From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:16:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34493 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:16:55 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857466036:9:16853:50; Tue, 04 Mar 97 09:00:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bs1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:59 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:19:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091906.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 97 15:07:34 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 25 Feb 97 (08:49:27 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970225.083348.02@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> I have never got the button bar to scroll at 100% zoom. >> When using 100% zoom I have buttons off screen and cannot get to >them, any >> ideas anybody? >> > >This sounds to me like some sort of clash between Ovation Pro and >something else. Can you do a shift-boot and see if anything in your >boot sequence is interfering? Nice idea, Ian, but it doesn't work, not for me at any rate. I did a shift-boot, and ran OvPro before anything else. Exactly the same thing happened, which is the button bar scrolling, not scrolling or scrolling when "nudged", more or less at random. I am using an ARM 610 RiscPC; when I get round to doing the Strong ARM upgrade I will try the same again, as I wonder if it is processor-specific? Or could is be screen mode-specific? I use C256, X800, Y600, and the shift-boot gave me old mode 27. I haven't tried other modes. Does any of this mean anything to techies? The problem does seem to be in OvPro, though. Best wishes, Peter Young. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:00 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34495 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:16:59 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857464974:10:23717:48; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:42:54 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ah1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:42 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:14:02 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: chapter starts on left To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091402.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 12:23:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >> No, it prints page 1 on the right of the first page and page 2 on the left of >> the second page. I can't get a 2 page document to print pages 1 and 2 side by >> side. > >You can by specifying that the chapter starts on the left page, using the >start on left option on the Modify chapter dialogue. I was needing this and hadn't worked it out. Thanks Anthony From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34497 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:01 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465041:10:24105:50; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:44:01 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ai1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:43 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:15:21 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: More ways to crash To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091521.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 09:29:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 25 Feb, Jonathan Overett wrote: > I seem to have found some new ways of making Ovation Pro crash - just my > luck! When adding/deleting a page from some documents OP just freezes and > I have to use Alt-Break, this only affects certain stylesheets. Can you repeat the problem - I never can :-( -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:07 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34499 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:05 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465111:9:11140:47; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:45:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aa1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:44 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:07:34 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Text around graphics To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100734.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:29:42 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091552.97@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > The main problem I have is with text being shunted completely out of columns > or pages by a graphic or a frame. We have had some problems of this nature, usually with embedded frames. Can you send us a copy of the document so we can actually see what is going on? Things to try: force a reflow of the bodytext (change its point size). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:12 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34501 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:11 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465675:10:27836:51; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:54:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id an1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:54 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:14:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: new applets To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091417.95@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 14:38:05 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 20 Feb 97 (09:05:19 +0000), rayd@argonet.co.uk wrote: >On a similar note, does anyone know how to alter the !Menus file to put >'Save text story' onto S_F3? I thought it would be rather useful to >have it on a keypress, as well as in the menu, but haven't been able to >get it to work. I have {open_menu(export_box(1))} defined as a Key macro for Shift_F3. And, the key I use all the time, F3 as {savedocument("")}. HTH, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:16 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34502 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:15 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465676:10:27841:49; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:54:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ao1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:54 GMT From:(J E Manfield) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:16:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091610.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 11:03:33 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R At the moment Text and Graphics Frames play havoc with written text in a Document. I have tried using the Text run around Menu, but that is not the answer. Could we not go back to the old Ovation 'Make Transparent', or have I missed something in the Manual ? James -- _ _ _ | (_) | | | |_ _ __ ___ | |__ ___ J.Manfield.Greenleas.Churt.Surrey.GU10 2NH _ | | | '_ ` _ \| '_ \ / _ \ fone:+44(0)1428713326 fax:+44(0)1428717167 | |__| | | | | | | | |_) | (_) | ------------------------------------------ \____/|_|_| |_| |_|_.__/ \___/ arachne@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:19 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34503 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:18 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465717:10:28009:119; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:55:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ak1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:54 GMT From:(Cliff Downs) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:17:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091759.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 08:47:40 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 25 Feb 97 (08:49:27 +0000), Ian MacDougall wrote: >In message <19970225.083348.02@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> I have never got the button bar to scroll at 100% zoom. >> When using 100% zoom I have buttons off screen and cannot get to >them, any >> ideas anybody? >> > >This sounds to me like some sort of clash between Ovation Pro and >something else. Can you do a shift-boot and see if anything in your >boot sequence is interfering? Thanks Ian, did it and worked OK. I will investigate further. Cliff ZFC S -- Clifford Downs From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:22 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34504 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:21 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465727:10:28009:200; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:55:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ar1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:55 GMT From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:20:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Index & Contents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.092011.72@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 07:53:32 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Can someone please inform me where the facility to auto create an Index and Contents from within an Ov Pro document are. Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:25 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34505 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:23 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465745:10:28215:47; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:55:45 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aq1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:55 GMT From:(Chris Wragg) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:19:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Combining documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091954.93@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 97 16:29:57 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Apologies in advance if this has been asked before, but is there any way in which two OvationPro files can be merged, or one appended to another? Text or pictures can be imported via the clipboard separately, but this can be very tedious if many pictures and/or frames are involved, and the formating is of course lost. They are usually derived from the same original master document. Chris -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from an Acorn Risc PC! An Acorn on my desk for cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:27 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34506 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:26 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465748:9:14978:47; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:55:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ap1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:54 GMT From:(Dr Colin D Kennedy) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:17:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New Documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091713.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 21:39:20 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 25 Feb 97 (08:33:19 +0000), waddell@which.net, waddell@which.net wrote: > when I now initiate a new document in >OvationPro, ... >is titled Document2 when it is the only document window open. > >Is there a file that I amend to put things back to normal. > >Grateful for any assistance. Have had exactly the same problem - with the same lack of success in putting it back to Document0. It does not seem to effect OP in any other way, but I would be very grateful for any advice. Colin -- Colin Kennedy <<<<<< cdkennedy@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:30 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34507 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:29 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465749:10:28234:49; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:55:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ae1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:55 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:07:49 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100749.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:32:27 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091610.04@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > At the moment Text and Graphics Frames play havoc with written text in a > Document. > I have tried using the Text run around Menu, but that is not the answer. > Could we not go back to the old Ovation 'Make Transparent', or have I missed > something in the Manual ? > James Can you restate this perhaps with an example (not to the list)? I don't understand the question, sorry. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:32 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34508 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:31 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465750:10:28225:52; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:55:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id as1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:55 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:07:03 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Preferences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100703.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:23:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091433.63@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Presumably, having created one frame with the correct attributes you > could copy it (and its attributes) within that document or to other > documents. Indeed, you could take it a step further by saving a default > document containg an appropriate frame. It may be quicker to copy an > existing frame and resize than add attributes each time. However, > the facility to set all attributes as current defaults would be most > useful. Yes and remember that you can stick things on the pasteboard. We would also hope to offer a facility whereby a single object can be loaded from a DDL definition. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:35 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34509 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:34 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465812:10:28629:48; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:56:52 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ba1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:56 GMT From:(Jack Evans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:15:37 +0000 Organization: Subject: Save as Text Story To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091537.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 20:29:32 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 20 Feb, Ray Dawson wrote under Re: new applets subject: > On a similar note, does anyone know how to alter the !Menus file to put 'Save > text story' onto S_F3? I thought it would be But as things stand, can you 'Save text story', ie as plain ASCII? I wanted to do this today and found that apparently the only alternative to saving a document normally is in DDL format. Followin separate program for processing or conversion.' Does sucha program exist yet? -- Jack Evans Join the Bristol Acorn RISC User Group if you live locally - meet the people who matter and can help. URL is http: From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:38 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34510 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:36 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465813:10:28617:86; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:56:53 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bb1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:56 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:16:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: OP and JPEGs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091657.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 97 20:40:06 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I was under the (mistaken?) impression that Ovation Pro supported JPEGs. I had a page with eight small images and so I dropped them into the frames as JPEG files, which displayed Ok. When I went to print the document, the whole computer hung. Removing the frames with the JPEGs (saving them first) allowed it to print. I then saved out the JPEGS as sprites and dropped them into the same frames and again it printed Ok. Is it me, or should OP print JPEGs as well as sprites? I was using LaserDirect version 4.06 and OP 2.42 Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:40 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34511 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:39 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465826:9:15382:64; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:57:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bc1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:56 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:17:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Frame inset To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091744.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Feb 97 20:01:58 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have noticed that in multi-column frames, only the first column has the left hand inset - the other frames don't. Is this intentional, or is it a drop off? I have also had the situation where I haven't been able to delete local text frames. It has happened when I have created a temporary frame to store some text in while working. I've deleted the text, selected the frames and pressed C_K, but they won't go. I tried setting the X, Y, H and W parameters to zero, but they are still selectable with CS_Drag (although miniscule in size). It is mainly cosmetic, but is there any other way to delete rogue frames? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:43 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34512 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:42 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465886:9:15843:52; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:58:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aj1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:57 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:19:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: RTF import from Pocket Book To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091938.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Mar 97 18:00:17 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 21 Jan 97 (12:39:16 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: snip > >> RTF Import >> ---------------- >> snip > >The missing word thing appears to be a problem with the RTF filter >that I believe is being fixed. I have just downloaded the latest RTF filter (can't remember the version number now!) from the Beebug website, and it seems to work accurately from the Pocket Book, if you transfer the file in PocketFS as filetype RTF. :-)) Can anyone now provide an RTF filetype sprite? (do I imagine it, or did one exist in Risc OS either 2 or 3.1??) Cheers, Peter Y. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:46 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34513 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:44 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465886:9:15855:48; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:58:06 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id be1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:57 GMT From: r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:18:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Ovation dead whilst saving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091832.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 97 9:10 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 When Ovation Pro is automatically saving my work, it completely ignores all typed input from the keyboard, resulting in half a line of missing text, which it does not recover after the saving. It doesn't use a keyboard buffer to accept typed input whilst it is saving. Moreover, it loses text without any warning whatsoever! You only discover half a line of missing text (or more if you can type faster or it is saving a larger document) later if you are lucky! For a so-called multi-tasking professional DTP package this is completely un-acceptable. Although I expect Beebug to blame Acorn for this shortcoming, probably claiming that all DTP packages do this, that is no excuse, there must be a way around this? Roger. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:48 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34514 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:47 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465888:10:29064:49; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:58:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bd1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:57 GMT From: r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:18:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re[2]: automatic loading of text editor To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091815.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 97 10:45 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I earlier asked how it was possible that running Ovation Pro automatically loaded a text editor, and the question was asked if I had accidentally copied a text editor into the applets directory. Well, no, I haven't, but I looked in the applets directory and it seems I put the 'ReadMe' file about applets into the applet directory, which seemed the best place to put it at the time. I should not have put it in there, as it automatically double clicks on anything in there and runs it, and hence loads a text editor if there isn't one already running. I must, however, warn others that simply moving the offending 'ReadMe' file into the Ovation Pro directory will overwrite yet another 'ReadMe' file all about Ovation Pro! The answer seems to be to re-name the applet 'ReadMe' file to perhaps 'AppReadMe' before putting it into the Ovation Pro directory. Roger From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:51 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34515 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:50 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465888:10:29058:52; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:58:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bf1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:57 GMT From:(Kevin Pearcey) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:19:22 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Preferences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091922.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 16:44:06 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 20 Feb, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970220.090608.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I wonder if there is a way to change the default preferences with regard > > frames. > > > > I work in QXP with no text inset, repel off and transparent background on my > > frames. > > > > Is there any way to set these attributes so that I don't have to change every > > frame I create? > > No, not currently at least. You can set the default inset from choices, > but not bg colour or text flow. Bg colour is a possibility from addition > to choices. > These would be usefull as parameters to the scripts. This way we could set up several buttons to provide standard sets of frame definitions. I suppose this is a bit like being able to create a set of styles for frames. -- Kevin Pearcey From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:54 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34516 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:53 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465963:10:29521:48; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:59:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bm1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:58 GMT From:(Mike Williams) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:14:33 +0000 Organization: Akalat Publishing Subject: Re: Preferences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091433.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 1997 09:49:09 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Ian MacDougall wrote: > From : Ian MacDougall at Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Preferences > In message <19970220.090608.58@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> I wonder if there is a way to change the default preferences with >> regard frames. >> I work in QXP with no text inset, repel off and transparent background >> on my frames. >> Is there any way to set these attributes so that I don't have to change >> every frame I create? > No, not currently at least. You can set the default inset from choices, > but not bg colour or text flow. Bg colour is a possibility from addition > to choices. Presumably, having created one frame with the correct attributes you could copy it (and its attributes) within that document or to other documents. Indeed, you could take it a step further by saving a default document containg an appropriate frame. It may be quicker to copy an existing frame and resize than add attributes each time. However, the facility to set all attributes as current defaults would be most useful. Mike Williams Acorn Publisher From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:17:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34517 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:56 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465964:10:29539:48; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:59:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bn1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:58 GMT From:(Geoff Stilwell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:15:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Text around graphics To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091552.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:20:26 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I'm involved in creating a Community Centre Annual Report using Ovation Pro. I must say that this is the first substantial project I have tried in OPro although I have quite a bit of experience with Impression Style. The main problem I have is with text being shunted completely out of columns or pages by a graphic or a frame. In some cases I have used a blank frame across the top of a page just to give a little more offset to the column titles than would be easily possible normally. A fraction too far into the column pushes the text into the next column or page. Why is this? On one page I've used a clip art picture of a ballet dancer and the frame containing it fits the picture. This again sometimes has the effect of unresonably offsetting the text so that it will not wrap closely around the picture, leaving unpleasant gaps. Other times it will also push text into the next column with a position adjustment of a fraction. Please help me with this, anyone. It seems as though the program has a mind of its own. Thanks -- +============================================================+ | __ _ _ _ North West London Computer Club | |/ _ _ _ /_ /_ (_`|-o| _ || Email: gds@globalnet.co.uk | |\__)(-`(_)| | \_)| ||\/\/(-`|| Tel: 0171 916 5886 | | http://www.wcg.org/uk/index.htm | +============================================================+ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:00 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34518 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:17:59 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465970:9:16348:47; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:59:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bo1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:59 GMT From:(Jonathan Overett) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:16:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: More ways to crash To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091626.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:56:42 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 > > > I seem to have found some new ways of making Ovation Pro crash - just my > > luck! When adding/deleting a page from some documents OP just freezes and > > I have to use Alt-Break, this only affects certain stylesheets. > > As always an example would be useful, do I sound like a broken record? > > Also, very > > occasionally Ctrl-Tab brings up either Error 5 or some kind of error dump > > rather than the ruler bar. This in OP 2.42 > > Are there any common factors, same type of document perhaps that might > point us in the right direction. The randomness of crashes like this > make them very difficult to pin down. > > -- > Ian MacDougall > Beebug Ltd > > The freezing occurs with one particular stylesheet, will send this on disc. The Ctrl-Tab problem does seem random, I used it several times on different documents and OP crashed twice. I may be using the same keypress to set the CSD from !Director, could this be the problem? On a different note, would it be possible to allow different vertical and horizontal internal indents on frames in a future version please? I know you can change frame shape to a polygon and then alter the internal indent curve that way but the ability to change it from the Modify frame dialog box would be handy and quicker. Jonathan Overett Christ's College, Cambridge. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:03 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34519 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:18:02 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465972:9:16313:56; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:59:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bp1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:59 GMT From:(John M Ward) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:16:42 +0000 Organization: the new "Chateau John" in Kent Subject: Re: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091642.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:51:36 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 David Pilling wrote: > Anthony Hilton; >>> Might be good as an optional feature, but probably dangerous for some >>> people. >> But the continue button seems to have no function once the end of the >> file has been reached. I cannot see the danger of re-starting a search >> which has been through the document once. > Well I was imagining someone would just keep clicking on continue and go > through their document a few times before they got bored or realised > what was going on. At the end of the document the function of continue > is to do nothing and so point out to you that you're at the end. A nice way to implement what is wanted, without risking confusing the user, is to pop up a small alert box (I think that's the right term for this) that says something like: "End of document reached: do you wish to re-start your search from the top of the document?" There would be the usual two buttons, either "Yes" and "No" or "Continue" and "Cancel", depending on what all concerned (e.g. via this maillist) thought better. I'm sure I've seen this kind of thing somewhere, and it did seem to cover all points raised in this thread. -- John Michael Ward --> Putting quality above quantity, hype, vested interests, money, and other pressures. Thus: a supporter of Acorn Computers, LibDems, the Hour of Power and Babylon 5 <*> From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:06 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34520 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:18:05 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465977:10:29539:131; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:59:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bq1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:59 GMT From:(Nick Day) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:17:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: Ovation DDL To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091728.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:34:25 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hmm. Is this a bug? I am writing an application that converts the output from Psion Agenda to various usable and nicely readable formats to print from RiscOS. One of these formats is Ovation. Well two of them actually. First is a simple DDL file of the diary entries tarted up a bit. That works fine. Second is a complete document with defined A5 master page, heading, page numbers etc. I created the document normally, put the (as created above) DDL file in it to test it. It looks fine. So I save up to the first line of text as a data file 1. save after the last line of text as data file 2. The application reads in data file 1 then appends the DDL-ised diary text then adds contents of data file 2. Thus we get a DDL file of the whole document. Which loads in fine. Comes up. Looks great. Very proud. Pleased as punch. But then I notice that page numbers and headers do not appear beyond the first page! Check the original. There they are. Check this one. There they aren't. Any ideas? I expect you'd like to see the files and the application to check it out. It is written with Clares new WimpBasic. So you'd need the (publicly distributable) WBModules as well. How do I send all this to you? I have ArcFax which does file transfer. Also somehow via FTP I guess ... Explain? Thanks Nick Day From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:09 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34521 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:18:08 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857465996:9:16348:135; Tue, 04 Mar 97 08:59:56 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id br1118005; 4 Mar 97 8:59 GMT From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:18:49 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re:Problems with Ov Pro No 322 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091849.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 97 22:09:12 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi Y'all, While I've had Ov Pro since it first became available last year, I've not used it much as I've been trying to adapt my "Impression Publisher", business documents, so that I can reconstruct them in Ov Pro. With some recent advice from Mr J Wallace, I am now making some progress... :-) I have another problem that needs some advice please. Over the years I've aquired (was going to say hundreds, but it's actually), thousands of Borders in the form of Drawfiles for use in the above mentioned application. Unfortunately the borders in Ov Pro are not, how can I put it... aesthetically satisfactory. Is there any way to import graphic borders into Ov Pro, if not is it a want list item for future inclusion? (I suppose it could be done the same bodge way we used to do it in Impression Junior, which in itself didn't import additional borders). If not, not, what shall I do with all those paid for borders, aside from shoving them up my ****? Though I'd mention that before someone else suggested it. :-) Dave Symes -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:12 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34522 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:18:11 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857466029:10:00015:47; Tue, 04 Mar 97 09:00:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bt1118005; 4 Mar 97 9:00 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:07:19 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: RiscPC freezing when... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100719.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:26:06 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091450.12@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > 1. I had an OP 3.6 doc open that included a few blank lines ie. lines with > just a single CR on them. I wanted to reduce the size of these blank lines > from the default 10pt to 6pt so as to reduce the size of the white space > between the paras on this page quickly to make it fit onto a single page to > economise on the fax time. I highlighted the whole line with a quick click > and drag, the whole line highlighted (went black), and I selected the new > font size of 6pt, pressed enter and the whole machine froze requiring a > reboot. I was able to reproduce this ad infinitum. > If I placed my cursor at the beginning of the line, resized, pressed enter, > the line was 6pt but then I ed the old 10pt line. Any clues?? This is a bug that has been fixed. > 2. A document had two pages that I deleted a section of text from and > reduced it to one page but the second page would not delete. I was sure to > remove any text frames and objects first, still no luck. I selected the tex Not seen this before, can we see the document. In the meantime try saving as a DDL and reloading see if that sorts it out. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:15 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34523 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:18:13 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857466036:9:16862:51; Tue, 04 Mar 97 09:00:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bu1118005; 4 Mar 97 9:00 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:15:06 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091506.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 97 22:18:34 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Roger Darlington; >Somehow, I have no idea how, I have accidentally managed to make Ovation Pro >load in a text editor from disc whenever Ovation Pro is run from disc. Copying a text file into the Applets directory is another way of doing this. Ray Dawson; >On a similar note, does anyone know how to alter the !Menus file to put 'Save >text story' onto S_F3? I thought it would be rather useful to have it on a >keypress, as well as in the menu, but haven't been able to get it to work. In AutoRun.!Menus addentry_menu(file_handle,"file_entry","file_flags","export_box","S_F3","{FM03}"); Add ^^^^^^^ ^^^^ In Library.!Menulib int file_entry(int entry,int subcode) { switch(entry) { case 0: open_menu(fileinfo_box(1)); break; case 1: if(subcode==-2) open_menu(savedocument_box(1)); else if(subcode==-1) savedocument(""); break; case 2: /* add */ if(subcode==-2) open_menu(export_box(1)); /* these */ break; /* lines */ } return(0); } David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 4 14:18:18 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34524 for david ; Tue, 04 Mar 97 14:18:16 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857466049:10:00243:50; Tue, 04 Mar 97 09:00:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bv1118005; 4 Mar 97 9:00 GMT From:(Hank van der Wijngaart) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:14:50 +0000 Organization: Subject: RiscPC freezing when... To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.091450.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 00:00:02 +1100 (EST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Can anybody help me; Two annoying problems arose today that have not occurred to me before; 1. I had an OP 3.6 doc open that included a few blank lines ie. lines with just a single CR on them. I wanted to reduce the size of these blank lines from the default 10pt to 6pt so as to reduce the size of the white space between the paras on this page quickly to make it fit onto a single page to economise on the fax time. I highlighted the whole line with a quick click and drag, the whole line highlighted (went black), and I selected the new font size of 6pt, pressed enter and the whole machine froze requiring a reboot. I was able to reproduce this ad infinitum. If I placed my cursor at the beginning of the line, resized, pressed enter, the line was 6pt but then I ed the old 10pt line. Any clues?? 2. A document had two pages that I deleted a section of text from and reduced it to one page but the second page would not delete. I was sure to remove any text frames and objects first, still no luck. I selected the text link tool and there appeared two link lines, one from the main frame on page one to the main frame on page two and a second one slightly overlaying the first. No manner of selection or attempts at ing them would work. I ended up having to drag all of the objects to a freshly created document so that I could finish my work. It was getting very late. Any clues??? My machine is a RiscPC with StrongARM and I had the following applets active; Abbrev., Key select, Document logger, Overwrite warning, Smart quotes & SuperShift Regards Hank ------------------------------------------------ 'StrongARMed and dangerous' =================================================== This message was sent using a RiscPC powered by a 200MHz StongARM processor. A fast and powerful 32 bit RISC machine. First released in 1987!! Only now is Win 95 and WinNT sort of catching up! =================================================== __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_@-@.--< `--'\ \ <___/. \ \\ " / >=\\_/`< /= | \_|/ _/=== \___/ /=/~\====\ Hank =================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:00 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34608 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:27:58 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857551462:9:12352:48; Wed, 05 Mar 97 08:44:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ai1128807; 5 Mar 97 8:43 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:08:20 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation DDL To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100820.51@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:50:15 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091728.76@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I created the document normally, put the (as created above) DDL file in it > to test it. It looks fine. So I save up to the first line of text as a data > file 1. save after the last line of text as data file 2. The application > reads in data file 1 then appends the DDL-ised diary text then adds contents > of data file 2. Thus we get a DDL file of the whole document. Which loads in > fine. Comes up. Looks great. Very proud. Pleased as punch. But then I notice > that page numbers and headers do not appear beyond the first page! Check the > original. There they are. Check this one. There they aren't. > > Any ideas? > > I expect you'd like to see the files and the application to check it out. It > is written with Clares new WimpBasic. So you'd need the (publicly > distributable) WBModules as well. How do I send all this to you? I have > ArcFax which does file transfer. Also somehow via FTP I guess ... Explain? The DDL would probably suffice, you need to check out sending attachments to email or simply stick it on a disc. If you do send it electronically send it to me directly no to the list, ian@beebug.co.uk is my preferred address these days. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:15 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34612 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:13 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857551267:10:25781:49; Wed, 05 Mar 97 08:41:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ab1128807; 5 Mar 97 8:40 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:08:05 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: More ways to crash To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100805.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:34:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091626.20@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On a different note, would it be possible to allow different vertical and > horizontal internal indents on frames in a future version please? I know > you can change frame shape to a polygon and then alter the internal indent > curve that way but the ability to change it from the Modify frame dialog > box would be handy and quicker. Well I guess this is possible, but I would say unlikely. I've noted it however. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:17 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34613 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:16 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857551396:9:11954:49; Wed, 05 Mar 97 08:43:16 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ag1128807; 5 Mar 97 8:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:08:34 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100834.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 09:55:16 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091906.09@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >This sounds to me like some sort of clash between Ovation Pro and > >something else. Can you do a shift-boot and see if anything in your > >boot sequence is interfering? > > Nice idea, Ian, but it doesn't work, not for me at any rate. I did a > shift-boot, and ran OvPro before anything else. Exactly the same thing > happened, which is the button bar scrolling, not scrolling or scrolling whe Well you'll see earlier that it did work for Mr Downs I think, so this is a bit of a strange one. If it was Ovation Pro specific you would expect most users to experience the problem. How about a clean install of the application after a shift-boot? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:20 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34614 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:18 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857551462:9:12356:48; Wed, 05 Mar 97 08:44:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ae1128807; 5 Mar 97 8:41 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:08:48 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: OP and JPEGs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970303.100848.67@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 10:02:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970303.091657.23@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is it me, or should OP print JPEGs as well as sprites? I was using LaserDirect > version 4.06 and OP 2.42 We're aware of a problem with jpeg support and laser direct. The jpegs print from draw using ld, but not from Ovation Pro. We're not aware of what we do differently from draw when printing and can only say that other applications fail with laser direct and jpegs. I would suggest implementing the change in the readme file that forces jpegs to be converted to sprite on import (you can then rotate them as a bonus). If we can find out where we are going wrong (if indeed we are) we'll fix it. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:29 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34618 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:28 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568820:10:17642:47; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:33:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ah1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:33 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:20:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Text around graphics To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092051.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:15:03 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >In message <19970303.091552.97@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >Things to try: force a reflow of the bodytext (change its point size). > On a slightly related note, I'm having quite a few problems with the screen updating (actually the screen NOT updating) when changing font size or font type. I have to scroll the page or use some other method to force a redraw to remove the artefacts from the window. John From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:32 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34619 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:31 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568831:9:06460:48; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:33:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ag1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:32 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:20:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Spellcheck To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092035.75@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 97 11:10:44 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there any way I can enable 'check as you type' by default, rather than having to select it every time I load OP? Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:34 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34620 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:33 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568831:10:17658:57; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:33:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aj1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:33 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:31:25 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Spellcheck To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.103125.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:39:04 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970305.092035.75@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Is there any way I can enable 'check as you type' by default, rather than > having to select it every time I load OP? Open new doc, set it up as you want, save as default. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:36 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34621 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:35 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568834:9:06438:54; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:33:54 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ai1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:33 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:22:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Index & Contents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092212.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:30:55 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >Can someone please inform me where the facility to auto create an Index and >Contents from within an Ov Pro document are. > Still in development I believe. It was to be included in the full release but this is now well behind schedule. (Ian, please correct me if I'm wrong) John From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:39 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34622 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:38 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568867:9:06709:68; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:34:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ak1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:34 GMT From:(Gavin McEvinney) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:20:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092019.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Mar 1997 11:49:20 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 25 Feb, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970225.083348.02@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > I have never got the button bar to scroll at 100% zoom. > > When using 100% zoom I have buttons off screen and cannot get to them, any > > ideas anybody? > > > > This sounds to me like some sort of clash between Ovation Pro and > something else. Can you do a shift-boot and see if anything in your > boot sequence is interfering? > -- St. Maurice's High School, Scotland, Tel: 01236 732 701 Fax: 01236 728 660 Email: d.sutherland@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:42 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34623 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:40 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568890:9:06460:159; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:34:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:34 GMT From:(Frank Lester) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:23:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: Rotated graphics/frames with ArcFax To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092300.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 12:56:16 +0100 (BST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have had problems with a rotated frame with sprite when I print to ArcFax. (I had a scanned picture that was 90degrees out ie N-S instead of required E-W and had to rotate it to get desired result). The result on printing to ArcFax is an upside down picture on the sent fax and also on the "view fax" function of ArcFax. It works OK if I rotate the sprite in the frame, but not when I rotate frame with sprite. Draw files seem OK. Printing above OVP document to Laser Direct is also OK. I am using V2.36. with printchoices2(1,0,0,0) (I use LaserDirect 4.06) ArcFax V1.16. Printers 1.53 -- Frank Lester "Omahanui" Waitangi Falls Road RD1 Waiuku,New Zealand From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:44 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34624 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:43 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568898:9:06709:141; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:34:58 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aq1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:34 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:21:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: Combining documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092156.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 97 11:54:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 How about a book list feature which uses a list of related files to generate a book, automatically re-numbering pages from one to another and including all the files when generating a table of contents or index. This is another feature of PageMaker which I use a fair bit. On the other hand I keep telling the PM folk about ease of galley and pamphlet printing in OPro (I think it might be in PM6.5 but I don't have that yet). Anthony ---------- To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: Combining documents Date: 03 March 1997 09:19 Apologies in advance if this has been asked before, but is there any way in which two OvationPro files can be merged, or one appended to another? Text or pictures can be imported via the clipboard separately, but this can be very tedious if many pictures and/or frames are involved, and the formating is of course lost. They are usually derived from the same original master document. Chris From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:47 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34625 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:45 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568904:9:07080:46; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:35:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ar1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:34 GMT From: waddell@which.net Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:22:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092228.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 1997 19:45:09 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 03 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970303.091610.04@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > At the moment Text and Graphics Frames play havoc with written text in a > > Document. > > I have tried using the Text run around Menu, but that is not the answer. > > Could we not go back to the old Ovation 'Make Transparent', or have I missed > > something in the Manual ? > > James > > Can you restate this perhaps with an example (not to the list)? I don't > understand the question, sorry. > Correct me if I am wrong, but is the object to be able to see text already in a document even though a text or graphic frame has been superimposed on it? If so, I set no run around and then modify the superimposed frame to show background colour as transparent. -- John Waddell, Langbank, Renfrewshire waddell@which.net From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:50 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34626 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:48 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568964:9:07452:49; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:36:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ax1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:35 GMT From: carl.cepurneek@cc.flinders.edu.au Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:23:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Borders To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092317.41@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:47:37 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Earlier, >Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote... >Unfortunately the borders in Ov Pro are not, how can I put it... aesthetically >satisfactory. > >Is there any way to import graphic borders into Ov Pro, if not is it a want >list item for future inclusion? This would also be on my >very< wish list. OP1's borders were better in a way in that one could at least edit for variation between corners and sides. I'd much prefer something like 4MAtion's !Poster drawfile format: Each corner is an (possibly group) object used once at the chosen scale, and each side is an object that is repeated (at scale) as often as necessary to surround the frame. Hence a border defined as little circles with have more or less of them depending on the frame size. Only for large border width and small frame size is any distortion noticable the repeated objects. The options for asymetry can be very attractive; say one fancy corner or variation between top/bottom and the sides. Don't know if this is how Impression did things. Could a script be written to do the job? I currently import a !Poster constructed frame as a drawfile graphic but have lost of course the flexibility of changing, say, only its size but not its width. Otherwise thrilled with OP!, Carl From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:53 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34627 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:51 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568967:9:07468:57; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:36:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ba1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:35 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:21:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: chapter starts on left To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092108.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:21:12 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >>> No, it prints page 1 on the right of the first page and page 2 on the >left of >>> the second page. I can't get a 2 page document to print pages 1 and 2 >side by >>> side. >> >>You can by specifying that the chapter starts on the left page, using the >>start on left option on the Modify chapter dialogue. > >I was needing this and hadn't worked it out. Thanks > I had an interesting one the other day where I had to create a pamphlet and I kept getting blank pages printed where no blank pages should be. The document appeared to be correct onscreen but when printed in pamphlet mode it was always wrong. I created a new blank document and copied and pasted everything into this and the problem was still there. As I had a tight deadline for a client I had to find a way of getting this thing to print. I was at the stage of printing each page individually and compositing on the photocopier using image reduction when I thought I'd give a new document another go. This time I tried a new document with no stylesheet (I rebuilt the stylesheet from scratch) and then copied and pasted as before. This time it worked - pamphlet printed perfectly. I'm not saying it was a bug (god knows I've done things incorrectly before) but I couldn't see what I had done to create this problem. I could only put it down to some corruption in the file which affected the stylesheet. I only bring it up here in case others find themselves in a similar predicament. John From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:55 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34628 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:54 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568968:9:07480:47; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:36:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aw1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:35 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:21:40 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Text in multiple column pages To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092140.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:28:04 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >David Pilling wrote: > >> Anthony Hilton; > >>>> Might be good as an optional feature, but probably dangerous for some >>>> people. > >>> But the continue button seems to have no function once the end of the >>> file has been reached. I cannot see the danger of re-starting a search >>> which has been through the document once. > >> Well I was imagining someone would just keep clicking on continue and go >> through their document a few times before they got bored or realised >> what was going on. At the end of the document the function of continue >> is to do nothing and so point out to you that you're at the end. > >A nice way to implement what is wanted, without risking confusing the >user, is to pop up a small alert box (I think that's the right term >for this) that says something like: "End of document reached: do you >wish to re-start your search from the top of the document?" There >would be the usual two buttons, either "Yes" and "No" or "Continue" >and "Cancel", depending on what all concerned (e.g. via this maillist) >thought better. > Sounds like a good solution to me. John From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:28:58 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34629 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:57 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568973:10:18764:50; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:36:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id av1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:35 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:21:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Continue in Find Replace dialogue To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092124.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 97 11:47:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Yes, this is the way PageMaker 5 works (and I hope 6.5) In addition PM holds the search and replace strings for the current session instead of deleting them every time the dialogue box is called up. I find this useful when setting a newsletter with a number of stories from a separate word-processor - import story 1, search and replace double returns with single, layout story, import story 2, search and replace double returns .... etc for all stories. (Hope I haven't snipped too much for understanding, but I have reset the subject line) Anthony ---------- John Michael Ward wrote A nice way to implement what is wanted, without risking confusing the user, is to pop up a small alert box (I think that's the right term for this) that says something like: "End of document reached: do you wish to re-start your search from the top of the document?" There would be the usual two buttons, either "Yes" and "No" or "Continue" and "Cancel", depending on what all concerned (e.g. via this maillist) thought better. I'm sure I've seen this kind of thing somewhere, and it did seem to cover all points raised in this thread. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:29:01 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34630 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:28:59 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857568979:10:18769:61; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:36:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bb1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:36 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 10:31:41 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Rotated graphics/frames with ArcFax To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.103141.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:53:43 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970305.092300.99@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have had problems with a rotated frame with sprite when I print to ArcFax. > (I had a scanned picture that was 90degrees out ie N-S instead of required E-W and had to > rotate it to get desired result). The result on printing to ArcFax is > an upside down picture on the sent fax and also on the "view fax" function of ArcFax. > It works OK if I rotate the sprite in the frame, but not when I rotate frame with sprite. > Draw files seem OK. > Printing above OVP document to Laser Direct is also OK. > I am using V2.36. with printchoices2(1,0,0,0) (I use LaserDirect 4.06) OK this is the relevant bit, this setting is only needed for LaserDirect. If you have it set for ordinary printer drivers like ArcFax you will get exactly what you describe. You can add the following to the !Choices script to ease the situation somewhat: string printer = "Printer$"; getenvs(printer); if(printer == "LBP4" || printer == "") printchoices2(1,0,0,0); else printchoices2(0,0,0,0); This should added directly after void main(void) and the original printchoices2 line should be removed. It reads the Printer$ environment variable and sets up printchoices2 accordingly. You will need to select the ArcFax printer driver, quit and reload Ovation Pro to make it work. If no driver is loaded the LaserDirect setting is activated, but you can change this if you like. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Mar 5 14:29:05 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA34631 for david ; Wed, 05 Mar 97 14:29:02 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 857569037:9:07929:46; Wed, 05 Mar 97 13:37:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id be1017101; 5 Mar 97 13:36 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 1997 09:22:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970305.092244.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Mar 97 20:21:27 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Alan Gray; >I have {open_menu(export_box(1))} defined as a Key macro for Shift_F3. >And, the key I use all the time, F3 as {savedocument("")}. Thats a quicker way. Maybe even a better way 8-) The slight downside is that you don't get the kepress appearing on the menu. Another good one, is to define a macro for C_PRINT as {printdocument()} and you then have a single key (Ctrl+Print) print function. J.Manfield; >I have tried using the Text run around Menu, but that is not the answer. >Could we not go back to the old Ovation 'Make Transparent', or have I missed >something in the Manual ? Transparent in the old program is equivalent to Runaround 'None' in OPro. Dave Symes; >Can someone please inform me where the facility to auto create an Index and >Contents from within an Ov Pro document are. On my hard disc, and they are not high priority to get finished. Jack Evans; >But as things stand, can you 'Save text story', ie as plain ASCII? I wanted >to do this today and found that apparently the only alternative to saving a >document normally is in DDL format. Yes, stick the caret in the story, and use 'Save Story' from the file menu. Ray Dawson; >I was under the (mistaken?) impression that Ovation Pro supported JPEGs. I had >a page with eight small images and so I dropped them into the frames as JPEG >files, which displayed Ok. >When I went to print the document, the whole computer hung. Removing the frames >with the JPEGs (saving them first) allowed it to print. No. OPro does support JPEG's. This problem is a feature of Turbo drivers and Laser Direct. I'm on risky ground here, because JPEG's do print to these from Draw. They do not however (in my experience) print from anything else e.g. Techwriter, Textease etc. Now we did some work on this, and came to no real conclusion. It could be Draw does something very clever like rendering via a sprite, or that it just does things differently. I wonder if anyone knows of JPEG's working to TD's from other programs? >I have noticed that in multi-column frames, only the first column has the left >hand inset - the other frames don't. >Is this intentional, or is it a drop off? Yes this is intentional. And it is also different to the old Ovation. >I have also had the situation where I haven't been able to delete local text >frames. It has happened when I have created a temporary frame to store some >text in while working. I've deleted the text, selected the frames and pressed >C_K, but they won't go. I tried setting the X, Y, H and W parameters to zero, >but they are still selectable with CS_Drag (although miniscule in size). It is >mainly cosmetic, but is there any other way to delete rogue frames? I'd try Delete from the edit menu just to be sure. Otherwise it's rather baffling. There's the catch of you selecting a frame and also at the same time something that can't be deleted. Setting the size to zero is not a good idea. Shifting the frame off the side of the page would be better. Save the document as DDL and hack out the frame in Edit. As Ian often says, let us have a look at the document... Roger Darlington; >When Ovation Pro is automatically saving my work, it completely ignores all >typed input from the keyboard, resulting in half a line of missing text, which >it does not recover after the saving. It doesn't use a keyboard buffer to >accept typed input whilst it is saving. I don't know, this is not intentional. Keyboard buffering will be as it ever is in the OS. It could be a bug in OPro which makes it flush the keyboard - but I'm not aware of this. Certainly someone somewhere will have a hard disc which switches off interupts during disc activity and loses key presses. Nick Day; >But then I notice >that page numbers and headers do not appear beyond the first page! Check the >original. There they are. Check this one. There they aren't. Set up with header missing on the first page? >How do I send all this to you? I have ArcFax which does file transfer. Also >somehow via FTP I guess ... Explain? Stick them in an archive, uucode it, and email it. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:01:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35152 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:01:54 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249351:06:02421:73; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:35:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ah0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:35 GMT From:(Jamie Lawrence) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:56:07 +0000 Organization: Subject: Symbol Shortcuts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095607.87@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 17:36:21 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Just a quick one. Is there any way to create a keyboard shortcut to symbols in, for example, the Sidney font without having to change fonts all the time, or use the Characters window? I'm sure its possible, even word can do it... Thanks, Jamie Lawrence. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:01:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35153 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:01:57 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249358:05:23545:52; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:35:58 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:35 GMT From: carl.cepurneek@cc.flinders.edu.au Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:57:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Index and Contents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095716.59@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:02:00 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 From a recent D Pilling post... >Dave Symes; >>Can someone please inform me where the facility to auto create an Index and >>Contents from within an Ov Pro document are. > >On my hard disc, and they are not high priority to get finished. Random thoughts: Would the ability to generate a list of bookmarks be a start, if it could include page number info and some set number of text characters after? cpc From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:03 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35155 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:02 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249362:06:02421:138; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:36:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:35 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:35:32 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: First find - what? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.103532.37@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:31:03 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970313.095821.62@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Question: how do I stop getting ligatures when I type 'fi'? It's very > clever, but a pain at times. I cannot see it in the index. You should have a Ligature option on the Applet submenu that you can untick. > An associated problem is that I cannot do a search for 'find' etc > because that character sequence isn't there! Noted -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35157 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:06 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249427:06:03040:47; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:37:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ab0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:36 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:56:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095624.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Mar 97 17:32:12 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Anthony Hilton; >In addition PM holds the search and replace strings for the current session >instead of deleting them every time the dialogue box is called up. I find >this useful when setting a newsletter with a number of stories from a I think you may want to hit F2, which in the Acorn way, goes back to the previous s&r strings. Ian McD; if(printer == "LBP4" || printer == "") Or LBP8 in my case. And I believe this also applies to any Turbo driver. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:11 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35159 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:09 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249442:06:03040:117; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:37:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id am0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:37 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:57:49 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Rotated graphics/frames with ArcFax To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095749.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 12:24:10 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970305.103141.99@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: [Stuff about modifying choices snipped] You can also set-up a couple of buttons to do the switching for you from one printchoices2 to another. I erroneously thought this needed to be done at start-up, but this is not the case. Here are the two buttons I set-up, they redefine printchoices2 and then open the print dialogue: defmacro(4,"LD","{printchoices2(1,0,0,0); openprintbox()}",""); defmacro(4,"AF","{printchoices2(0,0,0,0); openprintbox()}",""); With later version we should be able to make this change happen automatically depending on which driver is selected. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:16 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35161 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:14 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249446:05:25519:47; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:37:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id as0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:37 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:58:21 +0000 Organization: home Subject: First find - what? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095821.62@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 15:04:25 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Apologies for the obscure Subject, but I've had an interesting experience! I wrote a short something in OvPro, then exported the text to an editor for emailing. A reply has come back saying "what are 'rst' and 'le'?". "I suppose they are 'first' and 'file'?" They were, but they had been put in the text as ligatures and that sort of character doesn't email too well :-( Question: how do I stop getting ligatures when I type 'fi'? It's very clever, but a pain at times. I cannot see it in the index. An associated problem is that I cannot do a search for 'find' etc because that character sequence isn't there! -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35162 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:17 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249453:05:24046:79; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:37:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ba0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:37 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:35:16 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Symbol Shortcuts To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.103516.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:17:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970313.095607.87@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Just a quick one. > Is there any way to create a keyboard shortcut to symbols in, for > example, the Sidney font without having to change fonts all the time, > or use the Characters window? I'm sure its possible, even word can > do it... Setup the font you need as your single shift font (SSF), setup a keypress preceding the character code you want with {F10}. As standard with Selwyn as the SSF the key macro: {F10}h gives me a square bullet with shadow. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35163 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249484:05:25863:46; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:38:04 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bd0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:37 GMT From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:56:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Combining documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095659.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Mar 97 23:53:58 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 3 Mar 97 (09:19:54 +0000), cwragg@argonet.co.uk wrote: > Apologies in advance if this has been asked before, but is there any > way in which two OvationPro files can be merged, or one appended to > another? Text or pictures can be imported via the clipboard separately, > but this can be very tedious if many pictures and/or frames are > involved, and the formating is of course lost. They are usually derived > from the same original master document. How about dragging and dropping? Highlight or select than use Alt-select to move it. Just a thought. Keith -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/ | Physics Teacher struggling with For our latest news, services, prices | both Macs and Pentiums at school! - - 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: (44) 0181-892 9835 - - From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:24 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35164 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:22 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249504:06:03574:51; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:38:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id be0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:38 GMT From: carl.cepurneek@cc.flinders.edu.au Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:57:33 +0000 Organization: Subject: Selecting / deleting etc. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095733.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:23:01 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 D Pilling's comments on non deletable frames... >>mainly cosmetic, but is there any other way to delete rogue frames? > >I'd try Delete from the edit menu just to be sure. Otherwise it's rather >baffling. There's the catch of you selecting a frame and also at the same >time something that can't be deleted. The fact that the master frame (proper term?) can be selected, but not groupable etc) has had me foxed any number of times -- most recently when playing with the 'Arrange' applet. I realise that the number of objects selected is displayed in the little info-window but that's less help if one has lots of items selected. Maybe having the master frame >show< it's selected is better, even if it behaves as a special case. On a related note, is there a way to cycle through all objects other than click, clicking until its found? A 'selectnexthigher()' function? cpc From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:27 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35165 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:25 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249531:05:26359:52; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:38:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bh0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:38 GMT From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:58:38 +0000 Organization: Subject: Tab settings To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095838.98@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 97 21:25:44 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Sorry to be perverse.... No I'm not...either. I need some Tab advice. Okay, so I've set up my Tab positions in the Tabs dialogue window, and I can see and adjust the positions on the Tab ruler, when I click "Okay" obviously the Tab ruler is removed. I need to be able to see the Tab positions in the main document when I'm doing particular things. But there doesn't seem to be any way to get them visible on the main documents ruler... or anywhere for that matter. I've RTFM (rude version, 'co's I'm a grumpy old sod) and can find no particular reference that explains how the Tab positions can be made visible. And no I don't want to insert a thin frame at the top of the document, insert some Tab leader just to show where the Tabs should be. Needs to be normal tab marks on a ruler. As in most other WP type apps. Thanks Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:30 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35166 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:29 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249545:05:26501:48; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:39:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bi0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:38 GMT From:(Alan P Dawes) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:59:13 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Transparent frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095913.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 09:40:02 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 3 Mar 97 (09:16:10 +0000), arachne@argonet.co.uk wrote: >At the moment Text and Graphics Frames play havoc with written text in >a >Document. >I have tried using the Text run around Menu, but that is not the >answer. Could we not go back to the old Ovation 'Make Transparent', or >have I missed something in the Manual ? >James I had exactly the same problem when converting from Ovation to pro. I was producing Record of Achievement documents with a standard layout which I did not want changed when put text frames on top. In ovation setting the frame to transparent did this but a single command for this is missing from Ovpro. I found that the way to do it was: select frame, click menu button, goto object-Text flo and slecet RUNAROUND to be NONE. reselect menu goto Object - modify and select fill colour Transparent. The frame should now be transparent. Can the 'powers that be' reinstate a single selection for this. -- --. --. --. --. : : --- --- ---------------------------- |_| |_| | _ | | | | |_ | alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk | | |\ | | | | |\| | | and | | | \ |_| |_| | | |__ | lorraine.dawes@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:33 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35167 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:31 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249581:06:04073:46; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:39:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bm0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:39 GMT From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:56:43 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095643.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Mar 97 18:46:30 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Wed 5 Mar 97 (09:20:19 +0000), d.sutherland@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Tue 25 Feb, Ian MacDougall wrote: > > In message <19970225.083348.02@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > I have never got the button bar to scroll at 100% zoom. > > > When using 100% zoom I have buttons off screen and cannot get to > them, any > > > ideas anybody? I thought I had a problem like this a while ago, but I discovered the fault was me, not Ov Pro. If the mouse pointer was positioned just a bit too far right, and was just on to the vertical scroll bar the Buttons would not scroll leftwards. Also if the mouse pointer was resting more then 3mm to the left of the right hand end of the window (obviously inside the vertical scroll bar) the button bar would not scroll leftwards. This rule of thumb also applies to the left side of the window and button bar. Since I've been a little more careful with positioning the mouse pointer when needing to scroll the button bar the problem as it occurred for me, has now gone. Of course, when the boys arrange for us to have a two row (or more?) button bar with the next serious upgrade..... :-) Dave -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:36 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35168 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:34 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249597:06:04073:120; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:39:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bn0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:39 GMT From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:58:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095805.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:30:05 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >>I have also had the situation where I haven't been able to delete local text >>frames. It has happened when I have created a temporary frame to store some >>text in while working. I've deleted the text, selected the frames and pressed >>C_K, but they won't go. I tried setting the X, Y, H and W parameters to zero, >>but they are still selectable with CS_Drag (although miniscule in size). It is >>mainly cosmetic, but is there any other way to delete rogue frames? > >I'd try Delete from the edit menu just to be sure. Otherwise it's rather >baffling. There's the catch of you selecting a frame and also at the same >time something that can't be deleted. A specific example of this that I've done several times (and only worked out after a lot of head-scratching and looking at DDL!) is where you create a series of local frames and link them. Unlike Impression (AFAIR), you have to explicitly select the link (with the link tool) and delete it, before you can get rid of the frame. Is this a feature of Impression that OPro should follow (at least optionally)? What do other folk think? On a vaguely related point, it may have been mentioned before, but if the caret is in page 2.1, and you try to delete chapter 2, then if there's even only a *teensy* bit of chapter 1 on screen, 'delete current chapter' gets rid of chapter 1. Undo has stopped me cursing too much so far, but I can see a time when I press delete chapter just a split-second before an auto-save, and goes my work. Perhaps this is a case where OPro is a bit too clever about deciding which page I'm on... TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:39 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35169 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:37 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249608:06:04236:46; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:40:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bo0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:39 GMT From: cihowe@lucent.com Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:59:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: show invisibles etc To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095930.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:04:00 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Some remarks: I find import of formatted text stories from Impression via TransDDF is very strong, very reliable. I deselected choices->text->rename styles on the iconbar dialogue to control input of styles when importing several stories, avoid getting multiple unwanted styles. I think the cheap [e.g. Skyfall] fonts are fun but a false economy. Glyphs such as bullet are missing or in wrong place. With respect to Ovation, show invisibles such as paragraph symbol (|P'YONGYANG) appears not to work properly because the |P thing is missing from the display font (other special glyphs too). Whoops, missed with the spell checker in that last sentence. Shouldnt Ovation use a pure font such as homerton for the invisibles? E.g if you have dingbats on the go, the glyphs for the invisibles are used for something else? (Not a big prob, but fun to mention). When removing unwanted tabs, does some other program (Word or Impression) allow you to tear away stops off the top of the ruler as well as bottom, because I'm definitely in the top-tearing school? I'm using a 4meg A5000 and now I've cleaned up dross from the boot sequence, Ovation runs fine unless I have say run stuff (notably Impression) earlier that session. One artefact of maybe memory problems is some text escaping in a cavalier fashion rightward into the RH column in 2 column working. A re-boot clears. Maybe when Acorn have some new-wave machines (StrongArm preloaded + more memory & big discs as standard) Ill be tempted to upgrade. BTW I think the user group here is good; something Beebug should feel free to mention as a benefit to not only email participants, but all users because it both exposes and prioritises deficiencies and matches that with ongoing commitment from Beebug. kind regards Chris From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 13 14:02:43 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35170 for david ; Thu, 13 Mar 97 14:02:41 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 858249615:05:27273:45; Thu, 13 Mar 97 10:40:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id bq0523838; 13 Mar 97 10:40 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:58:56 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970313.095856.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 14:33:43 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 3 Mar 97 (10:08:34 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970303.091906.09@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > >> >This sounds to me like some sort of clash between Ovation Pro and >> >something else. Can you do a shift-boot and see if anything in your >> >boot sequence is interfering? >> >> Nice idea, Ian, but it doesn't work, not for me at any rate. I did a >> shift-boot, and ran OvPro before anything else. Exactly the same >thing >> happened, which is the button bar scrolling, not scrolling or >scrolling when "nudged". > >Well you'll see earlier that it did work for Mr Downs I think, so this >is a bit of a strange one. If it was Ovation Pro specific you would >expect most users to experience the problem. How about a clean install >of the application after a shift-boot? > No time to do his, I'm afraid, but I've tried a plain shift-boot again, to check that what did happen. A bit more detail; the button bar needs quite a bit of nudging to start scrolling, and then scrolls OK. This is one of the variations of what normally happens. By the way, it's not worth straw-grasping, but more of a nuisance. The reason why I originally posted on this is to see whether someone else had found a cure. you can't run OPro after a shift-boot till !System has been run, otherwise you get "system resources cannot be found". On a RiscPC there are all sorts of modules in !System which get installed, and I am sure many of us keep !CCShared here, for Turbo Drivers if for nothing else. Could any of these be the culprit? This /might/ explain why there seems to be so much difference between machines over this. I am non-techie, though a bit nosy, so I wonder if this makes sense to those who know? Apart from this, OPro is :-))))))) Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 13:45:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35949 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:45:05 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859280545:06:01609:44; Tue, 25 Mar 97 09:02:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ae0600943; 25 Mar 97 9:02 GMT From:(Mr Tony Haines) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:42:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: text dragging request To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134235.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 00:47:38 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Heres a thing. If you select text, you can only move or copy it directly if you drag/shift drag on some actual text. Even though the whole line is selected for left justified text, attempting to drag from after the last word de-selects it. Does anyone else do this or is it just me? Would it be possible to change this behaviour? Oh, and could someone mention the Ovation Pro web site URL because I seem to have lost it. Cheers Tony From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 13:45:08 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35950 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:45:07 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859280606:05:11425:46; Tue, 25 Mar 97 09:03:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id af0600943; 25 Mar 97 9:03 GMT From:(Nick Edgar) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:45:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: What's happened to the mail list? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134541.34@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:01:35 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Have all the problems with OP suddenly disappeared? I've had nothing since March 13th. I've even contacted Zynet who claim there is no problem with mail delivery. Is anyone else experiencing problems? -- Nick Edgar Email to: nick1@mail.zynet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 13:45:11 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35951 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:45:10 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859280642:06:02323:49; Tue, 25 Mar 97 09:04:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ag0600943; 25 Mar 97 9:03 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:59:15 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Active dates and templates To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.145916.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:08:04 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134145.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Is there any way of creating a template with the active date set so that > when you re-open the document later the active date is the date the > document was created from the template rather than the current date? I can't think of an easy way of doing this. A script to get the date and write it into a document or a DDL might be doable, though. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 13:45:13 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35952 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:45:12 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859280677:05:11959:44; Tue, 25 Mar 97 09:04:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ah0600943; 25 Mar 97 9:04 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:00:26 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: ImpKeys Macro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.150026.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:23:06 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134400.08@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Can anyone tell me where I can get the ImpKeys macro that is mentioned in > the ReadMe file with the 2.36 Upgrade? There is a reference to another > ReadMe file on Disc 5 but there were only two discs with the upgrade and th http://www.beebug.com/software/ovpro/filelib/filelib.html should do it, I think. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:45:32 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35966 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:45:28 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859303891:06:07169:53; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:31:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ae0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:31 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:40:47 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: First find - what? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134047.44@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:18:43 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970313.103532.37@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Question: how do I stop getting ligatures when I type 'fi'? It's very > > clever, but a pain at times. I cannot see it in the index. > > You should have a Ligature option on the Applet submenu that you can > untick. > So there was; I've unticked it - I cannot imagine why I had it there! Applets are a splendid system but can be a bit of a pain when they do something unexpected - by definition, there is nothing in the manual. Always look at the Applets menu when baffled? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:45:38 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35967 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:45:35 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859303922:05:04319:87; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:32:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id af0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:31 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:41:45 +0000 Organization: Empire Ridge Pty Ltd Subject: Active dates and templates To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134145.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:41:58 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there any way of creating a template with the active date set so that when you re-open the document later the active date is the date the document was created from the template rather than the current date? John --------------------------------------------------------------------- John Brand john@empire.com.au Manager - Multimedia/Data Management Empire Ridge Pty Ltd http://www.empireridge.com.au/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:45:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35969 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:45:40 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859303934:06:07446:44; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:32:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ag0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:32 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:42:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Possible print-stream corruption To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134201.66@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 12:15:35 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I have noticed a reproducible corruption of printing when I save a document while it's being printed. A line or more of garbage appears on the paper, at the time the file is being saved. S/A, !Printers 1.54, (no T/D), 'Print in background' set in the connections window in Printers. This ONLY happens if I have the 'printchoices(1,8505,250,200000)' line set in AutoRun.!Choices, and not in the default. ^^^ I wonder if others have noted this, or is it something in my set-up. Cheers, -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:03 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35971 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:01 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859303999:05:04962:64; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:33:19 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ah0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:32 GMT From:(Alan Partridge) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:43:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Superscript from Ovation to OvPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134325.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:55:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Hi, I've just imported an Ovation file into OvationPro. The file contains a large amount of superscript text (powers of ten, units such as watts per sq metre, etc). OvationPro correctly sets the text as superscript, but the vertical alignment is odd. The top of the superscript "14" in, for example, 10^14 aligns with the top of the normal "10." This looks a bit strange - the "14" should be higher. However, if I cut from this OvPro document and paste into a blank OvPro document, the alignment is OK. Any thoughts? Cheers. -- Alan Partridge, Physics Dept, Oban High School mailto:perdrix@obanphys.demon.co.uk Remember what the dormouse said ... From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35972 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304021:05:05171:45; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:33:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ai0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:33 GMT From:(Alan Adams +44 1327 356463) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:43:42 +0000 Organization: Subject: Text formatting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134342.99@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:43:33 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Chris wrote ----------------------------- I'm using a 4meg A5000 and now I've cleaned up dross from the boot sequence, Ovation runs fine unless I have say run stuff (notably Impression) earlier that session. One artefact of maybe memory problems is some text escaping in a cavalier fashion rightward into the RH column in 2 column working. A re-boot clears. ----------------------------------------- I am a new user of Ovation, using a StrongArm equipped RiscPC, with 20Meg of memory. I have seen this same problem, but had initially assumed it was something I had done. This means the problem exists on both 3.1 and 3.7 RiscOS, assuming Chris is on 3.1. Alan Adams From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:10 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35973 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:08 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304098:05:05753:45; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:34:58 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id ak0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:34 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:59:51 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: OVPro freezing RiscPC when Hidden Chars on To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.145951.53@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:17:54 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134308.63@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Reposting of Problem 2 - no solution has yet been posted. > ---------------------- > Here follows I hope a more detailed description of the problem. > > The problem of selecting a whole line by dragging across the Paragraph > marker (I have Hidden characters always showing) and then trying to use > <14pt> (or any size other than the one currently set), > freezes the whole machine and requires a reset. I'd thought we had covered this one, it was a bug and is now fixed. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:13 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35974 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:12 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304105:06:08517:47; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:35:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aj0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:33 GMT From:(Mike Robinson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:44:18 +0000 Organization: Subject: Printing Enhanced Justified Text To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134418.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:51:50 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Has anyone else noticed the following? Printing text that has enhanced justification set gives a right hand edge which is not lined up. It looks OK on screen but not on the print-out. Plain justification, with or without auto kerning is OK. I'm not using a second rate PD font but the basic Trinity font that everyone has. I'm using a Laserjet 4 plus, Printers 1.54 and Turbodriver on a StrongARM Risc PC but I doubt it is anything due to this set-up. -- Mike Robinson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------- 29 Roundel Street, Sheffield S9 3LE, England Tel/Fax: (0114) 2619 444 E-Mail: robinson@repartee.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35976 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:17 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304107:06:08503:52; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:35:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id al0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:34 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:00:08 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Superscript from Ovation to OvPro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.150008.05@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:21:11 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134325.31@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Hi, > > I've just imported an Ovation file into OvationPro. The file contains a > large amount of superscript text (powers of ten, units such as watts per sq > metre, etc). > > OvationPro correctly sets the text as superscript, but the vertical alignment > is odd. The top of the superscript "14" in, for example, 10^14 aligns with > the top of the normal "10." This looks a bit strange - the "14" should be > higher. > > However, if I cut from this OvPro document and paste into a blank OvPro > document, the alignment is OK. Yes I see this, I'll report it. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:21 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35977 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304181:05:06489:45; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:36:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id am0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:35 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:01:33 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: What's happened to the mail list? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.150133.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:55:14 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134541.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Have all the problems with OP suddenly disappeared? I've had nothing since March 13th. > > I've even contacted Zynet who claim there is no problem with mail > delivery. > > Is anyone else experiencing problems? > Yes me, in finding time to look through the list and answer the obvious ones. I also need to screen the list to stop all the subscription messages, irrelevant posts, posts with binaries attached etc etc getting through. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35978 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:22 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304195:05:06636:54; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:36:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id an0606179; 25 Mar 97 15:35 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:54:46 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Possible print-stream corruption To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.165446.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:52:08 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134201.66@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I have noticed a reproducible corruption of printing when I save a document > while it's being printed. A line or more of garbage appears on the paper, at > the time the file is being saved. Are you saving after the file has been spooled out to disc and is actually being printed or whilst it is being spooled out? If the latter, how? If the former can you produce the same effect by saving a large document from another application? You wouldn't have a SCSI hard disc would you? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:28 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35980 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:27 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304547:05:09652:46; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:42:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ab0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:42 GMT From:(Mike Robinson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:44:00 +0000 Organization: Subject: ImpKeys Macro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134400.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:08:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Can anyone tell me where I can get the ImpKeys macro that is mentioned in the ReadMe file with the 2.36 Upgrade? There is a reference to another ReadMe file on Disc 5 but there were only two discs with the upgrade and the original Disc 5 doesn't have anything about ImpKeys (as far as I can find!). I have tried the Ovation Pro applets web page but this only seems to give new and updated Applets. What about the not so new ones for those of us who haven't had time to get everything that is new when it is new? Is there anywhere (an ftp site perhaps) from where all the available applets/extensions can be obtained? Sorry if I'm showing my ingnorance but I'm fairly new to this list. -- Mike Robinson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------- 29 Roundel Street, Sheffield S9 3LE, England Tel/Fax: (0114) 2619 444 E-Mail: robinson@repartee.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:31 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35981 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:30 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304559:05:09674:63; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:42:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:41 GMT From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:42:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: First find - what? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134217.68@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 97 16:43:56 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 13 Mar 97 (10:35:32 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970313.095821.62@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> An associated problem is that I cannot do a search for 'find' etc >> because that character sequence isn't there! >Noted A mod to the find menu to include an "and ligatures" check box? ie typing "fi" into the search criteria would search for both 'f' 'I' and the 'fi' ligature. It could also be "only ligatures" to allow a search and replace of ligatures with 'normal' characters. SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk or camra@argonet.co.uk for CAMRA items ZFC A (still) * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventry Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * 4th and 5th April -lunch and evening sessions- * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:34 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35982 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:33 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304561:06:11250:47; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:42:41 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ac0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:42 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:45:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Cursor keys and object moving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134524.82@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 10:57:03 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I seem to remember in earlier versions, and certainly in the manual, being able to move selected objects, a pixel at a time, using the cursor keys. I don't seem to be able to do this in 2.42. Is it me or has the facility been removed? If so, please could we have it back again. It would be useful if, when several frames have been selected using adjust, Select All applied to the text in the selected frames and styles/effects could be applied to the text in all those frames. I appear not to understand tabs very well. If I select a Tab on the Tab ruler, say a left tab, and want to change it to a right tab, clicking on the right tab button and then Ok doesn't seem to change it. I have to first remove the left tab and then put a right tab in its place. Is this correct? Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:37 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35983 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:35 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304563:05:09806:45; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:42:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ad0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:59:33 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: text dragging request To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.145933.07@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:11:47 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134235.16@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > Heres a thing. > If you select text, you can only move or copy it directly > if you drag/shift drag on some actual text. Even though > the whole line is selected for left justified text, > attempting to drag from after the last word de-selects it. > Does anyone else do this or is it just me? > Would it be possible to change this behaviour? This seems to work OK for me, we did fix a few things with drag n drop so it could be a version thing. Does using the ALT key whilst dragging modify the behaviour? > Oh, and could someone mention the Ovation Pro web site URL > because I seem to have lost it. http://www.beebug.com/ -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:42 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35985 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:41 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304624:05:10351:61; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:43:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:43 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:54:28 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: RE:-Applet !Label 1.00 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.165428.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:47:57 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134128.14@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I installed the applet . It apeared on the aplet > menu. I opened a new document and entered my address in > it. I selected all the text, and then I chose the first > template. I then clicked on lable ...........and nothing > happened. You probably clicked on Label on the Applets menu, not Label#n on the Label menu, where n is the number of the label you are printing. > If I remove the middle coloume of windows from a > template and respace the others can I save it as a 2 X 8 > new template.? You need to load it so that the merge tags appear i.e. load it manually from inside the applet and renumber the merge tags so they are consecutive after you delete the various frames. You will need to save the final result as a DDL into the stationery directory within the applet. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:45 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35986 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:43 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304629:06:11603:62; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:43:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ae0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:00:42 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Printing Enhanced Justified Text To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.150042.90@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:37:09 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134418.06@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Has anyone else noticed the following? > > Printing text that has enhanced justification set gives a right hand edge > which is not lined up. It looks OK on screen but not on the print-out. > > Plain justification, with or without auto kerning is OK. > > I'm not using a second rate PD font but the basic Trinity font that everyone > has. > > I'm using a Laserjet 4 plus, Printers 1.54 and Turbodriver on a StrongARM > Risc PC but I doubt it is anything due to this set-up. Well I'd think again, I think I see this when I print using Laser Direct, but not when I print to a LaserJet using Acorn's driver. Can you print using an Acorn driver? Could we see your file to compare? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:48 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35987 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:46 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304642:05:10389:63; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:44:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id an0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:43 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:39:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: First find - what? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.133954.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 11:19:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Peter, This is one of those applets buried in the application which you can double click to disable and double click to re-enable. You need to re-start OPro to get the change to take effect. If you have ligatures and you want to search for them use the characters application to find the code for them (or does characters put them into the dialogue box?). I think the fi ligature is and the fl is . Anthony ---------- From: maillist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: First find - what? Date: 13 March 1997 09:58 Apologies for the obscure Subject, but I've had an interesting experience! I wrote a short something in OvPro, then exported the text to an editor for emailing. A reply has come back saying "what are 'rst' and 'le'?". "I suppose they are 'first' and 'file'?" They were, but they had been put in the text as ligatures and that sort of character doesn't email too well :-( Question: how do I stop getting ligatures when I type 'fi'? It's very clever, but a pain at times. I cannot see it in the index. An associated problem is that I cannot do a search for 'find' etc because that character sequence isn't there! Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:51 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35988 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:49 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304673:06:11885:52; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:44:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aq0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:44 GMT From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:41:28 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE:-Applet !Label 1.00 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134128.14@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 18:50:36 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I installed the applet . It apeared on the aplet menu. I opened a new document and entered my address in it. I selected all the text, and then I chose the first template. I then clicked on lable ...........and nothing happened. My system is an A3010, with os 3.11, 4 megs ram, HD 320 megs, O.P. 2.36, with background printing set. HP 500c printer. Whai am I doing wrong?/ what is wrong?. I have also tried the other templates ..... same effect. I then noticed that the first template nane had apeared on the main O.P. icon menu. Selecting any of the other templates does not change this. Clicking select on this name loads the template as a second document on the screen. I can then manually copy text into this, at any or all frames It will then print OK. If I remove the middle coloume of windows from a template and respace the others can I save it as a 2 X 8 new template.? Thanks for all your kind help John Percy Kerslake kerslake@SEECS.bangor.ac.uk Page 01426-235878 dysliexia rules k o Sorry My spell checker will not work with my mail package I am writing this at work on a sun From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:54 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35989 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:52 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304677:06:11885:116; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:44:37 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ao0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:44 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:40:12 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: A few niggles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134012.24@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 18:09:32 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 cpc; >Random thoughts: Would the ability to generate a list of bookmarks be a >start, if it could include page number info and some set number of text >characters after? Yes that would be one approach. A lot of the indexing code is already in the program. Another idea would simply be to create a style called 'index' mark the document up, and then have an applet which scanned through the document and outputed the index. All quite simple. But given that a 'proper' solution will appear one day, I don't know if I'd bother. >On a related note, is there a way to cycle through all objects other than >click, clicking until its found? A 'selectnexthigher()' function? Ctrl+Shift Select double click Dr. P.N. Young; >button bar not scrolling I think it may be more that the thing does not do quite what you expect or the scroll zone is a bit too precise. Try making the main window about half the width of the buttons, and then try clicking on a button within say 1/10th inch of each side. Do all this slowly. The logic being that if OPro knows about these clicks it knows about the location of the pointer and that it should be scrolling. There's plenty of scope for other explanations though. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:46:57 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35990 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:56 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304698:06:12007:59; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:44:58 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ar0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:44 GMT From:(Chris Wragg) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:42:51 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Combining documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134251.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 97 15:36:27 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 13 Mar 97 (09:56:59 +0000), keithp@argonet.co.uk wrote: > On Mon 3 Mar 97 (09:19:54 +0000), cwragg@argonet.co.uk wrote: > > is there any way in which two OvationPro files can be merged, > > or one appended to another? [snip] > How about dragging and dropping? Highlight or select than use > Alt-select to move it. Just a thought. This is easier than it was in the old Ovation, but it still takes time particularly in more complicated documents with numerous frames, and is essentially a manual process that needs automating. Since no one has yet offered an answer, I guess it has not been done, and is probably very difficult to achieve. However Anthony's suggestion ajh@yco.leeds.ac.uk was: > How about a book list feature which uses a list of related files to > generate a book, automatically re-numbering pages from one to another > and including all the files when generating a table of contents or > index. This would answer my problem extremely well. Any chance of it getting on the wish list? Chris -- --------------------------------------- Chris Wragg ...coming to you from an Acorn Risc PC! An Acorn on my desk for cwragg@argonet.co.uk Education Administration http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/cwragg ------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:47:01 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35991 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:46:59 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304707:05:11020:51; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:45:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ap0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:44 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:40:29 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Rotated graphics/frames with ArcFax To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134029.08@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 18:46:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Ian McD; >fixes for printing upside down with Laser Direct, Turbo Drivers, ArcFax. I reckon that if you stick this file in !OvnPro.Library, type b24, then printchoices2() will be set up automatically. You'll need to add or replace your printer type where LBP8 etc. go. There's been some debate as to if 2.36 has the necessary events. However we had a similar fix for background blending back in October, so probably OK. ----------------------------------8<--------------------------------------- //->!printfix void printfix22(int user, int file) { string printer = "Printer$"; getenvs(printer); if(printer == "LBP4" || printer == "" || printer=="LBP8") printchoices2(1,0,0,0); else printchoices2(0,0,0,0); } void main(void) { int EVENT_PRSTART=0x10c; addeventhandler(EVENT_PRSTART, 0, "printfix22"); } ----------------------------------8<--------------------------------------- David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 25 17:47:18 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA35992 for david ; Tue, 25 Mar 97 17:47:02 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859304711:05:11002:53; Tue, 25 Mar 97 15:45:11 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id as0509358; 25 Mar 97 15:44 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:00:59 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Frame inset To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.150059.92@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:40:09 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134435.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > It wouldn't be so bad if the vertical and horizontal indents that Ovation > Pro forces us to have appeared equal but whatever the value chosen for the > inset, there always appears to be a greater space above the top line of any > text than that at the sides. > > I generally have all my frames set with a zero inset unless it has a border, > but I seem to be quite unable to get text up to the very top of a frame. > This is particularly annoying if I want to have a block of text with the top > edge lined up with a bordered frame or a graphic. Of course I can achieve > this if I make the top edge of the text frame higher than the adjoining > frame(s) but I have to find the exact position by trial and error rather > than the much easier snap to frame feature. We've had complaints about this I think because of what Impression does. It appears that Impression does not take into account the overall bounding box of a font when it plots text in a frame. This is grand when the largest character is a capital A, but if the A has an accent the accent gets trimmed. In allowing for this the top line of text in our frames will never touch the inside of a frame (unless you modify the font I guess). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 13:56:59 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36168 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:56:55 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859452168:09:23258:47; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:42:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ac1022146; 27 Mar 97 8:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:01:16 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Cursor keys and object moving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.150116.46@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:51:56 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134524.82@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I seem to remember in earlier versions, and certainly in the manual, being able > to move selected objects, a pixel at a time, using the cursor keys. I don't > seem to be able to do this in 2.42. Is it me or has the facility been removed? > If so, please could we have it back again. Seems to work for me, any odd little modules loaded on boot-up? > It would be useful if, when several frames have been selected using adjust, > Select All applied to the text in the selected frames and styles/effects could > be applied to the text in all those frames. You would then lose the ability to affect the frames as a selection (add border for example). > I appear not to understand tabs very well. If I select a Tab on the Tab ruler, > say a left tab, and want to change it to a right tab, clicking on the right tab > button and then Ok doesn't seem to change it. I have to first remove the left > tab and then put a right tab in its place. Is this correct? Yes. Seems you understand them better than you think. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 13:57:07 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36169 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:57:05 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859452207:10:22779:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:43:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ab1022146; 27 Mar 97 8:43 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:41:05 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling, or not. To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134105.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 17:44:00 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 13 Mar 97 (09:56:43 +0000), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: >I thought I had a problem like this a while ago, but I discovered the >fault was me, not Ov Pro. > >If the mouse pointer was positioned just a bit too far right, and was >just on to the vertical scroll bar the Buttons would not scroll >leftwards. >Also if the mouse pointer was resting more then 3mm to the left of the >right hand end of the window (obviously inside the vertical scroll bar) >the button bar would not scroll leftwards. > >This rule of thumb also applies to the left side of the window and >button bar. > >Since I've been a little more careful with positioning the mouse >pointer when needing to scroll the button bar the problem as it >occurred for me, has now >gone. > So it has for me too, cor blimey! The trick seems to be to creep up slowly to the edge of the button bar, not to rush at it, and then it scrolls every time. Is this why different people have different degrees of this trouble? For instance, would different screen modes cause more or less of this trouble because of the number of pixels per unit distabce? (probably talking rubbish :-( ). Rubbish or not, thanks to all for solving a problem. Peter. -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 13:57:12 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36171 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:57:10 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859452307:09:23922:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:45:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ag1022146; 27 Mar 97 8:44 GMT From:(Hank van der Wijngaart) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:43:08 +0000 Organization: Subject: OVPro freezing RiscPC when Hidden Chars on To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134308.63@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:45:47 +1100 (EST) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R To subscribers to the OVPro Mailing List; Cause of previously posted Problem 1. ------------------------------------- A solution to problem that I have posted before w.r.t not being able to links between frames. I am running a RiscPC with StrongARM and OvPro v2.36 When I have a linked frame, I can not delete the link if Keymod is ON. I have discovered that running 'Keymod' is the cause of the problem. When you '*Keymod off' the problem dissapears ie. You can the links and then you can '*Keymod On' again. 'PC style delete' seems to prevent the ing of selected links. Any solution to this problem other than turning 'keymod off' everytime I want to delete a Link to another text frame? ============================================== Reposting of Problem 2 - no solution has yet been posted. ---------------------- Here follows I hope a more detailed description of the problem. The problem of selecting a whole line by dragging across the Paragraph marker (I have Hidden characters always showing) and then trying to use <14pt> (or any size other than the one currently set), freezes the whole machine and requires a reset. This only occurs; If it is a blank line, ie. Nothing else on that line except the Paragraph marker. If a line has any character on it, even just a single space it does not seem to happen. If I put a space on the otherwise fresh blank line and then delete that space, the machine does not freeze. If I 'Hide' the invisible characters, the problem DOES NOT Occur!!! If, with Invisibles On, I select a group of lines that include any blank lines with nothing previously type on them, eg , , , an attempt to set the font size as described above, freeezes the machine! Can anybody else duplicate this crash? I can adinfinitum. Is there a solution? Regards, Hank van der Wijngaart ------------------------------------------------ 'StrongARMed and dangerous' =================================================== This message was sent using a RiscPC powered by a 200MHz StongARM processor. A fast and powerful 32 bit RISC machine. First released in 1987!! Only now is Win 95 and WinNT sort of catching up! =================================================== __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_@-@.--< `--'\ \ <___/. \ \\ " / >=\\_/`< /= | \_|/ _/=== \___/ /=/~\====\ Hank =================================================== From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 13:57:18 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36173 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 13:57:15 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859452562:10:24901:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 08:49:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1024810; 27 Mar 97 8:49 GMT From:(Mike Robinson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:44:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Frame inset To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970324.134435.27@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:39:56 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 03 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970303.091626.20@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > On a different note, would it be possible to allow different vertical and > > horizontal internal indents on frames in a future version please? I know > > you can change frame shape to a polygon and then alter the internal indent > > curve that way but the ability to change it from the Modify frame dialog > > box would be handy and quicker. > > Well I guess this is possible, but I would say unlikely. I've noted it > however. > I'm very disappointed that Ian says this is unlikely as it is one of the major niggles I have about the otherwise excellent Ovation Pro compared with Impression. It wouldn't be so bad if the vertical and horizontal indents that Ovation Pro forces us to have appeared equal but whatever the value chosen for the inset, there always appears to be a greater space above the top line of any text than that at the sides. I generally have all my frames set with a zero inset unless it has a border, but I seem to be quite unable to get text up to the very top of a frame. This is particularly annoying if I want to have a block of text with the top edge lined up with a bordered frame or a graphic. Of course I can achieve this if I make the top edge of the text frame higher than the adjoining frame(s) but I have to find the exact position by trial and error rather than the much easier snap to frame feature. Similarly, I would very much like to have the ability to set individual repel text values for each side of a frame a la Impression. I know the standoff curve feature is much more versatile and excellent, but the option to set simple offsets for each side would be easier for most cases. Also, it would be much more convenient to have this in the 'modify frame' dialogue box rather than a seperate menu item (Object>Text Flow). -- Mike Robinson ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------- 29 Roundel Street, Sheffield S9 3LE, England Tel/Fax: (0114) 2619 444 E-Mail: robinson@repartee.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:08 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36185 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:05 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471703:09:05352:47; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:08:23 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ae1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:08 GMT From:(David Duffey) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:16:59 +0000 Organization: Subject: spreadsheet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131659.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 13:15:11 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Is there a reasonable spreadsheet which can be used in conjuction with OP? DJD -- The family Duffey: our address is: 107....PE1 3LE (England) and we have a phone/fax machine.... (+44) (0)1733 52791 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:14 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36186 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:11 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471733:09:05528:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:08:53 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ai1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:08 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:18:45 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: What's happened to the mail list? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131845.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:57:51 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134541.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Have all the problems with OP suddenly disappeared? I've had nothing since March 13th. > Ian been on his hols? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:20 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36187 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:17 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471762:10:12966:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:09:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ak1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:09 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:00:07 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Text formatting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.140007.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:57:55 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970327.132244.56@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > A few days ago I ended up with text running rightwards -- completely off > the page! When the pastboard was enabled the text was visible and editable > I didnt think to save the file but have a screen shot of it; would that be > of any diagnostic value? Not much I wouldn't have thought, unless David says any different. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:27 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36188 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:24 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471766:10:12981:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:09:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aj1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:08 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:59:35 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: What's happened to the mail list? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.135935.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:36:56 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970327.131845.19@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970324.134541.34@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Have all the problems with OP suddenly disappeared? I've had nothing since March 13th. > > > > Ian been on his hols? > I wish :( -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:39 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36190 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:36 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471830:09:06073:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:10:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id aw1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:10 GMT From:(Anthony Hilton) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:17:17 +0000 Organization: Subject: RE: What's happened to the mail list? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131717.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 11:16:00 gmt X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Yes I have noticed the same. I don't think it is a problem more the way the list runs. I get a batch of messages every 10 days or so. Also they often arrive in reverse order so I see a response before the original question. Anthony ---------- From: maillist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Subject: What's happened to the mail list? Date: 24 March 1997 13:45 Have all the problems with OP suddenly disappeared? I've had nothing since March 13th. I've even contacted Zynet who claim there is no problem with mail delivery. Is anyone else experiencing problems? -- Nick Edgar Email to: nick1@mail.zynet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:45 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36191 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:43 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471856:10:13655:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:10:56 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ax1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:10 GMT From:(Mr J P Kerslake) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:17:52 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re:Label 1.00 To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131752.49@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 09:46:25 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I have an a3010 4 meg 320 med HD, OvPro 2.3630-sept 96). I have opened a blank douument. I placed my address in the document. Higlited the text. I then clicked on Lables selected the first template. I then selected all labels. Nothing apeared to happen. I have tried all the other templates. The only affect that has happened is that when I "menu" on the Ov Pro icon there is an exter entry for the first template. This template comes up when i select it but without any text in it. The only way I can get text into the labels is using a manual copy & paste. Help. Thanks John P. Kerslake. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:52 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36192 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:49 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471867:09:06355:47; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:11:07 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ay1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:10 GMT From:(Alf Chamings) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:18:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Active dates and templates To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131810.11@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:53:53 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 24 Mar, Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970324.134145.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Is there any way of creating a template with the active date set so that > > when you re-open the document later the active date is the date the > > document was created from the template rather than the current date? > > I can't think of an easy way of doing this. A script to get the date > and write it into a document or a DDL might be doable, though. > I don't understand. Is this a problem because hitting 'CTRL D' is too time consuming? Alf -- mailto:AlfChamings@ed.ac.uk Health and Safety for the Royal Infirmary of Edinburgh tel +44 131 536 3251 fax +44 131 536 3283 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:30:58 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36193 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:30:55 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471884:09:06355:123; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:11:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ba1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:11 GMT From:( Phil Hetherington) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:21:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Transfer of OvaPro docs to other Word Processors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132153.03@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 11:02:47 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 With Impression I can save documents in RTF or WordPerfect format that can then be transferred by disc to Windows 95 type PC's and read into their word processors. Is there sny way this can be done by Ovation Pro? Are any suitable applets available? Philip Hetherington -- Phil Hetherington - turned 79 -feeling 14 - Voyaging to Looking Glass World on the good ship Argo ZFC G+ StrongArm+Riscos -philhet@argonet.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:01 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36194 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:00 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471888:10:13868:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:11:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id az1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:10 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:19:02 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Cursor keys and object moving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131902.50@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:58:22 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134524.82@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I appear not to understand tabs very well. If I select a Tab on the Tab ruler, > say a left tab, and want to change it to a right tab, clicking on the right tab > button and then Ok doesn't seem to change it. I have to first remove the left > tab and then put a right tab in its place. Is this correct? > I don't know if it's right or not (seems likely) but I have to do the same. Neither do I understand them often - they can have a mind all of their little own :-) -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:05 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36195 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:03 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471898:09:06453:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:11:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bb1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:11 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:59:19 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Problem with effects and styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.135919.23@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:35:28 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970327.131734.89@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Anyone spotted this problem (ver. 2.36)? > > If you change a text attribute with an /effect/, the same attribute can > no longer be changed by a /style/. Say you have a style which changes font > and turns on italic; if you've used Shift-Ctrl-I to toggle into and out > of italic earlier in your document, your style will change font, but > can't turn on italic. Can't see this one, document showing the problem perhaps? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:08 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36196 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:06 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471945:09:06783:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:12:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bj1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:12 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:18:27 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: text dragging request To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131827.91@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:05:40 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.134235.16@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > If you select text, you can only move or copy it directly > if you drag/shift drag on some actual text. Even though > the whole line is selected for left justified text, > attempting to drag from after the last word de-selects it. Surely this is standard RISC OS guidelines behaviour? If you click outside a selected area, you lose it, no? However, I have tried this in Impression and *sometimes* what you suggest actually happens. But then, Impression never reckoned to follow any guidelines. > Oh, and could someone mention the Ovation Pro web site URL > because I seem to have lost it. http://www.beebug.com/ plus some other bits -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:13 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36197 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:11 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471979:09:06911:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:12:59 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bk1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:12 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:19:19 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Printing Enhanced Justified Text To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131919.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:08:26 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.150042.90@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970324.134418.06@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > Has anyone else noticed the following? > > > > Printing text that has enhanced justification set gives a right hand edge > > which is not lined up. It looks OK on screen but not on the print-out. > > > > Plain justification, with or without auto kerning is OK. > > > > Well I'd think again, I think I see this when I print using Laser Direct, > but not when I print to a LaserJet using Acorn's driver. Can you print > using an Acorn driver? > I've tried it with my HP 5L and Acorn driver - no problem, lines up perfectly. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:16 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36198 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:14 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471985:10:14713:46; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:05 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bl1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:12 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:19:53 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: text dragging request To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131953.55@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 20:02:42 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970324.145933.07@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > In message <19970324.134235.16@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > > > Heres a thing. > > If you select text, you can only move or copy it directly > > if you drag/shift drag on some actual text. Even though > > the whole line is selected for left justified text, > > attempting to drag from after the last word de-selects it. > > Does anyone else do this or is it just me? > > Would it be possible to change this behaviour? > > This seems to work OK for me, we did fix a few things with > drag n drop so it could be a version thing. Does using > the ALT key whilst dragging modify the behaviour? > I had another go and yes, Alt makes quite a difference. If it's held down then I (2.36) can drag from a point off to the right of a selected line. It only works with a complete line selected. -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:19 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36199 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:18 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471988:10:14863:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bm1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:12 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:20:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Possible print-stream corruption To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132025.25@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 19:38:04 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 24 Mar 97 (16:54:46 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: .... in answer to my complaint:- >> I have noticed a reproducible corruption of printing when I save a >>document while it's being printed. A line or more of garbage appears on the >>paper, at the time the file is being saved. >Are you saving after the file has been spooled out to disc and is >actually being printed or whilst it is being spooled out? If the >latter, how? If the former can you produce the same effect by saving a large >document from another application? You wouldn't have a SCSI hard disc would >you? After all activity *appears* to have stopped but before printing is complete. I *think* other saves also have this effect while printing is going on. And yes... this is dealing with Power-tec SCSI2. -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:23 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36200 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:22 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859471994:09:07061:51; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bn1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:13 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:20:43 +0000 Organization: Empire Ridge Pty Ltd Subject: Re: Possible print-stream corruption To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132043.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:02:11 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Dr A G Gray wrote: > > I have noticed a reproducible corruption of printing when I save a document > while it's being printed. A line or more of garbage appears on the paper, at > the time the file is being saved. > > S/A, !Printers 1.54, (no T/D), 'Print in background' set in the connections > window in Printers. > > This ONLY happens if I have the 'printchoices(1,8505,250,200000)' line set in > AutoRun.!Choices, and not in the default. ^^^ > > I wonder if others have noted this, or is it something in my set-up. > What type of printer are you using? I tried it with Postscript printing and it works fine. John --------------------------------------------------------------------- John Brand john@empire.com.au Manager - Multimedia/Data Management Empire Ridge Pty Ltd http://www.empireridge.com.au/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:27 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36201 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:25 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472004:09:07123:50; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:24 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id an1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:13 GMT From:(John Brand) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:21:00 +0000 Organization: Empire Ridge Pty Ltd Subject: Re: Combining documents To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132100.81@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:04:00 +1000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Chris Wragg wrote: > > > > How about a book list feature which uses a list of related files to > > generate a book, automatically re-numbering pages from one to another > > and including all the files when generating a table of contents or > > index. > > This would answer my problem extremely well. Any chance of it getting > on the wish list? > This sounds like a good idea and quite achieveable with an applet (though don't hold me to that statement until I actually sit down and try and write it...). I'll give it a shot. John --------------------------------------------------------------------- John Brand john@empire.com.au Manager - Multimedia/Data Management Empire Ridge Pty Ltd http://www.empireridge.com.au/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:30 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36202 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:28 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472019:10:15093:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:13:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bo1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:13 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:21:18 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Possible print-stream corruption To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132118.29@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 21:10:04 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 >I have noticed a reproducible corruption of printing when I save a document >while it's being printed. A line or more of garbage appears on the paper, at >the time the file is being saved. Assuming this is whilst the spool file is being fed out to the printer, rather than while the document is being rendered. A nice feature of OPro is that it does 'whole file saves' - in other words the document is a contiguous piece of memory which is saved as a file. This is fast, benefits compressed filing systems, etc. but it will be a stiff test of interupt handling for big files. For testing porpoises Edit works like that too. I can see we'll have to bring back the old system. Open file, write a bit, have a think, write a bit more, have a think,... close file. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:33 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36203 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:31 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472066:10:15432:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:14:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bu1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:14 GMT From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:17:34 +0000 Organization: Subject: Problem with effects and styles To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131734.89@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:26:40 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Anyone spotted this problem (ver. 2.36)? If you change a text attribute with an /effect/, the same attribute can no longer be changed by a /style/. Say you have a style which changes font and turns on italic; if you've used Shift-Ctrl-I to toggle into and out of italic earlier in your document, your style will change font, but can't turn on italic. If you've used the Text/Font menu to change font, your style won't be able to change the font, either. You can still change any attribute using effects. Worse, changing attributes using the script language (say setfont()) has the same effect. Try making a fraction using the Applet menu: that switches into Sidney to type the slash character, then switches back to the previous font. But then your'e /stuck/ in that font. Is this a bug? If it's a feature, it's a very annoying one! -- __ Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK /\ \ Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 / /\ \ \ \/ / Queens' Ball: http://www.bowlhead.demon.co.uk/mayball \/ / / /\ mailto:rjet1@cam.ac.uk |_/\_\ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:36 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36204 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:34 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472068:09:07495:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:14:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bv1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:14 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:19:36 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Cursor keys and object moving To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.131936.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 18:16:54 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 RayDawson; >I seem to remember in earlier versions, and certainly in the manual, being able >to move selected objects, a pixel at a time, using the cursor keys. I don't >seem to be able to do this in 2.42. Is it me or has the facility been removed? >If so, please could we have it back again. This is only true if a drag is taking place at the time. I've no reason to suspect that 2.42 should be different to any other version. Maybe a good idea to make it so that cursor keys always did moves - then again, you have the bump buttons on the info palette. >I appear not to understand tabs very well. If I select a Tab on the Tab ruler, >say a left tab, and want to change it to a right tab, clicking on the right tab >button and then Ok doesn't seem to change it. I have to first remove the left >tab and then put a right tab in its place. Is this correct? That is correct. Although the other behaviour might be nicer. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:40 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36205 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:38 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472102:09:07660:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:15:02 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bx1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:14 GMT From: carl.cepurneek@cc.flinders.edu.au Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:22:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Text formatting To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132244.56@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:46:44 +0930 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 >Chris wrote ----------------------------- .... >Impression) earlier that session. One artefact of maybe memory problems >is some text escaping in a cavalier fashion rightward into the RH >column in 2 column working. A re-boot clears. .... A few days ago I ended up with text running rightwards -- completely off the page! When the pastboard was enabled the text was visible and editable extended about a quarter of the single main frame width. A curious feature was that srcolling leftwards would not cause a redraw of missing sections. Eg. I adjusted the window to show just a fraction of the pasteboard on the right, scrolled down to the strange paragraph and then to the left. Result: lines and letters cut down along the the previous window margin. FOrcing a redraw with a mode change and they were there intact. Sorry don't remember what I was doing exactly -- other than demoing OPro to a prospective purchaser. He was sufficiently overall impressed to not seem worried by this strange display. :-) BTW this was on a StrongARM RiscPC, Photodesk runing as well, but certainly not Impression. I didnt think to save the file but have a screen shot of it; would that be of any diagnostic value? cpc From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:43 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36206 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:41 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472122:10:15848:49; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:15:22 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id by1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:14 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:59:51 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Possible print-stream corruption To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.135951.16@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:38:52 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970327.132025.25@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > On Mon 24 Mar 97 (16:54:46 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: > > ... in answer to my complaint:- > > >> I have noticed a reproducible corruption of printing when I save a > >>document while it's being printed. A line or more of garbage appears on the > >>paper, at the time the file is being saved. > > >Are you saving after the file has been spooled out to disc and is > >actually being printed or whilst it is being spooled out? If the > >latter, how? If the former can you produce the same effect by saving a large > >document from another application? You wouldn't have a SCSI hard disc would > >you? > > After all activity *appears* to have stopped but before printing is complete. OK that's what I thought you meant. > I *think* other saves also have this effect while printing is going on. If this is the case i.e. another application saving causes a corruption then it points the finger at interaction of the filing system and printing. > And yes... this is dealing with Power-tec SCSI2. You can tell I'm surprised can't you? Most of the unresolved reported problems we have involve SCSI in some way. I would say that if you can reproduce a corruption of printing whilst saving a large file from Edit for example then you should contact Power-tec and ask them what they think. It would be useful to know their response. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:47 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36207 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:45 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472128:09:07776:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:15:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id bw1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:14 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:20:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Active dates and templates To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132009.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 16:02:02 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Mon 24 Mar 97 (14:59:15 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970324.134145.27@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > >> Is there any way of creating a template with the active date set so >that >> when you re-open the document later the active date is the date the >> document was created from the template rather than the current date? > >I can't think of an easy way of doing this. A script to get the date >and write it into a document or a DDL might be doable, though. On a similar subject, I have the active date right justified in several different stationery templates and it is a pain when the number of characters in the date changes. The date, instead of remaining right justified to the new date, retains the position of the original date and moves accordingly inside or outside of the frame. This with version 2.42. Ray D -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:50 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36208 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:48 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472148:10:16033:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:15:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id cb1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:15 GMT From:(Dr. P.N. Young) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:22:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Button bar scrolling at last! To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132209.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 18:56:06 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 This is a copy of one I wrote about 2 weeks ago, which doesn't seem to have made it onto the list. As it finishes this subject, I thought it ought to go! >On Thu 13 Mar 97 (09:56:43 +0000), df.symes@argonet.co.uk wrote: > >>I thought I had a problem like this a while ago, but I discovered the >>fault was me, not Ov Pro. >> >>If the mouse pointer was positioned just a bit too far right, and was >>just on to the vertical scroll bar the Buttons would not scroll >>leftwards. >>Also if the mouse pointer was resting more then 3mm to the left of the >>right hand end of the window (obviously inside the vertical scroll >bar) >>the button bar would not scroll leftwards. >> >>This rule of thumb also applies to the left side of the window and >>button bar. >> >>Since I've been a little more careful with positioning the mouse >>pointer when needing to scroll the button bar the problem as it >>occurred for me, has now >>gone. >> > > >So it has for me too, cor blimey! The trick seems to be to creep up >slowly to the edge of the button bar, not to rush at it, and then it >scrolls every time. Is this why different people have different degrees >of this trouble? For instance, would different screen modes cause more >or less of this trouble because of the number of pixels per unit >distance? (probably talking rubbish :-( ). Rubbish or not, thanks to >all for solving a problem. > >Peter. > > -- Peter \ / \ 112,Linden Ave., Prestbury, Cheltenham, Anne \ / __ __ \ Glos. GL52 3DS, England. Cecilia / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ +44 (0)1242-520459 James / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \_____________ pnyoung@argonet.co.uk. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:54 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36209 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:52 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472155:10:16161:44; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:15:55 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id av1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:15 GMT From:(D.A.Symes) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:22:27 +0000 Organization: Subject: Forcing TextFlow To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132227.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 97 21:17:10 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 This is gonna be difficult to explain without piccies. Chapt1 is a default A4 writing page. Change chapter to chapt 2. I need to modify the master page for chapt 2 (I can do that, it's not the problem) I want the standard A4 writing page frame, to contain another smaller frame within it. I need the text in this smaller frame to flow on to additional pages as they are created, in the same way that the text flows when the standard A4 page fills up. I cannot seem to make this happen. Is it possible? I've spent quite a bit of time trying.... :-( thanks Dave _________________________________ | Quick guide to Venusian | | The venusian language is a | | really difficult to learn ... | | etc __________________ | | etc |Wokil bilbu ad | etc | | etc |atu vioe abu-n | etc | | etc |ad wokaa enue ad| etc | | etc |Citu kadro ankau| etc | | etc |bezonas teksfluo| etc | | So that when the text from either frame fills its frame, it creates a new page and frames for the text to flow into. Nb: Could be done in Impression junior, but never managed it in Style or Publisher. Thanks D. -- _________________________________________________________________________ ....ARGONET /...Internet access for all Acorn RISC machines.... Dave Symes... df.symes@argonet.co.uk Phone/Fax (01202) 432 489 ...Mem...Clan Acorn... ZFC A almost B... Mem...BSFA and others... Don't do today, what you can put off until tomorrow. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:31:58 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36210 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:55 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472190:09:08146:48; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:16:30 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ag1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:16 GMT From: r.w.darlington@acoustics.salford.ac.uk Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:21:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: RTF files and Greek characters To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.132135.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 26 Mar 97 9:03 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Dear Ian, Would you please ensure that the person who writes the TransRTF module reads this message and investigates. With regard to the 'GREEK' bug that I am just about to relate, the Old TransRTF module version 1.81 works perfectly in this regard, but the new TransRTF module version 1.82 does not. THE GREEK BUG: I have an RTF file that uses Greek letters within an English text that works perfectly producing Greek letters where they should appear using the Archimedes 'Symbol' font, when Ovation Pro (version 2.42) is used with TransRTF module version 1.81. However, using the same Ovation Pro with the brand new TransRTF version 1.82, none of the letters that are supposed to appear in Greek actually do so. I have looked in the TransRTF module and found a 'font mapping' file to see if I can find out why it does this, but both 1.81 and 1.82 font mapping files are identical. So, whatever bugs have been fixed in going from TransRTF 1.81 to 1.82, another bug has replaced them! We seem to be going backwards. If I knew how to send you this RTF file by e-mail, I would, so instead I shall quote verbatim what I believe to be the relevant factors. RTF file: {\rtf1\ansi {\deff0{\fonttbl{\f0\ftech Symbol;}{\f1\froman Times New Roman;}{\f2\fswiss Swiss;}}{f1 \par NEUTRON STARS\par The next sentence should be in Greek letters. }{\f0 This is Greek. }{\f1 This is in English again. }} ------------------------------------------------------------ The next bug I shall relate I shall call 'THE TITLE BUG' which is present in BOTH 1.81 and 1.82 versions of TransRTF. THE TITLE BUG In the example above, 'NEUTRON STARS' is the title, and I want it to appear on the very first line in Ovation Pro. It appears on the second line because of the preceding \par command. By omitting the preceding \par command, you might think that Ovation Pro would then print the title 'NEUTRON STARS' on the very first line. Of course, IT DOESN'T! In fact, it doesn't appear at all at all! Strange but true! So, two more bugs to fix please. Can you please let me have the fixed versions when they have been done. Thank you Roger R.W.DARLINGTON@acoustics.salford.ac.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Mar 27 14:32:02 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA36211 for david ; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:31:59 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 859472199:09:08200:45; Thu, 27 Mar 97 14:16:39 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-11.mail.demon.net id ce1109158; 27 Mar 97 14:16 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:08:07 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Ovation Pro news To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970327.140807.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:07:28 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Ovation Pro Colour Supplement Beebug have announced that a new Colour Supplement providing a colour separations facility will be available for Ovation Pro at the end of April. This capability will allow professional designers to produce output for high quality commercial litho printing. Both spot and process colour separations are supported, with colour correction provided by look-up tables. Separations can be previewed on-screen, and options are provided for setting PostScript screen angles, frequency etc for the document or individual images. The colour supplement also provides useful image processing capabilities. The brightness, contrast and gamma levels of images can be adjusted using sliders, and custom settings defined on the colour map. A duotone option allows colour images to be converted to monochrome, and the two colours used in the monochrome image specified. Unusually, these options can be used with both bit-mapped and vector images, such as Draw and ArtWorks files. The colour supplement will be sent free-of-charge to all customers who have bought Ovation Pro before the end of April. After that, the supplement will be available as an optional extra costing 57.58 (49 + VAT). Latest Developments for April Update The latest improvements made to Ovation Pro for the free update (planned for the end of April), include: Multi-row Button Bar Misspelt Word Highlighting Picture Info Dialogue Box Style palette Colour palette Minor Improvement to Macros and Colour Picker Boxes New Object Shape Interactive Help on Button Bar Buttons End of Introductory Upgrade Offer Beebug have also announced that the introductory upgrade prices are to rise from 1st May. The upgrade from Ovation will rise to 116.33 (99 + VAT). Upgrades from other DTP systems and word processors, including Style and Publisher, will rise to 139.83 (119 + VAT). To upgrade, users need to return the original program disc with payment. Site licence upgrade prices will also rise on the same date. All prices are in pounds sterling and do not include carriage. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd