From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 13:42:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98546 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jul 99 13:42:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930821306:10:28789:22; Thu, 01 Jul 99 09:28:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028703; 1 Jul 99 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA22812 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:10:03 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA22807 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:09:49 +0100 Received: from modem-63.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.90.63] helo=freeserve.co.uk) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10zcrX-0007t1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 10:10:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:04:41 +0100 From: Mark To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing black and colour separately Message-ID: <991fd11949%Mark@freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <95c771949%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: Mad Cow Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams was let out long enough to write: > At least 6 months ago I asked here if separations could be used to solve a > particular problem involving a slow colour inkjet. The answer was no. I have > now found a reasonable solution. > > The idea was to print a page which is mostly black text, but has colour > photos in, as two passes. Pass one prints the photos using all four inks. > The second pass prints just the text, using the high-speed black cartridge. > (Canon BJC4350 - the black cartridge does about a centimetre at a pass.) The > result is faster than printing the entire page using the colour cartridge, > and a little cheaper too, because I can user a lower resolution for the > text. > > The method is as follows: > > Define an additional spot colour, say, Text Black. Set the bodytext style to > this, and change border colours, line colours etc to it as well. To help, > use Edit colours and change it to lime green, or yellow, so it stands out. > > For the photo pass, edit the colour of Text Black to None. Print. For the > text pass, edit the colour of text black to black, select "No Pictures" and > print. > > I found by experimenting that changing the definitions of the process > colours doesn't stop them printing. Also, there is a faint black border > drawn on the "no pictures" pass round each picture. > > It's not perfect, but it's printing the 130 copy run of oyr magazine as I > write. > I have been doing this (or simialr) for many years with my HP deskjet 500C. The problem here is that it will only take a black or a colour cartridge and printing blck with the colour cartridge yeilds decidedly green blacks. I don't quite understand why you need to define a seperate black colour, I always redifine the base one however make sure you make it white to leave gaps for the colour pass. To remove the picures I always shrink the scale to about 1% and move them in the frame to outside the visible area. This allow a black pass with no lines. (DP: Would it be possible to make it an option to print the black lines when no picture is selected?) This is tedious and now the printer is getting more aged it often takes several attepts to get the pages to align aceptably. Big tip: always rember to save the document under a new name before editing, Auto Save can be deadly. Mark. -- You only get *B*est *S*oftware *E*ver from Mad Cow Software Apoclaypse - Cross-platfrom games programming with ease. - Coming to a computer near you SOON E-mail WWW http://www.madsoft.freeserve.co.uk ICQ UIN - 26495898 ------- >>There is only one way to kill capitalism--by taxes, taxes, and more taxes. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 1 13:44:08 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98553 for opro ; Thu, 01 Jul 99 13:44:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930826914:10:25886:67; Thu, 01 Jul 99 11:01:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116537; 1 Jul 99 11:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA23012 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:53:03 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA23007 for ; Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:52:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 13260 invoked from network); 1 Jul 1999 10:53:35 -0000 Received: from 66-020.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO maured.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.20) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 1 Jul 1999 10:53:35 -0000 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 11:50:50 +0100 (BST) From: Maurice Edmundson Subject: OvroP Manual To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Maurice Edmundson. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I should like to add my own good wishes to David for the future of OvPro and to comment about a possible future manual. I agree with all who support such a manual using OvPro itself. The screen version should follow standard OvPro rules for book production. It would appear on screen in A4 double sided format, using a body text accessible to all eg Trinity and Homerton at 15pt with other styles pro rata. The inner margins would be wide enough to allow the pages to be punched for plastic comb or other form of cheap binding. The document would be divided into OvPro chapters which would probably match the chapters in the book. The first OvPro chapter would probably be the fly-leaf and contents pages and the last OvPro chapter would probably be the index. Where appropriate, diagrams could be embedded in the text. The master Pages would use headers and footers the former for chapter headings and the latter for page numbering. The document would be printed using pamphlet mode so that the user would end up with an A5 booklet. A separate document would form the cover so that this could be printed separately on thin card - possibly A4 sideways to be cut in half for front and back covers. The manual could also be used on screen, at 65 per cent reduction and with facing pages if preferred. The search-find and Goto facilities within OvPro would be available when used in this way. Since OvPro is a professional DTP package it has everything needed for producing its own user-guide in a professional form by the user. -- Maurice Edmundson=====================email:maured@eurobell.co.uk 10 Carlisle Avenue Telephone/Fax: 01727 859450 St. Albans, Herts. AL3 5LT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 2 21:06:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98751 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jul 99 21:06:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930942152:20:04031:17; Fri, 02 Jul 99 19:02:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003990; 2 Jul 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA24366 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:49:09 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24361 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 19:48:54 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1108Nm-000B49-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 18:49:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 99 19:38:45 GMT Message-Id: <98744@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RISC OS 4 and OvationPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Does OvationPro work with RISC OS 4...? Well yes it does. However a common experience is likely to be that loading a graphic or a piece of text into OPro under ROS4 leads to a crash. What crashes is the !Server code which is in the OPro supplied transloaders e.g. TransFSI, TransDDF. The problem is that this code was written by Rob Clark, who seems to have vanished off the planet. I don't have the source code for it. So the current strategy is to either find Rob, or rewrite the code. The crash is seemingly caused by this code illegally accesing zero page. A common error in C programs. With ROS4 zero page is protected, and thats what causes the crash. A fix is to un protect zero page, the attached Basic program will do this (thanks to Robin Watts) begin 644 new.zip M4$L#!!0 @ ( &]FW28V?(@.MP !D! ) !@ 56Y0@!V3X-:,H"a M!:A5P:DEV&Q:!52S11#)QWE*O/\!4$L! A0-% " @ ;V;=)C9\B ZW a M&0$ D & @ %5N4')O=&5C=$%#% !!4D,P2?O__[_Na @Q!D# %!+!08 0 ! $\ #V !#a a end David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 2 22:03:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98766 for opro ; Fri, 02 Jul 99 22:03:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930946419:20:13648:19; Fri, 02 Jul 99 20:13:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013500; 2 Jul 99 20:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA24516 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:05:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA24511 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 21:05:28 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1109Zt-000GIZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:06:29 +0000 Date: Fri, 02 Jul 99 19:58:36 GMT Message-Id: <98747@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New News Maillist X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks again to Carol Carpenter @ Barnet, a new maillist is available, which will mean I don't have to go off topic here with announcements about programs other than OvationPro. This new maillist provides news about David Pilling software, for example the availability of new versions, additions to the web site and so on. It's an annoucement only list and the frequency of postings will be low, so you can subscribe without fear of being swamped by email. To subscribe, send a message with the text subscribe davidpilling in the body of the message (note the message body and not the subject line) to majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 3 14:44:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98833 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jul 99 14:44:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930993261:10:13809:16; Sat, 03 Jul 99 09:14:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013580; 3 Jul 99 9:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA25562 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:46:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA25557 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 08:46:06 +0100 Received: from moor-lane.demon.co.uk ([194.222.185.234]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 110KVh-000Ady-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:46:53 +0000 Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 20:20:47 +0100 (BST) From: allan harris Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but it relies on feedback and support. Had the last 'OPUS' magazine this week, the newsletter of the Sibelius user group and that has folded for lack of support. -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO32 2PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 3 14:44:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98843 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jul 99 14:44:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930999058:10:00614:15; Sat, 03 Jul 99 10:50:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118489; 3 Jul 99 10:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26220 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:31:51 +0100 Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26211 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:31:36 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas1848.singnet.com.sg [165.21.53.118]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA01345 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 18:32:40 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 12:37:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: New News Maillist To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <98747@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro subscrib davidpilling And very many thanks and good luck. -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 3 14:45:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98849 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jul 99 14:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930997297:20:29377:16; Sat, 03 Jul 99 10:21:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029244; 3 Jul 99 10:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26103 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:12:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA26098 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:12:37 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.152) [193.149.73.152] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 110Mnp-0005mp-00; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 11:13:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 3 Jul 99 11:08:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: New Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just released version 1.00 of newframe for Ovation Pro to the OP Resources web site. This allows the creation of text and drawfile shaped frames. At present it is a little basic but time has been short recently and rather than letting it rest on my harddisc I thought people should get to use it! !Newframe should be avaiable soon from the web site (thanks Chris) Have fun David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 3 17:38:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98877 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jul 99 17:38:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931015564:10:23139:17; Sat, 03 Jul 99 15:26:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106676; 3 Jul 99 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA26681 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:15:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26671 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:15:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 110RWk-0007t7-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:16:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 99 15:54:24 GMT Message-Id: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but >it relies on feedback and support. I think the plan is something like this... Near future ----------- Put the colour supplement and a patch that lets you upgrade 2.51 to 2.52 on the web site. Continue shipping 2.52 as the standard version. Middle future ------------- Put upgrades on the web site which have new features. About 6 months hence -------------------- Produce a paid for upgrade on CD ROM, incorporating the new features, and with the revised program manual. Repeat the last 2 steps once a year as long as there is interest. Given a CD, there should be scope for distributing lots of other related stuff at the same time. So if anyone has any suggestions or contributions... Things I can think of are example OvationPro documents, PD Fonts, related software. I think this has some aspects of a subscription, with the advantages that you know what you're getting, and I'm not obliged to produce stuff on a fixed timetable. Anyone without a CD drive can protest - nocdrom@pilling.demon.co.uk And I'd probably give some sort of protection to new purchasers, like they get the upgrade free. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 3 17:38:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98879 for opro ; Sat, 03 Jul 99 17:38:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931015475:20:10723:17; Sat, 03 Jul 99 15:24:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010652; 3 Jul 99 15:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA26683 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:15:43 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA26676 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:15:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 110RWm-0007t7-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:16:28 +0000 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 99 16:11:34 GMT Message-Id: <98863@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: The other thing about RISC OS 4 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There's a configuration option that lets you globally set PC style delete key operation. If it is selected operation of the Delete and End (Copy for old timers) keys in OvationPro is messed up. I assume a bit of fine tuning to the UniversalKey module will be needed. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:54:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98909 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:54:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931031954:20:14552:16; Sat, 03 Jul 99 19:59:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014497; 3 Jul 99 19:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA27401 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:49:51 +0100 Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27391 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:49:34 +0100 Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-pm07-16.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.228.144]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id UAA16151 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 20:50:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:50:39 +0100 From: John Woodthorpe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 and OvationPro Message-ID: References: <98744@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <98744@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ArmLink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <98744@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > > Does OvationPro work with RISC OS 4...? David, In the new regime, is the copy protection going to remain? In other words, when I upgrade to RISC OS 4 and reformat my hard drive, am I going to have to dig out my 2.46 floppies, revalidate the installed copy, and then upgrade everything to 2.51 again? Or will there be a simpler method? Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:55:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98935 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:55:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931077002:20:28451:15; Sun, 04 Jul 99 08:30:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125469; 4 Jul 99 8:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA28158 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:12:13 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28153 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 09:12:01 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.170] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 110hJR-000302-00; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 08:07:48 +0000 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 19:09:03 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: News To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > >it relies on feedback and support. > > I think the plan is something like this... > > Near future > ----------- > Put the colour supplement and a patch that lets you upgrade > 2.51 to 2.52 on the web site. Continue shipping 2.52 > as the standard version. > > > Middle future > ------------- > Put upgrades on the web site which have new features. > > > About 6 months hence > -------------------- > Produce a paid for upgrade on CD ROM, incorporating the new > features, and with the revised program manual. > > > Repeat the last 2 steps once a year as long as there is interest. > > > Given a CD, there should be scope for distributing lots of other > related stuff at the same time. So if anyone has any suggestions or > contributions... > > Things I can think of are example OvationPro documents, PD Fonts, > related software. > > > I think this has some aspects of a subscription, with the advantages that you > know what you're getting, and I'm not obliged to produce stuff on a fixed > timetable. > > Anyone without a CD drive can protest - nocdrom@pilling.demon.co.uk > > And I'd probably give some sort of protection to new purchasers, like > they get the upgrade free. You sound more and more like a 'User' as time goes on :-) -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com RISC OS Foundation Member - 0052 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:55:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98939 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:55:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931039765:10:21509:15; Sat, 03 Jul 99 22:09:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104280; 3 Jul 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA27699 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:55:44 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27694 for ; Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:55:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 1345 invoked from network); 3 Jul 1999 21:56:47 -0000 Received: from user1240.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.240) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 1999 21:56:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 19:04:49 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <491bf0f596rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I think the plan is something like this... > Near future > ----------- > Put the colour supplement and a patch that lets you upgrade > 2.51 to 2.52 on the web site. Continue shipping 2.52 > as the standard version. Can new users buy Ovation Pro from you now, or do they have to go via Beebug? There has been some interest shown in the c.s.a groups since your announcement, and it would be nice if they could buy directly from you so that you get all the profit. I did suggest they emailled you to ask. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:56:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98962 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:56:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931092317:20:21867:28; Sun, 04 Jul 99 12:45:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021828; 4 Jul 99 12:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28696 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:35:18 +0100 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28683; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:34:48 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:34:48 +0100 Message-Id: <199907041234.NAA28683@omega.barnet.ac.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Subject: Welcome to davidpilling Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R -- Welcome to the davidpilling mailing list! 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The frequency of postings is low, so you can subscribe to it without being swamped by messages. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:56:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98963 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:56:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931079908:10:27429:15; Sun, 04 Jul 99 09:18:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027225; 4 Jul 99 9:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28329 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:06:59 +0100 Received: from ns.cityscape.co.uk (ns.cityscape.co.uk [194.159.0.5]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28324 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:06:43 +0100 Received: from angel2.cityscape.co.uk ([194.159.0.17]) by ns.cityscape.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 110iHj-0000Qs-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:10:03 +0100 Received: from ek24 (helo=localhost) by angel2.cityscape.co.uk with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 110iKE-0005TU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:12:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 10:12:38 +0100 (BST) From: "derek.barber" X-Sender: ek24@angel2.cityscape.co.uk To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News In-Reply-To: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello David, May I add my name to the list of those congratulating you on recent events and give my support for your plan for the future. Best regards, Derek Barber On Sat, 3 Jul 1999, David Pilling wrote: > > >I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > >it relies on feedback and support. > > I think the plan is something like this... > > Near future > ----------- > Put the colour supplement and a patch that lets you upgrade > 2.51 to 2.52 on the web site. Continue shipping 2.52 > as the standard version. > > > Middle future > ------------- > Put upgrades on the web site which have new features. > > > About 6 months hence > -------------------- > Produce a paid for upgrade on CD ROM, incorporating the new > features, and with the revised program manual. > > > Repeat the last 2 steps once a year as long as there is interest. > > > Given a CD, there should be scope for distributing lots of other > related stuff at the same time. So if anyone has any suggestions or > contributions... > > Things I can think of are example OvationPro documents, PD Fonts, > related software. > > > I think this has some aspects of a subscription, with the advantages that you > know what you're getting, and I'm not obliged to produce stuff on a fixed > timetable. > > Anyone without a CD drive can protest - nocdrom@pilling.demon.co.uk > > And I'd probably give some sort of protection to new purchasers, like > they get the upgrade free. > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:58:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98979 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:58:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931108662:10:06997:23; Sun, 04 Jul 99 17:17:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007135; 4 Jul 99 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA29044 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:04:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA29031 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:04:10 +0100 Received: from tarazen.demon.co.uk ([193.237.156.226] helo=tarazen) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 110phu-000GzM-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 17:05:35 +0000 Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 17:44:55 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <007b6d1c49.jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> References: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: sometimes User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > >it relies on feedback and support. > > I think the plan is something like this... > > Near future > ----------- > Put the colour supplement and a patch that lets you upgrade > 2.51 to 2.52 on the web site. Continue shipping 2.52 > as the standard version. > > > Middle future > ------------- > Put upgrades on the web site which have new features. > > > About 6 months hence > -------------------- > sounds fine to me > Given a CD, there should be scope for distributing lots of other > related stuff at the same time. So if anyone has any suggestions or > contributions... > > Things I can think of are example OvationPro documents, PD Fonts, > related software. > Latest versions of all the Applets Best wishes, personally I think more people will change to OvP now that you have taken over and guaranteed a definite future for OvP. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 22:59:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98989 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:59:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931124275:10:21470:16; Sun, 04 Jul 99 21:37:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021238; 4 Jul 99 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA29631 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:26:43 +0100 Received: from hercules.telenet-ops.be (hercules.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.33]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA29626 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:26:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 3222 invoked from network); 4 Jul 1999 21:27:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO riscpc.be) ([195.130.146.208]) (envelope-sender ) by hercules.telenet-ops.be (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 4 Jul 1999 21:27:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jan De Poorter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:26:55 +0200 Subject: Re: New Applet Message-ID: <491c874c5djdp@pandora.be> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mr B Kirk wrote: > On Sat 3 Jul 99 (11:08:27), davidb@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > I have just released version 1.00 of newframe for Ovation Pro to > > the OP Resources web site. This allows the creation of text and > > drawfile shaped frames. At present it is a little basic but time > > has been short recently and rather than letting it rest on my > > harddisc I thought people should get to use it! > > > > !Newframe should be avaiable soon from the web site (thanks Chris) > > > > Have fun > > > > David Breakwell: > David, Just read the above, I don't know the OP Resources site, > could you please let me know. > Thanks, Bryan Kirk Blackpool. It's at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Jan. -- Jan De Poorter Gent - Belgium mailto:jdp@pandora.be -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:00:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98994 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:00:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931126266:10:09067:19; Sun, 04 Jul 99 22:11:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009000; 4 Jul 99 22:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA29849 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:01:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA29844 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:01:10 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.22) [193.149.73.22] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 110uLL-000643-00; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:02:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr Breakwell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 22:48:16 +0100 Subject: Re: New Applet Message-ID: <491c8940b9davidb@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Mr B Kirk wrote: > David, > Just read the above, I don't know the OP Resources site, could you please let > me know. > Thanks, > Bryan Kirk > Blackpool. use either www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro or the link provided on David Piliings site www.pilling.demon.co.uk regards David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:03:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99014 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:03:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931195563:10:02256:17; Mon, 05 Jul 99 17:26:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002224; 5 Jul 99 17:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA31167 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:16:20 +0100 Received: from sand4.global.net.uk (sand4.global.net.uk [194.126.80.248]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31162 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:16:05 +0100 Received: from pf2s13a02.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.157.243] helo=ianadunn.global.co.uk) by sand4.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 111CLl-0002cE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:16:14 +0100 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:39:46 +0100 (BST) From: Dr Ian Dunn Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dr Ian Dunn X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 03 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > > >I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > >it relies on feedback and support. > > I think the plan is something like this... > Sounds good to me . Ian -- Dr Ian Dunn mailto ianadunn@globalnet.co.uk Monsanto Monopoly Monoculture Mayhem Megamess I'm saying NO NO thankyou -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:04:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99017 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:04:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931197059:10:17324:32; Mon, 05 Jul 99 17:50:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115202; 5 Jul 99 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA31351 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:42:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA31346 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:42:20 +0100 Received: from bigbo.demon.co.uk ([193.237.223.106]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111ClB-000AFx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 17:42:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:42:27 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: No OPro at St.Albans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Jul, DavidLewin@aol.com wrote: > Have we (the OPro lobby) missed an opportunity to blow our own trumpet. I > spent two hours at the St.Albans show on Saturday and OPro was only mentioned > once. With hind sight I would have volunteered an hour or so and a couple of > SA RPC600's to man a stall to spread the gospel. What think you for next time? > > David Lewin > > -- I would certainly be prepared to assist, with a SA RiscPC 600, if it is thought to be useful. Based in Mid-Hampshire. John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:05:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99027 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:05:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931107504:20:27613:22; Sun, 04 Jul 99 16:58:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027501; 4 Jul 99 16:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA28964 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:54:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA28958 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:54:23 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.203) [193.149.77.203] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 110ocM-0007PW-00; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 16:55:47 +0100 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:20:10 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <491C085634%mik@xemik.com> In-Reply-To: <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <98861@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > >it relies on feedback and support. > I think the plan is something like this... > [snip] > And I'd probably give some sort of protection to new purchasers, like > they get the upgrade free. This is what worries me a little. I bought O/Pro at the Wakefield Show, so how do recent purchasers from Beebug fit into the scheme of this? -- Adore: To venerate expectantly __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:38:41 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.138) [62.188.136.138] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 110r7O-0001uu-00; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 19:35:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 4 Jul 99 19:35:57 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: New Applet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 3 Jul 99 (11:08:27), davidb@argonet.co.uk wrote: > I have just released version 1.00 of newframe for Ovation Pro to the OP > Resources web site. This allows the creation of text and drawfile > shaped frames. At present it is a little basic but time has been short > recently and rather than letting it rest on my harddisc I thought > people should get to use it! > > !Newframe should be avaiable soon from the web site (thanks Chris) > > Have fun > > David Breakwell: David, Just read the above, I don't know the OP Resources site, could you please let me know. Thanks, Bryan Kirk Blackpool. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:06:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99040 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:06:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931126322:20:11644:15; Sun, 04 Jul 99 22:12:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100025; 4 Jul 99 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA29855 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:01:51 +0100 Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29850 for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:01:31 +0100 From: Received: from DavidLewin@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id dJYJa12667 (4425) for ; Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 18:01:09 EDT Subject: No OPro at St.Albans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 163 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Have we (the OPro lobby) missed an opportunity to blow our own trumpet. I spent two hours at the St.Albans show on Saturday and OPro was only mentioned once. With hind sight I would have volunteered an hour or so and a couple of SA RPC600's to man a stall to spread the gospel. What think you for next time? David Lewin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:07:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99055 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:07:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931198745:20:09684:18; Mon, 05 Jul 99 18:19:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119678; 5 Jul 99 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA31484 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:08:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA31475 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:08:04 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.195) [62.188.146.195] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 111DA4-0004RM-00; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:08:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Wott Workz To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:02:19 +0100 Subject: Re: No OPro at St.Albans Message-ID: <491cf8671bwott.workz@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com> References: <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com>, wrote: > With hind sight I would have volunteered an hour or so and a couple of > SA RPC600's to man a stall to spread the gospel. What think you for next time? What about at the October show? If not, I'd definately be prepared to do a bit at John Stonier's show in the South West next year. Cheers Heidi -- Wott Workz DTP Work done on an Acorn Computer -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:08:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99060 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:08:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931205523:20:12894:31; Mon, 05 Jul 99 20:12:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119826; 5 Jul 99 20:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA31719 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:05:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA31714 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:05:13 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.80) [193.149.83.80] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 111EzS-0007Ae-00; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:05:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:56:29 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #189 Message-ID: <491cfd5bd9colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199907051718.SAA31176@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199907051718.SAA31176@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Jul, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Best wishes, personally I think more people will change to OvP > now that you have taken over and guaranteed a definite future for > OvP. My brother has just decided to buy now that Op is owned by David (of course price might have something to do with it ;) Cheers Colin -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 5 23:13:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99065 for opro ; Mon, 05 Jul 99 23:13:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931212126:10:08547:15; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:02:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114592; 5 Jul 99 22:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA31937 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:52:25 +0100 Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA31932 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:52:13 +0100 Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-81-27.ma.es.ibm.net [139.92.81.27]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA696 Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 23:28:17 +0200 (BST) From: James White Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Spanish Oak Nurseries X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAA31933 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id WAB31937 On Fri 02 Jul, allan harris wrote: > I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > it relies on feedback and support. >=20 > Had the last 'OPUS' magazine this week, the newsletter of the > Sibelius user group and that has folded for lack of support. > For 'lack of support' read 'disinterest in a PC setup', not a situation that remotely applies to DP and OP :-) anyway the Sib7 maillist continues without interruption, indicating that a sufficiently large number of users have not gone PC - 400 in NZ and OZ alone, it seems. On another subject, I have an unsold copy of OP v.2.43 + Colour Supplement. How do I upgrade this now, David? JW --=20 ---------------- RiscOS en Espa=F1a Tel:+34 971 872322 ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 01:47:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99078 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 01:47:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931215027:20:01417:21; Mon, 05 Jul 99 22:50:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001419; 5 Jul 99 22:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA32090 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:42:23 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA32085 for ; Mon, 5 Jul 1999 23:42:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 25503 invoked from network); 5 Jul 1999 22:42:21 -0000 Received: from userb744.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (193.149.83.219) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 1999 22:42:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roy Gillard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:02:27 +0100 Subject: Re: No OPro at St.Albans Message-ID: <491cf86a17roy.matra@ukgateway.net> In-Reply-To: <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com> References: <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <2e086114.24b133a5@aol.com>, wrote: > Have we (the OPro lobby) missed an opportunity to blow our own trumpet. I > spent two hours at the St.Albans show on Saturday and OPro was only > mentioned once... I was at the St.Albans show too, and one good point that needs to made is something I heard whilst at Cerilica's stand (watching the programmer demonstrate Vantage - and incidentally this goes beyond anything I expected out of it!). He said something to the effect that whilst you can drop a Vantage file into CC's Publisher it will be limited by the 'old' app. It will be better in the long run with Ovation Pro as they are in contact with D.P. and they are both working to make sure we get the best out of both. So the message is: if you have OPro you will benefit when using other new apps like Vantage. Regards, Roy -- Acorn StrongArm RISC Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roy.matra/ roy.matra@ukgateway.net or roy.matra@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 03:18:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99144 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 03:18:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931225975:20:21138:35; Tue, 06 Jul 99 01:52:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108679; 6 Jul 99 1:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA32394 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:30:16 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA32379 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 02:29:58 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111K3o-0009N0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 01:30:12 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 99 02:18:28 GMT Message-Id: <99103@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Can new users buy Ovation Pro from you now, or do they have to go via >Beebug? Yes, you can buy direct from me. In fact you could if you wanted buy from Beebug, but their role is just that of "any RISC OS dealer" now. So you might equally well buy from The Data Store, Liquid Silicon etc. To emphasise - Beebug no longer have any special relationship with OvationPro. And of course given the way these things work, I make more money if you buy OPro direct from me. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 14:15:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99159 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 14:15:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931249755:10:23514:42; Tue, 06 Jul 99 08:29:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108522; 6 Jul 99 8:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA32742 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:00:16 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA32737 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 08:59:54 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.218] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 111Q41-0003FO-00; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:54:49 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 08:51:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 08:28:05 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing out styles spec Message-ID: <262c421d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there any way of printing out a list of all styles used in a document, together with their specification (i.e. the summary you get in the 'Edit Style window')? We often need this information, but I have found no way of extracting it, other than manually writing it down! The styles are listed, of course, at the start of a DDL file - but in rather cryptic format. Is this a case for an applet? Or have I missed something? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 16:27:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99210 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 16:27:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931274243:20:27952:34; Tue, 06 Jul 99 15:17:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101239; 6 Jul 99 15:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA00439 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:05:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA00434 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:04:49 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.18) [193.149.73.18] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 111WmS-0006PL-00; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 16:05:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:30:07 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <491d52d68clionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99103@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <99103@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <99103@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > And of course given the way these things work, I make more money > if you buy OPro direct from me. Now I wish that I had hung on before buying this excellent program. There again I would not have been able to do some of the things that I have done if I only had Publisher to tackle jobs. Mike Towse's point is one that I would like clarification on as far as future upgrades are concerned. For OP and the Colour Supplement, as I purchased both through BeeBug. I am greatly heartened by you reclaiming OP. I increasingly rely on your software, including David Pilling's scanning software, to do the business that other apps seem to baulk at. My appreciation is that you avoid the pitfalls of dynamic areas better than some others. Indeed, by comparison, your software is remarkably stable on my computer which is not the simplest of systems. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 18:52:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99220 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 18:52:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931282071:10:06236:48; Tue, 06 Jul 99 17:27:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107168; 6 Jul 99 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00615 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:18:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA00609 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:18:01 +0100 Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 111YrO-0000c2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 17:18:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:14:05 +0200 (BST) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: Printing out styles spec To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <262c421d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 06 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > > Is there any way of printing out a list of all styles > used in a document, together with their specification (i.e. the > summary you get in the 'Edit Style window')? Not exactly the summary of that window, but only the fonts and styles used in that document. Is that what you are looking for? > Is this a case for an applet? Yes it is. > Or have I missed something? Yes you have. The applet which will do this is named !FontList. When ticked, in the applets submenu, it drops a list of fonts and styles in whatever texteditor you are using. In case you want all the fonts available to print out, use !FontCat. One of these applets is in http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/index.html ,the other in http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html . -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 20:59:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99255 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 20:59:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931290118:10:02292:39; Tue, 06 Jul 99 19:41:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002229; 6 Jul 99 19:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA00929 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:27:38 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA00924 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:27:23 +0100 Received: from [195.102.198.226] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #4) id 111arA-00052S-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:26:17 +0000 Received: from Gill (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:16:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 20:17:23 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out styles spec Message-ID: <431c831d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Peter van den Berg wrote: > In on Tue 06 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > > > > Is there any way of printing out a list of all styles > > used in a document, together with their specification (i.e. the > > summary you get in the 'Edit Style window')? > > Not exactly the summary of that window, but only the fonts and styles > used in that document. Is that what you are looking for? > > > Is this a case for an applet? > > Yes it is. > > > Or have I missed something? > > Yes you have. The applet which will do this is named !FontList. When > ticked, in the applets submenu, it drops a list of fonts and styles in > whatever texteditor you are using. In case you want all the fonts > available to print out, use !FontCat. One of these applets is in > http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/index.html ,the other in > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html . Well, perhaps I haven't. I have !FontList but that only tells me what fonts the document thinks it uses, not the a list of the styles which have been specified in the document. We might have, say 30-40 styles in any one document defining such things as quotes, bullet lists, text in marginal boxes etc. What we need is a comprehensive print out of all of these with the typespec, leading, tabs, indents, space before and after - everything indeed needed to specify the style. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 22:21:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99291 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 22:21:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931294494:10:17652:19; Tue, 06 Jul 99 20:54:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016946; 6 Jul 99 20:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01106 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:33:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01096 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:33:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111buB-0001n0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:33:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 99 21:09:01 GMT Message-Id: <99261@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> And I'd probably give some sort of protection to new purchasers, like >> they get the upgrade free. >This is what worries me a little. I bought O/Pro at the Wakefield Show, so >how do recent purchasers from Beebug fit into the scheme of this? Probably by setting a date, like 1/1/99, or perhaps a serial number, if your copy is before that you pay for the upgrade. After and you don't. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 6 22:21:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99298 for opro ; Tue, 06 Jul 99 22:21:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931295284:20:27775:79; Tue, 06 Jul 99 21:08:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027865; 6 Jul 99 21:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01104 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:33:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01090 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 21:33:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111bu9-0001n0-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:33:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 99 21:03:04 GMT Message-Id: <99259@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 and OvationPro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In the new regime, is the copy protection going to remain? In the medium term, yes it is. For one thing I've no way of getting rid of copy protection on the 2100 copies of OPro in use, other than doing a physical upgrade of the discs, and I'm not going to do that. New copies on sale from me will be 2.52's with the Beebug copy protection, that way very shortly everyone will be on the same version. What you need to understand is that only the !RunImage is copy protected, and only that has to be patched using the !Upgrade application. Grasp this and you can install 2.46->2.51 quite quickly. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 14:21:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99320 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:21:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931332469:20:18367:15; Wed, 07 Jul 99 07:27:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101201; 7 Jul 99 7:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA01835 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:13:41 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01830 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:13:27 +0100 Received: from stonar.demon.co.uk ([194.222.53.140] helo=unknown) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 111ltx-000Arm-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:13:53 +0000 From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 09:20:51 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: copy protection (was Ovation Pro and RiscOS 4) Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.17 [Linux/i386] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANT Fresco/1.73a; RISC OS 3.71) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro There is an unprotected version of 2.52 in existence. I have one. I paid 30m pounds for the 2.52 upgrade so that I could simply copy the upgrade over the net. Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 14:21:36 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99323 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:21:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931342218:20:04775:24; Wed, 07 Jul 99 10:10:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004787; 7 Jul 99 10:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA02005 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:59:55 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02000 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:59:39 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.68] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 111oPd-0004Aj-00; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 09:54:46 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:35:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 10:36:23 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection (was Ovation Pro and RiscOS 4) Message-ID: <11c1d11d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Martin Devon wrote: > There is an unprotected version of 2.52 in existence. I have one. I paid > 30m pounds for the 2.52 upgrade so that I could simply copy the upgrade > over the net. > 30 million pounds? Wow. Still, Ovation Pro is probably worth it! David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 14:21:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99325 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:21:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931343209:20:19252:34; Wed, 07 Jul 99 10:26:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108725; 7 Jul 99 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA02109 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:17:07 +0100 Received: from gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (gatee.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02101 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:16:54 +0100 Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP i Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:17:06 +0100 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <3MWP4LHL>; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:17:06 +0100 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA63A@W12WNXU01> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: copy protection (was Ovation Pro and RiscOS 4) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:16:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I thought '30m pounds' was 30milli pounds 3pence to you and me. 30M would be 30 million Regards, Michael -- Michael Hunter, Acorn and Ovation Pro User > -----Original Message----- > From: David Graddol [SMTP > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 10:36 AM > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: copy protection (was Ovation Pro and RiscOS 4) > > Martin Devon wrote: > > > There is an unprotected version of 2.52 in existence. I have one. I paid > > 30m pounds for the 2.52 upgrade so that I could simply copy the upgrade > > over the net. > > > > 30 million pounds? Wow. Still, Ovation Pro is probably worth > it! > > David > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 14:24:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99334 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:24:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931328758:10:10507:17; Wed, 07 Jul 99 06:25:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113606; 7 Jul 99 6:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA01707 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:13:12 +0100 Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01702 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:12:59 +0100 Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-pm07-02.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.228.130]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id HAA30609 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:13:25 +0100 Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 23:21:30 +0100 From: John Woodthorpe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RISC OS 4 and OvationPro Message-ID: References: <99259@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99259@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ArmLink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <99259@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > What you need to understand is that only the !RunImage is copy protected, > and only that has to be patched using the !Upgrade application. Grasp > this and you can install 2.46->2.51 quite quickly. Ah! I see. That doesn't sound too bad then - thanks. All I need is RISC OS 4 now! Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 14:24:33 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99337 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:24:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931345525:10:05265:47; Wed, 07 Jul 99 11:05:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005352; 7 Jul 99 11:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA02254 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:53:51 +0100 Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02249 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:53:39 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03114 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:54:08 +0100 From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:50:10 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: copy protection Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.17 [Linux/i386] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Whether millipounds, pounds or megapounds, it was worth it. The point is, presumably the unprotected version is now David's intellectual property and if he wishes it I could put the unprotected !RunImage 2.52 on a web site somewhere. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 14:24:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99338 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:24:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931345945:10:10289:73; Wed, 07 Jul 99 11:12:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010740; 7 Jul 99 11:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA02303 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:59:51 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA02298 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 11:59:39 +0100 Received: from [195.102.196.57] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 111pLi-0000cN-00; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 10:54:46 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:41:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:42:51 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: copy protection (was Ovation Pro and RiscOS 4) Message-ID: <1fd7d71d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA63A@W12WNXU01> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAA02299 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id LAB02303 At the risk of persuing a thread which is several times removed from being on-topic, lower-case m seems the standard abbreviation for a million (as opposed to Mega-units). So the UK has a population of 58.1m and a GDP of =A3788bn. So it seems that Martin Devon really did pay =A330 million for his upgrade of OvPro. A bit pricey, maybe, but not far short of the price of a plug-in that I have just been offered for Acrobat by a US company (and the plug-in doesn't even seem to do what I need it to, but it does come with an on-site training package!) David Mike Hunter wrote: > I thought '30m pounds' was 30milli pounds 3pence to you and me. >=20 > 30M would be 30 million >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Michael >=20 > -- =20 > Michael Hunter, Acorn and Ovation Pro User >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David Graddol [SMTP > > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 10:36 AM > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Subject: Re: copy protection (was Ovation Pro and RiscOS 4) > >=20 > > wrote: > >=20 > > > There is an unprotected version of 2.52 in existence. I have one. I= paid > > > 30m pounds for the 2.52 upgrade so that I could simply copy the upg= rade > > > over the net. > > >=20 > >=20 > > 30 million pounds? Wow. Still, Ovation Pro is probably worth > > it! > >=20 > > David > >=20 >=20 > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 16:30:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99363 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 16:30:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931358716:20:10383:20; Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:45:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010391; 7 Jul 99 14:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA02584 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:28:32 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA02579 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:28:17 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 111sgr-000OC4-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 14:28:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 99 14:28:54 GMT Message-Id: <99339@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >There is an unprotected version of 2.52 in existence. I have one. So the strategy is in ruins... >The point is, presumably the unprotected version is now David's >intellectual property and if he wishes it I could put the unprotected >!RunImage 2.52 on a web site somewhere. Did I mention I wouldn't have set off from here given the choice. Obviously putting the unprotected !RunImage on your web site, would invite legal action. Its the rules of the game you see, sure I can distribute 2.52 with zero hassle to myself and anyone else - stick it on a web site. But the rules say that if I do that I'll never make any money. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 20:35:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99369 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 20:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931361962:20:03557:25; Wed, 07 Jul 99 15:39:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129811; 7 Jul 99 15:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA02707 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:06:04 +0100 Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02702 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:05:51 +0100 Received: from unknown (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA11816 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:06:23 +0100 From: Martin Devon Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 15:59:35 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.17 [Linux/i386] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed, 07 Jul, David Pilling wrote: > >There is an unprotected version of 2.52 in existence. I have one. > > So the strategy is in ruins... > > >The point is, presumably the unprotected version is now David's > >intellectual property and if he wishes it I could put the unprotected > >!RunImage 2.52 on a web site somewhere. > > Did I mention I wouldn't have set off from here given the choice. > > Obviously putting the unprotected !RunImage on your web site, would invite > legal action. Indeed. That's why I haven't done it. > > Its the rules of the game you see, sure I can distribute 2.52 with zero > hassle to myself and anyone else - stick it on a web site. But the rules say > that if I do that I'll never make any money. > Have you considered the route Navaho has taken - 100 pounds a year single user or 1 pound per user per annum for >100 users, upgrades free. 2100 copies * 100 pounds...should put a bit of jam on your bread :) > -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 7 20:35:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99373 for opro ; Wed, 07 Jul 99 20:35:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931362987:20:20453:36; Wed, 07 Jul 99 15:56:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106728; 7 Jul 99 15:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA02788 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:40:06 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA02783 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 16:39:54 +0100 Received: from [212.238.40.189] (helo=pberg.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 111toA-0000xt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 7 Jul 1999 15:40:26 +0000 Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 22:57:57 +0200 (BST) From: Peter van den Berg Subject: Re: Printing out styles spec To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <431c831d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Thuis, achter m'n compu. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 06 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > > > Or have I missed something? > > > > Yes you have. > Well, perhaps I haven't. I have !FontList but that only tells me > what fonts the document thinks it uses, not the a list of the > styles which have been specified in the document. We might have, > say 30-40 styles in any one document defining such things as > quotes, bullet lists, text in marginal boxes etc. What we need is > a comprehensive print out of all of these with the typespec, > leading, tabs, indents, space before and after - everything > indeed needed to specify the style. Literally the 'Edit Style' box. You were quite right. I'm so sorry, you asked so much more than I was able to answer. As far as I am aware, no such thing is made yet. -- regards, @-@ L \-/ Peter ~ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 01:58:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99428 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 01:58:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931393791:20:06321:15; Thu, 08 Jul 99 00:29:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122852; 8 Jul 99 0:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA03342 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:20:18 +0100 Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz (tk2.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA03337 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 01:20:04 +0100 Received: from johnb.ihug.co.nz (p417-tnt2.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.109.255.162] (may be forged)) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id MAA23375 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:20:35 +1200 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:20:24 +1200 (GMT) From: John Brown Subject: Re: copy protection To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <99339@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: John Brown, Auckland, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 08 Jul, David Pilling wrote: [Deletions about unprotected copy(ies?) of OP v2.52] > Its the rules of the game you see, sure I can distribute 2.52 with zero > hassle to myself and anyone else - stick it on a web site. But the rules say > that if I do that I'll never make any money. I did read somewhere that the only amendments from 2.51 concern the !RunImage file (other files received with the one I now reply to!!). Is it this simple and, if so, would it be possible to put only that file (+slight additions?) on a web site, it presumably being uselesss without the rest of OP2.51? I ask because I long ago decided that the cost of the upgrade from 2.51 to 2.52 was not worth its cost to me for any additional facilities I would most probably want to use (none?). Nevertheless, I was one of the first to cheer when David announced his takeover of the OP system and I wish to support any moves he makes for chargeable upgrades etc via CD in the future. He not only deserves it for the work involved but for the way he has so handsomely treated people like myself in the past. So really, one would like to know, without equivocation, whether any future improvements would take equally well to 2.51 as to 2.52. This may sound a bit penny-pinching but I may have to be for a while since, today, I received a letter detailing costs for the purchase of RISC OS 4 and the fitting thereof (if required) here in Auckland!!! Not excessive but still rather a shock when all previous prices have been 'theoretical' pounds and are now converted to 'real' dollars + GST (=our VAT), and could deteriorate even further if the gold-selling is not curbed in its disastrous effects on our exchange rates!!! Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: the club cannot be held responsible. -- J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave | Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 13:25:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99454 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 13:25:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931400480:10:22321:15; Thu, 08 Jul 99 02:21:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106733; 8 Jul 99 2:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03547 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:09:37 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03533 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:09:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1123dB-0006T1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:09:46 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 99 02:29:19 GMT Message-Id: <99445@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I did read somewhere that the only amendments from 2.51 concern the >!RunImage file (other files received with the one I now reply to!!). True. >Is it this simple and, if so, would it be possible to put only that file >(+slight additions?) on a web site, it presumably being uselesss without the >rest of OP2.51? No, very devious people would just copy the new !RunImage into the demo version or whatever, and hello uncle bob... >myself in the past. So really, one would like to know, without equivocation, >whether any future improvements would take equally well to 2.51 as to 2.52. See the next posting... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 13:26:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99456 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 13:26:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931400784:10:24583:19; Thu, 08 Jul 99 02:26:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109297; 8 Jul 99 2:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03548 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:09:37 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA03537 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:09:08 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 1123dD-0006T1-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 02:09:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 99 02:33:58 GMT Message-Id: <99447@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Firstly the Opro web pages are now mirrored on both the web sites below. The netlink one does have much higher limits on bandwidth, so it'd help if some used that site. Secondly the OPro 2.51 upgrade page now has a patch that will convert 2.51 into 2.52. (note that as I've said before the changes from 2.51 to 2.52 are minute, so you don't have to rush and corrupt your copy of Opro right now - leave it for a rainy day. Also this patch is quite painless, it only changes the !RunImage, so you're not going to have to reconfigure loads of stuff as with previous patches) Finally the applets page now contains the ColourSupplement 1.04 (with manual - !Help inside it). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 13:26:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99463 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 13:26:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931430389:20:01301:23; Thu, 08 Jul 99 10:39:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001313; 8 Jul 99 10:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA03944 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:26:46 +0100 Received: from sinope.eclipse.net.uk (sinope.eclipse.net.uk [195.188.32.121]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA03939 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:26:32 +0100 Received: from StonarWeb (mail.stonar.wilts.sch.uk [212.104.133.17]) by sinope.eclipse.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA02608 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:27:04 +0100 From: Martin Devon Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 11:14:58 BST To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: copyright protection - payment for future development Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite v2.2.17 [Linux/i386] X-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.04 (compatible; ANTFresco/2.02; RISC OS 3.70) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a matter which has been discussed more or less ad nauseam, but here's another idea for someone to shoot down. We all need assurance of upgrades on a reasonably regular basis and David needs an assurance of income, also on a reasonably regular basis. Assuming for the moment that half of the 2100 copies are 'active'. Assume from that for the sake of a starting point that 30 pounds a year for a single-user copy (more for a net version) would raise a sufficient sum. Let David issue an annual invoice to each registered user for the following year's subscription. He will then know in advance how much income he has from OPro and therefore how much time he can devote to development during the next year, which is made available free of charge to paid-up users only. Perhaps upgrades could be put on a pass-word protected web-site, where a new password is issued to registered users for each new upgrade. Those who do not pay up will obviously not get any upgrades. The business of using protected discs may be acceptable for a single copy, but is impractical and unacceptable in places such as this, where a local image is kept on every networked machine. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School, Wiltshire http://www.stonar.wilts.sch.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 13:26:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99464 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 13:26:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931433319:10:17381:44; Thu, 08 Jul 99 11:28:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016446; 8 Jul 99 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04079 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:03:56 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04070 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:03:40 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JDBMVFCHIK0064C6@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:09:14 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 13:06:35 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: copyright protection - payment for future development In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <9657631e49.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Martin Devon wrote: > This is a matter which has been discussed more or less ad nauseam, > but here's another idea for someone to shoot down. > I'll try to shoot it up ;-) > We all need assurance of upgrades on a reasonably regular basis > and David needs an assurance of income, also on a reasonably regular > basis. > yup > Assuming for the moment that half of the 2100 copies are 'active'. Assume > from that for the sake of a starting point that 30 pounds a year for a > single-user copy (more for a net version) would raise a sufficient sum. > yup > Let David issue an annual invoice to each registered user for the > following year's subscription. He will then know in advance how > much income he has from OPro and therefore how much time he can devote > to development during the next year, which is made available free of charge > to paid-up users only. Perhaps upgrades could be put on a pass-word > protected web-site, where a new password is issued to registered users for > each new upgrade. Those who do not pay up will obviously not get any > upgrades. > yup > The business of using protected discs may be acceptable for a single copy, > but is impractical and unacceptable in places such as this, where a local > image is kept on every networked machine. > yup > I've yup'd a lot here but I've got some idea's also, they might be handy for this idea. I'm a betatester of Vantage and Vantage/Cerillica has a different way of copy protection. It works with a seperate program called Cerillikey. You install it once, you can do it from an emailed version. Every Cerillikey has it's own number etc and is easy to track down. You can easily copy both the Cerillikey and Vantage. But Vantage doesn't work without Cerillikey. So everyone using Vantage has a Cerillikey and every Cerillikey is registered. Isn't it a good idea to make some sort of PillingKey you get it when you buy OvationPro. Every upgrade can be send by mail/downloaded from the web or distributed by floppy/CDrom. There's no protection in either the upgrade or the original vesion so you can easily borrow a new version from a friend who has internet access. But you need to have your own PillingKey. The PillingKey isn't protected either so you can easily move Ovation from HD to HD and you don't have to install it everytime. I think it will work quite well together with the protected website/subscription idea. -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 21:32:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99507 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 21:32:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931457003:20:03021:15; Thu, 08 Jul 99 18:03:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002963; 8 Jul 99 18:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA04444 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:52:57 +0100 Received: from mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA04434 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 18:52:39 +0100 Received: from iserlohn.netsurf.de (hennen9.iserlohn.netsurf.de [194.195.194.201]) by mail.iserlohn.netsurf.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA20593 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:53:56 +0200 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:53:55 +0200 From: march To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: OPro 2.49g was Re: News Message-ID: <0a24831e49.march@fxweb.de> References: <99447@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99447@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <99447@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > Secondly the OPro 2.51 upgrade page now has a patch that will convert > 2.51 into 2.52. > > (note that as I've said before the changes from 2.51 to 2.52 are minute, > so you don't have to rush and corrupt your copy of Opro right now - leave it > for a rainy day. Also this patch is quite painless, it only changes > the !RunImage, so you're not going to have to reconfigure loads of stuff > as with previous patches) my congratulations and best wishes too to your decision to take over the OPro support and distribution. my question: the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour Supplement seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgrade to 2.52 from your website? best regards, march. -- saying your os is better because more people use it is like saying mcdonald's makes the best food in the world. www.riscos.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 22:16:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99528 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 22:16:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931466928:20:18709:55; Thu, 08 Jul 99 20:48:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018732; 8 Jul 99 20:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04725 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:36:47 +0100 Received: from sand2.global.net.uk (sand2.global.net.uk [195.147.246.100]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04720 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:36:35 +0100 Received: from p03s07a06.client.global.net.uk ([195.147.215.4] helo=eat.globalnet.co.uk) by sand2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 112Kv5-0007Eg-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:37:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim Crapnell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:24:40 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <491e90f12feat@nospam.globalnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99445@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <99445@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <99445@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >I did read somewhere that the only amendments from 2.51 concern the > >!RunImage file (other files received with the one I now reply to!!). > True. > >Is it this simple and, if so, would it be possible to put only that file > >(+slight additions?) on a web site, it presumably being uselesss without the > >rest of OP2.51? > No, very devious people would just copy the new !RunImage into the demo > version or whatever, and hello uncle bob... What about the way Iota do Datapower? Upgrades are available on the web and can be used to upgrade any properly installed copies, or the master disc. Tim Crapnell -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Sent to you from an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm Processor. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 22:43:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99539 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 22:43:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931469543:10:21417:18; Thu, 08 Jul 99 21:32:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129228; 8 Jul 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04862 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:17:21 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04857 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:17:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 112LYM-000Ozn-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:17:58 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 99 21:37:47 GMT Message-Id: <99515@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OPro 2.49g was Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour Supplement >seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. >is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgrade >to 2.52 from your website? I was talking to UCS last week about sorting out 2.52 - german. So I guess that will appear in due course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 8 22:43:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99540 for opro ; Thu, 08 Jul 99 22:43:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931469945:20:21227:74; Thu, 08 Jul 99 21:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123768; 8 Jul 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04911 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:27:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04906 for ; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:27:17 +0100 Received: from (193.149.75.223) [193.149.75.223] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 112Li6-0004Lu-00; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:28:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:23:16 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copyright protection - payment for future development Message-ID: <491E85D406%mik@xemik.com> References: X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Martin Devon wrote: > Assuming for the moment that half of the 2100 copies are 'active'. > Assume from that for the sake of a starting point that 30 pounds a year > for a single-user copy would raise a sufficient sum. I'd be happy with that, but when's my 12 month warranty run out? ;-) > Perhaps upgrades could be put on a pass-word protected web-site, where a > new password is issued to registered users for each new upgrade. Those who > do not pay up will obviously not get any upgrades. Wouldn't the David Pilling's scanning software approach work? IOW u/gs on the web using Freshen. -- A meeting is an event at which the minutes are kept and the hours are lost __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 22:43:16 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 112Lxb-0000Y6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:44:03 +0000 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 99 22:18:16 GMT Message-Id: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What about the way Iota do Datapower? Upgrades are available on the web and >can be used to upgrade any properly installed copies, or the master disc. Which makes me wonder if you could use the current patches on your release floppies. But I'd not recommend trying. Actually this malarky with always going back to 2.46 is not necessary. The current system would allow you to just go along from one version to the next, and thats how I intended to go forward. I think the point about the current Beebug system is that it exists now. As I keep saying, given the choice I'd not set off from here. My own preference would be for no copy protection, but I can't even do that because I'd have to create an install program, and that would take time. As soon as you invent any sort of copy protection, you just set up a challenge for people to break it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 21:07:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99600 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jul 99 21:07:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931540779:20:06201:20; Fri, 09 Jul 99 17:19:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005930; 9 Jul 99 17:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA05865 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:05:33 +0100 Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (dns1.teuto.net [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA05860 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:05:20 +0100 Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA14302 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:06:17 +0200 Message-Id: <199907091606.SAA14302@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 09 Jul 1999 07:29:19 GMT Subject: Re: OPro 2.49g was Re: News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > > >>the actual german version of OPro is 2.49g dated 03.03.98 and Colour Supplement >>seems to be 1.03 and i heard nothing of UCS since then. >>is there a decision to continue the german version or should i upgrade >>to 2.52 from your website? > >I was talking to UCS last week about sorting out 2.52 - german. So I guess >that will appear in due course. > This being the last day before our summer holiday I can only say that we will take that on in August. So please anybody don't hold Your breath ;) Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 9 21:07:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99602 for opro ; Fri, 09 Jul 99 21:07:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931542629:20:07389:20; Fri, 09 Jul 99 17:50:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007396; 9 Jul 99 17:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06017 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:28:30 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06012 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:28:18 +0100 Received: from (194.69.109.201) [194.69.109.201] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 112eSa-0003lm-00; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 18:29:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:17:11 +0100 Subject: Upgrade to 1.52 -- thanks Message-ID: <491ef3225ephilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have successfully upgraded Ovation Pro from 1.51 to 1.52 and I would like to thank you, David, for making upgrades available in this way. I had a serious problem with postal upgrades when my original Ovation Pro discs were lost in the post and eventually after well over a month returned to me from the Portsmouth (!) Dead Letter Office. What had happened was that the stamp had come off in the post somewhere. so the packet (which actually contained a cheque, was treated by the Post Office as undeliverable, even though the destination address was completely clear)!! I was really glad I got them back though, because I could see major problems if I needed to move Ovation to another HardDisc or machine. Ovation Plus is the only application I have which is not saved onto a back up hard disc in case my main hard disc breaks down. I will have to give Beebug some credit. They did send me a replacement set of discs, having traced my original order; but these would not load on my Risc Pc, although three were readable on an A5000 (which was not were I wanted them, but the fourth would not load on that machine either!!!). All I got from Beebug was a remark that my Risc Pc floppydisc drive was probably faulty and should be replaced. I find that a very small number of magazine discs fail to load on it (about one in a hundred and usually I have been able to get something out of the disc); and the floppy drive is really only used for magazine discs and new applications. Philip Hetherington * ... Hobbies were invented to keep men's minds off women-- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm now 81 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 10 01:47:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99611 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jul 99 01:46:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931551732:10:03524:16; Fri, 09 Jul 99 20:22:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003309; 9 Jul 99 20:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06256 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:11:38 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06251 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:11:27 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 112e82-000OmP-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:08:02 +0000 Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 19:07:00 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <99447@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, > Firstly the Opro web pages are now mirrored on both the web sites below. > The netlink one does have much higher limits on bandwidth, so it'd help > if some used that site. > > Secondly the OPro 2.51 upgrade page now has a patch that will convert > 2.51 into 2.52. > > (note that as I've said before the changes from 2.51 to 2.52 are minute, > so you don't have to rush and corrupt your copy of Opro right now - leave it > for a rainy day. Also this patch is quite painless, it only changes > the !RunImage, so you're not going to have to reconfigure loads of stuff > as with previous patches) I was one of the naive who thought that purchasing the upgrade from Beebug would ultimately help you! > > Finally the applets page now contains the ColourSupplement 1.04 (with manual - > !Help inside it). Thanks for this and all your continued work. > Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 10 01:47:24 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99618 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jul 99 01:47:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931560152:20:18936:18; Fri, 09 Jul 99 22:42:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018720; 9 Jul 99 22:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA06452 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:28:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA06447 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:28:14 +0100 Received: from userb616.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.83.91] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 112j8s-0001l7-00; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:29:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tanner Family To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:46:46 +0100 Subject: DDL Spec Message-ID: <491f1c4b55ttehtann@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is there one available? In idle moments I wonder about doing a DDL to RTF converter, but at the moment I'd be guessing at what some of the effects meant (such as the highly interesting looking "bullet" commands...) Regards (PC) / Love from (non PC but nicer) [delete as applicable] Thos -- T. R. Tanner email: ttehtann@argonet.co.uk web page: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ttehtann Warning: Here be random taglines! .... It's not in the manual !!!!! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jul 10 17:30:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99662 for opro ; Sat, 10 Jul 99 17:30:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931622763:10:07574:24; Sat, 10 Jul 99 16:06:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127993; 10 Jul 99 16:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06966 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:56:36 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA06961 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:56:23 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-236 (tnt-1-236.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.236]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D5371D93C for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:33 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:31:17 +0100 From: dmorrell To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing out styles spec Message-ID: References: <431c831d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <431c831d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.60) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <431c831d49%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> David Graddol wrote: > Peter van den Berg wrote: > > > In on Tue 06 Jul, David Graddol wrote: > > > > > > Is there any way of printing out a list of all styles > > > used in a document, together with their specification (i.e. the > > > summary you get in the 'Edit Style window')? > > > > Not exactly the summary of that window, but only the fonts and styles > > used in that document. Is that what you are looking for? > > > > > Is this a case for an applet? > > > > Yes it is. > > > > > Or have I missed something? > > > > Yes you have. The applet which will do this is named !FontList. When > > ticked, in the applets submenu, it drops a list of fonts and styles in > > whatever texteditor you are using. In case you want all the fonts > > available to print out, use !FontCat. One of these applets is in > > http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro/applets/index.html ,the other in > > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html . > > Well, perhaps I haven't. I have !FontList but that only tells me > what fonts the document thinks it uses, not the a list of the > styles which have been specified in the document. We might have, > say 30-40 styles in any one document defining such things as > quotes, bullet lists, text in marginal boxes etc. What we need is > a comprehensive print out of all of these with the typespec, > leading, tabs, indents, space before and after - everything > indeed needed to specify the style. > > David One possibility is to grab the edit styles box using !Paint or a window grabber and print that out but with that many styles it could take more time than writing it out. Dave -- Dave Morrell -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:13:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99665 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:12:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931626362:20:12400:27; Sat, 10 Jul 99 17:06:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109289; 10 Jul 99 17:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA07098 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:57:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA07093 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:56:54 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.129) [193.149.85.129] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1130Rp-0003Xc-00; Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:57:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:40:01 +0100 X-Organization: 4QD, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Manuals etc Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been watching the comments and the news about O Pro! The heartening thing (to me) is that Dave has exhibited clear confidence in the future of RiscOS by negotiating such a deal. But it is clear to me that we all need to do as much as we can to expand awareness of RiscOS and hopefully enlarge the userbase. As to manuals: there is a clear and present danger because programmers as a whole cannot write instructions! As it happens I count DP as about the only known exception to this rule! I have a suggestion as to the direction instructions should go: as an example (and to prove a point) I am currently writing a page which may be of interest. I'd appreciate any feedback (and help - but that's off topic to this list). My criticism of the existing O-Pro manual is mainly that it mentions features without a clear indication as to where on the various Menus they may be found. Otherwise I found it surprisingly readable. One thing I would suggest - if a manual is made to be readable, it encourages users to read it, ssveral times. I find with a manual done thus, more is learned on each reading! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:13:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99673 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:13:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931715099:10:29362:26; Sun, 11 Jul 99 17:44:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118104; 11 Jul 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA08031 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:35:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08026 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:35:04 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.213) [193.149.72.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113NWd-0000hX-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:36:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:22:59 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <49200bd0fcsteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > My own preference would be for no copy protection, but I can't even do > that because I'd have to create an install program, and that would take > time. Rash thoughts David, leave the copy protection alone. Not everyone out here is honest enough to cough up for your work. * SteveP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:14:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99681 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:14:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931729512:10:23439:15; Sun, 11 Jul 99 21:45:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110460; 11 Jul 99 21:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08217 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:34:08 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08212 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:33:53 +0100 Received: from moor-lane.demon.co.uk ([194.222.185.234]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 113RFn-000Ivs-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:35:20 +0000 Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 07:41:00 +0100 (BST) From: allan harris Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 04 Jul, James White wrote: > On Fri 02 Jul, allan harris wrote: > > I think the idea of a subscription is an excellent one but > > it relies on feedback and support. > > > > Had the last 'OPUS' magazine this week, the newsletter of the > > Sibelius user group and that has folded for lack of support. > > > > For 'lack of support' read 'disinterest in a PC setup', not a situation > that remotely applies to DP and OP :-) > > anyway the Sib7 maillist continues without interruption, indicating that > a sufficiently large number of users have not gone PC - 400 in NZ and > OZ alone, it seems. > > On another subject, I have an unsold copy of OP v.2.43 + Colour > Supplement. How do I upgrade this now, David? > > JW > By 'lack of support' I was referring to the low return of editorial content for the magazine rather than lack of interest in the RiscOS program. It seems a real shame that Sibelius seem to have no plans to upgrade the Acorn version. -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO32 2PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:14:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99682 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:14:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931731211:10:07917:17; Sun, 11 Jul 99 22:13:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115830; 11 Jul 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08359 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:04:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA08347 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:03:46 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.219) [193.149.72.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113Rig-0004ce-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:05:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Partridge To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:18:01 +0100 Message-ID: <49202155e2rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing problem In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Roger Foden wrote: > On Mon 21 Jun 1999 (17:16:12 +0100), michael@mlowe.prestel.co.uk > wrote: > > .......... > > Then a larger version was required, scale 180 aspect 90. This > > printed out on the LaserDirect correctly. However, the Epson 600 > > wasn't happy, some of the text was shifted downwards in the > > frame. > This seems to be a known problem with OPro and possibly Impression. > It is probably due to a bug in the !Printers application as it is > seen only in printout using !Printers. I get the same problem with a Calligraph, which doesn't use !Printers, and I don't remember noticing it when I produced similar material using Impression. It's a real nuisance when making A4 and A5 versions of the same handbill, and I find I get best results by making the A5 version (of which we need most) in the first place and scaling up for A4. Regards, Richard Partridge. -- rkpartridge@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:15:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99686 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:15:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931765876:10:20686:20; Mon, 12 Jul 99 07:51:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127637; 12 Jul 99 7:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08891 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:41:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA08886 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:41:21 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.227) [193.149.78.227] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113aiJ-0001Ky-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:41:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Torrens) To: ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk, ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 08:32:15 +0100 X-Organization: 4QD, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Msg for Michael Clark re Manuals etc Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 10 Jul 1999 (17:40:01 +0100), richard@4qd.co.uk wrote: > I have a suggestion as to the direction instructions should go: as an > example (and to prove a point) I am currently writing a page which may > be of interest. > > Argonet had a problem at the w/e: all uploads got an error 'No space on this server'. Will try to upload this p.m. A copy of the txt sent to mclark@sthrn.co.nz got bounced twice: unknown mail domain! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Torrens 4QD manufacture speed controllers for battery electric motors. www site http://www.4QD.co.uk ---------- We use an Acorn RISC-PC 32 bit RISC computer ---------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:15:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99693 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:15:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931676877:20:06067:21; Sun, 11 Jul 99 07:07:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115368; 11 Jul 99 7:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA07656 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:58:36 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA07651 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:58:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 24054 invoked from network); 11 Jul 1999 06:59:40 -0000 Received: from 66-194.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO kbamford.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.194) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 1999 06:59:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:53:59 +0100 (BST) From: Keith Bamford Subject: Re: Manuals etc To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 10 Jul, Richard Torrens wrote: > I've been watching the comments and the news about O Pro! > > The heartening thing (to me) is that Dave has exhibited clear confidence in the > future of RiscOS by negotiating such a deal. But it is clear to me that we all > need to do as much as we can to expand awareness of RiscOS and hopefully > enlarge the userbase. > > As to manuals: there is a clear and present danger because programmers as a > whole cannot write instructions! > > My criticism of the existing O-Pro manual is mainly that it mentions features > without a clear indication as to where on the various Menus they may be found. > Otherwise I found it surprisingly readable. > > One thing I would suggest - if a manual is made to be readable, it encourages > users to read it, ssveral times. I find with a manual done thus, more is > learned on each reading! I agree entirely. I think the OP manual is very good in that it is clear, which is helped by its being printed in a serif font unlike many which are harder to read in Arial or similar non serif fonts, well indexed and easy to use. It is always important to have any such document read by an expert in the use of English, grammar, syntax and style, who may not perhaps very knowledgeable about computing. The standards of document writing, newsletters, etc is dropping day by day, being composed of 'management jargon' where every noun becomes a verb (eg. diarise recently came to my notice, sounds like an unpleasant illness) and what about the misplaced apostrophes which are now endemic (a recent one is banana's). Keith -- Keith Bamford mailto:kbamford@eurobell.co.uk Why not visit http://www.wyg-roada.freeserve.co.uk http://www.roada.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:16:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99704 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:16:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931816406:10:01573:19; Mon, 12 Jul 99 21:53:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110175; 12 Jul 99 21:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10305 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:41:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA10300 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:41:42 +0100 Received: from (193.149.91.140) [193.149.91.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113npd-0002x5-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 22:41:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 19:47:44 +0100 From: Mik Towse To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <4920976986%mik@xemik.com> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Xemik Solutions! Ltd User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap 1.42, ZapEmail 0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > What about the way Iota do Datapower? Upgrades are available on the web > > and can be used to upgrade any properly installed copies, or the master > > disc. > Which makes me wonder if you could use the current patches on > your release floppies. But I'd not recommend trying. How about distributing the whole lot on CD? Less ppl (altho' still quite a few these days) have access to CD-writers than s/w disk copiers. U/gs could be web-based using Freshen. > As soon as you invent any sort of copy protection, you just set up a > challenge for people to break it. But half the time they don't need to. If they can copy the disks anyway, what's the point? IME the best copy protection is a good (large?) paper manual, supporting excellent s/w sold at a reasonable price. BTW I'm not sure about the email address, David, I keep reading it as Opra. ;-) -- All true wisdom is found on T-shirts __ __ _ _ _____ | \/ (_) | __ |_ _|____ __ _____ ___ | |\/| | | |/ / | |/ _ \ V V (_-; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:02:48 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.67) [193.149.72.67] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113Rhl-0004bg-00; Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:04:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:58:57 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > As soon as you invent any sort of copy protection, you just set up a > challenge for people to break it. In my experience some forms of copy protection can be a pain for legitimate users. I had Iota Animator and Circle's Impact on my internal SCSI drive. Whilst away at Reflex the lads there removed the drive for testing on another machine. When I got it back neither Animator or Impact would run. Impact successfully un-installed and restored the credit on my master, from where I could then re-install Impact. Well done John. Animator on the other hand insisted that it could not be installed on my drive, when I was trying to uninstall it. :-( Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy protection does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than 4. Which with SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. Interesting. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:20:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99712 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:20:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931771994:20:00786:17; Mon, 12 Jul 99 09:33:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000113; 12 Jul 99 9:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA09276 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:23:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA09271 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:22:54 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [194.69.105.81] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113cId-0002la-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 10:22:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:36:29 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith wrote: [snip] > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that > Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy protection > does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than 4. Which with > SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. Interesting. Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC OS4. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:21:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99718 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:21:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931786542:20:22795:19; Mon, 12 Jul 99 13:35:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101074; 12 Jul 99 13:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA09572 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:18:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA09566 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:18:09 +0100 Received: from (193.149.83.251) [193.149.83.251] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113fyJ-0007k2-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:18:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:53:27 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <492076f9edlionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> <49202e02f9rayd@arg User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as > part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC OS4. Indeed (and I understand that things are now getting off OP but there may be lessons here), that is exactly what leads to the situation I have described. As far as I understand it with information with somebody very clued up at Iota, that is precisely what Iota's copy protection does. Not good IMHO. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:21:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99719 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:21:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931787205:20:01803:15; Mon, 12 Jul 99 13:46:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001747; 12 Jul 99 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA09683 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA09678 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:03 +0100 Received: from (193.149.84.62) [193.149.84.62] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113gDh-0000Bx-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:34:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:31:56 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <49207a7ff6lionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> <49202e02f9rayd@arg User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, > Lionel Smith wrote: > [snip] > > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that > > Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy protection > > does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than 4. Which with > > SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. Interesting. > Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as > part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC OS4. > Cheers, > Ray D > -- > .===================================. > | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 > | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk > '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:21:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99723 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:21:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931800017:20:08264:100; Mon, 12 Jul 99 17:20:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008480; 12 Jul 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA09914 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:10:29 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA09909 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:10:17 +0100 Received: from modem-67.copper.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.14.67] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 113jar-0006tW-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:10:25 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 18:07:48 +0100 (BST) From: W J Murphy Subject: Re: copy protection To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 12 Jul, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, > Lionel Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that > > Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy protection > > does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than 4. Which with > > SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. Interesting. > > Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as > part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC OS4. Iota's current installer will work with Hard drives numbered less than 4 and it does not corrupt the hard disc. The protection works by putting a file onto the hard disc that includes its own disc address (in coded form) and the program will only work if the file DataP is on the hard disc at the address specified. This information does not come from having cracked the protect but from observing that copying the program to another directory will result in both copies working properly but deleting the original will result the copy ceasing to work. The disc space using by the original is still usable. If the space used by DataP had been currupted it would not be possible to delete it. If installed to a floppy disc it corrupts track one of the floppy instead as the above method would not work there if the disc was backed-up. -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 12 23:23:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99727 for opro ; Mon, 12 Jul 99 23:23:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931808108:20:27522:89; Mon, 12 Jul 99 19:35:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101981; 12 Jul 99 19:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA10075 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:18:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA10070 for ; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:18:34 +0100 Received: from (193.149.78.134) [193.149.78.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113lb9-0006So-00; Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:18:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 20:08:48 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <4920995755bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> References: <99530@pilling.demon.co.uk> <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith wrote: [snip] > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe > that Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy > protection does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than > 4. Which with SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Power-tec too. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 14:23:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA99770 for opro ; Tue, 13 Jul 99 14:23:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 931854451:10:18054:48; Tue, 13 Jul 99 08:27:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128447; 13 Jul 99 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA10813 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:21:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA10808 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:21:23 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [62.188.137.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 113xoo-0001rm-00; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 09:21:39 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 13:24:01 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <30c6792049%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, > Lionel Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that > > Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy protection > > does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than 4. Which with > > SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. Interesting. > > Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as > part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC OS4. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > Providing you uninstall DataPower before upgrading to RO4, and then reinstall afterwards, there isn't a problem. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 21:10:56 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11913 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:10:56 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA11908 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 21:10:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 2240 invoked from network); 13 Jul 1999 20:11:03 -0000 Received: from userae27.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (62.188.131.169) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 1999 20:11:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:47:52 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection Message-ID: <49211b425ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <30c6792049%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> References: <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> <30c6792049%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <30c6792049%ovationpro@levens.co.uk>, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith > > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that > > > Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy > > > protection does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than > > > 4. Which with SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. > > > Interesting. > > > > Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as > > part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC > > OS4. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray D > > > Providing you uninstall DataPower before upgrading to RO4, and then > reinstall afterwards, there isn't a problem. > benji Yea... but iceberg tips... I intend to upgrade to RO4... but I have a lot of apps that have (insert appropriate Anglo Saxon here, as I'm explicitly forbidden expletives), various forms of protection. Moving stuff is going to be a nightmare of immense proportions. EasyFont Pro, EasyClip, Ovation Pro, Publisher etc etc etc.... Gordon Bennett, this is getting as bad as using a PC. It does beg the question... Do we want to bother...? Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 13 23:25:29 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA11991 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:25:29 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net (mail1-gui.server.which.net [194.168.97.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11985 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:25:17 +0100 Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.180]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA25064 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 1999 23:28:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 17:26:59 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: auto linked frames for label printing To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Most of what needs to be said about designing a master page full of smaller frames, which has the first and last small frames 'auto-linked' so that additional pages appear automatically, has been said already. However, I had still been having a little bother in succeeding to produce such a page until I noticed the following. Despite auto linking correctly and getting the green arrow headed line between relevant small frames on the master page, text would still not flow into a second page. Through experimentation, I discovered that the default document is already linked to itself, so, I suspect, that it will replicate itself. To solve my problem, after opening up a new document, I went to the master page and removed the pre-existing 'link'. I then drew the small frames on the master page, linked them together, made the auto link and closed the master page. This now works correctly. Has anyone else had this problem? Does the guidance already explain about this somewhere, if so I cannot find it! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 15 20:27:21 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13760 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:27:21 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13755 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:27:08 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-12.access.ch [195.112.93.140]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19705; Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:27:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:43:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L cc: Mr David Pilling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To all on this mailing list: Greetings! David Pilling will want to present an up-to-date manual for OvPro. Some information is present about mistakes, omissions or whatever on the old manual. But actually it is not clear how precise this information is. May I therefore ask all readers of this mailing list to send to me directly ( email: janvredenb@access.ch ) all comments and/or corrections that you ever sent to Beebug or J.Wallace or Ian MacDougall regarding corrections on the OvPro manual. May I ask that you present this info as follows: - state page number, chapter nr and section nr. - state main topic - eventually state what wording needs correcting and then state the correct wording (example: wordz m/b words, nife m/b knife, etc.) - or simply state what additional text should be included or changed. **And please do not change the subject of these mailings.** This way we can give David Pilling more time for programming OvPro and we all get an up-to-date manual. Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 16 14:31:39 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA14230 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:31:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14225 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:31:22 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.72.148] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 115866-0007Rj-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:32:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:31:21 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Levens Software - Holiday Message-ID: <67ca892249%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <30c6792049%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro My utmost apologies to everyone awaiting updated versions of our applets, but I have been in discussion with most people in the RiscOS world with regards to becoming a dealer for the Midlands. I have also been working on a new website, but I am going away for two weeks and have been unable to complete it. I am rather restricted for time, so the new applets haven't been uploaded either. As soon as I come back the new site should be ready to upload including new List and Matched pairs applets. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 16 15:00:29 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA14259 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:00:29 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA14254 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:00:17 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.125) [193.149.70.125] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 1158Y6-00009L-00; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 15:01:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 16 Jul 99 14:47:53 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Manuals etc Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 11 Jul 99 (07:53:59 +0100), kbamford@eurobell.co.uk wrote: >where every noun becomes > a verb (eg. diarise recently came to my notice, sounds like an >unpleasant illness) > Apparently an American linguist, who was being interviewed on Radio 4, responded to a comment about this practise with the comment 'Oh yes, there aren't many nouns that can't be verbed' :-) (Sorry, off topic, but I couldn't resist!) Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jul 18 10:54:45 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA15490 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:54:45 +0100 Received: from red.paston.co.uk (red.paston.co.uk [195.89.168.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA15485 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:54:33 +0100 Received: from net17.paston.co.uk ([195.89.168.145] HELO thilm.paston.co.uk ident: NO-IDENT-SERVICE [port 1048]) by red.paston.co.uk with SMTP id <843650-5434>; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:56:40 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 10:55:30 +0100 (BST) From: "T C & A H Pegg, THILMCRAFT" Subject: Not receiving news? To: Ovation Pro Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi Has something happened in general or only in particular to me? I have not received any communications from ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk for several days now. If this is general, then my abject apologies for causing further disruption to whoever is trying their best to get things going again. If it is only particular to me could someone please email to let me know? I would therefore presume that I would resubscibe? Many thanks for any help. -- Hilary & Tim Pegg THILMCRAFT, Dereham Digital Centre, Wellington, Dereham, Norfolk NR19 2AZ www.ecn.co.uk/netspace/dereham Tel. No: +44(0)1362 691690 Fax. No: +44(0)1362 699664 ISDN No: +44(0)1362 690108 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sun Jul 18 13:49:04 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15620 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:49:04 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15615 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:48:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 15546 invoked from network); 18 Jul 1999 12:50:13 -0000 Received: from userl840.uk.uudial.com (HELO localhost) (193.149.76.145) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 1999 12:50:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roy Gillard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:38:05 +0100 Subject: Chapter/Page numbers Message-ID: <49238c95a3roy.matra@ukgateway.net> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've had Ovation Pro for many months, but it was not really usable on my A5000 since I produce a bimonthly magazine which was too large for it's memory, and had to stick to Publisher (which didn't require the whole document in memory). Consequently I've only recently started trying using it now I have a RiscPC, and have a little more memory! After years of Impression I've found some things annoying (like no Ctrl-S for swap-case) and others difficult to find if at all, or learn, which is making life difficult when I barely have two months between issues! First question: is there an FAQ somewhere? If not, I hope I can use this maillist to find answers to the things I cannot find. e.g. Can I change/configure the program to use Ctrl-S for swap-case, which I also use in other programs so I *don't* wish to change, as when I've tried it still does a spell check! Also I have two A5 pages on screen side by side and even if I select the right hand page, the box (below the one telling you what type of frame you have selected) still shows the chapter and page number of the *left hand page* which has caused me to insert pages in the wrong place or worse to delete the wrong page. Can this be made to show the correct numbers? Until I'm sure this is the right place to ask, I'll leave other things till later! I have the latest v2.52 and 1.04 colour supp. and a StrongArm RPC. Thanks for any help. Regards, Roy -- Acorn StrongArm RISC Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roy.matra/ roy.matra@ukgateway.net or roy.matra@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 19 17:29:38 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16772 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:29:38 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA16764 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:29:18 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-08.access.ch [195.112.93.136]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA30946; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:29:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:02:36 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L cc: Mr David Pilling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To all on this mailing list: The following message I sent out 15 Jul 1999 seems to have got lost so it is hereby repeated. Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 20:43:50 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L Cc: Mr David Pilling To all on this mailing list: Greetings! David Pilling will want to present an up-to-date manual for OvPro. Some information is present about mistakes, omissions or whatever on the old manual. But actually it is not clear how precise this information is. May I therefore ask all readers of this mailing list to send to me directly ( email: janvredenb@access.ch ) all comments and/or corrections that you ever sent to Beebug or J.Wallace or Ian MacDougall regarding corrections on the OvPro manual. May I ask that you present this info as follows: - state page number, chapter nr and section nr. - state main topic - eventually state what wording needs correcting and then state the correct wording (example: wordz m/b words, nife m/b knife, etc.) - or simply state what additional text should be included or changed. **And please do not change the subject of these mailings.** This way we can give David Pilling more time for programming OvPro and we all get an up-to-date manual. Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 07:29:11 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA17119 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:29:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17114 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:28:59 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.230) [193.149.70.230] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 116TOr-000413-00; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 07:29:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:35:53 +0100 Subject: No current file Message-ID: <49243c2a5bphilhet@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11o (RISC-OS/3.70) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Since I upgraded to 1.52 recently using the downloads from the website I am getting a message "no current file" when I click on an ovation file and OvationPro is not loaded, or when I first load Ovation. The loading procedure goes as far as putting up the error message "no current file". On clicking on the "Continue" icon on the message the file then proceeds to load. Once the Ovation Icon is on the icon bar other ovation files load directly as normal. Have I ticked something I didn't want in setting up. Philip Hetherington * ... The grass may look greener on the other side of the fence; but it isn't. -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm now 81 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 11:33:59 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA17267 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:33:59 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA17262 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:33:44 +0100 Received: from [195.102.198.208] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #4) id 116XC8-0003la-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:32:20 +0000 Received: from english (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:31:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:32:56 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Joining OvPro files Message-ID: <83cc882449%David@Gill.english.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there any way of inserting one OvPro file into another? Or at least creating a single file from two OvPro documents? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jul 20 15:54:53 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA17433 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:54:53 +0100 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk (mail5.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA17428 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:54:42 +0100 Received: from [62.136.206.78] (helo=evanallen.freeserve.co.uk) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 116bIM-0006e2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:55:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:35:20 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Not had any news from this list for a while is it still going? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.evanallen.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 03:35:55 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA17965 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 03:35:55 +0100 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100149 for david ; Tue, 20 Jul 99 22:54:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932401783:10:01932:47; Mon, 19 Jul 99 16:29:43 GMT Received: from mailout.access.ch ([195.112.71.160]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002187; 19 Jul 99 16:29 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-08.access.ch [195.112.93.136]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA30946; Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:29:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:02:36 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro To all on this mailing list: Greetings! David Pilling will want to present an up-to-date manual for OvPro. Some information is present about mistakes, omissions or whatever on the old manual. But actually it is not clear how precise this information is. May I therefore ask all readers of this mailing list to send to me directly ( email: janvredenb@access.ch ) all comments and/or corrections that you ever sent to Beebug or J.Wallace or Ian MacDougall regarding corrections on the OvPro manual. May I ask that you present this info as follows: - state page number, chapter nr and section nr. - state main topic - eventually state what wording needs correcting and then state the correct wording (example: wordz m/b words, nife m/b knife, etc.) - or simply state what additional text should be included or changed. **And please do not change the subject of these mailings.** This way we can give David Pilling more time for programming OvPro and we all get an up-to-date manual. Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) . -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 09:53:40 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18082 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:40 +0100 Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18077 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:27 +0100 Received: from lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk ([130.88.24.57]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 116s8S-000ALh-00; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:56 +0100 Message-Id: <27107.199907210853@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.3 3/22/99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Postscript printing problem Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:53:39 +0100 From: Roger Noble Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone come across this problem before? Yesterday I printed the last two pages of a document to a postscript file. One of these pages contained an Artworks graphic containing a linear fill. Printing from the postscript file failed, and further investigation with Ghostscript showed that it was failing because "linearfill" was not defined. Comparing the postscript to that generated when the entire document was printed, it appears that a whole block of postscript defs was missing (which included the def for linearfill). The block appears to be generated irrespective of whether a linear fill is actually being used. It looks like the block is only being generated if the whole document is printed and not if only part of it is, though I guess that you would only see a failure if the graphic actually needed something defined in the missing postscript block. Roger Noble -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 10:07:16 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18118 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:07:16 +0100 Received: from jaguars.cableinet.net (jaguars-int.cableinet.net [193.38.113.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA18113 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:07:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 17077 invoked from network); 21 Jul 1999 07:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (194.117.138.246) by jaguars with SMTP; 21 Jul 1999 07:49:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:06:28 +0100 Message-ID: <492504b463bob.hughes@cableinet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Reopening a closed document Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R This will no doubt cause some merriment and also reveal how thick I am. I am currently transferring my Impression documents to OVpro.Being used to impression and not ovpro, if I close an Ovpro document does it have to be reloaded or is there a new view feature to reopen it from the icon bar/menu without reloading it ?? TIA -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jul 21 14:16:52 1999 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18291 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:16:52 +0100 Received: from ncserver.itcentre ([195.226.133.50]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18286 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:16:34 +0100 Received: from Wesley.itcentre (Wesley [1.104.155.24]) by ncserver.itcentre (8.9.1a/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA25459 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:15:18 GMT Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:17:51 +0100 (BST) From: "Guernsey IT Centre (Site)" Subject: from Ov to Word? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <99447@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, FAX (+44) 0148166352 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help. Got to get an ovation doc with diagrams into Word for someone going for a doctorate. Any ideas on Ovation to Word?? TIA -- V. Lane IT Support Teacher Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, 49 30N 2 37W email:- vlane@itcentre.guernsey.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 18:06:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100364 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jul 99 18:06:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932651740:20:20065:48; Thu, 22 Jul 99 13:55:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123608; 22 Jul 99 13:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19631 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:40:20 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA19626 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:40:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117J5e-000L0m-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:40:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 99 13:58:33 GMT Message-Id: <100350@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: resumption of service X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi, Between the 13th July, and now (we hope) postings to the OvationPro list have not been mailed out to subscribers. Sorry about that, technical problems... In fact the postings which there have been, have been archived as usual on the Barnet ftp site. So what I'll probably do is post a collection of the missing postings, as one message. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 22:21:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100387 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jul 99 22:21:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932667989:10:14418:17; Thu, 22 Jul 99 18:26:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124827; 22 Jul 99 18:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA19871 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:13:58 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19866 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 19:13:47 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117NMV-0008os-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:14:31 +0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 99 19:07:50 GMT Message-Id: <100382@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Missing mail X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:47:52 +0100 Subject: Re: copy protection In article <30c6792049%ovationpro@levens.co.uk>, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message <49202e02f9rayd@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > > In article <492025152elionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith > > wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > Iota did replace my master disc without fuss though. I believe that > > > Datapower 2 will exhibit similar behaviour. Also Iota's copy > > > protection does not like, so I was told, drives numbered less than > > > 4. Which with SCSIs on Castle or Cumana hosts is quite possible. > > > Interesting. > > > > Datapower's copy protection also apparently corrupts the hard drive as > > part of its operation. I wonder how this affects it's use with RISC > > OS4. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ray D > > > Providing you uninstall DataPower before upgrading to RO4, and then > reinstall afterwards, there isn't a problem. > benji Yea... but iceberg tips... I intend to upgrade to RO4... but I have a lot of apps that have (insert appropriate Anglo Saxon here, as I'm explicitly forbidden expletives), various forms of protection. Moving stuff is going to be a nightmare of immense proportions. EasyFont Pro, EasyClip, Ovation Pro, Publisher etc etc etc.... Gordon Bennett, this is getting as bad as using a PC. It does beg the question... Do we want to bother...? Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net From: John Waddell Subject: auto linked frames for label printing To: Ovation mail list Most of what needs to be said about designing a master page full of smaller frames, which has the first and last small frames 'auto-linked' so that additional pages appear automatically, has been said already. However, I had still been having a little bother in succeeding to produce such a page until I noticed the following. Despite auto linking correctly and getting the green arrow headed line between relevant small frames on the master page, text would still not flow into a second page. Through experimentation, I discovered that the default document is already linked to itself, so, I suspect, that it will replicate itself. To solve my problem, after opening up a new document, I went to the master page and removed the pre-existing 'link'. I then drew the small frames on the master page, linked them together, made the auto link and closed the master page. This now works correctly. Has anyone else had this problem? Does the guidance already explain about this somewhere, if so I cannot find it! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: The new OvPro manual To: OVATIONP-L To all on this mailing list: Greetings! David Pilling will want to present an up-to-date manual for OvPro. Some information is present about mistakes, omissions or whatever on the old manual. But actually it is not clear how precise this information is. May I therefore ask all readers of this mailing list to send to me directly ( email: janvredenb@access.ch ) all comments and/or corrections that you ever sent to Beebug or J.Wallace or Ian MacDougall regarding corrections on the OvPro manual. May I ask that you present this info as follows: - state page number, chapter nr and section nr. - state main topic - eventually state what wording needs correcting and then state the correct wording (example: wordz m/b words, nife m/b knife, etc.) - or simply state what additional text should be included or changed. **And please do not change the subject of these mailings.** This way we can give David Pilling more time for programming OvPro and we all get an up-to-date manual. Do not worry, the new manual on disc will be in A4 format giving an excellent "pamphlet" sized print. Regards, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Levens Software - Holiday My utmost apologies to everyone awaiting updated versions of our applets, but I have been in discussion with most people in the RiscOS world with regards to becoming a dealer for the Midlands. I have also been working on a new website, but I am going away for two weeks and have been unable to complete it. I am rather restricted for time, so the new applets haven't been uploaded either. As soon as I come back the new site should be ready to upload including new List and Matched pairs applets. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Manuals etc On Sun 11 Jul 99 (07:53:59 +0100), kbamford@eurobell.co.uk wrote: >where every noun becomes > a verb (eg. diarise recently came to my notice, sounds like an >unpleasant illness) > Apparently an American linguist, who was being interviewed on Radio 4, responded to a comment about this practise with the comment 'Oh yes, there aren't many nouns that can't be verbed' :-) (Sorry, off topic, but I couldn't resist!) Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk From: Roy Gillard To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999 13:38:05 +0100 Subject: Chapter/Page numbers I've had Ovation Pro for many months, but it was not really usable on my A5000 since I produce a bimonthly magazine which was too large for it's memory, and had to stick to Publisher (which didn't require the whole document in memory). Consequently I've only recently started trying using it now I have a RiscPC, and have a little more memory! After years of Impression I've found some things annoying (like no Ctrl-S for swap-case) and others difficult to find if at all, or learn, which is making life difficult when I barely have two months between issues! First question: is there an FAQ somewhere? If not, I hope I can use this maillist to find answers to the things I cannot find. e.g. Can I change/configure the program to use Ctrl-S for swap-case, which I also use in other programs so I *don't* wish to change, as when I've tried it still does a spell check! Also I have two A5 pages on screen side by side and even if I select the right hand page, the box (below the one telling you what type of frame you have selected) still shows the chapter and page number of the *left hand page* which has caused me to insert pages in the wrong place or worse to delete the wrong page. Can this be made to show the correct numbers? Until I'm sure this is the right place to ask, I'll leave other things till later! I have the latest v2.52 and 1.04 colour supp. and a StrongArm RPC. Thanks for any help. Regards, Roy -- Acorn StrongArm RISC Computers for speed and reliability Psion Palmtops for speed, reliability and portability http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/roy.matra/ roy.matra@ukgateway.net or roy.matra@argonet.co.uk From: Philip Hetherington To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 21:35:53 +0100 Subject: No current file Since I upgraded to 1.52 recently using the downloads from the website I am getting a message "no current file" when I click on an ovation file and OvationPro is not loaded, or when I first load Ovation. The loading procedure goes as far as putting up the error message "no current file". On clicking on the "Continue" icon on the message the file then proceeds to load. Once the Ovation Icon is on the icon bar other ovation files load directly as normal. Have I ticked something I didn't want in setting up. Philip Hetherington * ... The grass may look greener on the other side of the fence; but it isn't. -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm now 81 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Joining OvPro files Message-ID: <83cc882449%David@Gill.english.co.uk> Is there any way of inserting one OvPro file into another? Or at least creating a single file from two OvPro documents? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk From: Roger Noble Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone come across this problem before? Yesterday I printed the last two pages of a document to a postscript file. One of these pages contained an Artworks graphic containing a linear fill. Printing from the postscript file failed, and further investigation with Ghostscript showed that it was failing because "linearfill" was not defined. Comparing the postscript to that generated when the entire document was printed, it appears that a whole block of postscript defs was missing (which included the def for linearfill). The block appears to be generated irrespective of whether a linear fill is actually being used. It looks like the block is only being generated if the whole document is printed and not if only part of it is, though I guess that you would only see a failure if the graphic actually needed something defined in the missing postscript block. Roger Noble From: Bob Hughes To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:06:28 +0100 Message-ID: <492504b463bob.hughes@cableinet.co.uk> Subject: Reopening a closed document This will no doubt cause some merriment and also reveal how thick I am. I am currently transferring my Impression documents to OVpro.Being used to impression and not ovpro, if I close an Ovpro document does it have to be reloaded or is there a new view feature to reopen it from the icon bar/menu without reloading it ?? TIA From: "GuernseyITCentre(Site)" Subject: from Ov to Word? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Can anyone help. Got to get an ovation doc with diagrams into Word for someone going for a doctorate. Any ideas on Ovation to Word?? TIA -- V. Lane IT Support Teacher Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, 49 30N 2 37W email:- vlane@itcentre.guernsey.net David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jul 22 22:56:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100406 for opro ; Thu, 22 Jul 99 22:56:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932678900:20:00979:23; Thu, 22 Jul 99 21:28:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000817; 22 Jul 99 21:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA20144 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:09:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20139 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:09:08 +0100 Received: from (193.149.73.166) [193.149.73.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 117Q6F-0006az-00; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:09:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 16:38:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Applets Message-ID: <4925ac76e3colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199907121920.UAA10084@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199907121920.UAA10084@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi I have a request, which might already be served by a neat little applet of which I am unaware - the requst is; When sizing a picture in a frame I prefer NOT to have the picture centred, but as you size up and down the picture moves to the right needing constant re-adjustment of the 'left/right' buttons. It would be very useful to be able to click on a button/applet to temporarily re centre the pic instead of having to go through the lengthy procedure of -click 'pic dialogue box', click 'centre lock' with adjust and then click 'nolock' - which then enables me to position the pic where I want it - just up from centred in fact. Any bright ideas for a little button on the tool bar to click, which would just centre the pic in the frame and then leave it unlocked ? Of course I may be missing a feature already implemented, but I am not sure. Thanks in advance -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 02:16:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100423 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jul 99 02:16:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932686088:20:08476:17; Thu, 22 Jul 99 23:28:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108279; 22 Jul 99 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20305 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:09:30 +0100 Received: from ns1.saturn.ispc.net (ns1.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.128.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA20300 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 00:09:17 +0100 Received: from pebblesculpt.co.uk (212-46-129-114.saturn.ispc.net [212.46.129.114]) by ns1.saturn.ispc.net (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA28634 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:09:55 GMT (envelope-from pebbles@pebblesculpt.co.uk) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 11:52:12 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Search and replace with wildcards Message-ID: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi. I recently posted an idea to the WebChage mailing list, but, on reflection, it would be even more appropriate for OvationPro, perhaps as an applet. I would like to suggest the following... ....Search and replace should have 3 fields, "Context", "Find" and "Replace", and a single word flag. The single word flag simply ensures that if "bat" is replaced by "raquet", "dingbat" is not replaced by "dingraquet". The "Context" field is used as follows... Context : variable limit Find : limit Replace : speed limit ....the result of which is to replace all occureces of "limit" with "speed limit" but only where it occurs as part of the phrase "variable speed limit". I know this can be easily done using two fields, but when you start using wildcards in the "Context" it gets interesting... Context : |I^#) Find : ) Replace : . ....will change paragraph numbers from the form 4) to 4. I've used as wildcards for this example... |I to match a Tab ^ to mean 'one or more of the following' # to match a digit In other words the system does the following... For all occurences of "Context" within the text { Within the current occurence { Replace occurences of "Find" with "Replace" } } I hope this illustrates the potential power of the idea. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 13:42:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100429 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jul 99 13:42:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932696690:20:07567:45; Fri, 23 Jul 99 02:24:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120536; 23 Jul 99 2:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA20639 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:16:13 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA20628 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 02:15:53 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 117Tx5-000Gbi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 01:16:43 +0000 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 99 01:46:27 GMT Message-Id: <100417@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Replies to missing mail X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Subject: Re: Chapter/Page numbers >If not, I hope I can use this maillist to find answers to the things I >cannot find. You can read the archives and look at the FAQ first. Set off from the Ovation Pro home page on the web sites below. >e.g. Can I change/configure the program to use Ctrl-S for Yes. >as when I've tried it still does a spell check! Also I have two A5 pages >on screen side by side and even if I select the right hand page, the box >(below the one telling you what type of frame you have selected) still >shows the chapter and page number of the *left hand page* which has caused >me to insert pages in the wrong place or worse to delete the wrong page. >Can this be made to show the correct numbers? Until I'm sure this is the >right place to ask, I'll leave other things till later! Hmm the page numbers on display are not of the current selection, they're the page nearest the middle of the window. Subject: Re: Not receiving news? >Has something happened in general or only in particular to me? I have not >received any communications from ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk for several >days now. Yes, something is up with this list. I've not been getting any postings. And its taken until now for me to work out that something is wrong. Subject: Re: No current file >Since I upgraded to 1.52 recently using the downloads from the website I am >getting a message "no current file" when I click on an ovation file and >OvationPro is not loaded, or when I first load Ovation. Sounds like an applet error message? I can't see what the change to 2.52 would have to do with it though - unless you changed other things. Subject: Re: Joining OvPro files >Is there any way of inserting one OvPro file into another? Or at >least creating a single file from two OvPro documents? No. It'd be neat though... Subject: Re: Reopening a closed document >impression and not ovpro, if I close an Ovpro document does it have to be >reloaded or is there a new view feature to reopen it from the icon >bar/menu without reloading it ?? You can use the HideDoc applet to give you this feature. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jul 23 17:43:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100471 for opro ; Fri, 23 Jul 99 17:43:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932745650:10:18395:41; Fri, 23 Jul 99 16:00:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017250; 23 Jul 99 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA21188 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:45:44 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21183 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 16:45:27 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-29.access.ch [195.112.73.221]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA27513 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:46:23 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 17:17:24 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Applets To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4925ac76e3colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, On Thu 22 Jul, colinwoolf wrote: > Hi > > I have a request, which might already be served by a neat little > applet of which I am unaware - No applet needed. It is in the main program. It does help to read the manual while actually sitting behind your computer. Just reading the manual is a loss of time. After several weeks/months of use, then read the manual again [during a holiday ;-(] > When sizing a picture in a frame I prefer NOT to have the picture > centred, but as you size up and down the picture moves to the right > needing constant re-adjustment of the 'left/right' buttons. > > It would be very useful to be able to click on a button/applet to > temporarily re centre the pic instead of having to go through the > lengthy procedure of -click 'pic dialogue box', click 'centre lock' > with adjust and then click 'nolock' - which then enables me to > position the pic where I want it - just up from centred in fact. Start by double-clicking on the picture. Holding down a hand > appears after some sec's letting you move the picture around. > > And from the centre appear 3 handlebars letting you resize vertically, > horizontally or both at the same time. > > Hitting lets you do all kind of things with the picture frame > and hitting allows you to distort the picture itself in whatever > way you like. In this case selecting "Fit" will centre your picture. > You want to rotate the picture? Hit the 5th icon from top on the > toolbar (is aligned to the left of your main document). I think this misses the key point of the original poster - he wants NOT to have to go through all these menus repeatedly. He has one specialised effect that he wishes to produce: a picture that is slightly above centred (perhaps to allow a caption, but that's just a guess). It sounds like the applet required is an extra floating tool panel, like the style pallet, which gives quick access to a number of hand manipulations. These could be like the ArtWorks extensions and provide buttons to nudge a picture in a particular direction, while other buttons could perform left/right/centre align or top/middle/bottom align of the graphic within the frame. I'd like this applet too please :-) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll brian@pebblesculpt.co.uk http://www.pebblesculpt.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 22:14:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100566 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jul 99 22:14:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932857112:20:27137:16; Sat, 24 Jul 99 22:58:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100867; 24 Jul 99 22:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA23033 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:47:02 +0100 Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23028 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:46:49 +0100 Received: from alan.harvey.ukonline.co.uk (tnt-10-65.easynet.co.uk [212.134.16.65]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2407F7B0B1 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 1999 23:47:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 22:11:45 +0100 (BST) From: alan harvey Subject: Re: Redraw debris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <14b6bf2649%john@g1rcw.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 24 Jul, John Chetwynd wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > I'm using 2.52. I find that reformating text leaves a one or two pixel 'scum' > > around the edge of the frame which needs to be scrolled out of the window in > > order to be cleared. It's as though the redraw area is set a few OS points too > > narrow for the text block and therefore leaves old pixels down the edge. > > > > I'm using standard settings on everything as far as I can tell (12pt Trinity in > > a two-column, A4, landscape format). Does anyone else have this problem? > > > > Also I occasionally find that selected text isn't cleared on clicking elsewhere > > and has to be scrolled as above. (The text doesn't remain actively selected, just ma > rked as such, so it's a redraw problem similar to the above.) > > > > Neither of these are major hassles but it would be nice not to have such a > > messy screen. > > > Never had the second problem, but I get the first quite a lot. I > find the same as you, scrolling the document 'wipes' it clean. Just > thought it was a quirk and accepted it as such (perhaps I have been > using Microsoft software too much and have come to accept such things > all too readily!) :-) > I have noticed this too - but I also get remnants in Fireworks 8#( It does look a little tatty. -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 22:15:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100569 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jul 99 22:15:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932879265:20:17104:16; Sun, 25 Jul 99 05:07:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017075; 25 Jul 99 5:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA23435 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:56:05 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA23430 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:55:48 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.62) [193.149.85.62] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 118GL4-0005ZX-00; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:57:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 05:57:25 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #200 Message-ID: <4926fd41eccolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199907231549.QAA21198@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199907231549.QAA21198@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Jul, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > manual is a loss of time. After several weeks/months of use, then read > the manual again [during a holiday ;-(] I have actually read the manual (at least) 4 times. You have also slightly misunderstood the question, 'Fit' is NOT what I am after - as most of my pics are bigger than the frame ! Thanks for the comments though, it may help others. -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 22:15:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100570 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jul 99 22:15:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932931494:10:02673:17; Sun, 25 Jul 99 19:38:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113858; 25 Jul 99 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA24160 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:29:07 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA24155 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:28:53 +0100 From: Received: from modem-71.vancomycin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.91.71] helo=beeston12) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 118TyN-00043L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:30:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:25:07 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with formatting icons Message-ID: <7eba362749%rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <100511@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear David, In message <100511@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > the first paragraph, ovation pro will not accept the click. The bold > > and centred icons remian highlighted. > > This sounded to me like a minor bug, an oddity, related to the > fact that you're editing right at the end of the document - > workaround, stick in something before the end point. > > However I failed to reproduce the effect, and I have a feeling > it has come up before, could have been bug fixed then... I have now tried this again. The version number is 2.52 by the way. After I have successfully used the bold and centre icons and typed in the heading line, I then hit return, and the cursor goes down one line. If I click the right-justify icon it will move over to the right margin BUT the icon does not show as highlighted, and if I type anything in it continues to appear centre-justified! The icons on the left controlling Normal Bold italic etc. seem to highlight as soon as they are selected, and the input displays as you would expect, but the justification icons will not respond to a click, except that the cursor moves to the appropriate side of the screen. Input however continues to go into the centre (or whatever the highlight is actually showing. Puzzled. Yours sincerely, Robin. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12. freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 22:15:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100573 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jul 99 22:15:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932887919:20:08814:16; Sun, 25 Jul 99 07:31:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008747; 25 Jul 99 7:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA23575 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:18:35 +0100 Received: from stolly.southnet.co.nz (stolly.southnet.co.nz [202.49.115.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23570 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 08:18:18 +0100 Received: from danmccat.southnet.co.nz (p59.netserver1-dn.southnet.co.nz [202.36.220.189]) by stolly.southnet.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01410 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:19:23 +1200 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 13:21:31 +1200 (GMT) From: Dan McCarthy Subject: Re: Redraw debris To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <14b6bf2649%john@g1rcw.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 25 Jul, John Chetwynd wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > I'm using 2.52. I find that reformating text leaves a one or two pixel 'scum' > > around the edge of the frame which needs to be scrolled out of the window in > > order to be cleared. It's as though the redraw area is set a few OS points too > > narrow for the text block and therefore leaves old pixels down the edge. (Snip) > > Neither of these are major hassles but it would be nice not to have such a > > messy screen. > > I used to get the first problem on early versions of Ovation Pro But later versions seemed to fix this It is back again with version 2.51 Might be confined to certain fonts. ------- Dan McCarthy, 8 Kings Avenue, Dunedin, New Zealand. danmccat@deepsouth.co.nz THE STEEP BIRANCAS OPERATION - GORILLA REMOVALS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 22:15:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100578 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jul 99 22:15:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932937159:20:09166:17; Sun, 25 Jul 99 21:12:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110648; 25 Jul 99 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24434 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:04:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24429 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:04:24 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.66) [62.188.133.66] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 118VSu-0001bL-00; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:05:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 25 Jul 99 22:04:43 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro SIGNOFF OVATIONPRO -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jul 26 22:15:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA100579 for opro ; Mon, 26 Jul 99 22:15:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 932939742:20:06002:16; Sun, 25 Jul 99 21:55:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005605; 25 Jul 99 21:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA24576 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:47:50 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA24571 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 22:47:35 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-66.access.ch [195.112.69.194]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA03524 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:49:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:21:08 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #200 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <4926fd41eccolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 25 Jul, colinwoolf wrote: > On 23 Jul, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > manual is a loss of time. After several weeks/months of use, then read > > the manual again [during a holiday ;-(] > > I have actually read the manual (at least) 4 times. > > You have also slightly misunderstood the question, 'Fit' is NOT > what I am after - as most of my pics are bigger than the frame ! In your earlier mail you stated: "When sizing a picture in a frame I prefer NOT to have the picture centred, but as you size up and down the picture moves to the right needing constant re-adjustment of the 'left/right' buttons. I presume this happens when you use adjust the scaling (F6). Otherwise I do not understand what you mean with the picture moving to the right. Are you aware that you can change the picture frame in 2 ways? When using