From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:42:46 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90247 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:42:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920155288:20:21619:19; Sat, 27 Feb 99 22:41:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021533; 27 Feb 99 22:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21512 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:21:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA21507 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:21:32 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Gs8C-0001sf-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:22:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:18:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 307 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, 44 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Everything to do with tiling, is in the file > > !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile > > > I spied this bit; > > int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm > > Wish I could remember what it does... > > In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script > to give you the feature. Sounds promising. However, it's not in the version that I have; there's nothing to do with margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' that I have says it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:42:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90250 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920195916:20:24603:15; Sun, 28 Feb 99 09:58:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126962; 28 Feb 99 9:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA22042 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:27:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA22037 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:27:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.60.112] (helo=narrator.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H2WL-0004L8-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:28:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:28:10 GMT Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 09:27:40 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: FRONT AND BACK Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Is there a way of moving a frame to the front and back without having to use the menu, e.g. with a key press or macro? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 48Mb -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From pete@beard.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 1 18:42:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90251 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:42:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920154169:10:08872:0; Sat, 27 Feb 99 22:22:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008855; 27 Feb 99 22:22 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Gs8C-0001sf-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:22:46 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:18:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <90211@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 307 days, 1 hour, 41 minutes, 44 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > Everything to do with tiling, is in the file > > !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile > > > I spied this bit; > > int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm > > Wish I could remember what it does... > > In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script > to give you the feature. Sounds promising. However, it's not in the version that I have; there's nothing to do with margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' that I have says it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 A stitch in time would have confused Einstein. From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:43:24 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90262 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:43:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920155672:10:26588:16; Sat, 27 Feb 99 22:47:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117046; 27 Feb 99 22:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA21538 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:25:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21533 for ; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:25:36 GMT Received: from (194.69.99.41) [194.69.99.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10GsC9-0005gA-00; Sat, 27 Feb 1999 22:26:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Colin Wood To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 27 Feb 1999 14:48:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11c (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I read this thread in Sep/Oct 98, but didn't get anything to help me. I use Gill Sans light as my default font (either from EFF or Monotype from Adrian Look - can't remember which). This has 16 faces. When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) I then click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill Sans Light). I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! Publisher does it - as I see it - correctly. Or is there some advantage in OP method that I haven't realised? Any way of sorting it? Using FontDir Pro - is this relevant? -- ___________________________________ __ / / _ |. _ \ /_ _ _| / Acorn SA RiscPC with Dynalink 56k \__(_)||| ) \/\/(_)(_)(_| / __________________________/ colin.wood@argnet.co.uk antispam - replace argnet with argonet -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:43:51 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90271 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:43:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920250581:20:18663:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 01:09:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104802; 1 Mar 99 1:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23806 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:36:21 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23798 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HGgd-0006Ki-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:55 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:34:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling output To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 305 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, 17 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 28 Feb, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > I have on several occasions had to produce an eight page, A3 > publication. To print it out I did not use tiling at all but chose to > set the printing X and Y offsets in the printing dialogue box so that > the top or bottom of the page was printed landscape just where I wanted > it. Now why didn't I think of that? It does what I want. Although it's more fiddly than using Nick's fixed version of the 'tile' file I can see it gives me more control and could be damned useful in some circumstances. Thanks. -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education. Albert Einstein -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:43:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90273 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:43:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920253618:20:27301:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 02:00:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027121; 1 Mar 99 1:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id BAA24011 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:43:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id BAA24004 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:43:07 GMT Received: from (e2s7p8) [193.149.72.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HHjf-0005Jj-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:43:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001801be6385$665e2a40$b54895c1@e2s7p8> From: "Gerald F Wilson" To: Subject: Re: Tiling Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 01:44:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -----Original Message----- From: Peter Gaunt To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 01 March 1999 01:01 Subject: Re: Tiling >In on Sun 28 Feb, Nick Kaijaks wrote: >> >In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling >> wrote: > >> I found that the Tile script was broken anyway, failing to account for >> print marks when working out the scaling. There's a bugfix version on my >> website (on my IT page). To set the overlap you have to handedit the >> 'Tile' file which has a line similar to that David quotes above (on my >> system it's set to 4252 millipoints = 1.5mm). My version is a minor >> amendment of v1.01 which is the current distribution version AFAIK. I've >> taken the liberty of calling it 1.02 ;-) > >Thanks Nick. That does exactly what I wanted (and a bit more, such as fixing >the printer marks bug which I hadn't realised existed). > >-- >Pete >==== +44 (0)411 501 757 >It works better if you plug it in. > > >-- >To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk >with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:01 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90277 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920284377:20:23121:18; Mon, 01 Mar 99 10:32:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023019; 1 Mar 99 10:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA24333 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:29:41 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA24324 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:29:24 GMT Received: from [195.102.200.197] (helo=catchline.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10HOyY-0003z6-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:26:59 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 08:44:43 +0000 From: David Graddol To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <366e2db48%Support@english.powernet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48dafb9dadcolin.wood@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Colin Wood wrote: > When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP > window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) > I then click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill > Sans Light). > > I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I > button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! > > Any way of sorting it? > > Using FontDir Pro - is this relevant? > If there is a fix for this painful behaviour, then it has escaped me as well! My current tactic is to set up a style, say, 'Body Italic' which specifies Selection - Gill Sans Italic, but leaves everything else, including point size, as 'don't care'. I then attach a key stroke, such as Ctl-I, to the style. Does anyone have a better way? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:14 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90284 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920302332:20:16424:26; Mon, 01 Mar 99 15:32:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016273; 1 Mar 99 15:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA24958 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:14:07 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA24953 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:13:51 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10HTSB-0005xG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 14:13:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:06:26 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA593@W12WNXU01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 01 Mar, Mike Hunter wrote: > I think I may have started the original thread. > > After some discussion I now understand (used to understand) the reason for > the problem. > > If I remember correctly without renaming the font files there seemed to be > no easy solution. I decided against that! > > I would still be interested in an easier solution. There isn't an easy solution for this problem. You could rename your fonts as has been suggested some time ago. The easiest solution is changing Ovation (Pro) on this point. I've seen a similar FS as Ovation Pro has on other platforms and it is not good. The categories within fontfamilies are so divers that it isn't sensible to use them in the fontmenu. With the longer file names of RO 3.8/4.0? it will be far easier to keep the names of fonts the same as on other platforms and to the standard industry name. Less problems with mapping etc. So wait for that before you start renaming them. That doesn't change the problem with O.P. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90289 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920213269:10:01723:18; Sun, 28 Feb 99 14:47:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105047; 28 Feb 99 14:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA22374 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:29:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22369 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:29:14 GMT Received: from (193.149.72.9) [193.149.72.9] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10H7Eq-0007aN-00; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:30:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 14:30:56 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48db7de292owlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: FRONT AND BACK User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Neill McNeill wrote: > Is there a way of moving a frame to the front and back without > having to use the menu, e.g. with a key press or macro? Yes, if you look in the Macro window, you can add icons to the toolbar to either move the frame fully forward/backwards or to step it through the pile. -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90295 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920218486:10:09835:16; Sun, 28 Feb 99 16:14:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009698; 28 Feb 99 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA22631 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:56:40 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22626 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:56:28 GMT Received: from modem-121.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.249] helo=wallace) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H8bI-0006ar-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:57:52 +0000 Message-ID: <004701be6333$18a808e0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Composite file not outputting in colour Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:57:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan wrote: >Sorry, I don't know what YMMV means. Sorry; Your Mileage May Vary. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90296 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920218497:10:09930:15; Sun, 28 Feb 99 16:14:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101156; 28 Feb 99 16:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA22605 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:52:55 GMT Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA22600 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:52:37 GMT Received: from modem-121.zyprexa.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.95.249] helo=wallace) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10H8XY-0005t1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <003d01be6332$8e567d20$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Tiling Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 15:53:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling wrote: > >> Everything to do with tiling, is in the file >> >> !OvnPro.Applets.!Imposit.Library.Tile >> >> >> I spied this bit; >> >> int prtilemargin=8504; // 3mm >> >> Wish I could remember what it does... >> >> In brief either this is it, or you'd have to hack that script >> to give you the feature. > >Sounds promising. However, it's not in the version that I have; there's >nothing to do with margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' >that I have says it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). I found that the Tile script was broken anyway, failing to account for print marks when working out the scaling. There's a bugfix version on my website (on my IT page). To set the overlap you have to handedit the 'Tile' file which has a line similar to that David quotes above (on my system it's set to 4252 millipoints = 1.5mm). My version is a minor amendment of v1.01 which is the current distribution version AFAIK. I've taken the liberty of calling it 1.02 ;-) Cheers, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, Proprietor, Pinxit Design ~ for Internet and print media PhD research student, Physics, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL mailto:nick@kaijaks.co.uk http://www.kaijaks.co.uk/ orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:44:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90298 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:44:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920222306:10:03705:15; Sun, 28 Feb 99 17:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003632; 28 Feb 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA22850 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:32:55 GMT Received: from mta3-svc.virgin.net (mta3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.54.144]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22841 for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:32:29 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.69.201]) by mta3-svc.virgin.net (InterMail v4.00.03.01 201-229-104-101) with SMTP id <19990228163151.EGW252.mta3-svc@bernard.hill.virgin.net> for ; Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:31:51 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 16:22:46 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Tiling output To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, Peter Gaunt wanted overlaps in tiled output. I have on several occasions had to produce an eight page, A3 publication. To print it out I did not use tiling at all but chose to set the printing X and Y offsets in the printing dialogue box so that the top or bottom of the page was printed landscape just where I wanted it. The 'show print borders' allows you to see exactly the limits of each printing. That way I could make sure that cuts for paste up came in convenient places. Sometimes it was necessary to make a third print across the middle of the page to cope with an illustration. This is a bit fiddly, but is does allow you to decide exactly where each tile is placed on the page, and you can even print a tile in upright mode as opposed to landscape if it makes the paste up easier. When I had found the correct X and Y offsets these values were saved as a plain text file for future reference. When your mind begins to fail... For most of the pages it is only necessary to set the top and bottom halves separately and then all the tops and then the bottoms could be printed off at one go. In my case I had to print the right and left pages separately because of the different side margins. I hope that you find this routine useful. Best wishes Berni. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90304 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920252095:10:10069:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 01:34:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010045; 1 Mar 99 1:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA23804 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:36:18 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA23794 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HGgb-0006Ki-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:35:53 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 00:31:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: Re: Tiling To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <003d01be6332$8e567d20$ab356d01@wallace> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 305 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes, 19 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 28 Feb, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > >In on Sat 27 Feb, David Pilling > wrote: > I found that the Tile script was broken anyway, failing to account for > print marks when working out the scaling. There's a bugfix version on my > website (on my IT page). To set the overlap you have to handedit the > 'Tile' file which has a line similar to that David quotes above (on my > system it's set to 4252 millipoints = 1.5mm). My version is a minor > amendment of v1.01 which is the current distribution version AFAIK. I've > taken the liberty of calling it 1.02 ;-) Thanks Nick. That does exactly what I wanted (and a bit more, such as fixing the printer marks bug which I hadn't realised existed). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 It works better if you plug it in. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:23 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90306 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920288737:10:13966:18; Mon, 01 Mar 99 11:45:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129737; 1 Mar 99 11:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24397 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:06:06 GMT Received: from gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (gatee.bbc.co.uk [132.185.132.14]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24392 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:50 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by gatee.kw.bbc.co.uk (8.8.5/8.7.2) with ESMTP i Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 01 Mar 1999 10:05:27 +0000 Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:16 -0000 Message-Id: <21B2A2008F16D2118E7A00805F8BF7EC0CA593@W12WNXU01> From: Mike Hunter To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 10:05:10 -0000 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Graddol wrote: In message Colin Wood wrote: > When I select text and use the I (italic) button at the foot of the OP > window - I get Gill Sans italic (not Gill Sans Light italic) > I then click on the I button again - I am left with Gill Sans (not Gill > Sans Light). > > I know I can get this right by going to the 'font' window beside the I > button and selecting Gill Sans Light italic. But this is a pain! > > Any way of sorting it? > > Using FontDir Pro - is this relevant? > If there is a fix for this painful behaviour, then it has escaped me as well! My current tactic is to set up a style, say, 'Body Italic' which specifies Selection - Gill Sans Italic, but leaves everything else, including point size, as 'don't care'. I then attach a key stroke, such as Ctl-I, to the style. Does anyone have a better way? I think I may have started the original thread. After some discussion I now understand (used to understand) the reason for the problem. If I remember correctly without renaming the font files there seemed to be no easy solution. I decided against that! I would still be interested in an easier solution. Michael -- Michael Hunter, Lecturer, Broadcast Engineering Acorn and OvationPro Fan BBC Training and Development. michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90307 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920289175:10:20856:20; Mon, 01 Mar 99 11:52:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113403; 1 Mar 99 11:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA24498 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:01:59 GMT Received: from metis.salford.ac.uk (metis.salford.ac.uk [146.87.232.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA24493 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:01:40 GMT Received: (qmail 538 invoked by alias); 1 Mar 1999 11:01:46 -0000 Message-ID: <19990301110146.537.qmail@metis.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 531 invoked from network); 1 Mar 1999 11:01:45 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by metis.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 1 Mar 1999 11:01:45 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 11:03:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Self To: Subject: A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:56:56 +0000 Dear Readers, Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 booklet with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with folds down the middle. I have spent a great deal of time trying to do this, wasting a couple of trees on the way, and still have nothing to show for it. My best effort managed to produce one resulted in all the text huddled next to the centre-fold. I could get the text to appear on screen to within 5mm of the printer border, but when it printed out, it faded away whenever the text approached to within 40 mm of the printer border. I've no idea what was clipping the text, certainly not the printer! So if anyone can send me a skeleton document, I would be ecstatically pleased. Please save the trees from further destruction by an incomptetant Opro user. Cheers Roger R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90312 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920301460:10:25844:27; Mon, 01 Mar 99 15:17:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024864; 1 Mar 99 15:16 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA24919 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA24914 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:06 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.178) [193.149.78.178] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HT8C-0006Gf-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:53:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:09:19 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 Mar 99 (11:03:32 +0000), r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk wrote: >Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 booklet >with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with folds down the >middle. Sent... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 18:45:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90314 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:45:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920307018:10:14002:71; Mon, 01 Mar 99 16:50:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012230; 1 Mar 99 16:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA25075 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:13 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25070 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:54 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10HUpV-0001bu-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:42:01 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10HUpT-0001dB-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:59 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:59 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FB42@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Ov Pro & Maths Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 15:41:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, I am writting a heavily mathematical report that uses a lot of the Math Greek font that comes with !Formulix. To save my sanity I would like to now if there is an applet out there that could filter out names of greek symbols (or other things) as I write them (in upper case) and replace them with the correct symbol and style? eg. if I typed ALPHA in the middle of a sentance I would want the applet to remove the occurance of ALPHA as soon as it had made the match (without waiting for a space to be entered) and replace it with the relevant single char. in Math Greek, and turn off Math effect afterwards so I can cary on typing in my current style. I suppose the best solution would be to filter the same structures as used by LaTeX (eg. \GAMMA, \FRAC(1,2) etc.) If that app is not available / some time coming has anyone written macros for most of the greek alphabet? (eg. crtl+alt+a for alpha or such like?) Thanks, Peter R.H. > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > Mr. Peter Reeves-Hall Msci (PhD Student) > > Lab: +44 (0)171 59 47781 Office: +44 (0)171 59 47639 > Fax: +44 (0)171 59 47782 Email: PC.Reeveshall@ic.ac.uk > > Femtosecond Optics Group www.lsr.ph.ic.ac.uk/femto > Department of Physics, Imperial College of Science, Technology and > Medicine. > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > > > > -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 21:17:19 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90358 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 21:17:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920321053:10:11707:23; Mon, 01 Mar 99 20:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011437; 1 Mar 99 20:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA25450 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:14:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA25445 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:14:19 GMT Received: from (193.149.82.110) [193.149.82.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HZ5A-0006Uq-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 20:14:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Chris Wragg) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 18:57:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 Mar 99 (15:41:52), pc.reeveshall@ic.ac.uk wrote: > I am writting a heavily mathematical report that uses a lot of > the Math Greek font that comes with !Formulix. To save my sanity I > would like to now if there is an applet out there that could filter out > names of greek symbols (or other things) as I write them (in upper > case) and replace them with the correct symbol and style? > > eg. if I typed ALPHA in the middle of a sentance I would want the > applet to remove the occurance of ALPHA as soon as it had made the > match (without waiting for a space to be entered) and replace it with > the relevant single char. in Math Greek, and turn off Math effect > afterwards so I can cary on typing in my current style. If this is how you prefer to work then I hope someone comes up with an answer. But meanwhile, what is wrong with setting the Single Shift Font to the font you require (see 3.2 in the manual)? I use the Shift Font set to SymbolB, shortcut is F10, when I am writing notes etc for sixthform students. So long as you can remember the equivalents (a = alpha, q = theta, etc) then, for example, sin theta is simply sin F10q. ChrisW -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from Banham, Norfolk Using an Acorn RiscPC cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 22:07:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90367 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 22:07:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920324278:10:02980:31; Mon, 01 Mar 99 21:37:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002945; 1 Mar 99 21:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA25592 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:49 GMT Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA25586 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:33 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10Ha2S-0006HX-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:15:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 99 18:59:45 GMT Message-Id: <90315@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Tiling X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >However, it's not in the version that I have; there's nothing to do with >margins at all so far as I can see. The version of 'tile' that I have says >it's version 1.00 (dated 2nd May 1997). Which lets me remind you that the latest versions of all applets are on the Beebug web site www.beebug.com. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 1 22:58:02 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90379 for opro ; Mon, 01 Mar 99 22:58:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920327428:10:21419:15; Mon, 01 Mar 99 22:30:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021383; 1 Mar 99 22:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA25704 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:05:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA25699 for ; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:05:40 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.166) [194.69.101.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10Haow-0001Tf-00; Mon, 1 Mar 1999 22:05:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 1 Mar 99 (22:05:58 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 1 Mar 99 (11:03:32 +0000), r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk wrote: >Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 booklet >with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with folds down the >middle. > Make an A5 document, defining paper sizes as 210mm high by 148.5mm wide. In file->print, set it up to print as pamphlet (this may need an applet, I can't remember), then tick print setup. Now tick "sideways" and for good measure, "centre." Leave aspect and scale at 100. Allegedly, Bob's your uncle. -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:49:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90399 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 13:49:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920361340:10:04129:17; Tue, 02 Mar 99 07:55:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004102; 2 Mar 99 7:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA26201 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:36:12 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA26196 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:35:58 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr00-38.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.38]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id HAA25838 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 07:36:13 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 00:04:42 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FB42@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 01 Mar, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > Hi all, > > I am writting a heavily mathematical report that uses a lot of > the Math Greek font that comes with !Formulix. To save my sanity I would > like to now if there is an applet out there that could filter out names of > greek symbols (or other things) as I write them (in upper case) and replace > them with the correct symbol and style? > I and my wife struggled (jointly and severally) with this for ages. Eventually we gave up and got TechWriter Pro and haven't regretted it. I know it's not the answer you want, but it really will make your life *so* much easier, and Icon Technology will give you a 50% (ish) student *discount. Some of our struggles to use OvPro for lots of equations etc. are documented on my Web site if you're interested. I think OvPro and TWP complement each other wonderfully - it's just a shame you can't exchange data easily between them... Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 13:49:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90400 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 13:49:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920368501:10:21949:16; Tue, 02 Mar 99 09:55:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021947; 2 Mar 99 9:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA26346 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:24:47 GMT Received: from amalthea.salford.ac.uk (amalthea.salford.ac.uk [146.87.255.61]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA26341 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:24:30 GMT Received: (qmail 17880 invoked by alias); 2 Mar 1999 09:24:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990302092447.17879.qmail@amalthea.salford.ac.uk> Received: (qmail 16708 invoked from network); 2 Mar 1999 09:24:11 -0000 Received: from brindley-056.salford.ac.uk (HELO Unknown) (146.87.16.56) by amalthea.salford.ac.uk with SMTP; 2 Mar 1999 09:24:11 -0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Roger Darlington" Organization: University of Salford To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 09:25:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.42) Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro > > > Make an A5 document, defining paper sizes as 210mm high by 148.5mm wide. In > file->print, set it up to print as pamphlet (this may need an applet, I can't > remember), then tick print setup. Now tick "sideways" and for good measure, > "centre." Leave aspect and scale at 100. Allegedly, Bob's your uncle. > Dear Andy, Many thanks for this. So that's where I was going wrong: I started off with A4, sideways, two columns, and proceeded from there into a right pickle. > Creswell, Derbyshire > Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags > I know, I've seen them! I thought I knew Derbyshire reasonable well, having walked over it for the last 40 years, but I can't find Creswell on the map. I don't think I have seen Creswell Crags, not knowingly anyway. Cheers Roger .. R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk A 276MHz StrongARM RiscPC in 1200 by 1600 graphics at home for real work An 30MHz 80486 PC plod in 640 x 512 graphics at work for .... a long wait. Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 17:34:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90416 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 17:34:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920393741:20:01822:15; Tue, 02 Mar 99 16:55:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113190; 2 Mar 99 16:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA26773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:05 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA26767 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:54:49 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10HrVj-0000Qq-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 15:55:08 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 15:45:05 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Clipboard, drag n drop, save Message-ID: X-Organization: Nature X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro hiya Can anyone help me to get to the bottom of this strange and erratic behaviour - no not me, the programs :-) When using the following software OvationPro 2.51, Messenger 1.40f, StrongED 4.55 to 4.60beta4 and Clipboard 0.08. >From an open Messenger display window any Drag n Drop or DB Save actions to an open SE window seem to work, but no text appears in the SE window. This happens with all SE versions. But the same actions work fine with an open OP window ?. All these actions work fine from SE to OP, but fail as above when using them from OP to SE. At first I suspected SE, but it works with other apps, maybe it's when a file is marked as unsafe in Wimp Messages, anyway read on. When using C in Messenger to copy to clipboard : This usually comes through ok to SE, but occasionally I get the wrong text transferred, correct length of selection but from the wrong offset in the Messenger file. When using the Clipboard app to monitor the clipboard - after using C in Messenger, Clipboard does not respond, reports nothing on clipboard. The text never gets through from Messenger to OP via the clipboard. The clipboard from SE to OP seems to work ok, but using V in some OP frames, some docs ?, the text is not put in the frame selected but in the main frame of the doc ? The clipboard from OP to SE works ok. According to the Clipboard app, SE works ok and the text is always on the clipboard and saves cleanly. But any OP use of the clipboard and it reports the following error : Bad yourref in DataSave message. If you then try to save the clipboard, Clipboard just reports the following message : Asking owner to save, then nothing happens. All these actions between two SE windows or two OP windows work. Can anyone confirm that this is happening with their installations of this software and does the same happen with Zap ? I don't have any other clipboard apps to test it with. Sent to the Messenger maillist and Guttorm many thanks -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 17:34:21 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90417 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 17:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920395121:20:24294:17; Tue, 02 Mar 99 17:18:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024157; 2 Mar 99 17:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA26875 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:38:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA26869 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:38:32 GMT Received: from (193.149.83.24) [193.149.83.24] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HsC0-00036h-00; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:38:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 07:50:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! Message-ID: <48dc60e0b7bric@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article , Andy's Progs wrote: > On Mon 1 Mar 99 (11:03:32 +0000), r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk > wrote: > >Please can someone send me a skeleton blank layout for an A5 > >booklet with several pages using A4 paper in lanscape mode with > >folds down the middle. > > > Make an A5 document, defining paper sizes as 210mm high by 148.5mm > wide. In file->print, set it up to print as pamphlet (this may need > an applet, I can't remember), then tick print setup. Now tick > "sideways" and for good measure, "centre." Leave aspect and scale at > 100. Allegedly, Bob's your uncle. I havn't done this in OPro but that sounds much the same as ImpPub. If you are hoping to print both sides of the paper make sure the total number of pages is divisible by 4. Or am I talking through my hat? Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Mar 2 21:02:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90442 for opro ; Tue, 02 Mar 99 21:02:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920401013:10:22393:16; Tue, 02 Mar 99 18:56:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101422; 2 Mar 99 18:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27185 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:41 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27180 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.36.33] (helo=beard.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10HtwJ-000NeQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 18:30:43 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 21:12:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Gaunt Subject: RE: Setting the italic font as italic To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Somewhat chaotic X-TimeTo2000: 305 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes, 0 seconds X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Mon 01 Mar, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > With the longer file names of RO 3.8/4.0? it will be far easier to keep > the names of fonts the same as on other platforms and to the standard > industry name. Less problems with mapping etc. So wait for that before > you start renaming them. That doesn't change the problem with O.P. It's not exactly difficult to do this at the moment. The optional Messages file which you can stick in font directories (RO3 onwards) allows you to rename the fonts. Works fine with things like Draw but OP (and most other software) ignore it and come up with the Acorn names instead. Never have quite fathomed out why this is (presumably they're not using the correct font manager SWI calls to make up font menus). -- Pete ==== +44 (0)411 501 757 Look out for yourself or they'll pee on your grave. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 00:54:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90451 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:54:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920409643:20:05817:19; Tue, 02 Mar 99 21:20:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005718; 2 Mar 99 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27421 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA27416 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10HwK5-0004Bx-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 21:03:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 18:13:23 GMT Message-Id: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet wanted please. Save the trees! X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I havn't done this in OPro but that sounds much the same as ImpPub. >If you are hoping to print both sides of the paper make sure the total >number of pages is divisible by 4. Or am I talking through my hat? The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page size. Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed to make A4 the same size as A5 (2 A5's fit on one A4 sideways), and finally it will pad out with blank pages if necessary, so you can print on both sides of the paper. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 00:54:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90459 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:54:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920413735:20:12873:15; Tue, 02 Mar 99 22:28:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012496; 2 Mar 99 22:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA27617 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:02:08 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA27612 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:01:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.34) [193.149.69.34] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10HxF3-0004cr-00; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 22:02:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 16:32:52 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 2 Mar 99 (00:04:42 +0000), lists@armlink.ndirect.co.uk wrote: > >I think OvPro and TWP complement each other wonderfully - it's just a >shame you can't exchange data easily between them... Whilst we're on the subject, what is the position on data interchange between OvPro and Easy-Writer Pro? I'm thinking of buying this for its PC compatibilities, and cannot contemplate giving up OvPro... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 00:54:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90462 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 00:54:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920416626:10:02428:15; Tue, 02 Mar 99 23:17:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002317; 2 Mar 99 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA27770 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:37 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA27764 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:19 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.200.20] ident=root) by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10HyGO-0007cb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:44 +0000 Received: from pcbi62 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id XAA27069; Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:07:42 GMT Message-ID: <36DC6F53.1F6F@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 23:08:03 +0000 From: MattLB Organization: ukc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Master page mystery References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R While trying to create a template for displaying 6 pictures per page I've discovered some odd frame behaviour on master pages. On a normal page if you draw a square frame you can drag copies from it using Alt-Shift-select to create five identical copies of the original frame. If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and undeletable. Is there something special about copies of frames on master pages or is this, as it seems, incorrect behaviour? MattLB -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 02:59:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90483 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 02:59:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920423580:10:21149:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 01:13:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021123; 3 Mar 99 1:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA27940 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:57:08 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA27935 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:56:52 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10HzyO-0000fh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 00:57:16 +0000 Date: Tue, 02 Mar 99 21:09:17 GMT Message-Id: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Setting the italic font as italic X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The optional Messages file which you can stick in font directories (RO3 >onwards) allows you to rename the fonts. Works fine with things like Draw >but OP (and most other software) ignore it and come up with the Acorn names >instead. Never have quite fathomed out why this is (presumably they're not >using the correct font manager SWI calls to make up font menus). This has been discussed here quite a lot, after one bout, I fixed the problem. See the quote below, no doubt it is in the notes with the upgrades too. It would be fixed in OPro 2.47 or later. >02/08/97 >DP014 >Serious hacking of Font_List code to allow font names to be different to font >identifiers i.e. permit the use of a Messages1 file. >Font names should only appear on menus, everything else uses font id's. >Font_Angela.Bold:Angela1.Bold >Font_Angela.Medium:Angela1.Medium >Font_Angela.Bold.Italic:Angela1.Bold Italic >Font_Angela.Medium.Italic:Angela1.Medium Italic David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 13:48:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90487 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 13:48:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920446508:20:02022:17; Wed, 03 Mar 99 07:35:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103954; 3 Mar 99 7:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA28194 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:22:51 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA28189 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:22:37 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr01-56.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.120]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id HAA23664 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 07:22:50 GMT Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1999 23:44:04 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 02 Mar, Dr A G Gray wrote: > On Tue 2 Mar 99 (00:04:42 +0000), lists@armlink.ndirect.co.uk wrote: > > > >I think OvPro and TWP complement each other wonderfully - it's just a > >shame you can't exchange data easily between them... > > Whilst we're on the subject, what is the position on data interchange between > OvPro and Easy-Writer Pro? I'm thinking of buying this for its PC > compatibilities, and cannot contemplate giving up OvPro... > You can't easily (but the TW/EW family is just absolutely brilliant). It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it reads Impression ones, although as I often feel I'm "The Only Acorn User Never To Have Used Impression" (TM) I can't say how well it does that. For one thing, if TWP read Ovation files, it would potentially provide a way to turn OvPro material into MSWord, HTML, and TEX. There's a thread just started on the TechWriter mailing list about this... Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 13:48:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90493 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 13:48:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920457846:20:00996:22; Wed, 03 Mar 99 10:44:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101117; 3 Mar 99 10:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28421 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:45 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA28416 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:33 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 10:09:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 10:07:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Setting the italic font as italic Message-ID: <48dcf148abC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> References: <90449@pilling.demon.co.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Using the messages1 file would appear to be an option when using "conventional" font storage. How does one do the equivalent for the likes of Font Dir Pro? Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 14:35:30 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90506 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920471509:10:03848:38; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110254; 3 Mar 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:38:03 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28676 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:36:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-09.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.69]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12333 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:36:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:06:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page > size. !!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always work at 100%. > > Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with > rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed What point size did you pick then? aiming to end up with? & that graphic in the 5.5x7.25cm frame, what did you scale it at planning on an output resolution of...? Let's see, 70%, scaling up =, um... Dang. Working at 100%, OP produces faultless A5 booklets on A4 paper. Didn't you know ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 15:18:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90508 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 15:17:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920471509:10:03848:38; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110254; 3 Mar 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:38:03 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28676 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:36:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-09.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.69]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12333 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:36:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:06:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page > size. !!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always work at 100%. > > Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with > rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed What point size did you pick then? aiming to end up with? & that graphic in the 5.5x7.25cm frame, what did you scale it at planning on an output resolution of...? Let's see, 70%, scaling up =, um... Dang. Working at 100%, OP produces faultless A5 booklets on A4 paper. Didn't you know ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 17:34:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90510 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 17:34:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920471509:10:03848:38; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:31:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110254; 3 Mar 99 14:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28684 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:38:03 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (brainy.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28676 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:36:55 GMT Received: from timk.kiwilink.co.nz (as5200-09.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.69]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id CAA12333 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 02:36:00 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 02:06:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90437@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > The way I'd do this, is write your booklet using the default A4 page > size. !!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always work at 100%. > > Then select the 'pamphlet' print format. This print format will cope with > rotating the pages by 90 degrees, set the 70% print scale needed What point size did you pick then? aiming to end up with? & that graphic in the 5.5x7.25cm frame, what did you scale it at planning on an output resolution of...? Let's see, 70%, scaling up =, um... Dang. Working at 100%, OP produces faultless A5 booklets on A4 paper. Didn't you know ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 17:34:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90511 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 17:34:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920472974:10:25678:22; Wed, 03 Mar 99 14:56:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125424; 3 Mar 99 14:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA28723 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:19 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA28718 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IC3l-0004zn-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 13:51:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 03:02:21 GMT Message-Id: <90484@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and >undeletable. This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 18:24:00 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90518 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 18:23:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920483210:20:02404:16; Wed, 03 Mar 99 17:46:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111879; 3 Mar 99 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29501 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:50 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA29496 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:05:34 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:06:02 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20912 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:04:45 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:04:41 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Master page mystery To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90484@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from > >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and > >undeletable. > > This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... This happens to me - except that I would at undetectable to the list of uns! It only seems to affect the default document. If I try to resize and then copy the master page frame on the document - you appear to drag a frame to a second position but it disappears when you release the mouse button. The alternative method of ^C then ^V also fails. However, if a *new* frame is introduced on the old master page it can be copied (and the old frame deleted). When creating new documents, frames can be put on the master page and copied by any of the methods. Don -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 19:00:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90519 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:00:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920484761:10:08908:17; Wed, 03 Mar 99 18:12:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115788; 3 Mar 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA29565 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 17:42:38 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA29019 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:17:31 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 3 Mar 1999 15:17:40 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 15:16:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths Message-ID: <48dd0d943bC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk> References: <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk> User-Agent: Pluto/1.11d (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk>, John Percy Kerslake wrote: > How do I subscribe to the TechWriter mailing > list?. Try via http://www.eGroups.com/list/icon-users Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 19:01:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90524 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920475853:10:05983:19; Wed, 03 Mar 99 15:44:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005499; 3 Mar 99 15:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA28867 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:35:37 GMT Received: from saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (root@saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.102.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA28384 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:29:12 GMT Received: from sees.bangor.ac.uk (nfcrpc7.sees.bangor.ac.uk [147.143.6.182]) by saturn.sees.bangor.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA08461 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 09:29:41 GMT Message-ID: <36DD010F.4E7D6369@sees.bangor.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 03 Mar 1999 09:29:51 +0000 From: John Percy Kerslake Organization: SEECS University of Bangor, Gwynedd, LL57 1UT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro How do I subscribe to the TechWriter mailing list?. -- John Percy Kerslake B.Sc., F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Web Page = http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/welcome.htm Pager=01426-235878, Work=01248-351151 ext. 2711, Fax 01248-361429 Dyslexia rules K. O. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 21:03:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90542 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 21:03:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920488061:10:00239:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:07:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000138; 3 Mar 99 19:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA29780 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:43:09 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA29775 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:42:52 GMT Received: from (194.69.104.221) [194.69.104.221] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10IGcA-00001l-00; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 18:43:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Willington) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Mar 99 18:12:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Upgrade Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have just received my v2.52 upgrade but without any instructions. Is it advisable to install it on top of my v2.51 or to start afresh? Thanks, Dave W. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 22:10:33 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90548 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 22:10:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920496400:20:07152:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 21:26:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007076; 3 Mar 99 21:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA30012 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:06:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA30002 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:47 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IIps-0001Gh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:44 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:09:55 GMT Message-Id: <90529@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: (Fwd) A5 booklet - at 70% X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >!!! NOT best trade practice, David. There's a sort of golden rule - always >work at 100% Thats probably true if you're a professional putting in a lot of time on one project. But for a beginner what I suggested is the easiest method. Presumeably if you wanted to print something at a different size, you'd redesign it - all this stuff about fonts changing design depending on point size. I can give you another argument for working at 100%, things like Turbo drivers can make a mess when printing scaled... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 22:10:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90549 for opro ; Wed, 03 Mar 99 22:10:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920496466:20:08169:15; Wed, 03 Mar 99 21:27:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124757; 3 Mar 99 21:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA29997 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:15 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA29992 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:02 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IIpl-0001Gh-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 21:05:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 03 Mar 99 19:03:44 GMT Message-Id: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it >reads Impression ones I'm right in thinking though that what they do is load Impression DDF files, just what OPro has done these last three years. "Loads Impression files" trips of the tongue all too easily and means something rather more ambitious to many people. Icon now posess a copy of OPro, so maybe they'll give you the support you want. EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP programs. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Mar 4 01:20:17 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90554 for opro ; Thu, 04 Mar 99 01:20:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920502504:10:21937:16; Wed, 03 Mar 99 23:08:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109660; 3 Mar 99 23:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA30280 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:55:47 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA30275 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:55:29 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr01-29.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.93]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA13022 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:56:05 GMT Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 22:01:06 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David, On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > >It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it > >reads Impression ones > > I'm right in thinking though that what they do is load Impression DDF > files, just what OPro has done these last three years. > > "Loads Impression files" trips of the tongue all too easily and means > something rather more ambitious to many people. Err, OK. As I say, I confess to having bought Ovation as soon as it came out, and when every other Acorn user seemed to be using Impression. > > Icon now posess a copy of OPro, so maybe they'll give you the support you > want. > > EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP > programs. In some parts of the world that would be regarded as a troll! :o) I can just hear Mike Glover starting to clarify that statement... Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:14:28 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90752 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:14:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920736952:10:25424:15; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:15:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113556; 6 Mar 99 16:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00533 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:43:56 GMT Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00528 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:43:30 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10JJY5-0000p1-0C for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 16:03:34 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 06 Mar 1999 16:04:44 GMT Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 15:22:10 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: InDesign and Ovation Pro Message-ID: <659799de48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having read the specs on InDesign(codename K2), Adobe's new layout app, it is pleasing to see that Ovation Pro already has a number of the features announced as 'firsts' for DTP. Some of the things we have complained about as being missing from OPro, such as Index and content generation, appear to be missing from InDesign. It is almost certain that users of InDesign will have to purchase plugins for these features, paying fairly big bucks into the bargain, whereas we have generous and capable programmers who do these things for love. Aren't we lucky. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:35:15 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90761 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:35:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920737103:10:27340:23; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:18:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117523; 6 Mar 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00502 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:19:55 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00417 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:18:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA08130 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:23:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10IfaD-0005Zl-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 21:23:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 20:58:29 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Getting !macros to stay To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all Here's a weirdo. (the problem- not me) I have recently changed to using three rows of buttons in my toolbox. I have saved the macros, and even saved the page as default. Reboot or switch off- two rows of buttons, with the contents of the third row tagged on the end of the third, flying off the screen. Any helpful comments appreciated! -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Only dead fish go with the flow." Attrib. Sarah Craig -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:35:21 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90762 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:35:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920737563:10:03350:18; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:26:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128087; 6 Mar 99 16:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00509 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:20:40 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00466 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:18:59 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA06183 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:49:59 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-134.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.134]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA07513 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:49:43 GMT Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 13:10:35 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP > programs. > Quite right, and it's surprising (I find) how often the DTP capability makes life easier when the document gets beyond the straightforward. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:47:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90769 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:47:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920738345:20:26014:15; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:39:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2112660; 6 Mar 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00498 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:19:35 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00395 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:17:44 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA08366 for ; Thu, 4 Mar 1999 22:54:09 GMT Received: from rispc (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J8G8Y6G8I00000N3@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 00:01:58 GMT +0100 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 23:52:05 +0000 From: "Steven M. Ottens" SNAP*student.wau.nl> Subject: Re: Ov Pro & Maths In-reply-to: <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: lx.student.wau.nl MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <90527@pilling.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > >It would be really good if TWP would read OvPro files in the same way as it > >reads Impression ones > > I'm right in thinking though that what they do is load Impression DDF > files, just what OPro has done these last three years. > > "Loads Impression files" trips of the tongue all too easily and means > something rather more ambitious to many people. > > Icon now posess a copy of OPro, so maybe they'll give you the support you > want. > > EW/TW are very good. Although they're word processors and not DTP > programs. > That's exactly why there should be some sort of compatibility. The wp of EW/TW is better then the OvP wp-side. That's because EW/TW are designed for wp and OvP isn't. That's not a problem since OvP is really good in DTP, where it is designed for. To get a part of the wp-strength of EW/TW to OvP you need to be able to import EW/TW. To get the text of OvP to M$word, EW/TW "only" need to be able to get the text out of OvP docs. I'm glad some other people noticed it also here (and in the EW/TW-scene). I'm even more glad that there are people working on it, after "we" asked for it -> the Acorn-scene is still the best (and userfriendliest) there is -- X X | Steven M. Ottens X | Ottens' Dutch Design - O'dd X X | http://www.futuretrain.com/odd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Mar 6 16:47:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90770 for opro ; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:47:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920738413:20:26594:15; Sat, 06 Mar 99 16:40:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113414; 6 Mar 99 16:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA00380 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:17:31 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA00287 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 15:16:10 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk (mercury.ukc.ac.uk [129.12.21.10]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA13141 for ; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:03:18 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.200.20] ident=root) by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10IzsU-0005PY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:03:18 +0000 Received: from pcbi62 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id TAA13798; Fri, 5 Mar 1999 19:03:16 GMT Message-ID: <36E02A8C.5F6C@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 19:03:40 +0000 From: MattLB Organization: ukc X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery References: <90484@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R David Pilling wrote: > > >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from > >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and > >undeletable. > > This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... Try this: Double-click OvPro. Click on icon bar icon. Open master pages. Draw a frame (I've tried it with square and oval frames) within the default frame. Click on it to select it -- it turns red and resize boxes appear. Now, pressing Shift-Alt-Select, drag a copy from the selected frame and drop the copy anywhere. If you click on the copy the outline turns red, but no resize boxes appear. Text can be typed in the frame copy, but that's about all that can be done. The frame copy can't be moved, can't be resized (even by directly entering values in the info palette) and can't be deleted with Ctrl-X or from the Edit menu. A weird caveat to this is that if one of these frame copies is Cut or Copied and then pasted, the pasted copy-of-a-copy *can* be selected, dragged and resized in the normal way. By drawing one frame and copy/pasting it (rather than Shift-Alt-Select dragging)as many times as necessary all the copies remain editable. MattLB (using OvPro 2.51, RISCOS 3.7) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:04:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90783 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:04:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920802289:10:16327:15; Sun, 07 Mar 99 10:24:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016269; 7 Mar 99 10:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA00398 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:33:07 GMT Received: from delta.barnet.ac.uk (root@delta.barnet.ac.uk [194.82.200.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA00370 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 09:31:06 GMT Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by delta.barnet.ac.uk (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA16756 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:57:32 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=DELL_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10JLFe-000Pxz-0B for OvationPro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:52:38 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 17:51:06 +0000 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Style scope selection MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro OPro 2.51 Hi, I've never noticed this before, so it may be due to some applet misbehaving - could someone please verify:. If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my telling it to do so. Me, Ovation, or an applet? Anyone know? cheers, Tony. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:05:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90789 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:05:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920804030:20:05754:15; Sun, 07 Mar 99 10:53:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005557; 7 Mar 99 10:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA00585 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:19:33 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA00576 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:19:20 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 10Jaxn-0007HH-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:39:15 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 10:40:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Style scope selection To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 06 Mar, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > OPro 2.51 > > Hi, I've never noticed this before, so it may be due to some applet > misbehaving - could someone please verify:. > > If I have a style defined with 'Selection' scope, and I fiddle anout > with its tabs settings, it reverts to 'paragraph' scope without my > telling it to do so. > > Me, Ovation, or an applet? Anyone know? > > cheers, Tony. Ovation - if you change any of the attributes which apply to whole paragraphs (seemingly anything in the Format box of the style editor) the scope is set to paragraph. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:05:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90791 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:05:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920809501:20:11183:15; Sun, 07 Mar 99 12:25:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100566; 7 Mar 99 12:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA00830 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:54:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA00825 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 11:53:50 GMT Received: from [212.238.88.19] (helo=dinkla.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10JcRH-0006aF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 12:13:47 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 13:10:19 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: InDesign and Ovation Pro To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <659799de48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sat 06 Mar, Alan Muscat wrote: > Having read the specs on InDesign(codename K2), Adobe's new layout > app, it is pleasing to see that Ovation Pro already has a number of the > features announced as 'firsts' for DTP. Some of the things we have > complained about as being missing from OPro, such as Index and content > generation, appear to be missing from InDesign. It is almost certain > that users of InDesign will have to purchase plugins for these features, > paying fairly big bucks into the bargain, whereas we have generous > and capable programmers who do these things for love. Aren't we lucky. Very lucky. Even its Postscript/PDF display to the monitor (like the Next) can't be better than what we have now. Now someone writes the same PDF_E? im- and export for Ovation Pro as InDesign has and we will be happy in the next century as well. Ovation Pro and InDesign beating Quark. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk The point will never be metric -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:05:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90798 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:05:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920822027:10:15298:20; Sun, 07 Mar 99 15:53:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104612; 7 Mar 99 15:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA01077 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:22:18 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA01072 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:22:07 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 10Jfgs-000443-0K for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:42:06 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 18:01:27 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page mystery Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Nature X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "Dr. D. M. Lewis" wrote: > On Wed 03 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >If you try the same thing on a master page, you can drag frames from > > >your original frame, but these copies are uneditable, unmovable and > > >undeletable. > > > > This sounds like it should be a bug. But it won't go wrong for me... > > This happens to me - except that I would at undetectable to the list of > uns! > > It only seems to affect the default document. > > If I try to resize and then copy the master page frame on the document > - you appear to drag a frame to a second position but it disappears when > you release the mouse button. The alternative method of ^C then ^V also > fails. > > However, if a *new* frame is introduced on the old master page it can be > copied (and the old frame deleted). > > When creating new documents, frames can be put on the master page and > copied by any of the methods. > > Don > After experiencing various problems with altering master page frames and the use of ^C and ^V, with just text selections as well, I had to create that doc from scratch to get it to update the pages after alteration. Since then I have adopted the policy of starting all original versions of documents from on the Iconbar Menu. Also I made fresh versions of any masters in the Stationery directory that gave problems and the Default doc. Since then I have not had a problem, but repeated editing of master page layouts does seem to give problems. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Mar 8 19:06:22 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA90815 for opro ; Mon, 08 Mar 99 19:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 920833367:10:23666:16; Sun, 07 Mar 99 19:02:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023395; 7 Mar 99 19:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA01653 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:32:00 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA01648 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:31:48 GMT Received: from modem-16.penicillin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.83.16] helo=theranks.freeserve.co.uk) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10JieI-0002K3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Mar 1999 18:51:41 +0000 Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 17:09:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Tom Rank Subject: Re: Style scope selection To: Ovation Maillist In-Reply-To: Message-ID: