From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 1 22:00:15 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96009 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:00:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 927998447:20:29792:17; Sat, 29 May 99 17:20:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029742; 29 May 99 17:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA05910 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:11:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA05904 for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:11:12 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10nmel-000EI1-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 29 May 1999 17:12:24 +0000 Date: Sat, 29 May 99 18:07:27 GMT Message-Id: <96007@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have not had any postings from the Ovation Pro list for several days. Have I >missed something? As Lonnie Donegan once sang "...hey you've missed me am I too late? Nah jump up on the cart...". As far as I know there have been no postings for a few days now. Obviously everything is going well, or its been sunny, or eveyone has bought a PC. As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may well pick up in the future. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 1 22:02:13 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96028 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:02:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928001020:20:01289:0; Sat, 29 May 99 18:03:40 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109075; 29 May 99 18:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.204.98] (helo=cartmell.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10nnSD-000Ggx-0B for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Sat, 29 May 1999 18:03:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 18:46:27 +0100 Subject: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Message-ID: <4909e9050ejohn@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11j (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain On 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > well pick up in the future. I think you have a different idea of quiet, David - and the future's coming up fast. Let me know after the next 2 shows (Holland and SE) if you think it's quiet! -- This sig. is still in the future tense John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using a RiscStation R7500 with RISC OS 4 - the best way to understand technology From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 1 22:08:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96044 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:08:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928073179:20:24550:16; Sun, 30 May 99 14:06:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101681; 30 May 99 14:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07045 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:56:47 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA07040 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:56:31 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.153) [193.149.70.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10o664-0007Zt-00; Sun, 30 May 1999 14:57:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 21:27:26 +0100 Subject: Re: Selecting numbers Message-ID: <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> References: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11i (RISC-OS/3.6) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace>, Nicholas Kaijaks wrote: > This is turning into the 'double-space-after-a-full-stop' debate again, > isn't it ;-) Yes, sort of! [snip] I accept that the period may not the correct character for a decimal point. However it is used as such in most programming languages, and has become accepted as a decimal point for most occasions. I think there is even an OPro Applet that adds up a column of numbers which uses it ;-) But my real point is that if I double click on the 789 portion of 123.789, then it is /wrong/ to end up with 123 selected! The scan-left and scan-right logic (as described in my previously entry) needs to be consistent. I'm typing this in !Pluto which does select the whole of 123.789 no matter where I double click within it. This is how OPro should work (IMHO). Please could this be done? It would not matter which character is used for a dp, then :-) Cheers. *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 1 22:08:27 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96046 for opro ; Tue, 01 Jun 99 22:08:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928079127:20:08883:16; Sun, 30 May 99 15:45:27 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106670; 30 May 99 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA07207 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:35:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA07202 for ; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:35:21 +0100 Received: from (193.149.80.34) [193.149.80.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10o7dj-00012q-00; Sun, 30 May 1999 16:36:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Humphreys To: Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 15:37:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Selecting numbers Message-ID: <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> References: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk>, Ken wrote: > In article <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace>, > Nicholas Kaijaks wrote: [snip] > I'm typing this in !Pluto which does select the whole of > 123.789 no matter where I double click within it. This is how OPro should > work (IMHO). Please could this be done? > It would not matter which character is used for a dp, then :-) > Cheers. > *** Ken *** I find that using the latest version of the !THe applet this automatically places a central decimal point between numbers once you enter a space in the string of numbers. Double clicking then selects all of the numbers both before and after the decimal point. Cheers Tony. -- TONY HUMPHREYS MILTON KEYNES BUCKS tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk ================================================================= Use Risc OS - You know it makes sense -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 2 13:38:04 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96126 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jun 99 13:38:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928322432:20:24592:22; Wed, 02 Jun 99 11:20:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024403; 2 Jun 99 11:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA10264 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:00:33 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA10259 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 12:00:19 +0100 Received: from [194.222.19.11] (helo=barc.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10p8lH-000MXf-0K; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:00:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:46:58 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <96007@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > > As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > well pick up in the future. No that is good to hear..... Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 2 13:40:49 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96134 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jun 99 13:40:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928321274:10:07668:0; Wed, 02 Jun 99 11:01:14 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007565; 2 Jun 99 11:01 GMT Received: from [194.222.19.11] (helo=barc.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10p8lH-000MXf-0K; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:00:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 11:46:58 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <96007@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Sat 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > > As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > well pick up in the future. No that is good to hear..... Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 2 21:16:09 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96174 for opro ; Wed, 02 Jun 99 21:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928348806:20:03908:17; Wed, 02 Jun 99 18:40:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116756; 2 Jun 99 18:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10757 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:29:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA10752 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:29:12 +0100 Received: from (193.149.89.228) [193.149.89.228] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10pFlq-0002oq-00; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:29:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:18:17 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: Posty - Voyager Email 1.22b Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Wed 2 Jun 1999 (11:46:58 +0100), ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk wrote: >> As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may >> well pick up in the future. > >No that is good to hear..... ^^ I hope that the typo does not turn out to be too prophetic! Andy -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 01:46:29 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96205 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 01:46:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928359051:10:10442:26; Wed, 02 Jun 99 21:30:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010428; 2 Jun 99 21:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10943 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:04:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10938 for ; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:03:50 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10pIBT-000HTy-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:04:23 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Jun 99 21:33:56 GMT Message-Id: <96194@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may >> well pick up in the future. I didn't want it to sound like I was running down various peoples efforts. Those working on new machines and the folk at RISC OS Ltd are no doubt working very hard at the moment. However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM chips appear. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From john@cartmell.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 3 01:46:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96207 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 01:46:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928361040:10:04988:0; Wed, 02 Jun 99 22:04:00 GMT Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.20]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125064; 2 Jun 99 22:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.204.98] (helo=cartmell.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10pJ77-0009Sk-0K for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:03:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Cartmell To: David Pilling Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:03:29 +0100 Subject: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Message-ID: <490c0fe520john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11j (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain On 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >> As with the wider RISC OS world, this is a quiet time, but things may > >> well pick up in the future. > I didn't want it to sound like I was running down various peoples > efforts. Those working on new machines and the folk at RISC OS Ltd > are no doubt working very hard at the moment. > However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival > until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will > become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM > chips appear. You're* very welcome to the MAUG meeting in South Manchester on 25th June (see comp.sys.acorn.hardware-RiscStation). It's not necessarily the most powerful machines but the ones that have enough power at the right price and RiscStation are already talking about additions to their original spec. We've had enough of the spiralling down - it's about time we reversed that trend! *Personal invitation to David - but as MAUG don't charge an entrance or membership fee others on the list are welcome. -- This sig. is still in the future tense John Cartmell - Manchester, UK using a RiscStation R7500 with RISC OS 4 - the best way to understand technology From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 19:31:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96252 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 19:31:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928424238:10:18209:235; Thu, 03 Jun 99 15:37:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016726; 3 Jun 99 15:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11793 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:58:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11788 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:57:55 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10pYx6-0006UC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 14:58:41 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 15:32:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96194@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival > until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will > become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > chips appear. So we are heading for 64 bits right away ;-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 3 22:50:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96257 for opro ; Thu, 03 Jun 99 22:50:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928438417:10:28098:16; Thu, 03 Jun 99 19:33:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114419; 3 Jun 99 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12257 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:07:56 +0100 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA12252 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:07:41 +0100 Received: from modem-17.effexor.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.64.17] helo=orchard-way) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10pcqq-0007DQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 20:08:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:09:20 +0100 From: Alan Adams To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Where has Ovation Pro list gone? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In on Wed 02 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > However my own theory is that there won't be signs of a real revival > > until about 12 months from now, when much more powerful machines will > > become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > chips appear. > > So we are heading for 64 bits right away ;-) > > Ernst Surely the Acorn tradition is to leapfrog the opposition - it should be 128 bits next. -- Alan Adams email: Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 4 21:00:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96301 for opro ; Fri, 04 Jun 99 21:00:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928523219:20:20642:17; Fri, 04 Jun 99 19:06:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2020574; 4 Jun 99 19:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01083 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:31:37 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01078 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:31:22 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10pyuS-0006af-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 18:41:42 +0000 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1999 10:25:01 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 16 May, Brian O'Carroll wrote: > Is there a way of defining a style based on the styles and effects that > are operative at the current cursor position? Now there would be a nice addition, David/applet developers. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 4 23:12:30 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96325 for opro ; Fri, 04 Jun 99 23:12:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928531927:20:05055:18; Fri, 04 Jun 99 21:32:07 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106620; 4 Jun 99 21:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA01264 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:17:31 +0100 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA01259 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:17:20 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10q1V6-000Iv4-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Jun 1999 21:27:40 +0000 Date: Fri, 04 Jun 99 22:21:49 GMT Message-Id: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles from cursor Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >> Is there a way of defining a style based on the styles and effects that >> are operative at the current cursor position? >Now there would be a nice addition, David/applet developers. OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this was a nice idea. >>> become possible - i.e. once ROSL remove 32 bit dependencies and new ARM >> So we are heading for 64 bits right away ;-) >Surely the Acorn tradition is to leapfrog the opposition - it should be 128 >bits next. OK, OK, 26 bit dependencies. Its not easy to think that post stone age (1985) anyone could have made a 26 bit machine... Isn't something like the new Sony game machine 128bits? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 5 13:27:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96334 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:27:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928571050:10:25164:15; Sat, 05 Jun 99 08:24:10 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025116; 5 Jun 99 8:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA01803 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:51:14 +0100 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA01798 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 07:51:00 +0100 Received: from [195.99.53.72] (helo=darprint.btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 10qBLk-0004XT-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:01:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Styles from cursor Message-ID: <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >> Is there a way of defining a style based on the styles and effects > >> that are operative at the current cursor position? > >Now there would be a nice addition, David/applet developers. > OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this > was a nice idea. Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? If so, then this is the best news I've had for many months and I think I've fallen in love with you David :-) Next question, of course, is have you any idea when this might be, Sweetie! Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 5 13:27:34 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96340 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:27:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928574610:20:01451:15; Sat, 05 Jun 99 09:23:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001235; 5 Jun 99 9:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA01936 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:47:19 +0100 Received: from scrabble.freeuk.net (scrabble.freeuk.net [212.126.144.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA01931 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:47:04 +0100 Received: from [212.126.147.213] (helo=dawson) by scrabble.freeuk.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 10qCGg-0002zE-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 08:57:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 09:38:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Styles from cursor Message-ID: <490d51b0c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com> References: <96316@pilling.demon.co.uk> <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com>, Roger Mayne wrote: > > OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this > > was a nice idea. > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? If so, then this is > the best news I've had for many months and I think I've fallen in love > with you David :-) Next question, of course, is have you any idea when > this might be, Sweetie! Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. I object strongly to rats leaving the ship and dirtying the decks before they go - making it difficult for those that don't jump ship. BTW did you know that Beebug are NOT answering emails asking for support on their products? Someone has been trying to get tech help on Sleuth 3 all week without any success. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jun 5 15:03:48 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96358 for opro ; Sat, 05 Jun 99 15:03:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928588789:20:19380:19; Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:19:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122856; 5 Jun 99 13:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA02218 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:02:56 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA02213 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:02:42 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qGG7-000Ir0-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 13:13:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 05 Jun 99 13:57:32 GMT Message-Id: <96352@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles from cursor X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? Yes (all being well). >Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management >and buy 1.52 first No definitely not. >BTW did you know that Beebug are NOT answering emails asking for support >on their products? Someone has been trying to get tech help on Sleuth 3 >all week without any success. I think sheridan@beebug.co.uk (which is where you should be addressing support requests) might be off this week. It's a cheat and not really fair to Graham Jones, but if you're desperate you can visit the Sleuth authors web site www.visiv.co.uk (because we have publishers to protect us from users...) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:41:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96382 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:41:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928614982:20:14752:15; Sat, 05 Jun 99 20:36:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014493; 5 Jun 99 20:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA02641 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:16:27 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA02636 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:16:11 +0100 Received: from [193.237.223.106] (helo=bigbo.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10qN1g-0003Nx-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:26:44 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:26:30 +0100 (BST) From: John Bodiam Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96352@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? > > Yes (all being well). > > > >Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management > >and buy 1.52 first > > No definitely not. > This is wonderful news - just want to re-affirm my willingness to pay for significant upgrades John Bodiam -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:42:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96384 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928648552:20:22882:15; Sun, 06 Jun 99 05:55:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022848; 6 Jun 99 5:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA03145 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 05:40:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA03140 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 05:39:50 +0100 Received: from (193.149.69.33) [193.149.69.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10qVpE-0002Sl-00; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 06:50:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: colinwoolf To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:10:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Digest V1 #167 Message-ID: <490d968194colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <199906051917.UAA02650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> References: <199906051917.UAA02650@omega.barnet.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Jun, Ovation Pro Digest wrote: > This is wonderful news - just want to re-affirm my willingness to pay > for significant upgrades Hear Hear Cheers Colin Woolf -- Colin Woolf / ..Fine Art Paintings & Graphic Design _Watercolour Artist________/ colinwoolf@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:42:45 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96397 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928741670:20:19937:16; Mon, 07 Jun 99 07:47:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019758; 7 Jun 99 7:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA04545 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:40:34 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA04540 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 08:40:21 +0100 Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=Dell_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qu17-000Ms6-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 07:40:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 18:12:37 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Styles from cursor References: <490d51b0c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Alan Muscat writes >On Sat 05 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: >> >> Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management >> and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. > >I'm not sure your appraoch to Beebug will help the cause at all. >It's obviously a difficult time for all dealers and developers >and encouragement is surely what is needed. > > Which cause would that be then, Alan? That of saving this platform, perchance? Or that of rewarding poor service? It seems to me that the description 'grubby' is all too appropriate to Beebug in that sense. They were amongst the first rats to leave the ship IIRC, and IME their practices were a little grubby long before that. They were never the best of Acorn dealers, and they are hardly doing much of a job marketing OPro now, are they? David's the developer, and he's the one who deserves our praise and encouragement. But, no, Ray's statement won't exactly *help* the cause. But then neither will your sig, which has long ago ceased to be amusing. I doubt very much whether either will actually *harm* the cause. OK, so maybe we're both suffering sense of humour failure. Ray obviously had his tongue in cheek, although maybe he was a bit too close to the truth for comfort. I suggest you loosen up, and don't take his words too seriously in this case. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk | Mailto:avanderhoff@iee.org Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:43:35 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96413 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:43:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928684882:10:07069:15; Sun, 06 Jun 99 16:01:22 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103968; 6 Jun 99 16:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA03548 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:45:01 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA03543 for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:44:47 +0100 Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10qfGg-000OVN-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 15:55:27 +0000 Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:09:18 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: Ovation In-Reply-To: <490d51b0c1rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 05 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <490d4e53ccdarprint@btinternet.com>, > Roger Mayne wrote: > > > > OK, I promise to add it to the next version. I've long thought this > > > was a nice idea. > > > Does this mean there IS going to be a next version? If so, then this is > > the best news I've had for many months and I think I've fallen in love > > with you David :-) Next question, of course, is have you any idea when > > this might be, Sweetie! > > Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management > and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. I'm not sure your appraoch to Beebug will help the cause at all. It's obviously a difficult time for all dealers and developers and encouragement is surely what is needed. -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:44:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96432 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:44:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928747823:10:09369:28; Mon, 07 Jun 99 09:30:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114647; 7 Jun 99 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA04723 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:18:54 +0100 Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA04718 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:18:42 +0100 Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10qvYM-00044L-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 09:18:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 10:08:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 06 Jun, Tony van der Hoff wrote: (snip) Reading between the lines of David's messages I think it is wiser to discuss some matters in a later stage, maybe in 2000. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jun 7 21:44:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96435 for opro ; Mon, 07 Jun 99 21:44:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928751071:10:13520:81; Mon, 07 Jun 99 10:24:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123653; 7 Jun 99 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA04854 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:27 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA04849 for ; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:14 +0100 Received: from (62.188.132.214) [62.188.132.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10qwDU-0006yx-00; Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:01:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 11:00:09 +0100 Subject: Tab rulers Message-ID: <490e60da20jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk> References: <48a6f76965steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> <48a70c9619marteng@intonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Is there any way of discovering/displaying where tab rulers have been inserted in a document? ISTR that in the good old Atari days tab rulers were permanently displayed in a document in Calligrapher (which, on the whole, was more useful than a nuisance). Also, moving tabs was 'live'. It was not necessary to click OK to see the effect. Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 14:03:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96517 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928846685:20:16337:16; Tue, 08 Jun 99 12:58:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103795; 8 Jun 99 12:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA06234 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:39:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA06229 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:39:06 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.36) [193.149.77.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rLA3-0000im-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:39:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Jun 99 13:34:50 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea what? I am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth paying Beebug for the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the ends of paragraphs not doing what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles shows that the first time I press at the end of a paragraph I get a newline symbol, then, if I press again directly, the second time I get a new paragraph symbol; I am sure it used not to do this but produced new paragraph every time. This plays havoc with my paragraph spacing in my carefully designed styles, but it also happens in the default document where the body text style is substantially unchanged from that which is supplied. produces newline as would be expected. The only mishap I can think of which may have caused this is that my son probably did an accidental a couple of weeks ago, and I have had to do a reconfigure. Has this mucked up some setting in CMOS RAM which affects the way works? If so, I can't find any documentation. TIA for any advice on how to remedy this, or will I just have to redefine all my styles? Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 14:59:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96538 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:59:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928848100:20:11379:15; Tue, 08 Jun 99 13:21:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129144; 8 Jun 99 13:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06299 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:03:45 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06294 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:03:33 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rLXa-0000ty-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 13:03:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 03:26:10 GMT Message-Id: <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Is there any way of discovering/displaying where tab rulers have been >inserted in a document? Well there is always a tab ruler i.e. at all points in a text story. What you might ask is if there's a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes. >ISTR that in the good old Atari days tab rulers were permanently displayed in >a document in Calligrapher (which, on the whole, was more useful than a >nuisance). Also, moving tabs was 'live'. It was not necessary to click OK to >see the effect. I suppose the first is ruled out because it would upset the WYSIWYG appearance of the document. Another oft suggested alternative is having the ruler permanantly on display at the top of the window (like Impression). That idea was dropped because of things like rotated frames, although I never got around to a rotated tab ruler. Finally yes, real time update of the effect of moving tabs would be a good idea. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 14:59:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96539 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928850259:20:18525:18; Tue, 08 Jun 99 13:57:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119505; 8 Jun 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06326 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA06321 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:38:44 +0100 Received: from (ARM_NoName) [193.149.80.105] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rM5l-00022r-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:39:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:37:48 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <429df8e49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490ef5526bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <490ef5526bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> you wrote: > You haven't added any new applets recently? For example, I found a very > similar thing was happening after I added the Levens List applet. It seems > to intercept and replace it with . One has to hit > a second time to get a normal paragraph end. > > Chris > Yes, my apologies to you all. I have also found some other areas of improvement, although sub-sections are finished and the roman numeral conversion is mostly done. Dates also cause a problem in the current development version. I (obviously) need to alter some of the code in this applet to correct it, but it is going to become part of the HTMLinks applet, allowing lists to be also used in HTML. The HTMLinks applet is also free (don't bother getting it yet, it is only usable for HTMLPro), but development has ceased on the list applet, due to the crossover. Normal Business will resume soon ;-) Benji Levens -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:40:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96547 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:40:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928847880:10:26450:82; Tue, 08 Jun 99 13:18:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026809; 8 Jun 99 13:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA06281 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:01:45 +0100 Received: from mail1.hw.ac.uk (mail1.hw.ac.uk [137.195.170.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA06276 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:01:32 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.32.15]) by mail1.hw.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rLVm-0007er-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:01:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:01:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <490ef5526bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea > what? I am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth > paying Beebug for the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the ends > of paragraphs not doing what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles > shows that the first time I press at the end of a paragraph I > get a newline symbol, then, if I press again directly, the > second time I get a new paragraph symbol; I am sure it used not to do > this but produced new paragraph every time. This plays havoc with my > paragraph spacing in my carefully designed styles, but it also happens > in the default document where the body text style is substantially > unchanged from that which is supplied. produces newline > as would be expected. You haven't added any new applets recently? For example, I found a very similar thing was happening after I added the Levens List applet. It seems to intercept and replace it with . One has to hit a second time to get a normal paragraph end. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:48:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96558 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928853206:10:04007:140; Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:46:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108544; 8 Jun 99 14:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA06347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:05:23 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA06342 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:05:11 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rMUu-0002Pb-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 14:05:00 +0000 Date: Tue, 08 Jun 99 14:36:04 GMT Message-Id: <96536@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >(BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth paying Beebug for the upgrade?). Yes, No. >what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles shows that the first time I >press at the end of a paragraph I get a newline symbol, then, if I >press again directly, the second time I get a new paragraph symbol; Well that is abnormal behaviour. Its sort of mixing up Return and Shift Return. One possibility is something messing up the keyboard. Everything from a dodgy SHIFT key, to modules from other programs that are doing things. Another possibility might be a rogue applet. As I often say, if you start to wonder about keypresses, get to the new key macro window, because that will reflect what key OPro thinks you're pressing. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:48:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96560 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:48:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928855595:10:05482:97; Tue, 08 Jun 99 15:26:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002885; 8 Jun 99 15:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA06393 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:01:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA06388 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:00:50 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.191) [62.188.146.191] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rNND-0003ka-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 16:01:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 14:58:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab rulers Message-ID: <490efa8908jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <96506@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Is there any way of discovering/displaying where tab rulers have been > >inserted in a document? > Well there is always a tab ruler i.e. at all points in a text story. Of course! > What you might ask is if there's a way of finding out where the > tab ruler changes. That's what I meant by 'inserted' :-) O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) > Finally yes, real time update of the effect of moving tabs would be a good > idea. Yes, please! Thanks, Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 18:48:41 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96563 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:48:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928859528:10:21389:346; Tue, 08 Jun 99 16:32:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104698; 8 Jun 99 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06456 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:01:25 +0100 Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA06451 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:01:14 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:01:28 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02962 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:00:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:00:04 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 08 Jun, Dr P.N.Young wrote: > I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea what? I > am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth paying Beebug for > the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the ends of paragraphs not doing > what I expect them to do. Turning on invisibles shows that the first time I > press at the end of a paragraph I get a newline symbol, then, if I > press again directly, the second time I get a new paragraph symbol; > ..... I had this problem and traced it to one of two Applets. Unfortunately, I did not keep a note and can't remember which. I just remember that I tried it out about three weeks ago. I did write to the author but had had no response. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jun 8 19:36:10 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96585 for opro ; Tue, 08 Jun 99 19:36:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928864824:10:27825:47; Tue, 08 Jun 99 18:00:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1102829; 8 Jun 99 18:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA06539 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:44:04 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA06534 for ; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:43:48 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.234) [193.149.77.234] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rPuy-0006r0-00; Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:44:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr P.N.Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 8 Jun 99 18:40:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 8 Jun 99 (14:01:50 +0100), c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk wrote: >In article , > Dr P.N.Young wrote: >> I wonder if I have done something stupid; if so, has anybody any idea >> what? I am using 2.51 (BTW, anyone any thoughts no whether it's worth >> paying Beebug for the upgrade?). I suddenly have problems with the >ends >> of paragraphs not doing what I expect them to do. Turning on >invisibles >> shows that the first time I press at the end of a paragraph >I >> get a newline symbol, then, if I press again directly, the >> second time I get a new paragraph symbol; I am sure it used not to do >> this but produced new paragraph every time. This plays havoc with my >> paragraph spacing in my carefully designed styles, but it also >happens >> in the default document where the body text style is substantially >> unchanged from that which is supplied. produces >newline >> as would be expected. > >You haven't added any new applets recently? For example, I found a very >similar thing was happening after I added the Levens List applet. It >seems to intercept and replace it with . One has >to hit a second time to get a normal paragraph end. > >Chris Thanks, Chris, and also to you all for replying. This is just what has happened, so I will suspend the List applet till it's sorted out. It also has a slightly irritating habit that if you start a paragraph with something like a date in the format 8 June the next paragraph starts automatically with the figure (date+1). Is this sortable? Best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. Anne \ / __ __ \ England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://www.argonet.uk/users/pnyoung James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:45:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96625 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928904780:20:00025:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 05:06:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106791; 9 Jun 99 5:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA07218 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id FAA07213 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:12 +0100 Received: from (62.188.146.6) [62.188.146.6] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10raRh-00015M-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:58:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 05:57:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Tab rulers Message-ID: <490f4cd283jmgray@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I > >hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) > Yes, No. > Unlike some programs you could have half a dozen tab rulers in one line > (only the first would apply), so plastering a tab ruler over the document > would not be possible. Well then, what about a symbol in Invisibles which indicates where a tab ruler has been inserted. Now, that would be really useful! Jeremy -- J.M. Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:45:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96631 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:45:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928917392:20:28405:16; Wed, 09 Jun 99 08:36:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108052; 9 Jun 99 8:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07405 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:13:33 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA07400 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:13:20 +0100 Received: from (ARM_NoName) [62.188.134.224] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rdUa-0002vg-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:13:49 +0100 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 09:13:30 +0100 From: Levens Software:Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Paragraph ends misbehaving. Message-ID: <72c25ef49%ovationpro@levens.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Marketing and Design, Safety Products X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Thanks, Chris, and also to you all for replying. This is just what has > happened, so I will suspend the List applet till it's sorted out. It > also has a slightly irritating habit that if you start a paragraph with > something like a date in the format 8 June the next paragraph starts > automatically with the figure (date+1). Is this sortable? > Yes, this is a problem that I am aware of. It will be fixed by (latest) end of the week, along with the Paragraph/Return problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. Benji Levens -- _ software@levens.co.uk ____ __ _ | | _____ _____ _ __ ___ / ___| ___ / _| |___ ____ _ _ __ ___ | | / _ \ \ / / _ \ '_ \/ __|\___ \ / _ \| |_| __\ \ /\ / / _` | '__/ _ \ | |__| __/\ V / __/ | | \__ \ ___) | (_) | _| |_ \ V V / (_| | | | __/ |_____\___| \_/ \___|_| |_|___/|____/ \___/|_| \__| \_/\_/ \__,_|_| \___| t: 0500 121 242 f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:46:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96630 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:45:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928896500:10:15500:16; Wed, 09 Jun 99 02:48:20 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126999; 9 Jun 99 2:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA07078 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:35:55 +0100 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA07073 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 03:35:42 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10rYDl-000NUV-0A for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 02:36:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 01:44:07 GMT Message-Id: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I >hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) Yes, No. Its an interesting point, with some things like 'bold' it is obvious where the style changes, with others it isn't and it might be handy to know. If you're disciplined and do everything using defined styles, then its possible to give them all a different colour and see. Perhaps doing that automatically could be a new feature. Unlike some programs you could have half a dozen tab rulers in one line (only the first would apply), so plastering a tab ruler over the document would not be possible. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 13:48:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96640 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 13:47:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928918978:10:24388:31; Wed, 09 Jun 99 09:02:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024040; 9 Jun 99 9:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA07531 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:50:35 +0100 Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA07526 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:50:23 +0100 Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:48:39 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA26226 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:47:50 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:47:49 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Tab rulers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96613@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: "Marcel-1.46-0609084749-0b0M&ui" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 09 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > >O.K. then. Is there a way of finding out where the tab ruler changes? (I > >hope you are not going to tell me that the answer is 'No!'!) > > Its an interesting point, with some things like 'bold' it is obvious where > the style changes, ..... Even Bold is not that simple - the space on either side can be an unknown if the selection for imposing a format/style has been made other than by clicking. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 15:52:47 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96672 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 15:52:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928937535:20:08507:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 14:12:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129878; 9 Jun 99 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08460 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:46:38 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08455 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 14:46:23 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10rigu-000OuV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:46:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 14:33:34 GMT Message-Id: <96666@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tab rulers X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Well then, what about a symbol in Invisibles which indicates where a tab >ruler has been inserted. Now, that would be really useful! How about an invisible for style change codes in general, then we could have a window that showed all the style settings at any point in the text. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 18:32:51 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96682 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:32:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928945094:10:04527:99; Wed, 09 Jun 99 16:18:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118707; 9 Jun 99 16:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA08655 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:58:39 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA08650 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:58:28 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.132.65] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rkkm-0002j4-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:59:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 16:58:26 +0100 Subject: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort printing. It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - losing unsaved work. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 18:41:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96687 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:41:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928949614:10:17965:432; Wed, 09 Jun 99 17:33:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014757; 9 Jun 99 17:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA08793 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:59:07 +0100 Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA08788 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:58:55 +0100 Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00752 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 17:59:28 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <375E9F51.117C688F@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 18:07:29 +0100 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Escaping from printing References: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have found it difficult to abort printing, for any application. (A3010, 4megs ram, 320 meg HD, HP500C printer). Also sometimes the printer will keep advancing 1/2 way down the paper page before starting to print. Even a complete power down does not always fix this. It keeps doing it then suddenly returns to normal for no apparent reason. I wonder if upgrading to a risc PC & OS4 will fix both problems. Ray Dawson wrote: > > One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort > printing. > > It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but > OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - > losing unsaved work. > > Cheers, > > Ray D > > -- > > .===================================. > | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 > | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk > '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2730/2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 19:24:32 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96699 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 19:24:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928950135:10:27561:60; Wed, 09 Jun 99 17:42:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011487; 9 Jun 99 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA08818 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:02:24 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA08813 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:02:12 +0100 Received: from (193.149.76.26) [193.149.76.26] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rlkS-0003lv-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:02:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ken To: Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 21:33:24 +0100 Subject: Re: Selecting numbers Message-ID: <490e9ad3c4ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk> References: <001101bea626$f1908160$ab356d01@wallace> <490973ebf8ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk> <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.c User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.6) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490a5b82f0tony.humphreys@argonet.co.uk>, Tony Humphreys wrote: > [snip] > I find that using the latest version of the !THe applet this > automatically places a central decimal point between numbers once you > enter a space in the string of numbers. Double clicking then selects all > of the numbers both before and after the decimal point. I also have the !THe applet, but have never seen this happen. Until, that is, your note prompted me to investigate further. Sure enough the !Help file says that this IS an option; an option ("Decimal points") which seems to work perfectly when I /activate it/ from the menu!!! Ho hum ..... :-) Option now permanently set. Many thanks for the info. Now what was that acronym again? Ah yes: RTFM! Cheers, *** Ken *** -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / "40 is not old. Embarrassing, but not old!" | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | / ken.mcnaught@argonet.co.uk in W. Yorkshire ___________________________/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ken.mcnaught/ WEB: Read about my great grand father: "The (other) man in the Iron Mask!" and link to the "Knottingley Concert Brass" band site. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 20:44:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96700 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 20:44:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928953303:20:26047:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:35:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106026; 9 Jun 99 18:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09047 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:22:01 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA09042 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:21:48 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10rmzV-0008XG-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:22:21 +0000 Date: Wed, 09 Jun 99 18:36:49 GMT Message-Id: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Escaping from printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort >printing. >It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but >OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - >losing unsaved work. Are you saying OPro is worse than other programs in this respect? I'd say the problem is that one hands over control to RISC OS, and it never comes back. It's also worth saying that hitting Escape is the way out of printing, because that stands a chance of telling RISC OS that you want to quit, the cancel button is not polled very often. Presumeably there's the usual thing of if you have OPro set up for background printing (which make the driver go via file) or not. Perhaps the second set up is more inclind to hang. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 20:44:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96702 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 20:44:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928956559:20:22929:17; Wed, 09 Jun 99 19:29:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107396; 9 Jun 99 19:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09168 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:18:23 +0100 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.20.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA09163 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:18:10 +0100 Received: from marotzke.zfn.uni-bremen.de (moritz79.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.6.119]) by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (8.9.1a/ZfNServer) with SMTP id VAA16246 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:16:40 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 21:07:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Friedrich Marotzke Subject: Re: Tab rulers To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <96666@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 09 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >Well then, what about a symbol in Invisibles which indicates where a tab > >ruler has been inserted. Now, that would be really useful! > > How about an invisible for style change codes in general, then we could have > a window that showed all the style settings at any point in the text. > Great idea! Friedrich -- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 23:34:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96707 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 23:34:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928964005:10:20219:17; Wed, 09 Jun 99 21:33:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122779; 9 Jun 99 21:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09335 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:08:44 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09330 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:08:27 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.155) [193.149.74.155] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rpao-0002Dg-00; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 22:09:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 22:09:12 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490fa5c715lexicon1@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort > printing. > It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but > OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - > losing unsaved work. Did you try turning the printer off and on again while pressing escape? Sometimes it works. Martin Longley -- martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Jun 9 23:34:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96709 for opro ; Wed, 09 Jun 99 23:34:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928966975:10:28985:24; Wed, 09 Jun 99 22:22:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110825; 9 Jun 99 22:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09480 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:06:04 +0100 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA09475 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:05:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 19639 invoked from network); 9 Jun 1999 22:06:11 -0000 Received: from useran19.uk.uudial.com (HELO gtwyxa95@ukgateway.net) (62.188.135.36) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 1999 22:06:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 19:39:51 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to > >abort printing. It just happened that my printer was out of ink and > >wouldn't respond, but OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had > >to Ctr-Break out of it - losing unsaved work. > Are you saying OPro is worse than other programs in this respect? Yes. I'll try it now. 1. Turn printer off. 2. Open Publisher window and click on Print. 3. Printer window and hourglass running. 4. Hit escape and Publisher immediately releases. Same test for Ovation Pro 3. Printer window and hourglass running. 4. Hit escape and Ovation Pro ignores it and hourglass still running. 5. Turn printer back on and OP then escapes printing. > I'd say the problem is that one hands over control to RISC OS, and it > never comes back. > It's also worth saying that hitting Escape is the way out of printing, > because that stands a chance of telling RISC OS that you want to quit, > the cancel button is not polled very often. Repeatedly hitting Escape above didn't get OP to release, but it was immediate with Publisher. > Presumeably there's the usual thing of if you have OPro set up for > background printing (which make the driver go via file) or not. Perhaps > the second set up is more inclind to hang. How do I do that the? The Background printing option in !Printers isn't ticked. Is there another one in Ovation Pro itself? Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 01:44:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96715 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 01:44:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928970508:10:10528:15; Wed, 09 Jun 99 23:21:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1100967; 9 Jun 99 23:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA09625 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:06:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09620 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:06:30 +0100 Received: from (193.149.77.134) [193.149.77.134] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10rrR4-0004UW-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:07:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Martin Longley To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 00:07:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490fb0a4c3lexicon1@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <96685@pilling.demon.co.uk> <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490f981a86rayd@argonet.co.uk>, Ray Dawson wrote: > > Presumeably there's the usual thing of if you have OPro set up for > > background printing (which make the driver go via file) or not. Perhaps > > the second set up is more inclind to hang. > How do I do that the? The Background printing option in !Printers isn't > ticked. Is there another one in Ovation Pro itself? AFAIK you have to tick the background printing option in !Printers and load !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into a text editor. I think the important line is the 'printchoices' Mine is: printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); I think it's the '1' that sets background printing but no doubt David will tell me if I'm wrong. Martin Longley -- martin@lexiconlifeline.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 13:45:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96729 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 13:45:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 928983815:10:07878:16; Thu, 10 Jun 99 03:03:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007538; 10 Jun 99 3:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA10010 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:41:46 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA10005 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 03:41:30 +0100 Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10runA-000Jtn-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:42:08 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 02:13:15 GMT Message-Id: <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Escaping from printing X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > 1. Turn printer off. > 2. Open Publisher window and click on Print. > 3. Printer window and hourglass running. > 4. Hit escape and Publisher immediately releases. I found (and this is odd) a double press of escape was needed. The first just cancels the hour glass. They're doing something odd, but at the moment I can't think what... (clearing the printer buffer on escape events perhaps, guessing now but there used to be some sort of OS option to do such things). > 3. Printer window and hourglass running. > 4. Hit escape and Ovation Pro ignores it and hourglass still running. This is the same as Draw, so its not wildly RISC OS non-compliant. >AFAIK you have to tick the background printing option in !Printers and >load !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into a text editor. >I think the important line is the 'printchoices' >Mine is: printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); Yes all this is dead right, its been covered here many times before. And I reckon (it seems) to get around the escape problem, but if you're using Acorn printer drivers it is probably a better way of setting things up anyway. Because you don't have to hang around waiting for things to print. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. fax: +44(0)870-0520-941 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 14:27:03 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96744 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 14:27:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929021075:20:04857:44; Thu, 10 Jun 99 13:24:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119269; 10 Jun 99 13:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA10518 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:23 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA10513 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:08 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.52) [193.149.74.52] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s4Tp-0005xa-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:02:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:06:48 +0100 Subject: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hum! I must have done something stupid at some time, but ATM I cannot seem to get TIFFS above about 15MB to render in OP without incurring a 'Message from TransTIFF' to the effect 'TIFFload error Failed to claim memory'. As I am certain that I was able to do this I can only think that my TransTIFF module has been 'updated' in some way. Help Modules indicates: TransTIFF 1.00 (27 Sep 1993), now that strikes me as being somewhat ancient. This module is loaded with OP. Have I screwed up somewhere with a recent upgrade? Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 18:26:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96745 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 18:26:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929026001:20:14964:91; Thu, 10 Jun 99 14:46:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015498; 10 Jun 99 14:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA10772 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:19 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA10766 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:03 +0100 Received: from (193.149.74.40) [193.149.74.40] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s5n4-0007TQ-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:26:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lionel Smith To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: Re: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> References: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith wrote: > Help Modules indicates: TransTIFF 1.00 (27 Sep 1993), > now that strikes me as being somewhat ancient. As this originates from my CCShared directory then I am no longer surprised about its antiquity. Unless a later version should be within the OP directory structure, and hence overwritten/deleted, I am otherwise at a loss. Lionel -- ___ ______ / / / ___/ 6 grandchildren | Sea Vixen for pugnacity / / ionel A.| \ mith 4 children, no dogs :-(| Hunter for elegance / /____ __\ | No wonder life is a breeze | Phantom for clout /_______/ /_____/ lionels@argonet.co.uk | IT Tech. Supp. | ZFC B+2 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 18:32:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96751 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 18:32:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929024310:10:15436:23; Thu, 10 Jun 99 14:18:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115645; 10 Jun 99 14:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA10643 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:57 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA10638 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:53:44 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.150.177] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s5Hm-0006uP-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 14:54:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:24:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490fe39eabrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <96721@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >AFAIK you have to tick the background printing option in !Printers and > >load !OvnPro.AutoRun.Choices into a text editor. > >I think the important line is the 'printchoices' > >Mine is: printchoices(1,8505,250,200000); > Yes all this is dead right, its been covered here many times before. > And I reckon (it seems) to get around the escape problem, but > if you're using Acorn printer drivers it is probably a better > way of setting things up anyway. Because you don't have to hang around > waiting for things to print. Yes, thanks for that - it does Escape properly now. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 19:22:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96766 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:21:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929036156:10:24529:235; Thu, 10 Jun 99 17:35:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025339; 10 Jun 99 17:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11129 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:19:09 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11122 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:18:55 +0100 Received: from (UKARG/ba67) [62.188.137.92] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s8UO-00037D-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:19:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 15:35:13 +0100 Subject: Re: TransTIFF problem Message-ID: <4910058aecrayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> References: <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk> <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11k (RISC-OS/3.7) POPstar/2.01b12 Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <49100380a1lionels@argonet.co.uk>, Lionel Smith wrote: > In article <490ffd72c0lionels@argonet.co.uk>, > Lionel Smith wrote: > > Help Modules indicates: TransTIFF 1.00 (27 Sep 1993), > > now that strikes me as being somewhat ancient. > As this originates from my CCShared directory then I am no longer > surprised about its antiquity. > Unless a later version should be within the OP directory structure, and > hence overwritten/deleted, I am otherwise at a loss. Try removing TransTIFF and letting TransFSI take over. TransFSI is in your Ovation Pro Filters directory, or perhaps as in my case you have put it into Boot:Resources. Cheers, Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 19:23:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96769 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:23:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929035955:10:24524:100; Thu, 10 Jun 99 17:32:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129322; 10 Jun 99 17:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11087 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:14:39 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11081 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:14:20 +0100 Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10s8Pu-000BiT-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:15:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:14:53 GMT Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:14:45 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Grammar check - Applet? Message-ID: <2f26141049%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20530.199905100945@lingmell.jb.man.ac.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hiya, I would very much approeciate a grammar-check as an applet for OvPro. Would this be possible? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn StrongArm Risc PC OS 3.7 neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 48Mb Visit:http://www.narrator.demon.co.uk/software -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 21:04:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96771 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929041258:10:23025:24; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:00:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104787; 10 Jun 99 19:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11398 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:51:19 +0100 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11393 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:51:01 +0100 Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s9vP-000IdB-0B for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 18:51:39 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:51:56 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Styles from cursor To: Ovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Sun 06 Jun, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Alan > Muscat writes > >On Sat 05 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > >> > >> Does this mean we have to line the grubby pockets of Beebug management > >> and buy 1.52 first, or will we be able to upgrade as before. > > > >I'm not sure your appraoch to Beebug will help the cause at all. > >It's obviously a difficult time for all dealers and developers > >and encouragement is surely what is needed. > > > > > Which cause would that be then, Alan? That of saving this platform, > perchance? The furtherance of OPro. >Or that of rewarding poor service? There is no excuse for poor service, and I've experienced my own poor service rom Beebug, but slating them helps no one. > > It seems to me that the description 'grubby' is all too appropriate to > Beebug in that sense. They were amongst the first rats to leave the ship > IIRC, and IME their practices were a little grubby long before that. I don't know about that, but if remaining on board ship means going down with the ship, then they have to think of their business. I'm sure the people behind Beebug have families to feed and clothe. Acorn didn't give a thought to Beebug, or any other dealer or developer when they ditched the platform, no dealer or developer is morally obliged to remain 'on board', IMHO; that they do is all credit to them, but if they don't, I will not berate them for leaving. > They were never the best of Acorn dealers, and they are hardly doing > much of a job marketing OPro now, are they? If you're not making much money (which Beebug can hardly be) then spending money on a product with no market is not wise. >David's the developer, and > he's the one who deserves our praise and encouragement. Sure, but Beebug, must have done their part in the days when things weren't so bad, such as writing of manuals, packaging, advertising, distribution, undoutedly paying David progress payments etc. (I'll stand corrected if any of this is untrue). You know it might actually be that OPro may not have happened if Beebug were not prepared to back the project; perhaps they even instigated it in the first place. > > But, no, Ray's statement won't exactly *help* the cause. But then > neither will your sig, My sig is plainly laughing at myself for sticking with this platform; it's hardly going to annoy dealers and possibly influence any remnant of commitment they might still have to the platform. > > OK, so maybe we're both suffering sense of humour failure. Ray obviously > had his tongue in cheek, I don't believe that for a minute. >although maybe he was a bit too close to the > truth for comfort. > > I suggest you loosen up, and don't take his words too seriously in this > case. I think my comment was reasonable and not particularly up-tight. However, your own response to my posting... -- Alan Muscat Grapevine Digital Arts email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 21:04:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96773 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929041359:10:24270:22; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:02:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024153; 10 Jun 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11430 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:53:33 +0100 Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11424 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:53:18 +0100 Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.201]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA6067 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:42:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37607B0D.F71@net.ntl.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:57:17 -0700 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Throwback from applets & convert protocols Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I'm playing about with a few applets and would like to trace/report on their execution - how do I implement the throwback protocol within an applet (or indeed Basic itself)? Also has the convertor protocol been published? I've had a look at !TransHTML but as it's compressed Basic, it's a bind to make any sense of it. I don't have any particular projects in mind, I just like to inspect the innards of things (no allusions to Hannibal Lecter please!) -- Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com >From the UK City of Architecture & Design 1999 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 21:04:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96774 for opro ; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929041411:20:14951:15; Thu, 10 Jun 99 19:03:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108214; 10 Jun 99 19:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11470 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:54:54 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA11455 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:54:38 +0100 Received: from (193.149.70.140) [193.149.70.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10s9z1-000575-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:55:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tony Jarvis To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 21:05:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Escaping from printing Message-ID: <490f9ff0d5tonyg6ttl@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> References: <490f89535brayd@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11h (RISC-OS/3.6) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 09 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > One very annoying thing with Ovation Pro is that it is difficult to abort > printing. > It just happened that my printer was out of ink and wouldn't respond, but > OP wouldn't release its print routine and I had to Ctr-Break out of it - > losing unsaved work. Can't say that this is a problem as far as I'm concerned. Hitting the key usually works, but I must say that I haven't tried it on a printer that had run out of ink. Regards, Tony. -- **** **** ***** ***** * is RSGB VHF / UHF Awards Manager. * * * * * active on 50, 144, 423 & 1296MHz. * ** **** * * * County Controller, Kent County Raynet. * * * * * * * an Intel-free Zone. **** **** * * ***** http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/tonyg6ttl/index.htm -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jun 11 01:27:38 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA96781 for opro ; Fri, 11 Jun 99 01:27:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 929048646:10:12608:15; Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:04:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012575; 10 Jun 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA11828 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:54:36 +0100 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA11816 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 21:54:07 +0100 Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 10sBqf-0005AV-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 20:54:53 +0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 99 21:08:33 GMT Message-Id: <96777@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Styles from cursor X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Acorn didn't give a thought to Beebug, or any other dealer or developer >when they ditched the platform, no dealer or developer is morally obliged to >remain 'on board' Yes I think Acorn changed the game in September. But up to that time you'd seen companies like CC and Watford take substantial amounts out of the Acorn market and spend it elsewhere. But business is business, does Bill Gates sit around thinking he'd be better spending the money on sorting out Windows, (which it desperately needs) rather than handing it over to the shareholders? I suspect if you get into the "is this honourable/loyalty to the customers" type of argument you're just not a good businessman. >Sure, but Beebug, must have done their part in the days when things >weren't so bad, such as writing of manuals, packaging, advertising, >distribution Yes they did. >undoutedly paying David progress payments etc. No they did not. >You know it might actually be that OPro may not have happened if Beebug >were not prepared to back the project; perhaps they even instigated it in >the first place. Yes, OPro would not have happened without Beebug talking me into it. In fact in the Autumn of 1992 I had started on a suite of internet software. I may be kidding myself, but I think a lot of things would have been different if I'd continued with it. Beebug saw no future in internet software at