From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:57:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73935 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:57:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901958096:20:18564:17; Sat, 01 Aug 98 07:54:56 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2018551; 1 Aug 98 7:54 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA26424 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:32:38 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA26419 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:32:26 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.218) [193.130.246.218] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2WAV-0006sN-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:33:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:21:42 +0100 Message-ID: <486e5550a2stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Text selection bug? Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is selected. This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a full stop, colon or semi colon. I am using OP v2.50 Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:58:04 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73938 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:58:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901963585:20:22424:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 09:26:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2022302; 1 Aug 98 9:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA26612 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:13:06 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA26607 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:12:55 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.204) [193.130.246.204] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2Xjl-0007dn-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:14:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:07:22 +0100 Message-ID: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486e5550a2stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: > Hello, > I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma > without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second > word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in > !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or > !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is > selected. > This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a > full stop, colon or semi colon. > I am using OP v2.50 > Steve. Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the next word. Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. There was a longish discussion elsewhere in the recent past, about punctuation conventions regarding the full stop. Where traditionally two spaces after the stop are used... but in modern times/thoughts, some people prefer the single space after a stop. Hope this helps Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09c -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:58:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73940 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:58:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901967218:20:15391:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 10:26:58 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015351; 1 Aug 98 10:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id LAA26768 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:17 +0100 Received: from atlantica.access.ch (atlantica.access.ch [195.112.71.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id LAA26763 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:14:05 +0100 Received: from janvredenb.access.ch by atlantica.access.ch (8.8.5/INA-1.05pri) id MAA28011; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:15:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 18:31:23 +0200 (BST) From: Jhr JMAH van Vredenburch Subject: Re: SEX SYMBOLS To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980727120421.00968140@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: JMvV: tel +41 41 3706124; fax +41 41 3706120 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On Mon 27 Jul, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > At 22:56 26/07/98 +0100, you wrote: > >In on Sun 26 Jul, Richard Watkinson > wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a font which includes the two symbols used to indicate > >> the sex of fauna and flora? > > Note that these are also the astronomical (or astrological) symbols for > Mars and Venus so you might also look for 'astro' type fonts and find some > additional styles there. Take care. The astronomical (or astrological) symbols for Mars and Venus are not quite the symbols you want for your sex symbols. Their design might even be contra-productive for acceptance of your papers. -- JM van Vredenburch; tel +41 41 3706125 | Acorn Schaedruetihalde 5 fax +41 41 3706120 | Computers CH - 6006 Luzern email janvredenb@access.ch | only :-) .. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Sat Aug 1 14:58:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73942 for opro ; Sat, 01 Aug 98 14:58:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901971152:20:10627:18; Sat, 01 Aug 98 11:32:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010525; 1 Aug 98 11:32 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA26944 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:18:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id MAA26939 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:18:01 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.168) [193.130.246.168] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2Zgq-00018Q-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:19:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:17:11 +0100 Message-ID: <486ec2c375stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: [snip] > Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the > next word. > Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. Yes, I realise this, but after producing a document consisting of 250+ pages there are bound to be a few typing errors, and this was one of them. I only came across the bug when I was switching the order of a few words around, and didn't notice the lack of the space. Anyway, there are situations in my field of work were no space is required after a comma and the next character, for example in the naming of chemical compounds (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-........ Alright, I may have found the bug through a typing error, but it is still a bug that needs fixing. Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:32:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73957 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:32:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901993094:10:15886:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 17:38:14 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124676; 1 Aug 98 17:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA00370 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:20:07 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA00365 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:19:53 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2fJz-0002Ra-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:19:55 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:29:33 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk>, D.A.Symes writes >On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: >> Hello, > >> I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma >> without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second >> word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in >> !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or >> !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is >> selected. > >> This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a >> full stop, colon or semi colon. > >> I am using OP v2.50 > >> Steve. > >Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the >next word. >Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. > >There was a longish discussion elsewhere in the recent past, about >punctuation conventions regarding the full stop. > >Where traditionally two spaces after the stop are used... but in modern >times/thoughts, some people prefer the single space after a stop. > That's all very well, but it still doesn't make OP's behaviour right, does it?. I'm sure DP wold prefer to know about these little buglets, than have everyone ignore them, even if he doesn't intend to fix them immediately. Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:33:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73959 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:32:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 901998751:10:29111:17; Sat, 01 Aug 98 19:12:31 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119702; 1 Aug 98 19:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA00571 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:01:58 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA00566 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:01:47 +0100 Received: from userl548.uk.uudial.com (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.75.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2guh-0006rj-00; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:01:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <486eb6640arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <486e5550a2stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: > Hello, > I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma > without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second > word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in > !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or > !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is > selected. I would have thought OP exhibited the correct behaviour. Words are only separated by a comma plus a space, whereas a word containing a punctuation mark without a space is correctly regarded as a word until the space is put in to separate the words. IYSWIM. I can't see any occasion, other than in a CSV file where cat,dog,budgie,etc would be written. Oh dear, Pluto treats it as a word and hasn't split it over the line break ;-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:33:49 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73965 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:33:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902006515:20:11554:32; Sat, 01 Aug 98 21:21:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011463; 1 Aug 98 21:21 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA00897 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:08:27 +0100 Received: from poseidon.tcp.net.uk (poseidon.tcp.net.uk [195.80.0.224]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA00892 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:08:12 +0100 Received: from thouky.tcp.co.uk (en1-165.du.tcp.co.uk [195.80.3.165]) by poseidon.tcp.net.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27893 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:08:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 22:07:25 +0100 (BST) From: Alexander Thoukydides Subject: Re: Formatting puzzle To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: As little as possible X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Aug, Mike Williams wrote: > Has anyone suggestions on how best to cope with the following: > > I have to typeset about a dozen tables. Each table has a column for each > month of the year and a varying number of rows. The entries in the table > are all numbers, but some numbers are put, sic, as '450+'. The question > is how can I set tabs such that all numbers including those with a > following plus sign are correctly aligned right by the last digit. E.G. > > 35 > 450+ > 210 Easy. Use decimal tabs stops where you want the numbers to line up, and under the document preferences (Misc=>Preferences) Text options change the "Decimal tab character" to "+". Hope this helps. Of course, if any of the numbers include decimal points and you want those to line up then you need a more complicated solution, but you may be able to fudge something by using a non-printing character as the decimal tab character... -- -- Alexander Thoukydides E-mail: -- Bournemouth, England WWW: .... I may not be right, but I'm never wrong! -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73969 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902031333:20:00620:20; Sun, 02 Aug 98 04:15:33 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104805; 2 Aug 98 4:14 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA01399 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:59:05 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA01394 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:58:53 +0100 Received: from (wilmot.demon.co.uk) [193.237.215.73] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2pIY-0005nN-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:59:07 +0000 Received: from loopback ([127.0.0.1]) by wilmot.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 02 Aug 1998 02:58:22 GMT Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 04:54:39 +0100 From: Paula Thomas To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <486eb6640arayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40d for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by odie.barnet.ac.uk id EAA01395 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by odie.barnet.ac.uk id EAB01399 In message <486eb6640arayd@argonet.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > On 31 Jul, Stephen Brown wrote: > > Hello, >=20 > > I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a com= ma > > without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second > > word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in > > !Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap= or > > !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog"= is > > selected. >=20 > I would have thought OP exhibited the correct behaviour. Words are only > separated by a comma plus a space, whereas a word containing a punctuat= ion > mark without a space is correctly regarded as a word until the space is > put in to separate the words. IYSWIM. >=20 That would be fine if that was what !ovnpro did. It doesn't it you click on 'dog' just (ie only) 'cat' gets highlighted!=A0(I've just tried it!) Paula Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:08 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73970 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902003833:10:10194:16; Sat, 01 Aug 98 20:37:13 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010146; 1 Aug 98 20:37 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA00719 for ovationpro-list; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:21:38 +0100 Received: from host1.kbnet.co.uk (root@host1.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.2]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA00714 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:21:27 +0100 Received: from lizard (dialup009.kbnet.co.uk [194.168.148.41]) by host1.kbnet.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA13168 for < Message-ID: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 21:20:34 -0700 From: Mike Williams X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Formatting puzzle References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone suggestions on how best to cope with the following: I have to typeset about a dozen tables. Each table has a column for each month of the year and a varying number of rows. The entries in the table are all numbers, but some numbers are put, sic, as '450+'. The question is how can I set tabs such that all numbers including those with a following plus sign are correctly aligned right by the last digit. E.G. 35 450+ 210 Etc. Any suggestions welcome. Mike Williams Akalat Publishing -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73973 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902050250:20:05997:17; Sun, 02 Aug 98 09:30:50 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005941; 2 Aug 98 9:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA01606 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:51 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01598 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:29 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08511 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:05:50 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Text selection bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486ec2c375stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 01 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > On 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: > > [snip] > > > Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the > > next word. > > Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. > > Yes, I realise this, but after producing a document consisting of 250+ > pages there are bound to be a few typing errors, and this was one of them. > I only came across the bug when I was switching the order of a few words > around, and didn't notice the lack of the space. > > Anyway, there are situations in my field of work were no space is required > after a comma and the next character, for example in the naming of chemical > compounds (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-........ > > Alright, I may have found the bug through a typing error, but it is still a > bug that needs fixing. > I don't understand why you should see this as a bug. It seems to me to be perfectly tenable that, in establishing what are inevitably simplified rules for what are the boundaries of a word, that a space should be a determinant. There are bound to be special circumstances which create awkward consequences, which may or may not be resolved by tweaks to the rule, but that does not make the original rule a bug. My second confusion is that your example seems to strengthen the argument for the space - surely the chemical name is more like a single word than several. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73978 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902068250:20:13312:17; Sun, 02 Aug 98 14:30:50 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013254; 2 Aug 98 14:30 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA02125 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:20:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA02120 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:19:49 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.173) [193.130.250.173] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2yzY-0001pm-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:20:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Adrian John Warrick To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:15:02 +0100 Message-ID: <486f56dfb0awarrick@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Formatting puzzle In-Reply-To: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Aug, Mike Williams wrote: > Has anyone suggestions on how best to cope with the following: > I have to typeset about a dozen tables. Each table has a column for each > month of the year and a varying number of rows. The entries in the table > are all numbers, but some numbers are put, sic, as '450+'. The question > is how can I set tabs such that all numbers including those with a > following plus sign are correctly aligned right by the last digit. E.G. > 35 > 450+ > 210 > Mike Williams I hope I don't get flamed for this but if you use Impression, devise a style which has the decimal point character set as a hard space (Alt+Space). The decimal point tab can then be used to position the table contents which are automatically right justified to the hard space. The hard space being the same size (not counting different fonts) will cause the numbers to be justified as required I can't see how to do this in Ovation though I am only just converting to OvPro. I have had it since its inception, but it still doesn't do the one thing I bought it for. :-{ i.e. Bottom align text properly in any linked frames or multi-column frames. In these cases I would want the text to flow to the last frame and work backwards to the first with the text in the half-empty frame aligned to the bottom of the frame. p.s. why isn't the text alignment (up, down, centre and justify) one of the style options? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ awarrick@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73981 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902013501:10:27285:19; Sat, 01 Aug 98 23:18:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107984; 1 Aug 98 23:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA01095 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:08:21 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA01090 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:08:08 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.78) [193.130.246.78] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z2kl9-0003ax-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:08:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:18:55 +0100 Message-ID: <486eff58facharlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Formatting puzzle In-Reply-To: <35C3E912.13EF@kbnet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Aug, Mike Williams wrote: > Any suggestions welcome. Enter a hard space (alt+space) or alt160 or hex [A0] after all the ones without a suffix using !Edit or F4 whatever and you must change typeface to Corpus or some other constant width font then they ought to all align right in the form you require Mike. I just tried it setting your sample into three lines and applying align right tab, it works OK.. Touch difficult if you must use a non constant width typeface though... I cannot help with that scenario. Sorry. Hope this helps -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73986 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902098943:20:27893:17; Sun, 02 Aug 98 23:02:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027686; 2 Aug 98 23:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02774 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:49:08 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA02767 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:48:55 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp130.enterprise.net [194.72.195.130]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 23:48:30 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: 2.49??, To: Sarnian Cc: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486f7cee31Sarnian@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro cc'ed to the list for reasons below. On Sun 02 Aug, Sarnian wrote: > On 02 Aug, Sam Smith wrote: > > The kind of problem's I'm having is - saving as a text file > > saves the clipboard, not the file - Menu options from the > > icon bar lock the machine up rather than doing what they are > > supposed to do. error windows not disappearing (looks like > > something doesn't like the new window manager). Amongst other > > things. > > Hi Sam, > > When you upgraded to 2.49 did you manually copy the template > file across into !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK? The ugrader fails to > perform this task and causes havoc as 2.49 is using the > templates for the previous version of Ovation Pro. Nope. I followed the instructions. Oops. > Version 2.50 is much more stable and can be downloaded from the > Beebug web site. You will still have to manually move the > template file over from the 2.50 upgrade. I now have a virtually fully functional 2.50. hanks to Sarnian for letting me know about 2.50 - the website still shows 2.49 as the latest (manually change the URL). It now all works, except the "View Document" and "Discard Document" options on the icon bar, which are permanaently greyed. Not that I am bothered, when they weren't they crash the program, but I would rather they were usable. Also, would the author of the person who wrote the Documents Applet, the one which puts a list of the 10 most recently opened files on the icon bar list, consider putting a "purge list" option on? So that the list can be cleared whenever? Also, maybe somethig which indicates teh file was on a floopy disc (and not an error message when it can't find the file)? And a completely silly question, but has anyone done a Keystrip for the Function keys? I *will* get a working installation. Eventually. Cheers and thank you kindly for all your help. Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 11: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm converting my calendar watch from Julian to Gregorian. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73988 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902050156:10:16274:16; Sun, 02 Aug 98 09:29:16 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116098; 2 Aug 98 9:28 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id KAA01605 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:50 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA01594 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:28 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08507 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:16:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:12:47 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Text selection bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486eb6e0f0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sat 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Where traditionally two spaces after the stop are used... but in modern > times/thoughts, some people prefer the single space after a stop. > I know this is a bad idea to reopen an old thread, but... I thought it was only modern times (the typewriter) which had introduced the double space. Before that, whether with pen and ink or in molten lead, it was what looked right. Eventually, computing will give us all that flexibility back, perhaps... probably not until after the Microsoft era, though. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:34:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA73997 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:34:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902130522:20:14586:16; Mon, 03 Aug 98 07:48:42 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014542; 3 Aug 98 7:48 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id IAA03414 for ovationpro-list; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:33:27 +0100 Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk (root@holyrood.ed.ac.uk [129.215.166.17]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id IAA03406 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA20701 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:33:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:30:05 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Text selection bug? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <486f7cfd27stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > On 02 Aug, Alf Chamings wrote: > > On Sat 01 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > > My second confusion is that your example seems to strengthen the argument > > for the space - surely the chemical name is more like a single word than > > several. > > In effect, the chemical name shown above is one word, but just try pasting > the example into !Ovation, and then double click anywhere within the name. > > No matter were you click, ONLY the first three characters "(1R" get > selected ! > OK, now I see the problem. That is very strange. I notice the spellchecker highlights 'R', 'isopropyl' and 'methylcyclohexyl'. Depending on the kind of writing you were doing, I suppose that might be more useful than the whole name because the constituent parts would crop up more frequently than the whole name, and there would be fewer of them. Regards Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:35:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74019 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902090976:10:28696:18; Sun, 02 Aug 98 20:49:36 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028633; 2 Aug 98 20:49 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA02546 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:30:32 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA02541 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 21:30:19 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (max01-043.enterprise.net [194.72.197.43]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMT Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 20:42:01 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: 2.49? To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Has anyone else experienced massive problems with version 2.49? Te kind of problem's I'm having is - saving as a text file saves te clipboard, not the file - Menu options from the icon bar lock the machine up rather than doing what they are supposed to do. error windows not disappearing (looks like something doesn't like the new window manager). Amongst other things. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 14: I'd love to go out with you, but I'm going downtown to try on some gloves. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Mon Aug 3 22:35:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74022 for opro ; Mon, 03 Aug 98 22:35:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902098959:10:10198:24; Sun, 02 Aug 98 23:02:39 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1104022; 2 Aug 98 23:01 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA02742 for ovationpro-list; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:45:49 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA02737 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:45:35 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.13) [193.130.245.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z36t4-0001Xa-00; Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:45:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:11:15 +0100 Message-ID: <486f7cfd27stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 02 Aug, Alf Chamings wrote: > On Sat 01 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: > > On 01 Aug, D.A.Symes wrote: [snip[ > > Anyway, there are situations in my field of work were no space is > > required after a comma and the next character, for example in the naming > > of chemical compounds (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-........ > > > > Alright, I may have found the bug through a typing error, but it is still > > a bug that needs fixing. > I don't understand why you should see this as a bug. It seems to me to be > perfectly tenable that, in establishing what are inevitably simplified rules > for what are the boundaries of a word, that a space should be a determinant. > There are bound to be special circumstances which create awkward > consequences, which may or may not be resolved by tweaks to the rule, but > that does not make the original rule a bug. > My second confusion is that your example seems to strengthen the argument > for the space - surely the chemical name is more like a single word than > several. In effect, the chemical name shown above is one word, but just try pasting the example into !Ovation, and then double click anywhere within the name. No matter were you click, ONLY the first three characters "(1R" get selected ! OTOH !Impression treats each "-" as a word boundary, and if you double click within the brackets, the phrases from the cursor up to the closing bracket (excluding the bracket) are selected. !Pluto treats the name as one single word, well almost, it just depends whether you click within the brackets or outside them. If inside the brackets then the whole name is selected, but outside the brackets, everything after the closing bracket is selected. Steve. -- __ ___ (_ |_ _ _ |__) _ _ __ / Stephen.Brown@argonet.co.uk __) |_ (-'\/(-' |__)| (_)\/\/ | | / Argonet, Internet Access for all __________________________________/ Acorn RISC OS machines -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 13:55:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74095 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 13:55:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902231423:10:27127:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 11:50:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027033; 4 Aug 98 11:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id MAA04381 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:28:03 +0100 Received: from helium.tip.nl (helium.tip.nl [195.18.64.71]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id MAA04368 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 12:27:47 +0100 Received: from t669454.tip.nl by helium.tip.nl with smtp (Smail3.2 #23) id m0z3Ozy-001YzIC; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:06:18 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:16:42 +0200 (BST) From: Nico ter Haar Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Oxygen, the Netherlands. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In on Wed 29 Jul, Nigel Parker wrote: > > Two simple(!) questions: > > What will be the performance increase for OvPro on Phoebe? Has this been > tested yet or maybe estimated? > > To coincide with Phoebe's release it would be handy for me (perhaps for > most people) to have a full reinstall of OvPro rather than upgrade the old > (2.45 I think) version. Do beebug have any plans for a full installation > of the latest version to be made available? By email/https/post? > > Out of interest - https would seem to be a safe and very convenient way to > distribute software (especially since Browse will soon fully supprt this - > its in beta ATM). Anybody have any thoughts on this. > This will force people to buy either ANTsuite or Acorn Browse, not a very good tactic to get upgrades IMHO. I've both BTW so I'm not affected, altough they have to ship the HTTPS module out of the UK first. regards nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl ----> Acorn FoonGrep2 - NOW supporting the "1998 CDfoons" ! Pulstar Pages WWW site -- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 16:14:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74121 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 16:14:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902240688:20:03389:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 14:24:48 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122663; 4 Aug 98 14:24 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05549 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:59 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05525 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:18 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.208) [193.130.250.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3T5W-0002qC-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:28:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. S. Ahmed) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Mon, 3 Aug 98 23:06:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Would it be possible to integrate OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 so that the work cooperatively? For example, you will write a letter in OvationPro and send it off (as Fax) by clicking on a button. Or you might have an OCR function in Ovation which will place the OCRed text into Ovation with all the Styles? I have another query. Would anyone know where I can get an Urdu font which I can use with Ovation. I know there is an Applette which allows you to write from right to left (!WriteLeft, but at the moment it is a little 'buggy'. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks. -- __ __ __ __ ________________________________ |__ |__| |__| |__ | | | / / __|| | | | | | |_\| / Shafiq Ahmed / ________________________\_/________s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk__/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 16:14:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74122 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 16:14:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902241848:20:17717:18; Tue, 04 Aug 98 14:44:08 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114707; 4 Aug 98 14:43 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05550 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:01:02 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05531 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:00:19 +0100 Received: from (193.130.250.208) [193.130.250.208] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3OvN-0005wD-00; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:01:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Someone Else) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Sun, 2 Aug 98 08:53:10 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Fri 31 Jul 98 (16:21:42 +0100), stephen.brown wrote: "Hello, " "I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma "without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second "word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in "!Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap "or !Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word ""dog" is selected. " "This effect also applies if the character separating the two words is a "full stop, colon or semi colon. " "I am using OP v2.50 " "Steve. Correct behaviour is what Ovation Pro and Pluto do. Correct separation is to add one space after a comma and two after a full stop. Courtesy of Dugdale's Secreterial College, Edinburgh. Ken -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 17:41:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74124 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:41:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902243421:10:18055:22; Tue, 04 Aug 98 15:10:21 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017997; 4 Aug 98 15:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA05782 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:52:11 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA05777 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:51:59 +0100 Received: from (arcade.demon.co.uk) [158.152.17.41] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3iRn-0004sP-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:52:19 +0000 Date: 04 Aug 1998 07:11:11 +0100 Message-ID: <980805155117@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection bug? Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>> I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma >>> without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second >> >word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in >> >!Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or >> >!Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is >> >selected. [cut] >>Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the >>next word. >Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. [cut] >That's all very well, but it still doesn't make OP's behaviour right, does >it?. I'm sure DP wold prefer to know about these little buglets, than have >everyone ignore them, even if he doesn't intend to fix them immediately. Well actually I think it *does* make OP's behaviour right. Perhapse it doesn't make it as flexible as it could be but it is right. The fact that you are not observing the generally acepted norms for listing (which you have every right to do) doesn't mean that generalised software has to support that. (\/)atthew -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | Free Internet E-mail and Anti-UCE News | | / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \ | +44 181 654 2212 also +44 181 655 4412 | | A R C A D E | Croydon UK - Fidonet#2:254/27.0 | | The Definitive Acorn BBS | http://arcade.demon.co.uk at weekends | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 17:41:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74127 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:41:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902245499:10:16177:31; Tue, 04 Aug 98 15:44:59 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120796; 4 Aug 98 15:44 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id QAA05977 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:23:18 +0100 Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12] (may be forged)) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id QAA05966 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:22:57 +0100 Received: from riscpc.student.wau.nl (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01J07PFKC1BY003KXK@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:28:50 GMT +0100 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:23:24 +0200 (BST) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Faulty printed pictures To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-id: X-Organization: Wageningen Agriculture University, http://www.wau.nl/ MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hi all I've send this mail before, but I didn't get an answer and now I'm having the same problem again. When I print OvationPro documents with graphics (sprite, draw, artworks) not all the graphics are printed. Some are printed upside down, some are printed really strange and some are printed good. It are documents of approximately 28 pages A5-format printed as pamphlet. Using a Turbodriver for the HP lj4. I'm currently using RiscOS3.7 but without the SA. I've got an ARM 710 and 42Mb RAM. The documents contain many photo's so the documents are about 7Mb in size. Can someone please tell me what I'm doing wrong and how to solve that problem. regards -- X X | Steven Ottens aka GraphRisc X | WWW: http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno X X | |=>Newsgroups: for reply delete: CUT.THIS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:19:57 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74141 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:19:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902250020:10:25382:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:00:20 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025190; 4 Aug 98 17:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA06337 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:41:20 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA06332 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:41:09 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.55) [193.130.246.55] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3k9R-0006ws-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:41:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 17:45:35 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Problem with find and replace. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Hello, Occasionally I have to strip many hundred of bracketed text from a document. This has never been a problem until today. I always use find and replace facility, placing the wild card for a string \* within the brackets (\*) and replace this with a single space or nothing. Today I got a Type 5 Error when I tried to 'Replace..End of file' and when I tried 'Replace' singly after the four successful replacement I got 'Internal error, no stack for trap handler. Prefetch Abort.pc=63206568:registers at 0011C75C Any ideas what's happening? Paul Hedge -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:24:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74147 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:24:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902262175:10:06833:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 20:22:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1006420; 4 Aug 98 20:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06734 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:57:01 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA06729 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:56:50 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3kNb-0003qA-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:56:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 04 Aug 98 17:52:35 GMT Message-Id: <74139@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Faulty printed pictures X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >When I print OvationPro documents with graphics (sprite, draw, artworks) >not all the graphics are printed. Some are printed upside down, some are >printed really strange and some are printed good. This is the classic problem with Turbo drivers handling one RISC OS call upside down. The fix is to have the (latest off the web site) CCPrfix file installed in !OvnPro.Library David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:25:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74149 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:25:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902255353:20:12394:20; Tue, 04 Aug 98 18:29:13 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012368; 4 Aug 98 18:29 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA06506 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:09:46 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA06501 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:09:35 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.13) [193.130.246.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3lWy-0000oU-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 19:09:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Tue, 4 Aug 98 19:11:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Find and Replace Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R Hello, Occasionally I have to strip many hundred of bracketed text from a document. This has never been a problem until today. I always use find and replace facility, placing the wild card for a string \* within the brackets (\*) and replace this with a single space or nothing. Today I got a Type 5 Error when I tried to 'Replace..End of file' and when I tried 'Replace' singly after the four successful replacement I got 'Internal error, no stack for trap handler. Prefetch Abort.pc=63206568:registers at 0011C75C Any ideas what's happening? Paul Hedge -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 21:25:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74151 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:25:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902260692:20:01429:21; Tue, 04 Aug 98 19:58:12 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104264; 4 Aug 98 19:58 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA06651 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:28:27 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA06646 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:28:12 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (max05-057.enterprise.net [194.72.198.57]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMT Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 18:48:48 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Mon 03 Aug, Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Wed 29 Jul, Nigel Parker wrote: > > > > Two simple(!) questions: > > > > What will be the performance increase for OvPro on Phoebe? > > Has this been tested yet or maybe estimated? > > > > To coincide with Phoebe's release it would be handy for me > > (perhaps for most people) to have a full reinstall of OvPro > > rather than upgrade the old (2.45 I think) version. Do > > beebug have any plans for a full installation of the latest > > version to be made available? By email/https/post? > > > > Out of interest - https would seem to be a safe and very > > convenient way to distribute software (especially since > > Browse will soon fully supprt this - its in beta ATM). > > Anybody have any thoughts on this. > > > This will force people to buy either ANTsuite or Acorn Browse, > not a very good tactic to get upgrades IMHO. I've both BTW so > I'm not affected, altough they have to ship the HTTPS module > out of the UK first. I think it is a good idea - although something will have to be done about https. And, if I understand it, the reason they can't export https out of Britain is that they can't export it to the states. Anywhere else is fine I think.. Just my 2pence worth. Either way, if someone from Beebug / Sir David Pilling Programmers Inc could let me know the situation, I will be mentioning OvPro in the next Phoebe and Friends column for Archive, and it would be helpful to let people know of the situation. This is not for the next issue of the magazine, but for 12-01. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 6: I'd love to go out with you, but I have to stay home and see if I snore. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Tue Aug 4 22:48:13 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74167 for opro ; Tue, 04 Aug 98 22:48:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902265200:20:14987:16; Tue, 04 Aug 98 21:13:20 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014849; 4 Aug 98 21:12 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA07010 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:22 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA06997 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:51:08 +0100 Received: from (nmalden.demon.co.uk) [158.152.194.89] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3o3G-0005Fr-00; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:51:23 +0000 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 21:26:46 +0100 (BST) From: Charles Barraball Subject: Re: Oops! (wasText selection bug?) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Dad x4;Grampa x3; Churchwarden;surveyor;dtp-er;'42-er; X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Sun 02 Aug, Someone Else wrote: > Courtesy of Dugdale's > Secreterial College, Edinburgh. ^ So that's why my amenuensis can't use a spell checker! :-) Charles -- Home 0(+44)1719490708-Vox; 0(+44)8701640025-Fax * RiscPC * Listowner procad-users * ProCAD 1.04? Work mailto:charles.barraball@dswark.org.uk http://www.dswark.org 0(44)1714038686-Vox; 0(44)1714034770-Fax -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 01:03:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74178 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 01:03:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902268416:20:16907:22; Tue, 04 Aug 98 22:06:56 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016792; 4 Aug 98 22:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA07277 for ovationpro-list; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:37:21 +0100 Received: from mnhepc.hep.umn.edu (mnhepc.hep.umn.edu [128.101.222.192]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA07272 for ; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:37:09 +0100 Received: by mnhep.hep.umn.edu for ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk; Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:37:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:37:27 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-Id: <980804163727.24000122@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: Phoebe and OvPro - performance and updates Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I think it is a good idea - although something will have to be >done about https. And, if I understand it, the reason they can't >export https out of Britain is that they can't export it to the >states. Anywhere else is fine I think.. I'm sorry, but I still think it's a sledgehammer to crack a nut. Why do you need a secure encrypted channel to download a software update? It is not sensitive information! The only sensitive part would be the password you use to access the server - but IMO this is in no way in the same class as, say, credit card numbers. Easier solutions would involve a simple username/password combination to gain access to the download area of the web server (same scheme as used by Acorn CLAN, Navaho, Powertec, or many other web sites) - or by somehow encrypting a freely available download using a serial number (as ANT do for their internet suite). Also, that would be expecting Beebug to set up an https-capable server, which I suspect might be beyond their present resources (in time and effort). Better to keep things simple. HTTPS is a can of worms, given the stupidity of encryption laws around the world. I'm sure there are many other places other than the US where export would be forbidden - France, for example, comes to mind. It's unbelievable that the UK won't allow its export, when even the US has allowed export of crippled, low-security (but still encrypting!) versions of Netscape, etc. There's nothing Acorn or any of us can do about it, though. Graham -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 14:13:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74199 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:13:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902285815:10:16739:18; Wed, 05 Aug 98 02:56:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016592; 5 Aug 98 2:56 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id DAA07596 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:32:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id DAA07591 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 03:32:22 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3tNh-0007JZ-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 02:32:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 03:25:13 GMT Message-Id: <74195@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Find and Replace X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >I always use find and replace facility, placing the wild card for a string \* >within the brackets (\*) and replace this with a single space or nothing. >Today I got a Type 5 Error when I tried to 'Replace..End of file' and when I >tried 'Replace' singly after the four successful replacement I got > 'Internal error, no stack for trap handler. > Prefetch Abort.pc=63206568:registers > at 0011C75C In general if an operation which contains many steps crashes, one suspects the undo/redo code. On the other hand your later example seems to be on a much smaller scale. So I'd be more inclined to wonder if the document is corrupt. First thing to do then is save as DDL and reload, and see if the problem persists. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 14:13:22 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74205 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:13:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902300461:20:26820:16; Wed, 05 Aug 98 07:01:01 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2121839; 5 Aug 98 7:00 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA07753 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:28 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA07743 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:05 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3x9c-00069T-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:34:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:27:14 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message , Mr. S. Ahmed writes >Would it be possible to integrate OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 so that the >work cooperatively? > [snip..] Ooer, yes please! I've been considering buying ArcFax to replace my MS effort, this little extra would definately sway it for me. But perhaps it's already possible with a ittle more effort? Select ArcFax as printer, and print out fax? Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 14:13:47 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74206 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 14:13:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902301150:20:02404:23; Wed, 05 Aug 98 07:12:30 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129030; 5 Aug 98 7:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA07751 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:25 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA07742 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:34:05 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z3x9c-0001CY-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:34:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:19:36 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text selection bug? In-Reply-To: <980805155117@arcade.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <980805155117@arcade.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Hambley writes [he didn't originally, but has carelessly snipped the attributions] >>>> I've just noticed that if you have two words joined together by a comma >>>> without a space (ie. cat,dog), then if you double click on the second >> >>word "dog" then the word "cat" gets highlighted. If you try this in >> >>!Pluto, then both words plus the comma get highlighted, but with !Zap or >> >>!Impression the correct behaviour is observed, ie only the word "dog" is >> >>selected. >[cut] >>>Sorry Steve, but you're suppose to have a space between the comma and the >>>next word. >Thus: cat, dog, man, woman, etc. >[cut] [Tony van der Hoff wrote...] >>That's all very well, but it still doesn't make OP's behaviour right, does >>it?. I'm sure DP wold prefer to know about these little buglets, than have >>everyone ignore them, even if he doesn't intend to fix them immediately. > [Matthew Hambly wrote ...] >Well actually I think it *does* make OP's behaviour right. Perhapse it >doesn't make it as flexible as it could be but it is right. The fact that >you are not observing the generally acepted norms for listing (which you have >every right to do) doesn't mean that generalised software has to support >that. > Never mind generally accepted norms for listing (whatever that may mean). I can imagine editing operations when you have got something wrong, and want to select a particular word to allow you to correct it. If you double click on a word then you expect that word to be selected, not part of it, and certainly not something somewhere else. So the choice, when clicking on the "dog" part of "cat,dog", is to either select the entirety of "cat,dog", or just select "dog". You may legitimately argue in favour of the former. However, selecting just the "cat" part is plainly confusing and as such is *wrong*. This has nothing to do with what will be acceptable or correct in the final version of the text. It does however prevent one from selecting the 'dog' part or the entirety of the clearly (in this instance) erroneous text "cat,dog", in order to, for instance, delete it or move it to another location. There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 15:22:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74228 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 15:22:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902324339:20:24319:23; Wed, 05 Aug 98 13:38:59 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109439; 5 Aug 98 13:38 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA08603 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:23:03 +0100 Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk (mail.compulink.co.uk [194.153.0.20]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA08597 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:22:51 +0100 Received: from turnbull (turnbull.compulink.co.uk [194.153.4.31]) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA28526 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:23:15 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:51:11 +0100 From: Steve Turnbull To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Organization: The Turnbull Family X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R In message Tony van der Hoff wrote: > In message , Mr. S. Ahmed > writes > > Would it be possible to integrate OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 > > so that the work cooperatively? > > > [snip..] > > Ooer, yes please! I've been considering buying ArcFax to replace my MS > effort, this little extra would definately sway it for me. > > But perhaps it's already possible with a ittle more effort? Select > ArcFax as printer, and print out fax? Can't see the problem -- I admit I've never tried it with OPro but I use ArcFax with Impression and Techwriter all the time. What level of integration did you want? ArcFax is a printer driver/ app combination, print to the ArcFax driver and then send it (even automatically if you embed the phone number). For Sleuth it's a bit different, but what on earth is "unintegrated" about a simple drag'n'drop. We really don't want monolithic applications that do everything, do we? -- Steve Turnbull (steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk) http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/ .... "Bother", said Pooh, as he kicked hell out of his modem. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 21:20:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74252 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 21:20:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902342755:20:11447:16; Wed, 05 Aug 98 18:45:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116110; 5 Aug 98 18:45 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id TAA09150 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:31:44 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id TAA09145 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:31:29 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z48Lw-0000Sw-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:32:01 +0000 Date: Wed, 05 Aug 98 18:24:24 GMT Message-Id: <74237@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >ArcFax is a printer driver/ app combination, print to the ArcFax driver >and then send it (even automatically if you embed the phone number). >We really don't want monolithic applications that do everything, do we? What you could have would be a button that switched to the ArcFax printer driver, printed the document and then switched back to the previous printer. RISC OS doesn't have a way of doing that, but I believe a hack was written up in AU some months back. A good example of what may be meant is scanning. Currently you scan into David Pilling's scanning software, probably have to save to disc because the scan it too big to have two copies in memory, and then load back into OPro. Much nicer to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 21:20:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74254 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 21:20:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902346657:20:17716:20; Wed, 05 Aug 98 19:50:57 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017665; 5 Aug 98 19:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA09361 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:36:19 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA09352 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:36:00 +0100 Received: from (arcade.demon.co.uk) [158.152.17.41] by post.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z49MQ-0006gE-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 19:36:35 +0000 Date: 05 Aug 1998 18:41:08 +0100 Message-ID: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> From:(Matthew Hambley) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection Organization: Arcade - The Definitive Acorn BBS X-Mailer: ArcadeLink - Email/News Gateway X-System: ArcadeLink Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth >the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite >acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by >saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way the code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code doesn't do what you expected it to do. Double clicking slects the text between two spaces and I have never seen it do anything else. As you point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much so that I very rearly use the double-click method. Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so consider it yours. (\/)atthew -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | Free Internet E-mail and Anti-UCE News | | / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \ | +44 181 654 2212 also +44 181 655 4412 | | A R C A D E | Croydon UK - Fidonet#2:254/27.0 | | The Definitive Acorn BBS | http://arcade.demon.co.uk at weekends | -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Wed Aug 5 23:02:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74263 for opro ; Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:02:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902352363:10:03705:17; Wed, 05 Aug 98 21:26:03 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003164; 5 Aug 98 21:25 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA09665 for ovationpro-list; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:02:25 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA09660 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:02:09 +0100 Received: from (193.130.244.41) [193.130.244.41] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4Ahn-0005ml-00; Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:02:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "D.A.Symes" To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:53:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4871016317df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 In-Reply-To: <74237@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Much nicer to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. > David Pilling Oh yes... I like the sound of that... Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 01:13:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74270 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 01:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902359596:10:03814:16; Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:26:36 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003674; 5 Aug 98 23:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA09922 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:53 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09915 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:30 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.82.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4CdA-0000Fg-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:06:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:52:18 +0100 Message-ID: <48710c414crayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 In-Reply-To: <74237@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > A good example of what may be meant is scanning. Currently you scan into > David Pilling's scanning software, probably have to save to disc because the scan it too big > to have two copies in memory, and then load back into OPro. Much nicer > to have a TWAIN applet for OPro and scan straight into it. How about Sleuth 3 text being scanned directly into Ovation Pro, which can then be used to correct it, rather than having to save it separately. Using RTF, it would recreate the page in OP. If you had a scan button in OP, you could just click on it and the text would appear page by page. What a novel idea? Just like you can do with TextBridge or OmniPage with Word or WordPerfect ;-) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 01:14:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74271 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 01:13:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902359638:20:14852:25; Wed, 05 Aug 98 23:27:18 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118563; 5 Aug 98 23:27 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id AAA09924 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:56 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09913 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:05:29 +0100 Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.149.82.249] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4CdB-0000Fg-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:06:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:58:05 +0100 Message-ID: <48710cc8a2rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection In-Reply-To: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On 05 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not > >worth the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is > >quite acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the > >issue by saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never > >be so. > I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way > the code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code > doesn't do what you expected it to do. Double clicking slects the text > between two spaces and I have never seen it do anything else. As you > point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much so > that I very rearly use the double-click method. > Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so > consider it yours. Hey, I just double clicked on 'double-click' using Pluto and it selected the whole word! Hang on a minute ... cat,dog,bunny-rabbit ... hey Pluto does the same as Ovation Pro! Maybe we have the makings of a standard here. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 03:30:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74299 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 03:30:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902369214:10:20287:17; Thu, 06 Aug 98 02:06:54 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020137; 6 Aug 98 2:06 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id CAA10309 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:56:50 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id CAA10304 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:56:39 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4FIr-0003Pv-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 01:57:17 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 01:17:27 GMT Message-Id: <74275@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >How about Sleuth 3 text being scanned directly into Ovation Pro, which can >then be used to correct it, rather than having to save it separately. >Using RTF, it would recreate the page in OP. If you had a scan button in >OP, you could just click on it and the text would appear page by page. Yes they missed a trick or two here. I think they'd say that the correction interface in Sleuth is better - you get a display of where the text came from. I'd think there was some mileage in Sleuth having some sort of external interface - command line at the least. input sprite file and output text. Then you could use it to automatically convert received faxes etc. However I'm no expert and not involved with the project so, perhaps not for me to say. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 13:59:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74302 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 13:59:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902387501:10:08274:19; Thu, 06 Aug 98 07:11:41 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008243; 6 Aug 98 7:11 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA10486 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:50:03 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA10481 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:49:50 +0100 Received: from (193.130.244.185) [193.130.244.185] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4Jsb-0003n1-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:34:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4871102087stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Text selection In-Reply-To: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R On 05 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth > >the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite > >acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by > >saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. > I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way the > code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code doesn't do > what you expected it to do. But the code doesn't do what you expect it to! If I double click on a word then I expect that word to be highlighted, and not some other word or phrase a distance away. If you still don't believe me then try the example I gave in a previous mail: (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-..... Paste the above line into !Ovation pro and then double click any where within the name, the result is certainly NOT the selection of the text between two spaces! > Double clicking slects the text between two spaces and I have never seen it > do anything else. hmmm?. Not in the above example. If you try this in either !Zap, !Impression, !StrongEd or even !Edit then double clicking selects the text between either spaces or punctuation marks and in my mind, this is far better (correct?) way of of handling the selection of text. Even, dare I say it, Microsoft Word handles the selection of text in the same manner as !Impression etc. As pointed out by Alf Chamings, !Ovation's spell checker appears to identify words separated by either a space or punctutation marks (as does !Impression), so why doesn't the same apply to the selection of text via a double click within !Ovation? > As you point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much > so that I very rearly use the double-click method. You may not use the double click method of selecting words but I'm sure many other people, including myself, do use it; it is very quick and efficient method of editing text. > Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so consider > it yours. May be Mr. Pilling should have the last word? Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 15:33:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74328 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 15:33:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902412505:20:29422:32; Thu, 06 Aug 98 14:08:25 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029412; 6 Aug 98 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA11179 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:16 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA11174 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:05 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.84) [193.130.245.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4QTJ-0000Zs-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:52:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 (12:48:11 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Text selection Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro I'm using OPro V2.49, and find that taking Steve's example text (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-.... does have an interesting effect. by double clicking anywhere within this string I can get either just the '(IR' highlighted, /or/ the complete string. I can see no set pattern in this behaviour, but the most frequent result is highlighting the first section of the string, ie, whatever text precedes the first commar. I do however have reason to suspect that my new mouse is exhibiting some contact bounce on the select button. Whatever, there does seem to be a slight oddity here, a the result of double clicking is not the same as I have experienced in other programs like !Edit, where the section of the string to be highlighted would definitely be under the pointer. Dave D -- _ |_|._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ / Acorn Computers - for intelligent people globally | || (_|(_)| |(/_ |_ / dedunn@argonet.co.uk - using SA RiscPC 66M/4Gig _| / Stylus Col800, Scanflat 800, Storm DMA32, USR 56K Tel: 01775 750535 _/ Irlam 24i16. ZFC Ag, Acorn Clan & Arm Club member -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 15:33:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74330 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 15:33:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902412531:10:07791:24; Thu, 06 Aug 98 14:08:51 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118472; 6 Aug 98 14:08 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id OAA11115 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:25:37 +0100 Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk (pp@pp.hw.ac.uk [137.195.151.253]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA11110 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:25:26 +0100 Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Ovation Pro List Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:29:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4871620410C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: The other OvPro web site Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R The web site I put up for Ov Pro resources gets steady traffic, and appears to be well used. Regular users may have noted there have been very few additions to the download area of late. This is essentially due to lack of submissions. If you have anything you think would be of use to Ovation Pro users, then why not e-mail it to me, and I will add it to the site. Not just applets, but alternative sprites, document templates, etc. If you have any suggestions for material that might be of interest, then let me know. I have started trying to produce a sort of FAQ/hints and tips section (don't all rush immediately - nothing is on the site yet!). If anyone out there has already extracted material from the mail list to produce their own hints/tips/whatever, it could save me a lot of time if I was able to make use of it in some way. Any help would be appreciated and acknowledged. Just in case there are some new members of this list who are not aware of the url, here it is again (*don't forget the final /) http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ Regards to all Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 18:09:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74339 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 18:09:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902414063:20:17186:17; Thu, 06 Aug 98 14:34:23 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016879; 6 Aug 98 14:33 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id PAA11300 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:10:37 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wxs.nl (smtp04.wxs.nl [195.121.6.59]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA11295 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:10:24 +0100 Received: from crusius.wxs.nl ([195.121.77.102]) by smtp04.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with SMTP id AAA16B8 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:10:33 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:07:51 +0100 (GMT) From: "W.H. Stenfert Kroese" Subject: Re: Text selection To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk In-Reply-To: <4871102087stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: W.H. Stenfert Kroese, (crusius@wxs.nl). X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.46] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Aug, Stephen Brown wrote: (snip) > > If you still don't believe me then try the example I gave in a previous mail: > (1R,2R,5R)-2-isopropyl-5-methylcyclohexyl-1-..... > Paste the above line into !Ovation pro and then double click any where within > the name, the result is certainly NOT the selection of the text between two > spaces! > (snip) > > If you try this in either !Zap, !Impression, !StrongEd or even !Edit then > double clicking selects the text between either spaces or punctuation marks > and in my mind, this is far better (correct?) way of of handling the > selection of text. > > Even, dare I say it, Microsoft Word handles the selection of text in the same > manner as !Impression etc. :-} > (snip) > > Steve. > Well, if !Zap, !IP, !StrongEd en (perhaps) even Word did what you say they do, then they would do exactly the same as OP. If you double click in your example the comma is a boundary in OP, being a punctuation mark. But probably the comma is not recognised as delimiting a word in !Z,!I,!S and (perhaps)W. :-) Define and use a comma with another ascii number, or use another sign, global replacing it in the end with a comma, and you'll get exactly the behaviour you want. Hope it helps. Kroese -- W.H. Stenfert Kroese, Dr. Schaepmanlaan 11,3972 ET Driebergen. Acorn RiscOs PC + InetSuite by ANT. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 19:33:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74350 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 19:33:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902424415:20:10686:38; Thu, 06 Aug 98 17:26:55 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105851; 6 Aug 98 17:26 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11881 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:09:10 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA11876 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4TXr-0000bU-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:09:43 +0000 Date: Thu, 06 Aug 98 15:52:07 GMT Message-Id: <74332@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Subject: Re: Text selection X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >May be Mr. Pilling should have the last word? Well I can at least explain things. You click at a point in a word, and OPro moves a pointer back to the 'start of word' using a standard routine from the click point, that routine stops moving back when it hits a space. Another pointer is then moved from the start of word position to the 'end of word'. That stops when it hits a comma amongst other things. The text between the two pointers is then marked. So defining the start of a word as a space and the end as a comma leads to this odd effect. You could think of other variations on this like set off from the click position twice, once forwards and once backwards. Perhaps that would be more aceptable. I think >I can get either just the '(IR' highlighted, /or/ the complete string. might be the result of triple clicking selecting an entire line. As ever things turn out to be more complex than they appear at first sight. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 19:33:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74351 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 19:33:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902424917:20:15751:18; Thu, 06 Aug 98 17:35:17 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113244; 6 Aug 98 17:34 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA11941 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:17:18 +0100 Received: from pop01.globecomm.net (pop01.globecomm.net [206.253.129.185]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id SAA11934 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:17:06 +0100 Received: from samsmith.enterprise.net (ppp419.enterprise.net [194.72.196.165]) by pop01.globecomm.net (8.9.0/8.8.0) with SMTP Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 12:46:55 +0100 (BST) From: Sam Smith Subject: Re: Text selection To: Ovation Pro List In-Reply-To: <48710cc8a2rayd@argonet.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.09] Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 05 Aug, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 05 Aug, Matthew Hambley wrote: > > >There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not > > >worth the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is > > >quite acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the > > >issue by saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never > > >be so. > > > I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way > > the code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code > > doesn't do what you expected it to do. Double clicking slects the text > > between two spaces and I have never seen it do anything else. As you > > point out there are other ways to select an area of text. So much so > > that I very rearly use the double-click method. > > > Anyway I can see your determined to have the last word on this so > > consider it yours. > > Hey, I just double clicked on 'double-click' using Pluto and it selected > the whole word! > > Hang on a minute ... cat,dog,bunny-rabbit ... hey Pluto does the same as > Ovation Pro! Maybe we have the makings of a standard here. A treble-click selects the whole of cat,dog,bunny-rabbit in OvPro. Cheers Sam Smith mailto:SamS@techie.com http://sams.base.org Friends Spoiler List - mailto:FriendsSpoil@mindless.com -- 29 ways to decline a date : 4: I'd love to go out with you, but I have to check the freshness dates on my dairy products. -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 19:33:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74352 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 19:33:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902427449:20:10785:16; Thu, 06 Aug 98 18:17:29 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124064; 6 Aug 98 18:17 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id SAA12105 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:47:12 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA12100 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:46:57 +0100 Received: from (193.130.245.196) [193.130.245.196] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4U8Y-0003sS-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:47:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: OvationPro List Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 15:09:08 +0100 Message-ID: <487165afb0charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09c for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Bug in borders Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro Status: R I may have identified a bug in Borders application to Objects. I had created three text boxes the same size to take incomming and outgoing references and a date. The boxes were placed aligned left and right edges with a vertical spacing of half box height between each box. Size W65mm x H10mm x 5mm gap. Font Trinity 12pt. To each box in turn I applied null frame border but added a Drop Shadow of 0.25mm to Right and to Below. This is quite common in business letters. When the boxes were represented with shadows on screen they appeared to differ in thickness - each shadow of constant thickness to the box designated - but all three visually slightly different in thickness. When printed the variation was reproduced. How do I get all boxes nominated with a 0.25mm Drop and right shadow to actually display and print as such? or is this a bug? RPCSA202 OvProv.2.50 Screen in use 1024x768pxls x256colours. Anyone else find this? have I missed anything? Over to you David. -- Bob Charlton -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Thu Aug 6 22:04:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74361 for opro ; Thu, 06 Aug 98 22:04:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902433872:20:14646:16; Thu, 06 Aug 98 20:04:32 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014570; 6 Aug 98 20:04 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA12374 for ovationpro-list; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:44:45 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id UAA12369 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:44:34 +0100 Received: from (193.130.251.56) [193.130.251.56] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4VyT-000628-00; Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:45:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr. S. Ahmed) To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Thu, 6 Aug 98 20:17:33 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: OvationPro, ArcFax and Sleuth 3 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro On Wed 5 Aug 98 (13:51:11 +0100), steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk wrote: [Snip] > Can't see the problem -- I admit I've never tried it with OPro but > I use ArcFax with Impression and Techwriter all the time. What level > of integration did you want. [and Snip] I'm not looking for total integration, that a ArcFax becomes part of Ovation, but instead use it to add an extra automated facility. For example, the !TransFSI filter uses !ChangeFSI application to convert bitmaps automatically without the user knowing. In OvationPro this could work by clicking a button or a menu option. A dialogue box would appear asking the user to type the fax number or select a number from the address book. Once this is done then the user would select send (or cancel). About 'OCRing' I read a review in one of the Acorn magazines some time ago that Optima Professional (I think) allows a menu option to appear in Impression Publisher. -- __ __ __ __ ________________________________ |__ |__| |__| |__ | | | / / __|| | | | | | |_\| / Shafiq Ahmed / ________________________\_/________s.ahmed@argonet.co.uk__/ -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 13:51:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74387 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 13:51:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902473848:10:18715:16; Fri, 07 Aug 98 07:10:48 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123358; 7 Aug 98 7:10 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id HAA13129 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:51:39 +0100 Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id HAA13124 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:51:26 +0100 Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4gNw-0005WO-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 06:52:20 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:54:13 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Text selection In-Reply-To: <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro In message <980806203544@arcade.demon.co.uk>, Matthew Hambley writes [I wrote...] >>There are other ways of making the selection, so maybe this is not worth >>the discussion; it's certainly not worth a religeous war. OP is quite >>acceptable in use with this bug unfixed; but don't obfuscate the issue by >>saying it's behaviour in this case is correct. It can never be so. > Good grief, I'm beginning to suspect this is a wind-up. If so, I must acknowledge that it is having a modicum of success... >I wouldn't describe it as a bug. It is merely an artifact of the way the >code has been implemented. A bug is a stuation where the code doesn't do what >you expected it to do. Precisely! I expect it to select between two spaces in any case. Arguably it should select between any two non-alphabetic characters. And don't patronise me. >Double clicking slects the text between two spaces >and I have never seen it do anything else. That is exactly the point. It DOESN'T do that. Instead it selects between the first space and the embedded comma. If you have never seen anything else, then you have presumably not investigated the problem for yourself, which doesn't make you look too clever. >As you point out there are other >ways to select an area of text. So much so that I very rearly use the >double-click method. > Hopefully you're not so arrogant as to suggest that everyone else should follow your example. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 13:51:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74388 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 13:51:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902479812:10:00250:17; Fri, 07 Aug 98 08:50:12 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000224; 7 Aug 98 8:50 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id JAA13318 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:33:32 +0100 Received: from tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (root@tvweb1.hiway.co.uk [195.12.1.131]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA13313 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:33:21 +0100 From: Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (root@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by tvweb1.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06245 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:34:18 +0100 Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA03749 for INET:ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:16:41 +0100 To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Message-ID: <80256659.002CF63F.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 09:21:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Bug in borders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. Sender: owner-ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk X-maillist: ovationpro >>When the boxes were represented with shadows on screen they appeared >>to differ in thickness - each shadow of constant thickness to the box >>designated - but all three visually slightly different in thickness. [snip..] >It has never occured to me if the same pixel problems occur on printers, >I'd guess they may, but 1/600'th inch is not very obvious. In Sibelius there is an option on the print menu to "regularise lines" (quoting from memory) The manual says this improves the appearence of the lines in the staves on lower resolution printers. Without this option the lines may appear "jagged" and of unequal thickness. This suggests there is a problem of aligning to pixels when printing I have never tried comparing the two outputs from Sibelius, but as you say 1/600th or even 1/300th inch (which most modern printers claim) should be difficult to see, so maybe there is something else going on. Andy Ling -- To unsubscribe from this list, email majordomo@lists.barnet.ac.uk with the words UNSUBSCRIBE ovationpro in the body of the message From owner-ovationpro@odie.barnet.ac.uk Fri Aug 7 18:07:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA74426 for opro ; Fri, 07 Aug 98 18:07:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 902506977:10:21421:17; Fri, 07 Aug 98 16:22:57 GMT Received: from odie.barnet.ac.uk ([194.82.202.98]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111134; 7 Aug 98 16:22 GMT Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA13830 for ovationpro-list; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:05:31 +0100 Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk (golden.argonet.co.uk [194.131.104.13]) by odie.barnet.ac.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA13825 for ; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:05:19 +0100 Received: from (193.130.246.38) [193.130.246.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0z4p20-00048J-00; Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:06:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: ovationpro@lists.barnet.ac.uk Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:40:19 +0100 Message-ID: <4871cb6ae6johnward@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subj