From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:34:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84566 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:34:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912277752:10:29327:15; Sat, 28 Nov 98 18:29:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112061; 28 Nov 98 18:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA15031 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:15:22 GMT Received: from dino.intonet.co.uk (root@dino.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA15026 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:15:10 GMT Received: from marteng..intonet.co.uk (user162.intonet.co.uk [194.73.231.94]) by dino.intonet.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA13768 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:16:19 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Marten Gallagher To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:10:25 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ac3112a9marteng@intonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Start up without Pluto being 'active' Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro For various reasons I would prefer Pluto not to open its window automatically when started. I have mentioned this to Jonathan 'privately' and he is of the opinion, I believe, that this is an unnecessary option. I just wondered whether there wer others who might have the same view and that, if it is technically, possible that Jonathan might find time to proivde such an option if it were not too onerous. I have no idea of the implications of such a request in technical terms. Just wondering. Slainte -- Marten Gallagher - marteng@intonet.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 1237 477605 or +44 (0) 402 385137 Fax: +44 (0) 7070 712659 http://www.intonet.co.uk/~marteng/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:35:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84578 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:35:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912290898:10:03636:16; Sat, 28 Nov 98 22:08:18 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123418; 28 Nov 98 22:07 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA15243 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:43 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA15238 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:57:32 GMT Received: from (193.149.95.109) [193.149.95.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zjsO4-00039N-00; Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:58:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:22:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Start up without Pluto being 'active' In-Reply-To: <48ac3112a9marteng@intonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 28 Nov, Marten Gallagher wrote: > For various reasons I would prefer Pluto not to open its window > automatically when started. > I have mentioned this to Jonathan 'privately' and he is of the > opinion, I believe, that this is an unnecessary option. I tend to agree with Jonathan on this. > I just wondered whether there wer others who might have the same > view and that, if it is technically, possible that Jonathan might > find time to proivde such an option if it were not too onerous. I > have no idea of the implications of such a request in technical > terms. Wouldn't it be better to canvas the view of Pluto users rather than OvPro user? ;-)) -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:41:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84777 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:41:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912422651:20:24660:18; Mon, 30 Nov 98 10:44:11 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024521; 30 Nov 98 10:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA17481 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:39 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA17476 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:28 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:23:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: OvationPro User Group Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:22:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ad0dee81C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09m for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: What are the differences between ... In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article , David Love wrote: > Can someone tell me the differences, in plain simple language (I'm > no techie :-( ) between: > A4 Generic (DP), > A4 Generic (DeskJet), > A4 paper size > and what would be the consequence of changing the graphic and print > margins. Will I get a larger print area on each if I reduce the > margins? What, if any, are the downsides to this. I notice that when > choosing one of the alternatives the margins change anyway. Why? > Should I keep with the default of whichever one is chosen from the > three? The default margins do not necessarily correspond to the actual printable area on a printer. What I have done is to first set up a new definition with zero margins all round. Then make up a document (draw, ovpro, whatever) with grey or any preferred colour rectangles in each corner, right to the edge of the paper. Then print the page and measure how near the edge the printer actually prints. Now change your printer margins to the real ones you have just measured. If you print to more than one type of printer (eg I use both a monochrome laser printer and a colour inkjet), then you need to use the settings which give the biggest margins, else one of the printers may truncate your printout if you go too close to the edge. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk (at work) mailto: Chris@bulldog.u-net.com (at home) ovpro web site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84792 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912434466:20:02376:25; Mon, 30 Nov 98 14:01:06 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126847; 30 Nov 98 14:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA18033 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:33:31 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA18028 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:33:17 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA11243 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:27:17 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08359; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:31:52 GMT Message-ID: <36629E9A.65900FF9@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:33:14 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Liam Gretton wrote: > > Perhaps we ought to move this discussion to csa.apps... That may be a good move. > On Mon 30 Nov, W.H. Stenfert Kroese wrote: > > Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of > > GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: > Your first problem sounds like a screwed installation of gs, or perhaps > some problem with raFS. There is no need to double click on !Ghostscr - I should mention this somewhere (and probably modify the way it works). All the necessary aliases and paths are set when it is seen by the filer for the first time. Running !Ghostscr.!Run would cause a postscript file to be converted using the PPM driver. Double clicking on !Ghostscr runs the !Run file (obviously) but doesn't pass a file name to it (naturally, there is no file). It seems that the results of this vary from user to user, at home I didn't get the error above or the 'abort on data transfer' other people seem to get! > > 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system > > variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file > > $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate > > I'd say that this is a bug in !PSUtils. I would agree there - I'll put a fix in the software for a future version. > Try setting Wimp$FontWidth to a suitable value, perhaps in your > !Boot sequence .... That should do the job. > Note that I have no idea what a 'suitable value' for Wimp$FontWidth is! I think 192 is the default, though I'm sure I will be corrected if I have got it wrong. Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84796 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912445217:20:09257:50; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:00:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009316; 30 Nov 98 16:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18500 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:37 GMT Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk (romeo.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.9]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id QAA18495 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:18 GMT Received: from oban.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28] by romeo.ic.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zkWFP-0004fF-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:27 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by oban.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk id 0zkWFN-0003rc-00; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:25 +0000 Received: by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:25 -0000 Message-ID: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF72D@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "REEVES-HALL, PC" To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" Subject: PS files... & Ghost Script Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:32:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi all, I wanted to give GhostScript a go with a PS file (and convert it to PDF) but first I need to generate a PS file. I've tried intalling the "general" PostScript level 2 printer file in !Printers and printing to file but I get an error about some file missing in printers: , which is indeed not there. (sorry can't remember the exact message) I'm using ROS 3.7 and the "old" style boot set-up..... could someone offer some advise? Thanks, Peter R.H. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84797 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912316226:10:05807:15; Sun, 29 Nov 98 05:10:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005728; 29 Nov 98 5:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id FAA15762 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:00:42 GMT Received: from wws1.ww.co.nz (root@ww.co.nz [203.98.51.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id FAA15757 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 05:00:26 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (max32.ww.co.nz [202.27.199.32]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id QAA00367 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 1998 16:59:19 +1300 Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 17:31:25 +1300 (BST) From: David Love Subject: What are the differences between ... To: OvationPro User Group Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I have a Canon BJC-600 and have never bothered looking at the Edit Paper Size option. That is, until today. Can someone tell me the differences, in plain simple language (I'm no techie :-( ) between: A4 Generic (DP), A4 Generic (DeskJet), A4 paper size and what would be the consequence of changing the graphic and print margins. Will I get a larger print area on each if I reduce the margins? What, if any, are the downsides to this. I notice that when choosing one of the alternatives the margins change anyway. Why? Should I keep with the default of whichever one is chosen from the three? If I make an alteration in the Edit Paper Size option, I presume I also have to do the same in the Bit image printer configuration menu. Speaking of that option, which is the best resolution to use for the Canon BJC-600? And which the best Quality setting? And now I'll crawl back into my ancient cave and await results :-) David -- Proud owner of a StrongArm RiscPC. British and Best. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84806 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912421768:10:18171:16; Mon, 30 Nov 98 10:29:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108719; 30 Nov 98 10:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA17407 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:55:09 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA17402 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:54:53 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA10391 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:48:53 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03819; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:53:29 GMT Message-ID: <36626B58.E9956BAE@sharp.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:54:32 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Paul Reuvers wrote: > It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: > > 1) The last line of the !Boot file reports a missing THEN. There is now an updated copy of GSapp510.zip on ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript which has this problem cured. > 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer > is reported (&000A4AAC). >From other peoples reports this sounds like a wimpslot problem. I must admit to having my 'next' slot in the task manager set to 4Mb by default so I probably missed this! Graham. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From j.pettigrew@elsevier.co.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84807 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912422569:10:25544:0; Mon, 30 Nov 98 10:42:49 GMT Received: from pillar.elsevier.co.uk ([193.131.222.35]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107306; 30 Nov 98 10:42 GMT Received: from snowdon.elsevier.co.uk [193.131.197.164]; by pillar.elsevier.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP; for ""; sender "j.pettigrew@ELSEVIER.CO.UK"; id KAA02779; hop 0; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:34:26 GMT Received: from ELSEVIER.CO.UK (actually host eslgate.elsevier.co.uk) by snowdon.elsevier.co.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:41:22 +0000 Received: from ES#u#OXF-Message_Server by ELSEVIER.CO.UK with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:38:02 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 10:40:04 +0000 From: John Pettigrew To: opro@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: OvPro macro problems Status: R David, I've found two problems with my OvPro macros. (1) It seems to be impossible to apply effects twice in one script - only the last one has any effect. Thus, changing to italic, entering text and returning to normal means that the text is entered in normal. Is there any way round this, either currently or to be implemented? (2) There is a small error in the documentation. The bmprevchar function returns -1 when the caret is at the start of the story, rather than 0 as is stated in the NewFuncts document. I assume that this also applies to bmchar, although I've not tested this. Took me a little while to work out why my macro wasn't working :-) Thanks, John -- Assistant Editor, trends in Biotechnology Elsevier Trends Division, 66-68 Hills Road, Cambridge, UK CB2 1LA. john-p@innocent.com http://fly.to/silent.planet From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:42:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84809 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912428625:10:24521:19; Mon, 30 Nov 98 12:23:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024317; 30 Nov 98 12:23 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA17722 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:53:01 GMT Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA17717 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:52:49 GMT Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.78.136]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA1698 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 11:52:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:50:38 +0100 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: GhostScript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: 1. Clicking on the GS ikon produces the message: Can't find initialisation file gs_init.ps. This file, installed in the application as instructed, when run does run GS but with a long string of error messages. The only command I've used successfully is "devicenames ==". 2. It does work with !GView as it did with the older version. 8-) 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate these files? Help will be much appreciated! Kroese. -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:43:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84812 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:42:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912432185:10:26245:20; Mon, 30 Nov 98 13:23:05 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112764; 30 Nov 98 13:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA17830 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:34:37 GMT Received: from navy.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@navy.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.49]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA17825 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:34:26 GMT Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by navy.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zkSX8-0005SV-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:34:30 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:08:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36626B58.E9956BAE@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > Paul Reuvers wrote: > > It doesn't seem to work on my SA risc PC. Two problems appear: > > > > 1) The last line of the !Boot file reports a missing THEN. > > There is now an updated copy of GSapp510.zip on > ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript/ghostscript which has this problem > cured. > > > 2) When typing 'gs -h' from the command line, an abort on data transfer > > is reported (&000A4AAC). > > > From other peoples reports this sounds like a wimpslot problem. I > must admit to having my 'next' slot in the task manager set to 4Mb by > default so I probably missed this! > > Graham. > I can report that setting a wimpslot of 2048K has cured the above problems on my machine a SA110 RiscPC. Also as well as being able to run the software using raFS I can also report that it seems to work OK when run from a WebFS directory as supplied with HTMLEdit. (I seem to recall that WebFS is a rebadged derivative of X-files?) Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark <\__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, "> || _`\<,_ |__\ \> | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:43:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84814 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912433318:10:06014:21; Mon, 30 Nov 98 13:41:58 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115535; 30 Nov 98 13:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA17937 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:45 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA17932 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:34 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zkT5n-0000Ss-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:10:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 13:09:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: GhostScript To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Perhaps we ought to move this discussion to csa.apps... On Mon 30 Nov, W.H. Stenfert Kroese wrote: > Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of > GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: Your first problem sounds like a screwed installation of gs, or perhaps some problem with raFS. > 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system > variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file > $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate I'd say that this is a bug in !PSUtils. It seems that if you have Wimp$Font defined, it assumes that you also have Wimp$FontWidth defined. I guess you are using a desktop font which isn't in ROM (ie not one of Homerton, Corpus or Trinity). Try setting Wimp$FontWidth to a suitable value, perhaps in your !Boot sequence, or switch to using a ROM-based font for your desktop. Note that I have no idea what a 'suitable value' for Wimp$FontWidth is! -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 17:43:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84817 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:43:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912445957:10:16399:15; Mon, 30 Nov 98 17:12:37 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100791; 30 Nov 98 17:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA18529 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:37 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA18524 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:25 GMT Received: from primrose (phrvn@primrose [137.205.192.26]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA27220 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:33 GMT Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:40:16 +0000 (BST) From: Nick Kaijaks To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript In-Reply-To: <36629E9A.65900FF9@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon, 30 Nov 1998, Graham Jones wrote: > but doesn't pass a file name to it (naturally, there is no file). It seems > that the results of this vary from user to user, at home I didn't get the > error above or the 'abort on data transfer' other people seem to get! Yes, in my experience too, that's due to a WimpSlot being too small. > > > 3. PSUtils, when clicked on, complains the it cannot find the system > > > variable Wimp$FontWidth, which is in the file > > > $.!Boot.Resources.!System.370. Modules.Wimp. Should I move or duplicate > > > > I'd say that this is a bug in !PSUtils. > > I would agree there - I'll put a fix in the software for a future version. > > > Try setting Wimp$FontWidth to a suitable value, perhaps in your > > !Boot sequence .... > > That should do the job. > > > Note that I have no idea what a 'suitable value' for Wimp$FontWidth is! > > I think 192 is the default, though I'm sure I will be corrected if I have > got it wrong. The values for Wimp$FontSize and Wimp$FontWidth are 16*point size, so 192 is fine. Incidentally, when you fix it, can you do it so that it doesn't fall over with 'Bad Number' if Wimp$FontWidth is set implicity by SetEval? By the way, the error someone mentioned about 'gs_init.ps not found' could be caused if they uncompressed the *contents* of the 5_10 folder into the !GhostScript application folder, rather than just copying it as a folder. i.e. the !GhostScript folder should contain five files, plus two folders (one called 5_10, one called fonts). Perhaps that should be in the readme, as I only worked it out by trial and error! Cheers for doing the ports - it's appreciated by the non-techies out here! TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ phd(?) physics, university of warwick ~ http://come.to/kaijaks mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 19:21:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84863 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:20:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912449121:10:12804:23; Mon, 30 Nov 98 18:05:21 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112005; 30 Nov 98 18:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA18767 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:36:05 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk (apollo.le.ac.uk [143.210.16.125]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA18762 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:35:53 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 0zkXFY-0004vf-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:36:40 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 17:36:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: PS files... & Ghost Script To: "'ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk'" In-Reply-To: <773CDF6F1D26D211B0B300A0C9D85B26ABF72D@icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Nov, REEVES-HALL, PC wrote: > I've tried intalling the "general" PostScript level 2 printer file in > !Printers and printing to file but I get an error about some file missing > in printers: , which is indeed not there. > (sorry can't remember the exact message) Are you, perchance, using CC's highly cooperative TurboDrivers or LaserDirect? If so, that's the problem. To fix it, copy Resources:$.Resources.Printers.ps.PSFiles.Level2.PSProlog2 to !Boot.Choices.Printers.ps.PSFiles.PSProlog2 (making any directories as necessary). -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK http://xmm4.xra.le.ac.uk/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 19:21:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84867 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:21:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912453525:10:26852:17; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:18:45 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026820; 30 Nov 98 19:18 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA18933 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:58:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA18928 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:58:16 GMT Received: from [158.152.240.61] (helo=fergusn) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkYWY-00015i-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 18:58:26 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 12:12:21 +0000 From: John Ferguson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: GhostScript Message-ID: <48AD17F6A6%john@fergusn.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40f for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.22 (27 Nov 1998) patch-3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61b Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" wrote: > Having followed Graham Jones's instructions for the installation of > GhostScript and PSUtils in raFS, I have the following difficulties: > 1. Clicking on the GS ikon produces the message: Can't find initialisation > file gs_init.ps. This file, installed in the application as instructed, > when run does run GS but with a long string of error messages. The only > command I've used successfully is "devicenames ==". Seems like you may have made the same mistake I did. Have you copied just the *contents* of the 5_10 directory from GSsup510.zip inside !GhostScr instead of the directory and its contents? John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 20:58:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84878 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 20:58:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912455354:10:16261:29; Mon, 30 Nov 98 19:49:14 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109826; 30 Nov 98 19:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA19043 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:23:50 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA19038 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:23:38 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkYvD-0005PQ-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:23:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 16:01:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ad2cf130david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <84549@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In article <84549@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > >Can anyone suggest a way to add dot separated groups of letters to the > >user dictionary ? I can add FRGS to the list but not F.R.G.S etc. > The spell checker does not support '.' as a valid character. It's > not capable of storing anything with stops in. > I can think of one work around, I believe later versions of OPro > generate an event before flagging an error and will let you handle > the error yourself. > OTOH full stops are used to mark the end of words, so you're > not going to get F.R.G.S dealt with as one word, rather as 4 words > each of one letter. Thanks for the reply, so... 1. How do I find out about finding and handling the error generated..bearing in mind that I know nothing about C, C++ etc 2. Could consideration be given to allowing combinations of letters including dots to be added to the dictionary at a future stage - like v2.52 please :-). To avoid confusion with full stops, the desired combinations could perhaps be surrounded by quotes or something in the dictionary, or held as a seperate file like !HyphDict.... -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 22:32:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84891 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:32:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912464793:20:18353:17; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:26:33 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2120501; 30 Nov 98 22:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19488 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:13:26 GMT Received: from odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (odo.cc.flinders.edu.au [129.96.252.15]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19483 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:13:12 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by odo.cc.flinders.edu.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13116 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 08:40:00 +1030 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19981201083709.009c6100@post.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@post.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:37:09 +1000 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Relative to full stops in spell check strings... >>2. Could consideration be given to allowing combinations of letters >>including dots to be added to the dictionary at a future stage - like >>v2.52 please :-). To avoid confusion with full stops, the desired >>combinations could perhaps be surrounded by quotes or something in the >>dictionary, or held as a seperate file like !HyphDict.... > >I suppose there are two things, first extend the dictionary format to handle >extra codes. Which has already been done to cope with Welsh (in Spell). > >Secondly slightly smarter spell checking code that looks ahead, to see if >text matches what is in the dictionary, before breaking it up into words. An extension along those line comes to mind: If smarter dictionary code could deal with punctuation etc, perhaps it might also include styles like super- and sub- scripts so that chemical formulas could be spell ckecked. K9H2O? :-) Regards, cpc -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Mon Nov 30 22:32:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84894 for opro ; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:32:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912463285:10:09975:16; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:01:25 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108500; 30 Nov 98 22:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA19385 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:46:35 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA19378 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:46:07 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkb92-0005z5-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 21:46:13 +0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 98 21:36:27 GMT Message-Id: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >1. How do I find out about finding and handling the error >generated..bearing in mind that I know nothing about C, C++ etc Forget it. It will be in the new documentation provided in the upgrade archive. But its a job for a programmer. >2. Could consideration be given to allowing combinations of letters >including dots to be added to the dictionary at a future stage - like >v2.52 please :-). To avoid confusion with full stops, the desired >combinations could perhaps be surrounded by quotes or something in the >dictionary, or held as a seperate file like !HyphDict.... I suppose there are two things, first extend the dictionary format to handle extra codes. Which has already been done to cope with Welsh (in Spell). Secondly slightly smarter spell checking code that looks ahead, to see if text matches what is in the dictionary, before breaking it up into words. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 01:45:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84900 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 01:45:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912466495:10:13877:22; Mon, 30 Nov 98 22:54:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013780; 30 Nov 98 22:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA19622 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:37:05 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA19617 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:36:53 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.90]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA20919 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:16:00 +0000 Message-ID: <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:25:50 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary References: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Am I missing something in this thread - why would you want to put periods in an abbreviation - surely you want an abbreviation to be as short as possible and have the expansion with periods or whatever? Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 13:43:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84921 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 13:43:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912487763:20:19049:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 04:49:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125320; 1 Dec 98 4:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA19974 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:33:18 GMT Received: from dove.mtx.net.au (root@dove.mtx.net.au [203.15.24.1]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA19969 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 04:33:02 GMT Received: from pprewett.dove.net.au (pppk56a-143.mtx.net.au [203.30.53.143]) by dove.mtx.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA13791 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 15:03:09 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 09:08:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Prewett Subject: Printing To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I am using a Risc PC with a Cannon BJC610 and find that the bottom of prints is cut off. I believe to overcome this problem that the printer definition file needs amending. (Re old Archive magazine issue) If this is the case why have not Acorn done this and have others modified the file and is a copy available. Peter -- Peter Prewett, Scott Creek, South Australia, -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 13:43:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84924 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 13:43:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912508131:10:20482:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 10:28:51 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121824; 1 Dec 98 10:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA20225 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:39:02 GMT Received: from hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (root@hades-sle.sharp.co.uk [193.114.241.3]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA20220 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:38:46 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk (inca.sle.sharp.co.uk [192.16.16.3]) by hades-sle.sharp.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA14108 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:32:58 GMT Received: from sharp.co.uk by sharp.co.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA24904; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:37:34 GMT Message-ID: <3663B934.9E1EBB3E@sharp.co.uk> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 09:39:00 +0000 From: Graham Jones Organization: Sharp Laboratories of Europe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ovation Pro List Subject: Updated Ghostscript and PSUtils Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Just a quick note to all you unfortunate people who have been finding the flaws in Ghostscript and PSUtils: I've put updated versions of the applications on the acornusers ftp site ftp://ftp.acornusers.org/pub/utils/postscript. The only files to change are PSUtils16.zip and GSapp510.zip. The web page itself has also changed slightly to include hopefully slightly clearer installation instructions (thanks to Nick Kaijaks for the suggestion) and some answers to the FAQ's I had so far. The action on double clicking on !Ghostscr has been tidied up, hopefully this will cause less confusion now. Also !PSUtils use of Wimp$FontWidth has been removed for the moment - so you don't need to have this set any more to use the utils! Thanks for your patience. Graham -- Graham.Jones@sharp.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 19:36:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84944 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912538056:10:00964:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 18:47:36 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000739; 1 Dec 98 18:47 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20837 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:33 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20824 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zkuPS-0007V3-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:36:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48adb97595david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <84884@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling wrote: > I suppose there are two things, first extend the dictionary format to handle > extra codes. Which has already been done to cope with Welsh (in Spell). > Secondly slightly smarter spell checking code that looks ahead, to see if > text matches what is in the dictionary, before breaking it up into words. Either of these would be excellent, though the second option sounds as if it might have wider possibilities. It could allow the user to specify almost anything they needed as being 'OK'. That could be a very powerful feature, allowing mathematical equations, algebra, and other 'odd' combinations to be accepted by the dictionary. In short, YES PLEASE! -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 19:36:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84946 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:36:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912538646:10:06446:15; Tue, 01 Dec 98 18:57:26 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115962; 1 Dec 98 18:57 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA20834 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:29 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA20825 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.053 #1) id 0zkuPS-0001h0-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 18:20:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 17:27:47 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48adb8ad79david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, Pete Bready wrote: > Am I missing something in this thread - why would you want to put > periods in an abbreviation - surely you want an abbreviation to be as > short as possible and have the expansion with periods or whatever? > Pete Bready > pbready@net.ntl.com Yep, you are missing something - I want to spell check them, not expand them. Why do I want to spell check them... so they don't keep arising as spelling errors. I send a lot of mail referring to various authorities, institutions and people, many of which involve abbreviations which consist of dot separated letters. For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up errors. -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 19:36:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84947 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912540834:20:12812:48; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:33:54 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012824; 1 Dec 98 19:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21145 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:14:24 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.18]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21140 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:13:52 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp186149.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.149]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA16402 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:12:01 +1300 (NZDT) Received: from localhost at Wed,02 Dec 1998.08:19:35 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:18:29 +1300 From: Ariancylch To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Start up without Pluto being 'active' Message-ID: References: <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body User-Agent: Messenger-Pro/1.75 (Newsbase) (RISC-OS/3.70) X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <48ac42a670dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Derrick Porter wrote: > On 28 Nov, Marten Gallagher wrote: > > For various reasons I would prefer Pluto not to open its window > > automatically when started. > > > I have mentioned this to Jonathan 'privately' and he is of the > > opinion, I believe, that this is an unnecessary option. > > I tend to agree with Jonathan on this. So do I - Pluto shouldn't be opening windows as it starts, except as an option. Ooops, guess I don't agree. > > I just wondered whether there wer others who might have the same > > view and that, if it is technically, possible that Jonathan might > > find time to proivde such an option if it were not too onerous. I > > have no idea of the implications of such a request in technical > > terms. > > Wouldn't it be better to canvas the view of Pluto users rather than > OvPro user? ;-)) Regardless it probably doesn't really belong here... -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 21:49:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84950 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 21:49:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912541923:10:10993:16; Tue, 01 Dec 98 19:52:03 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010965; 1 Dec 98 19:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA21244 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:33:51 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (mail1-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.222.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA21239 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:33:34 GMT Received: from LOCALNAME ([212.250.143.213]) by mail1-gui.server.ntli.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAA28973 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:27:09 +0000 Message-ID: <3664B5DB.647F@net.ntl.com> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 19:36:59 -0800 From: Pete Bready X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary References: <48adb8ad79david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro David Robinson wrote: > > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > Pete Bready wrote: > > Am I missing something in this thread - why would you want to put > > periods in an abbreviation - surely you want an abbreviation to be as > > short as possible and have the expansion with periods or whatever? > > > Pete Bready > > pbready@net.ntl.com > > Yep, you are missing something - I want to spell check them, not expand > them. > Just me being slow again! Eminently sensible and desirable! Cheers Pete Bready pbready@net.ntl.com -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Tue Dec 1 21:49:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA84957 for opro ; Tue, 01 Dec 98 21:49:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912547234:20:09925:17; Tue, 01 Dec 98 21:20:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009826; 1 Dec 98 21:20 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA21497 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:03:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA21492 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:03:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.85.61) [193.149.85.61] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zkwxb-0005HV-00; Tue, 1 Dec 1998 21:03:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 20:31:46 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <48adb8ad79david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Dec, David Robinson wrote: > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's > qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated > letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to > expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up > errors. But current practice is to leave out punctuation. I have just checked in the Register of members of the Royal Society of Chemistry. Punctuation is used to separate the separate qualifications, but even then not consistently. For example: Porter, Lord George, OM MA PhD ScD CChem HonFRSC FRS, etc, whereas the more humble Porter, Derrick George, BSc, MSC, CChem, FRSC has some separating commas. I have no idea why. Chemistry in Britain - a Journal published by the RSC - follows the second convention. I have also looked at a selection of business cards and those with a more "modern" appearance omit ALL punctuation. A couple of publications from other learned societies that I have looked at also omit punctuation. So it looks as though you can forget about punctuation without being accused of discourtesy. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 14:58:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85037 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 14:58:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912609203:20:11805:33; Wed, 02 Dec 98 14:33:23 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011729; 2 Dec 98 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id NAA22211 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:51:21 GMT Received: from satsuma.mail.easynet.net (satsuma.mail.easynet.net [195.40.1.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id NAA22206 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:51:09 GMT Received: from hertz.ukonline.co.uk ([195.40.112.13]) by satsuma.mail.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 0zlCjz-0006pR-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:54:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 22743 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1998 14:08:14 -0000 Received: from tnt-6-104.easynet.co.uk (HELO alan.h9.ukonline.co.uk) (195.40.201.104) by hertz.ukonline.co.uk with SMTP; 2 Dec 1998 14:08:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:41:02 +0000 (GMT) From: alan harvey Subject: Re: GhostScript / Vantage To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <36626B58.E9956BAE@sharp.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 30 Nov, Graham Jones wrote: > >From other peoples reports this sounds like a wimpslot problem. I must admit > to having my 'next' slot in the task manager set to 4Mb by default so I > probably missed this! Thanks! your tip solved a problem re Organiser not loading -- Keep the faith Alan Harvey -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 19:21:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85068 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 19:21:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912624049:20:05903:35; Wed, 02 Dec 98 18:40:49 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005664; 2 Dec 98 18:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA22552 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:24 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA22547 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:12 GMT Received: from [158.152.43.102] (helo=zephryus) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlGie-0002gy-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 18:09:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 02:10:53 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ade891a5david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In article <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk>, Derrick Porter wrote: > On 01 Dec, David Robinson wrote: > > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > > For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's > > qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated > > letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to > > expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up > > errors. > But current practice is to leave out punctuation. I agree that it is acceptable, if not preferred in the UK but there are still places around the world that use the old format, and there are still people who prefer to see their qualifications etc written the old way. It would just make my life a little easier if, when pleasing them, I didn't get spelling errors. The same problems applies to people's names: I can add David and James and Robinson to the dictionary, but not the initials D.J.R Separating initials with dots is definitely the currently preferred way of presenting the names of people submitting and presenting papers - in the world of geography and geology at least. > So it looks as though you can forget about punctuation without being > accused of discourtesy. I know I could, and probably very few people would mind, but since I write several letters each week to people who either prefer it the old way or have addresses involving dot separated initials, I'm sticking with a big 'please see if it can be done' :-) I accept that it might be a very, very low priority for other people though! -- Cheers, David -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 21:54:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85083 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 21:54:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912627556:10:07529:15; Wed, 02 Dec 98 19:39:16 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007418; 2 Dec 98 19:39 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA22727 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:06:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA22721 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:06:05 GMT Received: from (193.149.78.101) [193.149.78.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zlHbj-0000k5-00; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 19:06:39 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ian Wolfe) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 2 Dec 98 11:43:44 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Rightly or wrongly I understand from my former Business Studies colleagues that the format F.R.G.S is regarded as old-fashioned and that FRGS is now regarded as correct. -- ___ |_ _|__ _ _ __ Linlithgow - birthplace of | |/ _` | '_ \ Mary, Queen of Scots | | (_| | | | | |___\__,_|_| |_| Non omnia possumus omnes -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 21:54:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85087 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 21:54:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912633168:10:14026:17; Wed, 02 Dec 98 21:12:48 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013696; 2 Dec 98 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA22994 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:41:44 GMT Received: from mail.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA22989 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:41:28 GMT Received: from janvredenb.access.ch (megapop2-07.access.ch [195.112.73.7]) by mail.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.08pri) id VAA25244 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:42:01 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 21:38:02 +0100 (GMT) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary To: OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <48adc98583dgporter@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Tue 01 Dec, Derrick Porter wrote: > On 01 Dec, David Robinson wrote: > > In article <36638BEE.4634@net.ntl.com>, > > > > For example, in academic work, it is courteous to give a person's > > qualifications and titles; these often include dot separated > > letters such as F.R.G.S , F.R.S , O.B.E etc. I don't want to > > expand them - just have Ovation accept them without throwing up > > errors. > > But current practice is to leave out punctuation. I have just > checked in the Register of members of the Royal Society of Chemistry. > Punctuation is used to separate the separate qualifications, but even > then not consistently. For example: Porter, Lord George, OM MA PhD > ScD CChem HonFRSC FRS, etc, whereas the more humble Porter, Derrick > George, BSc, MSC, CChem, FRSC has some separating commas. I have no > idea why. Chemistry in Britain - a Journal published by the RSC - > follows the second convention. I have also looked at a selection of > business cards and those with a more "modern" appearance omit ALL > punctuation. > > A couple of publications from other learned societies that I have > looked at also omit punctuation. And I do believe this to be correct. May I suggest that someone in this thread, living in the UK, contacts the FCO, possibly the "Legal Department" and/or the office of the Vice-Marshall of the Diplomatic Corps. And ask their advice. Just to give you some ideas: One does mention SHAPE Headquarters, *NOT* S.H.A.P.E. Headquarters. The French mention l'OTAN, *NOT* l'O.T.A.N., or for the English speaking: "NATO". Other examples: 2nd ATAF (*NOT* 2nd A.T.A.F.) and the same for 4 ATAF, and SACEUR for Supreme Allied Commander Europe. I have never ever seen S.A.C.E.U.R. Generally one sees UNO, WHO, FAO, etc., etc. There can be situations where one wants to have the the full name mentioned, but refers to an abbreviation. In that case one would add the dots between the letters. An example: upon my father's death I received a letter from the secretary of the O.B.E. acknowledging to have been informed of the death of my father, MBE. Therefore I believe that if someone does want to include punctuation marks in abbreviations, he/she must cope with this problem his/herself. As far as I am concerned, this is not a OP problem. I worked at the Dutch Foreign Office for almost 20 years, in case someone wonders whether I know what I am talking about. And I also had multiple contacts with the FCO and very often asked their advice. The only wish I do have is a better understanding for French words. Especially all words including a ' (=Ascci39). Regards JohnV -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Wed Dec 2 22:45:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85106 for opro ; Wed, 02 Dec 98 22:45:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912638639:20:21207:15; Wed, 02 Dec 98 22:43:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020235; 2 Dec 98 22:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA23243 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:29:11 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA23238 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:28:56 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlKm3-0002je-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:29:32 +0000 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 98 22:15:57 GMT Message-Id: <85097@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >One does mention SHAPE Headquarters, *NOT* S.H.A.P.E. Headquarters. There you go then, OvationPro saves you from yourself. There must be cases where it is necessary. For example e.g. Although perhaps thats been modernised into eg Initials D. J. Pilling perhaps. However think about TWAIN, thats the real name. Its not T.W.A.I.N. (thing without an interesting name). Miss out the dots and how do you tell the difference? So it turns out that all those things beaten into one at school were just to cope with the limitations of typewriters... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85120 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912656759:10:26223:15; Thu, 03 Dec 98 03:45:59 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112795; 3 Dec 98 3:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA23548 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:18:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA23543 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:17:48 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.238) [193.149.77.238] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zlPHd-0001c5-00; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:18:26 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 03:18:05 +0000 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 2 Dec 98 (02:10:53 +0000), david@zephryus.demon.co.uk wrote: > >I know I could, and probably very few people would mind, but since I >write several letters each week to people who either prefer it the old >way or have addresses involving dot separated initials, I'm sticking >with a big 'please see if it can be done' :-) I accept that it might >be a very, very low priority for other people though! O.K. then... Just include each capital letter, by itself, in your user dictionary ;-) -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. 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Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I seem to remember some while back it being mentioned that Impression has an option to ignore all words of less than 2 or 3 characters. Wouldn't something like this be an easy/quick solution? Presumably each letter of a dot separated abrieviation would be treated as a single character word and be ignored. OK they wouldn't be spell checked, but you wouldn't get the error message either. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85133 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912680564:10:25539:16; Thu, 03 Dec 98 10:22:44 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105258; 3 Dec 98 10:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA23788 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:51:01 GMT Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com (neodymium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.83]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA23783 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:50:46 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.51.28] by neodymium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0zlVOT-0001Xo-00; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:49:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:47:32 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48ae96365ddarprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.10b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: <85097@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by omega.barnet.ac.uk id JAB23788 Following this thread prompted me to refer once again to our 'Bible', 'Hart's Rules for Compositors and Readers'. Apologies for the length of the extract, but I thought it all quite relevant to this discussion. "ABBREVIATIONS AND CONTRACTIONS As a general rule, abbreviations and contractions should be followed by a full point unless the shortened form consists of upper-case initials or i= s a recognized acronym pronounced as a single word: thus print BBC, HMS, OU= P, PAYE, PLC, SDP, SPCK, TUC, WEA; Anzac, Aslib, Fiat, Naa=9E (or NAAFI). Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are not required. Abbreviations and contractions used after names, such as Bt., Esq., Jun., SJ, etc., should be preceded by a comma. When necessary, the names of days and months to be shown as below: Sun. Mon. Tue. Wed. Thur. Fri. Sat. Jan. Feb. Mar. Apr. May June July Aug. Sept. Oct. Nov. Dec. Where the name of a county is abbreviated, as Yorks., Cambs., Berks., use= a full point; but print Hants (no full point) because it is not a modern abbreviation. 4to, 8vo, 12mo, etc. (sizes of books), are symbols, and should not have full points. A parallel case is that of 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and so on. In non-technical work print lb. and oz. for both sing. and pl.; not lbs. = or ozs. Also omit the plural -s in the following: bu., cm., cwt., dwt., g. (=3Dgrams), gr. (=3Dgrains), in., min., mm., sec. Insert the plural -s in= hrs., qrs., yds. When beginning a footnote, c. [circa], e.g., i.e., l. or ll., l.c., p. or pp., to be in lower case. Print a.m., p.m., in lower case. Generally print etc. not &c. Use the ampersand in names of =9Erms, as Freeman, Hardy, & Willis. The ampersand may be used, as directed, in dictionary or similar work. The points of the compass, N. S. E. W., when separately used, to have a full point: but print NE, NNW, etc. These letters to be used only in geographical or similar matter: do not, even if N. is in the copy, use th= e abbreviation in ordinary narrative; print =90Woodstock is eight miles nor= th of Carfax=91. MS=3Dmanuscript, MSS=3Dmanuscripts, to be spelt out when used in a genera= l sense. But in works in which the abbreviations are frequently used (such = as Introductions, Commentaries, etc., dealing with classical texts and technical in character), and in references to particular manuscripts, the contracted forms should be printed; e.g. the Worcester MS, the Harleian MSS, Add. MS 25642. Print AS (Anglo-Saxon), ME (Middle English), OE (Old English), OHG (Old High German), and other similar combinations in philological works; but when an author prefers A.S., M.E., etc., no space should be put between t= he letters. Print OED (Oxford English Dictionary), DNB (Dictionary of National Biography), COD (Concise Oxford Dictionary), NEB (New English Bible). For Saint use St generally, but S. if this is the author=91s consistent preference (plural SS). Before a French name use S. (masc., with point) o= r Ste (fem., no point). Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, the 1960s. Print A-bomb, H-bomb (no points). Print UN (=3D United Nations), not UNO. Print ITV, TV (no points). Print C (Celsius or centigrade), F (Fahrenheit) without points. As a rule, print nineteenth century, not 19th cent.; 9 per cent, not 9%.=20 These rules may be altered to accord with an author=91s special wishes, providing usage is consistent throughout a given work; and it may be preferable to omit full points from shortened forms which appear with gre= at frequency in a particular work. In addition common abbreviations and contractions may appear, as directed, without points in display work." Regards Roger --=20 Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85135 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912681664:10:06801:15; Thu, 03 Dec 98 10:41:04 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108892; 3 Dec 98 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA23893 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:03 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk (cusexim@ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.6]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA23886 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:12:50 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlVlM-00058n-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:13:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:14:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <48ae96365ddarprint@btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, Roger Mayne wrote: > Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower > case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. > (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., > D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd > (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are > not required. > [snip] > Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, ^^ This is patently silly, making me MA, Ph.D., with stops in the Ph.D. but not in the MA! The _Cambridge University Reporter_ prints stops in all degrees. (Except in the _Fellows of the Colleges_ number, where it prints small caps with no stops or commas). Anyhow, the OPro solution is either to have all single capitals in the dictionary, or to trap the spelling error event and stop an error from being generated if the word is less than a certain length; this is the behaviour in Impression, IIRC - words of two characters or less are never flagged as an error. If I have a couple of minutes at the weekend I might hack together an applet to do that, and probably stop Roman numerals from generating errors, too - I find that far more annoying than not being able to have words with full stops in the dictionary! -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 13:40:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85136 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:40:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912683668:10:27675:24; Thu, 03 Dec 98 11:14:28 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027615; 3 Dec 98 11:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA24093 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:48:12 GMT Received: from lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.44]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA24087 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:47:54 GMT Received: from mrc7acorn1.path.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.39.91]) by lilac.csi.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 0zlWJI-00078J-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:48:36 +0000 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:48:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Mike Clark Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Cambridge University, Department of Pathology. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, Rupert Thompson wrote: > On Thu 03 Dec, Roger Mayne wrote: > > > Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower > > case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. > > (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., > > D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd > > (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are > > not required. > > > > [snip] > > > > Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, > ^^ > This is patently silly, making me MA, Ph.D., with stops in the Ph.D. but > not in the MA! The _Cambridge University Reporter_ prints stops in all > degrees. (Except in the _Fellows of the Colleges_ number, where it > prints small caps with no stops or commas). > However I note that the Medical Journal "The Lancet" abbreviates Professor as Prof. and Doctor as Dr which I understand is because one is truncated in the middle of the word and the other at the end. Mike Clark, -- o/ \\ // || ,_ o M.R. Clark, PhD. Division of Immunology <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, Cambridge University, Dept. Pathology "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Tennis Court Rd., Cambridge CB2 1QP ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ Tel.+44 1223 333705 Fax.+44 1223 333875 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 14:22:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85151 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 14:22:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912692692:20:08619:29; Thu, 03 Dec 98 13:44:52 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008521; 3 Dec 98 13:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA24580 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:57:49 GMT Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA24572 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:57:20 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-123.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.123]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id VAA22158 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 21:57:35 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:07:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <002a01be1945$777bea40$5e46883e@dial4227> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Christmas card time again! I'm trying to do a mail merge to personalize my cards. I have 4 (A6 size) printed on each A4 sheet so they get printed like doubled galley prints. If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on each sheet? Hoping for a quick answer ! Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:47:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85184 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:47:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912709354:20:04473:23; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:22:34 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126101; 3 Dec 98 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25165 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:42:59 GMT Received: from netsrvr.ami.com.au (netsrvr.ami.com.au [203.55.31.38]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25160 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:42:42 GMT Received: from richard.ami.com.au (ppp5.ami.com.au [203.55.31.101]) by netsrvr.ami.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA17870 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:43:07 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 01:41:55 +0800 (GMT) From: Richard Clark Subject: Printing to file To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: HILLSTART (08)9293 1463 Perth Australia. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hi Can someone point us in the right direction on printing to file? thanks -- Richard, Jayne, Peter, Helen, Nicholas, and Laura. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:47:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85186 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:47:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912709377:20:04494:27; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:22:57 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004259; 3 Dec 98 18:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA25187 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:47:53 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA25182 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:47:41 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zlcrb-00026q-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 17:48:27 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 98 14:23:33 GMT Message-Id: <85152@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I >get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. >How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on >each sheet? Read the document on advanced mail merging on the www.beebug.com web site. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Thu Dec 3 18:47:30 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85188 for opro ; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:47:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912710730:20:28097:35; Thu, 03 Dec 98 18:45:30 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027766; 3 Dec 98 18:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA25284 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:17 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA25279 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:05 GMT Received: from [158.152.9.39] (helo=pilling.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zldEE-0005iL-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:11:50 +0000 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 98 17:49:53 GMT Message-Id: <85161@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Forwarded from the wrong address... From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: RE: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet Ian Platt wrote: > Christmas card time again! > > I'm trying to do a mail merge to personalize my cards. > I have 4 (A6 size) printed on each A4 sheet so they get printed like > doubled galley prints. > > If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I > get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on > each sheet? > Hoping for a quick answer ! This is a best guess, not a certain answer, as I'm not able to test it here. To put four identical documents on a sheet, rather than create 4 lots of artwork, create a single document A6 in size. Then use the Thumbnails tool to print (part of the Imposit applet). Use All Same. You should be able to get 4 to a page, provided the master page is significantly smaller than A6 (by approximately the margin of the original A4). In other words, if your printer has A4 defined with 10mm margins, then the A6 should be half A4 minus 2 times 10mm in each direction. (This may be conservative, but it seems to work.) So far, this is stuff I have tested. What I haven't tried is mail merging into it, but since each piece of output is a separate page, on a common sheet, there is a good chance it will work. Let me know (via this group) if it works, because I might use it myself. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:56:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85264 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:56:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912776109:10:11199:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 12:55:09 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011103; 4 Dec 98 12:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26547 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:34 GMT Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26537 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:12 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-040.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.40]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id VAA19197 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:32:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:33:12 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <85152@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I > >get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > >How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on > >each sheet? > > Read the document on advanced mail merging on the www.beebug.com > web site. Many thanks David. Apologies for shortening your patience. Humbly contrite & grateful Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:56:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85271 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:56:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912768509:20:17310:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 10:48:29 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121867; 4 Dec 98 10:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA26095 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA26090 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:21:54 GMT Received: from (193.149.87.130) [193.149.87.130] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zlsNr-0000ld-00; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 10:22:48 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Derrick Porter To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 09:38:18 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <48af193433dgporter@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Dot seperated letters in user dictionary In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 03 Dec, Mike Clark wrote: > However I note that the Medical Journal "The Lancet" abbreviates > Professor as Prof. and Doctor as Dr which I understand is because > one is truncated in the middle of the word and the other at the end. Yes, I was taught this many years ago ... if an abbreviated word ends with the same letter as the whole word it should not be followed by a full stop, whereas if it ends with a different letter, then it should. In the olden days, when compositors roamed the earth, it mattered not to them whether they inserted a piece of lead representing a space or a point - the effort was the same. I remember some twenty, maybe thirty years ago, a drive in the civil service to simplify the production of typescripts. Among other changes, paragraphs were not to be indented in the first line, and all unnecessary punctuation was eliminated. -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Derrick G Porter dgporter@argonet.co.uk Tel: +44 1798 81 2383 ..... in deepest Sussex ..... ___________________________________________________________________________ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 13:56:57 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85273 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912776431:20:19527:18; Fri, 04 Dec 98 13:00:31 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121148; 4 Dec 98 12:59 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26549 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:40 GMT Received: from pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (pproxy02.gol.ad.jp [203.216.1.132]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA26539 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:31:14 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-1-040.shinjuku.gol.ne.jp [203.216.10.40]) by pproxy02.gol.ad.jp (8.9.1/8.9.1/891-SMTP-P) with SMTP id VAA19200 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:32:04 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:41:37 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet PROBLEM SOLVED,Thanks. To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <85152@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, David Pilling wrote: > > >If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I > >get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > >How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on > >each sheet? > > Read the document on advanced mail merging on the www.beebug.com > web site. > > > > David Pilling Many thanks David (and Alan Adams) for replying. Apologies for not having read the 'label on the packet' (or at least looked in the obvious place first!) The answer is: 'Label printing', (and of course, the answer is in the place it should be, doh). A suitably humbled, contrite & grateful Ian P. -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 18:17:31 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85305 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 18:17:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912793315:20:14994:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 17:41:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117987; 4 Dec 98 17:41 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA26993 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:31 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de (linteuto.teuto.de [194.77.23.26]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26988 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:18 GMT Received: from 212.8.202.178 (shelley.ucs.de [212.8.202.178]) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA09796 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:22:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199812041722.SAA09796@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: 04 Dec 1998 13:43:24 GMT Subject: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In your earlier message you wrote: > >Forwarded from the wrong address... > > >From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 >Subject: RE: Re: Mail merging - 4 to a sheet > >Ian Platt wrote: > >> Christmas card time again! >> >> I'm trying to do a mail merge to personalize my cards. > >> I have 4 (A6 size) printed on each A4 sheet so they get printed like >> doubled galley prints. >> >> If I use the CSV file of name, address etc, to feed the mail merge, I >> get the same name on each of the 4 cards on one sheet. > >> How do I get the system to move to the next name so there are 4 names on >> each sheet? > >> Hoping for a quick answer ! > >This is a best guess, not a certain answer, as I'm not able to test it here. > >To put four identical documents on a sheet, rather than create 4 lots of >artwork, create a single document A6 in size. Then use the Thumbnails tool to >print (part of the Imposit applet). Use All Same. You should be able to get 4 >to a page, provided the master page is significantly smaller than A6 (by >approximately the margin of the original A4). In other words, if your printer >has A4 defined with 10mm margins, then the A6 should be half A4 minus 2 times >10mm in each direction. (This may be conservative, but it seems to work.) > >So far, this is stuff I have tested. What I haven't tried is mail merging into >it, but since each piece of output is a separate page, on a common sheet, >there is a good chance it will work. > >Let me know (via this group) if it works, because I might use it myself. You can get 4 times the same on one page using Thumbnails but if You switch-off "All same" OP will print each record on a page of its own (as if "Thumbnails" was not on). Thumbnailing with mail-merge just does not fill the sheets with thumbnails but uses a new page for each record. "All same" works but do I need, say, 21 stickers for the same person? I still convert CSVs for address labes into plain text with an additional 0x0C for each LF. This way addresses will fill pages on import and print correctly. With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 18:17:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85307 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 18:17:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912793632:20:19507:16; Fri, 04 Dec 98 17:47:12 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019030; 4 Dec 98 17:46 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA27000 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:22:31 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com (gcsin1.gecm.com [194.128.74.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA26995 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:57 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com (gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com [137.221.7.24]) by gcsin1.gecm.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id RAA08096 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:22:50 GMT Received: from bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA19033; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:49 GMT Received: from mr.geccs.gecm.com by bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3322) id <01J4Y4QJ8FUO000MTD@bdwmgt.geccs.gecm.com> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:21:30 GMT Received: with PMDF-MR; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:01:28 +0000 (GMT) Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40.MUAS; Relayed; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:01:28 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta CAUV40; Relayed; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:08:55 +0000 Mr-Received: by mta GCSCHM; Relayed; Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:21:17 +0000 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 17:01:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Printing photos separately from text In-Reply-To: <3663B934.9E1EBB3E@sharp.co.uk> To: ovationpro Message-Id: <4828011704121998/A03043/CAUV40/11CC24410200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Importance: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11CC24410200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;4828011704121998/A03043/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In order to speed up printing on a newsletter, and save on the cost of ink, I would like to print pages in two passes - one with the photos, and the other with the text. Is there some simple trick I can use to do this, e.g. setting the text colour to a spot black? Obviously I will need to be prepared for registration problems, but I intend to allow a couple of mm white round the pictures. (Overlaying text on the photos is an area I don't even want to think about at this stage.) The reason for this is that printing text with the colour cartridge in a Canon BJC4650 seems to be a bit slower than using the black only cartridge and the ink is supposed to cost less in the black only as well. In addition, the amount of black in the colour cartridge is small, and on my first print run, ran out after 40 sheets. -- Alan Adams -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 21:13:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85321 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 21:13:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912797477:10:28654:15; Fri, 04 Dec 98 18:51:17 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028625; 4 Dec 98 18:51 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA27249 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:35:19 GMT Received: from out1.ibm.net (out1.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA27244 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:35:07 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-82-117.bar.es.ibm.net [139.92.82.117]) by out1.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 23:27:28 +0100 (GMT) From: James White Subject: Re: Dot separated letters in user dictionary To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: James White X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Thu 03 Dec, Mike Clark wrote: > On Thu 03 Dec, Rupert Thompson wrote: > > On Thu 03 Dec, Roger Mayne wrote: > > > > > Abbreviations and contractions consisting of a mixture of upper and lower > > > case take full points, as in I.o.W. (Isle of Wight), Bt. (Baronet), Kt. > > > (Knight), Ltd. (Limited), St. (Street), and University degrees (D.Litt., > > > D.Phil., Ph.D., etc.); exceptions to be made for Dr (Doctor), Revd > > > (Reverend: not Rev), Mr, Mrs, Mme, Mile, St (Saint); here full points are > > > not required. > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > Omit the apostrophe in the plurals B.Litt.s, MAs, MPs, QCs, the sixties, > > ^^ > > This is patently silly, making me MA, Ph.D., with stops in the Ph.D. but > > not in the MA! The _Cambridge University Reporter_ prints stops in all > > degrees. (Except in the _Fellows of the Colleges_ number, where it > > prints small caps with no stops or commas). > > > > However I note that the Medical Journal "The Lancet" abbreviates Professor > as Prof. and Doctor as Dr which I understand is because one is truncated in > the middle of the word and the other at the end. > Yes this type of convention applies when abbreviating musical instrument names. Full stops are used after short names but it is considered good taste not to use one where the short name ends with the last letter of the full name. So Piano becomes Pno and Tuba is Tba . Trumpet is Tpt. _but_ Second Trumpet becomes Tpt 2. . However, many thanks to Roger Mayne for his long and instructive extract which now goes into my UserBible. JW -- ---------------- Acorns in Spain Tel: +34 971 872322 Fax: +34 971 872309 ---------------- I never argue with someone I agree with -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Fri Dec 4 22:33:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85341 for opro ; Fri, 04 Dec 98 22:33:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912809210:10:14815:16; Fri, 04 Dec 98 22:06:50 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1109514; 4 Dec 98 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA27488 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:38 GMT Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA27483 for ; Fri, 4 Dec 1998 21:51:26 GMT Received: from lizard (dialup011.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.43]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id WAA18819 for < Message-ID: <3668CA1C.D7C@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:52:28 -0800 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Printing photos separately from text References: <4828011704121998/A03043/CAUV40/11CC24410200*@MHS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > > In order to speed up printing on a newsletter, and save on the cost of ink, > I would like to print pages in two passes - one with the photos, and the > other with the text. > > Is there some simple trick I can use to do this, e.g. setting the text > colour to a spot black? > > Obviously I will need to be prepared for registration problems, but I intend > to allow a couple of mm white round the pictures. (Overlaying text on the > photos is an area I don't even want to think about at this stage.) > Two solutions. Define a new colour (called, say, Black2). Set everything except your photos in Black2. If Black2 is defined as a spot colour, then just choose and pint either the Black separation, or the Black2 separation. Alternatively, redefined Black to be white, and print; separately redefine Black2 to be white, and print. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85357 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912850622:10:27606:16; Sat, 05 Dec 98 09:37:02 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027586; 5 Dec 98 9:36 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA27993 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:22:08 GMT Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-22.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.7]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA27988 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:21:53 GMT Received: from [158.152.98.218] (helo=gvine.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.054 #1) id 0zmDvW-0001BK-00 for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 09:22:59 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:22:55 GMT Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 09:22:00 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: !TransTiff Message-ID: <398c9baf48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Who owns !Transtiff? This has to be a diabolical piece of software. This morning I spent 45 minutes creating a title in photodesk. Saved it as a tiff with alpha and auxilliary data. Then I drop it into a frame in OP. !Transtiff then produces an error saying something wasn't implemented in this version. I click OK and the ****** deletes the original image from the filer! That's really clever. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 13 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85360 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912863155:20:22006:15; Sat, 05 Dec 98 13:05:55 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2102814; 5 Dec 98 13:05 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA28604 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:52:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA28599 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:52:29 GMT Received: from (193.149.77.214) [193.149.77.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zmHDN-0005IA-00; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:53:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 12:46:41 +0000 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.20b Subject: Re: !TransTiff Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro We use this filter for import TIFFs into Ovation and Impression as well. Generally it works, but we have had the same f'ing problem. It's very, very annoying. Does anyone know of a piece of software that will also cope with CMYK JPEGs, as supplied by stock photgraphy libraries? Unfortunatly, I know of no solution to the TransTIFF problem though. Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@omega.barnet.ac.uk Sat Dec 5 14:43:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA85361 for opro ; Sat, 05 Dec 98 14:43:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 912854456:10:06013:19; Sat, 05 Dec 98 10:40:56 GMT Received: from omega.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.200.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1110461; 5 Dec 98 10:40 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA28221 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:27:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by omega.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA28215 for ; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:27:37 GMT Received: from (194.69.101.131) [194.69.101.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #3) id 0zmExA-0003Ya-00; Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:28:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 4 Dec 98 (20:49:18 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Printing photos separately from text Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: