From steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk Sun May 31 14:44:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67760 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896597778:20:27119:0; Sun, 31 May 98 06:56:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118960; 31 May 98 6:56 GMT Received: from (193.130.254.13) [193.130.254.13] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yg22Q-0001XA-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:56:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Steven Pampling To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: <484df1fa16steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OP mailing In-Reply-To: <19980528.021955.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 28 May, Adrian Warrick wrote: > On 27 May, D.A.Symes wrote: > I didn't conceive how many people would think this a 'monumentally > silly' idea, however I have only just purchased !Pluto which has this > capability. > I notice that only non-Argo subscribers (or Dave Symes using !Pluto) > have commented on haw daft my idea is. I wonder how many people who are > using the !Voyager internet suite in its original form (but version > 1.18) agree with my previous e-mail? Actually that particular failing is one of the reasons I bought Pluto and thereby have a decent maillist handling setup. In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader with deficiencies. * SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC Zr *** "Cheer up Lad, think of the Derby Trip!!" *** - Wallace looking forward to Derby Beer Festival... From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sun May 31 14:44:40 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67761 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896612307:10:07897:0; Sun, 31 May 98 10:58:27 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007760; 31 May 98 10:58 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yg5oj-0007Io-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 11:58:21 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 11:58:21 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: OP mailing In-Reply-To: <19980531.022658.73@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Sun, 31 May 1998, Rupert Thompson wrote: > I read mail on-line rather than downloading it, because I have a > permanent connexion, so filtering is not an option. Erm...on-line would mean telnetting to cus, in your case, wouldn't it? Bet you're using pine. That means you must have some serious filtering options. (I know one bloke who sends stuff to his mobile!) > And isn't telnetting into Hermes just to read mail deprecated as causing Unless you've managed to subvert the security, not hard on Unix admittedly, and have started running Physics simulations, not likely, then what else would you telnet into Hermes to do? And anyway, who said I was telnetting to Hermes. I've got an account on Thor and use an IMAP connection to read my mail. > too much system load? You should be using Mulberry, shurely ;-) I think a single user on Hermes would probably be deemed too much system load :) I feel certain there's something in the computer syndicate rules to that effect, oh yes here it is: "The undergraduates are restricted in their use of these new fangled computer devices to once in a blue moon. Privileges will be revoked without warning if it is found that the money could be more effectively spent on provision of food for senior members of the university." Professor Bradshaw Dipcock-Smythe,FRS,FRA,FRSS,FRSAS,MI5,MI6,KGB, University Proctor and Gambler, 1923 Dave From ovatnchat@barc.demon.co.uk Sun May 31 14:44:46 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67764 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896614409:20:06020:1; Sun, 31 May 98 11:33:29 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2116190; 31 May 98 11:33 GMT Received: from barc.demon.co.uk ([194.222.19.11]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1020772; 31 May 98 11:33 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 08:08:46 +0000 (GMT) From: MikeWilson Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980529.012335.33@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Fri 29 May, David Pilling wrote: > Ovation Pro 2.50 is available from the URL; > > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html When I log on to this URL all I can download is V2.49 What am I doing wrong? Mike. -- Mike Wilson 0113-253-3722 mike@barc.demon.co.uk Proud to be a member of Wakefield Acorn Computer Group All opinions are mine alone - please do not blame WACG From pete.bready@cableol.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:05:38 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67769 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:05:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896634838:10:05595:0; Sun, 31 May 98 17:13:58 GMT Received: from mars.cableol.net ([194.168.4.224]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005561; 31 May 98 17:13 GMT Received: from portia-61.cableol.net by mars.cableol.net; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Feb96-0403PM) id AA13565; Sun, 31 May 1998 18:13:55 +0100 Message-Id: <357200C8.400B@cableol.co.uk> Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 18:15:52 -0700 From: Pete Bready Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: DDF filetype References: <19980530.030723.62@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Pilling wrote: > > A quick check reveals that the > Impression !Run files don't set up type D93 either. > > How do you make Impression save as type D93 by default? My note was perhaps a little misleading - I'm not aware of how to get Impression to save DDF files as &D93, although I've mailed their support to ask. I manually change the filetype to &D93, and have coloured the usual Impression doc sprite with red text to differentiate. !TransDDF (v1.10 - thanks for the quick upload to the web pages) works very well changing the &707 to &D93, with OvPro now accepting DDF files better than Impression itself - I don't know what I've managed to disable, but I have to drag non-documnet files to a blank Impression doc to get them to load, as the program itself on the icon bar ignores drag and drop. BTW, OvPro interprets DDF better than Impression in that it does effect a justify effect at the start of the file (eg. right justified address) which Impression has failed to do for goodness knows how long! Pete Bready From rmking@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:05:55 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67773 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:05:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896625890:20:28286:0; Sun, 31 May 98 14:44:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2101253; 31 May 98 14:44 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.209) [193.130.250.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yg9LG-0006GI-00; Sun, 31 May 1998 15:44:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Roger King To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 15:43:11 +0100 Message-ID: <484ee7cbd9rmking@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Bad Page Number with OvPro 2.50 In-Reply-To: <19980529.012304.97@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I cannot print at all with Ovation Pro 2.50. Clicking on the 'Print' icon brings up 'Bad Page Number' on all of my various stationery and envelope templates. Help please. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 22:06:27 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67777 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:06:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896705118:10:14922:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 12:45:18 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014822; 1 Jun 98 12:45 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-97.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.97]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA11160 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:44:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:42:38 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Exporting text from OPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980531.022732.72@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Sun 31 May, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 30 May, Paul Hutton wrote: > > Does anyone know about exporting text from Opro? I have prepared a piece > > of work with tabs, and want to send it to a Win95 user (groan). If I > > export it as a text file or as DDL, will she be able to read it, with > > the tab settings preserved? > > Yes, but some characters may get changed, such as the pound sign. Save it > as a text file as DDL means nothing to Win 95. If you give it a .txt > ending, then her wordprocessor will have no problem recognising it. > Except of course it will have to be /txt until it gets on a DOS disc. You also have to remember to save the text without styles otherwise the recipient gets a load of stuff which makes sense to OPro but not to Word. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From chris.chorley@digi.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:06:39 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67783 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:06:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896716556:10:27420:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 15:55:56 GMT Received: from ns.digi.co.uk ([194.200.140.119]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027146; 1 Jun 98 15:55 GMT Received: from del.digi.co.uk (del.digi.co.uk [194.200.140.6]) by arthur.digi.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA00743 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:57:46 +0100 Received: from DEL/SpoolDir by del.digi.co.uk (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 15:53:54 +0 Received: from SpoolDir by DEL (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 15:53:52 +0 Received: from 008.digi.co.uk (194.200.140.100) by del.digi.co.uk (Mercury 1.40); 1 Jun 98 15:53:47 +0 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980601155911.00dce794@194.200.140.6> X-Sender: chrisc@194.200.140.6 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:59:11 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Chris Chorley Subject: OP 2.50 As someone who trys not to modify things (such as button bars), but adds applets if useful, I've had no problems with 2.50. The only small problem was the following statement in the readme: The steps outlined below will work on your current version (2.48 ?!)..., I ignored this and did the next bit, Take your original installation disks (copy of original install on HD)..., assuming this to be 2.46. So, as I said, no problems. Chris. From colin@mackinlay.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67794 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896657051:20:11725:1; Sun, 31 May 98 23:24:11 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2107390; 31 May 98 23:23 GMT Received: from mackinlay.demon.co.uk ([194.222.101.118]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1029995; 31 May 98 23:23 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 23:48:53 +0100 (BST) From: Colin Mackinlay Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980531.022710.20@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: cmk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] In on Sun 31 May, Peter Margetts wrote: > In the wake of another fine upgrade, I have collected > some extra instructions that I have found necessary for > my system. Perhaps it will help someone. > ...mega snip!! > -- > Pete Margetts > Many thanks! But all this should not be necessary - many other programs have excellent security but upgrade over their current BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the inclination to wade through!). -- Colin Mackinlay From cdowns@argonet.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:10 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67796 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896681495:20:20523:1; Mon, 01 Jun 98 06:11:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2020334; 1 Jun 98 6:10 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.194) [193.130.250.194] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygNo2-0001VJ-00; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 07:10:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Cliff Downs) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 30 May 98 (08:07:40 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ad Subject: Re: Mangled posting? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 30 May 98 (03:05:15 +0100), secpc@flinders.edu.au wrote: > I'm curious, did anyone else got this, from John Waddell, with several > of > its lines ending mid sence? And if so any suggestions on the cause and > the > fix? > ... [snip] Yes. Sorry no suggestions. I'm using Voyager on a RispPc600(StrongARMed). > ... > BTW I'm reading using Eudora on a PC box :-( > > Thanks, No problem. Cliff. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cdowns@argonet.co.uk From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:28 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67804 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896694998:20:20783:5; Mon, 01 Jun 98 09:56:38 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2120079; 1 Jun 98 9:55 GMT Received: from wcartsco.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.63]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022796; 1 Jun 98 9:55 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 30 May 1998 23:45:20 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 00:45:12 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Adding an embedded graphic at the cursor Message-ID: <4095954e48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980529.012350.52@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d Dr A G Gray wrote: > I frequently use a Draw file of my signature when sending FAXes from OP. etc. I think the easiest way would be to put your sig in a font as a character, or if its a complex sig, then a series of characters. I have done this with company logos several times. You are limited by the number of control points you can have in any one character but I have successfully incorporated very complex logos into fonts by splitting the logo over several characters which then have to be typed in sequence. If you send me a scan of your sig I'll see what I can do. Kevin. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Mon Jun 1 22:07:39 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67810 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:07:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896715850:20:19797:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 15:44:10 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2119157; 1 Jun 98 15:44 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:44:04 BST Message-Id: <7552.9806011544@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:44:04 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun May 31 03:02:17 1998 > From:(Ian Worrall) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:26:42 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:20:18 +0100 > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 755 > > On 30 May, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > > I have an A3010 (4 megs +320M HD) & HP500C inkjet printer. > > > (A) Since upgrading OVp via the web to V2.48 i have 2 minor problems:- > > > > > (B) I upgraded to Printers V 1.53 at Wakfield. Since then I have been > > unable to view print margins. Ticking the view options box "print > > margins" etc produces no effect. > > You _do_ have a printer driver loaded when trying this? > > Most applications read the paper size for margins from the printer driver, > No driver=no margins. > > > -- > Ian Worrall mailto: ian@keinyuri.u-net.com yes HP 500C printer driver loaded. It prints OK I just cannot see the margins John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From plattir@gol.com Mon Jun 1 23:09:37 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67844 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 23:09:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896738516:10:02525:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:01:56 GMT Received: from smtp02.pp.gol.com ([203.216.3.72]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105670; 1 Jun 98 22:01 GMT Received: from plattir.gol.com (tc-2-066.tokyo.gol.ne.jp [203.216.9.66]) by smtp02.purple.gol.ad.jp (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/890-MCMLXLVIII-04-24-SMTP-P) with SMTP id HAA27459 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:01:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:07:39 +0000 (GMT) From: "Ian R. Platt" Subject: Re: Adding an embedded graphic at the cursor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980527.030445.54@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 27 May, Dr A G Gray wrote: > I frequently use a Draw file of my signature when sending FAXes from OP. FWIW: I can't help with the keystroke shortcut (but perhaps the programme Keystroke would be one way), but I keep a blank fax form (labelled !F) in my letters dir which has my address 'To', 'At', and 'Subject' etc. in frames at the top lined up so I can just type in the addressee's name & number. At the bottom of the page, there's a frame with my sig Draw file, so I just have to drag it to the correct position. I _would_ be better to be able to do it by shortcut tho. Ian -- Ian Platt email: plattir@gol.com An Acorn RiscPC - StrongArm 202MHz and UK technology - definitely not Windoze! From frank@watsnees.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 23:09:56 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67846 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 23:09:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896737554:20:12461:0; Mon, 01 Jun 98 21:45:54 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2122059; 1 Jun 98 21:45 GMT Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.143]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1022241; 1 Jun 98 21:45 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 20:44:56 +0100 Message-ID: <484f87421cfrank@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 2.50 Problems In-Reply-To: <483bdfc805frank@watsnees.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I wrote the following on the 24th April 1998, continuing the thread "2.49 Problems": > Another problem that is still present is the failure of the re-size > icon (or have I missed the solution?). For me, this occurs as > follows: > 1. Open new document window. > 2. Click Select on re-size icon (top right!). Window > expands to maximum size. > 3. Click on same icon again. Window returns to small size. > No problem so far. > 4. Maximise again by clicking on same icon. > 5. If I now place the pointer over the title bar of the > window, and simply press Select once, the re-size icon no longer > functions, ie. it does not cause the window size to change in any > way. This action of clicking on the title bar produces this effect > whether there is any pointer movement or not (I use a tracker-ball, > not a mouse). > David's response (17 April) does not seem to say what one can do > until the next up-grade is available. (David's response related to another window sizing problem) > The fix, for me, is to drag the change size icon (bottom right) to > reduce the window size appropriately. Then you can re-position the > window, if desired. Then the re-size icon works normally again, > until you click in the title bar, either accidentally or foolishly! I presume that my comments above were too late for version 2.50, because the same behaviour is still present. The up-grade to 2.50 has been successful and only the above has shown up so far. Thanks and kind regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.08i on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.98. From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Tue Jun 2 02:30:58 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67871 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 02:30:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896751012:20:02003:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 01:30:12 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2112411; 2 Jun 98 1:30 GMT Received: from spuddy.mew.co.uk (uucp@localhost) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with UUCP id CAA17063 for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:23:34 +0100 Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA00753; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:13:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:42:56 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: ligatures Message-ID: <484F4AA67F%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980531.022753.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g In message <19980531.022753.05@pilling.demon.co.uk> alfchamings@ed.ac.uk (Alf Chamings) wrote: > when inserting text before a letter i or l, this letter is 'absorbed into > the previous letter whenever you type an f. > The solution is always to insert text before a space I suppose. Or to follow Applets->As-you-type and untick ligatures. BTW the version of THe that I have here (1.72) includes the code int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) { THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; if(THe_ellipsis) but surely it should be int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) { THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; if(THe_ligatures) ? Chris From philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk Mon Jun 1 22:06:35 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67780 for ovation-l ; Mon, 01 Jun 98 22:06:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896632498:20:06549:19; Sun, 31 May 98 16:34:58 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab2106300; 31 May 98 16:34 GMT Received: from blencathra.demon.co.uk ([194.222.71.242]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1018577; 31 May 98 16:34 GMT Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 17:23:44 +0100 From: Philip Powell To: ovation-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: OvPro 2.50 - dearchive problem solved Message-ID: <7e0f14e48%philip@blencathra.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980531.022821.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Sharp Edge X-Mailer: Messenger v1.40 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21beta MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60l In message <19980531.022821.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> () wrote: > >From: Philip Powell > >>Subject says it. I downloaded the upgrade but it will not dearchive >>correctly with either !SparkPlug 2.26 or !ArcFS2. The hitch is with >>!Upgade.Patch.!RunImage. > >Well don't waste your time with ArcFS2 (unbiased advice there). >It won't look at Zip files. I'd guess the archive you've downloaded >is damaged. Try again I'd say. Probably doing the Shift + click on link >thing. > I'd already tried a 2nd download so gave your advice a try. Thanks David, SHIFT/CLICK on link worked fine - as does the upgrade (-: -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to The Cheviot PGP Key available on request From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 03:13:07 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67884 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 03:13:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896751098:10:27485:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 01:31:38 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107277; 2 Jun 98 1:31 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygfvI-0007lL-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:31:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 01:38:40 GMT Message-Id: <67847@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: MikeWilson >> Ovation Pro 2.50 is available from the URL; >> http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html >When I log on to this URL all I can download is V2.49 I suspect you're victim of my not changing the text "2.49" on the upgrade page to "2.50". (fixed now). From: Roger King >I cannot print at all with Ovation Pro 2.50. >Clicking on the 'Print' icon brings up 'Bad Page Number' on all of my >various stationery and envelope templates. Have a close look at the print window. I suspect you'll see the famoous PR15 token lurking in the range icon. If so then the problem is that you've not upgrade the Messages file inisde !OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From niccox@aol.com Tue Jun 2 13:44:05 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67951 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896770565:20:15093:2; Tue, 02 Jun 98 06:56:05 GMT Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.33]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2015046; 2 Jun 98 6:56 GMT Received: from NicCox@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id ITOFa09431 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: <752960e6.3573a1ef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 02:55:42 EDT To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 177 << BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the inclination to wade through!). >> IMO they're the ones you SHOULD read! A small summary of all the rest ... Nic From andy.ling@quantel.com Tue Jun 2 13:44:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67954 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:09 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896775888:10:04225:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 08:24:48 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004135; 2 Jun 98 8:24 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26940 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:33:41 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id JAA30566 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:22:38 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <00256617.00336D1D.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:26:07 +0000 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. >BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the >mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the inclination >to wade through!). It's always worth reading the "Various" postings from "david" (i.e. Mr P) or the odd one with no subject from "root" ;-) They usually contain some useful gems like :- >NEWS >==== >Ovation Pro 2.50 is available from the URL; >http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade250/index.html >Only those who don't mind messing about should try it for the time being. Andy Ling From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:17 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67958 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896781055:10:25207:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 09:50:55 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025140; 2 Jun 98 9:50 GMT Received: from (wcartsco.demon.co.uk) [158.152.233.63] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygniR-00057S-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:50:52 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 02 Jun 1998 09:32:31 GMT Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:32:23 +0100 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help Message-ID: <553d34f48%kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it > from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings > thst I haven't got the inclination to wade through!). Those "Various" postings are the most useful since they come from the man with all the answers. I'd urge everyone wade through those, if nothing else, and it might cut down on repeated requests for the same info. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From brian@adam.co.nz Tue Jun 2 13:44:17 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67959 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896780285:20:05989:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 09:38:05 GMT Received: from smtp2.ihug.co.nz ([203.29.160.14]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2005919; 2 Jun 98 9:38 GMT Received: from adam.ihug.co.nz (p56-max30.akl.ihug.co.nz [207.212.239.56]) by smtp2.ihug.co.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA21 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:55:36 +1200 (GMT) From: Brian Adam Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: http://www.adam.co.nz X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] In on Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the > mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the i > nclination to wade through!). > > -- > Colin Mackinlay Wha-at? That's the best part of this List. All I read if I'm pushed for time. Brian From rjet1@cus.cam.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:20 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67960 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896780351:20:06425:24; Tue, 02 Jun 98 09:39:11 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117693; 2 Jun 98 9:38 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.927 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0ygnWZ-0006g9-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:31 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 10:38:31 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: ligatures To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980602.034111.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 02 Jun, Chris Manning wrote: > BTW the version of THe that I have here (1.72) includes the code > > int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) > { > THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; > if(THe_ellipsis) > > but surely it should be > > int THe_entry_ligatures(int entry, int subcode) > { > THe_ligatures=!THe_ligatures; > if(THe_ligatures) > Indeed it should. The person responsible for this heinous error has been beaten with birch twigs to within an inch of his life as a punishment. Which is, I suspect, why he did it in the first place. Corrected version on my website now. Thanks. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:34 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67965 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896786236:10:15866:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 11:17:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1104141; 2 Jun 98 11:17 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.116) [193.130.246.116] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygp3q-00022o-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 12:16:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 12:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: <484fdc78f3richard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: 2.50 vector rendering problems Content-Type: text/plain Is it me or does OP 2.50 have a really bad problem rendering draw/artworks files? They seem to be there when printed but they have a rather nasty habit of redrawing either partially or completely white on screen! This happens with both old and new docs and the two most recent versions !OArtWrks applet. It was fine in 2.49. Any help gratefully received. Cheers, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 13:44:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67972 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 13:44:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896789554:10:27966:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 12:12:34 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124340; 2 Jun 98 12:12 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-133.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.133]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22659 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:12:27 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:03:10 +0100 (BST) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it > from the mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings > thst I haven't got the i nclination to wade through!). > But these are the ones with the answers! You have to read 'Various' even if you don't read the others. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From ljg@star.le.ac.uk Tue Jun 2 14:39:50 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67991 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 14:39:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896792324:10:25178:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 12:58:44 GMT Received: from apollo.le.ac.uk ([143.210.16.125]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1024867; 2 Jun 98 12:58 GMT Received: from ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk ([143.210.36.50] helo=ltsun0.le.ac.uk) by apollo.le.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #2) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0ygqf8-0004JF-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:59:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 13:57:33 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: OP mailing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980530.030531.12@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Sat 30 May, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > I get free web & email access at work. However, I, of course, have to > use their system. for mail it is MailTool running on a sun. I would > find having a "tag" by which I could sort my mail verry usefull. But > to work they would have to be at the start of the subject line eg > OVP-re:-xxxxx There's already a tag - it's the Reply-To address. I read my mail with Marcel, but the mail all sits on a Sun and I filter it with procmail, and the Reply-To address is what I filter this list's messages with. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 223 1039 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 17:57:38 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67996 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:57:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896796153:20:19558:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 14:02:33 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2019354; 2 Jun 98 14:02 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygrdZ-000337-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:02:01 +0100 Date: Tue, 02 Jun 98 15:00:44 GMT Message-Id: <67994@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From cdowns@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 17:57:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA67998 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:57:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896799718:20:04078:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 15:01:58 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111248; 2 Jun 98 15:01 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.42) [193.130.251.42] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygsZT-0005R0-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:01:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Cliff Downs) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 2 Jun 98 (07:28:09 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : ad Subject: Re: OP mailing Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Tue 2 Jun 98 (03:39:37 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: [snip] > > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > with deficiencies. Oh Dear Steve, Where is the compassion in you? There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed incomes, students etc... Just a prefix of [OvP] would be more than sufficient or of course you could send the appropriate cheques addressed to Jon Doddington for me and others who requested this change in order to obtain their copies of Pluto. I think that this subject has been flogged enough and should be laid to rest now. > > * SteveP Cliff ZFC S+ -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ cdowns@argonet.co.uk From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:16:30 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68026 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:16:28 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896807299:10:12743:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:08:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1012537; 2 Jun 98 17:08 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.160) [193.130.246.160] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yguXE-0007UY-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:07:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 07:04:58 +0100 Message-ID: <484fc0062adf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OP mailing In-Reply-To: <19980602.033937.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 02 Jun, Steven Pampling wrote: > On 28 May, Adrian Warrick wrote: > > On 27 May, D.A.Symes wrote: > > I didn't conceive how many people would think this a 'monumentally > > silly' idea, however I have only just purchased !Pluto which has this > > capability. > > I notice that only non-Argo subscribers (or Dave Symes using !Pluto) > > have commented on haw daft my idea is. I wonder how many people who are > > using the !Voyager internet suite in its original form (but version > > 1.18) agree with my previous e-mail? > Actually that particular failing is one of the reasons I bought Pluto and > thereby have a decent maillist handling setup. > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > with deficiencies. > * SteveP Actually chaps and chapesses...I think the quoting has gone somewhat awry again, as I (Dave Symes), didn't write the bit above attributed to me. I wrote the missing bit that prompted Adrian to respond with the above quoted text. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From margetts@globalnet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:16:41 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68027 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:16:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896808838:10:14036:3; Tue, 02 Jun 98 17:33:58 GMT Received: from sand.global.net.uk ([194.126.82.9]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117020; 2 Jun 98 17:33 GMT Received: from margetts.globalnet.co.uk (client13cb.globalnet.co.uk [195.147.13.203]) by sand.global.net.uk (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id SAA31803 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:33:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 07:02:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Margetts Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help To: Ovation Pro Mailing List In-Reply-To: <19980602.034028.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 02 Jun, Colin Mackinlay wrote: > In on Sun 31 May, Peter Margetts wrote: > > In the wake of another fine upgrade, I have collected > > some extra instructions that I have found necessary for > > my system. Perhaps it will help someone. > > ..mega snip!! > > > Many thanks! But all this should not be necessary - many other programs have excellen > t security but upgrade over their current > > BTW, how did you all find out about 2.50? I haven't got anything about it from the > mailing list (unless it is in one of those "Various" postings thst I haven't got the i > nclination to wade through!). > > -- > Colin Mackinlay The "various" postings usually are sent by David Pilling, and are the answers in most cases to the problems raised by us. In one of those last week IIRC he mentioned that 2.50 was available. As is raised elsewhere, initial confusion factor was that it was still shown on the page as 2.49 (since fixed). The reasons for upgrading over 2.46 have been discussed at length, but basically, the code was written to do that, and the author has been unavailable to update the update software. . . It works fine, just keep a copy of 2.46 hidden somewhere. My original copy was 2.43, with a major upgrade to 2.46 and then incremental changes since. Pete Margetts -- Pete & Mitzi . . . An oasis of Kiwi Kulture in the English Desert! Yeah Gidday! Pete & Mitzi Margetts From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Tue Jun 2 20:16:48 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68028 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:16:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896811975:10:28896:3; Tue, 02 Jun 98 18:26:15 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105435; 2 Jun 98 18:26 GMT Received: from (193.130.254.112) [193.130.254.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygvlB-0001WE-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 19:26:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 15:13:32 +0100 Message-ID: <484fecc0d3stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: More printing troubles. Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hello, This problem may not entirely be due to Ovation Pro, but what is happening is this: First of all, the document I am trying to print is based on a double sided chapter with the inside margin set at 35 mm and the outside set at 25 mm. Now, if I ask OP to print the right hand pages, it does so with an inside margin of 32.5 mm and when I print the left hand pages, it prints those with a 37.5 mm inside margin. In the past when I have printed double sided documents from OP using the same master page, the inside margins on both left and right handed pages has come out at the required 35 mm. The only difference being, when the margins came out correct I was using CC's Turbo drivers, but now, owing to computer crashes with Turbo drivers and large documents, I am using Acorn's Printer drivers. (!Printers 1.54) I have checked the page set up within Printers and everything seems to be ok, ie left margin 6.1 mm, right margin 6.1 mm. Within the printer window of OP I do not have Bleed or Printer marks ticked, but the option "Centre" is selected, although I have tried printing wihtout this ticked and I get the same result, ie incorrect margins. Another thing I have just noticed happening whilst printing, is that it now refuses to print in the background, even though !Printers has been set up to do so. Now this did work up until a few days ago, but I can't think what I might have done to upset it. I am using an 18Mb SA RPC running Acorn's new boot sequence (from the !Browse update CD) and OP 2.50, printing to a Canon BJ200. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| From waddell@which.net Tue Jun 2 21:03:09 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68041 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 21:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896815729:10:27651:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 19:28:49 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027475; 2 Jun 98 19:28 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.96]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAB8071 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 20:28:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:44:10 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Ovation mail list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish list, might be a good idea for OP? There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch off, when it is 'binned'. I don't use it because it is extra work when I am busy. This means that I occasionally get caught out, having deleted a file before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! It would be useful, if there was a facility - perhaps an exercisable choice from the Applets menu? - for all deleted documents to be held automatically/transparently in a bin remaining recoverable until the end of the working session. They could then be recovered, for example in the same way that spreadsheets are unhidden in Eureka, to enable further work to be undertaken on them. There would have to be recognition of limited memory on some machines with the ability to select which 'binned' documents to lose irrevocably so that another document could be binned, recognition of the fact that some, including me, work from pro formas, so a number of documents with the same name might end up being 'binned'. These would have to undergo an automatic name change when binned, such as 'memo(1), memo(2) etc. ?Feasible? ?Enough demand for some kind soul to produce an 'Applet'? -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 21:43:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68042 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 02 Jun 98 21:43:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896818638:20:20525:1; Tue, 02 Jun 98 20:17:18 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2117592; 2 Jun 98 20:17 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygxUc-0007lD-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:17:11 +0100 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:15:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Applets not working and odd error message To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Dear all I have just upgraded to version 2.50 without a hitch, and everything seemed to be working fine, except when I try running some of the applets. The following do not work when I filer_boot my copy of Opro: Documents Stationery Abbreviations When I click on them nothing happens; the menu disappears as if nothing has happened. and when I try making changes to the default settings/macros, I get an error message "could not open (pathname) Autorun.!Choices" I quit, reboot, and then get an error message (pathname)!words.dictionary not found, and the program does not load as it did previously. When I dc on !Ovnresdir and !Words then there is no problem; applets work and dictionary works fine. I have no other copies at all of OPro, and deleted all copies before installing a new one from scratch ready for the 2.50 upgrade. Then I sh/dc'd on !Ovnresdir and !words to set the paths, as per normal. Any ideas? Everything else seems to work fine! -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 01:12:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68049 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 01:12:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896827927:20:02794:0; Tue, 02 Jun 98 22:52:07 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2002767; 2 Jun 98 22:52 GMT Received: from (pyramus.demon.co.uk) [193.237.172.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0ygzuX-0006pE-00; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:52:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mike Hatton To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 23:50:51 +0100 Message-ID: <48501c1d94mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.6 Subject: Editing the button bar In-Reply-To: <19980602.034057.17@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain I have just upgraded to OP 2.50, and in doing so I inadvertantly lost the settings of my button bar. I set about re-customising the button bar, and discovered that the option to "insert gap before" the button was missing from the "Edit button" dialogue box. What is the procedure now for inserting or removing gaps from the button bar? Thank you. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MIKE HATTON mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk http://www.pyramus.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:14:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68115 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896854554:20:23357:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 06:15:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2023166; 3 Jun 98 6:15 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.129) [193.130.253.129] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yh6pS-0004Wx-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:15:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: <48503ed7b0df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' In-Reply-To: <19980603.013445.85@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish > list, might be a good idea for OP? > There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch > off, when it is 'binned'. I don't use it because it is extra work when > I am busy. This means that I occasionally get caught out, having > deleted a file before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! A laudable enough request...But considering, "BlackHole", "Recycler", "Safedel"(etc) and many other such applications are all ready available. Perhaps the time and effort might be more usefully expended in other OvPro areas. :-)) Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From bric@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:14:48 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68116 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:14:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896855940:20:06748:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 06:39:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2111168; 3 Jun 98 6:38 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.25) [193.130.245.25] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yh7CK-0004ik-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 07:38:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 06:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <4850426ebdbric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: upgrading: additional help In-Reply-To: <19980603.013431.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, Peter Margetts wrote: [snip] > The "various" postings usually are sent by David Pilling, .... > [snip] ...... The reasons for upgrading over 2.46 have been > discussed at length, but basically, the code was written to do > that, and the author has been unavailable to update the update > software. . . It works fine, just keep a copy of 2.46 hidden > somewhere. My original copy was 2.43, with a major upgrade to 2.46 > and then incremental changes since. A little tale (at the cost of publicly confessing my own carelessness) in the hope that it might save hassle for others: Yesterday I downloaded v2.50 and followed David's instructions. During the !Upgrader run I persistently got an error that it had run out of data and that !RunImage had not been upgraded. Downloaded again, exactly the same file length; ugraded again; same error message. Fired off long email to David. Tidied up desk. Found I had picked up floppies 1 & 2 of *v2.36*, not 2.46. Aaaagh! Upgraded with the correct version; worked perfectly. Sent humble apology to David. As a separate issue, the new copy of v2.46 was loaded to a hard disc different from my main one, but I found when I wanted to move the newly-upgraded version to the latter, that the usual method of 'unlocking' the protection - drag new !OvnPro to the installer window from the release floppy - would not work; nor would similarly dragging it to the !Upgrader window. I had to do it all again. So be careful you install the new version to the hard disc from which you want to run it. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From don.lewis@bristol.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:14:54 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68118 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:14:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896861653:20:01441:8; Wed, 03 Jun 98 08:14:13 GMT Received: from dirc.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.10.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2001297; 3 Jun 98 8:13 GMT Received: from sis.bris.ac.uk by dirc.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV (PP) with ESMTP; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:13:36 +0100 Received: from dml1.pys.bristol.ac.uk (dml1.pys.bris.ac.uk [137.222.53.82]) by sis.bris.ac.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01970 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:13:19 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:13:17 +0100 (BST) From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013445.85@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish list, >... > It would be useful... for all deleted documents to be held > automatically/transparently in a bin remaining recoverable until the end of > the working session > I have been thinking along similar lines, but would like to add the facility to save with the undo buffer intact (whatever the state of this option in the original document). But I cannot find the means of changing the state of the buffer switch in the functions - have I missed this? Don Lewis From ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68121 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896862596:10:16168:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 08:29:56 GMT Received: from llyr.cee.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.52.200]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1016055; 3 Jun 98 8:29 GMT Received: from tungat.cee.hw.ac.uk by llyr.cee.hw.ac.uk{with smtp } (ident root using rfc1413) (Smail3.2.0.101 #8) id m0yh8ve-000769C; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by tungat.cee.hw.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #116) id m0yh8vc-000BkBC; Wed, 3 Jun 98 09:29 WET DST Message-Id: From:(Matthew Hambley) Subject: Re: OP mailing To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:29:47 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19980603.013417.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> from "Cliff Downs" at Jun 3, 98 01:34:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 878 > On Tue 2 Jun 98 (03:39:37 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > [snip] > > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > > with deficiencies. > Where is the compassion in you? > > There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed incomes, > students etc... Why not use NewsBase and Messenger. Both are freeware and support filtering. Hell they even support a cunning system whereby your mailing lists are displayed with and treated like a Use-net group. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ---------------------\ "Tell me what you know or I'll term : ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk \ pee in your ear." holiday : mhambley@arcade.demon.co.uk \ Gaspode interogates a Gargoyle web : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceemah/ \---------------------------------- From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68122 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896867679:20:29108:5; Wed, 03 Jun 98 09:54:39 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128632; 3 Jun 98 9:54 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.226) [193.130.245.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhAFN-0006wF-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:50:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4850587b86richard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems In-Reply-To: <19980603.013409.88@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > From: Richard Cassidy > >Is it me or does OP 2.50 have a really bad problem rendering draw/artworks > >files? > In the past this sort of comment has been provoked by upgrading to a new > version, but not upgrading or inserting the colour supplement applet > in the new copy. Ah, of course I knew that... I'm not stupid you know ;) I'd put the original ColSup inside OP but forgot to freshen it. Problem solved, many thanks! Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:12 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68124 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896867681:20:29144:3; Wed, 03 Jun 98 09:54:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2128699; 3 Jun 98 9:54 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.226) [193.130.245.226] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhAFS-0006wF-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:54:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 10:52:39 +0100 Message-ID: <485058b43erichard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' In-Reply-To: <19980603.013409.88@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Jun, David Pilling wrote: > From: John Waddell > >It would be useful, if there was a facility - perhaps an exercisable > >choice from the Applets menu? - for all deleted documents to be held > >automatically/transparently in a bin remaining recoverable until the end of > >the working session. They could then be recovered, for example in the same > >way that spreadsheets are unhidden in Eureka, to enable further work to be > >undertaken on them. > >?Feasible? ?Enough demand for some kind soul to produce an 'Applet'? > Certainly feasible, a combination of the !HideDoc and !Document applets. Sorry for the 'me too' but that really is an excellent idea - I'm all for it :) Cheers, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:16 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68126 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896869381:10:12508:2; Wed, 03 Jun 98 10:23:01 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1101244; 3 Jun 98 10:22 GMT Received: (qmail 455 invoked from network); 3 Jun 1998 10:22:51 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 1998 10:22:51 -0000 Received: from ppp12-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa13478; 3 Jun 98 11:22 BST Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:22:25 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013445.85@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish list, > might be a good idea for OP? > > There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch off, > when it is 'binned'. I don't use it because it is extra work when I am > busy. This means that I occasionally get caught out, having deleted a file > before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! > If of any interest, we have a !Dustbin App which started off with Beebug but which I've kicked slightly... It puts a bin on the icon bar and to delete any file you drag it to the bin, where it is held in a separate "Rubbish" directory. Files can be taken out of the bin anytime, but the bin is wiped at boot-up. We have it on all our machines. Martin Devon IT Cons. Stonar School -- -- -- From m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk Wed Jun 3 14:15:19 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68128 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:15:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896869709:10:19229:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 10:28:29 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106163; 3 Jun 98 10:28 GMT Received: (qmail 939 invoked from network); 3 Jun 1998 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 3 Jun 1998 10:28:16 -0000 Received: from ppp12-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa14243; 3 Jun 98 11:28 BST Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:27:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: Re: Upgrading To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013409.88@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Something really is going to have to be done about the upgrade procedure. I upgraded our machines from 2.46 to 2.49. Now 2.50 comes along and has to be installed over 2.46 again. Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? Martin Devon Stonar School From tonekat@bigpond.com Wed Jun 3 15:23:33 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68150 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 15:23:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896881886:10:02249:1; Wed, 03 Jun 98 13:51:26 GMT Received: from teapot23.bigpond.com ([139.134.5.165]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001952; 3 Jun 98 13:51 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot23.domain2.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ma277380 for In-Reply-To: <19980530.030622.98@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Does any know how to get the ANT internet suite to send all the ovation mail to the newsgroup reader - I've tried following the Thanks -- Bye for now - Tony & Katrina Otway, Elliott CEC, c/o Post Office Elliott NT 0862 Australia, Elliot@topend.com.au, Tel. Austral ia, NT, 08 89692120, or 08 89692050, Fax 08 89692053 From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 18:55:04 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68158 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896885214:10:03063:3; Wed, 03 Jun 98 14:46:54 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1002631; 3 Jun 98 14:46 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhEnd-00030D-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 15:45:57 +0100 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 15:44:33 GMT Message-Id: <68156@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" >I have been thinking along similar lines, but would like to add the >facility to save with the undo buffer intact (whatever the state of this >option in the original document). But I cannot find the means of >changing the state of the buffer switch in the functions - have I missed >this? Yes there is a function - see undochoices(); From: Martin Devon >I upgraded our machines from 2.46 to 2.49. Now 2.50 comes along and has to >be installed over 2.46 again. >Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then upgrade, >AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? Several things. You could make your problem known to sheridan@beebug.co.uk the whole area of network upgrades etc. is something which needs looking at and is out of my domain. In your position I'd try to automate the process. Keep a 2.46 on each machine then upgrade a copy via a batch file, so the process is automatic. Finally with hindsight I could have made 2.50 easier for you. I could do a 2.49 to 2.50 patcher, and given that only the templates and messages file need changing they're all you have to copy. 2.50 is not on general release yet. I don't know if I'd rush out and do 72 upgrades just yet. From: Graham Allan >Will just point out briefly that you *can* get the functionality for >free with Newsbase/Messenger/TTFN. This mail list runs courtesy of Newsbase - thank you Graham! David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From swcollier@argonet.co.uk Wed Jun 3 18:55:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68160 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896889963:20:11345:6; Wed, 03 Jun 98 16:06:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2113258; 3 Jun 98 16:05 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.93) [193.130.251.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhG2d-0004Yi-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Stan Collier) Reply-To: swcollier@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 3 Jun 98 15:45:47 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I have not been able to upgrade from 2.46 to 2.49. I have followed the instructions and eventually clicked on Upgrade. The upgrade continues until it is over 90 percent complete but then stops with the error message, Input data exhausted. I have contacted David and he has suggested that perhaps my download was corrupted. I do not think this is the case, as I have a friend who has a registered copy of OvPro. I passed a copy of my downloaded upgrade to him and he has upgraded without any problems. However he has a RISCPC and I have a A5000 OS3.1. Has anybody else with an A5000 been able to upgrade successfully?. I do not think it is a lack of memory as I have approximately 1.4MB in both the NEXT and FREE slots. Best wishes, Stan. -- S.W.Collier. swcollier@argonet.co.uk Using ACORN Archimedes A5000 and the ACORN RISCOS 3.1 From martinv@ucs.de Wed Jun 3 18:55:45 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68163 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896890016:10:00642:1; Wed, 03 Jun 98 16:06:56 GMT Received: from linteuto.teuto.de ([194.77.23.26]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1105265; 3 Jun 98 16:06 GMT Received: from 194.77.123.114 (shelley.UCS.De [194.77.123.114] (may be forged)) by linteuto.teuto.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04519 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 18:06:46 +0200 Message-Id: <199806031606.SAA04519@linteuto.teuto.de> From: Martin Vethake To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: 03 Jun 1998 14:03:29 GMT Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: InterTalk Client 2.65 In your earlier message you wrote: [snip] >There would have to be recognition of limited memory on some machines with >the ability to select which 'binned' documents to lose irrevocably so that >another document could be binned, recognition of the fact that some, >including me, work from pro formas, so a number of documents with the >same name might end up being 'binned'. These would have to undergo an >automatic name change when binned, such as 'memo(1), memo(2) etc. BTW, reading this I gather that You should take a look at LayerFS by Feldner & Braun Software which does this generally as a filing system. If You want to contact them all I currently have is an a-mail anno '95: pelzi@orsino.uni-bayreuth.de Please come back to me if this does not work any more. Kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 From julian@southern.co.nz Wed Jun 3 18:55:49 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68165 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:55:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896893710:10:09139:3; Wed, 03 Jun 98 17:08:30 GMT Received: from cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1103088; 3 Jun 98 17:08 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (pppd010.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.10]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA12193 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 05:08:00 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Thu,04 Jun 1998.05:12:33 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 05:08:50 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OP mailing Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980603.013417.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c In message <19980603.013417.40@pilling.demon.co.uk> cdowns@argonet.co.uk (Cliff Downs) wrote: > On Tue 2 Jun 98 (03:39:37 +0100), steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk wrote: > [snip] > > > > In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist > > setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader > > with deficiencies. > > Oh Dear Steve, > > Where is the compassion in you? > > There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed > incomes, students etc... > > Just a prefix of [OvP] would be more than sufficient or of course you > could send the appropriate cheques addressed to Jon Doddington for me > and others who requested this change in order to obtain their copies > of Pluto. `Just a prefix of [OvP]' would be irritating to me, and cause me work as I amended my POP fetcher to strip it out on arrival. Which brings us back to "Why alter it when it works?" In any case, I'm afraid that the `necessary cash' argument is not appropriate here, as Messenger and Newsbase are both entirely free. (And no, I'm not entertaining the `It's too hard to set up' whine, because, apart from being untrue, I'm even prepared to help ensure it's setup properly. As are numerous others, including the authors of the two programs) > I think that this subject has been flogged enough and should be laid > to rest now. I agree, and will accordingly shut up past this. If anyone feels like continuing in email, that's cool, though. -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From allan@mnhepd.hep.umn.edu Wed Jun 3 18:56:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68168 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 18:56:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896892338:20:04525:2; Wed, 03 Jun 98 16:45:38 GMT Received: from mnhepd.hep.umn.edu ([128.101.211.131]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2123068; 3 Jun 98 16:45 GMT Received: by mnhep1.hep.umn.edu for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:45:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:45:28 -0500 From: Graham Allan To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <980603114528.21604c3a@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> Subject: Re: OP mailing >> In general I'd say it is a bit of a cheek to ask for the whole maillist >> setup to be altered to suit a small group who are using a mail reader >> with deficiencies. > >Oh Dear Steve, > >Where is the compassion in you? > >There are some of us who do not have the necessary cash; fixed incomes, >students etc... Will just point out briefly that you *can* get the functionality for free with Newsbase/Messenger/TTFN. >I think that this subject has been flogged enough and should be laid to rest >now. Oops. Graham From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 21:05:29 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68180 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 21:05:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896901379:10:17601:6; Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:16:19 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1017805; 3 Jun 98 19:16 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhJ19-00012K-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:16:11 +0000 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:12:23 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980603.013352.54@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Wed 03 Jun, Richard Cassidy wrote: > Is it me or does OP 2.50 have a really bad problem rendering draw/artworks > files? > > They seem to be there when printed but they have a rather nasty habit of > redrawing either partially or completely white on screen! This happens > with both old and new docs and the two most recent versions !OArtWrks > applet. It was fine in 2.49. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Cheers, > Richard I had this prob in 2.49; Mr P (He Of Godlike Status Whose Files Must Be Set To Obey, Force and Newer) said it was a prob with the old version of the colour supplement; mine seems to work OK after upgrading the applet- beforehand I just had blank draw frames! > > -- > richard@graphitedesign.co.uk > _______________________________________________________________________ > Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk > > Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk > Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Wed Jun 3 21:05:43 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68183 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 03 Jun 98 21:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896900521:20:17043:0; Wed, 03 Jun 98 19:02:01 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2103833; 3 Jun 98 19:01 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhInL-0007me-00; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 19:01:55 +0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:33:26 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Wee tip- already mentioned before... To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Just a reminder about a very useful tip someone posted to the group ages ago: If you change aspect to a negative number in a picture frame eg 100 to -100 the image is flipped over horizontally. Just thought a reminder was needed. Any more little tips? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From waddell@which.net Thu Jun 4 00:06:21 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68198 for david ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 00:06:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896912498:20:24815:6; Wed, 03 Jun 98 22:21:38 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2024697; 3 Jun 98 22:21 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.101.26]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAC8610 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:21:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 22:42:10 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: A combination of !HideDoc and !Document applets To: David Pilling Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Thank you for pointing me in the direction of the easily recallable bin facility I desired. !HideDoc does exactly what I want. Purrfick! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From kerslake@sees.bangor.ac.uk Thu Jun 4 13:51:21 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68285 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:51:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896953710:10:17104:1; Thu, 04 Jun 98 09:48:30 GMT Received: from hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk ([147.143.102.8]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1103724; 4 Jun 98 9:48 GMT From: Mr J P Kerslake Date: Thu, 4 Jun 98 10:48:23 BST Message-Id: <12404.9806040948@hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk> Received: from aphrodite.sees.bangor.ac.uk by hermes.sees.bangor.ac.uk; Thu, 4 Jun 98 10:48:23 BST To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Jun 2 03:50:13 1998 > From: kerslake (Mr J P Kerslake) > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 03:40:49 +0100 > Organization: > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > X-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Jun 98 16:44:04 BST > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > Content-Length: 1640 > > > From root@pilling.demon.co.uk Sun May 31 03:02:17 1998 > > From:(Ian Worrall) > > Sender: root@pilling.demon.co.uk > > Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 02:26:42 +0100 > > Organization: > > Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. > > To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L > > Reply-To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk > > X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 06:20:18 +0100 > > X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS > > Content-Length: 755 > > > > On 30 May, Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > > > I have an A3010 (4 megs +320M HD) & HP500C inkjet printer. > > > > > (A) Since upgrading OVp via the web to V2.48 i have 2 minor problems:- > > > > > > > > > (B) I upgraded to Printers V 1.53 at Wakfield. Since then I have been > > > unable to view print margins. Ticking the view options box "print > > > margins" etc produces no effect. > > > > You _do_ have a printer driver loaded when trying this? > > > > Most applications read the paper size for margins from the printer driver, > > No driver=no margins. > > > > > > -- > > Ian Worrall mailto: ian@keinyuri.u-net.com > > yes HP 500C printer driver loaded. > It prints OK I just cannot see the margins > I have tried using an a3 document. this has the margins. However an a4 does not. This is fine except I that the bottom 12 mm & the right 6 mm are not printed. I am using a HP 500C, on an A3010 (4megs+320M HD). I have created a master frame covering the printable area, as a work arround. Still I thought that the printer margins should match the printable area. John Percy Kerslake B.Sc, F.B.I.S., kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Webb= http://www.sees.bangor.ac.uk/~kerslake/bio.htm Pager=01426-235878 Dysliexia rules k o My spell checker dosen't work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station From sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 4 13:55:11 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68289 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:55:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896942369:20:18939:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 06:39:29 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2118853; 4 Jun 98 6:39 GMT Received: from ilfprep.demon.co.uk ([194.222.45.155]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1029024; 4 Jun 98 6:39 GMT From: Terry Worton Organization: Ilford Preparatory School Message-ID: To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Upgrading References: <19980604.015423.45@pilling.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 07:38:42 BST X-Mailer: Offlite 0.09 / Termite Internet for Acorn RISC OS > Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then > upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? It sounds like you need to network your machines. Surely even if you didn't reinstall 2.46, you would still need to upgrade 72 machines, which seems extreme in any case. At our school we have a network copy of OP and to upgrade the copy used by all our machines I only have to do the upgrade once (The upgrade works fine on 2.46n). I feel it only fair to point out that the network upgrade is a bonus and despite the limitations, it is still much better than having to return the original discs by post. I think that the hard work put in by DP is often undervalued and he must wonder at times if it is worth it. Personally I think he is doing an excellent job. -- >From Terry Worton Tel: 0181-599 8822 x24 Ilford Preparatory School Fax: 0181-597 2797 Carnegie Buildings Email: sysadmin@ilfprep.demon.co.uk 785 High Road, Seven Kings Ilford, Essex, IG3 8RR, England --------------------------------------------------------------------- From andy.ling@quantel.com Thu Jun 4 13:55:14 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68290 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:55:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896943418:20:25681:1; Thu, 04 Jun 98 06:56:58 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2127552; 4 Jun 98 6:56 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA31370 for ; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 08:06:08 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id HAA28815 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:54:56 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <00256619.002B9251.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 07:58:41 +0000 Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. [snip...] >BTW, reading this I gather that You should take a look at LayerFS >by Feldner & Braun Software which does this generally as a filing >system. If You want to contact them all I currently have is an a-mail A quick search showed their web page to be :- http://www.spektracom.de/flying-snail/ Andy Ling From bric@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 4 13:55:41 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68293 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 13:55:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896948009:20:28924:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 08:13:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2124984; 4 Jun 98 8:13 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.29) [193.130.245.29] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhV9K-0002Id-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 09:13:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 07:57:06 +0100 Message-ID: <4850cc77e9bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 In-Reply-To: <19980604.015444.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 04 Jun, Stan Collier wrote: > I have not been able to upgrade from 2.46 to 2.49. ^^^^ Do make /sure/ it really was v2.46 you started from. See my posting 'Upgrading: additional help'. > I have followed the instructions and eventually clicked > on Upgrade. The upgrade continues until it is over 90 > percent complete but then stops with the error message, > Input data exhausted. ....... etc, Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 4 15:24:22 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68322 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 15:24:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896970254:10:01511:3; Thu, 04 Jun 98 14:24:14 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001456; 4 Jun 98 14:24 GMT Received: from (193.130.254.109) [193.130.254.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhaw4-0007BY-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:24:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 10:08:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4850d878a6stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: More printing troubles. Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > Now, if I ask OP to print the right hand pages, it does so with an inside > > margin of 32.5 mm and when I print the left hand pages, it prints those > > with a 37.5 mm inside margin. In the past when I have printed double > > sided documents from OP using the same master page, the inside margins on > > both left and right handed pages has come out at the required 35 mm. > What happens if left and right pages are printed at the same time? It doesn't appear to make any difference whether I print left and right together or separately, the margins still come out as described as above. The only way I have found to get it to print correctly is to untick the "centre" option in Print setup and then set the x-offset to 2.5 mm. > > Another thing I have just noticed happening whilst printing, is that it > > now refuses to print in the background.... > How about the upgrade to 2.50. I could easily imagine that the > printchoices() function values have changed. Sorry, you're absolutely correct, the first variable within printchoices() (inside !Choices) had now been set to zero. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| From malcolm@digidark.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 4 17:24:07 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68335 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 17:24:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896973455:20:12974:2; Thu, 04 Jun 98 15:17:35 GMT Received: from post-11.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2012916; 4 Jun 98 15:17 GMT Received: from (digidark.demon.co.uk) [194.222.19.108] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhbld-0006et-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 15:17:26 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:05:21 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Knight Subject: Re: Sending subscribed OP mail to Newlist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980604.015430.55@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Insufficient X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Thu 04 Jun, Tony wrote: > Does any know how to get the ANT internet suite to send all the ovation mail > to the newsgroup reader - I've tried following the > > Thanks I presume you were going to say "tried following the ANT instructions". I'm pleased I am not alone in not being able to access this ANT facility. If anyone has I'd like to hear 'how' too. -- Malcolm From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Thu Jun 4 17:24:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68338 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 17:24:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896977457:10:14259:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 16:24:17 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014055; 4 Jun 98 16:24 GMT Received: from (tyto.demon.co.uk) [194.222.110.18] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhcnx-0004Dl-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 17:23:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:10:53 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Autorun choices error message To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Return-Receipt-To: paul@tyto.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:15:48 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Applets not working and odd error message To: Ovation Pro Support Dear all I have just upgraded to version 2.50 without a hitch, and everything seemed to be working fine, except when I try running some of the applets. The following do not work when I filer_boot my copy of Opro: Documents Stationery Abbreviations When I click on them nothing happens; the menu disappears as if nothing has happened. and when I try making changes to the default settings/macros, I get an error message "could not open (pathname) Autorun.!Choices" I quit, reboot, and then get an error message (pathname)!words.dictionary not found, and the program does not load as it did previously. When I dc on !Ovnresdir and !Words then there is no problem; applets work and dictionary works fine. I have no other copies at all of OPro, and deleted all copies before installing a new one from scratch ready for the 2.50 upgrade. Then I sh/dc'd on !Ovnresdir and !words to set the paths, as per normal. Any ideas? Everything else seems to work fine! Dear all Following my recent mailing above, I have checked the pathname following the advice of someone- and it is pointing to my old folder (which I deleted)! Where is OPro getting the pathnames? I have Menubar running on bootup, but have made sure the reference is to my new copy of OPro, and the !Boot file points correctly to my new (and only) OPro directory. I thought I would be clever, and renamed the folder to the old version, then got an error message about the !ColSupp Choices summat or other not found- I can't win! Much help muchly appreciated. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" From steyan@argonet.co.uk Thu Jun 4 22:23:52 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68357 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 04 Jun 98 22:23:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 896995020:10:11981:0; Thu, 04 Jun 98 21:17:00 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011906; 4 Jun 98 21:16 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.36) [193.130.251.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhhNT-00071Q-00; Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:16:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 03 Jun 98 22:21:32 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I too have noticed this effect in OP 250. It can be made to disappear by scrolling down a document, so that the offending partly redrawn vector graphic is off screen, and then returning to it. As you say, the hardcopy is fine, but the screen distortion disconcerting. Not quite WYSIWYG! -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From niccox@aol.com Fri Jun 5 13:56:55 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68402 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:56:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897028857:10:05898:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 06:40:57 GMT Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.38]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122256; 5 Jun 98 6:40 GMT Received: from NicCox@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv14_b1.1) id IYFJa04556 for ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:40:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:40:41 EDT To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Upgrading Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0.i for Windows sub 177 << Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? Martin Devon Stonar School >> Sounds like a good way to introduce some of the students to the ways of the computer world ! Nic Cox Bedford School From michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Fri Jun 5 13:56:58 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68404 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:56:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897033705:10:25201:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 08:01:45 GMT Received: from gatea.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.10]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1025138; 5 Jun 98 8:01 GMT Received: from w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk [132.185.49.99]) by bbcgate.bbc.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.2) with ESMTP id Received: from w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk (unverified [132.185.49.42]) by w12wcxi03.wc.bbc.co.uk (Integralis SMTPRS 2.04) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:59:41 +0100 Message-Id: Received: by w12wcxi02.wc.bbc.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:01:14 +0100 From: Mike Hunter To: "'Ovation List Posting'" Subject: Re: Printers 1.53 & blank pages. Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 09:08:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Mr J P Kerslake wrote: > I have an A3010 (4 megs +320M HD) & HP500C inkjet printer. > (B) I upgraded to Printers V 1.53 at Wakfield. Since then I have been > unable to view print margins. Ticking the view options box "print > margins" etc produces no effect. I have a similar set-up but use CC Turbo Drivers. There are no problems viewing print margins. I recently bought a new HP printer and ran it for a few days using Printers 1.53 (before I got the HP upgrade turbo driver) there were no problems. Do you see print margins in other packages eg Draw? This might help identify if it is a Printers or OvationPro problem. Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan From steveno@lx.student.wau.nl Fri Jun 5 13:57:05 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68408 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 13:57:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897038756:10:13041:4; Fri, 05 Jun 98 09:25:56 GMT Received: from net.wau.nl ([137.224.10.12]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127658; 5 Jun 98 9:25 GMT Received: from riscpc.student.wau.nl (Flex083.Dijkgraaf.WAU.NL) by NET.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.1-10 #23446) with SMTP id <01IXVJD4UEGY001H60@NET.WAU.NL> for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 11:28:33 GMT +0100 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 11:24:38 +0200 (BST) From: "Steven M. Ottens" Subject: Re: Sending subscribed OP mail to Newlist In-reply-to: <19980605.014502.42@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Message-id: X-Organization: Wageningen Agriculture University, http://www.wau.nl/ MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII In on Fri 05 Jun, Malcolm Knight wrote: > On Thu 04 Jun, Tony wrote: > > Does any know how to get the ANT internet suite to send all the ovation mail > > to the newsgroup reader - I've tried following the > > > > Thanks > > I presume you were going to say "tried following the ANT instructions". I'm > pleased I am not alone in not being able to access this ANT facility. If > anyone has I'd like to hear 'how' too. > The answer is quite simple when you know where to find it. I've been strugling for some days to find it. I finnaly found it in the help of !Inetsuite 1.29f. I hope you can do it now, but when u can't please mail me for the answer. I don't think all the non-ANT-users want to hear the whole story. greetings -- Steven Ottens aka GraphRisc WWW: http://www.student.wau.nl/~steveno =>Newsgroups: for reply delete: CUT.THIS From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 5 18:59:14 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68435 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 18:59:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897066171:10:04482:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 17:02:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1004387; 5 Jun 98 17:02 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.35) [193.130.253.35] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yhzt7-0005eK-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 18:02:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 08:38:08 +0100 Message-ID: <4851540f7edf.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: 2.50 vector rendering problems In-Reply-To: <19980605.014516.50@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 05 Jun, Steve Yandell wrote: > I too have noticed this effect in OP 250. It can be made to disappear by > scrolling down a document, so that the offending partly redrawn vector > graphic is off screen, and then returning to it. As you say, the > hardcopy is fine, but the screen distortion disconcerting. Not quite > WYSIWYG! I've just tried this again, after having a go when first reported, I must confess I cannot make it happen on my OP 2.50. That's with a largish vector graphic, two coloured geometric shapes, Grade 999 times. Of course on my SARPC the redraws are almost instantaneous... But I do remember how long such redraws used to take pre SA. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.08h From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Jun 5 19:58:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68469 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 19:58:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897072922:20:03211:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 18:55:22 GMT Received: from post-12.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2106731; 5 Jun 98 18:54 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yi1dJ-0002KT-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:54:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 05 Jun 98 19:01:21 GMT Message-Id: <68438@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: D.A.Symes >> I too have noticed this effect in OP 250. It can be made to disappear by >> scrolling down a document, so that the offending partly redrawn vector >> graphic is off screen, and then returning to it. As you say, the >> hardcopy is fine, but the screen distortion disconcerting. Not quite >> WYSIWYG! >I've just tried this again, after having a go when first reported, I must >confess I cannot make it happen on my OP 2.50. All this stuff is of course the classic symptom of not having a colour supplement installed or having the wrong version installed i.e. failing to upgrade it when you upgrade the main program. From: Mr J P Kerslake >I have tried using an a3 document. this has the margins. However an a4 does not. >This is fine except I that the bottom 12 mm & the right 6 mm are not printed. I would say then that the A4 paper is defined wrongly. ISTR you have to click OK in all the right places to get a new paper definition used. From: Stephen Brown >> > Now, if I ask OP to print the right hand pages, it does so with an inside >> > margin of 32.5 mm and when I print the left hand pages, it prints those >> > with a 37.5 mm inside margin. In the past when I have printed double >> > sided documents from OP using the same master page, the inside margins on >> > both left and right handed pages has come out at the required 35 mm. >It doesn't appear to make any difference whether I print left and right >together or separately, the margins still come out as described as above. >The only way I have found to get it to print correctly is to untick the >"centre" option in Print setup and then set the x-offset to 2.5 mm. One thing about printers, is that for all the software involved you can often physically shift the paper sideways - thats one way of getting an X offset. I guess I'd experiment and see if other software has a systematic error when printing. From: Paul Hutton >Just thought a reminder was needed. Any more little tips? One I often find myself using, is if I have some text in one document which I want to copy into another document, but I don't want any style information copying over, or new styles being auto created. What you do is mark off the source text, then pop up the main menu, file->save selection and drag the save box to the destination text area. Copies just the text, nothing else. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From steyan@argonet.co.uk Fri Jun 5 22:40:42 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68479 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 05 Jun 98 22:40:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897080444:20:00284:0; Fri, 05 Jun 98 21:00:44 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2000277; 5 Jun 98 21:00 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.36) [193.130.251.36] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yi3bN-00022r-00; Fri, 5 Jun 1998 22:00:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 04 Jun 98 22:51:14 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: For information regarding S.W.Collier's problem: I have installed without difficulty the upgrade to 2.49 on an old A5000 (25Mhz) with 4Mb ram, and OP works fine. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From waddell@which.net Sat Jun 6 02:09:27 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68518 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 02:09:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897094885:20:08409:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 01:01:25 GMT Received: from mail1-gui.server.which.net ([194.168.97.3]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2008391; 6 Jun 98 1:01 GMT Received: from waddell.which.net ([194.168.102.41]) by mail1-gui.server.which.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO203-101c) ID# 0-33929U70000L2S50) with SMTP id AAD20194 for ; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 02:01:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:02:53 +0100 (BST) From: John Waddell Subject: Re: A Transparent 'Bin' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980604.015333.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Thu 04 Jun, D.A.Symes wrote: > On 03 Jun, John Waddell wrote: > > Does anyone else share my view that the following, on my personal wish > > list, might be a good idea for OP? > > > There is software which holds discarded files in a 'bin' until switch > > off, when it is 'binned'. **I don't use it because it is extra work > > when I am busy.** This means that I occasionally get caught out, having > > deleted a file before realising that I want to alter and reprint it! > > A laudable enough request...But considering, "BlackHole", "Recycler", > "Safedel"(etc) and many other such applications are all ready available. > Perhaps the time and effort might be more usefully expended in other OvPro > areas. :-) ) > Ouch! [Please see **.....** above. I did notice the :-)!] The important bit (snipped) was In fact David Pilling (thanks again Dave) pointed me in the specific direction of the applet !HideDoc which caters exactly for my needs, it will even hold several versions of my proformas, with the same name, saved separately. For example, if I pull in my 'Memo' pro forma, I can send a missive and simply CTRL-Close it into !HideDoc. I can use the 'Memo' pro forma a number of times and !HideDoc it away without having to save it first under an alternative name. Easy then to call them all up, all named 'Memo', if I decide to rework any of them or other documents. Brilliant! PS Dave, are you a teacher by any chance? :-), :-), :-)! -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire From m.r.devon@bath.ac.uk Sat Jun 6 14:19:53 1998 Received: from punt-21.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68525 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:19:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897115300:20:06059:9; Sat, 06 Jun 98 06:41:40 GMT Received: from pat.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.2]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa2126926; 6 Jun 98 6:41 GMT Received: (qmail 18522 invoked from network); 6 Jun 1998 06:41:32 -0000 Received: from ss1.bath.ac.uk (HELO bath.ac.uk) (mmdf@138.38.32.41) by pat.bath.ac.uk with SMTP; 6 Jun 1998 06:41:32 -0000 Received: from ppp09-annex.bath.ac.uk by ss1.bath.ac.uk id aa18059; 6 Jun 98 7:41 BST Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 07:40:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Martin Devon Subject: upgrading To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: M.R. Devon Consulting Engineer, Bath X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Fri 05 Jun, Terry Worton wrote: > > Am I really expected to reinstall 2.46 from 2 floppy discs and then > > upgrade, AND DO THIS SEVENTY-TWO TIMES? > > It sounds like you need to network your machines. Surely even if you > didn't reinstall 2.46, you would still need to upgrade 72 machines, > which seems extreme in any case. > I think that the hard work put in by DP is often undervalued and he > must wonder at times if it is worth it. Personally I think he is doing > an excellent job. They are networked, of course. But almost all apps are served locally. You can't realistically expect to run a megabyte of OPro into 72 (mostly) Strongarm machines on demand over the net with a serious quality of service, sometimes 22 hours a day. The net here is for data, including at many times a continuous megabit of Internet traffic. Maybe I'll think differently when I've got a server switch installed this autumn and I can serve OPro at 100Mbits from Phoebe. Other upgrades can be done over the net - I can just run an Obey script which is quick and easy, a few seconds each machine. Upgrades for Datapower, Fireworkz, Fresco, you name it - are all done that way, regardless of the previous version number. The present answer of course is to hide a 2.46 somewhere and upgrade over that. Pity I didn't think of that before I did 2.49 :-( David's work is not at all undervalued, in fact very much the opposite. The ability to talk to developers in the way we are able is worth a great deal. I once suggested to a Microsoft dealer that WFW might work differently... It seems in fact that matters like the upgrade difficulty actually cause problems for David which ought to be quite unnecessary. > (Aside) Is David considering a Java version of OPro? Martin Devon Stonar School -- From bric@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 6 14:20:06 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68531 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:20:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897120453:10:07245:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 08:07:33 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007179; 6 Jun 98 8:07 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.109) [193.130.246.109] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiE0g-00002R-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 09:07:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 08:02:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4851d49764bric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08j for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Printing margins In-Reply-To: <19980606.020651.02@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 06 Jun, David Pilling wrote: [other problems snipped] > From: Stephen Brown > >> > Now, if I ask OP to print .... [snip] .... and right handed > >> > pages has come out at the required 35 mm. > >It doesn't appear to make any difference whether I print left and > >right together or separately, the margins still come out as > >described as above. The only way I have found to get it to print > >correctly is to untick the "centre" option in Print setup and then > >set the x-offset to 2.5 mm. > One thing about printers, is that for all the software involved you > can often physically shift the paper sideways - thats one way of > getting an X offset. I guess I'd experiment and see if other > software has a systematic error when printing. Also, I have found that the /actual/ print margins are not always the same as given in the manual (eg, my Epson SC 800). It is worth checking by printing lines from extreme edge to edge from !Draw and measuring the actual dimensions, then resetting Paper Sizes in !Printers. I don't think this is relevant to /this/ problem, but it is worth doing anyway. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ______________________________________________________________ From swcollier@argonet.co.uk Sat Jun 6 14:20:11 1998 Received: from punt-11.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA68533 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 06 Jun 98 14:20:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 897132443:10:01796:0; Sat, 06 Jun 98 11:27:23 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107790; 6 Jun 98 11:27 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.197) [193.130.250.197] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yiH81-0002Bp-00; Sat, 6 Jun 1998 12:27:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Stan Collier) Reply-To: swcollier@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 6 Jun 98 11:25:56 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: upgrading: 2.46 to 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 5 Jun 98 (01:44:48 +0100), bric@argonet.co.uk wrote: >Do make /sure/