From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:37:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88398 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:37:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917735094:20:11894:17; Sat, 30 Jan 99 22:24:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011681; 30 Jan 99 22:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA10659 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:05:11 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA10654 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:04:58 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-104.access.ch [195.112.69.232]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id XAA13903 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:06:11 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:03:59 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Ctrl X wierdo To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 27 Jan, Ovation Pro wrote: > I have had some strange experiences with ctrl keys. I don't think > OP is to blame though. We have a networked version and I have > noticed on one RPC, ctrl keys do not always work, but all the functions > work from the menus. On other RPCs there is no problem, so maybe > it is due an applet or other software interaction. This problem does not only exist with OPro. I've had the same experience with Ovation 1.42 and Draw. CFS and Ovation also show a similar problem. I am not a programming expert but it seems some programs demand priority over certain use of keys. The problem can possibly only be solved if all programmers do some brain storming together. A similar problem is that DrawPlus claims Draw files if DrawPlus has been seen by the Filer. Similar problems exist at times with StrongED. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:37:54 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88402 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:37:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917778379:20:27302:15; Sun, 31 Jan 99 10:26:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117957; 31 Jan 99 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11302 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:13:32 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA11297 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:13:15 GMT Received: (qmail 25579 invoked from network); 31 Jan 1999 10:14:33 -0000 Received: from 66-179.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.179) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 31 Jan 1999 10:14:33 -0000 Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 22:40:50 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Additional alignment features Message-ID: Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I've been trying to create a diary using OvationPro, and I've generated long lists of months and dates which flow into linked frames on a double page layout. The problem is that I don't want to go through and align all the months with left align on left pages and right align on right pages. I wonder does anybody know of a way of implimenting 'Outside' and 'Inside' alignment? There are many other uses I could think to put this to. Brian. -- Brian O'Carroll pebbles@eurobell.co.uk http://www.zynet.co.uk/pebbles -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:38:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88405 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:38:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917779256:20:05262:23; Sun, 31 Jan 99 10:40:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005326; 31 Jan 99 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA11391 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:31:14 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA11386 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:31:01 GMT Received: from [158.152.60.112] (helo=narrator.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 106uAt-0004uG-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:32:21 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:18:22 GMT Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 10:18:03 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Thesaurus Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Could someone please try typing 'fire' into the OvPro thesaurus. [snip] I did and it worked fine. -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 16Mb -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:38:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88408 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:38:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917784221:20:26828:15; Sun, 31 Jan 99 12:03:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2026587; 31 Jan 99 12:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA11613 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:52:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id LAA11608 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:52:30 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.49) [193.149.71.49] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 106vRn-0004Hb-00; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 11:53:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and Print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 11:52:41 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: HTMLPro v1.201 and new Website Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I shall be posting the original files onto the website. These files are the ones that were converted using HTMLPro and are now the website. By looking at them, you can all make you own opinion of how accurately they have been reproduced. Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:38:27 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88414 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917739938:10:12105:15; Sat, 30 Jan 99 23:45:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1011690; 30 Jan 99 23:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA10882 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:26:58 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA10877 for ; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:26:44 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 106jnw-0001jo-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:27:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:25:26 GMT Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 23:25:19 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame Message-ID: <3f91bfcc48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <65927ecc48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message <65927ecc48%root@riscpc.student.wau.nl> you wrote: > In message > Rene Turner wrote: > > > On Sat 30 Jan, Ian R. Platt wrote: > > > On Thu 28 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > In message you wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed 27 Jan, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey you used to have 13. Where are the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > I used to have 21. The times they are a changin' > > > > > > Let's hope, with the recent announcement about RiscOS Ltd, that the > > > > > > figure rises. > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you havn't included me - so it must be 10! > > > > > -- > > > > > from David Broster > > > > > > > > Sorry, I missed you. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Alan Muscat > > > > email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. > > > > > > Hello! can you see my hand too? > > > > > > --> Choose Acorn - 11 users can't all be wrong > > > > > > :-) > > > Ian P. > > > > Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too > > > > --> Choose Acorn - 12 users can't all be wrong > > > > Umm almost back to the 13 users now... > To make things nice: > > Me too, me too, me too, ok better add me to the list too > > --> Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong > > hehehehehe > -- X X | Steven M. Ottens > X | http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno/ > X X | for reply: cut "SNAP" > Talk about having your arm twisted up your back. OK. OK. ;) -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:39:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88432 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917888382:20:17932:40; Mon, 01 Feb 99 16:59:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123165; 1 Feb 99 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA13839 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:26:11 GMT Received: from itcentre.guernsey.net ([195.226.133.50] (may be forged)) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA13834 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:25:54 GMT Received: from riscpcsa.itcentre (riscpcsa [1.104.155.24]) by itcentre.guernsey.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA12896 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:21:30 GMT Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 16:26:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "GuernseyITCentre(Site)" Subject: importing RTF or from Fireworkz pro To: User mailings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, FAX (+44) 0148166352 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am trying to import files I creating in Fireworkz pro if I use rtf all my lines are on top of each other cos I used Ctrl-Return (new line not new para) like shift-return? in Ov Pro? Anyone trod this path before? Got any bright ideas beside keep using Fireworkz Thanks Victor -- V. Lane IT Support Teacher Guernsey IT Centre, Guernsey, GY7 9LA, 49 30N 2 37W email:- vlane@itcentre.guernsey.net -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:39:25 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88437 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917802047:10:28946:15; Sun, 31 Jan 99 17:00:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028759; 31 Jan 99 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA12285 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:50:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA12280 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:49:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.80.186) [193.149.80.186] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10705b-0001mJ-00; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:51:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 16:51:26 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cd1f57b3owlart@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09k for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Interlock Border In-Reply-To: <88276@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <88276@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > It's a slip up. I was once working on implementing Impression style > borders, and I left that file there. AH, right. I'll delete it then. > >My version of OvationPro in 1.52, but it was put together from 2 sets > >of discs, since Beebug sent me a corrupt disc 2, and then sent me a > >filesizes so I can check I have the correct files in place? > I'd be inclined to say if it works, its OK. The 2.51 patch on > www.beebug.com contains a complete set of everything except the > !RunImage. It certainly works, I've just put together a Race Night programme for our PTA with it. They were very impressed with the quality. -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. Design and Print Work | email: OwlArt@argonet.co.uk | | Coming to you on an Acorn RiscPC SA110 | Snail: 100 Skegby Road, | | | Kirkby-in-Ashfield, | | Business Cards, Invites, Newsletters, | Nottingham. | | Booklets, Programmes, Original Artwork | NG17 9FF. U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:39:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88440 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917827151:10:10817:17; Sun, 31 Jan 99 23:59:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105453; 31 Jan 99 23:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA12853 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:40:21 GMT Received: from holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (kochanski.wn.planet.gen.nz [203.98.47.37]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA12840 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:39:58 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA09634 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40:58 +1300 (NZDT) >Received: by bridge.wn.planet.gen.nz (ReadNews 0.34); Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:00:48 +1300 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:00:47 +1300 From:(Julian Wright) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !Thesaurus Message-ID: References: Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Lines: 20 Received: from bridge by holly.wn.planet.gen.nz; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:40 NZD Content-Type: text Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Stephen Parkin writes: > I can access words before 'fir...' and things recover somewhere after 'fob', > although I haven't determined exactly where, as errors at this end of the > section cause the 'Filecore in use' error and I got sick of rebooting. Works fine for me. It sounds like a chunk of the data has been corrupted, and by the presence of the "Filecore in use" message I would suspect you may have a slightly corrupted disc map. Have you tried running fsck on your drive? You will almost certainly need to reinstall !Thesaurus from your original discs to fix this. Julian. -- This tagline mutilated by a demented nerd. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 17:40:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88446 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 17:39:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917872082:10:10607:15; Mon, 01 Feb 99 12:28:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010300; 1 Feb 99 12:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA13573 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:57 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA13568 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:41 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.134] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 107HwN-0004QZ-00; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:54:56 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:56:55 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Innocent abroad. To: User mailings Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I've been using Ovation Pro (2.46) for six months in a WP manner. Having more time on my hands I've started to explore it's other facilities. However, my first hurdle occurred when I set out to use !Labels. The 'Ovation Pro Applets' booklet supplied with the package says, on page 2 in section 2, Most of the Applets ........ are accessed through a new menu called Applets which is added to the bottom of the main menu. Not in my copy it ain't. Is there an FAQ area on-line anywhere that I can refer to as I continue to sample the new delights of Ovation Pro ? In the meantime has anyone a remedy for my current problem, please ? -- brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:05 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88485 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917896224:10:22554:20; Mon, 01 Feb 99 19:10:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022582; 1 Feb 99 19:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14049 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:48:03 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14041 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:42 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107ONy-0005bt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:50 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 99 18:32:07 GMT Message-Id: <88479@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Drawfile/Text to OP Frame X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Talk about having your arm twisted up your back. This is exactly what I am going to do to you all if this thread continues. ;-) Seriously, I think most people would prefer a bit more signal and/or a bit less noise. And whilst I'm in spoil sport mode, I'd like to encourage better quoting from messages. Less of the Me too! Please. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88486 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917897155:20:00138:21; Mon, 01 Feb 99 19:25:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112039; 1 Feb 99 19:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA14048 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:48:02 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA14037 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107ONx-0005bt-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 18:47:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 01 Feb 99 18:28:26 GMT Message-Id: <88477@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Innocent abroad. X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >The 'Ovation Pro Applets' booklet supplied with the package >says, on page 2 in section 2, Most of the Applets ........ are >accessed through a new menu called Applets which is added to the >bottom of the main menu. Not in my copy it ain't. The applets menu only appears when you have some applets that use the menu installed. I also seem to dimly recall that if you try to install some old (pre 2.46 'applets' - they were called library scripts then) they can upset this menu. >Is there an FAQ area on-line anywhere that I can refer to as I >continue to sample the new delights of Ovation Pro ? There are the archived postings to the maillist, which cover most things but are lengthy. There's also a FAQ at http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:10 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88488 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917897794:20:09701:15; Mon, 01 Feb 99 19:36:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101467; 1 Feb 99 19:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14187 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:16:52 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14179 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:16:37 GMT Received: from [158.152.73.37] (helo=spcap.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 107Opy-00028G-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:16:46 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:07:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Stephen Parkin Subject: Re: !Thesaurus To: OvationPro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Sun 31 Jan, Julian Wright wrote: > Works fine for me. > > It sounds like a chunk of the data has been corrupted, and by the > presence of the "Filecore in use" message I would suspect you may have > a slightly corrupted disc map. Have you tried running fsck on your > drive? No errors there. > You will almost certainly need to reinstall !Thesaurus from your > original discs to fix this. Unfortunately, it's the copy on the original disc that's faulty, so the ball goes over to Beebug... Thanks to all who've checked their copies. Regards, -- Stephen Parkin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 20:27:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88489 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:27:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917900101:10:10857:15; Mon, 01 Feb 99 20:15:01 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010698; 1 Feb 99 20:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA14451 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:55 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA14443 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:39 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 107PVc-0000i2-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 19:59:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:00:32 GMT Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 19:47:41 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Master page not updating in main doc Message-ID: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have an OP file that is causing trouble. On two occasions now with this file I have made changes on the master page, and the main document has not been updated(which is a single page). Going back to the master page shows the changes still in place. These cahnges have included position of frames and colour of text. The first time this happened I managed to get around the problem, but on this second occasion I can't remember what I did. Also it was posible to move a frame from the main document that was only on the master frame. Feels like a bug, or a document that has it's knickers in a twist. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 1 21:17:05 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88495 for opro ; Mon, 01 Feb 99 21:17:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917903460:20:29599:35; Mon, 01 Feb 99 21:11:00 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117258; 1 Feb 99 21:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA14601 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA14596 for ; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:43 GMT Received: from (194.69.97.171) [194.69.97.171] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 107QLv-0005g2-00; Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:53:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Owl-Art Un-Ltd." To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 20:49:57 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48cdb903eaowlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Non-printing Black User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Is it possible to set a colour for either text or frames to be non-printing black? eg. It would show on screen but not on the final printout? This would be handy for making little notes as you went along, or for putting reminders onto master pages (eg. "these columns xxmm wide")? Just a thought! -- http://www.argonet.co.uk/OwlArt/ +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ | Owl-Art Un-Ltd. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 18:14:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88573 for opro ; Tue, 02 Feb 99 18:13:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917979105:10:09286:15; Tue, 02 Feb 99 18:11:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1112974; 2 Feb 99 18:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA15494 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:53:54 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA15489 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 16:53:35 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop5-50.access.ch [195.112.73.242]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id RAA24766 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:53:46 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 17:45:10 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <48bc37c675df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 29 Dec, D.A.Symes wrote: > Well fellow Ov Pro users. A somewhat belated reaction as I had hoped someone would have a bright idea. snip > > As good as Ov Pro has become, there are still a few straight forward bits > and pieces that are needed, seriously needed. Is it not nice to have all these applets. And they do show on the menu! snip again > The other Index applet by David Breakwell is a good effort, but again > unfortunately I've yet to produce a satisfactory Index with it (probably > me being thick). > I find it cumbersome to use and can't understand half of what's supposed > to happen with it. I do not think so. But I would like to ask Mr Breakwell to have a non computer programmer write the manual. For persons having no technical roots this manual is partly comparable to an unknown language. It was only after printing the manual and painstakingly reading every letter, that I succeeded using this applet. The applet is nice. And it does work! A new manual, please Mr Breakwell, understandable for a computer nitwit as well. ):-)) Comments to the rest of Mr Symes mail I leave to others. Snip the rest Greetings JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 2 20:21:06 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88577 for opro ; Tue, 02 Feb 99 20:21:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917984586:20:17645:15; Tue, 02 Feb 99 19:43:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017006; 2 Feb 99 19:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA15688 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:26:31 GMT Received: from serv1.is1.u-net.net (serv1.is1.u-net.net [195.102.240.129]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA15683 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:26:15 GMT Received: from [195.102.196.166] (helo=parkroad.u-net.com) by serv1.is1.u-net.net with smtp (Exim 2.00 #2) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 107lRD-0004Ig-00; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 19:24:44 +0000 Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 20:32:12 +0000 (GMT) From: J W B Greenwood Subject: Re: Innocent abroad. To: User mailings In-Reply-To: <88477@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: J W B Greenwood BINGLEY West Yorkshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id TAB15688 On Mon 01 Feb, David Pilling wrote: >=20 > >The 'Ovation Pro Applets' booklet supplied with the package > >says, on page 2 in section 2, Most of the Applets ........ are > >accessed through a new menu called Applets which is added to the > >bottom of the main menu. Not in my copy it ain't. >=20 > The applets menu only appears when you have some applets that use > the menu installed. I also seem to dimly recall that if you=20 > try to install some old (pre 2.46 'applets' - they were called > library scripts then) they can upset this menu. > Lucky dip :-) =20 >=20 > >Is there an FAQ area on-line anywhere that I can refer to as I > >continue to sample the new delights of Ovation Pro ?=20 >=20 > There are the archived postings to the maillist, which cover most > things but are lengthy. There's also a FAQ at=20 >=20 > http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro >=20 >=20 Thank you very much; it looks as if some exciting times are coming up=A0:-) --=20 brooke@parkroad.u-net.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 3 01:50:14 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88588 for opro ; Wed, 03 Feb 99 01:50:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 917994878:10:17911:15; Tue, 02 Feb 99 22:34:38 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017786; 2 Feb 99 22:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA15983 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:16:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA15978 for ; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:16:25 GMT Received: from (193.149.91.108) [193.149.91.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 107o7h-000151-00; Tue, 2 Feb 1999 22:16:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 2 Feb 99 22:13:29 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 2 Feb 99 (17:45:10 +0100), janvredenb@access.ch wrote: >I do not think so. But I would like to ask Mr Breakwell to have a non >computer programmer write the manual. For persons having no technical >roots this manual is partly comparable to an unknown language. It was >only after printing the manual and painstakingly reading every letter, >that I succeeded using this applet. The applet is nice. And it does >work! > A new manual, please Mr Breakwell, understandable for a computer >nitwit as well. ):-)) > > The job is up for grabs - I'll give to support to anyone who wants to write one. Its always a problem - manual writing is an occupation in its own right and I am only a programmer! The last release of IdxPro (made just after Christmas) should have helped as it did tidy up a few confusing areas of the Applet and added interactive help. Alternatively blame Microsoft (Red Rag...) as the basic functionallity was originally modeled on the MS-Word Indexing tool. Contact me if you want support/have questions etc David Breakwell -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 16:55:13 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88695 for opro ; Thu, 04 Feb 99 16:55:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918140556:10:17169:34; Thu, 04 Feb 99 15:02:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016946; 4 Feb 99 15:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA17926 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:29:19 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA17921 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:29:03 GMT Received: from [158.152.123.49] (helo=retreat.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 108Pms-0007QB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:29:47 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:27:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Flip chart style pamphlet To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello I wonder if this has come up before. In trying to produce an A5 pamphlet hinged at the long edge where the long edge is also the top of a landscape page I've had problems. My solution was to create and A5 master page in portrait with the text frame created in landscape across the page and then rotated and moved to fit the guidelines. Pre-prepared text and pictures were imported into the rotated pages and moved about but had to be edited by reading the lines from bottom to top of screen. From the print dialogue pamphlet printing then went OK. Is there a more elegant way so I could look at pages landscape across screen and (say) invoke a "Rotate Pamphlet" applet to do the printing job for me? -- Malcolm Cowell IEng MIIE Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 19:08:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88707 for opro ; Thu, 04 Feb 99 19:08:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918153676:10:29557:16; Thu, 04 Feb 99 18:41:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029528; 4 Feb 99 18:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18174 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:01:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18169 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:00:58 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 108T5r-0004Ui-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:01:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:01:58 GMT Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 00:28:54 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Image resolution information Message-ID: <8dbbd4ce48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > Having read this mailist concerning Ovation Pro already giving output dpi > information I got a little confused. This version is not in v2.46, which is > what I had been using. i have jut upgraded to 2.51, and lo and behold this > information is there in the Picture Info box. > > I don't see much point in writing the applet anymore, unless anyone can come up > with some good features, then I'll do it. Well it is good to have the 'picture-> info' stuff but it would so much better if I could type in a writable icon(for a particular image): a)the resolution I desire and have the applet work out and insert the scaling required for the image; b)a scaling and have the applet show what resolution and dimemsions that would give with the current image c)the aspect ratio I desire, and have the applet tell me how that affects the resolution in the x and y plane d)the dimensions I desire and have the applet work out the scaling required and show what that would do to resolution. stuff along those lines would make life easier, because with sprites being rendered to 90dpi, it can sometimes be a bit of a pain getting the right scaling and dimensions. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 4 21:19:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88728 for opro ; Thu, 04 Feb 99 21:19:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918160862:10:28972:16; Thu, 04 Feb 99 20:41:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028910; 4 Feb 99 20:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA18409 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:22:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA18404 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:22:13 GMT Received: from [193.237.156.226] (helo=tarazen) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108VIi-00037M-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:23:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:04:01 +0000 From: Jon Keates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page not updating in main doc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Nature X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message Alan Muscat wrote: > I have an OP file that is causing trouble. > > On two occasions now with this file I have made changes > on the master page, and the main document has not > been updated(which is a single page). Going back to > the master page shows the changes still in place. > These cahnges have included position of frames and > colour of text. The first time this happened I managed > to get around the problem, but on this second occasion > I can't remember what I did. Also it was posible to move > a frame from the main document that was only on the master > frame. > > Feels like a bug, or a document that has it's knickers > in a twist. > try inserting a new page before page one, if that conforms to your Master Page layout then delete the old one. If the problem persists in the doc then save as ddl and reload into a new document created from scratch. It happened to me a few times, all the files were created from the same Master Doc, which must have been corrupted. -- Jon -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 16:26:00 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88780 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 16:25:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918230931:10:00160:18; Fri, 05 Feb 99 16:08:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029832; 5 Feb 99 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA19190 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:15 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.17]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA19185 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:03 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-99.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.99]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27292 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:57 GMT Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:20:42 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Newer Version error To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I have many OvPro files saved in a !Squirrel database which I access by keywords. The last one I tried to access in this way gave me an error: 'File produced by a newer version of Ovpro can't be loaded'. I am using 2.51 - how can this be? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 18:14:59 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88802 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 18:14:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918236162:20:21550:25; Fri, 05 Feb 99 17:36:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116356; 5 Feb 99 17:35 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA19380 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:48:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA19371 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:48:24 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108oRX-0005aw-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:49:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 05 Feb 99 16:36:00 GMT Message-Id: <88792@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Newer Version error X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I have many OvPro files saved in a !Squirrel database which I access by >keywords. The last one I tried to access in this way gave me an error: 'File >produced by a newer version of Ovpro can't be loaded'. I am using 2.51 - how >can this be? Sounds to me like you have an old copy of OPro somewhere which is being fired up when you attempt to load a file this way. Or that files are being corrupted. Again I don't know all the details but saving to disc and then loading may be safer than some sort of inter application transfer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 19:27:16 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88817 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 19:27:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918242306:20:15417:17; Fri, 05 Feb 99 19:18:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110090; 5 Feb 99 19:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19604 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:39:37 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19595 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:39:21 GMT Received: from [194.222.12.18] (helo=DELL_p450.mk-net.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108qAu-0003oU-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:40:21 +0000 Message-ID: <3xbUkDAVlzu2EwFB@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:32:53 +0000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch writes >On Thu 04 Feb, Malcolm Cowell wrote: >> >> Is there a more elegant way so I could look at pages landscape across >> screen and (say) invoke a "Rotate Pamphlet" applet to do the printing >> job for me? > >I do not believe this is the solution. You should start with a landscape >page which then must be "flipped", if I understand you correctly. > Yep, what you do (I use it for producing wide tables "sideways" in a portrait document) is to create a text frame of the required size, extending over the edges of the page. If you have a sufficiently wide pasteboard, you can still see the edges. Do all your stuff in that frame, and then simply rotate it by 90 or 180 degrees, as appropriate, and position it appropriately in your document. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | http:www.mk-net.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 5 19:28:03 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88819 for opro ; Fri, 05 Feb 99 19:27:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918240304:10:06875:49; Fri, 05 Feb 99 18:45:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006835; 5 Feb 99 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA19524 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:02:15 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA19519 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:02:01 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-100.access.ch [195.112.93.228]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id TAA02740 for ; Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:02:50 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:08:23 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet To: Ovation mail list In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 04 Feb, Malcolm Cowell wrote: > > Hello > > I wonder if this has come up before. In trying to produce an A5 pamphlet > hinged at the long edge where the long edge is also the top of a landscape > page I've had problems. The size is not important. I have wanted this a long time for A4. With my DM printer I have found ways to have the reverse side of a document printed upside down, so that you can "flip-over" pages bound on the long edge. This is especially useful if calculations are included over multiple pages. The printing out of a spreadsheet for example. With a laser printer it can be done (turn paper upside down and turn it 180 degrees) but the main problem is that the height of the top margin on the rear side has the size of the bottom margin on the front side. It can be corrected by changing x and/or y offsets, but that is tiresome. What we need is a "flip-over" printing next to double-sided etc. But... In OPro 2.51 the printer menu has an icon stating "Reflect". Unknown in Opro's manual. So what does this do? Can anyone explain, please? snip > Is there a more elegant way so I could look at pages landscape across > screen and (say) invoke a "Rotate Pamphlet" applet to do the printing > job for me? I do not believe this is the solution. You should start with a landscape page which then must be "flipped", if I understand you correctly. Greetings, JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 6 14:32:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88844 for opro ; Sat, 06 Feb 99 14:32:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918273985:20:20695:15; Sat, 06 Feb 99 04:06:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124986; 6 Feb 99 4:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA20156 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:29:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id DAA20151 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:29:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 108yRd-0006R6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 03:30:09 +0000 Date: Sat, 06 Feb 99 01:53:45 GMT Message-Id: <88836@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >But... In OPro 2.51 the printer menu has an icon stating "Reflect". Unknown >in Opro's manual. So what does this do? Can anyone explain, please? According to interactive help "If this option is selected, pages are printed as mirror-images." As to the problem, how to get a landscape A5 document printed across A4. One simple suggestion is to use the thumbnails option. You would have to sort out page ordering yourself - and the 'backs' would be upside down. In general the problem is imposition. The solution is to take the existing pamphlet script and modify it to do what you want. >With a laser printer it can be done (turn paper upside down and turn it 180 >degrees) but the main problem is that the height of the top margin on the >rear side has the size of the bottom margin on the front side. It can be >corrected by changing x and/or y offsets, but that is tiresome. >What we need is a "flip-over" printing next to double-sided etc. I agree. In the imposition terminology it's the difference between 'turn' and 'turn and tumble'. But you might do as well to set up printing to centre on the paper, or define a paper size for the printer which has equal top and bottom margins. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Feb 6 14:33:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88854 for opro ; Sat, 06 Feb 99 14:33:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918310319:20:04347:15; Sat, 06 Feb 99 14:11:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100716; 6 Feb 99 14:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA20710 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:41:54 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA20704 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:41:29 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop8-88.access.ch [195.112.69.216]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id OAA05836 for ; Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:42:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:28:52 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Flip chart style pamphlet To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <3xbUkDAVlzu2EwFB@mk-net.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 05 Feb, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Jhr > JMAH van Vredenburch writes > >On Thu 04 Feb, Malcolm Cowell wrote: snip > Yep, what you do (I use it for producing wide tables "sideways" in a > portrait document) is to create a text frame of the required size, > extending over the edges of the page. If you have a sufficiently wide > pasteboard, you can still see the edges. Do all your stuff in that > frame, and then simply rotate it by 90 or 180 degrees, as appropriate, > and position it appropriately in your document. A nice solution for a few pages. But if you have many pages (I have one document of 63 pages) this is tiresome. Especially if the text must flow from one page to the next. And that through all 63 pages. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:34:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88884 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:34:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918404268:20:15961:15; Sun, 07 Feb 99 16:17:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111333; 7 Feb 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA22227 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:57 GMT Received: from sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk [195.7.224.43]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA22222 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:02:43 GMT Received: from jwoodthorpe.ndirect.co.uk (th-usr00-18.ndirect.co.uk [195.7.226.18]) by sioux.hosts.netdirect.net.uk (8.9.2/8.9.2/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id QAA28506 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:04:04 GMT Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 16:03:35 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rob, On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? > > I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an > error that starts: > > The area of memory reserved for fonts is full > > I've got Fontmax set to 1020K so there should be lots spare. I'm also using > Font Directory Pro from LookSystems and this shows only 264K in use. > > If I then try to print again (it is a one page A4 poster) it prints OK > but with two letters missing from the main heading! > Aha, my specialist subject! To repeat my posting on this of last November: I found that some of my fonts are a little "naughty" and are conspiring with OvPro to produce this (i.e. no other application and only a few fonts combine to cause it). Check your fonts for some (probably PD) that you are using in oblique. I now do the following: 1. Hide all my fonts to a directory the filer won't "see" 2. Reboot 3. Load the file into OvPro, letting it reflow all the fonts to new ones (and noting the ones it wants at the same time). It helps to disable the Auto Save at this point!!! 4. Try printing the document. 5. If that prints without complaining, then you can put all the fonts back, apart from the oblique ones (italic ones seem OK in my experience) and try again from step 2. 6. If that works too, then one of your oblique fonts is dodgy in some way. I found that Ladybird and Revue (sources unknown) have done it for me. I used MkOblique 1.18 (by Martyn Rose, from an AU Cover Disc in 1993 - I think) to rebuild them and the error has gone away. Let me know and I'll email it to you as it seems to be PD. N.B. Even if the font is no longer used in the document, it may still be used, and hence loaded into the template or the document itself. Of course, none of that may be the case for you, but it's got me out a few nasty moments! Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. ArmLink: The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://www.armlink.ndirect.co.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:35:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88890 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:35:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918421459:20:29550:16; Sun, 07 Feb 99 21:04:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117694; 7 Feb 99 21:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22843 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:47:41 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22836 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:47:27 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 109b8N-0004LC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:48:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:49:34 GMT Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:27:36 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Master page not updating in main doc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > In message > Alan Muscat wrote: > > > I have an OP file that is causing trouble. > > > > On two occasions now with this file I have made changes > > on the master page, and the main document has not > > been updated(which is a single page). Going back to > > the master page shows the changes still in place. > > These cahnges have included position of frames and > > colour of text. The first time this happened I managed > > to get around the problem, but on this second occasion > > I can't remember what I did. Also it was posible to move > > a frame from the main document that was only on the master > > frame. > > > > Feels like a bug, or a document that has it's knickers > > in a twist. > > > try inserting a new page before page one, if that conforms to your > Master Page layout then delete the old one. Ahh. I delted the offending doc and rebuilt it, so I can't test this, but I shall if it happens again. > > If the problem persists in the doc then save as ddl and reload into a > new document created from scratch. I did do this earlier, and found that one of the frames moved to the right place, while the other moved to a worse place. > > It happened to me a few times, all the files were created from the same > Master Doc, which must have been corrupted. Thanks for your suggestions. -- Alan Muscat email: alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:35:38 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88897 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:35:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918462484:20:00494:18; Mon, 08 Feb 99 08:28:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109285; 8 Feb 99 8:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA23506 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:05:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA23501 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:05:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.200.200] (helo=xxxpiper.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 109lgx-0007fj-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:05:16 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by xxxpiper.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:04:18 GMT Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:04:11 +0000 From: "J.V.Parker" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: remove Message-ID: <2059c6d048%jvp@xxxpiper.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro -- J.V.Parker -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:35:39 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88896 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:35:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918384543:10:10520:15; Sun, 07 Feb 99 10:49:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113867; 7 Feb 99 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA21770 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:32:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA21765 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:32:43 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.48) [193.149.69.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 109RXO-0005k8-00; Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:34:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 7 Feb 99 (10:33:18 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Font Memory - something wierd going on! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an error that starts: The area of memory reserved for fonts is full I've got Fontmax set to 1020K so there should be lots spare. I'm also using Font Directory Pro from LookSystems and this shows only 264K in use. If I then try to print again (it is a one page A4 poster) it prints OK but with two letters missing from the main heading! -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 17:37:58 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88926 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 17:37:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918490056:10:05495:15; Mon, 08 Feb 99 16:07:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114134; 8 Feb 99 16:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA24107 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:22:42 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA24102 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:22:27 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:21:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:20:00 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d135a897C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Subject: Disappearing fonts User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On a number of ocassions I have had the following problem. A multipage document with a number of embedded draw files. Printing the whole document to a postscript printer gives no problem. However, printing a selection of pages, e.g. 35 - 43 say, results in the text in the drawfiles (Homerton in this case) being substituted with corpus/Courier. However, if you print a range including page 1, (e.g. 1, 35 to 43) then the correct fonts are printed. If there are any Tablemate tables present, then the same happens to them, all the fonts being replaced with corpus/courier. The odd thing is, that if the same draw files contain greek symbols as well, these remain, even tho' the homerton has been substituted with corpus. I never have any problem printing to an inkjet, and the above postscript problem does not happen all the time. It is almost as if the font translation is sometimes being forgotten when page 1 is not printed as part of the job. Has anyone else seen anything like this? -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Feb 8 20:48:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88965 for opro ; Mon, 08 Feb 99 20:48:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918504053:20:20165:15; Mon, 08 Feb 99 20:00:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127557; 8 Feb 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA24528 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:40:50 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA24522 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:40:34 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop9-33.access.ch [195.112.93.161]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id UAA01544 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:40:42 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:34:19 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 02 Feb, Mr Breakwell wrote: > On Tue 2 Feb 99 (17:45:10 +0100), janvredenb@access.ch wrote: snip > The job is up for grabs - I'll give to support to anyone who wants to write snip again > Contact me if you want support/have questions etc Maybe I missed something. Your manual has a chapter "Tutorial". But it is an empty page. Not, I believe my mistake, as this was the case in both cases when I downloaded the applet ( the 2nd time becuase of the empty chapter) This tutorial is important. At present te manual is not to clear how one must select (a group of) words to include in the index. JohnvV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 01:34:11 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA88995 for opro ; Tue, 09 Feb 99 01:34:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918516145:20:14758:15; Mon, 08 Feb 99 23:22:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2110951; 8 Feb 99 23:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA24843 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:32 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA24838 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:19 GMT Received: from (193.149.84.109) [193.149.84.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 109zoy-0006QF-00; Mon, 8 Feb 1999 23:10:29 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 8 Feb 99 (19:14:10 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Fwd:Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 7 Feb 99 (11:13:05 +0000), rmking@argonet.co.uk wrote: >In article , > Rob Hemmings wrote: >> Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? > >> I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an >> error that starts: > >> The area of memory reserved for fonts is full > >> I've got Fontmax set to 1020K so there should be lots spare. I'm >> also using Font Directory Pro from LookSystems and this shows only 264K in >> use. > >Hello Rob, > >I would suspect that the font you are using in your main heading is the >culprit, especially if it is of PD origin. I have experienced similar >error messages with such fonts. > >Try selecting another header font in your document, re-boot your >computer and print the document out again. Thanks for the (very quick!) help - it solved the problem. The strange thing is that I've definitely printed the same poster in the past without any problem (about a year ago). The font is Europe which actually came with OvationPro. It also prints OK using the Arcfax printer driver to print to the screen. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Feb 9 13:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89012 for opro ; Tue, 09 Feb 99 13:04:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918540726:20:06955:16; Tue, 09 Feb 99 06:12:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121809; 9 Feb 99 6:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA25170 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:00:07 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk (root@irwell.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.48]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA25165 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 05:59:52 GMT Received: from Dave..zetnet.co.uk (manr-012.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.43.142]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA24011 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 1999 06:00:05 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d14ce238davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10a for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Non-printing Black In-Reply-To: <48cdb903eaowlart@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48cdb903eaowlart@argonet.co.uk>, Owl-Art Un-Ltd. wrote: > Is it possible to set a colour for either text or frames to be > non-printing black? eg. It would show on screen but not on the final > printout? This would be handy for making little notes as you went along, > or for putting reminders onto master pages (eg. "these columns xxmm > wide")? > Just a thought! Define a new colour as a black spot colour. Type in your notes using this. If you are printing litho then they won't show as presumeably you will not produce a film for black spot. If outputting to a laser printer or similar then edit the black in the spot colour to white before printing. Dave -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 14:01:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89102 for opro ; Wed, 10 Feb 99 14:01:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918636186:20:08691:16; Wed, 10 Feb 99 08:43:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008568; 10 Feb 99 8:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA26520 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:43:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA26515 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:42:51 GMT Received: from (193.149.68.196) [193.149.68.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 10AUIb-0005YC-00; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:43:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 9 Feb 99 20:00:04 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >Maybe I missed something. Your manual has a chapter "Tutorial". But it >is an empty page. Not, I believe my mistake, as this was the case in >both cases when I downloaded the applet ( the 2nd time becuase of the >empty chapter) > >This tutorial is important. At present te manual is not to clear how >one >must select (a group of) words to include in the index. > > JohnvV > I never managed to write a tutorial - unfortunately time constraints always tend to mean that I extend the functionality rather than write the tutorial. Secondly I am not particularly good at writing user documentation (I tend to assume to much and what appears obvious to me eludes everyone else). In this light and agreeing with the comments about poor documentation I am suggesting that someone else takes on the task. I can then finish off my frame creation applet as posted here late last month... David -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Feb 10 22:05:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89145 for opro ; Wed, 10 Feb 99 22:05:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918680986:20:23406:25; Wed, 10 Feb 99 21:09:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023582; 10 Feb 99 21:09 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA27470 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:38:32 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA27465 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:38:13 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-52.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.183] with SMTP for id VAA03908 (8.8.8/1.14); Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:38:42 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:28:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson wrote: >On a number of ocassions I have had the following problem. > >A multipage document with a number of embedded draw files. Printing the >whole document to a postscript printer gives no problem. However, printing >a selection of pages, e.g. 35 - 43 say, results in the text in the >drawfiles (Homerton in this case) being substituted with corpus/Courier. >However, if you print a range including page 1, (e.g. 1, 35 to 43) then >the correct fonts are printed. If there are any Tablemate tables present, >then the same happens to them, all the fonts being replaced with >corpus/courier. The odd thing is, that if the same draw files contain >greek symbols as well, these remain, even tho' the homerton has been >substituted with corpus. I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer resident fonts. In Impression you can create a list of fonts, used in the document. Fonts, only used in the embedded graphics are not listed. Most of the time. They also are not mentioned in the PostScript files. Most of the time. Since I discovered this inconsistence, I always take care to use all the fonts of the graphics in text frames, which I create in my document BEFORE the graphics files. Sometimes in little text frames in the bleed, sometimes white text in white frames between the black printable text. The opposite occurres also from time to time: fonts used in earlier (Artwork?) files, but not in the present, are being asked for. I work around these (not used, but requested) fonts by mapping all these fonts to a printer resident font eg. Helvetica to get rid of them. > >I never have any problem printing to an inkjet, and the above postscript >problem does not happen all the time. It is almost as if the font >translation is sometimes being forgotten when page 1 is not printed as >part of the job. > I don't know why the font translation can't be trusted. I always print to file first and control the way the fonts are listed. (mrs) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 14:05:44 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89177 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:05:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918726984:20:00035:28; Thu, 11 Feb 99 09:56:24 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100453; 11 Feb 99 9:55 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA27907 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:27 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.150.22]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27898 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:05 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: ovationpro Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:25:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d2a0b0dfC.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua>, Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files > (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained > fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. > This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer > resident fonts. At least I am not alone. You are correct. The disappearing font (Homerton), was not used in the main text of the document, but only in the embedded drawfiles. It is still odd that printing page 1 every time seems to cure it even when Homerton is not used on page 1. If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 14:05:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89179 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:05:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918729752:20:22684:17; Thu, 11 Feb 99 10:42:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022085; 11 Feb 99 10:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28008 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:01:58 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA28002 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:01:41 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10Aswy-00013k-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:24 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10Aswv-0000cs-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:21 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:19 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA2A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:02:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just for my 2p's worth, I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the problems. (ov. pro. 2.51 + CC Turbo driver + patched config file + epson stylus colour !) Any fix? Thanks, Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Johnson [SMTP > Sent: 11 February 1999 09:25 > To: ovationpro > Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts > > In article <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > > > I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files > > (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained > > fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. > > This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer > > resident fonts. > > At least I am not alone. You are correct. The disappearing font > (Homerton), was not used in the main text of the document, but only in the > embedded drawfiles. It is still odd that printing page 1 every time seems > to cure it even when Homerton is not used on page 1. > > If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font > manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) > mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) > ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 17:13:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89198 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 17:13:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918746471:10:29708:19; Thu, 11 Feb 99 15:21:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1029611; 11 Feb 99 15:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA28356 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:40:10 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA28351 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:39:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10AxID-0006c1-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:40:37 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 99 14:26:02 GMT Message-Id: <89191@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font >manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be downloaded. If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come back. >Just for my 2p's worth, >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the >problems. A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been specific to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ stuff about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to everything not just text in an AW file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 17:13:31 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89200 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 17:13:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918749584:10:09758:21; Thu, 11 Feb 99 16:13:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009170; 11 Feb 99 16:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA28422 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:12:53 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA28417 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:12:39 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10Axnw-0007QO-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:24 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10Axnt-00012m-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:21 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:19 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA38@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:13:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I followed your patching advice (previously offered) to solve the "banding" reagarement of graphics with the turbodrivers, which it did indeed cure. However this text disapearing problem still occurs from time to time.... If it is any help , it last happened when there was NO text native to OV, it wall only in embered Artworks graphics. Any ideas? Thanks, Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > Sent: 11 February 1999 14:26 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts > > > >If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font > >manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > > Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... > > There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the > printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document > as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the > PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be > downloaded. > > If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see > that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between > printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. > > At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come back. > > > > >Just for my 2p's worth, > >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout > >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the > >problems. > > A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been > specific > to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. > > I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ stuff > about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to everything > not just text in an AW file. > > > > > David Pilling > > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. > UK. > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 18:11:44 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89216 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 18:11:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918753882:10:06460:15; Thu, 11 Feb 99 17:24:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006197; 11 Feb 99 17:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA28564 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:31 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA28559 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:06 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 10AyhX-0000nP-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:51 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 10AyhT-0002UB-00; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:47 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:46 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA3A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:10:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Opps! Sorry, my spell checker got caried away! I ment, the only text present was in embeded artworks files. :-o Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: REEVES-HALL, PC [SMTP > Sent: 11 February 1999 15:13 > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > Subject: RE: Disappearing fonts > > I followed your patching advice (previously offered) to solve the > "banding" > reagarement of graphics with the turbodrivers, which it did indeed cure. > However this text disapearing problem still occurs from time to time.... > > If it is any help , it last happened when there was NO text native to OV, > it wall only in embered Artworks graphics. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk [SMTP > > Sent: 11 February 1999 14:26 > > To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts > > > > > > >If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font > > >manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > > > > Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... > > > > There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the > > printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document > > as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the > > PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be > > downloaded. > > > > If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see > > that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between > > printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. > > > > At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come > back. > > > > > > > > >Just for my 2p's worth, > > >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout > > >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures > the > > >problems. > > > > A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been > > specific > > to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. > > > > I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ > stuff > > about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to > everything > > not just text in an AW file. > > > > > > > > > > David Pilling > > > > -- > > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 > 1LR. > > UK. > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Feb 11 21:22:26 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89221 for opro ; Thu, 11 Feb 99 21:22:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918767069:20:24704:11564; Thu, 11 Feb 99 21:04:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100975; 11 Feb 99 18:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28781 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:38:06 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28767 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:37:31 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-02.access.ch [195.112.73.2]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id SAA07313 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:38:14 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:39:36 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fwd:Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAA28768 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id RAB28781 On Thu 11 Feb, Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch wrote: snip > Have you by any chance added some weights to the original font as inclu= ded > with OP for example using FontTrix Pro or something similar? The origui= nal > font as supplied by Beebug has full outline files for all weights/fonts= but > those added by FontTrixPro have a text file instead of an outline file.= This > text file has the main font's name followed by "\M" and then 6 numbers.= I=FF t > could be that OP dislikes these files. >=20 > John P.S. I just discovered that "FontView" (=A9 Beebug 1994) also hates these tex= t files. Some weights are shown properly, some only show a few characters. A solution for this problem (using iSV's DrFonty) is outside this mailing list. JohnvV --=20 JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) =2E -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 01:04:55 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89234 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:04:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918778213:20:13888:542; Fri, 12 Feb 99 00:10:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018945; 11 Feb 99 18:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA28780 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:38:06 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA28771 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:37:33 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-02.access.ch [195.112.73.2]) by mail.access.ch (8.9.2/INA-1.1pri) with SMTP id SAA07348 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:38:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:33:22 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Fwd:Re: Font Memory - something wierd going on! To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > On Sun 7 Feb 99 (11:13:05 +0000), rmking@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >In article , > > Rob Hemmings wrote: > >> Can anyone help - this seems bizarre? > > > >> I've just been trying to print a document from OvationPro and had an > >> error that starts: snip > The strange thing is that I've definitely printed the same poster in the past > without any problem (about a year ago). The font is Europe which actually came > with OvationPro. It also prints OK using the Arcfax printer driver to print to > the screen. Have you by any chance added some weights to the original font as included with OP for example using FontTrix Pro or something similar? The origuinal font as supplied by Beebug has full outline files for all weights/fonts but those added by FontTrixPro have a text file instead of an outline file. This text file has the main font's name followed by "\M" and then 6 numbers. It could be that OP dislikes these files. John -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 01:04:58 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89235 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:04:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918778805:20:13998:1127; Fri, 12 Feb 99 00:20:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018864; 12 Feb 99 0:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA29420 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:46:26 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29409 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:45:58 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-46.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.177] with SMTP for id AAA14508 (8.8.8/1.14); Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:46:45 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <013701be5618$96bff940$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:53:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote > >>If Impression exhibits similar symptoms, then it is presumably a font >>manager/printer driver problem and not Ovation Pro itself. > >Not so fast, I can't have someone else taking the credit... > >There have been problems in this area. At an early stage in the >printing process, OPro has to scan all the vector files in a document >as well as the text that is going to be printed, and declare to the >PostScript printer which fonts are needed, so that they can be >downloaded. > >If you look back though the logs of changes to OPro, you should see >that this problem has come and gone. There's a trade off between >printing speed and how hard one looks for the fonts. > >At any rate there is a possibility of this being a bug that has come back. > If you want or need to convert OvationPro-files to PDF-files via printing to a PostScript file, the problem of disappearing of fonts is not limited to printers and printing speed. It's another handicap if you want compatibility and easy exchange between platforms. (mrs) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 02:18:50 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89240 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:18:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918783314:20:12146:1089; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:35:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121206; 12 Feb 99 0:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA29421 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:46:30 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA29410 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:45:59 GMT Received: from padua by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-46.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.177] with SMTP for id AAA14511 (8.8.8/1.14); Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:46:47 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <013801be5618$9791c830$0100000a@padua> From: "Tonnie Demarteau" To: Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:44:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Chris Johnson wrote: >In article <021b01be5535$27774c70$0100000a@padua>, > Tonnie Demarteau wrote: > >> I have encountered similar problems with embedded graphic files >> (Artworks/Draw) and postscript printing. All these graphics contained >> fonts, which I had not used in text frames earlier in the document. >> This happened in Ovation(Pro) and in Impression. Even with the printer >> resident fonts. > >At least I am not alone. You are correct. The disappearing font >(Homerton), was not used in the main text of the document, but only in the >embedded drawfiles. It is still odd that printing page 1 every time seems >to cure it even when Homerton is not used on page 1. My guess: it is a combination of Homerton.Medium being the basestyle of a default OvationPro document and starting a document with page 1. Even if you define another bodystyle it can be related to Homerton.Medium in the first stage/page. Artworks demands AvantG(arde) to be present. In Artworks files this font can be hidden, even if not used. In that case, opening an Ovation/Pro/Impression document which contains Artwork-files, can cause the DTP-program to ask for this font presumed AvantG(arde) is not present in the font cache ... (mrs) Tonnie Demarteau - the Netherlands -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 02:18:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89242 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:18:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918784003:20:26389:27; Fri, 12 Feb 99 01:46:43 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad2109969; 12 Feb 99 0:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA29540 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:15:28 GMT Received: from mutt.eurobell.net (qmailr@mutt.eurobell.net [212.24.65.70]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA29534 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:15:14 GMT Received: (qmail 19932 invoked from network); 12 Feb 1999 00:16:03 -0000 Received: from 66-234.cr.access.eurobell.co.uk (HELO pebbles.eurobell.co.uk) (212.24.66.234) by mutt.eurobell.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 1999 00:16:03 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:16:07 +0000 From: "Brian O'Carroll" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts Message-ID: <4ecccbd248%pebbles@eurobell.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <89191@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Pebblesculpt X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60k Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <89191@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > >I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on printout > >when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to paths cures the > >problems. > > A completely different problem I'd say. All the previous stuff has been specific > to PostScript printing, very different to a Turbo bitmap printer driver. > > I've not heard of your problem before. Obviously there's all the FAQ stuff > about CC drivers and irregular frames, but that would apply to everything > not just text in an AW file. I've had (almost) exactly the same problem. I had one irregular frame in a document and only that one refused to include the text... except... ....for some strange reason two text items _were_ printed in that frame! The other two dozen had vanished. Lots of other shapes appeared as usual. The two text items that did print differed from almost all the other text: One was larger than the rest and the other was in red, but both were still text, not paths. The fonts I was using in this frame were various weights of Trinity and a Bold version of a font resident on the Typography CD (version 1). Other frames containing Typography fonts appeared correctly. Making that irregular frame rectangular again cured the problem completely. 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To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:47:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48d2ea2080owlart@argonet.co.uk> Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts User-Agent: Pluto/1.10g (RISC-OS/3.7) In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA2A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26E1FA2A@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk>, "REEVES-HALL, PC" wrote: > I' have problems with text in Artworks pictures disapearing on > printout when in an iregular/rotated frame. Converting the text to > paths cures the problems. > (ov. pro. 2.51 + CC Turbo driver + patched config file + epson stylus > colour !) Sounds like a Turbo Driver problem. In the Printer Configure Dialogue (shift click on the printer icon), choose Set by the Halftones box and untick Halftone Text. 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U.K. | +----------------------------------------+---------------------------------+ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Feb 12 13:40:46 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA89246 for opro ; Fri, 12 Feb 99 13:40:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 918789253:10:13525:16; Fri, 12 Feb 99 03:14:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1102022; 12 Feb 99 3:13 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA29862 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:53:12 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA29857 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:53:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10B8jm-0003I4-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Feb 1999 02:53:50 +0000 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 99 02:20:13 GMT Message-Id: <89244@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Disappearing fonts X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro