From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:09 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44886 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105370:09:22033:47; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:16:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:15 BST From:(Mike Hunter) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:09:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Printing problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.100920.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:21:09 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R I also had the same printing problem with OvPro v2.46 and BJC600 Turbo. I recently gave my machine a major rebuild and installed OvPro 2.46 and at the same time moved over to using EasyFont Pro and I found reverting to EF2 solved the problem. I have not had time to experiment to confirm the problem was due to EasyFont . Just a thought! Michael ---------- Subject: Printing problem I am using OvPro v 2.46 and printer driver Canon BJC-600 Turbodriver with When printing a text only document all is OK, but if there is a graphic in the doc, be it a sprite or Tablemate table, then either the printing freezes after about an inch of the page or the hourglass keeps pouring for ever. The only exit is Ctrl Break - Alt break or ESCAPE doesn't work. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:16 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44890 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:14 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105497:09:22828:46; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:18:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:17 BST From:(Mike Hunter) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:09:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Applet Manager - improvement - and a que To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.100944.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:57:02 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R With the large number of applets available and regular upgrades of them I was really pleased to see the Applet Manager on the site. It works really well and saves having to open each applet to find out the version number. I could however be improved. OvPro sets up the variable to indicate the directory for applets. The applet manager expects the applets to be in directory .Applets. For most people this will be the same directory and cause no problem. With various family members using the same version of OvPro I set up the variable to point to different directories for each user. In this way we can each have our own stationery, recently used documents, etc. in much the same way as we have our own user dictionaries. The Applet Manager ought to use the same variable. Finally - a question - would it be possible to have different choices for each user? For example at present we have to compromise over the date format. Keep up the good work. Michael To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:19 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44892 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105577:09:23303:43; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:19:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:19 BST From:(Goetz Kohlberg) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:10:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.101036.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:35:27 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R In on Wed 27 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > Yes, don't bother. As OPro stands there is 100% transparency and 0% > transparency and nothing in between. Tints are not connected with > transparency. > Transparency would be a good feature. In fact it might be a 'killer > Of course as of now RISC OS only supports 100% and 0% transparency too. I would like transparent fonts too. I know that this depends on the RiscOs font behavior so Acorn has to work on this but this Suggest you have a blue font and put a yellow font on top of it and the overlayed parts are automatically coloured green (as th As OvnPro is becoming the major DTP app in the acorn market I think there's enough power from the people behind this idea to ge -- # Goetz Kohlberg | Band/Fax (24h): 0228-690034 | 32bit Acorn # # Friedrichstr.47 | Tel. priv. : 0228-690034 (abends) | Computersysteme # # D-53111 Bonn | Tel. Riscybits: 0171-5494444 | StrongArm powered # To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:23 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44894 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:21 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105657:10:28219:48; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:20:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:20 BST From:(Peter Bell) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:08:56 +0100 Organization: Subject: Right hand outdents (was Re: various) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.100856.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:02:54 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R On Wed 27 Aug, David Pilling wrote: > From:("St Anne's at T-MAIL") > > > >We need to set a *tab* to the right of the right indent on a line. > >OV-Pro allows this but wraps anything beyond the indent marker onto > >the next line. We need to use the feature when setting out > >examination papers (the right end tab sets the position of the marks > >awarded for each question) and when typing minutes of meetings (to > >align 'for attention by' at the end of the appropriate lines). > > I don't think you can do this as things stand. The right indent is the end > of the line, nothing goes past it. Maybe an interesting special case to add > one day - but only if there's a lot of support for it. > One solution may be to have a new style "long line" which has a bigger > right indent, and apply it over the lines which you want to extend to the > right. I have a need for this facility. Have not yet tried a workaround in OP, but in Impression I have to set a new style (ruler) on the last line of a paragraph, with a wider right margin. This, of course, only allows the outdent on the last line - it would be useful if it could be achieved on the first (or any other) line within the paragraph. I wouldn't mind the outdent being in a separate frame/column if the vertical position of the outdented text could be aligned to a particular mark within the body text. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 979 4639 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:27 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44896 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105742:09:24260:49; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:22:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:22 BST From:(Andrew Piper) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:10:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.101010.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 13:12:09 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R On Wed 27 Aug 97 (10:30:13 +0100), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: > From:(Andrew Piper) > >Has anybody else had any problems with the latest release (v1.04) of > >the Stationery applet? On a number of occasions it's given me an error > I've heard of no problems. The sort of things I'd wonder about, are > does the problem depend on you clicking on a particular document, and > have you made use of the new facility to have sub stationery > directories? Well, I have got a subdirectory, since the newest version of the applet comes with one set up. Initially it happened where I had my document _below_ the submenu, and I thought I'd try renaming things so that the submenu was the last item on the menu instead of the first. The problem went away, but the other day I had the machine completely hang up when I tried to access the document. It _is_ always the same document, but I don't think it is anything to do with that - I've heard from another user who has had applet cause his machine to hang up as well, and he's gone back to using the previous version. > Of course this is happening because the 'applet wizzard' has gone away > (to where superheroes go (Milton Keynes)) and I've taken over 8-( Erk! Is this permanent, or just a holiday to get away from his adoring public? Andy -- ___ __ ___ / _ \___ ___/ /_ __ / _ \ Andrew Piper / _ / _ \/ _ / // / / ___/ e-mail - andyp@argonet.co.uk /_//_/_//_/\_,_/\_, / /_/ WWW - www.argonet.co.uk/users/andyp /___/ All opinions expressed are my own! To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:32 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44897 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105831:10:29092:59; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:23:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:23 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:11:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.101126.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 97 17:02:22 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R Hi, I'm inserting this quote that I saved out from a past Ov Pro mailing. The question was: >Is it possible to put crop marks around frames as in Publisher Plus. >For example, When I have business cards several times up on an A4 sheet, >the printer requires crop marks to individually guillotine them after >printing. I know there are options for Border definitions in the file of >that name the problem is I am a Graphic Designer not a software engineer. The reply was: Impression of course has this very sly trick with using border to generate crop marks - invented by Tony Tolver. We seriously thought about doing this - but did not. The current version of OPro 2.45/2.46 which you should receive any day, has a new print format - 'thumbnails' this means you design just one business card on a page, and then use thubnails to print it, each individual print will have its own crop marks. My reply is: Cobblers! I've spent hours and hours, and god knows how many logs of wasted wood trying to do what's suggested above. So unless someone can explain this process in sufficient detail, so that I don't have to waste more paper, before I get to the card... And.... even though the Printers Marks are ticked on, they do not print on to the paper... I'm fed up... I'm off... back to Publisher... Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 22:44:41 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44899 for david ; Mon, 01 Sep 97 22:44:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873105996:09:25565:49; Mon, 01 Sep 97 10:26:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ba1109025; 1 Sep 97 10:25 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:11:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970901.101101.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 97 01:55:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Martin Vethake) > while working with Ovation Pro 2.46 we noticed that the !HideDoc >Applet began displaying a document "Default" when Ovation used a >detect the 'hidden' default document, so we changed all compares > ... && s!="Default" >to > ... && s!=".Default" >in the HideDoc script and now it works as it should. Well spotted, thats quite correct and a useful bug fix. From:(Graham Jenkins) >I am using OvPro v 2.46 and printer driver Canon BJC-600 Turbodriver with >halftone text and graphics selected and queue options set to Compress and >Max memory. In !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices I have set >printchoices(1,8505,250,200000). All this on an early RiscPC600. >When printing a text only document all is OK, but if there is a graphic in >the doc, be it a sprite or Tablemate table, then either the printing >freezes after about an inch of the page or the hourglass keeps pouring for >ever. The only exit is Ctrl Break - Alt break or ESCAPE doesn't work. Hard to say. Clearly in general printing of graphics does work (even with Turbos). My worry would be how trivial the things you're printing are - simple Draw file in a rectangular upright frame, with no missing fonts etc. etc. ? The one long shot at a bug explanation would be to open the View->Seps menu before you print. I'd be inclined to try printchoices(0,...) since that will make OPro more akin to Impression. From:(Xavier deMonneron) >As a foreign user of Ovation Pro 2.46, I have some problems with the way >the dictionnary works. In french (and in italian also), we've use a lot of >' and this quote is not recognized by Ovation dictionnary as the last >letter of a word. Eg : if I write the sentence This is an interesting point, and I'll see what I can do. Obviously from our Anglocentric point of view, checking "you're" as an atomic unit is a good feature. It's a bit like hyphenation, in that you really need the ability to add on rules for various languages rather than just tables of data. Maybe spelling errors could be passed to the script language. >Another member of ARMada wrote a patch, but it must be tuned for every >Ovation release. So much for the copy protection. The next big thing is to put a patch program on the web pages so that everyone can upgrade to OPro 2.47 when it appears. And the snag is how to get around the protection 8-) From:(Dave Floyd) >Ignore this one! After banging my head against the same wall for a couple >of hours it dawned on me that I was misunderstanding the function of the >tint facility and thought of a work around. It still makes no logical sense >to me though, that applying a tint to white or transparent results in a >100% white or transparent colour. >Would it not be possible to implement a function into OP similar to the >tint function that would create graduated transparent colours? Tints work as they do because for printing with ink on a printing press that is a useful way of doing things. True for white or transparent the feature is redundant, and this might be the special case to use if we ever add transparency. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:09 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44955 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186770:09:29173:43; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:52:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:52 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:46:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Sprite Extend To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084634.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:32:10 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I installed the Applets for OPro 1.46 at the weekend. On starting OPro I got the message "SpriteExtend 0.99 needed" from the Artworks applet. Fortunately I don't need the applet at the moment. *help modules shows SpriteExtensions 1.10. I am on RiscOS 3.7 on StrongArm. Is this the same module? Can the Applet be fixed to see the correct name? -- Alan Adams To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:11 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44956 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186804:09:29358:47; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:53:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:52 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:47:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Page margins To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084720.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:34:28 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I recently had occasion to try to create an A2 page in OPro and noticed that, although the printer driver was set up to A2, the page still defaulted to A4 in OPro. Further, there doesn't seem to be a way to get OPro to get its definition of page size from the printer drivers. Am I missing something, or is this a desirable new feature? -- Alan Adams To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:14 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44957 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186824:09:29464:43; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:53:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:53 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:48:35 +0100 Organization: Subject: Crop marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084835.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 17:46:41 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi Y'all, I wrote recently with a moan, about how I couldn't get Ov Pro to print sheets of business cards with crop marks. :-( I'd like to openly thank Roger Mayne from DarPrint for phoning me today and explaining what I was doing wrong while trying to Print the cards. Thanks Roger. :-) Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:18 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44958 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186872:09:29699:47; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:54:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:54 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:49:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Stationery Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084944.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 03:18:19 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Andrew Piper) >Has anybody else had any problems with the latest release (v1.04) of >the Stationery applet? Version 1.04 is bugged. It seems to me that if you look at a sub directory menu and then make a selection from a higher level of the menu tree, it tries to load a document from the deepest level that you looked at. Alas the bug is in the main program, the menuprevious() function does not work correctly inside a menu entry function. However I'll program around this and upload the new version to the web pages in a day or two. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:22 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44959 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186928:09:29933:43; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:55:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:54 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:48:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084857.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 18:39:59 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c D.A.Symes wrote: > Cobblers! > I've spent hours and hours, and god knows how many logs of wasted > wood trying to do what's suggested above. So unless someone can explain > this process in sufficient detail, so that I don't have to waste more > paper, before I get to the card... And.... even though the Printers > Marks are ticked on, they do not print on to the paper... I'm fed up... > I'm off... back to Publisher... > Dave Yes they do. I promise. Try this. Click Menu... New and make a page 30mm high and 70mm wide. Make all borders 5mm. Type some text into the frame. Press Print. Click on the Format menu and select Thumbnails ... All the same. Click Print Setup. Click on the Printers marks button. Click on Print and off you go - a page with 18 business cards with printers and crop marks. (If you have ArcFax, print to ArcFax to save wasting paper). Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:27 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44961 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186938:14:10804:53; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:55:38 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:55 BST From:(Xavier deMonneron) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:47:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084745.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:52:44 +0200 (MET DST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, David Pilling wrote: > > >As a foreign user of Ovation Pro 2.46, I have some problems with the way > >the dictionnary works. In french (and in italian also), we've use a lot of > >' and this quote is not recognized by Ovation dictionnary as the last > >letter of a word. Eg : if I write the sentence > > This is an interesting point, and I'll see what I can do. > Obviously from our Anglocentric point of view, checking "you're" > as an atomic unit is a good feature. > It's a bit like hyphenation, in that you really need the ability > to add on rules for various languages rather than just tables of data. > Maybe spelling errors could be passed to the script language. Yes, it would be really nice if you could add rules, and also exceptions to rules (eg : aujourd'hui is only one word...) > > >Another member of ARMada wrote a patch, but it must be tuned for every > >Ovation release. > > So much for the copy protection. 8-) There wasn't any copy. I bought Ovation and he wrote it for me. What's the problem ? -- Xavier de Monneron, alias AsteRISC, member of ARMada and CPV Acorn RiscPC 600 24 MO/2 GO, SCSI2, 17", CDx4, 486sx33, RiscOS 3.5 Xavier.deMonneron@dassault-elec.fr -------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:34 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44963 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:30 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873186995:09:29819:119; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:56:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:56 BST From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:46:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Printing problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084657.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Sep 97 15:15:04 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 1 10:52:47 1997 From: Mike Hunter Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:09:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Printing problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:21:09 +0100 X-Maillist: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Content-Length: 941 I also had the same printing problem with OvPro v2.46 and BJC600 Turbo. I recently gave my machine a major rebuild and installed OvPro 2.46 and at the same time moved over to using EasyFont Pro and I found reverting to EF2 solved the problem. I have not had time to experiment to confirm the problem was due to EasyFont . Just a thought! Michael ---------- Subject: Printing problem I am using OvPro v 2.46 and printer driver Canon BJC-600 Turbodriver with When printing a text only document all is OK, but if there is a graphic in the doc, be it a sprite or Tablemate table, then either the printing freezes after about an inch of the page or the hourglass keeps pouring for ever. The only exit is Ctrl Break - Alt break or ESCAPE doesn't work. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l ----- End Included Message ----- I have also failed to get EF Pro work. It keeps refusing to load fonts. I put down, at first, to having a A3010 4 meg ram, 320 meg HD. Has any one else managed to make EFP work propaly?. If not can we get together when emailing fabris about a fix/ refund.? John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Pager 01426-235878, dysliexia rules k o Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun sparc station To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:40 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44966 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873187076:14:10869:44; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:57:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ba1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:56 BST From:("Howe , Chris") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:46:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084610.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 1 Sep 97 13:01:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c All, If the Printer is set up for A4 portrait but the master page (and associated master frame) is biz card size, then the Imposit applet CAN be used to print up to 2x4 cards on a page. Crop marks, if enabled, are seen on the Ovation main page view and on the printout. (I'b vuewing the grey page borders, because I have some notes to myself on a nonprinting frame now I've mastered the tricks). All the crop marks line up and I use a scalpel and sheet of ply to cut them at home, doing the outer edges last. I suggest beebug might publish a template, since the required print choices (which are fairly complex) can be saved with the doc so the whole think is very easy. My doc is only 16k but yields 8 cards! Chris Howe, Bath ---------- From: D.A.Symes[SMTP Sent: 01 September 1997 10:11 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Crop Marks Hi, I'm inserting this quote that I saved out from a past Ov Pro mailing. The question was: >Is it possible to put crop marks around frames as in Publisher Plus. >For example, When I have business cards several times up on an A4 sheet, >the printer requires crop marks to individually guillotine them after >printing. I know there are options for Border definitions in the file of >that name the problem is I am a Graphic Designer not a software engineer. The reply was: Impression of course has this very sly trick with using border to generate crop marks - invented by Tony Tolver. We seriously thought about doing this - but did not. The current version of OPro 2.45/2.46 which you should receive any day, has a new print format - 'thumbnails' this means you design just one business card on a page, and then use thubnails to print it, each individual print will have its own crop marks. My reply is: Cobblers! I've spent hours and hours, and god knows how many logs of wasted wood trying to do what's suggested above. So unless someone can explain this process in sufficient detail, so that I don't have to waste more paper, before I get to the card... And.... even though the Printers Marks are ticked on, they do not print on to the paper... I'm fed up... I'm off... back to Publisher... Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:44 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44967 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:42 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873187082:14:10866:46; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:58:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bc1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:57 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:48:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: transparent colours To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084810.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 97 12:58:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c >I would like transparent fonts too. I know that this depends on the RiscOs >font behaviour so Acorn has to work on this but this would be a major thing >for the DTP world to add! > >Suggest you have a blue font and put a yellow font on top of it and the >overlayed parts are automatically coloured green (as this happens when you >add blue and yellow). > >As OvnPro is becoming the major DTP app in the acorn market I think there's >enough power from the people behind this idea to get Acorn rework the font >system. This request, and the transparent tints someone else requested, show that OPro users are wanting true wysiwyg on screen and are printing to composite colour printers. This is partly a sign of the direction in which dtp is changing publishing, and partly an indicator that we each have our own definition of "professional". The blue+yellow=green works with pigments which reflect light, not dyes and inks which are transparent, nor cathode ray tubes which generate light. For inks the colour is generated by the light passing through to the white paper underneath and being reflected back through the ink. Yellow ink absorbs blue light, letting only the yellow get to the paper and only letting yellow back out to be seen. Print yellow over blue and the yellow ink passes yellow light (everything except blue!) to the blue ink which passes all the blue (but no yellow) to the paper which reflects the resulting nothing back through the same two layers so you see black. For the CRT using three guns (Red, Green, Blue) to make light yellow a mixture of red and green is needed, add blue to that combination and the result on screen is white. In the world of offset litho printing OPro will approximate the results wanted on the film separations so long as the colours are set to overprint, not knock out. For the type example above, use your blue and yellow type, set the colours to overprint and separate to spot colours - two films not three - print using normal transparent inks and abracadabra - green(ish) where the two overlap. Really the colour depends on the inks used and will be dark tending towards black as blue and yellow are complementary colours. Using process separations the blue will be a mix of cyan and magenta, add yellow over that to get - muddy black. And as David Pilling wrote, there is no difference in printing between white (no ink) and transparent (no ink) so all tints are transparent. BUT I think all dtp colour handling is derived from the Postscript language which was one of the ingredients of the start of dtp. Postscript doesn't know anything about transparency, and to postscript every tint of black is a solid grey even though it will be printed as dots of black with nothing between. I post all this detail (which is probably in the colour supplement manual but that is at home and I cannot check it now) because when we understand how the processes work we will have more understanding of why OPro works the way it does and what we are asking for in future revisions. Anthony To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 2 14:05:48 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA44968 for david ; Tue, 02 Sep 97 14:05:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873187149:10:28717:48; Tue, 02 Sep 97 08:59:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bf1026726; 2 Sep 97 8:58 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 08:49:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970902.084920.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 01:48:45 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Mike Hunter) >I also had the same printing problem with OvPro v2.46 and BJC600 Turbo. >I recently gave my machine a major rebuild and installed OvPro 2.46 and at >the same time moved over to using EasyFont Pro and I found reverting to EF2 >solved the problem. I have not had time to experiment to confirm the problem >was due to EasyFont. Presumeably holding fonts on a special filing system can lead to memory being used from inside a print job. It's all very difficult without knowing exactly the machine setup. From:(Mike Hunter) >OvPro sets up the variable to indicate the directory >for applets. Interesting point, in versions after 2.44, this can be a comma separated list of paths i.e. more than one directory - so you're not limited to 77 applets. >With various family members using the same version of OvPro I set up the >variable to point to different directories for each user. In this way we can >each have our own stationery, recently used documents, etc. in much the same >way as we have our own user dictionaries. >The Applet Manager ought to use the same variable. Yes it should. In your case, the first entry on the applet path could be common applets and the second, applets specific to the user. >Finally - a question - would it be possible to have different choices for >each user? >For example at present we have to compromise over the date format. There are probably many approaches to this. Choices are held in !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Choices - obviously you could have several Choices files and just rename the one you want into that directory before OPro is run. Another slightly riskier thing is that Choices is just a script file, it can be run at any time. So 'Bobs' applet folder could have his Choices file in it, and that would get run, after the main Choices, and probably overwrite its effect. Or you can invoke the Choices file in other ways e.g. from a button. From:(Peter Bell) >I have a need for this facility. Have not yet tried a workaround in >OP, but in Impression I have to set a new style (ruler) on the last line >of a paragraph, with a wider right margin. This, of course, only allows >the outdent on the last line - it would be useful if it could be achieved >on the first (or any other) line within the paragraph. Sort of akin to the 'first line indent' another marker 'outdent'. The question is what is the mechanism that lets you jump to it. A line which ends in tabs? One could probably just have a rule that tabs at the end of a line are not constrained by the right indent. It's probably bad practice to use tabs to get from one line to the next - but I suspect a common one. From:(Andrew Piper) >Stationery 1.04... OK, sounds like I've introduced a bug. I will investigate. >> Of course this is happening because the 'applet wizzard' has gone away >> (to where superheroes go (Milton Keynes)) and I've taken over 8-( >Erk! Is this permanent. Permanent. There is no escape... From:(D.A.Symes) >Cobblers! And you. >I've spent hours and hours, and god knows how many logs of wasted wood trying >to do what's suggested above. As they say, printing to ArcFax is a good way to preview things. Seriously though. How to print business cards with crop marks? Set up a page with the size of your business card. So we're talking about a page e.g. 1x2 inches big, rather than the usual A4 page. Design your card on it. Now use the Thumbnails print format, tick 'all same' and use the 'Custom' entry on the Thumbnail menu to set how many cards you want per printer page e.g. 4x3 and the gaps between them. Finally click on Print setup and select 'Printers marks'. A nice thing is to use an elliptical frame with a border for your cards. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:25:54 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45104 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:25:53 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449065:06:18554:43; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:44:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:44 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:43:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: OArtWorks and modules - correction To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084305.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:36:10 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I posted a message the other day about SpriteExtend and the OArtWorks applet. I got it wrong. The message at startup says I need ImageExtend 0.78. I assume this is part of ArtWorks, which I don't have. I've turned off the Applet, and there is now no problem. Alan Adams To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:25:56 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45105 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:25:55 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449106:06:18820:45; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:45:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:45 BST From:(Ian Hunter) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:43:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084329.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 09:35:37 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I haven't seen this mentioned so I have either missed it or I am the only one - hopefully the former. It seems that most of the 'Insert' menu has gone funny. Insert 'Page No" you get the date. Insert 'Active Date' you get the time Insert 'New Page' you get new line Insert 'Time and you get new page You get the picture. Am I alone ? and how do I get the commands to do what they say they are going to do. Thanks. -- Ian Hunter Rocque Balan, Vale, Guernsey, Channel Islands. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:25:59 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45106 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:25:58 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449151:12:18752:43; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:45:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:45 BST From:(Dave Floyd) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:39:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Page margins To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083923.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 19:51:26 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > I recently had occasion to try to create an A2 page in OPro and noticed that, > although the printer driver was set up to A2, the page still defaulted to A4 > in OPro. Further, there doesn't seem to be a way to get OPro to get its > definition of page size from the printer drivers. > Am I missing something, or is this a desirable new feature? I think you'll find that this is being caused by !Printers and has nothing to do with OP. What printer definition file are you using? If it is for an A4 printer, then !Printers will automatically default to an A4 printable area even if your page is larger. Unless someone knows different, of course. Dave -- Visit the Riot/Clone website: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4036 email: riotclone@argonet.co.uk or : DaveFloyd@arcade.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45107 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449181:06:19313:50; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:46:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:46 BST From:(Dave Floyd) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:39:46 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Page margins To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083946.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 19:51:26 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > I recently had occasion to try to create an A2 page in OPro and noticed that, > although the printer driver was set up to A2, the page still defaulted to A4 > in OPro. Further, there doesn't seem to be a way to get OPro to get its > definition of page size from the printer drivers. > Am I missing something, or is this a desirable new feature? I think you'll find that this is being caused by !Printers and has nothing to do with OP. What printer definition file are you using? If it is for an A4 printer, then !Printers will automatically default to an A4 printable area even if your page is larger. Unless someone knows different, of course. Dave -- Visit the Riot/Clone website: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/4036 email: riotclone@argonet.co.uk or : DaveFloyd@arcade.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:05 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45108 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449199:06:19453:44; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:46:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:46 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:41:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084152.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:35:37 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Still finding my way round OP (translation = still thinking in Impression terminology) I find the answer to the problem of fitting multiple copies of one small page on a larger piece of paper (eg 2xA5 on A4) in the 'Crop Marks' discussion where Ray points to [print],[format]-select[thumbnails]. I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in the manual :-) ) Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the latter, is the upgrade on the web? Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:08 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45109 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:06 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449270:06:19904:67; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:47:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bg0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:47 BST From:(Mr Tony Haines) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:38:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: A tipster writes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083832.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 21:57:40 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970805.084818.76@risc.demon.co.uk> David Pilling said: > OK - here's a tip. If you double click on a picture in a picture frame to > select it, then gadget which appears lets you scale the picture - all obvious > so far. But you can drag the handles through the centre of the picture - > giving it a negative scale - producing a mirror image of the picture. > A useful technique if you need two copies of an image facing one another. Here is something I discovered today: Create a new rectangular frame or select an old one. Menu: Object > Modify... or press F7 In the top right of the dialog box there is a writable icon called 'radius' Changing this to a positive value gives the rectangle rounded corners. Very nice. But you can give it a negative value, which makes them stick out instead. This doesn't redraw correctly, but it prints out ok, I've just checked. There seems to be a bug in this version of OP (2.46) - if you reopen the dialog box the value has become corrupted - you need to correct it if you want to make any other modifications. If this breaks something, don't hold me responsible, you didn't have to do it. (The manual does specify that the value must be positive.) -- Phoible n. A weakness for replacing the letter f with 'ph'. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45110 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449276:06:19904:132; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:47:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bi0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:47 BST From:(Liam Gretton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:38:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Sprite Extend To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083857.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 15:03:24 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 02 Sep, Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > I installed the Applets for OPro 1.46 at the weekend. On starting OPro I > got the message "SpriteExtend 0.99 needed" from the Artworks applet. > Fortunately I don't need the applet at the moment. Which applet? Anyway, check its !Run file. It should contain a line saying something like: RMEnsure SpriteExtend 0.99 Error SpriteExtend 0.99 needed If the first 'SpriteExtend' is misquoted, it will complain. > *help modules shows SpriteExtensions 1.10. I am on RiscOS 3.7 on StrongArm. > Is this the same module? Can the Applet be fixed to see the correct name? Where did you get 1.10 from? My RISC OS 3.70 has 1.04. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Leicester University phone +44 (0) 116 252 3501 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK fax +44 (0) 116 252 3311 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:13 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45111 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449313:06:20177:47; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:48:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bk0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:48 BST From:("Howe , Chris") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:40:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Biz Card Imposition Recipe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084036.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 2 Sep 97 09:35:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Here are instructions for making (imposing) Business cards. It works very nicely once you've set it up, the system then is ready to go! Whilst 2x4 is doable at home, I think 2x3 might be needed in a commercial print shop because the borders are better. File size = 14k only for one card! o o o Special techniques allow 6 or 8 (2x4) standard Business Cards to be printed onto an upright A4 sheet, economising on card & needing only one 'page' to be laid out by the designer. Ovation 'page size' is small, set to precisely the size of a business card, 90x55 mm using master page -> page guidelines. A large frame of 90x55 covers the entire page surface. The !Imposit applet is enabled (Imposition = arranging items on printed sheet), and following special print settings are remembered 'with' the document: Centre enabled. Full printer's crop marks enabled; these show on-screen. 'Thumbnails' (added to Print Dialogue by !Imposit) All Same enabled, Paper Area 2x4 enabled. Scale 100%. Because the 'pages' are small, 2 columns of 4 rows can be imposed as 'thumbnails' onto the relatively large A4 portrait sheet. View-> Options-> Pasteboard may be enabled to show a non-printing frame to contain these printer's notes. Chris Howe, Bath To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:16 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45112 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:14 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449329:06:20249:50; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:48:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bl0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:48 BST From:(Matthew Hambley) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:41:26 +0100 Organization: Arcade BBS - The London Acorn Archimedes BBS Subject: A thought on applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084126.32@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 02 Sep 1997 09:27:36 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > The applet manager expects the applets to be in directory > .Applets. > For most people this will be the same directory and cause no problem. > With various family members using the same version of OvPro I set up the > variable to point to different directories for each user. In this way we > can each have our own stationery, recently used documents, etc. in much > the same way as we have our own user dictionaries. Would be possible to re implement the $Dir as a $Path. In that way you could have a central directory for general purpose applets such as index generators and calculators. However you could also have seperate directories for personal applets such as stationary and recently used documents. (\/)atthew -- ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ | / \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \ | The Archimedes Bulletin Board in London | | A R C A D E | +44(0)181 654 2212 (4 lines) Croydon, UK| | Email & News @arcade.demon.co.uk | +44(0)181 655 4412 Fidonet#2:254/27.0 | To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:18 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45113 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:17 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449400:06:20743:48; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:50:00 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bp0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:49 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:43:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: Change Keypress Combinations To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084353.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:30:50 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi Ov Pro friends. I'm not particularly bothered about some of the key combinations used in Ov Pro. I'm glad though, they've kept to the standard uses for, Ctrl-C, X and V. One key combination does cause me real trouble, and I'd like to change it if that's at all possible. I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) Okay so I'd better have Ctrl-Shift-S as spell check. Can anyone explain how this can be achieved, the manual says it can be done, (16.3 and 16.5) but really doesn't say anthing that actually works. Thanks Dave -- ________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:21 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45114 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449403:12:19689:44; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:50:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bn0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:49 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:42:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Contents Applet Part 2 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084240.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:58:40 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, Having had a break and returning to the problem with a fresher brain, I find that the Contents Applet will not create a contents for a document set out in pamphlet form. A few of my original experiments were done with a straight A4 document, but most of them were done on this pamphlet doc I'm trying to create a contents for. (Did the index ages ago) When I Saved the file out as DDL and transferred it to a straight A4 master page, the Contents will construct with no real problems. That doesn't mean to say I'm much wiser about Jamie's instructions than I was before. Dave -- ________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45115 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449474:12:19973:43; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:51:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bv0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:50 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:37:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083717.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 00:06:01 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 02 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > > Yes they do. I promise. Try this. > > Click Menu... New and make a page 30mm high and 70mm wide. Make all > borders 5mm. > > Type some text into the frame. > > Press Print. Click on the Format menu and select Thumbnails ... All the > same. Ummm..... Well i got version 2.46 but when i got this far No "Thumbnails" option ?? where do i get it, how come its not there ?? One other little problem... Despite recieving the Colour Supplement disc with my Upgrade Pack, and installing everything, I have no "!ColSupp" or anything like it, where did you guys all get it from ?? > > Click Print Setup. > > Click on the Printers marks button. > > Click on Print and off you go - a page with 18 business cards with > printers and crop marks. (If you have ArcFax, print to ArcFax to save > wasting paper). > > Ray D > > -- > > .===================================. > | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 > | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk > '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > > -- Shalom Ve Chesed ... Peace & Loving Kindness Ren H Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:28 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45116 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449478:05:24294:44; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:51:18 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bx0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:50 BST From:(Alan Esplen) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:38:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083806.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 13:06:26 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 02 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > D.A.Symes wrote: > > Cobblers! > > > I've spent hours and hours, and god knows how many logs of wasted > > wood trying to do what's suggested above. So unless someone can explain > > this process in sufficient detail, so that I don't have to waste more > > paper, before I get to the card... And.... even though the Printers > > Marks are ticked on, they do not print on to the paper... I'm fed up... > > I'm off... back to Publisher... > > > Dave > > Yes they do. I promise. Try this. > > Click Menu... New and make a page 30mm high and 70mm wide. Make all > borders 5mm. > > Type some text into the frame. > > Press Print. Click on the Format menu and select Thumbnails ... All the > same. > > Click Print Setup. > > Click on the Printers marks button. > > Click on Print and off you go - a page with 18 business cards with > printers and crop marks. (If you have ArcFax, print to ArcFax to save > wasting paper). > > Ray D > > I have been following the recent postings about crop marks with interest as I was the person who originally raised the issue. Yes thumbnails enable you to produce several cards on the same sheet. Unfortunately it still does not address the problem, I do not want the cards or whatever to all be the same or even the same size. I do not think this is unreasonable as it makes economic sense to put several small jobs on one piece of film. Can we please have crop marks round frames! I have, as been suggested by Kieth Parker, drawn my own but this is just a stop gap. email: a.esplen@btinternet.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45117 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:29 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449542:06:21574:44; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:52:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bz0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:51 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:41:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: EFP and Ov Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084101.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 Sep 97 19:02:34 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > John Percy Kerslake, kerslake@SEES.bangor.ac.uk Wrote: > I have also failed to get EF Pro work. It keeps refusing to load fonts. > I put down, at first, to having a A3010 4 meg ram, 320 meg HD. > Has any one else managed to make EFP work propaly?. If not can we get > together when emailing fabris about a fix/ refund.? Hi, depends which version you are using, the early versions of EFP had a few problems, the version 4.12b I'm using is very, very stable. I believe the latest fix version is 4.12c on the Fabis Web site, which you can upgrade your version, if you are a registered user. www.fabis@demon.co.uk will take you to the index page. I used to have a few fonts that would load with EF versions pre Pro, but were refused by EFP. Fabis explained to me, that some converted fonts don't have the same internal header name as the Font directory name. One font I remember EFP wouldn't touch, even though it'd loaded and worked with previous versions, was call "BlackLet" But inside The Font directory,(IntMetrics), it looked like this: Blackletter[0d][0d][0d] etc... The names didn't match. When the internal name was changed to match the font directory name, EFP accepted it. Sorry to shout here, but... BEWARE MAKING ARBITRARY CHANGES TO FONT FILES, you could end up in trouble if you don't know what you are doing... :-( Fabis do sell a small application that will modify Font file names. Cheers Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:34 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45118 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449610:06:22005:43; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:53:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cd0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:52 BST From:(Keith Hopper) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:44:18 +0100 Organization: City Desk Subject: Font Support To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084418.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 09:42:45 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Greetings, Over the past two or three weeks I have seen several comments about the Acorn font system needing to do 'this' or 'that'. I understand that a new font manager is likely to appear with the much vaunted Galileo system. My main concern in regard to fonts, however, has nothing to do with the font imaging (glyph rendering) available. Two questions - thus - 1. Will support be avaiable for full UCS4 encodings -- including combining characters (as in ISO/IEC 10646-1 + AMD1, etc)? 2. Will Ovation Pro handle full 32-bit character encodings? Having thrust these questions to your attention you may well ask "How important is this?" The answer is a two part one :-- a. In order to support the Java interpreter which specifies that UCS2 encoding should be used ------ VERY IMPORTANT! b. In order to future-proof any change the mechanism will also need to handle codes which extend beyond the sixteen-bit currently approved as standard. Working Groups currently have drafts for several code areas using 17 and 18 bits. A couple of years will see them approved. If Ovation Pro is ready to handle multiple byte codes and multiply encoded characters I am happy. All we have to do then is beat Acorn over the head about their new Font Manager. kh PS The full gamut of character encodings ranges from 7-bit (ISO-646) to up to six 32-bit encodings for one glyph! To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45119 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449612:05:24833:50; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:53:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cb0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:51 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:42:15 +0100 Organization: Subject: Contents Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084215.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:12:36 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi all, I've managed to work the Index Applet without an undue amount of trouble. But... :-) Has anyone managed to work the Contents Applet...? I've just spent fours hours trying to get it to work. The results have been. Machine freeze... Requiring Alt+Break to kill Ov Pro. 5 times. Produces a sort of content, but a mess, with bits missing (I understand why it does this). 8 times. Goes through the motions, but ends up producing nothing. Lost count of the number. Yes, I've read the instructions. But as neither I nor a selection of other people I've dragged into this little game, can really understand what Jamie is telling us to do..... :-( Yes I've looked at the example he supplies with the applet, but trying to reproduce this in another document generally ends in failure. I have on two occasions produced contents in a document, but then suddenly it won't do it anymore. As, after four hours I'm fed up.... Can anyone help, please. If you can, you could always email your clean, polite suggestions to me. Thanks Dave df.symes@argonet.co.uk -- ________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45120 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449613:12:20392:44; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:53:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id cj0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:53 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:40:10 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.084010.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 17:19:13 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) >I installed the Applets for OPro 1.46 at the weekend. On starting OPro I got >the message "SpriteExtend 0.99 needed" from the Artworks applet. Fortunately I >don't need the applet at the moment. >*help modules shows SpriteExtensions 1.10. I am on RiscOS 3.7 on StrongArm. >Is this the same module? Can the Applet be fixed to see the correct name? Err. SpriteExtend and SpriteExtensions are one and the same. I'm a bit baffled as to why the AW applet would demand SpriteExtend, sure there's lots of CC modules it will ask for e.g. ImageExtend, but SpriteExtend is an Acorn one built into RISC OS. I think SpriteExtend 0.99 was the version Acorn issued to allow the use of JPEG's on RISC OS 3.50. I'd be inclined to open up the AW applet and double click the !Install file and see what happens. Getting the latest AW modules is always a bit of a problem if you're not a CC user. I guess the solution is a combination of the AWViewer that comes on the SA CD ROM and visiting CC's web pages. From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) >I recently had occasion to try to create an A2 page in OPro and noticed that, >although the printer driver was set up to A2, the page still defaulted to A4 >in OPro. Further, there doesn't seem to be a way to get OPro to get its >definition of page size from the printer drivers. >Am I missing something, or is this a desirable new feature? OPro takes the new document either from an internal fixed definition which is A4 or from the 'default' document (if you've used File=>Save as default) which can be anything you like. I'm not so sure about going off the printer paper size. I'm biased, I'd assume 99% of documents are A4, and anything else you'd think hard about. You might also want to use an A4 page and print it as A3 using scaling, so there's not necessarily a connection. From:(Xavier deMonneron) > >Another member of ARMada wrote a patch, but it must be tuned for every > >Ovation release. > So much for the copy protection. 8-) >There wasn't any copy. I bought Ovation and he wrote it for me. What's the >problem ? It sounded like you had a tweek which patched the main programs !RunImage. To do that you've got to be able to get around or through the copy protection. Something which I'd like to be able to do. I wasn't for one momement aledging any wrong doing. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 5 14:26:43 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45121 for david ; Fri, 05 Sep 97 14:26:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873449613:12:20380:51; Fri, 05 Sep 97 09:53:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ch0522037; 5 Sep 97 9:52 BST From:(Peter Bell) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 08:37:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Right hand outdents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970905.083741.45@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 11:18:53 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 02 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > From:(Peter Bell) > > >I have a need for this facility. Have not yet tried a workaround in > >OP, but in Impression I have to set a new style (ruler) on the last line > >of a paragraph, with a wider right margin. This, of course, only allows > >the outdent on the last line - it would be useful if it could be achieved > >on the first (or any other) line within the paragraph. > > Sort of akin to the 'first line indent' another marker 'outdent'. The > question is what is the mechanism that lets you jump to it. A line which > ends in tabs? One could probably just have a rule that tabs at the end of > a line are not constrained by the right indent. This would be a workable arrangement, especially where the outdented text is at the end of para. I guess that it would be relatively easy to implement, and would make some layouts considerably easier. Obviously, on any line other than the last in para, anything which results in re-justification would cause a problem with the layout. The ultimate would be some way of embedding a string within the body text (as for an embedded graphic?), but marked for placement at the outdent tab. If this embedding could be placed at any point in the body text, then the outdent string would always be tied to the appropriate piece of text. - Probably not easily achievable, so don't waste time on it - the 'Tab' method would be fine for the majority of cases. > It's probably bad practice > to use tabs to get from one line to the next - but I suspect a common one. Eek. I still battle with my colleague to get him to use tabs instead of spaces to layout columns - don't give him any more bad ideas! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Bell - peter@foursqre.demon.co.uk - FourSquare Computing Ltd 5 Drome Path, Winnersh, Wokingham, Berkshire RG41 5HB, UK. Tel. +44 (0) 118 989 0982 Fax. +44 (0) 118 979 4639 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:51:49 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45182 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:51:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708286:14:01756:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:44:46 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:44 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:01:13 +0100 Organization: Subject: AWQuality default value To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090113.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:34:29 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi OP-list, Is it possible to have the AWQ-applet default to 11 (i.e. antialiased) instead of 10 ("normal")? -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:51:54 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45185 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:51:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708332:09:19619:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:45:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:45 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:02:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Biz Card Imposition To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090201.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 20:58:23 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi all Ov Pro friends. Thanks to all for the input regarding business card imposition. All sorted thanks. cheers Dave -- ________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:51:57 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45187 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:51:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708389:09:19970:44; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:46:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:46 BST From:(David Bone) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 08:59:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.085940.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 11:09:58 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, Ian Hunter wrote: > It seems that most of the 'Insert' menu has gone funny. > Insert 'Page No" you get the date. > Insert 'Active Date' you get the time > Insert 'New Page' you get new line > Insert 'Time and you get new page Yup, had exactly the same problem. I discovered that it was due to the installation of the FontCat applet by David Williams. This adds a Font Catalogue option to the top of the Insert Menu and makes all other options act incorrectly. It should all return to normal if you remove this applet. If you haven't got this applet installed you've got a rather more serious problem :-) Cheers, David. -- Mondo Akimbo Agogo "Stupid people make deadly enemies. Unless you remove some of your brain cells, how can you possibly argue on their level?" Ginger, the Wildhearts. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:01 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45189 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:51:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708432:10:27746:44; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:47:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ar1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:46 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:00:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: !EndNotes 2.60 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090028.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:12:21 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've just uploaded version 2.60 of !EndNotes into my website. This has improved handling of block deletes. Previous versions just trapped and prevented deletions of blocks of text which contained note anchors, whereas the new version allows such deleted by deleting the notes first. I've also fixed the bug which prevented you from deleting graphic frames. I haven't had a chance to put it to test on a substantial document, though, so the old version is still there too. There's also a new version of !THe, which now has an exception list so you can avoid forcing abbreviations like TPhS to become TphS, and a new applet !Expand which does character expansions. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45191 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708482:14:02478:44; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:48:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id at1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:47 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:00:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090051.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 22:37:12 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > Still finding my way round OP (translation = still thinking in Impression > terminology) I find the answer to the problem of fitting multiple copies > of one small page on a larger piece of paper (eg 2xA5 on A4) in the 'Crop > Marks' discussion where Ray points to [print],[format]-select[thumbnails]. > I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in > the manual :-) ) > > Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the > latter, is the upgrade on the web? I must also whine about this, No Thumbnails option on my OP either, Where do i get it, and asap, i relly need to print some cards ;-) -- Peace & Love to You and Yours... Ren Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:14 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45193 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:12 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708523:10:28282:49; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:48:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:48 BST From:(Chris Ford) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:01:38 +0100 Organization: Subject: Spelling checker word underlining To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090138.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:04:22 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Sorry if this question has appeared before, but I've only just subscribed... In Ovation Pro 2.46, if I set View->Spelling errors, to underline misspelled words (a very useful feature), I find that often every word becomes underlined, eg when I reload a document, or make some change to settings. This often corrects itself after a little typing, without redrawing the text so it appears wrong until redrawing occurs. Is there any fix for this, or likelihood of it? Thanks, Chris Ford. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:21 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45194 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:18 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708555:14:02877:44; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:49:15 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ax1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:49 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:02:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Biz Card Imposition Recipe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090224.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 23:00:55 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, Howe , Chris wrote: > Here are instructions for making (imposing) Business cards. > It works very nicely once you've set it up, the system then > is ready to go! > > The !Imposit applet is enabled (Imposition = arranging items on printed > sheet), > and following special print settings are remembered 'with' the document: Ah! so thats the answer ;-) from whence cometh the !Imposit appelet ? please send directions asap......... -- Mazel Tov ... Ren Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:28 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45195 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708611:10:28830:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:50:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id az1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:49 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:02:47 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090247.39@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:37:50 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Rene Turner wrote: > Ummm..... Well i got version 2.46 but when i got this far No > "Thumbnails" option ?? where do i get it, how come its not there ?? You havent installed the applet called !Imposit into your Applets directory. Either that or you haven't clicked on it to turn it on. (it shouldn't have a - at the end of the applet name) > One other little problem... Despite recieving the Colour > Supplement disc with my Upgrade Pack, and installing everything, I > have no "!ColSupp" or anything like it, where did you guys all get it > from ?? See above, but applet is called !ColSupp Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:35 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45196 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:33 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708641:10:28958:44; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:50:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bb1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:50 BST From:(Willie Stott) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:03:12 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Change Keypress Combinations To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090312.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 12:32:42 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970905.084353.46@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > One key combination does cause me real trouble, and I'd like to change it > if that's at all possible. > > I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) > > Okay so I'd better have Ctrl-Shift-S as spell check. > > Can anyone explain how this can be achieved, the manual says it can be > done, (16.3 and 16.5) but really doesn't say anthing that actually works. Misc -> Macros NEW for Ctrl S {swapcase} NEW for Ctrl Shift S {checkstory(0)} You can check what any macro is for any key in !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Macros. Load it into a test editor and search for the present key. eg Ctrl Shift S is CS_S Willie -- W. Stott --------- wstott@argonet.co.uk ------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:37 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45197 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708713:10:29374:48; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:51:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bd1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:51 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:04:47 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: OArtWorks and modules - correction To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090447.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:26:41 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > I posted a message the other day about SpriteExtend and the > OArtWorks applet. > I got it wrong. > The message at startup says I need ImageExtend 0.78. I assume this > is part of ArtWorks, which I don't have. I've turned off the Applet, > and there is now no problem. > Alan Adams I've just looked at my copy of ImageExtend and it's 0.81 (09 Feb 1993). So your one is very old!. As a thought, it might be part of the free LaserDirect upgrade on the CC web site. I know it was two modules, one being the CC version of SpriteExtend. It might be worth trying. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:40 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45198 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:39 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708741:09:22157:46; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:52:21 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bf1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:52 BST From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:06:50 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Change Keypress Combinations To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090650.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Sep 97 21:56:23 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 5 Sep 97 (08:43:53 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >One key combination does cause me real trouble, and I'd like to change >it if that's at all possible. > >I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) > The *easy* way is to define a key macro for Ctrl S as {CS_S} So now you want to change Ctrl-Shift-S already... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:42 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45199 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:41 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708790:09:22408:46; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:53:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bh1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:52 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:07:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Change Keypress Combinations To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090714.54@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 23:13:52 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c D.A.Symes wrote: > One key combination does cause me real trouble, and I'd like to change it > if that's at all possible. > I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) > Okay so I'd better have Ctrl-Shift-S as spell check. Yes, it's one of the first alterations I made. Make two Key macros: Ctrl S {'CS_S} (the ' is important) Ctrl Shift S {checkstory(0)} Look in !Menus and search for "spell_entry". Change the C_S on that line to CS_S. This will reverse the function of the two macros and also correct the menu entry for Check story. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:45 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45200 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708876:14:04082:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:54:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bo1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:53 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:04:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090401.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 13:03:30 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, Alan Esplen wrote: > > > I have been following the recent postings about crop marks with interest as > I was the person who originally raised the issue. Yes thumbnails enable you > to produce several cards on the same sheet. Unfortunately it still does not > address the problem, I do not want the cards or whatever to all be the same > or even the same size. I do not think this is unreasonable as it makes > economic sense to put several small jobs on one piece of film. Ok, this may not do all you want, but... If you make your doc page size 90x55 (or whatever) and draw up a different card on each page of the document, won't OP lay them all up on an A4 (or whatever) sized sheet with crop marks around each 'page' (ie card)? We have a printer here who only uses crop marks on the outsides of a group of cards (ie he butts all the cards together to save guillotine ops). A bit shonky, I know (prohibits bleeds for a start), and I can't help but think the technique may have evolved from Tony T's solution with Impression. This is in no way a suggestion, just an observation ;-) tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:48 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45201 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:46 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708882:09:22854:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:54:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bq1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:54 BST From:(Martin Vethake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:04:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Sprite Extend To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090424.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 05 Sep 1997 07:15:52 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In your earlier message you wrote: >I installed the Applets for OPro 1.46 at the weekend. On starting OPro I got >the message "SpriteExtend 0.99 needed" from the Artworks applet. Fortunately I >don't need the applet at the moment. > >*help modules shows SpriteExtensions 1.10. I am on RiscOS 3.7 on StrongArm. >Is this the same module? Can the Applet be fixed to see the correct name? [snip] !OArtWrks does not seem to need SpriteExtend on my machine but what it needs with Ovation Pro 2.46 is GDraw vsn. 2.94, which is not normally found on a RiscPC. Version 2.88 is found in Diversions.ArtWorks.!AWViewer... but 2.94 or above will only be found if You have ArtWorks itself. It is of no help "fixing" the !Install file, the Applet will not work if forced to accept an older version of GDraw. Have fun (ArtWorks that is ;) Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:51 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45202 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708937:09:23250:46; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:55:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bs1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:55 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:05:11 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090511.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 19:50:59 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Esplen wrote: > > > I have been following the recent postings about crop marks with > interest as I was the person who originally raised the issue. Yes > thumbnails enable you to produce several cards on the same > sheet. Unfortunately it still does not address the problem, I do not > want the cards or whatever to all be the same or even the same size. I > do not think this is unreasonable as it makes economic sense to put > several small jobs on one piece of film. > Can we please have crop marks round frames! All you need to do is create your different sized cards as different chapters in the same document. Then print as I outlined in a previous message, but after selecting Thumbnails instead of clicking on 'All the same', just click on the relevant 'Print area' option. Turn Printers marks on. You will then have a sheet with different sized cards, all with their own crop marks. It works, I tried it. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:53 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45203 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:52 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873708952:14:04391:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:55:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bu1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:55 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:06:02 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Insert problem To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090602.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 12:20:04 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, Ian Hunter wrote: > I haven't seen this mentioned so I have either missed it or I am the only > one - hopefully the former. > > It seems that most of the 'Insert' menu has gone funny. > Insert 'Page No" you get the date. > Insert 'Active Date' you get the time > Insert 'New Page' you get new line > Insert 'Time and you get new page > Happened to me when I had one of the other applets installed all the time - um, Bookmarks?, EndNotes? Can't remember. It translated the entries by 1. So to select a 'Hard hyphen' you'd have to click on 'Hard space', or vice versa. The solution of course is not to have the culprit running as one of the defaults. In fact, now that the number of applets is getting up, it makes sense to reduce the default list anyway, and just run the others when you need them. Avoids the menu list being 3 screens long! There is !Applets ... Cheers:tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:56 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45204 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873709017:14:04637:47; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:56:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bw1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:56 BST From: waddell@which.net Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:07:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Change Keypress Combinations To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090740.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 23:32:03 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, D.A.Symes wrote: > > Hi Ov Pro friends. > > I'm not particularly bothered about some of the key combinations used in > Ov Pro. > I'm glad though, they've kept to the standard uses for, Ctrl-C, X and V. > > One key combination does cause me real trouble, and I'd like to change it > if that's at all possible. > > I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) > > Okay so I'd better have Ctrl-Shift-S as spell check. > > Can anyone explain how this can be achieved, the manual says it can be > done, (16.3 and 16.5) but really doesn't say anthing that actually works. > > Thanks > > Dave > If you familiarie yourself with the macros you should readily pick up what you need to do. I have changed a number of macros back to the older Ovation equivalents, sacrificing some of the newer ones that I will never wish to use. No doubt, others with greater expertise than mine will come to your aid with greater detail. If not, have a go and if you get stuck, come back to me. It is actually quite straightforward so you should succeed. > -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire waddell@which.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:52:59 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45205 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:52:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873709070:10:01424:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:57:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ca1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:57 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:05:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Page margins To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090536.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 12:41:50 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 05 Sep, Dave Floyd wrote: > Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > > I recently had occasion to try to create an A2 page in OPro and noticed > > that, although the printer driver was set up to A2, the page still > > defaulted to A4 in OPro. Further, there doesn't seem to be a way to get > > OPro to get its definition of page size from the printer drivers. I do this all the time, making a page in the usual way, and never a problem. But then I'm printing out through an A2 printer (BJ330). > > > I think you'll find that this is being caused by !Printers and has nothing > to do with OP. What printer definition file are you using? If it is for an > A4 printer, then !Printers will automatically default to an A4 printable > area even if your page is larger. This raises an issue we've being trying to get comfirmation (and a fix) on for a while now. Do printers have page limits built in (in firmware), and if so what's required to override them? People with Novajet printers can't get them to print anything longer than about 2.5m. Yeh, well that's Novajets, I thought. 'Till I wanted to print a page 840x420 (A1 length, A2 width) and the print stopped at exactly 594mm, and asked for another sheet of paper. In an A3 printer (BJC4100 ? I think) the print stopped at 420mm, and asked for the 2nd sheet, and my A4 printer coughed at 297mm. These don't look like arbitrary numbers to me! Configuring all sorts of weird page sizes below these numbers and things work exactly as they should. To get 'round it, I would have thought that all the printer driver (via the application?) would have to do is to send a new page signal, but not a crank forward (sheet feed) signal - so that pg 2 starts to print immediately. Yes?, but what happens to the bottom/top print margins? Banner printing applications manage, so it can't be too hard. Where does the fix get written - in OP?, in the printer driver? Anyone? thanks:tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:53:02 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45206 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:53:00 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873709127:10:01747:43; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:58:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id cc1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:58 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:06:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Index and Contents applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090626.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 19:42:36 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ovation Pro. Hi, Ov Pro friends, Had a couple of problems with Applets recently, found out what/why. So I'm posting in case others might have encountered the same problems. Index Applet. I've been using the Index applet recently, and came upon a problem. I've sorted out a work round to it, but thought you might be interested in the actual prob'. I've found that the Index applet which works quite well, has one particular problem, in that when it creates its own chapter at the end of the document, it takes the last chapter in the Master page as its template for the creation. If that last chapter has a footer, Index tries to cram all the indexing information into the footer and it gets lost. So its important that you have, or create a new blank chapter at the end of the document Master page after last chapter; Remove the footer if it's copied from a previous chapter. Do the Index business as detailed in Peter's help file. You should then find you have the end of the document proper, a blank chapter, followed by the index. Click in the blank chapter... Then... ->Page->Delete chapter. You should now be left with the document followed by the index. Set style and format as required. =============================== Contents Applet. Had a serious lot of trouble with this one, until a chance experiment showed where the problem was. I discovered the Contents Applet will only create a Contents successfully in straight pages. In other words it will not do it with a document of facing pages. Once that was discovered it worked okay... Not much help if the doc is in facing pages though, but then.... can't have everything I suppose. Cheers Dave -- ________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 00:53:06 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45207 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 00:53:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873709179:10:02023:48; Mon, 08 Sep 97 09:59:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id cf1026544; 8 Sep 97 9:59 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:03:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970908.090336.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 97 15:38:36 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) >I posted a message the other day about SpriteExtend and the OArtWorks applet. >The message at startup says I need ImageExtend 0.78. I assume this is part of >ArtWorks, which I don't have. I've turned off the Applet, and there is now no Or put the AW Viewer which comes with RISC OS 3.50 and later somewhere visible. From:(Ian Hunter) >It seems that most of the 'Insert' menu has gone funny. >Insert 'Page No" you get the date. >Am I alone ? and how do I get the commands to do what they say they are >going to do. Hmm. It's OK on my copy. What you get is controlled by the menu definition which is in !OvnPro.Library.!MenuLib - insert_entry(). From:(Simon Jones) >terminology) I find the answer to the problem of fitting multiple copies >of one small page on a larger piece of paper (eg 2xA5 on A4) in the 'Crop >I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in >the manual :-) ) >Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the Thumbnails is an add on print format. The !Imposit applet must be active for you to see it. I believe it is documented in the release notes. From:(Mr Tony Haines) > -ve radius on frame dboxes. This is a trick you see in the books on Quark. It's a nice enough effect, although maybe instead of sticking out the corners should go in. >There seems to be a bug in this version of OP (2.46) - if you reopen >the dialog box the value has become corrupted - you need to correct it I ought to fix that. From:(Matthew Hambley) >Would be possible to re implement the Applet$Dir as a Applet$Path. 2.45 and later do use OvationProApplets$Path - see !OvnPro.!Run. However a path with many entries is no use for saving things to - many applets save configuration info inside their directories. So applets have to remember the $Dir location in their start up routine. The $Dir variable is adjusted during applet loading to point to the current applet. From:(D.A.Symes) >I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) >Okay so I'd better have Ctrl-Shift-S as spell check. Define two key macros; One for Ctrl S with the defn {'CS_S} One for Ctrl+Shift S with the defn {'C_S} From:(Rene Turner) >Ummm..... Well i got version 2.46 but when i got this far No "Thumbnails" >option ?? where do i get it, how come its not there ?? See the reply to Simon Jones above. > One other little problem... Despite recieving the Colour Supplement disc > with my Upgrade Pack, and installing everything, I have no "!ColSupp" > or anything like it, where did you guys all get it from ?? The !ColSupp applet should be on your Colour Supplement disc, copy it into !OvnPro.Applets. From:(Alan Esplen) > address the problem, I do not want the cards or whatever to all be the same > or even the same size. I do not think this is unreasonable as it makes economic > sense to put several small jobs on one piece of film. > Can we please have crop marks round frames! OK, OK, you've got the winning point... From:(Keith Hopper) >I understand that a new font manager is likely to appear with the much >vaunted Galileo system. >If Ovation Pro is ready to handle multiple byte codes and multiply encoded >characters I am happy. All we have to do then is beat Acorn over the head >about their new Font Manager. I'll tackle that bridge, if and when we get to it, and I hope we do get there. This is all exciting stuff, but until there's a spec. from Acorn and some indication that it's actually going to appear on desktop machines as opposed to toasters and mobile phones. I have my own wish list for a new font manager. In fact you'd hope that Acorn would consult on what everyone wants in a new font manager, since we've all got about 10 years experience of whats wrong with the old one. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45263 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790639:06:27101:43; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:37:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:36 BST From:(Julian Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:28:41 +0100 Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.082841.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:18:19 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Rene Turner writes: > On Fri 05 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > > I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in > > the manual :-) ) > > > > Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the > > latter, is the upgrade on the web? > > I must also whine about this, No Thumbnails option on my OP either, > Where do i get it, and asap, i relly need to print some cards ;-) Perhaps you haven't installed the !Imposit applet? This is what supplies the Thumbnails print format (as well as the Booklet and Tile formats). Julian -- The more you run over a dead lawyer, the flatter it gets. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:33 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45264 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790703:05:07147:43; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:38:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:37 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:29:30 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.082930.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:37:09 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R David Pilling wrote: > From:(Ian Hunter) > >It seems that most of the 'Insert' menu has gone funny. > >Insert 'Page No" you get the date. > >Am I alone ? and how do I get the commands to do what they say they are > >going to do. > Hmm. It's OK on my copy. What you get is controlled by the menu > definition which is in !OvnPro.Library.!MenuLib - insert_entry(). My copy of 2.46 has a funny insert menu as well - exactly as Ian described. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45265 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:34 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790704:05:07158:43; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:38:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:37 BST From:(Chris Ford) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:30:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Change Keypress Combinations To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.083018.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 10:51:35 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 5 Sep 97 (08:43:53 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >One key combination does cause me real trouble, and I'd like to change >it if that's at all possible. > >I want Ctrl-S to swap case. (Not Ctrl-Shift-S) > Put the following into a file (eg "MyKeys") in !OvnPro.AutoRun /// My preferred keys void main(void) { defmacro(1,"C_S","{'CS_S}",""); defmacro(1,"CS_S","{'C_S}",""); } Set its filetype to OvPScrpt (b24). Double-click on it to try it, or restart O-Pro. It swaps around Ctrl-S and Ctrl-Shift-S. See the ImpKeys macro (in Extras) for examples of other key changes. Chris Ford. -- Dr C.J.B. Ford, cjbf@cam.ac.uk, tel. +44 1223 337486, fax +44 1223 337271 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45266 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790709:05:07192:43; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:38:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:38 BST From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:28:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.082816.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:29:46 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Ray Dawson wrote: > All you need to do is create your different sized cards as different > chapters in the same document. Then print as I outlined in a previous > message, but after selecting Thumbnails instead of clicking on 'All the > same', just click on the relevant 'Print area' option. Turn Printers > marks on. This I *have* to try! It makes perfect sense that the thumbnails option should work like this. After all that's what thumbnails are supposed to do! But the idea of it working with printer's marks *as well* just didn't occur to me. Somehow, I just can't bring myself to believe that it'll get it right. I must have been using Impression too long ;-) ttfn, Nick -- nick kaijaks >> proprietor >> pinxit design >> putting the solution together the budget sensitive graphic design consultancy for internet and print media http://www.warwick.ac.uk/Nick.Kaijaks/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:41 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45267 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790741:06:27676:47; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:39:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:38 BST From:(Peter Bond) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:30:41 +0100 Organization: home Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.083041.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 12:06:59 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970908.090051.40@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Fri 05 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > Still finding my way round OP (translation = still thinking in Impression > > terminology) I find the answer to the problem of fitting multiple copies > > of one small page on a larger piece of paper (eg 2xA5 on A4) in the 'Crop > > Marks' discussion where Ray points to [print],[format]- select[thumbnails]. > > I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in > > the manual :-) ) > > > > Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the > > latter, is the upgrade on the web? > > I must also whine about this, No Thumbnails option on my OP either, > Where do i get it, and asap, i relly need to print some cards ;-) I assume this really means 2.46? Thumbnails lives in the Print window: click on the menu icon to the right of the icon that usually reads 'Normal' Also, note that Thumbnails is part of the Imposit applet which you don't actually see. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire .. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45268 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790743:06:27685:45; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:39:03 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:39 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:31:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.083106.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:09:15 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi Ray thank you for your Response, One little Problem I have neither Applet on my system, nor on my Discs, so my question is where can i obtain them..?? On Mon 08 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > Rene Turner wrote: > > > Ummm..... Well i got version 2.46 but when i got this far No > > "Thumbnails" option ?? where do i get it, how come its not there ?? > > You havent installed the applet called !Imposit into your Applets > directory. Either that or you haven't clicked on it to turn it on. (it > shouldn't have a - at the end of the applet name) > > > One other little problem... Despite recieving the Colour > > Supplement disc with my Upgrade Pack, and installing everything, I > > have no "!ColSupp" or anything like it, where did you guys all get it > > from ?? > > See above, but applet is called !ColSupp -- Shalom Ve Chesed ... Peace & Loving Kindness Ren H Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45269 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790773:12:26097:44; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:39:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:39 BST From:(Philip Ingram) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:29:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Use of tables (was Right hand outdents) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.082906.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:15:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In article <19970901.100856.12@risc.demon.co.uk>, Peter Bell writes >On Wed 27 Aug, David Pilling wrote: >> From:("St Anne's at T-MAIL") >> >> >> >We need to set a *tab* to the right of the right indent on a line. >> >OV-Pro allows this but wraps anything beyond the indent marker onto >> >the next line. We need to use the feature when setting out >> >examination papers (the right end tab sets the position of the marks >> >awarded for each question) and when typing minutes of meetings (to >> >align 'for attention by' at the end of the appropriate lines). >> >> I don't think you can do this as things stand. The right indent is the end >> of the line, nothing goes past it. Maybe an interesting special case to add >> one day - but only if there's a lot of support for it. >> One solution may be to have a new style "long line" which has a bigger >> right indent, and apply it over the lines which you want to extend to the >> right. > >I have a need for this facility. Have not yet tried a workaround in >OP, but in Impression I have to set a new style (ruler) on the last line >of a paragraph, with a wider right margin. This, of course, only allows >the outdent on the last line - it would be useful if it could be achieved >on the first (or any other) line within the paragraph. > >I wouldn't mind the outdent being in a separate frame/column if the >vertical position of the outdented text could be aligned to a particular >mark within the body text. > You may be able to achieve what you want by treating the text as a table and using Tablemate to manage it. That way, the minute number, the minute text and the "for action by" will keep in step. Using the "Vertical tab" feature of Tablemate, you can set the "for action by" items to be bottom justified whilst the minute number is top justified. For these purposes, you would probably set the line thickness to "none". I have also found tables to be useful for creating concert programmes as you want to keep the title of the piece and the composer together even when either the title or the composer (e.g. Rimsky-Korsakov) spread across two lines. Hope this helps, Philip -- Philip Ingram prpi@tasc.demon.co.uk or pingram@bigfoot.com To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 9 13:59:53 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45270 for david ; Tue, 09 Sep 97 13:59:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873790789:05:07583:44; Tue, 09 Sep 97 08:39:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az0712243; 9 Sep 97 8:39 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 08:29:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970909.082953.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 01:45:13 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") >Is it possible to have the AWQ-applet default to 11 (i.e. antialiased) >instead of 10 ("normal")? Yes, copy this line awsetwysiwyg(110); Into the main() function in !Quality.Library, e.g. to just before the last } in the file. From:(Chris Ford) >Sorry if this question has appeared before, but I've only just subscribed... See the archives of the mail list available from the www.beebug.com web pages. >In Ovation Pro 2.46, if I set View->Spelling errors, to underline misspelled >words (a very useful feature), I find that often every word becomes >underlined, eg when I reload a document, or make some change to settings. >Is there any fix for this, or likelihood of it? It is a bug, for now if you make sure all documents have a dictionary loaded for them it will go away - once the bug has happend a counter is upset and the problem will repeat until the next time you load OPro. I have fixed the bug. From:(Martin Vethake) > !OArtWrks does not seem to need SpriteExtend on my machine but what it needs >with Ovation Pro 2.46 is GDraw vsn. 2.94, which is not normally found on a > It is of no help "fixing" the !Install file, the Applet will not work >if forced to accept an older version of GDraw. That takes us back to a grand old problem, Ovation being blown out of the air when printing - which is caused by the old GDraws on RISC PC's and is why we force the newer one to be loaded. From:(Tim King) >This raises an issue we've being trying to get comfirmation (and a fix) on >for a while now. Do printers have page limits built in (in firmware), and if There's a tale that the RISC OS printer driver system has a limit built in. This is not so surprising, as you get to large dimensions all sorts of things will break. For something like OPro there is always a get out which is printing with a large scale - that way A4 can theoretically appear bill board sized. Anything which drives the printer direct can get around printer driver problems. Someone mentioned here, a while back that the Xemplar web pages have new driver definition files for the big Canon BJC's 4550, 5550. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:48:53 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45334 for david ; Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:48:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873877295:09:08634:43; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:41:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae0908272; 10 Sep 97 8:41 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:29:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970910.082914.94@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:57:06 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I also had no thumbnails, and no imposition, and lots of extras missing after I installed the OPro 1.46 upgrade. Eventually I went back and re-read the installation instructions very carefully. Installing OPro 1.46 creates an Applets directory, with very little in it. The next step is to go to the colour supplement disk, and drag the !ColSupp applet into the Applets directory. All this I did. The step I missed, was that there is also an Applets directory (At least I think it's a separate directory) on the ColSupp disk. You also need to drag the contents of this into Applets, then restart OPro. Alan Adams To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:49:00 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45336 for david ; Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:48:56 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873877332:14:18994:43; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:42:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag0908272; 10 Sep 97 8:42 BST From:(Martin Vethake) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:30:45 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: AWQuality default value To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970910.083045.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 09 Sep 1997 07:19:10 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In your earlier message you wrote: > >Hi OP-list, > >Is it possible to have the AWQ-applet default to 11 (i.e. antialiased) >instead of 10 ("normal")? I have added the following macros for this purpose to my default macro list: defmacro2(4,"awPLAIN","{awsetwysiwyg(100);viewrepaint(0,0)}","",""); defmacro2(4,"awMAX","{awsetwysiwyg(110);viewrepaint(0,0)}","",""); You will then have two buttons "awPLAIN" and "awMAX" to switch between anti-aliasing and no anti-aliasing. More rendering levels can easily be added by varying the awsetwysiwyg(VALUE). Regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:49:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45338 for david ; Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:49:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873877405:10:18492:46; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:43:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al0908272; 10 Sep 97 8:43 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:28:50 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970910.082850.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 00:12:14 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 09 Sep, Julian Wright wrote: > Rene Turner writes: > > > On Fri 05 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > > > > I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in > > > the manual :-) ) > > > > > > Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the > > > latter, is the upgrade on the web? > > > > I must also whine about this, No Thumbnails option on my OP either, > > Where do i get it, and asap, i relly need to print some cards ;-) > > Perhaps you haven't installed the !Imposit applet? This is what supplies > the Thumbnails print format (as well as the Booklet and Tile formats). > Absolutley Correct Julian, I hav not Installed the "!Imposit" applet, the Reason Being that i neither Recieved it on my upgrade Discs nor have I been able to Find it on any Web site... !!! So Please Help.... where do i locate this applet, and for that matter where do i Find "!ColSupp" certainly not on the Colour Supplement disc that i recieved !!!!!!!!! -- Shalom Ve Chesed ... Peace & Loving Kindness Ren H Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:49:21 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45340 for david ; Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:49:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873877442:14:19364:77; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:44:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an0908272; 10 Sep 97 8:43 BST From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:29:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Large pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970910.082937.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:03:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c My request about large pages and printer drivers seems to have unearthed a different problem. However, the original question was a little different. In most of the WP/DTP packages I have seen, the default page size is taken from the current definition held by the printer driver. Thus, by selecting A1, for example, your new document comes up with A1 master pages. OPro doesn't do this. I can think of lots of reasons why this doesn't want to be the default behaviour, but I would like to be able to CHOOSE this behaviour. In other words, if I want to produce an A1 document I don't want to have to open the EDIT PAPER option in the printer driver to find out exactly what the printable dimensions of A1 are, and then type them in to the master page, I want OPro to ask the printer driver for the dimensions. (I usually want to use the whole printable area - my printer leaves big enough margins without OPro adding to them.) So the same question - Can OPro do this, and if so where have I missed reading about it? If not, should it be added? -- Alan Adams To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:49:31 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45342 for david ; Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:49:27 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873877507:09:09857:50; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:45:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap0908272; 10 Sep 97 8:44 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:30:22 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Crop Marks To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970910.083022.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 14:39:18 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Nick Kaijaks) >On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Ray Dawson wrote: >> All you need to do is create your different sized cards as different >> chapters in the same document. Then print as I outlined in a previous >> message, but after selecting Thumbnails instead of clicking on 'All the >> same', just click on the relevant 'Print area' option. Turn Printers >> marks on. >This I *have* to try! It makes perfect sense that the thumbnails option >should work like this. After all that's what thumbnails are supposed to do! >But the idea of it working with printer's marks *as well* just didn't occur >to me. This is a good idea - I can't help but feel that the snag is that your output will be arranged in an array the size of the largest 'page'. If you were saving film you'd probably want to squeeze things together as closley as possible. Now someone (not me!) could write a new imposition format which prints stuff as closely as possible. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 10 13:49:39 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45344 for david ; Wed, 10 Sep 97 13:49:37 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873877557:09:10198:43; Wed, 10 Sep 97 08:45:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as0908272; 10 Sep 97 8:45 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:30:00 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970910.083000.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 01:25:58 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 09 Sep, Julian Wright wrote: > Rene Turner writes: > > > On Fri 05 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > > > > I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with 1.45/1.46 (it's not in > > > the manual :-) ) > > > > > > Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the > > > latter, is the upgrade on the web? > > > > I must also whine about this, No Thumbnails option on my OP either, > > Where do i get it, and asap, i relly need to print some cards ;-) > > Perhaps you haven't installed the !Imposit applet? This is what supplies > the Thumbnails print format (as well as the Booklet and Tile formats). > > Julian Ha ha ha!!! I just discovered why I have not got Either "!Imposit" or "!ColSupp" applets, and goodness knows what else is missing.... My copies of "Program Disc 2" and "Colour Supplement" are Identical except fo the Lable! Both identify themselves as "OvnPro_2.$" and contain the same directories............ Wonder how long it will take Beebug to respond... Wrote to them on 7th to ask where i find the applets, and 9th to inform them of this discovery............... Waiting..... Waiting....... Wonder also how many others may have the same problem !!!!!! -- Shalom Ve Chesed ... Peace & Loving Kindness Ren H Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:14:35 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45440 for david ; Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:14:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873996157:06:06626:43; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:42:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0503463; 11 Sep 97 17:42 BST From:(Mike Hunter) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:37:13 +0100 Organization: Subject: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970911.173713.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:53:46 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I want to use BubbleHelp to indicate the meanings of the buttons on the button bar. When OVPro starts up this works with no problems. However once I start editing a document the help turns itself off so that when I return to the button bar no help appears until I press F1. Am I missing something here? I would have thought that the help should appear for the buttons without further presses of F1. After all the advantage of the buttons is to get quickly to a function which is deep in the menus and having to continually turn it on seems to be wrong. I have not yet got used to identifying all the buttons so need the help to remind me. I have disabled help for unhelpful windows, etc. and this seems to operate correctly. Is there something I have overlooked? Michael To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:14:38 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45442 for david ; Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:14:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873996223:06:07046:43; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:43:43 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0503463; 11 Sep 97 17:43 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:38:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970911.173801.40@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:28:53 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Julian Wright wrote: > Rene Turner writes: > > On Fri 05 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > > > > I have read elsewhere that thumbnails arrived with > > > 1.45/1.46 (it's not in the manual :-) ) > > > > > > Have I got a disfunctional 1.45, or did it arrive with 1.46? If the > > > latter, is the upgrade on the web? > > > > I must also whine about this, No Thumbnails option on my OP either, > > Where do i get it, and asap, i relly need to print some cards ;-) > Perhaps you haven't installed the !Imposit applet? This is what supplies > the Thumbnails print format (as well as the Booklet and Tile formats). > Julian Ah.... [fx:slinks into dark corner!] Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:14:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45444 for david ; Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:14:41 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873996298:12:00007:43; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:44:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah0503463; 11 Sep 97 17:44 BST From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:38:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Type 5 crashes To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970911.173823.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 15:28:59 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R I thought these "Ovation has sufered a Type 5 error and must exit immediately" had largely disappeared:-) But:-( I had forgotten that an almost guaranteed way to provoke an unrecoverable crash is to delete a block after dragging *upwards* in the middle of text, over a line feed. So saying, I now cannot reproduce this. Any comments anyone? I only lost a page, but it was a brilliant complaint letter! -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:14:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45445 for david ; Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:14:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873996544:05:05844:43; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:49:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1200610; 11 Sep 97 17:48 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:37:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970911.173737.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:16:54 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 09 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > From:(Tim King) > > >This raises an issue we've being trying to get comfirmation (and a fix) on > >for a while now. Do printers have page limits built in (in firmware), and if > > There's a tale that the RISC OS printer driver system has a limit built in. > This is not so surprising, as you get to large dimensions all sorts of > things will break. For something like OPro there is always a get out which > is printing with a large scale - that way A4 can theoretically appear bill > board sized. Nope. Just tried it and as from AW etc, the paper is coughed out at those magic numbers. It looks right on the screen (when it shows you what will print), but the printer still manages to find a sheet feed from somewhere. Any more ideas? Please? Someone? tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:14:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45446 for david ; Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:14:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873996616:06:09541:47; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:50:16 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag1200610; 11 Sep 97 17:49 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:38:46 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Large pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970911.173846.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:22:22 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Adams +44 1327 356463 wrote: > In other words, if I want to produce an A1 document I don't want to > have to open the EDIT PAPER option in the printer driver to find out > exactly what the printable dimensions of A1 are, and then type them in > to the master page, I want OPro to ask the printer driver for the > dimensions. (I usually want to use the whole printable area - my > printer leaves big enough margins without OPro adding to them.) I think the idea is that you make up default stylesheets with different sizes and either store them in a directory somewhere, or in !Statnry. So, when you want an A1 sized document, call up the stylesheet you have named "A1" or whatever. I use this system for all my customized stationery/document layouts. At a pinch, you could select New..Custom and type in dimensions every time you want a different sized page, but this is laborious. BTW, if you look in the View menu, OP can show the printer borders if selected. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 11 21:14:49 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45447 for david ; Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:14:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 873996635:12:01534:43; Thu, 11 Sep 97 17:50:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai1200610; 11 Sep 97 17:50 BST From:(Nico ter Haar) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:39:11 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: AWQuality default value To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970911.173911.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:03:58 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Wed 10 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > In your earlier message you wrote: > > > >Hi OP-list, > > > >Is it possible to have the AWQ-applet default to 11 (i.e. antialiased) > >instead of 10 ("normal")? > I have added the following macros for this purpose to my default > macro list: > defmacro2(4,"awPLAIN","{awsetwysiwyg(100);viewrepaint(0,0)}","",""); > defmacro2(4,"awMAX","{awsetwysiwyg(110);viewrepaint(0,0)}","",""); > You will then have two buttons "awPLAIN" and "awMAX" to switch between > anti-aliasing and no anti-aliasing. More rendering levels can easily > be added by varying the awsetwysiwyg(VALUE). > Slightly related, Is it quicker to use artworks or sprites when printing? -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl Creator of FoonGrep1 and InetCost Pulstar Pages WWW site --for now at-- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:53:56 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45642 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:53:55 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874394757:09:16865:43; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:25:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:25 BST From:(Mr Willington) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:18:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081816.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 11:47:01 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have scanned my 2.46 update discs and my !OvnPro file but I cannot find !Imposit anywhere. Was it left off some update discs or is it just buried too deep for me to find it? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:53:58 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45643 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:53:57 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874394849:14:11825:43; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:27:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:26 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:18:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: FontCat, Insert Menu problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081839.86@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 97 14:42:27 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On the subject of the insert menu going wrong, when the FontCat applet is installed. This is because this applet puts its entry at the start of the insert menu. It's a trivial change to replace the use of the function for inserting menu entries with the one for adding them. The FontCat entry then appears at the end of the insert menu, and everything is OK. I've taken the liberty of fixing !FontCat, and I'll post the new version back to the Beebug web pages. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:00 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45644 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:53:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874394930:09:17613:43; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:28:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id an1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:27 BST From:(tony van der Hoff) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:19:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: DDF Specification To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081903.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:09:00 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Is it possible to obtain the spec. for DDF as implemented by OPro? If so, How, Where? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:03 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45645 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:02 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874394944:09:17710:43; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:29:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ap1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:28 BST From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:19:28 +0100 Organization: Subject: Thesaurus To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081928.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:35:46 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi all, I want to have the Thesaurus running with Ov Pro, but I don't want its Icon on the icon bar. Can it be done? If so how, please! Cheers Dave -- ________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:05 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45646 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395057:10:02719:44; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:30:57 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ax1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:30 BST From:(Peter Blenkinsop) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:15:13 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081513.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:10:00 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R On Wed 10 Sep, Rene Turner wrote: > My copies of "Program Disc 2" and "Colour Supplement" are Identical > except fo the Lable! Both identify themselves as "OvnPro_2.$" > and contain the same directories............ > > Wonder how long it will take Beebug to respond... Wrote to them on > 7th to ask where i find the applets, and 9th to inform them of this > discovery............... > > Waiting..... Waiting....... Funny. I had some dosc problems. My disc 2 was the same as disc 1. They took return-of-post time to provide the correct disc. I was impressed (or should that be ovated??) -- Peter Blenkinsop Powered by an Acorn Risc PC, driven by ... World shattering problem No 55: Why do so many pigeons only have one leg???? To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:07 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45647 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:06 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395066:10:02798:45; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:31:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id az1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:31 BST From:(Alan Partridge) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:16:00 +0100 Organization: Subject: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081600.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 15:53:52 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, Apologies if this has been covered. I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL K, I get the message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The command works OK when used from the Edit menu. Occasionally the same message appears when F8 is used to undo. I have had the !Bookmark applet installed, but removed it. Ovation v2.46; StrongArm, RiscOS 3.70. Any suggestions? Has the !Bookmark applet left something behind? Cheers. -- Alan Partridge, Physics Dept, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45648 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395121:14:12593:45; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:32:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bd1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:31 BST From:(John Ferguson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:17:08 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081708.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:01:53 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970911.173713.48@risc.demon.co.uk> michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk (Mike Hunter) wrote: > > I want to use BubbleHelp to indicate the meanings of the buttons on the > button bar. > > When OVPro starts up this works with no problems. > > However once I start editing a document the help turns itself off so that > when I return to the button bar no help appears until I press F1. > > Am I missing something here? [snip] You need to deselect 'Print/edit keys turn off help' from BubbleHelp's bubble style and control choices. John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:12 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45649 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395125:09:18518:50; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:32:05 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bb1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:31 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:16:23 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081623.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:38:55 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970911.173713.48@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > I want to use BubbleHelp to indicate the meanings of the buttons on the > button bar. So would I. > When OVPro starts up this works with no problems. It never works for me. All I get is soemthing like, 'This is the Ovation Pro Button Bar', giving absolutley no help as to what the individual buttons are for. > > I have disabled help for unhelpful windows, etc. and this seems to operate > correctly. I could not find this documented, but I presumme it must be there. > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > -- Alan Muscat **************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:14 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45650 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395144:09:18633:46; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:32:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bi1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:32 BST From:(Ovation Pro Mailing List) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:15:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Stylesheets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081539.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:31:19 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I make considerable use of a document in a two column format. Recently I decided to save this format as a Stylesheet. When I load this Stylesheet and start to enter the text it start to display, as one would expect, at the top of the first column. Problems start to arise, however, when the second line is generated. Newly input text now starts to display itself at the bottom of the left-hand column. When the second line is complete it moves half way up the page while the third line continues at the bottom of the page. Completion of the third line gives a page with three completed lines arranged equidistant from each other while the fourth line remains at the bottom of the page. Entry continues in this fashion until the left hand column has a full complement of lines whereupon the same thing happens in the right hand column. I have returned to my original documents and have not been able to repeat this behaviour within these documents. Stylesheets saved from a number of documents in this format all exhibit the same behaviour. I appear to be experiencing a form of vertical justification but can find no reference to such a feature in the manual. I have no recollection of implementing it, either. Any suggestions? -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:16 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45651 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395159:09:18709:47; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:32:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bk1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:32 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:17:31 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: AWQuality default value To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081731.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:47:18 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 11 Sep, Nico ter Haar wrote: > In on Wed 10 Sep, Martin Vethake wrote: > > In your earlier message you wrote: > > > > > >Hi OP-list, > > > > > >Is it possible to have the AWQ-applet default to 11 (i.e. antialiased) > > >instead of 10 ("normal")? > > I have added the following macros for this purpose to my default > > macro list: > > defmacro2(4,"awPLAIN","{awsetwysiwyg(100);viewrepaint(0,0)}","",""); > > defmacro2(4,"awMAX","{awsetwysiwyg(110);viewrepaint(0,0)}","",""); > > You will then have two buttons "awPLAIN" and "awMAX" to switch between > > anti-aliasing and no anti-aliasing. More rendering levels can easily > > be added by varying the awsetwysiwyg(VALUE). > > > Slightly related, > Is it quicker to use artworks or sprites when printing? It depends on the complexity of the AW drawing, and the resolution/ colour-depth of the sprite. But generally speaking, sprites for printing *should* be a bit hi-res (200dpi+) and so end up bigger than most AW-files. -- Best Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:19 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45652 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395188:14:12789:44; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:33:08 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bm1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:32 BST From:(Mike Hunter) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:17:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: Spell Checking and DDL To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081753.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:23:39 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I noticed recently that the help file in !Stationary Applet suggests storing documents in DDL format as this avoid the danger of overwriting the original when prompted to save. Sounds like a good idea! However, I find that when one of these documents is selected only the HyphDict is loaded and not the MainDict or UserDict and that it does not start with 'check as you type' selected. I normally work with this option selected - I find that increased errors indicate I am trying to type too fast and should slow down! Everything is OK if spell checking is selected but I do not feel this should be necessary. Not a major problem but a niggling one! By the way my default document has these options selected. Michael -- Michael Hunter, michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan Audio Engineering Lecturer, BBC Centre for Broadcast Skills Training To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:21 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45653 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:20 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395208:09:18922:44; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:33:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id bp1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:33 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:16:46 +0100 Organization: Subject: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081646.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 21:42:14 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Mike Hunter) >However once I start editing a document the help turns itself off so that >when I return to the button bar no help appears until I press F1. Hmm. I've just tried this and it seems to work correctly - not as you describe. I'd be inclined to study the Bubble Help 2 icon bar icon which should show if it is active or not. F1 toggles that state. Maybe you can spot the event which toggles BH2 off? From:( Dr A G Gray) >I thought these "Ovation has sufered a Type 5 error and must exit immediately" >had largely disappeared:-) Sorry about that. If anyone knows of repeatable ways of provoking crashes, I'd be very interested to hear. >I had forgotten that an almost guaranteed way to provoke an unrecoverable crash >is to delete a block after dragging *upwards* in the middle of text, over a >line feed. Doesn't work for me. Must be more subtle than how you describe it. From:(Nico ter Haar) >Slightly related, >Is it quicker to use artworks or sprites when printing? Almost certainly depends on the complexity of the thing you are rendering. I suspect that for very simple images AW will be quicker. Anyway AW files are resolution independent - you won't see pixels so if one really had a choice AW format is better. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 16 13:54:23 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45654 for david ; Tue, 16 Sep 97 13:54:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874395289:09:19271:49; Tue, 16 Sep 97 08:34:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id av1411074; 16 Sep 97 8:30 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:14:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970916.081451.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:41:58 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Tim King wrote: > Nope. Just tried it and as from AW etc, the paper is coughed out at > those magic numbers. It looks right on the screen (when it shows you > what will print), but the printer still manages to find a sheet feed > from somewhere. > Any more ideas? Please? Someone? I seem to remember - (looks) - yes, I had to make the page length 296 mm instead of 297 for my Canon scanner. I suppose your paper isn't actually a fraction short and triggering the form feed? If so, try reducing the paper size in the PDF by 1mm and seeing what happens. It may not be ideal, but may show the way forward. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:02:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45766 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:02:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481771:06:08113:44; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:36:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:35 BST From:(Julian Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:31:46 +0100 Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Subject: Re: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083146.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:14:02 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Muscat writes: > It never works for me. All I get is soemthing > like, 'This is the Ovation Pro Button Bar', giving > absolutley no help as to what the individual buttons > are for. Have you told Ovation Pro to load its interactive help file? Check that the Iconbar->Choices...->General->Load Interactive Help option is set. Julian. -- This product has been cruelly tested on cute little furry animals. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:03:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45774 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:03:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481833:05:17239:43; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:37:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:36 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:29:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Stylesheets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.082929.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:49:23 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ovation Pro Mailing List wrote: > I appear to be experiencing a form of vertical justification but > can find no reference to such a feature in the manual. I have no > recollection of implementing it, either. Vertical justification is there, but is normally turned off by default. It's in menu option Object..Modify.. Align, which is normally set to Top. Make sure it's turned off. I have had a few documents that have done funny things with text position wise in multi columns, but saving out as a DDL file and then dropping that back in has normally cured it. I haven't had the problem since the upgrade to 2.46. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:03:49 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45775 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:03:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481855:06:08533:44; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:37:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:37 BST From:(John Ferguson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:30:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083014.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:36:39 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970916.081623.78@risc.demon.co.uk> alan@gvine.demon.co.uk (Alan Muscat) wrote: > In message <19970911.173713.48@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > I want to use BubbleHelp to indicate the meanings of the buttons on the > > button bar. > > So would I. > > > When OVPro starts up this works with no problems. > > It never works for me. All I get is soemthing > like, 'This is the Ovation Pro Button Bar', giving > absolutley no help as to what the individual buttons > are for. [snip] Have you selected 'Load interactive help' in Ovation Pro's general choices dialog box? John -- John Ferguson Taunton, Somerset, England mailto:john@fergusn.demon.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:03:56 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45776 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:03:52 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481900:06:08736:43; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:38:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:37 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:30:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083036.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:03:08 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Mr Willington wrote: > I have scanned my 2.46 update discs and my !OvnPro file but I > cannot find !Imposit anywhere. Was it left off some update discs or > is it just buried too deep for me to find it? It's on the Colour Supplement disc in the archive named Extensions. (there should be three disc, two Program discs and the Colour Supplement) Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:04:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45777 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:03:59 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481917:06:08849:46; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:38:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:38 BST From:(Julian Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:31:23 +0100 Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Subject: Re: Stylesheets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083123.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:05:55 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ovation Pro Mailing List writes: > I appear to be experiencing a form of vertical justification but can find > no reference to such a feature in the manual. I have no recollection of > implementing it, either. There *is* such a feature, and it sounds like it has become enabled somehow. It is an attribute of a frame, so it isn't available as a style. If you select a frame and then choose Object->Modify... (or hit F7), one of the options in the dialogue box is "Align". If you choose "Justify" in this option you get the effect you describe. Of course if this is happening in the default master frame you will need edit it on the master page, before resaving your stylesheet. Hope this helps. Julian. -- Does fuzzy logic tickle? To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:04:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45778 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:04:05 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481964:12:25072:44; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:39:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:39 BST From:(Andy's Progs) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:32:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083236.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 22:36:49 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 16 Sep 97 (08:16:00 +0100), perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk wrote: >Hi, > >Apologies if this has been covered. > >I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL K, I get >the message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The command >works OK when used from the Edit menu. Occasionally the same message >appears when F8 is used to undo. > >I have had the !Bookmark applet installed, but removed it. > >Ovation v2.46; StrongArm, RiscOS 3.70. > >Any suggestions? Has the !Bookmark applet left something behind? > I am having similar problems with Ctrl X, Ctrl V, and Ctrl C, but not all the time... More often than not though. I don't know if I've ever installed the !Bookmark Applet. I tested a few out when I got 2.46, and it may have been one of them. I don't remember this "... uninitialised..." error occuring prior to 2.46, either. -- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:04:28 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45779 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:04:25 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481965:05:17731:43; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:39:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:38 BST From:(Henry Morgan) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:32:12 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: DDF Specification To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083212.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:43:47 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Tue 16 Sep, tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Is it possible to obtain the spec. for DDF as implemented by OPro? > > If so, How, Where? The DDF specification (file format that loads text stories into Impression and Ovation Pro) can be got from HENSA (or the mirror at ftp.demon.co.uk/pub I think it is then in the directory mirrors/hensa/micros/arch/riscos/ The file number is b151 - so it is then in the directory b/b151 Hope that this helps, -- Henry Morgan, Carlton Software mailto:henry@carltsw.demon.co.uk Felmersham Road, Carlton, Bedford MK43 7NA http://www.carltsw.demon.co.uk/ E&OE - Information given in good faith - Views stated are mine and mine only To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:04:43 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45780 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:04:39 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874481984:12:25140:43; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:39:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:39 BST From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:33:02 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: FontCat, Insert Menu problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083302.96@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:22:59 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 16 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > On the subject of the insert menu going wrong, when the FontCat > applet is installed. > > This is because this applet puts its entry at the start of the insert menu. > It's a trivial change to replace the use of the function for inserting menu > entries with the one for adding them. The FontCat entry then appears at the > end of the insert menu, and everything is OK. > > I've taken the liberty of fixing !FontCat, and I'll post the new > version back to the Beebug web pages. Talking of which, would it be possible to show the date the applets were put on the site as well as the version number? It would make it easier to see if you had the latst version. Colin Thompson Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:05:27 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45783 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:05:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874482029:12:25322:50; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:40:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bc1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:40 BST From:(Julian Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:33:26 +0100 Organization: USS Enterprise, NCC 1701a Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083326.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:13:09 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Partridge writes: > I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL K, I get the > message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The command works OK when > used from the Edit menu. Occasionally the same message appears when F8 is > used to undo. I have occasionally met that. I believe it was either being caused by, or triggered by, the !THe applet. I found that removing that applet eliminated the problem. I don't tend to have trouble with overcapitalisation anyway. :) > I have had the !Bookmark applet installed, but removed it. [...] > Any suggestions? Has the !Bookmark applet left something behind? Bookmarks are an internal facility available to all applets - the !Bookmark applet simply allows you to access and monitor them, and use them at their most basic level. Other applets which have to move around your text to perform their duties use bookmarks as waypoints. Julian -- I tried an internal modem, but it hurt when I walked... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:05:32 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45784 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:05:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874482047:12:25395:43; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:40:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bf1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:40 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:29:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.082952.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:50:08 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 16 Sep, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > On Wed 10 Sep, Rene Turner wrote: > > > > Wonder how long it will take Beebug to respond... Wrote to them on > > 7th to ask where i find the applets, and 9th to inform them of this > > discovery............... > > > > Waiting..... Waiting....... > > Funny. I had some dosc problems. My disc 2 was the same as disc 1. > > They took return-of-post time to provide the correct disc. I was > impressed (or should that be ovated??) Ha ha! very good Peter, you did really well and so did Beebug in responding with disc in the mail, I get the Impression that you should have been Ovated. I was certainly Ovated when the day after writing my comments above to the list i recieved a nice E-mail from Ian MacDougall of Beebug. He said he saw my message on the List and offered to either send me a new Colour Supplement disc or E-mail me the disc contents.. Being so far away i immidiatly replied saying E-mail it Please........ Well here we are 6 days later, ovation waning Un-Impressed and still waiting ........ Wondering actually, "Do they respond to E-mail sent to sales@beebug.co.uk or support@beebug.co.uk" or do they wait for it to become a public issue? Oh well patience is a virtue... Pity i am not virtuous...... No Ian, this was not meant to upset you... but please E-mail it now ;-) -- Peace & Love to You and Yours... Ren Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ It's hard to make a program foolproof because fools are so ingenious. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 17 14:06:07 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45786 for david ; Wed, 17 Sep 97 14:05:51 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874482097:12:25587:45; Wed, 17 Sep 97 08:41:37 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bi1502589; 17 Sep 97 8:41 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:30:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970917.083059.02@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 97 14:58:16 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Mr Willington) >I have scanned my 2.46 update discs and my !OvnPro file but I cannot find >!Imposit anywhere. Was it left off some update discs or is it just buried too >deep for me to find it? I would assume along with all the other applets in an Extras directory. I believe there are a few rogue copies of OPro with wrongly duplicated discs - although as far as I know, that does not mean the odd missing files, rather the whole disc is wrong. From:(tony van der Hoff) Subject: DDF Specification >Is it possible to obtain the spec. for DDF as implemented by OPro? Well DDF is the Impression document description language, there is an Impression document kicking around which describes it. I got my copy off Arcade BBS, you might also try HENSA. On the other hand, if you mean DDL which is OPro's equivalent, then there is no documentation (yet). However it should be 'obvious' after looking at a few examples... From:(Alan Partridge) >I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL K, I get the >message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The command works OK when >used from the Edit menu. Occasionally the same message appears when F8 is >used to undo. >I have had the !Bookmark applet installed, but removed it. >Any suggestions? Has the !Bookmark applet left something behind? Presumeably the first thing is to find out what the key press is trying to do. Open the macros window and see if there is a key macro defined for Ctrl K. Also have a look down the applets menu to see if any new applets are using Ctrl K. From:(Alan Muscat) >It never works for me. All I get is soemthing >like, 'This is the Ovation Pro Button Bar', giving >absolutley no help as to what the individual buttons >are for. In OPro 2.45/2.46 buttons *do* give help. The help strings for buttons are stored in the macros file. I suppose if you've replaced that, or heavily hacked it about, the help text may no longer be there. From:(Ovation Pro Mailing List) >I appear to be experiencing a form of vertical justification but can find >no reference to such a feature in the manual. I have no recollection of >implementing it, either. Sounds exactly like vertical justification, known within OPro as 'Align', see the modify text frame dialogue box - draw a text frame, press F7, right hand side... From:(Mike Hunter) >However, I find that when one of these DDL documents is selected only the >HyphDict is loaded and not the MainDict or UserDict and that it does not >start with 'check as you type' selected. >By the way my default document has these options selected. Yes DDL files do not save things like view choices, and when a DDL file is loaded the default document settings are not inherited. I think thats probably wrong, and I'll attempt to fix it. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:02:51 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45884 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:02:49 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571761:12:17816:43; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:36:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:35 BST From:("Howe , Chris") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:20:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: Kerning? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092051.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 17 Sep 97 12:25:00 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c All, does somebody know how to find out if a font has pair-kerning present? I imagine the 'high quality fonts' with Ovation, such as the EFF fonts one might use for body copy, have this. Conversely the EFF PD CD Rom might contain big deco fonts for artistic use, but lacking the kerning. Can one sort of load a file into Edit or somehow peek inside to find out? I suppose making the screen big & turning kerning on & off the Style might (less directly) confirm things. Chris Howe, Bath To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:02:59 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45888 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:02:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571809:05:05479:43; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:36:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:36 BST From:(Roger Mayne) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:21:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Transparent default frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092134.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:52:38 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi all, It has just occured to me that life would be so much easier if my default frames were always transparent. It is only the occasional frame that needs to be opaque. I would be most grateful if anyone could tell me how to do this. Many thanks Roger Mayne -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@mail.zynet.co.uk Darprint, Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 227574 Fax: 01322 291237 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:07 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45892 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:04 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571833:06:02083:44; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:37:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:37 BST From:(Mr Willington) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:22:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092236.65@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 18:41:16 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Thanks for the help in finding !Imposit. I did have it of course - I just missed the keyword "archive" so when I ran SparkPlug, up it popped. Wake up you at the back! -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:11 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45894 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571873:05:05904:45; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:37:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:37 BST From:(Mr Willington) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:22:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: Save ingored words To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092255.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 21:08:32 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In Choices-Text, why will "Save ignored words" not stay ticked? Sorry if this has been dealt with before. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:20 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45898 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:18 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571903:06:02494:44; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:38:23 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:38 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:23:37 +0100 Organization: Subject: Default frame colour To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092337.78@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:19:58 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Having checked the indices and various sectors of the manual, I'll throw this question to list: Is it possible to set all new frames to be transparent by default rather than white? If so, how? Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:22 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45899 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:21 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571944:05:06368:43; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:39:04 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id an0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:38 BST From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:23:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thesaurus To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092358.13@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 11:15:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 16 Sep 97 (08:19:28 +0100), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >I want to have the Thesaurus running with Ov Pro, but I don't want its >Icon on the icon bar. The *cheat* way is to make a 1 x 1 pixel sprite (transparent) to replace the !thesaurus sprite... -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:29 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45902 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874571989:06:03095:47; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:39:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ap0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:39 BST From:(Mr Willington) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:24:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re Help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092440.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 21:04:36 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I find that even with "Load interactive help" ticked in Choices-General, I still have to run !Help from Apps. Could this be the reason some people cannot get Help in OP? -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:34 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45904 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:33 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874572017:05:06928:43; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:40:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ar0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:40 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:23:17 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092317.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:40:54 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970917.083146.76@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Alan Muscat writes: > > > It never works for me. All I get is soemthing > > like, 'This is the Ovation Pro Button Bar', giving > > absolutley no help as to what the individual buttons > > are for. > > Have you told Ovation Pro to load its interactive help file? Check that the > Iconbar->Choices...->General->Load Interactive Help option is set. Thank you. I had tried this before, without luck, but this time it work. Oh Well. -- Alan Muscat **************** Grapevine Digital Arts *********************** To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45906 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874572071:06:03765:43; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:41:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id at0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:40 BST From:(Mike Hunter) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:21:12 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Bubble Help - doesn't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092112.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:46:33 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk (Mike Hunter) wrote: > > I want to use BubbleHelp to indicate the meanings of the buttons on the > button bar. > >[snip] > >John Ferguson replied > >You need to deselect 'Print/edit keys turn off help' from BubbleHelp's >bubble style and control choices. > Thanks to all those who offered suggestions. I must be going mad - I saw the 'Print/edit keys turn off help' box and left it selected!! To summarise what now works for me: I run Bubble Help but do NOT select 'load interactive help' in OvationPro Choices. This just gives help on buttons in OvationPro. (This is mentioned somewhere in the documentation) You have to configure BubbleHelp to disable help for other applications and also turn off unhelpful help messages. Once you are happy with the configuration Bubblehelp can be configured not to appear on Icon Bar. Michael -- Michael Hunter michael.hunter@bbc.co.uk Acorn Computer and OvationPro Fan Audio Engineering Lecturer, Centre for Broadcast Skills Training To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:45 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45908 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:43 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874572108:12:19149:56; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:41:48 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id av0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:41 BST From:(Alan Partridge) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:21:54 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092154.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:29:08 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, In on Wed 17 Sep, Julian Wright wrote: > Alan Partridge writes: > > > I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL K, I get > > the message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The command works > > OK when used from the Edit menu. Occasionally the same message appears > > when F8 is used to undo. > > I have occasionally met that. I believe it was either being caused by, or > triggered by, the !THe applet. I found that removing that applet eliminated > the problem. I don't tend to have trouble with overcapitalisation anyway. Yes, that's the problem. (Are you listening RJE?) Removing the !THe applet cures it. Thanks. Now all I have to do is let go of the shift key sooner when typing. It's a useful little applet. Cheerio. -- Alan Partridge, Physics Dept, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:03:50 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45910 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:03:48 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874572137:05:07710:44; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:42:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ax0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:42 BST From:(Rene Turner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:22:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Thumbnails To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092216.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 00:05:16 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Wed 17 Sep, Rene Turner wrote: > On Tue 16 Sep, Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > On Wed 10 Sep, Rene Turner wrote: > > > > Funny. I had some dosc problems. My disc 2 was the same as disc 1. > > > > They took return-of-post time to provide the correct disc. I was > > impressed (or should that be ovated??) > > Ha ha! very good Peter, you did really well and so did Beebug in responding > with disc in the mail, I get the Impression that you should have been Ovated. > > I was certainly Ovated when the day after writing my comments above to the > list i recieved a nice E-mail from Ian MacDougall of Beebug. > He said he saw my message on the List and offered to either send me a new > Colour Supplement disc or E-mail me the disc contents.. > Being so far away i immidiatly replied saying E-mail it Please........ > > Well here we are 6 days later, ovation waning Un-Impressed and still > waiting ........ > > Wondering actually, "Do they respond to E-mail sent to sales@beebug.co.uk > or support@beebug.co.uk" or do they wait for it to become a public issue? > > Oh well patience is a virtue... Pity i am not virtuous...... > > No Ian, this was not meant to upset you... but please E-mail it now ;-) Ok so now is the time for me to eat humble pie...... Guess what! it arrived in tonights E-mail posts.... very good..... Thanks Ian......... -- Peace & Love to You and Yours... Ren Turner ... Mailto:renet@wave.co.nz H.I.S. NZ http://www.nzdances.co.nz/hosted/brain/ It's hard to make a program foolproof because fools are so ingenious. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 18 14:04:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45914 for david ; Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:04:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874572257:12:19752:46; Thu, 18 Sep 97 09:44:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id az0601357; 18 Sep 97 9:42 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:24:20 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970918.092420.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 19:34:09 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Julian Wright) >Have you told Ovation Pro to load its interactive help file? Check that the >Iconbar->Choices...->General->Load Interactive Help option is set. From:(John Ferguson) >Have you selected 'Load interactive help' in Ovation Pro's general choices >dialog box? Sorry chaps... the choices setting for help does not affect help for macros. Macros help is held in the macros definitions file, the other help stuff is in its own file and the choices setting controls the loading of that. From:(Colin Thompson) >Talking of which, would it be possible to show the date the applets were put >on the site as well as the version number? It would make it easier to see >if you had the latest version. Good idea. I'm still getting the hang of the web site. From:(Rene Turner) > Wondering actually, "Do they respond to E-mail sent to sales@beebug.co.uk > or support@beebug.co.uk" or do they wait for it to become a public issue? All I'd say is, try to talk to the people most closely involved. If you mail or write to the general Beebug addresses, then your mail has to be filtered and passed around, a time consuming and error prone process. If you want to talk to ian@beebug, then mail ian... Also don't imagine that there are dozens of people working at Beebug who might just happen to know the answer to some obscure question. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:17 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45987 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:16 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874655942:05:17785:71; Fri, 19 Sep 97 08:59:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac0625410; 19 Sep 97 8:58 BST From:(New user) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:50:45 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Dating applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085045.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:39:18 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, Like Colin Thompson, I would find it helpful if, on the Beebug website, the applets for O-P were dated as well as numbered. I hope it is not too much of a chore. Norman Thomas 18 Sept 97 (just to show!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:21 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45989 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:20 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874655981:05:18067:43; Fri, 19 Sep 97 08:59:41 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae0625410; 19 Sep 97 8:59 BST From: adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:50:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Window keeps defaulting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085006.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 12:10:51 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Sorry if this is the most basic of questions... Can anyone suggest a method of preventing the Ovation Pro window from 'jumping' back to its start up co-ordinates on the screen when the window is given input focus or resizing..... It starts at the left side of the screen and keeps jumping back there no matter where it is moved to, I want it to stay where it is put. Nigel J.E.Adams British Bus Preservation Group (BBPG) RiscPC StrongARM + OvP 2.46 + 26Mb To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:28 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45993 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:26 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656012:12:13035:56; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:00:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ag0625410; 19 Sep 97 8:59 BST From:(Pete Bready) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:51:46 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Bullets/numbering, rules, contents, indexing etc To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085146.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:46:55 -0700 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I notice from poking about the various OvPro menu/command files (and DDL output) that they contain commented out entries for the above facilities. Is there still an intention to provide these directly in OvPro? I have tried to use the !Contents and !Index applets, but found them a tad slow on my StrongArm m/c. PS I notice some contributors talking about the !THe applet -where can I pick that up? To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45997 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:35 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656049:12:13219:45; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:00:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:00 BST From:(Pete Bready) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:54:22 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Search/replace applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085422.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:52:16 -0700 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Has anyone wriiten a chunk of applet code for a general search/replace function? If not, I may have a go at writing such, but the existing functions/bookmarks make this look a bit convoluted. I'd like this provide the basis for an applet which attempts to tidy up a piece of imported text - initially removing extraneous spaces and so on, then progressing to adding styles etc to textfiles such as !Help, !Readme's which we have to suffer in the system font, with ----- or ====== underlining headings etc. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA45998 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656058:12:13225:103; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:00:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ak0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:00 BST From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:49:46 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparent default frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.084946.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:00:12 +0000 (GMT+1) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 18 Sep, Roger Mayne wrote: > Hi all, > > It has just occured to me that life would be so much easier if my default > frames were always transparent. It is only the occasional frame that needs to > be opaque. I would be most grateful if anyone could tell me how to do this. Not possible AFAIK. I agree with you in that transparent frames should be default. You *can* of course keep a blank frame on the pasteboard, copy it, move it to the desired locations and scale it to the desired dimensions. Moooo.... 8) -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen ----------------------------------------------------------------------- mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | I have one illusion; http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm | I have no illusions. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:44 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46000 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:42 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656085:05:18444:51; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:01:25 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id am0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:01 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:50:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Stylesheets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085026.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:49:13 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Ray Dawson wrote: > I have had a few documents that have done funny things with text > position wise in multi columns, but saving out as a DDL file and then > dropping that back in has normally cured it. I haven't had the > problem since the upgrade to 2.46. =AE Would this also explain the strange phenomena I've noticed a couple of times where the line spacing of an odd line is increased marginally? On at least one occasion, when the line in question was the last line in the frame, and very near the bottom edge of that frame, an additional 'return' cured the problem. I hadn't made any use of the object-justify menu (I'd completely forgotten about it til you mentioned it, Ray). Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:49 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46002 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656151:12:13729:56; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:02:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ao0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:02 BST From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:51:06 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Save ingored words To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085106.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 17:59:08 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 18 Sep 97 (09:22:55 +0100), djw@argonet.co.uk wrote: >In Choices-Text, why will "Save ignored words" not stay ticked? > >Sorry if this has been dealt with before. I have been in touch with David Pilling over this (he is notably helpful), and he says he can't make it happen. I'm glad it wasn't just my machine that does this, but it doesn't seem to affect the actual saving of the ignored words. Puzzling! Peter Y. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:35:55 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46004 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:35:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656172:05:19070:43; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:02:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aq0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:02 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:52:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Kerning? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085243.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:48:20 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 18 Sep, Howe , Chris wrote: > All, > does somebody know how to find out if a font > has pair-kerning present? > 1 easy way is to load the Outlines file into !FontEd (which doesn't support kerning). It'll shoot up a warning box telling you that it's about to ignore the kerning data at the end of the file (if there's any there!). iSV's got a dinky little app (!FontKern) & I think there's a PD 1 or 2 out there as well (!Kerner?) that'll allow you to add and/or edit the kerning too. tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46007 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:01 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656238:05:19391:43; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:03:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id au0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:03 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:51:26 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: Kerning? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085126.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 11:45:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c You could try typing (at large size) a few combinations which really need kerning: AV, Yo are two which spring to mind. If kerning is active, when the vertical cursor is placed between the letters it should overlap one or other (or both). Try Avant Garde, for a font which has such wide characters that pair kerning is a real must, to see the effect. (The original Avant Garde font had a choice of shapes for A and V, specifically with vertical sides where that combination meet and all the slope on the other side). Anthony ---------- Chris Howe wrote: All, does somebody know how to find out if a font has pair-kerning present? I imagine the 'high quality fonts' with Ovation, such as the EFF fonts one might use for body copy, have this. Conversely the EFF PD CD Rom might contain big deco fonts for artistic use, but lacking the kerning. Can one sort of load a file into Edit or somehow peek inside to find out? I suppose making the screen big & turning kerning on & off the Style might (less directly) confirm things. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:05 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46008 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:03 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656242:06:27410:45; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:04:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id as0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:03 BST From:(Fred Bambrough) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:54:43 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Re Help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085443.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:16:17 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970918.092440.87@risc.demon.co.uk> djw@argonet.co.uk (Mr Willington) wrote: > I find that even with "Load interactive help" ticked in Choices-General, I > still have to run !Help from Apps. Yup, this is normal. "Load interactive help" just causes the help text files to load at the same time as Ovation. You still need to load the Help application to read them. To put it conversely, if you don't have "Load interactive help" selected then you won't get the help messages even if you run !Help. You will save memory though. -- Fred ..................................................................... To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46010 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:09 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656301:06:27771:43; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:05:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ay0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:04 BST From:(Steven Pampling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:52:23 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085223.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:41:59 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > From:( Dr A G Gray) >> I thought these "Ovation has sufered a Type 5 error and must >> exit immediately" had largely disappeared:-) > Sorry about that. > If anyone knows of repeatable ways of provoking crashes, I'd be > very interested to hear. >> I had forgotten that an almost guaranteed way to provoke an >> unrecoverable crash is to delete a block after dragging *upwards* in >> the middle of text, over a line feed. > Doesn't work for me. Must be more subtle than how you describe it. Memory page related? Alan may be using a different machine. I seem to recall twiddling with the WimpSlot line (last one) in the Run file and eliminating a tendancy to produce Type 5 errors at intervals - usually with complicated text and graphics being deleted in the manner Alan describes if I remember rightly. SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * "Cracking Toast Grommit" - Wallace * * "Cracking Real Ale Grommit" - Wallace's brother * To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:13 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46011 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:12 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656302:05:19729:48; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:05:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aw0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:04 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:52:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085205.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:58:51 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 18 Sep, Alan Partridge wrote: > Yes, that's the problem. (Are you listening RJE?) Removing the !THe applet > cures it. Thanks. Oh yes, always listening :-) > Now all I have to do is let go of the shift key sooner when typing. It's a > useful little applet. I'm not sure what caused this. I was aware of some problems with the EndNotes applet and deleting frames, which should have been cured by version 2.60, which is much less "dirty" at trapping deletes. It's possible that !THe and EndNotes were interfering with each other. If you were using an older version of EndNotes, I urge you to get the new one from by website. I've also recently updated the way !THe does its capitalisation. Version 1.30 might help. I'll do some investigating, though. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:21 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46014 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:19 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656329:06:27962:43; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:05:29 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ba0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:05 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:53:21 +0100 Organization: Subject: Can you...? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085321.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:54:51 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c The mandatory period of silent awe for the upgrade having now passed (actually, still plenty of awe ;-), just not much silence) I thought I'd chance my luck with a wantwant... I do a lot of work on large page sizes eg A2, and often need to print out just a small part of a page (for proofing purposes, client checking, whatever) for which I'd use a smaller format printer (eg A4). Sure, it can be done ok, but it's not always *that* easy. The way things work (because there's an assumption that you always want to print the whole page) is that the print area remains static, and you move the work around underneath it. A more natural way would be if you could just drag the 'printable area' box (that hoary old man (AW's) has a nice one - a thin red line) around on the page and drop it over the area you want and it would automatically return the correct xy offsets. Extending that idea, drag out a box that then scales to the page size of the printer, in much the same way as you drag out a zoom box that scales to the screen. Possible? tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:26 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46016 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656367:05:20114:44; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:06:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bc0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:05 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:53:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085340.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:43:04 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Alan Partridge wrote: > > > I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL > > > K, I get the message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The > > > command works OK when used from the Edit menu. Occasionally the same > > > message appears when F8 is used to undo. > > > > I have occasionally met that. I believe it was either being > > caused by, or triggered by, the !THe applet. I found that removing > > that applet eliminated the problem. I don't tend to have trouble with > > overcapitalisation anyway. > Yes, that's the problem. (Are you listening RJE?) Removing the !THe > applet cures it. Thanks. Strange. I have the !THe applet permanently on and have no problem with Ctrl-K or F8 - both of which have been used a lot. The only thing I can say is that I only have the 'Correct THe to The' option selected and not the other two. Version is 1.00 Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:31 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46018 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:30 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656391:12:14792:44; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:06:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id be0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:06 BST From:(Pete Bready) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:54:01 +0100 Organization: Home Subject: Re: Default frame colour To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085401.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 18:38:44 -0700 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Simon Jones wrote: > > Having checked the indices and various sectors of the manual, I'll throw > this question to list: > > Is it possible to set all new frames to be transparent by default rather > than white? > > If so, how? > > Cheers > Simon > > -- > Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs > > Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l In relation to this and a similar request from Roger Mayne, wouldn't it be much more useful if the effect/style concept was extended to objects other than text? As it stands, all non-text object properties act like effects IMO (God, I hate using these TLAs!) - imagine how useful it would be if you could change all frames of a particular style by changing a frame style definition, and by having a global choice entry for default frame style (which you could then of course change to a different style altogether, or modify the style etc etc). I remember making this suggestion to CC for Impression some time ago - guess what happened to that! To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:34 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46019 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:32 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656432:12:14955:44; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:07:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bg0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:06 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:55:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085504.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:57:19 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Thu 18 Sep, Alan Partridge wrote: > Hi, > In on Wed 17 Sep, Julian Wright wrote: > > > Alan Partridge writes: > > > > > I am finding that when I attempt to delete a frame using CTRL K, I get > > > the message "Attempt to move to unitialised bookmark." The command work > > I have occasionally met that. I believe it was either being caused by, or > > triggered by, the !THe applet. I found that removing that applet > > eliminated the problem. I don't tend to have trouble with > > overcapitalisation anyway. > > Yes, that's the problem. (Are you listening RJE?) Removing the !THe applet > cures it. Thanks. > I used to have the problem - figured it was the same thing, I think - but have it no longer. But I *have* got the very latest version of !THe, so maybe he's already fixed it? If it's not on Beebug's site it'll surely be on http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/Sware/sware.html And yes - it is a really useful little applet! tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 19 14:36:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46022 for david ; Fri, 19 Sep 97 14:36:40 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874656462:12:15099:49; Fri, 19 Sep 97 09:07:42 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id bi0625410; 19 Sep 97 9:07 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:53:02 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970919.085302.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 14:22:46 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:("Howe , Chris") >does somebody know how to find out if a font >has pair-kerning present? I imagine the 'high >quality fonts' with Ovation, such as the EFF >fonts one might use for body copy, have this. Err load into FontEd and it tells you when it is throwing away the kerning data... From:(Roger Mayne) >It has just occured to me that life would be so much easier if my default >frames were always transparent. From:(Simon Jones) >Is it possible to set all new frames to be transparent by default rather >than white? As it stands, no, you're stuck with the defaults. What I want to do is add named master pages, one set of these would be used to provide prototypes for frames etc. Timewise you'd probably prefer I provided something more crude. Incidentally from the programmers point of view transparent frames are bad news, redraws are much less efficient because you've got to paint all the stuff under the frame. And I think it was this consideration which led to the default being white. From:(Mr Willington) >In Choices-Text, why will "Save ignored words" not stay ticked? This has come up before, and it's still a puzzle, because for me it does stay ticked. The question is what sets off the unticked behaviour? >I find that even with "Load interactive help" ticked in Choices-General, I >still have to run !Help from Apps. Yep, but it means "load OPro's interactive help data", you're expected to make your own arrangements for actually displaying it. e.g. loading the snazzy Bubble Help 2 application supplied with OPro. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:10 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46121 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916075:09:20473:43; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:14:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:14 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:08:21 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Bullets/numbering, rules, contents, indexing etc To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090821.88@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:39:34 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 19 Sep, Pete Bready wrote: > PS I notice some contributors talking about the !THe applet -where can I > pick that up? The latest version, 1.30, is at http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/sware/ and will appear at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423/ soon. As far as I can tell, this version doesn't provoke the "uninitialised bookmark" error. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:13 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46123 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:11 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916111:09:20564:67; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:15:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aa1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:14 BST From:(Mr Willington) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:09:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Save ingored words To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090958.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 19:42:02 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I am glad to hear that I am not alone in losing the tick, especially as I have not done anything fancy with my OvnPro installation or documents. Like Peter Young I find it does not matter but it is irritating. -- __ __ __ __ __ ___ _____________________________________________ |__||__)/ __/ \|\ ||_ | / | || \\__/\__/| \||__ | /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines ___________________________/ DJW@argonet.co.uk Dave Willington, Harrow, UK To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:27 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46128 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:25 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916133:09:20555:125; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:15:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ae1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:15 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:10:16 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Save ingored words To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.091016.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 03:10:36 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c From:(Mr Willington) >In Choices-Text, why will "Save ignored words" not stay ticked? Right, Dave Symes (df.symes@argonet.co.uk ), gets nominated as hero of the week for sorting this one out. The bug is that if you set "ignored words", then save choices to disc, then quit and rerun OPro, then reopen choices, the icon appears unticked - even though the feature is active. So the bug is now fixed in 2.47. And precise bug reports do help. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:38 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46132 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:36 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916159:14:04704:56; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:15:59 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:15 BST From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:08:40 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Window keeps defaulting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090840.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 15:25:51 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 19 Sep 97 (08:50:06 +0100), adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk, adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk wrote: > > Can anyone suggest a method of preventing the Ovation Pro window > from 'jumping' back to its start up co-ordinates on the screen > when the window is given input focus or resizing..... Edit the template 'Main' in !OvnResDir.UK.Templates, using an application such as !TemplEd. You can then resize the starting window and place it where you like on the screen. [Make a copy before fiddling ;-) ] -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:47 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46135 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916214:10:11880:45; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:16:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:16 BST From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:08:59 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: " ... unitialised bookmark " error To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090859.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:43:31 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 19 Sep, Ray Dawson wrote: > Strange. I have the !THe applet permanently on and have no problem with > Ctrl-K or F8 - both of which have been used a lot. > > The only thing I can say is that I only have the 'Correct THe to The' > option selected and not the other two. Version is 1.00 > Extensive testing (well, I just had a go at it, anyway :-) suggests that the combination of EndNotes 2.60 and THe 1.30 doesn't cause this error anymore, even with all three options selected. 1.30 also has some extra features. Oh, and sorry for using decidedly the wrong .sig on a message to this list a couple of moments ago. -- Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (when my computer's on!) To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:50 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46136 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:48 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916216:10:11895:44; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:16:56 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:16 BST From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:02:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Default frame colour To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090244.18@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:37:46 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Pete Bready wrote: > In relation to this and a similar request from Roger Mayne, > wouldn't it be much more useful if the effect/style concept was > extended to objects other than text? As it stands, all non-text > object properties act like effects IMO (God, I hate using these > TLAs!) - imagine how useful it would be if you could change all > frames of a particular style by changing a frame style definition, > and by having a global choice entry for default frame style (which > you could then of course change to a different style altogether, or > modify the style etc etc). What you can do at present is select several frames and apply 'styles' to them together, ie borders, fill colour, align etc. Does that help at all? It would be useful if you could select the text in selected frames as well and apply attributes to that text. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:12:59 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46139 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:12:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916281:14:05015:53; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:18:01 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:17 BST From:(Roger Mayne) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:08:01 +0100 Organization: Subject: Transparent Frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090801.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:55:58 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 19 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > From:(Roger Mayne) > > >It has just occured to me that life would be so much easier if my default > >frames were always transparent. > > From:(Simon Jones) > >Is it possible to set all new frames to be transparent by default rather > >than white? > > As it stands, no, you're stuck with the defaults. What I want to do > is add named master pages, one set of these would be used to > provide prototypes for frames etc. > > Timewise you'd probably prefer I provided something more crude. > > Incidentally from the programmers point of view transparent frames > are bad news, redraws are much less efficient because you've got > to paint all the stuff under the frame. And I think it was this > consideration which led to the default being white. David If you are going to do something about transparent default frames, could you also give consideration to have the option 'no text runaround' available as default as well? Many thanks Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@mail.zynet.co.uk Darprint, Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 227574 Fax: 01322 291237 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:13:06 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46141 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:13:04 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916286:09:21513:47; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:18:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:17 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:09:38 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Search/replace applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090938.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:58:45 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Pete Bready wrote: > Has anyone wriiten a chunk of applet code for a general search/replace > function? If not, I may have a go at writing such, but the existing > functions/bookmarks make this look a bit convoluted. I'd like this > provide the basis for an applet which attempts to tidy up a piece of > imported text - initially removing extraneous spaces and so on, then > progressing to adding styles etc to textfiles such as !Help, !Readme's > which we have to suffer in the system font, with ----- or ====== > underlining headings etc. That would be appreciated: it would create a core that a programmer (not me :-( ) could use for simple file converters: eg I regularly import 'plain text' that has been saved from a Mac, and always find that wherever a quote mark should be, there is an 'O' with one of a variety of accents. i might even be persuaded to work out the mapping required... Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:13:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46142 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:13:07 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916353:14:05221:43; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:19:13 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:18 BST From:(Richard Cassidy) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:10:57 +0100 Organization: Subject: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.091057.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:01:34 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've had a lot of success transfering OvPro docs, via Acorns PS printer drivers, to local PC print houses. However, I currently need to get some plastic conference signs printed and the only good local printer that does this uses Macs. The problem is this - PS files created by the Acorn PS and PS2 drivers are fine for PC's but not for the Mac print house - fundementaly (sp?) because they *have* to print via Illustrator or Photodesk and neither package will read Acorn PS files. Has anyone successfully done this or can someone point me in the right direction for getting OvPro files onto Macs? BTW I've tried !Ghostscr and !GS and they can't/won't do anything with these files either :( Many thanks in advance, Richard -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.fwservices.com/graphite Information graphite.info@argonet.co.uk Sales graphite.sales@argonet.co.uk Other enquiries graphite@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:13:15 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46144 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:13:13 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916357:14:05202:72; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:19:17 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:19 BST From:(John Brown) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:10:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Printing problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.091036.83@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:51:16 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I wonder if anyone can help with a problem that may be due to my doing/not- doing something I ought-not-to-be-doing/doing instead, with Ovation Pro :-) I have been trying to print out samples of the fonts in my possession and have run into a refusal by OP to print certain pages of PD fonts ("Area reserved for font memory is full etc etc" - it aint because no size changes correct anything) Printers 1.28c, 1.53 and 1.54 have all been tried, all with the same result and eliminating individual fonts one by one is also ineffective with this latest problem although effective with 2 of the 4000 eff PD-CD fonts and 2 of eff1 CD fonts which gave refusals with my set-up. However, exactly the same page(s) with the same printer driver(s) simply gets on with the job of a faultless(?) print-out when I use !Publisher. So my first thought of "those b---- PD fonts" was wrong at least in part. I realise there is not enough described here to put people fully in the picture but it is simply too tedious relative to the purpose in hand to give more detail. What I would be interested in knowing is whether others have had comparable problems and how they cured it/them Cheers John Brown -- J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~snookums/welcome.html Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:13:18 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46145 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:13:16 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916362:09:21869:46; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:19:22 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:18 BST From:(Mr T Wilson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:11:17 +0100 Organization: Subject: Printchoices2 - Help To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.091117.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 21:01:27 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Well, that's me completely brain dead. I'm still running TurboDrivers because of the finer control over halftoning and can get noticeably better results than Acorn's printer driver (when using LJ-IV). The problem is I'm getting the pictures upsidedown - again. I did cure it with the printchoices2(1,0,0,0); but now its back to upsidedown. What have I altered? Well, the only thing was to upgrade to v2.46 with the Colour Supplement. I've altered printchoices to the above, but its still produces the piccies upsidedown having rebooted and re-loaded OPro. What am I doing wrong? printchoices(0,8505,250,200000); printchoices2(1,0,0,0); TW -- _____ _ __ ___ _ |_ _(_)_ __ __\ \ / (_) |___ ___ _ __ twilson@argonet.co.uk | | | | '_ ` _ \ \ /\ / /| | / __|/ _ \| '_ \ Cogito ergo ero | | | | | | | | \ V V / | | \__ \ (_) | | | | RISC PC-dual processors |_| |_|_| |_| |_|\_/\_/ |_|_|___/\___/|_| |_| - double the pleasure - To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 01:13:35 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46149 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 01:13:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 874916427:14:05488:58; Mon, 22 Sep 97 09:20:27 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw1404303; 22 Sep 97 9:19 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:09:18 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970922.090918.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 19:38:41 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From: adams_n@marconi-instruments.co.uk > It starts at the left side of the screen and keeps jumping back there > no matter where it is moved to, I want it to stay where it is put. No, surely it doesn't do that... As ever I'm left thinking there must be more to the problem. From:(New user) >Like Colin Thompson, I would find it helpful if, on the Beebug website, the >applets for O-P were dated as well as numbered. I hope it is not too much of >a chore. I've now updated the OPro New stuff web page, which should make it easy to see what's new and when it was put up. From:(Pete Bready) >Has anyone wriiten a chunk of applet code for a general search/replace >function? Well do note that search and replace functions are built into the script language. They duplicate the functionality of the F4 search window. So they do have the one big omission of not being able to search for styles. >I'd like this provide the basis for an applet which attempts to tidy up a >piece of imported text - initially removing extraneous spaces and so on, Find repeated repeated words etc. Good idea. >I notice from poking about the various OvPro menu/command files (and >DDL output) that they contain commented out entries for the above >facilities. Is there still an intention to provide these directly in >OvPro? Yes. For bullets most of the code is still in the program, and they'll work if you enable the menu entries etc. In due course I hope to finish off this stuff. Using what is in the program now for real work is not a good idea. >I have tried to use the !Contents and !Index applets, but found them a >tad slow on my StrongArm m/c. Mostly due to the rigmarole they have to go through to find styles. >PS I notice some contributors talking about the !THe applet -where can I >pick that up? >From the inestimable Rupert Thompson's web site http://rjet1.quns.cam.ac.uk/ (waking hours only) From:(Steven Pampling) >>> I thought these "Ovation has sufered a Type 5 error and must >> Doesn't work for me. Must be more subtle than how you describe it. >Memory page related? Alan may be using a different machine. I seem to >recall twiddling with the WimpSlot line (last one) in the Run file and >eliminating a tendancy to produce Type 5 errors at intervals - usually Hmm. certainly if you see OPro run out of stack space (which I think it says in no uncertain terms) or if (unlikely) it does the old one of just vanishing (classic symptom of the C library run time runing out of memory). Then bumping up the wimp slot is a good idea. From:(Tim King) >I do a lot of work on large page sizes eg A2, and often need to print out >just a small part of a page (for proofing purposes, client checking, Allowing the printable area to be dragged about is an interesting idea. The other approach which is nice, is where the print dbox allows you to position the page relative to the print area - ProArtisan was the first time I saw this. Certainly making the print area more intereactive would be a good improvement. Some persuasion may be needed to actually get the work done though. From:(Pete Bready) >In relation to this and a similar request from Roger Mayne, wouldn't it >be much more useful if the effect/style concept was extended to objects >other than text? As it stands, all non-text object properties act like Yes this is a nice idea. To some extent, master page objects already give you this ability. What else can one say? Well TextEase does have something like this for line styles - although a bit half hearted. I think it's in the one day, maybe, category. From:(Derrick Porter) >>>I remember now why this happened. As I mentioned before, I am using >>>a two column format and I have thin lines drawn across the top and >>>bottom of the text areas - just to set off the margins nicely. >>>The problem was that when I incorporated picture frames in one or >>>other of these columns the bottom lines of text in each frame were >>>not aligned with each other - which, because of the proximity of the >>>ruled line below - looked rather untidy. This was why I experimented >>>with vertical justification - to no effect, of course. >>How about using 'lock to baseline grid' text format dbox? >It now works perfectly. 8-) From:(David Pilling) >Life for repro men is intense, what can I do to help? I'm glad you asked me. The old versions of OPro (older than 2.45/2.46) created all default colours in the RGB model. Even C, M, Y, and K! When you create a new document with the new version of the program, the default CMYK colours are (more correctly) created in the CMYK colour model. So if you've got a document which originates from the older version of the program, your repro man would probably appreciate you checking that CMYK are defined as CMYK colour model colours, and if not changing their definitions. (Misc->Edit Colours...). David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 14:16:47 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46211 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:16:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875003827:14:23618:57; Tue, 23 Sep 97 09:37:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ac1015457; 23 Sep 97 9:36 BST From:(Tim King) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:29:39 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Mac text (was Search/replace) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970923.092939.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:49:19 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 22 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > That would be appreciated: it would create a core that a programmer (not > me :-( ) could use for simple file converters: eg I regularly import > 'plain text' that has been saved from a Mac, and always find that wherever > a quote mark should be, there is an 'O' with one of a variety of accents. > i might even be persuaded to work out the mapping required... Know it well. & for that, the heavy programming's not required. Use !Cvrt - available PD libs, Hensa I s'pose. It's an alphabet converter. Even lets you make up your own mappings. Easy. Incidentally, it doesn't do it if you use a simple text editor - TeachText, say. Only with things like MacWrite up. tim -- Complexity and Contradiction - in search of the absurd, the terrifying, and the fragile Tim King, De-Sign: ph +64 9 4783114, fax +64 9 4783164 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 14:16:51 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46212 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:16:49 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875003829:09:09231:49; Tue, 23 Sep 97 09:37:09 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ad1015457; 23 Sep 97 9:36 BST From:(Mike Williams) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:29:00 +0100 Organization: Akalat Publishing Subject: Re: Transparency To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970923.092900.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:29:02 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I have seen some messages recently on transparency. David Pilling wrote: > Yes, don't bother. As OPro stands there is 100% transparency and 0% > transparency and nothing in between. Tints are not connected with > transparency. There is a solution to this if you have Martin Wrther's Hatch plug-in for use with ArtWorks. You can then create a cross-hatch fill using a solid colour and 'None'. Provide the grid is fine enough the result, to the human eye, is a semi opaque (or transparent) tint of the solid colour. To use it in Ovation Pro you would have to export it as a Draw file but it works. See review of Hatch in Acorn Publisher Vol.3 Issue 5, and longer article on the same subject in Acorn Publisher Vol.3 Issue 6. At present I am fine-tuning the process and hope to publish more info in the October issue of AP (Vol.4 Issue 1). Mike Williams Acorn Publisher To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 14:17:00 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46214 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:16:58 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875003854:14:23714:59; Tue, 23 Sep 97 09:37:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1015457; 23 Sep 97 9:37 BST From:(Keith Hopper) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:29:20 +0100 Organization: City Desk Subject: Re: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970923.092920.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:49:56 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970922.091057.04@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Has anyone successfully done this or can someone point me in the right > direction for getting OvPro files onto Macs? BTW I've tried !Ghostscr and > !GS and they can't/won't do anything with these files either :( For what it is worth I have also been having mysterious problems getting PostScript files 'through' a Mac onto a Varityper re readily visible on a laser printer. Lines which have a defined thickness are fine -- as are bit-mapped duotone images of co Apart from this I merely put large Postscript files on a Syquest removable disc containing a PC disc strusture. My burea The work-around , of course, is to specify all lines to be wider than 'thin' -- but is this the solution? kh To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 14:17:07 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46215 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:17:03 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875003892:14:23869:50; Tue, 23 Sep 97 09:38:12 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1015457; 23 Sep 97 9:37 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:28:41 +0100 Organization: Subject: RE: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970923.092841.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 12:42:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Try plain Postscript (PS) files not Encapsulated Postscript (EPS) files. Either you or your Mac print house have a misunderstanding. It is possible on a mac to send the output file straight down the wire to the printer - usually called downloading. I think the Mac chooser or printer driver has the option to download a file. I am not really mac literate, but from sending postscript output files from PC to Mac bureaux I know the system can work. If you still get no joy, can/have you created your work in !Artworks? If so, you could try the AI and EPS exports and see if the Mac shop can open either of them in Illustrator. Or, can you save/export a bitmap (sprite) of your work in TIFF format? Illustrator and Photoshop are both able to load TIFF files. Anthony ---------- From: maillist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: (EPS) files to Macs Date: 22 September 1997 09:10 I've had a lot of success transfering OvPro docs, via Acorns PS printer drivers, to local PC print houses. However, I currently need to get some plastic conference signs printed and the only good local printer that does this uses Macs. The problem is this - PS files created by the Acorn PS and PS2 drivers are fine for PC's but not for the Mac print house - fundementaly (sp?) because they *have* to print via Illustrator or Photodesk and neither package will read Acorn PS files. Has anyone successfully done this or can someone point me in the right direction for getting OvPro files onto Macs? BTW I've tried !Ghostscr and !GS and they can't/won't do anything with these files either :( Many thanks in advance, Richard To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 14:17:17 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46218 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:17:15 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875003974:10:16673:43; Tue, 23 Sep 97 09:39:34 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id al1015457; 23 Sep 97 9:39 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:29:58 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970923.092958.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 02:39:19 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Mr T Wilson) >I'm still running TurboDrivers because of the finer control over halftoning and >The problem is I'm getting the pictures upsidedown - again. >I did cure it with the printchoices2(1,0,0,0); but now its back to upsidedown. >What have I altered? Well, the only thing was to upgrade to v2.46 with the >Colour Supplement. I've altered printchoices to the above, but its still >produces the piccies upsidedown having rebooted and re-loaded OPro. What am I >doing wrong? The likely suspect is the file !OvnPro.Library.CCprfix. This is supposed to automatically twiddle the printchoices2() bit. One obvious scenario is that it does not know about your type of Turbo driver and is twiddling the bit off. First thing is probably to remove the CCprfix file, rerun OPro and see if you're then OK. If so, edit the CCprfix file and add the LJ to the list of supported types. I also note there is an updated version of this file on the web pages http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/filelib/files/ccprfix101.zip Might be worth a look. From:(John Brown) >I have been trying to print out samples of the fonts in my possession and >have run into a refusal by OP to print certain pages of PD fonts ("Area >reserved for font memory is full etc etc" - it aint because no size changes >correct anything) >However, exactly the same page(s) with the same printer driver(s) simply gets >on with the job of a faultless(?) print-out when I use !Publisher. So my first >thought of "those b---- PD fonts" was wrong at least in part. I'd like to see an example fonts+document, as small as possible please 8-) Well at least if no one comes up with a solution. One feature of OPro is that it keeps fonts open, it caches their handles. It may be that if your page uses a lot of fonts and they are complex then errors will be generated. Keeping fonts open (for a short time) was an idea to speed things up, once upon a time. Perhaps not appropriate any more. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 23 14:17:32 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46221 for david ; Tue, 23 Sep 97 14:17:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875003980:09:10008:54; Tue, 23 Sep 97 09:39:40 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj1015457; 23 Sep 97 9:38 BST From:(Roger Mayne) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:28:21 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Printing problems To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970923.092821.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:31:56 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 22 Sep, John Brown wrote: > I wonder if anyone can help with a problem that may be due to my doing/not- > doing something I ought-not-to-be-doing/doing instead, with Ovation Pro :-) > > I have been trying to print out samples of the fonts in my possession and > have run into a refusal by OP to print certain pages of PD fonts ("Area > reserved for font memory is full etc etc" - it aint because no size changes > correct anything) > > Printers 1.28c, 1.53 and 1.54 have all been tried, all with the same result > and eliminating individual fonts one by one is also ineffective with this > latest problem although effective with 2 of the 4000 eff PD-CD fonts and 2 > of eff1 CD fonts which gave refusals with my set-up. > > However, exactly the same page(s) with the same printer driver(s) simply gets > on with the job of a faultless(?) print-out when I use !Publisher. So my first > thought of "those b---- PD fonts" was wrong at least in part. > > I realise there is not enough described here to put people fully in the > picture but it is simply too tedious relative to the purpose in hand to give > more detail. What I would be interested in knowing is whether others have > had comparable problems and how they cured it/them Hello John Have had exactly the same problem as you, trying to print using a Postscript driver to an HP Laserjet 4MV. Absolutely nothing printed using the Postscript language, but when using the internal PCL language, all pages printed, except the last page! In both instances, I received the same error message as yourself. I'm afraid I cannot give you a cure (I gave up trying). Perhaps someone else can, hopefully, enlighten us. Roger -- Roger Mayne mailto:darprint@mail.zynet.co.uk Darprint, Unit 21, r/o 8-14 St. Vincents Road, Dartford, Kent, DA1 1XZ Tel: 01322 227574 Fax: 01322 291237 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:50:21 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46313 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:19 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089064:09:00720:44; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:17:44 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id af1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:17 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:10:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091004.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 15:03:04 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Keith Hopper) >The work-around , of course, is to specify all lines to be wider than >'thin' -- but is this the solution? Thin lines, lines of zero width, are in the Acorn system rendered one pixel wide. That's quite reasonable on screen, but far too fine to see on high resolution printers. Thin lines are not 'proper' i.e. bad practice and too be avoided. I gather that thin lines are a cause of much wasted film and they are something you should check for before sending off your work to be printed. There's another thing to watch out for. The image processing window will allow you to process a CMYK image using the RGB colour model. (or vice versa). Usually though CMYK images should be passed through with no modification. It's all too easy to have had RGB image processing enabled on an RGB image, replace it with a CMYK image (leaving processing in RGB mode) and then find that the final output is poor. The solution is to set up linear CMYK processing on CMYK images. In fact things need improving here, because if you've never used image processing on an image, the image will be passed through untouched, but there's no indication on the processing window whether it is in RGB mode or pass through mode. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:50:28 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46316 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:26 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089108:09:00919:67; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:18:28 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ah1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:17 BST From:(Nico ter Haar) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:11:05 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091105.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:53:56 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In on Mon 22 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > From:(Tim King) > > >I do a lot of work on large page sizes eg A2, and often need to print out > >just a small part of a page (for proofing purposes, client checking, > > Allowing the printable area to be dragged about is an interesting idea. > The other approach which is nice, is where the print dbox allows you > to position the page relative to the print area - ProArtisan was > the first time I saw this. > Certainly making the print area more intereactive would be a good > improvement. Some persuasion may be needed to actually get the work done > though. > > Or just have a small preview of your complete A2 layout and drag a box around the area to be printed allowing for autofit or 1:1 printing. -- Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl Creator of FoonGrep1 and InetCost Pulstar Pages WWW site --for now at-- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:50:31 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46317 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:29 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089125:14:09342:45; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:18:45 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aj1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:18 BST From:(Keith Parker) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:11:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091144.28@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 23:30:56 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 23 Sep 97 (09:29:20 +0100), kh@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > For what it is worth I have also been having mysterious problems > getting PostScript files 'through' a Mac onto a Varityper 5300 Film > Setter. The mystery is that lines which are described in a Draw File > as 'thin' become invisible on the film -- but are readily visible on a laser > printer. Lines which have a defined thickness are fine -- as are bit-mapped > duotone images of course. I think you'll find that the dots on an imagesetter are very much smaller (either 1270 or 2540 dpi) than on your average inkjet or laser printer (around 300 to 600 dpi). The problem of imagesetting draw lines set to thin is an old one and ISTR the advice was to set them as 0.25mm. Hope that helps. Keith -- keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk Supporting British RISC technology :-) | A teacher using PCs and Macs :-( To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:50:37 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46319 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:35 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089135:14:09352:103; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:18:55 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:18 BST From:(Tom Tanner) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:10:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091024.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:16:01 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Keith Hopper wrote: > In message <19970922.091057.04@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > For what it is worth I have also been having mysterious problems > getting PostScript files 'through' a Mac onto a Varityper 5300 Film > Setter. The mystery is that lines which are described in a Draw File > as 'thin' become invisible on the film -- but are readily visible on a > laser printer. Lines which have a defined thickness are fine -- as > are bit-mapped duotone images of course. > The work-around , of course, is to specify all lines to be wider > than 'thin' -- but is this the solution? Acorns aren't the only software with this problem. It is to do with postscript. There is some default or other which sets lines to 1 pixel wide. On a 300dpi laser printer, this is seriously obvious. On a 2400+ dpi imagesetter it is exceedingly difficult to see. And the printer will probably blast it out of existence when he makes plates from the film anyway. So, yes, the solution is don't use "thin". Because it translates to "as thin as you can possibly make it". -- Regards (PC) / Love from (non PC but nicer) [delete as applicable] Thos -- T. R. Tanner email: ttehtann@argonet.co.uk; ZFC A; Clanorak and StrongArmed web page: http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/ttehtann Warning: Here be random taglines! .... Contentsoftaglinemaysettleduringshipping. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:50:48 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46322 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:45 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089190:09:01517:56; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:19:50 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:19 BST From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:10:44 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091044.56@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 17:17:00 bst X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c AFAIK the "Thin" line in Draw is one dot thick at the resolution of the output device (as are "hairlines" in PageMaker and probably the default line thickness in PostScript), so yes you will see them in screen, and on laserprint at 300 or even 600 dpi, but on an imagesetter at 1270dpi or even 2540dpi they will be too thin to see. So the answer to your final question is yes, the only solution is define the thickness of all lines. Anthony ---------- From: maillist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Re: (EPS) files to Macs Date: 23 September 1997 09:29 In message <19970922.091057.04@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Has anyone successfully done this or can someone point me in the right > direction for getting OvPro files onto Macs? BTW I've tried !Ghostscr and > !GS and they can't/won't do anything with these files either :( For what it is worth I have also been having mysterious problems getting PostScript files 'through' a Mac onto a Varityper 5300 Film Setter. The mystery is that lines which are described in a Draw File as 'thin' become invisible on the film -- but are readily visible on a laser printer. Lines which have a defined thickness are fine -- as are bit-mapped duotone images of course. Apart from this I merely put large Postscript files on a Syquest removable disc containing a PC disc strusture. My bureau uses PC Exchange to read onto their internal Mac disc and beautiful images appear on film! The work-around , of course, is to specify all lines to be wider than 'thin' -- but is this the solution? To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:50:55 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46324 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:53 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089202:14:09571:45; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:20:02 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:19 BST From:(Ernst Dinkla) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:11:25 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparency To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091125.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:05:20 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 23 Sep, Mike Williams wrote: > I have seen some messages recently on transparency. > David Pilling wrote: > > > Yes, don't bother. As OPro stands there is 100% transparency and 0% > > transparency and nothing in between. Tints are not connected with > > transparency. > > There is a solution to this if you have Martin Wrther's Hatch > plug-in for use with ArtWorks. You can then create a cross-hatch > fill using a solid colour and 'None'. Provide the grid is fine > enough the result, to the human eye, is a semi opaque (or transparent) > tint of the solid colour. To use it in Ovation Pro you would > have to export it as a Draw file but it works. See review of > Hatch in Acorn Publisher Vol.3 Issue 5, and longer article on the > same subject in Acorn Publisher Vol.3 Issue 6. > > At present I am fine-tuning the process and hope to publish more info > in the October issue of AP (Vol.4 Issue 1). > > Mike Williams > Acorn Publisher When Martin mailed me a beta version of Hatch one of the first things I did with it was a semi-transparency object. To the drawbacks you mention I would add; be aware of moire patterns showing up in print! I did ask Martin to add this warning to the manual at that time but it didn't get into it as far as I know. Met vriendelijke groet, Ernst -- "More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones" Saint Teresa Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Sep 24 13:51:02 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46326 for david ; Wed, 24 Sep 97 13:50:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875089230:10:06036:56; Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:20:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1409004; 24 Sep 97 9:20 BST From:(John Brown) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:12:04 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970924.091204.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:33:21 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Tue 23 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > >However, exactly the same page(s) with the same printer driver(s) simply gets > >on with the job of a faultless(?) print-out when I use !Publisher. So my first > >thought of "those b---- PD fonts" was wrong at least in part. > > I'd like to see an example fonts+document, as small as possible please 8-) > Well at least if no one comes up with a solution. This could take some time since I wipe files as soon as I achieve a print-out and to resurrect appropriate pages with my memory!!!!! > > One feature of OPro is that it keeps fonts open, it caches their handles. > It may be that if your page uses a lot of fonts and they are complex then > errors will be generated. About 10-12 individual font varieties per page, depending on size required to have enough to assess for use later! (Usually 12pt) > > Keeping fonts open (for a short time) was an idea to speed things up, once upon > a time. Perhaps not appropriate any more. My only comment here is that the same problem-type occurs more frequently on page 3 of a 3 page printout (my working, normally trouble-free maximum from experience) but is easily overcome by asking for the affected page to be printed separately i.e. without any further manipulations or resets. However, a part cause to my original query about a problem not correctable as in previous para has revealed itself: I kept a 12pt Bold Homerton header in a separate frame, 75% main frame width, -60% vertical text shift and above the main text frame. Either deleting the header (leaving its frame where was!) or shifting the whole thing(+ another small text frame + pn frame) inside an expanded main frame allowed printing in some OP problem pages - not all, however. Have not yet done enough more to assess % improvement yet since the problem(s) is/(are) occasional rather than frequent, even if always annoying :-) when it happens. -- J.M.A. Brown |Sec/Treas Acorn Users Auckland 35 Laurie Ave |http://shell.ihug.co.nz/~snookums/welcome.html Parnell Auckland 1|RiscPC610,StrongARM & !InetSuite Tel:+64 9 3790278 |Almost perfect:'Rolls-Royce' Acorn To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 25 13:58:02 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46395 for david ; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:58:00 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875175127:05:10564:43; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:12:07 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab1529085; 25 Sep 97 9:11 BST From:(Max Wall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:08:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970925.090829.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:15:48 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c > Thin lines, lines of zero width, are in the Acorn system rendered > one pixel wide. That's quite reasonable on screen, but far too fine > to see on high resolution printers. > > Thin lines are not 'proper' i.e. bad practice and too be avoided. > > I gather that thin lines are a cause of much wasted film and they > are something you should check for before sending off your work > to be printed. Perhaps a feature could be added to Ovation Pro where it gives you a warning when printing if any thin lines are used in the document. It could be implemented as a option so you can choose whether you want a warning or not. Max To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 25 13:58:17 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46397 for david ; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:58:11 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875175167:05:10774:54; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:12:47 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad1529085; 25 Sep 97 9:12 BST From:(Simon Jones) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:09:29 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Mac text (was Search/replace) To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970925.090929.30@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:28:31 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Tim King wrote: > On Mon 22 Sep, Simon Jones wrote: > > > > That would be appreciated: it would create a core that a > > programmer (not me :-( ) could use for simple file converters: eg I > > regularly import 'plain text' that has been saved from a Mac, and > > always find that wherever a quote mark should be, there is an 'O' with > > one of a variety of accents. i might even be persuaded to work out > > the mapping required... > Know it well. & for that, the heavy programming's not required. > Use !Cvrt - available PD libs, Hensa I s'pose. It's an alphabet > converter. Even lets you make up your own mappings. Easy. > Incidentally, it doesn't do it if you use a simple text editor - > TeachText, say. Only with things like MacWrite up. > tim Thanks Tim. It is on hensa in micros/arch/riscos/c/c051 Cheers Simon -- Simon Jones - capelin@argonet.co.uk - Clitheroe, Lancs Freelance Sound Recordist | http://www.argonet.co.uk/capelin To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 25 13:58:25 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46399 for david ; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:58:23 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875175210:06:10411:49; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:13:30 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af1529085; 25 Sep 97 9:13 BST From: p.j.daniel@eee.salford.ac.uk Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:07:46 +0100 Organization: University of Salford Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970925.090746.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:49:40 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Would it be possible to add a 'print current page' (ie where the cursor is) option to the print dialogue box? This would be much easier and quicker than typing in page numbers. > In on Mon 22 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > > > > > > > From:(Tim King) > > > > >I do a lot of work on large page sizes eg A2, and often need to print out > > >just a small part of a page (for proofing purposes, client checking, > > > > Allowing the printable area to be dragged about is an interesting idea. > > The other approach which is nice, is where the print dbox allows you > > to position the page relative to the print area - ProArtisan was > > the first time I saw this. > > Certainly making the print area more intereactive would be a good > > improvement. Some persuasion may be needed to actually get the work done > > though. > > > > > Or just have a small preview of your complete A2 layout and drag a > box around the area to be printed allowing for autofit or 1:1 printing. > > > -- > Nico ter Haar, StrongARM 202MHz at home! nico.terhaar@tip.nl > Creator of FoonGrep1 and InetCost > Pulstar Pages WWW site --for now at-- http://www.tip.nl/users/nico.terhaar/ > > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk > with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l > To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l > > > To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 25 13:58:36 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46401 for david ; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:58:31 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875175238:05:11191:44; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:13:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah1529085; 25 Sep 97 9:13 BST From:(Ernst Dinkla) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:08:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: (EPS) files to Macs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970925.090809.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:32:03 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Keith Parker wrote: > On Tue 23 Sep 97 (09:29:20 +0100), kh@waikato.ac.nz wrote: > > > For what it is worth I have also been having mysterious problems > > getting PostScript files 'through' a Mac onto a Varityper 5300 Film > > Setter. The mystery is that lines which are described in a Draw File > > as 'thin' become invisible on the film -- but are readily visible on a laser > > printer. Lines which have a defined thickness are fine -- as are bit-mapped > > duotone images of course. > > I think you'll find that the dots on an imagesetter are very much smaller > (either 1270 or 2540 dpi) than on your average inkjet or laser printer (around > 300 to 600 dpi). The problem of imagesetting draw lines set to thin is an old > one and ISTR the advice was to set them as 0.25mm. In ArtWorks (with Filter by Martin Wuerthner) and DrawChanger you can filter out any lines with a linethickness below 0.25mm. and change their size to 0.25mm. For Silkscreenprinting I advise a slightly thicker line; 0.35mm as the imagesetter isn't the limiting factor here but the fabri At that size they can be used as registermarks and cropping marks, for the use in designs an even thicker line is advised especially for horizontal and vertical lines, not because they will drop out but they will get an uneven thickness as the fabric is never completely straight. In DrawChanger you can make a better filter by adding an extra condition; any line with a different colour as the fill has. This applies the broadening of the line only to lines without fills or to lines that differ in colour. Ernst -- "More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones" Saint Teresa Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 25 13:58:52 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46403 for david ; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:58:47 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875175260:05:11304:44; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:14:20 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj1529085; 25 Sep 97 9:14 BST From: martinv@ucs.de Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:09:09 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re^2: (EPS) files to Macs + 'thin' lines To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970925.090909.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 24 Sep 1997 07:52:14 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In your earlier message you wrote: >In message <19970922.091057.04@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> >> Has anyone successfully done this or can someone point me in the right >> direction for getting OvPro files onto Macs? BTW I've tried !Ghostscr and >> !GS and they can't/won't do anything with these files either :( Acorn PostScript (TM) files are not editable on systems lacking a full PostScript Interpreter. Many OS's format their output in a similar way because ps-output is meant to be out-put in contrast to being actual documents. The idea behind this is that the files render faster and with less memory requirement (i.e. cheaper). Acorn though has chosen a technique to render bitmaps that is far from optimal :( If You really want to edit Acorn PostScript than get yourself a copy of NeXTStep / OpenStep, this will happily load/edit files that stray from the ps document formatting convention. > > For what it is worth I have also been having mysterious problems getting / > PostScript files 'through' a Mac onto a Varityper 5300 Film Setter. The / > mystery is that lines which are described in a Draw File as 'thin' become / > invisible on the film -- but a > >re readily visible on a laser printer. Lines which have a defined / > thickness are fine -- as are bit-mapped duotone images of course. > > Apart from this I merely put large Postscript files on a Syquest / > removable disc containing a PC disc strusture. My bureau uses PC Exchange / > to read onto their internal Mac disc and beautiful images appear on film! > > The work-around , of course, is to specify all lines to be wider / > than 'thin' -- but is this the solution? Yes, it is. The line width "Thin" is defined to be the thinnest width available on the rendering device. This width is fine to do certain things on screen for instance, but it has to be used with care. If there is the slightest chance that Your drawing will ever be printed on something with real resolution (dpi in the thousands) then keep Your hands off "Thin". On a 2400 dpi imagesetter You will get lines that are 0.0004167 inches wide - which is identical to invisible for anyone without microscopical eyesight. With kind regards Martin Vethake Uffenkamp Computer Systeme snailmail: Uffenkamp Computer Systeme Gartenstr. 3 D-32130 Enger-Dreyen email : martinv@ucs.de web : http://www.ucs.de/ voice : +49-5224-978075 fax : +49-5224-978076 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Sep 25 13:58:57 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46404 for david ; Thu, 25 Sep 97 13:58:54 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875175294:12:19561:44; Thu, 25 Sep 97 09:14:54 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id al1529085; 25 Sep 97 9:14 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:08:49 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970925.090849.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 14:10:10 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Ernst Dinkla) >When Martin mailed me a beta version of Hatch one of the first things >I did with it was a semi-transparency object. To the drawbacks you mention >I would add; be aware of moire patterns showing up in print! >I did ask Martin to add this warning to the manual at that time but >it didn't get into it as far as I know. I wondered if the hatching used for half toning by the printer could be used in the same way. But Moires will be a problem, maybe as with colour plates if you have the hatch lines at a different angle to all the plates. From:(John Brown) >My only comment here is that the same problem-type occurs more frequently on >page 3 of a 3 page printout (my working, normally trouble-free maximum from >experience) but is easily overcome by asking for the affected page to be >printed separately i.e. without any further manipulations or resets. My feeling is that it's just because OPro leaves fonts open for a couple of seconds. Therefore fonts on page 1 can help you have a full font cache on page 3. OPro does recognise one error message "too many fonts open", seemingly it needs to recognise another one. Oh yes, the other odd thing is that you only see this when printing. I'd imagine that if you engineered a complete refresh of the document e.g. small scale with all the pages on screen, F12, return, you might get the same effect. Although printing does mean openining fonts twice (once at the printer resolution). From:(Derrick Porter) (private mail) >About a week ago you were good enought to advise me how to achieve >an alignment of text lines in a two column format. You advised me to >use "lock to baseline grid". >I have done this, and it does almost what I want. The text is >now aligned perfectly in the two columns but the distance between >the lines has increased as a result and I would rather like to return >to my original line spacing. >I have tried two methods of doing this: >(1) by modifying the grid spacing (via ctrl+shift+G). However, this >does not appear to have any influence on the positioning of the >lines. >(2) Changing the leading. This has some effect, but I cannot seem to >find a value that restores my original line spacing. >Have you any suggestions for what I should try next? Yes, the baseline grid is set from the Document Preferences -> Text window. Ctrl+Shift+P, and is not to be confused with the other 'grid'. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 26 13:41:26 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46499 for david ; Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:41:24 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875262391:06:24842:53; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:26:31 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ab0624693; 26 Sep 97 9:26 BST From:(tony van der Hoff) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:16:51 +0100 Organization: Subject: 2.45 buglet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970926.091651.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:23:20 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Here's an amusing/annoying little buglet in OPro 2.45: With ligatures enabled, Take a word begining with "i", say "input". Decide that it ought to be "buffered input", so place cursor in front of "i" and start typing "buffered". What do we get? "bufifered nput" - Oops! Probably hard to fix, too :-( ---------------------------------------------------------------- Tony van der Hoff | E-Mail: tony@mk-net.demon.co.uk Buckinghamshire, England | WWW: ---------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 26 13:41:30 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46501 for david ; Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:41:28 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875262455:06:25419:42; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:27:35 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ad0624693; 26 Sep 97 9:27 BST From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:18:10 +0100 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: The mailstrip utility To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970926.091810.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:05:32 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I don't know if the mailstrip utility is only used by Argonet users or not, but the program acknowledges receipt of emails, obviously (or perhaps not), this means that each article the user receives from the mailling list is acknowledged back to the mailling list, the practical upshot of which is a load of junk in the maillist mailbox. Therefore could all Argonet users (and others) please refrain from using this utility if you wish to remain subscribed to the mailling list. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 26 13:41:39 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46504 for david ; Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:41:37 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875262519:05:07967:42; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:28:39 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id af0624693; 26 Sep 97 9:28 BST From:(Richard Cassidy) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:17:12 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Re^2: (EPS) files to Macs + 'thin' lines To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970926.091712.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:11:59 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c martinv@ucs.de wrote: > Acorn PostScript (TM) files are not editable on systems lacking a > full PostScript Interpreter. Many OS's format their output in a similar > way because ps-output is meant to be out-put in contrast to being actual > documents. The idea behind this is that the files render faster and with > less memory requirement (i.e. cheaper). Acorn though has chosen a > technique to render bitmaps that is far from optimal :( > If You really want to edit Acorn PostScript than get yourself a copy > of NeXTStep / OpenStep, this will happily load/edit files that stray > from the ps document formatting convention. First of all many thanks to everyone who has helped :) Having now reached my deadline and been comprehensivley unable to provide a single PostScript file that any Mac bureau can read I would really like to see some kind of Mac PS/EPS filter for OvationPro. I eventually had to do the whole set of work again in Artworks, export to Draw, then read that into a custom page setup in Photodesk and finally import the JPEG/TIFF images and save the whole thing *full size* 600mm sq 160dpi as a TIF file!!!!! A bit excessive. The reason for this is because the print machines that the Mac bureaus use. They have to wack the PS file through a custom application that then tweaks it before sending the information to the printer. The software that drives the printers in both places I've been to has been unable to successfully read the PS files and so failed to print. The thing is, I've never had this problem when using PC based bureaus but then I've only ever done A3 or smaller work through them, and for foamex laminated signs I've only been able to find Mac based bureaus. If anyone wants to contradict me I'd love to know a solution because I have a number these larger format projects coming up and I really need to use OvPro to design the layouts. I'm aware of options on QuarkXpress to set the PS output to Mac style when saving on PC's - is this a possibility for OvPro? Cheers Richard -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.fwservices.com/graphite Information graphite.info@argonet.co.uk Sales graphite.sales@argonet.co.uk Other enquiries graphite@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 26 13:41:47 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46506 for david ; Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:41:45 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875262554:06:26465:42; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:29:14 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ah0624693; 26 Sep 97 9:28 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:17:52 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970926.091752.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 18:17:18 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Max Wall) >Perhaps a feature could be added to Ovation Pro where it gives you a >warning when printing if any thin lines are used in the document. It >could be implemented as a option so you can choose whether you want a >warning or not. That's one option, I think my preference would be to allow a default line width to be set, which any zero length lines would get converted to. From: p.j.daniel@eee.salford.ac.uk >Would it be possible to add a 'print current page' (ie where the >cursor is) option to the print dialogue box? This would be much >easier and quicker than typing in page numbers. Well maybe, that would not be too hard, but it wouldn't answer the original problem which was printing a bit of one page. From:(Roger Mayne) >>On Mon 22 Sep, John Brown wrote: >> I wonder if anyone can help with a problem that may be due to my doing/not- >> doing something I ought-not-to-be-doing/doing instead, with Ovation Pro :-) > >> I have been trying to print out samples of the fonts in my possession and >> have run into a refusal by OP to print certain pages of PD fonts ("Area >> reserved for font memory is full etc etc" - it aint because no size changes >> correct anything) > >Have had exactly the same problem as you, trying to print using a Postscript >driver to an HP Laserjet 4MV. Absolutely nothing printed using the Postscript >language, but when using the internal PCL language, all pages printed, except >the last page! In both instances, I received the same error message as >yourself. Some progress here. I've had a copy of JB's document and fonts. Sorry to say I can recreate the problem using just one of the fonts in Draw. So for now OPro is not to blame, and my previous comments about cacheing seem to be irrelevant. I also note that the problem does not arise (in this case) with Postscript - as one might expect. Anyway if you've got an example I'd be pleased to see it. I'm a bit wary that this problem is due to using some characters in the font which are not usually used - e.g. from the fontcat program. David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Sep 26 13:41:59 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46509 for david ; Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:41:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875262658:06:27515:43; Fri, 26 Sep 97 09:30:58 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aj0624693; 26 Sep 97 9:29 BST From:(Ernst Dinkla) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:17:32 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970926.091732.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:13:39 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David Pilling wrote: > From:(Ernst Dinkla) > > >When Martin mailed me a beta version of Hatch one of the first things > >I did with it was a semi-transparency object. To the drawbacks you mention > >I would add; be aware of moire patterns showing up in print! > >I did ask Martin to add this warning to the manual at that time but > >it didn't get into it as far as I know. > > I wondered if the hatching used for half toning by the printer could be used > in the same way. But Moires will be a problem, maybe as with colour plates > if you have the hatch lines at a different angle to all the plates. To be honest I don't think Hatching is the answer to the lack of transparency on the Acorn platform. As far as I know even true transparency as found in Xara and Corel Draw gives problems with certain Rips. The American magazine Publisher compared some illustration programs in a kind of contest. To get halftone films of the designs that used transparency they had to make bitmaps of the designs as they couldn't get them directly from the ill. programs. A general PostScript description of transparency is needed and a new Acorn Draw format should be compatible with it. We need a better Draw for more reasons than that. Then the translation of transparency to halftone screen can be done in the imagesetter in the best way possible. Im- and export between illustration programs will also be easier that way. Any Hatch may give moires in printing with halftone screens. Two hatches in different colour on top of each other may even give moires without the use of screens. There's some analogy with silkscreenprinting, any screen that has to be printed will pass the polyester fabric, a screen in itself. So if you want to use hatching for transparency use the linehatching as it has only one symmetry axis. If you could get the same frequency and angle for the hatch as the screen will get in the imagesetter it would be wonderful. Then you choose the angle of the sep. colour that contributes most to the colour of the hatch. The first one who manages that, deserves a place next to St. David. The punishment is in the form of the worst moire you can get. The other way around is choosing a pitch of the hatch that is not a simple multiple of the frequency of the halftone screen. For instance 3.1428.... times. And an angle at 45 degrees to the supposed angle of the halftone colour that contr........ Then you get a more or less visible hatch depending on the coarseness of the halftone pitch. For a 150 lpi screen a 47.7 lpi hatch. Still the chance of moire. Choose also a linescreen or a stochastic screen for the films as that will help too. With a stochastic screen there wouldn't be any problem with moire under any circumstance. Well I've seen moire in 4 colour stochastic silkscreenprinting. Could have been the fabric of the 4 silkscreenframes involved. Another possibility; a hatch finer than the halftone screen. I'm on thin ice now but I think something like rendering is applied in a RIP so the vectorlines are made into polylines half the size of the dots of the halftone screen or even smaller (up to the actual laserbeam size?). Hatchpitch related to the pitch of the laserbeam. Could work. A 600 MB removable is recommended for all above, I won't try it. Converting the design or part of the design in bitmaps is probably the easiest way to do it. You loose size-independecy but that is a minor problem compared to the problems you may get any other way. Most of us are aware of the moire that can be seen on monitors so if you use Hatch for CRT display you may encounter the same problems. Ernst -- "More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones" Saint Teresa Ernst Dinkla Serigrafie,Zeefdruk edinkla@inter.nl.net To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 29 22:19:58 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46617 for david ; Mon, 29 Sep 97 22:19:56 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875522111:06:16229:54; Mon, 29 Sep 97 09:35:11 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ai1214679; 29 Sep 97 9:34 BST From:(Jeff Wright) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:27:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Printing JPEGs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970929.092743.15@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:53:54 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c We've sorted out in Ovation-Pro 2.46 the upside-down printing of pictures in non-rectangular frames, while using CC's Canon BJC-620 Turbo drivers, and the computer freezing when printing JPEGs. I've now come across a new problem and that is an attempt to print a JPEG contained in a non-rectangular frame. This just produces an empty area where the picture should be. Anyone got a solution? -- Jeff Wright To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 29 22:20:10 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46619 for david ; Mon, 29 Sep 97 22:20:07 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875522599:06:19235:50; Mon, 29 Sep 97 09:43:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ac1513140; 29 Sep 97 9:43 BST From:(Ariancylch) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:29:04 +0100 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Publisher Plus vs OvPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970929.092905.00@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 02:25:36 +1200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I realise this is a slightly 'bad' place to post this, but there are reasons I'm trying here first, so hopefully people will forgive me. Having said that, please, please, please, please, email any responses directly to me, as I'm not inclined to fill up this nice Ovation list with Impression stuff. The two things I'm wondering are if anyone has * a clear idea of what 'things' Publisher Plus has that Ovation doesn't have (or doesn't have an equivalent for) * some actual example documents they might be willing to share I know Publisher quite well, but haven't any real idea about Plus, and haven't had the time to get to know OvPro properly either. Again, if you might be able to help, please email directly, rather than fill up more of this list space with only indirectly OvPro related galumpf. -- I won't use words again M May god stand between you they don't mean what I meant i and harm in all the empty they don't say what I said B places where you must walk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 29 22:20:23 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46620 for david ; Mon, 29 Sep 97 22:20:13 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875522599:12:16520:51; Mon, 29 Sep 97 09:43:19 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id aa1513140; 29 Sep 97 9:42 BST From:(David J Fairweather) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:28:24 +0100 Organization: Subject: Circles aren't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970929.092824.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:16:11 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I seem to have a problem with Circles (well any curved line) when printing. The CBS logo is an eye. I have one constructed as a draw file. I have dropped it into a frame in OP to make up a business card sample. When I print this out the curved lines appear as multi-sided polygons with rather obvious straight edges. If I print our the same draw file directly from Draw+ all lines are 'perfect' curves or as near to perfect as can be detected. Have I missed some setup parameter in OP? I have looked in the manual but haven't found anything which might cause or cure this. Anyone have similar problems or suggestions? Thanks -- David J Fairweather - Director of Operations, Europe. davef@cbslontd.demon.uk Snail to: CBS News 68 Knightsbridge Bowater House (0171-887-3000) London SW1X 7LL ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The views expressed here are personal and do not represent the views or opinions of Westinghouse, CBS News or any other Division of CBS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 29 22:20:42 1997 Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46623 for david ; Mon, 29 Sep 97 22:20:38 GMT Received: from punt-2.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875522646:06:19227:45; Mon, 29 Sep 97 09:44:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-2.mail.demon.net id ae1513140; 29 Sep 97 9:43 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:28:43 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970929.092843.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 14:50:34 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(Richard Cassidy) >If anyone wants to contradict me I'd love to know a solution because I >have a number these larger format projects coming up and I really need to >use OvPro to design the layouts. I'm aware of options on QuarkXpress to >set the PS output to Mac style when saving on PC's - is this a possibility >for OvPro? Presumeably we're playing the unhappy game of 'subsets' i.e. programs which only accept a sub set of PostScript? I think TechWriter has its own PS export routines, rather than using Acorns Printer drivers(?) - be interesting to know if that is any more use. I suppose one theoretical solution is to find a program which can take in any PS file, but can export using a subset - a bit like ArtWorks can do with it's different EPS formats. Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be the correct 'subset'. From:(Ernst Dinkla) >A general PostScript description of transparency is needed and a new Acorn >Draw format should be compatible with it. We need a better Draw for more >reasons than that. Then the translation of transparency to halftone screen >can be done in the imagesetter in the best way possible. Im- and export >between illustration programs will also be easier that way. I wonder if putting transparency into the printer wouldn't just repeat all the fun and games with inks, whereas forcing the transparency to be done by printing a bit map, means it is only a function of what you see on screen. Sounds like you've signed up to Tony Tolvers project to get CMYK colours into Draw... David Pilling To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Mon Sep 29 22:24:23 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46631 for david ; Mon, 29 Sep 97 22:24:22 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875522432:14:19907:43; Mon, 29 Sep 97 09:40:32 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab0907842; 29 Sep 97 9:39 BST From:(Ian Goulbourne) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:28:03 +0100 Organization: Subject: button bar preference saving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970929.092803.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:36:53 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Hi, I'm still having prohlems saving a default document with my button bar preferences. What I would like is a 3 tier bar with lots of buttons in the order that I would prefer. I can do this, but can't save the setup. If I load another new document, then all is fine, but on quitting OPro 2.46 and then starting up again, all the settings are lost. I've tried saving the document as default - no good, the macros save button - no good. If I save the macros separately, and then reload the macros onto the icon on the icon bar, then the buttons are there, but only in 1 tier of buttons. There must be a way of customising OPro, but I can't find it :-(( Can anyone help? Ian -- Ian Goulbourne |__| |__| |__| Tynemouth | |__| |__| | Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Northumberland | | "Life's a beach in Tynemouth" |______________| To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:46:53 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46692 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:46:47 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617071:10:18409:46; Tue, 30 Sep 97 11:57:51 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ag1425904; 30 Sep 97 11:57 BST From:(Colin Thompson) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:12:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: HTML To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091234.42@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:30:22 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Just a couple of ideas for anyone dying to write Applets but without an idea. 1 - Is anyone working on an Applet for HTML stuff? (Ideally with links to HTMLEdit - is it possible?) 2 - Is anyone working on an Applet that could be linked to Marcel so we coyld use it instead of !Edit when composing emails? Colin Thompson FUTURE EDEN - Coming soon to a computer near you. Email . . . colinet@atlantis.aust.com Homepage . http://www.atlantis.aust.com/~colinet To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:01 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46697 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:46:59 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617104:10:18664:50; Tue, 30 Sep 97 11:58:24 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ai1425904; 30 Sep 97 11:58 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:13:16 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091316.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:48:49 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970929.092843.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > the correct 'subset'. Well, I cast my vote for PS output from OPro, as I work with postscript files. Alan Muscat To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:09 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46701 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:08 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617132:14:26341:44; Tue, 30 Sep 97 11:58:52 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ak1425904; 30 Sep 97 11:58 BST From:(Alan Muscat) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:13:57 +0100 Organization: Grapevine Digital Arts Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091357.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:48:53 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970929.092843.98@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > the correct 'subset'. Well, I cast my vote for PS output from OPro, as I work with postscript files. Alan Muscat To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:18 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46705 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:17 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617173:10:19092:48; Tue, 30 Sep 97 11:59:33 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id am1425904; 30 Sep 97 11:59 BST From:("Jamie Lawrence") Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:11:53 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Contents Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091153.71@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:34:29 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c I've finally finished my summer vacation and so I can now try to fix all the problems people have been having with my applets (particulary !Contents). Over the summer I've rewritten most of it although I still can't get it to produce a contents page from a multi-chapter document.(Any help would be appreciated)I've also produced a Indexer applet which also suffers from the same problem. I had previously intended to finish all these applets off over the summer but this thing called "work" got in the way. I will release the latest versions of my applets in a few weeks time. I'm sorry for producing such terrible first versions, hopefully the forthcoming release will be better. Jamie Lawrence To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:25 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46707 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:23 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617193:14:26617:45; Tue, 30 Sep 97 11:59:53 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ao1425904; 30 Sep 97 11:59 BST From:(Richard Craddock) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:12:55 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: PS output To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091255.84@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:59:05 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Mon 29 Sep, David Pilling wrote: > I suppose one theoretical solution is to find a program which can take in > any PS file, but can export using a subset - a bit like ArtWorks can do > with it's different EPS formats. > > Providing direct PS output from OPro would be fairly easy, but I'd > need convincing there was enough demand. And of course it might not be > the correct 'subset'. Add me to the list of Ayes for direct PS output. No more fiddling with the Acorn PoScript driver for outputting films/proofs from Mac bureaux, and the possibility of transferring finished layouts to Quark or back into one's own document? -- _____________________________________________ Acorn RiscPC StrongARM Richard Craddock r.craddock@arcadis.be 46 rue de Linthout 1030 Bruxelles Belgium Tel/Fax. +32 2 736 8783 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:34 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46710 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:32 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617236:10:19453:50; Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:00:36 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aq1425904; 30 Sep 97 12:00 BST From:(Liam Gretton) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:11:34 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Re^2: (EPS) files to Macs + 'thin' lines To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091134.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:29:13 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c On Fri 26 Sep, Richard Cassidy wrote: > The reason for this is because the print machines that the Mac bureaus > use. They have to wack the PS file through a custom application that then > tweaks it before sending the information to the printer. The software What do these tweaks involve? Though I haven't had to do so for a couple of years now, I've never really had any trouble printing Acorn PS files through either Macs, PCs or Unix boxes. The Mac setup I used to use for colour PS output sent the file to a RIP which was connected to a Canon CLC300 (or something similar). It used to take *ages* but always worked. -- Liam Gretton ljg@star.le.ac.uk CCD Group, X-Ray Astronomy Dept, liam@binliner.demon.co.uk Leicester University phone +44 (0) 116 252 3501 Leicester LE1 7RH, UK fax +44 (0) 116 252 3311 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:40 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46712 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:38 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617266:14:26973:46; Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:01:06 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id as1425904; 30 Sep 97 12:01 BST From:(Richard Cassidy) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:12:14 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Circles aren't To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091214.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:18:33 BST X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c David J Fairweather wrote: > I seem to have a problem with Circles (well any curved line) when > printing. The CBS logo is an eye. I have one constructed as a draw > file. I have dropped it into a frame in OP to make up a business card > sample. When I print this out the curved lines appear as multi-sided > polygons with rather obvious straight edges. If I print our the same > draw file directly from Draw+ all lines are 'perfect' curves or as near > to perfect as can be detected. Try scaling the original Draw file up/down to whatever size is required by your Ovation file so when it is imported at 100% size this is the correct size for you business card. If you create a file, that is say A5 in Draw, and import it into an Ovation frame at 65%, it will not print as well as if it is imported at 100%. Hope this helps! Cheers Richard -- _______________________________________________________________________ Graphite Design & Presentation http://www.fwservices.com/graphite Information graphite.info@argonet.co.uk Sales graphite.sales@argonet.co.uk Other enquiries graphite@argonet.co.uk To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:46 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46714 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:44 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617309:10:20019:44; Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:01:49 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id au1425904; 30 Sep 97 12:01 BST From:(Richard Hallas) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:11:14 +0100 Organization: KeyNote Music Typesetting Subject: Re: button bar preference saving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091114.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:18:35 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c In message <19970929.092803.68@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > I'm still having prohlems saving a default document with my button > bar preferences. > What I would like is a 3 tier bar with lots of buttons in the order > that I would prefer. I can do this, but can't save the setup. > If I load another new document, then all is fine, but on quitting > OPro 2.46 and then starting up again, all the settings are lost. You've presumably left a copy of your old preferences in the AutoRun directory inside !OvnPro. You should remove it. The button bar definition is saved inside a file called "!Macros" in !OvnPro.AutoRun. As implied by the name of this directory, everything inside it is run when you start up O-Pro; so if you've kept a backup of your old !Macros file in this directory, maybe using a name like "!MacrosX", then it will actually get run /after/ your new !Macros and override your revised settings. The AutoRun directory should (probably) only contain the following files: !Choices, !Custom, !Macros, !Menus, !Prefs. -- Richard -=-=-=- Richard G. Hallas * Author of "Charges" * Editor of RISC User magazine Proprietor of KeyNote: Music Typesetting & General Desktop Publishing E-mail: Richard@hallas.demon.co.uk * Telephone/Facsimile: 01484 460280 To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Sep 30 13:47:56 1997 Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA46716 for david ; Tue, 30 Sep 97 13:47:51 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 875617330:14:27232:45; Tue, 30 Sep 97 12:02:10 BST Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id aw1425904; 30 Sep 97 12:02 BST From:(David Pilling) Sender: imac@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:13:36 +0100 Organization: Subject: Re: Various To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970930.091336.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Sep 97 01:44:24 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.59c Status: R From:(David J Fairweather) >I seem to have a problem with Circles (well any curved line) when >printing. The CBS logo is an eye. I have one constructed as a draw >file. I have dropped it into a frame in OP to make up a business card >sample. When I print this out the curved lines appear as multi-sided >polygons with rather obvious straight edges. If I print our the same >draw file directly from Draw+ all lines are 'perfect' curves or as near >to perfect as can be detected. >Have I missed some setup parameter in OP? I have looked in the manual >but haven't found anything which might cause or cure this. Hmm. Beziers (which is what your circles will be made up of) are always drawn as a series of straight lines. They are 'flattened' and the parameter called the 'flatness' controls how many straight lines are used to approximate the curves. There's a trade off, the smaller the flatness, the slower rendering is. In old versions of Ovation, I did get this wrong once or twice resulting in curves with flat spots. I'm not aware of it being wrong in OPro. It may depend on the scale the Draw file is printed at. I'd be interested to see an example... (to the address below). From:(Jeff Wright) >I've now come across a new problem and that is an attempt to print a JPEG >contained in a non-rectangular frame. This just produces an empty area where >the picture should be. This works for me. (to Laser Direct). The usual suspects are lack of memory, odd printer drivers, getting some sort of angle on the JPEG - but then of course it would not render on screen. From:(Ian Goulbourne) >What I would like is a 3 tier bar with lots of buttons in the order >that I would prefer. I can do this, but can't save the setup. >If I load another new document, then all is fine, but on quitting >OPro 2.46 and then starting up again, all the settings are lost. >I've tried saving the document as default - no good, the macros save >button - no good. Hmm. well the correct method is to open the macros window and click on Save. The macros file contains all info on button position and button bar height. I suppose a possible catch is that somewhere you have an OPro script which is redefining the button bar/macros. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. To unsubscribe send a message to: maillist@risc.demon.co.uk with the Subject: SIGNOFF ovationp-l To subscribe the Subject line should be: SIGNON ovationp-l