From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 1 13:40:46 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61012 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 13:40:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891430096:05:02551:0; Wed, 01 Apr 98 11:28:16 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1507430; 1 Apr 98 11:28 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yKLge-0005y2-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:28:09 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:36:00 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:35:48 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980331.025750.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980331.025750.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > From: D.A.Symes > > >The fly in the ointment seems to be Zap (V1.39B8)... > > Someone said you had to set up Zap to release the clip board. > Another area of possible bugs is that you may need to have everything > running before you copy something to the clip board so that all the tasks > know who currently owns it. > > > > From: Keith Hopper > > > A pamphlet style document containing graphic 'backdrop' material > >which, according to the frame and picture modification windows have the > >graphics butted together in the middle of a two-page display. On the > >screen, apart from the single pixel grey 'edge' between facing pages the > >images do indeed appear contiguous. Print the document, however, and the > >two images have a fine white vertical line > > Hmm. I'd be inclined to worry if the print format script should be > edited to allow some bleed onto the adjoining page. And perhaps > allow the objects to go over the page edges on screen. > > > >Since I cannot put a frame across a pair of pages (well, strictly > >speaking I haven't found out how to do this if it is possible!) > > Another thing we never got around to. The object dbox's and some of the > code supports a 'spread' button. > This was 'promised' at least three years ago. It was one of the features I was very much looking forward too. Even MS Publisher can do it. So if it were possible I would welcome it, but *after* the professional output issues have been solved first. -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au Wed Apr 1 13:47:20 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61015 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 13:47:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891397807:11:07281:8; Wed, 01 Apr 98 02:30:07 GMT Received: from gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au ([129.96.250.33]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1426076; 1 Apr 98 2:29 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SM Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980401125358.00911a80@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:53:58 +0900 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: 2 up dup on A4 In-Reply-To: <19980401.022229.16@pilling.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rob Hemmings wrote: >Thanks for this and the other suggestions. However, I really want to be able >to print the same page either as a single A4 (for a poster) or as a pair of >identical A5s (for a handbill). One approach, with the benefit of increased print resolution, would be to print two copies at A4, lay them side by side, and photocopy reduce them from A3 to A4 (assuming your p-copier does that). But me thinks... How useful might it be to be able (with one or two clicks) to duplicate the contents of an entire page in OPro? Say I want several, non sequential, pages with the same placement of frames, graphics, and text. A master page for a chapter means they have to be together, and it could be a lot of work to copy, position and paste everything one by one. 'Duplicate page' would solve Bob's problem -- copy the page and print as a phamplet. Something for V3 :-) cpc From ljg@star.le.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 13:47:34 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61020 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 13:47:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891426971:10:03215:2; Wed, 01 Apr 98 10:36:11 GMT Received: from venus.le.ac.uk ([143.210.16.123]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1408483; 1 Apr 98 10:36 GMT Received: from ltsun0.le.ac.uk (actually host ltsun0.star.le.ac.uk) by venus.le.ac.uk with SMTP (local); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:35:47 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 11:34:53 +0100 (BST) From: Liam Gretton Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980331.025528.17@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, Leicester University X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 31 Mar, Ian Lowry wrote: > I think we should campaign to standardise the keys on the Global Clipboard > before this mess gets entrenched. Well, ctrl-c and ctrl-v are pretty standard. You can redefine the keys easily enough in Zap to do this, and I'm sure the same's true of StrongEd. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk Space Research Centre, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Physics and Astronomy Dept, phone +44 (0) 116 252 3501 Leicester University, fax +44 (0) 116 252 2464 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK From mlb1@ukc.ac.uk Wed Apr 1 20:05:01 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61077 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 20:05:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891456486:15:17834:0; Wed, 01 Apr 98 18:48:06 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.21.10]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517814; 1 Apr 98 18:48 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:47:49 +0100 Received: from pcbi10 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id TAA18680; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 19:47:48 +0100 Message-ID: <35228C35.25AC@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 19:49:25 +0100 From: MattLB Organization: UKC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: More font/printing stuff References: <19980401.022328.46@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another font/printing observation. I had typed out a side of A4 using non-mapping-to-Postscript fonts. This page when printed to file was very large, so I substituted most of the fonts for mappable ones (Homerton,Pembroke, Trinity and Sidney). The Postscript file shrank a lot, but not as much as I expected (not that I really have any idea how big one should be). Looking at the Postscript file in Zap, it had the font info, for some of the fonts I had replaced, still in it - despite there being no trace of them on the page. Saving and reloading to flush the undo buffer didn't help. Is there anyway to flush unused fonts before printing? Similarly, would it be possible to give a warning if the only existence of a font is as a space (or return) ie. no actual font character? This would allow removal/replacement of the offending space or spaces so that the entire character set for that font doesn't get encoded into the Postscript file for the sake of a blank space. MattLB From bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Wed Apr 1 20:23:26 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61091 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 20:23:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891457995:09:01822:0; Wed, 01 Apr 98 19:13:15 GMT Received: from noc.belwue.de ([129.143.2.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1411654; 1 Apr 98 19:13 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by noc.belwue.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA00122 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:13:05 +0200 (MET DST) env-from (bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de) Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:13:01 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:28:06 +0200 Message-ID: <48300b3ed2bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980401.022335.82@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 01 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > From: Stefan Bellon > >Here in Germany they're rather cheap! I've had the possibility to get > >two 64 MB SIMMs (but used ones) for 250 DM each, that is about 85ukp > >each. I think they're much more expensive in UK, aren't they? > Maybe we should club together and buy a batch from Germany? > Only snag is they don't work on Acorns 8-) Oh yes, they do! They work with every program except OvationPro, that's sad, but a fact! I had my StrongARM-RiscPC working with 130MB for over a week! And *every* program, including Impression Publisher, Artworks, Studio24Pro (which is a dream with that much memory!), the ANT InetSuite II and PCPro (!) worked without any problems! Only OvationPro crashed when loading. That's a fact, sorry. So I got rid of the SIMMs and am now back to 50MB. BTW: The 64MB-SIMMs were EDO and worked! Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 1 21:54:12 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61092 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 21:54:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891458663:09:06278:12; Wed, 01 Apr 98 19:24:23 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1111425; 1 Apr 98 19:24 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yKT7J-0006GU-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:24:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 20:17:01 GMT Message-Id: <61089@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Carl Cepurneek >But me thinks... How useful might it be to be able (with one or two clicks) >to duplicate the contents of an entire page in OPro? Say I want several, Given you are doing a one page design - so you don't have master frames or autolinked frames, then it's easy to just select everything on the page, copy to the clip board. Then generate another page, and paste the clipboard onto it. Large scale copying or rotation like that is quite feasible. From: MattLB >Saving and reloading to flush the undo buffer didn't help. Click on misc->Min memory. Loading and saving only clears the undo buffer if your copy is set up to not save it with the document. >Is there anyway to flush unused fonts before printing? Similarly, would >it be possible to give a warning if the only existence of a font is as a >space (or return) ie. no actual font character? I'm not so sure about the logic there. Even if there's only a space it's width is part of the font definition. Unless the PS driver removes spaces. Your main point is very valid though. OPro currently declares all the fonts in the document. It would occasionally (as with pictures) be more efficient to just declare those on what was actually going to be printed. Although that would make printing slower. In addition if OPro loses count of the font uses, it will declare fonts that are never used. The only way out of that is the painstaking one of saving as DDL and then chopping out the unused fonts by hand. From: Stefan Bellon >Oh yes, they do! They work with every program except OvationPro, that's >sad, but a fact! If you ever get into this position again, let me know, there are things I can do to find out why OPro is crashing. I'd place the likely causes in the order; OPro uses more memory than your other programs, or bashes it in some legal way they don't happen to. Copy protection problems. A bug. From: "Coulter" >I have OP 2.48 and Zap 1.39 beta 10 >how do you enable the global clipboard for either of these ??? You need OPro 2.49. Then use general choices. As to Zap. According to the docs it uses the clipboard by default. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From coulter@tinet.ie Wed Apr 1 21:55:36 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61094 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 21:54:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891460458:05:21520:5; Wed, 01 Apr 98 19:54:18 GMT Received: from spock.tinet.ie ([159.134.237.8]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0521545; 1 Apr 98 19:54 GMT Received: from default (p26-as1.dubexs.tinet.ie [159.134.224.26]) by spock.tinet.ie (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA30927 for ; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:54:06 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00f901bd5da7$96828660$1ae0869f@default> From: "Coulter" To: Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 17:06:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 > I have the clipboard enabled in OP and am using Zap 1.39 beta 9. I have OP 2.48 and Zap 1.39 beta 10 how do you enable the global clipboard for either of these ??? >OvPro seems to use CNTL C (copy) and CNTL V (paste) > >Zap (139b10) uses CNTL E (copy) and CNTL Y (paste) -- Iain Coulter Check out http://www.compapp.dcu.ie/~icoult.ca4/ for a Java based DrawFile rendered ( Very little working at present though :-( ) From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 1 21:55:38 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61095 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 21:55:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891461057:12:12714:0; Wed, 01 Apr 98 20:04:17 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1212704; 1 Apr 98 20:04 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yKTk6-00018m-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 21:04:14 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:19:13 GMT Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:18:29 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB Message-ID: <4e64f42f48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980401.022314.22@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980401.022314.22@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On 31 Mar, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > But what we'd all like to know is where can *we* can get 64meg simms > > extremely cheap! > > Here in Germany they're rather cheap! I've had the possibility to get > two 64 MB SIMMs (but used ones) for 250 DM each, that is about 85ukp > each. I think they're much more expensive in UK, aren't they? For the PC they're not too bad, although still more than 85ukp. However, as David says, they don't work in Acorns. The ones that have been designed to work in Acorns are at silly prices. My brother-in-law has something like 385mb of ram in his Mac. Will the RPC 2 be able to hold these kinds of quantities of ram, and will it be able to use PC ram? Or shouldn't I delude myself? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 1 21:55:59 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61096 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 21:55:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891461097:15:15832:0; Wed, 01 Apr 98 20:04:57 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0629559; 1 Apr 98 20:04 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2001954; 1 Apr 98 20:04 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:02:06 GMT Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 13:25:10 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: RE: Turbo Driver Message-ID: <2f1f52f48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980401.022221.59@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980401.022221.59@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Tom C wrote > > >I occasionally have a problem when printing from OvPro. For some reason, > the > >print job gets directed to a scrap file (PrintQFS) and only a ctrl-break > reset > >will restore things. It doesn't appear to follow any pattern and only > happens > >with OvPro. Any ideas? I am using OvPro 2.48 on a non-SA RPC; Turbo 4.02 > with > >Printers 1.22. > > I thought that the later Tubro drivers required versions of !Printers later > than 1.28. Try downloading !Printers 1.53 from the Acorn site > > http://www.acorn.com/ftp/riscos/releases/printers/ > > You need to download printers and apply the 'patch' printers153 > > I have found this later set up very stable with no recollection of crashes. > Even copes when I abort a job in mid flow! Does anyone know how well the Turbo drivers work with the Epson Color 500? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From mtillman@argonet.co.uk Wed Apr 1 09:34:53 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9316 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 08:34:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891411521:11:23964:1; Wed, 01 Apr 98 06:18:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1417128; 1 Apr 98 6:18 GMT Received: from (ba89) [193.130.246.205] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yKGr4-0001T5-00; Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:18:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 00:08:54 +0100 From: Martin Tillman To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) Message-ID: <482FAC1A90%mtillman@argonet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980331.025521.36@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e In message <19980331.025521.36@pilling.demon.co.uk> df.symes@argonet.co.uk (D.A.Symes) wrote: > On 28 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > > On 26 Mar, Martin Tillman wrote: > > > > > How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to > > > > > transfer copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support > > > > > the global clipboard. [snip] > > > Mind you, I can't get *anything* to copy between Publisher and Zap > > > :-[ [snip] > Interesting... On my machine, I can use the global clipboard to transfer > both ways between OvPro, Publisher and Pluto, in any combination of the > three apps. [snip] I've discovered my problem - Messenger. Without that loaded OP/IP/Zap all communicate. -- m. PGP key available From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 2 13:54:51 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61178 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 13:54:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891501202:05:13356:0; Thu, 02 Apr 98 07:13:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0513350; 2 Apr 98 7:13 GMT Received: from (193.130.243.229) [193.130.243.229] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yKeBb-0004oW-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 08:13:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 07:39:20 +0100 Message-ID: <4830592d82df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) In-Reply-To: <19980402.015246.73@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 02 Apr, Liam Gretton wrote: > On Tue 31 Mar, Ian Lowry wrote: > > I think we should campaign to standardise the keys on the Global > > Clipboard before this mess gets entrenched. > Well, ctrl-c and ctrl-v are pretty standard. You can redefine the keys > easily enough in Zap to do this, and I'm sure the same's true of > StrongEd. Oh yes... I remember, redefining Zap keys... trouble is I've now forgotten what I did...long time ago. Could some kind person Jog my memory or something... Preferably by Email as it's not really appropriate for this list... or it it? Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From dedunn@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 2 13:55:16 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61183 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 13:55:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891513175:15:27063:2; Thu, 02 Apr 98 10:32:55 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1527041; 2 Apr 98 10:32 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.47) [193.130.245.47] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yKhIb-0006m1-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:32:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 (08:11:13 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Thu 2 Apr 98 (01:53:20 +0100), ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk wrote: > My brother-in-law has something like 385mb of ram in his Mac. > Will the RPC 2 be able to hold these kinds of quantities of > ram, and will it be able to use PC ram? Or shouldn't I > delude myself? > >From discussions on the ngs, it seems very likely that 512K or more will be rhe RAM limit on the RPCII and it will accept a lot of pc stuff, both RAM & plug-in cards. Roll on September/October/November/Dec...... Dave D -- _ |_|._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ / Acorn Computers - for intelligent people globally | || (_|(_)| |(/_ |_ / dedunn@argonet.co.uk - using SA RiscPC 66M/4Gig _| / Stylus Col800, Scanflat 800, Storm DMA32, USR 56K ___________________/ Irlam 24i16. ZFC Pd, Acorn Clan member & Mensan From tedell@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 2 13:58:06 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61200 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 13:58:05 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891514401:10:06710:0; Thu, 02 Apr 98 10:53:21 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1407129; 2 Apr 98 10:53 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.149) [193.130.253.149] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yKhcJ-00073E-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:53:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Ted Lacey) Reply-To: tedell@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 2 Apr 98 11:51:54 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Wed 1 Apr 98 (02:23:35 +0100), David Pilling wrote: > >No, Sophie Wilson wrote that. David Pilling's scanning software is mine. Now up to 1.09 with >PNG import/export. > I have 1.08. Can't see any upgrade on your web site. How do I get it please? Ted -- ________________________________________________________________________________ Ted Lacey - ZFC LXXVI - Secretary of Southampton Acorn User Group - RiscPC600 - StrongArmed tedell@argonet.co.uk From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 13:58:11 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61201 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 13:58:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891519173:11:24135:1; Thu, 02 Apr 98 12:12:53 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1414155; 2 Apr 98 12:12 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yKirU-0002Px-00; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:12:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 13:12:52 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Postscript embedding Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins Hi, I have a single page of postscript which I want to embed into an Ovation Pro document, which I then print using a postscript printer. Since OP doesn't have any postcript direct manipulation facilities, I am currently converting to a high resolution sprite. However, this is not a terribly satisfactory solution since it turns a 8Kb PS file into an 8Mb bit-map, and you have to get the right resolution (not too high) otherwise the printer ignores the page. Does anybody have a better solution to my problem? Ideally this would be an applet which can just insert the embedded postscript into printed output at the appropriate stage. It would also need to include scaling and rotation facilities, though (if can remember my postscript) this shouldn't be significantly more difficult. Dave From bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Thu Apr 2 21:52:18 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61266 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 21:52:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891549380:10:29820:6; Thu, 02 Apr 98 20:36:20 GMT Received: from noc.belwue.de ([129.143.2.1]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0914751; 2 Apr 98 20:36 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by noc.belwue.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA25942 for ; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:36:11 +0200 (MET DST) env-from (bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de) Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:36:06 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:57:39 +0200 Message-ID: <483097476bbellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980402.015305.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 02 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > From: Stefan Bellon > >Oh yes, they do! They work with every program except OvationPro, > >that's sad, but a fact! > If you ever get into this position again, let me know, there are > things I can do to find out why OPro is crashing. I'd place > the likely causes in the order; Hm, I don't think, that I'll again spend money on 128 MB when I'm sure that - at least - at first Ovation Pro which I need a lot and which is BTW a really good DTP program ;-) won't work 'till you've fixed the bug. You know, I need it! That's the cause why I got rid of the 128 MB so fast. > OPro uses more memory than your other programs, or bashes it in > some legal way they don't happen to. Hm, I think it has something to with bit 31 set as you mentioned a few posts ago. It doesn't take up more memory than Pluto - when using with that much articles ;-) - or my always opened task window! > Copy protection problems. Can't comment that. > A bug. Yes, I think when requesting a memory area Ovation Pro get's back a memory area whose bit 31 is set and interprets it as a negative value. Could it be that you're using a singned instead of an unsigned variable? (I don't want to say that you cannot programme! You can! And we all now that!) BTW: Is "programme" spelt right this way? Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM From mlb1@ukc.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 23:09:59 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61270 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 23:09:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891551086:05:03984:1; Thu, 02 Apr 98 21:04:46 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.21.10]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0612148; 2 Apr 98 21:04 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:04:26 +0100 Received: from pcbi10 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id WAA25835; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:04:23 +0100 Message-ID: <3523FDB9.6444@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:06:01 +0100 From: MattLB Organization: UKC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Text justification References: <19980402.015305.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've a vague feeling this may have been mentioned before, so apologies if it's old news. Here's the drill: 1) Start a new document 2) Click centre justify 3) Click underline (or bold or italic) 4) Type something and press return The justify buttons now don't work properly. The caret jumps around in response to clicks on them, but the buttons don't change and any text typed is still centred. If you click off underline and try the justify buttons again, the underline switches itself back on (the same happens if you use bold or italic instead of underline, initially). With no text attributes selected in step 4), after pressing return, the buttons work as expected. The above is 'cured' simply by typing something and then pressing one of the justify buttons. Another way to cure it is to click 'select' anywhere on the page. The justification switches to whichever justify button was pressed last. It also defaults to Trinity 12 point, with normal text attributes. If none of the justify buttons are pressed following the return, clicking anywhere on the page has no effect on the justification. It does default the text to Trinity 12 point normal, however. I discovered in the same session, that if you V shift underlined text(from Modify text box), the underline stays put while the text is shifted upwards - which looks rather odd. As usual, does anyone/everyone else get the same results, or is it just me. MattLB SA RPC 12+1 OP 2.48 Ovation Applet only From mlb1@ukc.ac.uk Thu Apr 2 23:10:30 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61272 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 02 Apr 98 23:10:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891552679:15:16400:0; Thu, 02 Apr 98 21:31:19 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.21.10]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1516393; 2 Apr 98 21:31 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:31:05 +0100 Received: from pcbi10 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id WAA26605; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:31:03 +0100 Message-ID: <352403F7.6022@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 22:32:40 +0100 From: MattLB Organization: UKC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various References: <19980402.015305.89@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Pilling wrote: > From: MattLB > > >Saving and reloading to flush the undo buffer didn't help. > > Click on misc->Min memory. Loading and saving only clears the undo buffer > if your copy is set up to not save it with the document. > > >Is there anyway to flush unused fonts before printing? Similarly, would > >it be possible to give a warning if the only existence of a font is as a > >space (or return) ie. no actual font character? > > I'm not so sure about the logic there. Even if there's only a space > it's width is part of the font definition. Unless the PS driver removes > spaces. What I meant was if you have a space with, say, Classic font attached to it, but the rest of the text is Homerton, a warning to this effect would allow you to change the Classic space to a Homerton space, thereby reducing the size of the resulting Postscript file. > Your main point is very valid though. OPro currently declares all the fonts > in the document. It would occasionally (as with pictures) be more > efficient to just declare those on what was actually going to be printed. > Although that would make printing slower. In my case the document was only one page big, so the unused fonts weren't anywhere in the whole document (as opposed to being on a page other than the one being printed). I went throught from top left to bottom right holding down the right cursor key to check. > In addition if OPro loses count of the font uses, it will declare > fonts that are never used. The only way out of that is the painstaking > one of saving as DDL and then chopping out the unused fonts by hand. > Hmm. I've had problems with DDL and lots of fonts, as I mentioned previously, but for removing a reference to an unused font it might be okay. MattLB From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 3 02:02:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61296 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 02:02:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891561696:05:19971:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 00:01:36 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0629744; 3 Apr 98 0:01 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yKtvK-00055N-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 01:01:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 98 00:57:32 GMT Message-Id: <61281@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Ted Lacey) >>No, Sophie Wilson wrote that. David Pilling's scanning software is mine. Now up to 1.09 with >>PNG import/export. >I have 1.08. Can't see any upgrade on your web site. How do I get it please? I may do something about an upgrade on the web site. You can always post in your original disc with return postage. From: Dave Hawkins >I have a single page of postscript which I want to embed into an Ovation >Pro document, which I then print using a postscript printer. >Ideally this would be an applet which can just insert the embedded >postscript into printed output at the appropriate stage. I have that very applet. Only problem is that I stopped work on it six months back, whilst I worked out a general scheme for big images etc. If it's going to spoil things for you I could probably make it work enough for private use. I suppose another solution is to use RiscScript to convert PS->Draw, better than Sprites. From: Stefan Bellon >Yes, I think when requesting a memory area Ovation Pro get's back a >memory area whose bit 31 is set and interprets it as a negative value. Hmm. Attached below are a couple of small Basic programs someone gave me. They allow you to exhaust dyanmic area space so that addresses become -ve. OPro will then crash (groan). I've now fixed that (due to an overflow whilst binary chopping addresses). Trouble is after that, the threatened FS problems seem to appear. However 128Mb would not exhaust +ve. memory until you'd created a number of full size DA's? Maybe if you run OPro before a lot of other stuff. From: MattLB >I've a vague feeling this may have been mentioned before, so apologies > etc. etc. Yes that goes wrong for me too. >What I meant was if you have a space with, say, Classic font attached >to it, but the rest of the text is Homerton, a warning to this effect >would allow you to change the Classic space to a Homerton space, thereby >reducing the size of the resulting Postscript file. Could be something new for the PrePress applet, or a (slow) script language applet. ====================================================================================== 10 : REM >MakeDAs 11 : INPUT "Fill 2nd area (Y/N): "O$:O%=INSTR("Yy",O$) 21 : S%=-1 22 : REPEAT 40 : C%=0 50 : REPEAT 51 : C%+=1:VDU 46 52 : SYS "XOS_DynamicArea",0,-1,0,-1,0,S%,0,0,"wibble" TO ,,,A%;F% 60 : UNTIL (F% AND 1) OR (O%=0 AND A%<0) 70 : PRINT 'C%+((F% AND 1)<>0);" area(s) created." 71 : INPUT "Size (&800000=8MB; 0=stop): "S$:S%=EVAL(S$+" 0") 72 : UNTIL S%=0 10 : REM >ClearDAs 20 : C%=0 30 : SYS "OS_DynamicArea",3,-1 TO ,H% 40 : WHILE H%<>-1 50 : SYS "OS_DynamicArea",2,H% TO ,,,,,,,,S$ 60 : IF S$="wibble" C%+=1:SYS "OS_DynamicArea",1,H%:H%=-1:VDU 46 70 : SYS "OS_DynamicArea",3,H% TO ,H% 80 : ENDWHILE 90 : PRINT 'C%;" areas removed." David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Fri Apr 3 02:31:17 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61330 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 02:31:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891566682:15:29552:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 01:24:42 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0518250; 3 Apr 98 1:24 GMT Received: from helios.mpn.com (helios [194.72.65.60]) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA14903 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:24:46 +0100 (BST) Received: (from Uspuddy@localhost) by helios.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00949 for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 02:24:37 +0100 (BST) >Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17169; Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:06:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 10:38:57 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) Message-ID: <4830699F6E%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980331.025528.17@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In message <19980331.025528.17@pilling.demon.co.uk> ian@lowri.demon.co.uk (Ian Lowry) wrote: > OvPro seems to use CNTL C (copy) and CNTL V (paste) > Zap (139b10) uses CNTL E (copy) and CNTL Y (paste) Not here, it doesn't. ;-) > I think we should campaign to standardise the keys on the Global Clipboard > before this mess gets entrenched. But you can change the keymaps in OPro and Zap to suit yourself, as I have. Chris From richard@graphitedesign.co.uk Fri Apr 3 13:49:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61349 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:49:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891597931:15:26358:1; Fri, 03 Apr 98 10:05:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0527282; 3 Apr 98 10:05 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.38) [193.130.246.38] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yL3Lf-0001Wc-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:05:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Cassidy To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:27:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4830ec6e17richard@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07a for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Postscript embedding In-Reply-To: <19980403.022034.48@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Apr, Dave Hawkins wrote: > I have a single page of postscript which I want to embed into an Ovation > Pro document, which I then print using a postscript printer. Well, the best solution I can think of ATM is to run it through RiScript (available from various FTP sites) and save it out as a Draw file which can then be dropped in - if you can't do this then send it to me and I'll run it through my P* and send you a Draw/Artworks file back. > Does anybody have a better solution to my problem? Ideally this would be > an applet which can just insert the embedded postscript into printed > output at the appropriate stage. It would also need to include scaling > and rotation facilities, though (if can remember my postscript) this > shouldn't be significantly more difficult. Having said all the above, if anyone wants to produce a postscript filter for OvnPro this is something I would definately buy (or is that setting a dangerous precedent!). On the subject of major Applets, is there any news about filters for HTML and Word files - I think this has been discussed before? Best wishes, Richard -- richard@graphitedesign.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.graphitedesign.co.uk Information enquiries@graphitedesign.co.uk Sales sales@graphitedesign.co.uk From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Fri Apr 3 13:49:33 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61350 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:49:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891598515:11:08557:1; Fri, 03 Apr 98 10:15:15 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0906030; 3 Apr 98 10:15 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yL3V9-0006Z4-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:15:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:15:11 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: Dave Hawkins To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Postscript Embedding In-Reply-To: <19980403.022102.49@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, David Pilling wrote: > From: Dave Hawkins > > >I have a single page of postscript which I want to embed into an Ovation > >Pro document, which I then print using a postscript printer. > >Ideally this would be an applet which can just insert the embedded > >postscript into printed output at the appropriate stage. > > I have that very applet. Only problem is that I stopped work on it > six months back, whilst I worked out a general scheme for big images > etc. If it's going to spoil things for you I could probably > make it work enough for private use. I suppose another solution > is to use RiscScript to convert PS->Draw, better than Sprites. Is RiscScript the same as RiScript? I've got version 2.02 (1994), which is a bit of a bunch of arse as it seems to be incapable of interpreting anything produced by the Acorn Postscript drivers. Fortunately my PS was created on a UNIX box and has converted just fine, so I don't need the applet. Dave PS Is there a later version of RiScript without the above rather serious problem? Since it seems to be about 8million times faster than GhostScript and produces better results that would be cool. From rayd@argonet.co.uk Fri Apr 3 13:49:35 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61351 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:49:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891600959:09:20684:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 10:55:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1009788; 3 Apr 98 10:55 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.246.110] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yL48Q-000273-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:55:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: <0e12d8frayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB In-Reply-To: <19980403.022020.70@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 03 Apr, David Dunn wrote: > From discussions on the ngs, it seems very likely that 512K or more will > be rhe RAM limit on the RPCII and it will accept a lot of pc stuff, both > RAM & plug-in cards. Roll on September/October/November/Dec...... As little as that? Even DOS had 640k Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From magnox@zetnet.co.uk Fri Apr 3 13:49:39 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61353 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:49:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891603078:11:01989:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 11:31:18 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0903614; 3 Apr 98 11:31 GMT Received: from magnox.zetnet.co.uk (man-082.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.102]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27284 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 12:30:58 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:06:34 +0100 (BST) From: Matthew Gotts Subject: Printing separate colours To: Ovation Pro mailing list Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Norwich Computer Services X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Morning! Some time ago I wrote to this list asking if anyone could give a method of printing the separate colours in a document. What I mean is, printing just the CMY bits, then printing the black over the top. Reason is I have a BJC250, which although it is nice and fast, doesn't have the capability to have black and colour carts in at the same time. I remember this being possible some time ago, I've since worked out that Turbo Drivers must have been used, as I've discovered that this is a feature of them, but I'm not sure that I want to shell out 53quid when there may already be or could easily be a way of doing this. Is there some way of extending the colour separations printing so that instead of printing the magenta separation in black, it prints in magenta etc? Hope someone can help. Cheers Matt -- Matthew Gotts Technical Support Norwich Computer Services - +44 (0)1603 766592 http://www.paston.co.uk/ncs magnox@zetnet.co.uk From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 3 13:49:42 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61354 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:49:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891599047:15:02697:22; Fri, 03 Apr 98 10:24:07 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0629051; 3 Apr 98 10:23 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1028598; 3 Apr 98 10:23 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 02 Apr 1998 17:34:11 GMT Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 18:33:59 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: More font/printing stuff Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980402.015251.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980402.015251.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is there anyway to flush unused fonts before printing? Similarly, would > it be possible to give a warning if the only existence of a font is as a > space (or return) ie. no actual font character? This would allow > removal/replacement of the offending space or spaces so that the entire > character set for that font doesn't get encoded into the Postscript file > for the sake of a blank space. Could the prepress applet be made to tell you exactly which fonts are going to be downloaded. It could then ask you if you wanted to pull any these out. Then clicking on a nice button could do just that. Of course you might then have to go back to the document to put in character returns or spaces that were deleted in the process. Not very elegant though, but it's the germ of an idea. -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Fri Apr 3 13:49:46 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61355 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:49:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891599874:05:12518:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 10:37:54 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606452; 3 Apr 98 10:37 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yL3qs-0006iu-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:37:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 11:37:37 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Text justification In-Reply-To: <19980403.022048.60@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, MattLB wrote: > I discovered in the same session, that if you V shift underlined > text(from Modify text box), the underline stays put while the text is > shifted upwards - which looks rather odd. And if you shift it down then you get strikeout. Hurrah and huzzah, now I can do double strikeout by selecting the appropriate underline and then performing a shift. Hmmm....methinks this is not really a feature. Dave From delink@wxs.nl Fri Apr 3 16:18:05 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61371 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 16:18:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891610484:12:22435:13; Fri, 03 Apr 98 13:34:44 GMT Received: from mmp02.wxs.nl ([195.121.6.37]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611355; 3 Apr 98 13:34 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.148]) by mmp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAA321 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:30:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:06:43 +0200 Message-ID: <4831007ab1delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain I have a problem concerning italics that has been covered before. But I can't find anything about it in the last 783 postings, so here it is again: When I use Garamond as the Bodytext font and switch to italic, then OPro uses DemiBold.italic rather than Italic. The only way I found to avoid this, is defining a separate style, called Italic. But there must be a more elegant solution. Is it a bug? Will it be cured then? Second question: Is there a Dutch abbreviation module? (The one in Publisher is quite good. Can it be transferred?) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Fri Apr 3 18:14:16 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61386 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 18:14:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891622940:10:13638:6; Fri, 03 Apr 98 17:02:20 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1420661; 3 Apr 98 17:02 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yL9Nt-0000Ym-00; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:32:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:32:05 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Zoom Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins I've got a problem with zooming. What happens is that as I zoom up on a page I get a sudden jump to the first page of my document, which isn't exactly helpful. This only seems to happen at large zooms and only on the third page of the document and beyond. The conditions under which I seem to be able to replicate it are: Create three pages (all same chapter or separate chapters) Go to the third page Choose the zoom tool Then either using the mouse: Keep pressing select on the mouse. When you get to 1000% you'll find you're on the first page! Or using the keyboard: Change to anything above 402 (except 1000) then change to 1000 and you see the effect. But there's a bit of wierdness, in that once started the effect occurs every time you toggle between 1000 and about 350. However, for some number below 350 there's a reset, so going back to the 402 situation! Can anybody else get this to happen? Also, another point on the action of the Zoom tool. I find it really annoying that even if I'm just using select and adjust I don't go through a set series of zoom sizes, eg. I get 100->200->400->800->1000->500->... and can't get back to 100 without typing. Anyone else feel the same way? Dave From jwoodthorpe@csi.com Fri Apr 3 19:53:39 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61410 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 19:53:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891626817:15:15464:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 18:06:57 GMT Received: from smtp4.site1.csi.com ([149.174.183.73]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1515421; 3 Apr 98 18:06 GMT Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:06:41 -0500 Sender: JWoodthorpe@csi.com Received: from 100436.3351 (ld21-070.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.12.70]) by hil-img-ims-3.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id NAA19826 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:05:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT) From: John Woodthorpe Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <199804022038_MC2-38A8-F842@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Fri 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > From:(Ted Lacey) > > >>No, Sophie Wilson wrote that. David Pilling's scanning software is mine. Now up to 1.09 with > >>PNG import/export. > >I have 1.08. Can't see any upgrade on your web site. How do I get it please? > > I may do something about an upgrade on the web site. > You can always post in your original disc with return postage. > David, Does that go for v1.07, bought from Castle with a Mustec SCSI scanner last year? Regards, John -- John Woodthorpe - Pocket Book and Series 5 Column Editor, Archive Magazine. The Acorn-Psion Connectivity Pages http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JWoodthorpe/ From kenpaton@csi.com Fri Apr 3 22:56:56 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61431 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 03 Apr 98 22:56:54 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891636111:11:14761:0; Fri, 03 Apr 98 20:41:51 GMT Received: from smtp6.site1.csi.com ([149.174.183.75]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1114733; 3 Apr 98 20:41 GMT Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:41:44 -0500 Sender: KenPaton@csi.com Received: from 100014-2414 (ld53-066.lon.compuserve.com [195.232.28.66]) by hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.2) with SMTP id PAA23994 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:41:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:31:56 +0100 From: KenPaton To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803312037_MC2-386A-B6E5@compuserve.com> Organization: Home X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d In message <199803312037_MC2-386A-B6E5@compuserve.com> you wrote: > >> From:(Rob Hemmings) > >> > >>Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by > >>side on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page > >>reduceddown to A5.) > >> > >Open an new A4 page( sideways) > >Make a frame half the size(i.e. A5) > >Make the page you want in that frame > >Group all the objects in the frame(make sure the main frame is > >deselected.) Duplicate it and drag the duplicated frame adjacent to the > >first > >Print the A$ page as normal. > > > >I find this quite easy. Hope it helps. > > > Thanks for this and the other suggestions. However, I really want to be able > to print the same page either as a single A4 (for a poster) or as a pair of > identical A5s (for a handbill). > I have used the following method to do just that task. Create the document in a frame set to the same size as the master frame. When complete copy the frame into the clipboard and paste into a second page. You now have the two A4 pages. To get them to print in their own half of the A4 page on printout I find that it is necessary to select each frame and pull it fully to the right of the page. On printout set the print format to Galley. This works with my Epson Stylus 400 printer and hopefully should do the same with other printers. -- Ken Paton From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 4 01:53:06 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61459 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 01:53:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891649393:05:01392:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 00:23:13 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0616185; 4 Apr 98 0:23 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yLGjl-0000tH-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 01:23:09 +0100 Date: Sat, 04 Apr 98 01:17:55 GMT Message-Id: <61437@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Dave Hawkins >Is RiscScript the same as RiScript? I've got version 2.02 (1994) Probably, there's only one program. There is a commercial version called RiscScript Pro. I've never seen it, but I'd assume much more polished than the freely available one. You'll find more comment and discussion in the maillist archives, around Oct/Nov '97. From: Matthew Gotts >Is there some way of extending the colour separations printing so that >instead of printing the magenta separation in black, it prints in magenta I can't think of an easy solution. If there was a lot of demand I could make the program do the work. From: Alan Muscat >Could the prepress applet be made to tell you exactly which fonts are >going to be downloaded. It could then ask you if you wanted to pull any >these out. There is a font list applet which will tell you all the fonts used in the document, they're the ones which are going to be downloaded (plus any used in vector graphics files). But yes there is the basis of a feature here. From: Paul Sprangers >When I use Garamond as the Bodytext font and switch to italic, then >OPro uses DemiBold.italic rather than Italic. A matter which has been well thrashed out here. Just needs me to plunge back into the code and "improve" matters (again). >Is there a Dutch abbreviation module? Hyphenation? No, but I'm interested. From: Dave Hawkins >I've got a problem with zooming. What happens is that as I zoom up on a >page I get a sudden jump to the first page of my document, Looks like a bug to me, I will see about fixing it. >annoying that even if I'm just using select and adjust I don't go through >a set series of zoom sizes, eg. I get 100->200->400->800->1000->500->... Obviously the cut at 1000 does the damage. I don't know, we got to the current scheme after user feedback. From: Richard Cassidy >On the subject of major Applets, is there any news about filters for HTML >and Word files - I think this has been discussed before? No news, but I know that these are priorities. From: John Woodthorpe >Does that go for David Pilling's scanning software v1.07, bought from Castle with a Mustec SCSI scanner Yes. There are no second class copies of IM. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From delink@wxs.nl Mon Apr 6 19:32:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61578 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:32:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891802152:15:25125:0; Sun, 05 Apr 98 18:49:12 GMT Received: from mmp02.wxs.nl ([195.121.6.37]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1525062; 5 Apr 98 18:49 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.153]) by mmp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAA4C4B for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:31:37 +0200 Message-ID: <483225e597delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On April 4, I wrote: > >When I use Garamond as the Bodytext font and switch to italic, then > >OPro uses DemiBold.italic rather than Italic. > A matter which has been well thrashed out here. Just needs me > to plunge back into the code and "improve" matters (again). Well... What does that actually mean? Will we see a version 2.50 with this problem fixed? I really hope so. > >Is there a Dutch abbreviation module? > Hyphenation? No, but I'm interested. Hyphenation, indeed. Sorry. I don't suppose the Publisher module will help you a lot. But if it does, I can mail it to you. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From e.dinkla@net.hcc.nl Mon Apr 6 19:32:21 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61579 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:32:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891807897:05:13433:0; Sun, 05 Apr 98 20:24:57 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net ([193.67.237.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1502309; 5 Apr 98 20:24 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-21.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.152] with SMTP for id WAA11546 (8.8.8/1.4); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 22:24:50 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:31:06 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] I've written on this subject before; Apart from import of Draw designs with fonts changed in paths: With !Embolden and some other applications that are on the cover discs of the november issue of AU you can make 'outline' outline fonts of existing fonts quite easy. In this way at least the colour of the outline is changeable. But there's no fill left to colour :-(. end of quote As I'am using Ov. Pro now more often the solution for coloured fonts with differently coloured outlines is quite easy; Make a frame, put text in it with the normal font, make sure the the text won't flow, duplicate the frame and text precisely on top of the original frame, make the background colour transparant, replace the original font with an 'outline' font made from the original font with !Embolden and choose another colour for that font. As long as nothing between the fonts is changed (not in the fontfiles itself nor in the text that is used) the fonts will register. For other effects; you can also skew the font in front etc. Did this with the Lydian font and the effect was nice. It doesn't replace the need for an enhanced fontmanager but for the time being it is alright. Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 6 19:32:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61583 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:32:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891821675:05:07507:0; Mon, 06 Apr 98 00:14:35 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1216748; 6 Apr 98 0:14 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1000857; 6 Apr 98 0:12 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:28:05 GMT Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:12:54 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <5bb4133248%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > From: Dave Hawkins > > >I've got a problem with zooming. What happens is that as I zoom up on a > >page I get a sudden jump to the first page of my document, > > Looks like a bug to me, I will see about fixing it. > > >annoying that even if I'm just using select and adjust I don't go through > >a set series of zoom sizes, eg. I get 100->200->400->800->1000->500->... > > Obviously the cut at 1000 does the damage. I don't know, we got to > the current scheme after user feedback. I find the zoom features in Opro not helpful as they could be. I am use to applications zooming to the caret position when a set zoom is used. In Opro I usually have to scroll to find the caret, which is often tricky at high zoom levels. Clicking on previous gives the same problem, it does not go to the caret position. Also if I use the magnify tool and draw out an area to zoom in on, and then afterwards bring up the info pallette and click previous zoom, it either doesn't change, or just goes back to 100%, or something else( haven't quite sussed what it's doing), but certain doesn't go back to the previous zoom as used by the magnify tool. I wish I could just click on the maginify tool with adjust so that it goes back to the previous zoom as used by the magnify tool. It seems that the info pallette has no relationship with the magnify tool. I think this has been discussed before, but even so I don't not find the curent implimentation of the zoom features to be as helpful as they could be. -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 7 01:08:21 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61644 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 01:08:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891899437:12:26168:0; Mon, 06 Apr 98 21:50:37 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618157; 6 Apr 98 21:50 GMT Received: from tyto.demon.co.uk ([194.222.110.18]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008319; 6 Apr 98 21:49 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:14:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Documents Applet not working To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Dear all I have installed version 2.49 of Opro, but the vital documents applet does not seem to be working properly ( I copied it over with all the other applets en masse from my Applets directory in 2.46). It seems to remember all the old documents prior to 2.49, but none of the 2.49 docs. Any ideas? Regards -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Peu s'en fallut que je ne mourusse d'ennui dans mon village" A beautiful French sentence... From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 7 01:08:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61646 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 01:08:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891899444:12:26202:1; Mon, 06 Apr 98 21:50:44 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0618135; 6 Apr 98 21:50 GMT Received: from tyto.demon.co.uk ([194.222.110.18]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008331; 6 Apr 98 21:49 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:46:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Hutton Subject: multi row button bars To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Can anyone help me with the multi-row button bar? I can make it two rows deep but then if I quit OPro it resets to one row! Any ideas? I can't remember if the kast e-mail arrived or not.... which files do I need to copy over to keep the personal preferences? Is it all the files in the Aurorun directory? -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Peu s'en fallut que je ne mourusse d'ennui dans mon village" A beautiful French sentence... From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 7 01:08:27 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61648 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 01:08:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891899444:05:23290:0; Mon, 06 Apr 98 21:50:44 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618141; 6 Apr 98 21:50 GMT Received: from tyto.demon.co.uk ([194.222.110.18]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2008324; 6 Apr 98 21:49 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 22:16:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Hutton Subject: The same Old Question about upgrading... To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] dear all Just a quickie- I have upgraded my version of OPro Winfree to 2.49, but what files inside !OvnPro do I need to copy over to get my customised toolbar et al across? E-mails to me rather than clutter up the group. mini tanks in advance.... -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Peu s'en fallut que je ne mourusse d'ennui dans mon village" A beautiful French sentence... From opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 7 01:08:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61650 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 01:08:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891901842:12:15735:0; Mon, 06 Apr 98 22:30:42 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605856; 6 Apr 98 22:30 GMT Received: from tsrank.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.13]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2014417; 6 Apr 98 22:29 GMT Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 23:04:13 +0100 (BST) From: Tom Rank Subject: Drop capitals To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Organization: Ovation Pro item from Tom Rank: Opro@tsrank.demon.co.uk X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] I know that it may be too late for him to read it here, but I think we should record some thanks to Ian MacDougall for all his work on the Ovation Pro mailing list and in supporting the product. I have certainly found the mailing list a very valuable source of help and the product is excellent =97 thanks in part to the sharing of resources and ideas here. Thanks, too, of course, to David Pilling for taking it over! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Now to my question about drop caps: It seems that in version 2.48 the drop caps line up with the body of=20 the paragraph much more accurately. So now that this has been so well straightened out, would it be possible to embellish the facility by=20 allowing the user to specify a different font for the drop capital? Look=20 at many newspapers, for example, and you=91ll find that they use a sans=20 serif font such as Ariel/Helvetica for the drop cap when the paragraph=20 is in a serif font such as Times, Garamond, etc. It would save me fiddling around selecting the initial letter each time=20 so that I can change the font! Tom Rank --=20 Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.48, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk From davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61501 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891663154:05:27765:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 04:12:34 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1500360; 4 Apr 98 4:12 GMT Received: from riotclone.zetnet.co.uk (man-035.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.43]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA07858 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 05:12:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 03:03:09 +0100 Message-ID: <483147907cdavefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Postscript embedding In-Reply-To: <19980404.020021.36@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 04 Apr, Richard Cassidy wrote: > On 03 Apr, Dave Hawkins wrote: > On the subject of major Applets, is there any news about filters for HTML > and Word files - I think this has been discussed before? > Best wishes, > Richard While on the subject of filters could someone make the existing ones translate in both directions where relevant? I can't be the only person who would find it useful to output in DDF and RTF format. It would be good if this were to be borne in mind for future filters too. Dave From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:06 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61503 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891682288:09:15440:4; Sat, 04 Apr 98 09:31:28 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1022823; 4 Apr 98 9:31 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yLPIC-00022t-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:31:16 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 10:31:16 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Zoom In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, David Pilling wrote: > From: Dave Hawkins > > >I've got a problem with zooming. What happens is that as I zoom up on a > >page I get a sudden jump to the first page of my document, > > Looks like a bug to me, I will see about fixing it. I've discovered that it's not just a jump to 1000% which causes the problem. On later pages the problem occurs earlier and earlier: Ps4-7 400->800 to 1st page Ps8&9 400->800 to 2nd page Ps10-13 400->800 to 1st page Ps14-45 200->400 to 1st page (only tested pages 14 & 45) I was trying to work out why I'd wanted to zoom to 1000%, but actually I was working some of the later pages where the effect is more pronounced. > >annoying that even if I'm just using select and adjust I don't go through > >a set series of zoom sizes, eg. I get 100->200->400->800->1000->500->... > > Obviously the cut at 1000 does the damage. I don't know, we got to > the current scheme after user feedback. Yes, this is very true. However, I think there are two sensible alternatives that could be used: 1) Make the cut 1600, which some people may find a bit odd 2) Make 800 the first size you go down to from 1000, which is no stranger than the 1000% cut off and allows you to return to 100%. There is, of course, the other end of the scale where you get rounding errors, ie 100->50->25->12->6->3->1->...->64->128, but this doesn't really have a sensible solution. However, I don't see this to be a problem since it's not that likely that you would want to go to those scales anyway. Hmmm....I'm suggesting with all the above that you always want to return to 100%, but I frequently use 75%. I suppose want I really want is any kind of sensible up/down sizing which will take me back to the main page size which I'm using. Then again I could just use the buttons, but I much prefer the multiple clicking approach. Dave From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:09 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61504 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891684187:10:01001:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 10:03:07 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1412078; 4 Apr 98 10:03 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yLPmy-00025n-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:03:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:03:04 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Tailed letters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins This might have been said before but... I've found that certain for certain fonts, if you have a tailed letter in some text and move it (by inserting or deleting other charaters) then the tail doesn't get deleted properly, which produces a line of dots. To see the effect do the following: 1) New document 2) Right justification 3) Select the font Trinity 4) Type 'philanthropic' I haven't checked many other fonts, but it seems to also happen with Homerton. However, it doesn't happen with Corpus or AvantG. I also just noticed that if you look at the right hand end of the typed text, ie under the where caret is (if you haven't moved it), then there are some vertical dots. Again there's the same partitioning of fonts. Since the dots seem to be on the very edges of the font characters it looks to me as though the sizes of the fonts may be incorrect. I suspect that the reported print size is slightly too small. This means that when deleting previous characters by placing a block of background colour (I'm assuming that is what's being done) it doesn't completely cover the actual font area. I'm guessing that this might be due to some fonts being specified right up to the edge of their size and then a rounding error occurring. This would suggest a bug in the Acorn font drawing software. Anyone else seeing this? Dave From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:16 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61508 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891685318:15:02125:2; Sat, 04 Apr 98 10:21:58 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1502070; 4 Apr 98 10:21 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yLQ50-00027A-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:21:42 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:21:42 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Text justification In-Reply-To: <19980403.022048.60@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Fri, 3 Apr 1998, MattLB wrote: > I've a vague feeling this may have been mentioned before, so apologies > if it's old news. Here's the drill: > 1) Start a new document > 2) Click centre justify > 3) Click underline (or bold or italic) > 4) Type something and press return > > The justify buttons now don't work properly. The caret jumps around in I've found another justification problem: 1) New document 2) Click right justify 3) Select a new font, eg. Homerton (I've got base style Trinity) 4) Type a letter 5) Delete the letter by pressing delete 6) Choose either of Style->Remove->All styles and effects or ->Local effects. The font returns to the base style and the left justification icon lights up. However typing text gives right justification. 7) Now delete the text by pressing delete. The right justification icon lights up and you return to Homerton, and typing gives those effects. Dave From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:18 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61509 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891688875:11:05774:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 11:21:15 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1023023; 4 Apr 98 11:21 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yLR0Z-0002DA-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:21:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:21:11 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Multiple dashes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins If I've got multiple dashes in a text file, '--', then sticking the file into an OP document turns them into en-dashes or something like that. How can I turn this off, as I usually want the double dash. Dave From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61510 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891688437:15:18306:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 11:13:57 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1205445; 4 Apr 98 11:13 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yLQtW-0002Co-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:13:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:13:54 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: Dave Hawkins To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Text disappearing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins I pretty sure I've seen this before, but I don't think enough info was given on how to repeat it. The problem is that I have a document with several chapters, and a couple of font changes in styles. I find that if I change the size of the font in a style whilest in a particular chapter then all the text in that style in the other chapters disappears. On selecting the other chapters OP is clearly very confused as it sometimes places the caret in the middle of a blank page (where there actually isn't any text). Unfortunately I seem to be unable to replicate this problem from scratch. However, I have a suspicion that it is to do with multiple chapters on multiple pages, where the style change causes a reduction in the number of pages. Rather than slap the document in as an attachment (it's 170K, but I've got unlimited Internet access), I've stuck it on the web. If you go to the URL http://thor.cam.ac.uk/~djh39/op then you'll find a link to the document itself, and instructions on how to achieve the undesirable result. Dave From paulh@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:23 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61512 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891688984:15:21198:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 11:23:04 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0519530; 4 Apr 98 11:22 GMT Received: from (193.130.247.246) [193.130.247.246] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yLR2C-00044t-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:22:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Paul L Hedge) Reply-To: paulh@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 12:09:06 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: RE: Ovation Pro crashing. Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I don't make great demands on Ovation Pro so I get very annoyed and also puzzled as to why it should occasionally suddenly crash, when I haven't done anything or run any software to 'upset it'. What happens is a filer window will suddenly appears and the dreaded message:- "Ovation Pro has suffered an internal error type=5" occurs. This of course means that when I click 'continue' I loose everything I have typed in since my last save. It has just happened to me again. I was working on a play script of about 100 pages. I wasn't asking OP to do anything fancy as it was a draft copy with just plain text in and the only applet working was the one that underlines spelling errors. The only software I had used was Argo's Voyager. Can anyone point me in the right direction to solve this very annoying niggle? Paul Hedge Torquay. PS As an old 'Interword' user I really miss the 'Marker facility' that would enable me to edit large areas of text. Are there any Applet's that emulate this? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk From dedunn@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:29 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61515 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891691386:09:05624:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 12:03:06 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1117900; 4 Apr 98 12:03 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.46) [193.130.246.46] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yLRf6-0004YW-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:03:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Dunn) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 4 Apr 98 (09:15:37 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Sat 4 Apr 98 (02:00:36 +0100), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On 03 Apr, David Dunn wrote: > > From discussions on the ngs, it seems very likely that 512K or more > will > > be rhe RAM limit on the RPCII and it will accept a lot of pc stuff, > both > > RAM & plug-in cards. Roll on September/October/November/Dec...... > > As little as that? Even DOS had 640k Hehe - Could have been a typo, mental block or even determination not to predict more than will be delivered ;-) K=M Dave D -- _ |_|._ _ _ ._ _ _|_ / Acorn Computers - for intelligent people globally | || (_|(_)| |(/_ |_ / dedunn@argonet.co.uk - using SA RiscPC 66M/4Gig _| / Stylus Col800, Scanflat 800, Storm DMA32, USR 56K ___________________/ Irlam 24i16. ZFC Pd, Acorn Clan member & Mensan From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Sat Apr 4 14:31:30 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61516 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891689981:15:26600:2; Sat, 04 Apr 98 11:39:41 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0609605; 4 Apr 98 11:39 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yLRIK-0002FZ-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:39:32 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 12:39:32 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Subject: Selection Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins This is my final thing, well unless you're not reading my posts in the same order as I wrote them. If I want to select some text then I use the select button to find the start and then the adjust button to indicate the end. Now I want to change the reduce the selection (because I've made it too big or something). To do this I again use the adjust button. However, there are two possible outcomes to this: 1) The end of the selection moves. 2) The start of the selection moves. This seems to be based on where in the text I use adjust, but this is a bit non-intuitive since I don't actually know which of the two is going to happen. (Well I think it's the closest one, but how do I tell?) It is also the case that I generally want to keep the position I first selected, ie where the caret is, and then use adjust around this (including previous points in the text). This is what Impression does and I much prefer it. Also, I can only set a single position whereas I would like a drag action - again see Impression. As an additional point, perhaps it would be better to use adjust to change the 'end' position, ie the second one set, and shift+adjust (is that used for anything else?) to change the 'start' postion, ie the fist one. What does everyone else think? Dave From ad-astra@clara.net Sat Apr 4 14:31:32 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61517 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:31 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891692450:09:11675:1; Sat, 04 Apr 98 12:20:50 GMT Received: from hermes.clara.net ([195.8.69.6]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011091; 4 Apr 98 12:20 GMT Received: from ad-astra.clara.net (du-1845.claranet.co.uk [195.8.79.175]) by hermes.clara.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA057 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Alan W. Wickes" To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:18:37 +0100 Message-ID: <48317fe966ad-astra@Clara.NET> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49? In-Reply-To: <19980401.022306.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: ad-astra@clara.net Content-Type: text/plain On 01 Apr, Rosalind M. Share wrote: > I have recently bought OvationPro 2.46. I saw at the beebug Website an > upgrade to version 2.48. I joined this List today and find people talking > about version 2.49. Where do I get this upgrade? Or better still, can someone > send it to me as it is so elusive? I've seen this type of request before, but I've yet to see a reply. Is there some sort of Code Of Silence operated by users of the latest upgrade? Cheers Alan -- Alan Wickes ad-astra@Clara.NET From e.dinkla@net.hcc.nl Sat Apr 4 14:31:36 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61519 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 04 Apr 98 14:31:34 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891695854:11:08906:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 13:17:34 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net ([193.67.237.11]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1028500; 4 Apr 98 13:17 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-32.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.163] with SMTP for id PAA22204 (8.8.8/1.4); Sat, 4 Apr 1998 15:17:31 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 13:02:43 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] On Sat 04 Apr, David Pilling wrote in Various: > From: Dave Hawkins > > >Is RiscScript the same as RiScript? I've got version 2.02 (1994) > > Probably, there's only one program. There is a commercial version > called RiscScript Pro. I've never seen it, but I'd assume much > more polished than the freely available one. You'll find more > comment and discussion in the maillist archives, around Oct/Nov '97. The PD program is called RiScript, The commercial version RiScript Pro. I've got a beta version 3.23 of Pro, at the Wakefield Show this or even a newer version will be available. Uniqueway is the distributor for the world minus the Netherlands. It is fast and good for PS, EPS, PDF files and the embedded fonts except TrueType. Development continues steadily as there are still things to be done like printing, TT conversion, and clipping. Now the work concentrates on a better UI (less icons on the iconbar), speed, improved font conversion. Would like to see it become a real RIP machine, and also a PDF writer. Don't know whether this is possible without an Adobe license. There's a rumour about a lighter version with less facilities. Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net From i.a.goulbourne@ncl.ac.uk Mon Apr 6 19:29:26 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61546 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:29:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891709910:12:23114:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 17:11:50 GMT Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0525335; 4 Apr 98 17:11 GMT Received: from niag.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 18:11:45 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 19:10:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Goulbourne Subject: Upgardes to DP progs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980403.022102.49@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] In on Fri 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >>No, Sophie Wilson wrote that. David Pilling's scanning software is mine. Now up to 1.09 with > >>PNG import/export. > >I have 1.08. Can't see any upgrade on your web site. How do I get it please? > > I may do something about an upgrade on the web site. > You can always post in your original disc with return postage. I've got version 1.7 I would vote for a web page upgrade too (just my tuppence worth) Ian -- Ian Goulbourne |__| |__| |__| Tynemouth | |__| |__| | Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Northumberland | | "Life's a beach in Tynemouth" |______________| *Remove NO.SPAM to reply* From sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 6 19:30:36 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61551 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:30:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891716211:05:13585:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 18:56:51 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0611894; 4 Apr 98 18:56 GMT Received: from bifrost.demon.co.uk ([158.152.251.209]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1003796; 4 Apr 98 18:56 GMT Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:08:15 +0100 From: Samuel Penn To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Duplex Printing Problem Message-ID: Reply-To: sam@bifrost.demon.co.uk Organization: Somewhere else in Aldershot X-Mailer: Messenger v1.30 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60d Is there a way of telling OP to put blank pages at the end of a double sided chapter, if the chapter has an odd number of pages in it? Why would I need to do this? Try the following: Create a double sided document, with multiple chapters each starting on the right hand page. Put three pages of text into the first chapter. Then add some pages into second chapter and beyond. Print all right hand pages on single sided printer. Turn paper over, and print all left hand pages on reverse side of paper. In Impression, this does what I expect and gives me a nice double sided document. Unfortunately OP ignores the fact that page 4 is a blank page, doesn't skip a page, and prints page 5 on the back of page 3. Going back to check the document itself, I notice that chapter 2 is starting at page 4, when it should be page 5. If this can't be done currently (I'm on 2.46 btw), when will such a feature be likely to be added? Thanks. -- Be seeing you, Sam. From malcolm@retreat.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 6 19:30:49 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61554 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:30:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891719133:15:14330:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 19:45:33 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0628594; 4 Apr 98 19:45 GMT Received: from retreat.demon.co.uk ([158.152.123.49]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1007563; 4 Apr 98 19:45 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:00:15 +0100 (BST) From: Malcolm Cowell Subject: Re: Postscript applet Was: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980403.022102.49@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Fri 03 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > From: Dave Hawkins > > >I have a single page of postscript which I want to embed into an Ovation > >Pro document, which I then print using a postscript printer. > >Ideally this would be an applet which can just insert the embedded > >postscript into printed output at the appropriate stage. > > I have that very applet. Only problem is that I stopped work on it > six months back, whilst I worked out a general scheme for big images > etc. Although having every faith in your choice of priorities for our OvPro development this sounds like a potentially very useful tool and worthy of scoring an encouragement vote for when you can get on to it again. -- Malcolm Cowell Python Publishing http://www.chilternweb.co.uk From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 6 19:30:55 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61556 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891722307:12:19961:0; Sat, 04 Apr 98 20:38:27 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0505095; 4 Apr 98 20:38 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yLZhe-0007Av-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 21:38:15 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:21:18 GMT Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:21:06 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB Message-ID: <3a51f13048%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980403.022020.70@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980403.022020.70@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Thu 2 Apr 98 (01:53:20 +0100), ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk wrote: > > My brother-in-law has something like 385mb of ram in his Mac. > > Will the RPC 2 be able to hold these kinds of quantities of > > ram, and will it be able to use PC ram? Or shouldn't I > > delude myself? > > > >From discussions on the ngs, it seems very likely that 512K or more will be rhe > RAM limit on the RPCII Wow, back to BBC days. Cool. -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From david@zephryus.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 6 19:30:57 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61557 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:30:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891724534:09:11550:8; Sat, 04 Apr 98 21:15:34 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1127652; 4 Apr 98 21:15 GMT Received: from (zephryus) [158.152.43.102] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yLaHe-0004ev-00; Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:15:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:14:13 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4831b0f2b0david@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: multi-column links In-Reply-To: <19980404.020129.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Being new to this list I wouldn't be surprised to discover that this is an old problem, however.... I have a large data base of burials for an old parish church. The data has been output as a series of text files; name, register number, date etc. Each file consists of over a thousand entries, the first entry in each file referring to the first person and so on, so that when they are dropped into a set of parallel frames they provide data on each inhumation along a single line of the page. I need to set up a master page consisting of five columns, each of which will automatically be duplicated onto subsequent pages. Each column needs to be linked to the identical column on subsequent pages so that when I drop a file into a column it will spread down over as many pages as necessary. I can't make frame linking work in this way and would appreciate advice. All I can manage is linking frames on the same page, not what I want. -- Cheers, David From e.dinkla@net.hcc.nl Mon Apr 6 19:31:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61563 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:31:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891764462:15:25824:0; Sun, 05 Apr 98 08:21:02 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net ([193.67.237.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1213453; 5 Apr 98 8:21 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-10.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.141] with SMTP for id KAA17641 (8.8.8/1.4); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:20:58 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:31:23 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] There seems to be development on the PDF import facilities of the DTP programs Pagemaker and Quark Express and the use of PDF as a document format for prepress functions. I found the following on the internet; * NEWSFLASH: PageMaker, QuarkXPress Upgrades Embrace PDF Hot off the press at the Seybold '97 Publishing Conference are a couple Acrobat items of interest to traditional desktop publishers who aim to make use of the portable document format (PDF). * Adobe Systems unveiled several forthcoming new features for PageMaker 6.5 including support for "Placed PDF," permitting the importing of PDF files for use as artwork in PageMaker documents. Publishers can use artwork from multiple sources and re-use items, regardless of their origin. To improve performance, users will be able to control the resolution for on-screen viewing. Another enhancement, "Refined PDF Export," will streamline the process of preparing PDFs for print production by offering the user greater control. The free set of enhancements will be available in December, and can be downloaded when available from the Adobe web site. Users must have PageMaker v.6.5.2 to install the new features. * Quark announced yesterday that it will provide PDF import and export filters for XPress after v.4.0 ships later this year. Using the PDF Xtensions, users will be able to import a PDF page into an XPress document, and export an XPress page as a PDF file. Currently XPress files can be converted to PDF using Acrobat's Distiller software. Quark is developing PDF export XTensions that will streamline the process. MORE@ WEB: Adobe Systems (http://www.adobe.com/) WEB: Adobe PageMaker Updater (http://www.adobe.com/supportservice/custsupport/download.html) WEB: Quark (http://www.quark.com/) This 'news' is a year old so there must be something available now. Will check that. Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net From e.dinkla@net.hcc.nl Mon Apr 6 19:31:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61567 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:31:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891778872:05:07745:2; Sun, 05 Apr 98 12:21:12 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net ([193.67.237.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1200340; 5 Apr 98 12:21 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-67.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.198] with SMTP for id OAA24921 (8.8.8/1.4); Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:21:00 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:57:48 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Outline colour for fonts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980404.020137.53@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] I've written before on this subject but now I've a solution that will do the job till the fontmanager can handle this on its own. Should have thought about right away when I wrote this; Apart from import of Draw designs with fonts changed in paths: With !Embolden and some other applications that are on the cover discs of the november 1997 issue of AU you can make 'outline' outline fonts of existing fonts quite easy. In this way at least the colour of the outline is changeable. But there's no fill left to colour :-(. end of quote To solve that; One could make the background colour of the text frame transparant and use the normal filled outline font in that frame putting in all the text and then duplicate the frame on top of the original frame and substitute the original font with the 'outline' outline font made with !Embolden and change its colour. By changing 'skew' etc. in the textmenu other effects are possible. Didn't use Ov Pro that often till now so I wasn't looking for a solution. It isn't the easiest way but I like it. Used Lydian regular as the original font and the result is fine. Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net From delink@wxs.nl Mon Apr 6 19:31:21 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61568 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:31:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891802166:09:09744:0; Sun, 05 Apr 98 18:49:26 GMT Received: from mmp02.wxs.nl ([195.121.6.37]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1129980; 5 Apr 98 18:49 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.153]) by mmp02.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.52) with SMTP id AAB4C4B for ; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:49:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:36:11 +0200 Message-ID: <48322650c9delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Zoom In-Reply-To: <19980404.020114.87@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 04 Apr, Dave Hawkins wrote: > Also, another point on the action of the Zoom tool. I find it really > annoying that even if I'm just using select and adjust I don't go through > a set series of zoom sizes, eg. I get 100->200->400->800->1000->500->... > and can't get back to 100 without typing. Anyone else feel the same way? Yes, I do. And even more: I consider it as quite annoying that after any edit operation, the zoom tool has lost its 'previous' setting. (Or am I the one who is doing something wrong?) Paul Sprangers From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Mon Apr 6 19:32:01 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61574 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 06 Apr 98 19:31:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891825895:09:24718:2; Mon, 06 Apr 98 01:24:55 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1421562; 6 Apr 98 1:24 GMT Received: from helios.mpn.com (helios [194.72.65.60]) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16273 for ; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:24:57 +0100 (BST) Received: (from Uspuddy@localhost) by helios.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA00846 for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:24:47 +0100 (BST) >Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA11907; Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:06:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 12:10:01 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) Message-ID: <483179A1B0%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980402.015334.30@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g Content-Type: text In message <19980402.015334.30@pilling.demon.co.uk> mtillman@argonet.co.uk (Martin Tillman) wrote: > I've discovered my problem - Messenger. Without that loaded OP/IP/Zap > all communicate. I don't have IP, but OP 2.49 and Zap 1.3910 communicate OK here while Messenger's running. Chris From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 7 01:31:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61669 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 01:31:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891907744:05:05441:0; Tue, 07 Apr 98 00:09:04 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0505394; 7 Apr 98 0:08 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yMLwd-0001wg-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 01:08:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 01:06:56 GMT Message-Id: <61642@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Dave Hawkins >I've found that certain for certain fonts, if you have a tailed letter in >some text and move it (by inserting or deleting other charaters) then the >tail doesn't get deleted properly, which produces a line of dots. To see >specified right up to the edge of their size and then a rounding error >occurring. This would suggest a bug in the Acorn font drawing software. >Anyone else seeing this? It's a well known problem. As far as I know there is no (fast) method of determing the pixel bounding box of a line of text allowing for antialiasing. There's thus a compromise involved, either redraw more than you need to (slow on old machines because you end up redrawing more than one line of text) or accept these small infelicities. Given the speed of current SA machines I could redraw more, but I'm reluctant to set off on what past experience shows will be a time consuming project. >If I've got multiple dashes in a text file, '--', then sticking the file >into an OP document turns them into en-dashes or something like that. How >can I turn this off, as I usually want the double dash. This is controled by 'smart quotes' in program text choices. >Rather than slap the document in as an attachment (it's 170K, but I've got >unlimited Internet access), I've stuck it on the web. If you go to the URL >http://thor.cam.ac.uk/~djh39/op then you'll find a link to the document >itself, and instructions on how to achieve the undesirable result. Thank you. I've got the doc, reproduced the problem and fixed it. >If I want to select some text then I use the select button to find the >start and then the adjust button to indicate the end. Now I want to change I think being able to click+drag with Adjust and restart the resizing of the area is a good idea for an improvement. The rest is just how Edit works. From:(Paul L Hedge) >I don't make great demands on Ovation Pro so I get very annoyed and also >puzzled as to why it should occasionally suddenly crash, when I haven't done >anything or run any software to 'upset it'. This is a very general question. The similarly general answer is to "keep getting the upgrades". Even then, sometimes this sort of behaviour is due to causes outside OPro. If you ever find a way of reproducing the problem I will be delighted to fix it. >and the only applet working was the one that underlines spelling errors. That's not done by an applet. >PS As an old 'Interword' user I really miss the 'Marker facility' that would >enable me to edit large areas of text. Are there any Applet's that emulate >this? I never used Interword enough to know what that was. You might look at the Bookmark and KSelect applets. From: "Alan W. Wickes" >I've seen this type of request before, but I've yet to see a reply. http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html From: waddell@which.net >> As usual, does anyone/everyone else get the same results, or is it just >Yup. This happens to me also. OK, ok, I've accepted this is a known problem. From: Ian Goulbourne >I would vote for a web page upgrade too (just my tuppence worth) Yep so would I, but its not necessarily possible. From: Samuel Penn >Is there a way of telling OP to put blank pages at the end of >a double sided chapter, if the chapter has an odd number of >pages in it? I doubt that printing is the problem here. However I think you are right in saying that chapters need padding with real pages or at least page numbering needs to skip. At least if you want to stick to right hand page numbers always being odd. To summarise if one chapter ends with a right hand page and the next is set to start with a right hand page, then there is currently a missing page. It will be missing on screen and on the printer, but it won't be missing from the page numbering. >If this can't be done currently (I'm on 2.46 btw), when will >such a feature be likely to be added? As soon as I work out what people want. Not much point staying with 2.46... From: David Robinson >I can't make frame linking work in this way and would appreciate advice. >All I can manage is linking frames on the same page, not what I want. At last one I know the answer to. What you do is design your master page with 5 individual frames on it. The use the link tool to join each frame to *itself*. Now close the master pages, and you'll find you have 5 columns which flow through the document, each linked to the corresponding one of the next page. From: Ernst Dinkla >There seems to be development on the PDF import facilities of >the DTP programs Pagemaker and Quark Express and the use of PDF Just using PDF files in the same way that one can use EPS or PS (if only I had finished the applet). From: Paul Sprangers >And even more: I consider it as quite annoying that after any edit >operation, the zoom tool has lost its 'previous' setting. "Previous" sets the zoom back to the value when the magnify tool was selected. >> A matter which has been well thrashed out here. Just needs me >> to plunge back into the code and "improve" matters (again). >What does that actually mean? It means I know the problem exists, I know how it should be made to work. But I've not got around to doing the work yet. >Hyphenation, indeed. Sorry. >I don't suppose the Publisher module will help you a lot. >But if it does, I can mail it to you. Only if it is PD or you have the permission of the copyright owner. From: Alan Muscat >I am use to applications zooming to the caret position when a >set zoom is used. In Opro I usually have to scroll to find the >caret, which is often tricky at high zoom levels. Clicking Just "wiggle" the caret, one position back, one forward and the screen will jump to where it is. From: Paul Hutton >I have installed version 2.49 of Opro, but the vital documents applet does >not seem to be working properly ( I copied it over with all the other >applets en masse from my Applets directory in 2.46). It seems to remember >all the old documents prior to 2.49, but none of the 2.49 docs. >Any ideas? No seems to work for me on 2.49. Unless it is a very old copy or something. >Can anyone help me with the multi-row button bar? >I can make it two rows deep but then if I quit OPro it resets to one row! Save the macros, the file which contains the macros definitions, i.e. autorun.!Macros also stores the button bar shape and the button order. >Just a quickie- I have upgraded my version of OPro Winfree to 2.49, but what >files inside !OvnPro do I need to copy over to get my customised toolbar et >al across? !Macros. From: Tom Rank >I know that it may be too late for him to read it here, but I think we >should record some thanks to Ian MacDougall for all his work on the The company where he now works, writes software for traffic wardens... >straightened out, would it be possible to embellish the facility by=20 >allowing the user to specify a different font for the drop capital? This is something I've been thinking about. The idea I've had is to allow a style to reference a number of other styles, for example for the drop cap, the bullet point, first word in a para, anything else that springs to mind. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From ian_barr@drabed.demon.co.uk Tue Apr 7 13:46:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61777 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 13:46:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891937116:12:00080:0; Tue, 07 Apr 98 08:18:36 GMT Received: from drabed.demon.co.uk ([158.152.38.89]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0507737; 7 Apr 98 8:18 GMT Date: 6 Apr 98 11:40 EST From: To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Help needed writing applet Message-ID: <891937115.057737.0@drabed.demon.co.uk> Text item: Text_1 I am trying to write a very basic Table of contents applet just as an excercise to write applets. I have written some code that basically searches for a style within the story and if it finds this style it copies the whole paragraph to a text file converting all white space to spaces. The styles that I am searching for have been defined in a stylemap file and hold the style name I'm searching for and the style it is mapped to in the TOC. Well thats what it was suppose to do but doesn't. Now if I put a confirm() funtion call (for debugging purposes) in the function that checks the paragraph for the style IT WORKS!!!, but if I put a confirm() function call just before the code that copies the paragraph to the text file, it copies the paragrapgh following the one that I want. I have spent ages trying to sort this one out but I am now totally confused. Can anyone help? Ian e-mail ian_barr@drabed.demon.co.uk or ib63@student.open.ac.uk From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Tue Apr 7 13:46:37 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61779 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 07 Apr 98 13:46:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891946685:05:27371:1; Tue, 07 Apr 98 10:58:05 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1509013; 7 Apr 98 10:57 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yMW4h-0004GE-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:57:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:57:55 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: multi-column thingy In-Reply-To: <19980407.014210.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, David Pilling wrote: > From: David Robinson > > >I can't make frame linking work in this way and would appreciate advice. > >All I can manage is linking frames on the same page, not what I want. > > At last one I know the answer to. What you do is design your master page > with 5 individual frames on it. The use the link tool to join each frame > to *itself*. Now close the master pages, and you'll find you have 5 columns > which flow through the document, each linked to the corresponding one > of the next page. Ermm... I bet he wants 5 identical columns: Select Page->Edit master pages Select the master page frame Select Page->Page guidelines... Set columns to 5 Select OK Close master pages Insert the text file Dave From djh39@thor.cam.ac.uk Wed Apr 8 13:50:43 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61799 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891944743:11:06345:1; Tue, 07 Apr 98 10:25:43 GMT Received: from hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.39]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0909325; 7 Apr 98 10:25 GMT Received: from djh39 (helo=localhost) by hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yMVZI-000477-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:28 +0100 (BST) From: Dave Hawkins X-Sender: djh39@hammer.thor.cam.ac.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Duplex Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <19980407.014112.46@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: Dave Hawkins On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Samuel Penn wrote: > > Is there a way of telling OP to put blank pages at the end of > a double sided chapter, if the chapter has an odd number of > pages in it? [ snip] > If this can't be done currently (I'm on 2.46 btw), when will > such a feature be likely to be added? I agree with what you're saying, OP should count the blank page as a page to get the numbering correct. It doesn't happen in 2.49 either. Currently I have two solutions: 1) When creating a chapter start the numbering on the page you want. 2) At the end of a chapter add a new page (Misc->Insert->New page). If you've got headers/footers/etc. then stick a new frame on the page, which covers everything and has its Text Flow set to no runaround. The second method looks like a lot more hard work, but it's much more obvious that the numbering will be incorrect if you change to a chapter from an odd number of pages to an even number (using the facing pages option on View->...). Neither of the above are particularly great ways of doing things especially if you're editing a document and changing the lengths of chapters. It also doesn't seem like the correct way to have page numbering working for these types of documents. Dave From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:50:50 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61801 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:50:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891955125:12:14326:0; Tue, 07 Apr 98 13:18:45 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0613431; 7 Apr 98 13:18 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2013010; 7 Apr 98 13:17 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:01:44 GMT Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 14:01:04 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <544ef3348%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980407.014210.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980407.014210.15@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > From: Alan Muscat > > >I am use to applications zooming to the caret position when a > >set zoom is used. In Opro I usually have to scroll to find the > >caret, which is often tricky at high zoom levels. Clicking > > Just "wiggle" the caret, one position back, one forward and the screen > will jump to where it is. > This helps, but will a future release zoom to the caret without the 'wiggle'? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:51:01 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61804 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:50:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891948238:09:01525:2; Tue, 07 Apr 98 11:23:58 GMT Received: from nebula.mpn.com ([194.72.64.30]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1123966; 7 Apr 98 11:23 GMT Received: from helios.mpn.com (helios [194.72.65.60]) by nebula.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05567 for ; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:20 +0100 (BST) Received: (from Uspuddy@localhost) by helios.mpn.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16156 for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 12:23:10 +0100 (BST) >Received: (from chrism@localhost) by spuddy.mew.co.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA28134; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:41:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 21:55:48 +0100 From: Chris Manning To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Postscript Embedding Message-ID: <483233192E%chrism@spuddy.mew.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980404.020028.59@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS Organization: Organisation? Er, no... X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21 X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60g Content-Type: text In message <19980404.020028.59@pilling.demon.co.uk> djh39@hermes.cam.ac.uk (Dave Hawkins) wrote: > Is RiscScript the same as RiScript? I've got version 2.02 (1994), which is > a bit of a bunch of arse as it seems to be incapable of interpreting > anything produced by the Acorn Postscript drivers. >From a very ancient posting... > Well, I was a bit disappointed that it wouldn't take postscript files > produced by the printer drivers. Well, RiScript can handle these kind of files *as long as* standard fonts are used. What does this mean? First of all, the fonts used in the document should be mapped to fonts present in `the printer'. This should be done by this Acorn-application (forgot the name) which maps RISC OS fonts to PostScript-fonts. This will guarantee that no PostScript-font will be generated in the file. Now, there are no problems viewing the document on the same system (for the font is always available). > PS Is there a later version of RiScript It's called RiScript Pro, and it's commercial. It's also grossly over-priced IMHO, but if all you want to do all day long is convert PS files into Draw files... > it seems to be about 8million times faster than GhostScript You mean there's something slower than RiScript? Chris From rayd@argonet.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:51:09 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61808 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:51:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891961880:12:06802:7; Tue, 07 Apr 98 15:11:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0504284; 7 Apr 98 15:11 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.246.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yMa1i-0000p2-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:11:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:54:48 +0100 Message-ID: <2f34420rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Documents Applet not working In-Reply-To: <19980407.015615.19@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 07 Apr, Paul Hutton wrote: > Dear all > I have installed version 2.49 of Opro, but the vital documents applet > does not seem to be working properly ( I copied it over with all the > other applets en masse from my Applets directory in 2.46). It seems to > remember all the old documents prior to 2.49, but none of the 2.49 docs. Mine seems to work Ok with 2.49. Check the version number - mine is Document 1.01. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:51:17 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61811 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:51:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891977168:11:20663:0; Tue, 07 Apr 98 19:26:08 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0909862; 7 Apr 98 19:25 GMT Received: from (infotech.demon.co.uk) [158.152.71.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yMe0G-0001gG-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 20:25:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:30:59 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980407.014050.94@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 07 Apr, "Alan W. Wickes" wrote: > On 01 Apr, Rosalind M. Share wrote: > > I have recently bought OvationPro 2.46. I saw at the beebug Website an > > upgrade to version 2.48. I joined this List today and find people talking > > about version 2.49. Where do I get this upgrade? Or better still, can someone > > send it to me as it is so elusive? > > I've seen this type of request before, but I've yet to see a reply. > > Is there some sort of Code Of Silence operated by users of the latest > upgrade? > > Cheers > > Alan Dear Alan, Go to: http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 From steyan@argonet.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:51:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61812 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:51:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891980271:15:10708:2; Tue, 07 Apr 98 20:17:51 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1203096; 7 Apr 98 20:17 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.85) [193.130.251.85] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yMeoU-0006JA-00; Tue, 7 Apr 1998 21:17:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 07 Apr 98 21:04:25 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: Re: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49? Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Tue 7 Apr 98 (01:40:50 +0100), ad-astra@clara.net wrote: >On 01 Apr, Rosalind M. Share wrote: >> I have recently bought OvationPro 2.46. I saw at the beebug Website >an >> upgrade to version 2.48. I joined this List today and find people >talking >> about version 2.49. Where do I get this upgrade? Or better still, can >someone >> send it to me as it is so elusive? > >I've seen this type of request before, but I've yet to see a reply. >Is there some sort of Code Of Silence operated by users of the latest >upgrade? Having been tempted to send in a similar comment, but having held my tongue for fear of looking silly, I located the answer on the Beebug web site; what was confusing was that the file was called "op246/zip" - only by downloading did I discover that it contained the elusive scarlet pimpernel of OP249! -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 8 13:51:28 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61815 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:51:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891981316:12:11858:1; Tue, 07 Apr 98 20:35:16 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0624849; 7 Apr 98 20:35 GMT Received: from tasc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.124.188]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2009612; 7 Apr 98 20:35 GMT Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by tasc.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:57:23 GMT Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 19:56:59 +0100 From: Philip Ingram To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Mathematical symbols in OvPro Message-ID: <47e42f3348%prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk Organization: I doubt it X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f I recently needed to use the mathematical terms and in the body text of a document. The symbols occurred too frequently for it to be practical to use Equasor created draw files at each point so I used !FontEd to bodge the necessary characters. Can anyone suggest a less kludgy way of doing this? Regards, Philip PS Equasor politely declines to start if the Equasor and MathGreek fonts are absent. If you have Font Directory or FDPro and have these fonts normally turned off, the lines FontFS_UseFont Equasor FontFS_UseFont MathGreek in the !Run file will automatically activate them. -- Philip Ingram prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk From yg@hagley.school.nz Wed Apr 8 13:51:50 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61824 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 08 Apr 98 13:51:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892011325:09:07452:84; Wed, 08 Apr 98 04:55:25 GMT Received: from mail.hagley.school.nz ([203.97.185.50]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1007143; 8 Apr 98 4:43 GMT Received: by mail.hagley.school.nz with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <2FZ7AY3X>; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:44:14 +1200 Message-ID: From: Tony Young To: "'ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Text run-around Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:44:12 +1200 X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) Content-Type: text/plain I have had frequent occasions when using a 3 column page where an added frame causes all the text beneath it to be repelled. The run-around has been set to Frame with the usual 1 mm standoff. This problem does not occur when the master page columns are made up of three separate frames with text flow set, only when one frame is divided into columns. Any suggestions. Tony Young Hagley Community College Christchurch New Zealand. From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 9 02:00:58 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61920 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 02:00:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892083335:15:28017:2; Thu, 09 Apr 98 00:55:35 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1212581; 9 Apr 98 0:55 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yN5cc-0003y3-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 01:55:18 +0100 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 01:54:31 GMT Message-Id: <61916@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: > function that checks the paragraph for the style IT WORKS!!!, but if I > put a confirm() function call just before the code that copies the The line that springs to mind is that confirm() in effect polls(), allowing background activity like flowing text to go on. You might be able to reproduce the effect with a pause() command. From: Dave Hawkins >2) At the end of a chapter add a new page (Misc->Insert->New page). If > you've got headers/footers/etc. then stick a new frame on the > page, which covers everything and has its Text Flow set to no > runaround. That was the problem I wondered about, should these extra pages be totally blank or not. Or is it just a matter of house style. If I adopted the solution of fixing the numbering then the pages would be blank, and if I added extra pages you'd get headers and so on, which leads to ideas like omitting headers on the last page of chapters. I suppose if the master pages contained other stuff like pictures, then the solution has to be to generate totally blank pages. From: Alan Muscat >This helps, but will a future release zoom to the caret without >the 'wiggle'? Maybe. But you've always to think what if there's no caret. From:(Steve Yandell) >confusing was that the file was called "op246/zip" - only by downloading did I >discover that it contained the elusive scarlet pimpernel of OP249! It means of course 2.46 to 2.49. From: Tony Young >I have had frequent occasions when using a 3 column page where an added >frame causes all the text beneath it to be repelled. The run-around has >been set to Frame with the usual 1 mm standoff. Hmm it could be a bug in which case exactly where the frame lies will be the problem. Tiny changes will usually get around this. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From andy.progs@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 13:42:18 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61956 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 13:42:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892106778:09:25020:0; Thu, 09 Apr 98 07:26:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1413578; 9 Apr 98 7:26 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.11) [193.130.245.11] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNBis-0006hc-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 08:26:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 (08:25:34 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Help: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I've done it! I risked it! It doesn't work... I've upgraded from 2.46 to 2.49, and all I get now is an error message... saying Template Fields not found. Can anyone help? What's gone wrong? Has anyone else had this? Cheers, ANdy -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- From rjet1@cus.cam.ac.uk Thu Apr 9 13:43:19 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61968 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 13:43:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892112148:05:07539:2; Thu, 09 Apr 98 08:55:48 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0507538; 9 Apr 98 8:55 GMT Received: from rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.141.45]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yND6i-0007Rr-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:54:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:54:50 +0100 (BST) From: Rupert Thompson Subject: Re: Mathematical symbols in OvPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980409.020653.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-No-Archive: Yes X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Thu 09 Apr, Philip Ingram wrote: > I recently needed to use the mathematical terms and in the body > text of a document. The symbols occurred too frequently for it to be > practical to use Equasor created draw files at each point so I used !FontEd > to bodge the necessary characters. > > Can anyone suggest a less kludgy way of doing this? My !Critic applet will happily do this. To get x-bar, type <_> (the last is the underscore character). That sequence actually puts a macron over any letter, not just x or y. It's available from my website. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 13:43:31 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61973 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 13:43:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892119161:05:27093:0; Thu, 09 Apr 98 10:52:41 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1502033; 9 Apr 98 10:52 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.113) [193.130.250.113] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNEwa-00010Q-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:52:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:45:35 +0100 Message-ID: <48340a9301stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Printing Problems Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk X-Confirm-Reading-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain Hello, As the title suggests, I have been experiencing a few problems whilst printing from Ovation Pro 2.48 using CC's turbo drivers and I think this problem also existed in OP 2.46. The problem is that OP simply freezes the computer, leaving the egg timer pointer on screen, after printing a few pages from a large document. Pressing Alt-Break refuses to do anything but then if I press CTRL-Break, up pops the dialogue box that should have appeared when Alt-Break was pressed, strange?. Anyway, If I answer yes to kill OP, another error appears, saying PrintQFS has gone wrong, trying to acknowledge this error just brings up a never ending cycle of errors and the only way to reset the machine is by another CTRL-Break. I've found the only way to avoid this error is to print the document in batches of 3 pages at a time, which is quite tedious. The two documents that I have trouble with so far, one 42 pages and the other 64 pages long, contain quite a few diagrams, in the form of Draw files. Since I had to print the document in small batches I came across another slight problem with OP: If, after having clicked on the Print button in the print window, I then click on the printer icon on OP's button bar, before the previous window had dissappeared, OP crashes. Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA RISC PC, 18Mb. / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| From davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 15:36:06 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61981 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 15:36:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892129124:12:26338:8; Thu, 09 Apr 98 13:38:44 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1226238; 9 Apr 98 13:38 GMT Received: from riotclone.zetnet.co.uk (man-153.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.195]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA23902 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:38:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 11:30:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4834092721davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980409.020708.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 09 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > >2) At the end of a chapter add a new page (Misc->Insert->New page). If > > you've got headers/footers/etc. then stick a new frame on the > > page, which covers everything and has its Text Flow set to no > > runaround. > That was the problem I wondered about, should these extra pages be > totally blank or not. Or is it just a matter of house style. > If I adopted the solution of fixing the numbering then the pages would > be blank, and if I added extra pages you'd get headers and so on, which > leads to ideas like omitting headers on the last page of chapters. > I suppose if the master pages contained other stuff like pictures, > then the solution has to be to generate totally blank pages. I think the only thing you can be sure about there is that whichever way you do it, someone will want the opposite. Wouldn't it be possible to add an option so the user could stipulate whether trailing pages were to be blank or follow the Master page? Dave From bric@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 15:50:40 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61986 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 15:50:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892131142:11:27069:41; Thu, 09 Apr 98 14:12:22 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1402120; 9 Apr 98 14:12 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.44) [193.130.245.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNI3b-0003Mk-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:12:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Brian Carroll To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:07:11 +0100 Message-ID: <48341d080abric@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Duplex Printing In-Reply-To: <19980409.020708.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 09 Apr, David Pilling wrote in article 'Various': [snip] > From: Dave Hawkins > > 2) At the end of a chapter add a new page (Misc->Insert->New > > page). If you've got headers/footers/etc. then stick a new > > frame on the page, which covers everything and has its Text > > Flow set to no runaround. > That was the problem I wondered about, should these extra pages be > totally blank or not. Or is it just a matter of house style. > If I adopted the solution of fixing the numbering then the pages > would be blank, and if I added extra pages you'd get headers and so > on, which leads to ideas like omitting headers on the last page of > chapters. It might be house style, but IMHO the page number /should/ be shown. >From experience of this topic in IPub (which handles the matter very sensibly!) it is best to keep headers & footers (one of which includes the page number). > I suppose if the master pages contained other stuff like pictures, > then the solution has to be to generate totally blank pages. In this unlikely event you could always 'cover up' the picture as Dave Hawkins suggests. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk Using Pluto v1.07i, 27-03-98 ________________________________________________________________________ From rayd@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 15:50:43 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA61987 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 15:50:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892132249:10:16978:2; Thu, 09 Apr 98 14:30:49 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0903431; 9 Apr 98 14:30 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.245.33] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNIL7-0003g6-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:30:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 08:46:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3fa24b5rayd@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: multi-column thingy In-Reply-To: <19980409.020603.46@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 09 Apr, Dave Hawkins wrote: > Ermm... I bet he wants 5 identical columns: > Select Page->Edit master pages > Select the master page frame > Select Page->Page guidelines... > Set columns to 5 > Select OK > Close master pages > Insert the text file That won't work, as AFAIK, David R wanted 5 separate columns flowing throughout the pages. The above produces 5 columns linked to each other on the same page before flowing to the next. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From davew@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 19:43:01 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62012 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 19:43:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892145964:09:04821:0; Thu, 09 Apr 98 18:19:24 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1014961; 9 Apr 98 18:19 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.60) [193.130.251.60] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNLuu-0001SQ-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:19:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(David Williams) Reply-To: davew@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 19:16:20 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Problem with 2.48 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Out of the blue my updated version of OV Pro has thrown a wobbly and won't start up. The error message is "Template Fields not found". This happens with 2.47 and 2.48 but not with 2.46. I have no additional Applets loaded and no idea what I have done - any thoughts? -- _______________________________________________________ Dave Williams is davew@argonet.co.uk, an Acorn user! _______________________________________________________ From philhet@argonet.co.uk Thu Apr 9 19:43:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62013 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 19:43:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892142993:05:23611:0; Thu, 09 Apr 98 17:29:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0523609; 9 Apr 98 17:29 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.57) [193.130.251.57] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNL94-0000jx-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 18:29:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Philip Hetherington To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 09:24:13 +0100 Message-ID: <4833fda18ephilhet@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Duplex Printing Problem In-Reply-To: <19980409.020610.63@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 09 Apr, Dave Hawkins wrote: > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, Samuel Penn wrote: > > > > Is there a way of telling OP to put blank pages at the end of > > a double sided chapter, if the chapter has an odd number of > > pages in it? > [ snip] > > If this can't be done currently (I'm on 2.46 btw), when will Why not put some hard spaces or an empty frame on the blank page, plus header and footer. This should work. Phil * ... The grass is greener on the other side of the fence. -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm ZFC P From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Thu Apr 9 19:43:10 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62016 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 19:43:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892145617:05:11997:6; Thu, 09 Apr 98 18:13:37 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1204345; 9 Apr 98 18:13 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yNLp2-00074C-00; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:13:13 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:36:25 GMT Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:36:13 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <562b303448%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980409.020708.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980409.020708.61@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > That was the problem I wondered about, should these extra pages be totally > blank or not. Or is it just a matter of house style. > > If I adopted the solution of fixing the numbering then the pages would be blank, > and if I added extra pages you'd get headers and so on, which leads to > ideas like omitting headers on the last page of chapters. Sometimes a document is being created which also includes the front and back pages. No one wants headers and footers on the back page, so in this case having an option not to have them on the last page would be useful and could also be used in the other scenario mentioned. I suppose it's not possible to have options for each specific chapter. In this case you could have headers and footers on the last page of each chapter but not the last page of the last chapter(ie a back page). > > > > From: Alan Muscat > > >This helps, but will a future release zoom to the caret without > >the 'wiggle'? > > Maybe. But you've always to think what if there's no caret. In this case it could do what it does at present.(I make it sound so easy, don't I). -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From julian@southern.co.nz Thu Apr 9 23:36:08 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62043 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 23:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892154219:09:18896:2; Thu, 09 Apr 98 20:36:59 GMT Received: from [202.37.101.18] ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1418766; 9 Apr 98 20:36 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (pppd013.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.13]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA03175 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:35:47 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Fri,10 Apr 1998.08:40:29 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:39:46 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Postscript embedding Message-ID: <56f9403448%julian@illusio.milieu.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <19980407.013949.48@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c In message <19980407.013949.48@pilling.demon.co.uk> davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk (Dave) wrote: > On 04 Apr, Richard Cassidy wrote: > > On 03 Apr, Dave Hawkins wrote: > > > On the subject of major Applets, is there any news about filters for > > HTML and Word files - I think this has been discussed before? > > While on the subject of filters could someone make the existing ones > translate in both directions where relevant? I can't be the only > person who would find it useful to output in DDF and RTF format. Is there any particular reason you'd choose DDF rather than an Impression file? -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From julian@southern.co.nz Thu Apr 9 23:36:14 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62045 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 09 Apr 98 23:36:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892154139:12:05630:0; Thu, 09 Apr 98 20:35:39 GMT Received: from [202.37.101.18] ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0604615; 9 Apr 98 20:35 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (pppd013.netaccess.co.nz [202.27.186.13]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA03138 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:34:27 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Fri,10 Apr 1998.08:38:59 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:38:22 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49? Message-ID: <85d8403448%julian@illusio.milieu.org.nz> In-Reply-To: <19980407.014050.94@pilling.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c In message <19980407.014050.94@pilling.demon.co.uk> ad-astra@clara.net ("Alan W. Wickes") wrote: > On 01 Apr, Rosalind M. Share wrote: > > I have recently bought OvationPro 2.46. I saw at the beebug Website > > an upgrade to version 2.48. I joined this List today and find people > > talking about version 2.49. Where do I get this upgrade? Or better > > still, can someone send it to me as it is so elusive? > > I've seen this type of request before, but I've yet to see a reply. > > Is there some sort of Code Of Silence operated by users of the latest > upgrade? Yes. Either that or an assumption that people will look back through the archives of files to find the answer... -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From jclegg@argonet.co.uk Fri Apr 10 01:09:08 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62049 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 01:09:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892162829:10:05336:0; Thu, 09 Apr 98 23:00:29 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1005314; 9 Apr 98 23:00 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.37) [193.130.245.37] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNQIv-0005fE-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:00:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(John Clegg) Reply-To: jclegg@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 22:12:32 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: multi-column thingy Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Thu 9 Apr 98 (02:06:03 +0100), djh39@hermes.cam.ac.uk wrote: > On Tue, 7 Apr 1998, David Pilling wrote: > >What you do is design your master page with 5 individual frames on it. > >The use the link tool to join each frame to *itself*. Now close the master > >pages, and you'll find you have 5 columns which flow through the document, > >each linked to the corresponding one of the next page. > Ermm... I bet he wants 5 identical columns: > Select Page->Edit master pages > Select the master page frame > Select Page->Page guidelines... > Set columns to 5 > Select OK > Close master pages > Insert the text file Yes I thought that at first, but what's wanted is the contents of the first file in the first column on each of the pages, the contents of the second file in the second column on each of the pages and so on. A five frame master page fills all the columns on the first page with the first file and then goes onto the second page (if the file is long enough) - not what's wanted IMHO. John -- _____ ______ ____________________________________ /_ _// __/ /__ __ __ __ __ / John Clegg jclegg@argonet.co.uk __/ / / /_/ / ._) _ ` / _ ` / / in Chorley, Lancashire, England /___/./___/_/\__/\__, /\__, / / Ribble Link pages at: ________________ /___/ /___/___/ http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jclegg From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 10 01:22:17 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62060 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 01:22:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892166982:12:06524:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:09:42 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1206519; 10 Apr 98 0:09 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yNRNy-00072e-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:09:39 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 00:54:37 GMT Message-Id: <62047@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Andy's Progs) >I've upgraded from 2.46 to 2.49, and all I get now is an error message... >saying Template Fields not found. Can anyone help? What's gone wrong? Has >anyone else had this? Yes, this is a FAQ. Open up !OvnPro, double click on !OvnResDir, try again. (I have changed things now, and we'll not see this problem in future versions. Although the person who's still running off casette tape will hate me). From: Stephen Brown >As the title suggests, I have been experiencing a few problems whilst >printing from Ovation Pro 2.48 using CC's turbo drivers and I think this >problem also existed in OP 2.46. >The problem is that OP simply freezes the computer, leaving the egg timer >pointer on screen, after printing a few pages from a large document. This is an interesting point. I have seen an effect with Laser Direct (and so has someone else). You have a specific document and if you print it in a specific way, i.e. a particular ordering of pages, then during printing the computer freezes etc. Now if you set up Laser Direct to be off line, so that all the pages are queued as printed, then put it back on line, there's no problem. My interpretation of this has been that there's some sort of bug in the LD queueing mechanism, i.e. it doesn't like pages being added at the same time as they are being removed. Thats just an allegation though, so far I don't have strong enough evidence one way or the other. What would be interesting would be observations of this effect from other printing applications. For now though you have a potential workaround - alt+click on printer driver, Queue, Pause Queue, Print, Resume Queue. >slight problem with OP: If, after having clicked on the Print button in the >print window, I then click on the printer icon on OP's button bar, before >the previous window had dissappeared, OP crashes. I'll fix it. From: Dave >Wouldn't it be possible to add an option so the user could stipulate >whether trailing pages were to be blank or follow the Master page? To add an option to either do it the current way or to fix the numbering so that it skips for missing pages is easy. To start padding chapters with extra pages is a bit more complex. The point being that you either have a page (with all the master frames) or you don't have a page. From: Brian Carroll >It might be house style, but IMHO the page number /should/ be shown. >From experience of this topic in IPub (which handles the matter very >sensibly!) it is best to keep headers & footers (one of which >includes the page number). As I feared. >> I suppose if the master pages contained other stuff like pictures, >> then the solution has to be to generate totally blank pages. >In this unlikely event you could always 'cover up' the picture as >Dave Hawkins suggests. Hardly unlikely. That amounts to saying you're never going to use Master Pages with anything other than a default frame. From: Ray Dawson >That won't work, as AFAIK, David R wanted 5 separate columns flowing >throughout the pages. >The above produces 5 columns linked to each other on the same page before >flowing to the next. But I did supply the right answer. Didn't I? 8-) From:(David Williams) >The error message is "Template Fields not found". This is a FAQ. Open up !OvnPro, double click on !OvnResDir, try again. From: Alan Muscat >I suppose it's not possible to have options >for each specific chapter. In this case you could have headers and >footers on the last page of each chapter but not the last page of I think as it stands you can set if headers/footers are omitted on the first page of any chapter. Really you have to make the things invisible, otherwise you've got a page that can be edited and then some of the things may vanish (when the page moves to one of the special positions) and then reappear later. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From andy.progs@argonet.co.uk Fri Apr 10 14:05:14 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62114 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 14:05:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892203885:09:24272:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 10:24:45 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1419983; 10 Apr 98 10:24 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.101) [193.130.245.101] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNaz8-0002zn-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:24:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Andy's Progs) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 (11:17:13 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ad Subject: Re: Help: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 10 Apr 98 (01:26:52 +0100), andy.progs@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I've done it! I risked it! It doesn't work... > >I've upgraded from 2.46 to 2.49, and all I get now is an error >message... saying Template Fields not found. Can anyone help? What's >gone wrong? Has anyone else had this? > >Cheers, > >ANdy- Thanks to everyone that helped! I had to copy it accross manually, but it works fine now. Thanks again. ANdy -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- From riotclone@zetnet.co.uk Fri Apr 10 14:06:01 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62117 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 14:06:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892199916:12:21941:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 09:18:36 GMT Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1501105; 10 Apr 98 9:18 GMT Received: from riotclone.zetnet.co.uk (man-048.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.41.59]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA12953 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:18:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dave Floyd To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:38:06 +0100 Message-ID: <48347d3f00riotclone@zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Postscript embedding In-Reply-To: <19980410.012739.75@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Apr, Ariancylch wrote: > In message <19980407.013949.48@pilling.demon.co.uk> > davefloyd@zetnet.co.uk (Dave) wrote: > > > > While on the subject of filters could someone make the existing ones > > translate in both directions where relevant? I can't be the only > > person who would find it useful to output in DDF and RTF format. > Is there any particular reason you'd choose DDF rather than an > Impression file? None at all. Just figured that it would be a far more difficult undertaking to get OP outputting directly to an Impression file. Dave -- Visit the Riot/Clone website: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/riotclone/ email: riotclone@zetnet.co.uk or : DaveFloyd@arcade.demon.co.uk From ecdbv@xs4all.nl Fri Apr 10 14:06:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62118 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 14:06:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892201762:15:12170:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 09:49:22 GMT Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl ([194.109.6.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0602302; 10 Apr 98 9:49 GMT Received: from ecdbv.xs4all.nl (ztm10-08.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.48.41]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA27847 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:49:19 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:46:14 +0100 (BST) From: ECD Computers Subject: Re: Special problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980410.012753.97@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] Hi David, One of my customers (Impression user) has a special problem. If we can solve it I might be able to sell him Ovation(!). The problem: A booklet has to be produced with three columns in three different languages, the languages have to flow sequentially from page to page. Embedded frames have to be inserted at the caret of the language that needs more space (probably Dutch). The problem with Impression is that an embedded frame will never be larger than the columnwidth so it is not possible to make a photo as large as one wants (covering one, two or three columns). The size of the masterpage has to be 21 cm x 21 cm. Do you have a solution? Thanks in advance... Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Andre van den Berg ECD Computers Patrijsweg 16 2289 EX Rijswijk / The Netherlands Tel. +31(0)70 319 4343 Fax: +31(0)70 319 4963 VATNo: NL009507590B01 E-mail Acorn: ecdbv@xs4all.nl E-mail PC's : info@ecd.nl E-mail Detachering: detachering@ecd.nl Homepage: http//www.ecd.nl From delink@wxs.nl Fri Apr 10 16:29:50 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62126 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 16:29:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892217131:12:21842:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 14:05:31 GMT Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl ([195.121.6.61]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0508346; 10 Apr 98 14:05 GMT Received: from delink.wxs.nl ([195.121.64.156]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5) with SMTP id AAA2D77 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:24:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Paul Sprangers To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:24:08 +0200 Message-ID: <48349cece9delink@news.wxs.nl> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Styles, embedded in import files Content-Type: text/plain I wonder who can help me. >From a database I want to export a number of data to OvationPro. But I also want to embed some predefined styles, such as Bold, Italic and so on. Exporting to Publisher was quite simple: adding a string like {"Bold" on} did the job. But how to do this in Ovation? (Copying style names from the DDL-output gives exotic errors). The export file from the database is a plain text file. Which codes do I have to add to produce bold and italic etc.? Kind regards, Paul Sprangers From jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk Fri Apr 10 18:06:50 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62133 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 18:06:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892224294:12:12861:2; Fri, 10 Apr 98 16:04:54 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605988; 10 Apr 98 16:04 GMT Received: from (193.130.247.30) [193.130.247.30] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNgIJ-0006kY-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:04:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:00:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4834ab4320jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: AutoSave Return-Receipt-To: jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain I am using v2.49 with auto save selected and prompt for auto save selected in Document preferences general, and give warnings selected in iconbar menu choices general. The auto save window comes up in due time but with no sound warning. The result is that as I normally watch the keyboard while I type I don't see this and I find that I have been typing away for nothing until I notice it. I have searched the manual but have failed to find any reference to setting sound on or off with this warning. Can anyone tell me if it can be turned on, and if so how? (Please don't tell me to learn to touch type - I'm too old to learn tricks like that!) TIA -- Graham ZFC S+ jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 10 20:50:33 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62135 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 10 Apr 98 20:50:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892231693:05:27465:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 18:08:13 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0527422; 10 Apr 98 18:08 GMT Received: from (infotech.demon.co.uk) [158.152.71.246] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yNiDc-0002W3-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:08:05 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:06:17 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: Upgrade from 2.46 to 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980410.012753.97@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Fri 10 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > > From:(Andy's Progs) > > >I've upgraded from 2.46 to 2.49, and all I get now is an error message... > >saying Template Fields not found. Can anyone help? What's gone wrong? Has > >anyone else had this? > > Yes, this is a FAQ. Open up !OvnPro, double click on !OvnResDir, try again. Sorry. This still does not work and get the error message: Template Fields not found. What I then did was to drom the update OvnPro onto y copy of Ovation Pro and it worked. I am rather puzzled and would appreciate to know why your solution did not work. Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 11 01:12:50 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62153 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 01:12:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892243955:12:06022:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 21:32:35 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0501834; 10 Apr 98 21:32 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yNlP6-0006vk-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:32:08 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 22:30:56 GMT Message-Id: <62150@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: ECD Computers >The problem with Impression is that an embedded frame will >never be larger than the columnwidth so it is not possible to make >a photo as large as one wants (covering one, two or three columns). >Do you have a solution? Well you can do everything, except have embedded frames that extend outside the text flow they are embedded in. From: Paul Sprangers >From a database I want to export a number of data to OvationPro. >But I also want to embed some predefined styles, such as Bold, Italic >Exporting to Publisher was quite simple: adding a string like {"Bold" on} >did the job. But how to do this in Ovation? >(Copying style names from the DDL-output gives exotic errors). My advice, is to do it just as you did with Impression. You must set up the DDF loader to intercept all text files though, or settype your database export file to the type we gave DDF (0x707 from memory). OPro is just as happy with DDF as Impression is. DDF is a nice language for simple marking up of a text story. From: Graham Jenkins >I am using v2.49 with auto save selected and prompt for auto save selected >in Document preferences general, and give warnings selected in iconbar >menu choices general. The auto save window comes up in due time but with >no sound warning. This problem has been discussed before. And I've not done anything about it. I can certainly make it go 'beep' without much effort. From: "Rosalind M. Share" >> Yes, this is a FAQ. Open up !OvnPro, double click on !OvnResDir, try again. >Sorry. This still does not work and get the error message: Template Fields >not found. What I then did was to drom the update OvnPro onto y copy of >Ovation Pro and it worked. I am rather puzzled and would appreciate to know >why your solution did not work. The upgrade instructions state that you have to copy the supplied new !OvnPro over the one you're upgrading. The 'Template Field not found' error means that OPro is looking at a template file which is too old. That can be due to paths not being set up (so the double click) or it can be because you didn't copy over the new file, or because you have the wrong copy options set up and so the old file didn't replace the new one. From:(Steve Yandell) >Since upgrading to OP 249, I have a minor problem; each time I open the print >control box (ie click on the print icon) the box after "From" has the info >"1PR15"; clicking on the "all" (pages) button generates an error message "Bad PR15 is a translatable text tag. It should reside in the programs main Messages file in !OvnResDir. And of course it translates into the word 'to'. It's all very ironic, this is the experience with the 'Template Field not found' in Templates repeated on the Messages file. So same fix. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From steyan@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 11 01:12:52 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62155 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 01:12:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892244658:12:11217:0; Fri, 10 Apr 98 21:44:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1211149; 10 Apr 98 21:44 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.170) [193.130.250.170] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNlaj-0003QX-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:44:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 22:19:11 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: Re: Help: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 10 Apr 98 (01:26:52 +0100), andy.progs@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I've done it! I risked it! It doesn't work... > >I've upgraded from 2.46 to 2.49, and all I get now is an error >message... saying Template Fields not found. Can anyone help? What's >gone wrong? Has anyone else had this? > >Cheers, > >ANdy- Yes - I've stumbled on this one. The answer lies in !OvPro.!OvResDir.UK not being present in the upgraded version; if you open the !OvPro which accompanies the upgrade utility and copy the directory over, it cures the problem. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From steyan@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 11 01:12:56 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62157 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 01:12:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892244659:12:11193:2; Fri, 10 Apr 98 21:44:19 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600353; 10 Apr 98 21:44 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.170) [193.130.250.170] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNlao-0003QX-00; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:44:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Steve Yandell) Reply-To: steyan@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Apr 98 22:40:45 BST X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.08 : hz Subject: OP249 and a print problem Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Since upgrading to OP 249, I have a minor problem; each time I open the print control box (ie click on the print icon) the box after "From" has the info "1PR15"; clicking on the "all" (pages) button generates an error message "Bad page number" (quite understandably!). I can, and have to, edit the offending "1PR15" to "1" and enter an end page number - at which point all goes well, the printer chatters away merrily. But could anyone suggest how I remove the offending page number permanently? I also use Warm Silence's "FastSpool+", an excellent printer spooling utility; could this have any bearing? It worked perfectly with OP248 Steve Yandell -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ steyan@argonet.co.uk From m.a.hambley@hw.ac.uk Sat Apr 11 14:49:53 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62212 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 14:49:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892277137:05:26906:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 06:45:37 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.151.253]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0526872; 11 Apr 98 6:45 GMT Received: from ceemah (actually host annexuser1.cen.hw.ac.uk) by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:45:29 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:54:29 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Help: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49 Message-ID: <4834C0A9B6%ceemah@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980410.012652.71@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21_ X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i In message <19980410.012652.71@pilling.demon.co.uk> andy.progs@argonet.co.uk (Andy's Progs) wrote: > I've done it! I risked it! It doesn't work... > > I've upgraded from 2.46 to 2.49, and all I get now is an error message... > saying Template Fields not found. Can anyone help? What's gone wrong? Has > anyone else had this? It sounds to me like the new copy is getting confused with the old copy. My solution was to move my old version into a directory which is never seen on boot up or in normal use. I then reset my machine and the new version worked just fine as it wasn't trying to use the templates from the old version any more. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ---------------------\ "Tell me what you know or I'll pee term : ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk \ in your ear." holiday : mhambley@arcade.demon.co.uk \ Gaspode interviews a gargoyle WWW : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceemah/ \--------------------------------- From m.a.hambley@hw.ac.uk Sat Apr 11 14:49:55 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62213 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 14:49:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892277232:15:14498:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 06:47:12 GMT Received: from pp.hw.ac.uk ([137.195.151.253]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1514486; 11 Apr 98 6:47 GMT Received: from ceemah (actually host annexuser1.cen.hw.ac.uk) by pp.hw.ac.uk with SMTP(trusted); Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:45:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:57:18 +0100 From: Matthew Hambley To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Mathematical symbols in OvPro Message-ID: <4834C0EC15%ceemah@hw.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980409.020653.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Beyond the Reality Barrier X-Mailer: Messenger v1.11 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21_ X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59i In message <19980409.020653.56@pilling.demon.co.uk> prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk (Philip Ingram) wrote: > I recently needed to use the mathematical terms and in the > body text of a document. The symbols occurred too frequently for it to be > practical to use Equasor created draw files at each point so I used !FontEd > to bodge the necessary characters. > Can anyone suggest a less kludgy way of doing this? Isn't that what the single synbol font is for? I've never used it but I believe it drops into a specified font for just one character and then returns you to whatever you had before. If you set this to one of your mathematical fonts then everything should work fine. I'm not sure what an "xbar" is but I asume it's something like a hyphen. -- (\/)atthew Hambley ---------------------\ "Tell me what you know or I'll pee term : ceemah@cee.hw.ac.uk \ in your ear." holiday : mhambley@arcade.demon.co.uk \ Gaspode interviews a gargoyle WWW : http://www.cee.hw.ac.uk/~ceemah/ \--------------------------------- From jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 11 14:50:02 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62216 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 14:50:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892281121:15:10773:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 07:52:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1210153; 11 Apr 98 7:51 GMT Received: from (193.130.248.209) [193.130.248.209] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yNv4p-0000UT-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:51:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Graham Jenkins To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 06:36:10 +0100 Message-ID: <4834f5eb1fjenpyjay@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: AutoSave In-Reply-To: <19980411.013622.21@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain On 11 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > From: Graham Jenkins > >I am using v2.49 with auto save selected and prompt for auto save selected > >in Document preferences general, and give warnings selected in iconbar > >menu choices general. The auto save window comes up in due time but with > >no sound warning. > This problem has been discussed before. And I've not done anything about it. > I can certainly make it go 'beep' without much effort. Then please do it soon!!! Many thanks :-) -- Graham ZFC S+ jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk From paul@tyto.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 11 16:31:34 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62233 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 16:31:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892305147:12:19552:1; Sat, 11 Apr 98 14:32:27 GMT Received: from post-10.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.39]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605339; 11 Apr 98 14:32 GMT Received: from tyto.demon.co.uk ([194.222.110.18]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1026745; 11 Apr 98 14:32 GMT Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:26:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Paul Hutton Subject: Button bar queries and printing query To: Ovation Pro Support Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Button bar questions 1. I have recently upgraded to version 2.49. Does anyone know how to get multibutton bars permanently? With 2.46 there was a multirow file which you could put into autorun, but I have tried copying this to no avail with 2.49. Even using this with the misc/macros/save/overwrite default, I get no luck. It keeps reverting to a single bar when shutdown and restarted. 2. Is there a way of having ALL the buttons in just one bar at the top, instead of the standard three? Printing Query With 2.49, when I try printing, I keep getting bad page number errors, even with "All Pages" selected. -- Paul Hutton on an Acorn Risc PC with Strong Arm "Peu s'en fallut que je ne mourusse d'ennui dans mon village" A beautiful French sentence... From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 11 19:37:12 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62237 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 19:37:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892318030:05:00839:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 18:07:10 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.40]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0500816; 11 Apr 98 18:07 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yO4gC-0005vp-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:07:05 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:36:51 GMT Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:34:26 +0100 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Is 2.49 working successfully? Message-ID: <49de9d3448%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f By lack of bug reports mentioned here about 2.49, it sounds safe to upgrade. Agreed? Anyone done any successful(or otherwise) commercial printing with 2.49? And if/before I do upgrade, just let me know, Mr P. that 2.50 isn't about to appear; I'll wait if it is. Thanks -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From jdclark@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 11 19:37:15 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62238 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 19:37:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892319462:15:09279:2; Sat, 11 Apr 98 18:31:02 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0513237; 11 Apr 98 18:30 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.100) [193.130.246.100] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yO53G-0007St-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:30:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Mr J Clark To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:45:02 +0100 Message-ID: <4834ba4e38jdclark@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980410.012710.13@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: jdclark@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Apr, Dave wrote: > On 09 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > > >2) At the end of a chapter add a new page (Misc->Insert->New page). If > > > you've got headers/footers/etc. then stick a new frame on the > > > page, which covers everything and has its Text Flow set to no > > > runaround. > > That was the problem I wondered about, should these extra pages be > > totally blank or not. Or is it just a matter of house style. > > If I adopted the solution of fixing the numbering then the pages would > > be blank, and if I added extra pages you'd get headers and so on, which > > leads to ideas like omitting headers on the last page of chapters. > > I suppose if the master pages contained other stuff like pictures, > > then the solution has to be to generate totally blank pages. > I think the only thing you can be sure about there is that whichever way > you do it, someone will want the opposite. > Wouldn't it be possible to add an option so the user could stipulate > whether trailing pages were to be blank or follow the Master page? > Dave To further complicate the problem, one of our customers at work requires that blank pages indicate that they supposed to be blank and are not caused by (say) a printer error. So we have to put the (paradoxical) text 'Intentionally blank page' in the middle of otherwise blank pages used to force chapters to start on odd pages. We also have to use Word, and although this has the option to start sections on odd numbered pages, it uses a blank page for the padding, so we cannot make use of this feature. Instead just before printing we have to check each chapter start and insert/remove the non-blank padding pages as appropriate. So for these cases, the ideal solution would for the program to generate the padding page where necessary and add the headers/footers from the master page, and add some user supplied text or frame as well! I don't/can't use OP at work so I'm not asking for this feature, but I suspect it may be useful to others. John -- _________ jdclark@argonet.co.uk From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 11 22:41:46 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62249 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 22:41:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892327237:12:16983:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 20:40:37 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1505552; 11 Apr 98 20:40 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yO74W-0002jl-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 21:40:20 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 19:53:59 GMT Message-Id: <62241@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Paul Hutton >1. I have recently upgraded to version 2.49. Does anyone know how to get >multibutton bars permanently? The button bar is set up by the !Macros file in Autorun. If you have the same files in Autorun as in your old copy of OPro, you'll get the same buttons and layout. The typical catches are that you now have a !Macros in addition to the old multi row button bar set up file, and because !Macros gets executed after that file, it's definitions overwrite them. >2. Is there a way of having ALL the buttons in just one bar at the top, >instead of the standard three? Yes, you can enable all the buttons (setting off from the default single row). Buttons are enabled from the Macros window, using the button on the right hand side. The button bar is completely configurable by the user, with drag and drop editing. The only snag is that you have to save the current Macros to preserve it's configuration. >With 2.49, when I try printing, I keep getting bad page number errors, even >with "All Pages" selected. I refer you to my reply yesterday - you've not updated the Messages file in the new version. From: Alan Muscat >By lack of bug reports mentioned here about 2.49, >it sounds safe to upgrade. Agreed? >And if/before I do upgrade, just let me know, Mr P. >that 2.50 isn't about to appear; I'll wait if it is. Yes, quite right, there have been no bug reports for 2.49. Although you can't take that as meaning it's perfect it is a good sign. I said I'd say when 2.49 was safe. Well I guess it is now fairly safe. Although I've done some more minor bug fixing since 2.49, I don't think you can expect to see a new version anytime soon. I've been skiving (writing scanner drivers...). From: Mr J Clark >To further complicate the problem, one of our customers at work requires >that blank pages indicate that they supposed to be blank and are not >caused by (say) a printer error. So we have to put the (paradoxical) text >'Intentionally blank page' in the middle of otherwise blank pages used to >force chapters to start on odd pages. Good point. I guess the ideal solution would be to allow a master page to be defined for such 'blank' pages for each chapter. That wouldn't be too hard. I've surveyed some books I own, mostly of US origin, the odd filling pages in them are totally blank. So I think immediately, I'll add a button to allow the numbering to be correct, and completely blank pages to be printed out (as now). From:( S Morris) >I have now upgraded to v 2.49, but cannot get Impkeys or MultiRow to autorun. I >have loaded them into the !OvnPro.AutoRun directory. I have tried everything I >can think of. Any ideas, please? Just as above, that some other file in AutoRun is now clearing all the macros and redefining them. >BTW is v2.49 still a test version? I'm aware of no bugs. From: Stephen Brown >I've just tried this, but sadly the computer still freezes after processing >only 8 (left) pages from a large document, 42 pages and 1.2Mb in size. Because you can print out the pages one at a time, you can rule out something unpleasant on the page being rendered e.g. a JPEG. I suppose one possibility is that the Turbos are using memory and eventually OPro runs out. Thats a way of putting the blame onto OPro. Other things to try would be setting up OPro to have printmode 0 (first argument of printchoices in Autorun.!Choices) so that it polls whilst printing and then select "pause" (between pages) on the print dbox. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From stuart.morris@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 11 23:26:30 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62254 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 23:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892331885:15:10371:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 21:58:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1225362; 11 Apr 98 21:58 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.48) [193.130.251.48] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yO8Hi-0002GA-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:58:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:( S Morris) Reply-To: stuart.morris@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 11 Apr 98 22:58:24 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: v 2.49 Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I have now upgraded to v 2.49, but cannot get Impkeys or MultiRow to autorun. I have loaded them into the !OvnPro.AutoRun directory. I have tried everything I can think of. Any ideas, please? BTW is v2.49 still a test version? -- stuart.morris@argonet.co.uk From stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Sat Apr 11 23:26:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62255 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 11 Apr 98 23:26:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892332603:12:01091:0; Sat, 11 Apr 98 22:10:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618688; 11 Apr 98 22:09 GMT Received: from (193.130.253.94) [193.130.253.94] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yO8TF-0002NN-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:09:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stephen Brown To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:00:11 +0100 Message-ID: <48351e91b8stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980410.012753.97@pilling.demon.co.uk> Return-Receipt-To: stephen.brown@argonet.co.uk Content-Type: text/plain On 10 Apr, David Pilling wrote: > From: Stephen Brown > >As the title suggests, I have been experiencing a few problems whilst > >printing from Ovation Pro 2.48 using CC's turbo drivers and I think this > >problem also existed in OP 2.46. > >The problem is that OP simply freezes the computer, leaving the egg timer > >pointer on screen, after printing a few pages from a large document. > This is an interesting point. I have seen an effect with Laser Direct (and > so has someone else). You have a specific document and if you print it in a > specific way, i.e. a particular ordering of pages, then during printing the > computer freezes etc. > Now if you set up Laser Direct to be off line, so that all the pages are > queued as printed, then put it back on line, there's no problem. I've just tried this, but sadly the computer still freezes after processing only 8 (left) pages from a large document, 42 pages and 1.2Mb in size. Interstingly, if I ask it to print the right hand pages from the same document, it is able to process 16 pages before the computer freezes. Repeating the same with another large document, 62 pages and 660k in size, the computer freezes after processing, left, 26 pages, right, 25 pages. I have also tried printing the document to a file but the computer still freezes at exactly the same spot. As a final resort, I went back to using Acorn's printer drivers, Canon BJ200, and both documents print without any problems at all, so I guess the problem may lie with CC's Turbo drivers, although I can't remember experiencing such troubles before. Steve. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ SA Risc PC, 18Mb, 3Gb HD / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| From david@zephryus.demon.co.uk Sun Apr 12 01:00:26 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62288 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 12 Apr 98 01:00:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892334986:15:02990:1; Sat, 11 Apr 98 22:49:46 GMT Received: from post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.41]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1220339; 11 Apr 98 22:49 GMT Received: from (zephryus) [158.152.43.102] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yO95j-0002GM-00; Sat, 11 Apr 1998 23:49:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: David Robinson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4835440c9bdavid@zephryus.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08d for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: multi-column links In-Reply-To: <19980402.015246.73@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Many thanks to all who helped out. To clear up any confusion, what I was after was a set of columns which were independent of each other, and would flow over repeated pages as if they were continuous long columns, not five columns linked it each other on the same page. Problem now solved, thanks :-) -- Cheers, David From dkscully@argonet.co.uk Sun Apr 12 02:10:35 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62304 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 12 Apr 98 02:10:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892340579:12:05212:0; Sun, 12 Apr 98 00:22:59 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0511900; 12 Apr 98 0:22 GMT Received: from (193.130.244.82) [193.130.244.82] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yOAXs-0004WM-00; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:22:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Dana K Scully To: Ovation Pro Mailing List Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:22:27 +0100 Message-ID: <48355d0845dkscully@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.08d for RISC OS 3.5 Subject: RTF Content-Type: text/plain Hi there. I know I can import RTF files into Ovation Pro. I can't see anything obvious about saving out as RTF. Is this possible? Has someone produced an applet to convert DDL to RTF, perhaps? Help? LGM * I'll tell ya, life aint easy for a boy named Sue! -- | |\/| / BSc (Hons) Chemistry (So'ton), ZFC A (Sc) |__esley | |itchell / dkscully@argonet.co.uk A woman of many talents. (possibly?) ;) From pixeleye@online.no Sun Apr 12 14:18:38 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA62320 for ovationp-l ; Sun, 12 Apr 98 14:18:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 892353486:05:10928:0; Sun, 12 Apr 98 03:58:06 GMT Received: from pilt.online.no ([193.212.1.34]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518697; 12 Apr 98 3:58 GMT Received: from pixeleye.online.no (ti34a08-0005.dialup.online.no [130.67.66.5]) by online.no (8.8.8/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA19921 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 1998 05:58:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 05:50:48 +0000 (GMT+1) From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" Subject: New version priorities To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Sometimes. X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Hi, I've been fairly busy lately (work, relaxing, cat giving birth etc.) and so only read the list passively. Must also admit that I've used OP (2.49) for too mundane tasks to elicit any errors of an "interesting" nature from it. 8) Overall, it only seems to lack a few niggles (such as indexing/contents generation, make the "text flow" tool work with embedded graphic-frames, view seps in grayscale, and a flexible and intelligent per-writable-field "unit-choosing" system) in order to get it "right" as a killer overall tool for advanced page layout/construction. It already is rather stunning. I'd like to go a bit further in this posting, advance some thoughts towards where it may go next. My emphasis is on Ovation Pro being a page layout program first and foremost with typographical control and output excellence far beyond that of the ordinary "wordprocessor" (it already beats "biggies" like Quark etc. to a pulp in several areas, mostly due to Q.'s imbecile way of handling frames and textflow). This is an open "wishlist" with some consideration towards the officially stated ambition of making it more "internet friendly" (HTML mode/output - bye bye typography and design) but also towards making it more appealing to traditional and demanding "paper" needs. Some of it is rather nasty to program I guess (sorry David ;), and it is hard to prioritise saying "this is more important than that" but overall, it is a quite logical progression. I skip functionality I know/assume will be provided by other parties. The "price" bits are only -ish suggestions, totally dependent on the *real* scope/developing costs of each new "radical functionality increase" which may be bundled at a lower total cost. Let's be realistic; "even" we must pay for advanced software funtionality. Here's my List: * HTML input/output "mode", with the ability to emulate common