From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:30 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58348 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832215:15:02112:80; Mon, 02 Mar 98 09:50:15 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0610220; 2 Mar 98 9:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag0106139; 2 Mar 98 9:49 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:24:04 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Tile printing costing me money To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092404.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:40:21 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c T'other day I created an A3 poster. In the master page I gave the page a 'colour' (to fill all the page). On printing the poster as a tile, 4 A4 pages were used as expected. What I didn't expect was the 'background' colour to fill all 4 pages right up to the edge except for the normal small margin of an inkjet printer, rather than just just the A3 boundaries. While I suspect putting the background colour in a frame the size of the page would contain the colour, I haven't tested this. Needless to say this 'effect' used up a heck of a lot of colour ink, which costs 25ukp a throw. Is this this the way it's supposed to work? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:34 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58350 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832215:12:09051:79; Mon, 02 Mar 98 09:50:15 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0610315; 2 Mar 98 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af0106139; 2 Mar 98 9:49 GMT From: Rob Hemmings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:23:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Spelling and Drop caps To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092344.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 (18:22:14 +0000) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Has anyone else noticed that when you switch on the highlighting of spelling errors a word including a drop capital is not treated correctly. E.g. Lots is shown as a spelling error if the L is a drop capital. Despite this if you then do a spelling check of the document Ovation reports no spelling errors - but still keeps the red underline. (I'm using Ovation 2.48.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58353 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832238:15:02243:79; Mon, 02 Mar 98 09:50:38 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0610515; 2 Mar 98 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah0106139; 2 Mar 98 9:50 GMT From: Ketil Kristiansen Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:24:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Problems with 2.48 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092425.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 11:29:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've discovered what I believe are a couple of (minor) bugs in OP 2.48, and I can't remember seeing them mentioned here: - ctrl-X doesn't work for objects: I have to go to the edit menu or use the button-bar to cut anything but text. - In the "Modify text" dialogue, "Track" never changes to "Kern", and the only way I've found to apply kerning (other than by ^' / ^;) is to select two letters and adjust the tracking. - When using ^; and ^' to adjust kerning, keyboard repeat doesn't work for ^; - Selecting an object by dragging and then cutting it usually leaves a small horizontal line where the top of the highlighting was. (This has probably been mentioned here before.) Can anyone confirm (or deny :-) this? -Ketil -- +++ DIVIDE BY CUCUMBER ERROR: Please reinstall universe and reboot +++ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:45 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58355 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832268:05:10375:81; Mon, 02 Mar 98 09:51:08 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0610757; 2 Mar 98 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai0106139; 2 Mar 98 9:50 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:25:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: OEFPro and Font Directory Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092525.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 17:17:00 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've modified !OEFPro so that it should work with Font Directory Pro as well as Easy Font Professional. Unfortunately I can't test it with FD Pro, because I don't use it. OEFPro enables Ovation Pro to activate missing fonts which are used in documents. You should never see a 'missing font' dialogue box unless you *really* don't have that font. This all happens invisibly. A beta release of version 1.30 of OEFPro is available at . If someone would be kind enough to test it with FD Pro and let me know how it gets on, I'll link it from my software page. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:50 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58357 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832330:15:02588:79; Mon, 02 Mar 98 09:52:10 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611195; 2 Mar 98 9:52 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj0106139; 2 Mar 98 9:51 GMT From: Fred Bambrough Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:25:45 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: DDL shifts frames? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092545.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 01:10:27 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've been setting up a stationery file to give me a DL size envelope template. I created a new paper size to suite for Printers then created the page with OP. This consisted of a frame slightly smaller than the print margins with a smaller frame inside to take the address. I saved the file as DDL as recommended. On reloading I find that the frames are shifted to the right sufficiently to overlap the print margin. For the time being I've resaved the file as OP and this works fine but I would like to use DDL to protect from inadvertently overwriting. Is this a bug? I'm using OP v 2.46. -- Fred Mailto:fred@ypical.demon.co.uk PGP key available To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:54 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58359 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832989:15:04535:84; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:03:09 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al0616490; 2 Mar 98 10:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:02 GMT From: Elliot Grosvenor Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:22:41 +0000 Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. Subject: Re: User Interface To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092241.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:42:08 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I think you were a bit harsh, after all Opro is a different program and I'm sure the programmers' brief wasn't to come up with a re-written clone of Publisher. Quark doesn't look or behave like Pagemaker after all. I do agree with this bit to a degree though... > The other complaint is with all these writable menus. Why not just > have the display field editable, and also allow for the pop up menu > list for selection. This means I can click and edit straight away > rather than having to open up a menu, position the mouse over the > correct field, move to the keyboard making sure the mouse does not > move and enter a value. For a simple example look at the text size > field in Publishers toolbar - Simple and easy. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:47:57 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58360 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:47:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888832989:15:04564:79; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:03:09 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0616588; 2 Mar 98 10:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:02 GMT From: Elliot Grosvenor Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:22:19 +0000 Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. Subject: Re: Knocking out graphics To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092219.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:31:17 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980224.091106.28@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > However, OPro still doesn't knock out graphics. > As an example: a vector file, containing a lot of white, placed upon a > spotcoloured background, will loose its white and gain the spotcolour > instead in the eventual print. Your'e right! White isnt treated properly. It seems to be being treated as transparent and isnt knocked out of the background. Even if its made into a spot colour in OPro and in ArtWorks (a bit folly anyway as doing this causes other problems). If we're right this is a serious problem (and not immediately obvious until expensive film has been produced) and will also force me to use Impression for jobs where this occurs. I'm pleased I found out now. I have difficulty using spot colours that have been used in ArtWorks at all. I know I have to define the exact same colour with the same name in OPro but it doesn't seem to work. Have I forgoten something? -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:48:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58362 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:48:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888833059:15:04740:84; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:04:19 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0617149; 2 Mar 98 10:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:03 GMT From: Paul Sprangers Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:21:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Knocking out graphics from the background To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092158.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:34:04 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 26 Feb, David Pilling answered my question: > >However, OPro still doesn't knock out graphics. > >As an example: a vector file, containing a lot of white, placed upon a > >spotcoloured background, will loose its white and gain the spotcolour > >instead in the eventual print. > >Is there any chance that this will change in the near future? > To be honest, the only problem here is working out if the correct way > of doing things is the way it works now, or the way you're proposing. > If it *is* wrong then I will certainly fix it now. I hate to say this, but I think it *IS* wrong. Suppose I have a page, covered with a green background (spotcolour). Now I want to display a map on it, containing a lot of white (streets, area's etc...). The only way to display this white in the eventual print, is to knock the map out from the background... (how else can I explain this?) On screen everything is fine (white colours on a coloured background), so you may expect that this won't change when printing separate plates. But it does! (By the way, the same is true for any other colour than white, including shades of grey - e.g. greyscale photographs!). I actually can't think of an example that doesn't show the need of knocking out graphics, but perhaps my fantasy is limited. At least I would like to have the choice, whether or not knocking out graphics. The way it works now, makes OPro useless for my daily work! Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:48:07 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58364 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:48:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888833063:05:16340:81; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:04:23 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0617124; 2 Mar 98 10:03 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:02 GMT From: Michael Ben-Gershon Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:23:01 +0000 Organization: My Office Subject: Re: Lists and footnotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092301.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:54:42 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Rupert Thompson wrote: > > On Mon 23 Feb, Dave Hawkins wrote: > > > Footnotes: > > Again can this be done automatically or am I going to have to mess about > > with adding extra frames for them? > > Footnotes, no. You'll have to faff around with frames by hand. If you > can settle for end notes, there's an applet which handles them with > automatic renumbering etc. available from my website. (There's a *much* > earlier version on the Beebug website, but this lacks an awful lot of > functionality). Just a wild thought, but if you could implement frames which could expand, with their top growing upwards, and repelling text in other frames, you would be able to implement footnotes by dumping the text into those frames, and setting their size appropriately. I suppose they could be some special case of footers, which are linked to the main frame on the page anyway. Of course, such a scheme is probably far from trivial :-) Maybe even more difficult than implementing right to left text :-) Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:48:12 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58366 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:48:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888833105:12:14678:93; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:05:05 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0617663; 2 Mar 98 10:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:04 GMT From: Chris Manning Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:25:05 +0000 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: Accessing the web via email (was Re: Central applet site (Was: To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092505.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:04:22 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980225.155704.28@risc.demon.co.uk> "andy.ling@quantel.com" wrote: > Completely off topic I know, So I'd better keep my reply short. ;-) > There are a number of mail servers that you can send requests to for > a particular web page/file. This will then be mailed back to you. Indeed, but the only one I could ever get to work reliably is in Japan. A few years ago files were on ftp sites, those sites had full file listings in well defined places, many of them had facilities for mailing files to those with no access to ftp, ftp-by-mail servers were plentiful and easy to use. Download the file list. Decide what you want. Email your request. Wait for your files. Files are inreasingly being put on http sites, which never seem to include a "road map". Download the index page. Decide which links look interesting. Email a request. Wait for those pages. Decide which links look interesting, email, wait, email, wait, email... And if you have the temerity to request a page of more than 5,000 lines (after zipping and uuencoding) the server refuses, but sends you the first 5,000 as a punishment for being so greedy. My experience is that the system's quite unusable. > Now back to matters OvPro Indeed. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:48:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58368 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:48:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888833123:12:14782:104; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:05:23 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0617697; 2 Mar 98 10:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:03 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:23:22 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Postscript printing with Ovation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092322.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:20:31 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980226.085526.22@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On 24 Feb, Alan Muscat wrote: > > > Are there any Acorn users out there who fairly regularly generate > > colour postscript files, from single pages to multi-page documents, > > for professional quality printing?(using Ovation Pro of course) > > > What is your success rate? Is it fairly safe? I know that I can send > > files to TJ Repro and have Tony create postscript files which are > > then sent to the imagesetter, or I could use Alternative Publishing > > who convert to postscript but have film and print done externally. > > I do this sort of thing very regularly and, barring initial trauma on > the part of the imagesetter people about 'What's an Acorn?' have only had > difficulties caused by their error - like the brand new imagesetter which > wasn't able (because of software problem) to handle files with the width of > the film (like 450mm film and 330 mm max width for a file. All I have had > to do was ask which way they wanted the postscript > What do you mean by this last point. Also is there no more to do than install the level 2 pdf into the printer manager to obtain level 2 or is there anything more to do different to level 1. What does level 2 offer over level 1? Thanks -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 2 18:48:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58370 for opro ; Mon, 02 Mar 98 18:48:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 888833186:05:17291:80; Mon, 02 Mar 98 10:06:26 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0618179; 2 Mar 98 10:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag0111084; 2 Mar 98 10:05 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 09:24:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980302.092444.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:57:12 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu, 26 Feb 1998, David Pilling wrote: > From: Paul Sprangers > > >However, OPro still doesn't knock out graphics. > >As an example: a vector file, containing a lot of white, placed upon a > >spotcoloured background, will loose its white and gain the spotcolour > >instead in the eventual print. > >Is there any chance that this will change in the near future? > > To be honest, the only problem here is working out if the correct way > of doing things is the way it works now, or the way you're proposing. > If it *is* wrong then I will certainly fix it now. I think this is very job dependent - I can see reasons for having it run either way... (indeed, I've actually run jobs where I've wanted it to run both ways!) Perhaps the best compromise would be for white to knock out *if* it is set to overprint in the Edit Colours dialogue. Better still would be overprinting on an object level (I seem to recall this was a feature abandoned?) In the meantime, there is an alternative for monochrome files (e.g. logo bitmaps) - set appropriate duotones and it should work (if I recall correctly). Unfortunately, I only discovered this workaround *after* one job had gone to press without a logo knocked-out :-( > At the same time I've got an idea for handling Draw files, there's been a > lot of trouble regarding using Draw files for spots. My idea is that if you > define a colour in OPro called DXRRGGBB where RR is a Draw RGB value 0..255 > then when the Draw file is printed, any colour with exactly those amounts of > RGB will map to the OPro colour. So that gets you spots and so on from Draw > files. Sounds like an excellent idea. It might be better still to create a chart, (sounds like a nice simple programming exercise ;-) entitled 'Draw', so you can physically pick colours, and be sure of not typing/dragging the wrong value. Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 4 13:57:02 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58539 for opro ; Wed, 04 Mar 98 13:57:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889005634:15:16478:79; Wed, 04 Mar 98 10:00:34 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601047; 4 Mar 98 10:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac0103770; 4 Mar 98 10:00 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:54:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Problems with 2.48 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980304.095451.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:22:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 02 Mar, Ketil Kristiansen wrote: > I've discovered what I believe are a couple of (minor) bugs in > OP 2.48, and I can't remember seeing them mentioned here: > > - ctrl-X doesn't work for objects: I have to go to the edit menu > or use the button-bar to cut anything but text. This sounds like a problem which early versions of my !EndNotes applet caused. It should have been fixed if you're using the latest version, 2.82 (The copy on the Beebug website is only about version 2.00.) I can delete objects using C_X here ... -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 4 13:57:07 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58541 for opro ; Wed, 04 Mar 98 13:57:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889005640:12:10266:79; Wed, 04 Mar 98 10:00:40 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601010; 4 Mar 98 10:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab0103770; 4 Mar 98 9:59 GMT From: Ian Lowry Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:54:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: OEFPro v1.30 and Font Directory Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980304.095431.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:57:45 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c For those of you using FD Pro, I've spent the morning trying to break Rupert Thompson's latest applet. It seems rock solid on my system (64Mb SARPC). I have thrown lots of documents at it, even some with more than a dozen different fonts in them. It passed with flying colours and is absolutely transparent in use. No more worries about activating fonts. Although this was quite simple before, just drop doc on FD Pro Iconbar icon, it was always preceded by an error message and boxes to tick. Forget all that; no need to have any fonts active at all now . Just double-click on the doc and the applet does everything else. All it really needs is a better name - KickFonts? Ian -- Cardiff - Soon to be home to the Welsh Assembly Iechyd da i bob Cymro.......... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 4 13:57:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58543 for opro ; Wed, 04 Mar 98 13:57:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889005701:05:00958:79; Wed, 04 Mar 98 10:01:41 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601721; 4 Mar 98 10:01 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad0103770; 4 Mar 98 10:00 GMT From: Keith Hopper Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:55:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Postscript printing with Ovation To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980304.095530.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 11:51:40 +1300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 02 Mar, Alan Muscat wrote: [omitted] > > the film (like 450mm film and 330 mm max width for a file. All I have had > > to do was ask which way they wanted the postscript > > > What do you mean by this last point. Also is there no more to > do than install the level 2 pdf into the printer manager > to obtain level 2 or is there anything more to do different to > level 1. What does level 2 offer over level 1? There are still many film-setters which only respond to Postscript 1. There are also Postscript filmsetters which prefer the 'verbose' prologue. This is frequently just a matter of age and not of manufacturer of the film-setter (There are, for example three different 'ages' of Variotyper film-setters in Hamilton here -- all have their own preferences!). kh To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 4 13:57:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58545 for opro ; Wed, 04 Mar 98 13:57:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889005759:15:16982:79; Wed, 04 Mar 98 10:02:39 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0602391; 4 Mar 98 10:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae0103770; 4 Mar 98 10:01 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:55:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Lists and footnotes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980304.095510.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:28:48 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 02 Mar, Michael Ben-Gershon wrote: > Just a wild thought, but if you could implement frames which could expand, > with their top growing upwards, and repelling text in other frames, > you would be able to implement footnotes by dumping the text into those > frames, and setting their size appropriately. I suppose they could be > some special case of footers, which are linked to the main frame on > the page anyway. The tricky part would be what happens when a footnote anchor flows onto the next page. You'd need some way of detecting this happening so you could make the footnote text flow onto the next page with it. Trouble is, that would cause reformatting of the text in the main frames when the footnote frames expand and shrink. Which might cause the anchor to flow *back* onto the original page again, and before you know it, you have an infinite loop ;-( > Of course, such a scheme is probably far from trivial :-) > Maybe even more difficult than implementing right to left text :-) Could be worse, you might want to write boustrophedon! -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 4 13:57:23 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58547 for opro ; Wed, 04 Mar 98 13:57:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889005767:12:11274:79; Wed, 04 Mar 98 10:02:47 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0602476; 4 Mar 98 10:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag0103770; 4 Mar 98 10:01 GMT From: Alf Chamings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:53:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Paragraphs and styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980304.095351.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:12:05 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Has anyone got a sensible way of dealing with this problem? Styles normally apply to paragraphs. If different styles apply to consecutive paragraphThis is not a problem so long as they are separated by 2 Returns. But (professionals please comment) I have a recollection that 2 returns is a typewriter hangover and paragraph spacing should be set according to what spacing looks best - usually less than 2 returns. If I do this by setting a positive 'space after' I can get the spacing right but OPro thinks it is a single paragraph (only 1 Return) and gives me problems if I want different styles to apply. Is there a good solution to this or do I just revert to 2 Returns? Thanks Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 4 13:57:37 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58549 for opro ; Wed, 04 Mar 98 13:57:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889005773:15:17023:81; Wed, 04 Mar 98 10:02:53 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0602449; 4 Mar 98 10:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah0103770; 4 Mar 98 10:02 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 09:54:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980304.095411.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 98 21:55:51 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Alan Muscat >On printing the poster as a tile, 4 A4 pages were used as >expected. What I didn't expect was the 'background' colour >to fill all 4 pages right up to the edge except for the normal >small margin of an inkjet printer, rather than just just the I think this is a bug in the tile imposition format. Although you could argue that if you want a blue page background, you want the whole of the paper blue and not just the bit that lies under the page in OPro. From: Ketil Kristiansen >- ctrl-X doesn't work for objects: I have to go to the edit menu >or use the button-bar to cut anything but text. Ctrl-X does work. I would suspect something else grabbing the key press. >- In the "Modify text" dialogue, "Track" never changes to "Kern", >and the only way I've found to apply kerning (other than by ^' / ^;) >is to select two letters and adjust the tracking. This is by design. I seem to recall that allowing kerning from the text window is ambiguous. (this decision may well have been made after the manual was printed). >- When using ^; and ^' to adjust kerning, keyboard repeat doesn't >work for ^; Limitation of RISC OS. This is a common observation, you could define other repeating keys to do the job. From: Fred Bambrough >I saved the file as DDL as recommended. On reloading I find that the >frames are shifted to the right sufficiently to overlap the print margin. >For the time being I've resaved the file as OP and this works fine but I >would like to use DDL to protect from inadvertently overwriting. Is this a >bug? DDL files don't save stuff like print positions or formats. So if we're talking about movement relative to print margins, that is probably the explanation. Otherwise I'd like to see an example. From: Elliot Grosvenor >Your'e right! White isnt treated properly. It seems to be being treated as >transparent and isnt knocked out of the background. Even if its made into a White is treated no differently to anything else. From: Paul Sprangers >I actually can't think of an example that doesn't show the need of >knocking out graphics, but perhaps my fantasy is limited. >At least I would like to have the choice, whether or not knocking out >graphics. The way it works now, makes OPro useless for my daily work! OK, over the weekend I added the facility to have graphics knockout on spot plates. I think we'll now move to putting 2.49 up on the web site - may take some time to get there of course. From: Michael Ben-Gershon >Just a wild thought, but if you could implement frames which could expand, >with their top growing upwards, and repelling text in other frames, >you would be able to implement footnotes by dumping the text into those >frames, and setting their size appropriately. I suppose they could be >some special case of footers, which are linked to the main frame on >the page anyway. It's really as broad as long, just different ways of getting the same result. The real trouble with footnotes, is having to make them work on pages which don't have a constant flow width. Presumeably like with vertical justification one could just make them not work if the frame is not square or overlapped. Right-left is a much easier problem... If someone could decide how it should actually work. From: Nick Kaijaks >it is set to overprint in the Edit Colours dialogue. Better still would be >overprinting on an object level (I seem to recall this was a feature >abandoned?) Hmm. Good point. What I might do in the light of your comment is add a button to the image processing window to control if the graphic overprints or not. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 13:50:37 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58748 for opro ; Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:50:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889185590:15:00560:83; Fri, 06 Mar 98 11:59:50 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0611174; 6 Mar 98 11:59 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1011932; 6 Mar 98 11:59 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:55:44 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: OEFPro v1.30 and Font Directory Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980306.115544.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:40:13 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 04 Mar, Ian Lowry wrote: > For those of you using FD Pro, I've spent the morning trying to break > Rupert Thompson's latest applet. It works well with FontDir 2 as well. Clicking on an OP file automagically loads the fonts without having to press Alt as before. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 13:50:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58750 for opro ; Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:50:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889185654:12:25687:84; Fri, 06 Mar 98 12:00:54 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0611587; 6 Mar 98 12:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1011932; 6 Mar 98 11:59 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:56:06 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980306.115606.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 23:46:37 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 04 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > OK, over the weekend I added the facility to have graphics > knockout on spot plates. I think we'll now move to putting 2.49 > up on the web site - may take some time to get there of course. David, when you provide an upgrade, would it be possible to say which files have been altered from the previous version please. If things like Menu and Macros etc haven't been changed, then it would be nice to know that our old ones (possibly altered/customised) can be used without losing new functions. Cheers, Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 13:50:45 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58752 for opro ; Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:50:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889185657:15:00833:81; Fri, 06 Mar 98 12:00:57 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611589; 6 Mar 98 12:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag1011932; 6 Mar 98 12:00 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:56:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980306.115652.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 03:09:39 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c News ---- There has been some discussion about overprinting/knocking out graphics in separations. I'm indebted to Paul Reuvers of XAT for pointing out that all Artworks colours contain an overprint flag. I've now modified the AW applet to take this flag into account. In addition this new version of the applet allocates more stack memory and so can render complex graphics without crashing (Stephen Browns point from last week). !OArtWrks 1.03 is available from the 2.48 upgrade page on the www.beebug.com site. Also new on this page, is TransDDF 1.09, featuring yet another minor tweek for long style names... David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 13:50:49 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58754 for opro ; Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:50:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889186237:15:02869:80; Fri, 06 Mar 98 12:10:37 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0614939; 6 Mar 98 12:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1017346; 6 Mar 98 12:09 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:55:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980306.115501.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:53:46 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, David Pilling wrote: > > From: Fred Bambrough > > >I saved the file as DDL as recommended. On reloading I find that the > >frames are shifted to the right sufficiently to overlap the print margin. > >For the time being I've resaved the file as OP and this works fine but I > >would like to use DDL to protect from inadvertently overwriting. Is this a > >bug? > > DDL files don't save stuff like print positions or formats. So if we're > talking about movement relative to print margins, that is probably the > explanation. Otherwise I'd like to see an example. On a slightly related point, DDL appears not to save grid settings. Is this as it should be? OPro (and I) got very confused when trying to save a grid-locked DDL to get around a redraw bug, but with a non-default grid spacing/origin. TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 13:50:53 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58756 for opro ; Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:50:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889186272:12:00159:81; Fri, 06 Mar 98 12:11:12 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0615091; 6 Mar 98 12:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1017346; 6 Mar 98 12:10 GMT From: Chris Johnson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:55:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980306.115523.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:38:51 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c A week or so ago there were comments about the need for a single site with up to date applets, which was accessible at all times. I offered to put this up on a machine here at work, and the powers that be (wrt Ovation) seem quite comfortable with this. The site will be set up as a stand alone site just for these applets, and any other OVPro material thought to be of use. Firstly I need anyone who has written one or more applets and would like them included on this site to contact me *privately* by e-mail with details, and if necessary to e.g. e-mail the latest versions. Once the site is up and running, those with applets included will be given ftp access so that they can keep their own contributions up to date without intervention by me. I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 6 13:50:57 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58758 for opro ; Fri, 06 Mar 98 13:50:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889186273:12:00177:80; Fri, 06 Mar 98 12:11:13 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0615091; 6 Mar 98 12:10 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1017346; 6 Mar 98 12:10 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:56:29 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various The use inks issue again. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980306.115629.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:57:59 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980219.105811.59@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > From: Alan Muscat > > 'Inks' are currently only used for converting CMYK colours to RGB. There's > an obvious comparison with Photodesk, and the OPro implementation is not quite > as good. In PD the inks can also be used for RGB to CMYK conversion, but this > is not implemented at all in OPro. > > Now a difficult question is what should happen if you print something > defined using CMYK colours to the standard RGB printer system? > We could use the ink model to convert to RGB, or just do a naive conversion. > I think my decision was to use the naive way of converting to RGB, on the > grounds that the printer drivers will then use the same rules to convert > back to CMYK. So your CMYK values have some validity. > > A quick check on a printer reveals that twiddling the use inks button changes > the results on paper. So it looks like I have some work to do. > However it's not a big problem because if you switch off 'use inks' you will > always get the correct result for printing. > > > > David Pilling Re the very last paragraph above. Approx two weeks ago I sent a file to Micro Laser Designs to have a poster printed from their Canon laser printer. Images were four colourcmyk and I had specified a couple of solid colours with cmyk values(although bothcolours actually had 0% k in them). I get back 10 great posters at A3, although the deep blue/purple came out bright blue(I had put this down to the laser printer); but as it looked good I stuck with it. So then I made a couple of textual changes to the file, making no colour changes and sent the file for printing with MLD on the same laser printer. 25 at A3, 26 at A4 and 500 at A5. When they came back the blue/purple large area background was solid black! Yikes! Between the first printing and the second, MLD had upgraded to 2.48 and the 1.02 colour supplement. They had 'use inks' selected when printing. Now since the file is being converted to Postscript before going through the printer having 'use inks' switched on presumably should not have had any effect on printing. It seems that it does, with rather disasterous effects. This is a major issue. Making sure that 'use inks' is switched off is too dodgy. Could we have an upgrade as soon as possible please. -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 9 18:26:09 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58889 for opro ; Mon, 09 Mar 98 18:26:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889437364:05:29247:84; Mon, 09 Mar 98 09:56:04 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0610694; 9 Mar 98 9:55 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1000614; 9 Mar 98 9:55 GMT From: George Foot Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:49:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980309.094923.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:32:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 06 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote: > > I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. > > Chris Thanks. I support your efforts and look forward to your list. -- George Foot georgefoot@oxted.demon.co.uk Web Page. http://www.oxted.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 9 18:26:16 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58891 for opro ; Mon, 09 Mar 98 18:26:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889437423:12:22507:81; Mon, 09 Mar 98 09:57:03 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611036; 9 Mar 98 9:56 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1000614; 9 Mar 98 9:56 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:50:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: View separations button To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980309.095006.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 22:42:31 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Here's a macro or button definition that allows you to toggle through all the entries on the separations menu, just keep clicking or pushing. {int i;string s;int lt=(csspotplates+csprocessplates+1);csview_menu(1); for(i=1;i=lt) i=0;break;} if(i>=lt) i=1; csviewname_entry(i,-1);} David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 9 18:26:21 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58893 for opro ; Mon, 09 Mar 98 18:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889437451:05:29899:81; Mon, 09 Mar 98 09:57:31 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611191; 9 Mar 98 9:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai1000614; 9 Mar 98 9:57 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:50:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Any new imposition formats? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980309.095026.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 14:24:50 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi folks, Has anyone yet made up any new imposition formats with the !Imposit applet? I haven't yet had time enough/been brave enough to try to set up formats for 4-up/work-and-turn etc. If anyone has had a go, or even had some success(!) I'd be interested to hear about it. Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ for internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 9 18:26:28 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58895 for opro ; Mon, 09 Mar 98 18:26:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889437496:05:00240:82; Mon, 09 Mar 98 09:58:16 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0611431; 9 Mar 98 9:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1000614; 9 Mar 98 9:57 GMT From: David Scott Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:50:50 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Colour matching To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980309.095050.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 98 09:40:36 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Here are the colour matching files which I mentioned in my email. The files are standard Ovation pro files (2.48) compressed with !Squash to reduce their size. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ David Scott - email: djscott@argonet.co.uk [I snipped the files, if you want to make stuff available to the group stick them on a web site somewhere and post an URL] To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 9 18:26:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58898 for opro ; Mon, 09 Mar 98 18:26:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889439128:12:06296:82; Mon, 09 Mar 98 10:25:28 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0621170; 9 Mar 98 10:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1006467; 9 Mar 98 10:24 GMT From: Tom Rank's Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:51:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: OEFPro v1.30 and Font Directory - and other font matters To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980309.095111.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 22:59:36 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 04 Mar, Ian Lowry wrote: > For those of you using FD Pro, I've spent the morning trying to break > Rupert Thompson's latest applet. > > It seems rock solid on my system (64Mb SARPC). Just to confirm that I too have found it works faultlessly with Font Directory Pro - many thanks, Rupert, for this enhancement. FONTS - a different problem However, I still have another problem with fonts which I have yet to find mentioned in this list. The problem occurs when I use font families - such as those from Look Systems - which contain several variants on top of bold, italic, etc. (After all, access to a good range of faces within a font family is the sort of thing any self-respecting user should have, isnt it?) Let me try to give the simplest example: Im using Bembo Regular and click the Italic button from the info bar to italicise a word. The word appears in Bembo Extra Bold Italic rather than the regular italic that I desire. Things can be even worse if I'm using Plantin, which has an expert set that I sometimes use for its attractive old-style numbers. What can happen then is that setting the effect to italic selects Plantin.expert.italic. Because this face has only a very limited number of characters, most of the text disappears, leaving only a few symbols! Not what I want, and its a fiddle each time to get it right. There was a message in the upgrade version Read Me about font names. Is this of any relevance? It was too technical for me! -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.48, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 9 18:26:52 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA58900 for opro ; Mon, 09 Mar 98 18:26:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889439137:12:06300:81; Mon, 09 Mar 98 10:25:37 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0621171; 9 Mar 98 10:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1006467; 9 Mar 98 10:24 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 09:49:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980309.094944.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 98 14:54:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Alan Muscat >> A quick check on a printer reveals that twiddling the use inks button changes >> the results on paper. So it looks like I have some work to do. >> However it's not a big problem because if you switch off 'use inks' you will >> always get the correct result for printing. > >They had 'use inks' selected when printing. Now since the file is being >converted to Postscript before going through the printer having 'use inks' >switched on presumably should not have had any effect on printing. It >seems that it does, with rather disasterous effects. To summarise. The ColourSupplement upgrade defaults to 'use inks' being on. The original OPro release defaulted to off. Quite a few people have noticed the different screen colours and slower rendering of CMYK sprites as a result of this. In addition, there's a bug, if 'use inks' is on, rendering to printers is affected, which it should not be. I have now fixed this bug. >This is a major issue. Making sure that 'use inks' is switched off >is too dodgy. Could we have an upgrade as soon as possible please. Yes. We'll move to putting out 2.49 asap. Fixing the problem required changing the main program, so unfortunately I can't just stick up a new colour supplement. I'm sorry for the trouble all this will have caused you. I've always been aware that problems in the colour printing side could cost people dear. So if you're doing serious colour printing SWITCH USE INKS OFF. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:03:40 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59010 for opro ; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889521362:05:21886:86; Tue, 10 Mar 98 09:16:02 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606719; 10 Mar 98 9:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1027214; 10 Mar 98 9:15 GMT From: David Love Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:10:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980310.091026.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:04:58 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 09 Mar, George Foot wrote: > On Fri 06 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote: > > > > > I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. > > > > Chris > > Thanks. I support your efforts and look forward to your list. > A brilliant idea! Add me to the list. David -- PO Box 21 525, Henderson 1231 Editor of ARMed, the newsletter of Acorn Waitakere City, New Zealand Users Auckland Inc. Proud owner of an Telephone: 64 09 838 9744 Acorn RiscPC running on a 200+ MHz email: zed@ww.co.nz StrongARM processor. British and best. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:03:44 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59012 for opro ; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:03:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889521379:12:04716:81; Tue, 10 Mar 98 09:16:19 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606800; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1027214; 10 Mar 98 9:15 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:10:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: other font matters To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980310.091007.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:07:24 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Tom Rank's wrote: > However, I still have another problem with fonts which I have yet > to find mentioned in this list. > > The problem occurs when I use font families - such as those from Look > Systems - which contain several variants on top of bold, italic, etc. [snip] It was mentioned by me several months ago - the problem coincided with the font menus changing to use cascading menus (ie. font variants appear as submenus, rather than all font variants being listed in one giant menu). I think this was from v2.45 forward. Quite a few others on the list agreed that it needed to be fixed, (I've seen it mentioned in Acorn Publisher as a problem) but I've not heard anything since. Any news, David? Cheers, Nick -- nick kaijaks; proprietor, pinxit design - putting the solution together http://come.to/kaijaks mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:03:49 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59014 for opro ; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889521383:05:22098:82; Tue, 10 Mar 98 09:16:23 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606825; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1027214; 10 Mar 98 9:15 GMT From: Chris Johnson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:09:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Colour matching To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980310.090944.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 10:50:55 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 09 Mar, David Scott wrote: > Here are the colour matching files which I mentioned in my email. The files > are > standard Ovation pro files (2.48) compressed with !Squash to reduce their > size. > -- Added by moderator - > [I snipped the files, if you want to make stuff available to the > group stick them on a web site somewhere and post an URL] If you would like the files and/or link to be included on the site I am setting up to mirror OVPro applets etc then let me know. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:03:54 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59016 for opro ; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:03:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889521384:05:22093:81; Tue, 10 Mar 98 09:16:24 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0606800; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad1027214; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT From: David Broster Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:10:46 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OEFPro v1.30 and Font Directory - and other font matters To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980310.091046.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:50:18 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 09 Mar, Tom Rank's wrote: > However, I still have another problem with fonts which I have yet to find > mentioned in this list. > > The problem occurs when I use font families - such as those from Look > Systems - which contain several variants on top of bold, italic, etc. > (After all, access to a good range of faces within a font family is the > sort of thing any self-respecting user should have, isnt it?) > > Let me try to give the simplest example: > > Im using Bembo Regular and click the Italic button from the info bar > to italicise a word. The word appears in Bembo Extra Bold Italic rather > than the regular italic that I desire. > > Things can be even worse if I'm using Plantin, which has an expert set that I > sometimes use for its attractive old-style numbers. What can happen then is > that setting the effect to italic selects Plantin.expert.italic. Because this > face has only a very limited number of characters, most of the text > disappears, leaving only a few symbols! > > Not what I want, and its a fiddle each time to get it right. Yes, I had this problem, but solved it by using FontDir to rename Plantin Expert Fonts as PlantinEx.italic etc. -- from David Broster ************************************************* * E-mail to mrb@davbros.demon.co.uk * ******************************************************************** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:04:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59018 for opro ; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:04:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889521423:05:22343:82; Tue, 10 Mar 98 09:17:03 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606997; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1027214; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:11:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980310.091127.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 01:29:37 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: David Scott >Here are the colour matching files which I mentioned in my email. The files are >standard Ovation pro files (2.48) compressed with !Squash to reduce their size. >[I snipped the files, if you want to make stuff available to the >group stick them on a web site somewhere and post an URL] email them to me and I'll add them to the Beebug site. From: Tom Rank's >Im using Bembo Regular and click the Italic button from the info bar >to italicise a word. The word appears in Bembo Extra Bold Italic rather >than the regular italic that I desire. Yep a catch we know about and will fix one day. >There was a message in the upgrade version Read Me about font names. Is >this of any relevance? It was too technical for me! No. That is about a Messages1 file. Such a file allows you alias font names. i.e. have them appear on menus with different names to those they have on disc. New Applet (available from www.beebug.com) ========== Applet !Fluff 1.00 (requires Ovation Pro 2.44) ------------------------------------------------- This applet corrects common typographical errors. It was inspired by an extension script for Pagemaker written by Ulrik H.Gade. When you click on the 'Fluff' entry on the applet menu, a number of 'errors' will be automatically corrected in the story which currently has the caret in. Beware! the program adopts a hard line position, no double spaces, no double paragraph breaks etc. However you can easily change the list of rules in the !Fluff.Library.Fluff file. After removing or adding a rule, you must resave the Fluff file, and then quit and rerun OvationPro. The full list of rules is; --double => single space --quadruple => triple period --triple period => ellipsis --delete space before ellipsis --double => single period --delete space before period --double => single comma --delete space before comma --comma + paragraph mark => comma + space --delete space before semicolon --double => single semicolon --delete space before colon --double => single colon --comma + period => period --comma + semicolon => semicolon --comma + colon => colon --period + semicolon => semicolon --period + colon => colon --semicolon + colon => colon --double => single paragraph mark --double => single forced linebreak --space + hyphen + space => en-dash --double hyphen => en-dash --double en-dash => em-dash --en-dash + hyphen => en-dash --em-dash + hyphen => em-dash --em-dash + en-dash => em-dash --double => single em-dash --delete space before tab --delete space after tab --delete space before forced linebreak --delete space after forced linebreak --delete space before paragraph mark --delete space after paragraph mark --delete tab before forced linebreak --delete tab before paragraph mark --forced linebreak+paragraph mark=>paragraph mark --paragraph mark+forced linebreak=>paragraph mark --double => single paragraph mark (again) --double => single forced linebreak (again) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 10 14:04:09 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59020 for opro ; Tue, 10 Mar 98 14:04:08 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889521447:15:07126:81; Tue, 10 Mar 98 09:17:27 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607120; 10 Mar 98 9:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1027214; 10 Mar 98 9:16 GMT From: David Graddol Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:11:07 +0000 Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd Subject: Postscript printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980310.091107.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:14:53 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Having recently acquired a postscript printer and installed postcript drivers, I find that: (1) The speed of rendering and printing is gratifyingly fast. The speed-up is much more than I was expecting. (2) Justified text loses its justification when printed to postscript. The text acquires what I can only call a 'soft rag'. I got this effect when Tony Tolver ran some film out for me a while back, and we couldn't work out what was happening. So it's interesting to see exactly the same thing happening on a different document on my own printer. Is this a problem with the Acorn postscript printer driver or with Ovation Pro? (3) A more serious problem is that some pieces of text don't seem to be placed properly in the line when the font is switched. The effect occurs regularly in lists of references in a journal I'm setting and the titles are in italics. The italic words seem to start too early in the line so that they overlap slightly with the roman. Again, is this likely to be a driver problem or Ovation Pro? Does anyone else suffer from this? I have tried using a proper postscript font (EFF publisher, Type 1 with the AFM file) but the problem does not go away. Any ideas? David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 11 13:48:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59102 for opro ; Wed, 11 Mar 98 13:48:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889608614:12:25194:81; Wed, 11 Mar 98 09:30:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601671; 11 Mar 98 9:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2014807; 11 Mar 98 9:29 GMT From: Norman Thomas Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:26:28 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980311.092628.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:52:13 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > > On Fri 06 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote, re Applet site: > > > I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. Writing as one of the usually silent majority, yes, a very good idea. I hope that you feel that you have sufficient support to go ahead. -- Norman Norman Thomas .. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 11 13:48:30 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59104 for opro ; Wed, 11 Mar 98 13:48:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889608648:15:12284:83; Wed, 11 Mar 98 09:30:48 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601894; 11 Mar 98 9:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2014807; 11 Mar 98 9:30 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:26:50 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980311.092650.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 98 17:34:49 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: David Graddol >(2) Justified text loses its justification when printed to > postscript. The text acquires what I can only call a 'soft rag'. > I got this effect when Tony Tolver ran some film out for me a > while back, and we couldn't work out what was happening. So it's > interesting to see exactly the same thing happening on a > different document on my own printer. Is this a problem with the > Acorn postscript printer driver or with Ovation Pro? As I said at the time, the big worry is if you combine justification with tracking (or kerning), in that case we know that some printer drivers don't work correctly. >(3) A more serious problem is that some pieces of text don't > seem to be placed properly in the line when the font is > switched. The effect occurs regularly in lists of references in > a journal I'm setting and the titles are in italics. The italic I'd be very interested to see small examples of either problem. From: Roger Mayne (private email) >The problem is this, that for business cards I like to print them 2 >at view so I have created a page size in the printer driver called buscard >to allow for this plus trim marks. This arrangement has always worked with >Pub+ but O/P doesn't like it. In fact it doesn't print at all. So I printed >an O/P file to file to create a Postscript file. I did the same thing with >a Pub+ file and compared the two in StrongEd. These are my observations:- >O/P file: >statusdict /setpageparams known >{statusdict begin 595 314 0 1 setpageparams end} >{buscard} >ifelse >Pub+ file: >statusdict /setpageparams known >{statusdict begin > 596 315 0 1 > 4 -1 roll > statusdict /measure known > {measure 2 copy ge {exch}if pop}if > 4 1 roll > setpageparams > end >}if >When I substitute the four lines of Postscript from the O/P file for the >ten lines of the Pub+ file, the O/P file prints! There is a devious mechanism whereby the Acorn printer driver derives a paper command for the printer from the paper name. This is how {buscard} ended up in the PS code above. If instead you follow Acorns convention and call your paper "A4 (buscard)", then "A4" would end up being parsed out as the paper size (try F12, *show PDriver$P*), and the OPro Library.PSSupport file would send that paper size to the printer as a command. So NB if you feel like giving PS paper sizes odd names. There is an alternative approach which is to just hack the code in the function void pssupport_prcache0() in the Library.PSSupport file, so that it duplicates the Impression output. Just trivial changes inserting some prprint() commands to print the necessary code to the printer. However we initially rejected the Impression route because of other problems. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 11 13:48:35 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59106 for opro ; Wed, 11 Mar 98 13:48:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889608656:12:25633:81; Wed, 11 Mar 98 09:30:56 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0601894; 11 Mar 98 9:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2014807; 11 Mar 98 9:29 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:25:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Postscript printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980311.092537.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:18:42 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Graddol wrote: > > Having recently acquired a postscript printer and installed > postcript drivers, I find that: > (3) A more serious problem is that some pieces of text don't > seem to be placed properly in the line when the font is > switched. The effect occurs regularly in lists of references in > a journal I'm setting and the titles are in italics. The italic > words seem to start too early in the line so that they overlap > slightly with the roman. Again, is this likely to be a driver > problem or Ovation Pro? Does anyone else suffer from this? > > I have tried using a proper postscript font (EFF publisher, Type 1 with > the AFM file) but the problem does not go away. I too have had this problem on (I think) every job I've run to film. It seems to occur whether or not auto-kerning is set, and whether using a Type 1 font (eg. EFF LondonA) or a standard Type 3 conversion of an Acorn font from the Acorn PS driver. It looks OK on-screen, but manifests itself on film, or in a GhostScript preview of a PS file. I'd always assumed it was a problem with the font manager or PS printer driver, but a solution would be *most* welcome from whatever source... TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ for internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 12 14:02:04 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59203 for opro ; Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:02:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889696149:12:10942:84; Thu, 12 Mar 98 09:49:09 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0627625; 12 Mar 98 9:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1025272; 12 Mar 98 9:47 GMT From: "Peter Daniel" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:37:01 +0000 Organization: University of Salford Subject: SIGNON ovationp-l To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980312.093701.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:20:55 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 12 14:02:08 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59205 for opro ; Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:02:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889696149:12:10957:99; Thu, 12 Mar 98 09:49:09 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0627619; 12 Mar 98 9:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae1025272; 12 Mar 98 9:47 GMT From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:37:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: button bar To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980312.093724.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:52:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c re Button bar Is there a way of altering the position of buttons on the bar? It seems that those set by Applets all appear at the end, but it would be convenient to group them with the standard ones with similar functions. Don Lewis To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 12 14:02:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59207 for opro ; Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:02:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889696182:05:02143:82; Thu, 12 Mar 98 09:49:42 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0627920; 12 Mar 98 9:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1025272; 12 Mar 98 9:48 GMT From: John Brown Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:37:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980312.093747.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:19:43 +1300 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 11 Mar, Norman Thomas wrote: > > > > On Fri 06 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote, re Applet site: > > > > > I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. > > Writing as one of the usually silent majority, yes, a very good idea. I hope > that you feel that you have sufficient support to go ahead. Add me too please. Cheers John Brown Whose opinions are his own: the club cannot be held responsible. -- J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~snookums/welcome.html Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 12 14:02:17 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59209 for opro ; Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:02:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889696183:05:02151:82; Thu, 12 Mar 98 09:49:43 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0627920; 12 Mar 98 9:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai1025272; 12 Mar 98 9:49 GMT From: Gavin Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:38:31 +0000 Organization: Quercus Computer Systems Subject: Re: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980312.093831.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:42:49 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980311.092628.89@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > On Fri 06 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote, re Applet site: > > > > > I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. > > Writing as one of the usually silent majority, yes, a very good idea. I hope > that you feel that you have sufficient support to go ahead. As another fairly silent "lurker and absorber" - Yes please this will be a very usefull service. Thanks to all the Applet Authors, and of course to David Pilling, for an excellent application. -- Gavin Dewar Quercus Computer Systems | Design & Supply of Long Preston, Nr Skipton | Industrial Control Systems North Yorkshire. | from the Yorkshire Dales. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 12 14:02:22 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59211 for opro ; Thu, 12 Mar 98 14:02:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889696260:15:24164:82; Thu, 12 Mar 98 09:51:00 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0628261; 12 Mar 98 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1025272; 12 Mar 98 9:49 GMT From: Xavier deMonneron Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:38:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mirror applet site (fwd) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980312.093809.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 13:36:13 +0100 (MET) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c So do I. Thanks in advance for all. -- Xavier de Monneron, alias AsteRISC, member of ARMada and CPV Acorn RiscPC 600 24 MO/2 GO, SCSI2, 17", CDx4, 486sx33, RiscOS 3.5 Xavier.deMonneron@dassault-elec.fr -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:26:28 +0000 From: Norman Thomas Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: Mirror applet site > > On Fri 06 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote, re Applet site: > > > I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. Writing as one of the usually silent majority, yes, a very good idea. I hope that you feel that you have sufficient support to go ahead. -- Norman Norman Thomas .. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:01:39 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59343 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:01:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780363:05:05998:82; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:12:43 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0604772; 13 Mar 98 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:12 GMT From: allan harris Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:09:33 +0000 Organization: Subject: Template fields To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090933.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:32:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c tried to load Ov Pro 2.48 tonight and for first time received the error message 'Template fields not found.' What has gone wrong and how do I fix it please? -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO3 3PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:01:48 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59345 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:01:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780373:12:08066:82; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:12:53 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0604772; 13 Mar 98 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:11 GMT From: allan harris Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:09:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Mirror applet size To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090911.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:30:46 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Add me too please. -- Allan Harris, GP, Haxby, York YO3 3PH tel 01904-768666 work 01904-760125, fax 750168 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:01:56 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59349 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:01:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780398:12:08195:82; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:13:18 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605082; 13 Mar 98 9:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:12 GMT From: Andy's Progs Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:08:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Mirror applet site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090827.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 (17:09:12 +0000) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 12 Mar 98 (09:37:47 +0000), johnb@ihug.co.nz wrote: >> >>> I will only go ahead with this if there is sufficient interest. >> Writing as one of the usually silent majority, yes, a very good idea. >I hope that you feel that you have sufficient support to go ahead. > >Add me too please. > And me!!! -- ------------------------------------------- Andy Marks - andy.m@argonet.co.uk Creswell, Derbyshire Home of the World-Famous(?) Creswell Crags I know, I've seen them! ------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:02:01 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59352 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:02:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780423:05:06634:83; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:13:43 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0605256; 13 Mar 98 9:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:13 GMT From: "David Briggs - Technician" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:08:04 +0000 Organization: University of Portsmouth Subject: Dissapearing frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090804.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:03:03 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Can anyone help with a problem I am having with Ovation Pro. If I create a frame, type some text and then select and 'Delete' the text then quite often the frame dissapears as well. If I 'Undo Delete' several times then the frame reappears but I am at a loss as to why this happens and I am hoping that someone out there might know what is wrong and how to fix it This seems to happen more often when on the first page of a document. If I just CUT the text then this does not happen. I am using v2.48, having upgraded from v2.46 via the Beebug web site. -------------------------------------------------------------------- My machine is a 242.8Mhz StrongArm RiscPC with 66Mb ram, 1.3Gb & 2.1Gb IDE HD's plus latest !Boot, WindowManager and toolbox modules. David Briggs David Briggs To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:02:06 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59354 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:02:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780457:12:08684:82; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:14:17 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0605439; 13 Mar 98 9:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:13 GMT From: John Hollier Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:08:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: button bar To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090848.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:53:42 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 12 Mar, Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > re Button bar > Is there a way of altering the position of buttons on the bar? > It seems that those set by Applets all appear at the end, but it > would be convenient to group them with the standard ones with > similar functions. > Don Lewis > > Hi Don Para 2.8 of the Ovation manual says You can change the position of a button on the button bar by pressing control and dragging it to the required position. The button will be placed before the button over which it is dropped. The new positions can be saved. See 16.6 Any good? John Hollier -- John D Hollier Canterbury UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:02:14 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59356 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:02:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780467:05:06934:82; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:14:27 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0605503; 13 Mar 98 9:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:14 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:09:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090954.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 98 20:02:46 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" >Is there a way of altering the position of buttons on the bar? >It seems that those set by Applets all appear at the end, but it >would be convenient to group them with the standard ones with >similar functions. Yes, just drag the buttons into the positions you desire. You do this using Ctrl+Select drag. Having got them into the order you want, pop up the main menu and click on Misc->Macros... Finally click on Save on the macros window. It probably is non-obvious, but the order of buttons on the button bar is the order macros are defined in. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:02:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59358 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:02:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780520:05:07374:83; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:15:20 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0605729; 13 Mar 98 9:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:14 GMT From: Chris Johnson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:07:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: Mirror applet site details To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090742.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:48:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c For all those interested, I have put up a page that will form the basis of a mirror resources site for things connected with Ovation Pro. The url is http://www1.che.hw.ac.uk/~ovpro/ note the tilde ^ Don't get too excited - there is not a lot there at the moment. This "thread" began when there were comments about certain sites not being available at all times. At the moment the site contains a full set of Rupert Thompson's applets, together with Chris Ford's DBase applet, and a CSV massaging application (not an applet). I hope to get more stuff on the site as and when it (or permission) becomes available. The bottom line is that it is up to you, yourselves, how much material ultimately finds its way onto these pages. Besides applets, there are other types of resource that could be shared. For example, templates for various label layouts or other types of document, FAQ's extracted from the mail list archives. There are also plenty of freeware applications for doing things to text which could have relevance, e.g. DDL to HTML. I would be interested to hear comments. Chris -- Chris Johnson mailto: C.A.Johnson@hw.ac.uk Department of Chemistry phone: 0131 449 5111 x 4116 Heriot-Watt University Edinburgh EH14 4AS To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 13 14:02:27 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59360 for opro ; Fri, 13 Mar 98 14:02:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 889780560:12:09519:83; Fri, 13 Mar 98 09:16:00 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606007; 13 Mar 98 9:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id as1010139; 13 Mar 98 9:15 GMT From: "Bernard G. Hill" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:07:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980313.090720.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:39:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c This message was originally sent on 3 March but seems to have got lost on the way. A few problems have shown themselves just lately. I produce a magazine and the =9Ele has been cleared out and reused for many months. When it was saved as a DDL =9Ele, it would not re-load, reporting an unknown object at some line number. Because of this I decided to save the document as a template, and start again. The new =9Ele duly showed one page for each of the two chapters. The =9Erst chapter is only the front cover and the inside front cover, so a second page was added, and this was done without any trouble. When trying to add another page to the second chapter the fun started. The page addition dialogue does not recognise the decimal point notation and always added a page after page 2 of chapter one. Trying to add a page after page 3 did not work, pages were still added after page 2 as part of chapter one. Pages could not be added in front of page 3, they also became part of chapter one. In desperation I added a page after the non-existant page 4 and this duly added page 4, correctly as part of chapter two. Pages could be added to this second chapter after that without any trouble. I have had problems adding pages in the old document but put this down to a defect in the old =9Ele. Has anyone else had similar dif=9Eculties? Could we have a simple, add page or pages before or after the current page? I think that would cover all circumstances, would it not? There has already been a comment that a page number (ignoring chapter divisions) for the total document would be useful, perhaps this is another way to tackle this problem. There has been some comment about graphics on coloured backgrounds. I had some problems with this. A black on white draw =9Ele placed on a red =9Elled frame, needed for other drop-out text, was required to print as a drop-out. Experimentation found that the display and separation matched when the picture was set to duotone, with lower colour white and upper red. Whether spot was selected or not, did not affect the output. These settings seem to be the opposite of what would be expected, but they work. Just recently I have added a second hard disk and wanted to move Ovation Pro, version 2.48, to the new drive. The program was transferred it would not run but asked for the =9Ele to be dragged to the install program. When this was attempted the original install program was not recognised. Is this due to the fact that the version is now 2.48? How do I transfer a working copy of the program to the new disc as I don=91t fancy doing a new install and update, especially as everything is working OK? Bernard=20 --=20 Bernard G. Hill Tel/Fax: 01633 880197 Zion, Church Road Undy, Newport e-mail bernard.hill@virgin.net Monmouthshire NP6 3EN=20 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:12:52 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59468 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:12:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890039953:15:18970:82; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:19:13 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0606396; 16 Mar 98 9:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:18 GMT From: Rene Turner Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:08:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Template fields To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.090814.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:03:51 +1300 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 13 Mar, allan harris wrote: > tried to load Ov Pro 2.48 tonight and for first time > received the error message 'Template fields not found.' >=20 > What has gone wrong and how do I fix it please? >=20 Oh... I got that problem too after moving it to a new Hard disc would welcome a solution to this =20 --=20 May G-d Bless you and Keep you... Ren=E9 Turner ... Mailto:renet@ihug.co.nz=20 H.I.S. NZ http://www.head-injury.org.nz =20 If G-d had not given us sticky tape, it would have been necessary to inve= nt it. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:13:05 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59470 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:13:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040027:12:00747:82; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:20:27 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0606769; 16 Mar 98 9:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:19 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:08:34 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Template fields To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.090834.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:31:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 13 Mar, allan harris wrote: > tried to load Ov Pro 2.48 tonight and for first time > received the error message 'Template fields not found.' > What has gone wrong and how do I fix it please? Look inside the !OvnResDir of the !OvnPro update application and copy across the UK.Templates file. For some reason it isn't being transferred by the installer - even with Force set. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:13:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59473 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:13:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040057:12:00997:83; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:20:57 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0607100; 16 Mar 98 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:20 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:09:17 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Active dates and justification To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.090917.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:34:19 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In the first edition of Ovation Pro I found a problem with active dates and justification which is still there. I have my stationery set up with a date frame on the master page. The frame is right justified with active date inserted. The problem is that when the date string changes length, so does the position of the date and it no longer lines up with the right hand edge of the frame. Is it fixable? Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:13:39 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59480 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:13:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040120:15:19403:84; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:22:00 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0607428; 16 Mar 98 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:21 GMT From: Tom Rank Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:10:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Font matters To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.091023.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:18:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 10 Mar, David Broster wrote: > On Mon 09 Mar, Tom Rank's wrote: > > Yes, I had this problem, but solved it by using FontDir to rename Plantin > Expert Fonts as PlantinEx.italic etc. Thanks for the suggestion; I can see that it would work. However, its tackling the problem from the wrong end, isnt it? I dont really want to muck about with perfectly reasonable font names when its the program that is the cause of the trouble. Id also need to edit all those documents using those fonts with their original names, including chunks of 3 Shakespeare plays with line numbers in Plantin Expert....! Finally, Im sorry that careless set up of my mailbox gave you the wrong name - see below! Tom Rank (though I was once called "Tom Hanks" by a visiting inspector of schools!) -- Tom Rank Ovation Pro 2.48, Risc PC with SA & Risc OS 3.7 OPro@tsrank.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:13:42 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59482 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:13:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040166:05:21952:84; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:22:46 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607821; 16 Mar 98 9:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:22 GMT From: "S. Sarkar Dancing Queen" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:10:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Printing problems and ArtWorks files To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.091001.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:41:42 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I'd just like to report that I've had problems printing documents containing ArtWorks files, since upgrading to OvnPro 2.48 on my new StrongARM RiscPC. What normally happens is that my Canon BubbleJet feeds a sheet of paper and then the computer crashes. It can't be alleviated by the System Monitor, which also seems to die. I think I can remember others having problems with this, and remembering these, I was able to alleviate the problem by converting all grapics to drawfiles. Will this problem be sorted in the next release? Other than that, I haven't got any complaints. Having used Ovation Pro since the initial releases I am still enjoying using it, and look forward to see what more will come of it in the future. -- ______ _ __ " / ____/( )___/ / " > Sudipta Sarkar \__ \/ / __ / Promised the world, delivered an arse. ____/ / / /_/ / @ University of St Andrews /_____/_/\__,_/ ss30@st-andrews.ac.uk sudipta@wiredsoc.ml.org To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:13:54 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59484 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:13:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040191:12:01829:82; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:23:11 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0607852; 16 Mar 98 9:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:22 GMT From: Mr R Coleman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:10:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.091044.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Mar 98 23:39:45 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have recently updated my printer status program which sits on the icon bar and changes it's icon to reflect the state of the printer on the parallel port, it also checks the state of the printer when you print from another application or drag a file to the !Printer icon. It does this by watching for a couple of printer messages. The program name has changed to reflect the fact that it no longer needs to be configured to the particular printer as it checks the state of the printer in a completely different way. The filename is !PrnCheck and it is available for downloading from my web site http://www.argonet.co.uk/homepages/coleman I would be grateful for any *constructive* comments. Thanks Richard Coleman -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | coleman@argonet.co.uk (Home) R.I.Coleman@brs0602.wins.icl.co.uk (Work) http://www.argonet.co.uk/homepages/coleman To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:14:02 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59486 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:14:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040237:05:22358:82; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:23:57 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0608220; 16 Mar 98 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:23 GMT From: David Graddol Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:08:57 +0000 Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.090857.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:40:14 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980311.092650.49@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > > From: David Graddol > > >(2) Justified text loses its justification when printed to > > postscript. The text acquires what I can only call a 'soft rag'. > > I got this effect when Tony Tolver ran some film out for me a > > while back, and we couldn't work out what was happening. So it's > > interesting to see exactly the same thing happening on a > > different document on my own printer. Is this a problem with the > > Acorn postscript printer driver or with Ovation Pro? > > As I said at the time, the big worry is if you combine justification > with tracking (or kerning), in that case we know that some printer > drivers don't work correctly. > > > >(3) A more serious problem is that some pieces of text don't > > seem to be placed properly in the line when the font is > > switched. The effect occurs regularly in lists of references in > > a journal I'm setting and the titles are in italics. The italic > > > I'd be very interested to see small examples of either problem. > Ah, I recall you saying something about tracking (which I had not interefered with) but I hadn't realised that auto-kerning also caused the problem. Having taken auto-kerning off, both problems go away - although the typography is not quite so nice and the slight tightening of the text that auto kerning gives, means that the text reflows quite differently (so, a tip for new projects only!) You say *some* printer drivers don't work correctly. Do you know one which does work correctly? I'm using !Printers 1.54 and I recall there being some discussion about problems with Level 2 printer drivers. But if you couldpoint me in the direction of a printer driver which worked with auto-kerning I'd be grateful. And (sorry) having fixed the first problem to some extent, I now have another. How do you print bitmap graphics from an Ovation document to a postscript driver? I always get errors. I recall a tip which involved placing it in a draw file, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 16 19:14:12 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59488 for opro ; Mon, 16 Mar 98 19:14:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890040241:05:22428:82; Mon, 16 Mar 98 09:24:01 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0608271; 16 Mar 98 9:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id as1020326; 16 Mar 98 9:23 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:09:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980316.090938.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Mar 98 22:30:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: allan harris >tried to load Ov Pro 2.48 tonight and for first time >received the error message 'Template fields not found.' >What has gone wrong and how do I fix it please? It's because OPro 2.48 is looking at OPro 2.46 resources. You fix it by opening 2.48 and double clicking on the !OvnResDir icon and then rerunning. From: "David Briggs - Technician" >Can anyone help with a problem I am having with Ovation Pro. If I >create a frame, type some text and then select and 'Delete' the text >then quite often the frame dissapears as well. If I 'Undo Delete' >several times then the frame reappears but I am at a loss as to why >this happens and I am hoping that someone out there might know what >is wrong and how to fix it This seems to happen more often when on >the first page of a document. If I just CUT the text then this does >not happen. I am using v2.48, having upgraded from v2.46 via the >Beebug web site. I'm not aware that this is a bug. Might be that you sometimes click twice. Might be an applet interaction. From: "Bernard G. Hill" >When it was saved as a DDL =9Ele, it would not re-load, reporting an unknown >object at some line number. That would have been an interesting file to see. >problems inserting pages due to numbering problems. You are quite right. OPro 2.49 now has a proper syntax for page numbers, and this has been extended to the insert/delete page windows. There always has been the 'A' syntax where A1 is the absolute first page in the document and A10, the tenth, independent of chapters or whatever. But those windows never used it. >Just recently I have added a second hard disk and wanted to move Ovation Pro, >version 2.48, to the new drive. You have to do it the hard way. Install 2.46, then upgrade it. You can always copy the odd files you have changed, macros, choices etc. from one 2.48 to the other. News ==== What about 2.49? I've just put up an upgrade kit on the web pages. Whilst 2.48 was an attempt at keeping things stable and fixing bugs. 2.49 is a bit more speculative. So those of a sensitive disposition should probably go and hide behind the sofa. I suspect I may have to have another go at 2.49 in a few days time after some bugs have come to light. I will let you know when things are safe. That URL; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html You should be OK to copy things like Macros files over from your copy of 2.48 after doing the upgrade. But try it first. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:04 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59574 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130179:15:06831:81; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:22:59 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607134; 17 Mar 98 10:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:21 GMT From: Paul Sprangers Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:34:23 +0000 Organization: Subject: Pantone Colour Chart To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093423.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:26:09 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Can someone tell me if where I can obtain the Pantone Colour Chart for OvationPro? (I know it was on a RiscUser disk, but I don't have access to that). Thanks in advance, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:08 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59576 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130212:12:05294:94; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:23:32 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0607414; 17 Mar 98 10:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:22 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:32:33 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Lines move To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093233.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:13:50 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Tonight I created a logo. There were 3 lines of text at about 24 point. I drew 3 lines using the line drawing tool in Opro which sat on the top of the X height of the 3 lines of text. When I printed this, the lines had migrated north by about 3 mil, to sit on top of the Cap line. Any suggestions? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:14 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59578 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130257:12:05523:81; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:24:17 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607643; 17 Mar 98 10:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:23 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:33:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: mail merge idea To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093320.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:12:04 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Greetings, I've just been looking through the documentation on OP 2.49 upgrade and noticed the additions to the mail merge facility. The new command structure provides lots of string manipulation functions. BUT... What about graphics? Would it be possible to have a mail merge field which referenced a file name in a CSV file and caused a graphic to be rendered in that frame? I'd assume something to identify it (eg \\) and that one would be limited to a default scale etc. For example: John, Birthday, \\$.sprites.cake, Happy days! Sue, Engagement, \\$.sprites.ring, Congratulations! David, Programmer of the Year, \\$.sprites.crown, Good on 'ya mate! Going balistic: {if(field(1)>"50") macv="\\$.sprites.smile" else macv="\\$.sprites.frown"} Getting time for a green beer a something, cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59580 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130273:15:07076:82; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:24:33 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607852; 17 Mar 98 10:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ak2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:24 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:33:40 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Search/Replace styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093340.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:52:33 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Is there any way to search and replace styles or effects? I wanted to search for a lot of characters in formulae that had been dropped in as text and replace them as lower case italic. The lower case bit was Ok, but I couldn't find a way of replacing them with italic (like I can in Publisher). So, I had to save out the DDL file, load it into Zap and S/R it there with Italic tags fore and aft - which did work, but was a bit hairy. Come to think of it, I could have dropped it into Publisher, changed it there and dropped it back into OP as a DDF. Still nicer to be able to do it in OP itself though :-( Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:25 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59582 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130349:12:06247:84; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:25:49 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0608237; 17 Mar 98 10:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:25 GMT From: Roger King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:32:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Active dates and justification To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093210.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:30:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 16 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > In the first edition of Ovation Pro I found a problem with active > dates and justification which is still there. > I have my stationery set up with a date frame on the master page. > The frame is right justified with active date inserted. > The problem is that when the date string changes length, so does > the position of the date and it no longer lines up with the right > hand edge of the frame. I too find the same problem with active dates in a right-justified frame with version 2.48. The command inserts today's date with no problems at all with right justification set in a frame. As active dates cannot be "fixed" with Ovation Pro 2.48, then the use of to insert the date would seem to offer a much better choice. Roger -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:30 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59584 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130369:05:03819:81; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:26:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0608380; 17 Mar 98 10:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:25 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:34:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: OP 2.49, EndNotes 2.82 and the global clipboard To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093401.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 12:28:21 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c There is a small incompatibility between version 2.82 of my EndNotes applet and the global clipboard under OP 2.49. When you cut blocks of text containing endnotes, the endnote body text is packaged up inside ENOTE-- and --ENOTE tags and inserted at the point where the note anchor goes. When you paste text from the clipboard, blocks delimited by those tags are turned into endnotes again. However, this unpacking doesn't currently happen when pasting text from an external application via the global clipboard. In practice this is unlikely to be a problem. It will only happen if (i) you cut a block containing endnotes, paste it into, say, Zap, cut it from Zap again and paste it back into OP; or (ii) bizarrely have a random block of text in another program with ENOTE-- and --ENOTE either side of it. I'm looking into a proper fix. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:36 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59586 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130446:12:06633:81; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:27:26 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0608558; 17 Mar 98 10:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id as2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:26 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:34:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 2.49 upgrade To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093451.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:29:56 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 16 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > News > ==== > What about 2.49? I've just put up an upgrade kit on the web pages. > Whilst 2.48 was an attempt at keeping things stable and fixing bugs. > 2.49 is a bit more speculative. So those of a sensitive disposition > should probably go and hide behind the sofa. I suspect I may have to > have another go at 2.49 in a few days time after some bugs have come to > light. > I will let you know when things are safe. > That URL; > http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html > You should be OK to copy things like Macros files over from your copy > of 2.48 after doing the upgrade. But try it first. > David Pilling Well David as I'm one of those up front of the line for fiddling with things... I've upgraded my backup copy to 2.49 this evening, and 2.49 works okay. But and this is the BIG but, It's not a very satisfactory way to upgrade. Having to start from 2.46 every time is a urinating nuisance... I daresay I like many others tweak the configs, move things around on the button bars to make using OvPro more comfortable, add loads to the user dictionaries etc etc... Remembering to transfer all that stuff every time... if you can remember what it was, and where it all hangs out.... is a problem... even for someone like me. And... Just how much can we transfer from the old copy to the Updated version. Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07d To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 17 13:49:42 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59588 for opro ; Tue, 17 Mar 98 13:49:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890130460:15:07599:81; Tue, 17 Mar 98 10:27:40 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0608937; 17 Mar 98 10:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aw2011767; 17 Mar 98 10:27 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:32:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980317.093254.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 01:31:35 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Ray Dawson >In the first edition of Ovation Pro I found a problem with active dates >and justification which is still there. >The problem is that when the date string changes length, so does the >position of the date and it no longer lines up with the right hand edge of >the frame. >Is it fixable? Yes. You want the longer answer? It's not trivial to fix or else I would have done so by now. For the moment other things are more important. From: "S. Sarkar Dancing Queen" >I'd just like to report that I've had problems printing documents >containing ArtWorks files, since upgrading to OvnPro 2.48 on my new >StrongARM RiscPC. What normally happens is that my Canon BubbleJet feeds a >sheet of paper and then the computer crashes. It can't be alleviated by >the System Monitor, which also seems to die. Immediate reaction is to tell you to get the ArtWorks applet version 1.03 from the upgrade page on www.beebug.com. I'd then be interested to hear if it fails to fix your problems. From: David Graddol >Ah, I recall you saying something about tracking (which I had not >interefered with) but I hadn't realised that auto-kerning also >caused the problem. Having taken auto-kerning off, both problems >go away - although the typography is not quite so nice and the slight >tightening of the text that auto kerning gives, means that the text >reflows quite differently (so, a tip for new projects only!) Hmm. The introduction of auto kerning is a surprise. Manual tracking, or manual kerning is done by inserting moves into the strings sent to the font painter between characters. In a justified line the font painter also introduces extra spaces between some letters. Now it seems to me that whilst this always works correctly on screen, with some printer drivers one lot of extra spacing is ignored. Autokern is a surprise because it probably means you can demo the effect using just Acorns own software e.g. Draw, and a fix is thus much more likely. >You say *some* printer drivers don't work correctly. Do you know one >which does work correctly? I'm using !Printers 1.54 and I recall there >being some discussion about problems with Level 2 printer drivers. >But if you couldpoint me in the direction of a printer driver which >worked with auto-kerning I'd be grateful. This is going to be something like Computer Concepts drivers work, and Acorn ones don't. There are 3 main classes, PostScript, Acorm bit map, and CC bit map. If you need PS this information is zero help. It is not impossible that some Acorn drivers do work and some don't. But we'd be talking about long time variations e.g. RISC OS 3.1 'v' 3.5+. The previous discussion on this mail list will be interesting to refer back to. I recall Ray Dawson raised the key points. And we've actually had two discussions about it. I'll dig out the references if anyones interested. This is a bad problem. The only reason I've ignored it, is that I'm betwixt the devil and the deep blue sea. Fixing it from the OPro end would be a major task (for zero return), going to Acorn and asking them to do something might be a lengthy process. >And (sorry) having fixed the first problem to some extent, I now have >>another. How do you print bitmap graphics from an Ovation document to >a postscript driver? I always get errors. I recall a tip which involved >placing it in a draw file, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. There is as far as I know no problem. What sort of errors are you getting? David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 18 14:10:58 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59674 for opro ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:10:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890214510:12:21225:81; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:48:30 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0624981; 18 Mar 98 9:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ai2020139; 18 Mar 98 9:47 GMT From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:41:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Search/Replace styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980318.094100.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:53:12 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 17 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > > Come to think of it, I could have dropped it into Publisher, changed it > there and dropped it back into OP as a DDF. > No doubt I should know about this but can't find it anywhere! How do you perform these moves in and out of Publisher? Don Lewis To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 18 14:11:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59676 for opro ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:11:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890214533:05:23431:88; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:48:53 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0625141; 18 Mar 98 9:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj2020139; 18 Mar 98 9:48 GMT From: Richard Watkinson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:43:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OP 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980318.094322.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 01:34:05 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I messed around for several hours last night trying to make OP 2.49 work. It would only respond if version 2.48 had been loaded first. Otherwise the rather unhelpful message 'Template Fields not found' was presented, a message I am unfamiliar with. Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 18 14:11:12 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59678 for opro ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:11:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890214587:15:10850:84; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:49:47 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0625359; 18 Mar 98 9:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aq2020139; 18 Mar 98 9:49 GMT From: Tim King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:41:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Pantone Colour Chart To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980318.094153.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:31:59 +1200 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 17 Mar, Paul Sprangers wrote: >=20 > Can someone tell me if where I can obtain the Pantone Colour Chart for > OvationPro? I'd edited the Pantone/CMYK and TruMatch/CMYK charts into OP format ages = ago (must've had some job where it made it easier). I've posted a copy to Pau= l, and should probably get one posted on the main or mirror site. Having sai= d that, they're not *particularly* useful, in that when you've got the swat= ch book and pick a colour, it's just as easy to define a new colour and type= in the values. & if it really is a Pantone spot you're specifying (some of t= he CMYK equivalents are hideously unequal!) then the printer is really only going to be taking note of the name. However, I s'pose if you don't want = to spend the =A3100's on a set of Pantone books and you're willing to trust = your monitor display ;-) , it's one way of doing it.=20 One thing I've noticed (and I haven't corrected all of them) is that the naming and ordering of the libraries is *slightly* out of date compared t= o my latest books. Not enough to confuse anyone, but... tim --=20 d e - S i g . ph +64 9 478.3114 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 18 14:11:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59680 for opro ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:11:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890214612:05:23985:87; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:50:12 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0625566; 18 Mar 98 9:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2020139; 18 Mar 98 9:49 GMT From: Martin Tillman Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:42:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980318.094236.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:02:30 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980316.090938.78@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] > From: "David Briggs - Technician" > > Can anyone help with a problem I am having with Ovation Pro. If I > > create a frame, type some text and then select and 'Delete' the text > > then quite often the frame dissapears as well. If I 'Undo Delete' > > several times then the frame reappears but I am at a loss as to why > > this happens and I am hoping that someone out there might know what is > > wrong and how to fix it This seems to happen more often when on the > > first page of a document. If I just CUT the text then this does not > > happen. I am using v2.48, having upgraded from v2.46 via the Beebug web > > site. > I'm not aware that this is a bug. Might be that you sometimes click > twice. Might be an applet interaction. I have to say that I can reproduce this every time. It's definitely an interaction with an applet though, as uninstalling them all cures the problem. But as to which one... I've got almost every one, but I've also got another life! Perhaps about fifty people could volunteer to test one each ;-). -- m. PGP key available To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 18 14:11:26 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59682 for opro ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:11:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890214683:12:22525:81; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:51:23 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0625973; 18 Mar 98 9:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id at2020139; 18 Mar 98 9:50 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:42:14 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980318.094214.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 14:40:11 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Paul Sprangers >Can someone tell me if where I can obtain the Pantone Colour Chart for >OvationPro? >(I know it was on a RiscUser disk, but I don't have access to that). I think the original releases of OPro came with a chart called 'generic' which was a clone. From: Alan Muscat >Tonight I created a logo. There were 3 lines of text at about 24 point. >I drew 3 lines using the line drawing tool in Opro which sat on the top >of the X height of the 3 lines of text. When I printed this, the lines >had migrated north by about 3 mil, to sit on top of the Cap line. >Any suggestions? The one standard warning is that if you print something with a print scale of other than 100%, then the relative positions of Draw module and Font manager rendered objects move. You will find this does not happen with CC printer drivers. And the effect can be reproduced with other software besides OPro. The error moves around so it may be zero at 100%, bad at 110% and close to zero again at 120%. And 'Draw module' should not be confused with 'Draw file'. From: Carl Cepurneek >What about mailmerging graphics? Good idea. I had thought about this. I've not worked out a way of doing it though. From: Ray Dawson >Is there any way to search and replace styles or effects? No. It is on the todo list. From: "D.A.Symes" >But and this is the BIG but, It's not a very satisfactory way to upgrade. >Having to start from 2.46 every time is a urinating nuisance... I daresay >I like many others tweak the configs, move things around on the button >bars to make using OvPro more comfortable, add loads to the user >dictionaries etc etc... I agree. But we have problems. Firstly our upgrade software is broken, and the guy who writes it and understands the copy protection is somewhere far away, where they don't even have the internet. So we can only use the upgrader in a limited way - setting off from a known start position. Secondly there's a design issue. There should be some sort of user profile - i.e. files that you change should all go in one place, and not be zapped when you upgrade. Anything outside that e.g. templates would get overwritten. Finally there needs to be a different philosophy - when you make changes to the program, make them in such a way that you can easily copy them over to a new version. For example instead of sticking new code into existing files or modifying the code in them - write new scripts that change the effects of the existing ones at run time. >And... Just how much can we transfer from the old copy to the Updated version. I would guess a lot. There shouldn't have been too many large changes this time around. Your macros file will be OK. User dictionaries certainly are no problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 18 14:11:34 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59684 for opro ; Wed, 18 Mar 98 14:11:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890214708:12:22677:81; Wed, 18 Mar 98 09:51:48 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0626104; 18 Mar 98 9:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id au2020139; 18 Mar 98 9:50 GMT From: David Graddol Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:42:59 +0000 Organization: The English Company (UK) Ltd Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980318.094259.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:29:50 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980317.093254.51@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: > > From: David Graddol > > >Ah, I recall you saying something about tracking (which I had not > >interefered with) but I hadn't realised that auto-kerning also > >caused the problem. Having taken auto-kerning off, both problems > >go away - although the typography is not quite so nice and the slight > >tightening of the text that auto kerning gives, means that the text > >reflows quite differently (so, a tip for new projects only!) > > Hmm. The introduction of auto kerning is a surprise. > > Manual tracking, or manual kerning is done by inserting moves into > the strings sent to the font painter between characters. > In a justified line the font painter also introduces > extra spaces between some letters. Now it seems to me that > whilst this always works correctly on screen, with some printer > drivers one lot of extra spacing is ignored. > > Autokern is a surprise because it probably means you can demo the > effect using just Acorns own software e.g. Draw, and a fix is > thus much more likely. > > Well, I've double checked and if I turn auto-kern off, both my problems definitely go away. (we're only talking about the Postscript driver here. I've not had this trouble with either Acorn PCL5e drivers or Turbo Drivers). If I print a page which has only one paragraph with auto-kerning set, then the problem appears in that para only. How would you demo the effect in Draw? > > > >And (sorry) having fixed the first problem to some extent, I now have > >>another. How do you print bitmap graphics from an Ovation document to > >a postscript driver? I always get errors. I recall a tip which involved > >placing it in a draw file, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. > > There is as far as I know no problem. What sort of errors are you getting? > Ah, No problem! That's what I like to hear. It must mean that I'm doing something silly at my end. But any page which has a bitmap graphic in causes the postscript printer to spit the page out. PS is rather unforthcoming about articulating its complaints, but I get an Error: undefined message, and the offending command is given just as string of what seem to be Hex numbers. But I now realise that this isn't an Ovation problem - I can't print a bitmap to the postscript printer from any other application (e.g. Photodesk or Draw) either. But everything else is hunky-dory including Vector graphics. Has anyone come up against this problem? Postscript printing is such a necessity for professional printing jobs that I need to solve this one. David -- The English Company (UK) Ltd http://www.english.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:15 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59782 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306110:05:14181:85; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:15:10 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0629725; 19 Mar 98 11:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:13 GMT From: Paul Sprangers Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:57:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Pantone Colour Chart To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105757.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:05:55 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 17 March I wrote: > Can someone tell me if where I can obtain the Pantone Colour Chart for > OvationPro? > (I know it was on a RiscUser disk, but I don't have access to that). > Thanks in advance, I got a lot of charts by e-mail - and not only Pantone! Thank you all! (You can stop sending now...) Kind regards, Paul Sprangers To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:23 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59784 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306134:05:14613:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:15:34 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600185; 19 Mar 98 11:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:15 GMT From: Graham Jenkins Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:04:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Active dates and justification To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110420.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:02:15 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 17 Mar, Roger King wrote: > I too find the same problem with active dates in a right-justified > frame with version 2.48. > The command inserts today's date with no problems at all > with right justification set in a frame. Me too! (Sorry...) However there is a difference when I use Ctrl-D. The date appears as yth March 1998. Is there an easy fix for this, or do I have to re-install OvPro from the beginning? -- Graham ZFC S+ jenpyjay@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:27 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59786 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306169:12:10373:89; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:16:09 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600154; 19 Mar 98 11:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:14 GMT From: Roger King Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:02:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: POBar Applet and Ovation Pro 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110247.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:01:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Upon bringing up the Bar code... applet in Ovation Pro 2.49, one is presented with the normal pane but the four clickable icons are all blank. The writable icons are all unlabelled with the exception of "International Prefix". This applet works correctly with 2.48. Is there a quick fix? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /..Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rmking@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59788 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306188:12:10417:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:16:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0600149; 19 Mar 98 11:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ag2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:14 GMT From: Philip Powell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:57:10 +0000 Organization: Sharp Edge Subject: Applets with 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105710.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:59:52 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c An apology to Rupert Thompson. The problem I had with !Critic, !EndNotes, !Expand and !THe with OvnPro 2.49 were my fault - I'd forgotten that they had not been installed the same way as most of the others. Everything ok now. -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to the Cheviot PGP Key available on request To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:38 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59790 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306218:05:15129:85; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:16:58 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0600611; 19 Mar 98 11:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:16 GMT From: Jack Evans Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:59:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OP 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105926.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:56:13 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 18 Mar, Richard Watkinson wrote: > I messed around for several hours last night trying to make OP 2.49 work. It > would only respond if version 2.48 had been loaded first. Otherwise the rather > unhelpful message 'Template Fields not found' was presented, a message I am > unfamiliar with. Exactly my experience, except that mysteriously I now get the same msg when I try to load v2.48. Loading a second copy of v2.49 after that gives a type5 error msg after the prelimiinary OP window flashes on the screen. Anyone else hit problems or is it only just us? -- Jack Evans mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:43 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59792 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306233:15:01701:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:17:13 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600176; 19 Mar 98 11:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id am2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:15 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:58:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105842.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:56:41 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 18 Mar, Martin Tillman wrote: > I have to say that I can reproduce this every time. It's definitely an > interaction with an applet though, as uninstalling them all cures the > problem. But as to which one... I've got almost every one, but I've also > got another life! Perhaps about fifty people could volunteer to test one > each ;-). It was the fault of !EndNotes owing to an absolutely idiotic bug for which I should be severely beaten with birch twigs and/or wet celery. The corrected version, 2.83, is now available for download from my website at . -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:48 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59794 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306264:12:11079:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:17:44 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0600709; 19 Mar 98 11:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ao2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:16 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:59:47 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: OP 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105947.56@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:55:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 18 Mar, Richard Watkinson wrote: > I messed around for several hours last night trying to make OP 2.49 > work. It would only respond if version 2.48 had been loaded first. > Otherwise the rather unhelpful message 'Template Fields not found' was > presented, a message I am unfamiliar with. I had to manually copy the Templates file from !OvnRes.UK in the 2.49 upgrade into the upgraded copy. For some reason it didn't copy over. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:53 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59796 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306294:12:11184:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:18:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600834; 19 Mar 98 11:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:17 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:01:40 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various RE Bitmaps and Postscript To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110140.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:17:32 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980318.094259.40@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > But I now realise that this isn't an Ovation problem - I can't > print a bitmap to the postscript printer from any other application > (e.g. Photodesk or Draw) either. But everything else is hunky-dory > including Vector graphics. Has anyone come up against this > problem? Postscript printing is such a necessity for professional > printing jobs that I need to solve this one. > What does Ghostscript do with the file? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:41:58 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59798 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:41:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306315:12:11312:88; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:18:35 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0601054; 19 Mar 98 11:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id as2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:17 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:02:01 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110201.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:23:06 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 18 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Finally there needs to be a different philosophy - when you make changes > to the program, make them in such a way that you can easily copy them > over to a new version. For example instead of sticking new code into > existing files or modifying the code in them - write new scripts that > change the effects of the existing ones at run time. OK, I have altered my !Menus and MenuLib so that CS_S and CS_A are changed with C_S and C_A - and reflected in the menus. (Why are they in different scripts?) These can't be done just as macros as the menu entrys don't get altered. Does this mean that if I have a !Menus2 and MenuLib2 in the same directory, and containg just the alterations, that they will over-ride the settings in the original files? If so, good idea. If not, :-( Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:02 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59800 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306330:05:15816:82; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:18:50 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601159; 19 Mar 98 11:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:18 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:02:23 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Search/Replace styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110223.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:08:58 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 18 Mar, Dr. D. M. Lewis wrote: > On Tue 17 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > > > > Come to think of it, I could have dropped it into Publisher, changed it > > there and dropped it back into OP as a DDF. > > > No doubt I should know about this but can't find it anywhere! How do > you perform these moves in and out of Publisher? You have to export from Ovation Pro into Publisher as plain text. When you have tweaked the text in Publisher, you can save it back into Ovation Pro as a DDF file with styles saved. CTrl-F3 .. Text .. With styles. Either set the filetype to DDF, or if you have the option set in the !TransDDF !Run and !Boot files, drag it in as a text file. BTW, the new TransDDF version 1.03 has broke in that it doesn't strip returns off ordinary text files (dragged in with Ctrl) if it is set as above. The previous version did. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:08 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59802 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306411:12:11851:83; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:20:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601576; 19 Mar 98 11:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ay2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:19 GMT From: Alan Muscat Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:01:17 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110117.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:09:32 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980318.094214.41@risc.demon.co.uk> DP wrote: > From: Alan Muscat > > >Tonight I created a logo. There were 3 lines of text at about 24 point. > >I drew 3 lines using the line drawing tool in Opro which sat on the top > >of the X height of the 3 lines of text. When I printed this, the lines > >had migrated north by about 3 mil, to sit on top of the Cap line. > >Any suggestions? > > The one standard warning is that if you print something with a print scale > of other than 100%, then the relative positions of Draw module and Font > manager rendered objects move. Well first of all I did print at 100%. Second, what you have described is an abominable state of affairs. How is anyone supposed to design anything with this kind of nonsense going on. I'm not trying to put the blame on OPro, but whoever is to blame, it really is ridiculous. Whatever happened to WYSIWYG? If I can't be sure that any drawn shapes are going to be exactly where I place them, then I'd rather not use them. The last poster I designed was designed at A3 and then it was printed out at three different scalings. If I'd have used shapes or lines within Opro, then who knows where they would have appeared on the page. There has to be a better solution. Anyway, none of this explains why my lines moved when I printed at 100%. >You will find this does not happen with CC > printer drivers. And the effect can be reproduced with other software > besides OPro. Would you recommend the use of CC printer drivers with Opro? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59804 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306421:15:02198:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:20:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0601322; 19 Mar 98 11:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ax2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:18 GMT From: "David Briggs - Technician" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:59:04 +0000 Organization: University of Portsmouth Subject: Disappearing frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105904.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:23:59 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > In message <19980316.090938.78@risc.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > > [snip] > > From: "David Briggs - Technician" > > > > Can anyone help with a problem I am having with Ovation Pro. If I > > > create a frame, type some text and then select and 'Delete' the text > > > then quite often the frame dissapears as well. If I 'Undo Delete' > > > several times then the frame reappears but I am at a loss as to why > > > this happens and I am hoping that someone out there might know what is > > > wrong and how to fix it This seems to happen more often when on the > > > first page of a document. If I just CUT the text then this does not > > > happen. I am using v2.48, having upgraded from v2.46 via the Beebug web > > > site. > > > > I'm not aware that this is a bug. Might be that you sometimes click > > twice. Might be an applet interaction. > > I have to say that I can reproduce this every time. It's definitely an > interaction with an applet though, as uninstalling them all cures the > problem. But as to which one... I've got almost every one, but I've also > got another life! Perhaps about fifty people could volunteer to test one > each ;-). I have traced the problem to Rupert Thompsons !EndNotes applet. It affects both versions 2.70 and 2.82 of the applet and disabling or removing it seems to cure the problem. I thought maybe it was because I don't have the neccesary styles set up. As I don't actually use this applet maybe I will just leave it disabled. STOP PRESS Rupert has just uploaded v2.83 of the !EndNotes applet to his web site. Apparently this fixes the 'deleting local frames' bug. David Briggs To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59806 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306448:05:16667:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:20:48 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0601576; 19 Mar 98 11:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id az2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:19 GMT From: Rob Hemmings Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:03:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Colour matching To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110335.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 (19:06:06 +0000) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 23 Feb 98 (11:58:47 +0000), djscott@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I have a simple approach to colour matching which may be of interest. I >have produced an Ovation file which consists of two A4 pages of colour >samples. These consist of small areas of solid colour each about 20x5mm >in size covering all the combinations of Cyan, Magenta and Yellow from >0 to 100% in 20% steps, a total of 216 samples. > >When needing to match a colour for a specific printer setting, I print >out these test pages on that printer and then choose the colour that is >nearest to the desired colour, or make suitable adjustments when the >colour is between two of the samples. Note that it is essential for the >tests to be done with the same settings of printer resolution, >dithering, paper quality, etc. as the actual work, since the >reproduction of colours varies considerably with all these factors. David Scott has very kindly copied his charts to me and they will be very useful. However, I noticed that there are some colours that are still not included so I have created some similar charts from the HSV chart built into OvationPro. If anyone wants a copy, let me know (it is 104K uncompressed). Because of the different ways of creating the colours both approaches are useful and can be mixed as required. -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:23 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59808 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306472:15:02397:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:21:12 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601882; 19 Mar 98 11:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ba2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:19 GMT From: "waddell@which.net" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:03:58 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Active dates and justification To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110358.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:40:43 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 17 Mar, Roger King wrote: > On 16 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > > In the first edition of Ovation Pro I found a problem with active > > dates and justification which is still there. > > > I have my stationery set up with a date frame on the master page. > > The frame is right justified with active date inserted. > > > The problem is that when the date string changes length, so does > > the position of the date and it no longer lines up with the right > > hand edge of the frame. > > I too find the same problem with active dates in a right-justified > frame with version 2.48. > I have this quirk also but I live with it and I cannot recall it being replicated when printing. > The command inserts today's date with no problems at all > with right justification set in a frame. > Not if you change the macro! I, being old fashioned, put CTRL-D back to its 'Ovation' function for showing facing pages, since I do quite a lot of work on booklets. > As active dates cannot be "fixed" with Ovation Pro 2.48, then the use > of to insert the date would seem to offer a much better > choice. > You're right, it's sheer laziness on my part! I could use the changed macros I have - CTRL-Insert for the date, Shift-Insert for the time and Shift/CTRL-Insert for the date followed by the time, which I require for certain minuted events. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:29 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59810 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306497:12:12518:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:21:37 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0601882; 19 Mar 98 11:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bf2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:20 GMT From: Philip Powell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:56:17 +0000 Organization: Sharp Edge Subject: Disappearing frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105617.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:14:01 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980318.094236.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Martin Tillman wrote: >In message <19980316.090938.78@risc.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > >[snip] >> From: "David Briggs - Technician" > >> > Can anyone help with a problem I am having with Ovation Pro. If I >> > create a frame, type some text and then select and 'Delete' the text >> > then quite often the frame dissapears as well. If I 'Undo Delete' >> > several times then the frame reappears but I am at a loss as to why >> > this happens and I am hoping that someone out there might know what is >> > wrong and how to fix it This seems to happen more often when on the >> > first page of a document. If I just CUT the text then this does not >> > happen. I am using v2.48, having upgraded from v2.46 via the Beebug web >> > site. > > >> I'm not aware that this is a bug. Might be that you sometimes click >> twice. Might be an applet interaction. > >I have to say that I can reproduce this every time. It's definitely an >interaction with an applet though, as uninstalling them all cures the >problem. But as to which one... I've got almost every one, but I've also >got another life! Perhaps about fifty people could volunteer to test one >each ;-). > Me too - and it is caused by !EndNotes (2.82). Like Martin, I have most applets and no I didn't try each one (-: When upgrading to 2.49, I found that it didn't like four of my applets so I moved them out and the 'disappearing frames' was cured. Only took two reloads back with 2.48 to work out which one it was. BTW, the other applets that 2.49 did not like were !Critic (2.3), !Expand (2.1) and !THe (1.6) but I haven't had the chance to upgrade them yet. HTH -- Philip Powell Looking north across the Derwent Valley and Northumberland to the Cheviot PGP Key available on request To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:34 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59812 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306541:05:17203:81; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:22:21 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0602333; 19 Mar 98 11:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bg2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:21 GMT From: "Roger Darlington" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:58:19 +0000 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: Fonts moving in drawfiles/Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.105820.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:16:37 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > From: Alan Muscat > > >Tonight I created a logo. There were 3 lines of text at about 24 point. > >I drew 3 lines using the line drawing tool in Opro which sat on the top > >of the X height of the 3 lines of text. When I printed this, the lines > >had migrated north by about 3 mil, to sit on top of the Cap line. > >Any suggestions? > > David Pilling replied: > The one standard warning is that if you print something with a print scale > of other than 100%, then the relative positions of Draw module and Font > manager rendered objects move. You will find this does not happen with CC > printer drivers. And the effect can be reproduced with other software > besides OPro. > > The error moves around so it may be zero at 100%, bad at 110% and close > to zero again at 120%. > My reply: I had this very same problem about 9 months ago and David Pilling suggested several remedies to me, that he has perhaps forgotten: 1) Rotate the piccy frame it is in by any amount, like 0.01 degrees; it is then forced to use some other printing routine and the relative font/draw slippage does not then occur. 2) Put the drawfile into, not a rectangular frame, but a polygon frame with 4-sides (sounds the same - doesn't it - but the printing routine must again go via some other routine). 3) David Pilling said that he may (please do, then we can all forget about this silly bug in something or other - not necessarily opro) he may make it always use this routine for printing - but it will be slower. I answered 'yes please' to this a while ago, but we seem to be still waiting .... Roger R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Work Tel - (0161) 295 3399 Remember - a proton is for life, not just for Christmas To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59814 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306547:05:17239:82; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:22:27 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0602178; 19 Mar 98 11:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bh2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:21 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:00:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110031.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:01:53 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 18 Mar, Martin Tillman wrote: > In message <19980316.090938.78@risc.demon.co.uk> > David Pilling wrote: > [snip] > > From: "David Briggs - Technician" > > > Can anyone help with a problem I am having with Ovation Pro. If I > > > create a frame, type some text and then select and 'Delete' the text > > > then quite often the frame dissapears as well. If I 'Undo Delete' > > > several times then the frame reappears but I am at a loss as to why > > > this happens and I am hoping that someone out there might know what > > > is wrong and how to fix it This seems to happen more often when on > > > the first page of a document. If I just CUT the text then this does > > > not happen. I am using v2.48, having upgraded from v2.46 via the > > > Beebug web site. > > I'm not aware that this is a bug. Might be that you sometimes click > > twice. Might be an applet interaction. > I have to say that I can reproduce this every time. It's definitely an > interaction with an applet though, as uninstalling them all cures the > problem. But as to which one... I've got almost every one, but I've > also got another life! Perhaps about fifty people could volunteer to > test one each ;-). This is an interesting one, I've got 40 something applets, I've just reactivated the couple switched off (Yes rebooted OvPro) and I still cannot reproduce this problem. I also have another life so I don't fancy sitting here typing the in the list of applets I have. Unfortunately binary files are not allowed in this list.... however, I could easily do a screen grab of the directory and Email it to David (Briggs) or post it to a.a.binaries. Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07d To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:46 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59816 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306558:15:02675:82; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:22:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0602391; 19 Mar 98 11:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bi2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:21 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:00:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110054.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:08:04 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 18 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > From: "D.A.Symes" > >But and this is the BIG but, It's not a very satisfactory way to > >upgrade. Having to start from 2.46 every time is a urinating > >nuisance... I daresay I like many others tweak the configs, move things > >around on the button bars to make using OvPro more comfortable, add > >loads to the user dictionaries etc etc... > I agree. But we have problems. Firstly our upgrade software is broken, > and the guy who writes it and understands the copy protection is > somewhere far away, where they don't even have the internet. So we can > only use the upgrader in a limited way - setting off from a known start > position. > David Thanks for that info David. I didn't realise, "thingy" was broken, that explains why we step back to upgrade... With Beebug reorganising? how does OvPro stand... will it continue to develop, or will it go the way of a certain other DTP product? I'm sorry to have to ask this, but I'm sure that many other enthusiastic OvPro users like myself, would appreciate knowing where things stand at present. Cheers Dave And yes I confess to my sins, as quite a few people, yourself included may remember I was quite grumpy about the initial release of OvPro.... there were reasons for it that I'll not go in to...But that's all in the past, and as you know from communications we've had I consider OvPro an exceedingly excellent bit of kit. Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07d To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:52 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59818 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306578:05:17552:89; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:22:58 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0602509; 19 Mar 98 11:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:22 GMT From: Nick Kaijaks Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:03:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110312.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:33:23 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, David Graddol wrote: > > >And (sorry) having fixed the first problem to some extent, I now have > > >>another. How do you print bitmap graphics from an Ovation document to > > >a postscript driver? I always get errors. I recall a tip which involved > > >placing it in a draw file, but that doesn't seem to make any difference. > > > > There is as far as I know no problem. What sort of errors are you getting? > > > > Ah, No problem! That's what I like to hear. It must mean that I'm > doing something silly at my end. But any page which has a bitmap > graphic in causes the postscript printer to spit the page out. > PS is rather unforthcoming about articulating its complaints, > but I get an Error: undefined message, and the offending command > is given just as string of what seem to be Hex numbers. > > But I now realise that this isn't an Ovation problem - I can't > print a bitmap to the postscript printer from any other application > (e.g. Photodesk or Draw) either. But everything else is hunky-dory > including Vector graphics. Has anyone come up against this > problem? Postscript printing is such a necessity for professional > printing jobs that I need to solve this one. I've only come up against this fairly recently, but it did cause a real problem when it happened. It only affected one document, which I tried printing with both Level 1 and 2 PS, at a couple of different screens. The curious thing is that it previewed perfectly on GhostScript, but failed with %%Offending-Command: when sent to an imagesetter. Even more curious is that I could get my file to *partially* print to film, but only by changing the page size, and then partially cropped. I even tried re-laying-up the entire page in ArtWorks(!) but that still didn't work... Presumably it's an artifact of the particular image, although I can't think what at the moment. Certainly, I've printed plenty of files with bitmaps with no problem whatever... Ho hum... TTFN, Nick -- nick kaijaks ~ pinxit design ~ for internet and print ~ http://come.to/pinxit mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk orange:0966 188872 Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:42:58 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59820 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:42:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890306608:12:13164:82; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:23:28 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0602704; 19 Mar 98 11:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id bk2011580; 19 Mar 98 11:22 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:00:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.110009.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 15:03:18 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: "Dr. D. M. Lewis" >> Come to think of it, I could have dropped it into Publisher, changed it >> there and dropped it back into OP as a DDF. >No doubt I should know about this but can't find it anywhere! How do >you perform these moves in and out of Publisher? I think the move into Publisher would be tricky, we don't have a DDF exporter. From: Richard Watkinson >I messed around for several hours last night trying to make OP 2.49 work. It >would only respond if version 2.48 had been loaded first. Otherwise the rather >unhelpful message 'Template Fields not found' was presented, a message I am >unfamiliar with. It's because OPro 2.49 is looking at OPro 2.46 resources. You fix it by opening 2.49 and double clicking on the !OvnResDir icon and then rerunning. From: Tim King > Can someone tell me if where I can obtain the Pantone Colour Chart for > OvationPro? It's an old tale but Alternative Publishing do a little app called Swatch which comes with a lot of 'industry standard' colour charts, and I have a small program which will convert them to OPro format. Sticking something called "pantone colour chart" on your web site might invite swift retribution. From: David Graddol >Well, I've double checked and if I turn auto-kern off, both my >problems definitely go away. (we're only talking about the >Postscript driver here. I've not had this trouble with either >Acorn PCL5e drivers or Turbo Drivers). If I print a page which has >only one paragraph with auto-kerning set, then the problem appears >in that para only. How would you demo the effect in Draw? I have done some more. The case I was thinking about is enhanced justification mixed with tracking/manual kerning. That is OK with a CC driver (as long as you set it up to use their font manager), but fails on an Acorn bit map driver. I've now mailed off an (alleged) bug report to Acorn. So your thing is yet another problem. Presumeably you'd have to set up justified + auto kerned text in Draw. I wonder if thats possible on the same object... Actually twiddling the bits might not be easy either. >doing something silly at my end. But any page which has a bitmap >graphic in causes the postscript printer to spit the page out. Guesses. PS printers do sometimes run out of memory (big bit maps). Sometimes you can set them up to give proper error reports instead of just not printing. And you do have a few Acorn PS drivers to go at. No good using a level 2 driver on a level 1 printer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 19 13:43:02 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59822 for opro ; Thu, 19 Mar 98 13:43:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890308373:12:26702:35; Thu, 19 Mar 98 11:52:53 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0615407; 19 Mar 98 11:52 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2025600; 19 Mar 98 11:52 GMT From: Ian MacDougall Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:44:32 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980319.114432.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:40:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c It appears that there were several members of the list not receiving articles, it seems to have been to do with the number of people in the Bcc list. I have now adjusted that figure and seem to be reaching everyone. Anyone not receiving this please let me know :) Sorry for those of you who have missed out recently, David place archives on the Web site fairly frequently for thos of you who want to catch up. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 20 14:24:25 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59907 for opro ; Fri, 20 Mar 98 14:24:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890401772:12:21199:34; Fri, 20 Mar 98 13:49:32 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0602272; 20 Mar 98 13:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2028511; 20 Mar 98 13:49 GMT From: Colin Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:59:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Version 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085908.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:15:17 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c So where exactly is 2.49? I've just looked on the Beebug site and there's only 2.48 Also, what's new? -- Colin Thompson Mail to - colinet@atlantis.aust.com Web site - http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 20 18:24:46 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59912 for opro ; Fri, 20 Mar 98 18:24:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890415491:15:19496:34; Fri, 20 Mar 98 17:38:11 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0626938; 20 Mar 98 17:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2000293; 20 Mar 98 15:27 GMT From: Tony Young Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:00:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.090017.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:15:29 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have not received any of the mailing list items for the last week or so. Tony Young Hagley Community College Christchurch New Zealand To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 20 18:25:28 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59914 for opro ; Fri, 20 Mar 98 18:25:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890415596:05:18570:34; Fri, 20 Mar 98 17:39:56 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0626942; 20 Mar 98 17:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2004896; 20 Mar 98 15:35 GMT From: Pete Bready Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:57:39 +0000 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085739.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:09:44 -0800 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c D.A.Symes wrote: > > I also have another life so I don't fancy sitting here typing the in the > list of applets I have. > > Unfortunately binary files are not allowed in this list.... > however, I could easily do a screen grab of the directory and Email it to > David (Briggs) or post it to a.a.binaries. > > Cheers > > Dave OR Select All in the applets directory and shift-drag to an empty !Edit document to get a list of files/dirs? Pete Bready To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:10 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA59999 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890648192:05:14668:35; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:16:32 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0615845; 23 Mar 98 10:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2021342; 23 Mar 98 10:16 GMT From: Paul Hedge Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:58:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085825.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 19:41:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Yep I haven't recieved any articles for at least two weeks. In fact this is the second time it has happened, the last time I had to re-sign-on for the mail to continue. Paul Hedge -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ paulh@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60001 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890648437:05:16653:35; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:20:37 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0617404; 23 Mar 98 10:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2022189; 23 Mar 98 10:20 GMT From: Keith Parker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:58:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Pantone Colour Chart To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085847.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 23:04:16 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 17 Mar 98 (09:34:23 +0000), delink@worldaccess.nl wrote: > Can someone tell me if where I can obtain the Pantone Colour Chart for > OvationPro? > (I know it was on a RiscUser disk, but I don't have access to that). Perhaps Ian or David could speak nicely to Richard Hallas (Editor of RISC User) and persuade him to allow them to put it on the Web site ;-) Cheers Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:25 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60003 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890648725:15:02271:34; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:25:25 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0618990; 23 Mar 98 10:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2023078; 23 Mar 98 10:25 GMT From: Rupert Thompson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:57:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Disappearing frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085717.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:59:47 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 19 Mar, Philip Powell wrote: > Me too - and it is caused by !EndNotes (2.82). As I say, this has now been fixed. > BTW, the other applets that 2.49 did not like were !Critic (2.3), > !Expand (2.1) and !THe (1.6) but I haven't had the chance to upgrade > them yet. These applets should all work. At a guess, you haven't copied the shared libraries across into 2.49. There are two foolproof ways to do this, either (i) reinstall the applets from the original installers; or (b) download the libraries archive, , and run that installer. All of these applets work fine for me under OP 2.49. The latest version of !THe is 1.72, BTW. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:39 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60007 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890650641:05:02692:35; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:57:21 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600609; 23 Mar 98 10:57 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yH4tq-0006Ls-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:56:14 +0000 From:(Alf Chamings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:58:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085803.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:42:56 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 19 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > It appears that there were several members of the list > not receiving articles, it seems to have been to do > with the number of people in the Bcc list. I have now > adjusted that figure and seem to be reaching everyone. > > Anyone not receiving this please let me know :) > > Sorry for those of you who have missed out recently, > David place archives on the Web site fairly frequently > for thos of you who want to catch up. > This one I got, but nothing for the last couple of weeks. I thought Ian must have been on holiday, or something.? It looks like I won't be able to see responses to my problems for another couple of weeks since the archive is updated every month. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:43 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60009 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890650655:12:17507:34; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:57:35 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1217469; 23 Mar 98 10:57 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yH4uR-0006Ls-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:56:51 +0000 From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:59:31 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Fonts moving in drawfiles/Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085931.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:15:41 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980319.105820.00@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > The error moves around so it may be zero at 100%, bad at 110% and close > > to zero again at 120%. > > > My reply: > I had this very same problem about 9 months ago and David Pilling > suggested several remedies to me, that he has perhaps forgotten: > > 1) Rotate the piccy frame it is in by any amount, like 0.01 degrees; > it is then forced to use some other printing routine and the relative > font/draw slippage does not then occur. > > 2) Put the drawfile into, not a rectangular frame, but a polygon > frame with 4-sides (sounds the same - doesn't it - but the printing > routine must again go via some other routine). > > 3) David Pilling said that he may (please do, then we can all forget > about this silly bug in something or other - not necessarily opro) he > may make it always use this routine for printing - but it will be > slower. I answered 'yes please' to this a while ago, but we seem to > be still waiting .... > Thanks for going to this effort. I wasn't actually using a drawfile; the lines I drew were in OPro, and they were the ones that moved. However, what you said, might work with these lines; though we shouldn't have to be doing this, should we. -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:47 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60010 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:44 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890650724:15:09552:37; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:58:44 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601097; 23 Mar 98 10:58 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yH4vS-0006Ls-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:57:54 +0000 From:("St Anne's at T-MAIL") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:00:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.090038.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 01:00:23 EST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hello All, I don't think this specific question has been dealt with, but if it has I am sorry for wasting everyone's time. We produce the text and layout of our annual school magazine in-house and send Postscript files to a printer. Our previous printing company was happy to accept our files, play them out to film and then strip the photographs and artwork (which they scanned) onto the film by hand. We approached another company (who gave a *very* competitive quote when approached some months ago) who now refuse to have anything to do with hand stripping and insist that we give our files to them in a form which their Macs and Quark can read so that they can insert the illustrations in software. We have now gone to company three who seem more reasonable, but I suspect the same kind of problem is going to occur again and again. Is there any way of transferring OvPro output to a form readable by Quark, without the hassle of getting the pictures scanned and then inserting and image processing them ourselves before printing to disc (We do not really have the time nor experience to adjust often poor original images to a state suitable for publication)? Peter Tempest e-mail zaibmsml@ibmmail.com System Manager Phone 27 331 433300 FAX 27 331 431623 St Anne's College Private Bag 6002 Hilton KwaZulu-Natal South Africa To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:30:53 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60011 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:30:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890650792:05:03841:35; Mon, 23 Mar 98 10:59:52 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0601501; 23 Mar 98 10:59 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yH4wF-0006Ls-00; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:58:43 +0000 From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:59:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980320.085952.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 98 01:53:58 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Paul Sprangers >I got a lot of charts by e-mail - and not only Pantone! Oh, oh, oh, it's turning into one of those newsgroups where people swop copyright material 8-) From: Graham Jenkins >Me too! (Sorry...) However there is a difference when I use Ctrl-D. The date appears >as yth March 1998. Is there an easy fix for this, or do I have to >re-install OvPro from the beginning? Hardly. I believe the TransDte applet is the one most likely to hijack Ctrl-D. So all you have to do is disable that. Or perhaps just reset its language. From: Roger King >Upon bringing up the Bar code... applet in Ovation Pro 2.49, one is >presented with the normal pane but the four clickable icons are all >blank. The writable icons are all unlabelled with the exception of >"International Prefix". >This applet works correctly with 2.48. Is there a quick fix? It seems OK with my copy of 2.49. I think the relevant background is as follows - The top icon, the one which shows the bar code, uses the POBar font. This is a good thing. However on 2.48 and older versions antialiased fonts in applet icons were not supported. My suspicions would centre on the availability of the POBar font. From: Jack Evans >> unhelpful message 'Template Fields not found' was presented, a message I am >Exactly my experience, except that mysteriously I now get the same msg when >I try to load v2.48. Loading a second copy of v2.49 after that gives a >type5 error msg after the prelimiinary OP window flashes on the screen. But don't you have a rosy feeling inside, since all this grief is helping the one person who uses OPro off floppy? Seriously I've had enough, I will change this next time. From: Ray Dawson >OK, I have altered my !Menus and MenuLib so that CS_S and CS_A are changed >with C_S and C_A - and reflected in the menus. (Why are they in different >scripts?) Saves memory, because all the menus stuff in Autorun gets executed, and having done its job, is thrown away. The effect is a bit like crunching a Basic program - it makes the code hard to understand. >Does this mean that if I have a !Menus2 and MenuLib2 in the same >directory, and containg just the alterations, that they will over-ride the >settings in the original files? Hmm. I'm thinking you could have an applet !MyApplet and you put in that the menu entries you want to change. I'll have to go away and do some experimenting. >BTW, the new TransDDF version 1.03 has broke in that it doesn't strip >returns off ordinary text files (dragged in with Ctrl) if it is set as >above. The previous version did. Latest TransDDF is 1.09. I think the problem is the old thing of Ctrl on imported text only works if text comes in via OPro itself. But you've (or I've) set up the new TransDDF to intercept all text files and TransDDF does not do the thing with Ctrl. From: Alan Muscat >Well first of all I did print at 100%. Please can I see an example of the problem then? >Second, what you have described is an abominable state of affairs. Quite. See footnote #1 below. >Would you recommend the use of CC printer drivers with Opro? Ah well. I could give you a list of things that they do wrongly. But they do have some advantages. From: "Roger Darlington" >I had this very same problem about 9 months ago and David Pilling >suggested several remedies to me, that he has perhaps forgotten: It's all too easy to forget answers, or at least look at problems from different points of view at a later time. Your suggestions are excellent for the problem of bit maps moving at different scales. >3) David Pilling said that he may make it always use this routine for >printing - but it will be slower. I answered 'yes please' to this a while >ago, but we seem to be still waiting .... Wait no longer with your protons decaying! 'tis done in OPro 2.49... From: "D.A.Symes" >This is an interesting one, I've got 40 something applets, I've just >reactivated the couple switched off (Yes rebooted OvPro) and I still >cannot reproduce this problem. Presumeably the version numbers of some of those applets enter into the affair as well. >With Beebug reorganising? how does OvPro stand... will it continue to >develop, or will it go the way of a certain other DTP product? I believe Sheridan Williams has made a statement in comp.sys.acorn.announce. This is the relevant bit; >>Software >>We are completely committed to continuing the development of Ovation Pro. >>Sleuth 3 (OCR) is under development although no release date has been >>finalised. There will be an upgrade path for users of Sleuth 2. I will let you know what is going to happen when I find out. Ian has recently resigned, so at the least some reorganisation of this list is going to take place in the near future. News ---- David Scott's colour matching pages added to www.beebug.com. Footnote #1 ----------- From:(Richard G. Hallas) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 20:32:34 +0100 In message <19961127.083619.50@risc.demon.co.uk> (Wed, 27 Nov 1996 08:36:19 +0000), you typed: > I have a theory that the relative position on paper of font manager > and draw module output varies with the print scale. I reckon this > can be seen in the output of Impression too - alas you can't test > this with Draw. Oh and I think you don't see it with a CC printer > driver. This is a private mail, rather than going to the O-Pro list, as I just thought I'd pick you up on this point. A year or two ago I had some lengthy chats with Richard Piller of Calligraph about this sort of thing, because I was getting very bad printouts of files which combined text and drawn items. I can't remember all the ins and outs, but basically your theory is correct; with the additional point that the higher the resolution of the printer, the worse the problem gets. The problem has been so bad on my 1200dpi Calligraph that I've often just had to convert everything into Draw files before printing. Calligraph have put kludges in to try and circumvent the problem, but they're only partly successful. It's due to the fact that the Draw module isn't floating point, and hi-res printing is just beyond it. If you experiment with converting text to path objects in Draw, you can actually see that the converted object moves slightly from its original position! (This is a major pain, because if you convert a 'text+drawn items' Draw file to be all drawn items, the conversion process messes the file up completely! The solution is to use ArtWorks, because CC's GDraw module does the job properly. Of course, they use this module in their Turbo Drivers, too, which is why you don't get the same problem with printing. Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas -oOo- Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:31:15 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60015 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:31:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890652074:12:27753:36; Mon, 23 Mar 98 11:21:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0609014; 23 Mar 98 11:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2007288; 23 Mar 98 11:20 GMT From: Adam Evans Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:15:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980323.111511.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:53:34 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 19 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > It appears that there were several members of the list > not receiving articles, it seems to have been to do > with the number of people in the Bcc list. I have now > adjusted that figure and seem to be reaching everyone. > > Anyone not receiving this please let me know :) How can they know to reply to you, if they don't get it???????????? Adam Evans -- Webmaster and Sales Assistant CJE, 78 Brighton Road, Worthing, mailto:adam@cje.co.uk West Sussex, BN11 2EN, England http://www.cje.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0)1903 523666 Fax: +44 (0)1903 523679 * * * * Any views expressed by me are not necessarily those of CJE * * * * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 23 19:31:31 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60019 for opro ; Mon, 23 Mar 98 19:31:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890662794:05:28158:39; Mon, 23 Mar 98 14:19:54 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0610033; 23 Mar 98 14:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1009059; 23 Mar 98 14:19 GMT From: Richard Watkinson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:16:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: OP 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980323.111621.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 98 23:37:01 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >I had to manually copy the Templates file from !OvnRes.UK in the 2.49 upgrade >into the upgraded copy. For some reason it didn't copy over. I think this all boils down to NRTFM. It certainly is in my case - I think. I downloaded the software reinstalled OPro 2.46 and ran the upgrade. I'm pretty certain that I missed the next bit out - vis drag (with Force switched on) the downloaded Opro app to the refurbished Opro which I suppose will update the remaining bits and pieces such as Templates. Yet again Mea Culpa - but thanks to all those who helped. Richard - who should assume nothing -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:22 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60091 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890729350:05:20176:35; Tue, 24 Mar 98 08:49:10 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0620086; 24 Mar 98 8:49 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHPNW-00046M-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:48:14 +0000 From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:16:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980323.111643.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 98 02:57:38 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From: Colin Thompson >So where exactly is 2.49? >I've just looked on the Beebug site and there's only 2.48 >Also, what's new? The policy is to only make upgrades visible on the web site when they are known to be problem free. As I said 2.49 is a bit more risky than 2.48 was. Although so far I've not had any serious problems reported. The URL for the upgrade is; http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html As to new stuff... There's global clipboard support, you can now print a non-contiguous range of pages, copy/paste icon contents to the clipboard, graphics can now knockout, etc. etc. Also another crop of bug fixes. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60092 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890729371:15:19778:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 08:49:31 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1519731; 24 Mar 98 8:49 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHPOP-00046M-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:49:09 +0000 From:(Alf Chamings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:17:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Font Replacement To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980323.111707.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:08:58 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have a feeling this has been discussed before. If so, apologies for not have taken more notice. If I load a document containing a font which is not currently loaded, the dialogue box appears giving the options: cancel, permanent replacement, temporary replacement. If I click on permanent replacement and then save the document, I would expect subsequent loading of the document to include the substitute font and not to bring up the warning dialogue box. Not so. Up comes the box indicating the font still to be missing: most annoying. Is there any way of making a real permanent replacement? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60095 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890729422:05:20738:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 08:50:22 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0520668; 24 Mar 98 8:50 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHPPG-00046M-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:50:02 +0000 From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:15:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: ps print probs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980323.111535.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:44:17 +1200 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 19 Mar, Nick Kaijaks wrote: > On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, David Graddol wrote: > > > > >And (sorry) having fixed the first problem to some extent, I now have > > > >another. How do you print bitmap graphics from an Ovation document to > > > >a postscript driver? I always get errors. I recall a tip which involv [snip] > I've only come up against this fairly recently, but it did cause a real > problem when it happened. It only affected one document, which I tried > printing with both Level 1 and 2 PS, at a couple of different screens. The > curious thing is that it previewed perfectly on GhostScript, but failed > with %%Offending-Command: when sent to an > imagesetter. Even more curious is that I could get my file to *partially* > print to film, but only by changing the page size, and then partially > cropped. I even tried re-laying-up the entire page in ArtWorks(!) but that > still didn't work... Presumably it's an artifact of the particular image, > although I can't think what at the moment. Certainly, I've printed plenty > of files with bitmaps with no problem whatever... > > Ho hum... Another 1 for the ho hum file - it was probably a bitmap, certainly one of the objects on the page. Sending the file directly to the Fiery (colour laser from a Mac) and it would abort with the usual meaningless (to us) error message, but the ps file would render ok in Acrobat, and printed fine from there. Ho hum. For what it's worth - a sometimes workaround. tim -- d e - S i g . voce +64 9 478.3114 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:47 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60101 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:46 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732249:15:08227:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:37:29 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0613433; 24 Mar 98 9:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:36 GMT From: "Peter Daniel" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:53:53 +0000 Organization: University of Salford Subject: OvnPro 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085353.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:00:15 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have missed a lot of posts recently so appologies for asking what will seem an obvious question. Can anyone give me some details about 2.49, what has changed and is it available yet? Peter. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit my web-site: http://compsoc.man.ac.uk/~ulkesh/peter/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:51 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60103 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732303:15:08632:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:38:23 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0613868; 24 Mar 98 9:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:37 GMT From: Philip Hetherington Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:55:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Table Style To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085544.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:28:35 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c One of the useful features of Impression is the Table Style, which means information can be set out in Tabular form with vertical rules seperating columns and horizontal rulings separating entries. Is there anything like this available in Ovation Pro? I haven't been able to find anything in the manual. Phil Hetherington * ... I rightly wouldn't belieeeeve it....... -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm ZFC P To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:56 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60105 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732357:05:12977:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:39:17 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0614378; 24 Mar 98 9:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id al1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:38 GMT From: Matthew Gotts Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:55:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085500.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:08:12 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 23 Mar, Adam Evans wrote: > On Thu 19 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > It appears that there were several members of the list > > not receiving articles, it seems to have been to do > > with the number of people in the Bcc list. I have now > > adjusted that figure and seem to be reaching everyone. > > > > Anyone not receiving this please let me know :) > > How can they know to reply to you, if they don't get it???????????? > > > Adam Evans I think that was the point of the ":)" at the end ;-) !! I haven't been getting the postings either BTW. Well, I am now, er, um....got to go.. M -- Matthew Gotts Technical Support Norwich Computer Services - +44 (0)1603 766592 http://www.paston.co.uk/ncs magnox@zetnet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:00:58 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60106 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:00:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732358:05:12939:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:39:18 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0614374; 24 Mar 98 9:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id an1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:38 GMT From: Mr Breakwell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:55:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Drawfile printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085522.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 20:28:30 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 20 Mar 98 (08:59:52 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >The solution is to use ArtWorks, because CC's GDraw module does the >job properly. Of course, they use this module in their Turbo Drivers, >too, which is why you don't get the same problem with printing. > > So if this is the case then why not use GDraw calls in OP rather than Draw modules calls if the relevant modules are present. The calls are cross compatible and we may be able to render all information as anti-aliased (a feature of IP that I certainly miss). -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | davidb@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:06 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60110 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732415:15:09393:35; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:40:15 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0614852; 24 Mar 98 9:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:40 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:57:39 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085739.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:42:13 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 23 Mar, David Pilling wrote: Re 2.49 > As to new stuff... There's global clipboard support, you can now print a > non-contiguous range of pages, copy/paste icon contents to the > clipboard, graphics can now knockout, etc. etc. Also another crop of > bug fixes. How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to transfer copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support the global clipboard. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:08 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60111 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732421:12:05571:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:40:21 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0614839; 24 Mar 98 9:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ap1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:39 GMT From: Mike Hatton Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:57:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Maillist problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085719.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:56:03 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 23 Mar, Adam Evans wrote: > On Thu 19 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > It appears that there were several members of the list > > not receiving articles, it seems to have been to do > > with the number of people in the Bcc list. I have now > > adjusted that figure and seem to be reaching everyone. > > > > Anyone not receiving this please let me know :) > How can they know to reply to you, if they don't get it???????????? Please note the use othe smiley at the end of that sentence, indicating that the writer was making a joke. > Adam Evans -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MIKE HATTON mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk http://www.pyramus.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60113 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732494:12:06087:39; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:41:34 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0615330; 24 Mar 98 9:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:40 GMT From: Andrew Carnell Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:54:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085415.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 14:01:50 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Is there any way of transferring OvPro output to a form readable by Quark, without the hassle of getting the pictures scanned and then inserting and image processing them ourselves before printing to disc (We do not really have the time nor experience to adjust often poor original images to a state suitable for publication)? Easy send the OvPro files to my company, we will scan your photos and produce films direct from OvPro. We can also print your magazine or you can send the films to any printer you choose. Andrew Carnell Amorphic pubishers powered by Strong Arm RiscPC's 01522 533 044 -- Amorphic Publishing Newspapers Web Page http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/amorphic Magazines Newsletter Tel & Fax +44(0)1522 533 044 Leaflets Greetings Cards E-mail amorphic@argonet.co.uk Web Pages etc Powered by RiscPC Strong Arm If it's printable we do it. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60115 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732549:15:10160:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:42:29 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0615781; 24 Mar 98 9:42 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id au1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:42 GMT From: Ernst Dinkla Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:56:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085606.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:05:34 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 20 Mar, "St Anne's at T-MAIL" wrote: I was too optimistic on PDF/PS import by Pagemaker and Quark. There's nothing available says my informant. Between Pagemaker and Ouark there're some PD converters for their respective formats that's all. Than only RTF is left but for that you don't use Ov. Pro. Portable Document Format is not intended as a go-between for DP applications but only as an exchange format between platforms. Like HTML. That the !PDF readers for Acorn allow more is a quality in itself. What kind of detours are left: Printing from Acrobat is possible but that's not what printers want to work with I think. HTML? Good RIP software should allow some modification of PS-files to do imposition and software replacement of low quality images by quality scans but it's not that easily available everywhere. Sorry, can't help here. Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60120 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732611:12:07177:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:43:31 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0616323; 24 Mar 98 9:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ay1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:43 GMT From: Ernst Dinkla Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:56:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085654.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:59:12 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 20 Mar, "St Anne's at T-MAIL" wrote: > > Hello All, > I don't think this specific question has been dealt with, but if it > has I am sorry for wasting everyone's time. > We produce the text and layout of our annual school magazine in-house > and send Postscript files to a printer. Our previous printing company > was happy to accept our files, play them out to film and then strip > the photographs and artwork (which they scanned) onto the film by > hand. > > We approached another company (who gave a *very* competitive quote > when approached some months ago) who now refuse to have anything to do > with hand stripping and insist that we give our files to them in a > form which their Macs and Quark can read so that they can insert the > illustrations in software. > > We have now gone to company three who seem more reasonable, but I > suspect the same kind of problem is going to occur again and again. > Is there any way of transferring OvPro output to a form readable by > Quark, without the hassle of getting the pictures scanned and then > inserting and image processing them ourselves before printing to disc > (We do not really have the time nor experience to adjust often poor > original images to a state suitable for publication)? > > Peter Tempest e-mail zaibmsml@ibmmail.com > System Manager Phone 27 331 433300 FAX 27 331 431623 > St Anne's College Private Bag 6002 > Hilton KwaZulu-Natal South Africa More and more printers are restricting there input from customers to Quark files. This is happening in Holland as well. Even Pagemaker files are no longer accepted while it is a program that many designers prefer. So Acorn users are not the only ones that are confronted by that attitude. Hand stripping by printers will disappear more and more but something else may be the real reason; if a printer uses a certain kind of imposition he isn't happy with a PS file to work with as it means less control and more work to get the right imposition. What could be a solution is the use of PDF as an exchange format, Pagemaker will accept that as Adobe was the promoter of this Portable Document File. Pagemaker may even accept PS-files. I'm not sure Quark can do it (will ask an expert this evening). If so it is probably an extra filter that one has to buy. The printer will scan and add the images in Quark afterwards. There's no application for Acorns that can make a PDF-file by converting a PS-file but Acrobat on Mac and Wintel can make PDFs based on Acorn PS-files if you have the right mapping of fonts. Your printer must have that program. Otherwise buy it and use it on a Wintel or Mac till Acorn has a PDF-writer. That's cheaper than buying Quark. Wait till I can confirm my guesswork, as a screenprinter I do not have much experience with documents. There isn't an Acorn equipped printer in S.A. at all or is the distance an obstacle? Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:35 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60121 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890732677:12:07646:35; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:44:37 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0616791; 24 Mar 98 9:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aw1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:42 GMT From: Stefan Bellon Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:56:31 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085631.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:59:21 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 20 Mar, St Anne's at T-MAIL wrote: > Hello All, > I don't think this specific question has been dealt with, but if > it has I am sorry for wasting everyone's time. We produce the > text and layout of our annual school magazine in-house and send > Postscript files to a printer. Our previous printing company > was happy to accept our files, play them out to film and then > strip the photographs and artwork (which they scanned) onto the > film by hand. > We approached another company (who gave a *very* competitive > quote when approached some months ago) who now refuse to have > anything to do with hand stripping and insist that we give our > files to them in a form which their Macs and Quark can read so > that they can insert the illustrations in software. > We have now gone to company three who seem more reasonable, but > I suspect the same kind of problem is going to occur again and > again. Is there any way of transferring OvPro output to a form > readable by Quark, without the hassle of getting the pictures > scanned and then inserting and image processing them ourselves > before printing to disc (We do not really have the time nor > experience to adjust often poor original images to a state > suitable for publication)? Yes, the same here. The printing bureau I took in the past, want the files in QuarkXPress format for the Mac. So I think there should be some export facility or at least some DDL2Quark converter. What about that? Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:37 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60122 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890733469:05:21574:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 09:57:49 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0623598; 24 Mar 98 9:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id as1008397; 24 Mar 98 9:41 GMT From: Jack Evans Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:54:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980324.085437.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:09:44 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 20 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > From: Jack Evans > >> unhelpful message 'Template Fields not found' was presented, a message I am > >Exactly my experience, except that mysteriously I now get the same msg when > >I try to load v2.48. Loading a second copy of v2.49 after that gives a > >type5 error msg after the prelimiinary OP window flashes on the screen. > But don't you have a rosy feeling inside, since all this grief is > helping the one person who uses OPro off floppy? Seriously I've > had enough, I will change this next time. Oh, absolutely. But I am happy to report that all is well again now after careful reinstallation of V2.49 from scratch. I have a feeling that the problem arose through failure to carry out Step4 in the !!ReadMe file after running the Upgrade app. Worrying news about Ian's departure. Who's will see Sleuth 3 through now? If money is the root of it all, I suspect there's a majority of committed OPro users who would be happy to pay a further instalment to keep the project afloat, in recognition of all the amazing attention and improvements we've been having and are in the pipeline. -- Jack Evans mailto: jack@snave.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:01:52 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60125 for opro ; Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:01:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890729440:11:21428:34; Tue, 24 Mar 98 08:50:40 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0927630; 24 Mar 98 8:49 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp id 0yHPOq-00046M-00; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:49:36 +0000 From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:15:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980323.111557.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:49:07 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 20 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > D.A.Symes wrote: > > > > I also have another life so I don't fancy sitting here typing the in > > the list of applets I have. > > > > Unfortunately binary files are not allowed in this list.... however, I > > could easily do a screen grab of the directory and Email it to David > > (Briggs) or post it to a.a.binaries. > > > > Cheers > > > > Dave > OR > Select All in the applets directory and shift-drag to an empty !Edit > document to get a list of files/dirs? > Pete Bready Interesting thought...but rejected 'cos I'd have needed to edit out all the pathnames. What a lazy sod I'm getting in my old age. Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:22 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60256 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817633:05:05890:38; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:20:33 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0618497; 25 Mar 98 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ae2027884; 25 Mar 98 9:20 GMT From: Carl Cepurneek Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:09:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Drawfile printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.090941.43@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:33 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Thinking (guessing), >On Fri 20 Mar 98 (08:59:52 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: >>The solution is to use ArtWorks, because CC's GDraw module does the >>job properly. Of course, they use this module in their Turbo Drivers, >>too, which is why you don't get the same problem with printing. and then from Mr Breakwell : >So if this is the case then why not use GDraw calls in OP rather than >Draw modules calls if the relevant modules are present. The calls are >cross compatible and we may be able to render all information as >anti-aliased (a feature of IP that I certainly miss). If it's not politic for OPro to require the use of a CC module, could there be a clever applet etc which intercepted calls to Acorn's Draw module and sent them off to GDraw instead, which I assume is freely available in the Artworks viewer program? cpc To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:25 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60257 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817638:05:06002:33; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:20:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618535; 25 Mar 98 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2027884; 25 Mar 98 9:19 GMT From: John Hooker Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:10:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.091025.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 17:19:42 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I'm still learning OVPro...... One feature of the original Ovation was its ability to make frames transparent. When I load old documents into OVPro they maintain their transparency, but I cannot find a way of doing it from OVPro! I realise there must be a way and I'm being thick, so would some kind person please put me out of my torment!! John -- News Editor for SASAUG Visit http://www.poppyfields.net/sasaug/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:32 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60260 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817665:15:06021:36; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:21:05 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0618535; 25 Mar 98 9:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2028080; 25 Mar 98 9:20 GMT From: Ray Dawson Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:08:33 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Table Style To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.090833.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:29:52 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 24 Mar, Philip Hetherington wrote: > One of the useful features of Impression is the Table Style, which means > information can be set out in Tabular form with vertical rules > seperating columns and horizontal rulings separating entries. Is there > anything like this available in Ovation Pro? I haven't been able to find > anything in the manual. I always found Publisher's table feature a bit uncomprehensible and certainly unpredictable - which is why I think CC included TableMate in the package. I use TableMate with Ovation Pro and, using OLE, it is quite seamless. If you want to do proper tables invest in a copy - or try the copy you had with Publisher. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:34 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60261 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817674:12:05368:33; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:21:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0618535; 25 Mar 98 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ad2028080; 25 Mar 98 9:20 GMT From: Ketil Kristiansen Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:08:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.090856.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:41:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > On 20 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > > D.A.Symes wrote: > > > > > > > I also have another life so I don't fancy sitting here typing the in > > > the list of applets I have. > > > [...] > > > OR > > Select All in the applets directory and shift-drag to an empty !Edit > > document to get a list of files/dirs? > > > Pete Bready > > Interesting thought...but rejected 'cos I'd have needed to edit out all > the pathnames. > What a lazy sod I'm getting in my old age. Use the block edit mode in StrongEd: 1. Do the step Pete mentioned above, but use StrongEd instead 2. Mark the whole text 3. Delete the pathname Since you're inside a marked block, StrongEd will delete the pathname on all lines simultaneously - great for lazy sods like us ;-) Ketil -- / Ketil Kristiansen - Unix Admin, Psioneer & Acorn Nutter \ (--------------------------------------------------) \ eye@zahadum.com * http://www.stud.ux.his.no/~ketil-k/ / To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:36 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60262 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817690:05:06414:33; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:21:30 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0619031; 25 Mar 98 9:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id af2028080; 25 Mar 98 9:21 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:09:18 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.090918.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:51:51 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I wrote: > On 24 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > > On 23 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > > Re 2.49 > > > As to new stuff... There's global clipboard support, you can now print a > > > non-contiguous range of pages, copy/paste icon contents to the > > > clipboard, graphics can now knockout, etc. etc. Also another crop of > > > bug fixes. > > How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to transfer > > copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support the global > > clipboard. > > Ray D > Indeed, I have an OvPro 2.49 window, a Publisher window and a Zap window > open in front of me... > I cannot get OvPro to Paste in something copied to the clipboard from > either Publisher or Zap. > Similarly Publisher and Zap cannot find and paste things from the OVPro > clipboard, though they obviously can Copy/Cut and paste between > themselves. > "You can now print a non-contiguous range of pages"... Tried it out and > it works!!! Excellent work Mr P... > Dave S Whoops! replying to my own post of some minutes previous... I've just discovered the ****** Global clipboard need to be switched on in the OvPro Icon bar Menu-Choices.. Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07g To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:49 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60267 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817734:05:06761:36; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:22:14 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0619196; 25 Mar 98 9:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id ah2028080; 25 Mar 98 9:21 GMT From: "D.A.Symes" Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:10:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.091048.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:16:25 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 24 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 23 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > Re 2.49 > > As to new stuff... There's global clipboard support, you can now print a > > non-contiguous range of pages, copy/paste icon contents to the > > clipboard, graphics can now knockout, etc. etc. Also another crop of > > bug fixes. > How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to transfer > copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support the global > clipboard. > Ray D Indeed, I have an OvPro 2.49 window, a Publisher window and a Zap window open in front of me... I cannot get OvPro to Paste in something copied to the clipboard from either Publisher or Zap. Similarly Publisher and Zap cannot find and paste things from the OVPro clipboard, though they obviously can Copy/Cut and paste between themselves. "You can now print a non-contiguous range of pages"... Tried it out and it works!!! Excellent work Mr P... Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07g To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 25 13:53:55 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60269 for opro ; Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:53:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890817758:12:05913:33; Wed, 25 Mar 98 09:22:38 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0619612; 25 Mar 98 9:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by post.mail.demon.net id aj2028080; 25 Mar 98 9:22 GMT From: David Pilling Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:10:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980325.091003.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 14:38:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Alf Chamings) >If I load a document containing a font which is not currently loaded, the >dialogue box appears giving the options: cancel, permanent replacement, >temporary replacement. If I click on permanent replacement and then save the >document, I would expect subsequent loading of the document to include the >substitute font and not to bring up the warning dialogue box. Not so. Up >comes the box indicating the font still to be missing: most annoying. Is >there any way of making a real permanent replacement? Save as DDL and reload. Failing that save as DDL, hack out the erroneous font refs. and reload. From: "Peter Daniel" >Can anyone give me some details about 2.49, what has changed and >is it available yet? http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html From: Philip Hetherington >One of the useful features of Impression is the Table Style, which means >information can be set out in Tabular form with vertical rules seperating Rules are one of the famous things already in the program but not finished. From: Mr Breakwell >So if this is the case then why not use GDraw calls in OP rather than >Draw modules calls if the relevant modules are present. The calls are >cross compatible and we may be able to render all information as >anti-aliased (a feature of IP that I certainly miss). Because CC would go bannanas (and quite right too). Seemingly Acorn did do some sort of cross licence deal with CC over GDraw last year. If there really is a big problem here, and if there is no other fix, then GDraw should replace Draw. I hear that someone is to produce some new software which provides many of the CC rendering features like anti-aliasing and irregular clip - lookout for it at Wakefield. Finally I believe there's a hacked version of my FontFix module around which will allow any application to use GDraw and/or background blending on fonts. Although not for printing - note it's the printer drivers that would have to use GDraw. From: Ray Dawson >How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to transfer >copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support the global >clipboard. Enable from General choices...? From: Ernst Dinkla >There's no application for Acorns that can make a PDF-file by converting >a PS-file Ghost Script 4 should be able to. From: Stefan Bellon >Yes, the same here. The printing bureau I took in the past, want the >files in QuarkXPress format for the Mac. So I think there should be >some export facility or at least some DDL2Quark converter. >What about that? Like most things given enough money/determination this would be possible. It's interesting that other Mac DTP programs don't offer this though. From:(D.A.Symes) >Interesting thought...but rejected 'cos I'd have needed to edit out all >the pathnames. F12 *cat .applets { > $.myfile } BTW this thing with having too many applets loaded to know which one is causing the trouble. Presumeably you do a binary chop on them. Enable half, disable half, bug present, disable half etc. Rather than a linear search. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 19:51:06 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60419 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 19:51:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890941054:11:10483:34; Thu, 26 Mar 98 19:37:34 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0922441; 26 Mar 98 19:37 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEXv-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:26:23 +0000 From:(Philip Hetherington) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:13:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Table Style To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151347.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:52:14 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 25 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 24 Mar, Philip Hetherington wrote: > > One of the useful features of Impression is the Table Style, which means > I use TableMate with Ovation Pro and, using OLE, it is quite seamless. If > you want to do proper tables invest in a copy - or try the copy you had > with Publisher. > Ray D I have Tablemate Designer; but it was convenient to set up tables in one two step process - rather than preparing them in another in what would be a three stage operation. Actually what I have been doing is using Edit to prepare/upgrade my hard disc catalogue(s) using the shift click method of transferring cat information from directories to Edit, then cleaning up, inserting tabs instead of full stops as separators using Edit's Find and the magic character hex 09. This easily transfered to Impression set up for Table style in the correct columns. I can do exactly the same two stage thing, transferring directlyfrom Edit to Ovation, and I can do the final editing of replacing stops by tab characters in Ovation; but I cannot see how to draw vertical lines separating the columns. I could use the | character I suppose. Phil Hetherington * ... A computer without software just decorates your desk. -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm ZFC P To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 20:36:38 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60421 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 20:36:36 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890943678:12:22366:34; Thu, 26 Mar 98 20:21:18 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1518646; 26 Mar 98 20:21 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEVQ-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:23:48 +0000 From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:11:47 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151147.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 02:26:50 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c ============================================================================== Due to the recent resignation of Ian from Beebug, the Ovation Pro mailling list is going to run on my email address. Postings to the maillist should be sent to; ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Control messages should be sent to; maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk All subscribers to the old list have been automatically transfered to the new one, and you should receive the first posting from the new list soon. Please don't try resubscribing to the new list. Please update/remove references to the old list. Once Ian has gone all mail to that address will be lost. ============================================================================== David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 20:36:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60422 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 20:36:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890943834:12:23364:37; Thu, 26 Mar 98 20:23:54 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1223300; 26 Mar 98 20:23 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIERL-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:19:35 +0000 From:(Alf Chamings) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:12:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151211.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:41:17 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 25 Mar, John Hooker wrote: > I'm still learning OVPro...... > > One feature of the original Ovation was its ability to make frames > transparent. When I load old documents into OVPro they maintain their > transparency, but I cannot find a way of doing it from OVPro! > > I realise there must be a way and I'm being thick, so would some kind person > please put me out of my torment!! > Try: menu->object->modify->fill colour-> transparent Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 22:18:31 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60426 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:18:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890950091:11:22317:35; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:08:11 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1011217; 26 Mar 98 22:07 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEWA-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:24:34 +0000 From:(Stefan Bellon) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:12:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: CRC error when upgrading to 2.49 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151237.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:47:28 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hello there! I recently downloaded the upgrade to version 2.49 of OP. Then I proceeded as described in the upgrade instructions. But after the installation I got a message saying that there was at least one crc error when upgrading. I was upgrading from version 2.46g just in case you want to know. ;-) But my version 2.49 works very well so far. Now I wonder whether there may be some point which doesn't work properly because of the crc error or whether I can simply ignore this message and it only appeared because I was upgrading from 2.46g and not 2.46. Another question: In the templates file there's a window "Bullet". I didn't see it anywhere. Is it not implemented yet, or have I missed something? TIA. Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 22:19:16 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60428 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:19:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890947526:15:10577:35; Thu, 26 Mar 98 21:25:26 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1510313; 26 Mar 98 21:25 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEUi-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:23:04 +0000 From:(Mike Hatton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:11:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151124.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:05:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 25 Mar, John Hooker wrote: > I'm still learning OVPro...... > One feature of the original Ovation was its ability to make frames > transparent. When I load old documents into OVPro they maintain their > transparency, but I cannot find a way of doing it from OVPro! > I realise there must be a way and I'm being thick, so would some kind > person please put me out of my torment!! It is quite straightforward, but I wouldn't dream of calling you thick. Create your frame. Make sure the frame is selected, then press F7 to modify the frame. Click on the menu icon next to the "Fill colour" box, and choose "Transparent" from the colour picker. Then click on OK. HTH. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MIKE HATTON mike@pyramus.demon.co.uk http://www.pyramus.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 22:19:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60429 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:19:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890947684:05:20356:36; Thu, 26 Mar 98 21:28:04 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618864; 26 Mar 98 21:27 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEWi-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:25:08 +0000 From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:09:24 +0000 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Drawfile printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.150924.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:18:42 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980325.090941.43@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Thinking (guessing), > > >On Fri 20 Mar 98 (08:59:52 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > >>The solution is to use ArtWorks, because CC's GDraw module does the > >>job properly. Of course, they use this module in their Turbo Drivers, > >>too, which is why you don't get the same problem with printing. > > and then from Mr Breakwell : > >So if this is the case then why not use GDraw calls in OP rather than > >Draw modules calls if the relevant modules are present. The calls are > >cross compatible and we may be able to render all information as > >anti-aliased (a feature of IP that I certainly miss). > > If it's not politic for OPro to require the use of a CC module, could there > be a clever applet etc which intercepted calls to Acorn's Draw module and > sent them off to GDraw instead, which I assume is freely available in the > Artworks viewer program? Surely if CC can write GDraw, can't someone else write an equivalent and put it in OPro? Surely it's not a major programming task (he said, knowing very little about programming)? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 22:19:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60430 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:19:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890947974:15:13212:37; Thu, 26 Mar 98 21:32:54 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1513139; 26 Mar 98 21:32 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIESD-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:20:29 +0000 From:(Nico ter Haar) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:13:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151300.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:18:48 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Wed 25 Mar, John Hooker wrote: > I'm still learning OVPro...... > > One feature of the original Ovation was its ability to make frames > transparent. When I load old documents into OVPro they maintain their > transparency, but I cannot find a way of doing it from OVPro! > > I realise there must be a way and I'm being thick, so would some kind person > please put me out of my torment!! > Select the frame you want, MENU-Object-Modify... (F7 for short) The 'Modify text frame' window has a FILL COLOUR set this to Transparent and click OK. nico -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl ----> FoonGrep2 now supports the December 1997 CDfoon ! Pulstar Pages WWW site -- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 23:29:52 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60442 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:29:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890953435:09:05983:40; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:03:55 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1107813; 26 Mar 98 23:03 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEPT-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:17:39 +0000 From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:09:00 +0000 Organization: MagRay Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.150900.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:08:47 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 25 Mar, John Hooker wrote: > I'm still learning OVPro...... > One feature of the original Ovation was its ability to make frames > transparent. When I load old documents into OVPro they maintain their > transparency, but I cannot find a way of doing it from OVPro! > I realise there must be a way and I'm being thick, so would some kind > person please put me out of my torment!! Select the frame. Menu Object...Modify and then select Fill colour to be Transparent. Cheers, Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 23:32:15 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60444 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:32:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890952277:12:15704:33; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:44:37 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1215453; 26 Mar 98 22:44 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEQI-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:18:30 +0000 From:(Chris Manning) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:11:00 +0000 Organization: Organisation? Er, no... Subject: Re: Drawfile printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151100.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:51:30 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980324.085522.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Mr Breakwell wrote: >> The solution is to use ArtWorks, because CC's GDraw module does the >> job properly. > So if this is the case then why not use GDraw calls in OP rather than > Draw modules calls if the relevant modules are present. Draw is supported (not very well, maybe) by Acorn. GDraw, I suspect, is supported by nobody. I'd prefer it if my expensive (in Acorn terms) DTP package wasn't reliant on an unsupported module from a third party who's lost interest in the Acorn market. Chris To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 23:32:46 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60445 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:32:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890952291:12:15704:76; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:44:51 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1215491; 26 Mar 98 22:44 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEXI-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:25:44 +0000 From:(Stefan Bellon) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:09:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: OvationPro and 130MB To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.150949.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:43:24 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hello there! A few weeks ago I had the possibility to buy two EDO-SIMMs, 64MB each, extremly cheap! I bought them, inserted them into my StronARM-RiscPC (I had then 130MB ;-) and ... yes, *everything* worked fine. Even the pc card worked without any problems. Except one program: OvationPro! It crashed everytime when loading. I tried with only one of those SIMMs and it loaded. But then it crashed when doing a copy or cut to clipboard with a large picture. I didn't manage to get OvationPro working with either of the SIMMs. I tested in both slots on the mainboard. So I had to sell them, because I use OP really a lot. So my question: What is causing this? *Every* other program worked without problems, including ArtWorks, Impression Publisher, Studio24Pro (excellent with 130MB!), the ANT InetSuite, PCPro, ... This was with OvationPro 2.46. Now I've got upgrade to 2.49 and have another offer of two even more cheap 64MB SIMMs. So I'd like to know whether these problems still exist or whether they're solved and I can buy them now. TIA. Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 23:32:49 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60446 for opro ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:32:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890952645:05:25572:34; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:50:45 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1509136; 26 Mar 98 22:50 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIEYV-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:26:59 +0000 From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:10:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151012.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:31:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 25 Mar, Ketil Kristiansen wrote: > > On 20 Mar, Pete Bready wrote: > > > D.A.Symes wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I also have another life so I don't fancy sitting here typing the in > > > > the list of applets I have. > > > > [...] > > > > > OR > > > Select All in the applets directory and shift-drag to an empty !Edit > > > document to get a list of files/dirs? > > > > > Pete Bready > > > > Interesting thought...but rejected 'cos I'd have needed to edit out all > > the pathnames. > > What a lazy sod I'm getting in my old age. > Use the block edit mode in StrongEd: > 1. Do the step Pete mentioned above, but use StrongEd instead > 2. Mark the whole text > 3. Delete the pathname > Since you're inside a marked block, StrongEd will delete the pathname > on all lines simultaneously - great for lazy sods like us ;-) > Ketil Well... the problem is I've never much liked StrongEd... However that is my personal prejudice... But being a quite broad minded... though lazy Sod... I booted StrongEd into life.. Being an anorak... I do have a copy... (v4.21) I have an exclamatory phrase I use when something's damn neat... unfortunately it's not suitable for repeating on a news group, but needless to say, I tried Ketil's suggestion and it worked, and I used that phrase. Shame you'll have to make do with, NEAT or what... Even SWMBO was impressed... Perhaps I shall have to take a closer look at this StrongEd thingy. Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07g To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 27 00:58:15 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60452 for opro ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 00:58:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890956746:11:22347:37; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:59:06 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1122320; 26 Mar 98 23:58 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIESx-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:21:15 +0000 From:(Martin Tillman) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:13:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151324.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:48:28 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19980325.091003.62@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling wrote: [snip] > From: Ray Dawson > > How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to transfer > > copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support the global > > clipboard. > Enable from General choices...? Yes, but... C and V don't work for me (except within Ovation), but I note that dragging a text selection to Publisher or Zap does (even with the clipboard switched off, so I guess that's always been the case). Mind you, I can't get *anything* to copy between Publisher and Zap :-[ -- m. PGP key available To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 27 00:58:25 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60456 for opro ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 00:58:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890959273:11:02851:33; Fri, 27 Mar 98 00:41:13 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1001685; 27 Mar 98 0:40 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIETr-0006XQ-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:22:11 +0000 From:(Stephen Brown) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:10:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Table Style To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980326.151036.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:53:44 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On 24 Mar, Philip Hetherington wrote: > One of the useful features of Impression is the Table Style, which means > information can be set out in Tabular form with vertical rules seperating > columns and horizontal rulings separating entries. Is there anything like > this available in Ovation Pro? I haven't been able to find anything in the > manual. Even in Impression Publisher, this function wasn't all that it was made out to be, in fact I found it quite awkard and restricting. When I used to use IP, I tended to use Tablemate for the production of all my tables, which came part and parcel with IP, but having used version 1 of tablemate for some time I found it very lacking. Having said that, the last version of Tablemate, designer, is brilliant, and very versatile, it even allows you to put graphics inside table cells, which is something I need to do quite often, and it is completely OLE compatible with Ovation Pro. -- ______ _ / \ | | http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/stephen.brown \ ___/ | |_ ___ __ __ ___ \__ \ | _| / _ \ \ \/ / / _ \ / \ | |___ | __/ \ / | __/ \______/ |_____| \___| \/ \___| To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 30 19:46:44 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60666 for opro ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:46:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for opro@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891271386:12:28848:33; Mon, 30 Mar 98 15:23:06 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0516017; 30 Mar 98 15:22 GMT Received: from (risc.demon.co.uk) [158.152.18.44] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yJaHO-0005zD-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:50:54 +0100 From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:39:19 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Important announcement To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19980330.093919.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:35:58 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Since I am still seeing stuff on the list coming to the risc.demon.co.uk address I assume some of you didn't see or read David's announcement so here it is again. Please read it and act upon it: ============================================================================= Due to the recent resignation of Ian from Beebug, the Ovation Pro mailling list is going to run on my email address. Postings to the maillist should be sent to; ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Control messages should be sent to; maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk All subscribers to the old list have been automatically transfered to the new one, and you should receive the first posting from the new list soon. Please don't try resubscribing to the new list. Please update/remove references to the old list. Once Ian has gone all mail to that address will be lost. ============================================================================= I am manually transferring postings to David, so things shouldn't get lost, but please redirect your maillings as described above. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 01:20:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60342 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 01:20:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890865355:05:19435:0; Wed, 25 Mar 98 22:35:55 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0616844; 25 Mar 98 22:35 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by post.mail.demon.net id ac2011581; 25 Mar 98 22:35 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 22:27:08 GMT Message-Id: <60338@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 ============================================================================== Due to the recent resignation of Ian from Beebug, the Ovation Pro mailling list is going to run on my email address. Postings to the maillist should be sent to; ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Control messages should be sent to; maillist@pilling.demon.co.uk If you've received this message, then your subscription has been transfered from the old list to the new one. ============================================================================== From: John Hooker > One feature of the original Ovation was its ability to make frames >transparent. When I load old documents into OVPro they maintain their >transparency, but I cannot find a way of doing it from OVPro! Just set the background colour of the frame to transparent. The third default colour is transparent. From: Alan Muscat >Problems with lines moving... I once met someone who had written some music in Sibelius, and used ArcFax to fax it through to the orchestra. The notes (font manager) moved relative to the staves (Draw module), and when the conductor took up his baton... ArcFax has a 'funny' resolution for it's printer driver, 204x196 dpi. This resolution value magnifies the problem. Maybe the errors are designed to cancel out at standard values. Anyway by creating a 200dpi resolution version of the ArcFax printer definition file this problem can be avoided. So the general idea is that a print scale of other than 100% or printer resolution can result in relative shifts of these two types of output. I believe the effects can also be created with Impression. One thought is that certain print scales at a given resolution may minimise the problem. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From robh@argonet.co.uk Thu Mar 26 13:45:08 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60372 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 13:45:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890900360:15:25210:0; Thu, 26 Mar 98 08:19:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0514603; 26 Mar 98 8:19 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.93) [193.130.251.93] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yI7sa-0000Nf-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:19:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 (08:16:02 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Imposition Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by side on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page reduced down to A5.) I find it very complicated to achieve even with the imposition applet. Can anyone tell me what values are the best to use in the print dialogue box so that you end up with two A5 pages each centred within their half of the A4 page - I usually have to experiment and find an OK result only after lots of trial and error and some wasted paper! (It is the one area I've found where Impression seems much easier.) -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk From alfchamings@ed.ac.uk Thu Mar 26 13:45:22 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60379 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 13:45:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890905200:10:25957:30; Thu, 26 Mar 98 09:40:00 GMT Received: from holyrood.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.166.17]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1416399; 26 Mar 98 9:39 GMT Received: from alfred.ed.ac.uk (dialup-132.publab.ed.ac.uk [129.215.38.132]) by holyrood.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA04407 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:39:53 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Alf Chamings Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980326.022454.27@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] On Thu 26 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > From: Alan Muscat > > >Problems with lines moving... > > I once met someone who had written some music in Sibelius, and used > ArcFax to fax it through to the orchestra. The notes (font manager) > moved relative to the staves (Draw module), and when the conductor took up > his baton... > > ArcFax has a 'funny' resolution for it's printer driver, 204x196 dpi. > This resolution value magnifies the problem. Maybe the errors are > designed to cancel out at standard values. Anyway by creating a 200dpi > resolution version of the ArcFax printer definition file this > problem can be avoided. > > So the general idea is that a print scale of other than 100% or printer > resolution can result in relative shifts of these two types of output. > I believe the effects can also be created with Impression. > > One thought is that certain print scales at a given resolution may minimise > the problem. > This sounds related to a peculiar problem I encountered yesterday. A document page consisted of a map (scanned sprite) on to which I drew lines using OPro to link to an inset. I drew the lines at 200% magnification to place them accurately; when I reverted to 100% the lines had wandered by about 3mm across the screen. The print seemed to correspond to the 100% screen but I am not too sure of this. The next peculiar thing was that the map (sprite) wouldn't print on the laser direct printer, but did come out on the epson stylus. Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 http://www.med.ed.ac.uk/hew/ for occupational and environmental health From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Thu Mar 26 22:19:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60427 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:19:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890947174:05:17190:0; Thu, 26 Mar 98 21:19:34 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1214119; 26 Mar 98 21:19 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.108) [193.130.245.108] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIK3d-0003MO-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:19:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Feb 98 19:54:27 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: underline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I recently downloaded the dbase applet from Chris Ford and on reading the DBmanual noticed that certain words were undelined in a magenta colour. However as far as I can fathom this effect has /not/ been achieved in the normal way and when the text in question is moved to another document the effect disappears unless the stylesheet from DBmanual is applied. What is happening? I have spent so long trying to solve this I haven't got round to trying the DBase applet! Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 26 23:29:49 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60441 for ovationp-l ; Thu, 26 Mar 98 23:29:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890953048:10:28527:1; Thu, 26 Mar 98 22:57:28 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1106080; 26 Mar 98 22:57 GMT Received: from (gvine.demon.co.uk) [158.152.98.218] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIGiT-0000CT-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:45:26 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:10:28 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:09:43 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <3caf82c48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980326.022454.27@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980326.022454.27@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > So the general idea is that a print scale of other than 100% or printer > resolution can result in relative shifts of these two types of output. > I believe the effects can also be created with Impression. > > One thought is that certain print scales at a given resolution may minimise > the problem. Does this advice apply to postscript printing to file? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From rayd@argonet.co.uk Fri Mar 27 00:58:09 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60448 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 00:58:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890957956:15:05413:0; Fri, 27 Mar 98 00:19:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0501142; 27 Mar 98 0:19 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.246.59] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIMrU-00065u-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:19:09 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:51:34 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Deleting linked frames Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain It may be obvious, but I can't find a way of deleting redundant linked text frames. Ctrl-X won't work on them as they are linked and I don't know how to unlink them. The frames are empty. Cheers, Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 27 01:52:00 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60464 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 01:51:57 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890961394:12:02026:4; Fri, 27 Mar 98 01:16:34 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0626731; 27 Mar 98 1:16 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2002293; 27 Mar 98 1:16 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 01:12:23 GMT Message-Id: <60459@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From:(Rob Hemmings) >Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by side >on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page reduced >down to A5.) How to print 2 copies of one A5 page on A4. ------------------------------------------- Create A5 page Open print window Print Format menu, choose Thumbnails, and from the sub menu select 'all same' and 'paper area'. Expand print window (Print setup) and select 'sideways'. How to print 2 copies of one A4 page on A4. ------------------------------------------- Same as above, but set the print scale to 70% >(It is the one area I've found where Impression seems much easier.) I suppose someone could create an imposition format which takes the number of pages you want and works out the scale. From: Alf Chamings >This sounds related to a peculiar problem I encountered yesterday. A document >page consisted of a map (scanned sprite) on to which I drew lines using OPro >to link to an inset. I drew the lines at 200% magnification to place them >accurately; when I reverted to 100% the lines had wandered by about 3mm >across the screen. The print seemed to correspond to the 100% screen but I am >not too sure of this. No. Thats not the problem. Thats the other problem of large sprites shifting when rendered. As we've discussed here in recent days, that problem is fixed in 2.49. From:(Martin Tillman) >C and V don't work for me (except within Ovation), but I note that >dragging a text selection to Publisher or Zap does (even with the clipboard >switched off, so I guess that's always been the case). >Mind you, I can't get *anything* to copy between Publisher and Zap :-[ I feel that there's quite a bit to learn about this protocol. Some comments, most of the protocol is just the usual one for saving a file from one application to another. Secondly, I note that the clip board protocol was fine tuned for the Acorn NC. So someone must still hold out hope for it. A lot of the aggro is to do with converting filetypes - I have a Draw file, you ask for a text file etc. From:(Stefan Bellon) >error when upgrading. I was upgrading from version 2.46g just in case >you want to know. ;-) >or whether I can simply ignore this message and it only appeared >because I was upgrading from 2.46g and not 2.46. I don't know. Unlike some programs, there are not sub version numbers of the main !RunImage, and thats all you are patching. Thats all thats really important. I'd wonder if some of the other files perhaps had been changed. >Another question: In the templates file there's a window "Bullet". I >didn't see it anywhere. Is it not implemented yet, or have I missed >something? Yep, not fully implemented. All part of the para numbering/bulleting system. >A few weeks ago I had the possibility to buy two EDO-SIMMs, 64MB each, >extremly cheap! I bought them, inserted them into my StronARM-RiscPC (I >had then 130MB ;-) and ... yes, *everything* worked fine. Even the pc >card worked without any problems. Except one program: OvationPro! It >crashed everytime when loading. I tried with only one of those SIMMs >and it loaded. But then it crashed when doing a copy or cut to >clipboard with a large picture. I didn't manage to get OvationPro >working with either of the SIMMs. I tested in both slots on the >mainboard. So I had to sell them, because I use OP really a lot. >So my question: What is causing this? *Every* other program worked I don't know. I wonder if anyone else has had problems with too much memory? The sort of things which spring to mind are exhausting dynamic area space. Addresses becoming negative (i.e. bit 31 set). Or that there is some sort of problem with the memory but it only shows up with OPro. Thoughts about copy protection also come to mind. From:(Alan Muscat) >Surely if CC can write GDraw, can't someone else write an equivalent >and put it in OPro? Surely it's not a major programming task (he said, >knowing very little about programming)? An enjoyable project for anyone who has the time. But non-trivial, and as all this carry on has shown, doing it, and doing it just right are different things. >So the general idea is that a print scale of other than 100% or printer >resolution can result in relative shifts of these two types of output. Does this advice apply to postscript printing to file? I don't know but I would guess that the problem does not exist for PS output because the Draw and font modules are not involved in it. From: Ray Dawson >It may be obvious, but I can't find a way of deleting redundant linked >text frames. Ctrl-X won't work on them as they are linked and I don't know >how to unlink them. The frames are empty. Select the link tool. Select the links. Then click on the Delete icon on the info palette, or press the Delete key. (yes it would be better if this worked automatically). David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From wnet5167@waikato.ac.nz Fri Mar 27 03:38:46 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60499 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 03:38:43 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890967033:09:14975:2; Fri, 27 Mar 98 02:50:33 GMT Received: from mailserv.waikato.ac.nz ([130.217.66.61]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0914939; 27 Mar 98 2:50 GMT Received: from wnet5167.slip.waikato.ac.nz (wnet5167.slip.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.98.129]) by mailserv.waikato.ac.nz (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA94522 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:06 +1200 Received: by wnet5167.slip.waikato.ac.nz with Microsoft Mail id <01BD598F.D37382C0@wnet5167.slip.waikato.ac.nz>; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:29 +-1200 Message-ID: <01BD598F.D37382C0@wnet5167.slip.waikato.ac.nz> From: Waihi College To: "'ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk'" Subject: RE: Deleting linked frames Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:46:02 +-1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BD598F.D37382C0" ------ =_NextPart_000_01BD598F.D37382C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try selecting the link you wish to delete, and press delete Barrie Trotter NZ ---------- From: Ray Dawson[SMTP Sent: Friday, March 27, 1998 1:54 PM To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Deleting linked frames It may be obvious, but I can't find a way of deleting redundant linked text frames. Ctrl-X won't work on them as they are linked and I don't know how to unlink them. The frames are empty. Cheers, Ray D From cjbf@cus.cam.ac.uk Fri Mar 27 13:43:37 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60500 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 13:43:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890986982:12:09373:1; Fri, 27 Mar 98 08:23:02 GMT Received: from ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.6]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0607781; 27 Mar 98 8:22 GMT Received: from sp50.sp.phy.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.72.103]) by ursa.cus.cam.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.891 #2) for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 0yIUPf-0004ve-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:22:55 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:22:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Ford Subject: Re: underline To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980327.015415.37@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] Richard Watkinson wrote: > I recently downloaded the dbase applet from Chris Ford and on reading the > DBmanual noticed that certain words were undelined in a magenta colour. > However as far as I can fathom this effect has /not/ been achieved in the > normal way and when the text in question is moved to another document the > effect disappears unless the stylesheet from DBmanual is applied. It's showing the spelling errors (or unknown words) - a very useful feature. I thought I'd turned it off for the final manual... Use View->Options->Spelling errors to turn it on or off. I hope someone's found the !DBase applet useful... Chris. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 From jmgray@argonet.co.uk Fri Mar 27 13:43:40 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60503 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 13:43:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 890992340:09:08446:0; Fri, 27 Mar 98 09:52:20 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1426753; 27 Mar 98 9:52 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.112) [193.130.246.112] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIVo9-0002St-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:52:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: J.M. Gray To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:48:41 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <482d4304a6jmgray@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.06b for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980327.015435.79@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 27 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > From:(Rob Hemmings) > >Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by > >side on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page > >reduced down to A5.) > How to print 2 copies of one A5 page on A4. > ------------------------------------------- Create A5 page Open print > window Print Format menu, choose Thumbnails, I don't have this option - only Normal, Pamphlet, Galley and Printer Pairs (Ovation Pro 2.46) Jeremy -- Jeremy Gray, Assistant Treasurer, British Lichen Society jmgray@argonet.co.uk BLS website http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/jmgray/ From rayd@argonet.co.uk Fri Mar 27 08:53:34 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9263 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 08:53:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 890938591:10:06345:0; Thu, 26 Mar 98 18:56:31 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0907876; 26 Mar 98 18:56 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.245.84] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIHov-0000sh-00; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:56:10 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:59:06 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) In-Reply-To: <19980326.151324.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 26 Mar, Martin Tillman wrote: > > > How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to transfer > > > copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support the global > > > clipboard. > > Enable from General choices...? > Yes, but... > C and V don't work for me (except within Ovation), but I note that > dragging a text selection to Publisher or Zap does (even with the > clipboard switched off, so I guess that's always been the case). > Mind you, I can't get *anything* to copy between Publisher and Zap :-[ Strange. I can transfer via the clipboard between Publisher and Zap, but not between Ovation Pro and Zap. Ovation Pro to Publisher is Ok, but not Publisher to OP. I'm not sure about Pluto - hang on a minute... No, OP won't transfer either way with Pluto, but Publisher will. Are there two different global clipboard standards? I have the clipboard enabled in OP and am using Zap 1.39 beta 9. Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From alan.adams@gecm.com Fri Mar 27 21:31:28 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60539 for ovationp_l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 21:31:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp_l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891009737:11:08117:2; Fri, 27 Mar 98 14:42:17 GMT Received: from gcsin1.gecm.com ([194.128.74.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1108052; 27 Mar 98 14:41 GMT Received: from gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin1.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-0121PM) id AA26507; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:41:41 GMT Received: from gcschm.geccs.gecm.com by gcsin3.geccs.gecm.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1139AM) id AA31230; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:41:40 GMT Disclose-Recipients: prohibited Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:06:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 Subject: Re: underline In-Reply-To: <19980327.015415.37@pilling.demon.co.uk> To: ovation mailnglist Message-Id: <8246061427031998/A45149/CAUV40/11C3DB862200*@MHS> Autoforwarded: false Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Importance: normal Priority: normal Ua-Content-Id: 11C3DB862200 X400-Mts-Identifier: [;8246061427031998/A45149/CAUV40] Hop-Count: 2 > I recently downloaded the dbase applet from Chris Ford and on reading the > DBmanual noticed that certain words were undelined in a magenta colour. > However as far as I can fathom this effect has /not/ been achieved in the > normal way and when the text in question is moved to another document the > effect disappears unless the stylesheet from DBmanual is applied. > > What is happening? At a guess, the DBmanual stylesheet has View->Spelling Errors selected. Alan Adams From robh@argonet.co.uk Fri Mar 27 21:31:44 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60547 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 21:31:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891025391:09:15563:1; Fri, 27 Mar 98 19:03:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1115950; 27 Mar 98 19:02 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.129) [193.130.245.129] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIeOj-0001nx-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:02:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 (18:46:49 +0000) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 27 Mar 98 (01:54:35 +0000), David Pilling wrote: > >From:(Rob Hemmings) > >>Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by >side >>on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page >reduced >>down to A5.) > >How to print 2 copies of one A5 page on A4. >------------------------------------------- >Create A5 page >Open print window >Print Format menu, choose Thumbnails, >and from the sub menu select 'all same' and 'paper area'. >Expand print window (Print setup) and select 'sideways'. > But if I do exactly this (and view the result using the Arcfax printer driver to save paper) then part of the left hand frame is outside the left hand edge of the paper (looking at the paper in landscape orientation). Do I also need to change the scale, or something else? -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk From elly@argonet.co.uk Sat Mar 28 01:59:28 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60567 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 28 Mar 98 01:59:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891045875:12:00185:2; Sat, 28 Mar 98 00:44:35 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1200137; 28 Mar 98 0:44 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.70) [193.130.246.70] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIjjV-00060s-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:44:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Elma Alexander) Reply-To: elly@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 17:53:16 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Imposition Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Fri 27 Mar 98 (01:54:00 +0000), robh@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by > side on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page > reduced down to A5.) > > I find it very complicated to achieve even with the imposition applet. > Can anyone tell me what values are the best to use in the print > dialogue box so that you end up with two A5 pages each centred within > their half of the A4 page - I usually have to experiment and find an OK > result only after lots of trial and error and some wasted paper! (It > is the one area I've found where Impression seems much easier.)- I find it simplest to create a sideways A4, set to 2 columns with the gutter width double the margin width. Set the A5 page content on the left half and copy to the right half - print centred. Elma. -- - Elma Alexander - Email: elly@argonet.co.uk Praising God & Country Music IRC: Elly From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Fri Mar 27 21:31:41 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60546 for ovationp-l ; Fri, 27 Mar 98 21:31:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891021562:09:24614:1; Fri, 27 Mar 98 17:59:22 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1027350; 27 Mar 98 17:59 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIaTx-0001Ne-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:45 +0000 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 14:27:15 GMT Message-Id: <60530@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: J.M. Gray >I don't have this option - only Normal, Pamphlet, Galley and Printer Pairs >(Ovation Pro 2.46) Install the !Imposit applet, and you'll then gain, Tile, Thumbnail and Booklet format. From: Ray Dawson >> Mind you, I can't get *anything* to copy between Publisher and Zap :-[ >No, OP won't transfer either way with Pluto, but Publisher will. >Are there two different global clipboard standards? As I said a lot depends on the filetype of what you're handling. Also of course you can't copy a text frame to the clipboard and then paste that into Zap. I did most of my tests with Zap and StrongEd. From:(Rob Hemmings) >>Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by >>How to print 2 copies of one A5 page on A4. >But if I do exactly this (and view the result using the Arcfax printer driver >to save paper) then part of the left hand frame is outside the left hand edge >of the paper (looking at the paper in landscape orientation). Do I also need >to change the scale, or something else? Yes you may have to reduce the scale too if your printer can't print near enough the edges of the paper for the job. Maybe the solution is an extension to the format which lets you say how many thumbnails you want, and then it calculates the necessary scale. At the moment it either works out how many thumbnails will fit at the current scale, or lets you fix a number. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Sat Mar 28 14:35:15 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60609 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 28 Mar 98 14:35:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891074570:05:06201:0; Sat, 28 Mar 98 08:42:50 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0613575; 28 Mar 98 8:42 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.53) [193.130.246.53] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIrCS-0000pa-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:42:49 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:40:50 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <482dd11f21df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) In-Reply-To: <19980328.023432.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 28 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > On 26 Mar, Martin Tillman wrote: > > > > How does the global clipboard work in OP? It doesn't seem to > > > > transfer copied text between Zap and Publisher which also support > > > > the global clipboard. > > > Enable from General choices...? > > Yes, but... > > C and V don't work for me (except within Ovation), but I note > > that dragging a text selection to Publisher or Zap does (even with the > > clipboard switched off, so I guess that's always been the case). > > Mind you, I can't get *anything* to copy between Publisher and Zap :-[ > Strange. I can transfer via the clipboard between Publisher and Zap, but > not between Ovation Pro and Zap. Ovation Pro to Publisher is Ok, but not > Publisher to OP. > I'm not sure about Pluto - hang on a minute... > No, OP won't transfer either way with Pluto, but Publisher will. > Are there two different global clipboard standards? > I have the clipboard enabled in OP and am using Zap 1.39 beta 9. > Ray D Interesting... On my machine, I can use the global clipboard to transfer both ways between OvPro, Publisher and Pluto, in any combination of the three apps. The fly in the ointment seems to be Zap (V1.39B8)...Oh Bollox, I've just re-tested, and it works with all the others in any combination... no hold the presses and unbollox the above statement a bit... Works in all the combination with the exception of one... Zap will not paste items put onto the clipboard from Pluto (Ctrl-C or Ctrl-X) Pluto will accept from Zap though... Who's to blame I know not... Cheers Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm Wot... No tag line! ....^I^.... From ian@lowri.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 28 14:35:18 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60610 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 28 Mar 98 14:35:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891078207:12:06463:0; Sat, 28 Mar 98 09:43:27 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600675; 28 Mar 98 9:43 GMT Received: from (lowri.demon.co.uk) [194.222.175.160] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yIs8h-000139-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:43:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ian Lowry To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:25:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <482dd53627ian@lowri.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Global clipboard (was Re: Various) In-Reply-To: <19980328.023432.57@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 28 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > Strange. I can transfer via the clipboard between Publisher and Zap, but > not between Ovation Pro and Zap. Ovation Pro to Publisher is Ok, but not > Publisher to OP. > I'm not sure about Pluto - hang on a minute... > No, OP won't transfer either way with Pluto, but Publisher will. > Are there two different global clipboard standards? > I have the clipboard enabled in OP and am using Zap 1.39 beta 9. OvPro seems to use CNTL C (copy) and CNTL V (paste) Zap (139b10) uses CNTL E (copy) and CNTL Y (paste) Pluto uses CNTL C and CNTL V StrongED uses SHIFT+CNTL C and SHIFT+CNTL V So I count three different standards in four pieces of software! You must remember to use the keys of the active software package So OvPro > Zap is CNTL C to copy to clipboard and then CNTL Y to paste it to Zap !! I think we should campaign to standardise the keys on the Global Clipboard before this mess gets entrenched. Ian -- Cardiff - Soon to be home to the Welsh Assembly Iechyd da i bob Cymro.......... From neill@narrator.demon.co.uk Sat Mar 28 14:35:33 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60614 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 28 Mar 98 14:35:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891092569:05:15380:1; Sat, 28 Mar 98 13:42:49 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600341; 28 Mar 98 13:42 GMT Received: from narrator.demon.co.uk ([158.152.60.112]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2020208; 28 Mar 98 13:42 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by narrator.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:15:03 GMT Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:14:44 +0000 From: Neill McNeill To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: <6236df2d48%neill@narrator.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980327.015435.79@pilling.demon.co.uk> Organization: Home/Sensible Software X-Mailer: Messenger v1.31 for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60e In message <19980327.015435.79@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > From:(Rob Hemmings) > > >Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by side > >on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page reduced > >down to A5.) > Open an new A4 page( sideways) Make a frame half the size(i.e. A5) Make the page you want in that frame Group all the objects in the frame(make sure the main frame is deselected.) Duplicate it and drag the duplicated frame adjacent to the first Print the A$ page as normal. I find this quite easy. Hope it helps. > -- | Neill McNeill | Streatham Common| Acorn Risc PC OS 3.6 | neill@narrator.demon.co.uk| LONDON SW16 | 16Mb From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Sat Mar 28 17:50:41 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60624 for ovationp-l ; Sat, 28 Mar 98 17:50:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891105605:15:12687:1; Sat, 28 Mar 98 17:20:05 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1512674; 28 Mar 98 17:20 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.154) [193.130.245.154] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIzGy-000676-00; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:20:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 17:02:20 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: underline Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: > Spelling Errors selected Don't you feel stupid sometimes!! Thanks to all who replied for putting me out of my misery - the time I spent puzzling over this 'special effect'!! Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From kh@waikato.ac.nz Mon Mar 30 19:36:59 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60635 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:36:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891144330:09:24286:0; Sun, 29 Mar 98 04:05:30 GMT Received: from axil.wave.co.nz ([202.49.46.2]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1020707; 29 Mar 98 4:05 GMT Received: from asgard (a17.hn2.wave.co.nz [203.96.193.145]) by axil.wave.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01316 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:05:14 +1200 (NZST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Keith Hopper To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:51:16 +1200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: The missing pixels Content-Type: text/plain Greetings, Has anyone come across the following 'funny' which occurs both with 2.48 and 2.49? A pamphlet style document containing graphic 'backdrop' material which, according to the frame and picture modification windows have the graphics butted together in the middle of a two-page display. On the screen, apart from the single pixel grey 'edge' between facing pages the images do indeed appear contiguous. Print the document, however, and the two images have a fine white vertical line -- guess where? -- right first time -- where the screen grey 'edge' was. It does, however, appear to have a two pixel width in the printout (??one for each page edge??). Since I cannot put a frame across a pair of pages (well, strictly speaking I haven't found out how to do this if it is possible!) please, anyone, how can I get rid of this white line in the printer output?? kh From andy.ling@quantel.com Mon Mar 30 19:37:41 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60645 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:37:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891273687:10:14127:3; Mon, 30 Mar 98 16:01:27 GMT Received: from pop3.hiway.co.uk ([195.12.1.130]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1400192; 30 Mar 98 16:01 GMT Received: from mailsrv.quantel.com (bin@quantel-gw.hiway.co.uk [195.12.5.195]) by pop3.hiway.co.uk (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13225 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:06:40 +0100 From: Received: SMTP by Quantel-Mailhub (8.8.3/3.1). id RAA02679 for INET:ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:00:13 +0100 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <802565D7.0057F035.00@buffer1.HQ.quantel> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:05:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Important announcement Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Quantel Ltd. >Since I am still seeing stuff on the list coming to the >risc.demon.co.uk address I assume some of you didn't see >or read David's announcement so here it is again. Please >read it and act upon it: [snip..] >To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk >with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l >To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l This message needs changing to reflect the new address. Also when I replied to this the mail address was automatically set to the old one. I don't know if that is just because it came from Ian, but this may be another reason people are mailing to the wrong place. Andy Ling From rwatki@argonet.co.uk Mon Mar 30 19:45:54 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60654 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:45:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891180496:15:28974:0; Sun, 29 Mar 98 14:08:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1217858; 29 Mar 98 14:08 GMT Received: from (193.130.246.68) [193.130.246.68] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yJIkr-0000in-00; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:08:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Richard Watkinson) Reply-To: rwatki@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Sun, 29 Mar 98 15:04:46 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: RE: News Groups Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: Since I signed on to the OvationPro mailing list all correspondence has appeared, naturally, in my email section of Voyager. Would it be possible to arrange for it to appear in the News as a separate newsgroup, and if so what should I do? Richard -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ rwatki@argonet.co.uk From i.a.goulbourne@ncl.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 19:46:03 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60656 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:46:02 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891199528:12:01250:1; Sun, 29 Mar 98 19:25:28 GMT Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.51]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0600242; 29 Mar 98 19:24 GMT Received: from niag.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:24:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:56:48 +0100 (BST) From: Ian Goulbourne Subject: !citation, DDF & Ovation Pro To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Just thought you should know about a reference package by Tim Dawson called !Citation. It integrates with OvPro using DDF files to export references. The docs with the program say that it has been tested with Impression, but they do not know about OP I've checked it out and it works fine with DDF import to OP with the exception of autonumbering (I believe that this is on the cards) It needs the file type changed to DDF (unlike IP - I wonder why?) -oops just RTFM in the new OP2.49 docs - follow instructions to change TransDDF loaders to look at all text files ! I recommend this package especially as it integrates nicely with OP Ian -- Ian Goulbourne |__| |__| |__| Tynemouth | |__| |__| | Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Northumberland | | "Life's a beach in Tynemouth" |______________| *Remove NO.SPAM to reply* .. From mlb1@ukc.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 19:46:52 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60669 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:46:50 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891279807:15:10922:0; Mon, 30 Mar 98 17:43:27 GMT Received: from mercury.ukc.ac.uk ([129.12.21.10]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0610096; 30 Mar 98 17:43 GMT Received: from kiwi.ukc.ac.uk by mercury.ukc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:43:18 +0100 Received: from pcbi10 by kiwi.ukc.ac.uk (SMI-8.6/UKC-2.14) id SAA18239; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:43:17 +0100 Message-ID: <351FDA15.3C22@ukc.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:44:53 +0100 From: MattLB Organization: UKC X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.02 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Font and printing oddities Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been trying to print out a page with all my fonts displayed on it, for reference, but am having some problems. The page simply consists of the word Matt repeated multiple times with each one in a different font. Underneath each 'Matt' is the name of the font it's in. In total there are 77 different fonts. So far this is fine, albeit with a lot of disc thrashing to load in the font data. 1) The first problem occurs if I reduce the view from 100% to 50% in order to see the whole page at once. Basically, the bottom six lines, containing six different fonts, disappear. The style information is still there and if you click with the caret, the correct font name and size is shown on the info palette - you just can't see the text. It reappears when you return to 100%. 2) Knowing that saving out as a DDL and reloading cures a lot of things, I tried it. When it reloaded, however, several of the fonts had been lost. The 'Matt' was still there, it just had the same font as some of the others. 3) If you drop the screen resolution from, say 640 x 480, to 480 x 352 or below, when you return to 640 x 480 the info palette is truncated. Printing proved to be an unsolvable problem. I always print to file using the Acorn Postscript driver, which normally works without problem. Initially, I got a type 5 error. Thinking I may have a dodgy font (I've a mixture of the OPro fonts and ones off Acorn User CDs) I split the page into PD and non-PD ones. I then got a choice of two error messages either "Number not recognized" or "Buffer Overflow". The "Number not recognized" was the most common and hung around after quitting and reloading OP with a file that had printed fine in the past. A Ctrl-Break was required to purge this message. If anyone can replicate/explain/solve these occurances I'd love to know. I'm using OP 2.48 with only the Ovation Applet loaded on 12+1 SA RPC. MattLB From aca95jel@sheffield.ac.uk Mon Mar 30 08:50:20 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9272 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 890998167:05:16551:1; Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:29:27 GMT Received: from pp2.shef.ac.uk ([143.167.1.32]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1500257; 27 Mar 98 11:29 GMT Received: from broadstone.shef.ac.uk [143.167.23.251] by pp2.shef.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.73 #1) id 0yIXJv-0002of-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:29:11 +0000 Received: from BROADSTONE/SpoolDir by broadstone.shef.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 27 Mar 98 11:29:11 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by BROADSTONE (Mercury 1.40); 27 Mar 98 11:28:57 +0000 From: "Jamie Lawrence" To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:28:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Jamie Lawrence" X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.31 Message-ID: <44FDAB38A3@broadstone.shef.ac.uk> > A few weeks ago I had the possibility to buy two EDO-SIMMs, 64MB each, > extremly cheap! I bought them, inserted them into my StronARM-RiscPC (I > had then 130MB ;-) and ... yes, *everything* worked fine. Even the pc > card worked without any problems. Except one program: OvationPro! It > crashed everytime when loading. I tried with only one of those SIMMs > and it loaded. But then it crashed when doing a copy or cut to > clipboard with a large picture. I didn't manage to get OvationPro > working with either of the SIMMs. I tested in both slots on the > mainboard. So I had to sell them, because I use OP really a lot. > > So my question: What is causing this? *Every* other program worked > without problems, including ArtWorks, Impression Publisher, Studio24Pro > (excellent with 130MB!), the ANT InetSuite, PCPro, ... All I would suggest is running a memory check program since RISC OS doesn't check the entire memory at start-up. I think there was one available at the Acorn Cybervillage. On the other hand I don't know why corrupt memory would only affect OvPro, so maybe is a software problem. Jamie From johnward@argonet.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:50:20 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9273 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 890995373:09:25299:0; Fri, 27 Mar 98 10:42:53 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0925280; 27 Mar 98 10:42 GMT Received: from (193.130.251.57) [193.130.251.57] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIWax-0003E9-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:42:43 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Ward To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:34:19 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <482d522ec1johnward@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07g for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Drawfile printing In-Reply-To: <19980326.151100.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 26 Mar, Chris Manning wrote: > In message <19980324.085522.51@risc.demon.co.uk> > Mr Breakwell wrote: > >> The solution is to use ArtWorks, because CC's GDraw module does the > >> job properly. > > So if this is the case then why not use GDraw calls in OP rather > > than Draw modules calls if the relevant modules are present. > Draw is supported (not very well, maybe) by Acorn. GDraw, I suspect, > is supported by nobody. I'd prefer it if my expensive (in Acorn > terms) DTP package wasn't reliant on an unsupported module from a > third party who's lost interest in the Acorn market. It's about time that the Draw module itself had this capability, as an option of course (i.e. via a Draw$Options flag). Some years ago I asked Acorn about desktop fonts and they said that the then-current machines weren't powerful enough to cope. I'm sure the same argument would have applied to anti-aliasing of Draw path objects, but nowadays the machines *are* powerful enough (indeed we had desktop fonts with the ARM600-powered RiscPC) -- especially with StrongARM. There is I suspect a potential problem with interfacing to the existing Printer Driver system, but I'm sure that could be overcome. Whoever produces such a module, and I feel sure that *someone* will do so sooner or later, let's hope that it does become a universal resource available to all apps, and that it will be able to be supported and updated indefinitely. If I were a programmer I'd write one that uses existing Draw calls and put it into the Public Domain so that it was always available for others to update in case I couldn't. -- John M Ward : "ZFC A" and a member of Convergence International Long-term Acorn user, not really an expert but feel free to ask anyway! From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:50:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9274 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 890999604:05:26693:0; Fri, 27 Mar 98 11:53:24 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0618891; 27 Mar 98 11:53 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab2011401; 27 Mar 98 11:53 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:58:37 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:58:24 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980326.150949.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980326.150949.38@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > This was with OvationPro 2.46. Now I've got upgrade to 2.49 and have > another offer of two even more cheap 64MB SIMMs.So I'd like to know > whether these problems still exist or whether they're solved and I can > buy them now. > But what we'd all like to know is where can *we* can get 64meg simms extremely cheap! -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From rayd@argonet.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:50:26 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9275 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:24 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891000781:09:26185:2; Fri, 27 Mar 98 12:13:01 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1000966; 27 Mar 98 12:12 GMT Received: from (ba67.argonet.co.uk) [193.130.246.44] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIY0A-0004Ey-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:12:51 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ray Dawson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:14:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Table Style In-Reply-To: <19980326.151347.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Organization: MagRay Content-Type: text/plain On 26 Mar, Philip Hetherington wrote: > I can do exactly the same two stage thing, transferring directlyfrom > Edit to Ovation, and I can do the final editing of replacing stops by > tab characters in Ovation; but I cannot see how to draw vertical lines > separating the columns. I could use the | character I suppose. Why not use the line drawing tool? Third one down in the Toolbox. You can set its width from the Objects menu. Cheers, Ray D -- ===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From ketil-k@hsr.no Mon Mar 30 08:50:29 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9276 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:27 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891011696:12:05683:2; Fri, 27 Mar 98 15:14:56 GMT Received: from siddis.his.no ([152.94.2.10]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0628517; 27 Mar 98 15:14 GMT Received: from broremann.hsr.no (broremann.hsr.no [152.94.1.10]) by siddis.his.no (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA05245 for Received: by gorina4.hsr.no with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA06713; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:14:46 +0100 To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Cc: ketil-k@hsr.no Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:10:12 GMT." <19980326.151012.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:14:46 +0100 From: Ketil Kristiansen D.A.Symes wrote: > On 25 Mar, Ketil Kristiansen wrote: > [...] > > > Use the block edit mode in StrongEd: > [...] > > Perhaps I shall have to take a closer look at this StrongEd thingy. When you do, try this too: Hold down ALT when marking the area. This way you can mark a rectangle and cut it with ^X as usual... Even simpler :-) (forgot this first time round because it's a relatively new feature) Regards, -K -- / Ketil Kristiansen - Unix Admin, Psioneer & Acorn Nutter \ (--------------------------------------------------) \ eye@zahadum.com * http://www.stud.ux.his.no/~ketil-k/ / From ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:50:35 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9278 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891011988:15:20855:12; Fri, 27 Mar 98 15:19:48 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0600930; 27 Mar 98 15:19 GMT Received: from gvine.demon.co.uk ([158.152.98.218]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1025039; 27 Mar 98 15:19 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by gvine.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:18:55 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:18:27 +0000 From: Alan Muscat To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Postscript printing Message-ID: <53b0712d48%ovation@gvine.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <19980310.091107.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts X-Mailer: Messenger v1.34c for RISC OS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60f In message <19980310.091107.95@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > (2) Justified text loses its justification when printed to > postscript. The text acquires what I can only call a 'soft rag'. > I got this effect when Tony Tolver ran some film out for me a > while back, and we couldn't work out what was happening. So it's > interesting to see exactly the same thing happening on a > different document on my own printer. Is this a problem with the > Acorn postscript printer driver or with Ovation Pro? Returning to the subject of Postscript printing and font 'effects', I recently created a poster that used the typeface 'Revue'(but not the Letraset version). In one part of the design I had a phrase tracked(320) so that it was flush with the edge of some other text, both left and right. In Ghostscript this looked absolutely fine. In the actual print out at the print vendor's, it was no longer flush on the right, but fine on the left; it was out by about 7mm. Further, in another area of the poster, I used the same typeface, but no tracking was employed, merely centred. In this case the single spaces between the three words on that line shrunk so that it looked like they were one word. The printer being used was a postscript colour laser. It might be that the typeface was substituted by the printer for its own Postscript version of Revue, and for some strange reason bogged everything up, but I'm not convinved about this. I provided the Acorn-friendly print vendor with an OPro file and the fonts used. Perhaps I should have provided them with my own postscript file instead, with the fonts downloaded. Could the problem have been with Ovation Pro? -- Alan Muscat *************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** ************** http://www.gvine.demon.co.uk ********************* From tomc@argonet.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:50:53 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9285 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:50:50 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891028211:09:01425:4; Fri, 27 Mar 98 19:50:11 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1003799; 27 Mar 98 19:50 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.207) [193.130.245.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIf8e-0002Uv-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:50:05 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr T J Chubb) Reply-To: tomc@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 19:49:53 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Screen re-draw Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I have a letter head with a logo created in !Draw. Quite often, the logo disappears, either totally or partially. It seems to be a screen-draw problem, because reducing the window size and then expanding it again sometimes causes the picture to reappear. (I also, on occasion, get small vertical lines at the end of text lines which can also be made to disappear by reducing and expanding the window). I have had a situation where a larger draw file would not fully redraw on the screen and the printout only contained the bits visible on the screen (...still with me?). Anyone got any ideas? TIA Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk From tomc@argonet.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:51:17 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9294 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:51:15 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891028203:05:22469:0; Fri, 27 Mar 98 19:50:03 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0608865; 27 Mar 98 19:50 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.207) [193.130.245.207] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yIf8b-0002Uv-00; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:50:01 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr T J Chubb) Reply-To: tomc@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 19:41:51 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Turbo Driver Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: I occasionally have a problem when printing from OvPro. For some reason, the print job gets directed to a scrap file (PrintQFS) and only a ctrl-break reset will restore things. It doesn't appear to follow any pattern and only happens with OvPro. Any ideas? I am using OvPro 2.48 on a non-SA RPC; Turbo 4.02 with Printers 1.22. TIA Tom C -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- .---------------------------------------------. |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | |Internet provider for all Acorn RISC machines| | | |\ | | | | |\| | | '---------------------------------------------' | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | tomc@argonet.co.uk From kevin@wcartsco.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:51:39 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9298 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:51:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891177734:05:02038:0; Sun, 29 Mar 98 13:22:14 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0619931; 29 Mar 98 13:22 GMT Received: from wcartsco.demon.co.uk ([158.152.233.63]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1005161; 29 Mar 98 13:21 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by wcartsco.demon.co.uk with SMTP; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:30:24 GMT Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:30:05 +0000 From: Kevin Simpson To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980324.085606.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Organization: The Western Commercial Arts Co. X-Mailer: Messenger v1.02 for RISC OS X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59d In message <19980324.085606.75@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > What kind of detours are left: > Printing from Acrobat is possible but that's not what printers want > to work with I think. HTML? We could petition the creators to include more provision for producing exactly the film your printer needs directly from OPro. There's not much point to using any DTP application if you can't output the job the way the printer wants it in the end. -- Kevin Simpson BA(Hons) The Western Commercial Arts Co. http://www.wcartsco.demon.co.uk graphic design - typeface design - typography - illustration - printing From frank@watsnees.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 30 08:51:45 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by risc.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA9300 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 07:51:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk id 891207242:05:27036:1; Sun, 29 Mar 98 21:34:02 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0621575; 29 Mar 98 21:34 GMT Received: from watsnees.demon.co.uk ([194.222.88.143]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1018993; 29 Mar 98 21:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Frank Watkinson To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:31:54 +0100 Message-ID: <482e9b8cdbfrank@watsnees.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07f for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Maillist problems In-Reply-To: <19980319.114432.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 19 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > It appears that there were several members of the list > not receiving articles, it seems to have been to do > with the number of people in the Bcc list. I have now > adjusted that figure and seem to be reaching everyone. Well, I don't know what I may have missed, but certainly the following was sent on the 16th March 1998 and failed (apparently) to arrive at the list. Quote: "Anyone? With !Speak now active through the applet !Speech, I find that two sets of lips on the button bar are not enough. 'Speak story' starts from the beginning. 'Stop speaking' does just that. When I want to start speaking again *from the caret*, the only option appears to be to weave my way through the menus to 'Speak from caret'. Using the menu system is too slow. Soooo, how do I define a macro (for use with a button) which will start 'Speak from caret'? This will then provide a total of three speech-related buttons. The extra button icon will, I presume, need to be placed in either: ..!OvnPro.!OvnResDir.UK.Buttons22 or ..!OvnPro.Applets.!Speech.AResources.Buttons22 Please, make your answer simple enough for one who cannot spell the letter 'C'. {;-)> If this is too boring for the list, you could always email me direct." Unquote. Your help will be much appreciated. Regards. Frank. -- Frank Watkinson. email: using !Pluto 1.07f on RPC, SA, OS 3.70, Window Manager 3.97. From julian@southern.co.nz Mon Mar 30 23:04:33 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60721 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 23:04:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891285782:05:13738:1; Mon, 30 Mar 98 19:23:02 GMT Received: from [202.37.101.18] ([202.37.101.18]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1517791; 30 Mar 98 19:22 GMT Received: from illusio.milieu.org.nz (ppp137166.netaccess.co.nz [202.37.101.166]) by cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA15573 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:21:08 +1200 (NZST) Received: from localhost at Tue,31 Mar 1998.07:25:19 by illusio.milieu.org.nz (Acorn Risc PC/RISC OS 3.7) via SMTPTransport 0.02 (10 Jan 1998) GSD Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:23:53 +1200 From: Ariancylch To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Re: Various Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19980320.085952.89@risc.demon.co.uk> X-Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body X-Mailer: Messenger v1.38 for RISC OS X-Editor: Zap, using ZapEmail 0.21alpha MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.60c In message <19980320.085952.89@risc.demon.co.uk> david@pilling.demon.co.uk (David Pilling) wrote: > > From: Paul Sprangers > > > I got a lot of charts by e-mail - and not only Pantone! > > Oh, oh, oh, it's turning into one of those newsgroups where people > swop copyright material 8-) It is? Oh, neat! Does anyone have a copy of Ovation Pro? O:) -- I won't use words again | Faith | May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant |manages| and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said | - JMS | places where you must walk From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Mon Mar 30 23:15:01 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60727 for ovationp-l ; Mon, 30 Mar 98 23:14:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891295992:05:05614:2; Mon, 30 Mar 98 22:13:12 GMT Received: from post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.159.80.130]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1224722; 30 Mar 98 22:12 GMT Received: from (pilling.demon.co.uk) [158.152.9.39] by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 1.82 #2) id 0yJmnT-0001JI-00; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:12:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 98 22:15:55 GMT Message-Id: <60719@pilling.demon.co.uk> From:(David Pilling) Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: D.A.Symes >The fly in the ointment seems to be Zap (V1.39B8)... Someone said you had to set up Zap to release the clip board. Another area of possible bugs is that you may need to have everything running before you copy something to the clip board so that all the tasks know who currently owns it. From: Keith Hopper > A pamphlet style document containing graphic 'backdrop' material >which, according to the frame and picture modification windows have the >graphics butted together in the middle of a two-page display. On the >screen, apart from the single pixel grey 'edge' between facing pages the >images do indeed appear contiguous. Print the document, however, and the >two images have a fine white vertical line Hmm. I'd be inclined to worry if the print format script should be edited to allow some bleed onto the adjoining page. And perhaps allow the objects to go over the page edges on screen. >Since I cannot put a frame across a pair of pages (well, strictly >speaking I haven't found out how to do this if it is possible!) Another thing we never got around to. The object dbox's and some of the code supports a 'spread' button. From: >This message needs changing to reflect the new address. >Also when I replied to this the mail address was automatically >set to the old one. I don't know if that is just because it >came from Ian, but this may be another reason people are mailing >to the wrong place. Yes if you 'reply' to messages coming from the old list, they'll go back to it. I guess the old list won't run again. From: Ian Goulbourne >Just thought you should know about a reference package by Tim Dawson >called !Citation. Great, whats the URL? From: MattLB >I've been trying to print out a page with all my fonts displayed on it, >If anyone can replicate/explain/solve these occurances I'd love to >know. I'm using OP 2.48 with only the Ovation Applet loaded on 12+1 SA >RPC. Me too... >3) If you drop the screen resolution from, say 640 x 480, to 480 x 352 >or below, when you return to 640 x 480 the info palette is truncated. Known problem, nothing to do with fonts, just an irritation. >either "Number not recognized" or "Buffer Overflow". The "Number not >recognized" was the most common and hung around after quitting and This seems to be a common problem with having too many fonts. From: Jamie Lawrence >> So my question: What is causing this? *Every* other program worked >> without problems, including ArtWorks, Impression Publisher, Studio24Pro >> (excellent with 130MB!), the ANT InetSuite, PCPro, ... >All I would suggest is running a memory check program since RISC OS Some of those programs don't use dynamic areas. ISTR that it was once said there were file switch problems once memory addresses became "-ve." i.e. bit 31 set. From: John Ward >Whoever produces such a module, and I feel sure that *someone* will do >so sooner or later, let's hope that it does become a universal resource >available to all apps, and that it will be able to be supported and >updated indefinitely. As I said, in theory Acorn have a licence to use GDRaw. And someone (Alternative Publishing) is working on a new all singing/dancing version. >If I were a programmer... You might think twice in the light of the previous paragraph before doing 3 months work 8-) From: Ray Dawson >Why not use the line drawing tool? Third one down in the Toolbox. You can >set its width from the Objects menu. The lines won't move with the text. A tip is that you can use lines embedded in the text as a good substitute for horizontal rule offs. From: Alan Muscat >The printer being used was a postscript colour laser. It might be that the typeface >was substituted by the printer for its own Postscript version of Revue, and >for some strange reason bogged everything up, but I'm not convinved about this. >I provided the Acorn-friendly print vendor with an OPro file and the fonts used. >Perhaps I should have provided them with my own postscript file instead, with >the fonts downloaded. >Could the problem have been with Ovation Pro? One question is did the fonts look OK on screen on their system. What did their PS file look like on GhostScript. And of course by doing things this way you do open up the way for font downloading problems - i.e. the printer using a different font to OPro. From:(Mr T J Chubb) >I have a letter head with a logo created in !Draw. Quite often, the logo >disappears, either totally or partially. It seems to be a screen-draw problem, >because reducing the window size and then expanding it again sometimes causes >the picture to reappear. (I also, on occasion, get small vertical lines at the >end of text lines which can also be made to disappear by reducing and expanding >the window). AFAIK given a 'good' Draw file there are no redraw problems. A 'good' Draw file being one in which all the object bounding boxes are correct. Quick way of resetting them is to load the file into Draw and save it out. Another way people seem to have had redraw problems is by using an old colour supplement applet with the latest version of the program. From: Frank Watkinson >Soooo, how do I define a macro (for use with a button) which will >start 'Speak from caret'? In Applets.!Speech.Library.Speech, near the end you'll find the fragment; if(isdefmacro("startspeech") == -1) { translate(help1); defmacro2(0,"startspeech","{if(activetype(TEXTFRAME)>1) speech_story(1);else bbc_vdu(7);}","startspeech",help1); } The game is to copy this fragment below itself, and then tweek it so as to add the speak from the caret function/button. You'll have to replace the strings "startspeech" with "startspeechc", and the main change is to replace the (1) after speech_story with (0). >The extra button icon will, I presume, need to be placed in ..!OvnPro.Applets.!Speech.AResources.Buttons22 That one. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From ovpro@abacusline.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 31 14:08:33 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60824 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:08:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891328492:12:00356:0; Tue, 31 Mar 98 07:14:52 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0604674; 31 Mar 98 7:14 GMT Received: from abacusline.demon.co.uk ([194.222.194.153]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa1021337; 31 Mar 98 7:14 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:13:47 +0100 (BST) From: Ovation Pro Subject: Re: upgrading version 2.45 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.42] I have version 2.45 of Ovation Pro. What is the procedure for upgrading to 2.49 (or 2.50)? I would prefer to do it by post rather than email. Is that possible? -- Gerald L Fitton From e.dinkla@net.hcc.nl Tue Mar 31 14:11:09 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60827 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:11:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891337266:05:13796:0; Tue, 31 Mar 98 09:41:06 GMT Received: from grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net ([193.67.237.11]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0617091; 31 Mar 98 9:41 GMT Received: from edinkla.inter.nl.net by grootstal.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via ehv51-59.Eindhoven.NL.net [193.79.251.190] with SMTP for id LAA23494 (8.8.8/1.4); Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:41:02 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:29:34 +0100 (BST) From: Ernst Dinkla Subject: Re: Transfer to Quark To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980331.025728.03@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Kevin Simpson wrote: > Ernst Dinkla wrote > > What kind of detours are left: > > Printing from Acrobat is possible but that's not what printers want > > to work with I think. HTML? > > We could petition the creators to include more provision for producing > exactly the film your printer needs directly from OPro. > > There's not much point to using any DTP application if you can't output the > job the way the printer wants it in the end. The problem is that not every part of the world has a print- or imagesetting shop that uses Acorn / Ovation Pro equipment. So we have to choose between three options; Make a PS file of your document with exact imposition etc. based on the instruction by the printshop who will do the work for you afterwards. Have the films set by the imageshop or printer. Seems easy but isn't and a lot of printers will not co-operate. Even if Ovation has all the facilities. Printshops ask for Quark files, control what's in them and make the changes to what they are used to before making the films or plates. The second option would be to find a route between your DTP application and the imagesetter that allows the printshop to add the things they like to work with. As it's difficult to converse between DTP programs on different platforms this could mean the use of an application that wasn't intended for DTP. Acrobat Distiller could be an application for that purpose. It is limited though. The best thing is a program that allows manipulation of PS files as some expensive RIP programs have. But that isn't available in the normal printshop. The third option; taping the document films on transparant sheets and adding images in the same way allowes the printer to add the necessary changes by hand. This method is disappearing rapidly. Ernst -- .......even the armadillo dislikes a dead ant........ Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net From secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au Tue Mar 31 14:20:43 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60837 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:20:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891317916:10:27585:0; Tue, 31 Mar 98 04:18:36 GMT Received: from gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au ([129.96.250.33]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1116428; 31 Mar 98 4:18 GMT Received: from 009975 (sturt34.sturt.flinders.edu.au [129.96.238.34]) by gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SM Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980331144324.00910aa0@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au> X-Sender: secpc@gamgee.cc.flinders.edu.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:43:24 +0900 To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk From: Carl Cepurneek Subject: Re: Table Style In-Reply-To: <19980326.151347.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Philip H. wrote, relative to using Tablemate: > I can do exactly the same two stage thing, transferring directlyfrom Edit >to Ovation, and I can do the final editing of replacing stops by tab >characters in Ovation; but I cannot see how to draw vertical lines >separating the columns. I could use the | character I suppose. This works... Create your vertical lines (or a full table) in !Draw, and put it into a frame that is either transparent, and in front of, your tab separated text, or make the text frame transparent and put it on top of the frame with the lines. Question for the day: I have done a bit of !Drawfile creation from scripts and wonder how easy it would be to get the tab and line spacing information out of the OPro file to auto generate a draw file table? Clever souls might be able to have an applet do it so that if the tab spacing changes, a new !Drawfile can be created in situ. Regards, cpc From michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Tue Mar 31 14:20:51 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60840 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:20:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891331354:11:03212:3; Tue, 31 Mar 98 08:02:34 GMT Received: from gateb.bbc.co.uk ([132.185.132.11]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1412541; 31 Mar 98 8:02 GMT Received: from w12-mmta.radio.bbc.co.uk (w12-mmta.radio.bbc.co.uk [132.185.38.2]) by gateb.bbc.co.uk (8.8.8/8.7.2) with SMTP id Received: from Microsoft Mail (PU Serial #1772) by w12-mmta.radio.bbc.co.uk (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9h for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Mar31.085503.1772.914617; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:02:26 +0100 From:(Mike Hunter) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk (ovationp-l) Message-ID: <1998Mar31.085503.1772.914617@w12-mmta.radio.bbc.co.uk> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail via PostalUnion/SMTP for Windows NT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:02:26 +0100 Subject: RE: Turbo Driver Tom C wrote >I occasionally have a problem when printing from OvPro. For some reason, the >print job gets directed to a scrap file (PrintQFS) and only a ctrl-break reset >will restore things. It doesn't appear to follow any pattern and only happens >with OvPro. Any ideas? I am using OvPro 2.48 on a non-SA RPC; Turbo 4.02 with >Printers 1.22. I thought that the later Tubro drivers required versions of !Printers later than 1.28. Try downloading !Printers 1.53 from the Acorn site http://www.acorn.com/ftp/riscos/releases/printers/ You need to download printers and apply the 'patch' printers153 I have found this later set up very stable with no recollection of crashes. Even copes when I abort a job in mid flow! Hope this helps. Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk (01386) 420237 Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan Audio Engineering Lecturer, Centre for Broadcast Skills Training http://www.bbc.co.uk/woodnorton/ From robh@argonet.co.uk Tue Mar 31 19:03:15 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60867 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:03:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891365478:12:05883:1; Tue, 31 Mar 98 17:31:18 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0507408; 31 Mar 98 17:31 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.123) [193.130.245.123] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yK4sJ-0006HJ-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:31:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Rob Hemmings) To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 (08:19:48 +0100) X-Organization: Argonet, but does not necessarily reflect its views. X-Mailer: ArgoNet 'Voyager' Email Program 1.17 : ac Subject: Re: Various Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Tue 31 Mar 98 (02:55:35 +0100), neill@narrator.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19980327.015435.79@pilling.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> >> From:(Rob Hemmings) >> >>Is there an easy way to print two copies of the same A5 page side by >>side on an A4 sheet? (Or the same thing with two copies of an A4 page >>reduceddown to A5.) >> >Open an new A4 page( sideways) >Make a frame half the size(i.e. A5) >Make the page you want in that frame >Group all the objects in the frame(make sure the main frame is >deselected.) Duplicate it and drag the duplicated frame adjacent to the >first >Print the A$ page as normal. > >I find this quite easy. Hope it helps. Thanks for this and the other suggestions. However, I really want to be able to print the same page either as a single A4 (for a poster) or as a pair of identical A5s (for a handbill). -- ------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Hemmings Southport Tel: +44 (0)1704 573210 robh@argonet.co.uk From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 31 19:45:24 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60883 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:45:22 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891369539:12:06110:0; Tue, 31 Mar 98 18:38:59 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0628803; 31 Mar 98 18:38 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2010218; 31 Mar 98 18:38 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:37:18 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: Re: The missing pixels To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L In-Reply-To: <19980331.025550.17@pilling.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] On Tue 31 Mar, Keith Hopper wrote: > Greetings, > Has anyone come across the following 'funny' which occurs both with > 2.48 and 2.49? > > A pamphlet style document containing graphic 'backdrop' material > which, according to the frame and picture modification windows have the > graphics butted together in the middle of a two-page display. On the > screen, apart from the single pixel grey 'edge' between facing pages the > images do indeed appear contiguous. Print the document, however, and the > two images have a fine white vertical line -- guess where? -- right first > time -- where the screen grey 'edge' was. It does, however, appear to have > a two pixel width in the printout (??one for each page edge??). > > Since I cannot put a frame across a pair of pages (well, strictly > speaking I haven't found out how to do this if it is possible!) please, > anyone, how can I get rid of this white line in the printer output?? > > kh I have seen the upgrade from 2.46 to 2.48 at the Beebug web site, but where is version 2.49? Thanks, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 From richto@argonet.co.uk Tue Mar 31 19:45:42 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60884 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:45:40 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891354610:11:24160:0; Tue, 31 Mar 98 14:30:10 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1124089; 31 Mar 98 14:30 GMT Received: from (193.130.250.176) [193.130.250.176] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yK22n-0003Ce-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:29:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Richard Travers To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:11:37 +0100 Message-ID: <482f6a6f47richto@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.06i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: News Groups In-Reply-To: <19980331.025604.74@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 31 Mar, Richard Watkinson wrote: > Since I signed on to the OvationPro mailing list all correspondence has > appeared, naturally, in my email section of Voyager. Would it be > possible to arrange for it to appear in the News as a separate > newsgroup, and if so what should I do? As far as I am aware, there is no facility within the Voyager software for doing this. Within Voyager, the only thing I can suggest is to set up a separate mail box dedicated to the mailing list, so that the messages are separated from your other e-mail. The alternative is to invest in Jonathan Duddington's !Pluto, which works seamlessly with Voyager and has exactly the facility you are looking for. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Richard Travers | 01736 757941 | Posting from a | | richto@argonet.co.uk | St. Erth, Cornwall | Wintel-free zone | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From twilson@argonet.co.uk Tue Mar 31 19:45:49 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60885 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:45:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891364616:11:13121:6; Tue, 31 Mar 98 17:16:56 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa0904207; 31 Mar 98 17:16 GMT Received: from (193.130.245.219) [193.130.245.219] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yK4eT-0005s6-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:16:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From:(Mr T Wilson) Reply-To: twilson@argonet.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 31 Mar 98 13:45:28 X-Mailer: VTi Internet Email reader 1.09 : aa Subject: Re: Turbo Driver Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: On Tue 31 Mar 98 (02:57:20 +0100), tomc@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I occasionally have a problem when printing from OvPro. For some >reason, the print job gets directed to a scrap file (PrintQFS) and only >a ctrl-break reset will restore things. It doesn't appear to follow any >pattern and only happens with OvPro. Any ideas? I am using OvPro 2.48 >on a non-SA RPC; Turbo 4.02 with Printers 1.22. It may help to use later versions.. I use TurboDriver 4.05 with Printers 1.54. The only time I have had the RPC freeze in a similar situation is when I tried to use a JPEG picture in OPro. It needs to be converted to a sprite before you print. This is a known feature. Use Dave's excellent ChangeFSI program to do the conversion and don't forget to set Sprite Output to 32M colours if using a colour printer. -- _____ _ __ ___ _ |_ _(_)_ _\ \ / (_) |___ ___ _ _ twilson@argonet.co.uk | | | | ' \ \/\/ /| | (_- Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:11:46 +0100 Message-ID: <482f5f7622philhet@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07h for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Table Style In-Reply-To: <19980331.025650.08@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 31 Mar, Ray Dawson wrote: > Why not use the line drawing tool? Third one down in the Toolbox. You can > set its width from the Objects menu. > Cheers, > Ray D Thanks Ray I never thought of this. Phil * ... The grass is greener on the other side of the fence. -- Philip Hetherington RiscPC+StrongArm ZFC P From roz@infotech.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 31 21:27:42 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60887 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 21:27:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891371005:12:14325:8; Tue, 31 Mar 98 19:03:25 GMT Received: from post-20.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.27]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa0610774; 31 Mar 98 19:03 GMT Received: from infotech.demon.co.uk ([158.152.71.246]) by post.mail.demon.net id aa2015348; 31 Mar 98 19:03 GMT Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:01:29 +0100 (BST) From: "Rosalind M. Share" Subject: OvationPro Upgrade 2.49? To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.45] I have recently bought OvationPro 2.46. I saw at the beebug Website an upgrade to version 2.48. I joined this List today and find people talking about version 2.49. Where do I get this upgrade? Or better still, can someone send it to me as it is so elusive? Regards, Ros -- _ __ ___ ___ _________________________________________ | '__| / _ \ /__ | / Rosalind Share, roz@infotech.demon.co.uk | | | (_) | \__ \ / "Who is wise? Someone who learns |_| \___/ |___/ / from everyone." Pirkei Avot 4,1 From bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de Tue Mar 31 22:25:13 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60900 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 22:25:10 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891379369:05:12147:5; Tue, 31 Mar 98 21:22:49 GMT Received: from noc.belwue.de ([129.143.2.1]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1506880; 31 Mar 98 21:22 GMT Received: from ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de (ifi.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de [129.69.211.1]) by noc.belwue.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA18605 for ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:22:42 +0200 (MET DST) env-from (bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de) Received: by tick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de with SMTP; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:22:32 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Bellon To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:09:36 +0200 Message-ID: <482fa12e79bellonsn@trick.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: OvationPro and 130MB In-Reply-To: <19980331.025642.67@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 31 Mar, Alan Muscat wrote: > But what we'd all like to know is where can *we* can get 64meg simms > extremely cheap! Here in Germany they're rather cheap! I've had the possibility to get two 64 MB SIMMs (but used ones) for 250 DM each, that is about 85ukp each. I think they're much more expensive in UK, aren't they? Greetings, -- _____ _____ ____ ____ ____ _ _ | ___/_ _| __| __/ __ | \| | Stefan Bellon mailto:sbellon@gmx.de |___ | | | | __| __| __ | | /_____| |_| |____|_| |_||_|_|\_| Acorn RiscPC * StrongARM 202Mhz * 50 MB RAM From df.symes@argonet.co.uk Tue Mar 31 22:25:14 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60901 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 22:25:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891378916:09:01513:0; Tue, 31 Mar 98 21:15:16 GMT Received: from golden.argonet.co.uk ([194.131.104.13]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1119391; 31 Mar 98 21:15 GMT Received: from (193.130.248.248) [193.130.248.248] by golden.argonet.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.81 #3) id 0yK8N0-0002yQ-00; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:14:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: D.A.Symes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:11:09 +0100 Message-ID: <482fa152a4df.symes@argonet.co.uk> X-Mailer: Pluto 1.07i for RISC OS 3.7 Subject: Re: Various In-Reply-To: <19980331.025750.99@pilling.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain On 31 Mar, David Pilling wrote: > From: D.A.Symes > >The fly in the ointment seems to be Zap (V1.39B8)... > Someone said you had to set up Zap to release the clip board. > Another area of possible bugs is that you may need to have everything > running before you copy something to the clip board so that all the tasks > know who currently owns it. Erm.. and how does one get Zap to release the clipboard, the problem seems to be getting Zap to pick up something put on the clipboard by Pluto. So for example, Zap's Disown Clipboard is Greyed out. Everything was running, OvPro, Publisher, Pluto's Write Window and Zap. Dave S -- _________________________________________________________________________ Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn...Mem...BSFA and others... www.argonet.co.uk/users/df.symes/index.htm News and mail with the help of Pluto V 1.07i From i.a.goulbourne@ncl.ac.uk Tue Mar 31 22:54:19 1998 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60906 for ovationp-l ; Tue, 31 Mar 98 22:54:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891380274:09:09422:2; Tue, 31 Mar 98 21:37:54 GMT Received: from cheviot.ncl.ac.uk ([128.240.233.51]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1424347; 31 Mar 98 21:37 GMT Received: from niag.ncl.ac.uk by cheviot.ncl.ac.uk id (8.7.6/ for ncl.ac.uk) with SMTP; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:37:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:36:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Ian Goulbourne Subject: !Citation & OP To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? X-Mailer: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] David, sorry for missing out the URL/contact for !Citation:- The author can be contacted at... Snail mail: Dr Tim Dawson, 46 Windsor Rd., Penarth, S Glam, CF64 1JJ, UK Email: DawsonTP@Cardiff.ac.uk or : DawsonTP@darwin.u-net.com Ian -- Ian Goulbourne |__| |__| |__| Tynemouth | |__| |__| | Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Northumberland | | "Life's a beach in Tynemouth" |______________| *Remove NO.SPAM to reply* From david@pilling.demon.co.uk Wed Apr 1 01:51:39 1998 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA60937 for ovationp-l ; Wed, 01 Apr 98 01:51:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk id 891391243:12:04248:1; Wed, 01 Apr 98 00:40:43 GMT Received: from ehp-1.mail.demon.net ([193.195.0.154]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj0606727; 1 Apr 98 0:40 GMT Received: from pilling.demon.co.uk ([158.152.9.39]) by post.mail.demon.net id ab1003555; 1 Apr 98 0:05 GMT Date: Wed, 01 Apr 98 01:03:59 GMT Message-Id: <60907@pilling.demon.co.uk> From: David Pilling Reply-To: david@pilling.demon.co.uk To: ovationp-l@pilling.demon.co.uk Subject: Various X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 From: Ovation Pro >I have version 2.45 of Ovation Pro. >What is the procedure for upgrading to 2.49 (or 2.50)? As of now, you send your discs back to Beebug (FAO Sheridan Williams), and he gives you 2.46. You then use the patch off the web site and upgrade to 2.48 or 2.49. 2.50 has not appeared yet. >I would prefer to do it by post rather than email. >Is that possible? No. And in this brave new world I can't see why you'd want to. Talking to SW today, he said he *might* start dishing out floppies of the upgrade kits and new applets to those with no web access. For everyones info. Sheridan Williams (sheridan@beebug.co.uk) is now in charge of the physical manifestations of OvationPro. From: Carl Cepurneek >Question for the day: I have done a bit of !Drawfile creation from scripts >and wonder how easy it would be to get the tab and line spacing information >out of the OPro file to auto generate a draw file table? Possible but you'd have to parse the DDL file. From: "Rosalind M. Share" >I have seen the upgrade from 2.46 to 2.48 at the Beebug web site, but where >is version 2.49? http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/upgrade249/index.html From:(Mr T Wilson) >The only time I have had the RPC freeze in a similar situation is when I tried >to use a JPEG picture in OPro. It needs to be converted to a sprite before you >print. This is a known feature. See my comments at the end of August '97 for a blow by blow account of why this doesn't work and what you can do to get around it. >Use Dave's excellent ChangeFSI program No, Sophie Wilson wrote that. David Pilling's scanning software is mine. Now up to 1.09 with PNG import/export. From: Stefan Bellon >Here in Germany they're rather cheap! I've had the possibility to get >two 64 MB SIMMs (but used ones) for 250 DM each, that is about 85ukp >each. I think they're much more expensive in UK, aren't they? Maybe we should club together and buy a batch from Germany? Only snag is they don't work on Acorns 8-) David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK.