From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 13:58:16 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86972 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 13:58:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915175847:10:24517:23; Fri, 01 Jan 99 07:30:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024493; 1 Jan 99 7:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA06774 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA06769 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:19:21 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.67) [193.149.77.67] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zvysW-0004Up-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 07:20:13 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 16:16:52 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Dec 98 (11:37:39 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >With more I/O filters I could use OP exclusively, and I'm sure other >Acorn users would turn to it as it would allow them to work across >platforms. Indeed: I've always thought that the best way we could use our platform in conjunction with the Real World would be to have the facility to use the same files that everyone elses uses, and transparently load and save them, whether in the field of DTP, graphics, or - as we can (more or less) on the internet. And I would endorse the plea from a previous poster who called for liason with Iota about Word import/export. We've *got* to become more 'compatible'... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 13:58:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86973 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 13:58:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915186693:10:20604:16; Fri, 01 Jan 99 10:31:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020508; 1 Jan 99 10:31 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA06956 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:22:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA06951 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:22:25 GMT Received: from (193.149.88.139) [193.149.88.139] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw1ji-0005PQ-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:23:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "J.M. Gray" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:23:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd88b962jmgray@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? Just downloaded it (in hope) and tried it on recently received 'Word' files and got the error message 'Document is too old for this versiom of TransWord' Are there alternatives to TransWord which may give me access to these files? Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:02 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86976 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915202211:20:07534:15; Fri, 01 Jan 99 14:50:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007438; 1 Jan 99 14:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA07243 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:41:03 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA07238 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:40:46 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp137112.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.112]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA10322 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 03:38:48 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost at Sat,02 Jan 1999.02:40:48 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 02:36:03 +1300 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Message-ID: <47609abd48.julian@illusio.milieu.org.nz> References: <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.75a (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48bd2fa82arayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > In article <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with > > that? > > It works very well, for what it does - load Word files into OP. What > we also desperately need is a means of getting files out of OP into a > useable format for other applications. A good start would be an RTF > saver, either directly from OP or an RFT converter for DDL files. I'm not convinced that it's worth spending too much time on RTF. RTF == Rich Text Format, and it's exactly that, a rich -text- file. It's possibly useful for transferring wordprocessed files, but as a DTP interchange format it's (in my opinion) less than useless. Keeping text styles avoids the tedium of reapplication, but the thing I can never `be bothered doing' when transferring files is re-laying it out. For substantial documents such as books it may be more useful - I don't do things that large - but for things of a few pages there's far more work involved in redesigning the layout. Which is not to say that RTF import/export isn't useful, just that I think there are more useful things that could be achieved with those resources. -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:08 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86979 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:50:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915205530:20:23808:15; Fri, 01 Jan 99 15:45:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2108749; 1 Jan 99 15:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07455 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:34:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07450 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:34:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.94.212) [193.149.94.212] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw6bx-0000Id-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:35:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - root address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 15:34:14 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 1 Jan 99 (10:23:14 +0000), jmgray@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Just downloaded it (in hope) and tried it on recently received 'Word' >files and got the error message > >'Document is too old for this versiom of TransWord' > >Are there alternatives to TransWord which may give me access to these >files? > >Jeremy > Jeremy, I've been using AntiWord by Adri van Os for extracting the text from Word documents. It seems very reliable, though I have only used it for extracting from Word97 documents. It displays the text with some of the layout and text effects. As yet it can only save out as a Text file. It is under continous development and the author is looking for testers. It's beta and it's free from http://www.winfield.demon.nl/index.html HTH Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:09 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86980 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:50:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915204479:10:11409:15; Fri, 01 Jan 99 15:27:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129892; 1 Jan 99 15:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07374 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07369 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:13:55 GMT Received: from usero789.uk.uudial.com (argonet.co.uk) [193.149.90.43] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw6Hr-000042-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:14:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bda2f521rmking@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro The ability to create rules as part of a style. This is one area where I have to resort to using Publisher to achieve such effect in documents. Best wishes, Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Jan 1 16:50:11 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA86981 for opro ; Fri, 01 Jan 99 16:50:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915205813:10:23653:17; Fri, 01 Jan 99 15:50:13 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127385; 1 Jan 99 15:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA07544 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:41:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA07538 for ; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:41:01 GMT Received: from (193.149.89.20) [193.149.89.20] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zw6i5-0000QD-00; Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:41:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard - main address) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 15:40:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 1 Jan 99 (15:34:14), badger.set@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I've been using AntiWord by Adri van Os for extracting the text from >Word documents. It seems very reliable, though I have only used it for >extracting from Word97 documents. > >It displays the text with some of the layout and text effects. As yet >it can only save out as a Text file. Sorry all, I'd forgotten that AntiWord can also save out as a Draw file. Richard. -- Richard Brock and Badger Publishing Specialising in individualised stationery and certificates badger.publishing@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:32 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87017 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915264904:20:22886:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:15:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124000; 2 Jan 99 8:15 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA08424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:54:16 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA08419 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:54:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.176.98] (helo=cowark.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwLto-00001h-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 07:55:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "A. M. Smith" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bd898a86mike@cowark.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: <48bd061e0bsps@pennic.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: to David Pilling large snip . . . >If however there is some way in > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > continued development please could you let us know. > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > scene over the years. Happy New Year. I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support your work*, David Mike Smith -- A. M. Smith at the Centre of the Kingdom -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87018 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915267137:10:09090:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 08:52:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100628; 2 Jan 99 8:52 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA08571 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:43:48 GMT Received: from copper.singnet.com.sg (copper.singnet.com.sg [165.21.7.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA08566 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 08:43:35 GMT Received: from revilo.singnet.com.sg (qtas0141.singnet.com.sg [165.21.56.51]) by copper.singnet.com.sg (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA29291 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:44:38 +0800 (SGT) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:43:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Oliver Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <48bd898a86mike@cowark.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ian Oliver, (65) 468-0760. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > to David Pilling >If however there is some way in > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > continued development please could you let us know. Absolutely. Thanks and happy new year. -- Ian Oliver Person of that ilk http://members.easyspace.com/toucan/Index.html -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:48 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87025 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915270595:10:11463:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 09:49:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118144; 2 Jan 99 9:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA08729 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:38:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA08724 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:38:41 GMT Received: from (193.149.69.76) [193.149.69.76] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zwNX7-0003wW-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 09:39:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 1 Jan 99 (10:28:12 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'd very much like to see proper paragraph and section numbering - I'm also very happy to pay for new features. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:25:52 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87024 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915274841:20:08291:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 11:00:41 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008005; 2 Jan 99 11:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA08928 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:48:43 GMT Received: from smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (asset2-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA08923 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:48:25 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.60.216]) by smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA9797 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:49:31 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 10:47:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: Survival of OP To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <48bd061e0bsps@pennic.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Bernard G. Hill, Telephone/Fax:01633 880197 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Thu 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > In article <86876@pilling.demon.co.uk>, > David Pilling wrote: > > > >I wonder If someone@beebug might like to put as all in the picture, about > > >the direction that Ov Pro is... or is not going. > > > Perhaps it should be pointed out that someone@beebug does not read this list. > > > I'm sorry to have to say it, but there are some reasons for > > the lack of progress. > > > Firstly the Acorn situation - can anyone now pretend that the number of > > Acorn users is ever going to increase? > > > Second the Beebug situation. They're never going to do any more work, but > > most of the income from the program is still going into their pockets. > > > For me the fear is that I'd do another years work, at the end of it, 50% > > of the user base will have bought PC's or Macs or whatever and I'm left as > > the author of a program that no one uses. > > David your reaction and fears are entirely understandable but the > quickest way to ensure that you become "the author of a program that no > one uses" is to halt development. What has to be addressed is how those > of us who want to continue to use the program can pay you for any time > you use in developing the the program further. Much depends on your > contract with Beebug. If they are going to sit back, do nothing and > cream off most of any profit from your further labours then I can > understand your reluctance to carry on. If this is the case and there is > no way out of the situation we may as well face the fact that > development is effectively at an end. If however there is some way in > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > continued development please could you let us know. > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > > Roger > > > -- > ||||| ||| ||| ||||| Roger Penniceard > || || || || Specialist Psychological Services > ||||| |||| ||||| 8 Loxley Road, London SW18 3LJ > || || || Tel. +44 (0) 181 874 1569 > ||||| |||| ||||| sps@pennic.demon.co.uk > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk > with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message > > My support also for what is said above particularly for the appreciation of all that David has done. If all else fails, what chance of a port to Linux? >From what David said some time ago there is a problem with the font system, I would want the font display of the Acorn porting over to Linux as this is one of the jewels in the crown of RiscOS; the thought of working with one of the other platform displays fills me with some unease. Best wishes to all for the New Year. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:26:01 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87028 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:25:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915284816:10:06702:18; Sat, 02 Jan 99 13:46:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125393; 2 Jan 99 13:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09181 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:32:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id NAA09174 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:31:59 GMT Received: from (193.149.71.231) [193.149.71.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zwQko-00065o-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:06:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr Breakwell) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 2 Jan 99 12:59:15 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: New Release of IdxPro Content-Type: text/richtext Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Dear All,I have just put the finishing touches to a new release of = IdxPro, my indexing applet for OP. The new release (1.03) has many new feat= ures including: * Conversion of text in a given style to ind= ex entries so that for example all sub-headings in a document = could be added to the index. (also allowing conv= ersion of indexes prepared with !Index) * Integration with !!!!!= !!bm by RJE Thompson so that markers are removed as the text = around them is deleted etc. * Use of Styles when 'typing' the in= dex so that formats such as that below using leading are now p= ossible: R Labels........= .....10 Avery.........12 It is now ve= ry easy to create formatted indexes on the first attempt! = * Search for text and create index entries * Page ranges can b= e included in the index * Lots of Bugs have been removed = * More configuration options availableAll the above are in addition= to the existing functionallity: * Automatic Index generation<= nl> * Full control over the style of entries * Entry text not= dependant upon document text * Index entries can be page number, = page and chapter number or text (e.g. Animals........See Entry = for Mammals) * Intelligent management of duplicate entries etc= * Full Interactive Help I believe that !IdxPro is probably th= e best indexing applet for OP and with this release some of the rough edges= have been removed. This should make it easier to use and more logical than= the previous releases. If you have any suggestions about how to make it be= tter then please either post them on the mailing list or mail me - without = your input etc it will never get any better!As before !IdxPro 1.03 = should be available from the OP resources site very soon. Please remember t= hat !IdxPro is careware so if you find it useful then please make a donatio= n as shown in the manual!Happy New YearDavid Breakwell<= nl>PS: I'm just about to start looking at the bug reported in !Labeller - f= rom the above you should be able to understand my delay in responding.... -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .-------= --------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |In= ternet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | |= '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |= __ | davidb@argonet.co.ukd; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:39:10 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p6-max5.ham.ihug.co.nz [203.109.241.134]) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA04 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 23:41:06 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id NAB09289 On Fri 01 Jan, ovation wrote: > On Thu 31 Dec 98 (11:37:39 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: >=20 > >Does your contract with Beebug preclude you from producing add-ons for > >Ovation Pro? If not, then by producing importers/exporters and the lik= e > >will increase the OP userbase. >=20 > I couldn't agree more. I had a word recently with Quentin Payne at Apri= cote, > which produces the accounts software, Prophet. The conversation started= off > very gloomy (it was shortly after Black Thursday), and Quentin was sayi= ng he > couldn't see that there would be a market for Prophet 4. Yes I too must agree, I have been using Acorn computers since their first models, and having got used to the platform will continue to use it, Of course I would prefer software like Ovation Pro, For Word Processing and Publishing , particularly if i can Import/Export to and from Word, Publisher etc. and with Accounts Packages as Kell says, Prophet will be just fine with cross platform compatability. Then we only need a "cross platform" Art and CAD package. Hope some of those software writers get the word.... Keep up the good work David, we will support you...... =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you...Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis = Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 15:26:07 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87030 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:26:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915284430:20:23977:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 13:40:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023753; 2 Jan 99 13:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA09159 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:30:47 GMT Received: from mail16.svr.pol.co.uk (mail16.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.217]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA09153 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:30:19 GMT Received: from [195.92.193.23] (helo=mail11.svr.pol.co.uk) by mail16.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwQrH-0006ak-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:12:47 +0000 Received: from modem-81.viramune.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.93.209] helo=default) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwQl7-00039s-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 13:06:27 +0000 Message-ID: <00a501be3650$97b8b220$8345883e@default> From: "Michael Hunter" To: "OvPro Mail List" Subject: Problems with !Labeller Applet Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:54:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings and Best Wishes to Ovation Pro Users for 1999. =20 Further to my problems with my Christmas card labels I have managed to = get some time to investigate further. I am surprised that nobody else = has reported any problems with this. Either there is something odd with = my set up or nobody has tried this.(I'm running OvP 2.51 on a RPC with = 48M.)=20 =20 I have experiemented using the example CSV file (UK) provided with David = Pilling's 'Making use of the new mail merge feature in OvationPro 2.48' = (version 0.03 31st December 1997). =20 I made a page of labels with 6 merge fields and this prints out OK - ( I = used David's !SPrinter to save paper) - but with blank fields. =20 I then tried to option to remove blanks in fields first in the range 1 = to 6. This only prints 5 fields (even for the headings record) so the = majority of labels have no post code - those which have a blank field = are OK including the post code. =20 Next I tried removing blanks in fields 2 to 5. Very interesting results = this time. The first non- blank field of the address is not printed at = all (Address1 on the headings record); the next three fields are moved = up and the post code appears in line 6. eg =20 Company Address2 Town / City County =20 Postcode =20 If there is a blank field then the following results=20 =20 Company Town / City County Postcode =20 Postcode =20 Finally I went into the Fields... entry on the Mail merge menu and = manually deleted the fields and replaced them with=20 =20 {macv=3Dmerge_strip(1,6)} (replacing 1 with 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 for each = of the fields 1 to 6)=20 =20 This produced the expected results with blank fields removed. =20 I could not see any errors in the fields produced by the applet which = seem to match David Pilling's 'horrible solution' (but that is not to = say there are none.)=20 =20 I have had a look at the OvPScript but as I have never tried C = Programming it is difficult to see any problems. =20 =20 Any suggestions? =20 Best wishes, =20 Michael =20 -- =20 Michael Hunter michael@hunter8home.freeserve.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings and Best Wishes to Ovation = Pro Users=20 for 1999.
 
Further to my problems with my Christmas card labels = I have=20 managed to get some time to investigate further. I am surprised that = nobody else=20 has reported any problems with this. Either there is something odd with = my set=20 up or nobody has tried this.(I'm running OvP 2.51 on a RPC with 48M.)=20
 
I have experiemented using the example CSV file (UK) = provided=20 with David Pilling's 'Making use of the new mail merge feature in = OvationPro=20 2.48' (version 0.03 31st December 1997).
 
I made a page of labels with 6 merge fields and this = prints=20 out OK - ( I used David's !SPrinter to save paper) - but with blank=20 fields.
 
I then tried to option to remove blanks in fields = first in the=20 range 1 to 6. This only prints 5 fields (even for the headings record) = so the=20 majority of labels have no post code - those which have a blank field = are OK=20 including the post code.
 
Next I tried removing blanks in fields 2 to 5. Very=20 interesting results this time. The first non- blank field of the address = is not=20 printed at all (Address1 on the headings record); the next three fields = are=20 moved up and the post code appears in line 6. eg
 
Company
Address2
Town / City
County
 
Postcode
 
If there is a blank field then the following results =
 
Company
Town / City
County
Postcode
 
Postcode
 
Finally I went into the Fields... entry on the Mail = merge menu=20 and manually deleted the fields and replaced them with
 
{macv=3Dmerge_strip(1,6)}   (replacing 1 = with 2, 3, 4,=20 5 and 6 for each of the fields 1 to 6)
 
This produced the expected results with blank fields = removed.
 
I could not see any errors in the fields produced by = the=20 applet which seem to match David Pilling's 'horrible solution' (but that = is not=20 to say there are none.)
 
I have had a look at the OvPScript but as I have = never tried C=20 Programming it is difficult to see any problems. 
 
Any suggestions?
 
Best wishes,
 
Michael
 
 
--  =
Michael Hunter  michael@hunter8home.f= reeserve.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BE364E.FC454660-- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 16:03:06 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87051 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 16:03:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915291679:10:17211:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:41:19 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017190; 2 Jan 99 15:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA09586 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:28:54 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA09581 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:28:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.85.137] (helo=revcol.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwSzu-0001DD-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:29:50 +0000 Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:26:43 +0000 (GMT) From: "Colin G.F. Brockie" Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > I'd very much like to see proper paragraph and section numbering - I'm also > very happy to pay for new features. Amen to this. Colin G.F. Brockie -- General remote signature - name, company name, address, WWW address? Work international number. Disclaimer? -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:25:34 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87073 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:25:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915293869:10:00666:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 16:17:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104884; 2 Jan 99 16:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA09693 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:05:45 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA09688 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:05:34 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwTZb-0005FC-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 16:06:43 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 99 15:39:54 GMT Message-Id: <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >From what David said some time ago there is a problem with the font system Eeek. Surely a highly qualified and minor problem 8-) Don't let me be seen to be rubbishing Acorns 'Crown Jewels'. On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats one would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically documented. Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro anyway. I see that Icon (Techwriter) have recently launched a standalone product which just loads and saves MS Word files. I suppose that proves how useful it is. I did have some discussions with Icon a few weeks back, after the talk here about OPro DDL import/export from Techwriter. I suspect your best chance here is to talk Icon into adding DDL im/export to their new product. Another suggestion, work out what you want from a Word utility, and make Rupert Thompson an offer - couple of 100 users pledge to buy it. As to the future. The number of users is just not viable with the current way the project is organised. So being honest with you, there's going to be no major progress in the near future. In say a years time, things may be different, we may have seen if the 'Acorn' platform has any future. I might well do a port to another platform. We might turn the program or the sources over to the users. Meanwhile, a footnote, you'll be pleased to hear that OPro is year 1999 roman numerals compliant i.e. MCMXCIX as opposed to MIM rubbish etc. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:25:53 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87077 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:25:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915297993:10:27637:19; Sat, 02 Jan 99 17:26:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027538; 2 Jan 99 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09898 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:12:12 GMT Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA09893 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:11:58 GMT Received: from modem-105.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.5.105] helo=wallace) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.10 #1) id 0zwUbq-0002EF-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:13:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01be35ef$30d872e0$ab356d01@wallace> From: "Nick Kaijaks" To: Subject: Re: Survival of OP Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:28:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro DP wrote: >On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats one >would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically >documented. Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly >documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro anyway. My 2p is to mention that for 'professional' use, Adobe PDF is probably the route to follow. Adobe's much touted new DTP package (K2) is to be based around PDF, and it's already gaining ground very rapidly in the prepress industry. Now, exactly how public the format is, I'm not sure offhand, but it's certainly better matched to Ovation Pro than Word or RTF. For future versions of Word, aren't M$ moving to HTML (or at least XML) anyway? >I see that Icon (Techwriter) have recently launched a standalone product >which just loads and saves MS Word files. I suppose that proves how useful >it is. I did have some discussions with Icon a few weeks back, after the >talk here about OPro DDL import/export from Techwriter. >I suspect your best chance here is to talk Icon into adding DDL im/export >to their new product. I'll be emailing them myself in a couple of minutes... >Another suggestion, work out what you want from a Word utility, and >make Rupert Thompson an offer - couple of 100 users pledge to buy it. Indeed. Let's see what Rupert has to say. >As to the future. The number of users is just not viable with the >current way the project is organised. So being honest with you, >there's going to be no major progress in the near future. In say a years >time, things may be different, we may have seen if the 'Acorn' platform has >any future. I might well do a port to another platform. We might turn >the program or the sources over to the users. Sad (if perhaps inevitable) news given the market at the moment. There's a lot of goodwill out there, but just not the money... I think we'll have to see what happens when Cerilica Vantage is released. I hope it'll breathe a bit of life into the market, particularly for the professional. By the way, the thing at the top of my wish list for Ovation Pro would still be DCS/OPI (to enable the use of big, externally-referenced images in prepress) as it's probably the biggest limitation that can't easily be overcome by third-party appleteers. >Meanwhile, a footnote, you'll be pleased to hear that OPro is year 1999 >roman numerals compliant i.e. MCMXCIX as opposed to MIM rubbish etc. Oh, I quite like MIM. Can we have it as an option in the !Custom file ;-) Best wishes for the New Year to all on the list (especially David for his work so far!) Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit and: research student in physics, university of warwick, coventry cv4 7al mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:25:56 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87078 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:25:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915298607:10:01601:15; Sat, 02 Jan 99 17:36:47 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001501; 2 Jan 99 17:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA09962 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:26:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA09957 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:26:09 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.138) [193.149.78.138] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zwUpa-00021v-00; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 17:27:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve White To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 17:24:39 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48be332452sjwhite@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Colin G.F. Brockie wrote: > On ?, Rob Hemmings wrote: > > I'd very much like to see proper paragraph and section numbering - I'm also > > very happy to pay for new features. > Amen to this. At the risk of just saying 'me too' - I agree! I think there will be lots of people with similar views. Cheers Steve -- ..-------------------------------------. |C o b b l e s E n d West Yorkshire |"To Wonder is to Begin to Understand" '-------------------------------------' sjwhite@argonet.co.uk ... using Acorn RISC computers -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Jan 2 20:26:20 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87083 for opro ; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:26:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915307451:10:00911:16; Sat, 02 Jan 99 20:04:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000576; 2 Jan 99 20:03 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA10202 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:54:26 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA10197 for ; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:54:11 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwX8r-0002EB-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 2 Jan 1999 19:55:21 +0000 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 99 18:04:57 GMT Message-Id: <87054@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: find/replace tip X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: Tord >I guess further upgrades of Ovation Pro is unlikely, considering what has >taken place, but if, here is a nice trick you could add (integral to most >Mac editors/dtp packages): >'Find' is sometimes messy when somehow a character not on the keyboard has >ended up in the file (usually after a conversion from one format to >another), but salvation is near: you just mark the offending character, >press Ctrl-C and open 'Find/Replace' and press Ctrl-V and then type in the >one you want! >Without having to use 'Keyboard' maps or other character set displays (like >!CharSel). In fact you can already do exactly this. With the proviso that after you mark the character and hit Ctrl-C, you clear the marking before opening find/replace. You have to clear the marking because of another little known feature, this is that find/replace only works on the area marked off when it is opened. Useful if you want to limit its scope. If clearing the marking by hand is too much like hard work, define a key macro with the body; {'C_C}{'C_Z}{'F4}{pause(10);fx(138,0,22)} Then if you mark some text, pressing the key will open find/replace with the marked text in the find field. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:12:29 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87105 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915393631:20:28163:15; Sun, 03 Jan 99 20:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100720; 3 Jan 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11291 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11283 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:24 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwtNL-0007Ha-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:39:47 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:54:10 GMT Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:51:21 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: <7a8b56be48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001b01be35ef$30d872e0$ab356d01@wallace> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <001b01be35ef$30d872e0$ab356d01@wallace> you wrote: > By the way, > the thing at the top of my wish list for Ovation Pro would still be DCS/OPI > (to enable the use of big, externally-referenced images in prepress) as it's > probably the biggest limitation that can't easily be overcome by third-party > appleteers. > I have to second this. Even an A5 cmyk file in OP slows it down to a snail's pace. In the end I have to put in a low res copy until it's time to send it to print. I'll forget to change it one of these days. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:12:31 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87106 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:12:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915393658:20:29101:15; Sun, 03 Jan 99 20:00:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028986; 3 Jan 99 20:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA11289 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:46 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA11279 for ; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:38:20 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zwtNH-0007HF-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sun, 3 Jan 1999 19:39:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:43:23 GMT Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:43:10 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: HTML Pro Message-ID: <8fcb55be48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Any one bought and using HTML Pro? Verdict? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 10 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:13:47 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87127 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:13:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915446686:10:10297:24; Mon, 04 Jan 99 10:44:46 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108753; 4 Jan 99 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA12276 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:50 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk (dirc.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.51]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA12271 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:32 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:28 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00632; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:28 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: !TransWord To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I erased before checking). It does seem a very good start. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:13:56 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87130 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:13:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915445541:20:21008:0; Mon, 04 Jan 99 10:25:41 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117618; 4 Jan 99 10:24 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:24:28 +0000 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00632; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:28 GMT Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:23:26 +0000 (GMT) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: !TransWord To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk, David Pilling In-Reply-To: <86932@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I erased before checking). It does seem a very good start. Don Lewis -- Dr. D. M. Lewis Phone (+44) 117 9287813 Department of Physiology Secretaries' Office 9288105 Medical School, University Walk, Fax 9288923 Bristol, BS8 1TD From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:13:59 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87131 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915459285:10:19844:16; Mon, 04 Jan 99 14:14:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118651; 4 Jan 99 14:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA12559 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:36:12 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA12550 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 13:35:52 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-34.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.165] with SMTP for id OAA20833 (8.8.8/1.10); Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:35:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:31:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In on Sat 02 Jan, David Pilling wrote: (snip) > On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats one > would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically > documented. Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly > documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro anyway. (snip) First my apologies if I repeat this too often. PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between packages and platforms. With the last port of GhostScript the output to PDF is more or less available, would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:14:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87137 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:14:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915465765:20:28731:22; Mon, 04 Jan 99 16:02:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102994; 4 Jan 99 16:02 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12747 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA12742 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:07 GMT Received: from (193.149.93.249) [193.149.93.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxBuK-0002R2-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:27:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 19:48:02 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 31 Dec 98 (16:35:07), opro@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? Well his own readme file makes it clear that this app is very much under development and goes on to list a few shortcomings...... EasiWriter on the other hand can both read and write Word files, including Office'97, so helps enormously in terms of interplatform compatability. We don't just need a reader, we need a writer too. As Ray Dawson said, if the import and export facilitites were upgraded, we could avoid succumbing to the need to use other software/platforms. AntiWord does a fair job of extracting text from some Word files, and therefore has some uses. Transword may go a little further. But Icon Technology have already sorted the problems of reading and writing Word files, so why not build upon a proven method? The sooner these facilities are in place, the sooner confidence in the future of OvPro will be increased. Dave D -- __ _| _ _| ._ ._ / \ _.._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ _ _ | Tel: 01775 750535 (_|(/_(_||_|| || || (|/(_|| (_|(_)| |(/_ |_o(_(_)o|_||< zfc Ag, SA RPC \__ _| Real address as above Certified No42 in the Phoebe queue -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 17:14:25 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87140 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 17:14:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915468195:20:12279:18; Mon, 04 Jan 99 16:43:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120437; 4 Jan 99 16:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA12823 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:27 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA12818 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxCLe-0002JY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 15:55:19 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:09:07 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:09:00 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransWord Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message you wrote: > On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > > > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and > find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a > problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I > erased before checking). > It does seem a very good start. But still no word(sorry) from Rupert. Rupert where are you? You've quiet for a long time. Perhaps he's beavering away at Transword. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 20:50:42 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87191 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 20:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915481768:10:00819:27; Mon, 04 Jan 99 20:29:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000795; 4 Jan 99 20:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA13126 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:00:48 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA13121 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:00:33 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxFF4-0000ma-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:00:42 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Jan 99 18:33:02 GMT Message-Id: <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi, >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between >packages and platforms. And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is documented. >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text frame? Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose such structure... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 22:46:54 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87193 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:46:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915487506:10:27392:15; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:05:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027383; 4 Jan 99 22:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13728 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:46:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13723 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:46:04 GMT Received: from (193.149.92.152) [193.149.92.152] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxHpF-000282-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:46:14 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:39:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !TransWord In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > > > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and > find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a > problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I > erased before checking). > It does seem a very good start. > Don Lewis All very interesting, but I've never managed to load any Word files using !TransWord... not a single one. "Document is too old for this version of Transword." "Document is too new for this version of Transword." Obviously far too Version specific to be of much use as it stands. I suppose there is a version of Word it'll load... I have a couple of versions of Word but as you see... Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 22:47:12 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87199 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:47:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915485548:20:16739:22; Mon, 04 Jan 99 21:32:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016510; 4 Jan 99 21:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13457 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:04:12 GMT Received: from smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (asset2-gui.server.virgin.net [194.168.54.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA13451 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:03:58 GMT Received: from bernard.hill.virgin.net ([194.168.67.156]) by smtprelay1-gui.server.virgin.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with SMTP id AAA9761 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:17:33 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 20:15:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "Bernard G. Hill" Subject: OP and Fonts To: Ovation Mail Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Bernard G. Hill, Telephone/Fax:01633 880197 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! There I go again, not making myself clear. I did not intend to imply that David had called the Acorn font system into question but that he said that if OP were ported across to Linux it would be necessary to make substantial changes to the program because the RiscOS font system would not be available and, as is to be expected, this is the system used for OP. What I was really asking about was the possibility of having our favourite font system available if we finally had to abandon RiscOS and move over to Linux especially if it meant that it would be easier for OP to be ported. I shall continue to use RiscOS and OPro for as long as possible, and like many others, am quite prepared to pay for continued development. Bernard. -- Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Jan 4 22:47:23 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87201 for opro ; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:47:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915487292:20:18593:31; Mon, 04 Jan 99 22:01:32 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018078; 4 Jan 99 22:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA13712 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:45:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA13706 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:44:50 GMT Received: from (193.149.86.85) [193.149.86.85] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxHo3-00025k-00; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:44:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Dr. P.N. Young) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 4 Jan 99 21:29:38 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: !TransWord Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro !Transword coped brilliantly with a Word document we were sent, with multiple columns, which totally foxed !AntiWord, which I had previously been using. Thanks to those on this list who mentioned it! Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 01:45:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87217 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 01:45:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915492833:20:28625:20; Mon, 04 Jan 99 23:33:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119945; 4 Jan 99 23:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA14037 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:20:15 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA14032 for ; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:20:00 GMT Received: from [158.152.151.91] (helo=krowdrah.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxJIB-0006gZ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:20:11 +0000 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:22:48 +0000 (GMT) From: P Hutton Subject: Making own colours To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Dear all I have successfully made some new colours in OPro using Edit-New Colours... however, when I quit from Opro and re-load, the colours are no longer there. How do I save my new colours in with the old ones permanently? I have a sneaking suspicion this is a daft question... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground." Attrib. Martin Goodwin -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:17 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87235 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915504893:20:14339:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 02:54:53 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122531; 5 Jan 99 2:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA14303 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:38:54 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com (nebula.mpn.com [194.72.64.30]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14298 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:38:40 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA11704 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:23:19 GMT Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA08300; Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:02:03 GMT Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:58:24 +0000 From: Chris Manning To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP Message-ID: <48BF27EE32%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <87048@pilling.demon.co.uk> opro@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > On foreign file formats. The trouble is that most of the file formats > one would like to do - e.g. Quark are (as far as I know) not publically > documented. Not to mention that they are not stable (although I have to admit to knowing nothing about Quark). As soon as a certain other word processor gave people what they wanted (Word im/export) they were back whinging that it didn't support Word 8. I've a suspicion that as soon as that was provided some of them would have written their letters of complaint because it doesn't support Word 9, and are just waiting for a new release from MicroSoft in order to have an opportunity to send them. > Please someone prove me wrong! Things like Word and RTF are badly > documented if at all, and not particularly well matched to OvationPro > anyway. In another posting Nick Kaijaks said My 2p is to mention that for 'professional' use, Adobe PDF is probably the route to follow. Adobe's much touted new DTP package (K2) is to be based around PDF, and it's already gaining ground very rapidly in the prepress industry. Now, exactly how public the format is, I'm not sure offhand, but it's certainly better matched to Ovation Pro than Word or RTF. For future versions of Word, aren't M$ moving to HTML (or at least XML) anyway? I tend to agree that, if OPro's to support foreign formats, they should be 'standard' formats. Chris -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:19 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87236 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915505302:20:20926:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 03:01:42 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126711; 5 Jan 99 3:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA14351 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:49:25 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id CAA14346 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:49:14 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxMYh-00035w-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 02:49:27 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 02:09:41 GMT Message-Id: <87230@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Making own colours X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R >I have successfully made some new colours in OPro using Edit-New Colours... >however, when I quit from Opro and re-load, the colours are no longer there. You're editing the colours for the *current document*, throw that away, and the colours go with it. Colours are part of a document, not global. >How do I save my new colours in with the old ones permanently? If you use file->save as default on a document with the new colours set up, then all new documents created in future will have the new colours by default. If you want to copy the colours from one document to another, drop the document with the new colours on to the colour editing window of the document that you want to copy the colours to. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:22 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87237 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915529413:20:16912:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 09:43:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111523; 5 Jan 99 9:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA14832 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:02:49 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA14820 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:02:30 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-20.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.151] with SMTP for id KAA06615 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:02:41 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:58:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <87180@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 04 Jan, David Pilling wrote: > > Hi, > > >PDF will become the standard fileformat for DTP exchange between > >packages and platforms. > > And this *is* good news, because unlike Quark files (?) it is > documented. And Adobe will force Quark to adapt to PDF im- and export with the introduction of Adobe K2. There are already Quark plug-ins that can handle PDF more or less. And if Quark doesn't want to adapt it will fade away. Its price and quirks doesn't make it popular in the PrePress world although it is the standard for printshops now. > >would import of PS or PDF files in Ovation Pro be possible? > > But I have a question for you, does PDF (unlike PS) contain > document structuring information e.g. this bit of text is part > of a text story in a text frame which is linked to another text > frame? > > Because one of the troubles with reading PS is that you lose > such structure... Yes that's a problem now but PDF will be extended in the near future. Adobe K2 requires the same conditions. There are other known problems like duotones in PDF, and the colour is clipped at the edges of the document. And Acorns PS drivers have their own quirks. Watching the Sprite handling of those drivers reveals a lot of actual problems, new PS3 drivers would solve that but introduce problems with older RIPs. I added PS as an import format as that avoids some of the extra problems PDF introduces. But the trend is towards PDF... It isn't an easy job and with the gloomy future of Ovation Pro quite an adventure. You might add it to a Linux port of Ovation Pro and make it the standard file format for Ovation Unix Pro. There PostScript is far more the standard though in the disguise of GhostScript. What is good for EasiWriter (accept the fact that Word-files are the standard) means PDF/PS should be good for O.P. As I understand it there are some PS developments parallel with Vantage that will be launched soon. Let us wait for that and see what kind of PS utilities appear then. On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print facility to RiScript Pro that allows one to print the separated PS pages in the colour of ones choice so that one can make proofsheets with (buildup?). He likes the idea whether that means he will do it tomorrow .. ;-)...if so I will ask for dotgain simulation on Wednesday ;-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:28 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87239 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915534506:20:00446:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 11:08:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029795; 5 Jan 99 11:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA14960 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:23:05 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA14955 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:22:29 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-76.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.207] with SMTP for id LAA10362 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:22:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:13:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: OP and Fonts To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Mon 04 Jan, Bernard G. Hill wrote: > > Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! There I go again, not making myself clear. I did > not intend to imply that David had called the Acorn font system into > question but that he said that if OP were ported across to Linux it > would be necessary to make substantial changes to the program because > the RiscOS font system would not be available and, as is to be expected, > this is the system used for OP. > > What I was really asking about was the possibility of having our > favourite font system available if we finally had to abandon RiscOS and > move over to Linux especially if it meant that it would be easier for > OP to be ported. > > I shall continue to use RiscOS and OPro for as long as possible, and > like many others, am quite prepared to pay for continued development. When the RiscOs GUI and other RO goodies port to Linux was discussed in c.s.a.misc, Edward Denya? of EFF wrote he was able and willing to make a port of the fontsystem. I think for that kind of ports you need a frame like the Forbidden Technologies initiative otherwise any coordination is lost. But wouldn't Bitstream introduce its own fontsystem in Unix, it is said that the quality is on the same level. There's no chance of a fontsystem introduction to Linux if part of the community there doesn't see the advantages. The RO system is good in itself but added to that it has the extra of being an integral part of OS/GUI. Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:05:43 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87245 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915515331:10:17345:17; Tue, 05 Jan 99 05:48:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017335; 5 Jan 99 5:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA14563 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:35:47 GMT Received: from alpha.netvision.net.il (alpha.netvision.net.il [194.90.1.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA14558 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 05:35:34 GMT Received: from netvision.net.il (mybg@RAS1-p91.jlm.netvision.net.il [62.0.160.93]) by alpha.netvision.net.il (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA14162 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 07:31:52 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <3691A482.DCB62610@netvision.net.il> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 07:34:58 +0200 From: Michael Ben-Gershon Organization: My Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 References: <48bd898a86mike@cowark.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro A. M. Smith wrote: > > On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > to David Pilling > > large snip . . . > > >If however there is some way in > > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > > continued development please could you let us know. > > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Acorn > > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support your > work*, David Maybe some of us could get together and set up a non-profit body called "The Ovation Foundation", or whatever, and pay David for doing updates, rather as Gerald Fitton is doing with Fireworkz. I would be prepared to put in some initial cash as a starter. Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:07 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87253 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915538295:10:00539:140; Tue, 05 Jan 99 12:11:35 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115794; 5 Jan 99 11:42 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA15083 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:58:11 GMT Received: from smtp1.ihug.co.nz (tk1.ihug.co.nz [203.29.160.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA15078 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 10:57:55 GMT Received: from renet.ihug.co.nz (p20-max3.ham.ihug.co.nz [202.49.240.20] (may be forged)) by smtp1.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) wit Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:50:47 +1300 (BST) From: Rene Turner Subject: Re: Wish List for 99 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3691A482.DCB62610@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: Ren H Turner, Hamilton, New Zealand. Ph:+64 7 8435779 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id KAB15083 On Tue 05 Jan, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > A. M. Smith wrote: > >=20 > > On 31 Dec, SPS wrote: > > to David Pilling > >=20 > > large snip . . . > >=20 > > >If however there is some way in > > > which users can be organised to pay you at a realistic rate for > > > continued development please could you let us know. > >=20 > > > Finally as a user of your software and a recipient of your help on > > > occasions I would like to thank you for your contribution to the Ac= orn > > > scene over the years. Happy New Year. > > I'd like to second this but *please let us know how we can support yo= ur > > work*, David >=20 > Maybe some of us could get together and set up a non-profit body called > "The Ovation Foundation", or whatever, and pay David for doing > updates, rather as Gerald Fitton is doing with Fireworkz. I would be > prepared to put in some initial cash as a starter. >=20 > Michael Ben-Gershon > mybg@netvision.net.il I second this Idea Michael.... So Mr David Pilling Sir, Please set up a Page on your Site ( any of them) for us to commit ourselves to subscribing... and for folks like me so far away VISA would be a real convinient way to Pay... Then David.. just let us know the subscription address , that should at least give you a real indication of how many of us are serious... Shalom... --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you...Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionsis = Habes Ren=E9 Turner Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury= ..org.nz =20 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:12 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87255 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915539463:10:08340:18; Tue, 05 Jan 99 12:31:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112272; 5 Jan 99 12:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA15224 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:39:57 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA15218 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:39:29 GMT Received: from [158.152.89.120] (helo=snave.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxUpk-0000Vf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 11:39:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Ovation Mail Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 15:44:17 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48be29f3d5jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Survival of OP Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In view of David's recent realistic appraisal of the future outlook for OPro if things are allowed to drift, I would like to stand up and be counted as one of many supporters who I am sure would be willing to dip their hands in their pockets and contribute to its continuing development. Thank you David for all you've done so far for us and the magnificent way you are continuing to do it within the present framework. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:18 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87257 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915540880:10:02847:17; Tue, 05 Jan 99 12:54:40 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002392; 5 Jan 99 12:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15347 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:09:51 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk (qmailr@pat.bath.ac.uk [138.38.32.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA15342 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:09:34 GMT Received: (qmail 15638 invoked from network); 5 Jan 1999 11:53:19 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 5 Jan 1999 11:53:19 -0000 Received: from ppp18-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa08953; 5 Jan 99 11:53 GMT From: Martin Devon Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 11:51:58 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: conversion of OPro files and examination boards Content-Type: text/plain Message-ID: X-Mailer: Navaho Server Suite 2.00b24/Acorn RISC OS X-Organization: Stonar School Wiltshire UK 44 (0)1225 702309 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro John Cartmell asked me to post here the results of enquiries regarding file formats for A-Level IT coursework. ( I had written here on 25th November that I had been led to understand that the board expects work in WfW format). I have done our Board (NEAB) an injustice. The general public impression that Microsoft stuff is essential is rubbish and lies. The rubrics for A Level IT are scrupulously non-partisan and a conversation with the Subject Officer reaffirms that the Board makes no differentation at all. That being so, this school will continue to use OPro throughout, together with Fireworkz Pro and DataPower 2. (As I mentioned to David privately, we have 45,000 OPro files on the network, and conversion is not really an option anyway). However, the above does not alter the fact that, if OPro could both input and output _directly_ into WfW, the justification for the continued use of OPro would be very much easier. -- Martin Devon IT Consultant Stonar School Wiltshire -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87260 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915541239:10:10079:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 13:00:39 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111435; 5 Jan 99 13:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA15292 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:00:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA15287 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:00:40 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxVAL-0002mY-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 12:00:54 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:08:17 GMT Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 01:05:05 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: !TransWord Message-ID: <92f764bf48%Ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48bf522c3ddf.symes@argonet.co.uk> you wrote: > In article , > Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > > On Thu 31 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > On the subject of Word loading. There is Rupert Thompsons !TransWord > > > loader, currently available (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/). > > > I guess any progress would start from knowing what is wrong with that? > > > > > I have been using !TransWord extensively over the last month or so, and > > find that it handles almost any text based document. I did have a > > problem with an embedded picture in Word 8.9 (I think - unfortunately I > > erased before checking). > > It does seem a very good start. > > > Don Lewis > > All very interesting, but I've never managed to load any Word files using > !TransWord... not a single one. > > "Document is too old for this version of Transword." > "Document is too new for this version of Transword." > > Obviously far too Version specific to be of much use as it stands. > I suppose there is a version of Word it'll load... I have a couple of > versions of Word but as you see... > At the moment I think Transword is only built for Word 6. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 9 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 14:06:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87264 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:06:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915544684:10:21418:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 13:58:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021242; 5 Jan 99 13:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA15773 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:15 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA15768 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:00 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zxWit-0002t6-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:39 +0000 Received: from xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk by ltsun0.le.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:43:34 GMT Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 13:40:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Tue 05 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print facility to > RiScript Pro that allows one to print the separated PS pages in the colour > of ones choice so that one can make proofsheets with (buildup?). He likes > the idea whether that means he will do it tomorrow .. ;-)...if so I will > ask for dotgain simulation on Wednesday ;-) So RiScript Pro is still being developed? I gave up asking Uniqueway about updates over a year ago. I *still* don't even have a proper manual, just the perliminary guid and a sheet of paper saying that the full manual will follow in four week's time (this from sometime in 1997). -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 16:00:26 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87281 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 16:00:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915550389:10:18150:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 15:33:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121649; 5 Jan 99 15:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15965 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15958 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:15 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxY5n-00017A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:24 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:30:41 GMT Message-Id: <87275@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Positioning objects X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro From: Alan Muscat >In message <87182@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> >> >In Ovation Pro and Artworks it is possible to select an object >> >and use the cursor to move it, and even better with Artworks >> >key in exactly the amount of movement you want. >> >> Well of course in OPro, if there's 25mm written in an icon, you can type >> '+2mm' (giving "25mm+2mm") and then bash return and it will shift by the extra >Can you choose by how much the cursor moves keys move the object? In >Artworks you can set it as low as .1mm, if I recall correctly. >What is a dream in Artworks is not having to hold down the mouse >button to move the object, you just use the cursor keys. >This is probably not possibly in a layout app because the cursor >would move within the text if it were a text frame. But what if >it was possible to move any frame, or picture within a frame, >without the mouse, by, say, holding down Alt then using the >cursor keys? Would this be posssible to implement? I believe that in OPro the cursor keys move the mouse pointer by one screen pixel, during drags etc. (doesn't sound such a bright idea now). I find it useful in other programs to be able to move objects using the cursor keys, so I'd be in favour of that as an improvement. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 16:00:39 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87283 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 16:00:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915550075:20:18941:21; Tue, 05 Jan 99 15:27:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107038; 5 Jan 99 15:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA15963 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:22 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA15953 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:06 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxY5p-00017A-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 15:08:25 +0000 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 99 14:36:39 GMT Message-Id: <87277@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Survival of OP X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I would like to stand up and be counted as one of many supporters who I am >sure would be willing to dip their hands in their pockets and contribute to >its continuing development. Thanks for the offers of support 8-) We'll have to see how things go... As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program have done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from elsewhere. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 17:42:45 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87290 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 17:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915555968:10:16172:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 17:06:08 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128447; 5 Jan 99 17:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA16274 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:49:28 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA16269 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:49:09 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA31033 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:47:44 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA27561; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:46:21 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J66STS9980000V1S@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:46:08 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:14 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:46:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: Survival of OP In-Reply-To: <87277@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovationpro Message-Id: <5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40/11D12C2D2C00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11D12C2D2C00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;5304461605011999/A02445/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Pilling wrote: > > As you may have gathered I think the people who have bought the program have > done enough, I'd much rather fund further developments from elsewhere. > While I agree with the above, if the choice is between paying for support, or having no support, then there is no contest. Count me in if necessary. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 20:37:35 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87298 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:37:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915560368:20:07950:22; Tue, 05 Jan 99 18:19:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127522; 5 Jan 99 18:19 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA16413 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:05:26 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.11]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA16407 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:05:14 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-59.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.190] with SMTP for id TAA02362 (8.8.8/1.10); Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:05:33 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 16:44:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Tue 05 Jan, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue 05 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print facility to > > RiScript Pro that allows one to print the separated PS pages in the colour > > of ones choice so that one can make proofsheets with (buildup?). He likes > > the idea whether that means he will do it tomorrow .. ;-)...if so I will > > ask for dotgain simulation on Wednesday ;-) > > So RiScript Pro is still being developed? I gave up asking Uniqueway about > updates over a year ago. I *still* don't even have a proper manual, just the > perliminary guid and a sheet of paper saying that the full manual will > follow in four week's time (this from sometime in 1997). I wouldn't call the manual I have proper either but development is still going on. The manual issue should be solved by Uniqueway I guess. The only area where the distribution is done by the writers themselves is here in The Netherlands, het platte lan. I'm using a beta version 3.3 of 10-1998. The GUI has changed and printing is added. On the Vantage webpage there's some reference to RiScript Pro so they also cooperate with other software developers. On quite a regular base I send them files that show problems and they solved some of the shortcomings of RSP. Suggestions on improvements are also taken seriously. They do not depend on RSP to pay for the rent etc. and in the circumstances given I'm glad they don't. This means it doesn't look that professional but it continues. Should I ask them whether they need an extra beta tester? :-) Ernst -- Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net Sig couldn't keep up with the events. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 20:37:40 1999 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87301 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:37:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915567855:10:04591:16; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:24:15 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004322; 5 Jan 99 20:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA16722 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:06:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA16717 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:05:59 GMT Received: from [158.152.71.246] (helo=infotech.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.10 #2) id 0zxck9-0006Eb-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:06:21 +0000 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:26:04 +0000 (GMT) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Survival of OP To: Ovation Mail In-Reply-To: <48be29f3d5jack@snave.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 02 Jan, Jack Evans wrote: > In view of David's recent realistic appraisal of the future outlook for > OPro if things are allowed to drift, I would like to stand up and be > counted as one of many supporters who I am sure would be willing to dip > their hands in their pockets and contribute to its continuing > development. > > Thank you David for all you've done so far for us and the magnificent way > you are continuing to do it within the present framework. > Whilst I don't normally join in with the "me too", I think this is one exception. It would be a great tragedy to allow OVPro to die. BTW, I read a post from Convergence regarding Acorn releasing RiscOs 4 from the middle of this month. Does this indicate that there is some grounds for optimism regarding the long term future of RiscOs? regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ ____________________________________________ | '__|/ \ / __| / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | | \__ \ / The St.Thomas'(Hospital,London) Lupus Trust |_| \___/ |___/ / Web Site: http://www.infotech.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Jan 5 20:37:49 1999 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA87304 for opro ; Tue, 05 Jan 99 20:37:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 915566029:20:12097:15; Tue, 05 Jan 99 19:53:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103994; 5 Jan 99 19:53 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA16592 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA16587 for ; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:35 GMT Received: from (193.149.70.140) [193.149.70.140] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zxcKa-0004dq-00; Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:39:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48bfc4d70ebric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Survival of OP In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue 05 Jan, Ernst Dinkla wrote: > > On a related subject, I've asked Jeroen Medema to add a print > > facility to RiScript Pro that allows one to print ..... etc > So RiScript Pro is still being developed? I gave up asking > Uniqueway about updates over a year ago. I *still* don't even have > a proper manual, just the perliminary guid and a sheet of paper > saying that the full manual will follow in four week's time (this > from sometime in 1997). I too have been rather disappointed by the lack of new versions of RiScript Pro, which I bought at the 1997 Wakefield show for about 100UKP, IIRC. I had expected more by now. Paul Middleton of Uniqueway did send me a manual shortly afterwards, Issue 1, May 1997; and I have also had a later version, Issue 3, May 1998. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK bric@argonet.co.uk