From steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Sun May 31 14:44:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67760 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896597778:20:27119:0; Sun, 31 May 98 06:56:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118960; 31 May 98 6:56 GMT Received: from (193.130.254.13) [193.130.254.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yg22Q-0001XA-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:56:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: <484df1fa16steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OP mailing In-Reply-To: <19980528.021955.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 28 May, Adrian Warrick wrote: > On 27 May, D.A.Symes wrote: > I didn't conceive how many people would think this a 'monumentally > silly' idea, however I have only just purchased !Pluto which has this > capability. > I notice that only non-Argo subscribers (or Dave Symes using !Pluto) > have commented on haw daft my idea is. I wonder how many people who are > using the !Voyager internet suite in its original form (but version > 1.18) agree with my previous e-mail? Actually that particular failing is one of the reasons I bought Pluto and thereby have a decent maillist handling setup. In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader with deficiencies. * SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC Zr *** "Cheer up Lad, think of the Derby Trip!!" *** - Wallace looking forward to Derby Beer Festival... From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sun May 31 14:44:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67761 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896612307:10:07897:0; Sun, 31 May 98 10:58:27 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007760; 31 May 98 10:58 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yg5oj-0007Io-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:58:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:58:21 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: OP mailing In-Reply-To: <19980531.022658.73@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Sun, 31 May 1998, Rupert Thompson wrote: > I read mail on-line rather than downloading it, because I have a > permanent connexion, so filtering is not an option. Erm...on-line would mean telnetting to cus, in your case, wouldn't it? Bet you're using pine. That means you must have some serious filtering options. (I know one bloke who sends stuff to his mobile!) > And isn't telnetting into Hermes just to read mail deprecated as causing Unless you've managed to subvert the security, not hard on Unix admittedly, and have started running Physics simulations, not likely, then what else would you telnet into Hermes to do? And anyway, who said I was telnetting to Hermes. I've got an account on Thor and use an IMAP connection to read my mail. > too much system load? You should be using Mulberry, shurely ;-) I think a single user on Hermes would probably be deemed too much system load :) I feel certain there's something in the computer syndicate rules to that effect, oh yes here it is: "The undergraduates are restricted in their use of these new fangled computer devices to once in a blue moon. Privileges will be revoked without warning if it is found that the money could be more effectively spent on provision of food for senior members of the university." Professor Bradshaw Dipcock-Smythe,FRS,FRA,FRSS,FRSAS,MI5,MI6,KGB, University Proctor and Gambler, 1923 Dave From ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk Sun May 31 14:44:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67764 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896614409:20:06020:1; Sun, 31 May 98 11:33:29 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116190; 31 May 98 11:33 GMT Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1020772; 31 May 98 11:33 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:08:46 +0000 (GMT) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980529.012335.33@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Fri 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro 2.50 is available from the URL; > > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html When I log on to this URL all I can download is V2.49 What am I doing wrong? Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG From pete.bready@cableol.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:05:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67769 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:05:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896634838:10:05595:0; Sun, 31 May 98 17:13:58 GMT Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005561; 31 May 98 17:13 GMT Received: from portia-61.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA13565; Sun, 31 May 1998 18:13:55 +0100 Message-Id: <357200C8.400B@cableol.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:15:52 -0700 From: Pete Bready Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: DDF filetype References: <19980530.030723.62@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Pilling wrote: > > A quick check reveals that the > Impression !Run files don't set up type D93 either. > > How do you make Impression save as type D93 by default? My note was perhaps a little misleading - I'm not aware of how to get Impression to save DDF files as &D93, although I've mailed their support to ask. I manually change the filetype to &D93, and have coloured the usual Impression doc sprite with red text to differentiate. !TransDDF (v1.10 - thanks for the quick upload to the web pages) works very well changing the &707 to &D93, with OvPro now accepting DDF files better than Impression itself - I don't know what I've managed to disable, but I have to drag non-documnet files to a blank Impression doc to get them to load, as the program itself on the icon bar ignores drag and drop. BTW, OvPro interprets DDF better than Impression in that it does effect a justify effect at the start of the file (eg. right justified address) which Impression has failed to do for goodness knows how long! Pete Bready From rmking@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:05:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67773 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:05:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896625890:20:28286:0; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101253; 31 May 98 14:44 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.209) [193.130.250.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yg9LG-0006GI-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 15:44:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:43:11 +0100 Message-ID: <484ee7cbd9rmking@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Bad Page Number with OvPro 2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980529.012304.97@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I cannot print at all with Ovation Pro 2.50. Clicking on the 'Print' icon brings up 'Bad Page Number' on all of my various stationery and envelope templates. Help please. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 22:06:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67777 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:06:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896705118:10:14922:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 12:45:18 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014822; 1 Jun 98 12:45 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11160 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:44:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:42:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Exporting text from OPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980531.022732.72@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Sun 31 May, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 30 May, Paul Hutton wrote: > > Does anyone know about exporting text from Opro? I have prepared a piece > > of work with tabs, and want to send it to a Win95 user (groan). If I > > export it as a text file or as DDL, will she be able to read it, with > > the tab settings preserved? > > Yes, but some characters may get changed, such as the pound sign. Save it > as a text file as DDL means nothing to Win 95. If you give it a .txt > ending, then her wordprocessor will have no problem recognising it. > Except of course it will have to be /txt until it gets on a DOS disc. You also have to remember to save the text without styles otherwise the recipient gets a load of stuff which makes sense to OPro but not to Word. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From chris.chorley@digi.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:06:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67783 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:06:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896716556:10:27420:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 15:55:56 GMT Received: from ns.digi.co.uk ([194.200.140.119]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027146; 1 Jun 98 15:55 GMT Received: from del.digi.co.uk (del.digi.co.uk [194.200.140.6]) by arthur.digi.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00743 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:57:46 +0100 Received: from DEL/SpoolDir by del.digi.co.uk (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 15:53:54 +0 Received: from SpoolDir by DEL (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 15:53:52 +0 Received: from 008.digi.co.uk (194.200.140.100) by del.digi.co.uk (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 15:53:47 +0 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980601155911.00dce794@194.200.140.6> X-Sender: chrisc@194.200.140.6 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:59:11 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Chris Chorley Subject: OP 2.50 As someone who trys not to modify things (such as button bars), but adds applets if useful, I've had no problems with 2.50. The only small problem was the following statement in the readme: The steps outlined below will work on your current version (2.48 ?!)..., I ignored this and did the next bit, Take your original installation disks (copy of original install on HD)..., assuming this to be 2.46. So, as I said, no problems. Chris. From colin@mackinlay.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67794 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896657051:20:11725:1; Sun, 31 May 98 23:24:11 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107390; 31 May 98 23:23 GMT Received: from mackinlay.demon.co.uk ([194.222.101.118]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1029995; 31 May 98 23:23 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980531.022710.20@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] In on Sun 31 May, Peter Margetts wrote: > In the wake of another fine upgrade, I have collected > some extra instructions that I have found necessary for > my system. Perhaps it will help someone. > ...mega snip!! > -- > Pete Margetts > Many thanks! But all this should not be necessary - many other programs have excellent security but upgrade over their current BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the inclination to wade through!). -- Colin Mackinlay From cdowns@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67796 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896681495:20:20523:1; Mon, 01 Jun 98 06:11:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020334; 1 Jun 98 6:10 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.194) [193.130.250.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygNo2-0001VJ-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:10:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Cliff Downs) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 May 98 (08:07:40 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ad Subject: Re: Mangled posting? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 30 May 98 (03:05:15 +0100), secpc@flinders.edu.au wrote: > I'm curious, did anyone else got this, from John Waddell, with several > of > its lines ending mid sence? And if so any suggestions on the cause and > the > fix? > ... [snip] Yes. Sorry no suggestions. I'm using Voyager on a RispPc600(StrongARMed). > ... > BTW I'm reading using Eudora on a PC box :-( > > Thanks, No problem. Cliff. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cdowns@argonet.co.uk From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67804 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896694998:20:20783:5; Mon, 01 Jun 98 09:56:38 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120079; 1 Jun 98 9:55 GMT Received: from wcartsco.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.63]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022796; 1 Jun 98 9:55 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:45:20 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:45:12 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Adding an embedded graphic at the cursor Message-ID: <4095954e48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980529.012350.52@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Dr A G Gray wrote: > I frequently use a Draw file of my signature when sending FAXes from OP. etc. I think the easiest way would be to put your sig in a font as a character, or if its a complex sig, then a series of characters. I have done this with company logos several times. You are limited by the number of control points you can have in any one character but I have successfully incorporated very complex logos into fonts by splitting the logo over several characters which then have to be typed in sequence. If you send me a scan of your sig I'll see what I can do. Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67810 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896715850:20:19797:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 15:44:10 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119157; 1 Jun 98 15:44 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:44:04 BST Message-Id: <7552.9806011544@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:44:04 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun May 31 03:02:17 1998 > From:(Ian Worrall) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:26:42 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:20:18 +0100 > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 755 > > On 30 May, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > > I have an A3010 (4 megs +320M HD) & HP500C inkjet printer. > > > (A) Since upgrading OVp via the web to V2.48 i have 2 minor problems:- > > > > > (B) I upgraded to Printers V 1.53 at Wakfield. Since then I have been > > unable to view print margins. Ticking the view options box "print > > margins" etc produces no effect. > > You _do_ have a printer driver loaded when trying this? > > Most applications read the paper size for margins from the printer driver, > No driver=no margins. > > > -- > Ian Worrall mailto: ian@keinyuri.u-net.com yes HP 500C printer driver loaded. It prints OK I just cannot see the margins John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From plattir@gol.com Mon Jun 1 23:09:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67844 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 23:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896738516:10:02525:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:01:56 GMT Received: from smtp02.pp.gol.com ([203.216.3.72]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105670; 1 Jun 98 22:01 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-066.tokyo.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.66]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id HAA27459 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:01:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:07:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Adding an embedded graphic at the cursor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980527.030445.54@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 27 May, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I frequently use a Draw file of my signature when sending FAXes from OP. FWIW: I can't help with the keystroke shortcut (but perhaps the programme Keystroke would be one way), but I keep a blank fax form (labelled !F) in my letters dir which has my address 'To', 'At', and 'Subject' etc. in frames at the top lined up so I can just type in the addressee's name & number. At the bottom of the page, there's a frame with my sig Draw file, so I just have to drag it to the correct position. I _would_ be better to be able to do it by shortcut tho. Ian -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! From frank@watsnees.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 23:09:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67846 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 23:09:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896737554:20:12461:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 21:45:54 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122059; 1 Jun 98 21:45 GMT Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.143]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022241; 1 Jun 98 21:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:44:56 +0100 Message-ID: <484f87421cfrank@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 2.50 Problems In-Reply-To: <483bdfc805frank@watsnees.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I wrote the following on the 24th April 1998, continuing the thread "2.49 Problems": > Another problem that is still present is the failure of the re-size > icon (or have I missed the solution?). For me, this occurs as > follows: > 1. Open new document window. > 2. Click Select on re-size icon (top right!). Window > expands to maximum size. > 3. Click on same icon again. Window returns to small size. > No problem so far. > 4. Maximise again by clicking on same icon. > 5. If I now place the pointer over the title bar of the > window, and simply press Select once, the re-size icon no longer > functions, ie. it does not cause the window size to change in any > way. This action of clicking on the title bar produces this effect > whether there is any pointer movement or not (I use a tracker-ball, > not a mouse). > David's response (17 April) does not seem to say what one can do > until the next up-grade is available. (David's response related to another window sizing problem) > The fix, for me, is to drag the change size icon (bottom right) to > reduce the window size appropriately. Then you can re-position the > window, if desired. Then the re-size icon works normally again, > until you click in the title bar, either accidentally or foolishly! I presume that my comments above were too late for version 2.50, because the same behaviour is still present. The up-grade to 2.50 has been successful and only the above has shown up so far. Thanks and kind regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.08i on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98. From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Tue Jun 2 02:30:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67871 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 02:30:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896751012:20:02003:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 01:30:12 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2112411; 2 Jun 98 1:30 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA17063 for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:23:34 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00753; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:13:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:42:56 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: ligatures Message-ID: <484F4AA67F%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980531.022753.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g In message <19980531.022753.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> alfchamings@ed.ac.uk (Alf Chamings) wrote: > when inserting text before a letter i or l, this letter is 'absorbed into > the previous letter whenever you type an f. > The solution is always to insert text before a space I suppose. Or to follow Applets->As-you-type and untick ligatures. BTW the version of THe that I have here (1.72) includes the code int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) { THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; if(THe_ellipsis) but surely it should be int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) { THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; if(THe_ligatures) ? Chris From philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:06:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67780 for ovation-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:06:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896632498:20:06549:19; Sun, 31 May 98 16:34:58 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2106300; 31 May 98 16:34 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1018577; 31 May 98 16:34 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:23:44 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: OvPro 2.50 - dearchive problem solved Message-ID: <7e0f14e48%philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980531.022821.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l In message <19980531.022821.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> () wrote: > >From: Philip Powell > >>Subject says it. I downloaded the upgrade but it will not dearchive >>correctly with either !SparkPlug 2.26 or !ArcFS2. The hitch is with >>!Upgade.Patch.!RunImage. > >Well don't waste your time with ArcFS2 (unbiased advice there). >It won't look at Zip files. I'd guess the archive you've downloaded >is damaged. Try again I'd say. Probably doing the Shift + click on link >thing. > I'd already tried a 2nd download so gave your advice a try. Thanks David, SHIFT/CLICK on link worked fine - as does the upgrade (-: -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 03:13:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67884 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 03:13:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896751098:10:27485:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 01:31:38 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107277; 2 Jun 98 1:31 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygfvI-0007lL-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:31:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 01:38:40 GMT Message-Id: <67847@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: MikeWilson >> Ovation Pro 2.50 is available from the URL; >> http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html >When I log on to this URL all I can download is V2.49 I suspect you're victim of my not changing the text "2.49" on the upgrade page to "2.50". (fixed now). From: Roger King >I cannot print at all with Ovation Pro 2.50. >Clicking on the 'Print' icon brings up 'Bad Page Number' on all of my >various stationery and envelope templates. Have a close look at the print window. I suspect you'll see the famoous PR15 token lurking in the range icon. If so then the problem is that you've not upgrade the Messages file inisde !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From niccox@aol.com Tue Jun 2 13:44:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67951 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896770565:20:15093:2; Tue, 02 Jun 98 06:56:05 GMT Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.33]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015046; 2 Jun 98 6:56 GMT Received: from NicCox@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ITOFa09431 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <752960e6.3573a1ef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:55:42 EDT To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 177 << BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the inclination to wade through!). >> IMO they're the ones you SHOULD read! A small summary of all the rest ... Nic From andy.ling@quantel.com Tue Jun 2 13:44:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67954 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896775888:10:04225:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 08:24:48 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004135; 2 Jun 98 8:24 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26940 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:33:41 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA30566 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:22:38 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <00256617.00336D1D.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:26:07 +0000 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. >BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the >mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the inclination >to wade through!). It's always worth reading the "Various" postings from "david" (i.e. Mr P) or the odd one with no subject from "root" ;-) They usually contain some useful gems like :- >NEWS >==== >Ovation Pro 2.50 is available from the URL; >http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html >Only those who don't mind messing about should try it for the time being. Andy Ling From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67958 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896781055:10:25207:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 09:50:55 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025140; 2 Jun 98 9:50 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygniR-00057S-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:50:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:32:31 GMT Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:32:23 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Message-ID: <553d34f48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it > from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings > thst I haven't got the inclination to wade through!). Those "Various" postings are the most useful since they come from the man with all the answers. I'd urge everyone wade through those, if nothing else, and it might cut down on repeated requests for the same info. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From brian@adam.co.nz Tue Jun 2 13:44:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67959 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896780285:20:05989:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 09:38:05 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz ([203.29.160.14]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005919; 2 Jun 98 9:38 GMT Received: from adam.ihug.co.nz (p56-max30.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.56]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:55:36 +1200 (GMT) From: Brian Adam Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: http://www.adam.co.nz X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] In on Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the > mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the i > nclination to wade through!). > > -- > Colin Mackinlay Wha-at? That's the best part of this List. All I read if I'm pushed for time. Brian From rjet1@cus.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67960 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896780351:20:06425:24; Tue, 02 Jun 98 09:39:11 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117693; 2 Jun 98 9:38 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0ygnWZ-0006g9-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:31 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: ligatures To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980602.034111.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 02 Jun, Chris Manning wrote: > BTW the version of THe that I have here (1.72) includes the code > > int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) > { > THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; > if(THe_ellipsis) > > but surely it should be > > int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) > { > THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; > if(THe_ligatures) > Indeed it should. The person responsible for this heinous error has been beaten with birch twigs to within an inch of his life as a punishment. Which is, I suspect, why he did it in the first place. Corrected version on my website now. Thanks. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67965 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896786236:10:15866:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 11:17:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104141; 2 Jun 98 11:17 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.116) [193.130.246.116] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygp3q-00022o-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:16:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: <484fdc78f3richard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: 2.50 vector rendering problems Content-Type: text/plain Is it me or does OP 2.50 have a really bad problem rendering draw/artworks files? They seem to be there when printed but they have a rather nasty habit of redrawing either partially or completely white on screen! This happens with both old and new docs and the two most recent versions !OArtWrks applet. It was fine in 2.49. Any help gratefully received. Cheers, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67972 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896789554:10:27966:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 12:12:34 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124340; 2 Jun 98 12:12 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22659 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:12:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:03:10 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it > from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings > thst I haven't got the i nclination to wade through!). > But these are the ones with the answers! You have to read 'Various' even if you don't read the others. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From ljg@star.le.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 14:39:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67991 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 14:39:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896792324:10:25178:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 12:58:44 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk ([143.210.16.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024867; 2 Jun 98 12:58 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #2) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0ygqf8-0004JF-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:57:33 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: OP mailing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980530.030531.12@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 30 May, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > I get free web & email access at work. However, I, of course, have to > use their system. for mail it is MailTool running on a sun. I would > find having a "tag" by which I could sort my mail verry usefull. But > to work they would have to be at the start of the subject line eg > OVP-re:-xxxxx There's already a tag - it's the Reply-To address. I read my mail with Marcel, but the mail all sits on a Sun and I filter it with procmail, and the Reply-To address is what I filter this list's messages with. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 17:57:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67996 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:57:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896796153:20:19558:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 14:02:33 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019354; 2 Jun 98 14:02 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygrdZ-000337-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:02:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 15:00:44 GMT Message-Id: <67994@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From cdowns@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 17:57:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67998 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:57:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896799718:20:04078:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 15:01:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111248; 2 Jun 98 15:01 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.42) [193.130.251.42] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygsZT-0005R0-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:01:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Cliff Downs) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 (07:28:09 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ad Subject: Re: OP mailing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Tue 2 Jun 98 (03:39:37 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: [snip] > > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > with deficiencies. Oh Dear Steve, Where is the compassion in you? There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed incomes, students etc... Just a prefix of [OvP] would be more than sufficient or of course you could send the appropriate cheques addressed to Jon Doddington for me and others who requested this change in order to obtain their copies of Pluto. I think that this subject has been flogged enough and should be laid to rest now. > > * SteveP Cliff ZFC S+ -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cdowns@argonet.co.uk From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:16:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68026 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:16:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896807299:10:12743:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:08:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012537; 2 Jun 98 17:08 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.160) [193.130.246.160] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yguXE-0007UY-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:07:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 07:04:58 +0100 Message-ID: <484fc0062adf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OP mailing In-Reply-To: <19980602.033937.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 02 Jun, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 28 May, Adrian Warrick wrote: > > On 27 May, D.A.Symes wrote: > > I didn't conceive how many people would think this a 'monumentally > > silly' idea, however I have only just purchased !Pluto which has this > > capability. > > I notice that only non-Argo subscribers (or Dave Symes using !Pluto) > > have commented on haw daft my idea is. I wonder how many people who are > > using the !Voyager internet suite in its original form (but version > > 1.18) agree with my previous e-mail? > Actually that particular failing is one of the reasons I bought Pluto and > thereby have a decent maillist handling setup. > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > with deficiencies. > * SteveP Actually chaps and chapesses...I think the quoting has gone somewhat awry again, as I (Dave Symes), didn't write the bit above attributed to me. I wrote the missing bit that prompted Adrian to respond with the above quoted text. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From margetts@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:16:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68027 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896808838:10:14036:3; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:33:58 GMT Received: from sand.global.net.uk ([194.126.82.9]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117020; 2 Jun 98 17:33 GMT Received: from margetts.globalnet.co.uk (client13cb.globalnet.co.uk [195.147.13.203]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA31803 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:33:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:02:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Margetts Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > In on Sun 31 May, Peter Margetts wrote: > > In the wake of another fine upgrade, I have collected > > some extra instructions that I have found necessary for > > my system. Perhaps it will help someone. > > ..mega snip!! > > > Many thanks! But all this should not be necessary - many other programs have excellen > t security but upgrade over their current > > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the > mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the i > nclination to wade through!). > > -- > Colin Mackinlay The "various" postings usually are sent by David Pilling, and are the answers in most cases to the problems raised by us. In one of those last week IIRC he mentioned that 2.50 was available. As is raised elsewhere, initial confusion factor was that it was still shown on the page as 2.49 (since fixed). The reasons for upgrading over 2.46 have been discussed at length, but basically, the code was written to do that, and the author has been unavailable to update the update software. . . It works fine, just keep a copy of 2.46 hidden somewhere. My original copy was 2.43, with a major upgrade to 2.46 and then incremental changes since. Pete Margetts -- Pete & Mitzi . . . An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! Yeah Gidday! Pete & Mitzi Margetts From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:16:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68028 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:16:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896811975:10:28896:3; Tue, 02 Jun 98 18:26:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105435; 2 Jun 98 18:26 GMT Received: from (193.130.254.112) [193.130.254.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygvlB-0001WE-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:26:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:13:32 +0100 Message-ID: <484fecc0d3stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: More printing troubles. Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hello, This problem may not entirely be due to Ovation Pro, but what is happening is this: First of all, the document I am trying to print is based on a double sided chapter with the inside margin set at 35 mm and the outside set at 25 mm. Now, if I ask OP to print the right hand pages, it does so with an inside margin of 32.5 mm and when I print the left hand pages, it prints those with a 37.5 mm inside margin. In the past when I have printed double sided documents from OP using the same master page, the inside margins on both left and right handed pages has come out at the required 35 mm. The only difference being, when the margins came out correct I was using CC's Turbo drivers, but now, owing to computer crashes with Turbo drivers and large documents, I am using Acorn's Printer drivers. (!Printers 1.54) I have checked the page set up within Printers and everything seems to be ok, ie left margin 6.1 mm, right margin 6.1 mm. Within the printer window of OP I do not have Bleed or Printer marks ticked, but the option "Centre" is selected, although I have tried printing wihtout this ticked and I get the same result, ie incorrect margins. Another thing I have just noticed happening whilst printing, is that it now refuses to print in the background, even though !Printers has been set up to do so. Now this did work up until a few days ago, but I can't think what I might have done to upset it. I am using an 18Mb SA RPC running Acorn's new boot sequence (from the !Browse update CD) and OP 2.50, printing to a Canon BJ200. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| From waddell@which.net Tue Jun 2 21:03:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68041 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 21:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896815729:10:27651:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 19:28:49 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027475; 2 Jun 98 19:28 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.96]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAB8071 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:28:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:10 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish list, might be a good idea for OP? There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch off, when it is 'binned'. I don't use it because it is extra work when I am busy. This means that I occasionally get caught out, having deleted a file before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! It would be useful, if there was a facility - perhaps an exercisable choice from the Applets menu? - for all deleted documents to be held automatically/transparently in a bin remaining recoverable until the end of the working session. They could then be recovered, for example in the same way that spreadsheets are unhidden in Eureka, to enable further work to be undertaken on them. There would have to be recognition of limited memory on some machines with the ability to select which 'binned' documents to lose irrevocably so that another document could be binned, recognition of the fact that some, including me, work from pro formas, so a number of documents with the same name might end up being 'binned'. These would have to undergo an automatic name change when binned, such as 'memo(1), memo(2) etc. ?Feasible? ?Enough demand for some kind soul to produce an 'Applet'? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 21:43:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68042 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 21:43:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896818638:20:20525:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:17:18 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117592; 2 Jun 98 20:17 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygxUc-0007lD-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:15:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Applets not working and odd error message To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Dear all I have just upgraded to version 2.50 without a hitch, and everything seemed to be working fine, except when I try running some of the applets. The following do not work when I filer_boot my copy of Opro: Documents Stationery Abbreviations When I click on them nothing happens; the menu disappears as if nothing has happened. and when I try making changes to the default settings/macros, I get an error message "could not open (pathname) Autorun.!Choices" I quit, reboot, and then get an error message (pathname)!words.dictionary not found, and the program does not load as it did previously. When I dc on !Ovnresdir and !Words then there is no problem; applets work and dictionary works fine. I have no other copies at all of OPro, and deleted all copies before installing a new one from scratch ready for the 2.50 upgrade. Then I sh/dc'd on !Ovnresdir and !words to set the paths, as per normal. Any ideas? Everything else seems to work fine! -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 01:12:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68049 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 01:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896827927:20:02794:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 22:52:07 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002767; 2 Jun 98 22:52 GMT Received: from (pyramus.demon.co.uk) [193.237.172.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygzuX-0006pE-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:52:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Hatton To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: <48501c1d94mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Editing the button bar In-Reply-To: <19980602.034057.17@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I have just upgraded to OP 2.50, and in doing so I inadvertantly lost the settings of my button bar. I set about re-customising the button bar, and discovered that the option to "insert gap before" the button was missing from the "Edit button" dialogue box. What is the procedure now for inserting or removing gaps from the button bar? Thank you. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MIKE HATTON mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk http://www.pyramus.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:14:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68115 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896854554:20:23357:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 06:15:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023166; 3 Jun 98 6:15 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.129) [193.130.253.129] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yh6pS-0004Wx-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:15:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: <48503ed7b0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' In-Reply-To: <19980603.013445.85@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish > list, might be a good idea for OP? > There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch > off, when it is 'binned'. I don't use it because it is extra work when > I am busy. This means that I occasionally get caught out, having > deleted a file before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! A laudable enough request...But considering, "BlackHole", "Recycler", "Safedel"(etc) and many other such applications are all ready available. Perhaps the time and effort might be more usefully expended in other OvPro areas. :-)) Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From bric@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:14:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68116 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:14:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896855940:20:06748:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 06:39:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111168; 3 Jun 98 6:38 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.25) [193.130.245.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yh7CK-0004ik-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:38:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4850426ebdbric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help In-Reply-To: <19980603.013431.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, Peter Margetts wrote: [snip] > The "various" postings usually are sent by David Pilling, .... > [snip] ...... The reasons for upgrading over 2.46 have been > discussed at length, but basically, the code was written to do > that, and the author has been unavailable to update the update > software. . . It works fine, just keep a copy of 2.46 hidden > somewhere. My original copy was 2.43, with a major upgrade to 2.46 > and then incremental changes since. A little tale (at the cost of publicly confessing my own carelessness) in the hope that it might save hassle for others: Yesterday I downloaded v2.50 and followed David's instructions. During the !Upgrader run I persistently got an error that it had run out of data and that !RunImage had not been upgraded. Downloaded again, exactly the same file length; ugraded again; same error message. Fired off long email to David. Tidied up desk. Found I had picked up floppies 1 & 2 of *v2.36*, not 2.46. Aaaagh! Upgraded with the correct version; worked perfectly. Sent humble apology to David. As a separate issue, the new copy of v2.46 was loaded to a hard disc different from my main one, but I found when I wanted to move the newly-upgraded version to the latter, that the usual method of 'unlocking' the protection - drag new !OvnPro to the installer window from the release floppy - would not work; nor would similarly dragging it to the !Upgrader window. I had to do it all again. So be careful you install the new version to the hard disc from which you want to run it. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:14:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68118 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:14:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896861653:20:01441:8; Wed, 03 Jun 98 08:14:13 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001297; 3 Jun 98 8:13 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:13:36 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01970 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:13:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:13:17 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013445.85@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish list, >... > It would be useful... for all deleted documents to be held > automatically/transparently in a bin remaining recoverable until the end of > the working session > I have been thinking along similar lines, but would like to add the facility to save with the undo buffer intact (whatever the state of this option in the original document). But I cannot find the means of changing the state of the buffer switch in the functions - have I missed this? Don Lewis From ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68121 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896862596:10:16168:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 08:29:56 GMT Received: from llyr.cee.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.52.200]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016055; 3 Jun 98 8:29 GMT Received: from tungat.cee.hw.ac.uk by llyr.cee.hw.ac.uk{with smtp } (ident root using rfc1413) (Smail3.2.0.101 #8) id m0yh8ve-000769C; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by tungat.cee.hw.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #116) id m0yh8vc-000BkBC; Wed, 3 Jun 98 09:29 WET DST Message-Id: From:(Matthew Hambley) Subject: Re: OP mailing To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19980603.013417.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> from "Cliff Downs" at Jun 3, 98 01:34:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 878 > On Tue 2 Jun 98 (03:39:37 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > [snip] > > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > > with deficiencies. > Where is the compassion in you? > > There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed incomes, > students etc... Why not use NewsBase and Messenger. Both are freeware and support filtering. Hell they even support a cunning system whereby your mailing lists are displayed with and treated like a Use-net group. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ---------------------\ "Tell me what you know or I'll term : ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk \ pee in your ear." holiday : mhambley@arcade.demon.co.uk \ Gaspode interogates a Gargoyle web : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceemah/ \---------------------------------- From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68122 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896867679:20:29108:5; Wed, 03 Jun 98 09:54:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128632; 3 Jun 98 9:54 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.226) [193.130.245.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhAFN-0006wF-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:50:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4850587b86richard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems In-Reply-To: <19980603.013409.88@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > From: Richard Cassidy > >Is it me or does OP 2.50 have a really bad problem rendering draw/artworks > >files? > In the past this sort of comment has been provoked by upgrading to a new > version, but not upgrading or inserting the colour supplement applet > in the new copy. Ah, of course I knew that... I'm not stupid you know ;) I'd put the original ColSup inside OP but forgot to freshen it. Problem solved, many thanks! Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68124 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896867681:20:29144:3; Wed, 03 Jun 98 09:54:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128699; 3 Jun 98 9:54 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.226) [193.130.245.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhAFS-0006wF-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:52:39 +0100 Message-ID: <485058b43erichard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' In-Reply-To: <19980603.013409.88@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > From: John Waddell > >It would be useful, if there was a facility - perhaps an exercisable > >choice from the Applets menu? - for all deleted documents to be held > >automatically/transparently in a bin remaining recoverable until the end of > >the working session. They could then be recovered, for example in the same > >way that spreadsheets are unhidden in Eureka, to enable further work to be > >undertaken on them. > >?Feasible? ?Enough demand for some kind soul to produce an 'Applet'? > Certainly feasible, a combination of the !HideDoc and !Document applets. Sorry for the 'me too' but that really is an excellent idea - I'm all for it :) Cheers, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68126 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896869381:10:12508:2; Wed, 03 Jun 98 10:23:01 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101244; 3 Jun 98 10:22 GMT Received: (qmail 455 invoked from network); 3 Jun 1998 10:22:51 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 1998 10:22:51 -0000 Received: from ppp12-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa13478; 3 Jun 98 11:22 BST Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:22:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013445.85@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish list, > might be a good idea for OP? > > There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch off, > when it is 'binned'. I don't use it because it is extra work when I am > busy. This means that I occasionally get caught out, having deleted a file > before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! > If of any interest, we have a !Dustbin App which started off with Beebug but which I've kicked slightly... It puts a bin on the icon bar and to delete any file you drag it to the bin, where it is held in a separate "Rubbish" directory. Files can be taken out of the bin anytime, but the bin is wiped at boot-up. We have it on all our machines. Martin Devon IT Cons. Stonar School -- -- -- From m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68128 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896869709:10:19229:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 10:28:29 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106163; 3 Jun 98 10:28 GMT Received: (qmail 939 invoked from network); 3 Jun 1998 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 1998 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from ppp12-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa14243; 3 Jun 98 11:28 BST Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:27:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Upgrading To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013409.88@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Something really is going to have to be done about the upgrade procedure. I upgraded our machines from 2.46 to 2.49. Now 2.50 comes along and has to be installed over 2.46 again. Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? Martin Devon Stonar School From tonekat@bigpond.com Wed Jun 3 15:23:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68150 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 15:23:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896881886:10:02249:1; Wed, 03 Jun 98 13:51:26 GMT Received: from teapot23.bigpond.com ([139.134.5.165]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001952; 3 Jun 98 13:51 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ma277380 for In-Reply-To: <19980530.030622.98@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Does any know how to get the ANT internet suite to send all the ovation mail to the newsgroup reader - I've tried following the Thanks -- Bye for now - Tony & Katrina Otway, Elliott CEC, c/o Post Office Elliott NT 0862 Australia, Elliot@topend.com.au, Tel. Austral ia, NT, 08 89692120, or 08 89692050, Fax 08 89692053 From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 18:55:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68158 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896885214:10:03063:3; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:46:54 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002631; 3 Jun 98 14:46 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhEnd-00030D-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:45:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 15:44:33 GMT Message-Id: <68156@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" >I have been thinking along similar lines, but would like to add the >facility to save with the undo buffer intact (whatever the state of this >option in the original document). But I cannot find the means of >changing the state of the buffer switch in the functions - have I missed >this? Yes there is a function - see undochoices(); From: Martin Devon >I upgraded our machines from 2.46 to 2.49. Now 2.50 comes along and has to >be installed over 2.46 again. >Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then upgrade, >AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? Several things. You could make your problem known to sheridan@beebug.co.uk the whole area of network upgrades etc. is something which needs looking at and is out of my domain. In your position I'd try to automate the process. Keep a 2.46 on each machine then upgrade a copy via a batch file, so the process is automatic. Finally with hindsight I could have made 2.50 easier for you. I could do a 2.49 to 2.50 patcher, and given that only the templates and messages file need changing they're all you have to copy. 2.50 is not on general release yet. I don't know if I'd rush out and do 72 upgrades just yet. From: Graham Allan >Will just point out briefly that you *can* get the functionality for >free with Newsbase/Messenger/TTFN. This mail list runs courtesy of Newsbase - thank you Graham! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From swcollier@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 3 18:55:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68160 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896889963:20:11345:6; Wed, 03 Jun 98 16:06:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113258; 3 Jun 98 16:05 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.93) [193.130.251.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhG2d-0004Yi-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Stan Collier) Reply-To: swcollier@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 15:45:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I have not been able to upgrade from 2.46 to 2.49. I have followed the instructions and eventually clicked on Upgrade. The upgrade continues until it is over 90 percent complete but then stops with the error message, Input data exhausted. I have contacted David and he has suggested that perhaps my download was corrupted. I do not think this is the case, as I have a friend who has a registered copy of OvPro. I passed a copy of my downloaded upgrade to him and he has upgraded without any problems. However he has a RISCPC and I have a A5000 OS3.1. Has anybody else with an A5000 been able to upgrade successfully?. I do not think it is a lack of memory as I have approximately 1.4MB in both the NEXT and FREE slots. Best wishes, Stan. -- S.W.Collier. swcollier@argonet.co.uk Using ACORN Archimedes A5000 and the ACORN RISCOS 3.1 From martinv@ucs.de Wed Jun 3 18:55:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68163 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896890016:10:00642:1; Wed, 03 Jun 98 16:06:56 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105265; 3 Jun 98 16:06 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04519 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:06:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199806031606.SAA04519@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 03 Jun 1998 14:03:29 GMT Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >There would have to be recognition of limited memory on some machines with >the ability to select which 'binned' documents to lose irrevocably so that >another document could be binned, recognition of the fact that some, >including me, work from pro formas, so a number of documents with the >same name might end up being 'binned'. These would have to undergo an >automatic name change when binned, such as 'memo(1), memo(2) etc. BTW, reading this I gather that You should take a look at LayerFS by Feldner & Braun Software which does this generally as a filing system. If You want to contact them all I currently have is an a-mail anno '95: pelzi@orsino.uni-bayreuth.de Please come back to me if this does not work any more. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From julian@southern.co.nz Wed Jun 3 18:55:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68165 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896893710:10:09139:3; Wed, 03 Jun 98 17:08:30 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103088; 3 Jun 98 17:08 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (pppd010.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.10]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA12193 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:08:00 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Thu,04 Jun 1998.05:12:33 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 05:08:50 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OP mailing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980603.013417.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c In message <19980603.013417.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> cdowns@argonet.co.uk (Cliff Downs) wrote: > On Tue 2 Jun 98 (03:39:37 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > [snip] > > > > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > > with deficiencies. > > Oh Dear Steve, > > Where is the compassion in you? > > There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed > incomes, students etc... > > Just a prefix of [OvP] would be more than sufficient or of course you > could send the appropriate cheques addressed to Jon Doddington for me > and others who requested this change in order to obtain their copies > of Pluto. `Just a prefix of [OvP]' would be irritating to me, and cause me work as I amended my POP fetcher to strip it out on arrival. Which brings us back to "Why alter it when it works?" In any case, I'm afraid that the `necessary cash' argument is not appropriate here, as Messenger and Newsbase are both entirely free. (And no, I'm not entertaining the `It's too hard to set up' whine, because, apart from being untrue, I'm even prepared to help ensure it's setup properly. As are numerous others, including the authors of the two programs) > I think that this subject has been flogged enough and should be laid > to rest now. I agree, and will accordingly shut up past this. If anyone feels like continuing in email, that's cool, though. -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From allan@mnhepd.hep.umn.edu Wed Jun 3 18:56:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68168 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:56:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896892338:20:04525:2; Wed, 03 Jun 98 16:45:38 GMT Received: from mnhepd.hep.umn.edu ([128.101.211.131]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123068; 3 Jun 98 16:45 GMT Received: by mnhep1.hep.umn.edu for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:45:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:45:28 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <980603114528.21604c3a@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: OP mailing >> In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist >> setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader >> with deficiencies. > >Oh Dear Steve, > >Where is the compassion in you? > >There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed incomes, >students etc... Will just point out briefly that you *can* get the functionality for free with Newsbase/Messenger/TTFN. >I think that this subject has been flogged enough and should be laid to rest >now. Oops. Graham From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 21:05:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68180 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 21:05:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896901379:10:17601:6; Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:16:19 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017805; 3 Jun 98 19:16 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhJ19-00012K-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:16:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:12:23 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013352.54@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 03 Jun, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Is it me or does OP 2.50 have a really bad problem rendering draw/artworks > files? > > They seem to be there when printed but they have a rather nasty habit of > redrawing either partially or completely white on screen! This happens > with both old and new docs and the two most recent versions !OArtWrks > applet. It was fine in 2.49. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Cheers, > Richard I had this prob in 2.49; Mr P (He Of Godlike Status Whose Files Must Be Set To Obey, Force and Newer) said it was a prob with the old version of the colour supplement; mine seems to work OK after upgrading the applet- beforehand I just had blank draw frames! > > -- > richard@graphitedesign.co.uk > _______________________________________________________________________ > Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk > > Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk > Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 21:05:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68183 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 21:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896900521:20:17043:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:02:01 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103833; 3 Jun 98 19:01 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhInL-0007me-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:01:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:33:26 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Wee tip- already mentioned before... To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Just a reminder about a very useful tip someone posted to the group ages ago: If you change aspect to a negative number in a picture frame eg 100 to -100 the image is flipped over horizontally. Just thought a reminder was needed. Any more little tips? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From waddell@which.net Thu Jun 4 00:06:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68198 for david ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 00:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896912498:20:24815:6; Wed, 03 Jun 98 22:21:38 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024697; 3 Jun 98 22:21 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.26]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAC8610 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:21:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:42:10 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: A combination of !HideDoc and !Document applets To: David Pilling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Thank you for pointing me in the direction of the easily recallable bin facility I desired. !HideDoc does exactly what I want. Purrfick! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Thu Jun 4 13:51:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68285 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:51:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896953710:10:17104:1; Thu, 04 Jun 98 09:48:30 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103724; 4 Jun 98 9:48 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 10:48:23 BST Message-Id: <12404.9806040948@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jun 98 10:48:23 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 03:50:13 1998 > From: kerslake (Mr J P Kerslake) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 03:40:49 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:44:04 BST > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 1640 > > > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun May 31 03:02:17 1998 > > From:(Ian Worrall) > > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:26:42 +0100 > > Organization: > > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > > X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:20:18 +0100 > > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > > Content-Length: 755 > > > > On 30 May, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > > > I have an A3010 (4 megs +320M HD) & HP500C inkjet printer. > > > > > (A) Since upgrading OVp via the web to V2.48 i have 2 minor problems:- > > > > > > > > > (B) I upgraded to Printers V 1.53 at Wakfield. Since then I have been > > > unable to view print margins. Ticking the view options box "print > > > margins" etc produces no effect. > > > > You _do_ have a printer driver loaded when trying this? > > > > Most applications read the paper size for margins from the printer driver, > > No driver=no margins. > > > > > > -- > > Ian Worrall mailto: ian@keinyuri.u-net.com > > yes HP 500C printer driver loaded. > It prints OK I just cannot see the margins > I have tried using an a3 document. this has the margins. However an a4 does not. This is fine except I that the bottom 12 mm & the right 6 mm are not printed. I am using a HP 500C, on an A3010 (4megs+320M HD). I have created a master frame covering the printable area, as a work arround. Still I thought that the printer margins should match the printable area. John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 4 13:55:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68289 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:55:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896942369:20:18939:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 06:39:29 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118853; 4 Jun 98 6:39 GMT Received: from ilfprep.demon.co.uk ([194.222.45.155]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1029024; 4 Jun 98 6:39 GMT From: Terry Worton Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Message-ID: To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading References: <19980604.015423.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 07:38:42 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS > Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then > upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? It sounds like you need to network your machines. Surely even if you didn't reinstall 2.46, you would still need to upgrade 72 machines, which seems extreme in any case. At our school we have a network copy of OP and to upgrade the copy used by all our machines I only have to do the upgrade once (The upgrade works fine on 2.46n). I feel it only fair to point out that the network upgrade is a bonus and despite the limitations, it is still much better than having to return the original discs by post. I think that the hard work put in by DP is often undervalued and he must wonder at times if it is worth it. Personally I think he is doing an excellent job. -- >From Terry Worton Tel: 0181-599 8822 x24 Ilford Preparatory School Fax: 0181-597 2797 Carnegie Buildings Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk 785 High Road, Seven Kings Ilford, Essex, IG3 8RR, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- From andy.ling@quantel.com Thu Jun 4 13:55:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68290 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:55:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896943418:20:25681:1; Thu, 04 Jun 98 06:56:58 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127552; 4 Jun 98 6:56 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA31370 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:06:08 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id HAA28815 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:54:56 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <00256619.002B9251.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:58:41 +0000 Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. [snip...] >BTW, reading this I gather that You should take a look at LayerFS >by Feldner & Braun Software which does this generally as a filing >system. If You want to contact them all I currently have is an a-mail A quick search showed their web page to be :- http://www.spektracom.de/flying-snail/ Andy Ling From bric@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 4 13:55:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68293 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:55:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896948009:20:28924:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:13:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124984; 4 Jun 98 8:13 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.29) [193.130.245.29] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhV9K-0002Id-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:13:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 07:57:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4850cc77e9bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 In-Reply-To: <19980604.015444.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 04 Jun, Stan Collier wrote: > I have not been able to upgrade from 2.46 to 2.49. ^^^^ Do make /sure/ it really was v2.46 you started from. See my posting 'Upgrading: additional help'. > I have followed the instructions and eventually clicked > on Upgrade. The upgrade continues until it is over 90 > percent complete but then stops with the error message, > Input data exhausted. ....... etc, Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 4 15:24:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68322 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 15:24:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896970254:10:01511:3; Thu, 04 Jun 98 14:24:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001456; 4 Jun 98 14:24 GMT Received: from (193.130.254.109) [193.130.254.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhaw4-0007BY-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:24:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:08:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4850d878a6stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: More printing troubles. Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > Now, if I ask OP to print the right hand pages, it does so with an inside > > margin of 32.5 mm and when I print the left hand pages, it prints those > > with a 37.5 mm inside margin. In the past when I have printed double > > sided documents from OP using the same master page, the inside margins on > > both left and right handed pages has come out at the required 35 mm. > What happens if left and right pages are printed at the same time? It doesn't appear to make any difference whether I print left and right together or separately, the margins still come out as described as above. The only way I have found to get it to print correctly is to untick the "centre" option in Print setup and then set the x-offset to 2.5 mm. > > Another thing I have just noticed happening whilst printing, is that it > > now refuses to print in the background.... > How about the upgrade to 2.50. I could easily imagine that the > printchoices() function values have changed. Sorry, you're absolutely correct, the first variable within printchoices() (inside !Choices) had now been set to zero. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| From malcolm@digidark.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 4 17:24:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68335 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 17:24:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896973455:20:12974:2; Thu, 04 Jun 98 15:17:35 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012916; 4 Jun 98 15:17 GMT Received: from (digidark.demon.co.uk) [194.222.19.108] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhbld-0006et-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:17:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:05:21 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Knight Subject: Re: Sending subscribed OP mail to Newlist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980604.015430.55@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Insufficient X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Thu 04 Jun, Tony wrote: > Does any know how to get the ANT internet suite to send all the ovation mail > to the newsgroup reader - I've tried following the > > Thanks I presume you were going to say "tried following the ANT instructions". I'm pleased I am not alone in not being able to access this ANT facility. If anyone has I'd like to hear 'how' too. -- Malcolm From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 4 17:24:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68338 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 17:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896977457:10:14259:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 16:24:17 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014055; 4 Jun 98 16:24 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhcnx-0004Dl-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:23:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:10:53 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Autorun choices error message To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:15:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Applets not working and odd error message To: Ovation Pro Support Dear all I have just upgraded to version 2.50 without a hitch, and everything seemed to be working fine, except when I try running some of the applets. The following do not work when I filer_boot my copy of Opro: Documents Stationery Abbreviations When I click on them nothing happens; the menu disappears as if nothing has happened. and when I try making changes to the default settings/macros, I get an error message "could not open (pathname) Autorun.!Choices" I quit, reboot, and then get an error message (pathname)!words.dictionary not found, and the program does not load as it did previously. When I dc on !Ovnresdir and !Words then there is no problem; applets work and dictionary works fine. I have no other copies at all of OPro, and deleted all copies before installing a new one from scratch ready for the 2.50 upgrade. Then I sh/dc'd on !Ovnresdir and !words to set the paths, as per normal. Any ideas? Everything else seems to work fine! Dear all Following my recent mailing above, I have checked the pathname following the advice of someone- and it is pointing to my old folder (which I deleted)! Where is OPro getting the pathnames? I have Menubar running on bootup, but have made sure the reference is to my new copy of OPro, and the !Boot file points correctly to my new (and only) OPro directory. I thought I would be clever, and renamed the folder to the old version, then got an error message about the !ColSupp Choices summat or other not found- I can't win! Much help muchly appreciated. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From steyan@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 4 22:23:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68357 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 22:23:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896995020:10:11981:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 21:17:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011906; 4 Jun 98 21:16 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.36) [193.130.251.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhhNT-00071Q-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:16:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 22:21:32 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I too have noticed this effect in OP 250. It can be made to disappear by scrolling down a document, so that the offending partly redrawn vector graphic is off screen, and then returning to it. As you say, the hardcopy is fine, but the screen distortion disconcerting. Not quite WYSIWYG! -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From niccox@aol.com Fri Jun 5 13:56:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68402 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:56:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897028857:10:05898:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 06:40:57 GMT Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122256; 5 Jun 98 6:40 GMT Received: from NicCox@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IYFJa04556 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:40:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:40:41 EDT To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Upgrading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 177 << Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? Martin Devon Stonar School >> Sounds like a good way to introduce some of the students to the ways of the computer world ! Nic Cox Bedford School From michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Fri Jun 5 13:56:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68404 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897033705:10:25201:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 08:01:45 GMT Received: from gatea.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.10]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025138; 5 Jun 98 8:01 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by bbcgate.bbc.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.2) with ESMTP id Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified [132.185.49.42]) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:59:41 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:01:14 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation List Posting'" Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:08:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > I have an A3010 (4 megs +320M HD) & HP500C inkjet printer. > (B) I upgraded to Printers V 1.53 at Wakfield. Since then I have been > unable to view print margins. Ticking the view options box "print > margins" etc produces no effect. I have a similar set-up but use CC Turbo Drivers. There are no problems viewing print margins. I recently bought a new HP printer and ran it for a few days using Printers 1.53 (before I got the HP upgrade turbo driver) there were no problems. Do you see print margins in other packages eg Draw? This might help identify if it is a Printers or OvationPro problem. Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan From steveno@lx.student.wau.nl Fri Jun 5 13:57:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68408 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:57:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897038756:10:13041:4; Fri, 05 Jun 98 09:25:56 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127658; 5 Jun 98 9:25 GMT Received: from riscpc.student.wau.nl (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01IXVJD4UEGY001H60@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:28:33 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:24:38 +0200 (BST) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Sending subscribed OP mail to Newlist In-reply-to: <19980605.014502.42@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Message-id: X-Organization: Wageningen Agriculture University, http://www.wau.nl/ MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In on Fri 05 Jun, Malcolm Knight wrote: > On Thu 04 Jun, Tony wrote: > > Does any know how to get the ANT internet suite to send all the ovation mail > > to the newsgroup reader - I've tried following the > > > > Thanks > > I presume you were going to say "tried following the ANT instructions". I'm > pleased I am not alone in not being able to access this ANT facility. If > anyone has I'd like to hear 'how' too. > The answer is quite simple when you know where to find it. I've been strugling for some days to find it. I finnaly found it in the help of !Inetsuite 1.29f. I hope you can do it now, but when u can't please mail me for the answer. I don't think all the non-ANT-users want to hear the whole story. greetings -- Steven Ottens aka GraphRisc WWW: http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno =>Newsgroups: for reply delete: CUT.THIS From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 5 18:59:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68435 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 18:59:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897066171:10:04482:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 17:02:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004387; 5 Jun 98 17:02 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.35) [193.130.253.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhzt7-0005eK-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:02:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:38:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4851540f7edf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems In-Reply-To: <19980605.014516.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 05 Jun, Steve Yandell wrote: > I too have noticed this effect in OP 250. It can be made to disappear by > scrolling down a document, so that the offending partly redrawn vector > graphic is off screen, and then returning to it. As you say, the > hardcopy is fine, but the screen distortion disconcerting. Not quite > WYSIWYG! I've just tried this again, after having a go when first reported, I must confess I cannot make it happen on my OP 2.50. That's with a largish vector graphic, two coloured geometric shapes, Grade 999 times. Of course on my SARPC the redraws are almost instantaneous... But I do remember how long such redraws used to take pre SA. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.08h From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 5 19:58:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68469 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 19:58:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897072922:20:03211:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 18:55:22 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106731; 5 Jun 98 18:54 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yi1dJ-0002KT-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:54:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 19:01:21 GMT Message-Id: <68438@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: D.A.Symes >> I too have noticed this effect in OP 250. It can be made to disappear by >> scrolling down a document, so that the offending partly redrawn vector >> graphic is off screen, and then returning to it. As you say, the >> hardcopy is fine, but the screen distortion disconcerting. Not quite >> WYSIWYG! >I've just tried this again, after having a go when first reported, I must >confess I cannot make it happen on my OP 2.50. All this stuff is of course the classic symptom of not having a colour supplement installed or having the wrong version installed i.e. failing to upgrade it when you upgrade the main program. From: Mr J P Kerslake >I have tried using an a3 document. this has the margins. However an a4 does not. >This is fine except I that the bottom 12 mm & the right 6 mm are not printed. I would say then that the A4 paper is defined wrongly. ISTR you have to click OK in all the right places to get a new paper definition used. From: Stephen Brown >> > Now, if I ask OP to print the right hand pages, it does so with an inside >> > margin of 32.5 mm and when I print the left hand pages, it prints those >> > with a 37.5 mm inside margin. In the past when I have printed double >> > sided documents from OP using the same master page, the inside margins on >> > both left and right handed pages has come out at the required 35 mm. >It doesn't appear to make any difference whether I print left and right >together or separately, the margins still come out as described as above. >The only way I have found to get it to print correctly is to untick the >"centre" option in Print setup and then set the x-offset to 2.5 mm. One thing about printers, is that for all the software involved you can often physically shift the paper sideways - thats one way of getting an X offset. I guess I'd experiment and see if other software has a systematic error when printing. From: Paul Hutton >Just thought a reminder was needed. Any more little tips? One I often find myself using, is if I have some text in one document which I want to copy into another document, but I don't want any style information copying over, or new styles being auto created. What you do is mark off the source text, then pop up the main menu, file->save selection and drag the save box to the destination text area. Copies just the text, nothing else. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From steyan@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 5 22:40:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68479 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 22:40:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897080444:20:00284:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 21:00:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000277; 5 Jun 98 21:00 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.36) [193.130.251.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yi3bN-00022r-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:00:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 22:51:14 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: For information regarding S.W.Collier's problem: I have installed without difficulty the upgrade to 2.49 on an old A5000 (25Mhz) with 4Mb ram, and OP works fine. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From waddell@which.net Sat Jun 6 02:09:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68518 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 02:09:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897094885:20:08409:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 01:01:25 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008391; 6 Jun 98 1:01 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.41]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAD20194 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:01:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:02:53 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980604.015333.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Thu 04 Jun, D.A.Symes wrote: > On 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish > > list, might be a good idea for OP? > > > There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch > > off, when it is 'binned'. **I don't use it because it is extra work > > when I am busy.** This means that I occasionally get caught out, having > > deleted a file before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! > > A laudable enough request...But considering, "BlackHole", "Recycler", > "Safedel"(etc) and many other such applications are all ready available. > Perhaps the time and effort might be more usefully expended in other OvPro > areas. :-) ) > Ouch! [Please see **.....** above. I did notice the :-)!] The important bit (snipped) was In fact David Pilling (thanks again Dave) pointed me in the specific direction of the applet !HideDoc which caters exactly for my needs, it will even hold several versions of my proformas, with the same name, saved separately. For example, if I pull in my 'Memo' pro forma, I can send a missive and simply CTRL-Close it into !HideDoc. I can use the 'Memo' pro forma a number of times and !HideDoc it away without having to save it first under an alternative name. Easy then to call them all up, all named 'Memo', if I decide to rework any of them or other documents. Brilliant! PS Dave, are you a teacher by any chance? :-), :-), :-)! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk Sat Jun 6 14:19:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68525 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:19:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897115300:20:06059:9; Sat, 06 Jun 98 06:41:40 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126926; 6 Jun 98 6:41 GMT Received: (qmail 18522 invoked from network); 6 Jun 1998 06:41:32 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 6 Jun 1998 06:41:32 -0000 Received: from ppp09-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa18059; 6 Jun 98 7:41 BST Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:40:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: upgrading To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Fri 05 Jun, Terry Worton wrote: > > Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then > > upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? > > It sounds like you need to network your machines. Surely even if you > didn't reinstall 2.46, you would still need to upgrade 72 machines, > which seems extreme in any case. > I think that the hard work put in by DP is often undervalued and he > must wonder at times if it is worth it. Personally I think he is doing > an excellent job. They are networked, of course. But almost all apps are served locally. You can't realistically expect to run a megabyte of OPro into 72 (mostly) Strongarm machines on demand over the net with a serious quality of service, sometimes 22 hours a day. The net here is for data, including at many times a continuous megabit of Internet traffic. Maybe I'll think differently when I've got a server switch installed this autumn and I can serve OPro at 100Mbits from Phoebe. Other upgrades can be done over the net - I can just run an Obey script which is quick and easy, a few seconds each machine. Upgrades for Datapower, Fireworkz, Fresco, you name it - are all done that way, regardless of the previous version number. The present answer of course is to hide a 2.46 somewhere and upgrade over that. Pity I didn't think of that before I did 2.49 :-( David's work is not at all undervalued, in fact very much the opposite. The ability to talk to developers in the way we are able is worth a great deal. I once suggested to a Microsoft dealer that WFW might work differently... It seems in fact that matters like the upgrade difficulty actually cause problems for David which ought to be quite unnecessary. > (Aside) Is David considering a Java version of OPro? Martin Devon Stonar School -- From bric@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 6 14:20:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68531 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:20:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897120453:10:07245:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 08:07:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007179; 6 Jun 98 8:07 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.109) [193.130.246.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiE0g-00002R-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4851d49764bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing margins In-Reply-To: <19980606.020651.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 06 Jun, David Pilling wrote: [other problems snipped] > From: Stephen Brown > >> > Now, if I ask OP to print .... [snip] .... and right handed > >> > pages has come out at the required 35 mm. > >It doesn't appear to make any difference whether I print left and > >right together or separately, the margins still come out as > >described as above. The only way I have found to get it to print > >correctly is to untick the "centre" option in Print setup and then > >set the x-offset to 2.5 mm. > One thing about printers, is that for all the software involved you > can often physically shift the paper sideways - thats one way of > getting an X offset. I guess I'd experiment and see if other > software has a systematic error when printing. Also, I have found that the /actual/ print margins are not always the same as given in the manual (eg, my Epson SC 800). It is worth checking by printing lines from extreme edge to edge from !Draw and measuring the actual dimensions, then resetting Paper Sizes in !Printers. I don't think this is relevant to /this/ problem, but it is worth doing anyway. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From swcollier@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 6 14:20:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68533 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:20:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897132443:10:01796:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 11:27:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107790; 6 Jun 98 11:27 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.197) [193.130.250.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiH81-0002Bp-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:27:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Stan Collier) Reply-To: swcollier@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 11:25:56 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 5 Jun 98 (01:44:48 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Do make /sure/ it really was v2.46 you started from. See my posting >'Upgrading: additional help'. On Sat steyan@argonet.co.uk wrote, >For information regarding S.W.Collier's problem: I have installed without >difficulty the upgrade to 2.49 on an old A5000 (25Mhz) with 4Mb ram, and OP >works fine. Thanks to both of you for replying. Oh dear oh dear, you were so right Brian. I was convinced that my boxed discs were 2.46 but I did not check and of course they were 2.36. My 2.46 upgrade was in another box. I have now upgraded to 2.50 My apologies to all, especially to David Pilling. Stan. -- S.W.Collier. swcollier@argonet.co.uk Using ACORN Archimedes A5000 and the ACORN RISCOS 3.1 From opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 6 14:20:13 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68534 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:20:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897133011:10:15491:2; Sat, 06 Jun 98 11:36:51 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113405; 6 Jun 98 11:36 GMT Received: from (tsrank.demon.co.uk) [194.222.175.13] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiHHG-0001FD-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:36:50 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 21:44:26 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Rank Subject: Direct import of Artworks files To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: Opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Has anyone else had a problem attempting to save directly from ArtWorks=20 into an OPro frame, ie without saving the ArtWorks file to disk first?=20 Every tine I try this Ovation crashes with the following message: "Internal abort. No stack for trap handler. Data Abort pc=3D2237D4A0 registers at 0011BACC" ArtWorks is unaffected! Similar saves from other programs, such as=20 Draw, never cause this problem. I=91m still using OPro version 2.49 with !OArtWrks version 1.03. Does the= =20 latest version cure this? Tom Rank --=20 Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.49, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 6 17:12:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68542 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 17:12:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897140996:10:27514:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 13:49:56 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027505; 6 Jun 98 13:49 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiJM4-0000OZ-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 14:49:56 +0100 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:45:47 GMT Message-Id: <68539@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: John Waddell >PS Dave, are you a teacher by any chance? :-), :-), :-)! Close to my favourite of "... and whats your real job, you know what do you do the rest of the time". From: Martin Devon >(Aside) Is David considering a Java version of OPro? Assuming Java is capable that is a possibility, similarly a Windows version would be possible. For the moment though I'm not sure about Java, it may be like OpenDoc, OS/2, PowerPC, a good idea whose sole effect is to waste effort. And there are probably too many similar programs in the Windows world. From: Tom Rank >Has anyone else had a problem attempting to save directly from ArtWorks=20 >into an OPro frame, ie without saving the ArtWorks file to disk first?=20 >Every tine I try this Ovation crashes with the following message: >"Internal abort. No stack for trap handler. Data Abort It'll take me some time to check ('cos I don't have AW on this machine), one obvious idea, is memory/file size an issue? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From alan.gray@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 8 21:57:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68579 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 21:57:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897159141:20:07503:1; Sat, 06 Jun 98 18:52:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007437; 6 Jun 98 18:52 GMT Received: from (193.130.252.54) [193.130.252.54] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiO4W-0000ig-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 19:52:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Dr A G Gray) Reply-To: alan.gray@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 19:51:08 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Adding an embedded graphic at the cursor Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Thanks to kind help from Kevin Simpson (of Western Commercial Arts Co) who translated my signature into a couple of characters in a font, the problem (of being able to include a graphic signature with a key-press) is *nearly* solved. I write a key macro to change to the 'Signature' font (by scrounging code from the 'Corpus' button macro), then change to a font size of 60, and print the two characters. Bravo! It works! BUT: I've tried several things to get the fontsize back to normal (in the same macro) and the font back to where it was, and OP seems to 'skip ahead' of itself and make the changes before printing the two characters: so they appear in original size and font. I had a similar problem using the keyboard buffer to transfer names, addresses, etc (and effects - bold/italic) from a database program of mine which was solved by a suggestion from DP (ta...) of including code to 'press NumLock' and flush the keyboard buffer in order to allow effects to be recognised by OP. But including {swi13(8,138,0,213);} and {swi13(8,138,0,34);} in the macro has no effect here. Any comments? I can nearly put a Yours sincerely, [new lines}, sig, {new lines} and name, degrees etc, with one keypress. It *must* be possible. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 8 21:58:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68583 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 21:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897213686:10:09345:0; Sun, 07 Jun 98 10:01:26 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1009261; 7 Jun 98 10:01 GMT Received: from (bifrost.demon.co.uk) [158.152.251.209] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yicGQ-0003jl-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 11:01:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 18:19:07 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Message-ID: <48520D1686%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980603.013357.81@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l In message <19980603.013357.81@pilling.demon.co.uk> alfchamings@ed.ac.uk (Alf Chamings) wrote: > On Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > > > > > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it > > from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings > > thst I haven't got the i nclination to wade through!). > > > But these are the ones with the answers! You have to read 'Various' even if > you don't read the others. Is there any particular reason why things are done this way? If I see a question, or post a question, then I generally expect to see the reply in the same thread. Having to find the reply in an entirely different thread, full of answers to all threads, is a bit inconvienient. Presumably David does it this way because it's easier for him, though cutting and pasting half a dozen bits of messages into a single article seems like a lot more trouble than simply hitting 'reply' half a dozen times... -- Be seeing you, Sam. From rayd@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 8 21:59:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68593 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 21:59:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897259728:20:12570:1; Sun, 07 Jun 98 22:48:48 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129648; 7 Jun 98 22:48 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.251.45] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yioEg-00048e-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 23:48:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 18:27:13 +0100 Message-ID: <485291aa7frayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980606.020651.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 06 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > One I often find myself using, is if I have some text in one document > which I want to copy into another document, but I don't want any > style information copying over, or new styles being auto created. > What you do is mark off the source text, then pop up the main menu, > file->save selection and drag the save box to the destination text > area. Copies just the text, nothing else. I have the text save set up on F3, but it would be useful if the Save box had an indication as to whether you were saving the story or the selected text - I know that the menu enty changes according to story/selection - but not going via the menu, you don't have that indication. The problem is caused when you have had an area of text selected, which you don't know about, and end up not saving the whole text file as you thought. (been there - done it - quit the file after, thinking the text was safe!) Perhaps a pair of 'Save text story' and 'Save selection' radio buttons in the save box, with the relevant one selected, but allowing you to choose the other? Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 8 22:00:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68604 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 22:00:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897262796:10:08362:0; Sun, 07 Jun 98 23:39:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122562; 7 Jun 98 23:39 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.61) [193.130.251.61] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yip2Y-0004g7-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 00:39:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 23:44:06 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I have come across a strange situation which affects printing at the limits of my HP 560C. Unfortunately there are several variables in this situation. I have two machines with Opro installed, one A440/1 in Cumbria (Printers 1.53 and OPro 2.46 - not got round to upgrading yet) and one in Sheffield (Risc PC, printers 1.54 with Opro 2.50 installed). The problem is that the Cumbria setup can fit more onto an A4 page than the Sheffield setup. I am using the following paper sizes from Printers:- CUMBRIA SHEFFIELD Top 2 Bottom 12 Top 2 Bottom 15.8 Left 4 Right 4 Left 4 Right 4 The printer commutes so that narrows it down to the two versions of Opro (I think this is unlikely to be the problem) and the two versions of Printers. Unfortunately my two setups being some 160 miles apart are making it difficult to solve the problem. One thing that is clear is that the HP 560C can work with a bottom margin of 12mm so why can't I get this with my 'SHEFFIELD' setup? Any offers? Richards -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From cjbf@cus.cam.ac.uk Mon Jun 8 22:00:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68606 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 22:00:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897308107:20:03122:3; Mon, 08 Jun 98 12:15:07 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2104126; 8 Jun 98 12:14 GMT Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yj0oy-00056H-00; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:14:40 +0100 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 13:14:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: Re: Autorun choices error message To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980605.014509.39@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Paul Hutton wrote: > I have checked the pathname following the > advice of someone- and it is pointing to my old folder (which I deleted)! > > Where is OPro getting the pathnames? I have Menubar running on bootup, but > have made sure the reference is to my new copy of OPro, and the !Boot file > points correctly to my new (and only) OPro directory. > MenuBar allows you to save System Variables, in an Obey file (!MenuBar.Library.SysVars) which is run when MenuBar starts up. It no doubt has your old paths in it. Either edit that file directly or delete it and save it again after restarting your computer. My preferred method of changing versions of OP (David has sent me many!) is to have a directory for each new version, appropriately named, and to keep the current version in the directory above. I then Move (Shift-drag) the old !OvnPro into its named directory, and Move the newer version out into the place previously occupied by the old version. That way, no pathnames change, so MenuBar is happy, and so is Ovation. You can either keep duplicate copies of dictionaries and applets, or just Move them between versions. Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 8 23:25:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68650 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 23:25:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897342762:20:18090:1; Mon, 08 Jun 98 21:52:42 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2124798; 8 Jun 98 21:52 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1011837; 8 Jun 98 21:51 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:22:39 GMT Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:22:27 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printing margins Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980606.172033.80@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980606.172033.80@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > One thing about printers, is that for all the software involved you > > can often physically shift the paper sideways - thats one way of > > getting an X offset. I guess I'd experiment and see if other > > software has a systematic error when printing. > > Also, I have found that the /actual/ print margins are not always the > same as given in the manual (eg, my Epson SC 800). It is worth > checking by printing lines from extreme edge to edge from !Draw and > measuring the actual dimensions, then resetting Paper Sizes in > !Printers. I don't think this is relevant to /this/ problem, but > it is worth doing anyway. I can concur with respect to the Epson colour 500. It's possible to get slightly more on the paper. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 24 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 9 14:10:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68717 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 09 Jun 98 14:10:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897360757:20:03953:1; Tue, 09 Jun 98 02:52:37 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003910; 9 Jun 98 2:52 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjEWN-0007V6-00; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 03:52:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 03:36:45 GMT Message-Id: <68699@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:( Dr A G Gray) >BUT: I've tried several things to get the fontsize back to normal (in the same >macro) and the font back to where it was, and OP seems to 'skip ahead' of >itself and make the changes before printing the two characters: so they appear >in original size and font. The usual thing is to put something like {NLock} in the macro. The more advanced way (not necessarily applicable here) is to put something like {CS_B} when you want bold say in a macro, since this has the effect of flushing the keypresses which precede it. From: Samuel Penn >> But these are the ones with the answers! You have to read 'Various' even if >Is there any particular reason why things are done this way? Yes, I agree that ideally I'd reply to each message individually. However at the moment there are all sorts of reasons to cut down the number of bits of outgoing mail, and gluing all the answers together is a good way. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From charlton@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 8 22:00:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68599 for david ; Mon, 08 Jun 98 22:00:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for David@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897233902:10:27407:0; Sun, 07 Jun 98 15:38:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103039; 7 Jun 98 15:38 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.37) [193.130.251.37] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yihWU-0004wW-00; Sun, 7 Jun 1998 16:38:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: David@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 11:03:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4852690e83charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Printer probs. v2.50 Content-Type: text/plain Status: R Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list with OvationPro. Indeed it is the first doubled sided sheet with this program at all. On printing the first sheet OK OvationPro reports a 'type 5 error' and disappears from the Desktop window. On reloading - it fails to print at all - with the report Can't Open 'devices#buffer3:$.Parallel' It doesn't crash but simply won't print thereafter until the machine is re booted and then it starts all over again.. FYI I am using a Calligraph A4-1200 laser printer which is a Dataproducts LZR888 machine with a podule card installed within the RiscPCSA.. Machine dram memory is over 60mb so that shouldn't be a problem. The Calligraph Podule card is installed in slot 1, slot 0 being occupied with a Morley SCSI card. It prints all right with Impression but because the Ovation program is intended to replace that program and clearly has a more flexible approach to master page generation I'd very much like to know if this can be remedied or is it another area like Contents and Indexing which is not yet fully addressed in the current gestation of OvP. Or have I missed something in the good but extensive documentation. Sincerely hope this is not a long term interface problem? and can be easily solved because I much prefer to use the laser printer to generate high quality output in the form of 'copy ready artwork' for issue when required to a commercial Printer. I am not a programmer so please keep it simple if that is possible. Thanks in anticipation, -- Bob Charlton From ian_barr@drabed.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 10 14:13:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68835 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:13:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897460338:20:03706:0; Wed, 10 Jun 98 06:32:18 GMT Received: from drabed.demon.co.uk ([158.152.38.89]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103251; 10 Jun 98 6:31 GMT Date: 9 Jun 98 11:38 EST From: To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: adding/deleting pages Message-ID: <897460337.213251.0@drabed.demon.co.uk> Text item: Text_1 This might seem a silly question but can someone tell me where you would use the 'Insert pages' option. As far as I can see, if you use this option it does nothing because the pages have been inserted, text reflowed and then the last page deleted. Also while working on my OU course work, I was inserting pages using 'add page'(cntl P) but trying to delete using 'delete pages' and found it wasn't working and ending up using the 'delete' key to delete an empty page when after a while I noticed my document had more pages than it should have. Before I got a chance to find out I ended up with a 'type 3 error'. What is a type 3 error? Rather than mess up my work again, I had a little play and did the following which actually appeared to add a page when you try to delete one. 1. Click on the OP icon on the icon bar to open a new document. 2. Add 2 new pages by pressing 'CTRL P' twice. Document now has 3 pages! 3. click on page 2 to make it the active frame. Don't add any text. 4. Now delete the page using the 'Delete pages' menu option. You may have to enter 'from page 2 to page 2' in dialogue box. Document still has 3 pages!!!! 5. Ensure cursor is still in page 2 and delete page by pressing the 'Delete key'. On my computer I now have 4 pages with a frame overflow on page 1 but also clicking on the frame link tool I find that the frame linking only links some pages, also when selecting the frames in turn one of them does not display the cursor although the frame is active and I am not able to write any text into the frame. This seems to only work provided you have 3 or more pages and the page you are trying to delete is not the first or last page. I have tried this procedure with OP 2.46 and get the same result. Does anyone else get this problem or am I doing something I'm not suppose to? and does 'delete pages' actually delete pages? Ian Barr SA RiscPC 26MB OP 2.50 E-mail ian_barr@drabed.demon.co.uk (work) ib63@student.open.ac.uk (home) From rjet1@cus.cam.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 14:13:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68837 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:13:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897470688:20:17251:4; Wed, 10 Jun 98 09:24:48 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128463; 10 Jun 98 9:24 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yjh7M-0005D0-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:24:28 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:24:25 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Adding an embedded graphic at the cursor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980610.013159.01@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Wed 10 Jun, Dr A G Gray wrote: > BUT: I've tried several things to get the fontsize back to normal (in the same > macro) and the font back to where it was, and OP seems to 'skip ahead' of > itself and make the changes before printing the two characters: so they appear > in original size and font. > > I had a similar problem using the keyboard buffer to transfer names, addresses, > etc (and effects - bold/italic) from a database program of mine which was > solved by a suggestion from DP (ta...) of including code to 'press NumLock' and > flush the keyboard buffer in order to allow effects to be recognised by OP. > > But including {swi13(8,138,0,213);} and {swi13(8,138,0,34);} in the macro has > no effect here. > > Any comments? I can nearly put a Yours sincerely, [new lines}, sig, {new lines} > and name, degrees etc, with one keypress. It *must* be possible. How about defining a style which changes into the Signature font at a certain point size and giving it a keypress (for the sake of argument, CS_S). You can switch into and out of it using the macro {CS_S}. Alternatively, if you have !RJETLib in your !OvnPro.Library directory, assuming the style is called SigStyle, you can turn it on with {get_style("SigStyle",1);} and off with {get_style("SigStyle",0);}. This only seems to work if the style in question *doesn't* have a keypress associated with it. (!RJETLib is installed by most of my applets, or by the library installer on my website). -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Wed Jun 10 14:13:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68839 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:13:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897471852:20:27996:0; Wed, 10 Jun 98 09:44:12 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2027910; 10 Jun 98 9:43 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 10:43:56 BST Message-Id: <25408.9806100943@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Wed, 10 Jun 98 10:43:56 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 Cc: rwatki@argonet.co.uk > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 10 03:11:55 1998 > From:(Richard Watkinson) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 01:32:20 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jun 98 23:44:06 > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 1497 > > I have come across a strange situation which affects printing at the limits of > my HP 560C. Unfortunately there are several variables in this situation. > > I have two machines with Opro installed, one A440/1 in Cumbria (Printers 1.53 > and OPro 2.46 - not got round to upgrading yet) and one in Sheffield (Risc PC, > printers 1.54 with Opro 2.50 installed). > > The problem is that the Cumbria setup can fit more onto an A4 page than the > Sheffield setup. I am using the following paper sizes from Printers:- > > CUMBRIA SHEFFIELD > Top 2 Bottom 12 Top 2 Bottom 15.8 > Left 4 Right 4 Left 4 Right 4 > > The printer commutes so that narrows it down to the two versions of Opro (I > think this is unlikely to be the problem) and the two versions of Printers. > Unfortunately my two setups being some 160 miles apart are making it difficult > to solve the problem. > > One thing that is clear is that the HP 560C can work with a bottom margin of > 12mm so why can't I get this with my 'SHEFFIELD' setup? > I have an A3010 4megs ram 320 HD, HP500C printer. I have upgraded printers several times. Each time the usable paper size has changed slightly (usually increased). My current version is 1.53 which has the largest usable size yet. Top 0 Bottom 12 Left 0 Right 6 Hope this helps. John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From barrya@dean.nwnet.co.uk Wed Jun 10 14:14:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68842 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 14:13:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897483152:20:10288:3; Wed, 10 Jun 98 12:52:32 GMT Received: from mailhost.nwnet.co.uk ([195.188.52.5]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010210; 10 Jun 98 12:52 GMT Received: from dean.nwnet.co.uk ([195.188.53.139]) by mailhost.nwnet.co.uk (post.office MTA v1.9.3 evaluation license) with SMTP id AAA102 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:51:52 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:52:40 +0100 (BST) From: Barry Allen Subject: Printing Labels To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Barry Allen, Manchester. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Sorry if this is a FAQ. I have a plain text file of 800 addresses which I wish to print out on address labels (A4 3 by 7). In Impression Publisher I set up a master page with label boxes which flowed from one box to the next. When I dropped the plain text file on the first box of the document all the pages that were needed were created. I could then print all the labels out. I've tried to do the same in Ovation P but setting up the flow from one box to another seems to prevent me dropping text into the frame. Is there a way to do it? -- TVM. Barry A. No.1. Be seeing you! Where is No.6? ..... Broughton Park F.C. (Rugby Union) http://www.nwnet.co.uk/dean/ From bric@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 10 18:02:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68868 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:02:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897498145:20:15297:3; Wed, 10 Jun 98 17:02:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015023; 10 Jun 98 17:01 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.166) [193.130.245.166] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjoFr-0000jX-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:01:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:23:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4853e5de5bbric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980610.013250.24@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list > with OvationPro. .......... [massive snip] Yesterday I printed out (using OPro v2.50) the NewFuncts document that came with the upgrade: 25 double-sided pages, but portrait not landscape. This worked perfectly (to my amazement) by printing: left sides, turn paper, right sides. This was on my Epson SC800 with Printers 1.54 and FastSpool+. Perhaps you could try that document to see whether it works for you, and/or study the printer settings. It might help you to narrow down the problem area. [snip] Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From robinson@repartee.co.uk Wed Jun 10 19:31:18 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68896 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:31:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897503331:10:13108:0; Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:28:51 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013049; 10 Jun 98 18:28 GMT Received: from (repartee.demon.co.uk) [194.222.70.56] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjpc1-00070Y-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:28:41 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Robinson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:56:21 +0100 Message-ID: <4853b1fa4aRobinson@repartee.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Skewed Text Curiosity Content-Type: text/plain If you rotate a text frame to say 10 degrees and the apply a skew effect of the same angle so that the base line of the text is at the chosen angle but the uprights of the text are restored to vertical, all looks well on the screen. But print it out and the text is printed with the baseline at 20 degrees (i.e. the angle of rotation and angle of skew are added together). Even more curious, if another effect such as bold or italics (I haven't tried other effects) is applied to part of the text in any one line, the line is printed at 20 degrees up to the point the effect is applied (or removed if the effect is in force at the beginning of the line) and the remainder of the line is at the right angle (in this case 10 degrees). I am using version 2.50 OvPro and CC Turbo Drivers with a Laserjet printer. -- Mike Robinson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------- 208 Holmley Lane, Dronfield S18 3DB, England Tel/Fax: (01246) 291333 E-Mail: robinson@repartee.co.uk From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 10 21:15:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68907 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 10 Jun 98 21:15:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897506412:10:09693:3; Wed, 10 Jun 98 19:20:12 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122475; 10 Jun 98 19:19 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjpen-00070c-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 19:31:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 98 18:52:46 GMT Message-Id: <68884@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: >This might seem a silly question but can someone tell me where you >would use the 'Insert pages' option. Yes, suppose you have a page with a number of document page frames on, you want to insert a page before it... >should have. Before I got a chance to find out I ended up with a 'type 3 >error'. What is a type 3 error? A C error, which means you've ended up executing illegal instructions. Other popular ones are type 5 - attempt to access an illegal memory address and type 2 - divide by zero. >1. Click on the OP icon on the icon bar to open a new document. >2. Add 2 new pages by pressing 'CTRL P' twice. Document now has 3 pages! Just as it should have. >On my computer I now have 4 pages with a frame overflow on page 1 but also Me too. This is bad news, obviously a bug, and a bad one too. I'm a bit surprised because there has been trouble with this kind of thing and I had fixed it (maybe with double sided docs). I will fix this asap. >and does 'delete pages' actually delete pages? Yes it does as you will find if you try it on a page with document page frames on. it's just one of those 'concept' things which no one seems to understand. Maybe it would be kinder to take the insert and delete options off the menus and wait until someone says "hey how do I do this". As I always say Ovation 1 was much worse, only one person (not me) understood how insert/detete pages was supposed to be used in that. From: Barry Allen >In Impression Publisher I set up a master page with label boxes which >flowed from one box to the next. When I dropped the plain text file on >the first box of the document all the pages that were needed were >created. I could then print all the labels out. >I've tried to do the same in Ovation P but setting up the flow from >one box to another seems to prevent me dropping text into the frame. As to the last sentence - no way. There are a couple of ways of doing what you want to do. Firstly by creating an autolinked frame on the master pages (use the link tool to link a frame to itself). Possibly a chain of such frames. Then dropping the text file into the document will create new pages. The text for each lable should be separated by form feed (equals new frame codes). This technique is described in the OPro 2.46 release notes and there is a utility by Bernard Veasey on the alternative OPro web site (http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/) to help you manipulate csv data into the right format. Second, see my document "Notes on using the new mail merge features in 2.48 and later" available from the www.beebug.com web site. From: Mike Robinson >but the uprights of the text are restored to vertical, all looks well on >the screen. But print it out and the text is printed with the baseline at >20 degrees (i.e. the angle of rotation and angle of skew are added >together). Which brings forth the typically weasley response of what happens on an Acorn printer driver? >Even more curious, if another effect such as bold or italics (I haven't >tried other effects) is applied to part of the text in any one line, the >line is printed at 20 degrees up to the point the effect is applied (or That is odd, although not unheard of. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 11 01:10:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68919 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 01:10:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897511418:10:22147:5; Wed, 10 Jun 98 20:43:38 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022084; 10 Jun 98 20:43 GMT Received: from (tsrank.demon.co.uk) [194.222.175.13] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yjriM-0007K7-00; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:43:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:42:37 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Rank Subject: Re: ArtWorks saving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980606.172049.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: Opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Sat 06 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > >Has anyone else had a problem attempting to save directly from ArtWorks=20 > >into an OPro frame, ie without saving the ArtWorks file to disk first?=20 > >Every tine I try this Ovation crashes with the following message: > >"Internal abort. No stack for trap handler. Data Abort > > > It'll take me some time to check ('cos I don't have AW on this machine), > one obvious idea, is memory/file size an issue? Sorry to raise a groan! I don't think that memory is a problem: my machine has 32 meg and this happens with quite small ArtWorks documents in small OPro documents. The same AW file will, as I think I mentioned, load without problems from disk - and even, usually, when it's been saved out as an OLE file - but I shall check all these again. Anyone else had this problem? Tom -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.49, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk From steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 11 14:11:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68973 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:11:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897554017:10:20033:14; Thu, 11 Jun 98 08:33:37 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019636; 11 Jun 98 8:32 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.42) [193.130.245.42] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yk2mh-0004uQ-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:32:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 20:58:18 +0100 Message-ID: <48542b013csteve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Bullet Lists Return-Receipt-To: steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hi All I have recently changed from IP to OP and have downloaded an applet called Bullet which controls bullet points to some degree. Is there an applet that gives you a choice of Bullet, from say a drop down menu. Cheers -- _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- From darprint@btinternet.com Thu Jun 11 14:11:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68975 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:11:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897554981:10:28700:0; Thu, 11 Jun 98 08:49:41 GMT Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.82]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126975; 11 Jun 98 8:49 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.53.70] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yk31T-0000Bk-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:47:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:08:10 +0100 Message-ID: <48546dd387darprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Skewed Text Curiosity In-Reply-To: <19980611.024200.16@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 11 Jun, Mike Robinson wrote: > If you rotate a text frame to say 10 degrees and the apply a skew effect > of the same angle so that the base line of the text is at the chosen > angle but the uprights of the text are restored to vertical, all looks > well on the screen. But print it out and the text is printed with the > baseline at 20 degrees (i.e. the angle of rotation and angle of skew are > added together). > Even more curious, if another effect such as bold or italics (I haven't > tried other effects) is applied to part of the text in any one line, the > line is printed at 20 degrees up to the point the effect is applied (or > removed if the effect is in force at the beginning of the line) and the > remainder of the line is at the right angle (in this case 10 degrees). > I am using version 2.50 OvPro and CC Turbo Drivers with a Laserjet > printer. Hi Mike No problem here using OvPro 2.50, Acorn Postscript printer driver 1.54 and an HP Laserjet 4MV. Perhaps its the CC Turbo Driver that is causing your problem. Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 From darprint@btinternet.com Thu Jun 11 14:11:23 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68976 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:11:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897554981:10:28703:1; Thu, 11 Jun 98 08:49:41 GMT Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.82]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028696; 11 Jun 98 8:49 GMT Received: from darprint.btinternet.com [195.99.53.70] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yk31X-0000Bk-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:47:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger Mayne To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:49:51 +0100 Message-ID: <485471a479darprint@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: adding/deleting pages In-Reply-To: <19980611.024126.08@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 11 Jun, ian_barr@drabed.demon.co.uk wrote: > Rather than mess up my work again, I had a little play and did the > following which actually appeared to add a page when you try to delete > one. > 1. Click on the OP icon on the icon bar to open a new document. > 2. Add 2 new pages by pressing 'CTRL P' twice. Document now has 3 pages! > 3. click on page 2 to make it the active frame. Don't add any text. > 4. Now delete the page using the 'Delete pages' menu option. You may > have to enter 'from page 2 to page 2' in dialogue box. Document still > has 3 pages!!!! > 5. Ensure cursor is still in page 2 and delete page by pressing the > 'Delete key'. > On my computer I now have 4 pages with a frame overflow on page 1 but > also clicking on the frame link tool I find that the frame linking only > links some pages, also when selecting the frames in turn one of them > does not display the cursor although the frame is active and I am not > able to write any text into the frame. > This seems to only work provided you have 3 or more pages and the page > you are trying to delete is not the first or last page. > I have tried this procedure with OP 2.46 and get the same result. > Does anyone else get this problem or am I doing something I'm not > suppose to? and does 'delete pages' actually delete pages? I have tried several times to duplicate this problem without success, but it seems that my setup is somewhat different in that I use the macros file ImpKeys. CTRL_P, on my machine, turns page rulers on and off and the delete key does nothing so I tried all of the above using the menu options i.e. insert two pages via the page menu and delete page 2 also via the page menu. I ended up with two pages just as it should. Regards Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@btinternet.com Darprint, Lithographic Printers Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 292881 Fax: 01322 291237 From bric@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 11 14:12:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68985 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 14:12:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897557162:10:19128:5; Thu, 11 Jun 98 09:26:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101216; 11 Jun 98 9:25 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.246) [193.130.245.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yk3cE-0005ab-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:25:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:26:29 +0100 Message-ID: <48546a02acbric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 In-Reply-To: <19980611.024137.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 11 Jun, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: [large snip] > > The problem is that the Cumbria setup can fit more onto an A4 > > page than the Sheffield setup. I am using the following paper > > sizes from Printers:- > > > > CUMBRIA SHEFFIELD > > Top 2 Bottom 12 Top 2 Bottom 15.8 > > Left 4 Right 4 Left 4 Right 4 > > > > The printer commutes so that narrows it down to the two versions > > of Opro (I think this is unlikely to be the problem) and the two > > versions of Printers. Unfortunately my two setups being some 160 > > miles apart are making it difficult to solve the problem. > > > > One thing that is clear is that the HP 560C can work with a > > bottom margin of 12mm so why can't I get this with my 'SHEFFIELD' > > setup? The print margins are set in !Printers > 'Edit paper sizes...' and are nothing to do with OPro, so /you/ can set whatever you like and the application, eg OPro, picks up the values you have inserted. From what you say, the default values appear to be set differently for Printers v1.53 and 1.54, and in any case (if my experience is any guide) may be incorrect for your actual printer. Sometimes the manuals gives wrong values and changes may be made as production continues. The only sure way is to set zero margins (eg, by choosing 'A4 paper size') and print a page from, say, !Draw with lines from edge to edge, and then /measure/ the unprinted edges. If you then set these values in both drivers, using a new paper size called, say, 'A4 (HP560)', you ought to be able to print to those new margins from either machine. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From jcooke@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 11 18:37:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69042 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 18:37:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897585918:20:25263:0; Thu, 11 Jun 98 17:25:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118275; 11 Jun 98 17:24 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.12) [193.130.246.12] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykB5X-0004dg-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:24:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Julia Cooke) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 18:20:00 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: ArtWorks saving Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Thu 11 Jun 98 (02:42:15 +0100), opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk wrote: (re crashing of OPro when trying to save directly from Artworks into an OPro frame) > Anyone else had this problem? > Tom Not I! (I've just tried it a few times, and no crashes so far). Apologies if I've done anything silly with this mail - first time I've sent anything to a mailing list. Julia Cooke (Ovation Pro 2.49, RiscPC700 + SA) -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ jcooke@argonet.co.uk From jack@snave.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 11 21:03:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69052 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 21:03:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897593211:10:22092:0; Thu, 11 Jun 98 19:26:51 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107347; 11 Jun 98 19:26 GMT Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykCze-00032Z-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 19:26:38 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:44:43 +0100 Message-ID: <48549221cbjack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980610.013250.24@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list with > OvationPro. Indeed it is the first doubled sided sheet with this program > at all. On printing the first sheet OK OvationPro reports a 'type 5 error' > and disappears from the Desktop window. > On reloading - it fails to print at all - with the report > Can't Open 'devices#buffer3:$.Parallel' > It doesn't crash but simply won't print thereafter until the machine is re > booted and then it starts all over again.. > FYI I am using a Calligraph A4-1200 laser printer which is a Dataproducts > LZR888 machine with a podule card installed within the RiscPCSA.. > Machine dram memory is over 60mb so that shouldn't be a problem. > The Calligraph Podule card is installed in slot 1, slot 0 being occupied > with a Morley SCSI card. I was speaking recently to David Humphreys at Calligraph and he acknowledged there are problems with OPro that necessitate Calligraph software changes. For this he said would need to get hold of a copy of OPro for his programmer. I suggested he should get in contact with David P but I have no idea whether he has done so. I don't know whether he reads this maillist, but you and anyone else interested might like to chivvy him (DH). -- Jack Evans mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk From magnox@zetnet.co.uk Thu Jun 11 21:04:26 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69058 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 21:04:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897593157:20:29452:23; Thu, 11 Jun 98 19:25:57 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2109459; 11 Jun 98 19:25 GMT Received: from magnox.zetnet.co.uk (man-158.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.201]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA29969 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:25:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:23:25 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Mailing list Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980611.024152.62@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Thu 11 Jun, Brian Carroll wrote: > On 10 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > > Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list > > with OvationPro. .......... [massive snip] > > Yesterday I printed out (using OPro v2.50) the NewFuncts document > that came with the upgrade: 25 double-sided pages, but portrait not > landscape. This worked perfectly (to my amazement) by printing: left > sides, turn paper, right sides. This was on my Epson SC800 with > Printers 1.54 and FastSpool+. > > Perhaps you could try that document to see whether it works for you, > and/or study the printer settings. It might help you to narrow down > the problem area. I noticed that the original poster (er, not a flat bit of paper I mean) was using a calligraph direct drive printer. When I took my machine to work shortly before we went to the Holland Computer show, I connected it to the network and tried to print some posters (the flat kind) on the network printer...a calligraph etc. etc. I got the same fault, in the end we connected a BJ200 to it, it would print some bits on the calligraph, but freaked totally with the graphics. Well, it errored, then chucked out the paper, sans graphic. At the time I thought it may have been my copy (2.48), but no. It also crashed a few times at the show, embarrasing in front of the public I was demoing OvPro to. Any problems with FontDirPro? On importing some fonts Ov crashes, taking Font Directory with it. Probably just my machine. Usually is. Cheers Matt -- Matt Gotts magnox@zetnet.co.uk (home) matt@cje.co.uk (work) From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 11 23:14:59 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69088 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 11 Jun 98 23:14:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897600562:10:21649:0; Thu, 11 Jun 98 21:29:22 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1126895; 11 Jun 98 21:29 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykEuI-0000jt-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:29:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 98 21:10:17 GMT Message-Id: <69066@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Jack Evans >I was speaking recently to David Humphreys at Calligraph and he >acknowledged there are problems with OPro that necessitate Calligraph >software changes. >For this he said would need to get hold of a copy of OPro for his >programmer. I suggested he should get in contact with David P but I have no >idea whether he has done so. I don't know whether he reads this maillist, >but you and anyone else interested might like to chivvy him (DH). I've had no contact with Caligraph for years. Even the fontfix module went to them through a third party. We're only too happy to give copies of OPro to anyone who we should be co-operating with. From: Ovation Mailing list >It also crashed a few times at the show, embarrasing in front of the >public I was demoing OvPro to. Any problems with FontDirPro? On >importing some fonts Ov crashes, taking Font Directory with it. That sounds like a good one. (If you can reproduce it). From: Steven Pampling >A user takes each e-mail in turn and extracts anything with an item worth >commenting on, along with an attribution, and drops it into a file. This may be disturbing, but I just take the big file of all the mail for a day, load it into Edit, edit it, and then paste the resulting replies back into the mail file. I don't use a mail program in other words. Mind you I always used to use 'twin' (ancient programmers editor) for editing sprites 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 12 01:45:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69090 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 01:44:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897604935:20:09271:2; Thu, 11 Jun 98 22:42:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009140; 11 Jun 98 22:41 GMT Received: from (193.130.252.202) [193.130.252.202] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykG2a-00037z-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:41:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:34:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4854b7a778steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help In-Reply-To: <19980610.013205.82@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Jun, Samuel Penn wrote: > Presumably David does it this way because it's easier for him, > though cutting and pasting half a dozen bits of messages into > a single article seems like a lot more trouble than simply > hitting 'reply' half a dozen times... Consider the scenario: A user takes each e-mail in turn and extracts anything with an item worth commenting on, along with an attribution, and drops it into a file. The user then includes that file in a mailing,and works through the file inserting answers, finally labelling the mailing in some way. Does it not seem logical to name it "Various" because it has the answers to various questions... ?? * SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC Zr *** "Cheer up Lad, think of the Derby Trip!!" *** - Wallace looking forward to Derby Beer Festival... From mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 01:45:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69091 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 01:45:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897605218:20:11445:0; Thu, 11 Jun 98 22:46:58 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011381; 11 Jun 98 22:46 GMT Received: from (davbros.demon.co.uk) [158.152.143.174] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykG7L-0007BB-00; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:46:48 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:14:21 +0100 (BST) From: David Broster Subject: Re: ArtWorks saving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980611.024215.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Rev David Broster, Kilbirnie, Ayrshire X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Thu 11 Jun, Tom Rank wrote: > On Sat 06 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > > >Has anyone else had a problem attempting to save directly from ArtWorks= > > >into an OPro frame, ie without saving the ArtWorks file to disk first? No. Just tried again to make sure but loaded direct from Artworks 1.7 into a frame in 2.50 without any problems. ... and I don't recall having problems in the past either. -- from David Broster E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk From steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk Fri Jun 12 14:03:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69138 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897635941:20:16475:2; Fri, 12 Jun 98 07:19:01 GMT Received: from mail.compulink.co.uk ([194.153.0.20]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016245; 12 Jun 98 7:18 GMT Received: from turnbull (turnbull.compulink.co.uk [194.153.4.31]) by mail.compulink.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id IAA01485 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:18:11 +0100 (BST) X-Envelope-From: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 07:31:10 +0100 From: Steve Turnbull To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Message-ID: <33c8e85448%steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980612.023030.67@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: The Turnbull Family X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l In message <19980612.023030.67@pilling.demon.co.uk> magnox@zetnet.co.uk (Ovation Mailing list) wrote: > On Thu 11 Jun, Brian Carroll wrote: > > On 10 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > > > Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list > > > with OvationPro. .......... [massive snip] > > > > Yesterday I printed out (using OPro v2.50) the NewFuncts document > > that came with the upgrade: 25 double-sided pages, but portrait not > > landscape. This worked perfectly (to my amazement) by printing: left > > sides, turn paper, right sides. This was on my Epson SC800 with > > Printers 1.54 and FastSpool+. > > > It also crashed a few times at the show, embarrasing in front of the > public I was demoing OvPro to. Any problems with FontDirPro? On > importing some fonts Ov crashes, taking Font Directory with it. > > Probably just my machine. Usually is. You don't have the Powertec ZipFS running but no Zip drive connected do you? Nasty bug that affects all printing: No Zip drive but running Powertec ZipFS results in printing aborts sometime into the printing. -- Steve Turnbull (steve@turnbull.cix.co.uk) http://www.cix.co.uk/~turnbull/ .... Don't drink and park, accidents cause people From michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Fri Jun 12 14:04:32 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69154 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:04:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897639086:10:17734:0; Fri, 12 Jun 98 08:11:26 GMT Received: from gatea.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.10]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112071; 12 Jun 98 8:11 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by bbcgate.bbc.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.2) with ESMTP id Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified [132.185.49.42]) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:09:14 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:10:36 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: ovationp-l , RAMplify Support Subject: Tip for using OVPro and RAMplify Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:18:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Greetings All, I recently installed RAMplify (from Werewolf Software) on my 4Meg machine. This allows tasks to be saved to disc thus freeing RAM on the machine. I particularly wanted to use it to free up memory for printing. It can easily be configured to swap out tasks automatically which have been idle for a predetermined time. There is an option to disable that (but still allow manual swapping) but it did not seem to work with OVPro! It can be very irritating to be looking for inspiration and suddenly seeing the work swap to disc. I followed the instructions to the letter and what puzzled me was sometimes it worked correctly and at other times it did not! It never seemed to work from a machine boot! I was on the point of asking for help when I stumbled on the solution. During the OvPro startup sequence the task running is called FrontEnd. This stops before the main OvationPro task runs. Both those tasks must be set to 'idle swap ^0'. RAMplify does not seem to properly notice the OvationPro task starting and so does not work properly. Hope this helps. Another tip : I allow 'printers' to swap out so recovering the 400k+ used by the printer manager. The printer driver itself remains in memory. I only need to use the manager when I change printers. Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Fri Jun 12 14:04:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69156 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:04:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897642341:10:18254:2; Fri, 12 Jun 98 09:05:41 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018220; 12 Jun 98 9:05 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 10:05:37 BST Message-Id: <18247.9806120905@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Fri, 12 Jun 98 10:05:37 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 02:43:21 1998 > From:(Brian Carroll) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:30:09 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:26:29 +0100 > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 2082 > > On 11 Jun, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > > [large snip] > > > > The problem is that the Cumbria setup can fit more onto an A4 > > > page than the Sheffield setup. I am using the following paper > > > sizes from Printers:- > > > > > > > CUMBRIA SHEFFIELD > > > Top 2 Bottom 12 Top 2 Bottom 15.8 > > > Left 4 Right 4 Left 4 Right 4 > > > > > > > The printer commutes so that narrows it down to the two versions > > > of Opro (I think this is unlikely to be the problem) and the two > > > versions of Printers. Unfortunately my two setups being some 160 > > > miles apart are making it difficult to solve the problem. > > > > > > One thing that is clear is that the HP 560C can work with a > > > bottom margin of 12mm so why can't I get this with my 'SHEFFIELD' > > > setup? > > The print margins are set in !Printers > 'Edit paper sizes...' and are > nothing to do with OPro, so /you/ can set whatever you like and the > application, eg OPro, picks up the values you have inserted. From what > you say, the default values appear to be set differently for Printers > v1.53 and 1.54, and in any case (if my experience is any guide) may be > incorrect for your actual printer. Sometimes the manuals gives > wrong values and changes may be made as production continues. > > The only sure way is to set zero margins (eg, by choosing 'A4 paper > size') and print a page from, say, !Draw with lines from edge to > edge, and then /measure/ the unprinted edges. If you then set these > values in both drivers, using a new paper size called, say, 'A4 > (HP560)', you ought to be able to print to those new margins from > either machine. > > Brian. No what we were referingt to is the maximum printable area on an A4 paper using HP 500 C and HP 590? printers. When you change versions of !Printers, this changws. Increasing the margins results in the text apearing on screen but the edges not being printed. I think it is a "feture" of the printers softwhere. May be the writer used to work for Bill Gates? John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From ovationpro@hallas.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 14:04:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69155 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:04:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897655730:20:21417:7; Fri, 12 Jun 98 12:48:50 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113858; 12 Jun 98 12:48 GMT Received: from (hallas.demon.co.uk) [158.152.118.28] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykRta-0005Za-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:21:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:16:48 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Message-ID: <8fee25548%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980612.023023.26@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61a In message <19980612.023023.26@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On 10 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > > Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list > > with OvationPro. Indeed it is the first doubled sided sheet with > > this program at all. On printing the first sheet OK OvationPro > > reports a 'type 5 error' and disappears from the Desktop window. > > > On reloading - it fails to print at all - with the report > > Can't Open 'devices#buffer3:$.Parallel' > > It doesn't crash but simply won't print thereafter until the > > machine is re booted and then it starts all over again.. > > > FYI I am using a Calligraph A4-1200 laser printer which is a > > Dataproducts LZR888 machine with a podule card installed within > > the RiscPCSA.. Machine dram memory is over 60mb so that shouldn't > > be a problem. The Calligraph Podule card is installed in slot 1, > > slot 0 being occupied with a Morley SCSI card. > > I was speaking recently to David Humphreys at Calligraph and he > acknowledged there are problems with OPro that necessitate > Calligraph software changes. > > For this he said would need to get hold of a copy of OPro for his > programmer. I suggested he should get in contact with David P but I > have no idea whether he has done so. I don't know whether he reads > this maillist, but you and anyone else interested might like to > chivvy him (DH). I use a Calligraph A3-1200, and have done lots of printing from Ovation Pro without any real problems. There are two things that you need to know, really: 1. There is a problem with printing Draw files which contain text, particularly if they're rotated - the text will often vanish. In order to cure this problem, David Pilling has written a very handy module which you can stick in your boot sequence and then forget. It's FontFix version 0.01, and you can grab it from the free software page at David's Web site. The URL of the file is: Note that this fixes the problems for all applications, not just Ovation Pro. 2. If you get the "Can't Open 'devices#buffer3:$.Parallel'" error, then all you need to do is close the file, since it was left open previously. It's not all that easy to do that manually, but there are loads of file-closing utilities around. RISC User has published them in the past, and the incredibly handy Director (which I wouldn't be without!) has such a facility built in. Just find that file in the list of open files, close it, and printing from Ovation Pro will work again. No need to reset. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 From charlton@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 12 14:04:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69157 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:04:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897646857:10:28935:0; Fri, 12 Jun 98 10:20:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118417; 12 Jun 98 10:20 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.44) [193.130.246.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykQwo-0002Os-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:20:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:45:09 +0100 Message-ID: <4854fa8a6echarlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980612.023023.26@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 12 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > For this he said would need to get hold of a copy of OPro for his > programmer. I suggested he should get in contact with David P but I have > no idea whether he has done so. I don't know whether he reads this > maillist, but you and anyone else interested might like to chivvy him > (DH). Thanks Jack, much obliged for your and others comment so far. I spoke to David Humphries earlier in the week, as I also checked with David Pilling before this matter was floated. david was not unaware that there have been problems with Calligraph printers and their use with OvPro and other software. Usually it is possible to get it sorted but nailing the bad bytes is the key. I hope that any other Calligraph users might make contact and knowledge gained be pooled as a result. In that I also use a BJC600 for lower res and colour work - I am able to Print the data across via CC TurboDriver so I know the composition and page content does work direct from OvPro.. ....but it would be nice to indentify what specifically is tripping the 'Type=5' aborts, and the locking out the Calligraph - after only one page of output. It would be even better to be able to use the Calligraph for text output jobs and Business/Club letters - which is really its intended forte - rather than using the inkjet for such less suitable tasks. David Humphries has now acquired a copy of OvPro and I have sent him a copy of the page layout in question just to see if it crashes his machine and OvPro too. Thanks again, -- Bob Charlton From 4qd@4qd.co.uk Fri Jun 12 14:04:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69159 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897650858:10:05917:1; Fri, 12 Jun 98 11:27:38 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122451; 12 Jun 98 11:27 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.144) [193.130.245.144] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykRzN-0003LE-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:27:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(4qd) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Cc: cal@ar.telme.com Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:16:56 +0100 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 12 Jun 98 (02:30:38 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > I've had no contact with Caligraph for years. Even the fontfix module > went to them through a third party. > > We're only too happy to give copies of OPro to anyone who we should > be co-operating with. I use Calligraph: haven't experinced problems with OPro particularly - but a lot of general problems. I could say a lot - but it is off topic.... I'll cc this email to D Humphreys cal@ar.telme.com > From: Steven Pampling > > >A user takes each e-mail in turn and extracts anything with an item > worth > >commenting on, along with an attribution, and drops it into a file. > > This may be disturbing, but I just take the big file of all the mail > for a day, load it into Edit, edit it, and then paste the resulting > replies back into > the mail file. I don't use a mail program in other words. > > Mind you I always used to use 'twin' (ancient programmers editor) > for editing sprites 8-) David, you should use Strong Ed: it's got one of the nicest user interfaces I've met. Window scrolling is far better than OPro and it's very nice to use. Only problem is that it needs a good manual - it's stuffed with features that are undocumented. I pre-process incoming emails in StrongEd and if an incoming email needs chopping and editing, I often export to StrongEd and edit there. Strong Ed and OPro make an excellent combination! Incidentally: I started off using Zap as well. 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From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 17:12:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69188 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 17:12:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897662499:10:24282:1; Fri, 12 Jun 98 14:41:39 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125628; 12 Jun 98 14:41 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykV0y-00019y-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:41:12 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Jun 98 15:22:12 GMT Message-Id: <69178@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Mike Hunter >During the OvPro startup sequence the task running is called FrontEnd. >This stops before the main OvationPro task runs. Both those tasks must When you double click on OPro a shell program starts up. This does the copy protection checks - but it is a task, if you're quick and click on the window which appears at first you can pause the loading process and examing the registration info. Anyway after a couple of seconds this shell task quits and then copies the main program over itself and runs it. From: Richard Hallas >2. If you get the "Can't Open 'devices#buffer3:$.Parallel'" error, >then all you need to do is close the file, since it was left open >previously. It's not all that easy to do that manually, So you've seen this error then? F12 *close is the quick fix - closes all open files on the current FS. But some applications do a lot of damage if you close their files unexpectedly. From:(4qd) >David, you should use Strong Ed: it's got one of the nicest user interfaces >I've met. Window scrolling is far better than OPro and it's very nice to use. Better in what sense? I can understand faster because it doesn't (by default) use outline fonts - cf the scrolling speed in Hearsay to see I can do that, but I don't think you want a DTP program with fixed pitch fonts. From: Martin Vethake > With OP 2.49 and LaserDirect 4.03 it is just the same. The Acorn >drivers we tested did not do this. Oh, and Impression would not have >done this too (giggle)! ...because Impression can't skew text? From: Kevin Simpson >No, just make it delete the page the selected frame is on. The current page >should be the page with a selected frame on, then you can say "delete >current page" or "insert before/after current page" etc. Thats very easy to >understand and explain. Maybe for you, but the folk who don't like the feature, just don't like the whole concept, not the mere details of which page it deletes. >I had problems exporting some draw files directly from Aw into an OPro frame >(because AW doesn't have a "save selection" facility!), but didn't have >time to explore the problem much. As in your case, saving to disk then to >OPro worked perfectly. I'm using AW v1.7 and OPro v2.5. >I have already moaned about it to DP. And he has forgotten. >I have been having some /HUGE/ problems with two very complex AW files. Each >file is about 14Mb and has lots of text converted to paths, blends and >linear/radial fills, curly swirly twirdly bits etc (they are bank note >designs). >I was getting loads of type=5 errors, type=3 errors, lock ups, slow downs, >crashes and printing to a PS file was impossible. As my deadline loomed I >resorted to desperation and increased OPro's wimpslot to 2048k (I don't know >how advisable this is), Increasing the wimp slot can't do any harm. As you've found it can do some good. Although in 99% of the cases where things go wrong, it won't make a scrap of difference. I would guess complex graphics == a requirement for a lot of memory. However I'd quite like to see this because the above description and explanation doesn't quite add up. Slight snag is that I only have a 13Mb RPC... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From martinv@ucs.de Fri Jun 12 17:12:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69190 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 17:12:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897667703:10:16758:0; Fri, 12 Jun 98 16:08:23 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108536; 12 Jun 98 16:08 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA11349 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:08:18 +0200 Message-Id: <199806121608.SAA11349@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 12 Jun 1998 14:09:03 GMT Subject: Re: Skewed Text Curiosity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: >I am using version 2.50 OvPro and CC Turbo Drivers with a Laserjet printer. With OP 2.49 and LaserDirect 4.03 it is just the same. The Acorn drivers we tested did not do this. Oh, and Impression would not have done this too (giggle)! Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 21:24:42 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69205 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 21:24:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897678920:10:25166:1; Fri, 12 Jun 98 19:15:20 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024951; 12 Jun 98 19:14 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykZHb-0006Tx-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:14:39 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:14:35 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:10:49 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various (deleting pages) Message-ID: <52542e5548%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980611.024207.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980611.024207.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >and does 'delete pages' actually delete pages? > > Yes it does as you will find if you try it on a page with document page > frames on. > > it's just one of those 'concept' things which no one seems to > understand. Maybe it would be kinder to take the insert and delete > options off the menus and wait until someone says "hey how do I do this". No, just make it delete the page the selected frame is on. The current page should be the page with a selected frame on, then you can say "delete current page" or "insert before/after current page" etc. Thats very easy to understand and explain. If, as is suggested here, you have to add a frame to a frameless page in order to delete it then there is no advantage to the middle-of-the-screen thing. I can never tell where the middle of the screen is, so I'm always afraid to delete pages and have to save the document first in case I'm wrong! Also its very odd to be able to do something to, say, page 16 when there is a cursor and a selected (active?) frame on page 2. Its a bit like !Edit's two cursors which always seemed unnecessarily complex when every other text processor you ever used had only one with the standard Ctrl X, C, V etc. > As I always say Ovation 1 was much worse, only one person (not me) understood > how insert/delete pages was supposed to be used in that. I have difficulty understanding why such a simple concept should be so shrouded with difficulty. But then my degree is in communication graphics so consequently the only people with whom I can successfully communicate are others with degrees in communication graphics :-) Kevin -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 12 21:24:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69207 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 12 Jun 98 21:24:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897678863:20:28901:0; Fri, 12 Jun 98 19:14:23 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028899; 12 Jun 98 19:14 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykZHJ-0007dX-00; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:14:22 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:55:27 GMT Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:52:36 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: ArtWorks saving Message-ID: <51a92c5548%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980611.024215.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980611.024215.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Sorry to raise a groan! I don't think that memory is a problem: my machine > has 32 meg and this happens with quite small ArtWorks documents in small OPro > documents. The same AW file will, as I think I mentioned, load without > problems from disk - and even, usually, when it's been saved out as an OLE > file - but I shall check all these again. Anyone else had this problem? I had problems exporting some draw files directly from Aw into an OPro frame (because AW doesn't have a "save selection" facility!), but didn't have time to explore the problem much. As in your case, saving to disk then to OPro worked perfectly. I'm using AW v1.7 and OPro v2.5. I have already moaned about it to DP. I have been having some /HUGE/ problems with two very complex AW files. Each file is about 14Mb and has lots of text converted to paths, blends and linear/radial fills, curly swirly twirdly bits etc (they are bank note designs). I was getting loads of type=5 errors, type=3 errors, lock ups, slow downs, crashes and printing to a PS file was impossible. As my deadline loomed I resorted to desperation and increased OPro's wimpslot to 2048k (I don't know how advisable this is), all of the problems almost completely disappeared... Although I still couldn't print four on a page, I had to print one at a time and pay a planner to plan them up. And the cost of this is going to hurt. Perhaps the two problems are related. Because of the time I spent not missing my deadline I haven't had time to moan about this to DP yet. Kevin -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From jacorn@ibm.net Sat Jun 13 14:33:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69264 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 13 Jun 98 14:33:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897732255:20:05237:0; Sat, 13 Jun 98 10:04:15 GMT Received: from out4.ibm.net ([165.87.194.239]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112615; 13 Jun 98 10:04 GMT Received: from jacorn.ibm.net (slip139-92-82-115.bar.es.ibm.net [139.92.82.115]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:11:25 +0200 (BST) From: "James White (Sibelius in Spain)" Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980612.023009.75@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 X-Organization: James White (Sibelius in Spain) X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by out4.ibm.net id KAA63496 On Fri 12 Jun, Brian Carroll wrote: > On 11 Jun, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: >=20 > [large snip] ditto May I add that the printer itself can have different margin(s) set internally. So first read the printer manual and check its settings, since the Acorn printer driver won't override them. JW --=20 -------------------------------------------- Sibelius in Spain mailto:jacorn@ibm.net Sibelius in Andaluc=EDa mailto:pmoya@valnet.es -------------------------------------------- From bric@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 13 14:33:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69270 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 13 Jun 98 14:33:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897737725:20:07054:3; Sat, 13 Jun 98 11:35:25 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006976; 13 Jun 98 11:35 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.246) [193.130.245.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykoaV-00067a-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 12:35:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 09:48:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4855792e02bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 In-Reply-To: <19980613.020850.59@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: [large snip] > No what we were referingt to is the maximum printable area on an A4 > paper using HP 500 C and HP 590? printers. When you change versions > of !Printers, this changws. Increasing the margins results in the > text apearing on screen but the edges not being printed. I think it > is a "feture" of the printers softwhere. May be the writer used to > work for Bill Gates? I think you misunderstood my 'explanation'. Situation is: 1 printer, 2 different drivers, 2 versions of OvnPro. I contend the problem is the drivers which have probably got different /default/ paper sizes for the same paper names. I advocated actually measuring the non-printable margins and then setting up these values in a custom paper size on /both/ drivers. This may of course result in the margins being increased (as you say) or /decreased/: the point is that the grey margins shown in OvnPro (or any other application) now show the real printable area of the paper /on that printer/. This problem has recently been raised in a Argo newsgroup and was solved by the same method. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From charlton@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 13 14:37:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69274 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 13 Jun 98 14:37:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897744824:10:05801:0; Sat, 13 Jun 98 13:33:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005775; 13 Jun 98 13:33 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.100) [193.130.245.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykqR8-0007n2-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:33:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:02:34 +0100 Message-ID: <4855907381charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980613.020836.22@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Steve Turnbull wrote: > You don't have the Powertec ZipFS running but no Zip drive connected > do you? Sorry no Steve. It seems to be narrowing down to something to do with either TurboDrivers for BJC600 or another module using the same channels. I took CCdata out and removed BJC600 printers file rebooted and it still gave the error. The new boot Directory hwever has a number of these modules in the printers directory and it is proving very difficult for me to trace what is reiterating what seems to be a TurboDriver command opening but not closing the serial Printer Port... Of course the BJC600 wont work without the TD Software unless I connect a Standard Printer Cable in place of the Dedicated turboDriver Printer Cable. but it is switching from the Disc based v1.53 Printer application to the Rom based v1.54 application with TD software removed as I suppose it should if it thinks it is no longer a TD controlled machine. Not sure atm if the OvPro modules should be talking to the !Boot.Resources directory or the !Boot.Resources.!System directory both seen to have copies of CCShared. When the new Boot application was rewriting the files where would it want CCShared etc. to be? Any help appreciated, rgds., Thanks, -- Bob Charlton From charlton@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 13 15:59:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69297 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 13 Jun 98 15:59:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897744852:20:19473:0; Sat, 13 Jun 98 13:34:12 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019300; 13 Jun 98 13:33 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.100) [193.130.245.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykqRD-0007n2-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:33:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:23:47 +0100 Message-ID: <4855926504charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09 for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980613.020858.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Richard Hallas wrote: > In message <19980612.023023.26@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > On 10 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > > > Have just tried printing my first double sided A4 Landscape list [etc etc snip] > I use a Calligraph A3-1200, and have done lots of printing from > Ovation Pro without any real problems. Good to hear that. > There are two things that you need to know, really: Yes Bernard Veasey sent me Davids' fontfix and that is not the culprit. [snip] because Bernard has the same page and it works for him. Ditto Draw files. > 2. If you get the "Can't Open 'devices#buffer3:$.Parallel'" error, [snip] > list of open files, close it, and printing from Ovation Pro will work > again. No need to reset. As you said it isn't that easy to get at some software relocated elseware and a global *close doesn't work over the serial printer port buffers. Quite apart from which when the Type=5 error kicks in OvPro is already in effect shutting down because any response given causes it to shutdown and abscond from the icon bar. I have tried *close and reloading but the lines are still being held open. Type=5 kicks in again and Ovpro is off again. Reset allows me to print face two of the previous sheet and in comes Type=5 again and so and so and so ad nauseum. I'm trying to find out if TurboDrivers the NEW rebuilt Boot and the Calligraph software actually can live together. I seem to be the only one trying to use both the Calligraph A4-1200 and the BJC600 via TurboDrivers - though naturally not at the same time and not online together... though in theory if the software was right _and if_ I've got all the bits in the right place... it dam well ought to. or "their is something rotten in the state of Denmark" W Shakespear? Thanks for the input Richard. -- Bob Charlton From dominik.wagner@t-online.de Sat Jun 13 16:00:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69299 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 13 Jun 98 16:00:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897748373:20:10504:2; Sat, 13 Jun 98 14:32:53 GMT Received: from mailout03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.151]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010431; 13 Jun 98 14:32 GMT Received: from fwd01.btx.dtag.de (fwd01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.161]) by mailout03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0ykrKj-000701-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:31:05 +0200 Received: from 000488668221080712250#0002.t-online.de (080712250-0002(btxid)@[193.159.110.216]) by fwd01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:30:45 +0200 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:00:57 +0200 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980612.023038.00@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60j X-Sender: 080712250-0002@t-online.de From:(Dominik Wagner) A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my homepage http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now works perfect (at least I hope so...) 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Homepage unter: http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ *-*---*-------*---------------*---------------*-------*---*-* NICHTWAEHLER WERDEN VON SO MANCHER PARTEI *EXTREM* BEGRUESST From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 13 17:40:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69318 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 13 Jun 98 17:40:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897756040:20:29603:0; Sat, 13 Jun 98 16:40:40 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100057; 13 Jun 98 16:40 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yktM8-0004Sc-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:40:40 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Jun 98 17:39:06 GMT Message-Id: <69316@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Alan Muscat >The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 >!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d >Anyone know why? No, obviously the time bits are all zero. From: Jon Keates >Just recently upgraded to OvationPro 2.50 and I have come across a couple of >Printing Problems I had not noticed before : The real interest is if these problems are new to 2.50... >But when I use Turbo Driver 4.07 : >The Styles Document has two errors in printing : >The forth line from the bottom >"Text can be skewed backwards or forwards as required" >The "or" is skewed backwards and "forwards" is upright. This seems to be the same as was discussed here last week. >Trying to print any JPEG image results in a total lockup - reset needed - See the mail list archives for last August, this is a CC problem, but one which you can get around. >On the Font Menus the short cuts for Italic give varying results depending >upon which font family is selected : >There are normal/regular versions of Italic available ? Only apparant to your superior intelligence to the program. From:(Richard Watkinson) >I am fairly certain this topic has appeared before but it has only become >relevant to me today. Last year I produced a set of 32 reports - each on a >separate page - with a standard master page. I now need the same setup but >find it impossible to delete ANY pages permanently. I'd assume that the extra pages are being created by a text story in an autolinked chain. If so the solution is to make that text shorter. Put the caret into it and start deleting stuff. From: Tony van der Hoff >OK, so it looks like we're not going to get widows and orphans for a >while yet. However, would it be possible to provide a 'keep together' >style attribute, such that a paragraph/selection so marked would be >forced on to a new page if it would otherwise get broken up. I don't think that would be any simpler to do. From:(Richard Watkinson) >I know it works but how can I run a test without actually printing the reports. >In other words how can I preview? Yes, how about the new buttons on the mail merge window 'First', 'Next' etc. Thats exactly what they are there for. Only in 2.48 and later of course. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From jack@snave.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:01 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69323 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:35:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897765322:10:24217:1; Sat, 13 Jun 98 19:15:22 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115959; 13 Jun 98 19:15 GMT Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykvlX-0002Yu-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:15:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 20:12:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4855b2554bjack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing Labels In-Reply-To: <19980611.024145.43@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 11 Jun, Barry Allen wrote: > Sorry if this is a FAQ. > I have a plain text file of 800 addresses which I wish to print out on > address labels (A4 3 by 7). > In Impression Publisher I set up a master page with label boxes which > flowed from one box to the next. When I dropped the plain text file on > the first box of the document all the pages that were needed were > created. I could then print all the labels out. > I've tried to do the same in Ovation P but setting up the flow from > one box to another seems to prevent me dropping text into the frame. > Is there a way to do it? Well I think the following is fairly simple and not all that different from IP. 1. Set up a master page that mimics your label sheet, like the layout of Example1 in the OP Mailmerge dir (but without the mailmerge entries). 2. Using the link tool, link the frames in sequence eg top left, top middle, top right, next line left, middle etc down to the end frame and then link that back to the first one. 3. Close master page window. 4. Set up the names and addresses in Edit or other text editor, or OP, with a CR at the end of each line but no extra CR separating each address. Save as a text file (in the case of OP via Menu - File - Save story). If you already have the names and addresses in a CRV file it's not difficult using Search and Replace to convert it to the above format. 5. Drag the textfile to the first of the linked frames in the labels layout OP doc which will load the names and addresses in one continuous stream. 6. Go through each label starting at the first frame, and after the final character at the end of each address do a Ctrl-P to produce one address per label. 7. Do any necessary tidying up, editing Style via Modify format, perhaps setting left indent to 3mm. Once this has been set up it's a simple matter to keep the list uptodate and you have greater control (IMHO) over the output than the alternative of using MailMerge. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk From jack@snave.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:03 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69324 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897765324:10:24229:1; Sat, 13 Jun 98 19:15:24 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115914; 13 Jun 98 19:14 GMT Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykvlS-0002Yu-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:14:58 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:49:45 +0100 Message-ID: <485594c55ejack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980613.020905.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > On 12 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > > For this he said would need to get hold of a copy of OPro for his > > programmer. I suggested he should get in contact with David P but I have > > no idea whether he has done so. I don't know whether he reads this > > maillist, but you and anyone else interested might like to chivvy him > > (DH). > Thanks Jack, much obliged for your and others comment so far. > I spoke to David Humphries earlier in the week, as I also checked with > David Pilling before this matter was floated. david was not unaware that > there have been problems with Calligraph printers and their use with OvPro > and other software. Usually it is possible to get it sorted but nailing > the bad bytes is the key. > I hope that any other Calligraph users might make contact and knowledge > gained be pooled as a result. Yes, indeed - that is what newsgroups are all about. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk From jack@snave.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69325 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897765326:10:24249:0; Sat, 13 Jun 98 19:15:26 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024139; 13 Jun 98 19:15 GMT Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykvlW-0002Yu-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:15:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:19:48 +0100 Message-ID: <4855a8007cjack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Calligraph Printers Content-Type: text/plain Re the problem raised by Bob Charlton in 'Printer probs v2.50' thread and David P's kind offer to let David Humphreys have a copy of OP, I have passed on the gist of the exchange to DH and suggested he subscribes to this mailing list and reports on progress. It would be nice to see some action. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk From keithp@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69328 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897775761:10:27456:21; Sat, 13 Jun 98 22:09:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027367; 13 Jun 98 22:09 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.181) [193.130.250.181] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykyTu-0000Fd-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:09:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Parker) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:37:11 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : aa Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 12 Jun 98 (02:30:30 +0100), magnox@zetnet.co.uk wrote: > It also crashed a few times at the show, embarrasing in front of the > public I was demoing OvPro to. Any problems with FontDirPro? On > importing some fonts Ov crashes, taking Font Directory with it. > Probably just my machine. Usually is. It won't be FontDirPro ;-) It could be a dodgy font - I have known FDPro go down with some 'funny' fonts. Try repairing the font :-) Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69332 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897762952:20:13865:1; Sat, 13 Jun 98 18:35:52 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013762; 13 Jun 98 18:35 GMT Received: from (193.130.244.59) [193.130.244.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ykv9E-0004qV-00; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:35:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 19:36:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4855af0889df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 In-Reply-To: <19980613.163006.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: > A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my > homepage > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ > It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now works > perfect (at least I hope so...) > Bye, > Dominik Somebody is fibbing... just been there, Only version 1.00 available. Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.09 From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69342 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897783394:20:21269:1; Sun, 14 Jun 98 00:16:34 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107848; 14 Jun 98 0:16 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yl0TE-0006Cz-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:16:29 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:28:40 GMT Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 18:28:22 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Millennium Issue? Message-ID: <3cc9a85548%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d Anyone know why? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 24 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From c.puttock@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69344 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897785394:20:01976:0; Sun, 14 Jun 98 00:49:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122240; 14 Jun 98 0:49 GMT Received: from (193.130.247.131) [193.130.247.131] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yl0yw-0001v8-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:49:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( Jonathan Puttock) Reply-To: c.puttock@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 00:13:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Thu 11 Jun 98 (02:42:07 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk (quoting Ian Barr) wrote: > >>1. Click on the OP icon on the icon bar to open a new document. >>2. Add 2 new pages by pressing 'CTRL P' twice. Document now has 3 >pages! > >Just as it should have. > > >>On my computer I now have 4 pages with a frame overflow on page 1 but >also > >Me too. This is bad news, obviously a bug, and a bad one too. I'm a bit >surprised because there has been trouble with this kind of thing and I >had >fixed it (maybe with double sided docs). I will fix this asap. > I have had problems with this bug, but did not find a way to reproduce it. However, I think I found a work-around. If it happens: a) Put the cursor on the page with theapparent overflow; b) Use the down-arrow to move the cursor into the overflowed region (or, if necessary, press return a few times to get the cursor there); c) Press backspace-delete until the cursor reappears. With any luch the overflow disappears, and the frame links correct themselves. However, it may take a few tries. I don't know whether this approach is reliable, but it worked for me. Regards, Jonathan Puttock -- Jonathan Puttock c.puttock@argonet.co.uk From bric@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:44 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69346 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897808339:20:05239:0; Sun, 14 Jun 98 07:12:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112414; 14 Jun 98 7:12 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.1) [193.130.246.1] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yl6xK-0003uT-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:11:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 17:15:40 +0100 Message-ID: <4855a2214bbric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980613.150601.49@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: [large snip] > Not sure atm if the OvPro modules should be talking to the > !Boot.Resources directory or the !Boot.Resources.!System directory > both seen to have copies of CCShared. When the new Boot application > was rewriting the files where would it want CCShared etc. to be? There was a recent thread on this, in c.s.a.apps IIRC. The new Boot doesn't do anything with !CCShared, you have to move it manually. The consensus was that it should now be in !Boot.Resources, not !System as previously, but there seems to be some variation depending on whether you are using IStyle or IPub. I use the latter, and now have !CCShared in Resources but it seems to work equally well for me in !System. The modules in my !CCShared.RMStore directory are: AManager, AWRender, CCSquash, ColourExt, DitherExt, FontDraw, GDraw, ImageExtnd, ImageUtils, SpriteExt. I don't use Turbodrivers but I do use Artworks. I cannot say anything about how this affects your particular problem though, if at all :-(( Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From dominik.wagner@t-online.de Mon Jun 15 22:36:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69351 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897820693:20:11054:0; Sun, 14 Jun 98 10:38:13 GMT Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.150]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2010934; 14 Jun 98 10:37 GMT Received: from fwd00.btx.dtag.de (fwd00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.160]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0ylA9M-0005bg-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:36:36 +0200 Received: from 000488668221080712250#0002.t-online.de (080712250-0002(btxid)@[193.159.110.37]) by fwd00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:36:15 +0200 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:20:55 +0200 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980613.163006.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60j X-Sender: 080712250-0002@t-online.de From:(Dominik Wagner) In message <19980613.163006.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >=20 > A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my > homepage >=20 > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ >=20 > It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now work= s > perfect (at least I hope so...) >=20 > Bye, > Dominik Sorry, due problems with my provider this will take a while :-( But if anyone likes to have it real fast, i can send it to him as an email attachment. Bye, Dominik -- mailto:Dominik.Wagner@t-online.de ------------------- Acorn Nutzer, DTV-T=E4nzer, (C-)Programmierer, Zivi, Brettspiele, Sportwart TC Inn-Casino (http://www.tanzen.wasserburg.de) e.V. Homepage unter: http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ *-*---*-------*---------------*---------------*-------*---*-* Wie wird das wetter? - CAPSLOCK - Hae? - Ja, es Shift-ohne-Ende!!!! From ovationpro@hallas.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:36:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69352 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:36:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897837817:10:18669:1; Sun, 14 Jun 98 15:23:37 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018611; 14 Jun 98 15:23 GMT Received: from (hallas.demon.co.uk) [158.152.118.28] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylEcv-0000Ei-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:23:27 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:19:34 +0100 From: Richard Hallas To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Message-ID: <94d4205648%OvationPro@hallas.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980613.162958.91@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk X-Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.61a In message <19980613.162958.91@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'm trying to find out if TurboDrivers the NEW rebuilt Boot and the > Calligraph software actually can live together. Well, I've got a heavily customised Boot (including the new window manager, of course), Calligraph printer, plus copies of Printers with ArcFax, Primera AND BJC-600 TurboDriver installed. All fine; no real problems. > I seem to be the only one trying to use both the Calligraph A4-1200 > and the BJC600 via TurboDrivers - though naturally not at the same > time and not online together... though in theory if the software was > right _and if_ I've got all the bits in the right place... it dam > well ought to. Well, I can't honestly say that I make much use of my BJC-600 these days... but it worked fine with Ovation Pro last time I tried it, I'm sure. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:37:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69361 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:37:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897843383:20:26415:2; Sun, 14 Jun 98 16:56:23 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106629; 14 Jun 98 16:56 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylG4m-0004dI-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:56:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:29:21 GMT Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:29:13 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various (increasing wimpslot) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980613.020920.81@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980613.020920.81@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >I have been having some /HUGE/ problems with two very complex AW files. Each > >file is about 14Mb and has lots of text converted to paths, blends and > >linear/radial fills, curly swirly twirdly bits etc (they are bank note > >designs). > >I was getting loads of type=5 errors, type=3 errors, lock ups, slow downs, > >crashes and printing to a PS file was impossible. As my deadline loomed I > >resorted to desperation and increased OPro's wimpslot to 2048k (I don't know > >how advisable this is), > > > Increasing the wimp slot can't do any harm. As you've found it can do some > good. Although in 99% of the cases where things go wrong, it won't make a > scrap of difference. I would guess complex graphics == a requirement for a > lot of memory. However I'd quite like to see this because the above > description and explanation doesn't quite add up. Slight snag is that I only > have a 13Mb RPC... Well I guessed any problem would be with the AW renderer rather than with OPro which is why increasing the wimpslot was my last desperate resort. The only items on the page were originally, four bank notes, two different designs duplicated, 16 short lines with colour set to reg black (crop marks), another very simple AW graphic with just coloured squares (colour bar), and another simple AW file which is basically my name tel no and address in "text-converted-to-path" (my imprint which is included on virtually everything I send to film). The bank note graphics had no bit images in them or any elements unique to Martin W's extensions. After curing the crashes, hang-ups and errors detailed above by increasing the wimpslot I had trouble printing to a file: Printing a single separation to its own file (it had to be done this way for reasons I don't want to go into) hung up the machine. I left it for three and a half hours*, so I'm fairly certain it was hung up. * I left it for 3.5 hours because a test print of one sep of one half-designed bank note took 30 mins to print to a file. Also the drive my scrap file is on and to which the PS file was being saved has no activity light and I can't hear it operating most of the time, so long periods of complete silence and drive inactivity is normal for my machine. I set up the document again with only two bank notes on the page, printing one sep took 1hr 5mins, thats almost 4.5 hours to make the 4 PS files! They are at the bureau now so I don't even know if they have worked! What should I send to you so you can investigate? I eventually cleaned some bits and pieces out of the AW files that were not actually being used in the design. The file sizes are about 10Mb now, and compress to 5Mb. I'll email one to you if you think it would be useful, and you don't mind collecting such an enormous email. I have remembered something else... OPro behaved a lot better when AW wasn't loaded at the same time, and even better after a hard reset and OPro was the only thing in memory. Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:37:24 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69366 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:37:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897845802:20:13131:0; Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:36:42 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2013099; 14 Jun 98 17:36 GMT Received: from (infotech.demon.co.uk) [158.152.71.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylFpP-0003h9-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:40:23 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:39:27 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980613.163006.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 13 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: > > A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my > homepage > > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ > > It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now works > perfect (at least I hope so...) I downloaded it, but it says version 1.00 Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 From jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:37:33 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69370 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:37:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897846210:20:16003:3; Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:43:30 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015898; 14 Jun 98 17:43 GMT Received: from (tarazen.demon.co.uk) [193.237.156.226] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylGo3-0006gw-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:43:04 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tarazen.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:14:58 GMT Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:40:10 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Message-ID: <9935285648%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980613.162958.91@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Just recently upgraded to OvationPro 2.50 and I have come across a couple of Printing Problems I had not noticed before : When I use the Acorn Printers 1.53 with HP LJ5 : The Styles Document that came with OP prints OK, as shown on screen. Any JPEG image prints OK from OP and Draw. But when I use Turbo Driver 4.07 : The Styles Document has two errors in printing : The forth line from the bottom "Text can be skewed backwards or forwards as required" The "or" is skewed backwards and "forwards" is upright. The third line from the bottom "Chatacters can be rotated FORWARDS or BACKWARDS" The "or" is rotated forwards and drops down the page and the "BACKWARDS" is not rotated at all but drops down the page at about 1/3 of the texts point size per character. Trying to print any JPEG image results in a total lockup - reset needed - But the Hourglass returns to the pointer, the Print DB Action Button stays depressed and the progress display is still on screen. WIMP Polls are still ocurring about every 10 seconds but pressing escape and clicking cancel have no effect what so ever. The same JPEG image will print from Draw without any problems ? -- Jon Keates From jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:37:40 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69371 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:37:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897846210:20:16015:0; Sun, 14 Jun 98 17:43:30 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015886; 14 Jun 98 17:43 GMT Received: from (tarazen.demon.co.uk) [193.237.156.226] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylGo0-0006gn-00; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:43:01 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tarazen.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:45:08 GMT Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:44:54 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Italics Message-ID: X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m On the Font Menus the short cuts for Italic give varying results depending upon which font family is selected : Monotype 20Century (I) is shown as ExtraBold.Italic Monotype Cantoria (I) is shown as ExtraBold.Italic Monotype Gillsans (I) is shown as Italic Monotype Plantin (I) is shown as Expert.Bold.Italic There are normal/regular versions of Italic available ? -- Jon Keates From s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk Mon Jun 15 22:38:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69375 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:38:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897907105:10:22930:0; Mon, 15 Jun 98 10:38:25 GMT Received: from neptune.bton.ac.uk ([194.83.112.11]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022838; 15 Jun 98 10:38 GMT Received: from useless.it.bton.ac.uk by neptune with SMTP (MMTA); Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:37:20 +0100 Received: from swe.brighton.ac.uk by useless.it.bton.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25111; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:37:22 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:27:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Ellacott Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980613.020905.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: X-Organization: University of Brighton X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/PLAIN; CHARSET="US-ASCII" On Sat 13 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > > I hope that any other Calligraph users might make contact and knowledge > gained be pooled as a result. > I use a Calligraph A4-1200 extensively whith OvPro. I've had a few of the problems others have been reporting, but nothing too serious. I find that it is best to keep the printer turned offoff normally, particularly when starting OvPro, and turn it on shortly before I wish to p occaisionally, so I always save major docs before printing (but then doesn't everyone?). One way to clear any problems short of a complete system crash is to load the Acorn driver and then reload the Calligraph driver. This seems to force the Calligraph driver to reinitialise istelf. Steve -- Steve Ellacott, School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences, University of Brighton, Moulsecoomb, BN2 4GJ, UK Tel: Home (01273) 885845 Office: (01273) 642544 or 642414 Fax: Home (01273) 270183 Office: (01273) 642405 WWW: http://www.it.brighton.ac.uk/staff/swe From julian@southern.co.nz Mon Jun 15 22:38:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69379 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:38:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897863001:20:11287:2; Sun, 14 Jun 98 22:23:21 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011167; 14 Jun 98 22:23 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (pppd017.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.17]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA29639 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:21:45 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Mon,15 Jun 1998.10:26:54 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:24:25 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Reg details on startup (Was Re: Various) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980613.020920.81@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c In message <19980613.020920.81@pilling.demon.co.uk> david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > From: Mike Hunter > > >During the OvPro startup sequence the task running is called FrontEnd. > >This stops before the main OvationPro task runs. Both those tasks must > > When you double click on OPro a shell program starts up. This does the > copy protection checks - but it is a task, if you're quick and click > on the window which appears at first you can pause the loading process > and examing the registration info. Anyway after a couple of seconds > this shell task quits and then copies the main program over itself and > runs it. Is this mentioned somewhere? I don't recall seeing it, and it'd be really handy to have known when upgrading OvPro. It always asks me for boring new reg info and I can never remember some of the more boring details it wants. Accordingly they keep changing :P -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:38:32 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69381 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:38:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897867613:20:11195:0; Sun, 14 Jun 98 23:40:13 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011179; 14 Jun 98 23:40 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.77) [193.130.251.77] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylMNe-0002LM-00; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 00:40:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 14 Jun 98 21:56:11 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & 1.54 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 13 Jun 98 (15:05:56 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On 13 Jun, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > > [large snip] > I advocated actually measuring the non-printable margins and then > setting up these values in a custom paper size on /both/ drivers. This > may of course result in the margins being increased (as you say) or > /decreased/: the point is that the grey margins shown in OvnPro (or > any other application) now show the real printable area of the paper > /on that printer/. As I put forward the original problem I will try to make it clearer. I have a RiscPC with printers 1.54 and, 200 miles away, an A440/1 running 1.53. Both have identical paper sizes set up originally for the RiscPC using the method described above (or very similar). The printer is a DJ 560C, which commutes. I agree that Opro is not likely to be the culprit bur the fact is that on my RiscPC setup I lose stuff which is quite happily printed on the A440/1 so it would appear that !Printers 1.54 can't print to the same amount of an A4 page as 1.53. One further point, which may or may not be of relevance, the document causing the problem was printed in landscape. Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From ianhunter@guernsey.net Mon Jun 15 22:38:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69385 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:38:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897902732:20:26254:0; Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:25:32 GMT Received: from post.guernsey.net ([195.226.128.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2025953; 15 Jun 98 9:25 GMT Received: from ianhunter.guernsey.net ([195.226.129.205]) by post.guernsey.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA28621 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:27:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:25:18 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Hunter Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980613.163006.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Sat 13 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: > > A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my > homepage > > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ > > It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now works > perfect (at least I hope so...) Assistance required. I have downloaded the above applet, and it has arrived in the form of a text file (I remembered something about shift+clicking). How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in simple language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. Thanks. -- Ian Hunter, Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey, Channel Islands From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 15 22:39:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69395 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 15 Jun 98 22:38:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897944570:20:07622:7; Mon, 15 Jun 98 21:02:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2007343; 15 Jun 98 21:02 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.71) [193.130.251.71] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylgNx-0002aP-00; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:01:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 21:59:37 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Deleting pages Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I am fairly certain this topic has appeared before but it has only become relevant to me today. Last year I produced a set of 32 reports - each on a separate page - with a standard master page. I now need the same setup but find it impossible to delete ANY pages permanently. I have tried all sorts of devious methods but the pages still come back. I thought this devious method would work: delete most of the pages, save as DDL then reload but no. The saved file went down from around 450k to 60k but on reloading, the deleted pages came back as soon as I tried to delete the last few pages and the file size indicated that the original pages were still there anyway. Also I noticed that the more pages I deleted the bigger the file became. I have found a way round this problem BUT not a solution and I have copies of all my files if that will help in solving it. Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Tue Jun 16 02:46:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69436 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 16 Jun 98 02:46:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897960623:10:15978:0; Tue, 16 Jun 98 01:30:23 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1015971; 16 Jun 98 1:30 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA11732 for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:23:56 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA12152; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 22:08:29 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:14:06 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Message-ID: <48569EAC52%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980613.162958.91@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980613.162958.91@pilling.demon.co.uk> charlton@argonet.co.uk (Bob Charlton) wrote: > a global *close doesn't work over the serial printer port buffers. It only works on the current filing system, but *Devices:Close may help. > or "their is something rotten in the state of Denmark" W Shakespear? Who he? ;-) Chris From martinv@ucs.de Tue Jun 16 18:02:29 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69496 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 16 Jun 98 18:02:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898013298:20:14325:9; Tue, 16 Jun 98 16:08:18 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2014132; 16 Jun 98 16:07 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA06287 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:07:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199806161607.SAA06287@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 16 Jun 1998 07:59:09 GMT Subject: Re: Impression not skewing etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >>drivers we tested did not do this. Oh, and Impression would not have >>done this too (giggle)! > >..because Impression can't skew text? Well, yes, Impression does not skew or even rotate text. It just took me funny that Imp. would not let us wreak havoc with the LD- and Turbo drivers. Kind of It's not a bug it's a, erm the bug, uhm the feature is a bug, I mean... Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 16 18:35:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69506 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 16 Jun 98 18:35:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for OvationP-L@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898016981:20:21465:3; Tue, 16 Jun 98 17:09:41 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2021358; 16 Jun 98 17:09 GMT Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ylzEc-0002xo-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:09:27 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:55:54 +0100 To: Ovation Maillist From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Keep Together? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 OK, so it looks like we're not going to get widows and orphans for a while yet. However, would it be possible to provide a 'keep together' style attribute, such that a paragraph/selection so marked would be forced on to a new page if it would otherwise get broken up. Yes, there's the problem of what to do when such a style exceeds a page length, and it has to be split. I can't think of a way of doing this as an applet. -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 16 20:41:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69533 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 16 Jun 98 20:41:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898021445:20:03204:21; Tue, 16 Jun 98 18:24:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2003186; 16 Jun 98 18:23 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.33) [193.130.251.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ym0Oi-0003rE-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 19:23:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Jun 98 19:20:07 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Mail Merge Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I have just set up a mail merge document to print batches of about 30 reports. I know it works but how can I run a test without actually printing the reports. In other words how can I preview? I've not found a way from !Opro as yet and I tried *Configure print 0 to set a printer sink, I even tried *fx 5 0. None of these seem to work. Background printing enables a few copies to be seen but that soon clogs up. All offers greatfully recieved Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 16 21:44:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69536 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 16 Jun 98 21:44:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898026757:20:15671:8; Tue, 16 Jun 98 19:52:37 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015679; 16 Jun 98 19:52 GMT Received: from (bifrost.demon.co.uk) [158.152.251.209] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ym1l5-000198-00; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:51:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:14:41 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Message-ID: <48573E073E%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980613.020858.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l In message <19980613.020858.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> ovationpro@hallas.demon.co.uk (Richard Hallas) wrote: > I use a Calligraph A3-1200, and have done lots of printing from > Ovation Pro without any real problems. > > There are two things that you need to know, really: > > 1. There is a problem with printing Draw files which contain text, > particularly if they're rotated - the text will often vanish. I've had the reverse problem - only text will print, with the graphics vanishing! It seems to be a !Printers problem, since it happens with OvPro, Impression and Artworks. Printing any Artworks or Draw file at magnification (around 400%+ definitely causes problems, lower magnifications do as well, though I can't remember the lower limit). I found all this out using !Printers 1.54, on BJ230 (no Turbodrivers). Has anyone else seen and solved this problem? -- Be seeing you, Sam. From rayd@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:15 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69666 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898074174:10:26807:5; Wed, 17 Jun 98 09:02:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1026797; 17 Jun 98 9:02 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.245.187] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymE7H-0007iN-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:02:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:59:46 +0100 Message-ID: <48578990f3rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Millennium Issue? In-Reply-To: <19980616.222317.41@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jun, Alan Muscat wrote: > The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d > Anyone know why? Millennium bug early? Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From rayd@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69669 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898082864:10:07912:6; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:27:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1123545; 17 Jun 98 11:27 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.245.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymFlv-0001Ha-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:48:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:09:12 +0100 Message-ID: <48578fec5frayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Various (Print previewing) In-Reply-To: <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > >I know it works but how can I run a test without actually printing the > reports. > >In other words how can I preview? > Yes, how about the new buttons on the mail merge window 'First', 'Next' > etc. Thats exactly what they are there for. Only in 2.48 and later of > course. I usually print to ArcFax and view it on screen. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From rayd@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69671 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898082875:10:08052:0; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:27:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1123545; 17 Jun 98 11:27 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.245.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymFlt-0001Ha-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:48:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:05:07 +0100 Message-ID: <48578f8cb1rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing Labels In-Reply-To: <19980616.222243.36@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > 6. Go through each label starting at the first frame, and after the > final character at the end of each address do a Ctrl-P to produce one > address per label. Just hit Enter on the right of the number pad - it does the same as Ctrl-P but is one handed and quicker. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From 4qd@4qd.co.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69673 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898083165:10:10728:4; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:32:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128659; 17 Jun 98 11:32 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.231) [193.130.245.231] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymGS4-0001pZ-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:32:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(4qd) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Cc: cal@ar.telme.com Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:09:17 +0100 X-Organization: qd, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-printable Message-Id: On Tue 16 Jun 98 (22:24:20 +0100), s.w.ellacott@brighton.ac.uk wrote: > I use a Calligraph A4-1200 extensively whith OvPro. I've had a > few of the problems others have been reporting, but nothing too > serious. I find that it is best to keep the printer turned > offoff normally, particularly when starting OvPro, and turn it > on shortly before I wish to p occaisionally, so I always save > major docs before printing (but then doesn't everyone?). One way > to clear any problems short of a complete system crash is to > load the Acorn driver and then reload the Calligraph driver. > This seems to force the Calligraph driver to reinitialise > istelf. Sory - this is a bit long for an essentially off-topic posting, but some th= ings need to be said... The Calligraph software is in two parts: the engine and the front-end. The engine itself is brilliant and seems to have few problems and a lot of = facilities. The front-end is a dog. It uses some system of event recognition to work ou= t what the engine has sent to the print stream and, it seems (probably on c= ertain computers only) the events get missed erratically. Reloading the printer driver reloads the front end only and it then interro= gates the queue again, so (usually) starts working. You don't need to load = !Printers first. I have !Keystroke set up sp Ctrl.Print reloads Calligraph = driver. We have to reload our front end VERY regularly. Once every few pages someti= mes. I have also had the front end get confused on a double sided pamphlet run a= nd forget that it was meant to be collating pages. Piles of scrap paper! Also - if you close the file it is printing, or re-load it with this file o= pen, it throws a complete tantrum. I've had this happen sometimes=A0when I'= ve aborted a print run forcibly. The control window is very non-responsive: there are plenty if occasions=A0= it cannot accept a new instruction, but it is often impossible to tell if i= t has accepted a change or not as the icons change as if accepting informat= ion. Icons are not properly greyed out when unavailable and it is possible = to change the control panel without having an immediate effect on the print= run. This is very confusing. Sometimes we are extremely tempted (as have been several others) to throw o= ut the Calligraph and buy a reliable printer. Thing is, on a good day, it w= orks well and can do a good job. Output quality is excellent. David Humphries has been informed and he has been invited to visit (we're o= nly 10 miles from him). I'm sure we can demonstrate faults for him! I have just employed a new clerical assistant and I am very wary of letting= her lose on the printer: it needs careful watching and if I have to pay he= r to watch it (while its meant to be background printing) it's soon going t= o become uneconomical. So at present: if you are thinking of buying a Calligraph - DON'T. But it c= ould be good - if they would write the front end to work properly. I'm cc'ing this to DH. -- /| 4 Q D / | 4qd@4qd.co.uk / | http://www.4QD.co.uk / | | / /| | We manufacture / / | | MOSFET controllers for battery operated motors /_/__| |____ /_____ ____\ Site also contains FAQ sheet on motors & controllers / _ \| | _ \ and a selection of interesting circuit diagrams | | | | | | | | | |_| | | |_| | 4QD are proud to use British technology: \__\_\ |____/ Acorn StrongARM RISC-PC 32 bit computer. From c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:34 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69676 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898074193:20:29901:2; Wed, 17 Jun 98 09:03:13 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.151.253]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106731; 17 Jun 98 9:03 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:02:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:04:35 +0100 Message-ID: <48578a01a0C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 In-Reply-To: <19980613.163006.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 13 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: > A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my > homepage > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ > It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now works > perfect (at least I hope so...) > Bye, > Dominik The app is now on the alternative OVPro resources site http://www1.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS From charlton@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69678 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898076394:20:19019:18; Wed, 17 Jun 98 09:39:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2112238; 17 Jun 98 9:39 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.117) [193.130.246.117] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymEgv-0000Oo-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:39:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 10:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: <48578ba045charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Calligraph Printers In-Reply-To: <19980616.222256.79@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > Re the problem raised by Bob Charlton in 'Printer probs v2.50' thread and > David P's kind offer to let David Humphreys have a copy of OP, I have > passed on the gist of the exchange to DH and suggested he subscribes to > this mailing list and reports on progress. I spoke to David Humphreys yesterday and outlined the problems. He now has a copy of Ovation Pro and is upgrading it to the current latest version. I warned him that I had suffered a *broken directory* when attempting to load and print a JPG file. It was somewhere in the scrapfile $.!Boot.Resources.Scrapdirs.Scrapdir This was extremely annoying to say the least and totally unexpected. With the kind help of Bernard Veasey we have poured over each others Module versions and system accoutrements both finding some variations in software in different areas. Of course no two systems are exactly alike unless they are straight out of the box. Sometimes not even then! We now both get SPRITES and DRAW files printed, and I think Draw files exported from !ArtWorks - well I do... TBH I don't get the text yet in Draw files, but Fontfix ought to remedy that I am told, however no owner I have spoken to with a Calligraph Printer can get JPG files to work without transforming them into one of the aforementioned items. They appear to load but won't print and after the broken directory I am not about to try them again until someone proves they have a working solution. At least I have not had any more 'type=5 aborts' since making sure that the latest modules were available to the program. This appeared to be the answer to parts one, two and three... I've also managed to print up my double sided Landscape page of data, so reporting some progress there also. > It would be nice to see some action. I think you will Jack - David Humphreys as always I have found, was both concerned and interested in the problem... admits however he'll probably have to find out more about how OVPro handles/translates/renders the JPG file. Hope this helps, case of watch this space I think. -- Bob Charlton From tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 17 14:05:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69679 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:05:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898081628:20:29465:6; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:07:08 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029413; 17 Jun 98 11:06 GMT Received: from (dell486.mk-net.demon.co.uk) [194.222.12.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymG2q-0007ls-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 11:06:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:48:20 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Tony van der Hoff Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (16) Version 3.05 In message <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >From: Tony van der Hoff > >>OK, so it looks like we're not going to get widows and orphans for a >>while yet. However, would it be possible to provide a 'keep together' >>style attribute, such that a paragraph/selection so marked would be >>forced on to a new page if it would otherwise get broken up. > >I don't think that would be any simpler to do. > Presumably that means "No". Ah, well, I'll just have to continue to use those horrible page breaks :-( -- Tony van der Hoff | Mailto:tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | ---------------------------------------------------------------- From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 14:06:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69682 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:06:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898082768:20:11735:0; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:26:08 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2011672; 17 Jun 98 11:26 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-96.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.96]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11646 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:25:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:44 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Millennium Issue? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980616.222317.41@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 16 Jun, Alan Muscat wrote: > The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d > > Anyone know why? > At least it's 4-digit date - those turn of the century programmers obviously were right on the ball. How did you discover this oddity? Is this a millenium bug check to look at the date stamps of every file? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 14:06:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69683 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:06:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898082772:20:11750:5; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:26:12 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2115766; 17 Jun 98 11:26 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-96.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.96]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11654 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:26:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:20:09 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980616.222338.30@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 16 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: > Sorry, due problems with my provider this will take a while :-( > > But if anyone likes to have it real fast, i can send it to him as an > email attachment. This looks very useful, thanks Dominik. Two queries: 1 Why is the default string 'top'? 2 I can't make the tab box do anything. I have left the left alignment button ticked and entered all sorts of numbers in the position box but the distance between the bullet/number just stays the same. Regards Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Wed Jun 17 14:06:19 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69684 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:06:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898083612:20:19657:1; Wed, 17 Jun 98 11:40:12 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2129417; 17 Jun 98 11:40 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-96.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.96]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15883 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:40:06 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:40:12 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980616.222441.29@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 16 Jun, Ian Hunter wrote: > > Assistance required. I have downloaded the above applet, and it has > arrived in the form of a text file (I remembered something about > shift+clicking). > > How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in > simple language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. > It seems to be a packdDir and shift-clicking didnt have much effect on the file type downloaded. You need to change the file type to 'archive' (or 'packdDir') and then use !Sparkplug or !SparkFS. The first time I did this it said the file was not an archive so I downloaded it again and it worked. With !Sparkplug on the icon bar, you should be able to double click on the archive icon and then just drag the applet into your applets directory inside !OPro. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 17 15:29:25 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69699 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 15:29:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898091065:10:25493:8; Wed, 17 Jun 98 13:44:25 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025193; 17 Jun 98 13:43 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymIVA-00065k-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:43:49 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 14:12:26 GMT Message-Id: <69688@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Bob Charlton >concerned and interested in the problem... admits however he'll probably >have to find out more about how OVPro handles/translates/renders the JPG >file. OPro does not handle JPEG's using magic. RISC OS 3.60 and later support the direct rendering of JPEG's, using standard RISC OS swi calls. OPro and much other software (e.g. Draw) use these. The printer driver just has to support them. As has been discussed CC's drivers do support them, but you have to enable prescan passes whilst printing for things to work. >This can be done by setting printchoices2() argument 0, bit 3. >i.e. change >printchoices2(17,0,0,0); >in AutoRun.!Choices to >printchoices2(8+17,0,0,0); So if Caligraph claim to support JPEG's this is the first thing you should try. From: Alf Chamings >> How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in >> simple language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. >It seems to be a packdDir and shift-clicking didnt have much effect on the >file type downloaded. You need to change the file type to 'archive' (or >'packdDir') and then use !Sparkplug or !SparkFS. The first time I did this it Err not quite. If you have the PackdDir module loaded in SparkFS, then just drag and drop to the icon bar icon and it will do everything for you. SparkPlug on the other hand does not handle PackdDir files, so you'll have to use Mr. Kortinks program. The thing you should not do is set type things to archive and then pass them to SparkFS, because if you've got the type wrong e.g. the file is uucode it won't go through the automatic (uu etc.) decoding steps. From:(Richard Watkinson) >Oh dear I've done it again and I think, quite rightly, detect a slight degree >of irritation in your reply. I hope not. I wonder if anyone was there on the day at one Acorn show, when an (ex) Beebug employee grabbed an honourable customer and pushing his face into a manual exclaimed "what does it say there!". David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 17 19:51:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69723 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 19:51:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898109276:10:25076:0; Wed, 17 Jun 98 18:47:56 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121915; 17 Jun 98 18:47 GMT Received: from (infotech.demon.co.uk) [158.152.71.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymNFP-0002c4-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 18:47:52 +0000 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:07:47 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980616.222441.29@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 16 Jun, Ian Hunter wrote: > On Sat 13 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: > > > > A new, now bugfree version of my !BulletFix Applet can be found on my > > homepage > > > > http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ > > > > It's v1.05 - selecting has been made easier and remove bullets now works > > perfect (at least I hope so...) > > > > Assistance required. I have downloaded the above applet, and it has arrived > in the form of a text file (I remembered something about shift+clicking). > > How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in simple > language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. > > Thanks. You need to change the type from text to PackdDir. You also need to have a copy of J. Kortink's !PackDir form his website: http://web.inter.NL.net/users/J.Kortink/ After downloading PackDir, I think you need to save the filetype as Absolute and then double-click as it is a self-extracting archive. Check on his homepage for details. Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 17 21:36:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69739 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 21:36:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898113749:10:02942:4; Wed, 17 Jun 98 20:02:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100573; 17 Jun 98 20:02 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.213) [193.130.250.213] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymOPV-0002qT-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:02:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Jun 98 19:44:59 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: > Yes, how about the new buttons on the mail merge window 'First', 'Next' > etc. Thats exactly what they are there for. Oh dear I've done it again and I think, quite rightly, detect a slight degree of irritation in your reply. All the same many thanks, I don't think I'd have ever realised how simple it was. By the way the mail merge has done a brilliant job on producing my reports and saved several hours work. Another feather in Opro's cap and that of its programmer. Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From charlton@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 17 21:36:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69740 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 17 Jun 98 21:36:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898114467:10:08966:0; Wed, 17 Jun 98 20:14:27 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008883; 17 Jun 98 20:14 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.81) [193.130.246.81] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymOau-00035n-00; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:14:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:37:46 +0100 Message-ID: <4857c3fa3fcharlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980616.222331.36@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 16 Jun, Brian Carroll wrote: > The modules in my !CCShared.RMStore directory are: > AManager, AWRender, CCSquash, ColourExt, DitherExt, FontDraw, > GDraw, ImageExtnd, ImageUtils, SpriteExt. I don't use Turbodrivers > but I do use Artworks. [snipped much other helpful comment.] The key areas I think crashing and producing the type=5 errors were the Modules ; Spritextend was v0.61 now is v1.04 Colours was v1.57 now is v1.65 IrqUtils was v0.14 now is v2.52 MsgTrans was v0.23 now is v0.31 Wimpman * was v1.92 still v1.92 * This module seems to have been replaced by software under another genre in the new Boot - either that or it was OK and is still chugging out the bits and bytes. OvPro stabilised but not with JPG files as mentioned earlier caused major calamity requiring complete rebuild of primary IDE HardDisc after 'broken Directory' was generated in !Scrap directory sequence. Now repaired. Hope this data may be of some help. rgds., -- Bob Charlton From delavoix@club-internet.fr Thu Jun 18 13:58:01 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69827 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 13:58:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898163269:20:09325:4; Thu, 18 Jun 98 09:47:49 GMT Received: from front4.grolier.fr ([194.158.96.53]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127217; 18 Jun 98 9:47 GMT Received: from delavoix (limoges3-26.club-internet.fr [194.158.126.26]) by front4.grolier.fr (8.9.0/MGC-980407-Frontal-No_Relay) with SMTP id LAA11304 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:45:28 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 01:05:48 +0100 From: Jacques Delavoix To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Strange... Message-ID: <2a84dc5748%delavoix@delavoix.club-internet.fr> Organization: Acorn Risc Pc, Risc OS 3.7 X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g Hello, I have very recently purchased Ovation Pro, which is really Marvellous, but, very surprisingly, somes functionnalities are missing : - It's impossible to save Document Window Coordinates/Depht (normaly in general Choices). - I have not discover how to export in RTF file format, and "TransRTF", in import, is very limited. - There is a little bug when redrawing after select/deselect Bloc. With regards, Jacques. -- Jacques Delavoix New French Acorn Risc PC User Acorn Risc PC, StrongARM 233 Mhz, Risc OS 3.7 36+2 Mo RAM, 1.2 Go HD, Smile 15" Monitor. From charlton@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 18 13:58:03 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69828 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 13:58:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898164827:20:23770:31; Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:13:47 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023843; 18 Jun 98 10:13 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.103) [193.130.246.103] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymbgz-0005NN-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:13:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:37:59 +0100 Message-ID: <485805ea51charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Printer Problems - Calligraph In-Reply-To: <19980618.023838.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 18 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > OPro does not handle JPEG's using magic. RISC OS 3.60 and later support > the direct rendering of JPEG's, using standard RISC OS swi calls. OPro > and much other software (e.g. Draw) use these. The printer driver just > has to support them. > As has been discussed CC's drivers do support them, but you have to > enable prescan passes whilst printing for things to work. > >This can be done by setting printchoices2() argument 0, bit 3. i.e. > >change printchoices2(17,0,0,0); in AutoRun.!Choices to > >printchoices2(8+17,0,0,0); > So if Caligraph claim to support JPEG's this is the first thing you > should try. Thanks David I have substituted the line exactly as you decribed but instead of the value (17,0,0,0) my version said (49,0,0,0) and I hadn't touched it... As I said before I'm not a programmer. Was this data therefore not previously correctly stated? Or does 49,0,0,0 and 17,0,0,0 mean exactly the same thing? Puzzled?%-O Bob -- Bob Charlton From dominik.wagner@t-online.de Thu Jun 18 13:58:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69829 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 13:58:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898169685:20:10073:5; Thu, 18 Jun 98 11:34:45 GMT Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.149]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111183; 18 Jun 98 11:34 GMT Received: from fwd12.btx.dtag.de (fwd12.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.172]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0ymcuE-00075W-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:31:02 +0200 Received: from 000488668221080712250#0002.t-online.de (080712250-0002(btxid)@[193.158.170.209]) by fwd12.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:30:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:16:56 +0200 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various BulletFix - Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 Message-ID: <82f9e5848%Dominik@000488668221080712250#0002.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <19980618.023823.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60j X-Sender: 080712250-0002@t-online.de From:(Dominik Wagner) In message <19980618.023823.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> Alf wrote: > On Tue 16 Jun, Dominik Wagner wrote: >=20 > > Sorry, due problems with my provider this will take a while :-( > >=20 > > But if anyone likes to have it real fast, i can send it to him as an > > email attachment. > This looks very useful, thanks Dominik.=20 > =20 > Two queries: =09 > =20 > 1 Why is the default string 'top'? It's a German abbrevation for TagesOrdnungs Punkt. > 2 I can't make the tab box do anything. I have left the left alignment= > button ticked and entered all sorts of numbers in the position box but = the > distance between the bullet/number just stays the same. There are two indents shown in the Tab-Ruler. Just move the one with the = lower triangle on the desired Position! >I downloaded it, but it says version 1.00 > >Ros Maybe it's cached on a proxy server, try reloading the page first. >Assistance required. I have downloaded the above applet, and it has arr= ived >in the form of a text file (I remembered something about shift+clicking)= .. > >How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in si= mple >language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. > >Thanks. > >-- Ian Hunter, >Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey, Channel Islands Just move it to !PackDir. Has to work! Maybe I change the file into ZIP format sometime... Bye, Dominik -- mailto:Dominik.Wagner@t-online.de ------------------- Acorn Nutzer, DTV-T=E4nzer, (C-)Programmierer, Zivi, Brettspiele, Sportwart TC Inn-Casino (http://www.tanzen.wasserburg.de) e.V. Homepage unter: http://www.arcsite.de/hp/dragon/ *-*---*-------*---------------*---------------*-------*---*-* - Always look on the Arcsite of your life - http://www.arcsite.de/ From secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au Thu Jun 18 14:49:35 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69839 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:49:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898140010:10:19525:1; Thu, 18 Jun 98 03:20:10 GMT Received: from gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au ([129.96.250.33]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1019363; 18 Jun 98 3:19 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SM Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980618125056.0092b280@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:50:56 +0900 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Bulletfix saga ):-( (:-) In-Reply-To: <19980618.023838.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" So far... >>> How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in >>'packdDir') and then use !Sparkplug or !SparkFS. The first time I did this it >Err not quite. If you have the PackdDir module loaded in SparkFS, then >just drag and drop to the icon bar icon and it will do everything for you. I tried a couple of times (Netscape on a PC) but the file I get from Dominik's site (4955 bytes) gave error messages with with both packdir enabled !SparkFS (immediatly) and with !PackDIr (it presents the !BulletFix icon but saves only three garbage filled files). http://www1.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html (as cut and pasted from Chris's posting) gives a no DNS entry error message. Fixed that up from my bookmarks and got buletfix.zip (4961 bytes) which !PackDIr declares to be a bad archive : missing signature. SparkFS accepted this version but the resultant !BulletFix dir has and empty file and one with a strange topbit set name. When it is put into OPro's applets directory I get a new error message when clicking it on or off -- '...already exists', presumably because ofthe length of the directory name. Changed applet name to !BullFix (no pun intneded) and it works other than the already mentioned fact the altering the value in the Tabs position field has no effect. BTW, brilliant that the 'Bulletin List' window persists, on top, after clearing the 'You have to sellect some paragraphs first!' error box, and selecting some paragraphs. Well done Dominik. Curious though, what's the zero byte !ARUn file for, and what is file '2<[&A7]De![&A8]'? cpc From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 18 14:49:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69841 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898152755:10:11436:0; Thu, 18 Jun 98 06:52:35 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011428; 18 Jun 98 6:52 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymYYg-0002wy-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:52:32 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 19:23:49 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:20:48 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <4c6cc25748%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > From: Alan Muscat > > >The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 > >!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d > >Anyone know why? > > No, obviously the time bits are all zero. > Sorry, David, I don't know what that means. Have I got a problem with my computer? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 24 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 18 14:49:47 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69844 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898159399:10:06205:0; Thu, 18 Jun 98 08:43:19 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1118370; 18 Jun 98 8:43 GMT Received: from (barc.demon.co.uk) [194.222.19.11] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymaHg-0006Vv-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:43:05 +0000 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:11:21 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Printer probs. v2.50 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980618.023900.37@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Thu 18 Jun, Bob Charlton wrote: > On 16 Jun, Brian Carroll wrote: [Snip Module Details > * This module seems to have been replaced by software under another genre > in the new Boot - either that or it was OK and is still chugging out the > bits and bytes. > > OvPro stabilised but not with JPG files as mentioned earlier caused major > calamity requiring complete rebuild of primary IDE HardDisc after 'broken > Directory' was generated in !Scrap directory sequence. Now repaired. > Hope this data may be of some help. I had a similar JPEG major disaster with the same Broken Directory problem. I repaired the Directory with with Oregan's Disk 'Doctor' but then found that when I did a *Checkmap I had a rather more major error "Map inconsistent with Directory Trace". To cure this I had to clear off the disk and re-format. Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 14:50:00 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69848 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:49:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898163030:10:11066:5; Thu, 18 Jun 98 09:43:50 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1120515; 18 Jun 98 9:43 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:43:43 BST Message-Id: <527.9806180943@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:43:43 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 18 02:55:38 1998 > From:(Alf Chamings) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:38:30 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:40:12 +0100 (BST) > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 1178 > > On Tue 16 Jun, Ian Hunter wrote: > > > > > Assistance required. I have downloaded the above applet, and it has > > arrived in the form of a text file (I remembered something about > > shift+clicking). > > > > How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in > > simple language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. > > > It seems to be a packdDir and shift-clicking didnt have much effect on the > file type downloaded. You need to change the file type to 'archive' (or > 'packdDir') and then use !Sparkplug or !SparkFS. The first time I did this it > said the file was not an archive so I downloaded it again and it worked. With > !Sparkplug on the icon bar, you should be able to double click on the archive > icon and then just drag the applet into your applets directory inside !OPro. > > Alf > -- Is there a quick way to find out a file type. Goung through the desktop menue I find how to change a fie tye but nothing to tell what the current type is. John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 14:50:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69849 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:50:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898163446:10:14823:3; Thu, 18 Jun 98 09:50:46 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014797; 18 Jun 98 9:50 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:50:41 BST Message-Id: <584.9806180950@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:50:41 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: !BulletFix v1.05 - 13.06.98 Thanks for the !BulletFix Applet. However, I can not seem to uncompress it. I tried spark, etc but no effect. What file type should it be etc John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From munnekot@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 18 14:50:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69850 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:50:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898164554:10:25680:39; Thu, 18 Jun 98 10:09:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116174; 18 Jun 98 10:08 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.46) [193.130.251.46] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymbcn-0005Jv-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:08:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Thomas K. Munn) Reply-To: munnekot@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 03:51:05 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Millennium Issue? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Tue 16 Jun 98 (22:23:17 +0100), Muscat wrote: "The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 " "!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d " "Anyone know why? " " "a Anything to do with the computer's real time clock? K. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk From richard.vardy@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 18 14:50:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69855 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898170199:10:15824:2; Thu, 18 Jun 98 11:43:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1121662; 18 Jun 98 11:42 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.107) [193.130.245.107] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymd5d-0006SL-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:42:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard S.Vardy) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:23:42 +0100 X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Deleting pages Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: The more pages you delete the more are stored in the undo/redo buffer. Automatic page insertion is caused by overflow from linked frames. The solution is to find the page that links to these blank pages and delete any returns you may have put at the end. Hope this helps. -- -- fraser.kemp.mp Member of Parliament for Houghton & Washington East. Tyne & Wear, United Kingdom. Telephone +44 (0)191 385 7825 Fax +44 (0)191 385 4785 From jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 18 14:50:51 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69857 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898170865:10:21665:0; Thu, 18 Jun 98 11:54:25 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1021440; 18 Jun 98 11:53 GMT Received: from (tarazen.demon.co.uk) [193.237.156.226] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymdGP-0000PU-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:53:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by tarazen.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 16:36:49 GMT Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:36:27 +0100 From: Jon Keates To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <5860b35748%jonkeates@tarazen.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: ? X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980616.222238.34@pilling.demon.co.uk> david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > From: Jon Keates > > >Just recently upgraded to OvationPro 2.50 and I have come across a couple of > >Printing Problems I had not noticed before : > > The real interest is if these problems are new to 2.50... > No .. just tried 2.48 it's the same. > > >On the Font Menus the short cuts for Italic give varying results depending > >upon which font family is selected : > >There are normal/regular versions of Italic available ? > > Only apparant to your superior intelligence to the program. > That makes a change - it's usually me who ends up confused. -- Jon Keates From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Thu Jun 18 14:50:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69859 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 14:50:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898173861:10:17942:2; Thu, 18 Jun 98 12:44:21 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017895; 18 Jun 98 12:44 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14624 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:34:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:30:07 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980618.023838.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Thu 18 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > > From: Alf Chamings > > >> How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in > >> simple language - I am not to bright when it cones to programming things. > >It seems to be a packdDir and shift-clicking didnt have much effect on the > > file type downloaded. You need to change the file type to 'archive' (or > > 'packdDir') and then use !Sparkplug or !SparkFS. The first time I did > > this it > > > Err not quite. If you have the PackdDir module loaded in SparkFS, then > just drag and drop to the icon bar icon and it will do everything for you. > SparkPlug on the other hand does not handle PackdDir files, so you'll > have to use Mr. Kortinks program. > > The thing you should not do is set type things to archive and then pass > them to SparkFS, because if you've got the type wrong e.g. the file is uuco > Oh dear. I am sorry if I misled anyone. I just tried everything and that was what seemed to work. It must have been SparkFS after all. I was sure the file type 'archive' worked. Probably SparkFS was not fooled by my ham fisted tinkering. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From pwaud@aol.com Thu Jun 18 19:12:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69895 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 19:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898185493:20:19082:5; Thu, 18 Jun 98 15:58:13 GMT Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.69]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019063; 18 Jun 98 15:58 GMT Received: from PWaud@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IWKRa03745 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <6ecb5015.35893912@aol.com> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:58:08 EDT To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: HTML converter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Just thought you all might like to know you can get a OvationPro DDL file to HTML converter from:- http://www.cowgate.demon.co.uk/mit/ Its an early version but its a good start! Keep up the good work Dave, P Waud From je.cm.price@everymans.com Thu Jun 18 20:30:51 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69917 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 20:30:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898195780:20:22695:2; Thu, 18 Jun 98 18:49:40 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105609; 18 Jun 98 18:49 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.66) [193.130.245.66] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymjkW-00061Q-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:49:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John & Chris (Argonet)) Reply-To: ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Jun 98 (19:41:16 +0100) X-Organization: Everymans, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 13 Jun 98 (02:09:20 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk composed: > >David, you should use Strong Ed: it's got one of the nicest user > interfaces > >I've met. Window scrolling is far better than OPro and it's very nice > to use. > > Better in what sense? I can understand faster because it doesn't (by > default) use outline fonts - cf the scrolling speed in Hearsay to see I > can > do that, but I don't think you want a DTP program with fixed pitch > fonts. > No, the main bit of StrongEd's scroll bar (ie the darker grey part) acts as if it is set to 'Auto repeat' rather than the standard riscos 'Click' this comes in very handy for big documents. -- EVERYMANS WINE, 100 Frankwell, Shrewsbury, Tel:(01743) 36 24 66 Fax:(01743) 231 248 info@everymans.com http://www.everymans.com/ ----------------------------- Acorn@Heart From charlton@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 18 22:02:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69922 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 18 Jun 98 22:02:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898199597:10:13229:0; Thu, 18 Jun 98 19:53:17 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1013206; 18 Jun 98 19:53 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.193) [193.130.245.193] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymkkC-0007GJ-00; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:43:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4858484f88charlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printer Problems - Calligraph In-Reply-To: <485805ea51charlton@argonet.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wrote: somewhat puzzled... to David Pilling > Thanks David I have substituted the line exactly as you decribed but > instead of the value (17,0,0,0) my version said (49,0,0,0) and I hadn't > touched it... > As I said before I'm not a programmer. > Was this data therefore not previously correctly stated? > Or does 49,0,0,0 and 17,0,0,0 mean exactly the same thing? Addendum : With the modification (8+17,0,0,0) to the file !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices line printchoices2 number data as suggested. I am pleased to report that the BJC600 has now=A0sucessfully printed a sample JPG file. The Calligraph A4-1200 on the other hand has printed everything BUT the JPG. Clearly this is not the answer to that problem. Trying it once more... OvationPro immediately reported a Type=3D3 error and abscoded yet again from the Icon Bar. Whilst this is better than contributing to a 'Broken Directory'... So it veritably is a step forward... alas not yet the solution to the Calligraph being able to print JPG files in OvationPro v2.50. For an update of information I will also pass this result on to David Humphries at Calligraph. cheers, -- Bob Charlton From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 19 01:48:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA69979 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 01:48:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898217099:10:28426:0; Fri, 19 Jun 98 00:44:59 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028199; 19 Jun 98 0:44 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ympHr-0001sC-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 00:44:15 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 01:35:36 GMT Message-Id: <69975@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Jacques Delavoix >- It's impossible to save Document Window Coordinates/Depht (normaly in > general Choices). Normally as in which other applications? Seriously you have to edit the main templates file to change this. >- I have not discover how to export in RTF file format, and "TransRTF", in >import, is very limited. As I've said we do apparently have an RTF exporter which will appear later this year. As to RTF loading being limited. To some extent this is going to be the refrain about any loader. Sensible suggestions would be interesting. IMHO it could perhaps handle images. From: Bob Charlton >> So if Caligraph claim to support JPEG's this is the first thing you >> should try. The key point is do Caligraph claim to support JPEG's? Does JPEG printing work from Draw? >instead of the value (17,0,0,0) my version said (49,0,0,0) and I hadn't >touched it... Like this 17 is 16+1 49 is 32+16+1 "setting bit 3" means the number must have an 8 in it. So in your case enter 49+8 (note for experts: I wish I'd used orring instead of addition) >The Calligraph A4-1200 on the other hand has printed everything BUT the >JPG. As I said, do Calligraph actually support JPEG printing? From: Alan Muscat >> No, obviously the time bits are all zero. >Sorry, David, I don't know what that means. >Have I got a problem with my computer? No you don't have a problem. 5 bytes are used to store time values. The time is based on 1/1/1900. So if those bytes are all zero thats the time you see. If something goes wrong, then files tend to end up with all zeros and this magic date. From:(John & Chris (Argonet)) >No, the main bit of StrongEd's scroll bar (ie the darker grey part) acts as if >it is set to 'Auto repeat' rather than the standard riscos 'Click' this comes >in very handy for big documents. Interesting... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From charlton@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 19 13:47:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70040 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 13:47:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898241962:10:08532:0; Fri, 19 Jun 98 07:39:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008490; 19 Jun 98 7:39 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.80) [193.130.246.80] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymvlT-0007Uv-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:39:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Bob Charlton To: Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:20:23 +0100 Message-ID: <48588823afcharlton@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Printer Problems - Calligraph In-Reply-To: <19980619.015908.21@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 19 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > Like this > 17 is 16+1 > 49 is 32+16+1 > "setting bit 3" means the number must have an 8 in it. > So in your case enter 49+8 > (note for experts: I wish I'd used orring instead of addition) I probably would have asked the same question? > >The Calligraph A4-1200 on the other hand has printed everything BUT the > >JPG. > As I said, do Calligraph actually support JPEG printing? Personally I've not been able to print a JPG loaded into Draw. Indeed until the module upgrades I was getting repetative crashes from Calligraph /Ovation Pro combination... so it was impossible to determine what would print or what was going down. First I had to be able to get something... Anything... to print rather than sustaining 'Type=5' crashes or Broken Directories being created. I see from a recent letter I was not alone in the latter. Its a tricky situation to be in. Others have stated they cannot get Draw files saved from Artworks to print via Draw... but I have... there is a deal of confusion in the camp. Perhaps understandably, because there have been a number of Software tweaks but you tend to get them only when something falls over and you ask for assistance. Thanks David. I'll talk again with David Humphries and get back when I have anything salient. I'm sure with each step proved we will succeed. Every scrap of info helps determine the answer. rgds., -- Bob Charlton From jack@snave.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 19 13:47:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70043 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 13:47:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898256127:10:14838:0; Fri, 19 Jun 98 11:35:27 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014757; 19 Jun 98 11:35 GMT Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ymzRr-0006cC-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 11:35:16 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:19:40 +0100 Message-ID: <48584627e3jack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing Labels In-Reply-To: <19980618.023739.25@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 18 Jun, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 16 Jun, Jack Evans wrote: > > 6. Go through each label starting at the first frame, and after the > > final character at the end of each address do a Ctrl-P to produce one > > address per label. > Just hit Enter on the right of the number pad - it does the same as Ctrl-P > but is one handed and quicker. Indeed it is. Thanks for the tip. -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk From c.a.johnson@hw.ac.uk Fri Jun 19 13:47:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70048 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 13:47:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898247173:20:19480:5; Fri, 19 Jun 98 09:06:13 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.151.253]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120131; 19 Jun 98 9:06 GMT Received: from isambard.che.hw.ac.uk by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:06:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Chris Johnson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 10:08:20 +0100 Message-ID: <48589205d5C.A.Johnson@isambard.che.hw.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Bulletfix saga ):-( (:-) In-Reply-To: <19980619.015739.29@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 19 Jun, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > So far... > >>> How do I go about transforming it from text into a applet. Please in > >>'packdDir') and then use !Sparkplug or !SparkFS. The first time I did > this it > >Err not quite. If you have the PackdDir module loaded in SparkFS, then > >just drag and drop to the icon bar icon and it will do everything for you. > I tried a couple of times (Netscape on a PC) but the file I get from > Dominik's site (4955 bytes) gave error messages with with both packdir > enabled !SparkFS (immediatly) and with !PackDIr (it presents the > !BulletFix icon but saves only three garbage filled files). > http://www1.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html (as cut and pasted from Chris's > posting) gives a no DNS entry error message. Sorry about that guys, it should be http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/applets.html > Fixed that up from my bookmarks and got buletfix.zip (4961 bytes) which > !PackDIr declares to be a bad archive : missing signature. It is now a standard zip file, and not a PackDir. > SparkFS accepted this version but the resultant !BulletFix dir has and > empty file and one with a strange topbit set name. I have downloaded the archive and it works ok here with SparkFS. I cannot see the "topbit" filename. The file !ARun is empty, but I believe it has to be present whether used or not. > When it is put into OPro's applets directory I get a new error message > when clicking it on or off -- '...already exists', presumably because > ofthe length of the directory name. I have now changed the applet name to !bulletfx in the archive. > Changed applet name to !BullFix (no pun intneded) and it works other than > the already mentioned fact the altering the value in the Tabs position > field has no effect. > BTW, brilliant that the 'Bulletin List' window persists, on top, after > clearing the 'You have to sellect some paragraphs first!' error box, and > selecting some paragraphs. Well done Dominik. Curious though, what's the > zero byte !ARUn file for, and what is file '2<[&A7]De![&A8]'? Hope it is ok now Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 19 17:29:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70077 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 17:28:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898265411:20:11174:0; Fri, 19 Jun 98 14:10:11 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125804; 19 Jun 98 14:10 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yn1rj-0003je-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:10:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 14:01:19 GMT Message-Id: <70059@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Maillist news... X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. This would be using the majordomo software. For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. The downside might be an openess to spam (intentional or not), and a lack of moderation. If anyone has comments about netlink, or majordomo, with respect to mail lists, let me know... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 19 20:49:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70095 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 20:49:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898280483:20:08862:3; Fri, 19 Jun 98 18:21:23 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008758; 19 Jun 98 18:21 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yn5md-00071e-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 18:21:08 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:19:15 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Millennium Issue? In-Reply-To: <19980619.015816.31@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a In message <19980619.015816.31@pilling.demon.co.uk>, "Thomas K. Munn" writes >On Tue 16 Jun 98 (22:23:17 +0100), Muscat wrote: >"The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 >" >"!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d >" >"Anyone know why? >" >" >"a > >Anything to do with the computer's real time clock? >K. Well if I type *time at the command line I get the correct date and time. I think David has probably explained the issue, though it is the first time I have come across this. -- Alan Muscat From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 19 21:18:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70105 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 19 Jun 98 21:18:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898285844:10:11019:2; Fri, 19 Jun 98 19:50:44 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010760; 19 Jun 98 19:50 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yn7Ai-0005vU-00; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 19:50:04 +0000 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 98 18:20:28 GMT Message-Id: <70088@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Bob Charlton >Personally I've not been able to print a JPG loaded into Draw. Indeed Draw is definitive. If JPEG's work from it, they should work from other programs. And... if they don't work from it, they're unlikely to work from anything else. All you have to do is boot the machine, drop a JPEG into Draw and print. From: Chris Johnson >The file !ARun is empty, but I believe it has to be present whether used or >not. Yes, most applets should have a zero length !ARun file in them. It is used to indicate the object is an applet and its !Run file should not be executed when loaded, rather the !ARun file should be. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From allan@awoods.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 14:19:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70165 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:19:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898336053:10:24317:0; Sat, 20 Jun 98 09:47:33 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024304; 20 Jun 98 9:47 GMT Received: from (awoods.demon.co.uk) [158.152.202.190] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynKF6-0006tJ-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:47:29 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:41:46 +0100 (BST) From: Allan Woods Subject: Re: Drawing lines To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L cc: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980618.023838.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Occasionally, when drawing lines, one of the lines cannot be selected to be adjusted or be erased! Normally everything works al one, I cannot get rid of a line. Very frustrating. Anyone help??? -- Allan Woods, Greenock From a.esplen@btinternet.com Sat Jun 20 14:20:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70171 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:20:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898339828:10:12795:8; Sat, 20 Jun 98 10:50:28 GMT Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.82]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012786; 20 Jun 98 10:50 GMT Received: from riscpc700.house.net [195.171.232.5] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0ynLCE-0001GR-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:48:35 +0100 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:39:21 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Subject: Re: Maillist news... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980620.023029.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-URL: none X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 20 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. > This would be using the majordomo software. > > For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list > would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. > > The downside might be an openess to spam (intentional or not), and a > lack of moderation. > > If anyone has comments about netlink, or majordomo, with respect to > mail lists, let me know... > > > David Pilling David, I belong to another mailing list using majordomo and in the last six months have had only the occasional piece of span. The mail list is unmoderated and on the whole works very well . I would support you in this change. -- Alan Esplen Great Waltham, Essex, England. Check out Anne & Alans Home Page and Meccano page http://www.btinternet.com/~a.esplen email: a.esplen@btinternet.com From ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 14:20:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70173 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:20:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898343284:10:00635:0; Sat, 20 Jun 98 11:48:04 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000474; 20 Jun 98 11:47 GMT Received: from (barc.demon.co.uk) [194.222.19.11] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynM7B-0003te-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:47:25 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 10:28:32 +0100 (BST) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Maillist news... To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk In-Reply-To: <19980620.023029.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 20 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. > This would be using the majordomo software. > > For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list > would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Anything which would save David's time must be Welcome > The downside might be an openess to spam (intentional or not), I would be prepared to put up with this. > and a lack of moderation. I can not comment on this as I am not sure how many junk postings David has to moderate out at the moment. > -- > email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG From alan@gvine.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 14:20:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70174 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:20:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898347202:10:20635:2; Sat, 20 Jun 98 12:53:22 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113891; 20 Jun 98 12:53 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynN8x-0005EQ-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:53:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:03:12 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Alan Muscat Subject: Re: Maillist news... In-Reply-To: <19980620.023029.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 3.03a In message <19980620.023029.74@pilling.demon.co.uk>, David Pilling writes > >I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. >This would be using the majordomo software. > >For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list >would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. > >The downside might be an openess to spam (intentional or not), and a >lack of moderation. > >If anyone has comments about netlink, or majordomo, with respect to >mail lists, let me know... > I've found the amount of spam on majordomo to be low. I don't think there is a great need for moderation among users of this list. Anything that frees up your time for developing OPro can only be a good thing. -- Alan Muscat From jake@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 20 15:19:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70198 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 15:19:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898352066:20:15295:12; Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:14:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106377; 20 Jun 98 14:14 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.174) [193.130.245.174] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynOPM-0004zb-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 15:14:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Keith Goodier) Reply-To: jake@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:48:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Maillist news... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 20 Jun 98 (02:30:29 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. >This would be using the majordomo software. ----snip---- >If anyone has comments about netlink, or majordomo, with respect to >mail lists, let me know... Stewart Brodie used Majordomo to give news of software updates while developing Arcweb. I don't recall any problems with junk mail arising. The traffic was only oneway though, not interactive as the OPro list is. -- |/ |\eith jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. From neill@narrator.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 15:19:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70199 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 15:19:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898350612:10:08377:1; Sat, 20 Jun 98 13:50:12 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117849; 20 Jun 98 13:49 GMT Received: from (narrator.demon.co.uk) [158.152.60.112] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynO1d-0000Yp-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:49:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:18:45 GMT Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 09:18:21 +0100 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printing without text Message-ID: <4e48115948%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980619.015746.77@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60j I am trying to create a report proforma that can be used to type in pupils reports. What I thought of doing was creating a master page with headings for the convenience of people typing them in. However, I do not wish to print out the headings, but only the text that is input under them. Is this possible with ovpro? -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 16Mb From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 20 16:46:26 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70200 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 20 Jun 98 16:46:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898352417:10:17995:2; Sat, 20 Jun 98 14:20:17 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018008; 20 Jun 98 14:20 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynOV2-00036D-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 14:20:12 +0000 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 15:18:25 GMT Message-Id: <70196@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Allan Woods >Occasionally, when drawing lines, one of the lines cannot be selected to be >adjusted or be erased! Normally everything works al one, I cannot get rid of >a line. Very frustrating. I'd do the drag box thing, ctrl+shift+select drag gets you a box, and on release anything entirely enclosed is selected. From: Neill McNeill >I am trying to create a report proforma that can be used to type in pupils >reports. What I thought of doing was creating a master page with headings for >the convenience of people typing them in. However, I do not wish to print out >the headings, but only the text that is input under them. This is the idea of a colour which appears on screen but does not print out. One suggestion is to just use a different colour for the headings, and then immediately before printing change its colour definition to transparent. Another idea is to use the colour separations, do your headings in a spot colour and set the colour seps printing info to not print the spot plate. From: Paul Hutton >Is there any way of altering the abbeviation applet so that it does not >necessarily add a space after the word, (even though you have to press the >space bar to activate the word?) In the file Abbrev in side the applet; Change; type("{Deleteb}" * l + s); To; {type("{Deleteb}" * l + s);if(key==' ') key=-1;} >Does anyone know if there is, or is going to be, an applet that can correct >common typo errors? (I am forever typing "porgress" and "advacne"). No reason why someone can't do that. From: Andy Piper >"Sleuth 3 significantly extends the functionality of the highly >acclaimed Sleuth 2, and now becomes a part of the Ovation Suite." Yep I noticed this when I got a copy of Sleuth 3. I don't have a clue why they have done this. Possibly a precursor to renaming the whole company Ovation Ltd. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From munnekot@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 22 22:08:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70230 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:08:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898381646:10:22707:1; Sat, 20 Jun 98 22:27:26 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022702; 20 Jun 98 22:27 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.59) [193.130.251.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynW6T-00041w-00; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 23:27:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Thomas K. Munn) Reply-To: munnekot@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 20 Jun 98 21:30:31 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Maillist news... Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 20 Jun 98 (02:30:29 +0100), David Pilling wrote: "This would be using the majordomo software. " "For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list "would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. "David Pilling "d@ I have no knowledge of a "majordomo" but neither have I any objection to you being able to spend less time on the list. You have my vote. T.K.Munn -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ munnekot@argonet.co.uk From dominik.wagner@t-online.de Mon Jun 22 22:08:54 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70231 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:08:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898419749:10:26742:0; Sun, 21 Jun 98 09:02:29 GMT Received: from mailout03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.151]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111749; 21 Jun 98 9:02 GMT Received: from fwd05.btx.dtag.de (fwd05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.165]) by mailout03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 0ynfzj-00039i-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:01:03 +0200 Received: from 000488668221080712250#0002.t-online.de (080712250-0002(btxid)@[193.159.108.130]) by fwd05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 11:00:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 18:41:27 +0200 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Bulletfix saga ):-( (:-) Message-ID: <8c573f5948%Dominik@000488668221080712250#0002.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <19980620.023022.70@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60j X-Sender: 080712250-0002@t-online.de From:(Dominik Wagner) In message <19980620.023022.70@pilling.demon.co.uk> Chris wrote: > On 19 Jun, Carl Cepurneek wrote: > > When it is put into OPro's applets directory I get a new error messag= e > > when clicking it on or off -- '...already exists', presumably becaus= e > > ofthe length of the directory name. >=20 > I have now changed the applet name to !bulletfx in the archive. > Opps, I never turned it off, therefore I haven't noticed this. :-( I Change it into !BulletFX too. > > Changed applet name to !BullFix (no pun intneded) and it works other = than > > the already mentioned fact the altering the value in the Tabs positio= n > > field has no effect. It's your part to change the Tabs as you like, and the mechanism is by David and has nothing to do with my applet! > > BTW, brilliant that the 'Bulletin List' window persists, on top, afte= r > > clearing the 'You have to sellect some paragraphs first!' error box, = and what is the problem with that? the window simply stays where it was befor= e the error occured. > > selecting some paragraphs. Well done Dominik. Curious though, what's = the > > zero byte !ARUn file for, and what is file '2<[&A7]De![&A8]'?=20 don't ask my what your unpacking software expands... And if you'd had loo= ked at the other Applets you would have seen, that there is an !ARun File in everyone of them, and AFAIK there are all size 0. Bye, Dominik -- mailto:Dominik.Wagner@t-online.de ------------------- Acorn Nutzer, DTV-T=E4nzer, (C-)Programmierer, Zivi, Brettspiele, Sportwart TC Inn-Casino (http://www.tanzen.wasserburg.de) e.V. 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From clive.holland@btinternet.com Mon Jun 22 22:09:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70239 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:09:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898410051:20:22844:1; Sun, 21 Jun 98 06:20:51 GMT Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.82]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128541; 21 Jun 98 6:20 GMT Received: from clive.holland.btinternet.com [195.171.237.61] by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0yndSv-0005GF-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 07:19:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 08:25:30 +0100 (BST) From: Clive Holland Subject: Re: Mail Merge To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980616.222516.21@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 16 Jun, Richard Watkinson wrote: > I have just set up a mail merge document to print batches of about 30 reports. > > I know it works but how can I run a test without actually printing the reports. > In other words how can I preview? I've not found a way from !Opro as yet and I > tried *Configure print 0 to set a printer sink, I even tried *fx 5 0. None > of these seem to work. Background printing enables a few copies to be seen but > that soon clogs up. > If you have ArcFax - print to this with ArcFax icon greyed out and open up the resultant file in the transmit directory. -- Clive clive.holland@btinternet.com From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 22 22:09:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70243 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:09:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898443179:10:00537:1; Sun, 21 Jun 98 15:32:59 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114727; 21 Jun 98 15:32 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ynm6q-0004v6-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 15:32:48 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 08:02:35 GMT Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 09:02:28 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Millennium Issue? Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980618.023816.04@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980618.023816.04@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Tue 16 Jun, Alan Muscat wrote: > > The Following file is date stamped as 01 Jan 1900 > > > > !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.22Icons3d > > > > Anyone know why? > > > At least it's 4-digit date - those turn of the century programmers obviously > were right on the ball. > > How did you discover this oddity? Is this a millenium bug check to look at > the date stamps of every file? I was upgrading to 2.50 and but was wanting to keep some icons I had changed in 2.49 but couldn't remember which I had changed so I was comparing date stamps. Something like that anyway. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 24 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From andy.ling@quantel.com Mon Jun 22 22:09:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70245 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:09:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898507235:10:18784:3; Mon, 22 Jun 98 09:20:35 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1018741; 22 Jun 98 9:20 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08616 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:20:28 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id KAA26513 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:19:17 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <0025662B.0036F933.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:21:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Maillist news... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. >I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. >This would be using the majordomo software. >For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list >would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. >The downside might be an openess to spam (intentional or not), and a >lack of moderation. I have no experience of netlink, but have subscribed to a number of lists over the years which use the majordomo software. I have not had any problem with a lack of moderation. This type of list tends to police itself. The majority of subscribers are there for the benefits and if someone starts acting insensibly they soon get flamed by the mass and if they become a real problem there are ways of excluding people from the list. Spam can be a problem, but has never been a major one. It only seems to happen occasionally on the big well known lists. I cannot imagine the professional spammers targeting the Ovation pro list. The advantages of the majordomo style list must outweigh this. First is the reduced admin work for David (this means more time for his 'real' work). The response from this sort of list is much faster too. Currently we get a single posting of all the messages each day. With the automation majordomo provides replies are broadcast straight away. This may also indirectly mean less work for David as the experienced users of OvPro may answer some of the questions more quickly saving David the trouble. My vote would be to go for it. Andy Ling From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 22 22:10:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70252 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:10:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898466426:20:28393:2; Sun, 21 Jun 98 22:00:26 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2028240; 21 Jun 98 21:59 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yns9R-0002v4-00; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 21:59:54 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 14:39:49 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Abbrev applet To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Dear David et al Is there any way of altering the abbeviation applet so that it does not necessarily add a space after the word, (even though you have to press the space bar to activate the word?) For example: /ag/Ancient Greece[code for backspace] There is a method in my madness... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 22 22:10:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70255 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:10:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898540639:10:18567:5; Mon, 22 Jun 98 18:37:19 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119938; 22 Jun 98 18:37 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoBSl-0001ia-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:37:07 +0000 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 18:15:53 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Typing applet in the offing? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Dear David et al Does anyone know if there is, or is going to be, an applet that can correct common typo errors? (I am forever typing "porgress" and "advacne"). I know that the abbre applet could be a suitable substitute, but it is not quite what I'm after. MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From andyp@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 23 02:16:15 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70310 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 02:16:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898554122:20:27242:7; Mon, 22 Jun 98 22:22:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119719; 22 Jun 98 22:21 GMT Received: from (193.130.244.214) [193.130.244.214] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoEyI-0005KA-00; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:21:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Andy Piper To: OvnPro Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:13:59 +0100 Message-ID: <485a65755bandyp@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Sleuth 3 Content-Type: text/plain X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta I was just browsing through Archive 11.10 on the train this evening and came across this throwaway comment: "Sleuth 3 significantly extends the functionality of the highly acclaimed Sleuth 2, and now becomes a part of the Ovation Suite." Apart from this, however, there is no further mention of Ovation and Sleuth being in any way linked (just a brief summary of Sleuth 3's new features), and I was wondering what the comment is supposed to signify - is Sleuth now being supplied with Ovation? Or would that be "can of worms" time? ;-) Cheers, Andy -- Andy Piper Fareham, Hampshire Acorn Resources and More at *** All views expressed are my own! *** From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Tue Jun 23 14:02:36 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70383 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898588625:20:06798:4; Tue, 23 Jun 98 07:57:05 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006776; 23 Jun 98 7:57 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA16572 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:56:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Typing applet in the offing? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980623.024902.23@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 23 Jun, Paul Hutton wrote: > Dear David et al > > Does anyone know if there is, or is going to be, an applet that can > correct common typo errors? (I am forever typing "porgress" and > "advacne"). > > I know that the abbre applet could be a suitable substitute, but it is not > quite what I'm after. > The abbreviation applet seems perfect for this job to me (saving only that it does nothing for my typing skills). I think it has to be a system of user defined error/correction pairs otherwise the dictionary has to guess whenever it doesn't recognise your typo. They nearly always guess wrongly in my experience. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 23 14:02:36 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70384 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:02:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898593237:10:28418:1; Tue, 23 Jun 98 09:13:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108482; 23 Jun 98 9:13 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoP9F-0003gv-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:13:54 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:13:43 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:03:06 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Drawing lines Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980623.024726.43@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980623.024726.43@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Occasionally, when drawing lines, one of the lines cannot be selected to be adjusted or be erased! Normally everything works > one, I cannot get rid of a line. Very frustrating. > Anyone help??? This usually happens if the line coincides with a guide line and the guide lines are set to "Guidelines to front". Go to Misc>Preferences>View and click on the "to back" button. It's sometimes because the line is very thin, in this case either zoom in by holding down Ctrl and Alt and clicking select repeatedly then try again or hold down Ctrl and Shift and drag a rectangle around the line with the mouse to select it. It's sometimes because the line you want to select is underneath another transparent frame. If when you click on the line another frame is selected send this frame to the back with Object>Back and try again. Kevin -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From andy.ling@quantel.com Tue Jun 23 14:02:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70385 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:02:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898590143:20:18674:14; Tue, 23 Jun 98 08:22:23 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103211; 23 Jun 98 8:22 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10323 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:22:13 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA27161 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:21:00 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <0025662C.00331845.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:22:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Maillist news... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. >I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. >This would be using the majordomo software. >For me it would mean less work, and for you it would mean the list >would run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. >The downside might be an openess to spam (intentional or not), and a >lack of moderation. As an addition to this discussion; coincidentally on another list I subscribe to there has been a discussion about spam. One of the posters contributed the following which may be useful It would seem to be that the best way to stop spam from coming from this group would be to disallow posts from anyone not already subscribed to the list. If this is combined with a two stage subscription (the subscription request results in a confirmation message being sent to the potential subscriber, which they then have to reply to, to complete the subscription) then almost all of the spam would disappear. Some one would have to want to deliberately spam the group then which most people arnt going to bother. I guess to make this tighter you would have to prevent the "list subscribers" option to prevent people from using someone elses address to post the spam. Without or without this it would stop most spam however. It is definately possible to do this with MajorDomo. I hope this helps in making the decision Andy Ling From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 23 14:02:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70387 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:02:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898593238:20:15507:1; Tue, 23 Jun 98 09:13:58 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124771; 23 Jun 98 9:13 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoP9I-0003h4-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:13:57 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:13:49 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:10:32 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Give us a chance Message-ID: <7e91a15a48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d David, I've just noticed you replied to two posts in your Various posting that I also replied to before realising you had already done it. If you left them for a day or two before replying then in many cases some one else would probably do it for you and save you the time and effort. I'm not complaining, of course, I'm just concerned that you're not programming as hard as you should be! :-) Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 23 14:02:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70389 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:02:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898593241:20:15530:0; Tue, 23 Jun 98 09:14:01 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124545; 23 Jun 98 9:13 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoP92-0005Em-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:13:41 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:02:15 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:52:02 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printing without text Message-ID: <8adf9f5a48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980623.024803.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980623.024803.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I am trying to create a report proforma that can be used to type in pupils > reports. What I thought of doing was creating a master page with headings for > the convenience of people typing them in. However, I do not wish to print out > the headings, but only the text that is input under them. > > Is this possible with ovpro? Yes. Put the headings you don't want to print in cyan or magenta and then make sure the text colour in the base style is black. Design your page and then go to the print dialogue and set it to print only the black separation, click on "Set" and save the document. Now when it is printed, assuming no one fiddles with the setting only the black will print and the cyan/magenta notes won't. I use the device to make secret notes on my invoices and letters/faxes. Its a bit embarrassing if they get printed out accidentally though. Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From rayd@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 23 14:03:00 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70392 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:02:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898595997:20:08693:14; Tue, 23 Jun 98 09:59:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008634; 23 Jun 98 9:59 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.246.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoPrY-000492-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:59:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 09:45:18 +0100 Message-ID: <485a9f41b8rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Drawing lines In-Reply-To: <19980623.024726.43@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 23 Jun, Allan Woods wrote: > Occasionally, when drawing lines, one of the lines cannot be selected to > be adjusted or be erased! Normally everything works al one, I cannot get > rid of a line. Very frustrating. Anyone help??? When this happens, hold down Ctrl-Shft and drag round the object to select it. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 23 14:03:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70394 for ovation-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:03:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898606163:20:05282:0; Tue, 23 Jun 98 12:49:23 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005073; 23 Jun 98 12:48 GMT Received: from (blencathra) [194.222.71.242] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoSVI-0000pO-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:48:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:36:05 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Maillist news... Message-ID: <563b45a48%philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980623.024848.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980623.024848.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> andy.ling@quantel.com (andy.ling@quantel.com) wrote: >I have no experience of netlink, but have subscribed to a number of >lists over the years which use the majordomo software. > >I have not had any problem with a lack of moderation. This type of >list tends to police itself. The majority of subscribers are there >for the benefits and if someone starts acting insensibly they soon >get flamed by the mass and if they become a real problem there >are ways of excluding people from the list. > >Spam can be a problem, but has never been a major one. It only >seems to happen occasionally on the big well known lists. I cannot >imagine the professional spammers targeting the Ovation pro list. > The Acornet and Messenger lists both use Majordomo and I've never seen any spam or moderation problem in either. Of course, professional spammers will realise that anyone with the sense to use an Acorn will be far too intelligent to be taken in by their offerings (-: If it makes DP's job easier so much the better. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request From print@levens.co.uk Tue Jun 23 14:41:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70413 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 14:41:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898609251:20:04169:24; Tue, 23 Jun 98 13:40:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2004105; 23 Jun 98 13:40 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.77) [193.130.251.77] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoTJO-0007UD-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:40:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:40:06 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: Typing applet in the offing? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Please follow the link below to find a copy of !Typo. An OvationPro applet to automatically correct typographic errors, such as porgress and advacne. http://www.levens.co.uk/software/ovnpro.htm As with all OvationPro applets, copy the applet into the Applets directory inside OvationPro and re-run OvationPro. Instructions can be found in the help file. Benji -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 From print@levens.co.uk Tue Jun 23 15:57:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70416 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 15:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898609821:20:09647:1; Tue, 23 Jun 98 13:50:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2009632; 23 Jun 98 13:50 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.216) [193.130.250.216] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoTSh-0007c6-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:50:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ingenuity Design and print) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 14:49:06 +0100 X-Organization: Levens, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.18 : ab Subject: Re: HTML converter Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: The OvP2HTML application isn't actually written by Dave Pilling (re pwaud@aol.com, 19th June) it's written by Tim Wiser. For what it is, it works reasonably well. However, it can't handle colours, smallcaps, etc. very well at all. If anybody would care to take a look at http://www.levens.co.uk/software You may just find wind of a Commercial product that may be launched soon that already handles full HSV, RGB, CMYK colour tables, Bold, Italic, Underline, Strikethrough, Text sizes, small caps and is just about to handle Sprites, JPEGS, Drawfiles and Artworks files at a later date. I would appreciate it if anybody who is interested had a look at the page and email me with any comments regarding the price, what goes in, etc. The email for the program is html.applet@levens.co.uk Benji Levens -- _ _| _) | | __ \ _` | _ \ __ \ | | | __| | | print@levens.co.uk | | | | ( | __/ | | | | | | | | | ___|_| |_|\__, |\___|_| |_|\__,_|_|\__|\__, | t: 0500 121 242 |___/ ____/ f: 0500 131 288 From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 23 21:36:45 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70428 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 21:36:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898625647:20:17865:2; Tue, 23 Jun 98 18:14:07 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2017855; 23 Jun 98 18:14 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoXZv-0002aI-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:13:59 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:05:46 GMT Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:55:22 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <219ed15a48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980623.024810.66@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980623.024810.66@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >Does anyone know if there is, or is going to be, an applet that can correct > >common typo errors? (I am forever typing "porgress" and "advacne"). > > No reason why someone can't do that. I thought !THe already did this? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 22 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 23 23:13:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70456 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 23 Jun 98 23:13:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898637317:10:08663:0; Tue, 23 Jun 98 21:28:37 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008476; 23 Jun 98 21:28 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoabn-000488-00; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 21:28:07 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 98 22:22:34 GMT Message-Id: <70453@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: >As an addition to this discussion; coincidentally on another list I >subscribe to there has been a discussion about spam. I meant spam in a general sense. Unsolicted commercial email is unlikely, it has not happened in my time, although it did happen to Ian. More of a problem is people posting binaries, things they didn't intend for distribution, mail robots chucking out "bob is drunk today" messages and so on. Majordomo does provide various levels of moderation, i.e. you can only post if you belong to the list, you can only join if approved etc. Anyway I'll give this idea a go in the near future. Thanks for all the comments. I just wanted to check no one had bad experiences of the proposed new system. From: Alan Muscat >I thought !THe already did this? Sorry if I've misled anyone. I thought it just did auto corrections like typeing THe instead of The. You could lump the supershift applet and even things like the quotes applet into the same category of auto corrections. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From rjet1@cus.cam.ac.uk Wed Jun 24 13:58:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70537 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 13:58:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898654728:10:29711:0; Wed, 24 Jun 98 02:18:48 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1128504; 24 Jun 98 2:18 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.929 #2) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yof8Z-0007RK-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:18:15 +0100 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 03:18:18 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980624.023014.46@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Wed 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > From: Alan Muscat > > >I thought !THe already did this? > > Sorry if I've misled anyone. I thought it just did auto corrections like > typeing THe instead of The. You could lump the supershift applet and even > things like the quotes applet into the same category of auto corrections. The abbreviation applet is really well suited to correcting such mistakes. I use it for that, amongst *many* other things. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) From pwaud@aol.com Wed Jun 24 13:59:02 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70543 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 13:59:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for Ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898681517:20:16271:6; Wed, 24 Jun 98 09:45:17 GMT Received: from imo30.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.74]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2016245; 24 Jun 98 9:45 GMT Received: from PWaud@aol.com by imo30.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IPCHa26167 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:45:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <3a6c922b.3590caa2@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:45:05 EDT To: Ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: HTML converter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 171 Sorry, in my previous mailing I may have implied that David Pilling had written the HTML converter, which is of course incorrect. What I was actually saying was Well done David for his sterling work on the whole Acorn software front.. With regard to the Levens Html Pro converter (see HTML:www.levens.co.uk/software) I am pleased that we may soon see another quality commercial product for the Acorn. I am not sure what price I would pay for this product, it couldn't possibly give me full control over any potential Web site (or could it?) However, It would be another string in Ovations bow, and for that reason I may give it a try. Regards Philip Waud From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 24 18:03:23 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70574 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 18:03:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898700086:20:14444:7; Wed, 24 Jun 98 14:54:46 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127999; 24 Jun 98 14:54 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yoqwI-0003sd-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 14:54:22 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 15:34:51 GMT Message-Id: <70564@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Steve >Hello I recently downloaded the above version, however I need to re >download it, but can't remember where to get it from. Can anyone point me >in the right direction, please. http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html By the way, no unpleasant new bugs have been reported in OPro 2.50 as yet. So you might feel a bit more confident about trying it out. From: Paul Hutton >Must be type at line 92 in .abbrev >I copied the changes to the ascii letter.... Well I just tried them again, and it worked again. I am going to send you a fixed copy by private email. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 24 18:03:25 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70575 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 18:03:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898704395:20:29787:37; Wed, 24 Jun 98 16:06:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029710; 24 Jun 98 16:06 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.36) [193.130.246.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yos3n-0004kF-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:06:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:01:21 +0100 Message-ID: <485b4b03bbsteve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Ovation 2.5 Return-Receipt-To: steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hello I recently downloaded the above version, however I need to re download it, but can't remember where to get it from. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please. Thanks -- _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 24 21:10:24 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70581 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 21:10:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898708302:10:08279:38; Wed, 24 Jun 98 17:11:42 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1008237; 24 Jun 98 17:11 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yot4w-00027y-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 17:11:27 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:08:47 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Abbrev alterations not working To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear David Following your recommendations about altering my abbrev applet (see below) on boot up I now get the following error message: Must be type at line 92 in .abbrev I copied the changes to the ascii letter.... Any ideas? MTIA >Is there any way of altering the abbeviation applet so that it does not >necessarily add a space after the word, (even though you have to press the >space bar to activate the word?) In the file Abbrev in side the applet; Change; type("{Deleteb}" * l + s); To; {type("{Deleteb}" * l + s);if(key==' ') key=-1;} -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From waddell@which.net Wed Jun 24 23:21:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70587 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 23:21:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898721027:10:14717:5; Wed, 24 Jun 98 20:43:47 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014680; 24 Jun 98 20:43 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.63]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAB9007 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:43:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:33:12 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: Drawing lines To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980623.024726.43@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Tue 23 Jun, Allan Woods wrote: > Occasionally, when drawing lines, one of the lines cannot be selected to be adjusted o > r be erased! Normally everything works al > one, I cannot get rid of a line. Very frustrating. > Anyone help??? > -- > Allan What version are you using? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 24 23:21:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70588 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 24 Jun 98 23:21:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898722243:10:23149:10; Wed, 24 Jun 98 21:04:03 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115836; 24 Jun 98 21:03 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yowhe-0004FX-00; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:03:39 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 21:03:07 GMT Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 22:02:59 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Tip Message-ID: <7da1665b48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m Just thought I'd pass on something I discovered this evening, though it's probably been obvious to everyone else before now. While I knew it was possible to use OPro's Thesaurus with other apps, I never thought to combine it with Wordworks. If you place the caret in the editable field of Wordworks and adjust-click on a word in OPro's Thesaurus the word is written into Wordworks and you can now just press enter or 'Lookup' and Wordworks will will present you with the meaning of the word(as long as the word is in it's dictionary, of course). I do wish !Thesausus had a dictionary though as I plan to sell Impression. Do you think it is ok to sell Impression and not Wordworks even though Wordworks came with Impression?? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 22 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From timk@ns.planet.gen.nz Thu Jun 25 14:05:56 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70652 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 14:05:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898745113:10:14350:3; Thu, 25 Jun 98 03:25:13 GMT Received: from brainy.kiwilink.co.nz ([203.98.52.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014094; 25 Jun 98 3:24 GMT Received: from timk.ns.planet.gen.nz (as5200-11.kiwilink.co.nz [203.98.52.71]) by brainy.kiwilink.co.nz (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04428 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:24:43 +1200 (NZST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:36:47 +1200 (GMT) From: Tim King Subject: Font_List code To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: De-Sign, Nth Shore City, New Zealand X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] 2.50 allows font names to be different to font identifiers. Does this solve the problem in expert sets of the effects keypress selecting, say, LondonA.demibold.Italic instead of LondonA.Italic? It would, I'm assuming, reasscribe the (I) suffix in the font list? If it does do that, where does the Messages1 file go? (I tried it in !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Messages1 and it had no effect ;-) tim -- d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 25 14:06:02 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70656 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 14:06:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898757697:10:24891:4; Thu, 25 Jun 98 06:54:57 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113691; 25 Jun 98 6:54 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.229) [193.130.253.229] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yp5vq-0000k5-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:54:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:34:01 +0100 Message-ID: <485b9ae916df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tip In-Reply-To: <19980625.014652.03@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 25 Jun, Alan Muscat wrote: > Just thought I'd pass on something I discovered > this evening, though it's probably been obvious > to everyone else before now. > While I knew it was possible to use OPro's Thesaurus > with other apps, I never thought to combine it with > Wordworks. If you place the caret in the editable > field of Wordworks and adjust-click on a word in > OPro's Thesaurus the word is written into Wordworks > and you can now just press enter or 'Lookup' and Wordworks > will will present you with the meaning of the word(as > long as the word is in it's dictionary, of course). > I do wish !Thesausus had a dictionary though as I plan > to sell Impression. My wish list for Dictionary/ Thesaurus contains a few items, and top of the list is... Global Clipboard... Yes I know I'm always wittering on about the GC, but for those of us who use such things to move stuff between OVPro, Publisher, Pluto, Zap and StrongED etc etc, will probably continue to bemoan the lack of GC in many applications. It would be so useful to use the GC to transfer a word into any dictionary/thesaurus, then transfer the resulting definition or phrase back to the document by the same method. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From ek24@angel2.cityscape.co.uk Thu Jun 25 14:06:08 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70659 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 14:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898765892:20:05179:18; Thu, 25 Jun 98 09:11:32 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005607; 25 Jun 98 9:11 GMT Received: from (ns.cityscape.co.uk) [194.159.0.5] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yp83o-0000iL-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:11:16 +0000 Received: from angel2.cityscape.co.uk.bcs.org.uk (angel2.cityscape.co.uk [194.159.0.17]) by ns.cityscape.co.uk (8.8.6/8.6.4) wi Received: by angel2.cityscape.co.uk.bcs.org.uk (8.8.6/SMI-4.1) id KAA21347; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:12:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:12:58 +0100 (BST) From: "derek.barber" X-Sender: ek24@angel2.cityscape.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Maillist news... In-Reply-To: <19980623.024756.04@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This seems a good idea to me. I suppose we could revert to the present scheme if necessary Derek Barber On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Keith Goodier wrote: > On Sat 20 Jun 98 (02:30:29 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > > >I am thinking of having this mail list hosted by netlink. > >This would be using the majordomo software. > ----snip---- > >If anyone has comments about netlink, or majordomo, with respect to > >mail lists, let me know... > > Stewart Brodie used Majordomo to give news of software updates while > developing Arcweb. I don't recall any problems with junk mail arising. > The traffic was only oneway though, not interactive as the OPro list is. > > > -- > > |/ > |\eith > jake@argonet.co.uk Ormskirk, Lancs. > > > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > From alan.adams@gecm.com Thu Jun 25 14:06:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70660 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 14:06:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898767253:10:08458:22; Thu, 25 Jun 98 09:34:13 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com ([194.128.74.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108429; 25 Jun 98 9:34 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA15081; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:34:00 +0100 Received: from [137.221.7.2] by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA26527; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:39:43 +0100 Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 08:43:27 +0100 (BST) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Headers and Footers To: ovation mailinglist Message-Id: <9127430825061998/A00479/CAUV40/11C6CA2B1B00*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11C6CA2B1B00 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;9127430825061998/A00479/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 Does anyone know what can and cannot be in a footer? I want to put a single line of text with a rule or border above it into the footer. I can draw a rule in the footer space, but it isn't considered part of the footer. (I can tell, because if I select "don't show footer on first page of chapter" the rule shows, although the text doesn't. I have tried putting a frame in the footer, with the text and a top border. None of this is considered part of the footer. Is this impossible, or have I missed something? Alan Adams From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 25 18:16:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70690 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 18:16:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898793189:20:02442:6; Thu, 25 Jun 98 16:46:29 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2114072; 25 Jun 98 16:46 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypFA1-0004cS-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 16:46:10 +0000 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:57:58 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Multiple doc printing To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear David et al It's report writing time again; I have 32 reports to run off, so I use the queue control with Printers 1.54, pause it, drag in 32 files, resume and ..... I get a copy of OPro for every file I want to print. Machine (42MB) eventually loads 10 copies of OPro, sends error messages about not enough memory (although there is still loads left), adn then obscurely throws up an error window which informs me... EME This leads to an app may have gone wrong, internal error, and eventually to a type 5 error. Machine hangs, font reverts to system, Alt Break quite menubar, and Opro.... time to shut down and start again. Is it possible to only load one copy? I know this bug existed in Ovation and Ian McDougall said it was "being looked into", but I though it would have been sorted by now! I also have fastspool+ running invisibly. Please help- the thought of manually going file after file and print/return will send me to an early grave. And my birthday is next week. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 25 19:03:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70693 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 19:03:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898796555:10:11570:6; Thu, 25 Jun 98 17:42:35 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011520; 25 Jun 98 17:42 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypG2N-0001Vz-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:42:19 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 98 18:17:58 GMT Message-Id: <70691@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Tim King >2.50 allows font names to be different to font identifiers. Does this solve >the problem in expert sets of the effects keypress selecting, say, >LondonA.demibold.Italic instead of LondonA.Italic? It would, I'm assuming, >reasscribe the (I) suffix in the font list? No. It just makes renaming fonts or aliasing them easier. >If it does do that, where does the Messages1 file go? (I tried it in >!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Messages1 and it had no effect ;-) Inside !Fonts. Consult the Acorn documentation and be careful because if you get it wrong the machine will crash. BTW did you ever sort out your PS printing problems? From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 >Does anyone know what can and cannot be in a footer? I suspect the idea of something 'being in a footer' is at variance with the way the program works. In the old Ovation frames were nested inside other frames. A bit like grouping. In the new program if you draw something on top of a footer (or any other frame) it has no connection with the footer. What you can do is embed objects in the footer text. So in your case cut a line to the clip board, caret in the footer, embed from the Edit menu. This trick of embedding lines is quite useful. In effect it gets you horizontal rule offs as in Impression. You may find setting the point size of the line you do the embedding in to something small helps. From: Paul Hutton >It's report writing time again; I have 32 reports to run off, so I use the >queue control with Printers 1.54, pause it, drag in 32 files, resume and >I get a copy of OPro for every file I want to print. Machine (42MB) >eventually loads 10 copies of OPro, sends error messages about not enough >memory (although there is still loads left), adn then obscurely throws up an >error window which informs me... This is one of those problems that won't go away. Off hand I don't recall where we left the situation. It should work and there are vast chunks of code dedicated to making it work. Time and effort have been expended on chasing the problem. Anyway I just did some tests, and with OPro 2.50, Printers 1.54, it works. Drag 4 files to the printer driver icon, or into the queue window, and OPro prints them in turn. No extra copies of OPro are loaded. And this works with both variations of printing - background and not. >EME Not enough memory. Probably not enough to load the error messages. >I also have fastspool+ running invisibly. I'd quite like to shift the blame on to this, because you claim it is 'invisible'. Seriously I've never met this program. From: Tom Rank >>Has anyone else had a problem attempting to save directly from ArtWorks=20 >>into an OPro frame, ie without saving the ArtWorks file to disk first?=20 >>Every tine I try this Ovation crashes with the following message: >>"Internal abort. No stack for trap handler. Data Abort > It'll take me some time to check ('cos I don't have AW on this machine), >one obvious idea, is memory/file size an issue? Well I got around to trying this, and it won't crash on my machine. So I guess some sort of special circumstances regarding memory, AW file, or AW version numbers. With AW there is always the threat of loading an old format file into OPro invoking automatic format conversion - consequent use of extra memory. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From michael.launhardt@student.uva.nl Thu Jun 25 20:14:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70724 for ovation-l ; Thu, 25 Jun 98 20:14:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898801082:10:16255:0; Thu, 25 Jun 98 18:58:02 GMT Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl ([146.50.96.20]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016233; 25 Jun 98 18:58 GMT Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (md08-207.mun.compuserve.com [195.232.36.207]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA18912 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:52:46 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:49:04 +0200 (MESZ) From: "M. Launhardt" Subject: Art works Renderer Module To: Ovation Pro mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Each time I start OPro (2.49) I get the error message !OArtWrks applet needs ArtWorks Renderer 1.05 or newer. I upgraded from 2 and never had any trouble at all. Some days ago I started getting error messages - out of the blue it seemed. I checked ArtWorks and found that I haven't got the ArtWorks Renderer module, so Ichecked AWViewer, found one there and copied it worked properly again. After rebooting however the same error message appears and I am not quite shure what to do now. In my OPro manual it says somet be loaded from a directory called CCShared. The thing is, I don't really know wether this directory belongs to ArtWorks or OPro. Any suggestions highly appreciated. Michael _____________________________________________________________ Michael Launhardt, H. Cleyndertweg 21, NL-1025 DE Amsterdam t.:+31-20-6371890, e-mail: Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl _____________________________________________________________ From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 26 22:15:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70733 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:15:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898809558:20:24363:0; Thu, 25 Jun 98 21:19:18 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120936; 25 Jun 98 21:19 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypJQD-0000T5-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:19:10 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:15:45 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Abbrev applet/script To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear all Further to my ruminations about the typing applets, I have got this far: THe applet only seems to convert the second capital into lower case. It will not replace a single upper case letter in the middle of a word. eg BAnanas will become Bananas baNAnas will stay as it is! I have emailed Rupert about this and await his reply. For some reason it does not have a tick next to as-you-type in the applets menu.... It would also be a natural extension to have it automatically change into upper case any lower case letter after a full stop and two spaces; another of my typo classics. About the abbrev applet, would it be possible to include this as a script- I hasten to add that I am NOT a programmer of any kind. (Apart from making a square whizz round in LOGO.) I suppose the long way round is to do 26 abbrevs of sorts. Is there an easier way? eg /. [lower case letter at start of word]/. [uppercase letter at start of word] or (thinking out loud) /. [lower case letter wildcard any letters]/. [upper case letter wildcard any letters] What think you all? Or am I just being really lazy? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 26 22:15:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70734 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:15:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898809601:10:19433:15; Thu, 25 Jun 98 21:20:01 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117990; 25 Jun 98 21:19 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypJQ9-0000T5-00; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:19:06 +0000 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Thesaurus Macro? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear all I use the thesaurus quite a lot with Opro, but not enough to merit it sitting constantly on the bar; I have a wee icon for the thesaurus in my toolbox, but I don't know how I would write a macro that would load it/open it upon clicking on the tool icon. Can anyone help me out? MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From allan@awoods.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 26 22:15:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70749 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:15:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898850492:10:22732:6; Fri, 26 Jun 98 08:41:32 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1100310; 26 Jun 98 8:41 GMT Received: from (awoods.demon.co.uk) [158.152.202.190] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypU4D-0002Ta-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 08:41:10 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 00:13:15 +0100 (BST) From: Allan Woods Subject: Re: Drawing lines To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980625.014644.60@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Thanks to all who answered my query about my un-deletable line. I hope that this is now solved! -- Allan Woods, Greenock From jack@snave.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 26 22:16:06 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70754 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:16:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898865593:20:26907:9; Fri, 26 Jun 98 12:53:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2125965; 26 Jun 98 12:53 GMT Received: from (snave.demon.co.uk) [158.152.89.120] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypXzy-0005Oh-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:53:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jack Evans To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 17:47:29 +0100 Message-ID: <485bd3132bjack@snave.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Tip In-Reply-To: <19980625.014652.03@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 25 Jun, Alan Muscat wrote: > Just thought I'd pass on something I discovered > this evening, though it's probably been obvious > to everyone else before now. > While I knew it was possible to use OPro's Thesaurus > with other apps, I never thought to combine it with > Wordworks. If you place the caret in the editable > field of Wordworks and adjust-click on a word in > OPro's Thesaurus the word is written into Wordworks > and you can now just press enter or 'Lookup' and Wordworks > will will present you with the meaning of the word(as > long as the word is in it's dictionary, of course). > I do wish !Thesausus had a dictionary though as I plan > to sell Impression. > Do you think it is ok to sell Impression and not Wordworks > even though Wordworks came with Impression?? Did you know that you can also use OP with WordHound, a now-PD program which has the full 1911 Roget Thesaurus and an extensive dictionary. Like OP it uses the CC Impulse module. Click on the WH icon and up comes a writable icon into which you can drag a highlighted word from an OP doc. You get offered the choice of dictionary definitions and thesaurus categories: click on the one of your choice. From there, clicking on a word displayed puts it into the OP doc at the caret. You can get WordHound from APDL, phone 0181 778 2659: the following is an excerpt from an APDL catalogue disc: B136 -=- Wordhound -=- The more advanced version of Mini Hound, much bigger, needs over 4Mb of hard disc space. As well as the Thesaurus and Dictionary functions it can find 'sound alike' words, link with Impression via the Impulse protocol, and insert words directly into text. Status now changed from Shareware to Freeware so there's no longer a registration fee. On either 5 x 800K or 3 x 1.6Mb discs with an installation program. 800K version - 6 1.6Mb version - 4.50 -- Jack Evans Bristol UK mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk From steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 26 22:16:12 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70759 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:16:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898884705:10:10434:0; Fri, 26 Jun 98 18:11:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107667; 26 Jun 98 18:11 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.153) [193.130.245.153] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypcyC-00051h-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:11:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steve To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:02:59 +0100 Message-ID: <485c5dd2aesteve.harratt@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Ovation 2.5 Return-Receipt-To: steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hello I have tried to install version 2.5 of Ovation onto my A4, but when I run it it complains of not being able to find Templates or some such thing. i have tried several times and it is always the same complaint. has anyone else found this or will that version just not work on the A4. Thanks -- _____ __ ____________________________________ / ___// /____ _ _____ | Change 'NoSpam' to 'argonet' | \__ \/ __/ _ \ | / / _ \ | Steve Harratt LRPS | ___/ / /_/ __/ |/ / __/ | Tel (01302) 535891 | /____/\__/\___/|___/\___/ | email steve.harratt@argonet.co.uk | |____________________________________| -- From hamuy@wirehub.nl Fri Jun 26 22:16:10 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70757 for maillist ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:16:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898876298:10:01243:9; Fri, 26 Jun 98 15:51:38 GMT Received: from ns2.wirehub.net ([194.165.94.5]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122138; 26 Jun 98 15:51 GMT Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p518.wirehub.net [195.86.48.6]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA16487 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:55:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 17:46:54 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: Compiling an index/list of contents/different levels To: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Hello, When Iam looking in the reference guide from Ovation, I can't find anything about making and compiling indexes, list of contents, or other kind of registering. Even nothing about making levels for (sub)headers and categories like the way as Impression does can I find. I have the reference guide from version 2.46 which is upgraded to version 2.49. I hope you can help me. -- Best regards, Hans Muyderman (hamuy@wirehub.nl) From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 26 23:06:28 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70787 for ovatiponp-l ; Fri, 26 Jun 98 23:06:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovatiponp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898898570:10:20105:14; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:02:50 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020316; 26 Jun 98 22:02 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypgZx-0000hC-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:02:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:56:34 GMT Message-Id: <70784@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: "M. Launhardt" >be loaded from a directory called CCShared. The thing is, I don't really know >wether this directory belongs to ArtWorks or OPro. >Any suggestions highly appreciated. Well lets get clear that these ArtWorks modules are not an integral part of OPro. You only need them if you intend loading AW files into OPro, and using the ArtWorks applet to render them. The modules can be loaded from CCShared which ArtWorks and Impression create inside !System (inside !Boot), or from the ArtWorks Viewer program. The likely problem is that one or other of these have to have been booted before you run OPro. In addition the right versions have to be available. From: Paul Hutton >I use the thesaurus quite a lot with Opro, but not enough to merit it >sitting constantly on the bar; I have a wee icon for the thesaurus in my >toolbox, but I don't know how I would write a macro that would load it/open >it upon clicking on the tool icon. Can anyone help me out? Yep its been done - see the maillist archive for January 1998. From: Jack Evans >Like OP it uses the CC Impulse module. At some point I supplied the author with the protocol that is used to talk to the Beebug Thesaurus, I believe he added support for it. So maybe Impulse is not involved. From: Steve >I have tried to install version 2.5 of Ovation onto my A4, but when I run >it it complains of not being able to find Templates or some such thing. This seems to be a common (ish) complaint. The trouble is that you've either not copied the !OvnPro from the upgrade archive over the copy you are upgrading, or have failed to set the copy options in the way described in the !ReadMe with the upgrade. Bottom line - the Templates file in the old copy is not being replaced with the one from the upgrade archive. From: "J.J. Muyderman" >When Iam looking in the reference guide from Ovation, >I can't find anything about making and compiling >indexes, list of contents, or other kind of registering. See the alternative OPro site http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ For 2 indexing applets. There is a contents one, but I'm not sure of its current status. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 27 01:42:16 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70790 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 01:42:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898901799:20:06940:3; Fri, 26 Jun 98 22:56:39 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2006936; 26 Jun 98 22:56 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yphQ4-00049j-00; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 22:56:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 20:10:20 GMT Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:09:58 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980625.014608.37@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980625.014608.37@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Wed 24 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > From: Alan Muscat > > > > >I thought !THe already did this? > > > > Sorry if I've misled anyone. I thought it just did auto corrections like > > typeing THe instead of The. You could lump the supershift applet and even > > things like the quotes applet into the same category of auto corrections. > > The abbreviation applet is really well suited to correcting such > mistakes. I use it for that, amongst *many* other things. > Yes my apologies for confusing anyone, esp. inc. David; !THe is not erally design for the kind of typos in question. When I said: I thought !THe already did this? It was a real question, not meant to be rhetorical. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 22 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From bric@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 27 14:48:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70858 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 14:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898939362:10:21082:4; Sat, 27 Jun 98 09:22:42 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1113857; 27 Jun 98 9:22 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.104) [193.130.245.104] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yprBt-0006LL-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:22:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 10:10:42 +0100 Message-ID: <485cb0ed31bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.09b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Art works Renderer Module In-Reply-To: <19980627.025341.87@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 27 Jun, M. Launhardt wrote: > Each time I start OPro (2.49) I get the error message !OArtWrks > applet needs ArtWorks Renderer 1.05 or newer. I upgraded from 2 > and never had any trouble at all. Some days ago I started getting > error messages - out of the blue it seemed. I checked ArtWorks and > found that I haven't got the ArtWorks Renderer module, so Ichecked > AWViewer, found one there and copied it worked properly again. > After rebooting however the same error message appears and I am not > quite shure what to do now. In my OPro manual it says somet be > loaded from a directory called CCShared. The thing is, I don't > really know wether this directory belongs to ArtWorks or OPro. Any > suggestions highly appreciated. The module 'belongs' to ArtWorks and it should be in: !Boot.Resources.!CCShared.RMStore (new !Boot) or !Boot.!System.!CCShared.RMStore (old !Boot). <-- I think !CCShared should be 'seen' on bootup. But the variable CCShared$Dir is looked for by !OArtWorks.!Install and if it's not set the !CCShared !Boot is run, thus setting the variable. Try 'Show CCShared*' at the *-prompt after booting, and again after starting OvnPro. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 27 14:49:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70865 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 14:49:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898950158:10:19919:0; Sat, 27 Jun 98 12:22:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107232; 27 Jun 98 12:22 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypu05-0000Ax-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:22:37 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:29:15 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Re: Mail List Archive? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980627.025434.35@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] > From: Paul Hutton > > >I use the thesaurus quite a lot with Opro, but not enough to merit it > >sitting constantly on the bar; I have a wee icon for the thesaurus in my > >toolbox, but I don't know how I would write a macro that would load it/open > >it upon clicking on the tool icon. Can anyone help me out? > > Yep its been done - see the maillist archive for January 1998. > Where is the maillist archive please? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From michael.launhardt@student.uva.nl Sat Jun 27 14:49:18 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70866 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 14:49:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898949151:20:19262:1; Sat, 27 Jun 98 12:05:51 GMT Received: from blaeu.student.uva.nl ([146.50.96.20]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019063; 27 Jun 98 12:05 GMT Received: from 100665.2537.compuserve.com (md03-091.mun.compuserve.com [195.232.34.91]) by blaeu.student.uva.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.0) with SMTP id AAA18518 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:59:51 +0200 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:05:32 +0200 (MESZ) From: "M. Launhardt" Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980627.025434.35@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Sat 27 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > > > From: "M. Launhardt" > > >be loaded from a directory called CCShared. The thing is, I don't really know > >wether this directory belongs to ArtWorks or OPro. > >Any suggestions highly appreciated. > > Well lets get clear that these ArtWorks modules are not an integral > part of OPro. You only need them if you intend loading AW files > into OPro, and using the ArtWorks applet to render them. > The modules can be loaded from CCShared which ArtWorks and > Impression create inside !System (inside !Boot), or from the > ArtWorks Viewer program. The likely problem is that one > or other of these have to have been booted before you run > OPro. > > In addition the right versions have to be available. > In the mean time I have found the CCShared directory by myself and copied the AWRenderer module into it. Everything works fine. It seems I was just to stupid to find the directory on that particular day ;-} Thanks for your help David! Michael ________________________________ Michael.Launhardt@student.uva.nl From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 27 17:08:44 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70876 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:08:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898959052:10:10134:2; Sat, 27 Jun 98 14:50:52 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112805; 27 Jun 98 14:50 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypwJV-0002c2-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:50:51 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:37:40 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Amending Supershift applet To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear all I know this has been discussed before, and was the subject of much mud flinging... but I ignored it at the time. How can the supershift applet be amended to allow full stop and TWO spaces before capitalising the next letter? Whether or not this is the correct convention, it the one I use, and it serveth me well. Emails to me- saves clogging up the group. MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 27 17:08:46 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70877 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:08:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898959054:10:10160:0; Sat, 27 Jun 98 14:50:54 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1112820; 27 Jun 98 14:50 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypwJT-0002c2-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:50:47 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:12:14 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Changing order of items To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear all How do you change the order of items in the program menu on the bar; At the mo I have Info New Clipboard Choices Documents Stationery Quit and I would like to move Stationery to be after "New". Sorry if this has been asked before... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 27 17:08:50 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70878 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:08:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898962159:20:08259:1; Sat, 27 Jun 98 15:42:39 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008236; 27 Jun 98 15:42 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypx7V-0005u7-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:42:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:54:01 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:51:12 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Tip Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980627.025411.39@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980627.025411.39@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > You can get WordHound from APDL, phone 0181 778 2659: the following is an > excerpt from an APDL catalogue disc: > > B136 -=- Wordhound -=- > The more advanced version of Mini Hound, much bigger, needs over 4Mb > of hard disc space. As well as the Thesaurus and Dictionary functions > it can find 'sound alike' words, link with Impression via the Impulse > protocol, and insert words directly into text. Status now changed > from > Shareware to Freeware so there's no longer a registration fee. > > On either 5 x 800K or 3 x 1.6Mb discs with an installation program. > 800K version - 6 1.6Mb version - 4.50 > Is it exclusive to APDL? Can it be got from the net? -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 22 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Sat Jun 27 17:08:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70879 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 27 Jun 98 17:08:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898962161:20:08288:1; Sat, 27 Jun 98 15:42:41 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2100657; 27 Jun 98 15:42 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ypx7S-0005u4-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:42:27 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 14:38:10 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:37:48 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Art works Renderer Module Message-ID: <89dfce5c48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980627.025341.87@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40b for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60m In message <19980627.025341.87@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: In my OPro manual it says somet > be loaded from a directory called CCShared. The thing is, I don't really know > wether this directory belongs to ArtWorks or OPro. > Any suggestions highly appreciated. Put your CCShared directory in to your Resources directory in !Boot. This works for me. -- Alan Muscat Choose Acorn - 22 users can't all be wrong. *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 29 22:35:52 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70945 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:35:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898974442:20:29938:1; Sat, 27 Jun 98 19:07:22 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2029834; 27 Jun 98 19:07 GMT Received: from (bifrost.demon.co.uk) [158.152.251.209] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yq0JR-0000B3-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:07:01 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:55:02 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Background tints Message-ID: <485CE66CB4%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l Is it possible to apply background colour to a line of text, in such a way that it colours the entire line, plus linespace (leading?) between lines? I'm trying to apply a background tint to rows of a table, and the way I'm trying to do it, is the way I always did it in Impression (so maybe I'm coming at things from the wrong angle, and OP does it a different way...), which was to set the text colour to be the desired colour. Anyway, applying background colour to a paragraph only applies the colour behind each letter. If the line is shorter than the frame width, the colour doesn't cover the entire frame width, plus you get the default frame colour between lines of text, Since I want the table to be inline with the main story, I can't just create a frame with the right background colour, plus I want different lines to have different colours. Is this currently doable, or if not, could it go on the (probably very long) OP wish list please...? -- Be seeing you, Sam. From sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 29 22:35:59 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70946 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:35:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 898974444:20:29970:0; Sat, 27 Jun 98 19:07:24 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127228; 27 Jun 98 19:06 GMT Received: from (bifrost.demon.co.uk) [158.152.251.209] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yq0JJ-000037-00; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:06:54 +0000 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:50:28 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Keep Together? Message-ID: <485CE601B2%sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980616.222509.23@pilling.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk X-Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40a for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l In message <19980616.222509.23@pilling.demon.co.uk> tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk (Tony van der Hoff) wrote: > > OK, so it looks like we're not going to get widows and orphans for a > while yet. However, would it be possible to provide a 'keep together' > style attribute, such that a paragraph/selection so marked would be > forced on to a new page if it would otherwise get broken up. I'll second this desire for 'keep together'. It's a little thing but it makes a great deal of difference to how a document finally looks. Doing it by hand is a pain, and error prone. -- Be seeing you, Sam. From zed@ww.co.nz Mon Jun 29 22:36:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70947 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:36:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899007974:10:14883:2; Sun, 28 Jun 98 04:26:14 GMT Received: from ww.co.nz ([203.98.51.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1125028; 28 Jun 98 4:25 GMT Received: from zed.ww.co.nz (port103.ww.co.nz [203.98.51.103]) by wws1.ww.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8RH) with SMTP id QAA30620 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 16:23:07 +1200 Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 16:23:19 +0000 (GMT) From: David Love Subject: Printer problems v2.50 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] I've searched the all the emails I've saved since the group started and cannot find the answer. Will someone please help me. Took the bit between my teeth and upgraded to v2.50. Flawless upgrade! However, tried to print a document and received the message "Bad page number". What does this mean? What have I done wrong? I have a RiscPC upgraded to SA. 34 MB DRAM. Printing on Canon LBP-4 Plus through CC LaserDirect or Canon BJC-600 and CC TurboDriver Same error message in both instances. David -- PO Box 21 525, Henderson 1231 Acorn RiscPC running on a 200+ MHz Waitakere City, New Zealand StrongARM processor. British and best Telephone: 64 09 838 9744 email: zed@ww.co.nz From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 29 22:36:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70951 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899033529:10:22296:0; Sun, 28 Jun 98 11:32:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022277; 28 Jun 98 11:32 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yqFgj-0001a3-00; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 11:32:06 +0000 Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 12:30:43 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Active icons in top toolbox? To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Dear all Mr Fussychops here again. 1. I have removed my toolbox at the side and have successfully got the icons in my top toolbox, but how can I get them to turn orange to show they are active (eg frame tool, select/link/crop/rectangle/ellipse frame tools? I have copied both sets of the sprites into UK. Buttons and Buttons22; so I have for example: t_select and t_pselect. 2. Is it possible to have the dialogue boxes (x/y width etc) from the bottom toolbox also in the top toolbox. Basically I only want one toolbox, at the top with the best of all three toolboxes there. Any suggestions warmly welcomed! MTIA -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From hamuy@wirehub.nl Mon Jun 29 22:36:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70963 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:36:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899066717:20:12767:14; Sun, 28 Jun 98 20:45:17 GMT Received: from ns2.wirehub.net ([194.165.94.5]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117987; 28 Jun 98 20:44 GMT Received: from hamuy.wirehub.nl (p695.wirehub.net [195.86.48.183]) by mailme.wirehub.nl (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA12127; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:48:47 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 22:43:43 +0100 (BST) From: "J.J. Muyderman" Subject: ArtWorks renderer To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk cc: michael.launhardt@student.uva.nl Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Muyderman Opleidingen - Nijmegen - (31)(024) 377 83 98 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Dear all Thanks for tips about AW-renderer. Now I have find another solution! Perhaps it will be usefull for others of you too. Refresh your !bootfile (!Boot.......choices.tasks) Make shure that the Filer_Boot statement from ArtWorks is placed before the statement from OvPro. In my case: 1) Filer_boot ADFS::HardDisc4.$.Aplications.Artworks.!Artworks and then 2) Filer_boot ADFS::HardDisc.$.Aplications.Ovn!Pro.!OvnPro By this way the CCshare file from ArtWorks (or AW-viewer) will be seen by the system while your machine is booting up. In this case you don't have to copy any CCShared file to !Boot......Resources.!System. -- Regards, Hans Muyderman (hamuy@wirehub.nl) From don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk Mon Jun 29 22:37:09 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA70971 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 29 Jun 98 22:37:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899110819:20:06908:12; Mon, 29 Jun 98 09:00:19 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2105167; 29 Jun 98 9:00 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:59:52 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22063 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:58:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 09:58:26 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: Tip To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980627.175555.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] > > You can get WordHound from APDL, phone 0181 778 2659: the following is an > .... > Is it exclusive to APDL? Can it be got from the net? > It's on Hensa Don Lewis From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 30 03:18:43 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA71067 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 30 Jun 98 03:18:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 899168462:10:10494:23; Tue, 30 Jun 98 01:01:02 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1010450; 30 Jun 98 1:00 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yqomv-0004jH-00; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:00:49 +0000 Date: Mon, 29 Jun 98 23:22:11 GMT Message-Id: <71006@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Samuel Penn >Is it possible to apply background colour to a line of text, >in such a way that it colours the entire line, plus linespace >(leading?) between lines? No, it'd be good though. All a bit like having boxes around text. Or allowing rules to fill in colours. There may be a workaround involving embedding a text frame in the text. From: David Love >Took the bit between my teeth and upgraded to v2.50. Flawless upgrade! >However, tried to print a document and received the message "Bad page >number". What does this mean? What have I done wrong? You'll probably find in the range icon on the print dbox, a token PR15. This is appearing because you didn't copy the new Messages file over the copy of OPro you're upgrading. Just like the example last week with templates. You've got to copy the !OvnPro in the archive over the old one, and you've got to have the right copy options set. From: Paul Hutton >1. I have removed my toolbox at the side and have successfully got the >icons in my top toolbox, but how can I get them to turn orange to show they >are active (eg frame tool, select/link/crop/rectangle/ellipse frame tools? You can't - button bar icons I assume. >2. Is it possible to have the dialogue boxes (x/y width etc) from the >bottom toolbox also in the top toolbox. No. >Changing the order of entries on the icon bar menu... Can be done. Easiest way is to rename the applets so they execute in the right order. However someone could write a script to move the entries around. Another less good solution is to hack the applets so they insert their menu entries in a given place. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK.