From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 1 22:00:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96009 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 927998447:20:29792:17; Sat, 29 May 99 17:20:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029742; 29 May 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05910 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:11:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05904 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:11:12 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10nmel-000EI1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 May 1999 17:12:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 May 99 18:07:27 GMT Message-Id: <96007@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have not had any postings from the Ovation Pro list for several days. Have I >missed something? As Lonnie Donegan once sang "...hey you've missed me am I too late? Nah jump up on the cart...". As far as I know there have been no postings for a few days now. Obviously everything is going well, or its been sunny, or eveyone has bought a PC. As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may well pick up in the future. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 1 22:02:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96028 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:02:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928001020:20:01289:0; Sat, 29 May 99 18:03:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109075; 29 May 99 18:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.204.98] (helo=cartmell.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10nnSD-000Ggx-0B for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:03:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:46:27 +0100 Subject: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Message-ID: <4909e9050ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11j (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain On 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > well pick up in the future. I think you have a different idea of quiet, David - and the future's coming up fast. Let me know after the next 2 shows (Holland and SE) if you think it's quiet! -- This sig. is still in the future tense John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using a RiscStation R7500 with RISC OS 4 - the best way to understand technology From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 1 22:08:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96044 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:08:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928073179:20:24550:16; Sun, 30 May 99 14:06:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101681; 30 May 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07045 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:56:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA07040 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:56:31 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.153) [193.149.70.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10o664-0007Zt-00; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:57:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:27:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Selecting numbers Message-ID: <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> References: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11i (RISC-OS/3.6) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace>, Nicholas Kaijaks wrote: > This is turning into the 'double-space-after-a-full-stop' debate again, > isn't it ;-) Yes, sort of! [snip] I accept that the period may not the correct character for a decimal point. However it is used as such in most programming languages, and has become accepted as a decimal point for most occasions. I think there is even an OPro Applet that adds up a column of numbers which uses it ;-) But my real point is that if I double click on the 789 portion of 123.789, then it is /wrong/ to end up with 123 selected! The scan-left and scan-right logic (as described in my previously entry) needs to be consistent. I'm typing this in !Pluto which does select the whole of 123.789 no matter where I double click within it. This is how OPro should work (IMHO). Please could this be done? It would not matter which character is used for a dp, then :-) Cheers. *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 1 22:08:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96046 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:08:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928079127:20:08883:16; Sun, 30 May 99 15:45:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106670; 30 May 99 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA07207 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA07202 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:35:21 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.34) [193.149.80.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10o7dj-00012q-00; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:36:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:37:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Selecting numbers Message-ID: <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> References: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk>, Ken wrote: > In article <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace>, > Nicholas Kaijaks wrote: [snip] > I'm typing this in !Pluto which does select the whole of > 123.789 no matter where I double click within it. This is how OPro should > work (IMHO). Please could this be done? > It would not matter which character is used for a dp, then :-) > Cheers. > *** Ken *** I find that using the latest version of the !THe applet this automatically places a central decimal point between numbers once you enter a space in the string of numbers. Double clicking then selects all of the numbers both before and after the decimal point. Cheers Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use Risc OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 2 13:38:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96126 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jun 99 13:38:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928322432:20:24592:22; Wed, 02 Jun 99 11:20:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024403; 2 Jun 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10264 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:00:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10259 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:00:19 +0100 Received: from [194.222.19.11] (helo=barc.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10p8lH-000MXf-0K; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:00:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:46:58 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <96007@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > > As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > well pick up in the future. No that is good to hear..... Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 2 13:40:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96134 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jun 99 13:40:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928321274:10:07668:0; Wed, 02 Jun 99 11:01:14 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007565; 2 Jun 99 11:01 GMT Received: from [194.222.19.11] (helo=barc.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10p8lH-000MXf-0K; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:00:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:46:58 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <96007@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Sat 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > > As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > well pick up in the future. No that is good to hear..... Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 2 21:16:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96174 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jun 99 21:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928348806:20:03908:17; Wed, 02 Jun 99 18:40:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116756; 2 Jun 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10757 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:29:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA10752 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:29:12 +0100 Received: from (193.149.89.228) [193.149.89.228] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10pFlq-0002oq-00; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:29:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:18:17 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 2 Jun 1999 (11:46:58 +0100), ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk wrote: >> As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may >> well pick up in the future. > >No that is good to hear..... ^^ I hope that the typo does not turn out to be too prophetic! Andy -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 01:46:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96205 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 01:46:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928359051:10:10442:26; Wed, 02 Jun 99 21:30:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010428; 2 Jun 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10943 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:04:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10938 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:03:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10pIBT-000HTy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:04:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 21:33:56 GMT Message-Id: <96194@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may >> well pick up in the future. I didn't want it to sound like I was running down various peoples efforts. Those working on new machines and the folk at RISC OS Ltd are no doubt working very hard at the moment. However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM chips appear. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 3 01:46:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96207 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 01:46:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928361040:10:04988:0; Wed, 02 Jun 99 22:04:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125064; 2 Jun 99 22:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.204.98] (helo=cartmell.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10pJ77-0009Sk-0K for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:03:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:03:29 +0100 Subject: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Message-ID: <490c0fe520john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11j (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain On 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >> As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > >> well pick up in the future. > I didn't want it to sound like I was running down various peoples > efforts. Those working on new machines and the folk at RISC OS Ltd > are no doubt working very hard at the moment. > However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival > until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will > become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM > chips appear. You're* very welcome to the MAUG meeting in South Manchester on 25th June (see comp.sys.acorn.hardware-RiscStation). It's not necessarily the most powerful machines but the ones that have enough power at the right price and RiscStation are already talking about additions to their original spec. We've had enough of the spiralling down - it's about time we reversed that trend! *Personal invitation to David - but as MAUG don't charge an entrance or membership fee others on the list are welcome. -- This sig. is still in the future tense John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using a RiscStation R7500 with RISC OS 4 - the best way to understand technology From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 19:31:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96252 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 19:31:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928424238:10:18209:235; Thu, 03 Jun 99 15:37:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016726; 3 Jun 99 15:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11793 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:58:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11788 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:57:55 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10pYx6-0006UC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:58:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:32:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96194@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival > until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will > become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > chips appear. So we are heading for 64 bits right away ;-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 22:50:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96257 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 22:50:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928438417:10:28098:16; Thu, 03 Jun 99 19:33:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114419; 3 Jun 99 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12257 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:07:56 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12252 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:07:41 +0100 Received: from modem-17.effexor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.64.17] helo=orchard-way) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10pcqq-0007DQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:08:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:09:20 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Wed 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival > > until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will > > become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > chips appear. > > So we are heading for 64 bits right away ;-) > > Ernst Surely the Acorn tradition is to leapfrog the opposition - it should be 128 bits next. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 4 21:00:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96301 for opro ; Fri, 04 Jun 99 21:00:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928523219:20:20642:17; Fri, 04 Jun 99 19:06:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2020574; 4 Jun 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01083 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:31:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01078 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:31:22 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10pyuS-0006af-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:25:01 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 16 May, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > Is there a way of defining a style based on the styles and effects that > are operative at the current cursor position? Now there would be a nice addition, David/applet developers. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 4 23:12:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96325 for opro ; Fri, 04 Jun 99 23:12:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928531927:20:05055:18; Fri, 04 Jun 99 21:32:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106620; 4 Jun 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01264 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:17:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01259 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:17:20 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10q1V6-000Iv4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:27:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 22:21:49 GMT Message-Id: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles from cursor Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Is there a way of defining a style based on the styles and effects that >> are operative at the current cursor position? >Now there would be a nice addition, David/applet developers. OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this was a nice idea. >>> become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM >> So we are heading for 64 bits right away ;-) >Surely the Acorn tradition is to leapfrog the opposition - it should be 128 >bits next. OK, OK, 26 bit dependencies. Its not easy to think that post stone age (1985) anyone could have made a 26 bit machine... Isn't something like the new Sony game machine 128bits? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 5 13:27:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96334 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:27:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928571050:10:25164:15; Sat, 05 Jun 99 08:24:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025116; 5 Jun 99 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA01803 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:51:14 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01798 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:51:00 +0100 Received: from [195.99.53.72] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10qBLk-0004XT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:01:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Styles from cursor Message-ID: <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Is there a way of defining a style based on the styles and effects > >> that are operative at the current cursor position? > >Now there would be a nice addition, David/applet developers. > OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this > was a nice idea. Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? If so, then this is the best news I've had for many months and I think I've fallen in love with you David :-) Next question, of course, is have you any idea when this might be, Sweetie! Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 5 13:27:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96340 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:27:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928574610:20:01451:15; Sat, 05 Jun 99 09:23:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001235; 5 Jun 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA01936 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:47:19 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01931 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:47:04 +0100 Received: from [212.126.147.213] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10qCGg-0002zE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:57:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:38:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Styles from cursor Message-ID: <490d51b0c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com> References: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com>, Roger Mayne wrote: > > OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this > > was a nice idea. > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? If so, then this is > the best news I've had for many months and I think I've fallen in love > with you David :-) Next question, of course, is have you any idea when > this might be, Sweetie! Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. I object strongly to rats leaving the ship and dirtying the decks before they go - making it difficult for those that don't jump ship. BTW did you know that Beebug are NOT answering emails asking for support on their products? Someone has been trying to get tech help on Sleuth 3 all week without any success. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 5 15:03:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96358 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jun 99 15:03:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928588789:20:19380:19; Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:19:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122856; 5 Jun 99 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA02218 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:02:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02213 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:02:42 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qGG7-000Ir0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:13:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:57:32 GMT Message-Id: <96352@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles from cursor X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? Yes (all being well). >Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management >and buy 1.52 first No definitely not. >BTW did you know that Beebug are NOT answering emails asking for support >on their products? Someone has been trying to get tech help on Sleuth 3 >all week without any success. I think sheridan@beebug.co.uk (which is where you should be addressing support requests) might be off this week. It's a cheat and not really fair to Graham Jones, but if you're desperate you can visit the Sleuth authors web site www.visiv.co.uk (because we have publishers to protect us from users...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:41:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96382 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:41:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928614982:20:14752:15; Sat, 05 Jun 99 20:36:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014493; 5 Jun 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA02641 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:16:27 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02636 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:16:11 +0100 Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10qN1g-0003Nx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:26:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:26:30 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96352@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? > > Yes (all being well). > > > >Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management > >and buy 1.52 first > > No definitely not. > This is wonderful news - just want to re-affirm my willingness to pay for significant upgrades John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:42:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96384 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928648552:20:22882:15; Sun, 06 Jun 99 05:55:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022848; 6 Jun 99 5:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA03145 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 05:40:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA03140 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 05:39:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.69.33) [193.149.69.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10qVpE-0002Sl-00; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:10:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #167 Message-ID: <490d968194colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906051917.UAA02650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199906051917.UAA02650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > This is wonderful news - just want to re-affirm my willingness to pay > for significant upgrades Hear Hear Cheers Colin Woolf -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:42:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96397 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928741670:20:19937:16; Mon, 07 Jun 99 07:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019758; 7 Jun 99 7:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04545 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:40:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04540 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:40:21 +0100 Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qu17-000Ms6-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:40:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:12:37 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Styles from cursor References: <490d51b0c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Alan Muscat writes >On Sat 05 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: >> >> Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management >> and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. > >I'm not sure your appraoch to Beebug will help the cause at all. >It's obviously a difficult time for all dealers and developers >and encouragement is surely what is needed. > > Which cause would that be then, Alan? That of saving this platform, perchance? Or that of rewarding poor service? It seems to me that the description 'grubby' is all too appropriate to Beebug in that sense. They were amongst the first rats to leave the ship IIRC, and IME their practices were a little grubby long before that. They were never the best of Acorn dealers, and they are hardly doing much of a job marketing OPro now, are they? David's the developer, and he's the one who deserves our praise and encouragement. But, no, Ray's statement won't exactly *help* the cause. But then neither will your sig, which has long ago ceased to be amusing. I doubt very much whether either will actually *harm* the cause. OK, so maybe we're both suffering sense of humour failure. Ray obviously had his tongue in cheek, although maybe he was a bit too close to the truth for comfort. I suggest you loosen up, and don't take his words too seriously in this case. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:43:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96413 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928684882:10:07069:15; Sun, 06 Jun 99 16:01:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103968; 6 Jun 99 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA03548 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:45:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03543 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:44:47 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qfGg-000OVN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:55:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:09:18 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <490d51b0c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com>, > Roger Mayne wrote: > > > > OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this > > > was a nice idea. > > > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? If so, then this is > > the best news I've had for many months and I think I've fallen in love > > with you David :-) Next question, of course, is have you any idea when > > this might be, Sweetie! > > Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management > and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. I'm not sure your appraoch to Beebug will help the cause at all. It's obviously a difficult time for all dealers and developers and encouragement is surely what is needed. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:44:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96432 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:44:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928747823:10:09369:28; Mon, 07 Jun 99 09:30:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114647; 7 Jun 99 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA04723 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:18:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04718 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:18:42 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10qvYM-00044L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:18:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:08:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 06 Jun, Tony van der Hoff wrote: (snip) Reading between the lines of David's messages I think it is wiser to discuss some matters in a later stage, maybe in 2000. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:44:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96435 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:44:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928751071:10:13520:81; Mon, 07 Jun 99 10:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123653; 7 Jun 99 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04854 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA04849 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:14 +0100 Received: from (62.188.132.214) [62.188.132.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10qwDU-0006yx-00; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:00:09 +0100 Subject: Tab rulers Message-ID: <490e60da20jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <48a6f76965steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there any way of discovering/displaying where tab rulers have been inserted in a document? ISTR that in the good old Atari days tab rulers were permanently displayed in a document in Calligrapher (which, on the whole, was more useful than a nuisance). Also, moving tabs was 'live'. It was not necessary to click OK to see the effect. Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 14:03:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96517 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928846685:20:16337:16; Tue, 08 Jun 99 12:58:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103795; 8 Jun 99 12:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA06234 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:39:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06229 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:39:06 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.36) [193.149.77.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rLA3-0000im-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:39:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Jun 99 13:34:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea what? I am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth paying Beebug for the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the ends of paragraphs not doing what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles shows that the first time I press at the end of a paragraph I get a newline symbol, then, if I press again directly, the second time I get a new paragraph symbol; I am sure it used not to do this but produced new paragraph every time. This plays havoc with my paragraph spacing in my carefully designed styles, but it also happens in the default document where the body text style is substantially unchanged from that which is supplied. produces newline as would be expected. The only mishap I can think of which may have caused this is that my son probably did an accidental a couple of weeks ago, and I have had to do a reconfigure. Has this mucked up some setting in CMOS RAM which affects the way works? If so, I can't find any documentation. TIA for any advice on how to remedy this, or will I just have to redefine all my styles? Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 14:59:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96538 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:59:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928848100:20:11379:15; Tue, 08 Jun 99 13:21:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129144; 8 Jun 99 13:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06299 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:03:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06294 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:03:33 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rLXa-0000ty-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:03:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 03:26:10 GMT Message-Id: <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way of discovering/displaying where tab rulers have been >inserted in a document? Well there is always a tab ruler i.e. at all points in a text story. What you might ask is if there's a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes. >ISTR that in the good old Atari days tab rulers were permanently displayed in >a document in Calligrapher (which, on the whole, was more useful than a >nuisance). Also, moving tabs was 'live'. It was not necessary to click OK to >see the effect. I suppose the first is ruled out because it would upset the WYSIWYG appearance of the document. Another oft suggested alternative is having the ruler permanantly on display at the top of the window (like Impression). That idea was dropped because of things like rotated frames, although I never got around to a rotated tab ruler. Finally yes, real time update of the effect of moving tabs would be a good idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 14:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96539 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928850259:20:18525:18; Tue, 08 Jun 99 13:57:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119505; 8 Jun 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06326 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA06321 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:44 +0100 Received: from (ARM_NoName) [193.149.80.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rM5l-00022r-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:39:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:37:48 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <429df8e49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490ef5526bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <490ef5526bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> you wrote: > You haven't added any new applets recently? For example, I found a very > similar thing was happening after I added the Levens List applet. It seems > to intercept and replace it with . One has to hit > a second time to get a normal paragraph end. > > Chris > Yes, my apologies to you all. I have also found some other areas of improvement, although sub-sections are finished and the roman numeral conversion is mostly done. Dates also cause a problem in the current development version. I (obviously) need to alter some of the code in this applet to correct it, but it is going to become part of the HTMLinks applet, allowing lists to be also used in HTML. The HTMLinks applet is also free (don't bother getting it yet, it is only usable for HTMLPro), but development has ceased on the list applet, due to the crossover. Normal Business will resume soon ;-) Benji Levens -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:40:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96547 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:40:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928847880:10:26450:82; Tue, 08 Jun 99 13:18:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026809; 8 Jun 99 13:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06281 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:01:45 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06276 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:01:32 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rLVm-0007er-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:01:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:01:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <490ef5526bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea > what? I am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth > paying Beebug for the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the ends > of paragraphs not doing what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles > shows that the first time I press at the end of a paragraph I > get a newline symbol, then, if I press again directly, the > second time I get a new paragraph symbol; I am sure it used not to do > this but produced new paragraph every time. This plays havoc with my > paragraph spacing in my carefully designed styles, but it also happens > in the default document where the body text style is substantially > unchanged from that which is supplied. produces newline > as would be expected. You haven't added any new applets recently? For example, I found a very similar thing was happening after I added the Levens List applet. It seems to intercept and replace it with . One has to hit a second time to get a normal paragraph end. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:48:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96558 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928853206:10:04007:140; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:46:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108544; 8 Jun 99 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:05:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06342 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:05:11 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rMUu-0002Pb-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:05:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:36:04 GMT Message-Id: <96536@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth paying Beebug for the upgrade?). Yes, No. >what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles shows that the first time I >press at the end of a paragraph I get a newline symbol, then, if I >press again directly, the second time I get a new paragraph symbol; Well that is abnormal behaviour. Its sort of mixing up Return and Shift Return. One possibility is something messing up the keyboard. Everything from a dodgy SHIFT key, to modules from other programs that are doing things. Another possibility might be a rogue applet. As I often say, if you start to wonder about keypresses, get to the new key macro window, because that will reflect what key OPro thinks you're pressing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:48:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96560 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:48:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928855595:10:05482:97; Tue, 08 Jun 99 15:26:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002885; 8 Jun 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06393 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:01:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA06388 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:50 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.191) [62.188.146.191] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rNND-0003ka-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:01:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:58:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab rulers Message-ID: <490efa8908jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there any way of discovering/displaying where tab rulers have been > >inserted in a document? > Well there is always a tab ruler i.e. at all points in a text story. Of course! > What you might ask is if there's a way of finding out where the > tab ruler changes. That's what I meant by 'inserted' :-) O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) > Finally yes, real time update of the effect of moving tabs would be a good > idea. Yes, please! Thanks, Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:48:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96563 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:48:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928859528:10:21389:346; Tue, 08 Jun 99 16:32:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104698; 8 Jun 99 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06456 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:01:25 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA06451 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:01:14 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:01:28 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02962 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:00:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:00:04 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Jun, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea what? I > am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth paying Beebug for > the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the ends of paragraphs not doing > what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles shows that the first time I > press at the end of a paragraph I get a newline symbol, then, if I > press again directly, the second time I get a new paragraph symbol; > ..... I had this problem and traced it to one of two Applets. Unfortunately, I did not keep a note and can't remember which. I just remember that I tried it out about three weeks ago. I did write to the author but had had no response. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 19:36:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96585 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:36:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928864824:10:27825:47; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:00:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1102829; 8 Jun 99 18:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06539 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:44:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06534 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:43:48 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.234) [193.149.77.234] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rPuy-0006r0-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:44:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Jun 99 18:40:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 8 Jun 99 (14:01:50 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: >In article , > Dr P.N.Young wrote: >> I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea >> what? I am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth >> paying Beebug for the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the >ends >> of paragraphs not doing what I expect them to do. Turning on >invisibles >> shows that the first time I press at the end of a paragraph >I >> get a newline symbol, then, if I press again directly, the >> second time I get a new paragraph symbol; I am sure it used not to do >> this but produced new paragraph every time. This plays havoc with my >> paragraph spacing in my carefully designed styles, but it also >happens >> in the default document where the body text style is substantially >> unchanged from that which is supplied. produces >newline >> as would be expected. > >You haven't added any new applets recently? For example, I found a very >similar thing was happening after I added the Levens List applet. It >seems to intercept and replace it with . One has >to hit a second time to get a normal paragraph end. > >Chris Thanks, Chris, and also to you all for replying. This is just what has happened, so I will suspend the List applet till it's sorted out. It also has a slightly irritating habit that if you start a paragraph with something like a date in the format 8 June the next paragraph starts automatically with the figure (date+1). Is this sortable? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:45:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96625 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928904780:20:00025:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 05:06:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106791; 9 Jun 99 5:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA07218 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA07213 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:12 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.6) [62.188.146.6] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10raRh-00015M-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 05:57:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab rulers Message-ID: <490f4cd283jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I > >hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) > Yes, No. > Unlike some programs you could have half a dozen tab rulers in one line > (only the first would apply), so plastering a tab ruler over the document > would not be possible. Well then, what about a symbol in Invisibles which indicates where a tab ruler has been inserted. Now, that would be really useful! Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:45:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96631 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:45:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928917392:20:28405:16; Wed, 09 Jun 99 08:36:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108052; 9 Jun 99 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07405 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:13:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA07400 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:13:20 +0100 Received: from (ARM_NoName) [62.188.134.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rdUa-0002vg-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:13:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:13:30 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <72c25ef49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Thanks, Chris, and also to you all for replying. This is just what has > happened, so I will suspend the List applet till it's sorted out. It > also has a slightly irritating habit that if you start a paragraph with > something like a date in the format 8 June the next paragraph starts > automatically with the figure (date+1). Is this sortable? > Yes, this is a problem that I am aware of. It will be fixed by (latest) end of the week, along with the Paragraph/Return problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. Benji Levens -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:46:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96630 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:45:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928896500:10:15500:16; Wed, 09 Jun 99 02:48:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126999; 9 Jun 99 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA07078 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:35:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA07073 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:35:42 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rYDl-000NUV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:36:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 01:44:07 GMT Message-Id: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I >hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) Yes, No. Its an interesting point, with some things like 'bold' it is obvious where the style changes, with others it isn't and it might be handy to know. If you're disciplined and do everything using defined styles, then its possible to give them all a different colour and see. Perhaps doing that automatically could be a new feature. Unlike some programs you could have half a dozen tab rulers in one line (only the first would apply), so plastering a tab ruler over the document would not be possible. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:48:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96640 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:47:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928918978:10:24388:31; Wed, 09 Jun 99 09:02:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024040; 9 Jun 99 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07531 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:50:35 +0100 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07526 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:50:23 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:48:39 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26226 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:47:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:47:49 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Tab rulers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: "Marcel-1.46-0609084749-0b0M&ui" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 09 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > >O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I > >hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) > > Its an interesting point, with some things like 'bold' it is obvious where > the style changes, ..... Even Bold is not that simple - the space on either side can be an unknown if the selection for imposing a format/style has been made other than by clicking. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 15:52:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96672 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 15:52:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928937535:20:08507:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 14:12:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129878; 9 Jun 99 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08460 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:46:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08455 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:46:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10rigu-000OuV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:46:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 14:33:34 GMT Message-Id: <96666@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well then, what about a symbol in Invisibles which indicates where a tab >ruler has been inserted. Now, that would be really useful! How about an invisible for style change codes in general, then we could have a window that showed all the style settings at any point in the text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 18:32:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96682 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:32:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928945094:10:04527:99; Wed, 09 Jun 99 16:18:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118707; 9 Jun 99 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08655 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:58:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA08650 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:58:28 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.132.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rkkm-0002j4-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:59:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:58:26 +0100 Subject: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort printing. It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - losing unsaved work. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 18:41:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96687 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:41:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928949614:10:17965:432; Wed, 09 Jun 99 17:33:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014757; 9 Jun 99 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08793 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:59:07 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08788 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:58:55 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00752 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:59:28 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <375E9F51.117C688F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:07:29 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Escaping from printing References: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have found it difficult to abort printing, for any application. (A3010, 4megs ram, 320 meg HD, HP500C printer). Also sometimes the printer will keep advancing 1/2 way down the paper page before starting to print. Even a complete power down does not always fix this. It keeps doing it then suddenly returns to normal for no apparent reason. I wonder if upgrading to a risc PC & OS4 will fix both problems. Ray Dawson wrote: > > One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort > printing. > > It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but > OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - > losing unsaved work. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > > -- > > .===================================. > | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 > | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk > '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2730/2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 19:24:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96699 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 19:24:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928950135:10:27561:60; Wed, 09 Jun 99 17:42:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011487; 9 Jun 99 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA08818 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:02:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08813 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:02:12 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.26) [193.149.76.26] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rlkS-0003lv-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:02:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:33:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Selecting numbers Message-ID: <490e9ad3c4ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.6) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > [snip] > I find that using the latest version of the !THe applet this > automatically places a central decimal point between numbers once you > enter a space in the string of numbers. Double clicking then selects all > of the numbers both before and after the decimal point. I also have the !THe applet, but have never seen this happen. Until, that is, your note prompted me to investigate further. Sure enough the !Help file says that this IS an option; an option ("Decimal points") which seems to work perfectly when I /activate it/ from the menu!!! Ho hum ..... :-) Option now permanently set. Many thanks for the info. Now what was that acronym again? Ah yes: RTFM! Cheers, *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 20:44:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96700 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 20:44:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928953303:20:26047:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:35:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106026; 9 Jun 99 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09047 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:22:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09042 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:21:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10rmzV-0008XG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:22:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:36:49 GMT Message-Id: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Escaping from printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort >printing. >It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but >OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - >losing unsaved work. Are you saying OPro is worse than other programs in this respect? I'd say the problem is that one hands over control to RISC OS, and it never comes back. It's also worth saying that hitting Escape is the way out of printing, because that stands a chance of telling RISC OS that you want to quit, the cancel button is not polled very often. Presumeably there's the usual thing of if you have OPro set up for background printing (which make the driver go via file) or not. Perhaps the second set up is more inclind to hang. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 20:44:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96702 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 20:44:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928956559:20:22929:17; Wed, 09 Jun 99 19:29:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107396; 9 Jun 99 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09168 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:18:23 +0100 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.20.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09163 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:18:10 +0100 Received: from marotzke.zfn.uni-bremen.de (moritz79.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.6.119]) by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (8.9.1a/ZfNServer) with SMTP id VAA16246 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:16:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:07:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Friedrich Marotzke Subject: Re: Tab rulers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96666@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 09 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >Well then, what about a symbol in Invisibles which indicates where a tab > >ruler has been inserted. Now, that would be really useful! > > How about an invisible for style change codes in general, then we could have > a window that showed all the style settings at any point in the text. > Great idea! Friedrich -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 23:34:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96707 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 23:34:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928964005:10:20219:17; Wed, 09 Jun 99 21:33:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122779; 9 Jun 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09335 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:08:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09330 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:08:27 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.155) [193.149.74.155] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rpao-0002Dg-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:09:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:09:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490fa5c715lexicon1@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort > printing. > It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but > OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - > losing unsaved work. Did you try turning the printer off and on again while pressing escape? Sometimes it works. Martin Longley -- martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 23:34:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96709 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 23:34:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928966975:10:28985:24; Wed, 09 Jun 99 22:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110825; 9 Jun 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09480 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:06:04 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09475 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:05:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 19639 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1999 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from useran19.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (62.188.135.36) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 22:06:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:39:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to > >abort printing. It just happened that my printer was out of ink and > >wouldn't respond, but OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had > >to Ctr-Break out of it - losing unsaved work. > Are you saying OPro is worse than other programs in this respect? Yes. I'll try it now. 1. Turn printer off. 2. Open Publisher window and click on Print. 3. Printer window and hourglass running. 4. Hit escape and Publisher immediately releases. Same test for Ovation Pro 3. Printer window and hourglass running. 4. Hit escape and Ovation Pro ignores it and hourglass still running. 5. Turn printer back on and OP then escapes printing. > I'd say the problem is that one hands over control to RISC OS, and it > never comes back. > It's also worth saying that hitting Escape is the way out of printing, > because that stands a chance of telling RISC OS that you want to quit, > the cancel button is not polled very often. Repeatedly hitting Escape above didn't get OP to release, but it was immediate with Publisher. > Presumeably there's the usual thing of if you have OPro set up for > background printing (which make the driver go via file) or not. Perhaps > the second set up is more inclind to hang. How do I do that the? The Background printing option in !Printers isn't ticked. Is there another one in Ovation Pro itself? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 01:44:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96715 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 01:44:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928970508:10:10528:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 23:21:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1100967; 9 Jun 99 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA09625 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:06:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09620 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:06:30 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.134) [193.149.77.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rrR4-0004UW-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:07:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:07:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490fb0a4c3lexicon1@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > > Presumeably there's the usual thing of if you have OPro set up for > > background printing (which make the driver go via file) or not. Perhaps > > the second set up is more inclind to hang. > How do I do that the? The Background printing option in !Printers isn't > ticked. Is there another one in Ovation Pro itself? AFAIK you have to tick the background printing option in !Printers and load !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into a text editor. I think the important line is the 'printchoices' Mine is: printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); I think it's the '1' that sets background printing but no doubt David will tell me if I'm wrong. Martin Longley -- martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 13:45:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96729 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 13:45:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928983815:10:07878:16; Thu, 10 Jun 99 03:03:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007538; 10 Jun 99 3:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA10010 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:41:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10005 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:41:30 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10runA-000Jtn-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:42:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 02:13:15 GMT Message-Id: <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Escaping from printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > 1. Turn printer off. > 2. Open Publisher window and click on Print. > 3. Printer window and hourglass running. > 4. Hit escape and Publisher immediately releases. I found (and this is odd) a double press of escape was needed. The first just cancels the hour glass. They're doing something odd, but at the moment I can't think what... (clearing the printer buffer on escape events perhaps, guessing now but there used to be some sort of OS option to do such things). > 3. Printer window and hourglass running. > 4. Hit escape and Ovation Pro ignores it and hourglass still running. This is the same as Draw, so its not wildly RISC OS non-compliant. >AFAIK you have to tick the background printing option in !Printers and >load !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into a text editor. >I think the important line is the 'printchoices' >Mine is: printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); Yes all this is dead right, its been covered here many times before. And I reckon (it seems) to get around the escape problem, but if you're using Acorn printer drivers it is probably a better way of setting things up anyway. Because you don't have to hang around waiting for things to print. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 14:27:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96744 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 14:27:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929021075:20:04857:44; Thu, 10 Jun 99 13:24:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119269; 10 Jun 99 13:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA10518 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA10513 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:08 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.52) [193.149.74.52] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s4Tp-0005xa-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:06:48 +0100 Subject: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hum! I must have done something stupid at some time, but ATM I cannot seem to get TIFFS above about 15MB to render in OP without incurring a 'Message from TransTIFF' to the effect 'TIFFload error Failed to claim memory'. As I am certain that I was able to do this I can only think that my TransTIFF module has been 'updated' in some way. Help Modules indicates: TransTIFF 1.00 (27 Sep 1993), now that strikes me as being somewhat ancient. This module is loaded with OP. Have I screwed up somewhere with a recent upgrade? Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 18:26:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96745 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 18:26:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929026001:20:14964:91; Thu, 10 Jun 99 14:46:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015498; 10 Jun 99 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10772 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10766 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:03 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.40) [193.149.74.40] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s5n4-0007TQ-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> References: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith wrote: > Help Modules indicates: TransTIFF 1.00 (27 Sep 1993), > now that strikes me as being somewhat ancient. As this originates from my CCShared directory then I am no longer surprised about its antiquity. Unless a later version should be within the OP directory structure, and hence overwritten/deleted, I am otherwise at a loss. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 18:32:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96751 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 18:32:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929024310:10:15436:23; Thu, 10 Jun 99 14:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115645; 10 Jun 99 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA10643 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA10638 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:44 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.150.177] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s5Hm-0006uP-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:54:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:24:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490fe39eabrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >AFAIK you have to tick the background printing option in !Printers and > >load !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into a text editor. > >I think the important line is the 'printchoices' > >Mine is: printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); > Yes all this is dead right, its been covered here many times before. > And I reckon (it seems) to get around the escape problem, but > if you're using Acorn printer drivers it is probably a better > way of setting things up anyway. Because you don't have to hang around > waiting for things to print. Yes, thanks for that - it does Escape properly now. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 19:22:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96766 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:21:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929036156:10:24529:235; Thu, 10 Jun 99 17:35:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025339; 10 Jun 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11129 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:19:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11122 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:18:55 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.137.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s8UO-00037D-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:19:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:35:13 +0100 Subject: Re: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <4910058aecrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> References: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith wrote: > In article <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk>, > Lionel Smith wrote: > > Help Modules indicates: TransTIFF 1.00 (27 Sep 1993), > > now that strikes me as being somewhat ancient. > As this originates from my CCShared directory then I am no longer > surprised about its antiquity. > Unless a later version should be within the OP directory structure, and > hence overwritten/deleted, I am otherwise at a loss. Try removing TransTIFF and letting TransFSI take over. TransFSI is in your Ovation Pro Filters directory, or perhaps as in my case you have put it into Boot:Resources. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 19:23:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96769 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:23:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929035955:10:24524:100; Thu, 10 Jun 99 17:32:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129322; 10 Jun 99 17:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11087 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:14:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11081 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:14:20 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10s8Pu-000BiT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:15:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:14:53 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:14:45 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: <2f26141049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20530.199905100945@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hiya, I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. Would this be possible? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7 neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 48Mb Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 21:04:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96771 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929041258:10:23025:24; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:00:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104787; 10 Jun 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11398 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:51:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11393 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s9vP-000IdB-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:51:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:51:56 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 06 Jun, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Alan > Muscat writes > >On Sat 05 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > >> > >> Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management > >> and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. > > > >I'm not sure your appraoch to Beebug will help the cause at all. > >It's obviously a difficult time for all dealers and developers > >and encouragement is surely what is needed. > > > > > Which cause would that be then, Alan? That of saving this platform, > perchance? The furtherance of OPro. >Or that of rewarding poor service? There is no excuse for poor service, and I've experienced my own poor service rom Beebug, but slating them helps no one. > > It seems to me that the description 'grubby' is all too appropriate to > Beebug in that sense. They were amongst the first rats to leave the ship > IIRC, and IME their practices were a little grubby long before that. I don't know about that, but if remaining on board ship means going down with the ship, then they have to think of their business. I'm sure the people behind Beebug have families to feed and clothe. Acorn didn't give a thought to Beebug, or any other dealer or developer when they ditched the platform, no dealer or developer is morally obliged to remain 'on board', IMHO; that they do is all credit to them, but if they don't, I will not berate them for leaving. > They were never the best of Acorn dealers, and they are hardly doing > much of a job marketing OPro now, are they? If you're not making much money (which Beebug can hardly be) then spending money on a product with no market is not wise. >David's the developer, and > he's the one who deserves our praise and encouragement. Sure, but Beebug, must have done their part in the days when things weren't so bad, such as writing of manuals, packaging, advertising, distribution, undoutedly paying David progress payments etc. (I'll stand corrected if any of this is untrue). You know it might actually be that OPro may not have happened if Beebug were not prepared to back the project; perhaps they even instigated it in the first place. > > But, no, Ray's statement won't exactly *help* the cause. But then > neither will your sig, My sig is plainly laughing at myself for sticking with this platform; it's hardly going to annoy dealers and possibly influence any remnant of commitment they might still have to the platform. > > OK, so maybe we're both suffering sense of humour failure. Ray obviously > had his tongue in cheek, I don't believe that for a minute. >although maybe he was a bit too close to the > truth for comfort. > > I suggest you loosen up, and don't take his words too seriously in this > case. I think my comment was reasonable and not particularly up-tight. However, your own response to my posting... -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 21:04:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96773 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929041359:10:24270:22; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:02:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024153; 10 Jun 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11430 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:53:33 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11424 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:53:18 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.201]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA6067 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37607B0D.F71@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:57:17 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Throwback from applets & convert protocols Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm playing about with a few applets and would like to trace/report on their execution - how do I implement the throwback protocol within an applet (or indeed Basic itself)? Also has the convertor protocol been published? I've had a look at !TransHTML but as it's compressed Basic, it's a bind to make any sense of it. I don't have any particular projects in mind, I just like to inspect the innards of things (no allusions to Hannibal Lecter please!) -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 21:04:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96774 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929041411:20:14951:15; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:03:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108214; 10 Jun 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11470 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:54:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA11455 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:54:38 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.140) [193.149.70.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s9z1-000575-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:55:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Jarvis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:05:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490f9ff0d5tonyg6ttl@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.6) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort > printing. > It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but > OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - > losing unsaved work. Can't say that this is a problem as far as I'm concerned. Hitting the key usually works, but I must say that I haven't tried it on a printer that had run out of ink. Regards, Tony. -- **** **** ***** ***** * is RSGB VHF / UHF Awards Manager. * * * * * active on 50, 144, 423 & 1296MHz. * ** **** * * * County Controller, Kent County Raynet. * * * * * * * an Intel-free Zone. **** **** * * ***** http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/tonyg6ttl/index.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 01:27:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96781 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 01:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929048646:10:12608:15; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012575; 10 Jun 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11828 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:54:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11816 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:54:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sBqf-0005AV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:54:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:08:33 GMT Message-Id: <96777@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles from cursor X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Acorn didn't give a thought to Beebug, or any other dealer or developer >when they ditched the platform, no dealer or developer is morally obliged to >remain 'on board' Yes I think Acorn changed the game in September. But up to that time you'd seen companies like CC and Watford take substantial amounts out of the Acorn market and spend it elsewhere. But business is business, does Bill Gates sit around thinking he'd be better spending the money on sorting out Windows, (which it desperately needs) rather than handing it over to the shareholders? I suspect if you get into the "is this honourable/loyalty to the customers" type of argument you're just not a good businessman. >Sure, but Beebug, must have done their part in the days when things >weren't so bad, such as writing of manuals, packaging, advertising, >distribution Yes they did. >undoutedly paying David progress payments etc. No they did not. >You know it might actually be that OPro may not have happened if Beebug >were not prepared to back the project; perhaps they even instigated it in >the first place. Yes, OPro would not have happened without Beebug talking me into it. In fact in the Autumn of 1992 I had started on a suite of internet software. I may be kidding myself, but I think a lot of things would have been different if I'd continued with it. Beebug saw no future in internet software at that time and so OPro was born. I'd say that point is that the days when the Acorn market could support companies like Beebug with upto 35 staff are gone. Thats the irresistable force which will make such companies pull out now. >I think my comment was reasonable and not particularly up-tight. >However, your own response to my posting... Following the latest outbreak of 'sig rage' nicotine patches are now available from our web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 01:27:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96782 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 01:27:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929048677:20:02426:34; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118762; 10 Jun 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11827 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:54:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11820 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:54:10 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sBqi-0005AV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:54:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:25:53 GMT Message-Id: <96779@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Throwback from applets & convert protocols X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm playing about with a few applets and would like to trace/report on >their execution - how do I implement the throwback protocol within an >applet (or indeed Basic itself)? OPro actually does throwback for errors during script compilation. ISTR that to produce throwback you have to send a wimp message - see the PRM. Personally I'd end up doing bbc_vdu(4);bbc_vdu(30); bbc_vdu(5); And it all ends up top left on screen. Combined with *spool if you want a record. We've been speculating recently that adding a > to the line invoking the !RunImage will trap all printf() output to a file, and the script langauge prints() uses printf. PipeFS, task windows etc. etc. Dunno if this will get past the copy protection though. >Also has the convertor protocol been published? I've had a look at >!TransHTML but as it's compressed Basic, it's a bind to make any sense >of it. I don't think it has. I could probably give you source. However do you really need it. The transloaders which come with OPro are written as command line programs which take an input file and write to an output file - i.e. simple (this is the bit called !Convert inside them) There's then a standard shell which does all the wimp protocol and passes !Convert the two filenames. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 15:02:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96812 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 15:02:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929108844:10:13171:118; Fri, 11 Jun 99 13:47:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100176; 11 Jun 99 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12848 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:25:06 +0100 Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12678 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:36:42 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0932.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.42]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA08665 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:37:32 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:14:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <2f26141049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 10 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. > Would this be possible? Wow! I'm not a programmer, but that sounds like a huge task. And if the results are anything like the 'grammar checker' in (spit) Word, then t'would be a total waste of time. No - cancel that; the device in Word is, at least, good for a few cheap laughs. -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 17:32:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96819 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 17:31:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929108844:10:13171:118; Fri, 11 Jun 99 13:47:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100176; 11 Jun 99 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA12848 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 14:25:06 +0100 Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12678 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 11:36:42 +0100 Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0932.singnet.com.sg [165.21.58.42]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA08665 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:37:32 +0800 (SGT) Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:14:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <2f26141049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 10 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. > Would this be possible? Wow! I'm not a programmer, but that sounds like a huge task. And if the results are anything like the 'grammar checker' in (spit) Word, then t'would be a total waste of time. No - cancel that; the device in Word is, at least, good for a few cheap laughs. -- Ian Oliver http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 19:19:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96831 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 19:19:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929122422:20:20775:20; Fri, 11 Jun 99 17:33:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118345; 11 Jun 99 17:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13124 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:21:46 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13119 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:21:30 +0100 Received: from modem-199.name69.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.194.199] helo=loopback) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10sV0e-0006PV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 18:22:28 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:59:54 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ethics in business? Message-ID: <49105A3352%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96777@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <96777@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >Acorn didn't give a thought to Beebug, or any other dealer or developer > >when they ditched the platform, no dealer or developer is morally obliged to > >remain 'on board' > > Yes I think Acorn changed the game in September. But up to that time you'd > seen companies like CC and Watford take substantial amounts out of the > Acorn market and spend it elsewhere. But business is business, does Bill > Gates sit around thinking he'd be better spending the money on sorting > out Windows, (which it desperately needs) rather than handing it over to > the shareholders? > > I suspect if you get into the "is this honourable/loyalty to the customers" > type of argument you're just not a good businessman. [snip] There is a certain argument for ethics in business. If you expect brand loyalty from your customers then you have to show customer loyalty. On the other hand I don't think anyone will argue that the bigger the b*stard, the richer they are. It seems to me that layalty to customers is more important in small markets. In a big market there are plenty of the proverbial ones who where born just a moment ago. Further more large markets attract companies with share holders and share holders don't care about the company itself, they just see a cash pump which they expect to see flowing with milk, honey and any number of other pleasent things. -- (\/)atthew Hambley --------------\ "You'd better pray there's inteligent \ life somewhere out in space because snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ there's bugger all down here on Earth" http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/\-------- Monty Python, The Galaxy Song -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 20:47:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96832 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 20:47:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929125704:10:23317:42; Fri, 11 Jun 99 18:28:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023280; 11 Jun 99 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13296 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:18:49 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA13075 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 17:30:13 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sUCz-000HTb-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:31:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 99 15:11:15 GMT Message-Id: <96815@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Wow! I'm not a programmer, but that sounds like a huge task. And if the >results are anything like the 'grammar checker' in (spit) Word, then t'would >be a total waste of time. No - cancel that; the device in Word is, at least, >good for a few cheap laughs. adding the feature as an applet is no big deal. but the clever part is understanding grammar - knowledge that's applicable to any platform, and something a grammer specialist might know, not a programmer. Anyone know of a good source for such info? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 12 02:08:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96840 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jun 99 02:08:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929134950:20:05921:20; Fri, 11 Jun 99 21:02:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005785; 11 Jun 99 21:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13465 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:44:08 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13460 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:43:57 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user184.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.116]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02173 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:44:55 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 21:43:24 +0100 Subject: POBar Applet Message-ID: <4910ab1682marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David: Would it be a difficult job to adjust the POBar applet so that the postcode as typed into the address box on the envelope document could be cut and pasted to the POBar box for coding? If it's not too difficult I'd certainly appreciate it rather than always having to retype the postcode into the box. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 12 15:05:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96860 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jun 99 15:05:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929177767:10:04235:15; Sat, 12 Jun 99 08:56:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112895; 12 Jun 99 8:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA14098 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:43:26 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14093 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:43:10 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.93] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10sjJy-0006Ab-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 08:39:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:08:38 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Ethics in business? To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <49105A3352%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Fri 11 Jun, Matthew Hambley wrote: Snipped... > > There is a certain argument for ethics in business. If you expect brand > loyalty from your customers then you have to show customer loyalty. On the > other hand I don't think anyone will argue that the bigger the b*stard, the > richer they are. It seems to me that layalty to customers is more important > in small markets. In a big market there are plenty of the proverbial ones > who where born just a moment ago. Further more large markets attract > companies with share holders and share holders don't care about the company > itself, they just see a cash pump which they expect to see flowing with > milk, honey and any number of other pleasent things. > And I thought I was alone in thinking these thoughts, and you pop up with similar thoughts. You're quite right, the requisite of loyalty is from employees and customers to shareholders in this country; it's a one-way street. In Britain the outlook of shareholders is short-term, money must flow back from an investment even before the business starts to move, if not it's sold. This doesn't apply in Germany, France and the US, they are more realistic and expect long term results and money ploughed back in training and development. That's why there are few entrepreneurs in this country, innovations get snapped up by foreign investors and then, if they develop, our brave investors buy the shares at higher rates than they would have had to pay if they had bought in at the outset. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 12 15:05:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96862 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jun 99 15:05:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929179630:10:18851:25; Sat, 12 Jun 99 09:27:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019047; 12 Jun 99 9:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14226 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:19:34 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA14221 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:19:22 +0100 Received: from (62.188.136.109) [62.188.136.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10sjxj-0004KW-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:20:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:08:06 +0100 Subject: Re: !TransRTF problem..... Message-ID: <4910ef446esteve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <94984@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <94984@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11f (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <94984@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Well I've tried both methods in the release notes, no joy with either > >I'm sorry to say :( > Yes but what does happen. Do you get wrong looking text (as someone else > just reported - I'd select all and change the size in that case), do you > see the disc drive light pulse as the transloader is launched, you can > also look at the task display which should jump as the transloader runs > and then quits. > Anyway if its a small RTF file, send me a copy and I'll try it. A small clue on this one David, if you select all and increase the text effect leading to a reasonable figure this type of RTF translation failure is curable. Alternately select ALL text and remove all effects - the text becomes reasonably spaced and is legible. It looks as though the TransRTF loader assumes a leading value of 0 (zero) and line spacing value of 0 (zero) unless told otherwise. The file I have also screws up when loaded into Publisher. (7k of AGM minutes file) not included here... * SteveP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 12 15:05:43 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96867 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jun 99 15:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929183014:20:05542:24; Sat, 12 Jun 99 10:23:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125088; 12 Jun 99 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA14360 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:04:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA14355 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:04:07 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10skf3-00068l-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:05:14 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 09:46:52 GMT Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 10:46:33 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: <7cc9f21049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Thu 10 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > > > I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. > > Would this be possible? > > Wow! I'm not a programmer, but that sounds like a huge task. And if the > results are anything like the 'grammar checker' in (spit) Word, then t'would > be a total waste of time. No - cancel that; the device in Word is, at least, > good for a few cheap laughs. > Well, it would be useful, for example, to identify the same word written twice, which happens when cutting and pasting. That ca -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 12 18:16:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96887 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jun 99 18:16:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929205708:20:14681:19; Sat, 12 Jun 99 16:41:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014249; 12 Jun 99 16:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA14703 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:30:05 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA14696 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:29:43 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sqgF-000Nz4-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:30:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 99 17:28:10 GMT Message-Id: <96879@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransRTF problem..... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It looks as though the TransRTF loader assumes a leading value of 0 (zero) >and line spacing value of 0 (zero) unless told otherwise. Good suggestion. Hmm. I don't think we have the source code for TransRTF. Does anyone know the whereabouts of Rob Clark (who wrote it)? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 12 18:16:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96888 for opro ; Sat, 12 Jun 99 18:16:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929205588:10:17733:24; Sat, 12 Jun 99 16:39:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108302; 12 Jun 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA14706 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 17:30:08 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA13400 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:39:01 +0100 Received: from (bk52.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.69.27] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10sWDe-000180-00; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:39:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 19:39:14 +0100 (BST) From: Paul De Luca Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96815@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 11 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > adding the feature as an applet is no big deal. but the clever part is > understanding grammar - knowledge that's applicable to any platform, > and something a grammer specialist might know, not a programmer. > Anyone know of a good source for such info? > > I'd suggest contacting (London, AEB) examination boards for A-Level, afterall, some have syllabii (sp? Is there a spell checker for Edit?) for A-Level English Language. This is not to be confused with A-Level English which, as far as I can tell, revolves around literature. Ciao -- - Paul De Luca O O BEd BA MSc MBCS - ------------------------------uu--U--uu------------------------------ - Compared to the Acorn Risc PC, any fool can see that PCs are crap, except the fools that matter. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- - PGP Key fingerprint: 38 F6 0A 91 09 74 24 F2 8D 0F 12 DA 28 D8 F0 6A -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:02:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96902 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:02:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929254301:20:16692:16; Sun, 13 Jun 99 06:11:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119505; 13 Jun 99 6:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA15631 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:02:50 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA15626 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:02:33 +0100 Received: from (193.149.91.16) [193.149.91.16] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10t3Mz-00039e-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 07:03:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 06:59:37 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #172 Message-ID: <491161d834colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906111723.SAA13134@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199906111723.SAA13134@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 11 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > There is a certain argument for ethics in business. If you > expect brand loyalty from your customers then you have to show > customer loyalty. On the other hand I don't think anyone will > argue that the bigger the b*stard, the richer they are. It seems > to me that layalty to customers is more important in small > markets. In a big market there are plenty of the proverbial ones > who where born just a moment ago. Further more large markets > attract companies with share holders and share holders don't care > about the company itself, they just see a cash pump which they > expect to see flowing with milk, honey and any number of other > pleasent things. I subscribe to this list for one reason, to get information to enable me to use Ovation Pro to its fullest. I can get this sort of thing cloggin my news downloading every day, please can we stick to OvnPro ;) I agree it is relevant to the fact that we are all supporting David, but if we are all in the real world then the above sums up most of it - now back to work ! -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:03:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96904 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:03:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929262805:20:07557:16; Sun, 13 Jun 99 08:33:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007502; 13 Jun 99 8:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA15798 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:25:10 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA15791 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:24:48 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.97] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10t5Vv-0003Tk-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 08:21:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 16:03:55 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <7cc9f21049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 12 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Thu 10 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > > > > > I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. > > > Would this be possible? > > > > Wow! I'm not a programmer, but that sounds like a huge task. And if the > > results are anything like the 'grammar checker' in (spit) Word, then t'would > > be a total waste of time. No - cancel that; the device in Word is, at least, > > good for a few cheap laughs. > > > Well, it would be useful, for example, to identify the same word written twice, which > happens when cutting and pasting. That cannot be that difficult, can it? > I suggest, if you're really serious about a grammar check, that you get John Duddington's !Speak program. This will read back your text and if it sounds right it probably will be right. Grammar is subjective in many cases, so it is very difficult to analyse. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:03:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96915 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929299730:20:09750:17; Sun, 13 Jun 99 18:48:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009690; 13 Jun 99 18:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16844 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:40:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA16839 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:40:38 +0100 Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tFCk-0002FQ-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:42:02 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 11:33:41 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:30:26 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Speech Message-ID: <4911802220%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message JWB Greenwood wrote: [large snip] > if you're really serious about a grammar check, that you get John > Duddington's !Speak program. > I'd be glad to know where from -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:03:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96922 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:03:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929314119:20:28753:16; Sun, 13 Jun 99 22:48:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028561; 13 Jun 99 22:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17162 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:40:25 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA17157 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:40:12 +0100 Received: from modem-108.silicon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.236] helo=loopback) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tIwc-0005ZK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:41:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:32:23 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ethics in business? Message-ID: <4911BCBC95%snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.23 (11 Feb 1999) alpha-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message J W B Greenwood wrote: [snip my bit on the subject] > And I thought I was alone in thinking these thoughts, and you pop up with > similar thoughts. You're quite right, the requisite of loyalty is from > employees and customers to shareholders in this country; it's a one-way > street. In Britain the outlook of shareholders is short-term, money must > flow back from an investment even before the business starts to move, if > not it's sold. This doesn't apply in Germany, France and the US, they are > more realistic and expect long term results and money ploughed back in > training and development. That's why there are few entrepreneurs in this > country, innovations get snapped up by foreign investors and then, if > they develop, our brave investors buy the shares at higher rates than > they would have had to pay if they had bought in at the outset. Didn't you know, I have a detached retina in my second sight. I often copy peoples ideas before they have them. :-) I don't have any proof of this but my gut fealing is that this cronic shortsightedness started to manifest itself in the 70's and really took hold in the 80's. Basically I think the problem with Britain is that the country is run by accountants. Now I would be the first to acknowledge that we need accountants if for no other reason than to act as a brake on the engineers who would quite happily spend money on a project for ever. However accountants are a *support* profession. Their job is to support the inventive people in their quest to invent. Unfortunately just as the inventive people (scientists and engineers in my experience but I imagine also artists and authors) tend to see invention as an end in itself accountants tend to see money as an end in itself. Personally speaking I feel that invention is a higher goal than money but then I'm often concidered bonkers. Particularly by accountants. -- (\/)atthew Hambley --------------\ "You'd better pray there's inteligent \ life somewhere out in space because snowyowl@therealm.freeserve.co.uk \ there's bugger all down here on Earth" http://www.therealm.freeserve.co.uk/\-------- Monty Python, The Galaxy Song -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:04:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96925 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929227177:10:12528:15; Sat, 12 Jun 99 22:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108697; 12 Jun 99 22:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA15124 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:29:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA15119 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:28:47 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.19) [193.149.77.19] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10swHn-0000Ed-00; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 23:30:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:48:48 +0100 Subject: Re: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <49108a9f3clionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4910058aecrayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> <4910058aecra User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4910058aecrayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > Try removing TransTIFF and letting TransFSI take over. TransFSI is in > your Ovation Pro Filters directory, or perhaps as in my case you have put > it into Boot:Resources. Thanks for that Ray, and to David Pilling. It seems that during the process of an OP upgrade I had left the Filters directory in the directory containing OP rather than within the OP directory. Having just moved it - problem solved. How that happened I am not sure, probably interrupted whilst in the process and then forgot where I was at. Regards Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:04:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96932 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:04:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929374775:20:20961:15; Mon, 14 Jun 99 15:39:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125278; 14 Jun 99 15:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18550 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:10:17 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA18545 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:10:05 +0100 Received: from (193.149.82.211) [193.149.82.211] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10tYNH-00054k-00; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:10:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <49120dbe48richto@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.06i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 12 Jun, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > I agree that that would be useful. > (or is this _not_ proper grammer?) Indeed, any useful grammar checker would need to distinguish between that that that, which is perfectly valid, and that that that which is an unintended error. That that would be useful is undeniable; that that would be possible and practicable to code is rather less certain :-) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers | 01736 757941 | Posting from a | | richto@argonet.co.uk | St. Erth, Cornwall | Wintel-free zone | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:05:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96934 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:05:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929263743:10:08755:17; Sun, 13 Jun 99 08:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008660; 13 Jun 99 8:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA15889 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:40:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA15884 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:40:34 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.32) [193.149.72.32] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10t5pu-00059h-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:41:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Jun 99 (09:11:24 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 11 Jun 99 (19:39:14 +0100), pauldeluca@bcs.org.uk wrote: Is there a spell checker for Edit?) You could try using SpellBank from SEMERC (or me!). It is not exactly a spell checker but can be used in that way. (Sorry to advertise, but you did ask.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:06:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96940 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:06:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929273837:10:18450:15; Sun, 13 Jun 99 11:37:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018431; 13 Jun 99 11:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA16269 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:27:27 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA16264 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 12:27:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 2833 invoked from network); 13 Jun 1999 11:28:32 -0000 Received: from 66-096.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.96) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 1999 11:28:32 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 22:25:50 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <7cc9f21049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <7cc9f21049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> Neill McNeill wrote: > In message you wrote: > > > On Thu 10 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > > > > > I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. > > > Would this be possible? > Well, it would be useful, for example, to identify the same word written > twice, which happens when cutting and pasting. That cannot be that difficult, > can it? (sorry, can't resist) I agree that that would be useful. (or is this _not_ proper grammer?) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles 183 Aston Clinton Road, Aylesbury, Bucks HP22 5AD Tel: (+44) 01296 632431 Text Pager: (+44) 0336 721439 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:06:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96943 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:06:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929290370:10:03886:80; Sun, 13 Jun 99 16:12:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003869; 13 Jun 99 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA16514 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:03:44 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA16509 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:03:28 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tCkX-0007Oh-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:04:45 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 16:03:57 GMT Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 17:03:50 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message <7cc9f21049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> > Neill McNeill wrote: > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > On Thu 10 Jun, Neill McNeill wrote: > > > > > > > I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. > > > > Would this be possible? > > > Well, it would be useful, for example, to identify the same word written > > twice, which happens when cutting and pasting. That cannot be that difficult, > > can it? > > (sorry, can't resist) > > I agree that that would be useful. > > (or is this _not_ proper grammer?) > > Brian. > Of course you might produce two thats in a row which makes sense, but a spellcheck cannot spot "practice" when it is incorrect, Well, I have to say that there seems to be no agreed perception of grammar(note the correct spelling). We need to distinguish i What is it, after all that would be needed? As far as I am concerned, it is for school reports. So what I don't want is, phrase | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common|LONDON SW16| |Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7|48Mb| |Email:neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| |Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:06:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96946 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:06:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929295078:10:07209:16; Sun, 13 Jun 99 17:31:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006988; 13 Jun 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA16702 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:18:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA16696 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:18:21 +0100 Received: from (62.188.132.198) [62.188.132.198] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10tDv6-0003ky-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:19:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Jun 99 18:06:35 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 13 Jun 99 , robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On Fri 11 Jun 99 (19:39:14 +0100), pauldeluca@bcs.org.uk wrote: > > > > Is there a spell checker for Edit?) > > > >You could try using SpellBank from SEMERC (or me!). It is not exactly >a spell checker but can be used in that way. (Sorry to advertise, but >you did ask.) Or David Pilling's !Spell. Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:06:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96953 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:06:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929313658:10:07294:18; Sun, 13 Jun 99 22:40:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120784; 13 Jun 99 22:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA17112 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:30:01 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA17107 for ; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:29:49 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.130.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10tImY-0001B1-00; Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:31:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 19:53:16 +0100 Subject: Re: Grammar check - Speech Message-ID: <4911a8ad25rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4911802220%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> References: <4911802220%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4911802220%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk>, Norman Thomas wrote: > In message JWB Greenwood > wrote: > [large snip] > > if you're really serious about a grammar check, that you get John > > Duddington's !Speak program. > > > I'd be glad to know where from Web site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jsd Email jsd@argonet.co.uk Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:07:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96964 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:07:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929356271:10:01448:34; Mon, 14 Jun 99 10:31:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118569; 14 Jun 99 10:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA17997 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:18:41 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17992 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:18:28 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-98.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.98]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA12645 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:18:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:06:27 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 12 Jun, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > > (sorry, can't resist) > > I agree that that would be useful. > > (or is this _not_ proper grammer?) > Pedantic point: probably depends on your use of commas. 'I agree, that would be useful'. Serious point: you have hit the nail on the head: it depends on your prefered style. Some constructions are better than others of course, and some are so bad that most (but hardly ever all) would agree they should be called errors. It would be a brave soul who recknoned they could identify all the definite errors, and propose corrections, and not offend anyone, and convert those rules into an applet. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:07:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96969 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:07:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929383968:10:02832:17; Mon, 14 Jun 99 18:12:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002797; 14 Jun 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18815 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:59:54 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18810 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:59:38 +0100 Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tb1N-000Bok-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:59:45 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 17:53:06 GMT Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 18:50:24 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Speech Message-ID: <491226C193%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4911a8ad25rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <4911a8ad25rayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > > > Duddington's !Speak program. can be obtained from > > Web site http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jsd > > Email jsd@argonet.co.uk Many thanks. I'll follow that up. -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 14 22:57:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96997 for opro ; Mon, 14 Jun 99 22:57:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929395260:10:10068:23; Mon, 14 Jun 99 21:21:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123663; 14 Jun 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19077 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:06:12 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19072 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 22:06:00 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tdvn-000BQp-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:06:12 +0000 Date: Sun, 13 Jun 99 01:33:21 GMT Message-Id: <96898@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: POBar Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Would it be a difficult job to adjust the POBar applet so that the postcode >as typed into the address box on the envelope document could be cut and >pasted to the POBar box for coding? You can already... just mark the text in the document, copy it to the clip board, caret in the PO Bar applet and Ctrl V to paste it. Inside OPro, the clipboard works with any icon. So for example it is easy to copy macro definitions from a document into the macro window. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 15 18:53:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97046 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jun 99 18:52:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929460098:10:20268:19; Tue, 15 Jun 99 15:21:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112702; 15 Jun 99 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA20045 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:02:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA20040 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:01:48 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.117) [194.69.104.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10tuj1-0004iK-00; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:02:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:36:48 +0100 Subject: A Request ! Message-ID: <491298ddf4colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <491161d834colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> References: <199906111723.SAA13134@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <491161d834colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi ! Just a thought, but whilst working on a job, I have noticed that to rotate objects takes roughly 4 clicks. In !Artworks (although I hate to use the word or the program) you can hold adjust down and select another object and then apply the rotation. Then you can hold adjust down, select another, . . . etc Or am I missing something ? Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 15 20:55:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97069 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jun 99 20:55:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929476242:10:24970:16; Tue, 15 Jun 99 19:50:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024912; 15 Jun 99 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20288 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:37:52 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20282 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:37:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tz21-000Jzl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:38:02 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 99 19:08:46 GMT Message-Id: <97053@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: A Request ! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Just a thought, but whilst working on a job, I have noticed that to >rotate objects takes roughly 4 clicks. In !Artworks (although I >hate to use the word or the program) you can hold adjust down and >select another object and then apply the rotation. Then you can >hold adjust down, select another, . . . etc Well once you have selected the rotate tool, you can then use it to select other objects. The situation is a bit akin to magnify. People said "oh this is much easier in Impression just hold down control+shift", and we eneded up providing control+alt+ select tool to act as magnify. In the same way some other combination could make the select tool rotate, but eventually you'll run out of key combinations or memory to remember them all. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 15 20:56:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97070 for opro ; Tue, 15 Jun 99 20:56:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929476305:10:25453:17; Tue, 15 Jun 99 19:51:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100056; 15 Jun 99 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20295 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:38:16 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20290 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 20:38:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10tz23-000Jzl-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 19:38:03 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 99 19:22:55 GMT Message-Id: <97055@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New on my web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro New things on my web sites (i.e. the ones in the sig line below) SparkFS 1.35 CPIO and Red Hat package manager support Chess 2.08 patch from 2.06 KeyFix 1.06 PhoneDay2 1.00 converts ArcFax and Hearsay phonebooks to the new numbers Class1VA latest Class 1 fax modem driver Freshen 1.05 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 16 01:18:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97092 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 01:18:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929484434:20:06868:21; Tue, 15 Jun 99 22:07:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac2006879; 15 Jun 99 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA20595 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:46:31 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA20590 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:46:19 +0100 Received: (qmail 17093 invoked from network); 15 Jun 1999 21:46:18 -0000 Received: from userm348.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.78.144) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 1999 21:46:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 22:44:04 +0100 Subject: Re: A Request ! Message-ID: <4912bffc59df.symes@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97053@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <97053@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <97053@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Just a thought, but whilst working on a job, I have noticed that to > >rotate objects takes roughly 4 clicks. In !Artworks (although I > >hate to use the word or the program) you can hold adjust down and > >select another object and then apply the rotation. Then you can > >hold adjust down, select another, . . . etc > Well once you have selected the rotate tool, you can then use it > to select other objects. > The situation is a bit akin to magnify. People said "oh this is much > easier in Impression just hold down control+shift", and we eneded up > providing control+alt+ select tool to act as magnify. > In the same way some other combination could make the select tool > rotate, but eventually you'll run out of key combinations or memory to > remember them all. > David Pilling Erm!... I can remember Ctrl-C, V, and X.... Oh yes F3 to Save and F4 to Find things... If I remember to turn offffff some bothering applet that's hijacked it. Can't remember any other key combinations at the mo... :-) Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 16 03:43:41 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97107 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 03:43:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929496624:20:05955:17; Wed, 16 Jun 99 01:30:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005754; 16 Jun 99 1:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA20949 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 02:06:45 +0100 Received: from mail-relay.power.net.uk (mail-relay.power.net.uk [195.60.31.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA20718 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 00:00:13 +0100 Received: from english.powernet.co.uk (natcust83.powernet.co.uk [195.60.5.83]) by mail-relay.power.net.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id XAA23614 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:56:17 +0100 (GMT/BST) Received: from catchline (10.0.1.1) by Caslon.english.co.uk; Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:43:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:44:21 +0100 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: <3f81c51249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96815@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > >Wow! I'm not a programmer, but that sounds like a huge task. And if the > >results are anything like the 'grammar checker' in (spit) Word, then t'would > >be a total waste of time. No - cancel that; the device in Word is, at least, > >good for a few cheap laughs. > > adding the feature as an applet is no big deal. but the clever part is > understanding grammar - knowledge that's applicable to any platform, > and something a grammer specialist might know, not a programmer. > Anyone know of a good source for such info? > David Pilling We're just producing a book on the state of the art in speech and language technology at the moment (Using OvPro, of course!). Believe me, a decent grammar checker is a non-trivial task. The problem is that the user has to be rather better than the grammar checker so they can spot all the mistakes the grammar-checker makes. That's why grammar-checking softare is still largely the domain of linguists .... David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 16 13:52:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97115 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 13:52:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929516332:10:00915:16; Wed, 16 Jun 99 06:58:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111081; 16 Jun 99 6:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA21184 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:46:13 +0100 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA21179 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:45:59 +0100 Received: from modem-5.yttrium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.19.5] helo=wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10u9Sq-0001ep-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:46:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 07:44:51 +0100 (BST) From: W J Murphy Subject: Red underline spellchecker To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3f81c51249%Support@Gill.english.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: The Free Account (That means I ain't paying!) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've turned on this red unlining spellchecking and saved it in the default document. I can't remember where I turned it on and now want to turn off. Where is it? -- Bill Murphy http://www.wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk mailto:Billy@wjmurphy.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 16 18:13:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97151 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 18:13:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929552615:10:16507:32; Wed, 16 Jun 99 17:03:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108339; 16 Jun 99 17:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA22615 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:43:14 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22608 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:42:50 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10uHqB-0003Wk-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 15:43:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 16:22:11 GMT Message-Id: <97143@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Red underline spellchecker X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've turned on this red unlining spellchecking and saved it in the >default document. I can't remember where I turned it on and now want to >turn off. Where is it? Main menu -> View -> Options -> Spelling errors Then File -> Save as default David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 16 20:46:18 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97155 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 20:46:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929562007:20:16962:0; Wed, 16 Jun 99 19:40:07 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122576; 16 Jun 99 19:40 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uLXV-0001JC-0A for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:40:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:40:07 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: New on my web site To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <97055@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Tue 15 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > New things on my web sites (i.e. the ones in the sig line below) > > SparkFS 1.35 CPIO and Red Hat package manager support [snip] > Freshen 1.05 Thanks David. I was able to upgrade from 1.33 to 1.34 and then from that patch to 1.35! Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 16 22:05:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97166 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:05:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929566897:10:09658:16; Wed, 16 Jun 99 21:01:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108298; 16 Jun 99 21:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA23628 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:49:53 +0100 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23623 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:49:41 +0100 Received: from modem-92.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.4.220] helo=lcessford) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10uMdV-00088W-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:50:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 20:41:22 +0100 From: Alex Cessford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: New on my web site Message-ID: <5e96381349.Alex@lcessford.freeserve.co.uk> References: <97055@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97055@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <97055@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: Hi, > New things on my web sites (i.e. the ones in the sig line below) > KeyFix 1.06 > PhoneDay2 1.00 converts ArcFax and Hearsay phonebooks to the new numbers Been there tonight, your site, (netlink.co.uk/users/pilling), last updated 6th June, but these three not visible - am I looking in the wrong place? -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 16 22:05:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97167 for opro ; Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:05:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929567030:10:10912:19; Wed, 16 Jun 99 21:03:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010804; 16 Jun 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA23672 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:54:59 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23664 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:54:46 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user184.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.116]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA05334 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:55:19 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:48:38 +0100 Subject: Re: POBar Applet Message-ID: <49133ebf0dmarteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96898@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96898@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 13 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >Would it be a difficult job to adjust the POBar applet so that the > >postcode as typed into the address box on the envelope document could > >be cut and pasted to the POBar box for coding? > You can already... just mark the text in the document, copy it to the > clip board, caret in the PO Bar applet and Ctrl V to paste it. > Inside OPro, the clipboard works with any icon. So for example it is > easy to copy macro definitions from a document into the macro window. Silly me - so simple yet...... I was trying to drag as you can from Impact data fields straight into OPro. Errrmmm... is that not possible? Don't throw things at me - just wondered! Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 01:33:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97176 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 01:33:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929571102:10:20873:23; Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:11:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128249; 16 Jun 99 22:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23994 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:59:02 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23982 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:58:38 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10uNiE-000P1x-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:59:14 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:07:56 GMT Message-Id: <97168@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: New on my web site X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> KeyFix 1.06 >> PhoneDay2 1.00 converts ArcFax and Hearsay phonebooks to the new numbers >Been there tonight, your site, (netlink.co.uk/users/pilling), last >updated 6th June, but these three not visible - am I looking in the >wrong place? Free software page... I always try to dload things after uploading them. So I must have been able to dload them before I put up the messsage. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 01:33:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97175 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 01:33:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929570953:20:02770:21; Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:09:13 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002733; 16 Jun 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23995 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:59:02 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23986 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 22:58:40 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10uNiG-000P1x-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 16 Jun 1999 21:59:17 +0000 Date: Wed, 16 Jun 99 22:08:05 GMT Message-Id: <97170@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: POBar Applet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I was trying to drag as you can from Impact data fields straight into OPro. >Errrmmm... is that not possible? No. I agree it would be a nice feature. I've even done it in ArcFax. Should really be provided by RISC OS rather than by individual programs. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 13:36:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97183 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 13:36:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929581980:20:05279:19; Thu, 17 Jun 99 01:13:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005170; 17 Jun 99 1:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA24482 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:02:28 +0100 Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [202.37.66.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA24477 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 02:02:10 +0100 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25291 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:02:32 +1200 (NZST) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:38:20 +1200 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 03:38:19 +1200 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: References: <49120dbe48richto@argonet.co.uk> Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 22 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:02 NZS Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Richard Travers writes: > Indeed, any useful grammar checker would need to distinguish between > that that that, which is perfectly valid, and that that that which is an > unintended error. That that would be useful is undeniable; that that > would be possible and practicable to code is rather less certain :-) Ok. Smith, whereas Jones had had "had had", had had "had had had". Had "had had had" had the teacher's approval, Smith would have passed. Now give that to someone sans punctuation and see what they make of it. :) More to the point, and more on topic, find a grammar checking algorithm that accepts it! -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 13:36:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97192 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 13:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929615146:10:03641:38; Thu, 17 Jun 99 10:25:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100652; 17 Jun 99 10:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA25878 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:11:33 +0100 Received: from hinge.mistral.co.uk (hinge.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA25873 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:11:19 +0100 Received: from s.v.ellacott.mistral.co.uk (d3-s40-200-telehouse.mistral.co.uk [195.184.228.200]) by hinge.mistral.co.uk (8.8.5/ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 11:11:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 17 Jun, Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > > It seems to me that a simple imperfect version that would pick up > glaring errors (usually the result of moving blocks of text around) > would be useful. Perhaps even such a trivial one is too difficult to > implement. > > Tuesday, I asked Prof Donia Scott (who is professor of language engineering here at Brighton) if she knew anything about this topic. She said that she had not personally worked on it, but knew of people who had recently written one and would pass on the reference. So as soon as I get hold of this, someone can get to work:-). While I an not certain, it is possible that the work she referred to is for a published algorithm or program which could perhaps be ported. Watch this space. (However, it is doubtful that I will have time to work on it myself.) Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 13:36:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97193 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 13:36:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929612078:20:29518:18; Thu, 17 Jun 99 09:34:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029512; 17 Jun 99 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA25655 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:23:37 +0100 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA25650 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:23:21 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:23:17 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA28726 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:22:07 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 10:22:04 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Jun, Julian Wright wrote: > Richard Travers writes: > > > Indeed, any useful grammar checker would need to distinguish between > > that that that, which is perfectly valid, and that that that which is an > > unintended error. That that would be useful is undeniable; that that > > would be possible and practicable to code is rather less certain :-) > I know there are a lot of problems in implementing a grammar-checker, but there seem to be two lines of discussion. Many of the arguments that I have read could be adapted to prove that we should not be able to check spelling. We do not have to accept spellings that we do not like, and I hope that a grammar-checker that alerted an author to a possible error would still leave freedom to chose. It would be good to clarify the arguments. It seems to me that a simple imperfect version that would pick up glaring errors (usually the result of moving blocks of text around) would be useful. Perhaps even such a trivial one is too difficult to implement. Don Lewis -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 13:37:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97197 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 13:37:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929618449:20:28313:26; Thu, 17 Jun 99 11:20:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102886; 17 Jun 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26160 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:06:17 +0100 Received: from mail-out.euro.apple.com (mail-out1.euro.apple.com [194.151.19.115]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26155 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:06:01 +0100 Received: from relay.euro.apple.com (A17-71-100-20.apple.com [17.71.100.20]) by mail-out.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA17431 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 13:07:49 +0100 (WET DST) Received: from xn064.xemplar.co.uk ([17.69.216.25]) by relay.euro.apple.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA15139 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 12:06:41 +0100 (WET DST) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:54:29 +0100 (BST) From: Mike Hobbs Subject: Re: POBar Applet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <97170@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Xemplar Education Ltd X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 16 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >I was trying to drag as you can from Impact data fields straight into OPro. > >Errrmmm... is that not possible? > > No. I agree it would be a nice feature. I've even done it in ArcFax. > Should really be provided by RISC OS rather than by individual programs. > > David Pilling Perhaps my KlikMacro application would be useful. I use it for dragging fields from other databases and inserting them into apps that don't accept the drag. I could send you the demo. Full version is available from iSV Products. Admittedly its a 3 stage process (drag to KM clipboard, click where text is to be inserted and click 'Insert') but it may be useful. The other thing I use is !PtrCopy which allows copying of System font text from the screen to input focus. Fine if you have System font in the data fields, otherwise useless. Regards, -- Mike Hobbs -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 17 22:11:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97230 for opro ; Thu, 17 Jun 99 22:11:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929644863:10:06562:44; Thu, 17 Jun 99 18:41:03 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006766; 17 Jun 99 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA27137 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:27:47 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA27132 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 19:27:30 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop6-07.access.ch [195.112.70.7]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA11360; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:28:12 +0200 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:22:53 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Greetings, Snipping all preceding comments on this topic, allow some remarks for those wishing grammar checking, based on many years experience. A spell checker is an absolute must as even the best linguistics will always consult dictionaries. Here a computer can help. Especially as on screen editing is far more prone to errors than the old fashioned paper and pencil way. But grammar checking is actually wanting a uniform program -and one cannot consider a computer to have multiple reasoning for the time being- to correct your personal style to a uniform grammar style. What would persons as Shakespeare, Voltaire, Goethe, etc., etc., believe of such idiosyncrasy. It is because of the "personal style" when writing that a language develops itself. Every writer has his/her own way of expression, of feeling. Maybe at times also adapted to the person for whom the document is written. How do you program the feelings/thoughts of approx. 5.000.000.000 souls on this earth into a uniform grammar checking program? .... And this reminds me of the many experiences in my life regarding printed documents: very few persons really do know to read and to understand what they are reading. Or have already made up their minds after a few words and are not willing or not able to digest what follows in the text to then correctly understand the text they just read. Even persons considered to be highly intelligent. In other words: you must carefully check the text yourself!!! And consider whether the recipient will understand your meaning. Let us not try to "computerize" a personal style. On the other hand I do understand stupid mistakes that come from typing on a keyboard. And it gets worse when 'cutting' and 'pasting' text. You can then end up with a word followed by itself. Or 2 full stops, or 2 comma's. But these are technical-linguistic-problems. Not grammatical problems. An applet for the technical-linguistic cases I fully approve. If one wishes a personal grammatical style, one is responsible for it and may not blame a computer program to be at fault. And one may not believe that a computer will ever be able to mastermind one's cultural and linguistic abilities and thoughts. There are multi-trillion possibilties... Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 01:46:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97237 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 01:46:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929657983:20:22030:18; Thu, 17 Jun 99 22:19:43 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115399; 17 Jun 99 22:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27423 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:03:14 +0100 Received: from mnhep.hep.umn.edu (mnhep.hep.umn.edu [128.101.222.180]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA27418 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:02:58 +0100 Received: by mnhep.hep.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:03:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:03:48 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: <990617170348.2740143f@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R We recently had a similar discussion here when it was suggested that students homework (this is a Physics dept btw) should be subjected by graders to a first pass through the MS-Word spell and grammar checkers. Although many physics students' powers of English could certainly use improvement, I did think this an inane idea. However, the most intelligent insight in the discussion came form someone who agreed that while many of the grammar checker's complaints were either stupid or comical, it did often spot mistakes that would be missed by casual proofreading (for example mistakenly repeated words, or a question with the ? missing). I think this is a good point - yes, the grammar checker probably will fault the "had had had" example which has been running in this discussion for several messages - but that doesn't really matter; if you wrote that, and know it to be correct, then great: you know better than the program. Most of the time it flags "had had", though, it's more likely to be an editing mistake than a legitimate usage. In this sense the grammar checker is providing a quite useful function. It's quite like spell-checking in a way - most of the errors flagged there (in my experience) are because of mis-typing, rather than not knowing how to spell the word. All the above should be taken in the context that I have never actually used any grammar checker, so probably don't know what I'm talking about! Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 01:46:57 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97238 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 01:46:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929657675:10:07448:22; Thu, 17 Jun 99 22:14:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127340; 17 Jun 99 22:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27416 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:01:41 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (root@dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27411 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:01:28 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-157.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.157]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA28121 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 07:32:13 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 08:16:49 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R It would be good if David could rebuild Ovation with a new name etc. and then do an upgrade path so that we can pay him directly rather than going through a firm that is pulling out of the Risc OS field. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 14:03:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97256 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:03:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929673382:10:02646:57; Fri, 18 Jun 99 02:36:22 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103750; 18 Jun 99 2:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA27945 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:21:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27933 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:21:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10uoIG-000K4X-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:22:12 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 99 01:49:39 GMT Message-Id: <97244@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It would be good if David could rebuild Ovation with a new name etc. and >then do an upgrade path so that we can pay him directly rather than >going through a firm that is pulling out of the Risc OS field. Just wait until next week, and see what happens... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 14:03:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97257 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929673464:10:03133:15; Fri, 18 Jun 99 02:37:44 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002991; 18 Jun 99 2:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA27946 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:21:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA27937 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 03:21:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10uoII-000K4X-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 02:22:14 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 99 01:49:49 GMT Message-Id: <97246@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >students homework (this is a Physics dept btw) should be subjected by >graders to a first pass through the MS-Word spell and grammar checkers. Presumeably you're checking to see if they've used the checkers in MS word. It's a bit like when you find errors in the newspapers, haven't these guys got spell checkers... I suppose there is good writing and bad, and ideally you'd like a program that could tell the difference and point the writer in the right direction. You don't expect there to be just one optimal solution. And if grammar checkers were that good, a lot of professional writers would be out of a job. There also has to be a line between technical stuff which you might get a program to do, and appreciating the contents of whats been written, do you want a program that gives Shakespeare 10/10 and Jeffrey Archer 1/10. >All the above should be taken in the context that I have never actually >used any grammar checker, so probably don't know what I'm tal In one of my forrays MS word didn't let me get far, the suggestions were good, but it misunderstood what I was writing, and why it was actually right. The applet 'fluff' should take out repeated commas etc. I don't why we don't have an applet for taking out repeated words, because that is a common problem, and one I've always thought should be tackled. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 14:03:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97258 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:03:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929685984:10:15140:15; Fri, 18 Jun 99 06:06:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104450; 18 Jun 99 6:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA28191 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:56:13 +0100 Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA28186 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:56:02 +0100 Received: from rogerl.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr00-22.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.22]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id GAA17878 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:56:47 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 06:56:32 +0100 (BST) From: Roger E Lakeman Subject: Re: Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <97244@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: InterNet Police Club. www.policeclub.com +44 (0)1235 813658 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >It would be good if David could rebuild Ovation with a new name etc. and > >then do an upgrade path so that we can pay him directly rather than > >going through a firm that is pulling out of the Risc OS field. > > Just wait until next week, and see what happens... Ooooo! can't wait ..... :-) -- Roger Lakeman InterNet Police Club. www.policeclub.com +44 (0)1235 813658 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 14:04:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97280 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929706029:20:15300:32; Fri, 18 Jun 99 11:40:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124330; 18 Jun 99 11:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28972 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:23:29 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA28967 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:23:13 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA26500 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:24:10 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <376A2BFB.619B5F40@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:22:35 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? References: <990617170348.2740143f@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Graham Allan wrote: > > We recently had a similar discussion here when it was suggested that > students homework (this is a Physics dept btw) should be subjected by > graders to a first pass through the MS-Word spell and grammar checkers. > Although many physics students' powers of English could certainly use > improvement, I did think this an inane idea. However, the most > intelligent insight in the discussion came form someone who agreed that > while many of the grammar checker's complaints were either stupid or > comical, it did often spot mistakes that would be missed by casual > proofreading (for example mistakenly repeated words, or a question with > the ? missing). > I am a dyslexic biologist working in an electronic engineering dept. (the last statement was NOT a Joke). I find all RISC OS programs easier to use than anything Big Bill produces. But I find the grammar checker catches quite a few mistakes that get by the spell check. There only 2 times when I use word instead of OP. They are:- 1 producing word files (for others in the dept to use). 2 inserting a spread sheet into a text document. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2730/2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 14:04:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97283 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:04:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929707061:20:04348:16; Fri, 18 Jun 99 11:57:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103338; 18 Jun 99 11:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA29060 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:46:03 +0100 Received: from kiwi.mail.easynet.net (kiwi.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA29055 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:45:52 +0100 Received: from alan.harvey.ukonline.co.uk (tnt-1-112.easynet.co.uk [195.40.206.112]) by kiwi.mail.easynet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 33528DB85 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:46:35 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 12:35:04 +0100 (BST) From: alan harvey Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <97246@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 18 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > Presumeably you're checking to see if they've used the checkers > in MS word. It's a bit like when you find errors in the newspapers, > haven't these guys got spell checkers... I find a lot of newspaper errors are caused because they DO use a spell checker in place of proof reading - ie words that exist but are wrong in the context eg their/there > The applet 'fluff' should take out repeated commas etc. I don't why we don't > have an applet for taking out repeated words, because that is a common > problem, and one I've always thought should be tackled. Would a grammar checker have spotted the missing word 'know' from that sentence? -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 17:46:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97307 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 17:46:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929721537:20:05233:17; Fri, 18 Jun 99 15:58:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004592; 18 Jun 99 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA29779 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:43:01 +0100 Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA29772 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:42:47 +0100 Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-pm07-18.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.228.146]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA28306 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:43:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 16:32:27 +0100 From: John Woodthorpe To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: References: <6448cf1349%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6448cf1349%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> X-Organization: ArmLink User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.70) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <6448cf1349%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > Maybe 'Grammar' is too strong a word... if we called it a ... er... 'Usage' > checker it could start as a less ambitious applet and grow up to being > something more monumental. > > For example, you could start with a user definable 'things to flag as errors' > database, like, for those who wish it, looking for full stops that do not > have _two_ spaces following them (trivial - I mean, that is, without > considering programming effort ;-) ). > :o) > Next, an option to flag words with capital initial letters that appear in the > middle of sentences that aren't titles and do not appear in a dictionary with > a compulsory capital letter (more tricky - involves context, but falls short > of analysing grammar) I've sat on my hands while this discussion has gone on, but can resist no longer. I switched the Grammar Checker off in MSWord at work. The last straw was the fact that it refused to let me talk about components with a "low mass" unless the initial letters were capitalised. I assume I had inadvertently found the "English (British - Roman Catholic)" settings. :o) Also, despite me setting it to "Formal Technical Report" style, it constantly whined at me for using the third person, urging me to consider a more subjective, personal, style! I can see the benefit of some sort of syntax checker, but the whole thing seems to me to be so fraught with pitfalls. Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 17:46:37 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97308 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 17:46:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929716802:10:07201:21; Fri, 18 Jun 99 14:40:02 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109332; 18 Jun 99 14:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA29460 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:53:49 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA29455 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 14:53:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 26050 invoked from network); 18 Jun 1999 13:54:32 -0000 Received: from 66-008.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.8) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 1999 13:54:32 -0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 00:07:21 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: <6448cf1349%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <990617170348.2740143f@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Maybe 'Grammar' is too strong a word... if we called it a ... er... 'Usage' checker it could start as a less ambitious applet and grow up to being something more monumental. For example, you could start with a user definable 'things to flag as errors' database, like, for those who wish it, looking for full stops that do not have _two_ spaces following them (trivial - I mean, that is, without considering programming effort ;-) ). Next, an option to flag words with capital initial letters that appear in the middle of sentences that aren't titles and do not appear in a dictionary with a compulsory capital letter (more tricky - involves context, but falls short of analysing grammar) And so on up to split infinitives (yes, I know... optional) and agreeing nouns and verbs (most tricky for a computer - I wouldn't want to get involved here!). If the flagging of possible 'Abusage' worked in a similar manner to the current red underlining flagging that the spell checker does this could prove an incrementally useful applet without being impossible to get started (one cold say it evolves but one might get in trouble - Darwin, Dawkins, Gould and stuff) Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 20:49:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97310 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 20:49:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929724811:10:13080:47; Fri, 18 Jun 99 16:53:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013391; 18 Jun 99 16:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29951 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:44:41 +0100 Received: from mnhep.hep.umn.edu (mnhep.hep.umn.edu [128.101.222.180]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA29946 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:44:29 +0100 Received: by mnhep.hep.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:45:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:45:29 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: <990618114529.27403c42@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In message <6448cf1349%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> > "Brian O'Carroll" wrote: > >> For example, you could start with a user definable 'things to flag as errors' >> database, like, for those who wish it, looking for full stops that do not >> have _two_ spaces following them (trivial - I mean, that is, without >> considering programming effort ;-) ). > > > >:o) I know, it's early and I fell for it. I must be trying to avoid doing something else :-) G. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 20:49:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97311 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 20:49:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929724934:20:17350:28; Fri, 18 Jun 99 16:55:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017343; 18 Jun 99 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29936 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:43:48 +0100 Received: from mnhep.hep.umn.edu (mnhep.hep.umn.edu [128.101.222.180]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA29931 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 17:43:37 +0100 Received: by mnhep.hep.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:44:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 11:44:36 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: <990618114436.27403c42@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For example, you could start with a user definable 'things to flag as errors' >database, like, for those who wish it, looking for full stops that do not >have _two_ spaces following them (trivial - I mean, that is, without >considering programming effort ;-) ). You're probably opening a can of worms with that example :-) Personally when using any kind of dtp/typesetting program; even MS-Word; I would flag a full stop followed by two spaces as a definite error! OK when using an old manual typewriter, but otherwise utterly abhorrent (IMO). A bit like in the old days when given something to typeset by someone with a computer who has tried to be helpful but really didn't know what they were doing, so you get a file with indentations, tables, etc laid out with spacespacespacespacespace creating much, much more work to properly format than if they had never bothered... G. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 18 20:49:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97315 for opro ; Fri, 18 Jun 99 20:49:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929734708:20:03288:18; Fri, 18 Jun 99 19:38:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003036; 18 Jun 99 19:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA30249 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:29:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA30244 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:28:48 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10v4Ki-000BU7-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 18 Jun 1999 19:29:49 +0000 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1999 20:21:07 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R > On Fri 18 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >It would be good if David could rebuild Ovation with a new name etc. and > > >then do an upgrade path so that we can pay him directly rather than > > >going through a firm that is pulling out of the Risc OS field. > > > > Just wait until next week, and see what happens... I am intrigued! I paid Beebug for the upgrade to 1.52 as I believed that this would support RiscOS and in particular you David. Obviously I was mistaken since Beebug did not inform me that they were withdrawing from the market. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 21 22:19:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97368 for opro ; Mon, 21 Jun 99 22:19:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929898818:20:03876:30; Sun, 20 Jun 99 17:13:38 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003812; 20 Jun 99 17:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA31900 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:57:03 +0100 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA31895 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:56:47 +0100 Received: from modem-112.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.240] helo=lcessford) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10vkv5-0005wo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:58:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:56:54 +0100 From: Alex Cessford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Home User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.70) POPstar/2.01b12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > On Fri 18 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > >It would be good if David could rebuild Ovation > > > Just wait until next week, and see what happens... > I am intrigued! > Ros So am I! Please make sure I get to hear what's going on. I couldn't do without OvationPro, and am always keen to see what else it can be made to do, also to upgrade when necessary. -- Alex. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 21 22:20:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97379 for opro ; Mon, 21 Jun 99 22:20:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929986610:20:03608:22; Mon, 21 Jun 99 17:36:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117021; 21 Jun 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01893 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:35 +0100 Received: from pa.scotland.net (pa2.scotland.net [194.247.65.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01885 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:22 +0100 Received: from [148.176.233.50] (helo=mlowe.prestel.co.uk) by pa.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10w7h1-0004Wr-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:17:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:16:12 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Lowe Subject: Printing problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <482da61549%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I prepared an advert in OP, consisting of a graphic and some text in a frame. This was printed out on a LaserDirect printer and an Epson stylus 600 with a scaling of 100, without any problems. Then a larger version was required, scale 180 aspect 90. This printed out on the LaserDirect correctly. However, the Epson 600 wasn't happy, some of the text was shifted downwards in the frame. It was the graphic which was very odd on the printout, it split into 2 parts, with one part being where it should be, but the other part shifted substantially down the page. Has anyone else come across this before and can anyone explain why it happens? -- Michael Lowe Loughton Essex -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 21 22:20:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97380 for opro ; Mon, 21 Jun 99 22:20:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929987074:20:08205:26; Mon, 21 Jun 99 17:44:34 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101656; 21 Jun 99 17:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA02136 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:35:48 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA02131 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:35:35 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10w7yx-000KkW-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:35:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:33:51 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Printer problem; A4000 To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I know this is not directly Opro, but it is SUCH a helpful wee community, I thought I would crave your attention first. Problem- using Opro or Ovation, the printer (Canon BJC 250) prints albeit slowly, but then stops on the last part of the job, with the light flashing and the printing box still on the screen (but no sand timer); for example it will pause on the descender of the letter p in the last line. All just sits there.... however, if you click on cancel, the printer continues and finished the job. I have reinstalled printers 1.53 and changed the canle- and the printer! Therefore it must be summat up with the actial A4000. No other ones in school do it. I have checked the *st. page and all looks well. Could anyone suggest what might be awry? Many grateful thanks in advance. -- Paul Hutton "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 21 22:23:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97388 for opro ; Mon, 21 Jun 99 22:23:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929971775:10:21580:20; Mon, 21 Jun 99 13:29:35 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121149; 21 Jun 99 13:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA01207 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:16:12 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA01198 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:15:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 17200 invoked from network); 21 Jun 1999 13:16:02 -0000 Received: from 66-024.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.24) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 21 Jun 1999 13:16:02 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:50:47 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing specified pages Message-ID: <482da61549%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R A question for the emergent expert that is this mailing list... How do I get a 4 page A4 document to print pages in the order 1,3,4,2? This is to enable merge commands to be merged in the document (by Impact) then printed out as a 2 sheet double sided print - pages 1 and 3 first on blank sheets then pages 3 then 2 on the back of pages 3 and 1. Since the document is a contract it is important that errors are minimised so I want to avoid solutions that require... () Re-ordering the pages in the document () Splitting or copying the document to enable different print settings in each In both cases above subsequent editing could cause problems should contract clauses get lost of the botton of pages or if I fail to update all the copies correctly. I am also interested in printing pages 1,3,1,3,4,2,4,2 so that two copies of the same contract end up on different coloured paper - sheets are inserted first of all as pink,pink,blue,blue. I tried entering 1,3,4,2 in the print dialogue but the pages are simply printed in numerical order. I've tried using the Paphlet and Printers Pairs settings but these seem to insist that sheets are centred on the page as pairs regardles of scaling and orientation. Any ideas? Thanks Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 21 22:24:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97392 for opro ; Mon, 21 Jun 99 22:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929985552:10:00825:18; Mon, 21 Jun 99 17:19:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121312; 21 Jun 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01796 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:00:24 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01791 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:00:13 +0100 From: Received: from modem-87.lead.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.40.215] helo=beeston12) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10w7Qi-0001oK-00; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:00:20 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:38:06 +0100 To: Ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, support@circlesw.demon.co.uk Subject: Problem with Merge commands Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199906161142.MAA21634@omega.barnet.ac.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear colleagues, I am having difficulty in several respects over using Ovation Pro together with Impact. Can you suggest a solution? 1) I want to produce a tax return listing of covenanted subscriptions to a society, where all subscription details are on my 2) Is there a way of producing (for the same tax return) a serial number down the left margin of the list, incrementing by 1 e 3) In Impression style there is a command (Utilities - merge command) whereby when editing a document I can read what marge co 4) I have considerable difficulty with tabs in Ovation Pro, even with Invisibles turned on, It seems markedly inferior in this I should be very glad to have your ideas. Thank you. -- Robin Phillips, 1, Newcastle Avenue, Beeston, Notts., NG9 1BT; Phone: 0115 922 4930 E-mail: rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 21 22:24:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97394 for opro ; Mon, 21 Jun 99 22:24:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929998170:10:18833:29; Mon, 21 Jun 99 20:49:30 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115679; 21 Jun 99 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02474 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:38:47 +0100 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02469 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:38:32 +0100 Received: from modem-111.hydrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.0.111] helo=orchard-way) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wAq0-0006mP-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:38:41 +0100 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:20:22 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printer problem; A4000 Message-ID: <6356cf1549%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Dear all > > I know this is not directly Opro, but it is SUCH a helpful wee community, I > thought I would crave your attention first. Problem- using Opro or Ovation, > the printer (Canon BJC 250) prints albeit slowly, but then stops on the last > part of the job, with the light flashing and the printing box still on the > screen (but no sand timer); for example it will pause on the descender of > the letter p in the last line. All just sits there.... > > however, if you click on cancel, the printer continues and finished the job. > I have reinstalled printers 1.53 and changed the canle- and the printer! > Therefore it must be summat up with the actial A4000. No other ones in > school do it. I have checked the *st. page and all looks well. > > Could anyone suggest what might be awry? > > Many grateful thanks in advance. > Not a solution, but maybe a way to debug the problem... Turn on background printing. In Printers, use shift-adjust on the printer, and select "Print in Background". There is also an Opro setting which has been described in the opro mailing list several times - a value in printchoices I believe. The only downside of this is that it uses a lot of spooling space in !Scrap. In particular if you print 10 copies of a document to an inkjet, it writes a file containing 10 raster images of the document. The upside is that you get use of your machine back while the printer grinds. Especially useful for colour. In your case, it will help to establish whether the printout is not being generated correctly or whether the printer is ignoring the end. It might even make the problem go away. As an alternative, you could try "Print to File", then drag the file to the printer. You can do this repeatedly while testing, which is easier then printing repeatedly from OPro. As a thought, if you send another job to the printer when the OPro job has finished, but without cancelling, what happens? (Oh, if you are not background printing, presumably OPro hasn't returned control to you, so you can't...) Thinking of spool space, you have got enough free disk space, haven't you? If not, you might have got a "disk full" situation, and cancel cleans it up. Try leaving "Free" on display for your system disk. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 03:05:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97456 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 03:05:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930014453:10:28130:19; Tue, 22 Jun 99 01:20:53 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106922; 22 Jun 99 1:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA02738 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:06:37 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02709 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:06:02 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wF0y-0002Lu-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:06:16 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 99 23:15:39 GMT Message-Id: <97416@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing specified pages X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How do I get a 4 page A4 document to print pages in the order 1,3,4,2? Use the 'right' and 'left' buttons aka 'front' and 'back' on the print dbox. >I am also interested in printing pages 1,3,1,3,4,2,4,2 Same but 2 copies with 'collate' on. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 03:06:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97459 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 03:05:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930014231:20:28266:16; Tue, 22 Jun 99 01:17:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105223; 22 Jun 99 1:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA02740 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:06:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA02714 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:06:04 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wF0y-0002Lu-4S for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:06:17 +0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 99 23:15:47 GMT Message-Id: <97418@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with Merge commands X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I am having difficulty in several respects over using Ovation Pro together >with Impact. Can you suggest a solution? Sorry to say that most of this was corrupted when I received it - because *my* mail program is limited to 120 char lines (put in more line feeds in other words). However a starting place to answer some of the questions is the document on the new mail merge commands available from the OPro home page at; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/index.html David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 14:23:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97471 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 14:22:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930018228:20:23463:35; Tue, 22 Jun 99 02:23:48 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023406; 22 Jun 99 2:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA03056 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 03:11:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA32246 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 18:47:01 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10vlhe-000Lfq-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:48:24 +0000 Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:31:39 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Help with Macros To: Ovation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id SAA32247 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ************************************************************************************ *NB* the lines in this forwared message have been truncated. Don't type them in they won't work. It got bounced because of the use of the h (elp) word in the subject line. DJP... ************************************************************************************ Some time back I asked about creating a Macro for puting quotes around selected text. Several suggestions were made and in the end I went for the following for single quotes: defmacro2(4,"Blank4","{int i,j,k;if(zoneorder()!=0){ i=bmcreate(\"qt1\");j=bmcreate(\"qt2\");k=bmcreate(\"qt3\");setbmtozone and for double quotes: defmacro2(4,"Blank5","{int i,j,k;if(zoneorder()!=0){ i=bmcreate(\"qt1\");j=bmcreate(\"qt2\");k=bmcreate(\"qt3\");setbmtoz These work really well and I'd like to be able to extend this so that I can place brackets, em and en dashes and possibly others around selected text. In makes sense to just alter the above macro, except that I'm not quite sure what to change, especially where brackets are concerned since brackets are used in macros. So any help on this would be appreciated. I know I need these macros because I almost act as if they are already there and go to press a button before realising that these are ideas in my head and not yet implemented. Cheers -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 14:23:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97480 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 14:23:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930045479:20:27345:20; Tue, 22 Jun 99 09:57:59 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027240; 22 Jun 99 9:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA03339 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:46:47 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA03334 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:46:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 20696 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1999 09:46:49 -0000 Received: from 66-032.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.32) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 09:46:49 -0000 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:53:39 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Problem with Merge commands Message-ID: <62e4cc1549%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message rphillips@beeston12.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > I want to append a total to columns 4 and 5. Which command should I choose > from the document editing table in the Ovation window in Impact? Calc? and > what should I enter in it? Use the Impact command 'Total(4)' and 'Total(5)' to give a sum of those respective columns. This works on the last table used I believe. > 2) Is there a way of producing (for the same tax return) a serial number > down the left margin of the list, incrementing by 1 each line, so as to give > each entry on the list a reference number. I recall John Skingley telling me > No, but that was several versions back... I recall a command that, given the name of an Index, returned the position of that record in the named Index. I can't find it in the manual any more, or remember where I got it from. I have used it, but maybe it was depreciated due to lack of use? Not very helpful am I. > 3) In Impression style there is a command (Utilities - merge command) > whereby when editing a document I can read what marge command has been > inserted at a specific point. When editing documents in Ovation Pro I can > see the places where such a command has been put in, by looking out for > [Merge 5] or whatever. But how do I translate it? Using the document menu choose File->MailMerge... then click on the Fields... button in the window that opens. These scripts are numbered to correspond with the numbers visible in the document. Regards, Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 17:51:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97495 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 17:51:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930060305:20:11950:76; Tue, 22 Jun 99 14:05:05 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115121; 22 Jun 99 14:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA03635 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:50:14 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA03630 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:50:00 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.99) [193.149.76.99] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10wQwM-0001Fj-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:50:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr T J Chubb) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 14:51:21 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Printing problem: ejecting extra sheet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Can anyone help me with this problem? I have put up with it since upgrading to 2.51 but it is now driving me up the proverbial :o( Every time I print out a page, my printer ejects an extra sheet. I had this problem before and it got sorted, but I can't remember how. It is only OPro -no problems in any other application. Any ideas? RPC600; HP Deskjet500; Printers 1.53 Many thanks, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 20:25:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97503 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 20:25:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930073121:10:16738:19; Tue, 22 Jun 99 17:38:41 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016723; 22 Jun 99 17:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA03875 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:26:52 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA03867 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:26:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 1246 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1999 17:26:51 -0000 Received: from 66-178.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.178) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 17:26:51 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:42:42 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing specified pages Message-ID: <5b42341649%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97416@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <97416@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > >How do I get a 4 page A4 document to print pages in the order 1,3,4,2? > > Use the 'right' and 'left' buttons aka 'front' and 'back' on the > print dbox. Yes, but... I need this to be automatic - controlled via Impact. Is there a macro instruction that will set 'left' and 'right' buttons? Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 20:26:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97505 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 20:25:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930073217:10:17209:56; Tue, 22 Jun 99 17:40:17 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112897; 22 Jun 99 17:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA03874 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:26:50 +0100 Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA03863 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 18:26:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 1242 invoked from network); 22 Jun 1999 17:26:49 -0000 Received: from 66-178.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.178) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 22 Jun 1999 17:26:49 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:29:20 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: WordWorks and Ovation Message-ID: <7087381649%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R How does Impression communicate with WordWorks, and how might this communication be invoked from Ovation? Brian -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 22:47:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97517 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:47:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930084450:10:11043:27; Tue, 22 Jun 99 20:47:30 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011016; 22 Jun 99 20:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04297 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:36:31 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04289 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:36:06 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wXHR-000FzB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:36:29 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 20:30:52 GMT Message-Id: <97511@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: WordWorks and Ovation X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How does Impression communicate with WordWorks, and how might >this communication be invoked from Ovation? Via the Impulse protocol. I've never worked it out, but I suppose you might be able to use the Impulse applet to do this sort of thing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 22:47:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97516 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:47:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930084387:20:01641:66; Tue, 22 Jun 99 20:46:27 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001366; 22 Jun 99 20:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA04295 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:36:28 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA04285 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:36:05 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wXHP-000FzB-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:36:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 20:27:44 GMT Message-Id: <97509@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem: ejecting extra sheet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Every time I print out a page, my printer ejects an extra sheet. I had this >problem before and it got sorted, but I can't remember how. It is only OPro -no >problems in any other application. Well it depends if something about your Opro document is telling it to print an extra page. For example a page at the end with nothing on it. Or in pamphlet mode blank pages can be printed to match numbers of front and back pages up. However if you're telling us you have a simple one page document printed in the simplest way and it still throws out two pages, I don't know. Could be that its printing too close to the bottom of the page - change the paper size in the printer driver in that case. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 22:47:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97518 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:47:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930085800:10:24542:16; Tue, 22 Jun 99 21:10:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100110; 22 Jun 99 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04487 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:00:22 +0100 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA04482 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:00:05 +0100 Received: from modem-74.americium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.47.74] helo=orchard-way) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wXee-0003pv-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:00:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 21:53:28 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem: ejecting extra sheet Message-ID: <3634561649%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Can anyone help me with this problem? I have put up with it since upgrading to > 2.51 but it is now driving me up the proverbial :o( > > Every time I print out a page, my printer ejects an extra sheet. I had this > problem before and it got sorted, but I can't remember how. It is only OPro -no > problems in any other application. > > Any ideas? > This sounds familiar. In my case it happened if the printer was set to highest quality, but not for lower qualities. I solved it by editing the paper definition and removing 1mm from the printable area, i.e. increasing the bottom margin by 1mm. This was in !Printers, not OPro. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 22:47:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97520 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930086644:10:02553:27; Tue, 22 Jun 99 21:24:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122845; 22 Jun 99 21:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04586 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:13:22 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04581 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:13:09 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.76.174] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10wXrH-000670-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:13:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:13:48 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with Macros Message-ID: <288f5d1649%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [snip examples of macros] > These work really well and I'd like to be able to extend this so that I > can place brackets, em and en dashes and possibly others around selected > text. > > In makes sense to just alter the above macro, except that I'm not quite > sure what to change, especially where brackets are concerned since > brackets are used in macros. So any help on this would be appreciated. > I know I need these macros because I almost act as if they are already > there and go to press a button before realising that these are > ideas in my head and not yet implemented. > > Cheers If you go to www.levens.co.uk/software you will see a Smart Quotes (Matched Pairs applet) for OvationPro. This place a button on the button bar and, after selecting text, gives access to a menu containing pairs to place around the selected text (instead of needing one button per macro). All you do is select the pairs that you wish to place. I shall update this soon (Wednesday) to place em and en dashes and will update again if there are any other suggestions. Cheers Benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 22 22:47:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97521 for opro ; Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:47:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930087374:20:00959:24; Tue, 22 Jun 99 21:36:14 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109086; 22 Jun 99 21:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA04692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:37 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA04687 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:25 +0100 Received: from (193.149.69.88) [193.149.69.88] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10wY54-0006WC-00; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:27:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Roger Foden) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:39:45 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Printing problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 21 Jun 1999 (17:16:12 +0100), michael@mlowe.prestel.co.uk wrote: > I prepared an advert in OP, consisting of a graphic and some text in > a frame. > > This was printed out on a LaserDirect printer and an Epson stylus 600 > with a scaling of 100, without any problems. > > Then a larger version was required, scale 180 aspect 90. This printed > out on the LaserDirect correctly. However, the Epson 600 wasn't happy, > some of the text was shifted downwards in the frame. It was the graphic > which was very odd on the printout, it split into 2 parts, with one > part being where it should be, but the other part shifted substantially > down the page. > > Has anyone else come across this before and can anyone explain why it > happens? This seems to be a known problem with OPro and possibly Impression. It is probably due to a bug in the !Printers application as it is seen only in printout using !Printers. Turbodrivers (and the LaserDirect system) seem to calculate the scaling correctly for text and drawn (graphic) objects. There was a brief discussion on this recently in this NewsGroup: I was experiencing a similar problem. David Pilling wrote: > IMHO this is a shortcoming of RISC OS. The definitive discussion > and material on the subject is in the OvationPro mail list archives. > But in brief Draw output shifts relative to font manager output. > How it shifts depends on the print resolution/scale. > The problem is not limited to OPro, you can see it in other programs. > > Also you'll find the problem does not exist with CC's printer drivers > (which use their own Draw/font modules) and AFAIK with PostScript. There's more in the mail list archives apparently. Regards, Roger -- ___ n_ \ ) (^o\. /^\ Roger & Jacki Foden | | /_ / |___| / \/ \/ \_ _/ roger.foden@argonet.co.uk __\__\___|o_____//__________ acornsarpcacornsarpcacornrpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 03:20:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97534 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 03:20:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930098922:10:06662:17; Wed, 23 Jun 99 00:48:42 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123055; 23 Jun 99 0:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA04950 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:39:34 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA04945 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 01:39:22 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wb4q-0007dG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:39:45 +0000 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 22:49:15 GMT Message-Id: <97522@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing problem X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>Then a larger version was required, scale 180 aspect 90. This printed >> out on the LaserDirect correctly. However, the Epson 600 wasn't happy, >> some of the text was shifted downwards in the frame. It was the graphic >> which was very odd on the printout, it split into 2 parts, with one >> part being where it should be, but the other part shifted substantially >> down the page. > >This seems to be a known problem with OPro and possibly Impression. It is >probably due to a bug in the !Printers application as it is seen only in >printout using !Printers. Hmm this is a real effect, in *any* program (trust me), but I was not so sure it explained the original complaint. Text moving relative to Draw graphics - yes. Pictures splitting into two, I think not. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 13:44:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97545 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 13:44:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930141594:20:09387:19; Wed, 23 Jun 99 12:39:54 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109744; 23 Jun 99 12:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA05543 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:26:17 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA05538 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:26:02 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user194.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.126]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA22682 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:26:31 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:25:50 +0100 Subject: Autosave Message-ID: <4916ab9070marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Am I missing something or... Is it not possible to get OPro to Autosave at definable periods of time? Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 15:29:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97569 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 15:29:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930145084:20:25681:21; Wed, 23 Jun 99 13:38:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111144; 23 Jun 99 13:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05683 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:04:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05678 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:04:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wmhw-000MUi-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:04:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 99 14:01:38 GMT Message-Id: <97560@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Autosave X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is it not possible to get OPro to Autosave at definable periods of time? Main menu -> document preferences -> auto save and (definable) period. Or was it deeper like you set this and it didn't work? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 15:29:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97570 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 15:29:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930146139:20:13249:19; Wed, 23 Jun 99 13:55:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012846; 23 Jun 99 13:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05804 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:42:24 +0100 Received: from post.guernsey.net (post.guernsey.net [195.226.128.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05799 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:42:12 +0100 Received: from ianhunter.guernsey.net ([195.226.129.179]) by post.guernsey.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24929 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:46:14 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:41:38 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hunter Subject: Applets To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R !SuprShft Applet. What do I change to alter the spacing from 1 space to 2 spaces for capitialisation of the new sentence. I have 'lost' the original notes and my changed applet. Thanks -- Ian Hunter Guernsey Channel Islands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 18:50:53 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97574 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 18:50:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930150808:20:04454:16; Wed, 23 Jun 99 15:13:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003973; 23 Jun 99 15:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06156 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:54:20 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06151 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:54:08 +0100 Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-033.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.163]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id PAA15916 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:54:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 15:10:02 +0100 Subject: Re: Autosave Message-ID: <4916b51ac6davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4916ab9070marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <4916ab9070marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <4916ab9070marteng@intonet.co.uk>, Marten Gallagher wrote: > Am I missing something or... > Is it not possible to get OPro to Autosave at definable periods of time? Misc -> Preferences Tick Auto save and enter the time delay in the appropriate box. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 18:50:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97573 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 18:50:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930145729:10:04945:43; Wed, 23 Jun 99 13:48:49 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005269; 23 Jun 99 13:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05710 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:11:29 +0100 Received: from lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk (lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk [130.159.248.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05704 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:11:16 +0100 Received: from [130.159.56.178] (helo=rosco.chem.strath.ac.uk) by lismore.cc.strath.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10wmiM-0004XU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:05:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:10:21 +0100 (BST) From: Phil Dennison Subject: Re: Autosave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4916ab9070marteng@intonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 23 Jun, Marten Gallagher wrote: > Am I missing something or... > > Is it not possible to get OPro to Autosave at definable periods of time? > > > Slainte > It is indeed possible, and set up via "preferences". Regards, Phil. -- Phil Dennison (p.r.dennison@strath.ac.uk) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 18:52:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97577 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 18:52:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930147573:10:01054:15; Wed, 23 Jun 99 14:19:33 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100884; 23 Jun 99 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA05892 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:51:33 +0100 Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA05883 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:51:20 +0100 Received: from marteng.intonet.co.uk (user137.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.69]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA24349 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:51:43 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:50:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Autosave Message-ID: <4916b34867marteng@intonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97560@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <97560@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 23 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >Is it not possible to get OPro to Autosave at definable periods of time? > Main menu -> document preferences -> auto save and (definable) period. > Or was it deeper like you set this and it didn't work? No, that was it - I was trying to find it through Choices from the icon bar! Thank you. > David Pilling > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marten@annerykiln.co.uk http://www.annerykiln.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 20:37:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97585 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 20:37:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930160572:20:23122:18; Wed, 23 Jun 99 17:56:12 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023090; 23 Jun 99 17:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06379 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:44:58 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA06374 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:44:46 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-20.access.ch [195.112.73.212]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14231 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:45:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 19:41:26 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Help with Macros To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <288f5d1649%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 23 Jun, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message you wrote: > > [snip examples of macros] > > [and snipped some more] > > > > Cheers > If you go to www.levens.co.uk/software you will see a Smart Quotes > (Matched Pairs applet) for OvationPro. This place a button on the > button bar and, after selecting text, gives access to a menu containing > pairs to place around the selected text (instead of needing one button > per macro). All you do is select the pairs that you wish to place. > > I shall update this soon (Wednesday) to place em and en dashes and will > update again if there are any other suggestions. > > Cheers > > Benji At present you have the pairs to place at both ends of selected text within the OvPScrpt file Quoter. This makes it impossible to have "curly brackets" (Ascii 123 and 125) as pair to be placed at the ends of selected text. Would it be possible to have the "pairs" in a separate text file which then anyone can adapt to his/her own preferences? More or less the same idea as one has with the Abbrev applet. The main reason I ask is that since almost 1 year, that is far before the creation of your applet, I use these curly brackets around a reference number used for letters. Quite a few people are involved and presently all know that when they read {1234B} they should consult a letter in their files with the number 1234B. As in some reports such reference numbers appear many times you can imagine my need for this facility. Changing to another system on my side is not possible anymore as there are already hundreds of documents with the "curly" references. At present I have version 0.01, I believe. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 23 22:00:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97601 for opro ; Wed, 23 Jun 99 22:00:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930169620:10:19547:53; Wed, 23 Jun 99 20:27:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109734; 23 Jun 99 20:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA06703 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:18:15 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA06698 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:17:59 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10wtTT-000M04-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:18:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 99 21:14:26 GMT Message-Id: <97597@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >What do I change to alter the spacing from 1 space to 2 spaces for >capitialisation of the new sentence. I have 'lost' the original notes >and my changed applet. Well you could soon find the info from the mail list archives, my file find program says the months in question are 97/2 and 97/7 This is relevant bit... >Just been reading your reply to Roger Darlington (3.7.97) on double >space/capital in SuperShift. Unfortunately I must have missed the >original instructions... Add in !SuprShft.Library.SuprShft after if(suprshft_flag == 1 && key == 32 || key == 13 || key == 394 || key == 2061 || key == 6669) suprshft_flag = 2; else This bit; if(suprshft_flag ==2 && key == 32) suprshft_flag = 2; else David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 01:26:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97607 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 01:26:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930175670:10:16968:25; Wed, 23 Jun 99 22:07:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017018; 23 Jun 99 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA06882 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:59:11 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA06877 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:58:55 +0100 Received: from beard.demon.co.uk ([158.152.36.33]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wv3K-0000IR-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:59:30 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:49:42 +0100 (BST) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Printing problem: ejecting extra sheet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 191 days, 2 hours, 10 minutes, 18 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Mr T J Chubb wrote: > Can anyone help me with this problem? I have put up with it since upgrading to > 2.51 but it is now driving me up the proverbial :o( > > Every time I print out a page, my printer ejects an extra sheet. I had this > problem before and it got sorted, but I can't remember how. It is only OPro -no > problems in any other application. I have this problem occasionally with my Epson Stylus 820. It goes away when I set 'microweave' on the printer driver. It seems to be dependent on the paper I use. I use two main sources of paper. One of them does it quite frequently while the other never does. The one that does this is (at a guess) about one tenth millimetre shorter than the one that doesn't. I have therefore concluded that it is ever so slightly too short and the printer thinks it has got to the end of the page just before the printer driver sends a form feed. -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 Lonely men seek companionship. Lonely women sit at home and wait. They never meet. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 01:26:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97608 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 01:26:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930177057:20:21723:15; Wed, 23 Jun 99 22:30:57 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100526; 23 Jun 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA06974 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:16:32 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA06966 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 23:16:19 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10wvKA-0008v2-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:16:55 +0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 20:21:17 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Help with Macros To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <288f5d1649%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Jun, Levens Software:Ovation Pro wrote: > In message you wrote: > > [snip examples of macros] > > These work really well and I'd like to be able to extend this so that I > > can place brackets, em and en dashes and possibly others around selected > > text. > > > > In makes sense to just alter the above macro, except that I'm not quite > > sure what to change, especially where brackets are concerned since > > brackets are used in macros. So any help on this would be appreciated. > > I know I need these macros because I almost act as if they are already > > there and go to press a button before realising that these are > > ideas in my head and not yet implemented. > > > > Cheers > If you go to www.levens.co.uk/software you will see a Smart Quotes > (Matched Pairs applet) for OvationPro. This place a button on the > button bar and, after selecting text, gives access to a menu containing > pairs to place around the selected text (instead of needing one button > per macro). All you do is select the pairs that you wish to place. > > I shall update this soon (Wednesday) to place em and en dashes and will > update again if there are any other suggestions. This sounds like the business. Cheers. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 14:00:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97633 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 14:00:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930218884:10:02985:19; Thu, 24 Jun 99 10:08:04 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001884; 24 Jun 99 10:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA07382 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:43:16 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA07377 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:43:00 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JCRZ6NA72W00STGL@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 11:26:02 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 10:38:25 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: 2fold A4 flyer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAA07378 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB07382 Status: R Hello=20 I've got a problem making a flyer. I want a 2 fold A4 flyer: -------------=20 | =A6 =A6 | | 5 =A6 6 =A6 1 | | =A6 =A6 | ------------- -------------=20 | =A6 =A6 | | 2 =A6 3 =A6 4 | | =A6 =A6 | ------------- /6666\ /---\ | 3333 | and when you close it it looks like this: 12 54 36 12 45 12 54 36 12 45 12 54 36 12 45 \-/ I hope you get it. I made a landscape A4 doublsided masterpage. I made 3 = =F20 seperate frames at each page. I wanted to link them 1->2->3->4->5->6, but then it said "link must be from left page to right. So the way i wanted wasn't possible. How to solve this? I gues you needto make a 100x210 masterpage and print = out on the right way. But how? Any other suggestions? Greetngs --=20 / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 15:26:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97655 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 15:26:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930232688:20:03114:38; Thu, 24 Jun 99 13:58:08 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126234; 24 Jun 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07995 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:42:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA07990 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:42:41 +0100 Received: from (193.149.72.196) [193.149.72.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10x9mk-0004kc-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:43:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr T J Chubb) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 21:09:20 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Printing problem: ejecting extra sheet Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Thanks for the suggestions. I have altered the graphic margins in !Printers by a couple of millimetres and it did the trick. Thanks again, Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 18:10:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97660 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 18:10:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930236510:20:04676:26; Thu, 24 Jun 99 15:01:50 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108986; 24 Jun 99 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA08123 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:26:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA08118 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 15:26:21 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xAT3-0001eN-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 14:27:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 99 14:42:26 GMT Message-Id: <97650@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2fold A4 flyer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I've got a problem making a flyer. Firstly what you really want is another imposition format. That would be a good solution. Problem is you'd have to sit down for a day and program it. Second, the limitation on links going right left is only on master pages, and its because those automatic links are going to have to flow left to right all the way through a multi page document. So you could solve the problem without using master pages. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 21:46:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97679 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 21:46:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930256572:10:14740:15; Thu, 24 Jun 99 20:36:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128636; 24 Jun 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA08455 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:26:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA08450 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:26:29 +0100 Received: from (62.188.142.91) [62.188.142.91] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xFQ4-00034s-00; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:44:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bj17 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 20:36:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <49175c4c66bj17@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Master Pages Lockout In-Reply-To: <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm trying to write my school reports using OvPro (v2.46) and I'm having tremendous problems when altering the Master Pages. Problem 1 I've set up the reports document so it has 2 master pages, one for each side of the A4 report. I've been able to compose the master pages, but now I want to alter them before I start filling in the frames. Whenever I try to alter a master page frame, the program locks up immediately I exit master pages. Only Alt/Break gets me out - then loses the alterations (and the program). Problem 2 I originally 'locked' several frames, then decided against it as they were text frames (!), so I unlocked them again before I saved the document. Although they are shown 'unlocked' within Master Pages, OvPro now thinks that these frames are still locked when I'm in the main document, so I cannot input text into them. Trying to edit them with Master Pages puts me straight back to problem 1 ........... I'm going round in circles ! If I go into Master Pages then exit without altering anything I don't get the lockup. I've read past comments on Master Pages, but no-one seems to have had the lockouts I'm experiencing. I'm using OVPro v2.46 but a quick upgrade to 2.50 gave exactly the same problems. (I used to use Ovation 1.41s and it never gave these problems) Any (fast) ideas anyone ? My reports deadline looms after the weekend .... (If anyone has a definitive answer an email to me would be appreciated - I'll ensure it goes to the mailing list too.) John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 24 23:19:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97692 for opro ; Thu, 24 Jun 99 23:19:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930259279:20:26363:20; Thu, 24 Jun 99 21:21:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114024; 24 Jun 99 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA08595 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:09:52 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA08590 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:09:41 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xGlR-000IqZ-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:10:29 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 99 21:54:02 GMT Message-Id: <97686@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master Pages Lockout X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I'm trying to write my school reports using OvPro (v2.46) and I'm having You should be using 2.51. If you use 2.46 you're just trapping yourself in the situation of 2.46 has bugs, and you create damaged documents etc. etc. >before I start filling in the frames. Whenever I try to alter a master page >frame, the program locks up immediately I exit master pages. Only Alt/Break Save it as DDL and reload. Thats your best chance of fixing it. >I originally 'locked' several frames, then decided against it as they were >text frames (!) A locked frame can't be moved around the page, thats all thats locked. >Although they are shown 'unlocked' within Master Pages, OvPro now thinks >that these frames are still locked when I'm in the main document Does this matter? you can't move master frames anyway. >so I cannot input text into them. Locking isn't causing this problem. You can't enter text in a document frame, if the corresponding frame on the master page has text in it. Now maybe there's a bug there that OPro thinks there's something in the master page frame. >I'm using OVPro v2.46 but a quick upgrade to 2.50 gave exactly the same Probably because its the document that's the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 01:32:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97694 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 01:32:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930265168:10:29057:21; Thu, 24 Jun 99 22:59:28 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029063; 24 Jun 99 22:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08796 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:51:26 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08791 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:51:12 +0100 Received: from necpwa.demon.co.uk ([158.152.217.190]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xILh-000E6W-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:52:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Simons To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 23:52:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Master Pages Lockout Message-ID: <491768c739tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49175c4c66bj17@argonet.co.uk> References: <83780@pilling.demon.co.uk> <49175c4c66bj17@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11i (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Jun, bj17 wrote: > I'm trying to write my school reports using OvPro (v2.46) and I'm having > tremendous problems when altering the Master Pages. > Problem 1 > I've set up the reports document so it has 2 master pages, one for each > side of the A4 report. > I've been able to compose the master pages, but now I want to alter them > before I start filling in the frames. Whenever I try to alter a master > page frame, the program locks up immediately I exit master pages. Only > Alt/Break gets me out - then loses the alterations (and the program). > John Are you sure its locking - chaning the master page layout on my 24 page booklet can take 5 minutes or more. Leave it for some time and see if it works. -- Tony Simons North East Club for Pre War Austins or the Nearly Everywhere Club for Pretty Well Anything! http://www.necpwa.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 01:33:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97697 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 01:33:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930269559:10:04902:32; Fri, 25 Jun 99 00:12:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004893; 25 Jun 99 0:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA08980 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:00:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA08975 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:00:26 +0100 Received: from (193.149.75.101) [193.149.75.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xJQf-0001W5-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 01:01:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 00:44:37 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Master Pages Lockout Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 24 Jun 1999 (20:36:14 +0000), bj17@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Problem 2 > >I originally 'locked' several frames, then decided against it as they >were text frames (!), so I unlocked them again before I saved the >document. Although they are shown 'unlocked' within Master Pages, >OvPro now thinks that these frames are still locked when I'm in the >main document, so I cannot input text into them. Trying to edit them >with Master Pages puts me straight back to problem 1 ........... I'm >going round in circles ! Providing the 'locked' frames in question are not the original large master frame for the page but subframes originally defined on a master page you can probably solve your problems quite easily. Simply select a frame, click Menu, select Object, Make local, and your frame becomes accessible. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 17:12:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97734 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:12:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930320591:10:05756:19; Fri, 25 Jun 99 14:23:11 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005571; 25 Jun 99 14:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09648 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:10:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09643 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:10:24 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xWhN-0009yC-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 14:11:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 99 14:57:12 GMT Message-Id: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program will be taken over by its author David Pilling. All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the addresses below. David Pilling commented "By buying OvationPro off Beebug, I hope to ensure that it will be developed further in the future. The first improvements are likely to be in 'large image handling' i.e. allowing large images to be kept on disc separately from documents, and the implementation of graduated fills." There are some changes to pricing. In future all copies will come with the colour publishing supplement - formerly sold separately. OvationPro will then cost ukp 150 an upgrade from Ovation ukp 140 Site licence ukp 300 All prices include VAT in the EU, and air mail delivery where appropriate. The OvationPro web site has moved to www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro The OvationPro mail list will continue to operate as before. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 17:12:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97735 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:12:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930321689:20:29797:50; Fri, 25 Jun 99 14:41:29 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000582; 25 Jun 99 14:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09740 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:26:23 +0100 Received: from judy.ic.ac.uk (judy.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09735 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:26:10 +0100 Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.4]) by judy.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xWwZ-0003Pl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:27:03 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xWwN-0003ki-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:26:51 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:26:46 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B260145F515@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Reeves-Hall, Peter C." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: News Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:26:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Great news, I look forward to 2.51 ->2.x updates and pricing... Thanks and all the best, Peter Reeves-Hall > -----Original Message----- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: 25 June 1999 15:57 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: News > > > > From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the > addresses below. > > David Pilling commented "By buying OvationPro off Beebug, I hope to ensure > that it will be developed further in the future. The first improvements > are > likely to be in 'large image handling' i.e. allowing large images to be > kept > on disc separately from documents, and the implementation of graduated > fills." > > There are some changes to pricing. In future all copies will come with > the colour publishing supplement - formerly sold separately. > > OvationPro will then cost ukp 150 > an upgrade from Ovation ukp 140 > Site licence ukp 300 > > All prices include VAT in the EU, and air mail delivery where appropriate. > > The OvationPro web site has moved to www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro > > The OvationPro mail list will continue to operate as before. > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 17:13:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97738 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:12:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930324003:10:21400:19; Fri, 25 Jun 99 15:20:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116579; 25 Jun 99 15:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA09913 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:08:23 +0100 Received: from hoemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (hoemail1.lucent.com [192.11.226.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09908 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:08:07 +0100 Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by hoemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15969 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 11:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:09:03 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA2FB5@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: News Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:09:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hooray. my only concern or remark would be that the expert Author shouldn't get too bogged down in routine admin. Purchase cost or upgrade tariffs needn't be an issue. *Value* is excellent! I thought the original manual was excellent (though maybe a bit in need of an update now) so I hope that's been procured also. Christopher I Howe Bath > ---------- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 25 June 1999 15:57 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: News > > > > From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the > addresses below. > > David Pilling commented "By buying OvationPro off Beebug, I hope to ensure > that it will be developed further in the future. The first improvements > are > likely to be in 'large image handling' i.e. allowing large images to be > kept > on disc separately from documents, and the implementation of graduated > fills." > > There are some changes to pricing. In future all copies will come with > the colour publishing supplement - formerly sold separately. > > OvationPro will then cost ukp 150 > an upgrade from Ovation ukp 140 > Site licence ukp 300 > > All prices include VAT in the EU, and air mail delivery where appropriate. > > The OvationPro web site has moved to www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro > > The OvationPro mail list will continue to operate as before. > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From sauropod@xs4all.nl Fri Jun 25 17:13:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97739 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:12:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930321832:20:02820:4; Fri, 25 Jun 99 14:43:52 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.30.145]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002668; 25 Jun 99 14:43 GMT Received: from xs4all.nl (dc2-modem75.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.128.75]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20349 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3773954C.9CEB82C@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:42:20 +0200 From: Neil Whiteley-Bolton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Ovation Pro - The Future Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EA39A8DFC9103ECD1BB34E33" Status: R This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EA39A8DFC9103ECD1BB34E33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp1.xs4all.nl id QAA20349 David, I am an ex-Acorn user who plans to return to the fold - I was holding off following the demise of Acorn, until I was sure RISC OS had a future (at least of sorts). I would be very much more enthusiastic about buying Ovation Pro if I thought that you were aware of the more strategic software developments taking place in the outside world. For example, what is your view of XML, and do you have any plans to support it? I personally think the facility to handle at least some XML applications will be absolutely essential. Neil Whiteley-Bolton For those who do not know what XML is: EXtensible Markup Language (XML) is an abbreviated version of SGML, which simplifies the definition of proprietary document types, and makes it easier for programmers to write programs to handle them. It omits the more complex and less-used parts of SGML in return for the benefits of being easier to write applications, easier to understand, and more suited to delivery and interoperability over the Web. But it is still SGML, and XML files may still be parsed and validated the same as any other SGML file. XML is a project of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), and is a public format =97 it is not a proprietary development of any company. The specification is still being developed under the supervision of the W3C XML Working Group.XML retains all of SGML's structural abilities which allow for the definion of new document types, it also introduces a new class of document which does not require a predefined document type. XML will allow groups of people or organisations to create their own customised markup languages for exchanging information in their domain (music, chemistry, electronics, finance, surfing, linguistics, cooking, knitting, stellar cartography, history, engineering, mathematics, etc). Interestingly, Microsoft has announced that its next-generation Office suite will be capable of 'round tripping' files between different applications (i.e., Word, Excel) using a common data format that combines HTML and XML. A common format would virtually eliminate file format incompatibilities, the squandering of resources on converting between those formats, and the continuing need to migrate between product suites to reduce the problems created by file incompatibilities. More importantly, the file format is significant because it exploits XML=92s capability to specify and process meta-data models which themselves can be used to describe common content among multiple applications clearly defining the separation between application and content, thereby enabling mixing and matching between data streams (i.e. content) and applications able to exploit them =97 rather than needing multiple applications (i.e., a 'suite') to create and modify different data types (e.g., text, illustrations), it will be possible for an integrated application to identify data types and present data-type-specific tools for their manipulation. Such an integrated application would go beyond OLE functionality, eliminating redundant data entry, expediting access to data, increasing automation and making it possible to streamline applications significantly. -- This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. --------------EA39A8DFC9103ECD1BB34E33 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="sauropod.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Neil Whiteley-Bolton Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="sauropod.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Whiteley-Bolton;Neil tel;cell:+31 (0)650 271892 tel;fax:+31 (0)30 2982260 tel;home:+31 (0)20 6274425 tel;work:+31 (0)30 298 2131 x-mozilla-html:TRUE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:sauropod@xs4all.nl fn:Neil Whiteley-Bolton end:vcard --------------EA39A8DFC9103ECD1BB34E33-- From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 17:13:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97744 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:13:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930326324:20:06632:23; Fri, 25 Jun 99 15:58:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119275; 25 Jun 99 15:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA10034 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:44:10 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA10029 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:43:59 +0100 Received: from schild.demon.co.uk ([194.222.26.212]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xY9w-0005cx-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 15:44:56 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Schild To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:01:02 +0100 Subject: Re: 2fold A4 flyer Message-ID: <4917c17204john@schild.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven M. Ottens wrote: > Hello > I've got a problem making a flyer. I want a 2 fold A4 flyer: The answer is simple if you give up trying to be clever! Even so it took me YEARS to work it out. Now I use it regularly. Complete your document, pages 1 - 6 in that order. Cut page 1 to clipboard Page 2 moves up to page 1 Paste page 1 to the now vacant page 6. Check that your page breaks haven't been altered - adjust if necessary Print . . . If you've only got six pages, once the document is complete, the fact that you've lost a page link is of no consequence. -- ==================================================== John Schild, King's Walden, Hitchin, Herts. ==================================================== -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 18:02:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97767 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 18:02:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930330065:20:18276:20; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:01:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108231; 25 Jun 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA10201 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:48:57 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10196 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:48:44 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xZAc-0005H6-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:49:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 21:31:49 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Supershift alteration To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all Just a big word of thanks in a time of relative uncertainty... This alteration to the supershift applet to allow capitalisation after two spaces, for example. I have wanted this change for ages- et voila! Je suis bien content. Isn't it wonderful that there is this level of ongoing support for such a good product? Where else in the bigger wider world could you expect such (a) quick (b) accurate (c) personal service? Thank goodness for David Pilling. Thank goodness for this mutual help newsgroup! And thanks too for all the replies to my printer problem at school with the A4000- just as soon as I can escape the bureauracy long enough to make the journey to the top end of school I will see if your suggestions work. Regards -- Paul Hutton "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 19:39:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97770 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:38:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930331140:20:29236:36; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:19:00 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029491; 25 Jun 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA10261 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:55:35 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10244 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:55:01 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xZGi-00061i-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:56:00 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:32:03 GMT Message-Id: <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Great news, I look forward to 2.51 ->2.x updates and pricing... I think my preference is to kill off the 2.52 upgrade. Those who needed it (i.e. no net access) should have been mailshot and had their chance. I expect at some point in the future there will be a paid for upgrade. >my only concern or remark would be that the expert Author shouldn't get too >bogged down in routine admin. Yeah, but it doesn't work that way in the RISC OS world. As I probably commented before, had Beebug achieved sales of 2000 copies per year, I would have been a very well off full time programmer, and the program would have been a lot better. I personally will build your software pack and take it to the post office 8-) >I thought the original manual was excellent (though maybe a bit in need of >an update now) so I hope that's been procured also. It has. I'm toying with the idea of making it available in document format, after updating it. My guess is that it will never be viable to have it printed again. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 19:39:04 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97771 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:39:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930330624:10:15035:29; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:10:24 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014853; 25 Jun 99 17:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10282 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:02:02 +0100 Received: from pa.scotland.net (pa1.scotland.net [194.247.64.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10277 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:01:46 +0100 Received: from [148.176.238.21] (helo=mlowe.prestel.co.uk) by pa.scotland.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #4) id 10xZMm-00071I-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:02:17 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 22:47:53 +0100 (BST) From: Michael Lowe Subject: Re: Printing problem To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <97522@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >>Then a larger version was required, scale 180 aspect 90. This printed > >> out on the LaserDirect correctly. However, the Epson 600 wasn't happy, > >> some of the text was shifted downwards in the frame. It was the graphic > >> which was very odd on the printout, it split into 2 parts, with one > >> part being where it should be, but the other part shifted substantially > >> down the page. > > > > >This seems to be a known problem with OPro and possibly Impression. It is > >probably due to a bug in the !Printers application as it is seen only in > >printout using !Printers. > > Hmm this is a real effect, in *any* program (trust me), but I was not > so sure it explained the original complaint. Text moving relative to > Draw graphics - yes. Pictures splitting into two, I think not. > Yes I think that this the cause of the problem. I have had a look at the draw graphic, it was created using a large single text letter and a scanned image grouped together. The movement between the text and scanned image was large enough for the graphic to split in two. Thanks for the explanation. -- Michael Lowe Loughton Essex -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 19:39:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97774 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:39:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930332767:20:13757:57; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:46:07 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013920; 25 Jun 99 17:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA10255 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:55:24 +0100 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97739 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:12:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930321832:20:02820:4; Fri, 25 Jun 99 14:43:52 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.30.145]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002668; 25 Jun 99 14:43 GMT Received: from xs4all.nl (dc2-modem75.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.128.75]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA20349 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:43:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3773954C.9CEB82C@xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:42:20 +0200 From: Neil Whiteley-Bolton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Ovation Pro - The Future Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EA39A8DFC9103ECD1BB34E33" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EA39A8DFC9103ECD1BB34E33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by smtp1.xs4all.nl id QAA20349 David, I am an ex-Acorn user who plans to return to the fold - I was holding off following the demise of Acorn, until I was sure RISC OS had a future (at least of sorts). I would be very much more enthusiastic about buying Ovation Pro if I thought that you were aware of the more strategic software developments taking place in the outside world. For example, what is your view of XML, and do you have any plans to support it? I personally think the facility to handle at least some XML applications will be absolutely essential. Neil Whiteley-Bolton For those who do not know what XML is: EXtensible Markup Language (XML) is an abbreviated version of SGML, which simplifies the definition of proprietary document types, and makes it easier for programmers to write programs to handle them. It omits the more complex and less-used parts of SGML in return for the benefits of being easier to write applications, easier to understand, and more suited to delivery and interoperability over the Web. But it is still SGML, and XML files may still be parsed and validated the same as any other SGML file. XML is a project of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), and is a public format =97 it is not a proprietary development of any company. The specification is still being developed under the supervision of the W3C XML Working Group.XML retains all of SGML's structural abilities which allow for the definion of new document types, it also introduces a new class of document which does not require a predefined document type. XML will allow groups of people or organisations to create their own customised markup languages for exchanging information in their domain (music, chemistry, electronics, finance, surfing, linguistics, cooking, knitting, stellar cartography, history, engineering, mathematics, etc). Interestingly, Microsoft has announced that its next-generation Office suite will be capable of 'round tripping' files between different applications (i.e., Word, Excel) using a common data format that combines HTML and XML. A common format would virtually eliminate file format incompatibilities, the squandering of resources on converting between those formats, and the continuing need to migrate between product suites to reduce the problems created by file incompatibilities. More importantly, the file format is significant because it exploits XML=92s capability to specify and process meta-data models which themselves can be used to describe common content among multiple applications clearly defining the separation between application and content, thereby enabling mixing and matching between data streams (i.e. content) and applications able to exploit them =97 rather than needing multiple applications (i.e., a 'suite') to create and modify different data types (e.g., text, illustrations), it will be possible for an integrated application to identify data types and present data-type-specific tools for their manipulation. Such an integrated application would go beyond OLE functionality, eliminating redundant data entry, expediting access to data, increasing automation and making it possible to streamline applications significantly. -- This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. 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Best regards, Bryan S. Kirk. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 19:39:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97777 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:39:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930332019:10:29917:20; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:33:39 GMT Received: from [194.82.200.3] ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029671; 25 Jun 99 17:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA10262 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:55:37 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA10248 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:55:03 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xZGj-00061i-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 16:56:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:44:15 GMT Message-Id: <97757@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ovation Pro - The Future X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >For example, what is your view of XML, and do you have any plans to >support it? I know about XML, I recall dloading the docs over 12 months ago, from the w3c web site. I would like to support it but I'm not going to give a long list of new features. What I've just mentioned are achievable targets, once I've done those, I'll look for something else to do. I suspect 'round tripping' may be a mixed blessing, presumeably it works by sticking MS specific information in the document, and anyone who wants to use that is going to have to work it out. But it is a step forward, given a common document format, competition with MS products becomes a lot more viable (conclusion MS will never allow a common format?). One of the problems with HTML or XML is that they go against the DTP grain. They're not intended to flow around static frames. For example the natural way to add tables to OPro would be as a new sort of object. But the way tables work in HTML is as a style applied to part of the text flow. A program like Techwriter has a much easier job adapting to HTML. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 19:39:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97778 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:39:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930332053:10:00403:19; Fri, 25 Jun 99 17:34:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119110; 25 Jun 99 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10520 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:24:24 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA10512 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:24:10 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.12]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA22602 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:13:25 +0100 Message-ID: <37742CC6.E8F@net.ntl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:28:38 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News References: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > >From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the > addresses below. > In common with most of the group I'd guess, here's wishing you all success with this venture, and we all will no doubt be looking to a brighter future with the excellent products and service we've come to expect (and received) from you. -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 19:39:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97780 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:39:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930333720:10:16718:15; Fri, 25 Jun 99 18:02:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129112; 25 Jun 99 18:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA10833 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:51:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA10825 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:51:22 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.51) [62.188.130.51] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xa9E-0000Uy-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:52:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Jun 99 18:51:19 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: RE: News Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, Great idea about a new manual, electronic no problem, most progs these days do that, I use besides bubblejet a HP Laser with LJDuplex from Mijas software, great, no problem to me, as I have said before congatulations, great I am over the moon. Bryan Kirk Bispham. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 20:02:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97789 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 20:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930336262:10:11890:28; Fri, 25 Jun 99 18:44:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011927; 25 Jun 99 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11111 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:35:30 +0100 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11106 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:35:18 +0100 Received: from modem-116.viractin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.116] helo=orchard-way) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xapi-0000PK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:36:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:52:31 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <6a25d11749%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. That's excellent news. Congratulations David. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From bric@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 25 21:15:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97791 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 21:15:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930337821:20:00023:16; Fri, 25 Jun 99 19:10:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119150; 25 Jun 99 19:10 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.9) [193.149.69.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xbMT-0001tW-00; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:10:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: David Pilling Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:51:58 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <4917d1186dbric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain In article <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP > program will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to > the addresses below. David, this is great news. Though I have had OvPro from the outset, have it upgraded to the latest, and follow the mail list with great intrest, I have so far really only toyed with it. I have so much work invested in years of use of the Impression family I felt I could not go through all that learning again if OvPro was going to fizzle out. You sounded so despondent about its future a few months ago, but I am so pleased that you have decided to continue with such a first class application. I really do hope the venture is a commercial success for you. Your reputation in the 'Acorn' community is already at the top; this new move will push it into orbit :-) Best wishes, Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 21:15:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97792 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 21:15:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930341732:20:01892:30; Fri, 25 Jun 99 20:15:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113156; 25 Jun 99 20:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11261 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:05:42 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11254 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:05:20 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xcEu-000C8l-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:06:21 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:58:37 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Re: News To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Delighted! I didn't really enter into the neo-bunfight, but as a user of Ovation for years, and as an afficionado of OPro at home and throughout our large primary school I welcome this news for all the right reasons. I have very little against Beebug, as they supported me/us at school well for nearly ten years. Is it worth adding at this point that I still think some kind of annual subscription fee would put the cherry on the doughnut and further set in concrete future development of this superb product? I do feel that although the Acorn community is unique in its price scaling and in its unrivalled level of support, we should now dip into our pockets to ensure this continues whilst all around us goes awry. What think you? -- Paul Hutton "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 25 21:15:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97793 for opro ; Fri, 25 Jun 99 21:15:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930341658:10:03840:16; Fri, 25 Jun 99 20:14:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126599; 25 Jun 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11259 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:05:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11249 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:05:17 +0100 Received: from krowdrah.demon.co.uk ([158.152.151.91]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xcEs-000C8l-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:06:18 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:06:57 +0100 (BST) From: P Hutton Subject: Suprshift Applet- further query To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear all I have amended my applet so that I now have capitalisation after two spaces; fine. However, how can the applet be amended to take into account a new paragraph- either return or return/return? Also which applet at the mo have I got loaded which automatically puts two spaces after a semi colon??? Does anyone know and how I go about amending it to only do ONE space? MGTIA -- Paul Hutton "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 01:47:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97802 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 01:47:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930352758:10:07228:49; Fri, 25 Jun 99 23:19:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106882; 25 Jun 99 23:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA11700 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:09:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA11695 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:09:42 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.5) [193.149.80.5] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xf7K-0007O5-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:10:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:11:11 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: News Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 25 Jun 1999 (14:57:12), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program >will be taken over by its author David Pilling. That's a very welcome piece of news! :-) -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 01:48:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97806 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 01:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930350683:20:05919:17; Fri, 25 Jun 99 22:44:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005603; 25 Jun 99 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA11531 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:34:52 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA11525 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:34:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 27809 invoked from network); 25 Jun 1999 22:34:26 -0000 Received: from user1240.dialdev.pipex.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (193.132.93.240) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 1999 22:34:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:55:59 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <4917d17671rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Great news, I look forward to 2.51 ->2.x updates and pricing... Same here. > I think my preference is to kill off the 2.52 upgrade. Those who > needed it (i.e. no net access) should have been mailshot and > had their chance. Does that mean we will still be upgrading from 2.46, or do you have other plans for upgrades? Will you just use Freshen and scrap the Beebug installer? > I expect at some point in the future there will be a paid for > upgrade. At least we now know the cash will be going to a worthy cause :-) Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 01:48:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97809 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 01:48:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930355835:20:11443:25; Sat, 26 Jun 99 00:10:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011530; 26 Jun 99 0:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA11808 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:59:02 +0100 Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA11803 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:58:50 +0100 Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45] helo=rjet1) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #4) id 10xfsu-00011w-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:59:52 +0100 Message-Id: <4.2.0.56.19990626005722.00957390@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> X-Sender: rjet1@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.56 (Beta) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:59:59 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Suprshift Applet- further query In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At 19:06 25/06/99 +0100, you wrote: >Dear all > >I have amended my applet so that I now have capitalisation after two spaces; >fine. However, how can the applet be amended to take into account a new >paragraph- either return or return/return? > >Also which applet at the mo have I got loaded which automatically puts two >spaces after a semi colon??? Does anyone know and how I go about amending >it to only do ONE space? Sounds like my !THe applet; go to the applets menu, then "As you type" and deselect "Double spaces". You may then have to select "Save choices" from the "As you type" menu, I forget. (Or if you want to keep double spaces after full stops but not semi-colons, remove the semi-colon from the relevant menu entry and then choose "Save choices".) -- __ Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK /\ \ Research Fellow Tel. +44 (0)1223 331943 / /\ \ http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ Mobile: +44 (0)411 555266 \ \/ / \/ / a Corydon, Corydon, qaue te dementia cepit! / /\ invenies alium, si te hic fastidit, Alexin. |_/\_\ -- Publius Vergilius Maro _Ecloga_ 2.69,73 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 13:48:55 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97829 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 13:48:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930363045:10:22736:15; Sat, 26 Jun 99 02:10:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022591; 26 Jun 99 2:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA12006 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:55:03 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA11989 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:54:32 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10xhgt-000J5e-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 01:55:36 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 02:06:24 GMT Message-Id: <97819@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Does that mean we will still be upgrading from 2.46, or do you have other >plans for upgrades? Will you just use Freshen and scrap the Beebug >installer? Probably the latter. As with many things, e.g. web site and price structure, this is not where I would have chosen to set off from. In the short term, those with Beebug copies will have to upgrade in the traditional way. Those with new copies from me, will have to use Freshen. In the long term, we'll have a big upgrade and get everyone onto the same version. But no way do I want to upgrade copies for the sake of converting from the Beebug format to the new one. That would just be a way of spending the next few months copying discs instead of doing something useful. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From drandles@march.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 26 13:48:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97830 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 13:48:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930376886:20:21183:7; Sat, 26 Jun 99 06:01:26 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113174; 26 Jun 99 6:01 GMT Received: from march.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.59]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xlWl-000FGe-0B for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:01:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Randles To: David Pilling Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:45:30 +0100 Subject: Ovation Pro News Message-ID: <4918126bb2drandles@march.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain In article <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the > addresses below. > David Pilling commented "By buying OvationPro off Beebug, I hope to > ensure that it will be developed further in the future. The first > improvements are likely to be in 'large image handling' i.e. allowing > large images to be kept on disc separately from documents, and the > implementation of graduated fills." > There are some changes to pricing. In future all copies will come with > the colour publishing supplement - formerly sold separately. > OvationPro will then cost ukp 150 > an upgrade from Ovation ukp 140 > Site licence ukp 300 > All prices include VAT in the EU, and air mail delivery where > appropriate. > The OvationPro web site has moved to www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro > The OvationPro mail list will continue to operate as before. > David Pilling This is really good news - A vote of thanks from a very satisfied user of lots of your software. Keep up the good work ! David -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ### David L Randles mailto:drandles@march.demon.co.uk ### Dorchester, UK ====================================================================== From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 13:48:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97831 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 13:48:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930377369:10:18090:15; Sat, 26 Jun 99 06:09:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018026; 26 Jun 99 6:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA12155 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:00:26 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planetd.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.16]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA12146 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:00:03 +0100 Received: from zed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-37.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.167]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08019 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:56:19 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:24:49 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: News To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 25 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > >From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the > addresses below. The best news on the RisOS scene for 1999. David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 13:49:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97832 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 13:48:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930377404:20:23424:18; Sat, 26 Jun 99 06:10:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023326; 26 Jun 99 6:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA12157 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:00:29 +0100 Received: from planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (planet.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA12147 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:00:04 +0100 Received: from zed.ak.planet.gen.nz (as5200-37.ak.planet.gen.nz [202.20.65.167]) by planet.ak.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA08022 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:56:21 +1200 (NZST) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 06:28:27 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Re: Ovation Pro - The Future To: OvationPro User Group In-Reply-To: <3773954C.9CEB82C@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 25 Jun, Neil Whiteley-Bolton wrote: > David, > > I am an ex-Acorn user who plans to return to the fold - I was holding > off following the demise of Acorn, until I was sure RISC OS had a future > (at least of sorts). I would be very much more enthusiastic about buying > Ovation Pro if I thought that you were aware of the more strategic > software developments taking place in the outside world. > For example, what is your view of XML, and do you have any plans to > support it? I personally think the facility to handle at least some XML > applications will be absolutely essential. > > Neil Whiteley-Bolton > > For those who do not know what XML is: ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:33:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 27956 invoked from network); 26 Jun 1999 08:34:35 -0000 Received: from 66-184.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.184) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 1999 08:34:35 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:31:49 +0100 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro - The Future Message-ID: <55b7ea1749%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97757@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <97757@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > One of the problems with HTML or XML is that they go against the DTP grain. > They're not intended to flow around static frames. ....embedded frames that float to the left/right endstops would be very useful to me for lots of different automatically generated reports. > For example the natural > way to add tables to OPro would be as a new sort of object. But the way tables > work in HTML is as a style applied to part of the text flow. > A program like Techwriter has a much easier job adapting to HTML. A thought... could a table be naturally thought of as an embedded object that can flow across page breaks?! Now that's a novel object for a DTP programme. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 13:49:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97837 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 13:49:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930392239:20:02965:16; Sat, 26 Jun 99 10:17:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100167; 26 Jun 99 10:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA12553 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:08:43 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA12548 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:08:32 +0100 Received: from nthom.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.75]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xpP1-0009ny-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:09:40 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by nthom.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:57:48 GMT Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:53:16 +0100 From: Norman Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <4917D13709%Norman@nthom.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, all I'm delighted to hear that DP has taken over the OPro development and marketing. It augurs well for the system's continuation. -- Norman Norman Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 15:48:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97848 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:48:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930406479:20:12325:72; Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:14:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012376; 26 Jun 99 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12877 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:05:51 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12865 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:05:23 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.84) [62.188.146.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xt6G-00003F-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:06:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bj17 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:04:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <491845900cbj17@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master Pages Lockout In-Reply-To: <491768c739tony@necpwa.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 24 Jun, Tony Simons wrote: > On 24 Jun, bj17 wrote: > > I'm trying to write my school reports using OvPro (v2.46) and I'm having > > tremendous problems when altering the Master Pages. > > Problem 1 > > I've set up the reports document so it has 2 master pages, one for each > > side of the A4 report. > > I've been able to compose the master pages, but now I want to alter them > > before I start filling in the frames. Whenever I try to alter a master > > page frame, the program locks up immediately I exit master pages. Only > > Alt/Break gets me out - then loses the alterations (and the program). > > John > Are you sure its locking - chaning the master page layout on my 24 page > booklet can take 5 minutes or more. Leave it for some time and see if it > works. You're quite right. I left it nearly seven minutes and it came back!! Thanks - I'll have to learn to be more patient. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 15:48:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97849 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:48:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930406822:20:13996:22; Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:20:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014039; 26 Jun 99 14:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12931 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:08:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12918 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:08:02 +0100 Received: from (62.188.134.126) [62.188.134.126] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xt8o-00008J-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:09:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 22 Jun 99 23:20:41 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: WordWorks and Ovation Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Jun 99 (16:29:20 +0100), pebbles@eurobell.co.uk wrote: >How does Impression communicate with WordWorks, and how might this >communication be invoked from Ovation? > >Brian > > IIRC this is via a RISC-OS message (not the Impulse protocol) and is therefore not possible to achieve via an applet. To confirm this run one of the PD message monitors while running the two together. David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 15:48:37 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97850 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:48:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930407079:20:15155:20; Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:24:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123048; 26 Jun 99 14:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA13023 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:15:43 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA13018 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:15:31 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.210) [193.149.77.210] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xtG3-0000Gi-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:16:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:34:11 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Lists applet. Was: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 9 Jun 99 (09:13:30 +0100), ovationpro@levens.co.uk wrote: >In message you wrote: > >> Thanks, Chris, and also to you all for replying. This is just what >has >> happened, so I will suspend the List applet till it's sorted out. It >> also has a slightly irritating habit that if you start a paragraph >with >> something like a date in the format 8 June the next paragraph starts >> automatically with the figure (date+1). Is this sortable? >> >Yes, this is a problem that I am aware of. It will be fixed by >(latest) end of the week, along with the Paragraph/Return problem. > >Sorry for the inconvenience. > >Benji Levens Has this yet been done? If so, has anyone used it? Again if so, does it now behave? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 15:48:42 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97852 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:48:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930407531:20:17730:16; Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:32:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017678; 26 Jun 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12967 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:09:13 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12952 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:08:47 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.98) [62.188.130.98] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xt9X-00009P-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:09:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dave Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:20:41 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: News Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am very pleased for you David, and for all OPro users. Undoubtedly this is the most sensible move Beebug have made recently and may do much to alleviate further criticisms of them, but most importantly the author is back in full control of his intellectual property. Onward & upwards from now on? Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 15:49:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97845 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:48:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930406473:10:21171:22; Sat, 26 Jun 99 14:14:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021121; 26 Jun 99 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12876 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:05:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12869 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:05:27 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.84) [62.188.146.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xt6J-00003F-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:06:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bj17 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 15:05:04 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <491845a688bj17@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Master Pages Lockout In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Jun, Keith Goodier wrote: > On Thu 24 Jun 1999 (20:36:14 +0000), bj17@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >Problem 2 > > > >I originally 'locked' several frames, then decided against it as they > >were text frames (!), so I unlocked them again before I saved the > >document. Although they are shown 'unlocked' within Master Pages, > >OvPro now thinks that these frames are still locked when I'm in the > >main document, so I cannot input text into them. Trying to edit them > >with Master Pages puts me straight back to problem 1 ........... I'm > >going round in circles ! > Providing the 'locked' frames in question are not the original large > master frame for the page but subframes originally defined on a master > page you can probably solve your problems quite easily. Simply select > a frame, click Menu, select Object, Make local, and your frame becomes > accessible. Thanks - that's solved that problem. John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 16:45:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97876 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 16:45:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930410104:20:01337:24; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:15:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001372; 26 Jun 99 15:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13434 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:07:11 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA13429 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:06:55 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.84.28] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xu3o-0000zD-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:08:05 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:08:32 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Lists applet. Was: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <26764b1849%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [snip] > Has this yet been done? If so, has anyone used it? Again if so, does > it now behave? > > TIA, > > Peter. Sorry everybody, I have been a little bit busy and so the list applet hasn't been worked on. The plan is: Get Lists working correctly, including sublists (1.1, etc.) public release Add support for roman numerals (50% done already) public release Incorporate into HTMLinks applet to allow proper automated support for
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      , etc. when exporting as HTML Our work load has slowed a little so it looks like over the next week I should be able to get something done on this. Any other suggestions, things to rip off from Word would be greatly appreciated. benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 26 16:45:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97878 for opro ; Sat, 26 Jun 99 16:45:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930410769:20:04821:15; Sat, 26 Jun 99 15:26:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004730; 26 Jun 99 15:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13501 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:17:35 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA13495 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:17:23 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.84.28] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xuDw-00019K-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:18:33 +0100 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:18:59 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Help with Macros Message-ID: <446b4c1849%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: [snip, snip, snip] > At present you have the pairs to place at both ends of selected text within > the OvPScrpt file Quoter. This makes it impossible to have "curly brackets" > (Ascii 123 and 125) as pair to be placed at the ends of selected text. > Would it be possible to have the "pairs" in a separate text file which then > anyone can adapt to his/her own preferences? More or less the same idea as > one has with the Abbrev applet. > > The main reason I ask is that since almost 1 year, that is far before the > creation of your applet, I use these curly brackets around a reference > number used for letters. Quite a few people are involved and presently all > know that when they read {1234B} they should consult a letter in their files > with the number 1234B. As in some reports such reference numbers appear many > times you can imagine my need for this facility. > Changing to another system on my side is not possible anymore as there are > already hundreds of documents with the "curly" references. > > At present I have version 0.01, I believe. > > Greetings > JohnvV > The new version, which is not yet uploaded, does contain curly brackets. I may well add the ability for user defined pairs to be added. As my work load has slowed down a bit you can all expect the following in the near future: New !Lists applet, one that works, see my other email for details New HTMLinks applet to handle the work of !Lists and access the Links database in HTMLPro (the lists functionality allows order/unordered lists to be output correctly as HTML, not needed if you don't have HTMLPro) Updated HTMLPro to handle ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:50:25 +0100 Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10xvg0-000IjF-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 16:51:36 +0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:00:21 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: RE: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B260145F515@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear David, >From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program will be taken over by its author David Pilling. [snip] Brilliant news! There are some changes to pricing. In future all copies will come with the colour publishing supplement - formerly sold separately. I bought it without the supplement - I thought it was included (how silly!) [snip] The OvationPro web site has moved to www.pilling.demon.co.uk/ovationpro Will bookmark this. The OvationPro mail list will continue to operate as before. [snip] Every success David. You deserve it. Kind regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:49:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97900 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:49:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930416472:20:05407:22; Sat, 26 Jun 99 17:01:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005341; 26 Jun 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13757 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:53:26 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA13751 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:53:14 +0100 Received: from (193.149.85.3) [193.149.85.3] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xvii-0002Jw-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:54:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 17:52:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Spaces before buttons on OvationPro 2.51 tool-bar Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Can I add my own 'wow, brilliant' to the general euphoria over David Pilling's news? And then can I ask a really boring 'RTFM'-type question - and I have read it, honest, I just can't find the right updated bit! How can I add or remove spaces before buttons on the tool-bar in v 2.51? The original manual refers to a tick box in the dialogue box used to set up a new button, but it isn't there now (at least, not in mine). I have a vague memory of using something like 'Ctrl+Tab' previously, but that was almost certainly v2.46 or earlier. Many TIA, Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:49:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97909 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:49:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930418975:20:18114:21; Sat, 26 Jun 99 17:42:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126984; 26 Jun 99 17:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA13972 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:34:47 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA13967 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 18:34:35 +0100 Received: from [212.238.92.96] (helo=muyderman-opleid.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10xwMk-0007em-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 17:35:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 19:29:24 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Re: News To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (024)377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Fri 25 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > > All contact regarding sales, support etc. should in future be to the > addresses below. > > David Pilling commented "By buying OvationPro off Beebug, I hope to ensure > that it will be developed further in the future. The first improvements are > likely to be in 'large image handling' i.e. allowing large images to be kept > on disc separately from documents, and the implementation of graduated > fills." > The OvationPro mail list will continue to operate as before. With more confidence in the future concerning OvnPro after reading this message, I also feel much admiration for the support on the mail list, which sometimes seems endless. My congratulations with the take over from OvnPro and I wish you lot of succes with it. Hans Muyderman -- Vriendelijke groeten, Kind regards, Muyderman Opleidingen -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:49:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97915 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:49:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930425684:10:27375:15; Sat, 26 Jun 99 19:34:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027209; 26 Jun 99 19:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14121 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:25:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14116 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:25:44 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.50) [62.188.133.50] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10xy6K-0004Cp-00; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:26:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr B Kirk) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 99 20:26:49 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Spaces before buttons on OvationPro 2.51 tool-bar Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 26 Jun 99 (17:52:46), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Hi, > > Can I add my own 'wow, brilliant' to the general euphoria over David > Pilling's > news? > > And then can I ask a really boring 'RTFM'-type question - and I have > read it, honest, I just can't find the right updated bit! > > How can I add or remove spaces before buttons on the tool-bar in v > 2.51? The original manual refers to a tick box in the dialogue box used > to set up a new button, but it isn't there now (at least, not in mine). > I have a vague memory of using something like 'Ctrl+Tab' previously, > but that was almost certainly v2.46 or earlier. > > Many TIA, > > Richard.c Hi Richard, I believe you are thinking of Ctrl Shift Adjust Bryan Kirk -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ bkirk@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:49:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97916 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:49:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930427367:20:02363:20; Sat, 26 Jun 99 20:02:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119359; 26 Jun 99 20:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14236 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:55:07 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA14231 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:54:55 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop4-51.access.ch [195.112.73.179]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA20142; Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:56:03 +0200 Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:53:02 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: News To: OVATIONP-L cc: "Mr Sh. Williams" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 26 Jun, Dave Dunn wrote: > I am very pleased for you David, and for all OPro users. David, It probably was a tough cooky you had to chew to get the result you wanted. Especially as I believe that you honour what is known as "loyalty". On the other hand I admire your courage. As I believe few understand what risks you are taking. > > Undoubtedly this is the most sensible move Beebug have made recently and may do > much to alleviate further criticisms of them, but most importantly the author > is back in full control of his intellectual property. Let us not forget, and I believe that David mentioned it many mailings back, that it was Beebug (or Riscuser if you prefer) who initiated this wonderful DTP program. And also that quite a few staff members at Beebug actively worked for the production of OvPro. Without their input, OvPro would now not exist as it is. Possibly not exist at all! In one of the mailings these days something was mentioned about manuals. David also mentioned many emails ago how well (or badly) Beebug was faring, not selling 1000's of their wonderful program, but only hundreds. Printing a manual as was needed for OvPro is a very costly affair in our RiscOs world. If you print millions, the individual manual costs are 'peanuts'. I wonder what the cost is of a manual if only printing just one-hundred manuals. It would be a pity to end up as happened with PipeDream. This powerful program is presently only available without a manual. Which means that the finer details remain hidden for the average user. I do have some ideas how to counter this problem, but it still needs some mulling over in my grey cells. David, I shall inform you directly after a few more days thought. Meanwhile: I am very pleased as well. John vV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:50:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97929 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:50:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930442500:10:24260:15; Sun, 27 Jun 99 00:15:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024176; 27 Jun 99 0:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA14464 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:01:41 +0100 Received: from mars.planet.net.au (mars.planet.net.au [203.15.90.4]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id BAA14459 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:01:27 +0100 Received: from imagfact.starnet.com.au (du173-13-161-202.mel.planet.net.au [202.161.13.173]) by mars.planet.net.au (8.8.6/8.6.1 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:37:54 +0000 (GMT) From: Mal McClenaghan Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: the image factory X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Not wanting to appear too AOL, but I must add my congratulations to the growing pile. Well done David, we look forward to your continued input and advice. Regards, Mal -- ____________________________________________________ Mal McClenaghan the image factory Tel: +61 3 9458 3599 PO Box 599, Fax: +61 3 9458 3488 Rosanna, Email: imagfact@starnet.com.au Victoria 3084, Australia Winners of the 1999 Australian Achiever Award ____________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:50:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97937 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:50:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930466639:10:15624:16; Sun, 27 Jun 99 06:57:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129250; 27 Jun 99 6:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA14929 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:46:01 +0100 Received: from server0.screaming.net (root@server0.screaming.net [212.49.224.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14924 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:45:46 +0100 Received: from beebware.screaming.net (dyn202-ras4.screaming.net [212.49.227.202]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA17307 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:02:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 01:25:36 +0100 (BST) From: Richard Chiswell Subject: Re: New To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <199906270003.BAA14474@omega.barnet.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Beebware International (but mail/post does not respect views) X-Website: http://www.beebware.com X-Warning-1: Sending mail to this address indicates acceptance of X-Warning-2: our Acceptable Use Policy which is on public display X-Warning-3: on our website and via our autoresponder. X-Autoresponder: info@beebware.com X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Congrats David - heres to the next upgrade of OvationPRO. BTW Do people who brought OvPro from Beebug but didn't get the colour sypplement get it from you free of charge or do we have to buy it from Beebug or yourself. Richy C. -- ..sig now gotta update the link to OvationPro on http://dmoz.org/Compters/Operating_Systems/RISCOS/Software/DTP -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:50:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97942 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:50:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930471362:10:15536:16; Sun, 27 Jun 99 08:16:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015527; 27 Jun 99 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA15051 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:51:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA15046 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:51:27 +0100 Received: from (194.69.104.247) [194.69.104.247] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10y9k6-0003iz-00; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 08:52:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Jun 99 08:50:08 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Spaces before buttons on OvationPro 2.51 tool-bar Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 26 Jun 99 (20:26:49), bkirk@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >Hi Richard, >I believe you are thinking of Ctrl Shift Adjust > >Bryan Kirk > Thank you Bryan, I was indeed. And I shall print out a copy of your e-mail and add it to my manual! Cheers Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:50:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97946 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930475307:10:10305:15; Sun, 27 Jun 99 09:21:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115981; 27 Jun 99 9:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA15231 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:13:50 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15226 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 10:13:36 +0100 Received: from mk-net.demon.co.uk ([194.222.12.18] helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10yB1c-000HyO-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:14:57 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 18:44:14 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: News References: <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes >It has. I'm toying with the idea of making it available in document format, >after updating it. My guess is that it will never be viable to have >it printed again. > That would be excellent. Plesae make it A4 or A5, rather than the strange in-between format that the original was in. > Great news, anyway, David. Good luck! -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:50:57 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97949 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:50:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930479774:20:27187:17; Sun, 27 Jun 99 10:36:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124503; 27 Jun 99 10:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA15382 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:24:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA15377 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:24:45 +0100 Received: from (62.188.130.80) [62.188.130.80] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10yC8S-0005PI-00; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Jun 99 11:12:44 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Lists applet. Was: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 26 Jun 99 (16:08:32 +0000), ovationpro@levens.co.uk wrote: >Sorry everybody, I have been a little bit busy and so the list applet >hasn't been worked on. The plan is: > Get Lists working correctly, including sublists (1.1, etc.) > public release > Add support for roman numerals (50% done already) > public release > Incorporate into HTMLinks applet to allow proper automated support > for
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          , etc. when exporting as HTML > >Our work load has slowed a little so it looks like over the next week I >should be able to get something done on this. > Glad to hear this; will you announce on the list when it's ready? TIA, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:51:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97952 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:51:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930482854:20:12973:40; Sun, 27 Jun 99 11:27:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124017; 27 Jun 99 11:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15526 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:19:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15521 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:19:04 +0100 Received: from snave.demon.co.uk ([158.152.89.120]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10yCz3-000Ocu-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:20:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 20:18:24 +0100 Subject: Re: News Message-ID: <49185cd82ejack@snave.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.8) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. A red letter day that will be, with RO4 being formally launched then too! May I add my gratitude and pledge of future support for David's efforts to that of everyone else's. Regards Jack -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:51:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97957 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:51:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930486086:20:29588:16; Sun, 27 Jun 99 12:21:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029555; 27 Jun 99 12:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA15667 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:08:48 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA15662 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:08:36 +0100 Received: from (193.149.91.38) [193.149.91.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10yDky-0006jW-00; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:09:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Martin To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:55:59 +0100 Message-ID: <4918b82c67docmart@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: News In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 25 Jun, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message <97755@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling > writes > >It has. I'm toying with the idea of making it available in document format, > >after updating it. My guess is that it will never be viable to have > >it printed again. > > > That would be excellent. Plesae make it A4 or A5, rather than the > strange in-between format that the original was in. Surely it doesn't matter if it's only in A4, as you can print it as A5 if you so desire? John -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:51:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97959 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:51:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930487639:20:07052:16; Sun, 27 Jun 99 12:47:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006970; 27 Jun 99 12:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA15790 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:35:24 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15785 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 13:35:12 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JCWCVCLF0M00U8SI@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:40:57 GMT +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 14:38:32 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: News In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <6a90c11849.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: > On Sat 26 Jun, Dave Dunn wrote: > > I am very pleased for you David, and for all OPro users. > In one of the mailings these days something was mentioned about manuals. > David also mentioned many emails ago how well (or badly) Beebug was > faring, not selling 1000's of their wonderful program, but only hundreds. > Printing a manual as was needed for OvPro is a very costly affair in our > RiscOs world. If you print millions, the individual manual costs are > 'peanuts'. I wonder what the cost is of a manual if only printing just > one-hundred manuals. > There are a few programs (small ones) who have a digital manual. I know it isn't as nice as a paper one, but it is cheap. An HTML manual for instance is cheap readable for everyone (when you put a freeware webbrowser with it) and easy to keep up-to-date. The antialiasing on the RISC OS computer makes reading from screen quite pleasant and when you want to read something more carefully you can print it out. The latter only applies on people with printers. You can put the manual on the web and people can add their own pages to it. You can actually make a Manual-page just like the Applets-page. So people with an updated version of OvP can get their manual up-to-date and even the applets can be included in the manual. I know there are lots of pros and cons and it leaves lots of questions but what is the general feeling about this idea? > Meanwhile: I am very pleased as well. > Me too of course. Regards -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:51:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA97986 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:51:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930521400:10:03270:15; Sun, 27 Jun 99 22:10:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003187; 27 Jun 99 22:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA16390 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:59:48 +0100 Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (root@dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA16385 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:59:35 +0100 Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-97.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.97]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA26384 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:30:41 +0930 (CST) Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:58:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Re: 2fold A4 flyer To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <97650@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >I've got a problem making a flyer. > > Firstly what you really want is another imposition format. That would > be a good solution. Problem is you'd have to sit down for a day and > program it. Is there a web site with all the impositions that have been written? Peter -- Peter Prewett, Coromandel Valley, South Australia, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:52:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98007 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:52:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930519553:20:02495:23; Sun, 27 Jun 99 21:39:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002366; 27 Jun 99 21:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA16262 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:26:46 +0100 Received: from mta1-svc.virgin.net (mta1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.142]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA16257 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:26:31 +0100 Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.71.236]) by mta1-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with SMTP id <19990627212808.DRWF20215.mta1-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 22:28:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:13:09 +0100 (BST) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Re: News To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, My best wishes also to David, now that he has full control of OP. Am I wrong, or is this another welcome sign that all things RiscOS are returning to the control of people who really care about this system? If I am right that can only be a good thing. I too want to assure David that charging for upgrades is something which I expect, indeed it is the only way in which the work which is being done can be properly rewarded. As others have mentioned, we are usually charged very moderate prices for upgrades especially when compared the the major systems which charge as much for upgrades, as we pay for the the new program. And this is for many thousands of units, no wonder that several people can be employed to work on the project. I would be ready to join a supporters club or whatever it may be called and pay a regular annual subscription, but perhaps the administration is not available to cope with this. More strength to your elbow David, keep up the good work. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Caldicot e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net NP26 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:53:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98025 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:53:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930551314:20:24862:55; Mon, 28 Jun 99 06:28:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024819; 28 Jun 99 6:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA16907 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:19:10 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16902 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 07:18:54 +0100 Received: from [212.126.146.128] (helo=arthurmcd.freeuk.com) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10yUkr-0002VJ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 06:18:57 +0000 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:25:28 +0100 (BST) From: Arthur Mc Dowell Subject: Re: News To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <49185cd82ejack@snave.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Arthur McDowell, Tel 01435 830302 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 26 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > In article <97732@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > > >From the 1st of July 1999, publication of the OvationPro DTP program > > will be taken over by its author David Pilling. > > A red letter day that will be, with RO4 being formally launched then too! > > May I add my gratitude and pledge of future support for David's efforts > to that of everyone else's. > > Regards > > Jack Yes great news Quite right and all the best to you David hoping it goes well! Arthur -- Arthur Mc Dowell: An owner of Acorn Risc Pc With StrongArm and Riscos Foundation Also running Zap 1.40 Dallington. Heathfield. Sussex. United Kingdom -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:53:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98041 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:53:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930575133:20:01095:29; Mon, 28 Jun 99 13:05:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116511; 28 Jun 99 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17369 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:21 +0100 Received: from mailout.access.ch (mailout.access.ch [195.112.71.160]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17364 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:46:06 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop3-56.access.ch [195.112.73.120]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA32234 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:46:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:08:55 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: WordWorks and Ovation To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <7087381649%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 22 Jun, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > How does Impression communicate with WordWorks, According to the Worworks manual simply by selecting a word in an Impression document. As long as the Wordworks window is open the word will automatically appear. The other way around: slect the alternative word in the Wordworks window and ouble click adjust. What precedes also works with Style. And I presume that it should also work with ImpPro. > and how might > this communication be invoked from Ovation? I do not think that is possible. Of course you may choose to use Beebuug's Thesaurus. And you can easily edit all entries of this program which is not possible with WordWorks. Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 28 22:54:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98067 for opro ; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:54:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930593439:20:01481:37; Mon, 28 Jun 99 18:10:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126380; 28 Jun 99 18:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA17713 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:16:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA17708 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:15:56 +0100 Received: from (193.149.71.62) [193.149.71.62] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10yf0m-0000GQ-00; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 16:41:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 Message-ID: <491950a2adcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906281248.NAA17378@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199906281248.NAA17378@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > I know there are lots of pros and cons and it leaves lots of > questions but what is the general feeling about this idea? Prefer printed, but won't complain at any form - as long as we get one ! > > Meanwhile: I am very pleased as well. > > > Me too of course. Brilliant news, now the money should go to the right source ! I hope you are now inspired, David ! Yours with best wishes -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 02:07:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98111 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 02:07:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930608611:10:29456:43; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:23:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029530; 28 Jun 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA18188 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:09:15 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18183 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:09:03 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup017.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.49]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22099 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:11:28 GMT Message-ID: <3778543B.738B@bnet.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:08:01 -0700 From: Mike Williams Organization: Akalat Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 References: <199906281248.NAA17378@omega.barnet.ac.uk> <491950a2adcolinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro colinwoolf wrote: > > On 28 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest > wrote: > > I know there are lots of pros and cons and it leaves lots of > > questions but what is the general feeling about this idea? > > Prefer printed, but won't complain at any form - as long as we get > one ! Can I suggest PDF as a suitable format, then we get the best of both worlds. PDF certainly seems to be used increasingly for this purpose. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 02:07:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98112 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 02:07:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930608627:10:29476:71; Mon, 28 Jun 99 22:23:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109481; 28 Jun 99 22:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA18162 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:55:23 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA18157 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:55:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 4799 invoked from network); 28 Jun 1999 21:55:20 -0000 Received: from usera863.uk.uudial.com (HELO loopback) (193.149.69.101) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 1999 21:55:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes at argo" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 22:55:54 +0100 Subject: Applets Message-ID: <491972ef88df.symes@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11L (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Had a weird problem for a few days... I had to remove an applet (read pain in arse)... I'll not say who it belonged to, or what the error message generated by Ov Pro said... for that would identify the applet. My question is this: When an applet is uninstalled/removed should it also remove any Key macros it had redefined? One of the problems I had with applet installed... It redefined some of the default key defs so that basic usual key presses didn't work as they should have. Again I won't say what keys were redefined as that would identify the applet, and considering the bad mood I'm in at the moment after manually repairing my key Macros, I might say something regrettable. But to give an example (that has nothing to do with the applet). If you suddenly discovered that CTRL-V deleted things instead of pasting them... So... to recap... When an applet is uninstalled/removed should it also remove any Key macros it had redefined? Cheers Dave S -- _______________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk .. or.. dfs@ukgateway.net or... df@dafs.freeserve.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 02:08:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98119 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 02:08:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930612324:20:13967:16; Mon, 28 Jun 99 23:25:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119124; 28 Jun 99 23:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA18391 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:46:54 +0100 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA18386 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:46:40 +0100 Received: from modem-80.herceptin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.70.208] helo=orchard-way) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10yk1O-0001om-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:37:03 +0100 Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 23:40:50 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Printing black and colour separately Message-ID: <95c771949%Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m User-Agent: POPstar/2.01b12 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro At least 6 months ago I asked here if separations could be used to solve a particular problem involving a slow colour inkjet. The answer was no. I have now found a reasonable solution. The idea was to print a page which is mostly black text, but has colour photos in, as two passes. Pass one prints the photos using all four inks. The second pass prints just the text, using the high-speed black cartridge. (Canon BJC4350 - the black cartridge does about a centimetre at a pass.) The result is faster than printing the entire page using the colour cartridge, and a little cheaper too, because I can user a lower resolution for the text. The method is as follows: Define an additional spot colour, say, Text Black. Set the bodytext style to this, and change border colours, line colours etc to it as well. To help, use Edit colours and change it to lime green, or yellow, so it stands out. For the photo pass, edit the colour of Text Black to None. Print. For the text pass, edit the colour of text black to black, select "No Pictures" and print. I found by experimenting that changing the definitions of the process colours doesn't stop them printing. Also, there is a faint black border drawn on the "no pictures" pass round each picture. It's not perfect, but it's printing the 130 copy run of oyr magazine as I write. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 13:44:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98198 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 13:44:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930648883:10:12984:24; Tue, 29 Jun 99 09:34:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129987; 29 Jun 99 9:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA18879 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:17:56 +0100 Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA18874 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:17:42 +0100 Received: from [195.102.197.168] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10ytwc-0001h5-00; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:12:47 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:24:50 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <3778543B.738B@bnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Jun, Mike Williams wrote: > colinwoolf wrote: > > > > On 28 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest > > wrote: > > > I know there are lots of pros and cons and it leaves lots of > > > questions but what is the general feeling about this idea? > > > > Prefer printed, but won't complain at any form - as long as we get > > one ! > > Can I suggest PDF as a suitable format, then we get the best of both > worlds. PDF certainly seems to be used increasingly for this purpose. > Hardly a universal format. Straight text can be edited to suit anyones requirements. -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 13:44:50 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98200 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 13:44:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930651094:10:13330:42; Tue, 29 Jun 99 10:11:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118963; 29 Jun 99 10:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA18998 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:58:53 +0100 Received: from lx.student.wau.nl (steveno@lx.student.wau.nl [137.224.11.58]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA18993 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:58:41 +0100 Received: from localhost (steveno@localhost) by lx.student.wau.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27602 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:58:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 11:58:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Steven Ottens To: User mailings Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue, 29 Jun 1999, J W B Greenwood wrote: > On Tue 29 Jun, Mike Williams wrote: > > colinwoolf wrote: > > > > > > On 28 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest > > > wrote: > > > > I know there are lots of pros and cons and it leaves lots of > > > > questions but what is the general feeling about this idea? > > > > > > Prefer printed, but won't complain at any form - as long as we get > > > one ! > > > > Can I suggest PDF as a suitable format, then we get the best of both > > worlds. PDF certainly seems to be used increasingly for this purpose. > > Hardly a universal format. Straight text can be edited to suit > anyones requirements. Straight text is not a real option. You can give a straight text version with it but straight text isn't good enough for a clear manual. You need a manual with a clear layout to find things easy. When you've got a digital manual you can add hyperlinks in it. So do it. Hyperlinks makes it much easier to find things in a manual (when they are used good). I've looked around what the RISC OS options are. PDF viewer is free for everyone - not sure about the writer, but that's too slow when you've got a major document. StrongHelp free for anyone, most people have it already, but not easy to add new pages (i think - not sure). HTML easy to add new pages (except when you want them woven into the manual, with hyperlinks everywhere), but the viewers are either not freeware or old/buggy. Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. Greetings Steven M. Ottens. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98308 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930677872:10:21335:15; Tue, 29 Jun 99 17:37:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021270; 29 Jun 99 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19692 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:07:07 +0100 Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA19687 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:06:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 3589 invoked from network); 29 Jun 1999 17:07:16 -0000 Received: from userat17.uk.uudial.com (HELO userat17) (62.188.137.120) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 29 Jun 1999 17:07:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: User mailings Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 14:48:17 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 Message-ID: <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Steven Ottens wrote: > Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know > HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. Sorry, the header isn't that clear, but are you all discussing possible formats for a future Ovation Pro manual? If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous if it appeared in any format other than OP itself? OP's search facilities are better than any type of hypertext links for finding things, and if anybody really wanted a different version then they could create one from the OP original, certainly pdf or HTML anyway. There can, in this case, surely be no argument that people may not have the wherewithal to read an OP format manual? Or am I missing something, somewhere? While I'm on, congratulations David. Very good news regarding the future of the package. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98315 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930679159:10:06951:19; Tue, 29 Jun 99 17:59:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100104; 29 Jun 99 17:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19804 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:48:53 +0100 Received: from serv1.is4.u-net.net (serv1.is4.u-net.net [195.102.240.153]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19797 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 18:48:41 +0100 Received: from [195.102.198.192] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is4.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #4) id 10z1yq-0004bK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 17:47:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:30:01 +0100 (BST) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 To: User mailings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know > HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. > So you wouldn't have much trouble converting plain text into an HTML format ? -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98318 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930683336:20:28505:15; Tue, 29 Jun 99 19:08:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028309; 29 Jun 99 19:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA19966 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:52:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA19961 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:52:19 +0100 Received: from (193.149.81.226) [193.149.81.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10z2zp-0002Y1-00; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:52:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:52:52 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #185 Message-ID: <4919e602d2colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906291749.SAA19822@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199906291749.SAA19822@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 29 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > Sorry, the header isn't that clear, but are you all discussing > possible formats for a future Ovation Pro manual? > If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be > ridiculous if it appeared in any format other than OP itself? Well, how small I feel ! ;) Absolutely right ! Cheers -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98321 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930686441:10:08228:24; Tue, 29 Jun 99 20:00:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124094; 29 Jun 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20133 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:49:38 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20128 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:49:23 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JCZKLALY2Q00OM5X@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:54:18 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:12 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: OvP Manual (was: OvP Digest V1 #184) In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <9cf0f01949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > > > Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know > > HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. > > > So you wouldn't have much trouble converting plain text into an HTML > format ? > Nope, when people give me the text (and the time) I can transform it quick in a simple HTML document. Just like the Manuals you see for installing Linux, writing HTML etc. A fully layouted one would take more time of course. Greetings -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98322 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930686434:20:08871:37; Tue, 29 Jun 99 20:00:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107046; 29 Jun 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20148 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:50:38 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20143 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:50:26 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JCZKMLJCBK00SDNN@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:55:20 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:34 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: OvP Manual (was: OvP Digest V1 #184) In-reply-to: To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <55f9f01949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > > > > Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know > > HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. > > > So you wouldn't have much trouble converting plain text into an HTML > format ? > Nope, when people give me the text (and the time) I can transform it quick in a simple HTML document. Just like the Manuals you see for installing Linux, writing HTML etc. A fully layouted one would take more time of course. Greetings -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98325 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930686934:10:14467:25; Tue, 29 Jun 99 20:08:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108478; 29 Jun 99 20:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA20236 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:58:27 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA20224 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:58:08 +0100 Received: from riscpc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01JCZKW3R93I00SDNN@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:03:01 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:00:53 +0100 From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: OP Manual (was OP Digest V1 #184) In-reply-to: <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: <43bcf11949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Uni MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.00 (MsgServe/1.00b) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 References: <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> Dave wrote: > In article , > Steven Ottens wrote: > > > Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know > > HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. > > Sorry, the header isn't that clear, but are you all discussing possible > formats for a future Ovation Pro manual? > Yup > If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous if it > appeared in any format other than OP itself? OP's search facilities are > better than any type of hypertext links for finding things, and if anybody > really wanted a different version then they could create one from the OP > original, certainly pdf or HTML anyway. > Curious, how can you change OP to pdf? > There can, in this case, surely be no argument that people may not have the > wherewithal to read an OP format manual? > I'm not sure why would people be able to read OP format manuals when they have OP ;-) Anyone it is a good idea but it has also it's pros and cons. Pros everyone can read OP, it is a good format, easy to work with everyone can make extra manualpages (you cxan even make masterpages for the Manual) Cons when they want to install OP they can't use the manual (but that's not a big problem, just write a good ReadMe), search is good but still not as good as a good hyperlinked document (i think). > Or am I missing something, somewhere? Nope you made a very good point which I totally overlooked. Regards -- / Steven M. Ottens O'dd- Ottens' Dutch Designs \ http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 22:14:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98328 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:14:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930690252:10:28175:15; Tue, 29 Jun 99 21:04:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028006; 29 Jun 99 21:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA20502 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:30 +0100 Received: from mailhub2.liv.ac.uk (mailhub2.liv.ac.uk [138.253.100.95]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA20497 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:17 +0100 Received: from inbox.liv.ac.uk ([138.253.100.92]) by mailhub2.liv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10z4rx-0005MM-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:41 +0100 Received: from ts134049 (ts134049.dial.liv.ac.uk [138.253.134.49]) by inbox.liv.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.4-ajt4b) with SMTP id VAA13507 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:52:19 +0100 From: David Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 Message-ID: <37f3f01949.dpt@tristone.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/2.01 (MsgServe/1.01) (RISC-OS/3.80) POPstar/2.01b12 X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.19 pre-35 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Steven Ottens wrote: > Straight text is not a real option. You can give a straight text version > with it but straight text isn't good enough for a clear manual. You need a > manual with a clear layout to find things easy. Getting a clear, well formatted, layout in StrongHelp or HTML is *much* harder than in OvPro. > When you've got a digital manual you can add hyperlinks in it. So do it. > Hyperlinks makes it much easier to find things in a manual (when they are > used good). With a hyperlinked manual then you'll need a conversion stage between the source format (OvPro) and the hyperlinked format. Ok, for HTML there's HTMLPro, but then that requires a browser - and if everyone has OvPro in the first place the conversion is work for little gain. Plus, of course, everyone will need a browser/reader. StrongHelp is no longer being developed by its author and the browser situation is ... urgh. > I've looked around what the RISC OS options are. PDF viewer is free for > everyone - not sure about the writer, but that's too slow when you've got a > major document. StrongHelp free for anyone, most people have it already, > but not easy to add new pages (i think - not sure). HTML easy to add new > pages (except when you want them woven into the manual, with hyperlinks > everywhere), but the viewers are either not freeware or old/buggy. PDF is slow even with a small document. StrongHelp is easy to write for - once you've taken the time to learn the syntax - as it hosts its own image filing system and can cope with sprites and DrawFiles. Unfortunately things sometimes don't come out the way you put them in (especially if the user has chosen their own fonts) and it has odd habits (it'll search through binary files for strings instead of just skipping them.) > Anyway my personal preference is HTML, but that's mainly because i know > HTML and i don't know StrongHelp. StrongHelp might be a good option also. Seems a waste to not use OvPro's capabilites, even if it means sacrificing hyperlinks. It'll be quicker for DP to maintain the OvPro documentation in it's native format... HTML and StrongHelp would require an extra conversion step plus checking. Plus a manual in OvPro format will be an excellent example in itself. Cheers, Dave -- \\ D a v i d T h o m a s dpt@tristone.co.uk // \\\ Waterloo, Liverpool, UK. http://www.tristone.co.uk/davespace/ /// -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 23:05:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98358 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 23:04:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930693096:20:09478:15; Tue, 29 Jun 99 21:51:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009422; 29 Jun 99 21:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA20596 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:42 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20582 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:11 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10z59H-0005LH-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:10:35 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 15:46:17 GMT Message-Id: <98231@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Applets X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When an applet is uninstalled/removed should it also remove any Key macros >it had redefined? It should do, yes. But because there's no mechanism for doing so, they rarely do. This is one of those snags that only become apparent afterwards. A bit like the way more than one thing can claim a keypress. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 23:05:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98360 for opro ; Tue, 29 Jun 99 23:05:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930692377:10:27658:17; Tue, 29 Jun 99 21:39:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106409; 29 Jun 99 21:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA20597 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:45 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20586 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:12 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10z59I-0005LH-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:10:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:07:23 GMT Message-Id: <98233@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2fold A4 flyer X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there a web site with all the impositions that have been written? No. I think Nick Kaijaks may have one on his site. People tend to write these things for their own private use. Still now that, the future is secured, maybe someone will do that long promised imposition editor? 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 01:28:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98362 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 01:28:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930694066:10:21397:22; Tue, 29 Jun 99 22:07:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120314; 29 Jun 99 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA20594 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA20578 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 22:10:09 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10z59F-0005LH-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:10:33 +0000 Date: Tue, 29 Jun 99 15:39:51 GMT Message-Id: <98229@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: News X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>In future all copies will come with the colour publishing supplement - >>formerly sold separately. >I bought it without the supplement - I thought it was included (how silly!) I expect to put the colour supplement applet and documentation on the web site in due course. >Can I suggest PDF as a suitable format, then we get the best of both >worlds. PDF certainly seems to be used increasingly for this purpose. Of course given anyone interested has a copy of OPro, OPro document files would be a likely format for a manual. >My best wishes also to David, now that he has full control of OP. Thanks for all the good wishes. I'll see what I can do. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 16:00:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98433 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 16:00:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930752444:20:04200:23; Wed, 30 Jun 99 14:20:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105556; 30 Jun 99 14:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA21379 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:05:15 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA21374 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 15:05:00 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10zKzV-0002Q5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:05:33 +0000 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 14:48:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: OP Manual (was OP Digest V1 #184) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <43bcf11949.steveno@lx.student.wau.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 29 Jun, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > In message <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> > Dave wrote: > > If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous if it > > appeared in any format other than OP itself? OP's search facilities are > > better than any type of hypertext links for finding things, and if anybody > > really wanted a different version then they could create one from the OP > > original, certainly pdf or HTML anyway. No, you are not the only one. > Curious, how can you change OP to pdf? By printing the document to a PostScript file and making PDF of it through Acrobat Distiller or NikNak on another platform or not so nice through GhostScript 5.5 on the RiscPC. The last may make vector line rendering not so good as the other two do. The RiscOs PS driver will chop sprites, so better use JPEGs to keep the rendering faster. Creating PDF files on RiscOs machines may become better though ..... and maybe even the Postscript driver will become better. But till then I don't see any advantage in a PDF manual on a RiscOs machine. Ovation to HTML? No experience there but reading David's comments and a review of the tool for it I doubt that will be easy or good. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 18:36:40 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98443 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 18:36:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930760868:20:03488:17; Wed, 30 Jun 99 16:41:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110476; 30 Jun 99 16:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA21547 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:21:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA21542 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:21:32 +0100 Received: from (62.188.133.105) [62.188.133.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10zMBY-0003YJ-00; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:22:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: User mailings Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 07:58:06 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 Message-ID: <491a286962sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> References: <9 User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk>, Dave wrote: > If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous if it > appeared in any format other than OP itself? OP's search facilities are > better than any type of hypertext links for finding things, and if anybody > really wanted a different version then they could create one from the OP > original, certainly pdf or HTML anyway. No you're not the only person who thinks this! Let's getthe manual in the format we all use - and it's up to the individual if they want to convert it with !HTMLPro, etc. They can always submit their alternative manual to the website for all :) And let David concentrate on the application we all like. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 18:36:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98446 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 18:36:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930759962:20:17557:21; Wed, 30 Jun 99 16:26:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112475; 30 Jun 99 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21707 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:42 +0100 Received: from judy.ic.ac.uk (judy.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA21699 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:28 +0100 Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.4]) by judy.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10zMwr-0004an-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:57 +0100 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10zMwf-0001VC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:45 +0100 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:42 +0100 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B260145F543@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Reeves-Hall, Peter C." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:10:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For my 2p's worth..... If it is going to be a new "manual" then OP format is fine as we can print it out at our leasure - hyperlinks not needed! If it is supposed to be an online help & guide then I think HTML is best.... - Hyperlinks are a must for it to be useful.... and I think there are more important things for OP than document based hyperlink support. Peter -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 18:36:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98447 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 18:36:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930760868:20:03530:18; Wed, 30 Jun 99 16:41:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110652; 30 Jun 99 16:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA21613 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:48:22 +0100 Received: from auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (auemail1.lucent.com [192.11.223.161]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA21608 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:48:10 +0100 Received: from uk0006exch001p.wins.lucent.com (h135-86-160-146.lucent.com [135.86.160.146]) by auemlsrv.firewall.lucent.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15558 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 11:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by uk0006exch001p.uk.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:48:42 +0100 Message-ID: <57D6C2C01BD9D111A0BE0000C061C3F4EA2FC3@uk0006exch003u.uk.lucent.com> From: "Howe, Christopher Ian (Chris)" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:48:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I wasn't going to chip in but... OvPro is not necessarily an ideal format for a big manual insofar as those of us with 4M machines or less might not be able to read it, especially with pictures. Of course one had saved up for a new [yellow] machine, but which one to buy now... Christopher I Howe Lucent, Malmesbury UK > ---------- > From: Steve White[SMTP > Reply To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Sent: 30 June 1999 07:58 > To: User mailings > Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #184 > > In article <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk>, > Dave wrote: > > If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous if it > > appeared in any format other than OP itself? OP's search facilities are > > better than any type of hypertext links for finding things, and if > anybody > > really wanted a different version then they could create one from the OP > > original, certainly pdf or HTML anyway. > No you're not the only person who thinks this! > Let's getthe manual in the format we all use - and it's up to the > individual > if they want to convert it with !HTMLPro, etc. They can always submit > their > alternative manual to the website for all :) And let David concentrate on > the > application we all like. > > Cheers > Steve > > -- > .-------------------------------------. > |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to > Understand" > '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk > ... using Acorn RISC computers > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 18:37:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98449 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 18:37:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930761862:20:20820:15; Wed, 30 Jun 99 16:57:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020604; 30 Jun 99 16:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21919 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:34:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21909 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:33:58 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.70.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10zNJc-0004pt-00; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:34:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:34:43 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OP Manual (was OP Digest V1 #184) Message-ID: <20b2621a49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Tue 29 Jun, Steven M. Ottens wrote: > > In message <9ca20f6davefloyd@ukgateway.co.uk> > > Dave wrote: > > > > If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous > > > if it appeared in any format other than OP itself? OP's search > > > facilities are better than any type of hypertext links for finding > > > things, and if anybody really wanted a different version then they > > > could create one from the OP original, certainly pdf or HTML > > > anyway. > > No, you are not the only one. > > > Curious, how can you change OP to pdf? > > By printing the document to a PostScript file and making PDF of it > through Acrobat Distiller or NikNak on another platform or not so nice > through GhostScript 5.5 on the RiscPC. The last may make vector line > rendering not so good as the other two do. The RiscOs PS driver will > chop sprites, so better use JPEGs to keep the rendering faster. Creating > PDF files on RiscOs machines may become better though ..... and maybe > even the Postscript driver will become better. But till then I don't see > any advantage in a PDF manual on a RiscOs machine. Ovation to HTML? No > experience there but reading David's comments and a review of the tool > for it I doubt that will be easy or good. > > Ernst Re HTML, HTMLPro is getting a lot better and is certainly greatly improved over the review version. I am currently writing a site manager and adding support for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:47:54 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-76.access.ch [195.112.93.204]) by mailout.access.ch (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06897 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:48:27 +0200 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 18:45:01 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: OP Manual (was OP Digest V1 #184) To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA21966 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB21971 Some quotes of prior messages: >> If so, am I the only person here who thinks it would be ridiculous if = it >> appeared in any format other than OP itself? ........ (Dave) > No, you are not the only one. (Ernst Dinkla) Definitely not. Do not forget the extra's you get when in electronic OP format. Many of the techniques used can then be made visible by selecting the "Modify" text/object/picture options. And by activating the Style palette applet you also see which styles are used, and where. No written text in a manua= l can give all that info!=20 Unless of course you want a manual of 800 pages or more. 8-( David will surely know to stick to an efficient and practical manual. Re-writing the present manual to another format is a huge task. And even this is probably an understatement. It probably needs hundreds of hours o= f editing. =20 It would be nice if you could "magnify" the present A5-1/2 format to A4 format. Everything turns out somewhat bigger, but not bad if you then resort to pamphlet printing on A4=A0paper. JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch tel +41 41 3706125 | RiscPC (ex-Acorn) Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 30 18:38:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA98462 for opro ; Wed, 30 Jun 99 18:38:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 930763677:10:29359:15; Wed, 30 Jun 99 17:27:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029254; 30 Jun 99 17:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA21857 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:27:41 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA21852 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:27:29 +0100 Received: from (cc10.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.70.102] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10zNDO-0004hT-00; Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:28:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 17:28:17 +0000 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: 2fold A4 flyer Message-ID: <241b621a49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <98233@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <98233@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [snip] > Still now that, the future is secured, maybe someone will do > that long promised imposition editor? 8-) Now there's an idea... benji -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message