:05:34 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 14:04:30 GMT Message-Id: <101379@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2-52 Upgrade CRC X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Yes, but *once* I've upgraded from my 2.46g to the 2.51, then there >shouldn't be the CRC error when upgrading from the 2.51 to the 2.52, >should it? I think this is exactly the same point as Steve experienced. Yes, thats the likely situation, but not necessarily so. The patching process relies on differences B=A+(B-A) If you set off with A' B'=A'+(B-A) then B <> B' David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 16:11:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101397 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 16:11:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934294907:20:12822:61; Tue, 10 Aug 99 14:21:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012519; 10 Aug 99 14:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10374 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:05:41 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA10364 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 15:05:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ECWw-0002Zb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:05:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 13:57:21 GMT Message-Id: <101377@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 - Type=5 Error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I can load, edit and print from Ovation Pro v2.51. But if I >try to use my mailmerge documents from Impact Pro action >buttons (envelope and invoices), Ovation Pro announces it >has suffered an internal error (type=5) and dismissing the >error box also dismisses the Ovation Pro from the icon bar. Um. I have a hazy idea that some of the interaction between OPro and Impact can go via DDF files, transloaders and all that. The transloader problems with RISC OS 4 have been covered here recently. Two solutions have been offered - unprotect page 0 memory, or use the new !Server off the OPro web site in your transloaders. John Skingly mentioned some problems to me, if they're beyond the above comment, you're going to have to wait until I have ROS4 working on my machine. I'd imagine that with just about every crash you see using ROS4 the page 0 memory fix will be worth trying. I'll attach it one more time... begin 644 new.zip M4$L#!!0 @ ( &]FW28V?(@.MP !D! ) !@ 56Y0@!V3X-:,H"a M!:A5P:DEV&Q:!52S11#)QWE*O/\!4$L! A0-% " @ ;V;=)C9\B ZW a M&0$ D & @ %5N4')O=&5C=$%#% !!4D,P2?O__[_Na @Q!D# %!+!08 0 ! $\ #V !#a a end Clearly long term you don't want page 0 unprotected, and anything that crashes when it is protected has a bug in it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 22:45:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101446 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 22:45:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934319207:10:10615:16; Tue, 10 Aug 99 21:06:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111740; 10 Aug 99 21:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA10866 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:58:32 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA10861 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:58:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 27459 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 20:58:38 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 20:58:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 4660 invoked from network); 10 Aug 1999 20:40:00 -0000 Received: from 446.hiper04.access.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.117.190) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 10 Aug 1999 20:40:00 -0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:47:56 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <492ee7a4a3colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I get the same problem with the EFF expert set LondonA (weights: Book, Regular, DemiBold, Bold each with an Expert variant for better matching small caps and "lower case" (aka old style) figures) and there was a thread on the subject somewhat more than a year ago (probably 3 or 4). I think David has always been the one to develop OPro, its just that he has rescued sales from Beebug (that right David?). Anthony On Mon 09 Aug, Colin Wood wrote: > In article <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk>, > Colin Wood wrote: > > I read this thread in Sep/Oct 98, but didn't get anything to help me. > > > I use Gill Sans light as my default font (either from EFF or Monotype > > from Adrian Look - can't remember which). This has 16 faces. > > > When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP > > window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) I then > > click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill Sans > > Light). > -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 10 22:45:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101447 for opro ; Tue, 10 Aug 99 22:45:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934320617:10:25459:21; Tue, 10 Aug 99 21:30:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117683; 10 Aug 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10941 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:23:37 +0100 Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA10936 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:23:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:41:20 +0200 Subject: Re: 2-52 Upgrade CRC Message-ID: <492f70186dbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> In-Reply-To: <101379@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <101379@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12c (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <101379@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Yes, but *once* I've upgraded from my 2.46g to the 2.51, then there > >shouldn't be the CRC error when upgrading from the 2.51 to the 2.52, > >should it? I think this is exactly the same point as Steve > >experienced. > Yes, thats the likely situation, but not necessarily so. > The patching process relies on differences > B=A+(B-A) > If you set off with A' > B'=A'+(B-A) > then > B <> B' One point for you then! :-) Greetings, Stefan. -- Stefan Bellon Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202 MHz * 66 MB RAM * RISC OS 3.7 We must proactively pursue enterprise-wide catalysts for change in order to efficiently foster long-term high-impact methods of empowerment to meet our deadlines. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Wed Aug 11 01:20:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101453 for opro ; Wed, 11 Aug 99 01:20:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934323733:20:01352:4; Tue, 10 Aug 99 22:22:13 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001268; 10 Aug 99 22:22 GMT Received: from romsley.demon.co.uk ([158.152.206.166] helo=romsley) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EKHR-0006qV-0K for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:22:01 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:21:00 +0100 From: Angus Mackenzie To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 - Type=5 Error Message-ID: References: <101377@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <101377@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/4.00) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (04 Oct 1998) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Status: R In message <101377@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > >I can load, edit and print from Ovation Pro v2.51. But if I > >try to use my mailmerge documents from Impact Pro action > >buttons (envelope and invoices), Ovation Pro announces it > >has suffered an internal error (type=5) and dismissing the > >error box also dismisses the Ovation Pro from the icon bar. > > > Um. I have a hazy idea that some of the interaction between > OPro and Impact can go via DDF files, transloaders and all that. > The transloader problems with RISC OS 4 have been covered here > recently. > Two solutions have been offered - unprotect page 0 memory, > or use the new !Server off the OPro web site in your transloaders. > > John Skingly mentioned some problems to me, if they're beyond the > above comment, you're going to have to wait until I have ROS4 working > on my machine. > Thanks for that. I have now tried both the new version of !Server and unprotecting zero page. I have also tried mail merging via an intermediate CSV file, and have checked that TransDDF's Boot and Run files are amended in line with the instructions in the new mail merge document. In all cases, Ovation Pro (v2.51) dies instantly with a type = 5 error. If I start out with Ovation Pro booted but not loaded, then an attempted mail merge will load the program and the document but with the merge tags stubbornly in place; any attempt to use a dialogue box to encourage the merge to take place causes the program to fall over again. I suppose I could try upgrading to v2.52 but then, as you say, I'll just have to wait for you to get RISC OS 4 working on your machine. It would be interesting to know if anyone with RO4 has mail merge working, as it would imply that I should persevere a little longer. -- Dr Angus Mackenzie angus@romsley.demon.co.uk Consultant Anaesthetist Acorn RiscPC user This is not a tagline. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 11 02:55:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101460 for opro ; Wed, 11 Aug 99 02:55:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934331868:20:11392:16; Wed, 11 Aug 99 00:37:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100849; 11 Aug 99 0:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA11185 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:20:51 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA11180 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:20:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EM8b-000Emw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:21:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 99 22:47:47 GMT Message-Id: <101448@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think David has always been the one to develop OPro, its just that he has >rescued sales from Beebug (that right David?). Yes. I wrote it all, except for some of the bits and bobs like transloaders. >and there was a thread on the subject somewhat more than a year ago >(probably 3 or 4) Yes its a well known problem. Why haven't I fixed it yet? I've yet to find a satisfactory algorithm. Its easy to find something that will work for a particular small set of fonts, but in the big picture many horrible special case exist. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 11 13:34:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101470 for opro ; Wed, 11 Aug 99 13:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934358636:10:27289:37; Wed, 11 Aug 99 08:03:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027564; 11 Aug 99 8:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA11638 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:42:21 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA11633 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:42:05 +0100 Received: from p72.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.200] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11ET2b-0000k3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:43:17 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:42:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:43:23 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <101448@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I think David has always been the one to develop OPro, its just that he has > >rescued sales from Beebug (that right David?). > > Yes. I wrote it all, except for some of the bits and bobs like > transloaders. > > >and there was a thread on the subject somewhat more than a year ago > >(probably 3 or 4) > > Yes its a well known problem. Why haven't I fixed it yet? I've yet > to find a satisfactory algorithm. Its easy to find something that > will work for a particular small set of fonts, but in the big picture > many horrible special case exist. > I *think* that I would be happy with an algorithm which used the same means of identifying the 'leaf' name for italic/roman/bold etc but required a match for the whole 'path' within the Font directory. If I have a directory for 'Eric' (EFF's Gill) it might contain the following: (Regular) Bold Bold.Italic Cond Cond.Bold Cond.Ultrabold Extrabold Italic Light Light Italic Ultrabold At present, applying 'Bold' style to roman gives Bold (correct) but applying Bold to 'Cond' or gives the same result. Removing italic from Light.Italic gives roman etc. At present I have to invent new directories for font subsets (such as 'EricLight') but I still seem to get caught out at times. The really frustrating thing is that I've now tried so many different font directory structures in an attempt to find one which works, that most of our older documents won't now load without screwing up the fonts. Is there a structure which works and whixh has still eluded me? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 11 19:27:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101520 for opro ; Wed, 11 Aug 99 19:27:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934392460:20:01415:19; Wed, 11 Aug 99 17:27:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000873; 11 Aug 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13071 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:17:47 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13066 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:17:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ec0r-000M9P-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:18:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 99 18:14:15 GMT Message-Id: <101516@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a structure which works and whixh has still eluded me? Well presumeably one with only 4 fonts in each font family, each of which is clearly identifiable. c.f. Homerton. The original (unlamented) OPro font system would transform your fonts into 4 member families. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 11 19:27:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101521 for opro ; Wed, 11 Aug 99 19:27:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934394682:10:06621:20; Wed, 11 Aug 99 18:04:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111778; 11 Aug 99 18:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13217 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:57:33 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13212 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:57:18 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust202.tnt8.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.248.202] with SMTP for id TAA10561 (8.8.8/1.19); Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:57:42 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <00fa01bee422$c0bdd580$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:44:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: >> Yes its a well known problem. Why haven't I fixed it yet? I've yet >> to find a satisfactory algorithm. Its easy to find something that >> will work for a particular small set of fonts, but in the big picture >> many horrible special case exist. >> david@english.co.uk (David Graddol) wrote: >If I have a directory for 'Eric' (EFF's Gill) it might contain >the following: > > (Regular) >Bold >Bold.Italic >Cond >Cond.Bold >Cond.Ultrabold >Extrabold >Italic >Light >Light Italic >Ultrabold > > >At present, applying 'Bold' style to roman gives Bold (correct) >but applying Bold to 'Cond' or gives the same result. Removing >italic from Light.Italic gives roman etc. > >At present I have to invent new directories for font subsets >(such as 'EricLight') but I still seem to get caught out at >times. At least for "Bold" and "Italic" IMHO the only solution is using the "standard" RISC OS fontmenu with it's flexibility for handling typefaces containing just one weight to faces with xx weights. And you always get what you want. In the early days typeface-families contained only 4 weights. Even early EFF-fonts were named eg. Swiss1 (Regular, Bold, Oblique, Bold Oblique) and Swiss 2 (Light, Black, Light Oblique, Black Oblique). Only in such a situation it make sense to use a "button structure" for toggling between a Regular, Bold, Slanted and Bold-Slanted weight. Yes, even the name Italic for everything "Slanted" is misleading. Now a days more and more fonts contain more and more weights with more and more different weight names not only mentioning the actual weight (eg. Light) or style (eg. Italic), but also names like Inline, 31A etc. etc. My pledge is to stick to the flexibility of the RISC OS fontmenu structure, and even banning all the buttons which call upon different weights. Try Publisher: choose a font like Homerton.Oblique. Next choose the button "Italic". Here on purpose, while working sometimes by mistake. Type a little text. Choose a different style. Save you document and reopen it. Create a "font usage list" and you can see entries like Homerton.Oblique.Italic. Yes, it does have a leading *, so Publisher corrects its own/yours mistake. But the example illustrates a weird construction you can accomplish. And if such a contruction would not be corrected and has to be mapped to PostScript, I can imagine a lot of trouble ... Tonnie - just a font freak -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From colin.wood@argonet.co.uk Wed Aug 11 21:28:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101531 for opro ; Wed, 11 Aug 99 21:28:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934403045:10:03736:6; Wed, 11 Aug 99 20:24:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003568; 11 Aug 99 20:23 GMT Received: from (62.188.132.166) [62.188.132.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11EeuQ-0005Kk-00; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:23:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:40:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Repelling text Message-ID: <492fa171e8colin.wood@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <101333@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <101333@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain In article <101333@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >How do I repel text within a frame - say to get it 2mm from the border. > Main menu -> Object -> Modify -> Inset > >Also, can I have the printable area normal with the non-printable edges > >shaded. > Main menu -> View -> Options -> Print margins Many thanks, David. -- ___________________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with Dynalink 56k \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / __________________________/ colin.wood@argnet.co.uk antispam - replace argnet with argonet From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 01:32:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101548 for opro ; Thu, 12 Aug 99 01:32:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934407696:10:22011:18; Wed, 11 Aug 99 21:41:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021672; 11 Aug 99 21:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA13433 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:32:13 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13428 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:31:57 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-32.access.ch [195.112.69.160]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA19441 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:32:32 +0200 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:31:03 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To all on this mailing list: Greetings! This is a repeated and urgent request. David Pilling will want to present an up-to-date manual for OvPro. Some information is present about mistakes, omissions or whatever on the old manual. But actually it is not clear how precise this information is. May I therefore ask all readers of this mailing list to send to me directly ( email: janvredenb@access.ch ) all comments and/or corrections that you ever sent to Beebug or J.Wallace or Ian MacDougall regarding corrections on the OvPro manual. May I ask that you present this info as follows: - state page number, chapter nr and section nr. - state main topic - eventually state what wording needs correcting and then state the correct wording (example: wordz m/b words, nife m/b knife, etc.) - or simply state what additional text should be included or changed. **And please do not change the subject of these mailings.** This way we can give David Pilling more time for programming OvPro and we all get an up-to-date manual. Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. Any other suggestions will be gratefully accepted. Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 12 19:56:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101608 for opro ; Thu, 12 Aug 99 19:56:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934480238:10:17198:27; Thu, 12 Aug 99 17:50:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017112; 12 Aug 99 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14775 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:39:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14770 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:39:42 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.225) [62.188.134.225] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Eyq3-0005S5-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:40:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:27:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Three Questions Message-ID: <4930608831charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <199908060647.HAA04402@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > On Fri 06 Aug, Colin Randall typed: > > 1) When loading OvationPro I get a message > > '...Applets!Ovation1.Specific not found'. The only Applets I have > > loaded are Bullet List, Calculator and Smart Quotes. What is causing > > this error message and where can I find 'Specific'! I get this too. Is there an answer? > > 2) How can I set the print options so as to produce A5 pages > > side-by-side in landscape format, I can work the pamphlet option okay > > but do not always want the pages as in this layout. What I want is to > > have pages 1 and 2 on a sheet, 3 and 4 on the next sheet and so on. I > > have tried various settings but without success. I think "Thumbnails" will do this for you -- >From KT24 - south west of London & east of Guildford. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 13 13:50:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101654 for opro ; Fri, 13 Aug 99 13:50:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934548311:20:05612:16; Fri, 13 Aug 99 12:45:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112860; 13 Aug 99 12:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16738 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:35:46 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA16733 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:35:32 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-79.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.79]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA19277 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:36:15 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:23:53 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Message-ID: <87471e3049%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB16738 Status: R Hi all. Fonts. Complicated. All that history, trays of metal blocks and messy ink. These computer thingies seem to have streched the metaphore without enabl= ing usage. Actually, until I read about the problems here in this mailing lis= t - regarding defining what the bold button does when faced with modern font families - I had didn't know about the problem myself. Well, I've had an idea. The next time font systems come up for revision m= aybe it'll be useful. Here it is: Font families need to have routes defined in them. Each specific weight needs=A0a list of pointers. These pointers are called... More bold Less Bold More Italic Less Italic ....and each would either point to the weight which produces that effect o= r is 'null' to indicate that that idea is not representable. For example, the = font 'Europe' might be defined as follows... Europe (regular) More Bold =3D> Europe.Bold Less Bold =3D> More Italic =3D> Europe.Oblique Less Italic =3D> Europe.Bold More Bold =3D> Less Bold =3D> Europe (regular) More Italic =3D> Europe.Bold.Oblique Less Italic =3D> Europe.Bold.Oblique More Bold =3D> Less Bold =3D> Europe.Oblique More Italic =3D> Less Italic =3D> Europe.Bold Europe.Oblique More Bold =3D> Europe.Bold.Oblique Less Bold =3D>=20 More Italic =3D> Less Italic =3D> Europe (regular) A font that has more than one wieght of boldness can be defined, let's ca= ll it 'Cloud' so that...=20 Cloud (regular) More Bold =3D> Cloud.Demi Less Bold =3D> More Italic =3D> Cloud.Italic Less Italic =3D> Cloud.Demi (Half bold) More Bold =3D> Cloud.Bold Less Bold =3D> Cloud (regular) More Italic =3D> Cloud.Demi.Italic Less Italic =3D> Cloud.Bold (Full bold) More Bold =3D> Cloud.Black Less Bold =3D> Cloud.Demi More Italic =3D> Cloud.Bold.Italic Less Italic =3D> Cloud.Black (Double bold) More Bold =3D> Less Bold =3D> Cloud.Bold More Italic =3D> Cloud.Black.Italic Less Italic =3D> Cloud.Bold.Italic More Bold =3D> Cloud.Black.Italic Less Bold =3D> Cloud.Italic More Italic =3D>=20 Less Italic =3D> Cloud (regular) (other italc & italic/bold/black/demi weights omitted, but you can imagin= e) One could take this to extremes for effects and have... Trinity.Bold More Bold =3D> Homerton.Bold Or use some kind of encoding to define... Trinity.Bold.Italic More Bold =3D> Trinity.Bold.Italic + 50% to Font aspect ratio=20 >From the user's point of view all these things are chosen using Bold and Italic 'buttons' that also have a +1 or -1 indicator (or +2 or -2 etc). I envisage that these definitions can be incorperated into styles to over= ride the font's own definitions for effects. I suppose a fix could be made whereby OvationPro defines these tables of pointers for itself in the programme choices allowing the user to=20 redefine them if they see fit to do so. OK. Well, someone store this idea away where it can easily be got it if it's needed. Brian. --=20 Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 13 16:01:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101680 for opro ; Fri, 13 Aug 99 16:01:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934551671:20:24631:25; Fri, 13 Aug 99 13:41:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112983; 13 Aug 99 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA17041 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:31:20 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17036 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:31:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11FHR6-0006Ag-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:31:56 +0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 99 14:13:56 GMT Message-Id: <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I suppose a fix could be made whereby OvationPro defines these tables >of pointers for itself in the programme choices allowing the user to >redefine them if they see fit to do so. Thats really what is at issue, the algorithm OPro should use to automatically arrange the fonts degrees of boldness etc. I suppose having a table would at least be preferable to starting renaming fonts. Something like Acorn DTP (remember that?) did have a table of font names. In general relying on such a table is not acceptable for most users. As to having a degree of boldness other than zero or one. Short term thats not on, and it would be interesting to know if everyone would find the concept an improvement or not. Currently selecting bold is a toggle, if the text is already bold it is made normal, not more bold. One snag that has occured to me is this, if you have text in font (A) and select bold, then another font is used (B). I wonder if it is always the case in Impression (etc) that when font B is in use and bold is selected again text returns to font A. In other words just because B is the bold variation of A, it isn't necessarily true that A is the non-bold variation of B. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 13 18:46:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101697 for opro ; Fri, 13 Aug 99 18:46:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934565307:10:17985:17; Fri, 13 Aug 99 17:28:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017860; 13 Aug 99 17:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA17650 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:15:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA17645 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:15:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.82.251) [193.149.82.251] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11FKwI-0000eF-00; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:16:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:46:55 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Message-ID: <49310719c8bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12c (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > One snag that has occured to me is this, if you have text in font > (A) and select bold, then another font is used (B). I wonder if it > is always the case in Impression (etc) that when font B is in use > and bold is selected again text returns to font A. > In other words just because B is the bold variation of A, it isn't > necessarily true that A is the non-bold variation of B. In Impression Pub one toggles Bold by the button or Ctrl-B, or sets it by specifically choosing a bold version of the font from the font list. Experience and brief experiments just now indicate that reverting to non-bold from bold usually does go back to the correct font. One complication is the is the inconsistent way the font name is /displayed/. Using Trinity as an example (whose light and bold versions are called Medium and Bold), with Trinity.Medium showing, toggling by the button or Ctrl-B does not change the displayed name to Trinity.Bold; selecting Trinity.Bold from the font list 'presses' the Bold button but leaves Trinity.Medium showing. However with AvantGarde (whose light and bold versions are called BOOK and DEMI), the button and Ctrl-B work the same way when BOOK is displayed but changing via the font list from AvanteGarde.BOOK to AvanteGarde.DEMI does not show the Bold button depressed. In other words, with the latter selected you cannot go back to BOOK using the button or Ctrl-B. I have got used to these IPub foibles by now but OvPro needs to do it better :-) Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 13 22:11:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101710 for opro ; Fri, 13 Aug 99 22:11:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934575474:20:26438:1; Fri, 13 Aug 99 20:17:54 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026396; 13 Aug 99 20:17 GMT Received: from omba.demon.co.uk ([158.152.58.5]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11FNls-000PtE-0C for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:17:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jeremy C B Nicoll To: David Pilling Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 21:06:44 +0100 Subject: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Message-ID: <4931196518Jeremy@omba.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12b (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Thats really what is at issue, the algorithm OPro should use to > automatically arrange the fonts degrees of boldness etc. Discussion here seems to centre around how other Acorn DTP software works but the problem must be a bit more widespread than that! How does the publishing/typesetting industry cope - does anyone know? If there's an industry solution should we not just use it ... and if that's how the software works now, then keep it that way? -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 13 23:30:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101711 for opro ; Fri, 13 Aug 99 23:30:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934582126:10:28151:16; Fri, 13 Aug 99 22:08:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111374; 13 Aug 99 22:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA17966 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:51:20 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA17961 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:51:06 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-56.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.122]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10467 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 09:50:16 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:36:23 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 11 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an > excellent "pamphlet" sized print. I'm worried. Do you mean that I'll be printing it out on A3 stock? That's a big pamphlet. Or... surely you're not intending we scale it? If it's an A5 pamphlet, then A5 master, please. thanks: tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 14 13:47:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101717 for opro ; Sat, 14 Aug 99 13:47:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934606937:20:10272:19; Sat, 14 Aug 99 05:02:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107446; 14 Aug 99 5:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18460 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:43:50 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA18454 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:43:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 26405 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 04:44:41 -0000 Received: from userk971.uk.uudial.com (HELO bm95.argonet.co.uk) (193.149.73.39) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 04:44:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 05:22:32 +0100 Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual Message-ID: <493146c960df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.12e (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Tim King wrote: > On Wed 11 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving > > an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. > I'm worried. Do you mean that I'll be printing it out on A3 stock? > That's a big pamphlet. Or... surely you're not intending we scale it? If > it's an A5 pamphlet, then A5 master, please. > thanks: tim No thank you... A4 format initially then print landscape at 71 percent plus or minus a couple of points, depending upon printer setup, on to standard A4... fold in the middle. Thank you Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 14 13:47:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101716 for opro ; Sat, 14 Aug 99 13:47:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934593471:10:19350:16; Sat, 14 Aug 99 01:17:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019303; 14 Aug 99 1:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA18199 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:02:32 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18194 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:02:20 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11FSED-000Ksl-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 01:03:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 99 01:56:14 GMT Message-Id: <101714@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm worried. Do you mean that I'll be printing it out on A3 stock? That's a >big pamphlet. Or... surely you're not intending we scale it? If it's an A5 >pamphlet, then A5 master, please. The idea is that a new OPro manual is odds on only ever likely to appear on disc. If you want a paper copy you'll have to print it and most people have A4 printers. At the moment the plan is to adopt an A4 page size, so that it can either be printed out as A4 or as an A5 pamphlet (yes using scaling). One advantage of this is that it makes the pages slightly bigger than in the existing manual, so there's room for some additions. Adopting A5 would make the pages slightly smaller, and probably require a lot of work. As of now though its an open question, if anyone has a good reason why any one size should be chosen, let us know. I'm not totally ruling out a printed version, however the printer I asked also voted in favour of a move to A4. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 14 13:48:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101721 for opro ; Sat, 14 Aug 99 13:48:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934630808:20:20346:18; Sat, 14 Aug 99 11:40:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122175; 14 Aug 99 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA18738 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:22:01 +0100 Received: from mserv1a.u-net.net (mserv1a.u-net.net [195.102.240.34]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18733 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:21:43 +0100 Received: from p21.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.149] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1a.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11FbuD-0005NX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:23:22 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:03:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:04:43 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Message-ID: <4c9b6b3149%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > >I suppose a fix could be made whereby OvationPro defines these tables > >of pointers for itself in the programme choices allowing the user to > >redefine them if they see fit to do so. > > Thats really what is at issue, the algorithm OPro should use to automatically > arrange the fonts degrees of boldness etc. > Two things strike me: the first is that the idea of 'bold' or 'italic' as an 'effect' is really a word processor thing, rather than a professional typesetting thing. It happens to be very useful to have a style button, though, because of the way that bold and italics have become used in modern typography and, even more so perhaps, in 'postmodern' typography where weights and italics may change within words. Second, is the problem in establishing an algorithm mainly related to bold rather than italic? Are there any faces that have relative degrees of italicness? Or alternatives between oblique and italic? If so, they must be rare. From my own point of view, it is the italic style which is much more important to have as an effect rather than bold. (Largely because I have to set a great many academic bibliographical references where titles are set in italic). I would be happy enough, I think, if italic were treated in a binary fashion and bold in a different way - allowing me, for example, to use Gill regular as the 'bold' equivalent of 'light' or 'book'. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 14 17:40:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101737 for opro ; Sat, 14 Aug 99 17:40:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934647912:10:23145:17; Sat, 14 Aug 99 16:25:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022826; 14 Aug 99 16:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19114 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:11:11 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA19109 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:10:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 13214 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 16:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 16:12:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 1125 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 16:01:51 -0000 Received: from 114.hiper05.shef.dialup.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.92.114) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 16:01:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:04:12 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 12 Aug, Tim King wrote: > On Wed 11 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an > > excellent "pamphlet" sized print. > > I'm worried. Do you mean that I'll be printing it out on A3 stock? That's a > big pamphlet. Or... surely you're not intending we scale it? If it's an A5 > pamphlet, then A5 master, please. > > thanks: tim > I work the way Tim indicates, A5 pages print at 100% for pamphlet printing. But that is not the way David P expects us to work so the default with Pamphlet Printing is 71% - I always have to change it to 100% for a new pamphlet. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:09:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101742 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:09:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934649848:20:07907:19; Sat, 14 Aug 99 16:57:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105960; 14 Aug 99 16:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19238 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:44:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19231 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 17:43:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Fgve-000EAc-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 16:45:10 +0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 99 17:42:22 GMT Message-Id: <101739@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But that is not the way David P expects us to work so the default with >Pamphlet Printing is 71% - I always have to change it to 100% for a new >pamphlet. Printers Pairs - print format? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:09:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101745 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:09:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934658540:10:15467:21; Sat, 14 Aug 99 19:22:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105989; 14 Aug 99 19:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19554 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:09:40 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19549 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:09:28 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JERSPHI1H600BT4P@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:17:26 GMT +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:12:51 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual In-reply-to: <101739@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <54ca9d3149.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <101739@pilling.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <101739@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >But that is not the way David P expects us to work so the default with > >Pamphlet Printing is 71% - I always have to change it to 100% for a new > >pamphlet. > > Printers Pairs - print format? Well the normal pamphlet printing option automaticly changes to 71% even when I use a double A5 masterpage to make a folded A4 pamphlet. Not everyone uses A4 masterpages to create double A5 pamphlets ;-) I don't know if it is possible to auto-adjust the scale to the given printermargins and papersize when you click on pamphlet printing. On the other hand, that's where fit comes in. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:09:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101748 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:09:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934667527:20:00714:17; Sat, 14 Aug 99 21:52:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121744; 14 Aug 99 21:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19784 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:36:19 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA19779 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:36:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 1865 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 21:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 21:37:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 11869 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 21:36:48 -0000 Received: from 212.hiper03.shef.dialup.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (195.166.146.212) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 21:36:48 -0000 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:10:18 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <101739@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 14 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >But that is not the way David P expects us to work so the default with > >Pamphlet Printing is 71% - I always have to change it to 100% for a new > >pamphlet. > > Printers Pairs - print format? > > Yes. Proofs printed Odd pages then Even pages reverse order on the back to make a single copy, then Masters printed all pages single side of the paper for copying, collating, folding and stapling. I have one Style sheet for the monthly church magazine which holds the printer scale nicely, soRSET MAIL FROM: it isn't a major problem. Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk . RCPT TO: DATA Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:30:32 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: help To: majordomo@argonet.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] help -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:09:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101754 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:09:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934681024:10:29573:17; Sun, 15 Aug 99 01:37:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115734; 15 Aug 99 1:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20322 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 02:23:53 +0100 Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20317 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 02:23:40 +0100 Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA02749 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 02:19:23 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16425; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:14:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:57:05 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <493073B776%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message David Graddol wrote: > I *think* that I would be happy with an algorithm which used the > same means of identifying the 'leaf' name for italic/roman/bold > etc but required a match for the whole 'path' within the Font > directory. But some fonts are inconsistent in their use of names within the path. For example, I've encountered some that use both Cond and Condensed. > If I have a directory for 'Eric' (EFF's Gill) it might contain > the following: > (Regular) > Bold > Bold.Italic > Cond > Cond.Bold > Cond.Ultrabold > Extrabold > Italic > Light > Light Italic > Ultrabold So you have weights of Light (Regular) Bold Extrabold Ultrabold widths of Cond[ensed] (Regular) slants of (Upright) Italic It's not exactly difficult to parse a font name and then look for the next lighter/heavier/narrower/wider/whatever face for which the other parameters remain unchanged. Of course, that might not be what you want, although it seemed to work OK for me when I tinkered with it. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:10:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101763 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:10:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934691002:10:07731:16; Sun, 15 Aug 99 04:23:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007680; 15 Aug 99 4:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA20523 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 05:12:13 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA20518 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 05:11:58 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-33.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.99]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05670 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:11:19 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:09:52 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <493146c960df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 14 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: > > I'm worried. Do you mean that I'll be printing it out on A3 stock? > > That's a big pamphlet. Or... surely you're not intending we scale it? If > > it's an A5 pamphlet, then A5 master, please. > > > thanks: tim > > No thank you... A4 format initially then print landscape at 71 percent > plus or minus a couple of points, depending upon printer setup, on to > standard A4... fold in the middle. Ahh. Just as I thought. ;-) ok, it was a slightly teasing sort of post, although A4 *is* a big pamphlet. I was on 1 of my little pet groans - ie why do people produce work at a different size to what they intend it to be as hard copy? It's just a general principle. *Always* work at 100%. Now it won't matter a great deal if this is primarily an electronic doc, but if we think most people are going to print it out to use it (not unreasonable in that, in use, chances are we'll be sitting in fron of an OP window), then the decision should be made as to what is the most desirable size. You say A4, so you pick a font size of, 8-10pt? For several reasons, A5 might be a better size to manage (easier to hold with 1 hand, easier to bind, from an A5 orig easier to find index references) as you sit at the computer, so reducing the original for our hard copy gives us a point size of... Well, you could always set the A4 orig. at 12pt, but then if you go and print that out at the intended size, it's a bit big, yes? And then there's all the extra sheets of paper... Think of more complex work. You're scanning the artwork. The graphics frame is 100x70. Now, if you're outputing this original at 71% the frame's really... so what are we scaling the image by again?, and at #lpi we should scan at... and then scaled back up to... in our original that'll be scanning at - hang on, where was I? To a lesser extent, you've still got that problem here even if it's not going to film. Well, maybe it just means the file will be a lot bigger than it needs. My suspicion that this insistence of always working in A4 is a hangover from the days when software didn't quite work the way you intended. Don't know. But it's a real nuisance in received copy. Too much headache, and far too much maths. David says it may be a problem changing the format. I'm not going to seriously suggest anyone should do a whole lot more work. I think we should just be thankful that we're getting *any* updated manual. thanks: tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:10:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101775 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:10:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934733356:10:09611:32; Sun, 15 Aug 99 16:09:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103712; 15 Aug 99 16:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21316 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:52:47 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21311 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:52:35 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.165.35]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA574C for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:53:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:21:09 +0100 Subject: TransDDF loader Message-ID: <493206eba0delink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12e (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all! I've encountered a very strange bug: When I drag a DDF file (or a normal text file containing DDF information) to an OPro window, everything works fine, unless... ... the first character in that file is a B (!) In the latter case an error box pops up, displaying: Message from !TransBMP CF08 and OPro refuses to load the DDF file. I don't know where this !TransBMP comes from - I never installed it, as far as I know (I am one of the rare and happy RISCOS4 users). And this error box also displays the MS-Windows icon! Is this all a bad dream? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 19:10:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101777 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:10:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934706490:20:01253:21; Sun, 15 Aug 99 08:41:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105215; 15 Aug 99 8:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA20799 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:28:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA20794 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:28:23 +0100 Received: from (193.149.75.33) [193.149.75.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Fvfh-0002v5-00; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:29:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 14 Aug 99 14:45:36 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I would have thought that if we are going to have to print our own copy and I haven't got anything against that, the following criteria regading size should apply. 1. When printing pages then provision is made for a decent sized margin. 2. The finished result should be of a size that will fit readily into a ring binder of a size easily available from stationers. Ted Lacey -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXVIII - Secretary of Southampton Acorn User Group - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 21:33:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101826 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 21:33:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934744510:20:26057:17; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:15:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129440; 15 Aug 99 19:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21601 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:54:32 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21593 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:54:08 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-32.access.ch [193.246.42.224]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id UAA08893 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:55:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:31:51 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAA21594 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB21601 Status: R On Sat 14 Aug, Ted Lacey wrote: > I would have thought that if we are going to have to print our own copy= and I > haven't got anything against that, the following criteria regading size= should > apply. >=20 > 1. When printing pages then provision is made for a decent sized margin. >=20 > 2. The finished result should be of a size that will fit readily into a= ring =20 > binder of a size easily available from stationers. There is one problem: the present printed manual is size A4+1/x. Most OvP= ro users have a printer that manages A4 paper size. Down-sizing the present manual to A5 can only be done if the text remains readable. So I have the choice of giving in to your wishes and many users needing magnifying "thingies" to read the text. Or try to present a well readable manual. At present I foresee an inner margin of 15mm's and an outside margin of=A09mm's. Using 5 different punching machines my experience is that the punched hole remains within a 14mm's inner margin. So it should fit in standard ring binders. I am grateful for any comment on the preceding paragraph. Please to me directly, so we can leave David Pilling to his programming. JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 21:33:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101827 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 21:33:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934744606:20:26031:24; Sun, 15 Aug 99 19:16:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026846; 15 Aug 99 19:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21600 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:54:29 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21589 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:54:06 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-32.access.ch [193.246.42.224]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id UAA08855 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:12:38 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 15 Aug, Tim King wrote: > On Sat 14 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: As you mailed your message via the OP mailing list, I answer you by the same route for 2 reasons: -1 because I initiated this topic -2 I would like everyone to understand that I am doing this so that David Pilling can concentrate on the programming aspects, as many of you on this list have requested. My initial message was sent out with his prior agreement. > ;-) ok, it was a slightly teasing sort of post, although A4 *is* a big > pamphlet. I was on 1 of my little pet groans - ie why do people produce work > at a different size to what they intend it to be as hard copy? It's just a > general principle. *Always* work at 100%. I understand. But please do realize that all users of OvPro do *not* use it the same way as you do. Nor as I do. The main point is that we can make the program do what we individually want it to do. > really... so what are we scaling the image by again?, and at #lpi we should > scan at... and then scaled back up to... in our original that'll be scanning > at - hang on, where was I? ;-)) I wonder 8-) > My suspicion that this insistence of always working in A4 is a hangover from > the days when software didn't quite work the way you intended. Don't know. > But it's a real nuisance in received copy. Too much headache, and far too > much maths. Hold on! The A4 format is not only for the computer. Whole filing systems, stationary, filing cabinets, etc., etc. are based on this format. With the international interchange of information also comes the necessity for standards. And these are well developed in Europe and set according to international standards. Not only that, but many paper sizes were set long before that. And accepted as well as a standard by xxx postal services worldwide for billing you for the mail you send. No minorities will be able in the long run to have their ideas accepted as a standard. And a program as OvPro cannot succeed if it adapts itself to minorities. The basic standards must be accepted. That nevertheless the program gives the opportunity for special sizes etc. is, well, fantastic. > David says it may be a problem changing the format. I'm not going to > seriously suggest anyone should do a whole lot more work. I think we should > just be thankful that we're getting *any* updated manual. Thanks for stating this. I assure you that changing the format is a huge task, especially if you want to rewrite it from scratch. I tried it out on the Colour supplement's manual. Without re-writing the text. It took me several days, and approx. a fortnight to think over how to do it. Yes, I also tried A5 format. It was a disaster. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 23:36:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101837 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934750172:20:19709:17; Sun, 15 Aug 99 20:49:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019692; 15 Aug 99 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21957 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:32:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21945 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:31:39 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G6xj-0001Vs-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:33:03 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 21:17:27 GMT Message-Id: <101816@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well the normal pamphlet printing option automaticly changes to 71% The code that does this is in the Library.Imposition script file. So if it really really irritates you, a rapid tweak with an Editor can fix the problem. >even when I use a double A5 masterpage to make a folded A4 pamphlet. Obviously then it could be smarter. I suppose the original motivation was to make pamphlet printing simple for naive users. Click here and click on print. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 23:36:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101838 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:36:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934750173:20:19747:16; Sun, 15 Aug 99 20:49:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106353; 15 Aug 99 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21956 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:32:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21941 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:31:37 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G6xi-0001Vs-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:33:02 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 21:12:02 GMT Message-Id: <101814@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It's not exactly difficult to parse a font name and then look for the >next lighter/heavier/narrower/wider/whatever face for which the other >parameters remain unchanged. Of course, that might not be what you >want, although it seemed to work OK for me when I tinkered with it. Didn't write down the algorithm though did you ;-) I promise I will have another go at this. Trouble is I've probably forgotten what the horrid snags are that made me give up last time. Obviously it must be possible to do as well as Impression or Techwriter. But then again I suppose they must have their failings too. Part of the trouble for me is the background, we spent vast amounts of time on the original system. And people would laugh when you explained how it worked to them... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 23:36:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101839 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:36:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934750183:20:19956:17; Sun, 15 Aug 99 20:49:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019893; 15 Aug 99 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA21955 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:32:07 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21938 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:31:36 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G6xh-0001Vs-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:33:01 +0000 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 21:08:55 GMT Message-Id: <101812@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: TransDDF loader X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, > Message from !TransBMP >and OPro refuses to load the DDF file. >I don't know where this !TransBMP comes from Likely as not Impression. And you will find it in ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!Boot.Resources.!System.!CCShared I suppose part of the problem is that these transloaders are smart - they try to work out filetypes from their contents. But obviously not smart enough. If you're happy to settype files, then you could scrap these tloaders and use TransFSI supplied with OPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Aug 15 23:36:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101848 for opro ; Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:36:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934753190:20:18974:23; Sun, 15 Aug 99 21:39:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122144; 15 Aug 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA22369 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:30:54 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22364 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:30:41 +0100 Received: from modem-119.isotretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.74.119] helo=orchard-way) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7sq-0003Ew-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:32:05 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:28:09 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual Message-ID: <1f85283249%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <493146c960df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <493146c960df.symes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > Tim King wrote: > > On Wed 11 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > > > Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving > > > an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. > > > I'm worried. Do you mean that I'll be printing it out on A3 stock? > > That's a big pamphlet. Or... surely you're not intending we scale it? If > > it's an A5 pamphlet, then A5 master, please. > > > thanks: tim > > No thank you... A4 format initially then print landscape at 71 percent > plus or minus a couple of points, depending upon printer setup, on to > standard A4... fold in the middle. > I print a monthy magazine using Pamphlet. Initially I set it up using the defaults, i.e. A4 pages scaled down to A5 when printing. I did manage to get font sizes which were readable, although remembering to scale up to 141% of what I wanted to see before setting them was a fiddle. What finally caused me to re-do the master document in A5, 100% scale was that I couldn't get the displayed join between the pages to occur at the fold line - it was always 2-3mm off. This is probably due to bubblejet printing, where there is a large bottom margin, which is on the right when pamphlet printing. Working actual size cured the problem. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 02:40:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101876 for opro ; Mon, 16 Aug 99 02:40:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934765585:10:11870:17; Mon, 16 Aug 99 01:06:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011732; 16 Aug 99 1:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22841 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:34:04 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22830 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:33:42 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GAic-000IN0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:33:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 01:24:02 GMT Message-Id: <101859@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: The 'Specific' problem solved... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd like to share this snippet fromm charles hope with you... >> >> On Fri 06 Aug, Colin Randall typed: >> >> > 1) When loading OvationPro I get a message >> >> > '...Applets!Ovation1.Specific not found'. The only Applets I have >> >> > loaded are Bullet List, Calculator and Smart Quotes. What is causing >> >> > this error message and where can I find 'Specific'! >> >I get this too. Is there an answer? >I have "switched off" all the Applets, it still does it. >Next step is to empty the Applets directory. >Done that. >Culprit was OEFPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 02:41:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101877 for opro ; Mon, 16 Aug 99 02:41:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934765883:10:14700:16; Mon, 16 Aug 99 01:11:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128583; 16 Aug 99 1:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA22842 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:34:06 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA22834 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:33:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GAie-000IN0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:33:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 99 01:26:21 GMT Message-Id: <101861@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Hold on! The A4 format is not only for the computer. True A4 is a good size for binders, paper and printers, but you don't get many A4 size books. In fact just like the printed OPro manual books seem to come in all sorts of sizes. Think of the benefits for the makers of bookshelves if they standardised... Anyway the original OPro manual was not scaled when printed, John Wallace designed it real size. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 16 21:42:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101926 for opro ; Mon, 16 Aug 99 21:42:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934834470:20:15879:17; Mon, 16 Aug 99 20:14:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101105; 16 Aug 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01260 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:55:00 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01255 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:54:59 +0100 Received: from davbros.demon.co.uk ([158.152.143.174]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GSq9-000IDo-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:54:41 +0000 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:51:18 +0100 (BST) From: David Broster Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 15 Aug, Tim King wrote: > Ahh. Just as I thought. > > ;-) ok, it was a slightly teasing sort of post, although A4 *is* a big > pamphlet. I was on 1 of my little pet groans - ie why do people > produce work at a different size to what they intend it to be as hard > copy? It's just a general principle. *Always* work at 100%. No - not necessarily. The general principle is to use the method which best suits the job in hand. We produce a lot of camera ready art work for our printer to use. Final product is A5 and this is printed out from the computer at 720 dpi A4. Photographic reduction (eg by the printer or on a photocopier) then produces the A5 camera ready artwork at an effective resolution of approx. 1000 dpi if my maths is correct. As we use this artwork for a print run of brochures in excess of 80,000 distributed nationally, the higher effective resolution gives a much better indication of what is possible from a RISC PC. -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 01:53:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101967 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 01:53:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934841291:10:02580:17; Mon, 16 Aug 99 22:08:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002437; 16 Aug 99 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA01574 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:51:40 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA01569 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:51:38 +0100 Received: from fadec.demon.co.uk ([158.152.218.168]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GUez-0000uD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:51:23 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:24:49 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Bob Dawes Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Ted Lacey writes >I would have thought that if we are going to have to print our own copy and I >haven't got anything against that, the following criteria regading size should >apply. > >1. When printing pages then provision is made for a decent sized margin. > >2. The finished result should be of a size that will fit readily into a ring > binder of a size easily available from stationers. > >Ted Lacey > seconded -- Bob Dawes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 01:54:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101974 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 01:54:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934847012:10:26363:20; Mon, 16 Aug 99 23:43:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119033; 16 Aug 99 23:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:27:40 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA01808 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:27:36 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-47.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.113]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA20166 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:25:30 +1200 (NZST) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:28:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 16 Aug, David Broster wrote: > On Sun 15 Aug, Tim King wrote: > > > copy? It's just a general principle. *Always* work at 100%. > > We produce a lot of camera ready art work for our printer to use. > Final product is A5 and this is printed out from the > computer at 720 dpi A4. Photographic reduction (eg by the printer or on > a photocopier) then produces the A5 camera ready artwork at an effective > resolution of approx. 1000 dpi if my maths is correct. > > As we use this artwork for a print run of brochures in excess of 80,000 > distributed nationally, the higher effective resolution gives a much better > indication of what is possible from a RISC PC. > My point exactly. What you're doing is a work around to get past a failing or inadequacy of the soft/hardware. When you can print out directly at 1000dpi then you'll do that (@ A5). Why? Because it's 1 less reproductive process, and 2, because as jobs get more and more complex it's almost impossible not to trip up sooner or later. tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 14:33:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA101991 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 14:33:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934888370:10:04489:21; Tue, 17 Aug 99 11:12:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003971; 17 Aug 99 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA03130 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:53:49 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA03125 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:53:47 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-88.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.88]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA14534 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:53:22 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:38:47 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > One snag that has occured to me is this, if you have text in font (A) and > select bold, then another font is used (B). I wonder if it is always the > case in Impression (etc) that when font B is in use and bold is selected again > text returns to font A. > > In other words just because B is the bold variation of A, it isn't necessarily > true that A is the non-bold variation of B. That's true. I imagined, however, that this kind of thing would work as a path: if you arrive at font B via emboldening font A then less bold means removing the most recent 'more bold' in that path, reverting to font A. Of course if you start with font B and apply a 'less bold' (!) it may have no effect since you're at the root of your path. I think there's some advantage to the 'more' or 'less' over the 'on' or 'off' concept with respect to Cascading Style Definitions and being able to redefine the font relative to a base style... styles that are defined in terms of a parent style could retain their distinction by still being 'more bold' than the parent style when the parent style iteself has been told to be 'more bold'. As David Graddol points out, this kind of thing seems to have much less relevance to italicness which does not seem to come in degrees. Perhaps an extra feature called 'emphasis' could be created that can define things to have 'more' or 'less' emphasis than the style it is based on. This emphasis could be defined in terms of 'font size', 'boldness', 'colour', 'aspect' etc... and be very useful for that Cascading Style thing (er... if the Cascading Style thing ever appears in some software that is). Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 18:51:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102035 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 18:51:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934907449:10:26365:84; Tue, 17 Aug 99 16:30:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109518; 17 Aug 99 16:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03720 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:41:30 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03715 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:41:29 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GlMF-000Kuq-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:41:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:24:56 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Merging query To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all I can hear the groans now; ANOTHER printing query.... I want to print the same A5 card onto A4 (ie 2 to a page, side by side), and I have prepared a CSV file for this. The merging works Ok, but what is wrong with the setup below? All it does is print 1 on the right hand side of each page, then spits out a blank sheet, and continues like this... Setup: Printer Pairs Scaled at 98% (to make sure there is nothing lost), Aspect 100% Centred Sideways Thanks in advance -- Paul Hutton "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 22:52:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102065 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 22:52:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934925395:20:15201:18; Tue, 17 Aug 99 21:29:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124348; 17 Aug 99 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04317 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:00:11 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04312 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:00:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GqKY-0009OD-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:59:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 99 20:46:00 GMT Message-Id: <102043@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Merging query X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I want to print the same A5 card onto A4 (ie 2 to a page, side by side), and >I have prepared a CSV file for this. The merging works Ok, but what is >wrong with the setup below? All it does is print 1 on the right hand side >of each page, then spits out a blank sheet, and continues like this... The problem is you have a one page document. When you print it you get one page on one sheet of paper. A mail merge consists of printing the document N times, so N pieces of paper each with one page on. I think the technique is to set up a document with 2 pages, ensure that they'll print on one sheet (as was discussed here in the last few days, section start on left etc.). And then use the tricks described in the advanced mail merge document. Essentially you use fields and set up one field to step to the next record in the CSV file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 22:52:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102064 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 22:52:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934925390:10:24278:19; Tue, 17 Aug 99 21:29:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124833; 17 Aug 99 21:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04308 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:56:17 +0100 Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04303 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:56:15 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop7-61.access.ch [193.246.42.253]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id WAA21224 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:55:33 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:43:12 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 16 Aug, Bob Dawes wrote: > In message , Ted Lacey > writes > >I would have thought that if we are going to have to print our own copy and I > >haven't got anything against that, the following criteria regading size should > >apply. > > > >1. When printing pages then provision is made for a decent sized margin. But I do want normal sighted persons to be able to read the text without magnifying attraptions. > >2. The finished result should be of a size that will fit readily into a ring > > binder of a size easily available from stationers. After multiple testing I stick to 15,0 mm's for the inside margin, so that punching holes of binders remain within the margin. I am grateful for any comment on this size. (to me directly please!) JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 22:52:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102066 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 22:52:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934926271:20:23749:17; Tue, 17 Aug 99 21:44:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023589; 17 Aug 99 21:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04374 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:12:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA04369 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:12:43 +0100 Received: from (194.69.105.43) [194.69.105.43] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11GqWg-0001ki-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:12:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:10:40 +0100 Subject: Re: Fonts - bold, italic and big families Message-ID: <4933239af0bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <101670@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12f (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Brian O'Carroll wrote: [snip] > I think there's some advantage to the 'more' or 'less' over the > 'on' or 'off' concept with respect to Cascading Style Definitions > and being able to redefine the font relative to a base style... > styles that are defined in terms of a parent style could retain > their distinction by still being 'more bold' than the parent style > when the parent style iteself has been told to be 'more bold'. That's the best suggestion I've seen for handling fonts with multiple weights. I'm very much an amateur in the DTP field and few of my fonts have more than one or two weights, so it is not a major problem for me, but I can see the present arrangements must be very tiresome to professional users. BTW, its interesting that at last we two Brians have ended in the same thread, commenting on the same posting :-) Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 17 23:23:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102068 for opro ; Tue, 17 Aug 99 23:23:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934928310:10:23462:19; Tue, 17 Aug 99 22:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103163; 17 Aug 99 22:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA04533 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:48:38 +0100 Received: from out5.ibm.net (out5.ibm.net [165.87.194.243]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04528 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:48:33 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-42.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.42]) by out5.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA513 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:35:51 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <101814@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB04533 On Sun 15 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >It's not exactly difficult to parse a font name and then look for the > >next lighter/heavier/narrower/wider/whatever face for which the other > >parameters remain unchanged. Of course, that might not be what you > >want, although it seemed to work OK for me when I tinkered with it. But what if there's a new-fangled naming style that's unintelligable? > Part of the trouble for me is the background, we spent vast amounts of > time on the original system. And people would laugh when you explained > how it worked to them... Well maybe here's a chance for you to laugh at an idea :) Because I can't see how an algorithm can keep up with the invention of new names, an element of hard-wiring could be used: Select/click the Bold button for standard font families Menu/click the Bold button to bring up a pickerlist of the in-use font directory that could have a config option for:- Adjust/click to select a ready-configured option from the list. So select brings up one Bold and Adjust another Bold weight.=20 JW --=20 ---------------- RISCompan=EDa ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 18 01:12:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102076 for opro ; Wed, 18 Aug 99 01:12:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934931109:20:09085:134; Tue, 17 Aug 99 23:05:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102317; 17 Aug 99 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04776 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:35:22 +0100 Received: from mashie.force9.net (mashie.force9.net [195.166.128.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04767 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:35:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 21674 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 22:34:50 -0000 Received: from coors.free-online.net (212.56.108.80) by mashie.force9.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 22:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 5175 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 22:14:31 -0000 Received: from 261.hiper03.access.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.115.5) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 22:14:31 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:24:21 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: Merging query To: Ovation Pro Support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 17 Aug, P Hutton wrote: > Dear all > > I can hear the groans now; ANOTHER printing query.... > > I want to print the same A5 card onto A4 (ie 2 to a page, side by side), and > I have prepared a CSV file for this. The merging works Ok, but what is > wrong with the setup below? All it does is print 1 on the right hand side > of each page, then spits out a blank sheet, and continues like this... > > Setup: > Printer Pairs > Scaled at 98% (to make sure there is nothing lost), Aspect 100% Centred > Sideways > > Thanks in advance > Printers pairs is the problem - this is designed to produce masters for copying or litho printing. Instead try thumbnails 2x1 all the same Anthony -- ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 18 01:12:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102078 for opro ; Wed, 18 Aug 99 01:12:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 934931111:20:09085:157; Tue, 17 Aug 99 23:05:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009292; 17 Aug 99 23:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04774 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:35:21 +0100 Received: from cask.force9.net (cask.force9.net [195.166.128.29]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04764 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:35:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 30221 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 22:34:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO coors.free-online.net) (212.56.108.80) by cask.force9.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 22:34:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 5187 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 22:14:36 -0000 Received: from 261.hiper03.access.plus.net.uk (HELO hiltonls16.free-online.net) (212.56.115.5) by coors.free-online.net with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 22:14:36 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:12:38 +0100 (BST) From: Anthony Hilton Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAA04766 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id XAB04774 On Sun 15 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: >=20 > At present I foresee an inner margin of 15mm's and an outside margin > of=A09mm's. Using 5 different punching machines my experience is that t= he > punched hole remains within a 14mm's inner margin. So it should fit in > standard ring binders. > My preference would be for wider margins both sides - inner 25mm, outer 1= 5mm. Partly because a punched hole which comes to 14mm from the edge of the pa= per gives an effective margin of 1mm at the hole with 15mm margins. To allow for inkjet/bubblejet printers we need a minimum foot margin of 12-15mm. If you are planning to distribute an OPro document for us to print out, w= e can always each re-design it if we want - you having provided the words a= nd pictures and range of styles. One comment (from David?) that printers prefer A4 implies the finished product will be litho printed and distributed as the existing manual. The preference is because printing machines handle paper which is a multiple = of A4 in size. Imposition for an A4 (or A5) booklet is straightforward. Othe= r sizes may require more thought to print economically, and be more complex= to finish adding to the cost. Even an A4 booklet is one less fold from SRA2 = or SRA1 paper than A5 - so one less setting to make. Anthony --=20 ajh@hiltonls16.free-online.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 18 21:41:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102144 for opro ; Wed, 18 Aug 99 21:41:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935003077:20:20741:30; Wed, 18 Aug 99 19:04:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015153; 18 Aug 99 18:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA07235 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:22:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA07230 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:22:18 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.23) [62.188.134.23] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HALA-0003PK-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:21:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:29:02 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Printing illustrations separately Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R There was recently a thread on printing text and illustrations via separate passes through printers; for example the text (black) with a fast printer, then the colour illustrations added by a slower process. I have deleted the original correspondence and apologise if this solution was one of those described. I (re)discovered it a couple of days ago. The method works for illustrations which are Sprites or JPEGS, but not for Draw objects. If a Sprite, convert to JPEG and reload into the document. Select Misc=>Edit colours and make Black (the colour of your text) a Spot colour. Select each illustration in turn: Picture=>Modify picture and select Hide picture. [1] Select File=>Print In the Print setup dialogue box select Print setup and Separations. In the Separations dialogue box - select Colour separations, deselect Text, and in the Plates menu select Black from below the dotted line (spot black). Click on OK. Make sure Printers marks is not selected back in the Print setup dialogue and click on Print. The document - text only - will be printed. To print the illustrations: First select each Picture in turn and deselect Hide picture. Next go back to the Print setup dialogue box. Click on Separations, deselect spot black and then select any _one_ of the Process colours above the dotted line. Again make sure that Text and Printers marks are not selected. Load the pre-printed text sheets and print in the illustrations. Note that it may be necessary to change the alignment via the X and Y offset (Centre deselected) to ensure the illustrations and the text line up correctly. If, rather than selecting Hide picture, No pictures is selected in the Print setup dialogue, a thin black line is printed around each blank picture frame. If your document contains Draw objects, then a method which first hides pictures then second transforms text to white for the two printing processes is the solution. Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| www.argonet.co.uk/user/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 01:37:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102157 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 01:37:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935012862:20:26705:31; Wed, 18 Aug 99 21:47:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026627; 18 Aug 99 21:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07698 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:30:17 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA07693 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:30:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HDH2-0002Io-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:29:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 99 22:16:46 GMT Message-Id: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing illustrations separately X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The method... Thats an heroic effort. The logic behind it is convoluted. The key is the use of JPEG's, these can't be image processed, so they appear unaltered on all printing plates. That's why you have to use hide pictures on the spot plate, and why you can get the full images on one process plate. Bad news... In the next version of OPro I've fixed image processing for JPEG's. >If, rather than selecting Hide picture, No pictures is selected in the Print >setup dialogue, a thin black line is printed around each blank picture frame. Feature, not bug, oh yes. I'd suggest. (1) Define a spot colour. (2) Set bodytext to use that spot colour. (3) As in the above method, to print the text use the separations dialogue box. (4) When you want to print the picture pass, edit the colour defintion for your spot, and make it transparent, then just do a normal print. The one catch with this is that it won't work for anything with JPEG's in, until the next version of OPro. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 01:37:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102163 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 01:37:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935016907:20:04853:17; Wed, 18 Aug 99 22:55:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004680; 18 Aug 99 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07892 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:30:10 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07887 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:30:09 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HED0-0006ov-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:29:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:59:46 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Thesuarus Macro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have this Macro running now. The only trouble is that it runs a new copy of !Thesaurus each time. Any way to avoid this? -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 01:38:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102164 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 01:38:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935016922:20:05021:16; Wed, 18 Aug 99 22:55:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117721; 18 Aug 99 22:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA07899 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:30:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA07894 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:30:12 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HED2-0006ov-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:29:29 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:53:17 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Thesaurus Macro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts, Bridgnorth. 01746 767319 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does anyone have the definitive working button Macro for running the Theasurus when clicking on the Thesaurus button? I have read all the relevant bits and pieces on this macro but I am still 'getting filename .!run not recognised' While I'm here can I recommend a method of searching the archives of this list. Given that you have them downloaded to your hard disc place them all in the same directory still in their compressed format. Then use a program called !Filefind (shareware) which I think is on the Kosovo CD to search all the files for a string, you just have to make sure you have SparkFS or Sparkplug loaded and it will search the contents of the files. Once it finds any file containing your string it lists it and you can click on it and it will load the text file into an editor so that you can then use the search facilities of the text editior. This saves a lot of time having to open Spark files and then searching everyone to find the particular string. I suppose you could join all the archives together and then just search the one file instead. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 13:41:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102186 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 13:41:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935028113:10:27523:33; Thu, 19 Aug 99 02:01:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110696; 19 Aug 99 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA08417 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:39:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08412 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:39:15 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HH9y-000LVx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:38:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 01:42:42 GMT Message-Id: <102170@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Thesuarus Macro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have read all the relevant bits and pieces on this macro >but I am still 'getting filename .!run not recognised' Sounds like !Thesaurus has not been 'seen'. >While I'm here can I recommend a method of searching >the archives of this list. >called !Filefind (shareware) which I think is on the Kosovo >CD to search all the files for a string, you just have >to make sure you have SparkFS or Sparkplug loaded and I would guess it has to be SparkFS. So that the archives appear as image files and hence part of the filing system. They're Zips so ArcFS won't do. >I have this Macro running now. The only trouble is >that it runs a new copy of !Thesaurus each time. I think this has been covered, you'd set a system variable in the !Thesarus !Run file to show if it is running, and unset it after the current last line in the !Run. Problems with some old versions of RISC OS... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 18:10:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102217 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 18:10:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935074297:10:22610:36; Thu, 19 Aug 99 14:51:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021971; 19 Aug 99 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09467 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:11:50 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09462 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:11:49 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user137.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.69]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06285 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:10:58 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:06:10 +0100 Subject: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Before I set about creating one, and possibly re-inventing a wheel... Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? If no... bother. If yes... would you mind sharing it? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 18:10:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102223 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 18:10:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935075945:20:17446:77; Thu, 19 Aug 99 15:19:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018129; 19 Aug 99 15:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA10031 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:36:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA10026 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:36:16 +0100 Received: from (62.188.144.232) [62.188.144.232] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HTHo-0004n4-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:35:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:31:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <493411c258charlton@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: [snip] > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? Granted its not quite the smae thing but if you wish to select colours and verify they comply or select in Netsafe mode you might consider trying Rosemary Miskins program ColDef2. You'll find it at www.argonet.co.uk/users/miskin/ Hope this helps -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 19:14:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102239 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 19:14:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935083181:10:09778:18; Thu, 19 Aug 99 17:19:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105227; 19 Aug 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA09849 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:44:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA09844 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:44:11 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.81.155] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HSTP-0003yA-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:43:19 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:43:43 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <6cd6123449%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> you wrote: > Before I set about creating one, and possibly re-inventing a wheel... > > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? > > If no... bother. > > If yes... would you mind sharing it? I wouldn't mind at all. One is automatically installed when you install HTMLPro. It will be available from our web site soon, along with other resources, but if any one else who has a copy of HTMLPro wishes to distribute the file they can (can't access mine at the moment) benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 21:29:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102252 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 21:29:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935089015:10:04340:46; Thu, 19 Aug 99 18:56:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119212; 19 Aug 99 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA10160 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:30:08 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10155 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:30:07 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JEYKG06DX800CJ00@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:36:16 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:31:16 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart In-reply-to: <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> Marten Gallagher wrote: > Before I set about creating one, and possibly re-inventing a wheel... > > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? > > If no... bother. > > If yes... would you mind sharing it? > I've got one, made in HTML of course, i'll email it -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 21:29:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102254 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 21:29:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3] ident=majordomo) by tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HXSp-0007nS-0M; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:03:03 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA10656 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:20:36 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10651 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:20:34 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HWmr-000O0L-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:19:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:17:51 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Reinstalling To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro dear all Can anyone remind me of the least painful way of reinstalling OPro (version 2.51)? I have 16 computers at school and I am changing the names of the Hard Drives. I am sure there is a way of not having to use all the discs- not even the minimum 2 or 3. I know I have to save out my !macro file to keep the set up for future use, but what is the rest of it? The thought of 48 floppy disc in/outs does my head in. Many thanks -- Paul Hutton "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 21:29:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102257 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 21:29:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3] ident=majordomo) by tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HY5r-0000PQ-0M; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:43:23 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA10796 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:23:52 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10791 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:23:51 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user135.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.67]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA15295 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:22:50 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:21:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <49342c4627marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 19 Aug, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> > Marten Gallagher wrote: > > Before I set about creating one, and possibly re-inventing a wheel... > > > > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? > > > > If no... bother. > > > > If yes... would you mind sharing it? > > > I've got one, made in HTML of course, i'll email it Thanks that's really useful. I did really mean a chart 'file'(?) that is imported to OPro. Has any got HTMLPro and the time to send me a version as per Levens software message? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 22:50:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102266 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 22:50:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3] ident=majordomo) by tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ha2c-0002hm-0M; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:48:10 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11178 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:31:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11173 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:31:28 +0100 Received: from userat93.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.137.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HZlZ-00057d-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:30:33 +0100 Message-ID: <37BC779F.27CDE215@argonet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:31:11 +0100 From: Andy Piper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> <49342c4627ma Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > > On 19 Aug, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > In message <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> > > Marten Gallagher wrote: > > > > Before I set about creating one, and possibly re-inventing a wheel... > > > > > > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? > > > > > > If no... bother. > > > > > > If yes... would you mind sharing it? > > > > > I've got one, made in HTML of course, i'll email it > > Thanks that's really useful. > > I did really mean a chart 'file'(?) that is imported to OPro. > > Has any got HTMLPro and the time to send me a version as per Levens > software message? Of course, you're all missing the fact that there is also a version of my own on my Argo website... the site hasn't been updated for over a year due to Argo's lack of cooperation with my requests for FTP access, but the colour chart(s) are on http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/andyp/files.html and downloadable directly as http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/andyp/files/opct.zip - the Netscape 216 named colours are the same as the browser-safe colours you're requesting, IIRC. Andy -- Andy Piper andyp@argonet.co.uk Fareham, Hampshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 19 23:35:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102269 for opro ; Thu, 19 Aug 99 23:35:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3] ident=majordomo) by tele-punt-22.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HacO-0002ak-0M; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:25:08 +0000 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11285 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:10:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11280 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:10:35 +0100 Received: from userat93.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.137.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HaNN-0006OS-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:09:38 +0100 Message-ID: <37BC80C7.2431E43B@argonet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:10:15 +0100 From: Andy Piper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> <49342c4627ma Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Andy Piper wrote: [snip] - the > Netscape 216 named colours are the same as the browser-safe > colours you're requesting, IIRC. Doh! Serves me right for not checking these things before posting... my colour chart only includes 129 Netscape named colours, not all 216 browser-safe ones. My apologies! Andy -- Andy Piper andyp@argonet.co.uk Fareham, Hampshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 20 01:42:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102270 for opro ; Fri, 20 Aug 99 01:42:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935105883:10:27764:17; Thu, 19 Aug 99 23:38:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027729; 19 Aug 99 23:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA11547 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:20:00 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11542 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:19:59 +0100 Received: from beebware.demon.co.uk ([194.222.132.205] helo=beebwarebeebware.com) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HbSY-0004Ac-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:19:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:37:38 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: Reinstalling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199908192132.WAA11187@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 19 Aug, P Hutton wrote: [snip] > Can anyone remind me of the least painful way of reinstalling OPro (version > 2.51)? > > I have 16 computers at school and I am changing the names of the Hard > Drives. I am sure there is a way of not having to use all the discs- not > even the minimum 2 or 3. > > I know I have to save out my !macro file to keep the set up for future use, > but what is the rest of it? The thought of 48 floppy disc in/outs does my > head in. If you are just changing the name of the hard drive (ie using the icon bar menu 'Name disc' option), I doubt that it needs to be re-installed at all. I suspect the most it OvPro would need doing would be dragging the installed copy back to Installer (program disc 1) just to reinitialise it. However, many programs don't like your hard drive being renamed (they store the full path name [adfs::harddisc4.$.!boot.choices] instead of the 'relative' path [Choices:Program or ^.Options] ), so in that case you problem need a program to search through your hard drive and change occurances of your old hard drive name to your new one. I know there are quite a few programs to do this, but unforently I don't appear to have any on my HD, so I can't name them... Richy C. -- ..sig tries strange things in Zap and prevents keyboad input... Odd... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 20 13:44:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102306 for opro ; Fri, 20 Aug 99 13:44:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935138095:10:15202:19; Fri, 20 Aug 99 08:34:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014340; 20 Aug 99 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12415 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:16:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA12410 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:16:35 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.145) [193.149.71.145] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Hjpl-0004s1-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:15:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:58:49 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Printing illustrations separately Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 18 Aug 1999 (22:16:46), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > Thats an heroic effort. [snip] > Bad news... In the next version of OPro I've fixed image processing > for JPEG's. Oh no ! >8-/ My one chance of fame and immortality dashed in a single stroke! 8-| Regards Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| www.argonet.co.uk/user/roger.foden/ / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//_______ sarpcsarpcsarpcsarpcsarpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 20 13:45:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102312 for opro ; Fri, 20 Aug 99 13:44:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935144226:10:15493:49; Fri, 20 Aug 99 10:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015735; 20 Aug 99 10:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA12645 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:38:41 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12640 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:38:39 +0100 Received: from manr-011 (manr-011.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.141]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id KAA15187 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:37:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:06:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <493472482ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> In-Reply-To: <493411c258charlton@argonet.co.uk> References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> <493411c258charlton@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12i (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Marten Gallagher wrote: > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? I've got one that I converted from Lionel Smith's Artworks chart. If anyone wants a copy of it then drop me an email and I'll send it to you. Alternatively, if someone wants to put it on a website somewhere then just holler. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 20 19:41:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102332 for opro ; Fri, 20 Aug 99 19:41:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935172468:10:12712:1328; Fri, 20 Aug 99 18:07:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013531; 20 Aug 99 17:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13732 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:42:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13727 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:42:36 +0100 Received: from (194.69.105.19) [194.69.105.19] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HsfQ-0005iW-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:41:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:44:03 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Reinstalling Message-ID: <49343951BD%mik@xemik.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro 2.03 X-Editor: Zap 1.42, using ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message P Hutton wrote: > I have 16 computers at school and I am changing the names of the Hard > Drives. There is a utility that can search thro' a drive & replace drive names in !boot/!run files. Unfortunately, I can't remember what it's called, but I'm sure someone here will know of it. -- Don't worry, I forgot your name, too! __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:30:59 +0100 Received: from p109.nas3.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.109] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11Hpf1-0001lc-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:28:51 +0100 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:28:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:29:55 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have a perplexing problem which is causing much headache. If I set up a master page for a chapter to contain a blank text frame I can, as expected, insert text into it on the actual page. However, if I make any change to the master page subsequently (unrelated to the frame in question), then when the text reflows all the text inserted into these boxes disappears. Saving as DDL does not cause the text to reappear - it has to be manually reinserted on each page of the document. Is this a known bug (version 2.51?) or am I doing something stupid? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 01:59:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102363 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 01:59:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935189292:10:19475:50; Fri, 20 Aug 99 22:48:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119784; 20 Aug 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14194 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:31:58 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14189 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:31:56 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HvJI-0008ST-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:30:48 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 99 21:24:35 GMT Message-Id: <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >if I set up a master page for a chapter to contain a blank >text frame I can, as expected, insert text into it on the >actual page. However, if I make any change to the master page >subsequently (unrelated to the frame in question), then when the >text reflows all the text inserted into these boxes disappears. Well in general the above is not the case. I just tried it. So it must depend on something specific about what you're doing. Clearly there are situations in which changes to the master pages should force changes to contents of master frames in the document, and that could involve removing the text. The case where that is correct might point to a bug, if the master page frames have text in them, then the corresponding document master frames should have the same text in them. So I wonder if you ever had text in the frame on the master page? A workaround might be to create/replace the master page frame with a new one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 01:59:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102366 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 01:59:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935190116:20:04548:3009; Fri, 20 Aug 99 23:01:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2011438; 20 Aug 99 21:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14073 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:44:48 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14068 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:44:46 +0100 From: Received: from modem-108.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.236] helo=beeston12) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HuZf-0007Q3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:43:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:24:21 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Problem in Booklet printing Message-ID: <7c5db03449%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, Using Ovation pro with the !Imposit applet I find that when I print a series of pages using the Pamphlet format I have no trouble, but if I use Booklet the system reports "Page not found!" if the total number of pages in the file is less than an exact multiple of 4. For example, if I have a document which is 10 pages long, and I am using Booklet to produce 4 pages per A4 sheet, the final sheet, containing pages 9 and 10 will not print until I have added 2 bogus pages. I may be wrong, but my impression was that using Pamphlet, with 2 pages per A4 sheet, this sort of situation caused no trouble. Is there a bug here? I can't see any guidance on this point. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 01:59:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102369 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 01:59:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935192256:20:04505:4016; Fri, 20 Aug 99 23:37:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2003144; 20 Aug 99 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13648 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:24:36 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13643 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:24:34 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.139) [193.149.72.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11HsNz-0005Hs-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:23:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:22:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <49348f44c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <102154@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4933feeb34marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > Before I set about creating one, and possibly re-inventing a wheel... > Has anyone created a browser-safe (216) colour chart? I mentioned one on the PD list recently that I had created using ArtWorks if this is of any interest. There were problems with importing the AW colour table of this file into PD, hence the mention of it there. I had intended to try this out with OP. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+3 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 01:59:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102372 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 01:59:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935194468:20:09864:49; Sat, 21 Aug 99 00:14:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022744; 20 Aug 99 22:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA14431 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:55:32 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14426 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:55:30 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 11HwcA-0000Si-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:54:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 22:47:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I agree with Tonnie Demarteau on the issue of font selection. 'More or less Bold' algorithms will not deliver a more foolproof system either. Forget about the buttons, let the user decide whether he thinks ugly.thin is bolder than ugly.black or black.ugly or not. It isn't worth the trouble to make categories where the naming of fonts isn't helping. Not the first time I'm writing this opinion and I know David's answer :-( Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 13:49:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102375 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 13:49:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935202347:10:28437:16; Sat, 21 Aug 99 02:25:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117153; 21 Aug 99 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA15111 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:09:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA15106 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:09:44 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11I0a9-0003hO-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:08:33 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 02:04:15 GMT Message-Id: <102373@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem in Booklet printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >of pages using the Pamphlet format I have no trouble, but if I use Booklet >the system reports "Page not found!" if the total number of pages in the >file is less than an exact multiple of 4. For example, if I have a document >which is 10 pages long, and I am using Booklet to produce 4 pages per A4 >sheet, the final sheet, containing pages 9 and 10 will not print until I >have added 2 bogus pages. Well I just set up a 10 page document and printed it using booklet mode with no problems. So again it has to be something more specific. In fact booklet mode tries to be smart, if you have a 10 page document it attempts to double up the pages on the last sheet, so quite a bit of testing went on with non-multiples of 4 page documents. The error "Page not found" sounds to me, much more likely to be caused by an attempt to enter a non-existant page number in the range icon in the print dialogue box. >I may be wrong, but my impression was that using Pamphlet, with 2 pages per >A4 sheet, this sort of situation caused no trouble. It doesn't. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 13:49:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102379 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 13:49:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935223944:10:21673:20; Sat, 21 Aug 99 08:25:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122508; 21 Aug 99 8:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA15664 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:11:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15659 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:11:35 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11I6EG-0009Lb-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:10:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:00:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: <4934f58d4ctony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12j (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 20 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > >if I set up a master page for a chapter to contain a blank text frame I > >can, as expected, insert text into it on the actual page. However, if I > >make any change to the master page subsequently (unrelated to the frame > >in question), then when the text reflows all the text inserted into > >these boxes disappears. > Well in general the above is not the case. I just tried it. So it must > depend on something specific about what you're doing. > Clearly there are situations in which changes to the master pages should > force changes to contents of master frames in the document, and that > could involve removing the text. > The case where that is correct might point to a bug, if the master page > frames have text in them, then the corresponding document master frames > should have the same text in them. > So I wonder if you ever had text in the frame on the master page? A > workaround might be to create/replace the master page frame with a new > one. I have exactly the same problem - blank frame on the master page, text entered in that frame on the actual page, change the master page - not the frame that holds the text on the actual page but another frame - text disappears. I think it has happened since upgrading to 1.51/2 as I don't recall it happening until recently. -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 13:49:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102388 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 13:49:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935233485:10:00855:27; Sat, 21 Aug 99 11:04:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000812; 21 Aug 99 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA16019 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:37:05 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16014 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:37:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 25172 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 10:35:48 -0000 Received: from user1202.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.202) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 10:35:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:22:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: <4935028f16rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4934f58d4ctony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> References: <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk> <4934f58d4ctony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12j (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4934f58d4ctony@necpwa.demon.co.uk>, Tony Simons wrote: > I have exactly the same problem - blank frame on the master page, text > entered in that frame on the actual page, change the master page - not > the frame that holds the text on the actual page but another frame - > text disappears. I think it has happened since upgrading to 1.51/2 as I > don't recall it happening until recently. This has happened to me from very early versions of OP. It's not a redraw problem as it doesn't reappear when I do F12 . IIRC the text is still there if you save out as a DDF, but won't reappear in the frame. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 14:47:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102412 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 14:47:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935243054:20:22443:23; Sat, 21 Aug 99 13:44:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022240; 21 Aug 99 13:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA16384 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:28:53 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16379 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:28:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IBBG-000Chw-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:27:34 +0000 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 99 14:20:00 GMT Message-Id: <102405@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I have exactly the same problem - blank frame on the master page, text > entered in that frame on the actual page, change the master page - not > the frame that holds the text on the actual page but another frame - > text disappears. I think it has happened since upgrading to 1.51/2 as I > don't recall it happening until recently. My position is that it is quite likely to be a bug, the potential for things going wrong exists because OPro has to decide between two cases, in one of which the above behaviour is correct. All that has to happen is for it to get the situation wrong. However the problem is what is the specific thing which sets off this bad behaviour. Maybe somoneone could mail me an example. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 21 16:37:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102417 for opro ; Sat, 21 Aug 99 16:37:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935244883:20:07590:17; Sat, 21 Aug 99 14:14:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007665; 21 Aug 99 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA16492 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:01:11 +0100 Received: from mserv1b.u-net.net (mserv1b.u-net.net [195.102.240.137]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16487 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:01:09 +0100 Received: from p125.nas3.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.125] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1b.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #61) id 11IBfU-0000fD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:58:49 +0100 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:45:37 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:47:22 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: <6a59153549%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4934f58d4ctony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Tony Simons wrote: > On 20 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > > >if I set up a master page for a chapter to contain a blank text frame I > > >can, as expected, insert text into it on the actual page. However, if I > > >make any change to the master page subsequently (unrelated to the frame > > >in question), then when the text reflows all the text inserted into > > >these boxes disappears. > > > Well in general the above is not the case. I just tried it. So it must > > depend on something specific about what you're doing. I did just try some 'test' pages and I could not reproduce the problem - so, as you say, it must be something more specific. But I have been caught out now on several long documents (with multiple chapters) where it has taken an hour or so to recover from the lost text. I did also try creating a two chapter, mirror-image master pages and then changing the masterpages, and this did cause text to disappear in chapter 2 when I reflowed. In this instance it came back when I saved out as DDL and reloaded, but it possibly suggests that there is a combination of circumstances in which text can be lost. > > I have exactly the same problem - blank frame on the master page, text > entered in that frame on the actual page, change the master page - not the > frame that holds the text on the actual page but another frame - text > disappears. I think it has happened since upgrading to 1.51/2 as I don't > recall it happening until recently. Thanks, this suggests that I am not completely imagining it! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:17:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102429 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:17:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935255164:20:18769:25; Sat, 21 Aug 99 17:06:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018754; 21 Aug 99 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16896 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:37:22 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16891 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:37:21 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11IE7d-000AlN-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:36:02 +0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:48:08 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <493472482ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 20 Aug, Dave wrote: [snip] > I've got one that I converted from Lionel Smith's Artworks chart. If anyone > wants a copy of it then drop me an email and I'll send it to you. > Alternatively, if someone wants to put it on a website somewhere then just > holler. Yes please, if that's not a bother. regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:20:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102455 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:20:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935298671:10:04668:16; Sun, 22 Aug 99 05:11:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109832; 22 Aug 99 5:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA18115 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 05:54:38 +0100 Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA18110 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 05:54:34 +0100 Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-57.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.123]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA22901 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:51:13 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:03:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: Problem in Booklet printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <102373@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.53] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 21 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > > >of pages using the Pamphlet format I have no trouble, but if I use Booklet > >the system reports "Page not found!" if the total number of pages in the > >file is less than an exact multiple of 4. For example, if I have a document > >which is 10 pages long, and I am using Booklet to produce 4 pages per A4 > >sheet, the final sheet, containing pages 9 and 10 will not print until I > >have added 2 bogus pages. > > Well I just set up a 10 page document and printed it using booklet > mode with no problems. So again it has to be something more specific. > >From memory, this has only occurred with me when there's been a reformat or some minor alteration (like taking out the 1st page?) just prior to printing, therefore reducing the number of pages. Maybe even while the print window was open? Anyway, the number of pages in the print window wasn't tallying with the actual number in the doc. Hence: Page not found. Trivial to fix - once sighted ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:22:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102468 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:22:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935342297:10:29480:17; Sun, 22 Aug 99 17:18:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129062; 22 Aug 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19284 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:03:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19279 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:03:45 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.137) [62.188.137.137] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Ib0V-0001Au-00; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:02:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: Ovation News Group Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:55:47 +0100 Subject: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN Message-ID: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I seem to have 'lost' this font which is used in an old document which I need to reprint. If it is PD I would be most grateful if someone would kindly email it to me. To save you looking it is not on: Floppies 1-5 of 100 fonts for Risc OS 3 iSV Products 1994 iSV Products Professional Typography expert 2100 CD EFF 4000 free PD fonts CD Skyfall Fonts 1a - 10b (floppies) I have no idea where I got it from! Many thanks, Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:22:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102471 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:22:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935348978:10:25270:75; Sun, 22 Aug 99 19:09:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025232; 22 Aug 99 19:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19580 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:15:19 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19575 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:15:17 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.227]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA8CB for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:13:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: Ovation News Group Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:14:20 +0100 Subject: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN Message-ID: <4935b71ed0delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> References: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12e (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > I seem to have 'lost' this font which is used in an old document which I >need to reprint. Clauch is the same as Hobo (the original name, as far as I know). If you can't find that one, then I can mail it to you. You only have to rename it, then. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:22:52 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102472 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:22:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935349636:10:01189:16; Sun, 22 Aug 99 19:20:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115915; 22 Aug 99 19:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19519 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:13:32 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19514 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:13:30 +0100 Received: from (62.188.137.31) [62.188.137.31] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Ic61-0002VF-00; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:11:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: Ovation News Group Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:10:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN Message-ID: <4935b13af3jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> References: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12i (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk>, J.M. Gray wrote: > I seem to have 'lost' this font which is used in an old document which I > need to reprint. > If it is PD I would be most grateful if someone would kindly email it to > me. > To save you looking it is not on: > > Floppies 1-5 of 100 fonts for Risc OS 3 iSV Products 1994 > iSV Products Professional Typography expert 2100 CD > EFF 4000 free PD fonts CD > Skyfall Fonts 1a - 10b (floppies) > I have no idea where I got it from! > Many thanks, A copy has been emailed to me. Thanks! Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:22:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102474 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:22:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935350449:10:08259:17; Sun, 22 Aug 99 19:34:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105894; 22 Aug 99 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19715 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:40:52 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19710 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:40:50 +0100 Received: from userad71.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [62.188.131.114] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11IcWT-0002v3-00; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:39:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:37:57 +0100 Subject: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN Message-ID: <4935b3ca24rmking@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12k (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have already sent a copy of this font to Jeremy. Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:23:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102483 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:23:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935353285:10:00727:52; Sun, 22 Aug 99 20:21:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119828; 22 Aug 99 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19830 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:15:08 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19824 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:15:03 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user136.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.68]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28361 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:13:27 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:09:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Message-ID: <4935b6ac1cmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <493472482ddave@tfalbbfreeuk.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12j (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 20 Aug, Rosalind M. Share wrote: > On Fri 20 Aug, Dave wrote: [snip] > > I've got one that I converted from Lionel Smith's Artworks chart. If > > anyone wants a copy of it then drop me an email and I'll send it to > > you. Alternatively, if someone wants to put it on a website somewhere > > then just holler. Moi aussi, svp Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:25:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102506 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:25:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935418550:10:06969:16; Mon, 23 Aug 99 14:29:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121651; 23 Aug 99 14:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA22129 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:47:03 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22124 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:47:01 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11IuQx-000GiA-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:46:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:00:37 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames References: <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <102347@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >>if I set up a master page for a chapter to contain a blank >>text frame I can, as expected, insert text into it on the >>actual page. However, if I make any change to the master page >>subsequently (unrelated to the frame in question), then when the >>text reflows all the text inserted into these boxes disappears. > >Well in general the above is not the case. I just tried it. >So it must depend on something specific about what you're >doing. > I've seen similar effects. The problem is that I've never managed to associate it with a particular set of conditions or actions to allow me to submit a meaningful bug report. There does seem to be an infelicity in this area. >Clearly there are situations in which changes to the master pages should >force changes to contents of master frames in the document, and that could >involve removing the text. > >The case where that is correct might point to a bug, if the master page >frames have text in them, then the corresponding document master frames >should have the same text in them. > >So I wonder if you ever had text in the frame on the master page? A >workaround might be to create/replace the master page frame with a new one. > Saving to DDF and reloading seems to overcome the problem. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:25:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102507 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:25:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935426100:20:18871:18; Mon, 23 Aug 99 16:35:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122517; 23 Aug 99 16:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22501 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:18:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA22496 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:18:08 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.73.232] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11IwnF-0005aR-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:17:57 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:18:09 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Colour Tables Message-ID: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro More news for all you Ovation followers. The new Levens Software website will be up and running on Tuesday 24th August, at 16:00 (BST). It will include details of our latest Ovation applets, such as the updated Automated Lists, Smart Calender, Matched Pairs and our new Last Documents list. It will also include all of our Ovation Pro import filters (the HTML filter is being improved currently). Our new (free) software OvnColArt will also be found on this website. It is a colour convertor for Artworks and Ovation, allowing conversion of colour tables between the two. On the same page is also our 140 Named Browser Colour Table and our 216 Netscape Colour Chart. Please feel free to have a look at it when its up and running as it has been entirely created with HTMLPro and OvationPro. Demonstration versions of HTMLPro ================================= If anybody wishes to have a copy of HTMLPro on a 30 day trial (UK only, sorry) please email software@levens.co.uk and a copy will be sent out straight away. After 30 days an invoice will be issued for 29.95UKP inc VAT and P&P unless the software is returned in suitable condition. cheers benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:26:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102521 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:26:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935436368:10:09661:25; Mon, 23 Aug 99 19:26:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009529; 23 Aug 99 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA22958 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:10:44 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22953 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:10:33 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-26.access.ch [195.112.69.154]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA16643 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:10:16 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:15:05 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN To: Ovation News Group In-Reply-To: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 22 Aug, J.M. Gray wrote: > I seem to have 'lost' this font which is used in an old document which > I need to reprint. Years ago this font was on a floppy with other fonts sold by EFF. The floppy disc number was EFF font 610. Probably not copyrighted. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 23 22:26:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102522 for opro ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 22:26:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935435592:20:25144:20; Mon, 23 Aug 99 19:13:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111699; 23 Aug 99 19:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA22870 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:53:40 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22865 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:53:38 +0100 Received: from (193.149.81.201) [193.149.81.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11IzDi-0001Eg-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:53:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "charles.hope" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:14:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN Message-ID: <4935b72982charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> References: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 22 Aug, J.M. Gray wrote: > I seem to have 'lost' this font which is used in an old document which I > need to reprint. > If it is PD I would be most grateful if someone would kindly email it to > me. > To save you looking it is not on: > > Floppies 1-5 of 100 fonts for Risc OS 3 iSV Products 1994 > iSV Products Professional Typography expert 2100 CD > EFF 4000 free PD fonts CD > Skyfall Fonts 1a - 10b (floppies) > I have no idea where I got it from! It's an EFF one. -- >From KT24 - south west of London & east of Guildford. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 24 14:19:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102579 for opro ; Tue, 24 Aug 99 14:19:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935485192:20:05927:17; Tue, 24 Aug 99 08:59:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005445; 24 Aug 99 8:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA24241 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:21:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24236 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:21:35 +0100 Received: from (62.188.135.82) [62.188.135.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11JBpU-0003Wx-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:21:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:20:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Lost font - CLAUCH.OPEN Message-ID: <493682e8aajmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4935b72982charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> References: <4935aa6f64jmgray@argonet.co.uk> <4935b72982charles.hope@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12k (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4935b72982charles.hope@argonet.co.uk>, charles.hope wrote: > On 22 Aug, J.M. Gray wrote: > > I seem to have 'lost' this font which is used in an old document which I > > need to reprint. > > If it is PD I would be most grateful if someone would kindly email it to > > me. > > To save you looking it is not on: > > > > Floppies 1-5 of 100 fonts for Risc OS 3 iSV Products 1994 > > iSV Products Professional Typography expert 2100 CD > > EFF 4000 free PD fonts CD > > Skyfall Fonts 1a - 10b (floppies) > > I have no idea where I got it from! > It's an EFF one. Yes, I find it is on EFF1 Professional Typography 1997 which I find I have after all (sorry Roger!) Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 24 19:38:20 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102632 for opro ; Tue, 24 Aug 99 19:38:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935519171:20:04321:26; Tue, 24 Aug 99 18:26:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111813; 24 Aug 99 18:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA25240 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:06:58 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA25235 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:06:57 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-123.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.123]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA10118 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:06:25 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 23:54:07 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: <2068473549%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102405@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <102405@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > However the problem is what is the specific thing which sets off > this bad behaviour. > > Maybe somoneone could mail me an example. I have experienced the text _appearing_ to vanish after editing a master page so that the text ha to be re-flowed (eg: changing the size of a frame that contains text in the document). I have experienced a similar yet different problem sometimes with complicated clipping frames: ones with irregular boundaries or that are overlapped by irregular reppelling frames. In this case a situation arises such that the text fails to update while being edited - I can type nes text and it does not appear although the carat moves the (correct?) distance to the right. There difference between these two situations: With the former master page problem it takes alot of juggling to get the text to re-appear. Re-editing a frame sometimes does it, or inserting then deleting blank pages or chapters. In the latter case just redisplaying (page-up then page-down) shows the correct text, but the problem persists for furher editing. Are these problems related? Is it helpful to know? Good luck. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 24 21:54:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102645 for opro ; Tue, 24 Aug 99 21:54:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935526422:20:11628:15; Tue, 24 Aug 99 20:27:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123686; 24 Aug 99 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA25521 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:10:12 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25516 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:10:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JMt7-000PB1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:09:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 99 19:50:13 GMT Message-Id: <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have experienced the text _appearing_ to vanish after editing a master page >so that the text ha to be re-flowed (eg: changing the size of a frame that >contains text in the document). >I have experienced a similar yet different problem sometimes with complicated >clipping frames: ones with irregular boundaries or that are overlapped by >Are these problems related? Is it helpful to know? I would say these problems are different to what we were discussing. Although its useful to point out that there are other possibilities for whats going wrong. To me it seemed that OPro was quite deliberately removing the text, that should mean that the text is gone from a DDL save of the file, and won't come back if you reload the DDL. That is the definition of one possible bug. If the text comes back or is in the DDL, then you have a different bug, and it won't be related. It is important to know. Because a fix for one bug won't be a fix for the other. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 24 22:50:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102652 for opro ; Tue, 24 Aug 99 22:50:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935531393:20:08286:18; Tue, 24 Aug 99 21:49:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008263; 24 Aug 99 21:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25820 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:31:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25815 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:31:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.84) [193.149.74.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11JOA6-0002bB-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:31:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:33:21 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Browser safe colour chart Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I would like one please but why not post it to a.a.binaries? -- Richard __ __ __ __ __ _____________________________________________ |__||_ |_ |/ |\ ||_ |_ / |__||__ |__ |\ | \||__ |__ /...Ceilidh/Barndance music for all occasions ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 24 22:50:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102656 for opro ; Tue, 24 Aug 99 22:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935531116:10:07444:27; Tue, 24 Aug 99 21:45:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126892; 24 Aug 99 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25716 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:23:18 +0100 Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25711 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:23:16 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.235.67]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990824212310.EWH13675.mta1-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:23:10 +0100 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:23:26 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA25712 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB25716 Status: R On Tue 17 Aug, Anthony Hilton wrote: > On Sun 15 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > >=20 > > At present I foresee an inner margin of 15mm's and an outside margin > > of=A09mm's. Using 5 different punching machines my experience is that= the > > punched hole remains within a 14mm's inner margin. So it should fit i= n > > standard ring binders. > > I assume that a page of this size, with such small margins, will be set out in two columns. This will still need to be set in about 12pt type to keep the words per column down to a reasonably low number. Long lines make for very difficult reading. Will some of the ways of achieving things which have been raised in this mailing list, be incorporated in the manual? I mean such things as the overlaying of two styles to get leaders to some tabs and not others on the same line. Best wishes with this project. Bernard. --=20 Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 14:12:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102697 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 14:11:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935546741:10:10980:15; Wed, 25 Aug 99 02:05:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010794; 25 Aug 99 2:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA26559 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:49:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26554 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:49:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JSAz-000MIk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:48:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 99 02:36:11 GMT Message-Id: <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Will some of the ways of achieving things which have been raised in this >mailing list, be incorporated in the manual? I mean such things as the >overlaying of two styles to get leaders to some tabs and not others on >the same line. I guess this comes under the realistic aims clause. It would be nice to add lots of new material but for now that is too ambitious. To some extent hints and tips could make up another publication. There already is a FAQ on the http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ site and I guess scope to add a lot to it. You've not picked a good example, because I have it in mind to support different leaders for each tab, which will do away with the need for all the messing about. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 14:12:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102699 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 14:12:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935572969:20:27704:20; Wed, 25 Aug 99 09:22:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118145; 25 Aug 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA27174 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:48:41 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27169 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:48:39 +0100 Received: from [195.99.53.252] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11JYiz-0002fY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:48:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:22:52 +0100 Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual Message-ID: <493706fc26darprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > You've not picked a good example, because I have it in mind to > support different leaders for each tab, which will do away with > the need for all the messing about. You've made my day, David. As you know, this has been a problem for me for some considerable time and will greatly increase work flow. Even Acorn DTP had this facility and, dare I say it, so does Pagemaker (spit). I look forward to receiving my new copy of O/Pro in the morning :) Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 14:12:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102702 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 14:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935574896:20:28835:17; Wed, 25 Aug 99 09:54:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028725; 25 Aug 99 9:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA27270 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:18:14 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27264 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:18:12 +0100 Received: from punt1.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.150.23]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JZBa-0003jV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:17:38 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk (isambard.che.hw.ac.uk [137.195.32.15]) by punt1.hw.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25291 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:16:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:14:23 +0100 Subject: Hints and tips/FAQ (Was: The new OvPro manual) Message-ID: <49370bb39bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > To some extent hints and tips could make up another publication. > There already is a FAQ on the http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ site > and I guess scope to add a lot to it. I am a bit ashamed that my production of these hints and tips web pages has rather ground to a halt. If anyone has their own hints and tips (or their own precis of threads in this maillist), that they think could usefully be added to what is already there, then simply e-mail me and I will add them. In addition, anything in the way of applets, macros, etc., etc., that could go on the site, then e-mail me. Regards Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro website http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 14:12:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102708 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 14:12:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935579902:20:01129:16; Wed, 25 Aug 99 11:18:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000516; 25 Aug 99 11:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA27609 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:45 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA27604 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:43 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-50.access.ch [195.112.73.178]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA22224 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:57:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:48:21 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 24 Aug, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug, Anthony Hilton wrote: > > On Sun 15 Aug, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: snip > Will some of the ways of achieving things which have been raised in this > mailing list, be incorporated in the manual? I mean such things as the > overlaying of two styles to get leaders to some tabs and not others on > the same line. I've started investigating this problem last week. No definite solution yet. It seems the programmer is also working on this problem. > Best wishes with this project. Thanks JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 14:12:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102709 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 14:12:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935580245:10:28379:17; Wed, 25 Aug 99 11:24:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117780; 25 Aug 99 11:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA27673 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:06:57 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27668 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:06:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 29396 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 11:06:18 -0000 Received: from user1205.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.205) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 11:06:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:26:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: <4936d5d5f0rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > To me it seemed that OPro was quite deliberately removing the text, > that should mean that the text is gone from a DDL save of the file, > and won't come back if you reload the DDL. That is the definition > of one possible bug. This is how it usually happens to me: I have preset stationery set up - say an invoice - with an address field, invoice no field and date field (amongst others) defined in the master page. I tend to reuse previous invoices for individual customers by renaming and changing the relevant details. The invoice has the address field and invoice numbers filled in on the Document page, but the date is the auto date set on the Master page (which is right justified, but OP gets it wrong when the date string changes length) So, I Ctrl-E to the master page, Ctrl-A in the date field to select it and Ctrl-D to redate it. Close Master page. Document page now has new date - but sometimes the address goes missing, or perhaps the text from the main frame. F12 doesn't bring it back, so it's not a redraw problem. Look at DDL file and text is actually there, but won't show in the frame. Sod's Law says it hasn't happened for a while so I can't produce an example, but the above are the usual circumstances that produce it. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 14:12:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102711 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 14:12:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935583776:10:18624:51; Wed, 25 Aug 99 12:22:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119698; 25 Aug 99 12:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA27825 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:04:25 +0100 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27820 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:04:23 +0100 Received: from p66.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.194] helo=catchline.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11Jcfo-0004dp-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:01:04 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:01:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:01:31 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Type 1 Fonts & Artworks Message-ID: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro When converting an old OvationPro document to one using Type 1 Postscript fonts (to ensure the fonts were embedded in the postscript file) I came across a problem with text in Artworks graphics which took me ages to track down. Here is the problem and answer, in case it is useful for the FAQ. Problem: the fonts for text in an Artworks file are not embedded as expected - instead the text seems to be treated as a bitmap. Solution: this happens if, by accident or design, 'line colour' on the text is set to anything other than 'none'. Setting line colour to none will fix the problem. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 21:06:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102726 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 21:06:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935601803:10:01784:23; Wed, 25 Aug 99 17:23:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109034; 25 Aug 99 17:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28589 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:06:03 +0100 Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28584 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:06:02 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.70.111]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990825170109.FCEX22366.mta3-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:01:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:50:21 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <102687@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAB28589 Status: R On Wed 25 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >=20 =20 > You've not picked a good example, because I have it in mind to > support different leaders for each tab, which will do away with > the need for all the messing about. >=20 This is good news. Can I make a plea, as you are thinking about this, to have some way of changing the font size for the leaders; is that a possibility? I like to be able to use a smaller font size for leaders. In Pagemaker=A9, I have to highlight the leader and select the smaller size, if we can go one better and select the font and size for the leader as part of the style, that would be super. Bernard. --=20 Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN=20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 21:07:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102727 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 21:06:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935605122:10:18334:24; Wed, 25 Aug 99 18:18:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122885; 25 Aug 99 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA28715 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:58:24 +0100 Received: from mta2-svc.virgin.net (mta2-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.143]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA28710 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:58:23 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.236.53]) by mta2-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990825175649.BVZC11547.mta2-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:56:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:29:07 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <4936d5d5f0rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 25 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > To me it seemed that OPro was quite deliberately removing the text, > > that should mean that the text is gone from a DDL save of the file, > > and won't come back if you reload the DDL. That is the definition > > of one possible bug. > > This is how it usually happens to me: > > Look at DDL file and text is actually there, but won't show in the frame. > > Sod's Law says it hasn't happened for a while so I can't produce an > example, but the above are the usual circumstances that produce it. > I also found that the text did not show when a DDL file was loaded. This is of a 12 page magazine document with lots of individual frames and some linked frames, and some in frames on the master pages. When one of the frames was resized by only a very small amount, all the text re-appeared in all the frames of the document. This is repeatable, I have just done it again to check. Give that a try. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 25 22:28:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102747 for opro ; Wed, 25 Aug 99 22:28:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935614611:10:17634:17; Wed, 25 Aug 99 20:56:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017558; 25 Aug 99 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA29095 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:37:18 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29090 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:37:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Jjmg-000KGv-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:36:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 99 21:11:28 GMT Message-Id: <102732@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: The new OvPro manual X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >This is good news. Can I make a plea, as you are thinking about this, to >have some way of changing the font size for the leaders; is that a >possibility? I like to be able to use a smaller font size for leaders. ISTR having a discussion with someone before, and it became obvious that the ideal would be to have a number of styles as part of a style definition. For example to have a style for the drop cap character. Actually implementing this is non-trivial due to depedencies, however thats not the problem. Originally we had bullet points and auto numbered paras in OPro. The templates are still there and it will work after a fashion. But anyway, my brilliant idea, was to have a style for the bullet point. Trouble is it is incredibly unwieldy. If you know what you're doing its OK, but you try explaining to a beginner what "the bullet style" is. Thats the style which has bullet points enabled is it? or is it the style thats used for rendering bullet points, which incidentally doesn't have bullet points switched on... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 01:18:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102764 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 01:18:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935617272:10:20740:16; Wed, 25 Aug 99 21:41:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129817; 25 Aug 99 21:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA29341 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:25:34 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA29336 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:25:33 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-82.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.82]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA19221 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:24:52 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:19:43 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Losing text from master frames Message-ID: <7a1b4e3749%pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <102635@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I have experienced the text _appearing_ to vanish after editing a master page > >so that the text ha to be re-flowed (eg: changing the size of a frame that > >contains text in the document). > I would say these problems are different to what we were discussing. > It is important to know. Because a fix for one bug won't be a fix for > the other. I've remembered another/same problem whose effect is to force text to flow onto a new page. This one is in regard to text entered normally into a frame - although the frame is defined on the master page. The problem is that although it looks like there is a new-page character inserted at the start of the text which forces it onto a new page this apparent new-page character cannot be located or deleted. I whish I could describe this better but I can't remember all the details of this problem - I haven't experienced it for a few weeks. The solution is to 'mess around' with things until the text goes back where it belongs. Perhaps disappearing text is the same as this problem but not in an auto-link chained frame? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 13:35:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102778 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 13:35:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935661766:20:12098:21; Thu, 26 Aug 99 10:02:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011816; 26 Aug 99 10:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA30463 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:42:59 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30458 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:42:58 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.184]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAB2752 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:41:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:42:54 +0100 Subject: Another nasty thing with master frames Message-ID: <493797a41bdelink@news.wxs.nl> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all! Here's another nasty thing with master frames (at least, in my copy): When a text frame in a master page has the 'Centre' option ticked (i.e. Align - Centre), and some text is put in, then only the first page in the document displays that text really centered. In all subsequent pages the same text is top-aligned. Annoying, really! Anyone knows a solution? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 13:35:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102785 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 13:35:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935669599:10:17551:21; Thu, 26 Aug 99 12:13:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017446; 26 Aug 99 12:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30785 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:52:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA30780 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:52:31 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.104) [62.188.130.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Jy4D-00054z-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:51:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 26 Aug 99 12:50:49 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Colour Tables Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 23 Aug 99 (17:18:09 +0000), ovationpro@levens.co.uk wrote: > More news for all you Ovation followers. The new Levens Software > website will be up and running on Tuesday 24th August, at 16:00 (BST). > > It will include details of our latest Ovation applets, such as the > updated Automated Lists, Smart Calender, Matched Pairs and our new Last > Documents list. > > It will also include all of our Ovation Pro import filters (the HTML > filter is being improved currently). > > Our new (free) software OvnColArt will also be found on this website. > It is a colour convertor for Artworks and Ovation, allowing conversion > of colour tables between the two. On the same page is also our 140 > Named Browser Colour Table and our 216 Netscape Colour Chart. > > Please feel free to have a look at it when its up and running as it has > been entirely created with HTMLPro and OvationPro. > > > Demonstration versions of HTMLPro > ================================= > If anybody wishes to have a copy of HTMLPro on a 30 day trial (UK only, > sorry) please email software@levens.co.uk and a copy will be sent out > straight away. After 30 days an invoice will be issued for 29.95UKP > inc VAT and P&P unless the software is returned in suitable condition. > > cheers > > benji Can't find this on internet! What address have you put it under. Thanks, Cheers Bryan Kirk Blackpool -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 14:05:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102793 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 14:05:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935672613:10:03042:18; Thu, 26 Aug 99 13:03:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002907; 26 Aug 99 13:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA30945 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:38:11 +0100 Received: from smtp-server.nlr.nl (spider.nlr.nl [137.17.80.200]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA30940 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:38:09 +0100 Received: from nararch.nlr.nl (nararch.nlr.nl [137.17.168.66]) by smtp-server.nlr.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3/NLR 16/03/99) with SMTP id OAA11233; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:37:21 +0200 (CEST) X-Disclaimer: "The National Aerospace Laboratory NLR DOES NOT ACCEPT ANY FINANCIAL COMMITMENT derived from this message." Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:31:35 +0200 From: "F.R. Polak" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Colour Tables Message-ID: <5997a13749.polak@nararch.nlr.nl> References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam, The Netherlands User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.03 (MsgServe/1.03) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message bkirk@argonet.co.uk (Mr B Kirk) wrote: > On Mon 23 Aug 99 (17:18:09 +0000), ovationpro@levens.co.uk wrote: > > More news for all you Ovation followers. The new Levens Software > > website will be up and running on Tuesday 24th August, at 16:00 (BST). > > > > It will include details of our latest Ovation applets, such as the > > updated Automated Lists, Smart Calender, Matched Pairs and our new Last > > Documents list. > > > > It will also include all of our Ovation Pro import filters (the HTML > > filter is being improved currently). > > > > Our new (free) software OvnColArt will also be found on this website. > > It is a colour convertor for Artworks and Ovation, allowing conversion > > of colour tables between the two. On the same page is also our 140 > > Named Browser Colour Table and our 216 Netscape Colour Chart. > > > > Please feel free to have a look at it when its up and running as it has > > been entirely created with HTMLPro and OvationPro. > > > > > > Demonstration versions of HTMLPro > > ================================= > > If anybody wishes to have a copy of HTMLPro on a 30 day trial (UK only, > > sorry) please email software@levens.co.uk and a copy will be sent out > > straight away. After 30 days an invoice will be issued for 29.95UKP > > inc VAT and P&P unless the software is returned in suitable condition. > > > > cheers > > > > benji > > Can't find this on internet! > What address have you put it under. > Thanks, > Cheers > Bryan Kirk > Blackpool > Look at: http://www.levens.co.uk/software/ and click on "products" -- Frits R. Polak National Aerospace Laboratory (NLR), Amsterdam Airports Department phone : +31-(0)20-5113543; fax: +31-(0)20-5113210 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 18:24:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102825 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 18:24:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935684509:20:06994:16; Thu, 26 Aug 99 16:21:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128524; 26 Aug 99 16:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA31366 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:28:29 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31361 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:28:27 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K1RB-000KAL-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:27:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 99 14:09:25 GMT Message-Id: <102797@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When a text frame in a master page has the 'Centre' option ticked (i.e. >Align - Centre), and some text is put in, then only the first page in the >document displays that text really centered. >In all subsequent pages the same text is top-aligned. Annoying, really! Almost needless to say that my copy of OPro does not show this problem. Its interesting to hear about problems like this. In the long run such reports will lead to the bug being fixed. But if you're expecting rapid solutions, I need precise instructions on how to reproduce faults. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 19:32:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102840 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 19:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935691529:10:18946:16; Thu, 26 Aug 99 18:18:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129841; 26 Aug 99 18:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA31733 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:49:40 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA31728 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:49:38 +0100 From: Received: from modem-15.silver.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.23.15] helo=beeston12) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K3dn-0002ZN-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:48:48 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:54:08 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Imposition problem Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199906161142.MAA21634@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, Can anyone point me in the right direction for further help over using the format "thumbnails"? Like Booklet (I think) this is not mentioned in the printed manual, as they both came to me on a separate Applet, and I imagine they were a later addition. I found the explanations about Booklet in the help file perfectly adequate, and can use it all right. However when trying to use Thumbnail I am not too sure what several of the options are really about! I am trying to use it to print off a couple of files each containing eight or more A4 pages of draft text for notices. I want to print them out in a small size at 6 or 8 to the sheet. Many thanks for your help. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 26 22:31:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102856 for opro ; Thu, 26 Aug 99 22:31:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935700971:20:07102:32; Thu, 26 Aug 99 20:56:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007109; 26 Aug 99 20:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA32060 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:27:44 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32055 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:27:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K66j-0002lN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:26:49 +0000 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 99 19:36:19 GMT Message-Id: <102841@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Imposition problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I want to print them out in a small size at 6 or 8 to the sheet. Extend the print dialogue box, select sideways, set a scale of 30%. Then the thumbnails format will offer you 4x2 as an option. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 00:09:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102862 for opro ; Fri, 27 Aug 99 00:09:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935703832:10:14208:20; Thu, 26 Aug 99 21:43:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013991; 26 Aug 99 21:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA32156 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:04 +0100 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32151 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:14:03 +0100 Received: from modem-26.ballerina.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.139.154] helo=orchard-way) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K6pa-0004AV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:13:10 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 21:57:15 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <102797@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro If this is turning into a wish-list, can I add one please? Frame Styles. I would like to have a quick way to select a frams with a 0.25mm border, text vertically centred, and one column. Text inset 2mm, standoff 0mm. Then select a frame with two columns, no border, text at top. Inset 1mm, standoff 1mm. Then select a picture frame, standoff 2mm. This is cumbersome at the moment. Is it feasible to create styles to hold these settings? -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 00:10:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102865 for opro ; Fri, 27 Aug 99 00:10:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935708753:20:29789:16; Thu, 26 Aug 99 23:05:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029620; 26 Aug 99 23:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA32414 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:49:02 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA32409 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:49:00 +0100 Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.164.239]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA5C1F for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:47:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:48:56 +0100 Subject: Another nasty thing with master frames Message-ID: <4937df9ab9delink@news.wxs.nl> In-Reply-To: <102797@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <102797@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.12L (RISC-OS/4.00) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > Its interesting to hear about problems like this. In the long run > such reports will lead to the bug being fixed. But if you're expecting > rapid solutions, I need precise instructions on how to reproduce faults. Very easily: - Open a new document - Click on 'Edit master page" (Ctrl-E) - Create a new frame somewhere - Click on 'Modify text frame' - Choose Align -> Centre - Type a text in this frame (e.g. TEST) - Close Master page - Insert many new pages in the document, e.g. with Ctrl-P - See how only the first page centres the text 'TEST' in the very frame - See how all other pages have this text top-aligned ... at least, in my copy (well, in ALL of my copies, until now). I really think this is a little, but annoying, bug. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 02:15:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102881 for opro ; Fri, 27 Aug 99 02:15:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935714690:20:27061:16; Fri, 27 Aug 99 00:44:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027011; 27 Aug 99 0:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA00391 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:30:07 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA00386 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:30:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K9tI-000N2a-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:29:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 99 01:26:04 GMT Message-Id: <102868@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Very easily: >- Open a new document Thank you, I can see the problem now. Based on your earlier description I did things in a slightly different way. So you see the benefits of precise explanations ;-) I should be able to fix it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 14:06:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102899 for opro ; Fri, 27 Aug 99 14:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935757662:20:13067:16; Fri, 27 Aug 99 12:41:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012929; 27 Aug 99 12:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01507 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:24:26 +0100 Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01502 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:24:23 +0100 Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via 1Cust8.tnt4.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net [212.136.244.8] with SMTP for id OAA16993 (8.8.8/1.19); Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:23:18 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <016401bef086$ad444910$4d01a8c0@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: "Ovation Pro List" Subject: Frame Styles was: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:03:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Alan Adams wrote: >If this is turning into a wish-list, can I add one please? >Frame Styles. > >I would like to have a quick way to select a frams with a 0.25mm border, >text vertically centred, and one column. Text inset 2mm, standoff 0mm. > >Then select a frame with two columns, no border, text at top. Inset 1mm, >standoff 1mm. > >Then select a picture frame, standoff 2mm. > >This is cumbersome at the moment. Is it feasible to create styles to hold >these settings? > I like your suggestion. At the moment I have stylesheets from which I can copy frequently used frames and their settings. Tonnie Demarteau -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 21:10:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102925 for opro ; Fri, 27 Aug 99 21:10:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935775251:20:29323:21; Fri, 27 Aug 99 17:34:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029146; 27 Aug 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA02022 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:17:33 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02017 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:17:31 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([194.168.14.164]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA10638 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:03:11 +0100 Message-ID: <37C73867.32A2@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:16:23 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Styles was: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames References: <016401bef086$ad444910$4d01a8c0@padua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > >This is cumbersome at the moment. Is it feasible to create styles to hold > >these settings? > > > > I like your suggestion. At the moment I have stylesheets from which I can > copy frequently used frames and their settings. > IIRC, I suggested this way back in the early days of OvPro (and previously to no avail for Impression to CC). I'd like a global (or file) preference which named a default frame style ( eg. BaseFrameStyle) which could be amended and used as the default settings ( :-) ) for new frames. You could then change this preference to point to another frame style if you were about to insert several frames of similar properties. It's a bit like all this object-oriented gubbins spouted by other applications both on RiscOS and other (spit) platforms. However, I'd imagine it might take a considerable/fundamental redesign of how OvPro does things... (leaves space for DP to jump in and contradict this!!) -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 27 23:07:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102959 for opro ; Fri, 27 Aug 99 23:07:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935790374:20:09510:19; Fri, 27 Aug 99 21:46:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009371; 27 Aug 99 21:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA02461 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:29:40 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02456 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:29:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11KTY0-000Mvb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:28:32 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 99 21:52:25 GMT Message-Id: <102943@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Frame Styles was: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >previously to no avail for Impression to CC). I'd like a global (or >file) preference which named a default frame style ( eg. BaseFrameStyle) >which could be amended and used as the default settings ( :-) ) for new >frames. Well yes, in an ideal world. Always interests me how you get things like the frame border style, and it would be neat to be able to copy that from one frame to another. I'd draw your attention to the quote from the release notes below... Setting default attributes on objects ------------------------------------- When you click on "Save as Default", a style sheet called Default is saved in the !OvnPro.!OvnResDir folder. It is now possible to save a document (i.e. as opposed to a style sheet) called 'Default' inside !OvnPro.!OvnResDir. If you do, the first object of each type which is not a master object is used as a prototype (the object will *not* appear in each new document). By this mechanism it is now possible to make text frames default to transparent or have no text runaround etc. Note the duality with the approach of having Choices windows to control the defaults for objects. Settings in the choices windows take precedence. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 28 14:11:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102966 for opro ; Sat, 28 Aug 99 14:11:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935821829:10:25326:21; Sat, 28 Aug 99 06:30:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119100; 28 Aug 99 6:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA03297 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:16:06 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03292 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:16:05 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11KblO-000CeP-0B for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:14:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:51:38 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Current "Features" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David, I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. There are a number of things that I and others have reported, but haven't (yet) made it into the release versions. I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. Note that I am not asking *when* they will be attended to, that would be unreasonable. Is this possible/practical? -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 28 14:11:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102967 for opro ; Sat, 28 Aug 99 14:11:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935820652:20:26344:16; Sat, 28 Aug 99 06:10:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026251; 28 Aug 99 6:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA03209 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:37:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA03204 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:37:15 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.222) [193.149.70.222] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 11Kb9m-0003xJ-00; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:36:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Bernard Veasey) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:00:29 +0100 X-Organization: ArgoNet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.23 for RISC OS 3.70 Subject: Re: Another nasty thing with master frames Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Further to Alan Adams saying: > If this is turning into a wish-list, can I add one please? > Frame Styles. > > I would like to have a quick way to select a frams with a 0.25mm > border, text vertically centred, and one column. Text inset 2mm, > standoff 0mm. > > Then select a frame with two columns, no border, text at top. > Inset 1mm, standoff 1mm. > > Then select a picture frame, standoff 2mm. > > This is cumbersome at the moment. Is it feasible to create styles > to hold these settings? Why not have a 'library' of regularly used 'frames' in an Ovation Pro document and just ALT-drag your desired choice to another Ovation Pro window. Alternatively, store a regularly used 'frame' on the 'pasteboard', if they are required for that document. (Menu > View > Options > Pastboard) It would also be nice to have a feature within Ovation Pro where we could save a frame and its contents to disc where we could import it later to the mouse position. -- Bernard - bernard.veasey@argonet.co.uk Home Page - http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/bernard.veasey Acorn RISC OS software - Sights in West Sussex - Dogs - etc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 28 16:31:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA102990 for opro ; Sat, 28 Aug 99 16:31:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 935850650:10:01818:16; Sat, 28 Aug 99 14:30:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128583; 28 Aug 99 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA04076 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:02:53 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04071 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:02:51 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Kj31-0005jd-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:01:35 +0000 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 99 14:15:49 GMT Message-Id: <102974@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Current "Features" X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I assume you have list of 'features' (not to mention 'bugs' :) that you >are planning to fix one day, which will have derived from user reports. >I would like to see such a list posted somewhere (and kept up to date?) >so that we can see their status, whether or not you regard them as bugs, >or even establish whether they have dropped through the net. Well its a nice idea. In the old days when Beebug had a software manager we had exactly such a list. At the moment its usually a case of me remembering things. I'm reluctant to embark on such a project because it would just take more time. Its like it would be really great to edit out all the hints and tips from the mail list archives, but I don't have the time. Your specific concern is probably met by the fact that there's effectively been no updates at all for 12 months, and little change for 18 months. (in other words I think I fixed your bug). With luck things should start to move forward again soon. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message