From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:50:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32499 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:50:56 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612597:5:22715:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:23:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai521605; 30 Jan 97 8:22 GMT From:(John Cartmell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092554.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:55:58 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, glossopdal.derbyshire.ss@connect.bt.com wrote: > New Features? > --------------------- > > image processing (what, DTP and all this too?) ? > automatic paragraph numbering and bulleting (that I would like) beyond unique number applet? > local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) > Details someone please? -- _/_/_/ _/ John Cartmell _/ __/_/ _/_/ _/_/ using Acorn Risc PCs - and StrongARMed _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ UK designed and made - British software _/_/ _/__/ _/ _/ _/ _/ supporting our own; even if it is the best ;-) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32500 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612597:5:22714:51; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:23:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj521605; 30 Jan 97 8:22 GMT From:(Toby Bryans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092626.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:38:10 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ian MacDougall wrote: > No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will > have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define > what style follows a paragraph break. Cor. You must be clairvoyent! This is one feature that I keep on meaning to ask for, but always forget to mention. Is it possible that this feature becomes `more than possible'? I would be most grateful BFN Tobs -- WWW : eMail (Work) : eMail (Play) : From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32502 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612786:5:23459:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:26:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id an521605; 30 Jan 97 8:25 GMT From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092519.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:22:32 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference between > copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies > The _reason_ is that this is the protocol the Style Guide prescribes. The _logic_ escapes me. -- __ Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK /\ \ Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 / /\ \ \ \/ / \ \/ /\ \ mailto:rjet1@cam.ac.uk |_/\_| http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32504 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:47 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612847:5:23703:48; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:27:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ao521605; 30 Jan 97 8:26 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092609.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 20:54:09 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Tom Rank; >local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) The idea of local (i.e. OPro specific) OPI would be that if you had say a 10Mb image, you could keep a small 'proxy' form of it in the document, and the monster file would only get called up into 'virtual' memory at the time of printing. >OLE easily, so I don't need to save both a Tablemate file and the OPro on; >I can easily double click the file out to Tablemate and then save it back >in again. Why doesn't Draw do this properly? One thing which has come to light recently is that OPro's OLE does not work with Draw files which have grid lock enabled - the text (or any text) after the file name in the Draw window title upsets it. Fixed now of course, but something to watch out for. >Incidentally, George Buchanan even showed me how Tablemate supports >exchange of clipboard content with other programs I'm not entirely convinced about this. Maybe if Edit and Draw supported it. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:53 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32505 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:51 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612880:5:23822:67; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:28:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af521605; 30 Jan 97 8:27 GMT From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092657.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 00:49:15 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Hi, guru's Can anyone tell what this means? "OvationPro has suffered a type 5 error and must quit immediately" I've just installed a new hard disc (the old one died :-)) and re-installed as per the instructions and I'm getting this error every time I try to reload an 'old' OPro document :-( I'm also getting strange 'grey' shading in some parts of the page and the text is a mixture of black or white with a grey outline and the words are vertically jagged :-( Not a happy bunny. The version I'm using is 2.36 (dated 30-Sep-96). Cheers Keith -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/ | Physics Teacher struggling with For our latest news, services, prices | both Macs and Pentiums at school! - - 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: (44) 0181-892 9835 - - From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32506 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:54 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612909:5:23909:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:28:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ap521605; 30 Jan 97 8:28 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:32:44 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.093244.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:29:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970129.092657.17@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Can anyone tell what this means? > > "OvationPro has suffered a type 5 error and must quit immediately" > > I've just installed a new hard disc (the old one died :-)) and re-installed as > per the instructions and I'm getting this error every time I try to reload an > 'old' OPro document :-( This could be to do with the size of your undo buffer. If you saved the documents with the undo buffer set to something other than the default size and have re-installed Ovation Pro so that the undo buffer is now set at the default size this problem can occur. To fix it set the undo buffer to the same size as you had it previously. If you cannot remember send us a file and we should be able to tell you what it was. > I'm also getting strange 'grey' shading in some parts of the page and the text > is a mixture of black or white with a grey outline and the words are vertically > jagged :-( Don't know about this one, a sample document perhaps? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32507 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:57 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613093:5:24625:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:31:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ag521605; 30 Jan 97 8:30 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:24:46 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092446.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:38:47 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference > between copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies I'm prone to agree with you, from the single reason that shift-dragging in the *filer* moves files/dirs instead of copying them, and the same approach in O.P. would be more consistent with how the filer works. But it's not too important, since O.P.'s way of doing it easily becomes natural. > At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very > confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same > operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he > fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when > he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without looking!) Er... undo? 8) -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Dolphin Design is StrongARMed | mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | Phone:+47 22 42 97 58 | http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32508 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:01 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613095:6:22318:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:31:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ah521605; 30 Jan 97 8:31 GMT From:(Ariancylch) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:03 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092503.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:54:27 +1300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970121.090303.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference > between copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies Other than this is what Acorn Recommend? > At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very > confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same > operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he > fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when > he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without > looking!) I feel/felt the same way. Last time I had a discussion with someone about it the reasoning "It's simplest to do what is done most commonly" was given. Which seems mildly fair, though I still think it's inconsistent. (Even if the filer sort-of implements things the same way) -- I won't use words again they don't mean what I meant they don't say what I said From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32509 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:04 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613158:6:22505:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:32:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ad521605; 30 Jan 97 8:32 GMT From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092641.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:52:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In the message sent at 12:39pm on Tue, 21 Jan '97, Ian wrote: >> I'm not sure if the 'Scope' setting works as I would hope when I select 'Word' >> when defining a new style. > >No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will >have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define >what style follows a paragraph break, I suppose it would be possible >to extend this to word scope styles. Perhaps it would be easiest to have the option to have word-scope styles either continue until manually toggled off (as currently) or return back to Bodytext or the most recently applied style? I'd guess that this would only need to check for a word end, then lose the word-scope style. Might this even be possible in an applet that watches for word ends? TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32510 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:07 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613158:5:24901:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:32:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ab521605; 30 Jan 97 8:31 GMT From:(Brian Carroll) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092535.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 17:01:26 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Tue 21 Jan 97 (09:03:03 +0000), Ray Dawson wrote: >Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference >between copying text within a document and between documents? > >Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves >Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies And between /filer/ windows it is the latter also. This is something users of the desktop will do almost without thinking, so it should be used for /all/ such moves between windows, as is indeed the case cited by Ray. But it is fundamental to the consistent use of the desktop (or any control system for that matter) that a given action should always do the same thing, so shift-drag should also be used for moving /within/ a document. All IMHO, of course, and despite the Acorn guidance cited by Ian MacD in the next e-mail. Of course, drag moves text within documents in IPub as well, so OPro is in good company :-) AFAIK, in IPub one has to cut and paste to shift text /beween/ documents, so there isn't quite the same danger as in OPro. Brian. Brian. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:48:30 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30909 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:48:28 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852280754:9:04122:45; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:39:14 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aj1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:38 GMT From:(Michael Ben-Gershon) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:13:44 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Applets - How to install?? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111344.31@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Dec 1996 08:55:39 +0200 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > I have downloaded the applet !SuprShft from the beebug web site and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Do you have the URL? Many thanks, Michael Ben-Gershon mybg@netvision.net.il From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:48:32 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30910 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:48:31 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852280784:9:04242:52; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:39:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ak1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:39 GMT From:(Stephen Wright) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:14:11 +0000 Organization: Subject: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111411.47@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 10:57:57 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 When using abbreviations why is the abbreviation not deleted when the expanded version is entered by the applet? (E.G. 'op' becomes 'opOvation Pro' instead of 'Ovation Pro') -- Stephen Wright @ Home From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:40 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30912 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:37 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852280857:9:04631:43; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:40:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id an1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:40 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:13:57 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Non-printing Draw frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111357.48@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:42:02 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961218.103848.57@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > You *must* put a border round the frame you draw on the screen before you print > it, otherwise there's nothing to print. > > All works well then. > But I did have borders! -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:42 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30913 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:41 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852280895:9:04785:43; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:41:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ao1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:41 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:50:25 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.115025.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:23:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970102.111411.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > When using abbreviations why is the abbreviation not deleted when > the expanded version is entered by the applet? (E.G. 'op' becomes > 'opOvation Pro' instead of 'Ovation Pro') Possibly an old version of !Abbrev with a newer version of Ovation Pro (just a guess). -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:44 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30914 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:43 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852280929:9:04933:43; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:42:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id ap1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:42 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:51:06 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Beebug web site To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.115106.77@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:49:09 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970102.111344.31@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Peter Blenkinsop wrote: > > > > I have downloaded the applet !SuprShft from the beebug web site and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Do you have the URL? It's: http://www.beebug.com/ The site is still not finished (groan), but we will add more as soon as we can. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:47 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30915 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:46 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281052:9:05483:43; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:44:12 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id az1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:44 GMT From:(Andy Howell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:14:39 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Can Someone Help? To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111439.35@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 13:41:12 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I finally took the plunge and bought a copy of Ovation a week or so before Christmas, and very impressed I am too. But there are a couple of things I am a little confused about. Firstly, if I add Ovation's path to my boot file (on start-up) for some reason filer-boot does not work. As a result I cannot 'run' an ovation files until the application itself has been run. Any idea wy not? Secondly, I have seen some reference to an Ovation web site. Has anyone got the URL please? -- Andy Howell Birmingham, UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:49 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30916 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:48 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281058:9:05499:44; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:44:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bh1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:43 GMT From:(John Hollier) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:14:25 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro bordering To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111425.36@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 21:20:26 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 To Ian McDougall Date Fri,20 Dec 1996 Subject Re Ovation Pro bordering >> On closing the master document window the file quietly disposed of >> pages 2-8 and these were totally lost as the trim-down was not noticed >> before saving. This trim-down is reliably repeatable. >> Is this a known 'feature'? > Not sure what is occuring here, can you send us a sample document? Ian, David Pilling also asked for sight of the offending document. I tossed a coin and he won (or lost whichever way you see it!) and I've email'd it to him. John Hollier -- John Hollier john@thirteen.demon.co.uk From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:52 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30917 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:50 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281072:9:05566:44; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:44:32 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bb1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:44 GMT From: carl.cepurneek@cc.flinders.edu.au Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:14:53 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro master wishlist / as Noted To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111453.10@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 10:26:05 +0900 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 .... >> - Reflect option (i.e. mirror image) >> - Negative image (i.e. black as white & vice versa) .... >Can everyone assume that I have seen posts like this and noted >the relevant parts, so I can stop replying to them with: .... Would it be useful for there to be say a web page with a list of suggested Ovation Pro features which are 'in the works' or 'maybes' which could be consulted before any further wish list postings? From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:54 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30918 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:53 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281089:9:05702:44; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:44:49 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bi1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:44 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:15:06 +0000 Organization: home Subject: Re: Triangular Endcaps To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111506.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 09:39:34 +0000 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19961218.103816.69@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > 1 - If one adds triangular endcaps to lines, they are stuck on, beyond > the end of the line, which visually, but not logically increases the > line length. Because of this, it is impossible to snap the tip of the > arrow to the grid, or another object; the endcap always dangles over the > edge. > > Is this a bug or a feature? If the latter, what is the object of it? > ArtWorks does it too - and it's a nuisance there as well. -- Peter Bond peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:57 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30919 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:55 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281131:9:05910:45; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:45:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bm1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:45 GMT From:(John Cartmell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:13:30 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111330.09@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 11:01:56 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 20 Dec, David Pilling wrote: in reply to > Tony van der Hoff ; > > >1 - If one adds triangular endcaps to lines, they are stuck on, beyond > >the end of the line, which visually, but not logically increases the > >line length. Because of this, it is impossible to snap the tip of the > >arrow to the grid, or another object; the endcap always dangles over the > >edge. > > > This is the old "lines where nicer in Ovation" point. I agree this is > non-desirable, it's a feature of the way the Draw module renders lines, > and I hope to fix it one day. > If this is a serious possibility I apologise for doubting you elsewhere. So while you're about it can you also fix !Draw ? ;-) -- _/_/_/ _/ John Cartmell _/ __/_/ _/_/ _/_/ using Acorn Risc PCs - and StrongARMed _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ UK designed and made - British software _/_/ _/__/ _/ _/ _/ _/ supporting our own; even if it is the best ;- ) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:50:59 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30920 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:50:58 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281140:9:05966:43; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:45:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bn1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:45 GMT From:(John Hollier) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:15:20 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Tabs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111520.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 17:38:08 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 imac@risc.demon.co.uk (Ian MacDougall) wrote: > >> Can someone please tell me if it is possible to attach tabs to a style >> so that the same set of tabs can be easily applied to a number of >> identical frames. >> The Style editor can 'Use tab ruler' but I find I have to build the >> tabs on each frame individually and master docs wont allow tab >> settings. > You need to click on the Apply ruler option so that it is ticked. Tried that. Doesn't work for me. Create a frame. Create a new style with tabs in that frame. OK so far. Create another new frame. Apply the new style to it....No tabs! Boohoo! But *copy* the first frame and frame 2 has the tabs. It's dark in here. -- John Hollier john@thirteen.demon.co.uk Canterbury Kent UK From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:51:02 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30921 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:51:00 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281159:9:06092:46; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:45:59 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bo1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:45 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:50:39 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro master wishlist / as Noted To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.115039.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:42:21 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970102.111453.10@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > ... > >> - Reflect option (i.e. mirror image) > >> - Negative image (i.e. black as white & vice versa) > ... > >Can everyone assume that I have seen posts like this and noted > >the relevant parts, so I can stop replying to them with: > ... > > Would it be useful for there to be say a web page with a list of suggested > Ovation Pro features which are 'in the works' or 'maybes' which could be > consulted before any further wish list postings? This has been suggested by another user and I will certainly consider doing it. The web site will (hopefully) undergo a revamp this year and if I can do as suggested I will. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:51:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30922 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:51:03 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281208:9:06292:49; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:46:48 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id bp1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:46 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:50:52 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro Tabs To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.115052.73@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:45:48 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970102.111520.73@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > imac@risc.demon.co.uk (Ian MacDougall) wrote: > >> Can someone please tell me if it is possible to attach tabs to a style > >> so that the same set of tabs can be easily applied to a number of > >> identical frames. > > >> The Style editor can 'Use tab ruler' but I find I have to build the > >> tabs on each frame individually and master docs wont allow tab > >> settings. > > > You need to click on the Apply ruler option so that it is ticked. > > Tried that. Doesn't work for me. > > Create a frame. Create a new style with tabs in that frame. OK so far. > > Create another new frame. Apply the new style to it....No tabs! Boohoo! Tried it again and it was OK, can you send me a document showing the two frames with the style created and applied to both, but not working in the second frame? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 3 13:51:07 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA30923 for david ; Fri, 03 Jan 97 13:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852281211:9:06331:43; Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:46:51 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id br1024785; 3 Jan 97 8:46 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 11:13:15 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Ovation Pro wishlist To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970102.111315.74@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 16:44:28 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Fri 20 Dec, Mr K Parker wrote: > On Wed 18 Dec 96 (10:38:37 +0000), ataylor@bvista.demon.co.uk wrote: [ WP priorities? ] > And the pc-card-testers list but ... > > There is no point in a DTP package with Pro in its name if it doesn't do four > colour seps. > > Frankly, I'd rather have four colour seps, imposition and trapping NOW and > forget (for the moment) some of the WP features. > > And I know that'll make some really (un)happy :-) Strange - my belief is that the "pro" features has priority, and this belief is founded on what David P. and Beebug have told me in the past. If "popular pressure" has changed these priorities I'll be *very* dis- appointed. I must profess I don't use Ovation Pro for jobs at all, and can't do so until it has separations (I only play around with O.P. in order to keep my cheer up amid struggling with a badly behaved I.P.). As I've stated before: if it's a bleeding WP you want, go buy a bleeding WP (there's a raft of them available for RISC OS now) and quit yelling for WPifying the only seriously promising page-layout program for RISC OS before the typesetting basics are in place!!! 8# I agree 100% with Keith in case anyone wonders. -- Regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Dolphin Design is StrongARMed | mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | Phone:+47 22 42 97 58 | http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 16:42:26 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31106 for david ; Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:42:22 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852625940:6:15326:53; Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:32:20 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa510751; 7 Jan 97 8:32 GMT From:(Anthony R J Brion) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 08:58:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970106.085826.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 10:54:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 02 Jan, Stephen Wright wrote: > When using abbreviations why is the abbreviation not deleted when > the expanded version is entered by the applet? (E.G. 'op' becomes > 'opOvation Pro' instead of 'Ovation Pro') This happens if you use PC-Style delete. -- ..-------------------. mailto:ovationpro@starfleet.demon.co.uk | Anthony R J Brion | '-------------------' http://www.starfleet.demon.co.uk/ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 16:42:29 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31108 for david ; Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:42:27 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852625954:5:10931:48; Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:32:34 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ab510751; 7 Jan 97 8:32 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:02:03 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Ovation Pro master wishlist / as Noted To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970106.090203.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 09:00:01 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970106.085843.12@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > The other thing along a similar line that I keep wondering about is a > summary of all the hints/tips and fixes that get mentioned here, like > the Font Blending troubles. > Or does this exist somewhere and I've managed to avoid finding out about > it so far? This is definitely planned for the WWW site. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 16:42:34 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31110 for david ; Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:42:32 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852625701:9:07980:48; Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:28:21 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id af1008636; 7 Jan 97 8:27 GMT From:(Anthony R J Brion) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 08:58:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970106.085826.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 10:54:02 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 02 Jan, Stephen Wright wrote: > When using abbreviations why is the abbreviation not deleted when > the expanded version is entered by the applet? (E.G. 'op' becomes > 'opOvation Pro' instead of 'Ovation Pro') This happens if you use PC-Style delete. -- ..-------------------. mailto:ovationpro@starfleet.demon.co.uk | Anthony R J Brion | '-------------------' http://www.starfleet.demon.co.uk/ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 16:42:35 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31109 for david ; Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:42:31 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852626090:5:11420:47; Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:34:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai510751; 7 Jan 97 8:34 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 08:57:55 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970106.085755.20@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 14:32:37 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Stephen Wright >When using abbreviations why is the abbreviation not deleted when >the expanded version is entered by the applet? (E.G. 'op' becomes >'opOvation Pro' instead of 'Ovation Pro') A bug in some versions is that this applet and the ligatures one, only work with PC style delete switched off. Sveinung W. Tengelsen >Strange - my belief is that the "pro" features has priority, and this >belief is founded on what David P. and Beebug have told me in the past. As of now Colour separations are *the* priority. However, every time someone writes in a newsgroup or magazine that they don't need OPro and can manage with a wp, the future balance of features gets nudged. Part of the nature of the Acorn world is that DTP is not recognised as a separate thing from wp, or is not viable in that form. So (and this should please someone) at some stage expect more wp type features. David Pilling -- email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 1LR. UK. From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 16:42:39 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31112 for david ; Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:42:36 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852626109:6:15911:47; Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:35:09 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj510751; 7 Jan 97 8:34 GMT From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 08:58:10 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970106.085810.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 97 09:32:02 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 On Thu 2 Jan 97 (11:50:25 +0000), imac@risc.demon.co.uk wrote: >In message <19970102.111411.47@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: >> When using abbreviations why is the abbreviation not deleted when >> the expanded version is entered by the applet? (E.G. 'op' becomes >> 'opOvation Pro' instead of 'Ovation Pro') >Possibly an old version of !Abbrev with a newer version of Ovation Pro >(just a guess). Nope, a consequence of having the text editing 'PC style delete' turned on, if you turn that feature off the abreviation is deleted when the expansion is inserted. (I'm sure David P. answered this one a while back) If you want the PC style delete feature theres a module called KeyMod which amongst other things does just that. My mailbox says I got it from Tony van der Hoff back in November. Perhaps if Tony reads this he can arrange with Ian to put the module on the Web site? SteveP -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk ZFC - mere 39 soon * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventry Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * 4th and 5th April -lunch and evening sessions- * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 7 16:42:44 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31113 for david ; Tue, 07 Jan 97 16:42:40 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 852626113:5:11508:47; Tue, 07 Jan 97 08:35:13 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ak510751; 7 Jan 97 8:35 GMT From:(Ariancylch) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Mon, 06 Jan 1997 08:58:43 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Ovation Pro master wishlist / as Noted To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970106.085843.12@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 1997 23:21:06 +1300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970102.115039.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Ian MacDougall wrote: > In message <19970102.111453.10@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > > > ... > > > > - Reflect option (i.e. mirror image) - Negative image (i.e. > > > > black as white & vice versa) > > ... > > > Can everyone assume that I have seen posts like this and noted the > > > relevant parts, so I can stop replying to them with: > > ... > > > > Would it be useful for there to be say a web page with a list of > > suggested Ovation Pro features which are 'in the works' or 'maybes' > > which could be consulted before any further wish list postings? > > This has been suggested by another user and I will certainly consider > doing it. The web site will (hopefully) undergo a revamp this year and > if I can do as suggested I will. The other thing along a similar line that I keep wondering about is a summary of all the hints/tips and fixes that get mentioned here, like the Font Blending troubles. Or does this exist somewhere and I've managed to avoid finding out about it so far? -- I won't use words again they don't mean what I meant they don't say what I said From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 15 14:45:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31565 for david ; Wed, 15 Jan 97 14:45:47 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853318550:6:08561:47; Wed, 15 Jan 97 08:55:50 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ad505375; 15 Jan 97 8:55 GMT From:(Bob Howarth) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:23:48 +0000 Organization: Subject: subscribe To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970114.092348.21@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 19:50:18 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R -- Also bob.howarth@geo2.poptel.org.uk .... Get your grubby hands off my tagline! I stole it first! From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 15 14:51:04 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31570 for david ; Wed, 15 Jan 97 14:51:02 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853318977:10:25106:52; Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:02:57 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ac903194; 15 Jan 97 9:02 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:23:01 +0000 Organization: Subject: Extracting text file with returns To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970114.092301.69@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jan 97 13:02:32 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I may not have read the manual closely enough, but is there a way of extrac= ting plain text from an OP document *with* returns? The =91save-as' box in IP has the choice of saving text with Returns, Line = feeds and Styles, or any combination thereof. I need to save documents into a text archive which has returns in the appro= priate places. Any comments? -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=3D323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 15 14:51:07 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31571 for david ; Wed, 15 Jan 97 14:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853319125:9:04174:49; Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:05:25 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id af903194; 15 Jan 97 9:04 GMT From:(Mr S Pampling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:23:16 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Abbreviations Applet To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970114.092316.52@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Jan 97 00:26:54 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Mon 6 Jan 97 (08:57:55 +0000), David Pilling wrote: >As of now Colour separations are *the* priority. Over and above getting dropcaps to align properly vertically David? or does my copy have something wrongly setup? >However, every time >someone writes in a newsgroup or magazine that they don't need OPro and >can manage with a wp, the future balance of features gets nudged. Ignore the ignorant gits, stay on target: tidy up bugs in the existing and add the colour seps ( I dont use em but....) and the imposition stuff and we'll keep you informed of the other wishes. > Part of the nature of the Acorn world is that DTP is not recognised as a > separate thing from wp, or is not viable in that form. So (and this should > please someone) at some stage expect more wp type features. WP - text with bold, italic and underlines anything else is wp stealing from dtp, in however small a way. Plain statement: you're doing a fine job, keep going. Keep an eye on the mailing list for ideas, no more, no less. SteveP >David Pilling > >-- >email: david@pilling.demon.co.uk > web: http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/pilling > web: http://www.pilling.demon.co.uk > post: David Pilling, P.O. Box 22, Thornton Cleveleys, Blackpool. FY5 >1LR. UK. > > > > -- steve.pampling@argonet.co.uk ZFC - mere 39 soon * Campaign for Real Ale, Warwickshire Area Organiser * * Preparing Coventry Beer Festival 1997 'Beer on the Cut' * * 4th and 5th April -lunch and evening sessions- * * - breweries near canals etc - Come along for a wet * From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 15 14:51:10 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31572 for david ; Wed, 15 Jan 97 14:51:08 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853319188:9:04723:54; Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:06:28 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ah903194; 15 Jan 97 9:06 GMT From:(Mr K Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:23:32 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Non-printing Draw frames To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970114.092332.04@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 23:27:01 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Wed 18 Dec 96 (10:39:00 +0000), david@pilling.demon.co.uk wrote: : >X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 : > : > : >Peter Bond; : > : >>Fine, except that the paper was blank! : > : >I think the following reply bears repeating in the light of recent : >questions. : > : >Perhaps I should put it this way - what follows is a bug fix, if you : >have : >SA, use Acorn printer drivers, have an early copy of OPro 2.36, and : >don't : >follow the intstructions below, sooner or later you'll end up with : >non-printer rendering Draw files. : > : >Later shipped copies of OPro have been adjusted to fix things. : > : > : >And I quote... : > : >RISC OS 3.70 - as with the Strong ARM, supports antialiasing of text on : >non : >solid background colours. So if you have RISC OS 3.70 we enable that : >feature. Problem seems to be that the Acorn printer drivers, don't : >realise that : >they should not do this. : > : >If you have, say CC Laser direct, or don't have 3.70, then none of this : >matters. Otherwise, these are the solutions. : > : >(1) The official fix. Load !OvnPro.AutoRun.!Custom into Edit. Remove : >these two lines; : > : > fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); : > pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); : > : >Resave and rerun OPro. : > : > : >(2) The high risk fix. Put the following file in !OvnPro.Library (type : >B24) : > : >--------------------------------------8<------------------------------- : >------- : > : >//->!Customfix : > : > : >void customprintfix(int fontbits, int file) : >{ : > fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); : > pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); : >} : > : > : >void main(void) : >{ : > string s; : > int fontbits; : > int EVENT_PRSTART = 0x10c; : > int EVENT_PREND = 0x10d; : > : > : > s="RMEnsure FontManager 3.35 Error 0"; : > fontbits=(osclis(s)==0); : > : > fontsetup(fontbits,0,0,0); : > pixsetup(fontbits,0x2,0,0); : > : > addeventhandler(EVENT_PRSTART, 0, "customprintfix"); : > addeventhandler(EVENT_PREND, fontbits, "customprintfix"); : >} : > : > : >---------------------------------------8<------------------------------ : >----------- : > : >(1) switches off the feature permanently. (2) merely disables it whilst : >printing is going on. You might get some untidy redraws on screen : >during : >printing, but not too bad in general. : > : > : > : >David Pilling : > : > : > : > : -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - +A full range of services at competitive prices using a 200Mhz Acorn RiscPC+ keithp@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/index.html 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: 0181-892 9835 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Wed Jan 15 14:51:13 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31573 for david ; Wed, 15 Jan 97 14:51:11 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853319923:10:28803:48; Wed, 15 Jan 97 09:18:43 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ad903194; 15 Jan 97 9:03 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:32:00 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Extracting text file with returns To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970114.093200.60@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 09:29:08 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970114.092301.69@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I may not have read the manual closely enough, but is there a way of extrac= > ting plain text from an OP document *with* returns? > > The =91save-as' box in IP has the choice of saving text with Returns, Line = > feeds and Styles, or any combination thereof. > > I need to save documents into a text archive which has returns in the appro= > priate places. There is no way to do this built-in to the program. However it would be possible to write an applet to do this, perhaps some kind soul will volunteer? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 14:17:05 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31898 for david ; Tue, 21 Jan 97 14:17:04 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853838417:10:28457:50; Tue, 21 Jan 97 09:20:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id af928601; 21 Jan 97 9:19 GMT From:(Ray Dawson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:03:03 +0000 Organization: Subject: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970121.090303.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 11:44:32 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference between copying text within a document and between documents? Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without looking!) Cheers, Ray Dawson -- ..===================================. | M a g R a y Document Services | Ray Dawson Tel: 0181 864 7208 | the print and braille specialists | rayd@argonet.co.uk '===================================' http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/rayd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 14:17:08 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31899 for david ; Tue, 21 Jan 97 14:17:06 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853838551:9:02538:48; Tue, 21 Jan 97 09:22:31 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id aa928601; 21 Jan 97 9:21 GMT From:( Dr A G Gray) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:03:18 +0000 Organization: Subject: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970121.090318.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Jan 97 13:09:11 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 I'm not sure if the 'Scope' setting works as I would hope when I select 'Word' when defining a new style. I set up a style (with a short-cut defined) which includes, in the 'Scope' menu, 'Word' ticked. Now I *hoped* that this would mean I could enter the short-cut at the keyboard, type a word, which comes up in the style I had defined, then which signals the end of the word (and the style), so that the next word typed comes up in the previous (Bodytext) style. It does not, but persists in the new style until the short-cut is entered again. (ie it can be toggled) The system works correctly if I place the cursor in a word and enter the short-cut: *that word* only has its style changed. Have I misunderstood the style definition procedure? -- Alan.Gray@argonet.co.uk Dr A.G.Gray. Great Warley, Essex. UK http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/alan.gray N 51 33'58" E 00 17'35" G3XQU (DXCC=323/328) Acorn RiscPC S/A 202MHz From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 14:17:12 1997 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31900 for david ; Tue, 21 Jan 97 14:17:09 GMT Received: from relay-9.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853838624:9:02858:48; Tue, 21 Jan 97 09:23:44 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-9.mail.demon.net id ah928601; 21 Jan 97 9:23 GMT From: glossopdal.derbyshire.ss@connect.bt.com Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:03:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970121.090335.06@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: 19 Jan 97 19:26:40 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R New Features? --------------------- I'm afraid that I didn't make it to the Beebug stall at BETT this year. Only when I got home and read the stuff they thrust into your hand as you walk in (which there's never time to read if you have things to see) did I realise there were goodies apparently on the stall! I though that this mailing list was keeping me in touch but either the items mentioned were in the mail that went into the black hole when my StrongARM and PC card fell out (no one mentioned that I needed to update to PC Pro until later!!) - or they were a secret! So, are the following now available and if so, can you tell us how to obtain them (I quote from the BETT "Show Preview"): image processing (what, DTP and all this too?) automatic paragraph numbering and bulleting (that I would like) local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) I think I'd better book the Wakefield Show in my Psion and make sure I call at your stall. RTF Import ---------------- Incidentally, that brings me back to a problem with RTF which I have mentioned before, the loss of some words if I import Psion Word files via the A-Link. My BETT Report suffered the same fate - the first word of some paragraphs was missing. In addition, it is difficult to find a smooth way of importing the RTF file so that the OPro document was in my chosen style. Firstly, if I tell the A-Link window that I want to save the file as RTF, RISC OS seems to regard it as a DOS file and OPro treasts it as such, resulting in all the codes and stuff and no rich text. So I need to do this: Set the Word file type in the A-Link window to RTF Drag the file to a directory (eg RAM disk) Set the file type to RTF via the RISC OS filer Drag the file into OPro I still don't find that the new document picks up the styles I've set, even if I set the choices to de-select "rename styles" and I set up a stylesheet with styles bearing the same names as my Word file (eg "Body Text" as well as OPro's default "BodyText"). To get this to work properly I also need to: Drag the RTF file into OPro as above (document A- this creates the Word styles in the document, such as Body Text, Header A, etc) Open a new document with the Styelsheet which contains styles to match my RTF file (document B) Copy the text across from the original dcoument (A) into the new one (B) - cut & paste or drag & drop. This retains the style information but forces the imported text to adopt the styles of my OPro stylesheet in document B So I finally have what I want - but it's a long way round and I still have to drag a text file version across, or check on my Psion, to resore the missing words. Have I missed something? Other desirable item - RTF export - but I'd better get the import right, I guess! OLE & Tablemate ------------------------ One of the reasons I didn't reach Beebug at BETT was that almost the first stall was Dalriada's and I wanted to look at Tablemate Designer, having bought Tablemate 3 and been very pleased with it. I have in the past written to Ian McDougall about the value of table creation - and I still thing it's useful - but the Tablemate range goes a long way to provididng this. Further, it supports OLE easily, so I don't need to save both a Tablemate file and the OPro on; I can easily double click the file out to Tablemate and then save it back in again. Why doesn't Draw do this properly? Incidentally, George Buchanan even showed me how Tablemate supports exchange of clipboard content with other programs, so that you can copy or cut text from Impression and paste it into Tablemate. This is a small but smart touch, though OPro doesn't support this - something else for David Pilling's wish list, perhaps? Best wishes Tom Rank From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 16:07:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31905 for david ; Tue, 21 Jan 97 16:07:05 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853861755:6:15122:49; Tue, 21 Jan 97 15:49:15 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ac521117; 21 Jan 97 15:48 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:38:46 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970121.123846.80@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:23:18 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970121.090303.64@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference between > copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies This follows the guidelines layed down by Acorn. I believe that the default i.e. what drag does, maps to what they believe most people would want to do move with and copy between. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 16:07:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31906 for david ; Tue, 21 Jan 97 16:07:08 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853861776:5:22124:50; Tue, 21 Jan 97 15:49:36 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af521117; 21 Jan 97 15:49 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:39:01 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970121.123901.85@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:28:44 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970121.090318.80@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > I'm not sure if the 'Scope' setting works as I would hope when I select 'Word' > when defining a new style. > > I set up a style (with a short-cut defined) which includes, in the 'Scope' > menu, 'Word' ticked. > > Now I *hoped* that this would mean I could enter the short-cut at the keyboard, > type a word, which comes up in the style I had defined, then which > signals the end of the word (and the style), so that the next word typed comes > up in the previous (Bodytext) style. > > It does not, but persists in the new style until the short-cut is entered > again. (ie it can be toggled) > > The system works correctly if I place the cursor in a word and enter the > short-cut: *that word* only has its style changed. > > Have I misunderstood the style definition procedure? > No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define what style follows a paragraph break, I suppose it would be possible to extend this to word scope styles. -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Tue Jan 21 16:07:12 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA31907 for david ; Tue, 21 Jan 97 16:07:10 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 853861818:5:22333:47; Tue, 21 Jan 97 15:50:18 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ah521117; 21 Jan 97 15:49 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:39:16 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970121.123916.38@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:30:46 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 In message <19970121.090335.06@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > So, are the following now available and if so, can you tell us how to obtain > them (I quote from the BETT "Show Preview"): > > image processing (what, DTP and all this too?) > automatic paragraph numbering and bulleting (that I would like) > local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) No not yet. > RTF Import > ---------------- > > Incidentally, that brings me back to a problem with RTF which > I have mentioned before, the loss of some words if I import Psion Word files > via the A-Link. My BETT Report suffered the same fate - the first word of > some paragraphs was missing. > > In addition, it is difficult to find a smooth way of importing the RTF > file so that the OPro document was in my chosen style. Firstly, if I tell > the A-Link window that I want to save the file as RTF, RISC OS seems to > regard it as a DOS file and OPro treasts it as such, resulting in all the > codes and stuff and no rich text. So I need to do this: > > Set the Word file type in the A-Link window to RTF > Drag the file to a directory (eg RAM disk) > Set the file type to RTF via the RISC OS filer > Drag the file into OPro This appears to be an A-link issue. > I still don't find that the new document picks up the styles I've set, even > if I set the choices to de-select "rename styles" and I set up a stylesheet > with styles bearing the same names as my Word file (eg "Body Text" as well > as OPro's default "BodyText"). To get this to work properly I also need to: > > Drag the RTF file into OPro as above (document A- this creates the Word > styles in the document, such as Body Text, Header A, etc) > Open a new document with the Styelsheet which contains styles to match my > RTF file (document B) > Copy the text across from the original dcoument (A) into the new one (B) - > cut & paste or drag & drop. The missing word thing appears to be a problem with the RTF filter that I believe is being fixed. Can you send a sample file to show how the mapping of styles is not working? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:50:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32499 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:50:56 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612597:5:22715:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:23:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai521605; 30 Jan 97 8:22 GMT From:(John Cartmell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092554.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:55:58 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, glossopdal.derbyshire.ss@connect.bt.com wrote: > New Features? > --------------------- > > image processing (what, DTP and all this too?) ? > automatic paragraph numbering and bulleting (that I would like) beyond unique number applet? > local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) > Details someone please? -- _/_/_/ _/ John Cartmell _/ __/_/ _/_/ _/_/ using Acorn Risc PCs - and StrongARMed _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ UK designed and made - British software _/_/ _/__/ _/ _/ _/ _/ supporting our own; even if it is the best ;-) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32500 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612597:5:22714:51; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:23:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj521605; 30 Jan 97 8:22 GMT From:(Toby Bryans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092626.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:38:10 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ian MacDougall wrote: > No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will > have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define > what style follows a paragraph break. Cor. You must be clairvoyent! This is one feature that I keep on meaning to ask for, but always forget to mention. Is it possible that this feature becomes `more than possible'? I would be most grateful BFN Tobs -- WWW : eMail (Work) : eMail (Play) : From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32502 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612786:5:23459:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:26:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id an521605; 30 Jan 97 8:25 GMT From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092519.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:22:32 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference between > copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies > The _reason_ is that this is the protocol the Style Guide prescribes. The _logic_ escapes me. -- __ Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK /\ \ Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 / /\ \ \ \/ / \ \/ /\ \ mailto:rjet1@cam.ac.uk |_/\_| http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32504 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:47 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612847:5:23703:48; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:27:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ao521605; 30 Jan 97 8:26 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092609.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 20:54:09 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Tom Rank; >local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) The idea of local (i.e. OPro specific) OPI would be that if you had say a 10Mb image, you could keep a small 'proxy' form of it in the document, and the monster file would only get called up into 'virtual' memory at the time of printing. >OLE easily, so I don't need to save both a Tablemate file and the OPro on; >I can easily double click the file out to Tablemate and then save it back >in again. Why doesn't Draw do this properly? One thing which has come to light recently is that OPro's OLE does not work with Draw files which have grid lock enabled - the text (or any text) after the file name in the Draw window title upsets it. Fixed now of course, but something to watch out for. >Incidentally, George Buchanan even showed me how Tablemate supports >exchange of clipboard content with other programs I'm not entirely convinced about this. Maybe if Edit and Draw supported it. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:53 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32505 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:51 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612880:5:23822:67; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:28:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af521605; 30 Jan 97 8:27 GMT From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092657.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 00:49:15 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Hi, guru's Can anyone tell what this means? "OvationPro has suffered a type 5 error and must quit immediately" I've just installed a new hard disc (the old one died :-)) and re-installed as per the instructions and I'm getting this error every time I try to reload an 'old' OPro document :-( I'm also getting strange 'grey' shading in some parts of the page and the text is a mixture of black or white with a grey outline and the words are vertically jagged :-( Not a happy bunny. The version I'm using is 2.36 (dated 30-Sep-96). Cheers Keith -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/ | Physics Teacher struggling with For our latest news, services, prices | both Macs and Pentiums at school! - - 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: (44) 0181-892 9835 - - From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32506 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:54 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612909:5:23909:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:28:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ap521605; 30 Jan 97 8:28 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:32:44 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.093244.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:29:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970129.092657.17@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Can anyone tell what this means? > > "OvationPro has suffered a type 5 error and must quit immediately" > > I've just installed a new hard disc (the old one died :-)) and re-installed as > per the instructions and I'm getting this error every time I try to reload an > 'old' OPro document :-( This could be to do with the size of your undo buffer. If you saved the documents with the undo buffer set to something other than the default size and have re-installed Ovation Pro so that the undo buffer is now set at the default size this problem can occur. To fix it set the undo buffer to the same size as you had it previously. If you cannot remember send us a file and we should be able to tell you what it was. > I'm also getting strange 'grey' shading in some parts of the page and the text > is a mixture of black or white with a grey outline and the words are vertically > jagged :-( Don't know about this one, a sample document perhaps? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32507 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:57 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613093:5:24625:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:31:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ag521605; 30 Jan 97 8:30 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:24:46 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092446.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:38:47 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference > between copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies I'm prone to agree with you, from the single reason that shift-dragging in the *filer* moves files/dirs instead of copying them, and the same approach in O.P. would be more consistent with how the filer works. But it's not too important, since O.P.'s way of doing it easily becomes natural. > At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very > confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same > operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he > fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when > he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without looking!) Er... undo? 8) -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Dolphin Design is StrongARMed | mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | Phone:+47 22 42 97 58 | http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32508 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:01 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613095:6:22318:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:31:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ah521605; 30 Jan 97 8:31 GMT From:(Ariancylch) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:03 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092503.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:54:27 +1300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970121.090303.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference > between copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies Other than this is what Acorn Recommend? > At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very > confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same > operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he > fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when > he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without > looking!) I feel/felt the same way. Last time I had a discussion with someone about it the reasoning "It's simplest to do what is done most commonly" was given. Which seems mildly fair, though I still think it's inconsistent. (Even if the filer sort-of implements things the same way) -- I won't use words again they don't mean what I meant they don't say what I said From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32509 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:04 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613158:6:22505:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:32:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ad521605; 30 Jan 97 8:32 GMT From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092641.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:52:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In the message sent at 12:39pm on Tue, 21 Jan '97, Ian wrote: >> I'm not sure if the 'Scope' setting works as I would hope when I select 'Word' >> when defining a new style. > >No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will >have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define >what style follows a paragraph break, I suppose it would be possible >to extend this to word scope styles. Perhaps it would be easiest to have the option to have word-scope styles either continue until manually toggled off (as currently) or return back to Bodytext or the most recently applied style? I'd guess that this would only need to check for a word end, then lose the word-scope style. Might this even be possible in an applet that watches for word ends? TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32510 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:07 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613158:5:24901:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:32:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ab521605; 30 Jan 97 8:31 GMT From:(Brian Carroll) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092535.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 17:01:26 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan 97 (09:03:03 +0000), Ray Dawson wrote: >Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference >between copying text within a document and between documents? > >Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves >Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies And between /filer/ windows it is the latter also. This is something users of the desktop will do almost without thinking, so it should be used for /all/ such moves between windows, as is indeed the case cited by Ray. But it is fundamental to the consistent use of the desktop (or any control system for that matter) that a given action should always do the same thing, so shift-drag should also be used for moving /within/ a document. All IMHO, of course, and despite the Acorn guidance cited by Ian MacD in the next e-mail. Of course, drag moves text within documents in IPub as well, so OPro is in good company :-) AFAIK, in IPub one has to cut and paste to shift text /beween/ documents, so there isn't quite the same danger as in OPro. Brian. Brian. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:50:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32499 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:50:56 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612597:5:22715:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:23:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai521605; 30 Jan 97 8:22 GMT From:(John Cartmell) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:54 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092554.58@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:55:58 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, glossopdal.derbyshire.ss@connect.bt.com wrote: > New Features? > --------------------- > > image processing (what, DTP and all this too?) ? > automatic paragraph numbering and bulleting (that I would like) beyond unique number applet? > local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) > Details someone please? -- _/_/_/ _/ John Cartmell _/ __/_/ _/_/ _/_/ using Acorn Risc PCs - and StrongARMed _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ UK designed and made - British software _/_/ _/__/ _/ _/ _/ _/ supporting our own; even if it is the best ;-) From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32500 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:05 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612597:5:22714:51; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:23:17 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aj521605; 30 Jan 97 8:22 GMT From:(Toby Bryans) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:26 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092626.57@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:38:10 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ian MacDougall wrote: > No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will > have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define > what style follows a paragraph break. Cor. You must be clairvoyent! This is one feature that I keep on meaning to ask for, but always forget to mention. Is it possible that this feature becomes `more than possible'? I would be most grateful BFN Tobs -- WWW : eMail (Work) : eMail (Play) : From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:23 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32502 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:19 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612786:5:23459:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:26:26 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id an521605; 30 Jan 97 8:25 GMT From:(Rupert Thompson) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:19 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092519.97@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 15:22:32 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference between > copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies > The _reason_ is that this is the protocol the Style Guide prescribes. The _logic_ escapes me. -- __ Rupert Thompson Queens' College, Cambridge, CB3 9ET, UK /\ \ Tel.: 01223-331943 / 0402-130221 / /\ \ \ \/ / \ \/ /\ \ mailto:rjet1@cam.ac.uk |_/\_| http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/4423 From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:49 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32504 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:47 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612847:5:23703:48; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:27:27 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ao521605; 30 Jan 97 8:26 GMT From:(David Pilling) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: New features? and RTF import To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092609.76@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 20:54:09 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R X-Mailer: ArcBM 1.11 Tom Rank; >local OPI (er, what's that? the same as PCA?) The idea of local (i.e. OPro specific) OPI would be that if you had say a 10Mb image, you could keep a small 'proxy' form of it in the document, and the monster file would only get called up into 'virtual' memory at the time of printing. >OLE easily, so I don't need to save both a Tablemate file and the OPro on; >I can easily double click the file out to Tablemate and then save it back >in again. Why doesn't Draw do this properly? One thing which has come to light recently is that OPro's OLE does not work with Draw files which have grid lock enabled - the text (or any text) after the file name in the Draw window title upsets it. Fixed now of course, but something to watch out for. >Incidentally, George Buchanan even showed me how Tablemate supports >exchange of clipboard content with other programs I'm not entirely convinced about this. Maybe if Edit and Draw supported it. David Pilling From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:53 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32505 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:51 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612880:5:23822:67; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:28:00 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id af521605; 30 Jan 97 8:27 GMT From:(Keith Parker) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:57 +0000 Organization: Subject: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092657.17@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 00:49:15 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R Hi, guru's Can anyone tell what this means? "OvationPro has suffered a type 5 error and must quit immediately" I've just installed a new hard disc (the old one died :-)) and re-installed as per the instructions and I'm getting this error every time I try to reload an 'old' OPro document :-( I'm also getting strange 'grey' shading in some parts of the page and the text is a mixture of black or white with a grey outline and the words are vertically jagged :-( Not a happy bunny. The version I'm using is 2.36 (dated 30-Sep-96). Cheers Keith -- - - - - - - - - - Keith Parker = Print and Design Services - - - - - - - - - keithp@argonet.co.uk | suep@argonet.co.uk http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/keithp/ | Physics Teacher struggling with For our latest news, services, prices | both Macs and Pentiums at school! - - 33 Fieldend, Twickenham, Middlesex, TW1 4TG. Tel: (44) 0181-892 9835 - - From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:56 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32506 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:54 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854612909:5:23909:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:28:29 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ap521605; 30 Jan 97 8:28 GMT From:(Ian MacDougall) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:32:44 +0000 Organization: Beebug Ltd Subject: Re: Errors To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.093244.26@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:29:12 +0100 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970129.092657.17@risc.demon.co.uk> you wrote: > Can anyone tell what this means? > > "OvationPro has suffered a type 5 error and must quit immediately" > > I've just installed a new hard disc (the old one died :-)) and re-installed as > per the instructions and I'm getting this error every time I try to reload an > 'old' OPro document :-( This could be to do with the size of your undo buffer. If you saved the documents with the undo buffer set to something other than the default size and have re-installed Ovation Pro so that the undo buffer is now set at the default size this problem can occur. To fix it set the undo buffer to the same size as you had it previously. If you cannot remember send us a file and we should be able to tell you what it was. > I'm also getting strange 'grey' shading in some parts of the page and the text > is a mixture of black or white with a grey outline and the words are vertically > jagged :-( Don't know about this one, a sample document perhaps? -- Ian MacDougall Beebug Ltd From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:51:59 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32507 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:51:57 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613093:5:24625:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:31:33 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ag521605; 30 Jan 97 8:30 GMT From:("Sveinung W. Tengelsen") Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:24:46 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092446.22@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:38:47 +0100 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan, Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference > between copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies I'm prone to agree with you, from the single reason that shift-dragging in the *filer* moves files/dirs instead of copying them, and the same approach in O.P. would be more consistent with how the filer works. But it's not too important, since O.P.'s way of doing it easily becomes natural. > At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very > confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same > operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he > fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when > he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without looking!) Er... undo? 8) -- Best regards, Sveinung W. Tengelsen a.k.a. pixeleyes ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Dolphin Design is StrongARMed | mailto:pixeleye@sn.no | Phone:+47 22 42 97 58 | http://www.sn.no/~pixeleye/Index.htm From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:02 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32508 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:01 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613095:6:22318:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:31:35 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ah521605; 30 Jan 97 8:31 GMT From:(Ariancylch) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:03 +0000 Organization: Lylmik Supervisory body Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092503.19@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 00:54:27 +1300 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In message <19970121.090303.64@risc.demon.co.uk> Ray Dawson wrote: > Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference > between copying text within a document and between documents? > > Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves > Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies Other than this is what Acorn Recommend? > At least, that is the way it is on my version 2.36. I find it very > confusing having different ways of doing what is effectively the same > operation, so I presume there must be a good reason for it. (says he > fuming after removing a lot of text from one document to another when > he thought he was copying, and then saving the documents without > looking!) I feel/felt the same way. Last time I had a discussion with someone about it the reasoning "It's simplest to do what is done most commonly" was given. Which seems mildly fair, though I still think it's inconsistent. (Even if the filer sort-of implements things the same way) -- I won't use words again they don't mean what I meant they don't say what I said From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:06 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32509 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:04 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613158:6:22505:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:32:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ad521605; 30 Jan 97 8:32 GMT From:(Nick Kaijaks) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:26:41 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: 'Scope' in text styles set to 'Word' To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092641.33@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 12:52:47 GMT X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R In the message sent at 12:39pm on Tue, 21 Jan '97, Ian wrote: >> I'm not sure if the 'Scope' setting works as I would hope when I select 'Word' >> when defining a new style. > >No this is how this works. It is possible that future versions will >have a feature added to paragraph style that allows users to define >what style follows a paragraph break, I suppose it would be possible >to extend this to word scope styles. Perhaps it would be easiest to have the option to have word-scope styles either continue until manually toggled off (as currently) or return back to Bodytext or the most recently applied style? I'd guess that this would only need to check for a word end, then lose the word-scope style. Might this even be possible in an applet that watches for word ends? TTFN, Nick -- Nick Kaijaks, PhD Physics Student, University of Warwick, Coventry CV4 7AL, UK WWW: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~phrvn/ Music: http://www.warwick.ac.uk/~music/ mailto:Nick.Kaijaks@warwick.ac.uk Disclaimer: caveat internettor From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 30 13:52:09 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32510 for david ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 13:52:07 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854613158:5:24901:47; Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:32:38 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ab521605; 30 Jan 97 8:31 GMT From:(Brian Carroll) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:25:35 +0000 Organization: Subject: Re: Copying text differences To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970129.092535.01@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 17:01:26 X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R On Tue 21 Jan 97 (09:03:03 +0000), Ray Dawson wrote: >Could somebody explain the logic, or the reason, behind the difference >between copying text within a document and between documents? > >Within a document, shift-drag copies and drag moves >Between documents, shift-drag moves and drag copies And between /filer/ windows it is the latter also. This is something users of the desktop will do almost without thinking, so it should be used for /all/ such moves between windows, as is indeed the case cited by Ray. But it is fundamental to the consistent use of the desktop (or any control system for that matter) that a given action should always do the same thing, so shift-drag should also be used for moving /within/ a document. All IMHO, of course, and despite the Acorn guidance cited by Ian MacD in the next e-mail. Of course, drag moves text within documents in IPub as well, so OPro is in good company :-) AFAIK, in IPub one has to cut and paste to shift text /beween/ documents, so there isn't quite the same danger as in OPro. Brian. Brian. -- ________________________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire bric@argonet.co.uk ________________________________________________________________________ From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 31 13:44:05 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32581 for david ; Fri, 31 Jan 97 13:44:03 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854699800:5:21551:60; Fri, 31 Jan 97 08:36:40 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ad520952; 31 Jan 97 8:36 GMT From:(David Allen) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:29:24 +0000 Organization: Subject: Mail-merge and background printing To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970131.082924.79@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:10:38 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R It is such an obvious problem that I am sure it has been picked up already, but when I tried mail merge for the first time this evening, using 'Background Printing' with Printers 1.54 caused only the last letter in the batch to be printed. The feature needs to be switched off, which then means that printing out a long batch takes over the whole computer for some considerable time. -- David Allen From maillist@risc.demon.co.uk Fri Jan 31 13:44:07 1997 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by pilling.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA32582 for david ; Fri, 31 Jan 97 13:44:06 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for david@pilling.demon.co.uk id 854699888:6:22672:48; Fri, 31 Jan 97 08:38:08 GMT Received: from risc.demon.co.uk ([158.152.18.44]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id ai520952; 31 Jan 97 8:37 GMT From:(Peter Bond) Sender: root@risc.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:29:09 +0000 Organization: Subject: Style sheets and linking To: Subscribers to the mailing-list OVATIONP-L Reply-To: ovationp-l@risc.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <19970131.082909.61@risc.demon.co.uk> Precedence: bulk X-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:25:01 +0000 (GMT) X-MailList: MailList v0.16 the mailing-list robot for RiscOS X-Apparently-From: X-Posting-Agent: RISC OS Newsbase 0.56 Status: R I have created a faily long document - a manual actually - from an Impression original. Because I wanted to make various changes as I went, I didn't try importing the DDFs but did it 'the hard way', and have now tried a little experiment: The master pages were a facing pair of A5s with header and footer frames, they show as properly linked. I saved the style sheet from the 'finished' doc, and then tried importing the DDF, chapter by chapter - except I didn't get past the first one. The first chapter occupies at least two pages (maybe more until I cut back the font size); it copies nicely into page 1 which shows the overflow arrow. There is an empty page 2. Picking the Link tool shows no linking arrows. If I then go to the master page I see the two pages as expected and the Link tool shows the linking arrows. I have tried other, much longer, chapters and they show identical behaviour - the one overflowing page and just one following empty page. Any ideas? -- Peter Bond mailto:peter@sdale1.demon.co.uk Silverdale, Lancashire